td2-build-advice

[silent storm]

Farm this and learn to use it and noone will question your build.

[next dawn]

check through this and see what you like https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1509999994#gid=1509999994

[lunar imp]

what’s the highest you can get on your crit dmg if your running around 55-60% crit chance with a typical strikers build

[next dawn]

You can get around 100-180% with a normal striker build it really depends on the mods,shd level, weapon mods, eternal buffs ect.

[lunar imp]

i’m currently around 120 so i was looking for a way to get it higher beyond just getting better mods

[silent storm]

Killer will bring you to 190 so that is good

[next dawn]

^

[silent storm]

And if someone has Coyote add 10-25

Lot's of ifs in this game

120 to 140 is nice though

[lunar imp]

i’d say 120 is typically my base before proccing any talent

so i guess maybe trying to get it to 140-50 without needing to proc something? i guess that would just be better mods

[pure sinew]

whats the best place to farm coyote mask

[silent storm]

SMGs help

And brandsets

[lament reef]

hey do any of the journey builds this season have good stuff in them

[silent storm]

RNG so maybe lol

[pure sinew]

anyone know a good striker build for incursion

[lunar imp]

just countdown and spend your cash on exotic caches i guess

[lament reef]

does coyote come from caches before you get it naturally? the general pool is weird sometimes

[lunar imp]

no just a world drop you could get lucky through the cache

[next dawn]

In general loot pool

[next dawn]

Baseline striker build with overdogs is more than enough

[dreamy valve]

My dream build, come to life

[silent storm]

This is something

[next dawn]

Hmm

Not much to say

[marble edge]

Don’t have overdogs

[next dawn]

Replacement coyote's mask

[marble edge]

Working on that

[next dawn]

Gl

[lament reef]

worst case, put a ceska or grupo in there

[last schooner]

is the investor and agitator both mid?

[next dawn]

Investor had some potential going for it

[last schooner]

but not optimal/meta right?

[next dawn]

Agitator imo is just meh

[next dawn]

Optimal but not meta

[rich cosmos]

Agitator needs better mods Id say

[next dawn]

You can do a crazy armor regen build with Investor

[last schooner]

is Agitator the one where you get random stats?

[next dawn]

No that's the investors

[last schooner]

oops, yeah I meant that. What's the unicorn stats? all red?

double crit?

[next dawn]

I think so

[silent storm]

Hyenas Retaliation drops them so you can farm those

[grand swan]

Is Intimidate not a good perk to pair with Memento's bonus armor? I havent seen many builds using it

[solar sable]

I use Intimidate with Memento, so it's not the most optimal way to use that specific build but what I like to say (and I love) is that Intimidate and Mem will pair well only if you like the Run&Gun playstyle

This means that you'll need to kill and get the trophy(ies) ASAP to make use of Intimidate correctly

[grand swan]

Ok thanks, Imma give it a go. I typically play run and gun when farming control points

[solar sable]

this is my build btw

[grand swan]

Nice!! Hunters Fury is a great choice

[solar sable]

Yup, it's the best gearset for close combat

you get some CC, a close range bonus, pairs so well with SMGs, Memento kinda wants the player to R&G... such a combo

[soft socket]

Strega

[next creek]

what other endgame builds are there that are competitive with striker/overdogs, do i need a healer/util build for any of the raids/leggo missions

[soft socket]

Royal works bp with bloodsucker

[subtle bluff]

Nego

[soft socket]

Strega goes brrr

[lunar imp]

that actually helps me out a lot too i was wondering what i could pair with memento or hunters fury

[subtle bluff]

40rds isn't brrr

[soft socket]

With this set up more

[solar sable]

but sir, it has 3pc UA which is a mag size bonus

[soft socket]

2 pcs royal works

[subtle bluff]

Meh..

[soft socket]

For mag

[buoyant perch]

54 rounds or smt?

[soft socket]

And centurion for more mag and rof

[solar sable]

Do you want any more build ideas? Something that comes to your mind that might be a thing? Maybe something that fits your playstyle?

[soft socket]

Swap from trader to strega

[lunar imp]

i was just running around with strikers chameleon for a while after being tired of st elmo’s

[next creek]

firewall and technician specs mandatory for any notable builds?

[lunar imp]

by the way is it better to spec into headshot damage or magazine size generally for the global modifier?

[analog mural]

tech spec is mandatory for heartbreaker, otherwise i dont see other builds needing use a specific spec coz its all personal preference in what you want

[buoyant perch]

Up to you. I do hybrid 90%hsd-30%mag because I can't be bothered to change it across many builds.

[lunar imp]

i’ve been running the 45% mag increase and it’s pretty convenient for most smgs and ars i think i’ve just been too used to elmos

[analog mural]

elmos spoiled u

pick up an lmg and now u will be even more spoiled

[lunar imp]

yeah i’ve had to level up the exotic lmgs for expertise but im too reliant on the shield

[plush thistle]

how difficult is it to get set up bp with yellow core yellow status and yellow haste?

[solar sable]

a lil, Uzina is a blue brand so it has more chances to get blue attributes than yellows or reds

[plush thistle]

rip i wasnt sure if i was unlucky which i was hoping so but i see for once thats not the case

[solar sable]

it isnt impossible

look

[lunar imp]

are neither the hunters fury chest/backpack worth keeping? should i just swap both out?

[plush thistle]

oh im not saying that to sum myself up simply lets just say 300 hours to get a memento bp 1st one to be specific didnt care about roles

[solar sable]

bag yes, chest no

[lunar imp]

so the hunters fury chest over equalizer?

[solar sable]

nope, equalizer is better

[lunar imp]

thanks

same question for negotiators dilemma, which one of the chest/backpack worth keeping

[plush thistle]

bp no? at least i think bp for nego

[silent storm]

Posted my Hunters Fury build here with Matador and Hunter-Killer #ask-td2-community message

[solar sable]

bag only

[silent storm]

People don't like Intimidate much because of the need for bonus armor but when it is on it's the best

And if you are close enough doing DMG and killing nothing is shooting you

That's why I like Chatterbox, once you get that going you have like 1500 RPM and it just melts things

Also Matador will refresh so new bonus armor.

[pure sinew]

whats a good exotic gun for striker build

for pve

[solar sable]

elmos, backfire, iron lung

[surreal elk]

anyone tried to do tinkerer with white death? Thinking what second weapon talent would be good with determined

[next dawn]

You cant use a named weapon for tinkerer

[surreal elk]

ah shit, nvm haha thats why noone does it

[next dawn]

XD

[surreal elk]

trying to find some use for a tinkerer 😄

[solar sable]

ranger, optimist or lucky shot
just use an M700 Carbon or SR-1

[silent storm]

Would Lucky Shot work with Determined?

[solar sable]

why wouldnt it?

[next dawn]

rate this build

[open gulch]

i am looking for something like this bro damage build but dont know how to do farm then can you gudie me a bit level 210

[subtle bluff]

close

[next dawn]

my pistol build cooked

[next dawn]

wdym by close elaborate good sir

[plush thistle]

what do you mean how to farm? just target loot the items on there

[next dawn]

if you want ill even tell you the name of each to make it easier

[open gulch]

did bro, with striker but always getting lower damage stuff or Armor in it 🙂

[plush thistle]

you got 5 choices last 2 are if your tired of the 1st 3 choices; you got countdown, retaliations, summit, open world events, and missions of course missions are extremely limited just open map and show targeted loot to see what drops on them

try matchmaking if solo isn't working for you and you dont have to jump directly into heroic to get most of the high end equipment which 80% of his build is

[pure sinew]

whats the best non exotic mask for crit damage

[carmine yarrow]

is having both DTA and DTH good for chameleon or should I keep rerolling for DTA and critdmg?

I'm new

[next dawn]

Roll for Dmg to targets out of cover

[carmine yarrow]

Okay! wish me luck. onlu have six exotic left XD

[next dawn]

Core attributes will never change btw

[solar bison]

Never done a healer build but looking into bittersweet builds to push escalation 10.

Is it wise to use bittersweet or is there better ones out there?

[next dawn]

what are you trying to get out of the bittersweet?

bonus armor? healing or damage?

[solar bison]

Massive burst armor for team mates seems to be the primary use of it

[carmine yarrow]

got it. thanks ❤️

[plush thistle]

happy huntin

[next dawn]

then Ill say yes use it but be aware that stack are very hard to keep but you will be giving out massive bonus armor

[solar bison]

Do I just use it with refractor set for consistent group healing or what is a proper build for one

[next dawn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11__a0xEKRKX22zNtLFwQM6P44oIq_h6g07a47Fd0X2M/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.am5atfliuvwx

[next dawn]

if you are using bittersweet switch out the backpack talent to Safeguard instead as well as the Scorpio

[plush thistle]

so I was looking at this build for a while looking for a primary option browsing my list contemplating and realized almost anything would work so is it just a preference for this build or are there certain picks that actually help more than others?

[next dawn]

I personally don't see anything that I would personally add

chc and chd?

[solar sable]

the Sacrifice 🧑‍🍳 's 💋

[next dawn]

meh that a playstyle

[plush thistle]

1 day doomz 1 day when i know the spawns like no other but as for now ill stick with forgiveness

but anyways is an ar like just the best bet primarly due to dttooc? or would an lmg with chd be better?

[solar sable]

no need for that, just have to improve your LoS, positioning and target prioritizing

[next dawn]

either or

[plush thistle]

aight cool ty

[next dawn]

now go

[plush thistle]

what is los?

[solar sable]

Line of Sight

[next dawn]

line of sight

[next dawn]

level of sorrow 🙂

[plush thistle]

lol

more like pain if ya ask me but gotchu

[next dawn]

i like sacrifice it something you get used to

[plush thistle]

i dont doubt it at all is summit worth doing the objectives weekly/daily?

[next dawn]

if you have the time sure its not that bad

[flint arch]

equalizer disgusts me, sacrifice ftw

[next dawn]

30% amp is tasty indeed

[plush thistle]

ez there noobs such as myself gotta ease into it noone wants someone falling over every 20 seconds

[next dawn]

thats how you learn

being throw head first into it

[flint arch]

actually if you can slot equalizer in the same slot, sacrifice wins but barely
the main benefit of sacrifice is that there's no ramp-up

i also need to clarify that i don't wish to belittle anyone who doesn't want to use (P)GC

[next dawn]

thats why i perfer it no BS just damage when you need it

[pure sinew]

just started couple months ago anything i should change on this striker build i have everything rolled with crit dmg and chance

[plush thistle]

well output also goes to skills so thats for sure better across the board no questions asked

[flint arch]

actually, impetus gives more damage to your skills

sacrifice just lets you be a hybrid skill + gun dps

[next dawn]

how often are you reaching full 200 stack with striker?

[flint arch]

it's a fine chest striker build, only thing i would change is salvo holster instead of UA mask

my question is, where are you using this? escalation? legendary? master? raids?

[plush thistle]

ill proabably be using it more with tha capacitor build which will force me to use it haha think it was refactor if i'm not mistaken

[next dawn]

time for me to log off for today

[pure sinew]

just a go to build for damage only thing i have been really playing is retaliations

[plush thistle]

honestly just my opinion via trying it both ways but i dont like how long it takes to get that stack rolling i prefer swapping the chest out but thats just me but build looks fine to me

[pure sinew]

not sure what builds to use for certain game modes

[flint arch]

yeah, uh, it will still work, but it's really difficult to keep your stacks up in those gamemodes. striker chest is not worth using if you can't maintain 150+ stacks

[nimble moss]

Yeah I'd say too chest is nice for high bullet sponge, like high escalation, leg, maybe raid ? Otherwise you'll struggle to maintain those stacks.

[flint arch]

i suggest using Equalizer instead, it's better for general content

[solar bison]

Does striker affect how hard pestilence ticks hit for?

[nimble moss]

Probly more Equalizer or maybe glass canon with the 20 secs revive hive

Unless you never die xD

[edgy merlin]

Hi guys, should I optimize my pestilence? or should I wait until I get a better one?

[plush thistle]

don't optimize it as is

[flint arch]

you want CHC as the 3rd attribute here. reconfigure it

[solar sable]

reroll to CHC

[next dawn]

Reroll it at the crafting station for chc

[plush thistle]

^

[solar sable]

you can tho lol

[plush thistle]

you right you can but dont do it as is was what i meant lol

core armor worth holding onto? i really am lost looking at how it works

[next dawn]

Meh if you not much into build crafting then toss it

[plush thistle]

i realize i have 90% of your pistol build is it worth assembling? i am missing the big horn thou ironically

[next dawn]

It's a fun build I made I can comfortably hit 1.5-2.5 million with it but you are a bit squishy even with the bulwark shield

The 2 primary are just placeholder you can use whatever you like

I just perfer using the big horn

[plush thistle]

could i swap it for the pistol for the uh kard to help with squishy or does that nerf damage?

[hazy steeple]

@plush thistle Just an FYI: the Kard TDI's +1 Skill Tier only works when you have it in your hand.

[next dawn]

If you want more armor you can do artificer in swap with the reviver hive and use the liberty

[plush thistle]

ah snap guess that wouldn't work

[next dawn]

You can also swap out claws out for the forge for more sheild hp

[hazy steeple]

IIRC Forge's bonus only works off the shield's base health.

It's been a minute since I've ran it though.

[plush thistle]

hmm 50% i could probably try it i feel like thats a mistake to swap thou it is 11% dmg

[shy willow]

Yes

It's still a sizeable increase but the 50 percent is false advertising

[hazy steeple]

@plush thistle Do you happen to have a Tempest laying around? It's an Exotic pistol.

[next dawn]

It's a balancing act for damage and armor

So pick your poison

[hazy steeple]

You can currently get the blueprint from the Team-9 Elite Kill Squads if not.
It works as a quite solid DPS Tank that I've used more than a few times to carry newer teams in Heroic strongholds during the last Stretch Goals farm.

[edgy merlin]

got chc 🫶 do i keep going or should I optimize now?

[hazy steeple]

That's the meta roll, optimise if you want to add Expertise to it.

[next dawn]

I would optimize here but if you want to gamble then you do you

[edgy merlin]

thanks guys!

[plush thistle]

nah just optimize it unless you like gambling but i swear it leads to ruin

[hazy steeple]

Exotic Components are too valuable to waste on saving some Opti Mats.

You still need 45 to get to 30 Expertise on 1 item.

[plush thistle]

i unfortunately dont i only have aquired 2 exotic pistols both in which i never touched beezy bee and mosquito

[next dawn]

One stash exotic and one pretty good exotic

[plush thistle]

ill go for that by team 9 i'm assuming thats escalation?

[next dawn]

Retaliation

[plush thistle]

oh black tusk?

[solar sable]

black tusk to be specific

[plush thistle]

gotchu well that should pop up soon then cause thats all i've been doing really

[hazy steeple]

Team-9 can appear in any faction's retaliation, just to be 100% clear.
but they'll only be here for this Season.

[next dawn]

Team 9 is special as they can spawn in from any faction kill squad

[hazy steeple]

Manny has some special dialogue when they appear too, a sort of "the hell?".

[solar sable]

higher chances if BT agitation is higher than 100%

[hazy steeple]

@solar sable Source?

[plush thistle]

sounds good i got a 300% atm

[hazy steeple]

AFAIK there's no higher chance of them spawning in any particular faction if you have them stacked up, but doing more Retal's is never going to hurt your spawn chances.

Take your time to kill them if you need to. It's more important to get them to die than you finish the Retal with plenty of time left.

[plush thistle]

i find it annoying to keep fast traveling to mission air musuem after a single retal so ya i just stack it high lol

[hazy steeple]

Stacking is a good idea, but the whole "higher chance to spawn them above 100%" thing is the first time I've heard that.

[strange sandal]

ok ii got some questions so im runnin striker build with overdogs what pieces of striker shud i run

[plush thistle]

its all good if it is or isn't i hope it is thou i do feel like stacking them higher makes them more difficult so it may increase it

[hazy steeple]

Everything but the chest, that's only good for enemies that have stupidly high health pools, like in later Escalations/incursion/ uh Countdown Heroic, sorta.
for the Chest slot, Equaliser is quite meta, Ceska is the backup.

[plush thistle]

head, backpack, holster, knee pads are my usual 4 solo you could use memento but i dont think its worth

[hazy steeple]

You do not want to run the Striker chest for the majority of times, it is very much not worth it.

the backpack is great, but Memento can work if you need it. Overdogs is realyl good though.

[strange sandal]

okay do u sugest overdogs over the other crit helmet that is exotic

[hazy steeple]

Overdogs is really good with Striker, Coyotes is good too, but Overdogs is amazing once you get the hang of the heirachy of enemies. There's a guide in the 📌 pinned-message in this channel.

#td2-build-advice message

[plush thistle]

does summit at 188% xp boost the fastest xp gain?

[solar sable]

not really, no, it's the slowest method

[hazy steeple]

It's not the slowest.

Unfortunately, not even close to the fastest though.
There's a guide 📌 pinned over in #ask-td2-community for control point farming. I'd recommend you wait for a x3 or x5 SHD XP event before you start that though.

[subtle bluff]

doing a combination of stuff is generally faster.

[noble umbra]

I’m weird and use no exotic armour and in return use two piece unit alloys for 20% assault damage bonus

[nimble moss]

Overdog is multiplicative damage, 20% assault rifle is additive. Honestly there's a gap between them.

[plush thistle]

you dont have to use an exotic it's just overdogs is just better is all plus your not having to limit yourself to ar's only allows for more weapon diversity

[plush thistle]

bumma got all excited when i saw that mutliplier haha

[noble pelican]

Not weird at all; I've seen tons of T10 solo runs so far and the majority of people don't run them.

[noble pelican]

There absolutely is, but it still depends on what content you run and it's difficulty.
We don't have people at SHD 30k+ running T10 Solo without them for no reason.

[nimble moss]

Yeah I totally agree. Depend of solo or group play too and skill (can u manage not to die). DPS is a thing, content, fun, and test are anothers.

[noble pelican]

I personally use them in legendary (solo/group), but wouldn't want to use them in heroic/escalation, because - unlike legendary - you don't have pre-determined enemies per spawn on those difficulties and that sadly cuts down a ton on uptime and results in moments where I absolutely prefer a 20% additive bonus, over a 30% multiplicative one that isn't active.

Entirely ignoring that T6+ solo is stressful enough without having to worry about enemy prio's because of your own gear.

[subtle bluff]

a ton? Pretty sure it's only like a handful of ppl if maybe 2.

[noble pelican]

Out of the 12 people I've seen clearing T10 solo so far, 7 didn't use any exotic.

12 likely isn't a lot (I'm not sure how many people actually clear T10 solo), but it's definitely not rare to find a "Non Overdogs" run, at the very least.

[hazy steeple]

It would probably clear up some confusion if you let Chow' have a link to a record of these solos.

[noble pelican]

I've prev. linked multiple already, inlc. Toasty's explanation on why he doesn't run them, for example.

[subtle bluff]

I just meant in general. Misleading saying a ton of solo runs.
If you meant I've watched and rewatch a done of of runs T10 sure.

Nah I know the handful of people that i've done it already.

I'll always question when things may get out of context for some of the hardest content in this game. Solo incurison and now t10. That's it.

[noble pelican]

I've specifically stated "12 people", not "Watched the same video 12 times".
Not sure what wasn't clear about that statement.

[hazy steeple]

You two keep it civil, I've gotta bounce.

[subtle bluff]

anyways

[noble pelican]

Tons of runs, from 12 different people, 7 of them not running exotics in these runs.

Clear enough?

[subtle bluff]

Ya I'm moving on. I know what I stated.

[strong cave]

I think they're all good so far. Personally what I can gather from Toasty changing his setups is him intentionally hitting the harder targets first with those boosted stats off of Hollowman or Contractors/Ceska Vigi. LMG builds are ruling because of the mag size, the guns come with DTTOC natively so you can stack more crit chance, and on top of that LMG talents are significantly stronger than AR talents. Overdogs gloves are very good, absolutely none of the content creators making these runs are saying it's bad. It's something to do with how the enemy health scales and stuff is what is making these pieces worth more to take, instead of playing "well, I hope the game throws me more weaker links"

You can't control what the game throws at you, but you can pick which will have a more consistent uptime. Which hollowman in this case will apply to every enemy, at some point. Contractors, not so much. But every last squeeze of damage is heavily required in tier 10. Considering overdogs uptime isn't as often as the other 2 named pieces

Don't mind me, I'm just regurgitating half of what I gathered from Toasty's explanations. I've yet to bother past tier 3 escalation

[noble pelican]

Toasty's main point is actually that Escalation is basically Heroic and unlike Legendary, spawns aren't set.

You don't always have the exact same enemies coming out of the exact same door and he had a lot of situations where for example a rusher/gunner pushing him had to be focused, without being the current "priority" for Overdogs, meaning in the situations where it actually mattered, it's a +0% buff that's smaller than any other (additive) one could be.

It's why I enjoy running them in legendary; You already know what to focus and how to maximize uptime based on spawns.

[strong cave]

I love overdogs myself. Maybe when I can muster up the patience and a desire to try out tier 10 to really push my skills, I'll give them a run and see how they do

For me, I don't see a point wasting an hour of my life just to have 1 prototype piece drops (even then, 2% is 2%, it likely won't even drop) and the other rewards are booty cheeks

[noble pelican]

Yea I've done T6 so far and.. unless you have nothing better to do in the game (which is likely a ton of people), I don't see the point in pushing for consistent T10 runs.

[bold kestrel]

i use the striker drone with a mod which gives 9,0% health, but the stats decrease if i put it on, not increase. Why?
wihout mod i have + 1.486.xxx LP, if i put the 9% health mod i have +1.438.xxx LP ... the main LP is 3.503.xxxx
if i calc 9% out of 3.503.xxx i have 315.270 LP. Shouldn't this number be added?

[strong cave]

Stat bug. Still yet to be fixed

[summer totem]

4 piece core strength with salvo and memento a goated hybrid solo build

[strong cave]

I personally want to see what the hype is with it in pvp. But I don't want to use the chest plate

[bold kestrel]

you sai,it is actually working as intended, just not showing on the page?

[summer totem]

Drone turret build i mean

Too lazy to ss but yeah good for solo heroic retals too

[strong cave]

Yeah the stat page bugs out all the time. The numbers aren't always 100% accurate

[bold kestrel]

ic,k

[plush thistle]

how am i at 59 chc? i didnt know that was possible i've gotten 58 chc several times but not 59 so the question is do i waste a slot of chd for chc or not?

ah build helps sorry nego

[nimble moss]

I've considered trying LMG, but never did so far, stayed with assault rifle. But I wanna get ride of this saint elmo as it cannot be prototyped and try something else. Which LMG do you think would be "bis" with a standard striker build to try it out ? I'd say for higher tier content, probly more in group (high escalation or legendary).

I mean I'm asking him because he talked about it but if anyone has a take about it all good too xd

[strong cave]

I personally use MG5 with fast hands right now since Agitator is my Secondary. However, you can use the M249 B or the MK LMG (mk45 or mk46, one of those two). GR9 is also okay for the big mag size

When I'm not using Agitator, I'm definitely using Iron Lung. My secondary with lung would be Tactical MK16 with measured

[dreamy valve]

I’m personally looking forward to trying out his 6 blue core build against Rogue spawns for T10. I was already salivating when he showed us the loadout for it

[nimble moss]

I see. Guess we looking for CHC as we cant roll DOTOC ?

[strong cave]

DTTOC comes on all LMGs so crit chance would be best. If you have plenty of crit chance (example, Pakhan) feel free to throw on rate of fire

[plush thistle]

i mean idk if these work but the ones i've tried and liked for lmg's is a little diverse but iron lung burn damage, m249 B, e60, MG5 (infantry or not doesnt matter), Gr9, and Blue Screen; im forgetting one but oh well it might come back to me

[strong cave]

Pestilence is another fun one on CoCo or 3 Lengmo unicorn

[noble pelican]

Toasty actually quickly explains why he uses the MK46 over options like the GR9 in the same video about Overdogs; Accuracy.

[nimble moss]

Right right. Thank you for your answers.
Now I need to find which perk is iron lung in my language 🤣

[strong cave]

Yup yup that's a big factor. I myself don't have the issue too much since I use a small micro dot crosshair on my screen. I don't know 100% off the top of my head if he does

[strong cave]

Exotic LMG

[plush thistle]

ya iron lung by default comes with bullets that create fire damage useful for status and getting enemies out of cover

[nimble moss]

Ok that's why I didn't find it 🤣 I'm dumb, need to sleep instead of expertise XD

[strong cave]

It's genuinely not bad. It's one of those builds you need to be up front in front of their faces to really get the most out of it

Otherwise you're just an armor proc bot

[plush thistle]

i guess you could add gear shift but i only would use that with for say tippin scales but even then its meh i didnt really like it that much some ppl do thou

[strong cave]

I'd honestly rather use an M60 tinker build (Ongoing in this case) with Sadist + Frenzy

[plush thistle]

thats an interesting take

m60 has 190 with gunner mag correct?

[ruby vale]

Op builds hands down 💯

[analog mural]

tinkerer enjoyer

lowk ive been using the striker chest for escalation and the NPCs still tanked half of my big al mag holy shit

[strong cave]

I think 150

[strong cave]

Is nobody here going to ask why he has 2 named items on a tinkerer mask? 🤦

[ruby vale]

That big al go right with a good 4 piece striker 💯

[analog mural]

didnt gunner mag had like 80 or even 100 at some point

[strong cave]

And again, another screenshot where he's using tinkerer with a NAMED ITEM LOL

[analog mural]

o is it the famas with frenzy coz frenzy cant be on ARs

[ruby vale]

Do u know how the tinker mask works?

[strong cave]

And the 2 Lexington's....

[plush thistle]

for humor and curiosity if you did the increase in mag modifier as well would that be benefitial to outweigh the 135% head shot damage?

[strong cave]

I do, do you?

[analog mural]

at the beginning it does say cant work with named or exotic items

[icy hedge]

anyone have a armor regen build

[analog mural]

just slap on memento to any dps build and u got decent armor regen

while still dealing significant dmg i might add

doesnt work in group play tho

[icy hedge]

wait it works?

[subtle bluff]

There useless, unless it's for PvP

[plush thistle]

i would recommend for starters to do armor on kill instead of regen sense most regen is weaker than kill

[icy hedge]

pve only

[analog mural]

yuh memento at max stacks give u 3% armor regen

and also if u wanted a relatively constant armor regen just run HF + gunner with 2-3 blue cores

[subtle bluff]

Regen is a wasteful stats in PvE.

[strong cave]

I have one but I wouldnt recommend a tank build to just any player. It takes a very aggressive playstyle to run

[subtle bluff]

AoK, Memento are the better ways of getting back armor without losing out on DMG stats

[subtle bluff]

But even your isn't a Regen focus build.

[strong cave]

In most scenarios having more damage is better off. As they say, a good defense is a solid offense

[strong cave]

Youve got a very solid point there. The Regen is just helpful

Considering passive armor % Regen is good enough in this game

[weak quail]

Finally tried memento last night and can agree it’s amazing

[analog mural]

meme

[weak quail]

I usually play solo or duo, im assuming it falls off in squads due to others killing them?

[analog mural]

oh yea it sucks in squad play, anything with on kill talent sucks

[strong cave]

Yeah on squads it'll fall off hard. Duos would be where id stop using it

Anything more than 2 people and you kinda waste an exotic slot taking memento

[weak quail]

Makes sense

[plush thistle]

duo is ok if your carrying someone else or there just chillin in back as your back up anything past that just isn't good

[subtle bluff]

Unless you know you're gonna carry it's ok then...

[plush thistle]

lol some people have friends ya know

[weak quail]

A friend of mine got the game recently and that would probably work with them as we are doing their mains on challenging with the radar and ragers modifiers instead of story haha

Doesnt squads spawn more enemies? It could probably still work. I also noticed even drone kills drop the buffs, gives you some motivation to go after every little thing

[warm lagoon]

What is a easy build for Pestilence?
Im trying to put together a loadout for my girl where she can just shoot and not have to worry about shooting certain targets with overdogs
Im guessing Tipping Scales is the way to go?

[plush thistle]

its not just exactly more of them its also scales (chow correct me if wrong) up to 3 people 4th person it doesnt scale further adding the 4th player damage remains same but armor gets ridiculous

[flint arch]

@strong cave ngl this shit's funny

[weak quail]

I was told it’s 40% health and more enemies per player added. Idk for certain either

[wicked echo]

Can anyone share a simple striker build ?

[grim bluff]

Check the pinned spreadsheet, has all the info

[weak quail]

I actually had a lot of fun using pestilence when i was running refactor. It turns out pestilence stacks don’t care about crits which would probably explain why it worked. Only damage to armor and to out of cover, but correct me if I’m wrong. Could be a good low effort build that works for her to run (with striker drone and assault sentry)

[wicked echo]

I think I have all gears but not sure if i should run all gear striker or no. Also whats a good weapon to use ?

[subtle bluff]

CoCo the focus build for it TS can work decent.
Guides are in the build hub

[muted ridge]

Might just be me with this concern, but this Core Strength gear set invalidates most build craft for Heroic/Challenging content. 6 skill tiers, memento and Capacitor and you can be skill player, a tank, and a dps all at the same time. 2.2mil armour, 60% crit, 100% CHD, max skills.

At least with high end builds there was always a trade off. Skills build was low gun dps and health, tank build was low dps etc etc This gear set is too easy and I think needs to be retuned.

[plush thistle]

swap skills or weapons as you see fit

[weak quail]

You only need 4 pieces

[strong cave]

Whos group did you crash 😂

[flint arch]

dien

[strong cave]

What he think of it? 😂

[wicked echo]

Great I got these gloves yesterday!

[flint arch]

i dunno he didn't say anything

[subtle bluff]

He's played me a ton on hornbreaker it's nothing new

Has long as you're not in his way he doesn't rreally care.

[strong cave]

Probably thinks it so dumb it's good

[flint arch]

[subtle bluff]

I mean he play with 6 Skill Teir support tank a lot so..

[strong cave]

It's easily my favorite build

[plush thistle]

nice, you could use sacrifice chest piece instead if your comfortable with it that will apply outgoing damage buff to your skills as well like turrets for example

[wicked echo]

Sacrifice is a talent right ?

[strong cave]

Named providence chest piece

[wicked echo]

Oh. Thanks for the help I appreciate it

[weak quail]

Alternatively, Ongoing directive works great if she doesn’t like skills

[noble pelican]

Ignore my comment - i thought it's about Refactor still lol.

[plush thistle]

your good haha i was wondering if that was a refactor comment

[plush thistle]

so if you used a turret and drone your saying kinetic would be better for a refactor build? what would you change on this for squad deployment herioc general content

[plush thistle]

np i share what little i learned/know

[hexed steppe]

This is a hybrid version for more active wd. Personally I would focus skill. Youre running less than 6 skilltiers (only 5) for some aok when the set heals you anyways.

Kinetic is stronger for skills but wont help your weapon

[noble pelican]

Glass Cannon is 30% total, as a separate modifier.
Kinetic is a 2x15% total skill damage at max stacks, for 30% (or 2x27% for Perfected)

If you run hybrid (with Capacitor) and your weapon dmg is a decent chunk of your total damage, Glass Cannon comes out ahead; Otherwise Kinetic adds more.

[hexed steppe]

Pretty sure kinetic is more. Its 1.5% sd per stack iirc

[noble pelican]

1% per stack capping at 15 stacks on the base version for 15%, twice if you run two skills.
1.5% (and 18 stacks) is the "Perfected" variant.

[hexed steppe]

Why would you use anything but perfect

[noble pelican]

I wouldn't; I simply explained both variants.

[hexed steppe]

I think normal is buffed a while back too. Are you referencing the talent in game or on one of the build sites?

Cursed autocorrect 🤦‍♂️

[noble pelican]

Perfected at least shows 1.5% in-game, lemme check the normal one..

Yea, normal shows 1.5% too, meaning you're at (up to) 45% even with that.

[plush thistle]

would wyrn be best backpack to choose for squad play and keep everything else the same?

[hexed steppe]

Honestly you don't doing much wd on those builds. I use force multiplier and make sure the skills are at top damage

[plush thistle]

thats hana-u backpack right?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[noble pelican]

I'd honestly focus on skill damage over trying to bring the Capacitor in as well.

Swapping the chest to Impetus (Named Wyvern for Perfected KM) and potentially even dropping Memento for something like Birdies to secure revives no matter what; The extra weapon dmg/armor/regen is.. fairly pointless.

[hexed steppe]

Dont forget to adjust your modifiers to stack in the skill damage.

Birdies is a hot swap item. Dont need to run it fulltime

[noble pelican]

Personally, -80% revive time and 50% damage resist for 10 seconds (manual revive) + overcharge at least beats the benefits of Memento.

But yea, likely not needed for heroic/challenging.

[jaunty surge]

What do you think about refactor healer on T7+ escalation?

[plush thistle]

attributes are 1st skill damage and 2nd haste on all pieces just double checking

[hexed steppe]

My setup is haste. That secondary attribute has some flexibility tho, which is why you see crit on some of these refsctor setups

Youll technically be able to stagger when you shut down a skill so something is always up so it makes haste a little less needed

[grim bluff]

Force Multiplier is a great backpack, very easy to keep the buff up since you want to be shooting to keep capacitor buff up and/or use Test Subject (or a sidearm) for In Sync

[copper yarrow]

Any suggestions for an Umbra build? And what would be a good weapon to use with it?

[plush thistle]

ah ok, so 7 haste, 4 skill damage (includes mods) or should i add another skill damage instead of haste you think?

[jaunty surge]

I use Force multiplier and perfectly in sync. In escalation, it's hard to keep shooting consistently.

[hexed steppe]

As much skill damage as possible. Thats your primary roll on everything

[plush thistle]

gotchu ty for recommendation ill give it a shot

[plush thistle]

do you use kard at all if you dont have an angle with capacitor?

[hexed steppe]

No. I only use cap or harmony

I think quick step is my pistol for movement

[plush thistle]

makes sense

[strong cave]

You're telling me

🚗 gotta go fast boi

[plush thistle]

chameleon damage to armor or chd for attribute?

[lone glacier]

Dtooc.

[strong cave]

Damage to Targets out of Cover

[noble pelican]

Am I missing something about the Perfected variant here?

[versed summit]

you're really better off skipping the backpack, the set gives fast enough regen without it, and you lose signficant damage taking it.

[noble pelican]

Just tried in-game; They both reset.. meaning the perfect variant changes.. nothing, but just fixes the description? lol

[grim bluff]

Determined shouldn't reset if you get a kill, while perfectly does

Perfectly makes it a guaranteed crit headshot instead

[dapper glacier]

they way i play i want the stack quicker so i can get it in 2.5 instead of 5 seconds

[noble pelican]

Yea, the "critical" part is the only difference I've found so far.
They reset in the same way.

[soft crane]

What does Umbra do?

[dapper glacier]

I hide for 2.5 seconds to charge, I rush out to delete a room, and then I dive back into cover to instantly heal all my health back. Rinse and repeat

[strong cave]

It was also the cheesiest pvp set, not anymore

[dapper glacier]

core strength

[strong cave]

Ditch the backpack, take a Ceska bag with Vigi instead. And honestly, I'd ditch coyote and take overdogs or tinkerer

[summer totem]

Imagine if perfect determined resets per shot

[copper yarrow]

Thank you, appreciate it

[strong cave]

Normal determined was intended to work like perfect determined without the guaranteed crit headshot. The normal talent is bugged and isn't actually supposed to refresh itself. Devs won't touch it because they know if they do, it essentially wipes MMRs off the "weapon of choice" for plenty, and there will be a major outcry

[dapper glacier]

also try the things peeps are saying here

[strong cave]

I'd highly suggest not taking umbra backpack

[hexed steppe]

Fix determined 2026

[strong cave]

I would be okay if they made it to where missing your shot removed your proc. Let it refresh itself

[hexed steppe]

Make mmrs a high skill weapon again

[strong cave]

If you can't manage to even hit a body, you deserve to lose your determined

[strong cave]

Foam:

[flint arch]

i still miss heads on foamed enemies sir

[strong cave]

SKILL ISSUE

[solar sable]

agreed

[hexed steppe]

Determined is such a toxic talent imho. Solo its fine, but in group its just trash

[summer totem]

Is nemesis a good sniper, if we exclude the talent determined

[strong cave]

Nemesis is still a very solid MMR. Shroud stacks weirdly with headhunter so I personally prefer Nemmie over Shroud

[hexed steppe]

Mantis is one of the best mmr if you consider qol with solid performance as well

[strong cave]

Mantis is perfect for decoy lovers

[summer totem]

How so

[strong cave]

I use Nemmie/Mantis interchangeably since in pvp both are very strong. @summer totem getting kills with mantis resets decoy cooldown instantly if one is dropped and enemies aren't Targeting you

[hexed steppe]

High damage, talent allows for more damage and decoy reset

[strong cave]

And it'll always show you where their heads are. So even if you aren't in render distance you know where the head is

[summer totem]

Dang

[solar sable]

dont forget the sound

[hexed steppe]

Sandstorms

[summer totem]

I only need 1 part for nemesis

What retals drop mantis bp

[strong cave]

I'll fist fight you. Nemesis takes the cake. That charge up and that crisp "PEW" is eargasm

[solar sable]

crispy, like leaves creaking... satisfactory.

[dapper glacier]

for a hotshot build nemesis or shroud?

[strong cave]

Both. Nemesis helps initial shot damage. Shroud for amp or whatever

[solar sable]

how can I stop agreeing with you goddammit

[hexed steppe]

Mantis

[strong cave]

Use it in pvp and when you hit that nasty angle dropping a 2.2m bighorn armor Regen build in 1 go, you tend to laugh in uncontrollable ways

[summer totem]

Wrong reply, also thoughts on this build?

[strong cave]

I'd personally just use Ceska since the burst off salvo won't make much of a difference

[solar sable]

I'm going to sleep, it's 5am 🤣

[strong cave]

Funny, it's 07:18 for me

[zenith marsh]

can anyone recommend a build for heroic retaliation? just came back to the game

[summer totem]

The 75% bonus from cores tho

[strong cave]

I meant swap the holster

[summer totem]

Are we from the same country

[strong cave]

Likely the same time zone, if anything

[uncut yarrow]

How would you both be from the same timezone yet be at different times

[loud sleet]

You can just run a good damage build that works

Or if you have a friend to play with one can run as example an refactor healer build and other can run an damage build

You'll find good knowledge in the pinned spreadhseet

[steel venture]

Any advice for my build? I want to focus on headshot damage... I’m still having trouble finding the best gear mods... or is focusing entirely on headshots not a good idea?

In Heroic mode with all directives, the situation is still manageable.
But in Escalation mode T5, I need several shots to take down enemies, especially elite enemies when playing solo, and even more shots when playing in a group.

[willow sigil]

You cannot. But you can be in the same time zone band and be in different time zones.

[uncut yarrow]

Same time zone band. What even is that

[loud sleet]

Here is minu with full stacks around 1.2-1.4m for each headshot with the bighorn

[loud sleet]

With the marksman mode around was it 5-8 million

[uncut yarrow]

There's 24 time zones. If youre in the time zone, it is x time, typically

[loud sleet]

You should just run damage cores ofc

[versed summit]

this kind of build won't work well in escalation. you need a dps build. I'd also really recommend dropping the hotshot backpack for an airaldi/providence backpack with vigilance.

[strong cave]

Yeah 4 piece hotshot kinda died when Dogs dropped

[versed summit]

it's still fine for the utility, but hotshot backpack was never ok

[steel venture]

Thank you, I'll give it a try.

[strong cave]

Yeah having a topped off mag is always nice. I personally don't bother with 4 piece anymore since I never run out of ammo regardless. 1 shot 1 kill, sometimes 2 - 3 shots with a helmet

If you blow thru 150+ MMR ammo, there's a problem

[willow sigil]

Right. But someone directly north or south of you can be in a different time zone than you, even someone in the same region as you can be in a time zone depending on the season.

[strong cave]

I moreso meant my statement as "we can be in different countries but still under the same time zone"

US/Mexico/Canada shares time zones depending where you are in all 3 countries

[lone violet]

The more videos I see about core strength for pve the more I want to make it but like this one build video I saw had me like “ummm…”

[versed summit]

IMO there just doesn't seem to be a way to get enough damage out of it to make sense.

[dreamy valve]

Trap gearset?

[lone violet]

Someone ran booster hive and decoy and only used that exotic shot gun to one tap purple in escalations and that pistol from the tech class

[ivory abyss]

videos are purely for content, i dont think there is any real way to make core str anything other than a fun set to use

you will lack in damage by far compared to most other options out there, but if you want something new and refreshing to use then by all means

[lone violet]

Your telling me but I don’t want to be baited but it looks like “it works”

[ivory abyss]

Whatever build that is for I am sure there is one similar w/o core str that does better lol

[dreamy valve]

Only one way to find out. I’ll be doing some testing as well

[hexed steppe]

pvp set

[lone violet]

I been wanting to make a pvp build in case I have to go into the dark zone im impressed of what core strength does in that aspect

[ivory abyss]

yeah core str can work in pvp for sure. apparently it holds up and can compete with the meta options out there

[summer totem]

How does decoy work in pvp, do people actually fall for it

[dreamy valve]

Hmm yeah it pure stat checks other builds

[hexed steppe]

when everything pvp is blue cores, something that stacks red cores on top is gonna be a win

[ivory abyss]

your name plate doesnt show up so people cant see you coming kind of iirc

[soft crane]

Jebaited~

[summer totem]

Does it work in dz

[ivory abyss]

yes

[dreamy valve]

I sometimes shoot my own decoy that I deployed

[analog mural]

are we deadass

[dreamy valve]

Muh ADHD

[summer totem]

Saw a dude start at 17 expertise and be 26 how do you even

[lone glacier]

CD and Houndsman grinding

The biggest bottleneck are the named items

[summer totem]

How many matches in countdown is needed to reach max proficiency?

[lost wren]

wonder if i should just do that for my expertise farming

[grizzled garnet]

to optimize hsd on the seasonal modifier thing what modifiers do i use?

[lone glacier]

Convert 1 Offense, Compress Offense; Nullify

[lone glacier]

Uh.. not sure how many runs of CD but its more so dependent on items donated

[fair dragon]

Also depends on the item's proficiency lv

[ivory abyss]

Also depends on if you are using the item or not

I was using weapons and skills and it took between 2-4 runs of CD or something like that

maybe 3-5 with the event active

[summer totem]

If i

Use separate gear pieces would it level up the gear set whole?

Or does it not work like that

[lone glacier]

Having one item of a certain brand or gearset is enough

[mild dawn]

having more is just more faster

[lone glacier]

True, but at that point youre better off running 3 - 4 CDs to get it proficient by donating

[mild dawn]

one piece of everything shotguns the xp and you dont have to swap pieces around that much

[hazy steeple]

It will also make your team want to murder you.

No trial needed, they'll admit to it for free.

[lone glacier]

I ran Bellringer to get it proficient because I hated mine and my teammates ears

[fair dragon]

Reminds me of The Bane from Borderlands 2

[summer totem]

The road to endgame is grim i see

[fair dragon]

Elaborate

[lone glacier]

Expertise 30 isnt really needed for endgame

[summer totem]

The 30% bonus damage made me think otherwise

[fair dragon]

The point stands

[lone glacier]

I ran solo legendary roosevelt at SHD <100

Matter of gear, positioning and knowing spawns etc

[summer totem]

I'll just try to reach expertise 10 for now

[fair dragon]

True but you cant expect new or casual players to wipe repeatedly to one day be able to do it

They want Rome built in 3 hours because they have 5 spouses, 30 kids and 6 properties to look after

[versed summit]

you can easily out DPS a player with expertise 30 throughout a mission, if you do less DPS, it's due to the factors like using the best pieces on a build, positioning, etc.

[lone glacier]

No one expects you to not die repeatedly in Legendary. Its a learning curve after all. Everyone died at some point.

[bright raptor]

or even being better at aiming

[versed summit]

skill is a factor as well lol

[fair dragon]

Point is some people prefer the quick and easy way. Expertise is free damage so it makes sense to take advantage of that

For them at least

[summer totem]

I yearn for the 5x exp events

[fair dragon]

Point proven

[random pendant]

Wild times

[dreamy valve]

At Lexington High

[ivory abyss]

from escalation?

[random pendant]

Using UA mag upgrade and Modifier to bump mag size further

[lone glacier]

HSD would probably be better tbh.

[random pendant]

Convert 2 (Offense)

[analog mural]

lowk i wish we could get targeted loot drops when playing escalation missions coz it dropping random ass sh isnt worth it

[random pendant]

it wasnt a drop , no

theyve been generally terrible

[analog mural]

i just play escalation and pretend its legendary on regular missions

they totally should have given all missions legendary difficulty and add targeted prototype gear

[random pendant]

Getting an escalated perfect/god roll is like finding unicorn poop ... impossible

[fair dragon]

Why would you want escalation to drop targeted loot? When you deconstruct it you still get only prototype cores

[analog mural]

so i can get striker pieces and not useless trash?

[fair dragon]

Farm strikers normally?

[analog mural]

but i want my strikers to come with 9% chc tho

its a big deal

[fair dragon]

Brother, even with targeted loot, dropped prototype gear is not boosted

How you gonna boost it when it's already in Prototype form?

[ivory abyss]

People have gotten drops with high stat rolls lol not sure why you think its not possible

[analog mural]

id rather take that any day than 0% chance of getting a preferred item

[fair dragon]

Nah i think the real reason anyone wants targeted loot is so they can skip the 45 exo comp per gear pieces requirement.

[ivory abyss]

Which is also great

[fair dragon]

It's a piss take

[ivory abyss]

No its not yours is lol

[analog mural]

exp 30 😔

[ivory abyss]

Also people who want target loot could mean they arent exp 30

[fair dragon]

What

[normal shadow]

Could also be that people really are looking for certain, precise things and not just loot.

[analog mural]

god forbid i didnt treat td2 like my second job

[ivory abyss]

You cannot upgrade your gear unless you are expertise 30 brother, but if you get prototype to drop its automatically exp 30 and usable.

[willow sigil]

Is countdown the only source of optimization caches?

[fair dragon]

I mean, yeah, so they are asking for prototype gear to be handed to them on a golden platter?

[versed summit]

Best farm for it. Other sources are random and sporadic, like Danny Weaver or global events

[willow sigil]

Thanks

[ivory abyss]

Yeah you def are some wanna be elitist with some bad takes who thinks because you have to do it some way everyone has too, enjoy your sour takes bro

[fair dragon]

Not exp30 yet? No worries, forget about it, because its useless

[ivory abyss]

Welcome to live service games

[fair dragon]

Welcome to casual player demands

[willow sigil]

Isn't that the majority though?

[fair dragon]

And even if it is?

[willow sigil]

Then you cater to them

[ivory abyss]

It is but this kid thinks because he had to suffer everyone should lol

[fair dragon]

If we did cater to casual players we wouldn't have Escalation

[grizzled garnet]

ignoring optimization and expertise is there any improvements that can be made?

[ivory abyss]

And yet casual players are clearing escalation lol

[fair dragon]

Thats awesome, so why are they complaining?

[versed summit]

Catering to casual players is almost never a good idea. They have a lower understanding of how the game actually works, and they're not the primary source of income anyways.

[versed summit]

You could swap punch drunk for a zwia mask and take Overdogs

[ivory abyss]

Was he complaining or just asking for target loot lol there is a reason the game changed from its year 1 release state into what it is now aka recalibrations, optimizations, target loot. All escalation did was take the game and bring it back to div 2s early years lol This isnt some new revolutionary end game system for hardcore players lol sorry to break it to ya

[grizzled garnet]

okok. i was wondering bc i've seen people running 2pc breaking point for the +25% rifle damage

[ivory abyss]

The only difference from early div 2 and now is theres a ton more weapons, brand sets and gear sets in the loot pool lol

[versed summit]

That slipped my mind. That is the optimal rifle HH setup, but I do not remember the pieces.

[grizzled garnet]

and optimization, and weapons only having 1 talent, and 2 raids and 1 incursion and countdown and summit

[ivory abyss]

Im talking from a looting stand point not content

[grizzled garnet]

theres this from ikia but its over 1 yr old

[versed summit]

Yeah nothings been added to change it

[ivory abyss]

A lot of ikias builds still hold up i think

[versed summit]

He's updated them till at least last season

[willow sigil]

They statistically are though. 99% casual will always bring more revenue than 1% whale, especially in a game without an inf high value money sink.

[ivory abyss]

Now someone new has to take the reigns!

[honest moss]

Outside of OD, what is the next go to for a rifle build? Not 1886 but like SIG or UIC.

High end or aces? Breakpoint is odd right?

[shy willow]

Catering too much to either extreme is a recipe for disaster

[lone glacier]

ND could work @honest moss

[shy willow]

Personally I think they've done pretty well here there's something for everyone

[fair dragon]

There are posts on here and there among online communities asking for targeted loot, recalibration, optimisation etc. on prototype gear. If these systems are in place, do you realise how game-changing this will be? It will make the Expertise system obsolete. All those incentives in past events, like Proficiency events, wasted. What was originally intended for Prototype gear to be decon junk is being requested by players to be a separate endgame farming path.

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t8scmBL7foH9QqFCs5t70xHZqul05ZMQ8Q0cXPosRhw/edit?tab=t.0

ofc it doesnt embed

[shy willow]

I don't think recal or optimisation is an unreasonable demand

[grizzled garnet]

diamond dilema. its old but looks fun

[lone glacier]

You should not run Diamondback. Its a waste.

[shy willow]

Target loot is where you could probably argue it's a lil silly

[gentle lichen]

can anyone here even imagine farming brands with no targeted let alone gearsets that have their own rarity
it's a useless time sink

[fair dragon]

But what is the goal? To bypass the RNG of the boosts?

[versed summit]

Prototype gear being decon junk is just not a rewarding system IMO

[mild dawn]

recal or optimization for proto gear just means those who are at expertise 30 will get their new maxed gear and never touch escalation

[versed summit]

Really would only use this on Boomer in DH

[shy willow]

More or less, the RNG is abysmal

[grizzled garnet]

i mean most games have loot pools for activities so how different is that from targeted loot besides the daily rotation?

[shy willow]

Obsoletes the expertise system

[gentle lichen]

to get something you want with the current rng is literally one in a hundred thousand

[fair dragon]

So... players want to bypass the exo comp requirement AND the boost RNG? Oh dear, its worse than I thought

[shy willow]

Nobody wins here really

[shy willow]

I've got no quarrel paying components 😭

[mild dawn]

proto gear should get the rng stat rerolling that exotics have currently

[shy willow]

Just sick of the rolls being so underwhelming

[fair dragon]

How much of your day is gonna be ruined if you dont get the rolls you wanted? And also how much of a difference in performance would it make if you had all pieces triple-boosted?

[grizzled garnet]

https://trello.com/c/b4osEAde/375-y8s1-pts-developer-notes

[mild dawn]

striker days are going to be busy

[grizzled garnet]

striker, ar and lmg

[gentle lichen]

i'm gonna have my entire month ruined if i do escalation for the whole season without getting a single good item because that is literally what is happening

[shy willow]

The way it is rn it's easier and less painful to just upgrade your gear instead of farming for useful prototypes

[willow sigil]

I personally don't see the point in the new system. It's just a band aid to extend the longevity of the game. It doesn't add anything of value. You're only farming esc to get proto, to farm more esc, to get more proto. It's it own closed loop that could just be its own game. It doesn't affect the core game in any meaningful way.

[shy willow]

Admittedly I haven't kept a single natural drop

[gentle lichen]

we have to be trolling if the only good thing that comes out of escalation is the bad drops so you can turn into cores
this is just a resource farm then not a loot one

[fair dragon]

Here is what confused me. Why do you expect to get anything good out of it? Why doesnt anyone realise dropped loot is decon junk?

[gentle lichen]

because they added a new rarity type?? that we would like to use to its full power??
what's the point of a 1.5x multiplier if only 1 stat that you have no power of choosing gets it

[grizzled garnet]

me when people wonder why they have to content with rng in an rng game

[fair dragon]

Thats the point of RNG

[gentle lichen]

i get rng but not casino rng

[mild dawn]

with current loot grind theres a carrot at the end of the stick, current escalation is only stick

[fair dragon]

You either settle with what you get or die trying to get what you want

[fair dragon]

Another point, loot wasn't the main premise of Escalation. Its a game mode for those who want to challenge themselves, so I imagine loot is just a bonus

[shy willow]

It's fun but it needs upgrades for sure

System is very barebones as is

[versed summit]

Best drop I've gotten is a custom brazen m870 with DTH

[lone glacier]

It doesn't help Escalation that its basically Heroic with increased Damage, Health, Armor and Modifiers...

[fair dragon]

Well they made it difficult for a reason

[grizzled garnet]

do yall agree that they should've held off on releasing escalation and prototypes until its further refined like people were saying in pts

[willow sigil]

There's no need to make it deep right? What is the reward for t10?

[fair dragon]

I don't... wha-

[shy willow]

I had a dttooc M1A with perpetuation😔

[versed summit]

So close

[shy willow]

Some exotic components, recon data, recalibration data and exp

[gentle lichen]

the fact it was released as is when everyone voiced their opinion prior to it being added is crazy enough for me

[shy willow]

I would like some kind of guaranteed core bonus or something depending on tier and/or for fighting rogues

[mild dawn]

"with increasing difficulty and rewards"
sure the difficulty is going up but the rewards arent, thus stick with no carrot

[gentle lichen]

they didn't even have targeted optimisation recalibration even in mind and they admitted it

[willow sigil]

Yeah so there really is no rush to get to t10. This system needs to keep players engaged long enough for d3 to come out.

[shy willow]

I'm already there lmao

[willow sigil]

Lol right so what now

[shy willow]

Most people critiquing it are, that's why we're critiquing it

[willow sigil]

If anything I'd imagine you guys would want even more tiers. Or slow the advancement down even more

[grizzled garnet]

i havent even touched escalation yet :3

[gentle lichen]

I stopped at t4 when i realised my time playing it wasn't being respected enough

[versed summit]

I've lost interest in it overall. The modifiers and steroid scaling feels like an unrewarding challenge. There's parts of it I appreciate, but everything being bullet spongy is in fact not that rewarding IMO.

[fair dragon]

Yeah, not my cup of seawater

[gentle lichen]

It's all the same you just shoot an enemy for longer
Oh and you get health gated in 1 shot just like 4 player scaling in legendary

[willow sigil]

I dont think that's because of the current drop rate, or quality though. I think it's because there's no reason to keep pushing when all you're getting at the very end is more of the same thing you are getting right now.

[grizzled garnet]

im more interested in the new incursion coming at some point rather than the escalation mode

[gentle lichen]

I was interested in the exotic components rewards but i thought to myself if it's really worth the slog

[mild dawn]

if youre expertise 30 and with gorillion exo comps, just boost characters to 40, do incursion and use the two cores to pull the slot machine lever

[willow sigil]

Is it a large amount of exotic comp at t10?

[fair dragon]

Tbh i just want them to massively buff the drop rates. Or massively reduce the augment rerolling/leveling costs

[shy willow]

The reroll costs are insane

[fair dragon]

Indeed they are

It worries me people are not even complaining about this.

[shy willow]

Especially if you wanna bank on one augment for your build it'd take probably thousands of hours

[fair dragon]

Yeah, and the more of the same augments you have, the less likely it is for you to get it on the next piece. Its absurd.

[shy willow]

That's a thing?

[fair dragon]

I would think so, in PTS, I got 3 of the same augment with ease. The 4th piece took a bit of time, and the 5th piece took like 1200 prototype cores

Suffice to say I gave up on the 6th piece

[mild dawn]

just put on something with the wrong augments then to fool the system

surely the odds are the same per item regardless of how many you've gotten before

the weighting on specific augments to make them less likely to appear could be a thing but im not going to start testing that

[versed summit]

People have to get gear worth rerolling lol

[soft crane]

Haha, good to see people starting to realize escalation is dogsh*t gamemode.

Legendary difficulty ftw.

[trim abyss]

ya out of 30 runs, ive only found ONE piece of prototype gear

[shy willow]

I wouldn't go as far as to call it that

I still enjoy it but it needs changes

[coral reef]

this is some serious bad luck. What tier do you play on?

[patent fossil]

That's just rng, it took me about 3k proto cores to get a set of the same augment, but the last piece was one of the quickest

[rich cosmos]

I think beyond tier 5 you should have a near guaranteed chance to get one at the mission completion

At the end of the day I also just really don’t like the tier system they made

[trim abyss]

between 3 to 6, it seems the RNG only works for 1 person at a time

[coral reef]

i finished tier 8 and at several points i asked myself... "why am i even doing this?" The boost on enemy health break the game.

[analog mural]

pseudo legendary difficulty as an excuse to replay old missions with hp bloat slop so u put on the strikers chest

[rich cosmos]

Its designed for prototype gear damage builds, but released in the same update that they were released in

[analog mural]

how hard is it to give all missions legendary difficulty + additional modifiers or something

lowk feels like the great gear reset but this time it doesnt feel as bad as an increased lvl cap

[coral reef]

i played with some guy that had a tipping scales build with god rolls all over on weapon damage and fox prayer kneepads with god roll on DTTOOC. Tier 3. At the end, his damage and kills were not that much higher than the one from my humble non-prototyped concentrated company build

[rich cosmos]

I mean skill issue still is a factor

[coral reef]

nah that guy was good lol cmon

i think a fully done prototype build, will also have issues on T8+

[rich cosmos]

The point Im making, is that this difficulty they added is designed with prototype in mind

[coral reef]

BUT.... its still a fun mode, im enjoying the grinding on lower levels

[rich cosmos]

But you need to play it to grind out prototype

Why even have the token system and the tiers

It feels like bloat

[trim abyss]

It is bloat, its tone deaf we dont play our own game or understand it bloat

[rich cosmos]

Like I get the idea of the token system being a risk to losing but I don’t want to do the same few missions repeatedly till I get back to where I was

[ivory abyss]

LMGs do more damage with strikers over tipping scales? I see a lot of people using LMGs with strikers in escalation

[uncut yarrow]

Aw I thought you guys liked the 3 enemies that sprint around the room as you chase them down trying to kill them despite the fact they have more health than most Hunters do

[uncut yarrow]

I think Strikers would be more run and gun than tipping scales since tipping scales loses stacks... faster I think? Could be that, idk

[coral reef]

i think it comes down to magazine capacity. less reloading, more time spent shooting. thats why you see more lmgs

[analog mural]

lmgs with strikers is goated because ur a bullet hose

[elfin atlas]

Anyone got a good build with the new exotic mask?

[versed summit]

Chest striker is stronger than Tipping scales can really get, and I'd say the stack gain works better for escalation overall.

[versed summit]

Not really worth it, but lmao

[coral reef]

not better than coyote's for red build, not better than catharsis on a blue build. Mine found its place in an all-yellow turret/drone capacitor build, replacing waveform holster.

[smoky latch]

If you're not using the chest the damage is lower

[versed summit]

3% regen flat regen is pretty goated tbh

[uncut yarrow]

Isn't thr chest a given with like 99% of strikers builds?

[soft crane]

no lol

[versed summit]

Its suboptimal for most content

[elfin atlas]

Cool I’ll have to check it out

[smoky latch]

It is also easier to handle as the Striker stacks don't disappear as fast

[short verge]

what would be a recommended loadout to build for escalation? is it just ol' reliable red striker or will that eventually phase out into something else?

[analog mural]

eh i still prefer strikers being more consistent

[soft crane]

:3

[short verge]

oh, theres a meme for that

[coral reef]

i'm having fun with concentrated company, it works with any gun you prefer. I'm rocking it with big alejandro, pestilence and st. elmo as backup when i run out of bullets lol

[uncut yarrow]

This guy got 3 primaries

[soft crane]

The thing about Tipping Scale that irks me, is the time you need to reach full stack is fixed. How long does it take to reach full stack without backpack?

Then without backpack but with chest piece.

Someone said, with backpack but no chest piece is 10 seconds.
With backpack and chest piece is 15 seconds.

[coral reef]

and with the seasonal thing + coco, im sitting at like 99% weapon handling. They're lasers and reload as fast as an smg

[short verge]

i think thats the whole point, like use something like big alejandro or bullet king or gr9 and spray down a chokepoint against npcs

[lone violet]

I been running COCO pestil fun times

[short verge]

i also think its power is mission dependent, too, like legendary district union being easier than others because of how narrow the arenas are

[coral reef]

i've played with some people from here on tougher maps (zoo, tidal basing) legendary and they just wipe out everything instantly. Its a matter of having spawn points memorized

[lone violet]

Zoo is annoying once you get to the butterfly room

[light jungle]

I’m starting my prototype grind , any build recommendations for escalation?

[gentle lichen]

Striker
Onto tier 4 and higher use the striker chest

[lone violet]

Striker battle gear

[soft crane]

Oh jeez, sent that meme 3 times already in a couple of minutes.

[coral reef]

those memes are getting so deleted once mods wake up i wish we could keep them though

[soft crane]

:3

[light jungle]

Memento or no ? Never understood how people use it without getting killed

[coral reef]

memento is fantastic for solo play. On groups... use something else

[gentle lichen]

use the striker bag

[soft crane]

No, just use the Striker bag.

[lapis cliff]

I only use memento when I plan on hugging the enemies constantly.

[soft crane]

Exotics can be Overdogs, Tinkerer, and Coyote. The rest is up to you.

[light jungle]

Gotcha 🫡

I have a pretty decent coyote tbf @soft crane

[soft crane]

Then use it. Whats your chest piece? Preferably named Unit Alloy brandset called Equalizer, talent is perfect Obliterate.

[light jungle]

I do have one but I it could be better

[soft crane]

Ceska should do if you dont have enough CHC.

[light jungle]

Should I get blue cores for the striker items

[coral reef]

never blue cores

[soft crane]

nah

[coral reef]

the idea is to kill them as fast as possible, dont trade 2-3 bullets of "survivability" for extra seconds needed to kill an enemy

[light jungle]

So melt everything before they melt you ?🫡

[lone glacier]

Why You Should Run 6 Red Cores

[soft crane]

Why You Should Run 6 Red Cores 👈

[light jungle]

I’ll check it out also what’s the best way to get perfect mods ? Should I sfocus on getting 60% crit chance before crit dmg?

[soft crane]

55%

[lone glacier]

minimum 55

[soft crane]

I guess perfect 60% should be fine.

[ivory abyss]

so for escalation t5+ with how the enemies are so tanky, you guys would still recommend using equalizer strikers over chest strikers

[uncut yarrow]

99% is crazy lol

[ivory abyss]

I am trying to land on a build to upgrade to prototype lol I can only afford one atm xD

[analog mural]

lowk put on strikers chest and use a fast firing lmg like big al

turns them bullet sponges into swiss cheese

[light jungle]

I’m at 47 right now I’m gonna have to try and get some perfect crit chance mods

[gentle lichen]

Is your watch chc maxed?

[buoyant kraken]

Can someone explain the core set?

How I understand it. If you have 6 red versions. You get 40% of the other cores.

That means 40% of 175k armor. 40% of a skill tier?

So 175k * 6 = 1.05m? Or is it something else?

[light jungle]

No where near 487

[gentle lichen]

Focus on chc as the first offensive stat to max out

[light jungle]

Gotcha 🫡 I messed up when I was playing casual and pretty much maxed out hit CTH 😭

[soft crane]

When you reach 1000, all the stats eventually will be maxed but for now focus on CHC.

[gentle lichen]

Each core will give 40% of the other and skill tiers 40% count as 15% skill eff and armor 40% of it counts as 68k armor
Multiply number of red cores with those two

[buoyant kraken]

So if I have a full yellow set.

It'll be 40% of 15% weapon damage
+
40% of 175k armor?

And is there a skill effiency cap?

[sullen night]

40% of 15% Weapon Damage and 40% of 170k Armor per yellow core ye, 75% of each with the set chest talent

[little sun]

Most most enemies melt you in seconds anyways on the game so it’s better to go all damage

[light jungle]

@soft crane just ran a quick countdown , build rocks ! Thank you !

[wicked echo]

where can i farm that AR emlos engine ?

[analog mural]

try countdown or retal with AR targetted loot

[strong cave]

maybe its the expertise talking, maybe its how hard this build hits... but DAAYUMM strega feels nice on this

[jade cairn]

Is it better to target the gear set a named item is in (Brazos) or the gear type (holsters)?

Or is there a better way to get Picaro’s

[grim bluff]

The brand

Hunters in countdown drop named items

[jade cairn]

Yea i ran countdown like 10 times last night, 5 on holsters and 5 on brand and didnt get even 1 to drop, nevermind getting the roll i need

[grim bluff]

Gotta keep at it, that's RNG

[jade cairn]

Yeaaa

[trim abyss]

whats the best talent for GR9 on TS build? steady hands?

[soft crane]

Measured or Frenzy from what I've seen.

[trim abyss]

how does gearshift comapre to the GR9? I like it so far

[soft crane]

Idk what that is.

[trim abyss]

its a named LMG

[shy willow]

It's not bad, haven't used it enough to say

[cinder plaza]

for lmgs what is the best secondary atribute? rof or dta

[grand girder]

extraction hunters do, the first 4 dont

[trim abyss]

it depends, could be CC depending on your build

[soft crane]

Oh wait sorry its CHC.

[cinder plaza]

cant roll dtooc

[trim abyss]

oh he said secondaty

[mild dawn]

crit chance, some very hipster cases might want rof

[cinder plaza]

streamline best for raw dps?

[shy willow]

On paper it's pretty good but in practice you're not gonna have very good uptime

Would rather have measured or killer

[cinder plaza]

alright thanks yall very helpful

[vernal wing]

It’s just worse

[grim bluff]

Thank you for the correction

[opal glade]

Assembled this very quickly - dont need so much help in regard of itemization but the general idea how this set is played.
How do i maximize uptime of the buff? It feels off that i have to empty my magazine to get a buff for 10-15seconds and then when then when the buff ran out i have to reapply it without any damage bonus cause of the buffs downtime...? is there a trick to work around that im missing? Why is there even downtime to the buff!? D:

[young wyvern]

why don't i see any stat increase infront of my total offense stack numbers ? like , defensive stack gives armor and utility gives skill damage , but offense stack gives nothing ?

[next dawn]

Just the quark of the gear set

[mild dawn]

some modifier you have disables it, most likely saturate

[young wyvern]

ah got it

[livid yacht]

See I have a build exactly like this but what's crazy is you don't actually need all those skill tiers you just need the damage

The skill damage is what you want at least right now imagine being able to do 5 mill base minimum with your drone and turret

[subtle bluff]

It’s just a bad gearset.

If you wanna to do rifle DPS OD has the best you can do.

[opal glade]

man why do massive hate standard rifles so much qq

[versed summit]

They were basically an afterthought as they were added pretty late in development, they have a terrible second attribute, and struggle to find a niche.

Maybe div 3

[silent storm]

TS Rifle is pretty good as well

[smoky latch]

If you can keep the stacks up, yes

[silent storm]

once the stacks are up they are up until you stop firing

[smoky latch]

Yeah and that's often times the annoying part. Running from one encounter to another always drops all stacks

With OD you don't have that issue

[versed summit]

I can't make myself use it with Rifles because it seems so much worse than LMGs

[smoky latch]

UIC15 along with TS is not bad IMO

Can be paired with an LMG

[lament reef]

i mean everything feels worse than LMGs

[shy willow]

I use a classic m1a as a secondary on my Coco build, otherwise none at all

[violet saddle]

I use the uic15 for most of my secondary weapon loadouts

[versed summit]

Its an option, but I just use an Archivist now.

[opal glade]

Tbh breaking point would be a pretty dope set
I tried setting it up with an Artist tool and WHEN the buff kicks in the gun is damn stable and precise and you can farm headshots <- i think thats what rifles should be about - hitting headshot and/or weakspots = being precise almost surgical

Its just so unfortunate that they decided to just let the buff run out like..why?!

[smoky latch]

Haven't gotten a good roll yet. In theory the talent should work nicely with that archetype

[versed summit]

Yeah Breaking point uptime is so garbage.

They really should be long range precision weapons, but their recoil is worse than ARs.

[silent storm]

Artist Tool sucks, such a disappointing weapon.

Any other Rifle with Rifleman is better

[lament reef]

i was using some random named rifle that dropped for expertise, and it was unbelievable how shit it was

shoots in a 4burst, but it kicks so hard you miss at least 2/4 shots

the smg i was also leveling was a laser beam in comparison

[opal glade]

Is that so? by numbers? or "trust me bro"? ^^ legit asking

[silent storm]

Lower DMG worse Handling the buff doesn't make up for it

[opal glade]

I personally made the observation that what held the artist tool back was its subpar handling so that on range you could just not get those headshots in so well to farm the stacks - with the breakingpoint buff atleast this gun hits like a lazor so getting full 6stack up quickly even on range is no problem

[silent storm]

UIC15 MOD2 with Rifleman is way better

[smoky latch]

it's on the SIG716 CQB, bad accuracy

[versed summit]

How come? I like it for the most part

[smoky latch]

CQB = Close Quarter Battle

[versed summit]

Handling isn't the worst, and the UIC has awful burst

I'd still go SIG with some handling IMO

[opal glade]

Well i gotta agree - the handling for that talent is not good - you just cant hit those headshots reliable on range especially not against those twitchy npc's of division^^ but with a set that significantly boost handling its definitely a game changer for this gun i believe

i just hope Massive patches Breaking Point at some time - with the buff 100% uptime it would be a REALLY good rifle set

[silent storm]

It also has lower Range than LVOA-C/LWM4 or UIC

And one less mod slot

[opal glade]

Well if you go full HS damage with this rifle you could drop the crit chance mod on the muzzle and take +50% optimal range tho

...but it could probably also use a slight buff tho^^"

[versed summit]

The better base does make up for that, on paper if nothing else.

Only time I'm using a rifle is on a build with significant handling, otherwise there's literally no reason to put myself through that.

[sullen heart]

Recently got the ravenous. Any good builds with them? Just saw one using ninja bike bp, core set, eagles grasp, and foxes prayer

[dreamy valve]

Big fan of the MDR rifle myself

[smoky latch]

No, the NBB in PvE is not really good FYI

[dreamy valve]

I use Ravenous on my close range pfe tank for Retaliation, master Climax missions, Countdown. The handling and behavior of the weapon feels too sluggish as a long range red dps for me

[sullen heart]

Whats NBB? Still getting used to all the acronyms

[solar sable]

ninjabike bag

[rain fox]

If you want you can try my ravenous build, moment bag, eagles grasp gloves foxes kneepad and 2 piece zwiandowka with intimidate chest talent and picaro holster all crit chance and crit damage solid build cores are up to you I use 4 blue 2 red

[sullen heart]

@solar sable then memento?

[solar sable]

it is not good.

[solar sable]

that's WAY better yes

[onyx sage]

the duality of man

[solar sable]

and even then Ravenous isn't meant to be a main weapon

[sullen heart]

Cause my prob with memento is that in end game content I’m competing for kills with my teammates and that’s where the effectiveness of memento diminishes

[rain fox]

You need weapon handling for rav and the build I mentioned has 45% I thinj

Or swap the bag for ninja then change chest talent to obliterate

[onyx sage]

you're not limited by those 2 options

[sullen heart]

Do you know if explosive damage affects the explosion on rav?

[onyx sage]

nope, only things that affect weapon damage

[sullen heart]

Yea I can prob just run overdogs or something

[dreamy valve]

Crit chance and crit damage affects the explosion damage

[rain fox]

No you can choose whater works for you watch a yt vid or build your own and experiment and Ive no idea sorry

[sullen heart]

Luckily this season gives us a lot of weapon handling, so I don’t have to spec into it as much to make it more useable

[smoky latch]

Youtube videos for builds are not recommended at all

They're usually sub-par or flat-out clickbait

[vague zodiac]

Has anyone compared Concentrated Company with Striker?

[rain fox]

Thats how I learnt to make my own builds now I understand synergy and best combo thanks to those vids

Nothing beats striker I don't think some builds come close like tipping scales

[smoky latch]

In which aspect?

[solar sable]

no you didn't, like actually didn't learn anything at all
YTbers know shit about builds

[rain fox]

Ye maybe your right I learnt mostly from experience

[long dove]

how much CHC do i need with striker build?

[smoky latch]

55-59% usually

[zenith marten]

Hello recently coming back to the game I dont play pvp much but is the shield worth trying in pve

[smoky latch]

It's a last resort skill if you don't have any cover to use

If you mean for a tank build, tanks aren't really worth it in the game. Solo it's OK

[ivory abyss]

Finally got one with chc so I can change the talent lol

[smoky latch]

Now upgrade it to exp. 30 and watch it getting CHC when prototyped

[ivory abyss]

lol

[smoky latch]

Been there myself, no worries

[ivory abyss]

wait you mean like more chc?

it cant change the attribute when upgrading right lol

[smoky latch]

Nope, it's a gamble

[vernal wing]

Supposedly it’s just a visual bug

[onyx sage]

he meant as in it picked the chc as the guaranteed one and none of the other ones

[ivory abyss]

OH

[smoky latch]

The initial roll is a visual bug, you need to relog into your character to see its actual stats

[rain fox]

It is log out log back in stats stay same 1 stat gets buffed sometimes more if your lucky

[onyx sage]

i did some calcs and for prototype scenarios specifically, more weapon damage is better

for gear pieces the named pieces like hollow man and contractor are really worth taking and then rest is just in weapon damage

crit really fell off with prototype

[smoky latch]

Aren't named items guaranteed to get one increased max roll for its named talent or sth? That's what I read

[onyx sage]

yes, the guarantee falls onto the special stat

[vernal wing]

How does that work for Lexington?

[smoky latch]

It gets one random max stat guaranteed

[onyx sage]

i guess basically what I wanted to say is get the dta and dth special stats first, then gamble and get weapon damage

[vague zodiac]

From what i see Concentrated Company might be for Perstilence specifically.

[onyx sage]

yes coco works better for pesti

[smoky latch]

Yeah it allows for the highest Pestilence ticks

[ivory abyss]

Also im assuming you should not build around prototype max stats for ex. 9% chc and then start cutting back on chc on pieces since the boost makes up for it to hit 60% since in raids incursions youll be normalized and prob short on your 60%

[smoky latch]

Yeah for those activities the stats get normalized again. There is also a visual bug showing the item's stats before optimization

That what I read from others, at least

[vague zodiac]

I would say when the team doesnt need coco, then concentrated company seems like nothing. When striker cannot solve the problem, thats when coco dps the difficulty ceiling.

It's basically a gear set for co-op when the difficulty is to high.

[smoky latch]

Not a good pick for high tier Escalations I might say

[vague zodiac]

I'd say the opposite, the damage ceiling is higher than striker

[ivory abyss]

Okay so I think im going to prototype my red striker equalizer set first and use the MK46 with it for everything really

[smoky latch]

Not with Striker's chest AFAIK

[onyx sage]

yeah coco doesn't beat striker chest

[vague zodiac]

Not even umbra can dump 200 bullets that fast with gr9 frenzy

[dreamy valve]

Interesting, so weapon damage supersedes crit priority?

[rain fox]

What cc build beats striker I want to try it

[onyx sage]

yeah, on average with proto you either get 52.5% weapon damage or (converted) 42% chd, weapon damage ends up being king

[smoky latch]

What?

[onyx sage]

a CC build beating a DPS build in CC efficiency? any of them

[rain fox]

Someone said concentrated company beats strike I want to have a look I could do with a change of build something different

[smoky latch]

CC = Crowd Control
CoCo = Concrentrated Company

[onyx sage]

they're around the same level more like, only better when used with pesti

[flint arch]

blah blah blah ill just use streamline for the 42% amplified damage

[vague zodiac]

Perstilence + equalizer+ overdogs with coco in some escalation maps work pretty well

[smoky latch]

It doesn't even say amplified :p

[rain fox]

Nice ill give it a go see what it can do

[onyx sage]

i think bro is meming

[smoky latch]

A lil' too much maybe lol

[onyx sage]

you guys just hate fun

[flint arch]

im just making the statement i made on dien's stream progressively worse

I said "blah blah blah ill just use streamline for 42% total weapon damage" before

[solar sable]

too much yapping going on, I'll go play with my Foundry NBB build.

[vernal wing]

That’s like 1 mag of ACS-12. I maintain 200 striker in anything that isn’t just a random heroic activity.

[onyx sage]

^ you just need 24 rounds of acs-12

[flint arch]

nah FB is powercrept, gotta go with core strength and NBB, it SHREDS

i have to clarify that i hate core strength in the context of PVE

[long dove]

thank u its hard managing them with rng stats but im now at 53.3% chc and 83% chd

[solar sable]

might as well try making a 2 hour long yt video on it... also what should I rename my channel to? I want to do clickbaiting

[vague zodiac]

The drone carries the game, the "annoying bat" in the room

[smoky latch]

All stats in this game roll with RNG tho

[long dove]

yeah i know thats fine actually not trying to minmax

[smoky latch]

You just need to either farm better pieces or optimize over time

[flint arch]

middz

[long dove]

but i can only adjust 1 stat with tinkering right i cant like do attribute/cores all same tme

[flint arch]

EverythingButSkillz

[smoky latch]

Nah, yellow rain coat #1 in that

[strong cave]

@subtle bluff this is my new guilty pleasure (hang on i hit enter too fast)

[flint arch]

SHDSilver

[solar sable]

makes sense, you are now in sports mode, fast asf

[strong cave]

doesnt help im under the influence rn either.

DUI

shit, theres a tree-

nvm was a warhound

[patent fossil]

KaraokeMonSoon

[solar sable]

LMFAO

[flint arch]

[smoky latch]

lol

[strong cave]

📸

[solar sable]

yk what, fine

done

[ivory abyss]

For MK46 you use a mag booster on it right and itll have the perfect amount of rounds to use frenzy reload and use it again like from start to finish

[strong cave]

yeah if you have a small few pauses here and there when killing targets

[ivory abyss]

okay cool

I guess I dont need to optimize this if I plan to prototype it because itll get the max values before prototype