td2-build-advice

[normal shadow]

Understandable. Have you tried working on those aggressive skills in solo? Then you could shine in group settings as you could play multiple roles.

[smoky latch]

DPS is best, just use cover

[soft crane]

Billions must run 6 Red Cores now!!!

[true spoke]

hi, i am currently looking for the strongest rifle build. No oneshot-builds please. I want to play it instead of striker/TS. I know it will not make the same damage even close. But because of this, it should make as much damage as possible with a rifle in realistic combat scenarios. I like to play with cover and long to mid ranges.

[soft crane]

Attaboy

Rifle definitely dont fit for Striker build cuh

[solar token]

You have to gamble to get the rolls you want for the investor right? There’s no special treatment for it?

[flint arch]

gotta invest to be an investor

[solar token]

True

[untold fulcrum]

Do I learn how to reroll it when I destory it?

[flint arch]

also yeah it's a really massive unicorn, the only benefit over the usual unicorns is that you can reroll it as quickly as you can get exos

wait nvm you can just craft the others

yeah it's just more painful in every aspect

[solar token]

(1/3)(1/12)(1/11)*(1/10) = 0.000253. How lucky are we feeling today chat

[viscid plaza]

OD backpack worth it?

[soft crane]

nope

[viscid plaza]

Took me at least 80 rolls for an armor core and all red attribute investor, cant imagine all red

[flint arch]

if you go full red, you will spend 100+ exo comps just to be worse than coyote's

[viscid plaza]

If someone else is running Coyote?

[flint arch]

even a grupo mask will beat it because you can combine the brand set and a CHD mod

[solar token]

I think running coyote and throwing a crit damage mod on it will give you a better crit piece unless you get insanely lucky

[viscid plaza]

but its 30% added CHD

grupo mask ur getting 25%

not to mention the crit dmg from the investor mask roll

[flint arch]

grupo 1pc gives you 13% CHD. combined with CHD stat and mod, 13+12+12 = 37

oh wait goddammit

okay a grupo mask doesn't beat it

[viscid plaza]

I don't think any one piece beats it for CHD added

well Coyote can get to 37, but its conditional

nearly 50% with mod

[flint arch]

the 2nd problem with investor is that adding more CHD will lead to diminishing returns

[viscid plaza]

Can you explain that, genuine question

[flint arch]

getting like an additional 30% CHD on top of like 120% or something is not as significant as something like overdogs which is a separate 30% multiplier

[soft crane]

Better to look at.

[lament reef]

Actual diminishing returns or comparative dps loss to tinkerer’s/overdogs?

[viscid plaza]

Rav is my favorite tank buster, w build

[lament reef]

oh

[soft crane]

ikr, melt heavies alike

[neon gorge]

what are some shotgun builds? ı have been wanting to give those a try

[soft crane]

something-something Hunter's Fury

[versed summit]

There's always diminishing returns adding a more to the same stat, there's just a point where it gets more and more noticeable.

[soft crane]

I dont have it so idk, sorry.

[flint arch]

it's generally better to diversify your damage buckets than to dump it all in just one

[viscid plaza]

Mind melded, I thought of this yesterday. Wouldn't the standard adrenaline rush, intimidate combo work?

Brazen on the shotgun

[lament reef]

random thought: how does the explosion from ruthless/merciless work on chungus enemies? like grenades or like crossbow?

[lone glacier]

I just saw this abomination...

I need alcohol

[dawn perch]

until you get swarmed with drones when don't bring emps lmao.

[neon gorge]

ı am not good enough of a player to make builds in my head ı am sorry ı don't know what those talents do

[inland hound]

i saw this but random pieces of proto in every slot with NB 👁️ 👄 👁️

[flint arch]

just don't get swarmed in the first place loser /j

[true spoke]

i see not. You lose many multiplicate damage against additive damage with this. And really underdogs is not realistic at all. You can solo and in group or raid not kill enemies with ranks. You kill them with threat to you and availability (in cover, free shooting view, etc).

[viscid plaza]

Adrenaline Rush gives bonus armor based on how many enemies are within (I think 15M)
Intimidate amps ur dmg based on bonus armor

[dawn perch]

sorry what is the purpose of that build lmao

[smoky latch]

Kill them faster, use tall cover

[neon gorge]

oh well that's cool might put something together in that direction thank you

[viscid plaza]

Brazen amplifies dmg on ur next shot for how many pellets hit on ur last shot

[versed summit]

3 PC striker Is best if you cant maintain striker stacks

[dawn perch]

then ubisoft release a map with only short cover lmao O_O

[flint arch]

use iron lung if you're in short cover

[viscid plaza]

Wouldn't high end be better if ur killing them faster than 50 stacks, sounds like lower difficulty

[lament reef]

tall cover guys when a kill squad spawns and you are genuinely in a grassy field with nothing rocks and tree trunks

[versed summit]

That was 10000% a joke.

To answer your question independently of that joke, yeah generally it wpild.

[viscid plaza]

If you want to get crazy with it you can use the Turmoil kneepads and go 3 red 3 blue and try to absolutely wipe open world activities

[viscid plaza]

Im too stupid for sarcasm

[lament reef]

or the middle of a road with only concrete barriers and burned cars

[flint arch]

just use PVGC Striker. good damage even with 0 stacks, packs a very good punch at max stacks.

no downsides whatsoever. ignore the PGC and vigilance

[soft crane]

Im open to suggestions but thats what people suggested before in here.

I think it was mr chow.

[grim bluff]

BTSU 9 spawns when you're running back from Metro Ruins lol

[soft crane]

I remember who suggested it but it seems he left the server. His name was T r u c k.

[viscid plaza]

Isn't Overdogs, if even slightly, a little pie in the sky? I feel dmg that is always readily available and is less conditional seems to reign supreme. I figured thats why most avoid streamline

[lament reef]

overdog haters: have you ever looked at the chart?

[versed summit]

No he just changed his name probably. He keeps doing that.

[versed summit]

Chart?

[soft crane]

Ah ok thanks.

[flint arch]

overdogs will fall off in content where killing the drone operator is way, way, way, way, way, WAY more important than following enemy tiers, yes

[lament reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489468635333656576/1464884253719400559/image.png?ex=69e9c9c6&is=69e87846&hm=a5d22d3817292ad93c3a15ae8b27bdd314dbbb1a13963f671fbcc6534918279c&

[viscid plaza]

Unfortunately the way most Escalation missions go, I think overdogs makes way too much sense.

[waxen girder]

guys , can someone give me a status effect Bluescreen build plz ?

[versed summit]

I'm assuming this tells me which enemies are in what tier, but that's doesn't solve the issue with overdogs not applying to the things I actually want to kill.

[lament reef]

just to be clear, enemy color does not matter for overdogs at all, it is purely class

the gold sniper trying to take your head off will take 30% amped damage if you shoot him! ignore the medic for one second!

[viscid plaza]

Wicked bag, you can kinda freestyle from there. It depends on the content, if you're looking for a stunlock legendary build I would probably go status duration Eclipse

[lament reef]

i would say, conservatively, you are already shooting rushers/grenades/scorchers/throwers first 80% of the time

[grim bluff]

If you're using Eclipse you want to use the backpack for the huge damage boost

[lament reef]

and that’s tier 3, which gets the amp

[misty walrus]

this is one of the reasons why i always have to host countdown lobby and profile check before the match

[viscid plaza]

In Legendary I've never found status dmg being that effective, in heroic though it makes the game look like easy mode

[flint arch]

imo, from my experience, the chunga powerwalking towards you even at tier 6 is not going to wait for you to kill the lower enemy tiers first. you need consistent damage against everyone. for example, a vigilance pack over striker backpack will not be as good as overdogs, but the damage increase is consistent and that's more important

[lament reef]

burn eclipse flat out stops working after heroic

[waxen girder]

so tipping scale set if rolled for status effect isnt as good as eclipse ?

[lament reef]

why on earth would you status effect tipping scales

[viscid plaza]

Well it sounds like he only wants status to be applied from the bluescreen, and still do dmg

[grim bluff]

It's a 30% amplify damage, not status effect damage

[waxen girder]

i am trying to use all the status effect i can get from bluescreen as well as the skills too, but i dont know which sets to go for , the build is for prototypes missions too :/

[viscid plaza]

but its just from you, not the team

[viscid plaza]

thats why I see it more as a status dmg amp

[junior lagoon]

any good core strength build or i can deconstruct them safely?

[waxen girder]

what about on going directive ?

[viscid plaza]

Thats a good route, best in countdown

[lament reef]

escalation enemies start getting hazpro the higher in tier you get

[flint arch]

are you doing PVP? if not, decon them

[viscid plaza]

I cried real tears when I tried this in PVE and I was doing literally nothing

[lament reef]

ongoing bluescreen is nice but losing sadist on a high end is tough

[dawn perch]

i was experimenting with some earlier. I have a friend is making good use of it actually. I just have more survivability problem in general but I am able to do a couple of rooms of leggies solo myself.

[waxen girder]

so i should go fullset ongoing directive ? with what ?

[viscid plaza]

Ngl if you want to go OD, you should farm the pieces in Escalation at DARPA

[junior lagoon]

skill core?

[lament reef]

you should use 4pc ongoing directive including chest, ceska backpack with wicked, and your exotic of choice: coyotes or overdogs

[waxen girder]

should i roll armor / status effect on the ongoing directive ?

[viscid plaza]

weapon and crit

[lament reef]

no
status effects aren’t worth investing in unless you are doing eclipse protocol

[flint arch]

tinkerer

[viscid plaza]

Its a team support but you still need to get kills to spread your ammo

[waxen girder]

chest and backpack ? mix it with wicked backpack for.. ?

[dawn perch]

6 tiers skill build with memento and other rare gear piece is pretty decent. I just take massive damage from getting flanked and poor positioning. (just assume i have a 2x mulpiter on damage taken). Plus the drone and turret really messes with the AI. Your weapon damage is really descent as well

[lament reef]

he wants to use bluescreen

[flint arch]

im blind sorry

[lament reef]

just chest

[viscid plaza]

A good idea though, sadist is really rough to ignore on an OD build

[junior lagoon]

bluscreen-negotiatior's dilemna is a thing though

[flint arch]

ongoing directive guide btw

[flint arch]

I find it very interesting to use

[waxen girder]

that looks good , but no status effect on the armor ?

[viscid plaza]

@flint arch Would you go sadist vindictive on an OD? Or a different route

[grim bluff]

Bluescreen ND is very fun, since you can just mark as much as you want

[flint arch]

bleed is a bad status effect for damage, you're better off doing more damage with your gun instead

[waxen girder]

alright, i ll use the build you sent, thank u

[flint arch]

my OD playtime is best measured in minutes lol

but I wouldn't use vindictive. something like frenzy, killer, measured would be better

[lament reef]

sadist pressure point is really nice in case you get caught out with no bleed ammo, but sadist killer is kind of bis

[viscid plaza]

I think to fully fit the role of a team support, amping everyone (I specifically envision this in countdown) but I understand that giving up too much of your own personal dmg can be a detriment to keeping the OD train going

[lament reef]

bring emp sticky for black tusk

[viscid plaza]

I was making a ninjabike OD build bc I farmed some pieces from escalation but tinkerer seems really hype to run with this

[lament reef]

for od, you just have to mark the guy before he dies and not personally secure the kill, so it’s not too sweaty to upkeep

yeah tinkerer is nuts with it, but that’s also just sadist + another perk doing heavy lifting

[viscid plaza]

Did I rewrite in my mind what OD does, I thought you have to secure the kill to get the special ammo refresh

[dawn perch]

unless you get that one modifier in escalation where they become immune to your status effect once you inflict on them

[viscid plaza]

Yeah escalation makes OD a brick

[lament reef]

Yeah but you shouldnt be using OD in escalation anyways

[viscid plaza]

any status anything for the most part

[grim bluff]

Yeah the wording doesn't make it immediately clear that ANYONE killing the enemy works

"Shooting a status affected enemy will apply a mark.
Killing a marked enemy grants a full clip of Hollow-Point Ammo for your active weapon, and half a clip of the agent's active weapon to the rest of the party.
Mark lasts for 10 seconds."

[viscid plaza]

From every time I've played with OD, it seems constantly up so I'm going to figure I'm wrong

[stray spruce]

So I've been away for a while and just returned for the current event? My inventory keeps getting full, I've been keeping anything exoctic and high end weapons and (Teil colour) Gear Set gear. What should I be keeping and what should I dismantle? Thanks

[viscid plaza]

Firstly are you expertise 30?

[grim bluff]

It's really easy to test it in countdown, can just tag a buncha targets and make sure not to kill them personally

[junior lagoon]

@flint arch still using iron lung or do you have a new favorite?

[flint arch]

still using iron lung

though I generally still use my lexington when I just want damage and don't need to stop enemies from shooting at me

[grim bluff]

Iron Lung feels really nice to use, is there more to the gimmick than just 'shoot lots' or is it really that simple?

[stray spruce]

I'm passed the level cap, I'm on gear score now. It says I'm SHD 58.

[flint arch]

it's braindead easy

[junior lagoon]

moving enemies out of cover is so good

[grim bluff]

I thought it might be, I was overthinking it reading the talent

[flint arch]

and if you're being shot at constantly you can just blind fire until you proc the effect and then shoot back

only time it hits a wall is if the enemies literally cannot catch on fire or you're running into a hard DPS check

basicaly escalation lmao

[lament reef]

what’s cool is it just ignites on hit, it is not loading special ammo like st elmo’s

lets you get bleed ammo from a friend

[raven remnant]

Hey guys. I'm not really familiar with how the game works regarding end game content but after running around 20 countdowns with randoms, I feel like I wanna be a tank/dps kind of build.

is there a way that this tank/dps build can utilize LMGs? Sorry if my question sounds dumb, I just have a very small idea how this game is being played.

[viscid plaza]

I would not dismantle anything that you only have one of, there is plenty of space in the stash + inventory now where you don't need to horde pieces

[flint arch]

can't do both at the same time

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide

[viscid plaza]

The possibilities are endless. Look into the Hearbreaker gearset

[stray spruce]

Thanks. That's what I have been doing so far.

[viscid plaza]

In order to enjoy the full endgame you need to get to expertise 30, I believe in you

[flint arch]

dang

[cunning crescent]

What’s sweet spot for huntsman mag size?

Is 104 too much ?

[flint arch]

Huntsman is kinda destined for the stash tbh

[viscid plaza]

More mag size is always better, as long as you are not sacrificing a ton of crit

[raven remnant]

yeah. I've been following this since 3 days ago and I've managed to build two. Striker and Tipping the scale

[raven remnant]

Nice! Thank you for this. I'll look into it

[stray spruce]

Is the Gear Set gear better than the high-end gear? Or should I keep both.

[junior lagoon]

you can also buy it from the wandering trader woman at will

[solar sable]

u gettin slow slow

[flint arch]

you have to acquire one yourself before she will sell it to you. can be from the hunters or the seasonal caches or whatever

[viscid plaza]

They have their advantages and disadvantages, gear sets have one less attribute but powerful gear set bonuses and a 4 piece talent, brand sets have an extra attribute, useful brand bonuses and usually are lodged in between gear sets to give useful bonuses like crit, mag size. They are equally useful imo

[flint arch]

you're not even expertise 30

at this rate ill get full proto PVGC Striker with 7x echo before you get to proto your first piece manually

[solar sable]

nah, proto NBB FB

[flint arch]

you are dead to me

[viscid plaza]

Bro I stg the game is removing my attachments

[lament reef]

it might be
are you swapping loadouts

[viscid plaza]

Sure but my attachments are not bound to specializations

[flint arch]

your loadouts save your attachments

[solar sable]

rude

[flint arch]

blah blah blah i use streamline for 42% amplified damage

[viscid plaza]

Legit

If you go down swap weapon

[dawn perch]

isn't that an increased damage not amplified?

[flint arch]

no its total amplified specific all weapon critical hit skill damage to targets in cover

on a more serious note, it increases your weapon damage. it's not as good as the 42% makes it seem like. it's still good in terms of just damage, but not being able to use your skills even when full red is a massive loss

[grim bluff]

Lud was really nice when I just hit 40, had garbage gear and was working towards something better

[viscid plaza]

The fire rate is cursed

[grim bluff]

And the accuracy

[viscid plaza]

Reminds me of when I tried desperately to make the ACR work bc its my favorite gun, Salvo and Eagle's grasp could not save it

[grim bluff]

But when you don't have anything else and the rest of your gear isn't optimised weapon damage, it's something. It didn't last long, I had a St Elmo's drop a day or so later

[dawn perch]

don't knock accuracy too much. Sometimes you are shooting from long ranges. Otherwise do roll pass it lmao.

wait you talking about the lud. nvm. i throw it in the oven

[grim bluff]

Yeah the accuracy on the archetype is really bad beyond mid-range

[robust yarrow]

Who has a one shot build?

[dawn perch]

you mean sniper build? There a lot of determined builds.

[grizzled garnet]

Why m700 carbon? Isnt it usually white death and then an exotic sniper

[solar sable]

it's in the top three best MMRs

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 intriguing

[hexed steppe]

white death, m44, and model 700 all out damage carbon afaik

carbon just have better mod slots and mag reload..

[grizzled garnet]

i wish they'd add an m1 garand with the ping 😩

[hexed steppe]

mantis and shroud also probably hit harder, but you cant crutch skills with determined on exotics

[halcyon sentinel]

i use sr1 and mantis, since trying to get white death is kidna hard

[hexed steppe]

whitedeath drops a lot. run capital a couple times and youll be swimming in them

[lament reef]

yeah i get them all the time

[halcyon sentinel]

capitol?

[grizzled garnet]

i'd argue that white death is probably one of the easiest things to get for the build

[halcyon sentinel]

i guess i farm wrong

[grizzled garnet]

if youre willing to optimize you can just look for any with a decent dttooc or determined

[flint arch]

don't they drop really often in roosevelt

[hexed steppe]

i get them everywhere

[halcyon sentinel]

in pin its on roosevelt and manning

[frosty rivet]

Would invester with 3 blue attributes and weapon damage be better or 1 blue attributes, two reds, and weapon damage be better overall?

[hexed steppe]

its just one of those super common drops from all the strongholds tbh.

[viscid plaza]

It really depends on what you're building for, 1 armor regen is pretty strong though

[frosty rivet]

It's supposed to be replacing my overdogs in my striker build since I wanted to be a little more comfortable

[viscid plaza]

You will get less dmg but having one blue attribute (so CHC, CHD, Armor regen) would greatly boost your survivability

I don't think you need 3% armor regen at the expense of ur dmg, will make content harder to clear

[frosty rivet]

Yeah I couldn't get one with the other crit stat so stuck with weapon handling until I can get one

[viscid plaza]

If you don't want to take the huge risk of losing an "acceptable" investor mask, the event drops investor masks if you want more

I know the feeling of getting a roll and thinking (am I about to roll this and get unusable masks)

[frosty rivet]

That's where I got all mine from, just rerolling them for valuable rolls

[viscid plaza]

Very smart, I think people are writing off the investor too early, its not the optimal thing but if everyones running overdogs striker then it seems like a miserable game

[frosty rivet]

I don't pay attention to its perk so it's not really useable

[strong cave]

imagine going for this

[tulip pollen]

Any guides exist with all the optimized escalation builds in one place or is it just striker LMG DPS & FI/refactor support?

[frosty rivet]

Good luck with the optimization

[strong cave]

honestly doubt it needs it that much lol

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/MlolYLbmZvg?si=Cdd72eZhQgwMjuzX

[frosty rivet]

Wild lol

[strong cave]

bonk builds about to be forever changed

[tulip pollen]

Yeah that's the striker LMG build I was referring to, shame how little build diversity actually exists post-escalation 🙁

[sinful tinsel]

my builds have peaked prototype does not exist to me

what are the best mods for it

[frosty rivet]

I just tested it but wanted to make sure if Achilles pulse can proc hotshot?

[vernal gazelle]

where snitch

[flint arch]

CHC mods everywhere, +20 rd mag

[mortal heath]

Is striker good with first bloom?

[sinful tinsel]

ok cheers

[plush cloak]

I pulled a first sight prototype with sadist. What is the best build I can use to take advantage of its strengths? Ongoing directive? Rpm too low for striker but the weapon damage boost on its own seems worth exploring.

[vivid jolt]

i would use investor with the regen setup if catharsis didn't exist

[vivid jolt]

it is but i wouldn't use the chest, since the fire rate isn't high enough to get good use out of it

[mortal heath]

I use equalizer and overdogs

[vernal gazelle]

dont know that snitch guy is in another game man

[summer flax]

HI! I returned back to the game, and I wanna go further into LMGs. Does this set up make sense?

any tips or advice plz?

[smoky latch]

Drop Turmoil for the Equalizer chest. Then it's solid

Preferably you want the Gunner specialization for DPS builds

[next dawn]

hm

[subtle bluff]

Not all weapons are good enough to build around. Even if it's proto.

[next dawn]

do you have the AR dps sheet?

[subtle bluff]

Just iKia's

[next dawn]

that would do

gimme

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[next dawn]

ty much love

hmm so use AUG

[subtle bluff]

Other than handles like ass.

[next dawn]

I can live with that

[subtle bluff]

Also you're looking at sustain part. You want burst then mix in if you need sustain.

[next dawn]

Lexington kinda mid ngl been rotting in my stash for eons

[subtle bluff]

Also if sustain is what you're looking for that's what Elmo is.

[next dawn]

not looking for any of these atm

just browsing

[hybrid olive]

what are some good talents for my 2nd and 3rd lexinton? currently using killer on my first one.

[next dawn]

measured and steady hand are good options

[junior lagoon]

flatline if you do a pulse build

techtank

linked laser pointer

heartbreaker etc

[hybrid olive]

alright thank you

[tulip pollen]

thanks seasonal cache, bis LMG for groups

[smoky latch]

That's trolling for beginners

[junior lagoon]

maybe they will make bell ringer op when they rebalance weapons?

[smoky latch]

The only really annoying thing is the bat drone SFX

[tulip pollen]

we can only hope

[smoky latch]

It's an MG5 and is solid, why rebalance?

[tulip pollen]

make the bell louder

[next dawn]

I like running bat drone tho

[smoky latch]

I'd kick you from my group

[next dawn]

Ill switch to corrupted petals just for you

[smoky latch]

Not sure what that is

[next dawn]

The new vfx from the blossoms event

[cunning crescent]

Hear me out……lady death 70 rds /huntsman 104 rds perf oblit…..

[smoky latch]

Also for drone?

[next dawn]

Mhm

[summer flax]

Thank you

[ivory abyss]

I do think huntsman shouldve came with a bigger default mag size of 40 so that ext can make it 60 at least

[smoky latch]

That's how they balance things

[ivory abyss]

it would be balanced just fine still lol

and lets not talk about "thats how they balance things" when they put equalizer and lexington in the game lol or things like EB and st elmos lol

[next dawn]

If you are the build police then what are you without it

[smoky latch]

Without what?

[junior lagoon]

striker needs to go if we are talking about balance

[smoky latch]

Nah, why?

The idea behind it is simple and good. Can be well adjusted but not necessary to ditch it

[junior lagoon]

yeah just make it way worse

[next dawn]

Without being a build police

[smoky latch]

INF <Build Police> - <Build Police> = INF

[next dawn]

Woah mind blowing

[smoky latch]

Not sure what you tried to pursue with your question

[ivory abyss]

like this game has almost nothing when it comes to being balanced lol

so might as well have fun with it and let huntsman have 60 rounds

[next dawn]

Stuff

[lone glacier]

thanks darpa for a full proto OD set

[next dawn]

I been getting bad rolls for OD

[keen spire]

Anyone got build spreadsheet

[next dawn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[keen spire]

Ty

[alpine wigeon]

Should I use the Heartbreaker backpack?

[junior lagoon]

yes if you are using the gear set

ditch the mask

[subtle bluff]

Generally no, giving up DPS dmg for it isn’t recommend.

[sage jewel]

Currently what healer build is best suited for T6+ Escalation?

[lone glacier]

healing and t6+ dont go well together

[sage jewel]

I see, that is good to know. Is decoy still viable CC at higher tiers?

[lone glacier]

yes

The reason why healing doesnt really work in high tier escalations is because you get health gated by one bullet, basically

[sage jewel]

That makes perfect sense

It's instagib from Unreal Tournament basically

for them but not us, naturally

[lone glacier]

but since healthgate is our best friend you'll have to rely on it a lot

[sage jewel]

That makes sense.

[young flower]

how strong is the first bloom for a red striker build compared to the lexington

[jade tulip]

Which build can be considered to be the best for the classic m1a, at this moment? I used to run a normal HE red build years ago and I'd like to play with the rifle again.

It's funny that I've just gotten the Lexi but I don't even feel like using it.

[lone wadi]

what you dont run a healer in t6+ escalation?

[lone wadi]

4 future initiative, birdie backpack, alps piece

can be cool and do btsu quickswap for hive reset

[ivory abyss]

Lexi clears sadly

[young flower]

lexi clears

[young flower]

killer for solo and measured for groups right

[ivory abyss]

Or strained for groups

Measured can be used for groups but some people dont like how weird it is switching RPMs

Back and forth is also an option for groups!

[inland hound]

i still use killer comfortably in t6-8 escalations.

[young flower]

which one do you prefer

[junior lagoon]

i dont like killer, too random, i use measured

[ivory abyss]

Strained I use but I am starting to use back and forth a bit more

[viscid plaza]

Killer** with overdogs has a lot of synergy

[ivory abyss]

Overdogs has synergy with anything damage based lol

[young flower]

can strained hit max stacks on a 45 mag lex

[lone glacier]

Why would you? You get healthgated instantly.

[ivory abyss]

you dont have the 20 round mag?

[lone wadi]

dmg buff, scorpio, healing without armour kits?

not running healer is crazy

sure you just gated but how are you getting back to full?

not to mention birdie, sledgehammer, etc

[jade tulip]

If we upgrade a fully optimised piece of gear to prototype, will the percentages of the three stats update too? I'm wondering since I'm not even expertise level 30 yet and don't know if I should bother just to manually upgrade my gear.

[viscid plaza]

You don't have to touch ur current rolls, do not need to be maxed

[lone glacier]

Too much work to me. I just blast t9/t10 duo, even solo with the same build toastey does

[jade tulip]

Understood. Thanks.

[lone wadi]

well obviously youre not gonna run a healer solo or duo bruh

[lone glacier]

even in a 4man I dont

[lone wadi]

thats you then

[viscid plaza]

Is booster hive not better value at T6+

[lone wadi]

everyone else ive ran with used heals with smooth clears

[ivory abyss]

Every group I have run with also has used healer

I like it personally doesnt ever feel like its a hinder

[lone wadi]

yup

[lone glacier]

I just don't see the point when I can have a 4th DPS with Scorpio or Rav for chungus

[lone wadi]

any of the 3 do that too

[viscid plaza]

I mean healer can run Scorpio

[lone wadi]

dps can run rav and healer can just stay on scorpio and sledge

[ivory abyss]

So for builds is it for consistency that people want all echo augment? Like wouldnt Echo + paradox be pretty solid? One gives you a chance to refil mag to keep firing and the other does the double damage feels like it would be nice

[lone wadi]

all echo + 1 amalgam is nice

[narrow iris]

any good core strength builds

[smoky latch]

Not really. Check #td2-pvp-discussions cuz it's good there

[young flower]

no I don't how do I get it again

[lone glacier]

Control Points

[smoky latch]

(Daily) Projects IIRC

[magic quarry]

what can i upgrade to run heroric stuff solo? or its the SHD level what i need?

[silent storm]

Check the BP vendor by the crafting station she sells them sometimes

[lone glacier]

Equalizer chest, overdogs gloves

[queen mauve]

whats the difference between the sleipnir and the mk46 w frenzy vs perfect frenzy

[exotic talon]

perfect frenzy stacks for each 8 rounds instead of 10

[solar sable]

SHD level means nothing, you can do any content you want as long as you have the knowledge and patience. The build is secondary but doesn't mean it's not important.

[queen mauve]

my bigger question is why ppl use mk46 over sleipnir

[exotic talon]

probably because the only way to get sleipnir is crafting and that will give you low rolls with bad attributes

[solar sable]

probably higher base dmg, more mod slots and burst/sustain

[queen mauve]

sleipnir has higher base

[solar sable]

perfect talents aren't always the best

[queen mauve]

lower fr 1 less slot = 5% less crit pretty much

[solar sable]

idk then, maybe mod slots

[queen mauve]

nopeee

bigger mag my bad

[queen mauve]

i hadnt put my max mag on my mk46

makes frenzy have a 57% bonus instead of perfect frenz with max mag w its 48%

[magic quarry]

where i get the equalizer chest bp?

[queen mauve]

ah

so the gr9 has better burst damage than mk46 but mk46 has frenzy up for its entire mag

[subtle bluff]

No both have frenzy the hold with striker RoF buff.

[queen mauve]

tipping scales user here

[subtle bluff]

Mk46 just has a better rpm to empty the Mag to start up frenzy again.

[solar sable]

you can sync GR9 Frenzy perfectly with Striker’s or Salvo, as long as you're shooting for 9 secs, you're good

[ivory abyss]

I thought I remember toasty saying MK46 because GR9 has less accuracy and stuff and he does mention something about frenzy and the mag sizes

MK46 has it perfectly with the mag and reload and GR9 doesnt lol according to what I remember hearing

[subtle bluff]

It's mag size.

[silent storm]

So they took away completely the ability to see all of an item in you stash and inventory for the fix of the compare function?

[subtle bluff]

For them and not needing a full 200 rds and being able to keep moving and stuff with mk46

[ivory abyss]

Because if GR9 was better I would imagine everyone using that instead of the MK46 so it has to be something

Frenzy wouldnt last the full 200 even with strikers tho I think

[solar sable]

what does that have to do with Build Advice?

[queen mauve]

gr9 w salvo and strik fr buff doesnt use frenzy for its entire buff

[ivory abyss]

GR9 also looks like poop MK46 military version looks better sometimes that matters to people lol

[silent storm]

MK46/M249 is just a better weapon system than the GR9

[solar sable]

ye bc you empty the mag quicker than frenzy's uptime

[queen mauve]

wrong

[lilac harbor]

I like running the Tactical M249 frenzy over the gr9 tbh

[queen mauve]

i just did outlasted it with salvo and 4p striker

[solar sable]

my brain is not working right today

[silent storm]

And the 249 has a great skin

[lilac harbor]

You can burn through the mag with frenzy still procced

[queen mauve]

you end up with 20 rounds after frenzy is up

[lilac harbor]

And have a refreshed frenzy and full mag again

Pretty consistent

[queen mauve]

oh yea thats what i was sayin lol

wats the tac 249 fr at base and dmg

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[subtle bluff]

What's wrong?

[queen mauve]

if using salvo and strikers fire rate bonus only (and on gunner but im not sure anything else even helps w this, you will outlast frenzy with gr9's magazine size

[silent storm]

Honestly I am digging Strained for Escalation the more I use it

Quick ramp time and while not as big a bonus as Killer it puts in the work and you aren't dependant on special actions

[lone wadi]

yea frenzy uptime doesnt last the full gr9 mag

theres still a couple bullets at the end that are normal

[silent storm]

I believe for most LMGs it's like 210-230 rounds is the limit for Frenzy

Depending on fire rate

Can do some silly stuff with mag size through the season bonus though

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean by you’ll?

[subtle bluff]

With RoF from Striker you do.

[lone wadi]

you sure? i was in game with striker and rof mag on gr9 and still cant empty all before it ran out

[ivory abyss]

is that right? lol I think 2 ppl here said it doesnt

[lone wadi]

lemme go in range to see

[queen mauve]

i mean i am shooting the gr9 with salvo and strikers fire rate bonuses and i am not finishing the mag before frenzy runs out, do you hae ammo capacity maxxed out in your shd lv

[lone wadi]

its not a ammo capacity problem

[subtle bluff]

At 200 GR9 it’s works

[lone wadi]

since reserves have no impact on mag size

[subtle bluff]

If you’re at 250 it won’t….

[lone wadi]

yeah im at 200 on strikers and rof mag

[subtle bluff]

I think its context is missing GR9 with mag size or not.

[queen mauve]

i didnt know if the shd lv perk impacted reserves or mag

gr9 with gunner specialist 50 mag bonus

[lone wadi]

yea you cant be using th 50 rnd mag

[queen mauve]

thats best in slot so

[subtle bluff]

It is not BiS

[lone wadi]

no

[queen mauve]

what is ?

[subtle bluff]

If we can keep frenzy up it’s better not to use it.

[silent storm]

Why not CHD mag?

[subtle bluff]

For Striker we use Reload speed

[lone wadi]

ah yup chow's right. With 200 rnd mag frenzy on gr9 just about lasts the whole mag

[queen mauve]

yup

[stark fox]

not sure who to ask for this, I'm watch level 252 and wanting to try out Escalations. 4 piece striker with overdogs and a prototype First Bloom, should I try this solo or attempt to matchmake?

[queen mauve]

its right, i was using the fire rate mod tho

[subtle bluff]

I know this work when I carry 4 man leggo tidal with it.

[ivory abyss]

Wait a minute lol

[lone wadi]

that means you empty mag faster

[queen mauve]

damage

[subtle bluff]

First Boom isn’t that good to use

[ivory abyss]

It either lasts the mag or almost lasts the mag lol which is it? "just about lasts the whole mag" isnt the same as lasting the full mag lol

[stark fox]

so swap to the lexington I got?

[lone wadi]

yea im saying so you should still have full uptime

[queen mauve]

yea i have full uptime w it

[lone wadi]

yea

[lilac harbor]

Matchmaking is better cus more ads will spawn. More ads, more prototype drop chances.

[ivory abyss]

Is the GR9 not slower in RPM than the mk46?

[stark fox]

kk, thank you!

[ivory abyss]

div wiki says gr9 is 750 rpm and mk46 is 850

[solar sable]

dude... I already told you the Wiki is outdated.

[lone wadi]

gr9 also has more bullets in mag, which frenzy firerate and dmg scaleds off

[ivory abyss]

you didnt tell me that brother because ive never used the wiki til literally right now

[queen mauve]

does frenzy work off of modified fire rate or base rate

[lone wadi]

also this is right

[queen mauve]

when calculating bonus fire rate

[ivory abyss]

GR9 is still the worse option

Of the 2

[lone wadi]

it includes the striker buff if thats what youre asking

like if you have strikers on and proc frenzy the rmp it scales off is not the base rmp without strikers buff

[ivory abyss]

Mk46 feels like a true laser beam

[lone wadi]

not with full frenzy uptime

[subtle bluff]

Random people upkeep the wiki

No one really.

[lone wadi]

mk46 is just more comfortable to use because you can still hide for a bit and have full uptime and it takes less time to empty the mag to get frenzy started

[subtle bluff]

Well... GR9 WD is higher than mk46

[ivory abyss]

I mean there is a reason people who play the game at a high level are using Mk46 vs GR9 lol if GR9 was the clear winner I am sure they would just use that then

[queen mauve]

if im going off of modified fire rate mk46 has 1541 after salvo striker fire rate and frenzy vs g9's modified fire rate with fire rate mag mod you have an ending fire rate of 1560

[subtle bluff]

The reason and how we use GR9 is different than Mk46.

[ivory abyss]

Like I would imagine for whatever reason GR9 is good for would be the same for MK46 when it comes to escalation like what differences would you be looking for deciding to use one over the other

[queen mauve]

vs without the 5% fr mag mod you get 1500.8 for the gr9

[ivory abyss]

they are both LMGs with the same talent and attributes

[queen mauve]

i like doing math

[lone wadi]

well mainly whichever one you like and if you can always have full uptime on both in combat

[subtle bluff]

Okay..... DPS numbers...
GR9 is the winner in sustain.
MK46 has high Burst.

With frenzy active this GR9 wins.

[queen mauve]

actually you can swap for the 50 round and gr9 wins in burst too

[ivory abyss]

In escalation terms like T6 and above when enemies are chunky you would then clearly want the GR9 over the MK46 lol but yet everyone is using the MK46 so I am confused

[queen mauve]

mk46 may have better stability

[lone wadi]

becasue when youtake damage you need to hide and that loses frenzy uptime

[ivory abyss]

Both would lose the uptime though in that scenario right?

But MK mag is smaller so its back in the action faster?

[lone wadi]

mk46 has time leftover after you empty the mag between the reload

[lone wadi]

mk46 has slower reload

[queen mauve]

gr9 w fr mag does too

[subtle bluff]

The reason Mk46 is meta in escalation is that it sits in the best middle of always be able to keep up frenzy and if unable to empty the Mag it can empty the Mag easily.

[lone wadi]

youre also using salvo

[queen mauve]

used salvo w mk46

[lone wadi]

mk46 will still have more time leftover

[ivory abyss]

Interesting but good to know. I was curious on why people use one over the other

[queen mauve]

youre right

[subtle bluff]

Not worth vs other for frenzy.

[ivory abyss]

I need to give lexington a go lol I have been enjoying LMGs with frenzy

[subtle bluff]

Any weapons works..

AR

[queen mauve]

mk46 with all the fire rate bonuses has extra buff duration after emptying the mag which means you can utilise the buff on targets when you cant perfectly hit them

so mk46 better

there is only 1 clear winner for tipping scales though

gr9 w fire rate mod

damn..

[lone wadi]

I use use mk46 cause I have echo on it lol

[ivory abyss]

lol fair

[queen mauve]

bluescreen uh, i dont wanna do the math for so im just gonna pretend it doesnt exist and call it better for utility not better for damage

nah mag size doesnt = dps w tipping

if pakan had frenzy now

i dont know how to calculate frenzy's bonus damage but its hard to beat

i tried doing the math and omfg

[subtle bluff]

The other issue with Mk46 on TS is the reload is so long where it drops TS stacks.

[urban latch]

Just take the mag size, divide it by 10 (or 8) and multiply it by 3% rof and weapon damage. those are the boosts your getting from frenzy

[queen mauve]

OKAY so, the alexandro is just worse in every way vs a gr9 on a tipping scales build, i just sat here and did the math

i did the correct, everything in my build accounted for, math

[exotic talon]

big al just isnt good with tipping scales

[queen mauve]

it sucks

[exotic talon]

ok let me rephrase: it doesnt compete with the tipping scales mainstays and works better with striker

[shy willow]

TS favours high capacity with low ROF

[queen mauve]

giving it an INSANE benefit of the doubt of 100% uptime on the talent it still gets beat in damage by the gr9

hold up i messed up on my math so lemme correct b4 i send numbers but this isnt gonna save it

[exotic talon]

does bighorn work with blue core striker? since it has the massive ads damage boost

[queen mauve]

also this math lets me know it isnt better than gr9 on striker either tbh

becasuse im again considering that youre keeping the talent up 100% of the time

vs gr9 which CAN keep frenzy up all of the time

1,126,849 per shot (assuming a crit) against health (this is the roll i got the math is interchangeable in the calculations between DTA and DTH) at 1100 rpm Big alejandro)

1,302,527 damage (assuming crit against armor) at 1335 rpm (unmodified fire rate) at the gr9 without the fire rate mag

what isnt accounted for (hs dmg because mine is modifed w global mod, ) crit chance bcs thatd be a dps calculation and thats like 50 more numbers to multiply, and maximum attributes / shd level, but nothing that i am missing will buff big alej to be more than gr9

[urban latch]

are you comparing builds you have everything for?

[queen mauve]

comparing guns

[urban latch]

you just need 4 inputs, crit, non-crit, rpm, and crit chance, and you can easily calc your dps between the two

theres a calculator for it pinned in this channel for it

[queen mauve]

i was makin a point, best weapon for tipping scales is gr9 w frenzy no exotic can outclass it in dps for tipping scales

[subtle bluff]

By pure DPS nothing really beat GR9 Frenzy. The ability of it though and its uptime…

[queen mauve]

its uptime on tipping scales is best in slot

[subtle bluff]

as in actually be able to use it all the time to kill every ad..

[queen mauve]

any smaller mag is losing you maximum value on tip stacks and also harming your ability to max stacks in 1 mag

[subtle bluff]

TS is not BiS when ND and Striker w/ Chest are around.

[queen mauve]

ehhh

[subtle bluff]

With a worse weapon…

[queen mauve]

never said it was worse said it was worse in pure damage which is just a fact, it has better and more valuable utility

[subtle bluff]

No other build can outperform ND when there are plenty of targets.

[queen mauve]

well yea

and in the case for pure nd gr9 isnt best in slot

you re read my line didnt you

[subtle bluff]

This line here isn’t true. In opinion sure and in some situation ok.

I hate typing on a phone.

[young flower]

Does the Lexington just come with maxed out stats by default

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[young flower]

This gun is genuine beast mode

[coral reef]

hey Mr Chow... you are legit 🫡

[queen mauve]

the uptime for tipping scales is best with the gr9, it has a mASSIVE mag which you need to SHOOT to build stacks of TIPPING SCALES

[drifting raptor]

Hey guys would a refractor build be good for escalation? If not any utility skill builds worth running? Bored of striker and tipping

[subtle bluff]

+t5 refactor isn’t good.

[drifting raptor]

Anything worth running?

[queen mauve]

RELOADING LOSES STACKS, idk how i have to argue this

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[coral reef]

full dps or full healer/support for buffing dps guys

[subtle bluff]

Both Striker and TS lose stacks when not shooting. TS just loses it faster.

[queen mauve]

if youre reloading youre not shooting therefor - stacks of TIPPING SCALES which is the whole point of what i was saying

im talking exclusively about TIPPING SCALES which is why ive mentioned it in every comment

[subtle bluff]

Right I’ve mentioned you say TS the whole time.

[queen mauve]

then why are you talking abt other builds

i know other builds wont use it as well

[subtle bluff]

I still reference this line. TS isn’t the best for this because of the bigger mag.

[subtle bluff]

And I am saying other build use it better.

[queen mauve]

do you know how tipping scales works? it gains stack per ammount of time spent shooting

if you have to reload you lose stacks

so if you dont have to reload to get to max stacks

[drifting raptor]

Dang those are the only options?

[queen mauve]

your uptime is better

[subtle bluff]

Yes TS stack check in time interval if you are shooting or not.

[subtle bluff]

I don't I don't understand this line...

Why would you have to reload to get max stacks?

[queen mauve]

mk46 has to reload before ts maxes out w the chest

[subtle bluff]

UH?!

[lone glacier]

huh?

[subtle bluff]

Context...

[subtle bluff]

so we went from GR9 now to MK46?

[queen mauve]

mk46 was the only other meta lmg option

[lone glacier]

M249 also exists which is, iirc, the same as the mk46

[shy willow]

Not at all

[subtle bluff]

GR9 being used to it's fullest....

[queen mauve]

this is what i was getting at

[subtle bluff]

Tell us now how TS is stil BiS with GR9...

[queen mauve]

OH

[shy willow]

Did everybody just forget the M60 existed istg

[subtle bluff]

For escalation.....

[subtle bluff]

No.. The context here is just changing and being unclear..

[queen mauve]

thats what youre hung up about no no im not saying tipping scales is maximising gr9's potential

im saying gr9 is maximising tipping scales potential

im saying if youre using tipping scales, gr9 is the best option

[subtle bluff]

Ok so just TS we're talking about.

[queen mauve]

yea yea sorry

[subtle bluff]

Again context.. I like context.

M60 is actually really good with TS.

since TS only care about firing time.

[silent storm]

TS M60 Frenzy is nasty

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot of good LMG for TS. I don't thing any of them are BiS for TS. It's more up a players preferences.

[queen mauve]

dps wise eh? its good for building ts stacks but getting the most out of the stacks im not so sure, is there a m60 with good mag size?

[subtle bluff]

M60 Frenzy is pretty nuts till you have a bunch rds left int he pouch and unable to burn up it up nicely.

[subtle bluff]

TS stack building is fixed it doesn't go faster or slower.

[silent storm]

But all the enemies should be dead so no big deal lol

[queen mauve]

yea thats why i was talkin abt gr9 because it can use its massive mag size with its fire rate mag mod for more dps compared to other weapons

and also utilising the mag size to get ts stacks and for buffing itseld with frenzy

while also having a fire rate big enough that the % increase for frenzy helps a lot

[shy willow]

The reason the GR9 isn't used more is because of how difficult it is to keep frenzy up without burning all your ammo

It's more niche than a mk46 or m249

[subtle bluff]

And points stands. When ads spawns...

[silent storm]

yeah. . .

[subtle bluff]

in theory to a degree sure...

[queen mauve]

it has 1400 rpm at 5% fire rate mag after frenzy pops

[silent storm]

Even without Frenzy though max stacked M60 is ok

[queen mauve]

i just DID the theory

[onyx sage]

you also gotta look at the "sync" between different lmgs as well

[subtle bluff]

Here's the things with the effort and when you have more get Frenzy up yes you killed everything in front of you and ads spawn and you're not in postions for them.

[onyx sage]

for example, m249/mk46 and gr9 are the best frenzy lmgs on striker because they sync decently well, gr9 syncs a bit better

syncing means you just empty the mag and all the rounds fired are covered by frenzy, and after reloading you get frenzy back, you reload slow enough to get frenzy back after reload

on TS, gr9 doesn't really sync

syncing is important because if you end up only getting frenzy every other mag, it's not very good

[silent storm]

TS does work much better with 249/MK46 because of the added mag size

[queen mauve]

my point is no matter what unless youre maintaining stacks w ts by shooting randomly you CANNOT get max ts stacks with mk46/m249 in 1 mag

[gentle lichen]

Burst fire with first mag

[queen mauve]

unless you utilise another way to increase mag size ie global modifier or a setbonus

[gentle lichen]

You can max your ts stacks with quickstep btw it just takes a while
Another good choice is cooler

[queen mauve]

i was blinded..

[silent storm]

The thing about TS though is that max stacks aren't need right at the beginning if you preload a Frenzy reload or use Big Al

[queen mauve]

i actually didnt think abt this im not being ironic

i thought it would be too hard to manage stacks by burst firing

[gentle lichen]

Well holding lmb and lmgs go hand in hand

[subtle bluff]

You don't need max stacks to use TS build..

[silent storm]

Yeah TS will build stacks as you fire so no big deal.

[gentle lichen]

I think it's cause of each stack giving a lot rather than striker's more forgiving stacks it would be wise to always be maxed

[queen mauve]

major part of your damage is ts stacks tho so wouldnt you wanna prioritise that over sync? genuine question

[subtle bluff]

I mostly used Iron Lung when I using TS most of the time in Leggo RMM..

[silent storm]

Think of TS as an inverse to Striker. Striker has WD stacks and TS has CHD stacks, so on Striker you want to front load CHD to maximize the ramped DMG while on TS you want to stack and ramp DMG to maximize the CHD

[subtle bluff]

DPS wise I never felt like I was doing worst when I was on striker with the same setup.

[shy willow]

When I ran TS that's what I used to stack it

[subtle bluff]

......
Dmg wise TS and Striker more or less about the same in the end. Not this....

[queen mauve]

ohhh

[subtle bluff]

No..

[silent storm]

yes but they work the way I described to get the same end

[shy willow]

TS and striker are pretty much on the same level damage wise

[queen mauve]

i was about to say "well yea but thats why gr9 bcs bigger frenzy buff" but bigger frenzy buff over less uptime

[shy willow]

Just striker is easier to gain/maintain stacks which instantly puts it ahead imo

[onyx sage]

we say that striker's damage profile is more frontloaded

[silent storm]

It's why Big Al is just a bit better on TS than it is on Striker

[subtle bluff]

TS can in some ways can build it faster but will lose it faster. But that's more depending one Strikers weapons and than gameplay

[onyx sage]

and frontloaded damage is usually better

[queen mauve]

nah big all sucks, went over this

actually shot for shot worse damage than gr9

[silent storm]

That's a take

[queen mauve]

gave big all the benefit of the calculations at 100% uptime of a 100% buff

[silent storm]

My TS Big Al deletes things fast

[shy willow]

Big Al has like a stupid high rpm ofc it will hit for less per shot

[queen mauve]

still did worse damage at a lower fire rate than gr9 frenzy

with worse uptime on a big al

[subtle bluff]

Big AL overall DPS when talent is proc is rather high.

[queen mauve]

not compared to gr9

[subtle bluff]

And again GR9 frenzy uptime in all fight isn't a thing.

I've already stated this....
GR Frenzy is pretty on top of the DPS charts.

[shy willow]

TS users when short encounters:

[queen mauve]

neither is big alejs

[pallid spoke]

Or just use bullet king where downtime doesn't exist.

[silent storm]

This is where frontloading a Frenzy reload is needed

[gentle lichen]

Putting frenzy in practice most times you won't be able to fully empty a >100 mag without getting some kind of pressure on yourself

[queen mauve]

which is my point you keep frenzy up more than big al stacks on average and i was considering 100% uptime on BOTH

[subtle bluff]

bad example.

[subtle bluff]

You're mixing things up. Stop.

[shy willow]

Even with frenzy proc yeah this^

Hence why I prefer the mk46

[queen mauve]

my calculation readings were up in chat

[onyx sage]

frenzy is only used in certain situations, if you use it in all situations ammo becomes a big problem

[silent storm]

Why? If you know the fights you can start them with a Frenzy reload and be fine, I do it all the time

[pallid spoke]

Don't see how it's a bad example when TS quite literally relies on suppression and nonstop firing to maintain optimal dps.

[subtle bluff]

Do you have 100% uptime with frenzy thru a whole mission?

[queen mauve]

do you have 100% on alejandros

[silent storm]

No but if I really tried I can probably get to 90% easily

[subtle bluff]

You can do the same with any other good LMG and have a better TTK at the same time.

[shy willow]

I have an smg9 I swap to for softer targets and I keep my lmg empty for when I need it

[subtle bluff]

I doubt that.

[silent storm]

Big Al is easy just shoot from cover

[shy willow]

Works like a charm

[queen mauve]

gr9 is easy just shoot

[subtle bluff]

Well maybe if you sit and prep between every single encounters sure.

[silent storm]

I just don't like how GR9 handles

[queen mauve]

thats valid

[pallid spoke]

Yes, but bullet ling comes with less drama with all the nonsense about uptimes and timings and scalings.

[queen mauve]

im not saying you SHOULDNT use alej im just saying numerically its worse

[pallid spoke]

Some people just want simplicity and nothing is simpler than pulling a trigger

[onyx sage]

i mean, if we're discussing whether something is better rather than "feels better", bullet king doesn't really fit in the conversation

[lone wadi]

big al's cover restriction sometimes sucks

[queen mauve]

stack loss on reload really kills it

[silent storm]

Remember though that TS grants Big Al more rounds as well

[subtle bluff]

GOD DO I HATE it. I've tried it on striker the other night for the first time when carrying this leggo tidal group. Big AL burst DPS is something new for exo weapons in general but being fix to cover.... ugh

[solar berry]

Seeker mine build, most brainless you can get

[queen mauve]

still a % max increase

[pallid spoke]

No, they're talking about optimal damage output, but bullet king feels best when all you want is bullets downrange.

[subtle bluff]

It's not for everything most mk46 due to it having one of the longest reloads.

[onyx sage]

you're repeating my point...?

[silent storm]

All LMGs but Big Al really benefits and the stacked 100% WD synergizes great with TS and the WH reduces reloads to manageable

[onyx sage]

like we're discussing between 2 options in terms of their effectiveness, not comfort, bullet king does not compete in effectiveness at all

[subtle bluff]

I miss the days where RMM wasn't as bad as these days and I could do this...

[queen mauve]

yea i thing the general view is like gr9 has the maximum peak but lower uptime mk46 is more reliable/better for harder stuff

[subtle bluff]

I'm not against the theory of GR9 is better than MK46 for TS by any means.

[silent storm]

MK46/249 is also a more stabile platform

[subtle bluff]

the only reason mk46 is meta is for high teir escalation

[onyx sage]

no doubt, i like mk46 more but outside of frenzy

on OD tinkerer it's my fav

[subtle bluff]

Sir... I've never seen you with a OD piece on..

[onyx sage]

you have a lackluster memory sir

[solar berry]

It made me not play the game. All I see was, seeker everywhere. If you aren’t using seeker mine. You will get booted 90% of the time

[silent storm]

And I feel like Frenzy might not even be the best to use for high tier Escalation as my Strained Mk46 provides way more stable DPS than Frenzy

[pallid spoke]

except we're literally talking about opposite points. I'm talking comfort of just firing nonstop, ya'll are talking about damage effectiveness, which btw, bullet king is literally near the top in terms of sustained dmg.

[subtle bluff]

Remembers being told to get on striker from ND from an avg player....

[silent storm]

At a higher average

[solar berry]

It’s good to OD on OD

[subtle bluff]

WTF...

[lone wadi]

feelscrafting

[solar berry]

It was bad when i played or shit luck

[onyx sage]

which is what no one is talking about right now... so why are we talking about that?

[ivory abyss]

theres 2 factors of dps though from frenzy the damage per bullet and the ROF buff I dont think straineds chd matches it lol

[queen mauve]

not a point you should make, yea of course its best in sustain it doesnt reload and generates ammo, but you are also constantly exposed when firing, you can say its comfy but dont bring effectiveness into it

[silent storm]

Yes but Escalation isn't Shooting Range

[queen mauve]

yes bringing sustain dmg up is bringing effectiveness up

[pallid spoke]

I'm talking about it. Ya'll are arguing in a build advice thread not a theory crafting thread. Who are we giving advice to here?

[ivory abyss]

A lot of the time it feels like it lol most of the enemies are out in the open and take cover they dont really agro you

[solar berry]

You can hit 1 billion hsd in firing range, but you ain’t hitting that in raid, escalation or legendary

very low chance and a lot of setup

[pallid spoke]

If someone wants to use the best lmg, all I'm saying is don't leave Bullet King off the table.

[onyx sage]

if we do not theorycraft when discussing builds, what are we doing?

[pallid spoke]

exactly, what are we even doing here, guys?

[onyx sage]

am i gonna say core strength with NBB is the best because it "feels good"?

[queen mauve]

the real hot take i have is that turmoil is a must have for solos

[pallid spoke]

who is all this for?

[queen mauve]

for all dps builds

[onyx sage]

for the people who want to run content that matters?

[silent storm]

To be able to ramp Striker CHD to 50% in 2.5 seconds and lay down DPS faster than something like Killer or Frenzy, Strained might be the most economical option, specially when you get hit and need to duck away to heal up or move. You are back into the fight faster with Strained than Frenzy or Killer

[solar berry]

Determined headshot builds. Nothing else tbh

[onyx sage]

eh killer lasts decently long

[pallid spoke]

I mean Bullet King can run content that "matters". If we really want to talk optimal of optimal, don't even run LMGs to begin with.

[queen mauve]

im ngl i solo a lot more stuff now that i have em

maybe im just crutching but

[onyx sage]

lmao, in t10 escalation if you don't run frenzy lmg you're griefing

[silent storm]

10s?

[ivory abyss]

strained is just chd and stacking it endlessly has diminishing returns so its not like you are getting some massive bump in damage, frenzy ROF alone is a big increase to burst dps and then they weapon damage on top

[subtle bluff]

it felt better before it's TU22 change.

[pallid spoke]

No denying that.

[ivory abyss]

I cannot see any world in escalation where strained LMG beats frenzy lol

[solar berry]

Burst dps, out paces a lot of things. Especially you have to kill things stupid quick

[onyx sage]

not exactly the right way to look at it, both increase your damage by a certain % at the end of the day, strained still gives a decent bit, but the uptime is better vs frenzy for example, it's more of a general use talent compared to frenzy

it's the same as why favoring amp damage over weapon damage is sometimes not the right thing

[queen mauve]

2.5 seconds isnt a lot of seconds worth of firing but i mean youre at least getting 10% chd when you shoot

[ivory abyss]

Yeah thats why I specified in escalation strained I dont feel wins over frenzy

[onyx sage]

that i agree

[silent storm]

This is my current build and I didn't feel like I was griefing tier 10

[onyx sage]

frenzy uptime is a lot better because enemy waves don't die as fast

[ivory abyss]

Strained is not a bad talent, but if you are doing big tier escalations you def want frenzy and not strained

[onyx sage]

i was comparing to bullet king, any lmg with strained will outperform it in burst ofc

[queen mauve]

honestly im just happy we have good builds to use with lmgs, i remember when true patriot was all you could get

[solar berry]

Pre nerf TP 😔

[queen mauve]

wasnt there for it

[pallid spoke]

That's not what you said bro

[solar berry]

Broken in DZ badly with pesti

[summer flax]

hello whats the best way to farm optimization mats?

[queen mauve]

now all they need to do is give us a build that makes snipers or shotguns not niche

[solar berry]

Anything can make them niche

[pallid spoke]

NBA, then use watch levels on scavenge, or countdown.

wrong thread btw

[onyx sage]

I'm taking an extreme example to illustrate the point. Frenzy is the best weapon talent to use in t10.

Rowdy knows how strong Frenzy is and I acknowledge that Strained uptime and value is still decent enough to keep up. Hence why I don't make that point to him.

Please keep in mind the context.

[silent storm]

Right, and I do have this one as well and even used it and like the output I get from the Strained one more.

[queen mauve]

i want to hit for 15m without killing someone first

[summer flax]

ok

[subtle bluff]

TBH LMG have always been good. Hence the 2nd clip I posted of MG5 just melting everything. The issues mainly with LMG's is the suppression it gives. Why TS taken advantage of it and then also why Iron Lung is powerful.

[subtle bluff]

Rowdy and context is like a dogs and squires.....

[solar berry]

Ngl. If TS was stack based like striker. I can it be deadly with LMGs a lot more than now. But it do have a proper role of how LMGs supposed to be.

[pallid spoke]

Context is for chumps anyways.

[onyx sage]

then people would just call TS striker 2

[silent storm]

Just suppress something and you get infinite stacks

[solar berry]

Ehhh. Yea and no, striker still does it better cuz it don’t reset when out of combat

[final idol]

Just got the lex what build can I run with it?

[silent storm]

All of them

[onyx sage]

any build that uses an automatic weapon, striker, nego, you name it

[pallid spoke]

ramp up is definitely where TS loses, I just wish they'd give TP some love

[queen mauve]

if only like snipers or something worked like irl, weakening and destroying heavy armor or robots, yes im very mad that sniper builds are made useless because of robot dogs

[final idol]

I got a striker n tipping scales atm idk what talents I should use on it doe

[onyx sage]

they were hinting at giving a buff to TP on a stream a long time ago. nothing came of it

[silent storm]

The only buff to TS that I feel would be good that doesn't make it broken is reduce ramp time to 7.5 and 12 seconds

[solar berry]

They said they might look into it.

[subtle bluff]

If tac50 could make use of something like that'd be cool.

[pallid spoke]

Bah, I hope so

[onyx sage]

dogs got a stealth nerf recently. they don't get damage reduction on their legs anymore. previously you need HH but now you deal a lot more damage to their legs even with no stacks

it started since realism mode

[queen mauve]

you cant headshot em, nowhere that you hit is considered a headshot kill in game, even w determined or etc

[onyx sage]

yeah but now you don't suffer as much even if you dropped stacks

[silent storm]

AR on a dogs legs even in high tiers is almost instant death

[queen mauve]

which i mean itd be fine if those builds didnt require headshot KILLS

[onyx sage]

previously i would reset my runs if i accidentally dropped HH before i have to shoot a dog. now they only 2 shots from white death to die

[silent storm]

Like dogs don't even matter if you bring EMP and AR

[solar berry]

I aim for dogs head, I find it do very good for me for ages now

[final idol]

Would strained be good for striker?

[onyx sage]

dogs don't take hsd unless they're buddy, lucy and the recent named dogs so

[silent storm]

Strained is A tier for Striker

[subtle bluff]

OH that tracks now that I think about that..

[silent storm]

Maybe A+

[solar berry]

The head have a weak point.

[final idol]

What the s tier? 👁️👁️

[onyx sage]

nope, unless they're the special dogs

[queen mauve]

does it proc headhunter

[silent storm]

Killer or Measured or Frenzy

[onyx sage]

unfortunately no even if you do shoot the special ones

[solar berry]

I meant the turret. Not head oops 😅

[onyx sage]

ok now i agree

[queen mauve]

lol yea but that doesnt work for HeadHunter

[onyx sage]

even then legs are now the preferred target. they take 1.5x damage compared to even body shots

[solar berry]

I never have issues and there is a weak point on the turret to

[queen mauve]

ironically i think hitting weakpoints should count as a headshot

[onyx sage]

eh, i think it's at a good spot. it's used a ton in legendaries if you know the encounter

any more effectiveness and it's borderline broken

[queen mauve]

but noo we added the bighorn so headshots need to stay "balanced"

[solar berry]

Yes and no if so, it should have a slight reduction to HSD itself

I rather tie weak points to health dmg tbh
Maybe arm 🤔

[queen mauve]

yea but then its just not a weakpoint

[onyx sage]

weakpoints do already take health damage yeah

[solar berry]

It opens up a higher dmg multiplier of health

[queen mauve]

hollow man SHmallow man

[solar berry]

That died ages ago

[onyx sage]

there was an overdrive event that gave explicitly weakpoint damage

[solar berry]

Why use hallow man when you have AR with base heath dmg stat

[onyx sage]

idk if they're gonna go further with it

[subtle bluff]

Dien if I proto my ND gear can I use it in leggo zoo runs?

[queen mauve]

i just want a gearset that grants amplified damage stacks based off how many hits you do with a marksman rife on a highlighted area

[subtle bluff]

English is now escaping really escaping me..

[onyx sage]

i mean you already can just use it sir

[solar berry]

Proto gear works everywhere, excluding conflict/DZ. will rest to original variant at max values

[onyx sage]

he knows it, it's an inside joke

previously i kept making him run striker as a meme

[pallid spoke]

and incrusions and raids

[onyx sage]

he loves running OD bluescreen

[solar berry]

They revert to normal version to?

[subtle bluff]

I have to get my punches whenever I can.... It's rare for me...

[pallid spoke]

yeah

[onyx sage]

yeah

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔 cool ig. Set for deleting bosses quicker

[onyx sage]

i need to go back to incursion to see if they really fixed the optimization bug

[solar berry]

Do they still get the +30 proficiency atleast?

[subtle bluff]

It looked like it did.

[onyx sage]

nice

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar berry]

Nice

[pallid spoke]

they're normalized in pvp for sure tho

[solar berry]

Ik that lol 😂 unless it’s the invaded dz. But Proto still isn’t a thing

[silent storm]

Invaded DZ should drop Proto gear

[lone wadi]

no it should not

[silent storm]

Why not?

[lone wadi]

that would make it so easy to get

[pallid spoke]

Would certainly make things livlier in there. Just put a massive spotlight on whoever is carrying it.

[solar berry]

Only escalation

[lone wadi]

i mean id certainly bring people to dz but not sure if thats how they wanan do it

[solar berry]

It prob be lower chance than the EB

.0001% looking ahh

[silent storm]

Give it a tier 0-1 chance to drop and put it in Invaded DZ

[solar berry]

That’s higher than EB to drop 😭

[silent storm]

I get exotics a bunch in DZ, not Eagle Bearer but still

[solar berry]

It’s like a .025% to drop

[onyx sage]

i mean for the people who just play pvp and nothing else, proto gear would be useless

[solar berry]

Real

[limpid pelican]

max prototype just to sit in raids and incursions

[solar berry]

I’m waiting on more PvP gear/gear set to come out in the future

[limpid pelican]

prob say its moreso what content do you want to do, then make builds for those

[onyx sage]

well what content have you done and not done?

legendaries, masters, even pvp?

[solar berry]

What role do you want to focus on… medic, skill dmg, dps, tank ect.

[limpid pelican]

learn 1 shot mechanics in raids and incursions

and make those builds. thatll keep u busy for a while

[onyx sage]

legendaries and masters don't really require many builds to do effectively, but they are hard content to strive to do well if you want

[solar berry]

Worth checking out. Great to start you off with some builds, before you explore and make your own. There is really good starter builds in there

[onyx sage]

it also depends on your own motivation as well, do you want to speedrun, learn mechanics, run challenges, etc.

[solar berry]

Imma tell you one thing. Don’t listen to YT builds. If any questions, ask them here. Even something like what’s Crit chance (chc) and Crit damage (chd).

[onyx sage]

if you want i'd be down to run some stuff with you too

[solar berry]

Many of us here help each other out. As a community. Always ask questions, if you think your build isn’t good like a striker build for example. Post and ask for feedback. We want you be confident and kill hostiles for the Division. You may get roasted, but you will get your feedback, end of the day. It’s the internet.

Remember, ask questions even if you feel dumb asking it. Knowing something, is better than not knowing ❤️

[pallid spoke]

And if you need help fluffing up Bullet King, ask me.

[subtle bluff]

You'd like my last incursion showcase I did.

[solar berry]

It comes and goes, hopefully no one get upset

[soft crane]

Have you reached expertise 30?

[merry stone]

bitter sweet better than doc home for hybrid builds?? where dmg is needed but also some support?

[pallid spoke]

yes

anything is better than doc home

[shy willow]

Doctor home is very potent on future initiative

[solar berry]

O… one of the fastest ways to expertise 30. Is countdown, dono stuff. Fill up your library with max roll stats. Till it’s full first, dono the rest. If max expertise on gear/weapon, dismantle it for rss.

Just a lil advice for many people out there

[pallid spoke]

Bitter sweet is still preferable, just for the bonus armor

[soft crane]

The bottleneck for expertise are skills and exotics. Named items can easily be farmed from houndsman bounty or from the current event.

[pallid spoke]

FI works on keeping everyone at max hp, less so about healing, so bonus armor stacking works best.

[merry stone]

also spam level gains so you can get insane amount of printer filaments to boost exp

it is but i also used an 3x expertise event next one is a month, you'll easily hit lv30 during that event

[solar berry]

FI also gives agents a dmg boost

[pallid spoke]

at full hp, yes

[soft crane]

Thats pretty much you gotta do now that you're done with everything.

[merry stone]

btw i was wrong overdog craps on coyote mask so much

[languid zenith]

What's the meta negotiators dilemma build but for AR

[subtle bluff]

Equalizer + overdogs. Weapons doesn't matter.

[languid zenith]

Okay thats what im running so thanks

Been enjoying using that with the strega

[subtle bluff]

To note Strega doesn't proc ND

[languid zenith]

I assume all red cores should be fine and yeah I know the ND kills dont spread the strega effect

[subtle bluff]

The gear talent is doing the transfer dmg not the weapon.

[merry stone]

btw is there a trick to use strega?? I found it very lacking last time i tried it

[subtle bluff]

The small mag hurts it. We have a HE build that runs it better fixing the issue.

[pallid spoke]

Hit the reds forst then work up which is why ot works well with overdogs

Strega has the highest burst dps of any AR once it hits 3 stacks. At 2 it's competitive against other ars

[soft crane]

How Strega talent works?

You need to mark as many enemies as possible first for the damage buff to active?

[pallid spoke]

Kill any enemy, it adds a stack on other nearby enemies that applies additional 15% dmg per stack

[soft crane]

So I have to kill an enemy first and possibly close to another enemy so the mark is applied

[soft crane]

If its too far then the mark wont be applied.

[pallid spoke]

Right

[heady marten]

quick question, for prototype stuff, can you put it on anything pre-existing, but the main requirement is you have to have expertise 30 first? (which requires a lot of time to do, I think, but thats fine)

[pallid spoke]

Yes, the item has to be prof 30 as well

[soft crane]

Unrelated question but do you goes by the name "T r u c k" before?

[subtle bluff]

The gear/weapon needs to be exp 30

[heady marten]

im at like, 11 right now lol, guess i got stuff to do

[subtle bluff]

Nope. ImMrChow

I know him

[soft crane]

Mr Chow?

[soft crane]

Hes gone.

[subtle bluff]

Nope he's around.

[soft crane]

Oh ok

[subtle bluff]

He changed names again.

I'll let him know.

[pallid spoke]

Dont sweat the proto stuff too much then until u hit 30. Its not really needed to do any of the content anyways (Except for highest Escalation tiers maybe)

[subtle bluff]

If anyone says you need proto stuff. They're lying to you.

[languid zenith]

Realised finally time to get maxed out gear mods, countdown challenging best way to far for maxed out mods?

[pallid spoke]

Yeah, but honestly any targeted loot for mods is okay.

[fair dragon]

Goes the same with expertise.

[pallid spoke]

Wouldnt want to burn out doing nothing but countdown

[subtle bluff]

The higher the difficulty the "better" rng chance of a higher roll.

[languid zenith]

Feel like they should let us use prototype cores to optimiser mods 😂

[fair dragon]

Wait, now that we have TL for prototypes, are we gonna get prototype skill mods? 🤓

Imagine 14% PFE

[languid zenith]

Doubt it, sometimes mods are the things that make builds busted

[subtle bluff]

Why do you hurt my head...

[fair dragon]

I am inside your head and am always getting bigger

[subtle bluff]

Penguin sir

[heady marten]

nvm i might hold off on grinding to prototypes not being to optimize seems REALLY bad

[pallid spoke]

I think general consensus is that proto type is kinda ass atm.

[heady marten]

it just looked cool, i saw a lexington on reddit with like huge stat bloat until the guy said it cost him everything to get

i thought everything was an exaggeration but it wasnt

[pallid spoke]

Nah, that's 1 more reason why you don't need to rush to too much to get there.

[heady marten]

yeah im chilling bro im not spending a week to get stuff i wont use

i just optimized my dps build to do 2.1 per crit so im happy

[subtle bluff]

DPS is what you should focus on not per bullet dmg.

[nimble moss]

It's really better now, but you need your stuff to be in a daily rotation of targetted loot.

[fair dragon]

Its bad among Prototypes, but the values are still well above those of non-Prototype quality. So compared to that, its still an upgrade.

[pallid spoke]

Definitely. Just rolling the dice on how good the upgrade is. It also permanently removes the ability to recalibrate it so you're stuck with what you have

Unless massive allows recalibration again, it's still gambling with your hard earned gear.

[quiet plinth]

what was the alternative talent to killer for ARs, that doesnt require kills?
ik killer is overall better but id like to have a second AR to have the option to swap to in case kills arent going to be an often occurance, like beefy enemies or escalation and stuff

[fair dragon]

Streamline, Optimist, Strained

[cunning crescent]

does cooldown on sleigher apply per target or is it overall?

[quiet plinth]

is there a definitive best between optimist and strained or do i unfortunately have to think for myself
not a fan of streamline despite its big bonus cuz its condition is unreliable imo

[fair dragon]

I have not tested enough to give you an appropriate answer.

[quiet plinth]

fair enough

[livid sorrel]

measured and strained

[languid zenith]

If i intended to use Lexington with ND what's the better choice for talent?

[livid sorrel]

Still the same, killer for solo measured and strained

[merry stone]

whats the best ak in game??

[smoky latch]

Any AK sucks

[soft crane]

Counter point, I looked cool with it.

[smoky latch]

Doesn't help with the fact they all suck in this game

[pallid spoke]

It also depends a lot on weapon type. Strained is better with low rof while measured/optimist is better with high rof

[livid sorrel]

strained is better iirc

[pallid spoke]

not always. Strained has a 2.5 sec ramp time, so it's useless on any Very High ROF weapon

[livid sorrel]

i meant between optimist and strained

[soft crane]

God I love strained. Straight up +50% CHD.

[soft crane]

That reminds me, what kind of weapon Optimist best works on?

[pallid spoke]

again, opposite interactions. Optimist benefits on High ROF to reach those high damage bonuses, but yes, in terms of dps output, strained is usually better. and more reliable.