td2-build-advice

[vague zodiac]

OD doesnt work too well. You are relying on 1 mag of hollow-point ammo to kill a boss, if that didnt work out then you're a guy without anything special.

Like I tried it in Escalation several times and the last boss fight just doesnt work too well.

[smoky latch]

Od is great if you use it where it's supposed to be used. High tier Escalations is the wrong place

[vague zodiac]

If it can't beat escalation it is just for fun basically, I don't see a point using it.

[cosmic idol]

I’m struggling to do damage with Chameleon. I’m copying a YouTuber’s build and have relatively the same attributes on gears, but I am only around SHD level 500. Any other gear or gear set I should use to help with Chameleons damage and range?

[violet saddle]

Theres a mask that helps with optimal range, forgot what its called.. maybe visionario?

[vague zodiac]

At 500SHD heartbreaker is the best, thats what made me survive from 500shd to 800shd, after that u can play striker.

[vague zodiac]

Optimal range is a trap in this game. u can go to shooting range and see how far u can see and how far u can shoot.

[ivory abyss]

Chameleon relies on the talent for damage so if you are not doing the headshots and body shots and triggering the talent then it wont be as good as who you are watching

[shy willow]

YouTubers are notoriously unreliable

[vague zodiac]

Or just basically pinpoint a place on the map, the hud shows the distance, and see how far u actually engage enemies.

[shy willow]

It's more than likely the video you saw assumed a best case scenario, probably had team buffs and all cham buffs and max stacks etc etc

Ofc at 500 shd you'll hit slightly less hard but it's nothing too drastic

[vague zodiac]

At shd lvl 500 or lower u would engage at usually 20 to 30 meters, coz u dont hurt and u die fast (assuming u're playing heroic). Thats why the coyote mask comes in this shd level. after that coyote mask is also useless. Endgame is about amplified damage. before that its just crit chance crit damage.

[shy willow]

?

[smoky latch]

That's nonsense, SHD has nothing to do with playstyle.

[vague zodiac]

Yeah, I recall seeing the Negotiator Dilemma build playing legendary mission, but literally every gameplay footage is playing the easiest legndary mission, the hyena one, which can be beaten easily.

[hexed steppe]

Read my mind

[shy willow]

Easiest legendary but still significantly more difficult than any heroic

Fast to complete simple encounters, nice benchmark

[lone glacier]

Your first problem is using a YT build

[shy willow]

In any case I don't think we should be telling newer players to take fights at long range and exclusively run heartbreaker

[cosmic idol]

I wanna like the Chameleon. I just can’t justify using it compared to good ole St Elmo’s striker build. That’s why I wanted input on the Chameleon

[lone glacier]

Chameleon is just a SMG that tries to be an AR a bit too hard

[shy willow]

It sounds contradictory because we tell new players to run striker all the time but that's because it's easy to use, put together and do good damage

Heartbreaker assumes people have technician/laser pulse unlocked and so on, along with it being a mid pick

If survivability is the concern I'd wholeheartedly recommend hunters fury, it's a great set for that

[lone glacier]

Strikers works well even at SHD 2 and will force you to learn everything that there is to learn about the game. Health gating, pixel peeking etc etc

[shy willow]

There's not really a specific place where it shines in honesty

It does look cool as hell though so it's got that going for it

[vague zodiac]

Its the only build that lets u survive in countdown for lower level players tbh. U could run umbra but u kinda need to go back to cover and heal a lot. Like new players need a build to play countdown that lets them grow and farm, btw also telling veterans of this game to not kick shd lvl low players, like keep a few, just to help those new players out.

[cosmic idol]

Man, that’s a bummer. The talent sounds really good on paper.

[shy willow]

It is great on paper, just unfortunately super impractical

[hoary raptor]

4p strikers (with backpack) coyotes mask and equaliser body is the easiest go to for good dps, roll chance close to 55-60 and then rest CD

[shy willow]

I was running striker at SHD 200, SHD is not a confounding variable

[hexed steppe]

Hb is just a bad set compared to a really easy to use striker. Not to mention its way easier to setup a build.. New players should keep a revive handy and not try and lead the pack in cd

[smoky latch]

With Coyote's should have around 51% CHC

No need for Coyote's if you pick more CHC

[hoary raptor]

I use it to buff Cd team tbf- either that or a high armour galvanise/vanguard build to give everyone close to 2’m armour

[lament reef]

what on earth is blud waffling about

[shy willow]

I would even make the assertion that heartbreaker is even worse for newer players just because of the pulse stipulation

[willow sigil]

Yup that was the first thing I put together at level 40, had no issues with it. Didn't even bother with ceska just 2pc ua and upgrade from there

[shy willow]

People likely aren't gonna have technician unlocked

[vague zodiac]

I remember in shooting range at shd lvl 400 or something, the AOE at very hard for striker's TTK was like 17 secs, umbra was 21 secs, heartbreaker was 23 secs.

[lone glacier]

Striker's is the ol' reliable

[shy willow]

What does this even mean

[hexed steppe]

Dont use shooting range as any sort of metric

[vague zodiac]

My striker was coyote + ceska with obliterate

[hexed steppe]

Its not accurate at all

[cosmic idol]

This past week for 3x expertise really let me play with new weapons that I barely touch. Swap Chain has became one of my favorite SMG’s, but I have no clue how to make other builds besides Striker.

[shy willow]

Shooting range is notoriously broken in terms of measuring DPS and stats

[smoky latch]

HB is just bad. Survivability is okay but you just don't do enough damage. It's a trap. Ppl should rather go Striker's with a bit of blue or Memento

[shy willow]

The damage numbers themselves work just fine but the counters can't keep up

[shy willow]

I think it's a fun set but it's very much filed under "try for funsies" as opposed to "cornerstone"

[vague zodiac]

After shd lvl 800 heartbreaker becomes useless

[honest moss]

Been meaning to ask but would tinkerer have a place over... overdogs in a striker build? Would be something like killer + measured. Or is the dogs just a free bis? Been running dogs since they came out but i only use tink on my OD rifles.

[shy willow]

That is a very bold claim

[willow sigil]

I think it's okay. Everything does enough damage in heroic. Just cannot play it with the expectation that it will mimic striker have to play into it to make it fun

[shy willow]

Depends on how you play tbh, consider how much uptime you're usually getting on overdogs and compare it to your second talent

[honest moss]

I have personally made a red HB build for when i want a break from strikers, it is worse but basically works as good as.

[vague zodiac]

Its useful with a shield and rock n roll shotgun.

[willow sigil]

I never liked that. I settled on ps bloodsucker

[honest moss]

Hmm okay, just trying to figure out any changes i can make for escalation stuff. Thanks!

[shy willow]

In escalation it's definitely worth considering just because of how screwed up target prioritisation gets on higher tiers

I have a lot of pieces I sub in and out depending on what I need for flexibility personally

[lament reef]

some are using Hollow Man in escalation because things like chungus armor plates just have so much health

[shy willow]

Teehee

Don't mind the subpar mod it had been in my stash for like a year and was promptly replaced

[honest moss]

Hmm that is a good recommendation thanks

[summer totem]

What's the requirement to obtain Proto gears

[smoky latch]

Luck

Or if you're expertise 30 and have a proto core you can upgrade yourself

[summer totem]

So a low shd player can get it too?

[vague zodiac]

Is there a sniper build for escalation? Does 4 piece hotshot, chainkiller chest (perfect headhunter), Airaldi Holdings backpack (vigilance), using m700 carbon (determined) work?

[summer totem]

Lose the gloves and use overdogs

[shy willow]

Because of the insanely inflated health pools multipliers like health damage and damage to armour gain a lot of relevance at higher tiers, just something to think about

[shy willow]

If you get lucky with a drop yeah, but chances are it's completely unusable

[summer totem]

How so

[shy willow]

As in the talent will be garbage, random attributes etc

[summer totem]

Ah

[vague zodiac]

And use the hotshot backpack?

[smoky latch]

Search for "Hotdogs" in this channel

[shy willow]

Never

[mortal jay]

ive decided to do an OD build first since it’s just a tad bit easier to start up on! any tips or suggestions on what to look for stat wise?

[livid sorrel]

crit chance/damage

[hazy steeple]

@mortal jay I would highly recommend checking the 📌 pinned-message of this channel > "spreadsheet 2" > builds, for a great guide on how to make an OD setup.

[mortal jay]

thx!

[soft crane]

Ah i've been looking for this.

The hell are Beacon, and Blacklisters?

[flint arch]

exotics

beacon gives buffs for both you and your ally if you're hugging them, blacklisters give you 20% amp damage but one enemy will do 600% damage to you

[soft crane]

What kind?

[flint arch]

chest and kneepads

[next dawn]

stash exotics

[flint arch]

former is in the general loot pool, the latter can only be acquired from crafting or doing the pact manhunt

[flint arch]

I've had a lot of fun with someone running an unorthodox support build using Beacon, skill tier 6 defender drone and infinite revive hive charges

[soft crane]

Ah ok

[flint arch]

but otherwise it goes in the stash

[soft crane]

Oh wait I remember how Blacklister looked like now.

[flint arch]

also beacon description is wrong, you don't get 1% armor regen, it's more like 15-16%

[shy willow]

I wonder if that's intended or not since it hasn't been patched

[next dawn]

Beacon is a cool concept but in practices quite hard to maintain unless you using a skill build

[analog mural]

for tinkerers lmgs is frenzy + measured better for dmg or frenzy + fast hands

[next dawn]

frenzy+ measured for sure

[analog mural]

wouldnt frenzy + fast hands better for sustained or something 🤔

but lowk i feel like measured synergizes well with frenzy

[next dawn]

i mean sure faster reload is something but honestly the reload for lmg isn't long at all

[boreal widget]

defend thing is retals right?

[flint arch]

yes. this one is a hyena retaliation completion reward

[boreal widget]

have done a lot still no luck

[next dawn]

yes

[vague zodiac]

For general high end Marksman Rifles, not attaching *8 scopes will increase the rpm of the Marksman Rifle. I swear some part of this game just wants u to feel uncomfortable in some way.

Exotic Marksman Rifle doesnt have this problem tho.

Plus the fact that in-game LMG crosshair isn't centered. Like why do this.

Div 1 sniper was so comfortable to play around with. Just making uncomfortable things for the sake of "balancing" and "pvp".

But it's okay. I'll just attach the 3.4x scope to my marksman rifle. There's always a way around things.

[broken nova]

anyone know what i cant change the talent on this police m4 ?

[warm lagoon]

If I want to use a high end AR with strikers, what is the best talent to use for the M4? I have killer on it at the moment

Im bored with st elmo lol

[next dawn]

you can only recalibrate one stat permanently you can only recalibrate dtoc

[vague zodiac]

You recalibrated the Attribute to DTOC before. So u can only choose 1 section (core attribute, attribute, talent) to always recalibrate. Like if you changed once the core attribute, then u can only calibrate that one later on. The same goes for attributes and talents.

[vague zodiac]

Flatline (if using Technician laser pointer, but most people use Gunner with striker), Fast Hands (for rapid reloading), or Strained (for consistent damage increase). Killer is a strong choice, but requires consistent kills to proceed

[warm lagoon]

Okay thank you

[vague zodiac]

Police M4 is for Heartbreaker imo, because kingbreaker cannot extend mag size

and Famas2000 cannot attach the tech laser pointer for Heartbreaker

[turbid dawn]

Which modifiers for strikers ?

[broken nova]

ahh im dumb, found it in my stash from years ago XD

[lone glacier]

Uh.. there are extanded mags for the Kingbreaker..

[full trellis]

So am running a status effect build and am just trying to figure out which mods i want on my Armor do i want skill damage or duration

[hexed steppe]

What status. Foam or fire

[full trellis]

Vile mask jammer and burny stick

[hexed steppe]

Status effects> haste

Duration wont help

[full trellis]

ok just wanted to know because am about to go farm maxed out mods and i don't want to farm the wrong ones

[hexed steppe]

I would drop jammer, pickup fire starter chem

Mods all haste

Thought attributes for some reason

[full trellis]

i mostly use jammer to deal with black tusk warhound gets rid fo them just a little bit quicker

[hexed steppe]

Using capacitor and/or insync weapon as well?

[full trellis]

jumping betwen cap and st elmos depending on the situation

[toxic frigate]

Sometimes I wish for portable deployable cover from div 1 to came into div 2

[woeful chasm]

Can you swap out of sledgehammer weapon after applying debuff with a grenade?

[next dawn]

yes

[woeful chasm]

Neat ty. Would the same logic apply to TDI kard for spawning turret and drone before swapping to capacitor?

[next dawn]

yes

[next anchor]

Returning Player here and just got a Eagle Bearer from Retaliations. Is DMG to armour better or DMG out of cover better for a reconfigure.

[flint arch]

dttooc always

[next dawn]

always dtoc

[next anchor]

Okay thank you guys 👍🏽

[analog mural]

ok so i just hopped on an escalation t6 capitol hill, a random dude used the beacon armor

i thought it was supposed to give u like 2% armor regen but my armor was regenning like crazy

lowk might be cracked on group play but self-regen is kinda buns

[flint arch]

yeah the description is mega wrong, the regen is more like 15-16%

[pliant stump]

whats the best build for st elmos rn?

[flint arch]

aughhhh boring ass striker

[next dawn]

lol

[flint arch]

Ask not what your build can do for your gun, but what your gun can do for your build.

[next dawn]

I hate the white on black background but thats just me

[toxic frigate]

I think I seen people say it stack when 2 people using it?

[obsidian bronze]

pestilence build to use until i get the 3pc unicorn lengmo? currently rocking 4pc TS, equalizer and overdogs hitting 1 mil ticks and 1.4mil crits

[flint arch]

concentrated company

issue is that it's annoying to stack in solo, but you can prestack it at the firing range

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?usp=sharing

[dreamy valve]

Sshhh 🤫

[flint arch]

[obsidian bronze]

i see i see it seems glass cannon is used a lot which uh i get bodied at the best of times ;(

[flint arch]

i love perfect glass cannon and if you don't like it i think of you less as a person

THIS IS A JOKE <<<<<<<

you can use equalizer as an alternative, the ticks will do less damage but it will still work

[lone glacier]

pvgc striker

[flint arch]

[next dawn]

pvgc striker is chill

[flint arch]

pvgc striker is best girl

[next dawn]

hmmm

[boreal widget]

hello funny fellas can someone share the shroud build

[next dawn]

no parish

[flint arch]

look up hotdogs in this channel

[next dawn]

here a chill guide as well https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?tab=t.0

[hexed steppe]

determined 😔

[boreal widget]

📉 📉 overdogs

[flint arch]

the moment when there's only a single tier of enemies left so you can take advantage of both shroud and overdogs effect

[boreal widget]

smh have been farming that no drops

[hexed steppe]

farm hyena retaliations

[boreal widget]

📉 have been for the last 3 days

[flint arch]

make your sacrifices to lootcifer

[hexed steppe]

definitely hasnt

[hexed steppe]

have you checked your crafting bench, under the exotic gem icon

[next dawn]

I'll sacrifice corrupt to the devs for more drop rate on prototype gear

[flint arch]

i hate you

[hexed steppe]

do it

ill look the other way

[flint arch]

you know what if it's for the greater good ill gladly accept my fa

[next dawn]

Lol

[hexed steppe]

-# Nothing to see here, move along

[obsidian bronze]

oh no i like it im just still getting used to having to play a lot slower when using it

[flint arch]

[boreal widget]

ye, have been checking after every run too 🥀

this thing also took a long time to drop

[next dawn]

Best of luck

[flint arch]

I've used PGC for so long that I get confused when I don't get health gated by a single bullet

[next dawn]

Lol PGC is nice

[merry stone]

bad luck

[hexed steppe]

the name fits

[lament reef]

is there a reason this is absent from the pinned build sheet, and we have to summon the screenshot every time

same with hard wired seeker spam

[subtle bluff]

Ya....

Things.. ADHD

[flint arch]

hi guys your striker guide sucks why doesn't it recommend streamline for the 42% amplified total specific all weapon damage

[dreamy valve]

I’m loving Thorn, gunna proto 2 of them

[last garnet]

is there a good build for dealing with drones on legendaries or do i just need to get good?

[onyx sage]

they only drone/nade if they can see your hitbox, pay attention to your positioning

use tall cover, and ideally they only drone if you can see them, just shoot them out when they do

[last garnet]

hmmm okay will get good then haha

[next dawn]

Jammer is your best bet

[flint arch]

the 303949920293 explodey drones in tidal basin:

[next dawn]

Lol

[last garnet]

damn great idea

[onyx sage]

get good sir

[flint arch]

i die on normal mode sir

[slender cradle]

which is better for ongoing direct gear set. pressure point talent or sadist talent. paired with catalyst or ninja bike

[onyx sage]

sadist

[next dawn]

Catalyst...

[toxic frigate]

I like sadist more

[slender cradle]

i need the backpack for the gear set then

[next dawn]

Never ninja bike ever ever ever

[toxic frigate]

Usually went it with Wicked BP + Sadist

[slender cradle]

yea but i love equalizer so muc

[toxic frigate]

I think OD chest is pretty important no?

[slender cradle]

ohhhhhh

[next dawn]

Very important for the gear set yes

[vague zodiac]

Overdogs drop kinda a lot on Priority Objectives too

[toxic frigate]

Yeah increase your HP Ammo damage from 20% to 50%

[vague zodiac]

ceska backpack with wicked + contractor gloves

[toxic frigate]

For weapon obviously you want MG with sadist, but I usually use Bluescreen for it

[lament reef]

chest is the only reason the set is worth using

[vague zodiac]

the cookbook backpack has perfectly wicked but it always come with a blue core. the best u can get for it is blue core + minor attribute as status effect with crit hit chance/damage, and u tinker the blue to red core.

For weapon choice carnage should be what you use, but personally i cant hit anything with that gun. So i use bluescreen instead.

[toxic frigate]

I think I had seen one with Persti, but idk how good it is

Triple tick sounds good though

[slender cradle]

im almost at that point. i do have a cookbook backpack

[vague zodiac]

Persti doesnt make much sense. Im talking about the math, or status effect, like nothing make sense

[next dawn]

Not a good option the ticks don't benefit from the gear set

[toxic frigate]

Yeah, guess so

[vague zodiac]

Pesti works best with Coco with equalizer + overdogs. for this specific case overdogs works. coz u do wanna kill the weakess fast to get the plague running, and overdogs amplifies the damage by 30% for plague ticks.

Usually your teammates will be wondering where the enemies are, why are they so few, coz they usually already died in spawn. and u will see massive tick damage at your floating damage numbers.

[slender cradle]

aw my catalyst has a haz protection on it XD almost complete. this mask doesnt have a blueprint?

[vague zodiac]

One of the easiest build for escalation too.

[next dawn]

Gear attributes can't be changed except for the investors

[smoky latch]

Nope

[vague zodiac]

I think the "hotdog" build makes more sense using Shroud.

[toxic frigate]

I don't have CoCo persti yet might as well building that in my free time later

[lament reef]

yeah carnage feels terrible

tinkerer’s lets you have a good gun with normal sadist and killer or pressure point up and it’s even better

[onyx sage]

or overdogs

[lament reef]

There is no r in pestilence

[slender cradle]

so i got on catalyst, cookbook. 4 piece ongoing with chest. three status effect attributes and 2 crit chance and crit damage

[vague zodiac]

Whats a good lmg for OD, is it GR9?

[toxic frigate]

Blueprint or GR9

GR9 for capacity ofc

[lament reef]

all of them except RPK work pretty well, personally i like M60

[smoky latch]

The named LMG with Sadist as well, Carnage

[lament reef]

have you used it? it kind of feels terrible

[smoky latch]

The handling could be better for long range but 35% amp damage

[lament reef]

spread and recoil are atrocious

[smoky latch]

Add a mod on the gun if you want

[lament reef]

normal sadist is 30%

[slender cradle]

yea i have a carnage but im working on expertise still.

[toxic frigate]

But yeah Negev recoil pattern is kinda bad for some reason

[languid zenith]

Running ongoing Directive with blue screen are there any other fun weapons to run with OD

[slender cradle]

ty all for the help with this. im leaving behind striker and true son sets to experiment

[toxic frigate]

Why would you leave striker behind 😔

[vague zodiac]

I also tried iron lung with OD but i think OD doesnt hurt anyways and ended up using bluescreen, like at least control the crowd

[slender cradle]

shhhhh (she saved in my loadouts)

[toxic frigate]

Well OD itself really build mostly for support, it's not going to deal alot of damage when doing solo

[lament reef]

no, it is a lot of damage if you build correctly

[onyx sage]

ceska wicked, overdogs, rest OD is the standard setup

[lament reef]

check this out

[onyx sage]

or tinkerer, but the strength is in the fast to reach peak

[vague zodiac]

contractor gloves is better for OD imo

[onyx sage]

not really

if you don't like having to keep up with overdogs then sure but not really better if you can do that

[lament reef]

how are you fitting contractors in

[onyx sage]

i assume you have to drop overdogs cuz dropping ceska wicked is just a loss

[vague zodiac]

Coz it struggles with damage anyways, and usually end up doing damage to any enemy that appears. Like if you use overdogs, fail to kill the weakess enemy (if there are too many), ends up shooting the medic or engineer, its just not good. Its not like striker that can kill the weakess one by one fast. You will have to shoot them here and there eventually

[onyx sage]

how is this problem unique to OD

[languid zenith]

First piece of prototype gear I got was ceska backpack with wick3d and chance to apply status effect with every bullet, the reason I made an ongoing Directive build

[lament reef]

that’s just overdogs not having full uptime and you want tinkerer on OD anyways

the actual problem OD has is dogs and tanks

[onyx sage]

this is an overdogs problem not an "OD synergy with overdogs" problem

[lost wren]

what even are the mechanics of prototypes again?

[onyx sage]

and also you can just focus one enemy with OD, why do you have to shoot here and there

you seem to be under the misconception that you have to damage multiple enemies

[lament reef]

each stat rolls in a new, higher range

gets a random augment you can reroll with cores

[vague zodiac]

You should try OD in escalation and will understand, if u choose that one enemy your gonna get hit from a bunch of angles. its hard to deal with.

[lament reef]

obviously it stops working in escalation

[onyx sage]

no one is trying OD in escalation, why is this relevant?

[languid zenith]

Im currently running OD in escalation right now 😂

[onyx sage]

no one discussed escalation when talking about this

[lament reef]

You don’t even use normal striker in escalation, you start using the chestpiece

Like what are we doing here

[onyx sage]

comprehension is at an all time low ig

[bright raptor]

anyway since I haven't had to try it until very recently (aka not playing on my character with a Negotiator's build): does the crossbow deal enough damage to destroy Hyena shields during Heroic retaliations?

or does it at do so on Challenging?

[shut kindle]

What's the best possible prototype build ATM?

[young flower]

for red striker would it be a good idea to replace dark winter with chamelon

[lost wren]

even chc? would that change the cap?

[lament reef]

Unfortunately, the cap is the same. That’s actually a major pain point right now, accidental overcapping.

[toxic frigate]

What gear would be good as 1 pc if I decided to run a mandatory Beacon + Striker BP

[next dawn]

depends on the weapon

[toxic frigate]

Running a 249B with Frenzy

[onyx sage]

it should

[static kernel]

Whats the best run and gun build currently?

is there a good place to look through builds?

[bright raptor]

pinned post in this channel -> The Spreadsheet 2

[flint arch]

spreadsheet in pins

[static kernel]

Thanks guys

[noble pelican]

Do we have a up-to-date dps comparison (named weapons, perk vs perk and such)?

[buoyant perch]

I am also interested to know if someone has forked ikia dps table to include new stuff

[willow sigil]

do retals give field recon? or is it just open world cps?

[solar sable]

the latter

[willow sigil]

ahhh

[willow sigil]

I just did my first legendary! wanted to share

[onyx sage]

nice

[willow sigil]

is striker chest literally just for the final boss of leg missions? because the rest of the ads throughout the mission die pretty quickly

[onyx sage]

unironically i don't think striker chest is recommended in leg anymore 💀

or at least shouldn't be imo

[willow sigil]

idk if i did it right, but i literally just ran what i normally run for everything else. i told them it was my first time doing leg and no one said anything.

[subtle bluff]

if you kwtd and know you can kind of maybe but it's only like in 2 sections that'll run it

[onyx sage]

this is fine

[boreal widget]

did lexinton suddenly become rare

i see people asking for that in worldchat

[smoky latch]

It's never been in any loot pool and is a pure event item

[wet wren]

bunch of new players started playing recently thats why

[boreal widget]

🤔 since i have one in storage so was wondering

[boreal widget]

so just a flex weapon?

[smoky latch]

Event item like all the others

[wet wren]

well its just a better police m4

[boreal widget]

zzz

[smoky latch]

It has only 4% increased base weapon damage

[open pulsar]

47,2% chc 134,1% chd, 3 non max stats and shd watch are still coming

[gentle lichen]

Why is coyote chc spoilered

[flint arch]

maybe people see it and think "oh so i need 50-54% CHC always"

[subtle bluff]

It got to me....

since it rarer now I just spoilered it now. Seem to work

[inland hound]

alot of players sleep on the Banshee pulse, now with the season modifiers you can refresh your cooldowns instantly and spam some skills (i spam banshee pulses when farming escalation) it allows me to run-n-gun tier 5 like im running tier 1

[willow sigil]

I just run the blackout pulse, it seems like it does the same thing?

[flint arch]

unfortunately season modifiers are seasonal

[inland hound]

not really, it does stun but banshee you can use it, pop the cooldown and pop it again with it overloaded

it keep the rooms cc'd so hard we clear rooms in 30 secs

[willow sigil]

I see. I only ever need to use for the juggs

[inland hound]

i also camp the doors when new waves of ads spawn

pop banshee on door, and nuke the line of 6 ads within seconds

if you memorize the spawns, its a godsend to have a banshee spammer.

i was farming viewpoint museum this morning with randoms, 11-13 min clears just run n gunning with banshee

[violet saddle]

Nice

[shrewd stump]

@ivory dagger

[ivory dagger]

ty

[shrewd stump]

and this is the materials required

[ivory dagger]

how do i get black tusk specifically?

[shrewd stump]

Any black tusk related bounty, event

[ivory dagger]

ok ty

[brave frost]

hey hey just got back into the game after a bit of a brake and was wondering if this kit is still anygood?

[grizzled garnet]

gimme them transceivers, and bt tactical assessments... and the rest

[flint arch]

many problems, just read the striker guide

[brave frost]

wow ok thank you

[grizzled garnet]

do what corrupt said but also keep in mind gearsets cap out at 4pc

[solar sable]

and read the Lvl40 Starters Guide

[shrewd stump]

Literally no use for transceivers yet 😂

[grizzled garnet]

crafting exotics

i need/want birdies quickfix as a hotswappable item for my healer build

[shrewd stump]

Yeah but you only need to craft it once

[languid zenith]

Been running this build since refactor came out, sometimes swap assault turret for demo fire fly, was wondering is it worth dropping one piece Hana u and putting on a skill focused investor mask?

Or just any general advice

[woeful chasm]

Just guessing here but thinking you might swap to a WW bp instead then.

[grizzled garnet]

drop chest since its not neccessary and use impetus (wyvern chest)

[flint arch]

i linked the wrong one fu

[languid zenith]

It really feels like the chest increase in heals helps the team more

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0

[flint arch]

you deal less damage

[flint arch]

oh yeah i could've just referred to this instead

[flint arch]

if you want to heal, an FI healer will be more helpful for your team than refactor

[grizzled garnet]

if you team is heavily reliant on you for healing something is wrong and you can run FI instead

[languid zenith]

So having a damage chest piece would bring my skill damage up, would that make up for the 15% less repairs to team though?

This has been the build i run for everything when I dont use it everyone complains, I use it to solo stuff too, although I dont really afk with it. Its not heavily relied upon but just enough that they ask me to run it

[flint arch]

no, but it's still more than enough. if you need any more healing than that, this build is not a good option and you're better off with future initiative

[grizzled garnet]

ok multiple things wrong

"everyone complains" meant they're not playing in cover right

"i use it to solo". a dedicated dps build in solo will clear easier

[grizzled garnet]

they best way to deal with an enemy is not to survive longer while they shoot at you but to kill them faster

[flint arch]

also btw, healing isn't that effective at high difficulties, bullets will health gate you very easily in something like legendary. if your group plays like ass, no amount of healing is going to save them

[languid zenith]

So everyone should just run red core builds or future inititive ?

[flint arch]

red, at most 2 supports if you're in a group of four

[grizzled garnet]

arent healers there in legendary just so you dont burn through all your medkits?

[flint arch]

yeah but for some reason a non-zero number of people think "oh yay a healer, now i can 1v1 this chungas and facetank all of their bullets"

[grizzled garnet]

not neccessarily. alot of build have their time and place. like refractor is a nice middleground between healing and damage for stuff like retaliation

[languid zenith]

The people I play with are good in cover they dont rush but sometimes shit happens and they need healing

Also I just really like having a build that no matter the content performs well. I just also really dont like having to rely on a striker build all the time

[flint arch]

i have bad news for you

[grizzled garnet]

for "performs well" in all content youre looking at like striker, tipping scales, maybe coco

[woeful chasm]

Let the man play refractor, it has its uses.

[languid zenith]

Ive got a striker, negotiators dialemma, OD, HF and that build and refactor, not looking for "the best" just good enough not having to drag everyone behind

[grizzled garnet]

im not forcing them not to. im just advising

[flint arch]

TS kinda needs you to stay very still, coco is reliant on 1. kills and 2. your allies, OD requires kills, HF needs you to kiss the enemies and requires you to kill them fast

negotiator is a good option though, you lose single-target damage but you get to kill 3 enemies at once, as long the content is not just some hard dps check it'll work very well

but unfortunately some content is just a hard dps check

[grizzled garnet]

all being said drop the refractor chest for something like the sacrifice (if you feel like you can manage the increased incoming damage) or impetus

just my recommendation

[languid zenith]

I have one friend running tipping scales, one running striker and one running negotiators dialemma, they dont go down often but the refactor build is just a nice way to make sure they dont, plus still give a decent dps

[flint arch]

refractor does not exist in the game
sorry i had to say it

[woeful chasm]

We play in a similar fashion. Another option besides the Great Lords suggestion would be WW bp with combined arms with your desired head gear.

[languid zenith]

Think investor would be worth trying?

Like refactor 4 piece, WW BP then skill focused investor?

[woeful chasm]

It gives skill efficency / yellow right? so that would give you some oumph. But probobly will cost you

[languid zenith]

I run technician aswell so I have a red core on the build too, cant remember what that does for investor

[flint arch]

1. that shit's a mega unicorn, you're going to be spending at least 100 exo components just to get all 4 attributes yellow (still difficult if you're foregoing the core with tech spec)
2. 15% skill efficiency is what you get from the talent. impetus gives you 27% total skill damage. every % of skill efficiency is a 1% increase in all skill stats, including skill damage. it's not worth it

[woeful chasm]

Combined arms BP would still give 25% inc skill dmg on top of that +15% ally healing.

and WW 8% skill dmg set bonus.

[languid zenith]

Ah okay thank you, if I switch to ww BP though im losing 10% skill damage from my hana u 2 set bonus

[onyx sage]

impetus is total skill damage which is another multiplier, glass cannon is also another amp

[woeful chasm]

Same goes for Combined Arms BP talent though?

[flint arch]

i should have switched my game language back to engrish

[onyx sage]

yeah, i'm saying impetus is additive to combined arms which is a bit worse

perfect combined arms is where it's at tho

[languid zenith]

Thats why im using the force multiplier with another piece hana u for the additional 10% skill damage

[woeful chasm]

idk, Hana-U 2p gives 10% but here we are desiring Investor yellow spasm + 1 more piece. Then i would say WW with combined arms would be better than Force Multiplier, dont you think?*

[flint arch]

the word total has a lot of meaning behind it

[languid zenith]

I was just curious if investor would be a better option, was asking before I tried to get it

[subtle bluff]

No

[languid zenith]

Thank you

[subtle bluff]

Um… Kin Moment is 1.5% Total Skill Dmg…

[flint arch]

yeah i just noticed im sorry 🥺

[woeful chasm]

Glass cannon it is 😉

[languid zenith]

So just because theres a lot of back and forth what would be the difference of running ww BP with combined arms and running my 2 piece hana u with combined arms?

[subtle bluff]

If pure Skill Dmg P. Kin does to do more. GC just does more overall when you factor in WD.

[subtle bluff]

Yes, both Prefect version are better to run if your focus is mainly on Skill DMG.

[languid zenith]

Im sorry ive been dealing with a migraine all day plus might be stupid, so which are you saying would be the better option or they are the same

[subtle bluff]

Is your focus mainly on Skill DMG or doing DMG?

[languid zenith]

I guess skill damage

The skill damage increase the healing from the set so id prefer to increase that

I just like refactor, because its a skill build that also helps the team

[subtle bluff]

Are you trying to support the team?

[languid zenith]

Yes, not that they always need it

[subtle bluff]

Over it. Just posting this. Follow the last build then if you’re wanting to support with it.

I need to redo this guide or make a real one.=|

[languid zenith]

Sorry didnt mean to be annoying, just wanted some advice. Also I had no idea empathic resolve worked with refactor thats cool.

[subtle bluff]

I'm just busy with work.

[languid zenith]

Gonna make the last 2 builds there and switch them out as needed

[hexed steppe]

already a real one

[subtle bluff]

True

[lone glacier]

Just quit your job and become the TD2 guide writer, problem solved

[hexed steppe]

who needs money anyways

over rated attribute

[hearty orbit]

does gear shift work well with striker builds or am i just better off running an AR

[subtle bluff]

It works. Striker works with any high RPM weapon

[hearty orbit]

and just for clarities sake, I caught the back end of convo yesterday concerning weapons perks, but ideally its Killer - solo, Measured - group

[subtle bluff]

more specificly where everywhere you think you can always get a kill killer is good.
Measured just always works.

[hearty orbit]

thank you!

[cunning crescent]

….hear me out. Perf wicked/trauma catalyst mask, banshee pulse, iron lung/smg firm handshake, picaros, grease knees…..valid or waste of effort?

[silent storm]

I run something like that sometimes and it is decent for CC

[cunning crescent]

Tryna find a status build that focuses on damage to a single target and not so heavily reliant on the “on kill” benefits

[hexed steppe]

all good status damage builds are fire eclipse

try this

or this if want to preserve traditions

[flint arch]

actually wait, does overdogs amplify weapon damage as its description states or is it just an amp at the end of the damage calculation like glass cannon

[hexed steppe]

weapons, fire, oxi, explosives.

[flint arch]

so it's an amp like (P)GC and the talent description is wrong?

[subtle bluff]

very close to it

[hexed steppe]

not completely. it wont help turret and drone, kinetic stuff, and conditions still need to be met

[flint arch]

so it's just a very conditional amp

[hexed steppe]

yeah, pretty much. its always been a conditional amp. it just applies to a few other things

its definitely worth using on a fire build. it also out damages my mortar setup, tho i like qol of btsu on that

fire sticky , firedogs ep

[flint arch]

i like how it's kinda ambiguous in the description whether the weapon damage overdogs is referring to is either

• the weapon damage stat like in streamline and other similar talents
• the final number value spat out by the game when your gun's bullet hits an enemy

unless it's more like bad wording

[hexed steppe]

amplify indicates it is in its own bucket

[summer totem]

Nah use the airaldi with vigilance or maybe replace it with memento

[hexed steppe]

that bucket just applies to more than originally intended

[summer totem]

What's the downside of the fire build?

[hexed steppe]

there is none until you get to high level endgame stuff like raid/incursion/retal/escalation/legs

it is situational tho, if there is a lot of space between npcs ifs not gonna spread well

[summer totem]

Im guessing you use firewall for specialization

[flint arch]

im mostly just confused, because turmoil also mentions weapon damage, but obviously it doesn't just split your WD stat into two

[hexed steppe]

no, i use tech for the free skilltier. cant roll skilltier on overdogs so kinda stuck. but its the highest damage version

[flint arch]

i think if the game says weapon damage to something, it probably means that it's referring to the final damage value from your gun

if it just says weapon damage or damage with no other context, it's referring to your WD stat

[hexed steppe]

i use survivalist over firewall any day tho. eclipse is a team support build at the end of the day and survivalist gives team a free 10% amp against status affected targets. i get selfish with overdogs tho, like seeing the big fire numbers

[summer totem]

Overdogs works on skills too?

[hexed steppe]

fire, oxi, explosive skills only afaik

[summer totem]

Turrets and drone not included? :<

[hexed steppe]

nope, i tested a typical refactor and no dice

[summer totem]

That sucks

[subtle bluff]

5 Skill Tier

[hexed steppe]

?

[summer totem]

Skill effeciency includes damage and status effect right?

[hexed steppe]

yes

[summer totem]

Wouldn't memento be a better pick?

Or is stacking an issue

[broken edge]

converted SMG that is now pretty storng?

[hexed steppe]

no. 30% amp is better. ive ran fire eclipse with memento and i can about match a typical ep bag setup with it, but its super situational and you need short and long buff active to even come close. typical setup just does it without needing all the extra work

its interesting because you can stack 60% se, 60% skill damage with memento skill efficiency, but it still falls short of the ep[ bag

[summer totem]

Lets say you deal 100k in damage with memento effeciency how's the increase with the damage amp

Im genuinely curious because i wanna play skills as intended instead of staying with shield and revive hive

[solar sable]

ye, converted smg-9 is gud

[hexed steppe]

i dont do all the math behind it. i know with no modifiers, capacitor and memento stacked i can do about 650k-700k fire sticky, ep bag + vile will do around 750k burn ticks +vile without all the extra .

overdogs i can hit around 1mil burn tick

[summer totem]

Interesting

[hexed steppe]

on regular memento setups, you really should take advantage of skills. say on an all red dps with memento, you have a more diverse attribute set than most skill builds.

[summer totem]

Currently running 4 pc core strength with memento, might switch to eclipse and see if its fun playing a fire mage build like you

[hexed steppe]

fire is fun, and ill say fire memento was enjoyable to use... need to be super active tho. i paired the fire sticky with a stinger hive back then and burnt the shit out of everything and plopped a hive in teh middle to quickly get the fire spreading

anything that burns behind spawn doors also drops those trophies directly into your bag 😉

[ivory abyss]

Okay so pvp channel might not be active right now, anyone got like up to date current pvp builds. (some screenshots perhaps) for conflict and DZ? I want to farm and build some up. I know umbra is used iirc, CS currently?

the pvp builds in the beginners guide are outdated I think

Y6 or something I believe is what they are listed as

[merry stone]

whats the point of pakhan over bullet king?

[smoky latch]

Higher burst damage

[broken edge]

funny OD memes

[subtle bluff]

NB is the one to ask when he's around.

[ivory abyss]

okay sounds good

[broken edge]

ninjabike core strenght mix of blue and yellows with capacitor is the strong new thing i think?

i'm terrible at details so i just know the vague

[last schooner]

is Chatterbox a niche wpn?

I have 2 with DTOOC, just wondering if I should scrap one

[broken edge]

keep the better one, it's not a bad weapon

talent is just a risky move

[merry stone]

naw its pretty good now that ouro is nerfed. fully stalked passive has insane dps

[last schooner]

yeah I just tested it, its pretty fun

[analog mural]

how good is equalizer + salvo on strikers compared to equalizer + coyote

[last schooner]

depends on the wpn. It'll benefit high rpm wpns more.

[hazy steeple]

2 non striker pieces means that you cut off the option for Overdogs.

A bit of fire-rate vs Overdogs is no contest.

Even if you're comparing Salvo vs Coyotes only for whatever reason, I doubt Salvo would beat Coyotes either.

[silent storm]

Is this an MK16?

[willow sigil]

how does prof work? is it kill based, xp based or activity completion based?

[gentle lichen]

Kill xp based

[smoky latch]

ACR-E archetype

Bit slow to be really efficient for Striker's

[silent storm]

Ok so that is why it seems inaccurate at range.

[smoky latch]

It's pretty accurate, actually; it's a long range AR.

[shy willow]

I use it over lex these days

[smoky latch]

I still need a good roll of it

[gentle lichen]

Enough to maintain stacks with non chest?

[smoky latch]

Once the stacks are up and you keep hitting, yes

[timid token]

How this

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs is what you want to get other wise Ceska glove would be better here.
You want to get your CHC to hit cap.

[smoky latch]

Not bad. Damage talent on M4, gear mod in backpack and decoy instead of drone maybe. You need 60% CHC (can be slightly above cap) tho for it to be more effective

[timid token]

That problem I have every armor at chc and it not even at 50 or 56 %

[smoky latch]

Fully ramped up you will get like 400% CHD so you don't need 150 ish that you have by default

[lone wadi]

what about shd watch and weapon, third stat on big al should be 9.5 chc

[smoky latch]

You are missing a mod in your backpack, maybe that helps

Also, what is the max CHC in your library?

[timid token]

There we go I just need boost my crit dmg

[lone wadi]

you still need more crit chance

[smoky latch]

Yeah still more needed for best results

[timid token]

Ye I’ll do those by leveling up my shd

[lone wadi]

is your shd watch maxed and do you have chc on your big al third attribute

okok gotcha

[smoky latch]

SHD 444, can't be max'd yet

[lone wadi]

crit chance can since you only need 250, but i probably shouldve clarified that

[lone wadi]

id recommend you strictly invest in one to max first, then focus on the others

[subtle bluff]

Ceska gloves

[timid token]

No I don’t have chc and it won’t let me refill it

[lone wadi]

buy blueprint from inaya?

[timid token]

I’ll do that but inaya does not have it rn

[lone wadi]

hm weird

[smoky latch]

Did you just get that LMG?

[timid token]

No

I had it for a while not the blue print

[timid token]

Is this better

[toxic frigate]

if im running my build like this, is it optimal assuming the beacon was mandatory

im thinking of salvo just because it make emptying mag faster

[lone wadi]

salvo ruins frenzy sync

[toxic frigate]

i see

i guess its really just Contractor Glove

[timid token]

Also it say to get the blueprint is from seasonal hub

[toxic frigate]

i got blueprint, but i just like this mg

[timid token]

But it not there no more sadly

[lone wadi]

blueprint was from seasons last season

[timid token]

Ik

[smoky latch]

Did you not get it from the season pass?

[lone wadi]

did you not get that far

[timid token]

Idk can’t remember

[smoky latch]

Do you have its crafting blueprint?

[timid token]

I go to weapon right

[smoky latch]

?

[timid token]

In crafting table

[smoky latch]

You have two options to get its blueprint:

1. Find another Alejandro
2. Get the crafting blueprint and craft one

[timid token]

For big Alejandro

[lone wadi]

did you scroll through all of inaya's stuff, sometimes theres a gap

[timid token]

Oh ok I can craft it now I got it figured it out

Got critical hit chance

Not gonna lie better role

[lone wadi]

thats great

[toxic frigate]

also how much difference you have if you're using named Frenzy (MG Sleipnir) and normal MG

[timid token]

And my stats is 58% now

On chc

[toxic frigate]

yeah that pretty good

[verbal hill]

DTOC or HSD on Bighorn?

[smoky latch]

Always DTOC, LMGs get CHC

[verbal hill]

good to know, thanks for the info

[clever merlin]

what non damage AR talent do you guys like

[lone wadi]

fast hands

does that count

[merry stone]

any m60 tinkerer unhinged builds?? what would be the 2nd talent of the other lmg?

[grizzled loom]

Killer and sadist

[clever merlin]

that 1% nerf to fast hands was really big

i wish if stablize/steady handed was weapon handling instead of just accuracy and stability

[soft crane]

Sadist? The build is Ongoing Directive?

[grizzled loom]

Are you running OD?

[true oak]

guys when its comes to pure dps which one is the way to go ?

[subtle bluff]

Both are good. Player Preference.

[thorn glade]

is lmg's chc is also effective without tipping scales build?

[solar sable]

CHC on LMGs is BiS

[thorn glade]

Sry what does that mean BiS

im not good at english

sry

[solar sable]

Best in Slot

[thorn glade]

Oh I see thanks

[merry stone]

overdogs?? no tinkerer mask

[grizzled loom]

OD= ongoing directive

[merry stone]

in mmo games like division, wow, etc bis is best in slot

[thorn glade]

good to know, appreciate

[opal oxide]

morning
I'm returning to divison 2 after 3 years of not playing
what is now popular builds that is used

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide
Read this

[opal oxide]

thx

[soft crane]

Oh man wish i could send the ol'reliable meme.

Would've been muted by now. Anyway, go for Strikers Battlegear as the guide tells you.

[opal oxide]

I'm using strikers battlegear

I have 4 or 5 builds that I used before I stoped playing

[soft crane]

Still relevant and meta despite the small nerf.

[soft crane]

What you got?

[opal oxide]

For skill build that my friend send to me
I'm using 3x Hana U Corporation
Acosta Bag
Wyvern and Murakami

come to dm I can send you all build

[solar sable]

just send them here

[soft crane]

Oh yeah that build is definitely outdated.

I had one and shared it here. Peeps said even Refactor does more damage.

[opal oxide]

this are builds that I used to play mostly
and some of them are not completed

[toxic frigate]

where striker 😔

[clever merlin]

wrong talent and brandset on the first pic

should be ceska/grupo/UA with obliterate

[soft crane]

What in the goddamn?

[opal oxide]

didn't save it yet but is in stash

[clever merlin]

not sure wtf is 4th

why even use HF knees

[toxic frigate]

i think the first one had potential but you need to change the talent on it like Obli

[soft crane]

Yea buddy I'd delete all those loadouts if I were you and start a new one.

[opal oxide]

That's why I'm asking sonce I didn't play for like 3 years or more

[clever merlin]

fair enough

[soft crane]

I guess the only thing thats working is Hunters Fury the rest seems random.

[soft crane]

Just create a Striker build then perfect it.

[clever merlin]

the HF build isnt that bad just need a tweak on the chest piece

[opal oxide]

okay thx

[warm lagoon]

Ongoing directive with Tinker mask. Should I use LMGs or ARs? I keep going back and forth. Lol

[clever merlin]

I use AR and I find it OK

used sadist and pressure point was able to get 1.3m crits with it

[strong cave]

LMGs in this case. You want the mag size to keep rounds up when dealing with tankier enemies

Plus LMG talents are stronger than AR talents

[soft crane]

LMG

[warm lagoon]

Sadist is stronger on a LMG than an AR? I didn't know that

[soft crane]

Just go with Pressure Point and Sadist, or Strained+Sadist cuz I feel the build lacks crit.

[lone wadi]

It’s not about sadist, it’s about maintaining hollow point rounds, lmgs simply easier

[warm lagoon]

Right
Okay, thank yall!

[soft crane]

Bigger magazine bruh

[strong cave]

No, LMG talents are typically stronger. You can't get frenzy on an AR, or any of the other LMG talents. With AR the only dominant talents for it are:

Killer/Measured/Strained

LMGs have a plethora of dominant talents that ARs don't have. Plus as mentioned, the mag size alone is also why taking an LMG on OD is more preferable. An AR could dump a whole mag and not kill an enemy meanwhile with an LMG it's nearly a given they're dead before the mag is spent

[warm lagoon]

Is the M249 the go too?

[strong cave]

Plus, LMGs come with DTTOC. Allows you to take crit chance as 3rd attribute and stack more crits. Thus more damage

[strong cave]

M249, MG5, even the M60 is solid for OD. Can even use the GR9 if you're into that

[noble pelican]

MK46. ❤️

I love the look of the GR9, but it's accuracy sadly almost always makes me pick the MK46 over it.

[toxic frigate]

249 is nice indeed

[warm lagoon]

Now to just get 2 lmgs with chc or the correct talents lol

Guess I technically only need one

[toxic frigate]

i mean practically when you using OD, most of time you are using tinkerer, so just one LMG (your favourite choice) with CHC already good enough

[warm lagoon]

I bet i scraped so many worth keeping also

[toxic frigate]

dont we all

[noble pelican]

I farmed Countdown yesterday, looted everything as trash and then forgot to actually check said trash before feeding it into expert. lol

[toxic frigate]

think im going to fix my OD a bit later

actually is it better to use Cezka or Cookbook for OD

[noble pelican]

Worth pointing out that the GR9 has the higher sustained dps, while the MK46 has the higher burst.

[toxic frigate]

well yeah it got 250 rounds by default if you're running Gunner

[noble pelican]

GR9 just has higher damage and lower RPM.

And well, ~2.9 vs ~3.6s reload.

[clever merlin]

honestly this weapon swap build is not that bad

if penalty didn't exist for gunslinger and it lasted 10s it would be so much better

What would vector rpm be with centurion + back and forth + gunner rpm on kill

[exotic talon]

this is so annoying

[fair dragon]

It has potential but it's a lot to get used to when you have to micromanage weapon swapping during, in and out of combat, and if you swap to pistol youre cooked, it doesnt benefit from Versatile

It works well in close-quartered, fast-paced and high-intensity encounters like the Descent but in the open world, it can be very inconsistent.

Using deployable skills also messes up the sequence.

[clever merlin]

no quickstep is annoying but you can still force which buffs you want for each weapon. Just takes a bit more brain power to do so

The HF variant is probably stronger than the HE one

[clever merlin]

I don't use skills here even the shield cause I'm running 4 directives

The emp modifier is actually really good since you can bring it down to 20 sec cd

[strong cave]

I deleted that mask on purpose bc otherwise I would've kept feeding it components

[exotic talon]

keep gambling, you WILL get maxed out red core chc chd handling

[toxic frigate]

i settle mine on chd chc and armor regen

[strong cave]

Already got that like 4 times. I need a unicorn

Armor/A Regen/Hazpro/Explo res

I want that 3% Regen.

[exotic talon]

i want the red core because im doing something funky with core strength

[strong cave]

I want it for a really snarky pvp build

[sullen night]

Can't you just use a Coyote for almost the same buff instead of rolling 4x reds on Investor? 🧐

[exotic talon]

i dont want to use coyote i want to use investor

[warm lagoon]

Does it matter what skills you habe on your primary for tinkerer mask? I have a perfect rolled M249 with pressure point, and then a lmg with sadist as a secondary. Should I have sadist on my primary?

[exotic talon]

no, but whats on your secondary matters
it puts the talent on the secondary on your primary

i.e. you want to make a tinkerer swap build, you need the swap talent on your secondary

[warm lagoon]

Right

[exotic talon]

also it doesnt work with perfect talents, or named weapons in the primary slot
but a named weapon with a regular talent in the secondary slot works, like lex or stack broker or the mop

[strong cave]

You could, but technically investor is 5% better than coyote

[exotic talon]

coyote works much better in a coordinated group
you can trigger multiple buffs at the same time

[strong cave]

For solos investor gives more

However, obviously if you can get your hands on tinkerer, that's even more damage

[soft crane]

Tinkerer is better than Investor?

Actually wait yeah that make sense... Dumb question.

[noble pelican]

TIL I should've started using Bullet King in Countdown more.
It's completely braindead, fitting the mode. lol

[strong cave]

Yeah BK has amazing sustained DPS

[strong cave]

You figured it out on your own lol

But for anyone wondering why, it's bc you are able to pair 2 damage talents

[soft crane]

Yeh, I was thinking... Having Killer and Strained at the same time gives much more CHD than Investor.

[toxic frigate]

wait Lexington works for Tinkerer? i just knew that

[soft crane]

Dont think so.

[hazy steeple]

Well it's a named item with a perfect stat, so it shouldn't work.

Tinkerer doesn't work with named or exotics.

[strong cave]

Yes much much more. But at the cost of 1 talent being on kill

And the other cost being how long you're shooting for. Which then restricts your RPM down to make the most of the damage

[noble pelican]

"5% better" is a bit misleading.

It's potential CD is 20% better (25% -> 30%), but the best part is honestly that you aren't dropping down from 25% to 0-10%, the second you hit someone >15m away, while likely overcapping you in CR.

[soft crane]

Which weapon category Optimist works the most? MMR, AR, etc...

[strong cave]

Well in terms of strictly which would provide you more damage, the clear winner in this case is Investor. Coyote damage will always be at close range no matter what. Investor isn't limited to damage range. Hence, 5% better

The buffs at different ranges with coyote and the fact it also is given to the group is where coyote would have better use case in groups or in cases your crit chance is a bit starved and you'll wanna play at distance. If you don't have any of those factors and are strictly solo, use Investor

[noble pelican]

That's exactly what I just said; The slightly misleading part is the "5% better", because people usually mean relative changes when they say it like that.

I'm just highlighting that it's either "20% more CD", or "5% added CD" here, to avoid confusion; Relative vs additive meaning.

[strong cave]

Makes sense

[strong cave]

Actually hold up, does Investor give 10% crit per red? Or 12?

[noble pelican]

It's 30% crit value vs 20-25% conditional value from Coyote.

[strong cave]

Just mask alone, if you only account coyote close range, you can get 49% total (crit chance, 2x crit damage, then 25% at close range. Basically 24 + 25 = 49)

But, if you look into investor, it's 3 sub attributes. So if you did CHC, CHD + Handling, it would equate to

12 + 30 = 42

Therefore making coyote actually better

The 30 I got from the 3 sub reds, 10 CHD (×3)

But, if you are on the arguing side for "DPS consistency", Investor would win. I fully see what you're saying now. For me I only ever look at the DPS side

Sport mode isn't very sporty today. I'm slow

[flint arch]

Slow Mode

[strong cave]

Just like this chat

[flint arch]

-20% movement speed

[strong cave]

Nah, chat has a 15s cooldown

[soft crane]

Your talent is not working?

[strong cave]

No ☹️

[noble pelican]

You'd get 6% chance + 12% damage from the attributes and 30% damage from the exotic effect for a total of 54% value.

Coyote gives 6% chance + 12% damage, plus 12% from a mod slot and:

• 25% value from it's effect for 61% total value at close-range
• 30% value at for a total of 66% at medium range
• 50% value at for a total of 86% long-range

[manic bough]

@flint arch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y56V9h_M1xQ

I found that video and since you have a strong opinion on ninjabike, I wanna hear your thoughts. No sarcasm or whatsoever, Im genuinely curious if the video is right

[soft crane]

I'm gonna equip my Lady Death and you shall be my guinea pig.

[mild dawn]

dont forget that coyote has actual mod slot

[soft crane]

See if it works.

[strong cave]

Ha, funny enough, I've got a build just for that

You on a investor bonk arc?

[toxic frigate]

its been like 3 days since i start farming MG, not a single pressure point on sight

[strong cave]

Yup, which I personally accounted for earlier with the extra crit damage mod

[subtle bluff]

that dumbass doesn't even understand how the dmg math works.

[mild dawn]

investor is 100% uptime slightly worse short range coyote

[strong cave]

Could try just crafting a weapon in that category until you get the talent

[subtle bluff]

I commented how his math and that it's fine to run NBB.

[toxic frigate]

could do works, but mats is hard to came by and i need to expertise lot of stuff

[subtle bluff]

Just that NBB it limits but does work.

[noble pelican]

Yea, I also ignored that crit chance pushes the value up at range; Fixed my message.

[strong cave]

Yeah do what you can in this case 🙏

[toxic frigate]

🙏 thank you, will do

[flint arch]

im not that well versed on how exactly to calculate damage but i smell something off with their math

also core strength capacitor with NBB lol

i should probably use ikia's calculator someday

[subtle bluff]

Here's simple math added up. This graph is Total DMG over time not DPS.

I actually should recheck this

[strong cave]

Sir chow finally is graphing like I mentioned a few times?

[hazy steeple]

Sir chow lol

[subtle bluff]

I need edit my NBB vs Non NBB run.

[strong cave]

Until that becomes outdated

[subtle bluff]

nah

[strong cave]

Sorry chow, didn't realize you're a ma'am now

[subtle bluff]

No it's not DPS.

[noble pelican]

Pretty sure the only case where i found NBB useful was the foundry setup.

Every other situation just led to "Yea, this just costs me damage".

[subtle bluff]

sir....

[flint arch]

well unless MSV changes how damage is calculated, i doubt it will need to be updated anyway

[hazy steeple]

I'm like 90% sure I bought dogfood once with the name "sir chow".

[strong cave]

Rivens threw me a pretty good layup there 😂

[subtle bluff]

Let's not start that atm.

[strong cave]

Puppy chow too?

[lone glacier]

Still no idea why Foundry or NBB exist

[noble pelican]

Being able to face-tank a minigunner and a couple of dogs at the same time in legendary is fun.

[subtle bluff]

THIS... soo many things wrong here..

[manic bough]

Saw that and his response seems too defensive and deflecting.

[subtle bluff]

I tried to be respectful.

I mean... I was and left.

OH WAIT.. LOL he does 1pc of both UA and Fenris?!?!?! LMAO

[noble pelican]

I just realized.. is he calculating strikers as plain weapon dmg? lol

[hazy steeple]

You can tell it's a div2 youtube video, because it suggests Fenris as an option for builds.

I'm wondering if there's a case nowadays where it's ever worth it over the options we have.

[manic bough]

yes he does but im not sure why that is bad in that specific example - im not calling you out for saying that, I just really dont understand it 😄

[subtle bluff]

Like I'm not give new players or players in generally anything for running NBB 2x UA for striker till they get to master and Leggo

[subtle bluff]

also he's like what SHD 400 ish and thinks the game is easy...

[noble pelican]

I'll be honest; In anything heroic and below (or solo), as long as you push even half of a decent striker setup, do whatever makes you feel good.

[subtle bluff]

That's what I said to him and he got defensive and deflected hard.

[noble pelican]

I didn’t misinform or misrepresent any numbers.
After stating that he didn't even knew that striker isn't base weapon damage and his entire calculation is wrong is.. wild.

[flint arch]

tbh i've mellowed out on nbb, it's still the worse option in 90% of builds but you don't become an immediate brick in heroic

but use it in leggo or something and there's going to be issues

[flint arch]

nvm i hate nbb again

[flint arch]

wait wtf i just noticed

[noble pelican]

Eh, you can likely still push a "decent enough" setup with NBB even in legendary.

The issue most of the time is that going by content creators "decent enough" is "I hit 5m burst on the dummy".

[subtle bluff]

hence my comment was come back when you come back from legendary.

[flint arch]

come back when you come back

[subtle bluff]

I will say he clicked baited well

[subtle bluff]

OK SLEEP IS CALLLING

[flint arch]

🥺

[subtle bluff]

I hate it here

[manic bough]

Im sorry for inflicting emotional damage before your sleep

[solar sable]

sir

[subtle bluff]

nah you're good I'm glad I got vent out that stuff with his comments with me and someone else read it.

I'm glad I still get to Thumbs Down

IDK if I Englished that

MrChow is coooked

[manic bough]

the good thing is, selfish as it may be, that posting that video and asking for input would definitely "trigger" you or bulls and both your input to whatever build is there is valuable AF - crackheads doing and/or knowing the math in a math game is appreciated

[solar sable]

what's the appetizer?

[flint arch]

arghhhh

why is my calculated damage 300% higher than in-game

[lone glacier]

I just learned from the folks in here and Kia but I still got a long way to go

[solar sable]

I was sad until you mentioned iKia. Now I'm depressed.

[lone glacier]

😦

[subtle bluff]

Oatmeal... I need fiber.

[manic bough]

oh and corrupt of course as well! Sorry to have left you out there!

Still...just the fact that people try to stop the spread of misinformation is plenty of work done in the community

[flint arch]

idk im a mindless drone and i just follow what chow says hur durr

[solar sable]

I have barely any hope in humanity for it to heal and for YTbers to not spread misinformation... my passion for this game is greater than my hatred

[subtle bluff]

It's not the worse video by any means just number wise.

better than the one guys just non stops talks for 2 hours...

[manic bough]

what do you mean? you dont like build videos that are 58 minutes long? /s

[solar sable]

he uses a stinky ass yellow jacket

[flint arch]

mr chow sir, if a talent says it adds additively to weapon damage, does that add onto AWD

[subtle bluff]

ready to cringe?

[manic bough]

im scared now

[subtle bluff]

😂

[lone glacier]

what

The "GEFORCE RTX 40 Series" is just the cherry on top

[flint arch]

what the shit

[subtle bluff]

Why Being Talented Is Useless on YouTube 🤦‍♂️🤦🏼‍♀️
LMAO is one of his ther videos.

[grim bluff]

Welcome back 2010s youtube thumbnails

[flint arch]

@subtle bluff 🥺

[solar sable]

you gotta call him "mr sir good sir Chow"

[flint arch]

mr sir good sir Chow

[unique lotus]

is anyone having issues with tinkerer not working with a prototype weapon? I can't tell if it's working lmao

[flint arch]

tinker doesn't work with prototypes, pretty sure this is unintended

[unique lotus]

why tho ;-; it's not named or exotic

[toxic frigate]

idk

[flint arch]

you can also check if tinkerer is inactive if the symbol has a red background

[subtle bluff]

In sense it's corrupted gear not a HE.

[unique lotus]

that's fair but they really should add it to the description

[subtle bluff]

On the backend I bet it just checks for HE weapon more than anything else.

[flint arch]

this game is very polished

tinkerer is a very bug-free exotic too

[solar sable]

I chuckled

[subtle bluff]

Put would be more confused with just saying HE.
There's worse things out there...

like Sledgehammer.....

[solar sable]

I love how Chow has been avoiding Corr's question

[flint arch]

would you like killer, measured, back and forth, frenzy, pummel, fast hands, sadist, close and personal, ranger, unwavering, boomerang and determined all on your famas

[subtle bluff]

what question?

[solar sable]

yes

[solar sable]

this ^

[subtle bluff]

oh

Yes

[flint arch]

👍

[subtle bluff]

Did you know we have this in the build hub?

[flint arch]

fu

[solar sable]

wait what where is this

[subtle bluff]

below both of your guides

it's really old but still stands other than it's not all the talents

[flint arch]

arghhhhhh

why is my calculated damage off by 100k

[subtle bluff]

DTH isn't active

[flint arch]

i unchecked DTH

[subtle bluff]

go fill it in to 0 to check

[manic bough]

ok so wait. striker stacks are exponential? so for every stack I get, it takes the previous TWD and multiplies it again?

[solar sable]

METH

[subtle bluff]

we never explain this due to ya...

[flint arch]

no change

[subtle bluff]

welp give me SS of that section

[flint arch]

i grabbed the base from the spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

Preetty surre one of the rates you need to change
Wasn't that.. Modifiers?

[subtle bluff]

dare you comment that. 👹

[flint arch]

okay im going to figure this out tomorrow i need to sleep

[manic bough]

alright bet,payment to "paypal.com/ChowDaredMeToBullyContentCreator"

[subtle bluff]

OK..... 💀

[pine oracle]

hey guys, og division1 player here, startet last week with division 2 and im enjoying it so far. so far i got my striker dps setup with variations for ar and lmg, healer build and sniper open world build. im looking for a solo dps/tank build, quite enjoying striker set, can you guys give me any recommendation ?

[lone glacier]

Tanks don't really exist if you're thinking the MMORPG idea of a tank.

[soft crane]

Tank isnt used outside Wooden horse

[pine oracle]

yea i mean like im looking for a build to play solo for example summit and missions on heroic / legendary (if thats even possible), where im not dying oneshot

[lone glacier]

Striker

[soft crane]

Guess what, Why You Should Run 6 Red Cores 👈

[bright raptor]

outside of one particular piece of content the game is designed so you cannot be instantly oneshot

[tall jackal]

Just use blue cores if you really want, but you should keep to full red and just learn the game mechanics more so you die less.

[pine oracle]

okok so there is basically no build where i can just face tanking enemys while taking them down ?

[toxic frigate]

yep

[tall jackal]

I mean if you want to face tank, you won't be killing anything.

[soft crane]

Dont fall for the GOD MODE SOLO BUILD ahh videos in YouTube.

[mild dawn]

if you want to play slow while being relatively safe just go turret/drone build and squat in cover

[tall jackal]

True that. If someone says anything like Best Build or God Mode its not. Clickbait title. Like for CS yters calling it meta...

[bright raptor]

slightly longer winded explanation: the last few seasons have all introduced some means of artificially buffing characters to the point where bad builds can seemingly hold their own in endgame content

right until the season ends and those buffs are no more

[toxic frigate]

just like this season

you can have both firepower and extra armor

[tall jackal]

135% HSD damage from the modifiers

[toxic frigate]

real treat

but i prefer handling + armor

[lone glacier]

135% HSD + 10% Armor

[mild dawn]

mfw armor is a dead stat unless you have a way to sustain it:

[lone glacier]

mfw it doesnt matter because you can have 135% HSD, 10% Armor and 20% SD active at the same time

[sullen night]

pretty sure that's numerically the best setup, but I find 90% HSD and 30% mag size so comfy, can't swap from it 😬

[lone glacier]

There's also one with slightly less HSD but more Armor but I forgot what modifiers it was..

[sullen night]

my setup has 90% hsd, 30% mag size, 15% armor but only 5% skill dmg

it's just both offensive converts and split utility

[woeful chasm]

That's lit, I just set it up and will try it.

[sullen night]

I take no responsibility for disappointment 😅 Just what I like

[woeful chasm]

Haha I will switch back to max HSD if i dislike it dont worry ;p

[uneven wind]

Good morning everyone, does anyone by chance have summit floor 10 that can join my friend and I and just get it started so we can farm for the big horn

[sullen night]

Different answer just in case you didn't know, but you can get the Bighorn blueprint from Black Tusk retaliations too, might be a better or more fun farming strat

[uneven wind]

Bet, thanks really appreciate it

[timber heath]

does the augment level reset if i reroll the augment?

[urban latch]

Yes

[serene hare]

115% crit damage in a Hunter's Fury + Memento build is fine or is too low?

I don't know how to improve it, everything is set right, crit chance at 60% and all.

[kindred mango]

Could do a Ceska or Grupo chest whatever makes more sense

[flint arch]

I disabled modifiers, and besides modifiers increase my damage not reduce it

[strong cave]

I'm mainly using it for the mag size rn. Plus the extra 10% seasonal XP is helpful

[flint arch]

I usually keep the modifiers on, I'm not dien who's allergic to modifiers

[strong cave]

I'm not afraid to say it, the global events we had during the 10 year event ... Noticed for sure when they vanished

[flint arch]

wish i got echo instead

but paradox is okay i guess

[strong cave]

Yo no hablo foreignese

[flint arch]

im not rerolling this shit again, im just going to sacrifice another one of my 10 lex copies

unless someone wants to carry me through incursion and dark hours

[strong cave]

I'd be willing to do both negl. Just need a free day

[serene hare]

I'm using The Equalizer.
Should I use Grupo Sombra instead?

[strong cave]

Equalizer is fine. But those options do still exist

[serene hare]

So 115% crit damage is good?

[flint arch]

wo zi shuo zhong wen

[kindred mango]

Up to you all should be fine really. Memento is going to hurt your crit regardless but it does play nice with HF

[smoky latch]

How's your roll?

[flint arch]

DTH

[smoky latch]

That's good

[strong cave]

How are you only getting 115 crit damage on an SMG setup? (Read something about hunters fury)

[flint arch]

If recal ever comes out I can put dttooc and I'll be set, who needs 22.5% SWD anyway

[smoky latch]

Not the most beneficial stat

[flint arch]

Better than my FAMAS, that shit's bricked with just the weapon damage roll 💀

[strong cave]

I personally advocate for at least DTTOC

[smoky latch]

3rd or 2nd stat increased are nice

[flint arch]

also I'm stuck using back and forth forever

[smoky latch]

Just a bit annoying when you get CHC on an LMG

[flint arch]

I think for armor pieces, it's best to just 1. prototype your gear set pieces, and 2. do it on your CHD pieces

that way you don't get screwed by 9% CHC completely screwing up your crit ratio

[serene hare]

Every piece of HF has crit chance on the gear except 1 with crit damage.
Then there's Memento and The Equalizer.
All mods with 11.9% crit damage.
MPX with 1 mod of crit damage, 1 crit chance, 1 weapon handling and a extended mag.

There's not 1% crit chance wasted, it's rounded 60.

[flint arch]

and you can also recal it, probably, if they manage to bring recal to proto

[smoky latch]

I hope so. If not there's no point for me to keep playing this game

[toxic frigate]

I wish you can recal the prototypes

[strong cave]

I see your problem

[toxic frigate]

Anyway what tier usually comfy to farm proto gear solo

[strong cave]

It needs to be crit damage and use mods to get the difference you're lacking with crit chance

[toxic frigate]

I just got pranked twice by matchmaking and it waste 8 tokens

[smoky latch]

Depends on you. I see ppl doing T2/3 solo due to clear speed

[serene hare]

I don't get it.
I'm already using my mods for crit damage.

[strong cave]

You said you have crit chance on every piece but 1. It needs to be crit damage

[toxic frigate]

3 it is

[smoky latch]

I personally don't mm for higher than T5

[strong cave]

So if all of your hunters fury pieces are rolled CRIT CHANCE you are very over stacked

[serene hare]

But how I'll get to 60% crit chance?
It's rounded 60% with no waste.

[smoky latch]

Also, check people's builds first before you go into higher tiers with randoms. You can already guess how it's gonna go if you do that

[serene hare]

It's not overstacked.

[strong cave]

Use crit chance mods. Specifically on your guns and your gear mods

[toxic frigate]

Just count your Total Crit without any mods

[flint arch]

I see core strength I'm outta here

[strong cave]

SMGs natively come with 22 crit chance and the watch will give you 10 as well

[smoky latch]

You'll see worse

[strong cave]

When you activate me you don't see me at all. Name plate goes bye bye

[flint arch]

Sys Corr in Escalation sounds cursed

[toxic frigate]

I really rarely see people using Sys corr

[flint arch]

sys corr is really hard to get and also not very good

[strong cave]

That's because I don't drop in protomac

[toxic frigate]

In DZ I mean

[serene hare]

Dude, I don't think you understand.
I am not overstacking.
If I chance crit chance to crit damage I'll go UNDER 60%.

[smoky latch]

PvP set and not really good anymore

[toxic frigate]

I think people went with umbra nowadays no?

[flint arch]

it's all core strength now

[smoky latch]

Got dethroned by CS

[flint arch]

core strength is the new umbra

[toxic frigate]

Death 😔

I hope I don't ran into people using CS when doing field data tmrow

[flint arch]

i have bad news, it's guaranteed

[toxic frigate]

All I have is HE gear for DZ lmao

Peak DZ is probably people running CS with St Elmo anyway

Who would've thought

[patent fossil]

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[toxic frigate]

What the hell is that 😭

[serene hare]

I still don't understand Core Strength.

[minor grove]

Anyone run a build strictly for dps support? If so what would be your go to? I’m thinking beacon, 4 piece, ongoing directive, and maybe pestilence or bluescreen. Only going for supporting dps teammates. So maybe Smart Cover-reviver hive? Anyone got any other ideas?

[wicked echo]

whats a good talent for chest gear for striker build ?

[toxic frigate]

OD chest is a must, just go with coyote mask if you will

[soft crane]

Ongoing Directive is mostly DPS and can support the team with hollow point rounds.

[livid sorrel]

I'd go FI for more support. I wouldn't use hives without the BTSU gloves and 6 yellows

[toxic frigate]

but if you want to compromise your damage, you may change the chest

[livid sorrel]

obliterate, glass cannon

[soft crane]

Equalizer, named chest piece from Unit Alloy brand, talent is Perfect Obliterate.

[wicked echo]

thanks guys

[minor grove]

Well the goal is team damage amplification, I mean I could kill a red bar with bluescreen for hollow points.

But is there any other builds I’m not thinking of that could max team damage?

[grim bluff]

Future Initiative, opportunistic backpack, scorpio shotgun

[minor grove]

Hmmm ok I’ll look into what am I looking for on cores?

And you suggested btsu?

[grim bluff]

yellows if you're pairing it with reinforcer chem launcher and healing hive, and yes btsu

skill repair/skill haste

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11__a0xEKRKX22zNtLFwQM6P44oIq_h6g07a47Fd0X2M/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.am5atfliuvwx this one off the spreadsheet

[minor grove]

Thanks. Another dumb question. Why is everyone doing sledge on the shotguns? Discription reads damage amp is only for the agent that grenades them… so why is it so liked? I know back a few seasons it stated all sources but now it’s not? Or am I on something?

[hexed steppe]

Wrong description. Its still a team amp

They tried making it agent only but with pushback it was reverted to team amp.