td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

You don't need any build to do Normal.

[rain fox]

You can't even change f
Difficulty until your level 40 can you

[languid zenith]

@hollow mantle can you send a picture of your current build in the chat

[hollow mantle]

I m on the fhone on pc i will be online after monday

[hollow mantle]

I m dying even in normal diff:(

[languid zenith]

Its honestly just going to be better if you send a picture of your current build and we can help you work out what to change

Whenever you get to play next

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't it matter when he doesn't any library or won't go learn how to target farm?

[languid zenith]

Im more just concerned about stuff like cores and gear pieces in general, if you really dont know what your doing even normal difficulty can be abysmal

[subtle bluff]

Fair.

I guess even just going summit..

[languid zenith]

Like if dudes trying to run a skill build with all blue cores or something

[hollow mantle]

I drop guns to library if they are purple but only if they gives less dmg then my smg

[languid zenith]

Okay bed time, night guys

😂

[subtle bluff]

I'll just let you at it. The guide is up.

It'll help you save so much time but you do you but

[hollow mantle]

Btw i can show u my stuff if i m offline but my friend is online and he can see my character have wearing or he cant see what my offline character actualy wearing ?

Bcs he is online on discord i can call him to send picture

If that will work

[spice crest]

Could I replace the knees with some survivability?

[rain fox]

Doesn't look like you need any your xodus gloves should give you plenty or survival but if you don't mind dealing single tatrget damage assuming your wearing turmoil you could replace them I use almost the same exact build as you and I'm killing so fast I don't get hit much

[grizzled garnet]

use vigilance on the pack

[misty walrus]

I use tinkerer mask, with preservation for 2ndary wpn and blood sucker bp

[shut kindle]

Which ones better?

[flint arch]

the one with frenzy

[shut kindle]

Idk, .3% wep damage for 5% crit chance

Might just keep it for now anyway

[flint arch]

the talent is the bigger issue

[shut kindle]

It just dropped

It's not one I turned into a prototype so shouldn't be bugged

[flint arch]

well on lmgs frenzy is better than optimist

[shut kindle]

Ig

[rain fox]

The one with frenzy will still put out much more damage

[shut kindle]

It's a shame, it had so much potential

[rain fox]

Keep it in stash the might do a reroll thing in the future like we already have but for proto allso

So you would be able to change talent

[shut kindle]

Yeah

[teal ibex]

somebody can explain the idea behind ravenous? priming? as in? hitting X amount or?

[soft crane]

Every shots you land will create a stack. To trigger that stack, switch shoulder and shoot.

At max stack, the effect is doubled.

[teal ibex]

yea i tried some stuff. got it working. hits like a truck :S

striker/overdog build using lol

[soft crane]

Use this instead.

[summer totem]

Question to the drone players here, refractor or core strength? Why

[livid sorrel]

refactor for heals, cs doesn't really give you much beyond capacitor dmg and armor

[summer totem]

How much skill effeciency can you get if you use 3 core backpack and 1 damage or armor core assuming that you're getting a free skill tier from tactician

[teal ibex]

equalizer chest+ knee caps?
whats the other set

[soft crane]

Unit Alloy chest (Equalizer)
Zwiadowka mask, holster, and backpack
Overlord Armaments kneepads (Fox's Prayer)

[teal ibex]

thanks. just an idea. isnt fire rate on the gun better? faster=easier stacks?

[shy willow]

Opportunity cost

Using fire rate means not using dttooc

And dttooc is an extremely powerful third attribute

[teal ibex]

it is. but since it stacks based. u would assume faster stack=better. and not rely too much on dofC

[shy willow]

Dttooc is just better no matter how you cut it unfortunately

The exception of course being LMGs which already have dttooc, in which case you want chc

[teal ibex]

i believe ya. just someone did the math its better to take dtoc xD

[teal ibex]

wot bout firerate on the gear set

[rain fox]

What are average damage numbers on a striker set with chest piece equipped I want to see if my lmg is up to scratch

[uncut yarrow]

There's not really an average

[worn mango]

Too many factors can go into that

[rain fox]

Oh was just looking to see if my gun was good enough

[uncut yarrow]

Just run it

Tho striker chest is a tough spot. Would rather do bag or memento and run Equalizer or something on the chest

[worn mango]

Yeah, raid/incursion/escalation really the only appropriate spot and then you're probably running frenzy on your LMG

[rain fox]

Ye wanting it to be able to knock out most endgame stuff

[paper dagger]

All i can tell u is striker/overdogs/equalizer st elmo (lv 19) i hit around 900k-1,5mil with full stacks

[rain fox]

Just ran my lmg with 1013 rmp and I don't think I got to max stack on legendary once

This why I can't use the chest I must be doing something wrong

[paper dagger]

yee full stacks on chest is only really achievable in escalation tier 5+

[drifting cargo]

hey quick question is HF zero F body pieces not really unusable this for hunter furry build ? just return a while ago

[paper dagger]

Go for equalizer chest similiar dmg with way more uptime 🙂

[rain fox]

OK I'll run chest when I start struggling then because Im losing out on extra damage

Ye will switch to that build this isn't working out because stacks to high thanks

[steady canopy]

I know I don’t have a lot but what should I put the points into

[worn mango]

crit chance > weapon damage > crit damage > head shot damage

Get your rid filled out first and then go from there

[next dawn]

Offensive go with crit damage and crit chance but other than that go for anything you want you will max out everything eventually

[empty trout]

so, i have a striker build, a hunter's fury build, a skill build and one that deals high headshot damage with rifles and sniper rifles. all of them work great in Heroic but i want to make a new build. is the fire build a good choice for Heroic?

[soft crane]

Crowd control?

[empty trout]

i guess. i just want one more build to diversify my gameplay

[hexed steppe]

Fire eclipse is good for heroic with a team. Solo youll struggle heaviest npcs tho

Foam eclipse is good support as well if you dont have

[empty trout]

hmm. so, taking in consideration what i have and use already (builds), which other build can i make for solo Heroic?

[hexed steppe]

Mortar supremacy

Its in the guides section of the sheet

[empty trout]

ah, cool. ty

[weak quail]

I recently got the tinkerer mask and thought about trying it with ongoing directive and two lmgs with sadist and pressure point. Are there better talents than those for this? And is there a general “best 200 mag lmg” or just go with whatever i find with the best stats?

[lone glacier]

You and your mortar..

[lone glacier]

Killer, Measured or Frenzy

Not sure how good Pressure Point is compared to the other

[weak quail]

15% amplified

[worn mango]

PP is amp so I'd take that if solo play

I run Vindictive if playing in groups because some people don't spec for chance/damage like they should.

[weak quail]

Will check those out too, thanks

[worn mango]

Frenzy if you can mag dump and have enough enemies to leverage frenzy, killer if you have good crit chance and measured is just overall a solid choice

[lone glacier]

I mean you'll have close to cap CHC with Tinkerer OD

[worn mango]

Should yeah

[lone glacier]

Killer Sadist is what I run solo
Measured Sadist group wise

[weak quail]

Ok so i should put sadist on my active one and swap the second accordingly

[worn mango]

Sadist is always up so if it's something with a proc like frenzy or killer you'll want that on your secondary

Well, always up if you have rounds but goes without saying

[weak quail]

Yeah with ongoing and stinger hive it will always be up

[worn mango]

Lots of option with hives, typically I'd be using revive hive and then either banshee pulse or chem foam

[weak quail]

Ill check what those do when im back home. Only had pressure point in mind as secondary as 15% amplified is not little

[weak quail]

Banshee pulse is very goated for sure

[lone glacier]

I may try Pressure Point to see how it compares to Killer

[worn mango]

I like that it's always up

[weak quail]

Yeah even with the most random of status

[worn mango]

Not that killer is hard to proc but it's still a chance

[weak quail]

Does pulse count as status btw?

[worn mango]

Yep

Oh wait, not like pulse as in enemies show

[weak quail]

Ok cool that’s good, wasn’t sure

Oh, only disorient then.

Figures

[worn mango]

If it has a 'applies x status effect on affected target' under the description of the talent then yes

So jammer/banshee for the pulse skills

[weak quail]

It just hit me what vindictive does, that’s really good actually

[worn mango]

I'm highly tempted today to make my Killer Lexington Prototype but I hate the commitment lol

Yeah I like Vindictive in group play just because, it's a nice utilitarian thing because our damage is pretty damn good as is

[weak quail]

And you never know what a mess others’ stats are so it helps.

[worn mango]

Well that's it

Like just now I was running the blue OD in Countdown and it's nice because you get so much buffage

[weak quail]

As for lmgs? You go for something with 200 mag yeah?

[worn mango]

MK46/MG3 are your core choices

You get 150 and it's more than enough

[weak quail]

I think i have the first

Isn’t that the black market one or im misremembering

[worn mango]

If I recall they're mostly the same but honestly I forget

[smoky latch]

Killing an enemy with a status effect applied grants you and all allies within 15m 15% critical hit chance and 15% critical hit damage for 20s.

Not that much and it's range limited

[weak quail]

Oh range limited, bruh

[worn mango]

I use it in missions where everyone is grouped up and they're low levels

[smoky latch]

Most ppl will already be at CHC cap so that already falls flat as bonus

[worn mango]

I more often than not am getting paired with low SHD now and they are not capped at all

[weak quail]

Noted anyway, i have a black market one that has maxed lmg damage, damage to out of cover and to armor so i will slap sadist on it

[smoky latch]

If you wanna buff your team with crits use Coyote's mask

[weak quail]

Until i find either of those with good stats

[weak quail]

I slap that on in countdown yea

[worn mango]

I'm gonna rip this proto Lexington and I swear I'm gonna get weapon damage to troll myself

[smoky latch]

Update us here

[worn mango]

I honestly can't even pull the trigger lol not that it does anything, I have more Lexi's in the bank but really don't wanna get them to 30 again

But I am hoarding exotics until the next event

[smoky latch]

Why hoarding exotics?

[worn mango]

For expertise surge for double components

[smoky latch]

Alright

[inland hound]

i mean, all your gonna do to your lexington is make is better

[worn mango]

Yes, but it's the commitment that hurts lol

[inland hound]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[weak quail]

So that’s what that’s called, also was told to hoarde and wait

[inland hound]

to be fair, i turned mine into proto in hopes of getting

echo on mine, but i've rerolled it lik 6 times and no echo

[worn mango]

I'll be happy if it's weapon damage echo but I hold absolutely no hope

I did my Equalizer and got the skill healing

[inland hound]

time to rerollll 😄

[smoky latch]

Equalizer skill healing?

[inland hound]

the augment

[smoky latch]

Ah

Yeah the reroll costs for augments are atrocious

Especially with low drop chances of proto gear

[inland hound]

yep, mines at 24 and im losing hope. but i'll still reroll it

[worn mango]

Alright I rolled it, got AR damage and Paradox, not the worst but gotta do another lol

[smoky latch]

Not everyone wants to do raids or incursion for proto cores

[inland hound]

wish i could just farm 50 cores out and just put on echo indefinitely

[worn mango]

I'm intruiged by what they're going to do with this in the future

[smoky latch]

The entire system needs a rebalance

[inland hound]

instead of RNG chances (my rng is dogwater in everygame imaginable)

[lone glacier]

I wonder what theyre changing on tuesday..

[smoky latch]

I'm not gonna grind scraps of exotic components here and there when one fkn item already needs 45 exo comps to be expertise 30 plus exponentially more proto cores when changing the augment trying to get what you want

[worn mango]

That's my issue, it's perpetual grind for yes better gear and a shiny new colour but I'm also just over it already

[inland hound]

i was lucky enough to play during the bugged caches that gave you capped exotic comps like a year ago and sat on them forever

i'd still prefer the Divsion 2 grind over other games current grinding systems like diablo4/destiny2/etc

[smoky latch]

They put this new, grindy system on top of another, already very grindy system which is totally outdated. It doesn't work well and people aren't having it

Cutting the expertise cost in half without adjusting necessary exo component sources doesn't help at all

[smoky latch]

Diablo 4 sort of worked like this system in Div2

[worn mango]

Yeah, doing countdown for caches, hoping you get rng on control points yellow bins or now hoarding exo's for an event is just rough

[inland hound]

i unironically think they shouldve locked proto behind pre reqs, because new players 100-1k shd are throwing their good solid builds away for funny purple proto items and they are lost af

[worn mango]

The amount of awwwfffuuulll proto builds people have now is absurd to me. The part is purple but doesn't mean it's better lol

[inland hound]

^^ i kicked a 250 shd because he tossed on random proto gear and dealt NEGATIVE damage. and he was upset because of that. he thought proto was gonna carry him in everything because its max expertise and looks fancy

i told him straight up, proto is not for you right now. go farm out strikers/tipping/overdogs/anything else and you'll be able to clear all the content in the game. and bro acted like i spat in his face

[smoky latch]

What do you mean by negative damage? Lol

In the scoreboard?

[inland hound]

i watched him fight a elite, and it looked like bro was healing him instead

[smoky latch]

I see

[inland hound]

like 10 mags in, 2 armor plates barely gone

[lone glacier]

Can't wait to hit expertise 30 and fully proto my striker set

[inland hound]

and i come up and 1 clip it for him. just to show him

[smoky latch]

Yeah it seems many new players are attracted to Escalations for the wrong reasons

[rain relic]

any healers here able to suggest how much repair vs skill haste I should have for an FI Birdies for t10's? And should bittersweet be in or scorpio?

[inland hound]

having immediate access to it is not the play either, most player havent even touched legendary and their diving into T5 farms like its the start of the game

believe like 210 repair is the base you want then haste after

[terse horizon]

Isn’t btsu better for healing because of overcharge?

[smoky latch]

1. Don't wear Birdie's all the time cuz it's a waste (hot swap to it when needed)
2. Healer on T10 not really useful because players get insta health gated and die too quick
3. Always Scorpio, no Bittersweet

[inland hound]

^^ BTSU, The setup, Scorpio. Chefs kiss

[lone glacier]

Scorpio is honestly a must at T9/T10s

[smoky latch]

It's just really useful

[rain relic]

on the attributes am i going full repair skill then mod skill haste?

[smoky latch]

Attributes should be RS, mods SH for me

[rain relic]

Thank you. I was googling around and build vids take so long to look through and theres so many of them. I prefer an img like this. 🫶

[formal wharf]

I need major help with my build can anyone dm me and help please

[terse horizon]

Post it

[inland hound]

usually in the pins tab you can find images/docs of builds like the one i sent aswell

[smoky latch]

You should check the pins in here

[silent storm]

Drop Salvo and use Striker Holster

[smoky latch]

Equalizer chest. You use a sniper chest atm

And you need 4pcs Striker's

[formal wharf]

I have ninjabiker messenger bag aswell

[smoky latch]

If you want survivability keep Memento, if you want more damage use the Striker's backpack

[smoky latch]

Noob trap in PvE

[formal wharf]

Okay

[inland hound]

^^ well said lmao

[formal wharf]

So get striker bag , and change chest piece anything else

[rich cosmos]

I feel like a really easy buff to nb would be like a second mod slot

But I guess I don’t know how much a difference that would make could be too much

[smoky latch]

It's funny to see brand new players with prototype gear when some don't even have a set build. So much for "endgame of endgame", devs

[inland hound]

PREACH

[rich cosmos]

Prototype gear was not tested

I refuse to believe they did

[lone glacier]

Escalation shouldve been gated behind Expertise 30 or something

[inland hound]

gated by expertise or Legendary clears on content

[terse horizon]

Shd 5k 😅

[inland hound]

something that proves your ready for escalation

[lone glacier]

Legendary is easy though. I've solo'd Roosevelt at SHD 50 with Expertise being at like 5.

[inland hound]

hey im 1900, 30 expertise and fully built 👀

[lone glacier]

But at least with Expertise 30 you'd have to grind there at least

[inland hound]

but you have raw skill, some dont 👀

[lone glacier]

Just a returning player that no lifed the game in the gear 1.0 days 😅

[terse horizon]

Seeing ~200 mm t5 escalations is crazy 🤪

[inland hound]

i loaded into a match, not a single person was higher then 450 SHD

everyone has random proto pieces, and they all died on the very first ad pull in federal bunker

i sat back and watched in laughter

t6 btw

[terse horizon]

That’s annoying yeh, people just equip proto gear and not understand it doesn’t necessarily make them better

[inland hound]

not a tier 1-2 a Tier 6😭

[smoky latch]

As a group leader you cannot just kick low level players right away. You have to wait 2m30s or so, by then the other players already leave

[inland hound]

oh my lordy i dislike that feature with a passion

[smoky latch]

Makes no sense

[terse horizon]

Yeh that’s nonsense

[smoky latch]

First, Escalation mm already takes time regardless of the time of day. Then you slowly get a full group which takes another few minutes or so. THEN a SHD 150 joins you for T6/7 and you have to wait another 2m30s to be able to vote them out because they disregard and or get agitated when you ask them to leave, politely

[unkempt panther]

Guys, a returning player 2500 SHD, left like 2 years ago - all basic gear sets min maxed.. want to get more knowledge on what to do these days and builds --
Can you name some Youtube channel for latest builds or knowledge bt expertise/proto, what is t1/t6 etc 😄
Super confused

[inland hound]

new gamemode that drops the new Prototype rarity, its in tiers of difficulty 1-10 all scaling Health/armor/DMG and modifiers. supposed to be for the endgame already 30 expertise players, but new players are dipping their toes in for foolish reasons

Gcrock is one youtuber that comes up top of my head that most people watch

[unkempt panther]

Thank you very much for the advise.. i will look into it

[lone glacier]

Sadly not many CCs worth watching

[worn mango]

Agree with Bulls, Ikia was the better ones for builds but he's not playing the game with the newest update

[smoky latch]

Timeline guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12Su_etkf41V0BPIdI58drnGg0XSrxDmLdz4MEbrBqSY/edit?usp=drivesdk

Exotic sources (outdated a bit)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MaAAXBLNhL1AaCBoIewExQNaqkNKlIqlYGE_OUXmjtM/edit?usp=drivesdk

Check the spreadsheet here for builds and also:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LPnA18PDgGg_dEbNI1kZVTVIMGXNHQS_

[lone glacier]

Toastey I'd recommend too but mostly for T9/T10 stuff

[smoky latch]

https://www.ubisoft.com/fr-fr/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/15OjYSjEhS2rUfiDINkRxD/the-division-2-rise-up

Escalations and other seasonal things

[worn mango]

Yeah Toastey is good for super high level gameplay but not sure how accessibel that information is yet for you coming back

@unkempt panther we can also give you some general guidedness. What type of builds did you have at the time? Probably something similar but a small tweak will get you where you need to be

Like if you ran Striker's there 1-2 new pieces you can add that gets you right back in the fray

[formal wharf]

This or equaliser chest ?

[versed summit]

Equalizer. Though this can be nice in a group for some support

[formal wharf]

Okay thanks ill go farm equaliser then

[worn mango]

Yeah, equalizer is best in slot in so many spaces now

[inland hound]

pretty solid CHC and CHD Rolls on that too, i'd keep it just incase

might be fun to throw on for the heck of it it some group play sheesh

[formal wharf]

Okay awesome

[unkempt panther]

min maxed, - striker, hotshot, skill builds, hzp prot, sniper builds, basically was a raid maniac, completed almost 100+raids - i mean "those" days..

just finding my feet again... and before jumping in and gettting scolded by other veterans, wants to get full knowledge and then jump in

just that when that expertise grind came in - then i kinda left -- Expertise level 5 as of now

[inland hound]

sounds like you'll be just fine in that case

[unkempt panther]

just watching this GCRock and getting upto speed on division -- and freaking cant wait for Survivors !! (thats whats pulled me in )

[smoky latch]

That's gonna take a while

[long dove]

hey boys im using blue screen nego dillema and im enjoying it i wanna optimize it further i saw in the docs to get as close to 60% chc and i have that since i used all the gear mods/attributes on it but my CHD sucks ( im not minmaxed on mods yet and using equalizer + overdogs )

[rain relic]

Good call @inland hound and @smoky latch I didnt even think to do that.

[smoky latch]

Huh?

[inland hound]

also huh

[rain relic]

To check the pins

[inland hound]

oooooohh

[dreamy valve]

I think it’s worth it to run Retaliations until you collect all the named blueprints

[alpine wigeon]

What are the best primary and secondary marksman rifles for a Hotshot Headhunter build?

[smoky latch]

Preference and situational

White Death and Shroud works for instance

[alpine wigeon]

Which mods should I put on a Rock n' Roll for a Striker's build? Is it worth putting CHC mods if it only increases my CHC to 26% or is it better to do something else?

[solar sable]

is it for dmg?

[warm lagoon]

What modifiers arebetter for legendary
Protection from elites or armor?

[next dawn]

Protection from elites mods are better

[alpine wigeon]

Not necessarily, it's kinda for both stacks and dps. My primary is St. Elmo's.

[solar sable]

but why stacks?

you're not using Strikers chest

[livid sorrel]

I mean if you really want those stacks now

[shut kindle]

I always use mag size and stability/ accuracy, if you're using the shotgun it's to build stacks, build stacks then swap for damage

[smoky latch]

RnR only worth using if you use the Striker's chest, FYI. Otherwise an ACS 12 will do a better job cuz it can have a damage talent on top of building stacks

[alpine wigeon]

ACS-12 with DTTOC and Brazen?

[fleet gulch]

For marksman rifles builds, is Mantis or Shroud typically considered better?

[smoky latch]

Yeah that works. If you plan on using it for stacking only use a RoF mod and Fast Hands talent

[smoky latch]

Situational. Mantis for situations where you can easily kill NPCs to get the most of your decoy and Shroud for damage where suitable

[fleet gulch]

So basically, if you're not using decoy, don't use Mantis?

[smoky latch]

You can still use it but it doesn't have a damage talent, keep that in mind

You won't be able to one-shot everything

[fleet gulch]

Is it known which one deals more headshot damage, if Mantis talent isn't active and Shroud talent isn't active?

[smoky latch]

Look at their base damage. Try your build on the range to see yourself

[robust badger]

How long does it take to get expertise up my stuffs only at 2 and I’ve donated so much materials I’ve only really ever played division 1.

[smoky latch]

Takes a good while

[robust badger]

Awesome 😎

[noble pelican]

Finally min-maxed the last piece. That mod took way too long to drop.

[fleet gulch]

That's the thing, I don't have a build yet, but I'm considering making one. I also don't have Shroud yet, and actually the reason I had asked was basically determining whether or not I should even craft it.

[smoky latch]

Go for Hotdogs build

[noble pelican]

409k vs 412k base (shroud winning) and 360% vs 365% HS (shroud winning again).
Mantis has slightly more range and Shroud is slightly slower, however.

Both perfectly valid, but the most sustainable is still a high-end with determined tbh.

[fleet gulch]

I kind of want to try something with the Chainkiller vest, but I'm not sure yet about other pieces.

[noble pelican]

Chainkiller + set boni for HS% and determined on the rifle is pretty much the copy/paste sniper build.

[gentle lichen]

Hunter's fury and a D&H bag with vigi for a pistol 1 shot
Needs regulus to truly shine

[noble pelican]

Another alternative is the 60% set boni, if you want Regulus.
#td2-build-advice message

[smoky latch]

Overdogs instead of DCH is also nice. Depends on your playstyle

[bleak kernel]

What's the best AR talent in the game?

[smoky latch]

You're asking the wrong question

There is no "best" in anything pretty much. It's all situational and always depends on your build

[noble pelican]

"Theoretically highest damage" isn't a great starting point, yea.

[smoky latch]

They didn't even ask about damage

[noble pelican]

Pretty sure that's what "best" is gonna end up meaning.

[bleak kernel]

On a striker build

[smoky latch]

I stopped interpreting ppl

[smoky latch]

If you mean on a high end AR it often comes down to Killer solo, Measured in groups. Now Back and Forth is also a good option

[noble pelican]

To help your question a bit, do you want:

• Sustained damage
• Burst damage
• A good combination for Tinkerer
• General options that always "work"

[haughty harness]

That's so complex , it should solo or team play

[smoky latch]

Builds can be complex kind of. If you don't care about optimal just run Measured all the time

[noble pelican]

I'd argue it's "Do you want to have to think about the perk, or not", if anything.
Team vs solo isn't a general "You run X instead" thing.

[smoky latch]

Certain builds are also elevated by Back and Forth now as mentioned above

[haughty harness]

because solo nothing beats killer

[bleak kernel]

Eh! Optimist it is then

[uncut yarrow]

Its kinda like whether you recommend Memento or not. In a team its less recommended unless you can still out kill ppl, which if youre relying on building 30 stacks in an activity first then its just a bit harder

Just play however you want. Pull your weight. If you dont, pull others weights. Have fun. End if story

[smoky latch]

Strained over Optimist for most builds tho as general talent

[noble pelican]

Countdown playerbase: I can't read.

[bleak kernel]

I have never been able to reach all 5 stacks with AR with the strained talent. Killer is good but may be unreliable. Optimist works for non crit hits as well.

[smoky latch]

Do you use the magazine with +20 rounds?

[lone glacier]

Killer is something I only use solo

[bleak kernel]

Yes, I have a clip size of 51(50) and an RPM of 1020. The strained tops at 4 stacks for me. It would be awesome if reloading didn't reset the talent.

[uncut yarrow]

Anotha one

[lone glacier]

@broken edge elp

[inland hound]

👁️ 👄 👁️ Wow, thats alot of money

[onyx sage]

it doesn't have to reach max stacks to be worth using. it's still among the better ones

the bonus crit dmg it gives is less than on guns with bigger mags, but compared just within ARs, it is worth using

[delicate hill]

for escalations, if im using strikers backpack would it be worth swapping my Equalizer chest for the striker one? im fairly consistently capping out my stacks for both obliterate and strikers

[onyx sage]

yeah, on higher tiers striker chest is worth using

[delicate hill]

Thank you

[fleet gulch]

Is there a such thing as a build centered around the Sheriff shotgun?

[delicate hill]

someone told me about a truepatriot supporting type build they have i havent put it together to try it but it sounds decent

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwRgtADJYEzVD5MQgXAVhbaIbiwcqsAOxJxQkXI0qoj7TWEvyoBsU4cjI6ALLSFpgzbKwmRiEdDn6S6C2qiUEVqGLIUb2w+EA

this is what i put together from what they told me

[rich cosmos]

Harriers pride takes 3 hits to give a stack, does rav count the double bullets?

[weak quail]

Did you mean MG5 cause I can’t find an MG3 anywhere. (Just got home and around to check 🤣 )

[exotic talon]

HOLY UNICORN

absolute peak

[noble pelican]

GR9 is also another option worth mentioning.
I personally prefer the MK46 in Escalation and the like, but the GR9 feels a lot better in lower EHP content and when farming.

[shut kindle]

I prefer the feel of gr9 but mk46 seems op in escalation

[noble pelican]

MK46 + Frenzy / GR9 + Killer also neatly coveres Tinkerer, if you enjoy that.

[icy jasper]

Yea on kill talents aren't practical for group play

[weak quail]

Solo memento has been some of the most fun i have had on this game

[weak quail]

I had GR9 in mind initially, as i like lmgs with 200 mag, good to know it’s decent.

Black Market M60 E6 is currently my best (stat wise) non named lmg, but i targeted lmgs to get some more

[hazy hull]

Engineer specialist with the under barrel laser that pulses

Sadist rifle

The hollow man mask
Guriella backpack with creeping death
Then chest knees holster and gloves OD

Or should I do Eclipse protectol with cataclysm mask

[solar sable]

for what purpose?

what content? which difficulty?

[hazy hull]

For an escalation build where most enemies are red health enemies

I'm thinking bleeding enemies and debuffing the battlefield for me and my teammates

[solar sable]

enemies in Escalation become immune to status effects when on low health so... I wouldn't advice doing a DoT build for Escal

If you wanna apply debuffs and help your team then EP CC can be an option, otherwise just run DPS

[lone glacier]

^

[worn mango]

Honestly yeah, probably it lol

[copper yarrow]

What did that guy do exactly?

[languid zenith]

What's the best dps build with as much hazard protection as possible

[hybrid leaf]

Hey guys. I never really use skill builds so this is a nub question... If I wanted to maximise effect duration of Banshee Pulse. What sub-attributes do I want on my gear? Status effect?

[versed summit]

Why? General recommendation is just not to have hazpro tbh

[versed summit]

Yep. Skill efficiency can do the same thing if that's an option.

Skill duration won't do anything for the disorient so it's not worth it either

[languid zenith]

Just want one, figured probably just a good backfire build

[versed summit]

No need for hazpro with backfire. After three reloads it won't bleed you anymore

[exotic talon]

this capacitor is competing with striker in damage

[versed summit]

How is striker set up?

[hybrid leaf]

If I used a ninja bike backpack with 3 piece core strength. What two other gear pieces would I use to try and make banshee pulse ridiculously overpowered? (goal = 100% CC up-time)

[versed summit]

Just use eclipse.

As enemies are killed you're spreading the CC and refreshing it's uptime.

[lone glacier]

That's a big doubt.

[versed summit]

You're going to have relatively similar crit and weapon damage, but you're losing the entire amp from strikers

[hybrid leaf]

Are pesti ticks affected by status effect stat?

[wanton hornet]

nope, wep damage

[hybrid leaf]

Ah yes that's right

If I had a status effect build.. What weapon would I use

[hexed steppe]

If they become immune to status wouldnt cc ep kinda be in the same boat as a bleed build 🤔

[exotic talon]

6 red equalizer overdogs

[versed summit]

How are you measuring DPS and what primary are you using?

[exotic talon]

eagle bearer, just eyeballing it in solo heroic lmfao

[echo tiger]

bighorn or st elmos 👀

[exotic talon]

no im using eagle bearer

[echo tiger]

prefer bighorn or st elmos

[solar sable]

yup yup, status effect builds will struggle a bit but I think it gives the team a bit of room to breathe and reposition before enemies become immune

Logic here is that DoT builds will most likely be useless since enemies have ridiculously high HP

[queen mauve]

Hey im wanting to run a shotgun build for like legendary and up but don't wanna use headhunter is a strikers sheriff build worth investing in

[solar sable]

Sheriff isn't really a main weapon in all means, I would rather use it as a backup. HHF is a build that's used in specific zones where the area is small enough to control with it

[queen mauve]

Hhf?

Also if you have a sniper build idea id like to hear that too

Or rifle build

[cunning crescent]

Weapon handling impacts recoil correct?

[cunning crescent]

I’m working on one. Pretty solid so far imo

1 mill + hs w trader rifle

No expertise

[subtle bluff]

Rav talent on armor plates.

[clever merlin]

Anyone here with the agitator try it out?

How was it

[queen mauve]

1+ million damage headshots

Is this what yr sayin

[clever merlin]

Remember there's an event right now that's inflating everyone's damage numbers

[cunning crescent]

Ahhhh

What’s the percentage increase?

I’m just getting started on pc after a few years of not playing. Not in the loop w events, modifiers, and all the game modes

[cunning crescent]

That’s what I’m using w the trader and laser link, I also have vigil bp, perf spotter, and cent holster

Feels pretty good

[clever merlin]

Nice

I like the SMG/shotty combo for weapon swaps but I did use AR/rifle combo before

[mint otter]

30%

Only weapon damage

Theirs a increase to headshot too among other stats

[cunning crescent]

I’m tryina to play into when the burst from the agitator is most needed….as something is closing in on you. In that case it feels like the smg and agitator would be used in similar ranges

[clever merlin]

I think agitator/interchange combo is good

[cunning crescent]

I will try it w versatile too

[weak quail]

It impacts stability yes, accuracy, swap speed and reload speed

[clever merlin]

Versatile is a must for weapon swap build imo

45% damage amp is crazy good

[cunning crescent]

Depends on engagement range tho

[clever merlin]

Thats why I just use shotgun/SMG combo so it's consistent

[cunning crescent]

May try the smg w the sheriff shotty

[clever merlin]

Feel like you don't need the range for sheriff

[cunning crescent]

THe damage tho

[clever merlin]

I use the custom m870? And use the other centurion buff to compensate for low mag size

[cunning crescent]

I see sweet dreams has been nerfed heavily over the years

Used to be my love when melee would stop healing

Now it’s damn near useless

[subtle bluff]

UH? Nothing been really changed. If nothing the DMG was buff and there’s a nerf to all shotgun reloads

[subtle bluff]

Melee still stop most things from using skill

[subtle bluff]

KSG is very close dmg wise to the m870 but has 12rds

[hexed steppe]

either is useless if the status only lasts a second or 2

mortar still works well tho, at least in lower levels

[solar sable]

I like the way you think, we should be friends

[lone glacier]

Imma try mortar build in t9 for the memes

[subtle bluff]

It gets them out of cover if nothing

[hexed steppe]

im hoping escalations get reclassified same as master/legs for matchmaking

kindof annoying MMing into someone's heroic escalation when they are all ninja builds or some other trash setup

i cant burn the world down like that

[lone glacier]

Just need to add t0 - t10 escals as a choice in mm

[lone glacier]

Honestly Im at the time where I just want to meme around in T9/T10s

[cunning crescent]

When it first came out it was a hard counter to the clutch berserk builds

[subtle bluff]

You should go to my build collectin in BiS and take a look at my off support..

[subtle bluff]

before my time. Clutch got nerf into the ground.

[cunning crescent]

Yea it needs a revival 🥹 when I first came back i tried to make it work. It was brutal

#makehealthgreatagain

[clever merlin]

I honestly just used the shotgun in my stash that had a reroll on talent so I put on back and forth on it

[subtle bluff]

oh I see, just another weapon to proc Back and Forth

[lone glacier]

Oh boy.. I found some builds I wanna try for the memes

[clever merlin]

I just SMG/shotgun both with back and forth

weapon swap with either HF umbra or HE

[subtle bluff]

One of them actually works very well.

[lone glacier]

Which one? I may give it a shot if I have all the pieces

[subtle bluff]

Jack of all Trades Support

Just has a learning curve to be able to use it all at once and you do swap skill and Birdies on and off.

[lone glacier]

👀 Imma give it a shot

[sinful yarrow]

Whats the power balance between heartbreaker and strikers? Ive heard that striker has better DPS but HB has more survivability

[lone glacier]

Striker will do the highest damage
HB is okay, but if you only care for damage its Striker all the way

[sinful yarrow]

is HB consistent? and you do you think that the survivability that HB give is meaningful?

[lone glacier]

Can't get hit if everything is dead

[onyx sage]

at high enough difficulties it starts to become impossible to trade damage

[willow sigil]

yes you will see a difference in survivability between hb and striker. you'll also see a difference in damage between hb and striker

[lone glacier]

At high difficulties you have to make sure health gate is your best friend

[sinful yarrow]

thanks for the help!

[real finch]

Hollowman or unit alloy mask?

[lone glacier]

For high tier escals? Hollowman

[subtle bluff]

No contractors

[real finch]

overdogs then?

[subtle bluff]

if you want a proto Ceska, but also if no one is using overdogs its not a bad idea to have one person one focusing the tiers down because 30% amp is to good. imo

[inland hound]

^^

[onyx sage]

honestly, i'd start running vigilance backpack and keep hollow man. if you want to keep striker backpack then overdogs is the best choice

[lone glacier]

I just use toasteys setup

[onyx sage]

it works

another bro fell

[subtle bluff]

God there out in force...

[solar sable]

@hexed steppe

[subtle bluff]

I modmail

[hybrid hazel]

Hi is there any tip of the spear build for skill damage

[subtle bluff]

It's really bad.

[cobalt peak]

any good ravenous builds?

[cobalt peak]

sadly i dont have overdogs yet due to rng being cruel (even while farming blueprints)

[soft crane]

You can use Coyote mask for the time being, then use named Zwiadowka gloves called Eagles' Grasp.

Also, whats a good rifle for my rifle DPS build? Someone said M16A2?

[cobalt peak]

right now i rock 3 core 2 zwia with ninjabike to get the accuracy boost for rav yeah, but that one sounds alot better,

would centurions be a decent idea too? like, 20% firerate and 20% weapon damage for free sounsd a lil better than coyote, but that just might be me

[soft crane]

Core Strength?

[cobalt peak]

yeahh, mask, holster, chest w zwia named gloves, then the knees

for the 30% handling to work with rav

[soft crane]

Zwiadowka gives enough weapon handling.

[cobalt peak]

the armor feels nice to pair with ravenous armor, but i kinda want some more damage

zwias handling is from the 3 piece yeah, unless you mean the gloves alone

3 core, 2 zwia with ninja, to get 4 core (chest included) and 3 zwia

[soft crane]

Call me crazy but I feel like most people who use Core Strength doesnt even know how it works.

[versed summit]

core is pretty mid for any form of damage tbh

[lone glacier]

Core is mainly a PvP set.

[versed summit]

content creators won't tell you that lol

[soft crane]

Too many people got jebaited by YouTubers.

The most damage you can get out of from Core Strength is to use 6 skill tiers and Capacitor for PvE.

[lone glacier]

Ngl I want to build a CS set for pvp.. anyone got one over on buildstation with a link?

[cobalt peak]

see i like CS for its 'versatility" so to say

alright damage, alright armor, alright skills, a true jack of all trades master of none

[subtle bluff]

I quote myself "CS a content creators wet dream"

I am so happy that I've seen A LOT less starting posting saying a build has 2 mill armor...

[versed summit]

not even jack of all trades, just master of none tbh

[cobalt peak]

the only time i actually made CS work unironically is on a tempest build

shield becomes near indestructible and you get 60% pistol damage and 100% threat

19mil shield hp, 85% repair on the artificer hive, 220k damage on tempest w 50/100 chc/chd

[next dawn]

a regen build is the only thing that I can think of XD

[versed summit]

HE regen or foundry makes more sense IMO

[versed summit]

ngl you have me interested, but did it actually draw any aggro?

[solar token]

are there any builds that are specifically useful/should be avoided for paradise lost?

i'm trying to guide some new friends but i myself am getting back into the game after like a half year off

[next dawn]

striker and future initiative and a foundry build are a must have to cover all roles for each boss area

[versed summit]

wtf

[next dawn]

wdym that what I been taught

[versed summit]

never have I ever wanted anyone to ponder the idea of a foundry build in incursion

[onyx sage]

i don't think anyone recommends foundry except ironically

[versed summit]

I came off to strong, but where have you heard that? and for where?

[onyx sage]

like striker and FI sure

[next dawn]

I asked the same question and they said its good to tank for the 3 boss to be the agro while everyone clears adds

[versed summit]

you don't need a tank for that though. you can do it as dps

[onyx sage]

that aggroed person can just run around, that person can also be the healer or 1 dps, foundry is super unnecessary

[next dawn]

a raid leader a long time ago

[next dawn]

that what i been taught just never question it lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx sage]

it's not like wright's attacks are hard to dodge to need foundry to tank it

[next dawn]

they arent hard lol just a few elder ring rolls

[versed summit]

don't trust that guy, he's not tapped in

[next dawn]

ngl i think you right

but they were a good raid leader

[subtle bluff]

my bio, showcase of how a incursion should be able to be done.

I love watching tanks still go down on wright... 😐

[solar token]

we got to the lovebirds. my perception of what went wrong was we couldn't kill shit fast enough, but it was my first time so i might be missing something. took a long time to damage one of them enough for the drone to swap, sniper turrets usually got a few shots off before we could kill them,

[next dawn]

I normally just run 3 striker and 1 FI

[subtle bluff]

Why do I like hurting myself on RMM...

[next dawn]

people always struggle with lovebirds its a tradition at this point

[subtle bluff]

Either 3 striker and FI for bosses or just 4 Striker all the way thru.

[versed summit]

4 striker on lovebirds? thats's wild

[subtle bluff]

because no one go try to actually learn what's going on.

[subtle bluff]

It's so easy now... power creep with just gear not even exp is nuts

[versed summit]

jeez

[onyx sage]

yellow striker sir

[next dawn]

ofc clear adds, target drone, go stage, first kill skip,murder Johnson = loot

[subtle bluff]

I had the boys do a full bulletking run...

[solar token]

i will pass this information on. thank you agents

[subtle bluff]

My bio has the video and more info with in that video

[limpid pelican]

toasteyxgod dropped a new video on paradise lost as well. it's like 30 mins but lots of good info in it

[cobalt peak]

as long as i keep shooting and within sight i usualy had agro from most shit, and i could tank like 3-4 tanks in mid-tiers escalation with this stuff without suffering to the shield

[subtle bluff]

ya it's pretty decent I wish I had time or the will do a good guide.. I explain it and teach it enough just video editing just isn't something I like doing.

[versed summit]

I should've known sir

[limpid pelican]

yeah i hear you. i was in the process of working on one, then i realized to fully do it justice it would be an entire project

[cobalt peak]

3 piece core str (chest included), 2 piece imminence with ninjabike, i went with 2 yellow cores (so 4 in total, +1 from backpack and +1 from technician) the rest all red

[limpid pelican]

thankful for people like toastey cause i was not doing that 😂

[cobalt peak]

you can go 6 yellow but i liked having a lil more damage

it doenst do a whole lot for the hive/shield beyond 4.

[subtle bluff]

TBH Raucey's video on Lovebirds is the best we have same with Hultcher's Wright one.

[limpid pelican]

facts. it's crazy how old they are as well. makes you wonder if people even go out of their way to find resources before trying. probably not

[subtle bluff]

There never looked at either but there actually the best.

[cobalt peak]

hits 240k body shots/467k crits, and im only at 500~ shd

[limpid pelican]

yep thats who i got a lot of info from early on was hutchler's

[cobalt peak]

625k/850k headshots

[subtle bluff]

that's still less than tech tanks

[versed summit]

yeah but you do have a bulwark and extra threat

[solar token]

so is there any use in a tank in paradise lost?

[versed summit]

no

[tulip charm]

zero

[cobalt peak]

it was mostly for trying to figure out somethign thatd make tempest work without either having a shield that breaks on a sneeze (like with a striker build) or not do any damage at all

[subtle bluff]

plz just go watch the showcase it'll show you. We don't even have full SHD guys in the run

[next dawn]

I been taught incorrectly no you dont need a tank at all

[cobalt peak]

for content where i need to hea lmyself i swap to 3 piece foundry, 2 piece imminence with obliterate chest and ninjabag, it makes my shield a lil more squishy but has amazing self-heals

and because you use your artificer hive + shield, it also means something like Lud gives ou an alright damage boost for longer ranged stuff

[versed summit]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18v_nO_Y1yQxQlSWNiIyf5j02rV0C4VKR_04ewNy1Duk/edit?usp=sharing

this can do a lot more damage, but won't have as good of a shield

[next dawn]

bulwark sheild + artificer hive is "chef's kiss"

[cobalt peak]

i wish we got D3FNC back

let us use SMG with bulwark and give it some offensive bonus

[subtle bluff]

There's a balance if things are dead they you don't need has tough of as shield

[cobalt peak]

but for now tempest will do

your shield literally broke the moment you faced more tha n1 enemy 😭

[subtle bluff]

me?

[cobalt peak]

in the vid you shared

[next dawn]

Offense is the best defense type shit

[subtle bluff]

I mean this leggo and I'm not on the best of builds for it.

[next dawn]

Hear me out Liberty on tech tank

[cobalt peak]

ok but i can still kill shit with my tempest on this build

imminence gives a 65% pistol buff which isnt nothin

[subtle bluff]

4man leggo on the better build for ot and taking it all at once.

[cobalt peak]

or i can just park my ass in a corner and pepper stuff with tempest while enemies only shoot me and my shield takes no damage

85% shield repair on artificer is huge

[subtle bluff]

Try that build on leggo zoo like I did. You'll have issues.

[cobalt peak]

aight bet

[subtle bluff]

You've also got to note the newer clip I'm actually holding a decent amount of threat

[next dawn]

thoughts

[cobalt peak]

took me about 3 minutes to clear the first area no issue

and that was on the foundry version with less damage /shield hp/repair than core str due to needing the armor repairs

[subtle bluff]

oh I forgot is that with modifiers?

[cobalt peak]

modifiers disabled

im only at 500~ shd so it could be a bit faster but thats purely for the offensive

[subtle bluff]

the SHD doesn't change the dps form there doesn't change it that much

[cobalt peak]

im onyl at 25 crit and weapon damage stats

so im still missing out on 10% crit and 5% weapon damage form the watch

[subtle bluff]

I have toon with no watch upgrading showcase without watch

to show what build thinking there missing isn't that big in the end.

[cobalt peak]

oh nah, im also again not saying itll always be better, pistol for example has a huge range issue

but tempest W 2 piece imminence and 3 foundry/core str is still really tanky despite having alright damage

[tired plover]

not having 10% chc and 20% chd ends up being a big determining factor in what pieces to pair with builds

[cobalt peak]

ehh for this build it wouldnt change a wholel ot

since no matte rwhat id run 3 piece core/foundry, 2 piece imminence nad ninjabike

the damage is just a bonus ontop of it

[tired plover]

ah i was saying in general. whatre you using that build for, just general use?

[cobalt peak]

if i wnna feel like a tank lmao

something satisfying about running bulwark with a full auto pistol, so i tried to make the best out of it

[tired plover]

are you stuck on using that pistol? because you could get good use out of a regen headshot bighorn build, and run 4 pfe mods with chill out mask

[cobalt peak]

bigshot wouldnt really function with bulwark though

it was purely to pair with bulwark for the 'riot shield + pistol' combo

[tired plover]

well yeah bulwark aside, if you're looking to run around aimlessly and laugh at everything, i think you'd have better luck with something like that

[next dawn]

liberty give more shield regen but thats just me i see the appeal of the tempest

[cobalt peak]

if we had a full auto toggle for any pistol so that i wouldnt get artritis from using bulwark with any high rate of fire pistol i wouldnt be stuck on tempest

liberty is nice yeah, esp to get more regen, but with core str you really dont need it

[next dawn]

for sure

[tired plover]

the only reason i mentioned big horn is because of the headshot talent, you'd see pretty decent dps numbers while still running a tank build

[cobalt peak]

if we had a full auto toggle for pistols id prolly run someting like the custom card with fast hands, or even the quickstep

no talent but 20% movespeed with bulwark shield up feels really good

[next dawn]

why not 2 golan?

[cobalt peak]

oh nah its why i got lud on, since my skills are never really on cooldown i have a permanent 47% weapon damage boost

[cobalt peak]

2 piece imminence with ninjabike gets you 65% pistol damage + 100% threat increase

[next dawn]

ah going more into pistol

and threat

I use golan for more regen and armor

[subtle bluff]

No watch. Random loot striker and only m4 being maxed I missing a decent amount in this build.

oh I didn't use all the gear slot mods too..

[cobalt peak]

just tird it again, 2:13~ from 1st engagement to opening objective completed

[tired plover]

lmao yeah it's gonna work regardless. im just saying when you start trying to run contractors, fox's, bloody knuckles, overdogs, thats when your crit numbers really drop

and it's annoying to build around

[subtle bluff]

If you look again I missing a ton of CHC and CHD in this run.

[cobalt peak]

i still dont like overdogs for how situational they are

[subtle bluff]

even if the uptime of overdogs is 1/2 the time it does more.

[cobalt peak]

i just dont like the idea that an enemy hiding in the back of hte map can just screw over my damage bonus

[subtle bluff]

It's not a enemy that'll do if anything

It'll be a skill proxy if nothing

[cobalt peak]

true true

uploading that zoo opening video, might take a minute or so for youtube to process it

[subtle bluff]

in heroics it's w/e

[tired plover]

yeah you're going to clear regardless with striker. just have to spec into chc more

[cobalt peak]

my time would prolly be a bit faster but i cant hit headshots for shit

[subtle bluff]

I mean yes and no. Missing the point.

[tired plover]

you're minus 40% chd flat with no watch due to having to put crit hit chance mods in with meta backfire incursion builds

as well as having to probably run a ceska piece instead of salvo, or lose even more chd by putting chc on striker pieces

[cobalt peak]

i miss a shit ton of shots and most are bodyshots which are user error but it stilll shows the build

[subtle bluff]

Hey you did the same thing I did ran to the side to control your flank.

[cobalt peak]

i could get more healing out of my artificer if i swapped my blues to yellows which wouldnt change a whole lot for foundry, but yeah

oh nah i get that, the convo was more so that you'd get 'more' out of a skilltank vs bulwark + tempest

while theyre quite on par really

[subtle bluff]

You can see what's not max and maxed.

[tired plover]

show stats

[subtle bluff]

In that section to a degree I guess. Try the next section.

[cobalt peak]

core strength gets even better numbers but has no armor repair at all so youre at the mercy of your team having some kind of repair

[tired plover]

and look. you're running ceska, which is almost required without max watch

[subtle bluff]

what about incursion?

[tired plover]

no equalizer, no overdogs. make a meta build and you have to run more chc mods. your chd will be under 100%

[cobalt peak]

my point was also that i could tank 4 grenades to the face and only lose 75% shield hp, while your shield folded to what seems like a single grenade near the end of your clip

[tired plover]

havent even added salvo into the picture either

[cobalt peak]

also the armor regen from foundry is top notch for messups like that

i could evne go so far as to drop 30% crit damage for 30% protection from elite and be even more fine

[cobalt peak]

huh, curious, whats the firerate on that gun? cause i got 176k weapon damage with the imminence 3 piece

[subtle bluff]

missing 10 ish WD too

[tired plover]

exactly my point. im not arguing saying that it can't work or is terrible, but theres a few things worth mentioning to a player in this scenarior

i.e. practically being locked to running 1p ceska,

[subtle bluff]

And it'll still be fine incursion

[tired plover]

of course it's fine it's striker. im not arguing with you, im just adding to the point that builds are different in this case

[subtle bluff]

The point the build numbers not being prefect isn't gonna effect the overall gameplay the than player.

[cobalt peak]

like if i swapped to a tech-striker i could get really higher numbers (as i had ran striker-tempest before) but i didnt like how squishy the shield becomes

[tired plover]

it'll 100% effect gameplay

[cobalt peak]

hunters fury also felt quite interesting but the armor repair felt useless with bulwark

[tired plover]

things will be different entirely. you can't tank things on health like max watch can

your builds will be different entirely

[subtle bluff]

uh....

I just showed without a watch.. I have to go slower.

[tired plover]

you showed a heroic solo mission lol. show the difference between soloing tanker drones no watch no expertise and expertise 30 backfire

[subtle bluff]

That a knowledge issues. You don't need to tank drones on tanker. LOL

[tired plover]

i think we're arguing two totally different things, and i'm really not arguing against your point. theres just nuance to playing with low watch

[subtle bluff]

We are, I'm on your page now

Since incursion is my thing.

[tired plover]

same. i've done incursions on brand new alts and 30 expertise. u definitely dont have the same pull on that low level, that's all i was really getting at

not u obviously, just in general. good chat though i like what you've tested

[subtle bluff]

I mean for RMM LFG group I stopped used Backfire so I can carry more with MG5

[tired plover]

yeah backfire doesnt always shine in those cases. ive been doing the same

[subtle bluff]

Like the only place I use BF now is Lovebirds.

[tired plover]

i hear you, i've definitely came to the same conclusions lately. stacks drop off in tanker due to slower wave spawns, and wright with no healer you'll catch yourself dying to bleed sometimes lol

or at least i have 🤐

[subtle bluff]

Wright is super easy just super stack on wright with it all

[tired plover]

good point

[subtle bluff]

I just rather take the one shot on wright at the last phase.

But that's because how hard sometimes I have to carry some of these RMM groups.

BF works great on Wright. It's easier to do forsure.

[tired plover]

lol yep it can get pretty tough. i've been doing that as well, but with no overcharge healer i end up praying it's a leg weakspot, or not running it and sticking to backfire

[subtle bluff]

I have 3 skill teirs to get 2 marks

[tired plover]

ooo interesting. you mind sharing the build you run when u get the chance?

[subtle bluff]

funny enough again goes to a point of there a balance in some levels

It's just 2 piece reroll to skill teir

[tired plover]

ah okay. cheers

[subtle bluff]

Tech spec and DCH all HSD build.

[tired plover]

yep that makes sense

i'll have to give that a shot

[subtle bluff]

The build was made for groups that can't do the last phase right..

Solo pull everything and still shoot the last phase

[tired plover]

hahaha now we're in my territory

thats cool bro i appreciate the info

[subtle bluff]

I normally still get OD ammo for the pistol to be able to do well otherwise it's like only 135 mill dmg

If look thru my video on the YT there a really crazy carry run I did

[tired plover]

i'm gonna have to farm some striker, looking through right now and need 1 more piece for that skill tier

[subtle bluff]

If you go look. Start to finish.
Hella cloud farm but my hardest carry and quickest.

[tired plover]

i gotta start screenshotting mine from matchmaking 😭

[mild flame]

bullet king isn't my favorite LMG, but damn it speed farms the shit out of stuff on heroic paired with a good striker build. Is there anything that speed farms faster? It's almost an easy button.

[subtle bluff]

There a lot more.

[subtle bluff]

I clipped the whole run

[grand girder]

chatterbox nego demolishs heroic stuff fast

[crystal flax]

Can anyone help with a build that includes the capacitator

[solar sable]

need more details, what kind of build and pvp or pve?

[crystal flax]

PvP, I want something a bit more styled for a quick play style

[solar sable]

better ask in #td2-pvp-discussions then

[crystal flax]

Ok thanks!

[formal wharf]

I finally got the equaliser chest , now what holster should I get ?

[hazy steeple]

If you keep the equa, swap the holster for strikers, and go for the OverDogs gloves, you have the ideal meta setup for non incursion/escalation.

SMG choice is debatable, but meh, good enough.

[formal wharf]

Okay ill farm the gloves

Ta

[hazy steeple]

I will say, the meta-meta choice will be only crit stats on all the pieces, so they're all red.

lets you get close to the hard chc (crit chance) cap of 60%, and pour the rest into CHD (crit damage).

[formal wharf]

Ok awesome thank you

[iron flame]

Is it better to target farm UA or Chestpiece from countdown for the equalizer?

[livid sorrel]

brands always for named pieces

[hazy steeple]

^Always go for the brand, "type" is only useful for Exotics.

[iron flame]

Okay fair just been having poor luck it seems then

[halcyon sentinel]

you saying that you will get 10 piece of that, like my chain killer lol

[teal ibex]

is there an setup different then what u described for incursion?
i tried basic meta build u described with elmo. i faired well since u kill before being killed.
yet at the the 2nd boss. i died rather often due sniper turret(tried kill it first) and ads spawnin.

so its like survivalibilty issue? not so much skill i would say due the constant overrun on that part.

fyi. 500shd or so. friend about 400 and 500. with 1 5k person. its below shd lvl i kno. expertise my own is 15 rn.

we tried it due event boost :p

is this solely due being low shd and not have expertised gear?

[subtle bluff]

No. Need to do the fight correctly.

In my bio there a showcase of how incursion is done.

[slender cradle]

gonna be trying out tipping scales gear set. gotta get that set proficient

[rain fox]

Tipping scales has replaced my best striker build that's almost full proto I'm using the chest, bag overdogs and salvo holster with 14 expertise on my lmg and it's beating my proto lex I even put the proto lex as my secondry for when I run out of ammo and I'm hitting 1.7 mil and over at max tipping scale stack it's wild

[fair dragon]

Running out of ammo = bad, btw

[rain fox]

No because the secondry it's harder I use lmg and when I run out of ammo because I hold the trigger down full game and still come out of the mission with ammo on atleast my ar

This my current endgame build if you never used tipping scales give this a try

[subtle bluff]

Drop TS Chest.

[rain fox]

Wouldn't I lose alot of damage tho

[solar sable]

Equalizer/The Sacrifice are far better

[rain fox]

What they've been tested yes

[subtle bluff]

Over time no you would gain more total dmg.

[solar sable]

you reach peak dps without TS chest 5 seconds sooner

[rain fox]

OK well it's seems its not worth having chest then because it doesn't semm that muvh different and will take me less time to full stack

I'll put the eqaulizer on thanks

[solar sable]

add fast stack decay to the equation

[rain fox]

This is why I like coming to these chats you learn something new more or less every time appreciate the info

[lavish sundial]

running striker CHC/CHD just wanted to ask if running a equalizer or a ceska chest with normal obliterate and 8% CHC is better overall

[solar sable]

are u low on CHC? what weapon are u using?

[lavish sundial]

50% carbine 7

[solar sable]

you should be at around 57% unless not optimized

[lavish sundial]

all my gear is optimized if i want more CHC i my need ti swap mods or my chest

[rain fox]

I just run 1 crit chance mod to make it up

[solar sable]

you should be at these stats

unless youre not shd 1k or have CHC and CHD bonuses

ignore m870 there

[rain fox]

On my striker that setup gets me to 55chc and about 110 chd it's perfect for me

[subtle bluff]

You should get the new copy button

[solar sable]

fk youre right

[lavish sundial]

im not running overdogs just to try something diffrent

[exotic talon]

investor goes hard

[flint arch]

but sir the quality sucks

||(i actually edited this to make it low quality please forgive me sir)||

[fringe walrus]

Is investor actually good? I’ve been thinking about trying it

[flint arch]

for dps builds it's like 100+ exo components or more just to be slightly better and more consistent than coyotes

[exotic talon]

only if youre unlucky lol

[subtle bluff]

wtf....

[exotic talon]

i got my yellow core triple red in like 20 rolls

[flint arch]

give me your luck

[exotic talon]

its also great for % armor regen when you have enough damage/crit elsewhere

[flint arch]

i feel like it would be better in something like say an IH tank, but im not too sure, all i know is that i wouldn't use a blue investor on a DPS build

[exotic talon]

you can do like, red core chc armor regen hazpro

chc gives you +10% chd, blue attributes give you 2% armor regen

investor enables hybrid builds on its own without sacrificing your primary role, core strength makes the secondary role even better

[spark mortar]

damn i got smoked, swapped over from my defensive chest to an equalizer and was turned into swiss cheese 🥀

what am i doing wrong

(striker, overdogs, equalizer)

[patent fossil]

Letting yourself get shot

Peek around tall cover so you can only see one enemy, shoot them in the head to stagger them, keep an eye on where everyone is and reposition quickly if you get flanked

[spark mortar]

i do have the exodus gloves but i need to get them proficient

probably a better choice

[iron flame]

DO u have a ACS-12 or a variant?

[hollow mantle]

any advice this build is good or not ?

[weak quail]

That sounds Like the only investor i got

[exotic talon]

it is great with capacitor

[weak quail]

Noted, will check it again when im on

Im pretty new so i have just been stockpiling all the exotics i get and always equip something new to rank them up while trying to find some synergy in my options

[urban latch]

Check the pinned Google doc, there's a bunch of build guides in there. Rigger is generally one of the weakest gearsets in the game.

[weak quail]

If i recall correctly it doesn’t have a gear mod slot but 3 attributes instead?

[exotic talon]

this is my build, it goes pretty insane

[weak quail]

Is there any use in exuro either? I hate how useless the flame sentry seems.

[exotic talon]

yeah no mod slot but three attributes + gives extra stat bonuses depending on attribute color
red gives +10% chd, blue +1% armor regen, i think yellow was skill efficiency?

triple red gets you +42% chd including the 12% attribute

[urban latch]

Not really, the cooldown and uptime for the flame turret just makes it not really worth it. Eclipse is drastically better for a cc build

[weak quail]

Oh yeh for sure i think that’s the only one i got, sounds familiar

[weak quail]

That’s what it felt like to me too

[weak quail]

And the fact that they become immune to fire (eg. Chunga) after a while. Had me wondering

[weak quail]

Core strength eh? Heard people say it was mostly good on pvp only. To me it seems like a solid all around pick, stat wise. Which knee pads are those?

[exotic talon]

turmoil

[hollow mantle]

rlly sad bcs i love cluster minew and this gear gives me a lot of exp for kill if 1 mine deals 5mln dps

[urban latch]

If you want a seeker build go with hardwired. There's a guide specifically for using it in the raid in the doc, but you can easily tweak it for seekers. That said seeker mines aren't that strong but they do alright at lower difficulty stuff.

[weak quail]

I second what raucey said above, hard wired can make you spam seeker mines non stop when set up right (which isn’t hard)

[weak quail]

I dont think i have ever seen them. Named ones? What’s the gold perk?

Ah it’s event item like quickstep and cool mask? And from a different pool than those as well?

[exotic talon]

it splits your damage between your target and a random enemy within 30m

[halcyon crater]

only obtainable from stretch goals or other events with same loot pool

[halcyon crater]

also please don't use CS in pve, it's actually so bad

[weak quail]

Thought so, i don’t even like how they don’t have a “niche” to them anyway, like a certain play-style attached as a specialty of sorts

[exotic talon]

ok i can see the police m4 ones being worse but you basically gimped the capacitor one by going nbb

can someone who can actually theorycraft try out my build, preferably without turmoil

[weak quail]

Also that picture can’t stop me cause i can’t read it

Generally i use refactor for skill build / medic. Striker for dps and ongoing directive when i want status

[halcyon crater]

what is your exact build?

[exotic talon]

skills are for expertise, and im going to replace turmoil for plain ceska

otherwise i actually run this

could also go cs mask overdogs

[rain fox]

By going with a ninja bike on core strength you get 22% weapon damage and then a extra 7.5 from capacitor then 15% from the red core so you get about 44.5% weapon damage from it or is my calculation wrong would also be same from a momento and then some

[strong cave]

Yeah but Total Weapon Damage and Weapon Damage aren't the same. Which is what Vigi + Obliterate give

They both give TWD. Core Strength gives none of that

[subtle bluff]

It's not anything special

[rain fox]

OK I'm not good with calculations in the division but I would like to be able to calculate burst and sustain on a weapon what is the formula

Do I take base weapon damage fire rate and mag size and add them up or something

[patent fossil]

There are calculators linked in the pinned spreadsheet

[rain fox]

Oh OK nice thanks alot

[strong cave]

Kinda, yes. There is a calculator in the spreadsheet like Kettle mentioned that will calculate things for you. Pretty handy tool

[rain fox]

Ye i just want to know what weapon would provide good damage because I want to start using some weopond I used to use back in the day like honey badger ctar and stuff but if they can't compete no point

[strong cave]

The end all be all answer to making any automatic weapon good: Striker

And who said CTar doesn't compete?

might have to proc a talent on an opp talking shiii on my beloved CTar

Honey badger is understandable tho since it lacks a mod slot. Hence why the F2k got knocked off as well

[patent fossil]

They did a few rebalancing passes and most things are pretty close these days

[strong cave]

SMGs are still in a horrible spot tho

[patent fossil]

People will always find the 'best' of course, but the variations between best and worst aren't so big. But yeah, smgs not so great.

[strong cave]

Haven't seen an SMG build recommended since backfire got buffed

That and every single season so far has favored AR/LMG/MMR playstyle

[rain fox]

Ye I'm not hating on ctar that weapon carried me through the early game

[strong cave]

CTar is up there with the top weapons to use now. Slightly less damage than all the other +900 RPM guns but the accuracy is so good

[rain fox]

Just wondering if it can keep up with lexington as that's my current main weapon on most of my builds

[strong cave]

Sadly, lex is top dog in all things AR for the most part

[exotic talon]

im not saying its the second coming of christ or something i just think capacitor core strength deserves better representation than a ninjabike build

[strong cave]

Unfortunately tho in order to get the most up front bonuses, ninjabike would be the way to go. Stacking long term is the chore part

[exotic talon]

cs bp having three cores lets you use any other exotic you want, including overdogs

[rain fox]

OK I'll stick with it then but accuracy and stability are overlooked by alot of people it makes a hug difference if you can hit anything you ain't getting you max potential

[strong cave]

Core Strength bag giving no talent but just 3 cores now makes it worth less than Ninjabike (or Harrier or even Memento in this case)

[strong cave]

This, 1000%. Give CTar a touch again, it's up there I promise

[exotic talon]

it lets you get the core strength triple dip without wasting your exotic slot

[rain fox]

Will do maybe I have 1 laying around with some expertise on

[subtle bluff]

Why does someone need to try the build? Just get your DPS numbers and that’ll reference the build.

[strong cave]

True there is that. I personally think it's a no brainer to go ninjabike or Memento on a build like that. If anything I would go ninja on that build. It's already one of those builds that are building wide, so may as well try to claim back building tall. I ran a setup that was 3 core, providence chest with Oblit, and I used Picaro's holster. Around 55% CHC and about 130 CHD. Was seeing maybe 330k - 750k even with Ninjabike. Didn't bother trying any other setup as 4 piece core feels like a major waste even with Memento. Didn't try it with Harrier Pride for even more obvious reasons

[exotic talon]

because im not at home to get the numbers myself? and i never said someone needs to, but i just cant defend the build myself at the moment

[hexed steppe]

Memento would be better if think

[strong cave]

It performed barely in PvE, but that's because anything can clear PvE in the right hands. In pvp I had a different experience altogether which resulted in 2 fun games and me quitting due to how cheesy it is

[exotic talon]

i wonder how memento interacts with core strength

does it only take the actual cores into account?

[ivory abyss]

CS for me and things ive tried was decently good in pvp (conflict) anyway but for anything PVE related there was just no way to justify using it lol the damage was wayyyyy too low in any configuration

[subtle bluff]

It’s CS build.. that in itself is whatever build wise fun and something different.

[rain fox]

Momento is basically the same deal but you get extra weapon damage plus bonus armour and regen

[hexed steppe]

Calling the build peak kinda invites scrutiny tho, so it would be good to at least know why its peak

[strong cave]

On core strength, long term wise it would be. But you try stacking up memento at a quick enough pace that isn't a slow crawl

[subtle bluff]

The only cores are on the gear….

[exotic talon]

if this is directed at me i just call anything remotely fun peak lmfao

[rain fox]

That's my pick on my core strength I'm just losing the skill tier from the picaro

[subtle bluff]

Even Tech Spec isn’t a core.

[rain fox]

And 20% assault from unit alloy

[strong cave]

I don't think that would be the way to go with a build like that

[exotic talon]

cs stat boosts are based on cores and the game is built on spaghetti code, it wouldnt be shocking if memento got to triple dip

[somber yarrow]

really? I was following a guide

[subtle bluff]

Yes there only up to 5 other cores.

[strong cave]

Who's guide?

[exotic talon]

i think with shield + revive hive you can afford to drop pfe and go for more brand sets

[strong cave]

In this case I would suggest a complete rebuild. They've butchered it where pieces aren't exactly salvageable

[flint arch]

my guide to completely burn yourself out at endgame in 5 minutes

[exotic talon]

im going to try remaking my cs build with nbb over investor, still gonna keep the chest though

[wanton hornet]

If I swap my core backpack for memento then I also need to drop my waveform for core. Not sure which would be better. Lots of skill dmg or running around for some skill effeciency.

[somber yarrow]

one post on reddit called My Favorite legendary build by a guy called SchwaggyDog

[strong cave]

You'd ideally want Ceska as your chest, Grupo as your gloves, fox's prayer kneepads, tinkerer mask, and then Palisades backpack with bloodsucker. Intimidate chest talent is fine. Drop the PFE mods. Ditch killer, run Pummel instead

[exotic talon]

efficiency also affects damage

[strong cave]

Yeah there's your problem. You're following a reddit thread

Plus PFE in legendary is inherently pointless as you'll still die all the same if your positioning choices are bad

[exotic talon]

a reddit post by literally who

[uncut yarrow]

SchwaggyDog

[strong cave]

SchwaggyDog sounds like a guy who only plays on Sundays from 10 - 16 because that's all his wife lets him have

[exotic talon]

only plays 2 hours per season because he has like 10 kids and each one goes to a different school and has different hobbies

gamer dads are so funny

[strong cave]

If you want a decent shotgun setup, @solar sable or I can give you a solid setup

[strong cave]

You're not far off from a decent setup with what you got now

[exotic talon]

i just use hf obliterate overdogs with pummel

[uncut yarrow]

With what, dark winter or something?

[strong cave]

Pummel = shotgun talent

[exotic talon]

shotgun talent that reloads on kill, so you can keep the hf disorient going indefinitely

its like the sociopath perk deck from payday 2

survivability through fear

[uncut yarrow]

I didnt realize hunters fury buffs shottys too

Just as long as you can actually kill with a shotgun

[strong cave]

I went with high end because tinkerer opens up 2 shotgun talents which are incredibly strong. Plus I can use 5 other pieces that help give me unique bonuses. I pair it with Intim + Bloodsucker and use firewall shield. My shotgun quite literally never needs to reload and hits for 1.5m crits, sometimes 2m if I hit heads. And I have 1.5m armor

Brazen + Pummel on a KSG is a very hard combo to drop

CHC around 60, CHD around 170

[rain fox]

Sounds nice where do you get the ksg from I only have the named version is there a vendor who sells should I just run countdown

[exotic talon]

does tinkerer prevent you from using gear sets or is it just not preferred

[strong cave]

I'm getting amp off intimidate, amp off brazen, weapon damage off pummel and it's reloading my shotgun. Enemies die in 1-4 shots

[rain fox]

Ye 36% amp wild

[strong cave]

On hunters fury, both the backpack and the chest are useless. Making any other slot incompatible

[exotic talon]

can you drop the build

[exotic talon]

i like the hf backpack but i recognize a talent would be better

[rain fox]

Proto mac I'm using the headhunter version do you think your is the better option

[exotic talon]

oh also this is my "meta" hf build but i screw around with ridgeway's and eagle's grasp or whatever

[strong cave]

On shotguns the only viable chest talent IS intimidate. Which requires bonus armor. 2 ways to get that, bloodsucker or Ad Rush. Which Ad Rush is timed. Bloodsucker is on kill. And will give way more top end bonus armor and has no distance limitation

Lemme find the template

[exotic talon]

noted

[somber yarrow]

yes please, what i need to change from my current build?

[uncut yarrow]

He boutta drop some loot on us in a second for shotgun builds

I didnt even realize people made shotgun builds anymore lol

[rain fox]

Ye I'll have a look at yours not to keen on my hh version it's to weak I get killed fast

[strong cave]

It's very slept on. I put 1 person onto it and they refuse to change the setup

[rain fox]

You using perfect intimidate?

[somber yarrow]

me?

[rain fox]

Whoever has the hf build I want to replace my head hunter version have to hit headshots for it to be viable and it's not my play stylr

[somber yarrow]

no, I want to change the body armor for walker harris but cant find any with two red cores and intimidate as attribute

[rain fox]

Best thing to do is run countdown 1 run on targeted loot usually does it for me

[strong cave]

@exotic talon @somber yarrow @rain fox @uncut yarrow

[exotic talon]

danke

[strong cave]

If you're good with it, ditch revive hive and run something like defender drone

[exotic talon]

what were the brand set boosts btw

[rain fox]

Nice didn't think about fire wall let me put this together and try it appreciate it

[exotic talon]

and can i go 6 red

[strong cave]

You can but then it becomes no different than running headhunters fury. This is for crit lovers

In this case you could go 3/3 or 4/2

[rain fox]

Try get piece with minor attributes bang on then you can roll the main core as you need

[exotic talon]

sombra is chd and palisade is ammo on kill, inch resting
what brand is ammo dump

[strong cave]

Badger Tuff. Gives shotgun damage. Also, ammo dump boosts your ammo too

[exotic talon]

sick

[strong cave]

With Brazen + Pummel you literally never need to reload

[exotic talon]

why not go for 3pc badger tuff

[strong cave]

3 kills even with THAT much armor is as simple as 1 pump to the chest. They die that quickly

[exotic talon]

it has more armor on kill than palisade

[strong cave]

You're trading up a lot of damage going that route

Could go 2 piece sure. 3 piece is a waste

[strong cave]

Just triple checked. Going 3 piece is a waste

You're gaining 5% more AoK but youre trading up 2 other pieces you could use for slots for better bonuses

That and the 2 piece badger bonus is only 5% more armor. Trash

[exotic talon]

well one of them would be palisade so youre only trading one piece

but youre right about the 2 piece bonus

[strong cave]

So you'd trade up Palisade (10% AoK) and 1 other slot. Grupo or Fox's, take your pick

I can tell you exactly what you're trading off going 3 Badger

[weak quail]

On that class i found firestarter amazing for cc

[rain fox]

To get armour on kill you need to be doing high damage to get your kills

[weak quail]

Burn duration does wonders

[strong cave]

Going 3 Badger, assuming you're trading up either Grupo or Fox's, is either CHD or DTTOC. Both extremely valuable. But, you're gaining only 5% more armor and 5% more armor on kill. In this case, you're better off doing MORE damage (Grupo + Fox's DTTOC) and having 5% less AoK. 10% is plenty. You also have bloodsucker. More AoK is not needed

[weak quail]

Doesnt AoK fall off in group play anyway?

[strong cave]

Damage would be the best decision in this case, which is why my setup is set up exactly that way. There is also diminishing returns for damage, or some situations where it wouldn't be as consistent as some other setup

[rain fox]

Exactly your build seems perfect for me I'm making it right now

[strong cave]

If you're not killing, yeah it's useless

[strong cave]

You COULD go with Grupo backpack (good luck rolling that to blue + crits + bloodsucker) and take Blue core Contractors gloves. But not every enemy has armor. But every enemy can be hit with a Crit

Hence why I decided not to go contractors and instead went Grupo. More front end crit. Which allowed me to take either Liquid Engineer or Palisades. Liquid gives more bonus armor and passive Regen. But technically AoK is better in this case since it's also a form of Regen

[rain fox]

Ye I'll build it same but might have to shift pieces around depending on what I have in stash I'm short on mats so I can't afford to optimise but I'll make it work

[strong cave]

And since everything dies between 1 - 4 shots... Well... AoK and Bloodsucker should be very fun

I've done extensive testing with this shotgun setup. You can run as many blues or red as you want. Perfect for duos as well. Trios and Squads, it starts to fall off. Not a legendary build either

[weak quail]

If i were to do 99% of the damage but someone else gets the finishing bullet and i don’t get rewards for it then yeah it falls off imo

[rain fox]

Ye I'm going to find pieces with chc and chd all ready on them and roll the core so I can add more damage if I ever want it

Is foxes dtoc

[teal ibex]

imma look at it when home

[rain fox]

Because If I'm using a shot gun with foxes prayer and it gives dtoc then I should put damage to health on my shotgun shouldn't I so I have all 3 dta, dth and dtoc

[weak quail]

Yea and brand bonus is rifle damage

[rain fox]

OK nice I just have to get all pieces now

[weak quail]

If you target loot its brand set i think it makes it easier to find. But i could be wrong

That being overlord armament, burning sword icon

[rain fox]

Ye need to farm all the pieces he posted not a single 1 in my stash that matches rip

[dusty walrus]

Yes, for named Items, its always best to target the brand, because there are only 6 + named items, in contrast to the 30+ kneepads or smth

[weak quail]

That’s what i thought, cheers

[reef crystal]

i have seen a lot of people say the Lexington is the best while on the spreadsheet the numbers seem on the low end can someone explain why?

[flint arch]

technically stuff like chameleon and strega will deal more damage than lex, but they have massive caveats. a lexington is the most consistent

that consistency is what makes the lexington win

[tropic kayak]

also, lexington is ~5% better than an equivalent police m4 and has a different skin

[flint arch]

3.8%

[tropic kayak]

from wiki:
It is a Named variant of the Police M4, featuring innate +5% Weapon Damage and the appearance of an LVOA-C Rifle. It can be obtained with any Assault Rifle Talent.

[reef crystal]

Sorry i was just looking at the damage number on the sheet and comparing to other ar's but i guess it is just because having a high rpm is good

[flint arch]

the wiki is outdated in various aspects and is generally not a reliable source of info

[tropic kayak]

not in this particular case 🙂

[next dawn]

Someone need to update that

[tropic kayak]

but in general - yes, a bit outdated..

[copper yarrow]

Any improvements I can make to this build?

[flint arch]

umbra is not generally used for pve, yee yee ahh boring strikers is better
but if you just want to know improvements to this build, i recommend a ceska bag with vigilance

[fair adder]

if proto cant be used on pvp, incursions/raid, what is it for?

[flint arch]

mainly for escalation

[lone glacier]

^

[fair adder]

so you farm escalation to build proto, then use said protos to keep farming escalation in an endless loop XD

[ivory abyss]

yup

[flint arch]

basically

[patent fossil]

plus it'll make legendaries, retaliations etc even quicker and easier