td2-build-advice

[tulip charm]

Well you can just run haz pro as secondary attribute

[woeful forge]

Alright that should be all for now, i'll farm for an electriq backpack and optimize stuff now, thanks a bunch y'all

[silent storm]

Same same but with Frenzy you aren't confined to cover

[woeful forge]

Wait actually yeah, what attributes should I look for? i currently only have stat effect on them

[tulip charm]

Upto you

[silent storm]

Big Al from cover though will do more DPS

[tulip charm]

Haz pro to be immune to emps or faster skill cd

[shy willow]

perf perpetuation

[silent storm]

Frenzy Fast Hands is godly. On a TS build it's murder on demand. Big Al is a little bit different

With Frenzy Fast hands you are killing all the adds really fast, with Big Al you are killing the bosses really fast.

So build how you like

[analog mural]

in a way i feel like frenzy is a little inconsistent for me because frenzy does not refresh when you reload from empty while frenzy is active

[smoky latch]

Just gotta make sure it is in sync

[silent storm]

What LMG are you using that it doesn't refesh?

[still gyro]

I’m coming back after a long time for this season, want to play a heartbreaker build, planning on 4 blue 2 red or 3 3, would salvo holster and overdogs be best in slot for other 2 pieces or something else?

[analog mural]

uhh the m249 i believe, i just spray through the 2nd magazine with frenzy so fast that it didnt reset so on the 3rd mag where im supposed to have frenzy refreshed, i only get frenzy for half of the mag

[analog mural]

yeahhh i should probably switch talent slots because i like looking at the fast hands stack going up lol

[lost wren]

should use gr9 i think, never had any issues with that

[silent storm]

You using Gunner for the 50 round pouch for 195 in the slot?

[analog mural]

i think i got like 150 bullets in 1 mag with the gunner

[lost wren]

yeah no uhh don't do that lol, use the reload speed mag

[analog mural]

reloading is a non-issue tho since i use tinkerer with fast hands

[silent storm]

Yeah Fast Hands is near instant on Tink builds

[lost wren]

hmmm then idk

[silent storm]

Reloading from empty should always add Frenzy

I have never not have it added

Even if Frenzy was active

Like I had to retrain myself to not hit R after a fight because of Frenzy

But I have never had it not apply after a reload from empty

[junior lagoon]

The real question is gr9 or mk46

[silent storm]

Whatever you like more

I like the MK46 some others like the GR9, it's the same bonus

[plush thistle]

its a fight with 4 lmg's i tell you some like e60, gr9, 249 and forgot other one

oh mk46 literally infront of my face

[silent storm]

249 and Mk46 are the same LMG

[plush thistle]

ah didnt know that

[silent storm]

Slightly different but same overall

GR9 is different and you need to feel it to use it

[plush thistle]

idk i had a hard time deciding so i took em all lol

[silent storm]

Yeah take em all and use them then decide what one you like

[smoky latch]

Bruh, that's deep

[silent storm]

The DPS between them is negligible at best

[plush thistle]

my biggest gripe with my current lmg builds is the mother chuckers love to hide forever so i wound up liking iron lung and i like keeping reviver for obvious reasons but i think that might be my current issue

[smoky latch]

I kinda bricked my GR9 earlier when prototyping

No wait, my MK46

Game gave me additional CHC

[plush thistle]

what do you guys use skills or talents to get enemies out of cover?

[smoky latch]

Foam works, decoy works, drone, turret, EMP sticky. For DPS builds that is

[silent storm]

Game gave me this MK46 and I am thinking it's on par with my Big Al

[smoky latch]

I upgraded my existing guns so far

[plush thistle]

how do you upgrade them like that? i saw proto in bench but no idea whats needed for it

[smoky latch]

You need proto cores and the items has to be level 30 expertise

[silent storm]

Before I even got a proto drop I was using an MK46 with Frenzy.

[smoky latch]

One core per upgrade. And if you wanna change the augments you need additional proto cores. The really annoying part is, the augment cost increases with each change

[plush thistle]

oh jesus yep thats not happening lol

[silent storm]

I am only ExpLv 18 so all Lv30 I get are drops from Escalation

[smoky latch]

Yup

[silent storm]

And let me tell you, gamechangers

[smoky latch]

Upgrading is currently the "best" way because the drops are garbo

[silent storm]

When you are Lv30 already

I do teir 10 as a Exp18

[smoky latch]

Yup. We don't know what they are going to change in terms of tinkering, or if it will even be an option

So any "potentially good" items get decontructed for me

[silent storm]

Well I have never gotten a full drop yet as Exp 18

[smoky latch]

Me neither

[silent storm]

It's like the system is layered to be max at your Exp level

[junior lagoon]

People who use iron lung, what is yoir secondary? AR or shotgun?

[smoky latch]

Nah, Tier 1 and 2 drops are really misterable in terms of quality, they're noticeably better in T4/5

T5 is the highest I will go for now in terms of farming. Hot foot modifier was smoothed out a bit but I prefer playing without it if I don't have to

[silent storm]

Ohg

[smoky latch]

Make the best out of the upcoming expertise surge event and in a month or so you'll be able to upgade yourself

[silent storm]

Teir 9-10 is the place to be

[smoky latch]

Perhaps not even a month

[smoky latch]

For drops?

[silent storm]

Yes

And once you figure out the fight it's EzPz

[smoky latch]

If you got matching gear that's at least partially upgraded it's very doable, yes. Depends on preference too. For now I stick with farming cores

[silent storm]

I posted my Healer build on Tier 8 and people were like you don't even need a healer on tier 10 ...

look it up they said

[smoky latch]

DPS is more important due to the heavy NPC hp increase. Especially in groups

[silent storm]

Then I look it up and everyone has a healer constantly beating tier 10

[smoky latch]

Healer helps too, ofc

I mean a real healer, not Refactor. FI builds

[silent storm]

My healer that smashes

[smoky latch]

Yeah it's a great build

[silent storm]

People were telling me that that build was carried in Escalation

[junior lagoon]

Weapons are fine because of exp 30 when i am at 20 but all gear is trash. Finding a good gear is like the habsburg with double red and headhunter

[smoky latch]

Healer builds always "get carried", what nonsense to say. Their job isn't to do DPS lol

[silent storm]

They don't even understand the power that build has

[olive cosmos]

is this named? i cant tell

[smoky latch]

No. Regular GS chest with GC

[silent storm]

so small

[olive cosmos]

thanks

i play 1440x1440

[silent storm]

I need a pic of your monitor because that is awesome

[coral reef]

Healers from the spreadsheet gang rise up! I love that healers are SO BACK thanks to escalation mode

[coral reef]

Was replying to this lol im not crazy

[smoky latch]

Sheesh prototyped

[olive cosmos]

its too stretched for my monitor actually some stuff on the left in the store menu i cant see so i have to change my res lol

[junior lagoon]

I always loved healers. Make missons easier

[smoky latch]

Having a good support in your group is really nice

[smoky latch]

Why decoy tho?

[coral reef]

Its not only a healer, provides 70% damage amp to all party members at all time

[smoky latch]

Distraction when overcharge?

[coral reef]

Just trying different stuff for that slot

[smoky latch]

I see

Could run artificer hive for decoy; then overcharge

But not ideal for a full healer I might say

[coral reef]

If the group is organized and fight as a unit, its reinforce cover. If theyre rambos, the decoy works

[junior lagoon]

What is the backpack

[smoky latch]

The Setup

If you mean the healer build

[junior lagoon]

Yes

And the mods?

[smoky latch]

Skill Haste usually

While having Repair Skills on the gear

[junior lagoon]

I gotta try this

[coral reef]

Cant find it. Also damn, there is a lot of new division content in YT! Tons of vids from today

[silent storm]

Why you taunt me Camese?

Don't thumbs up and then go noncontact

Is that thing here people do that?

[subtle bluff]

Just don't directly link in chat.

In you bio or else where is fine.

[hazy steeple]

You are, however, not allowed to advertise it on here.

Doesn't matter the reason why, there's a blanket ban.

[silent storm]

am I banned?>

I didn't say it an did it through IM

So I can't even post the title of the video here?

I have 14 subs and my YT is like 14 years old. I am not advertising at this point lol. Discord just doesn't allow me to upload big vids

Also I know like 10 of those subs in real life so they don't even count

[runic thicket]

I got it!! Now I need to learn how to use it

[solar sable]

you dont really need to learn how to use it, just point and shoot
focusing on hierarchy will most likely get you killed in certain circumstances

[runic thicket]

I thought you had to kill the weakest enemies first or something

[silent storm]

Medic boxes you can see and drones being thrown up by the operator

Kill them

[runic thicket]

Thanks. Dont know if I can learn it all

[solar sable]

as i said earlier, you dont really have to

[runic thicket]

Ok I'll just try to use it

[hazy steeple]

"doesn't matter the reason why, there's a blackout ban from advertising". Made it clearer.
We've had to remove people before over it and it's always a shame. I'm sure there are other servers where you can post it, and yes there's a limit on discord uploads, but that's just the way it is, it seems harsh but rules are made for everyone, not on a case-by-case basis.

[silent storm]

fair enough

[woeful forge]

So I just got an electrique with creeping death but I also got the courier backpack which has perfect creeping death, which would be better for the scorpio/eclipse build?

[solar sable]

courier imo

[woeful forge]

Faster cd for the aoe apply?

[hazy hull]

Current ravenous build running around 408,000 crit damage on a single shot

[solar sable]

AoE from where?

[woeful forge]

Creeping death applying stats in an aoe?

From my scorpio atleast

[coarse fox]

are you talking to me?

[solar sable]

it doesnt say anything about AoE

[nimble trench]

What kind of builds have people been putting together for core strength.

[woeful forge]

Well i guess ny terminology js wrong but what I meant was the status spread in a 10m radius, which i consider as an area of effect talent

[misty walrus]

how is this backfire striker setup?

[smoky latch]

Nah

[buoyant perch]

Nah x2

[grand girder]

too many blues

just run memento and add more reds it'll do the same thing but more damage

[solar sable]

status does spread on elim but with EP, not from Creeping

[woeful forge]

Yeah but Creeping still spreads the initial poison shot on 2nd hit to nearby when i shoot a single enemy right?

[solar sable]

it applies every status yeah

[misty walrus]

3blue 3 red would be fine?

[grand girder]

ehhhh still too many imo

[solar sable]

4r/3b is balanced

[woeful forge]

Alright alright that reassured me with how creeping works, i'll run the courier and see the diff thx thx

[grand girder]

also you definitely don't need haz pro or bleed res on the pieces

[smoky latch]

You should get rid of the HazPro, ideally

[solar sable]

Courier is BiS for EP CC although I prefer The Setup, up to you

[woeful forge]

What's the setup do? Might have to eye one out on countdown

[grand girder]

perfect opportunistic

[grand girder]

^

[misty walrus]

why??! other suggestion? its supposed to be made without seasonal modifier btw

[woeful forge]

Oh a further dmg amp yeah ok that sounds nice

[solar sable]

two ways of building around EP
Support CC (Opp) and pure CC (Courier)

[grand girder]

the bleed isn't that bad and if you're running backfire you're better off learning to live with the bleed effect on the screen

[woeful forge]

So leaning towards dmg amp vs better cc spread?

aight i'll try and fish for a setup as well, gonna see how both builds go

[solar sable]

up to you, can also add Survivalist for more amp on status effected enemies

[smoky latch]

It spreads anyway, just need to kill the affected NPCs

[woeful forge]

Ngl i like how cc builds play better than running any of the dps builds i made and was told to make

[solar sable]

Courier spreads foam, EP refreshes the duration by half, perfect CC combo

[buoyant perch]

Survivalist amp is only for the teammates, not for the user

[woeful forge]

i dont deal fast dmg but man is it funny to see every single ad shocked

[solar sable]

I mean you're not a main DPS so it doesnt matter much 😆

[woeful forge]

I dont run this solo, i like running it when doing esca or heroic countdown with my friends

[solar sable]

now that is a good support player

[woeful forge]

Its a blessing that I was able to convince them to get div 2 with me when it went on sale, we were destiny 2 refugees trying to find an alternative

[solar sable]

I gotta swap to Survivalist... idk if I have it leveled up 🫠

[solar sable]

its always the destiny players 🤣

[woeful forge]

We're tired of having to swipe for every new content, atleast div 2 is leagues more generous with its drops and builds which i mostly just picked up on this channel

is this ok for the armor setup? 4 piece, vile, courier, and the mods are all disrupt res

running it with scorpio and lefty for perf sledge

it's the only courier i have and its naturally blue and it didn't have stat effect so i changed the health stat it had into stat effect instead of turning it into +1 skill tier

shield and foam with survivalist

[flint arch]

do you have BTSU gloves

[woeful forge]

not yet, is why im using vile

[rigid saddle]

question does incoming repairs affect armor regen or no it's just a curiosity question I think I have the answer but I don't wanna sound stupid and be wrong

[woeful forge]

i dont really have any other exotic armor piece that would work on an eclipse build atm

[flint arch]

i'd recommend running an electrique piece instead until you get it

[solar sable]

drop Vile and use one of those alts

[rigid saddle]

so it does not affect armor regen... gotcha

I'm setting up a pvp build and trying to figure out a decent armor regen setup but can't get more than 68k

[flint arch]

i just realized my courier bp is still garbo 💀

[solar sable]

ask in #td2-pvp-discussions tho

[woeful forge]

i'll drop vile once i get btsu gloves, thx thx, other than that i guess i can run it with an electrique mask instead?

[solar sable]

or golan yeah

[woeful forge]

alr alr

[woeful forge]

this is mine, idk what the god rolls are so i just slotted in stat effect

[flint arch]

ideally you want status effect and skill haste

[woeful forge]

i'll prolly farm for more of this in countdown

[flint arch]

the real unicorn is getting both of them so you can reroll the core to skill tier

[woeful forge]

i always get both of them on bags that dont want yellow attributes

[flint arch]

imo i think it's better to get 1 skill tier than get another 10% status effect from the bag if you're really starved for a good courier backpack

since the skill tier means you get an extra chem

[woeful forge]

i have a lavoisier backpack as well, can that work with ep?

[smoky latch]

No due to its talent

[flint arch]

no

[smoky latch]

You'll have a yellow build, Perfect Galvanize depends on armor

[woeful forge]

i see, so itts more on for blue core builds?

[flint arch]

i don't even think tank builds want perfect galvanize tbh

[woeful forge]

seems like something in the middle as a tank support rather than a pure aggro tank

[flint arch]

tank support is the only okay-ish tank

pure aggro tanks do not work in this game (outside of iron horse)

[woeful forge]

aggro tanks are a no go in this game? shame

[flint arch]

we have no ability to reliably draw aggro

[woeful forge]

is that why cav/aegis is so unpopular?

[unreal remnant]

whats the best healer build?

[smoky latch]

Aegis is more a PvP set

[woeful forge]

honestly i saw a stat that said increased threat and decreased threat, hope they make it more gear accessible in the future

[smoky latch]

It always depends. But Refactor and Future Initiative are both really good

[unreal remnant]

I heard refactor is no good for higher escalation tiers

[flint arch]

also another problem. tanks will probably still survive well in heroic, but on master and legendary they can still die easily

[smoky latch]

Possible, the NPCs will have modifiers to disrupt skills. The player has to watch out for that

[woeful forge]

damn, it really is just cc and dps on higher diffs?

[smoky latch]

Tanks on master have a cakewalk with survivability, if it includes PfE. But aside from that they are of no use

[flint arch]

and if we're talking about escalation, tanks are completely useless. at t10 getting grazed by a single bullet is basically enough to instantly health gate you no matter how much armor you have. your only option is to either full send on DPS, or lean into pure healing and/or CC

[flint arch]

i forgot about that lol

[smoky latch]

But yeah, generally tanks are overrated in this game

[woeful forge]

what's pfe?

[flint arch]

protection from elites

directly reduces your damage from elite and named enemies, i.e. yellow health bars. does nothing for you if your enemies are red and purple

[smoky latch]

Sth like this

Improvised gear due to additional mod slots for PfE mods

[woeful forge]

so pfe is short for protection from elites got it

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.. Like manager it does nothing both bosses.

[smoky latch]

Yeah okay, there are exceptions

[subtle bluff]

The better support "tank" have a lot of good gameplay and knowledge to make it work.

[summer totem]

Anyone have a good AOE skill build?

[subtle bluff]

Mortar. In the build hub.

[last schooner]

core strength and Royal king trash?

[subtle bluff]

Mid if anything.

[last schooner]

ok trashing it haha

[river dawn]

just a theory been scratching my head on - Is core strength all blue core with hazard protection bleed protection + backfire sounds viable?

[surreal elk]

guys, does anyone know if ceska vyroba has gloves version?

[subtle bluff]

Yeah it'd work but funny enough a striker smg would do more dmg anyways without having to worry about losing all the stacks at once.

[subtle bluff]

Uhh?

[stone python]

Hello 👋 good morning / night fellow Agents.

[silver coral]

any good build for core strength set?

[stone python]

Does backfire work well with the investor exotic mask?

[edgy merlin]

"Trader" rifle, I'm thinking about using this as a secondary to Pestilence, mainly to break armor (from what I've read Health Damage is good for armor?). So with that said I should recalibrate Rifle damage, right?

[shy willow]

Damage to targets out of cover is best in slot

[subtle bluff]

Backfire works like any smg.

[shy willow]

Health damage is only ever really in the question if we're talking hollow man or an AR

[frozen hull]

If you watched YouTube you’d think corestrenggh was Second only to strikers haha

[broken delta]

finally!!!

[marsh pilot]

Which of the pinned builds is good for CC ?

[smoky latch]

Eclipse Protocol

[lone glacier]

Oh boy.. the expertise grind starts

[stone python]

So ...the new gearset indeed breaks pvp
(Build shown my dz regen)
The fact that near everyone now runs some form of this with levek 4-6 skills means that in pve near everyone throws their hives everywhere .
I have the feeling theres bound to be a pvp nerf incomming cuz this thing makes a lot of different pvp builds completly obsolete.

[rich dome]

Need some advice. My sniper build w/ Overdog does 25m damage to Elite/Named and does 75m damage to Normals and Hard. W/out Overdog, juz the normal Hotshot glove, it does 27m to Elite/Named and ranges from 27m to 30m to Normals and Hard. Which build is preferrable then?

[livid sorrel]

overdogs, if you kill lower tiers first you can get the damage bonus on everyone

[bitter jetty]

is Investor mask + Core Strength set good build?

[rich dome]

Is that the case even with Shroud?

[livid sorrel]

yeah, just backwards

[rich dome]

Cool! Thanks!

[livid sorrel]

with shroud and overdogs the bonuses stack if there's only one tier

[main beacon]

you can get skill tier core on refactor gloves/kneepads right?

[bitter jetty]

is Investor mask + Core Strength set good build, guys? I see the mask's talent and the set are similar

[livid sorrel]

no, you'll have to change the blue to yellow

[main beacon]

ah so i have to get one with a skill dmg

[livid sorrel]

it's not bad but it's not really top tier

[bitter jetty]

So, what is the best combination for Investor?

[subtle bluff]

We have a #td2-pvp-discussions

[livid sorrel]

ideally you'd want an all red one but getting it to have all of the same colors is stupid rng

[subtle bluff]

Unicorn exo rolling!

[strong cave]

That's because there quite literally is a massive pvp nerf incoming

Devs said on stream that the pvp update is coming "very very soon"

I hope they nerf everything to the ground and make everything actually balanced

[sinful tinsel]

I got a priority obj once to play conflict and i will never do it again

[short verge]

waltuh, i aint playin conflict with ya today waltuh

[shy willow]

put yer capacituh away waltuh

[strong cave]

Conflict is probably the easiest pvp in this game. It's very easy to predict

It plays nearly like cod since all the maps are 3 lanes. If they're not going 1 direction, expect them to go the other. Never fails

[short verge]

honestly why choose conflict over the pve activities

im conflicted between obliterate vs striker chest

obliterate got great front end damage but its so easy to get max striker stacks with an acs

[drifting fiber]

Would a full red investor mask be a better choice over the overdogs in a standard full red striker build w/ equalizer?

[livid sorrel]

the stacks decay faster and are harder to maintain with your primary

[covert sluice]

perfect obliterate > striker chest

[short verge]

i guess, but im experiencing that even an mk16 can maintain the high stacks once i grab them with the acs, not even mentioning big alejandro can just do that by itself

[analog mural]

on incursions specifically where bosses are a bullet sponges that u can use to consistently get 200 stacks, the chest is good

otherwise obliterate is just better for general use

and im happy the the equalizer is rly easy to farm with desired rolls so u only need to reroll 1 attribute

[covert sluice]

what does mask give? i forgot

[livid sorrel]

i doubt it, it's 30 chd more vs overdogs amp

[noble pelican]

Curious, what's the "expected" dps for a full dps build on the target dummies?
Without +30% expertise, that is.

[short verge]

can you kill elites and other nonsense archetypes faster than they can deploy their bullshit, basically

[livid sorrel]

range dps isn't really reliable iirc

[drifting fiber]

Well my thought is since overdogs still have conditions, even if easy conditions, plus striker already gives a ton of weapon damage, so the chd is probably better than the dmg

[livid sorrel]

with the way damage is calculated, chd has diminishing returns
vs overdogs amp which multiplies dmg after all the other stuff

[silk island]

20-30mill dps

[noble pelican]

Any decent content creators to follow for examples, that actually show dummy examples?
I've noticed that the average "guide" online actually results in.. fairly terrible dps, compared to those numbers.

Hell, even the "Solo" builds I've seen sit at 3-4m, when I'm currently at 6-7m with mine.

[livid sorrel]

I wouldn't rely on any content creators not named ikia tbh, but since he's gone your best bet is probably this channel

[silk island]

Easy to build: Striker
Medium build hard play: Zenturio/Vigil swap build
Hard build hard play: Hybrid build with smart cover 6

Dont follow any creators.
Look for your own builds and ask old players that dont do Elmo/Striker

ah and pestilence builds always neat but not good to see at dummy

[subtle bluff]

Context of this….

[subtle bluff]

The DPS on the dummies are bugged will not showed the correct amount

[covert sluice]

i have full striker red cores with chc and chd, equalizer chest and overdogs with st elmo.. 55% crit chance and 130% crit dmg and 1m armor... have no issues with dmg or survival and have done up to T8 so far and been fine

[silk island]

if you dont do 20-30mil dps on full red your build sucks

[subtle bluff]

Burst or Sustain?

[noble pelican]

I think "context" in this case means; Burst vs sustain? With modifiiers? ANd so on.

[silk island]

your choice but the dmg hadt to come up at a target

[mild dawn]

if you dont hit 50m headshots with healing chem are you even trying

[subtle bluff]

Fair

[silk island]

and no modifier

[subtle bluff]

Doing 30 mill DPS solo isn’t really a thing

Where are you getting your DPS from the range?

[silk island]

nah its not but he asked what is expected of a dmg set

[silk island]

? dont get it
(english not first la)nguage

[subtle bluff]

How do you know your DPS is?

[subtle bluff]

I’m about to use that here..

[silk island]

sometimes the elite dummy but this thing dies to quick.
the invicible but this also is bugged if the dmg is good.

but if the invicible bugs?
you build is good enough🤣

[subtle bluff]

The range is bugged. It will not showed your true DPS.

[silk island]

why do you think so

[lone glacier]

Because its been proven to be that case

[subtle bluff]

We’ve done the math. It doesn’t work correctly

[silk island]

but you can compare your builds.
dont care if the maths not mathin

[subtle bluff]

Because DPS is very easy to math.

[noble pelican]

That explains why all my TTK/BTK calculations don't translate.. well at all.

[silk island]

true

[silk island]

ive done 500mil dps
but thats as far as my best dps build goes

[subtle bluff]

TTK works fine. But there a lot context here. Stacking and non stacking.

[subtle bluff]

So what’s your RPM and Crit and non Crit for that?

We have higher numbers but that’s different story.

The issues here is you’re giving out misinformation without understanding or helping another players base.

[mild dawn]

you can magdump the target dummies until desired dps number is displayed

[silk island]

no misinformation here

[subtle bluff]

You can use the range DPS for self reference for other it doesn’t work due how the range bugs out individual people.

[livid sorrel]

actually yeah im curious myself if there's a dps calculator that takes gearsets into account

[subtle bluff]

Someone could have the exact build and do different DPS.

[subtle bluff]

We’re trying to work on that.

[silk island]

you get the thing with critical chamce right?

[subtle bluff]

The range is VERY buggy

Here’s a fact it doesn’t count the first and last shot for the DPS

[silk island]

in fact it does

[subtle bluff]

Again do you know the math?

[silk island]

show evidence if you gonna just drop random information

[subtle bluff]

Math then compare it or give me your Bullet Crit and Non Crit

The math doesn’t line up…….

Old post but reference..

[subtle bluff]

Here’s some reference for you too here.

[noble pelican]

Seeing ~10m as a rough target suddenly makes me feel very good sitting at 6-7m on my current solo build.

The build that started it (foundry setup from a content creator) barely managed ~3.4m - which confused me initially.

[subtle bluff]

Also in the Pinned Message there’s a calculator you can use to get your DPS

[noble pelican]

But thanks for the references when working on a full dps one (:

[subtle bluff]

I’m assume it’s the FB NBB one that’s is all the current YT meta

[noble pelican]

Yeah I enjoy the build tool, it's sadly not updated to include the new set yet.

[subtle bluff]

Which one?

[flint arch]

CS probably

[subtle bluff]

No build tool

[noble pelican]

"mx-division-builds" from the pinned mesages.

[subtle bluff]

You need to “Clear localDB”

[silk island]

i will use it when im home and give you the true dps

[flint arch]

lol

[subtle bluff]

In the issues or bug button.

[noble pelican]

Still shows CS with a missing icon and no 4th effect for me :P

[silk island]

but you know its just numbers on a board?
i would like to see what exactly is where buggy

[subtle bluff]

It’s miss counts…

What do you mean numbers on a board?

[silk island]

the screenshot

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean?

[livid sorrel]

that math has been done by players with far more playtime than you and i
you can insist on your own calculations but you have far less to back it up

[noble pelican]

Clearing the local DB results in it showing up like this:

[subtle bluff]

I will say MX isn’t able to handle CS talent for keeping it all correct stats up

[subtle bluff]

Ya we’re missing pics…

[silk island]

so yall dont know how exactly its buggy and if the bug still exist.

[subtle bluff]

Should be working on build station.

[subtle bluff]

Dev have never touched the range since release.

[subtle bluff]

But also how do you know it works?

[silk island]

know for sure?

[obsidian bronze]

If I have a capacitor build with the new set and tier 6 skills is it worth still running technician or change it?

[subtle bluff]

You can go thru all the patch notes yourself. Tell me I’m wrong.

[silk island]

no thats why im asking and not stating facts

[subtle bluff]

I am stating facts of DPS doesn’t line up.

[silk island]

you know you can do something without noting in the patchnotes do you@

[livid sorrel]

the skill tier from technician is getting wasted if you already have 6

[silk island]

no you stating other people found that the numbers were worng

[subtle bluff]

I’m gonna start repeating myself with you.

[obsidian bronze]

So should I just swap out to gunner or change the skill tier on picaros to armor?

[silk island]

didnt know we were talking about patch notes before.
you just flee from arguments

[subtle bluff]

Nothing has changed.

[silk island]

another not based statement

[subtle bluff]

Same fact are here you choose to argue.

[silk island]

i was asking for proof and got an teust me bro

[livid sorrel]

what's your build? for something like a CS skill build with some damage i'd switch to gunner
also im not sure if the red on picaros counts for CS

[patent fossil]

Can test quite easily by mathing out dps on a build and then testing it at the shooting range. You only need per shot damage and rof

[obsidian bronze]

Its core strength 3 piece with ninjabike, UA mask and picaros, current skills being shield and reviver

[silk island]

but whats with the critical chance.
its random. you can crit often if yoz are lucky

[subtle bluff]

Again. We can math DPS and it doesn’t not show correctly on the range.

[subtle bluff]

It’s not +2mill off..

[silk island]

depend on the dmg per shot

[flint arch]

the "red core" is enough to screw with recalibration and it's stated in the trello board that a fix for this would require ripping up the gear system into pieces and reanimating its corpse so it's possible that both the tinkering menu and the CS gear set treats the "red core" as a bona fide red core

but we'll only know for sure if someone tests it

[subtle bluff]

Again we can math that… it’s not hard..

DPS is use the measure a builds dmg output so people have a reference of there dmg output.

If you can’t reference that DPS correctly you have no reference.

[livid sorrel]

would comparing between an all blue cs with a blue picaros vs a different blue holster work

[silk island]

you dont get the point.
if you hit more critical shots beacause your lucky your dps goes up.
and yes even 2mil difference possible there

[subtle bluff]

I’m done here. Sleep time.

[flint arch]

time to scrounge together a CS build from the random pieces in my stash

[sinful tinsel]

is the diamondback any good just got it from exo cache

[soft crane]

Nope

[sinful tinsel]

fairs wasnt planning to use rifles anyways

[livid sorrel]

it's fun with negotiator's, doubt it keeps up with the meta stuff though

[sinful tinsel]

yeah i just use the unique builds

[flint arch]

1st pic, 170k armor picaros. 31 segments of armor
2nd pic, random 170k armor holster. 31 segments of armor
everything else is the same.

conclusion: no, CS does not recognize the "red core" in picaros

also i had to slap together this horrendous build just for the testing

[livid sorrel]

beautiful

[flint arch]

i hate you

[sinful tinsel]

solo heroic countdown

[noble pelican]

Yea CS isn't working in the build tool yet.
The 4th effect isn't calculated correctly and the backpack is only featuring one core as well.

[flint arch]

now i need to clear the filth off out my inventory

[subtle bluff]

Again like I said MX isn’t able to handle this.

None are able to.. This is a lot effort

[noble pelican]

Yea, it's more a "Doesn't work yet". I'm not blaming the devs behind it here or anything.

[subtle bluff]

Well the thing is we don’t update MX at all its database is shared with buildstation

[noble pelican]

It's not really a database bound issue to begin with; The tool knows what's equipped, the calculations would have to be fixed on MX's side specifically.

Outside of the backpack only having 1 core stat.. i guess that's just wrong on buildstation as well?

[subtle bluff]

Again the dev MX hasn’t touched it for years.

[noble pelican]

Meaning "It won't work for now" turns into a likely "Won't work at all", yikes.

Just checked the repo; ~3 years ago, yea. :/

[subtle bluff]

Like I fix database stuff but that thing is whole different mess

[noble pelican]

Yea I just looked at it and thought I might try working out the issues, but re-writing this in clean JS would likely be faster, just extracting the required infos (like HP values) lol

[subtle bluff]

It’s why buildstation is around now

Base value are easy.

[noble pelican]

Guess I'll transfer my builds later. Still min-maxing what's possible with 4 CS + Carthy and a lvl 6 shield currently.

[subtle bluff]

You can save builds on buildstation

https://buildstation.app/td2/profile/ImMrChow

Also few public buildings

[willow sigil]

does this site link to the game where it lets you view all of the gear you have in your stash?

[subtle bluff]

No. Div2 doesn’t give us… I forget the name of it but the stuff to do that.

[willow sigil]

darn

[subtle bluff]

This is all input manually.

[noble pelican]

A public API :p

[subtle bluff]

THAT…

Sleep calls for me. To the dark I go.

[willow sigil]

im looking at my crafting table, are we not able to craft ua gear?

[mild dawn]

craftable if you got the blueprint from the season track it was introduced on
i dont know if the blueprints are obtainable or not for you

[silver coral]

any good build for core strength?

[willow sigil]

yeah i started too late

[woeful chasm]

Hello, I wonder if anyone have a suggestion for Bluescreen builds. I am currently playing OD Ceska Overdogs with it but I hear other builds might be more potent. Which one should I try first?
I also wonder if there is any build with the bluescreen more leaning towards a support more so than just OD Bluescreen. Like galvanize bp or something?

[grim bluff]

Negotiator's is pretty fun, you're already spreading marks with bluescreen anyway

[lone violet]

Tempted to build core strength for pvp but I’m having a blast with these pve builds

[woeful chasm]

I will try ND Equalizer Overdogs with the bluescreen then.
Anyone have a suggestion on how to further improve on the support role I feel this weapon have the potential to be?

[short verge]

im trying something with skill cores since with the chest gives more than enough armor and weapon damage

[round siren]

Neg is really fun to use with Pakahan

Increase ammo each kill 😎

[lament reef]

If you want like extreme support, i guess you could throw in Lefty for Perfect Sledgehammer.

[woeful chasm]

Yeah I will try that, not a bad idea. And I will try a galvanize bp and play with the foam launcher I think.. sad none of the bluescreens talent triggers it. Would have been so neat.

[lament reef]

doesn’t bluescreen blind/confuse at 50 stacks?

[woeful chasm]

Pulse disrupt and dissorient

[lament reef]

ah no it’s pulse disrupt disorient

well i guess it can’t do everything

[woeful chasm]

Galvanize wants blind ensnare confuse or shock. :/

Can trigger the blind with the cloud armor ability so thats not too shabby.

[grim bluff]

At that point you're going into eclipse protocol kinda stuff, and then you're better off using scorpio

[round siren]

Use banshee and fixer if your using blue screen. Use the banshee first to stun then shoot as many as possible then deploy your fixer to stun them again

[livid sorrel]

yeah i'd just stick to ND DPS, the gun is already enough of a support if you mark a lot of enemies

[lament reef]

yeah that’s probably what i was thinking of

[round siren]

Use banshee first and use tilt scales for chest use equalizer and gloves underdogs

[livid sorrel]

you can drop a hive and pick it back up to trigger the talent for cheap

[lament reef]

yes i am very familiar with how the build works, i use it often

[round siren]

Oo did not know that

[woeful chasm]

Have one of those builds setup but I just find it a bit hard to play where it matters, like legendary and +t5 escal.

And it doesnt feel impactful enough in normal heroic content.

[livid sorrel]

enemies get hazpro in t4+ escalation iirc so status effects dont work as well

[woeful chasm]

Well I will just start working on finding some maxrolled ND and TS pieces to try those out for now. Thanks for suggestions and advice.

[lament reef]

all returns to strikers in the end

[lost wren]

it really is striker or nothing out here

[proper wave]

cc is pretty nice

I realised the stacks carry over when you run escalation multiple times

[glass oak]

Should I bother with builds midway through WONY, my watch is lvl 113, have the Iron Lung LMG and 4 Virtuoso pieces, should I roll with it until I complete all expansions cuz it serves me well for now

[lost wren]

might unironically start using toastey's build with hollow man and ceska for escalation

[short verge]

wide division agent

[lost wren]

maybe i should also dump expertise into gr9 as well

[short verge]

wouldnt hollow man be only a bit helpful since like 8/10 of those elites are the ones with armor bars

or is it like the elite skills that you're worried about more

[lost wren]

the health is also super bolstered too so something to help chew through that is also useful

[willow sigil]

can someone look at this. i feel like im not getting both talents. i can feel the frenzy working when i am using my primary, and i can feel the measured working when i am using my secondary, but i cant feel measured on my primary and i dont feel the rof increase when i reload with my secondary.

[short verge]

wait nvm me being stupid, i read "escalation" as "retaliation"

maybe with frenzy you're just shooting that fast

[woeful chasm]

None of them gr9s are named weapons?

[lost wren]

nope

[willow sigil]

yeah so i can reload my primary, i can def feel frenzy, but when i reload the one with measured, its not shooting as fast as the first one, no both are gr9

[livid sorrel]

it should only affect your primary, that's by design

[willow sigil]

oh. i didnt fully read tinkerer. f me. okay let me swap them and see.

[willow sigil]

oh yeah, yup. i def feel frenzy when i used measured as my primary thanks. im just an idiot

[weak quail]

Hey my friend uses ongoing directive so i was wondering if i were to use negotiator’s dilemma does hostile negotiators also share status damage between marked enemies? Could be a nice combination if so

[lament reef]

nah you’re good

if you just glance over the phrasing it sounds like that’s how it should work

[livid sorrel]

Negotiator only shares your own critical damage

[weak quail]

Crit damage right? Thought so. I guess bonus damage from hollow point ammo will still help but not as good as i was hoping. Thanks

[willow sigil]

so i have a question. i have ts gr9, and then i have ts overdogs. how do i know which one is better. they play exactly the same, and im not going to use both.

[strong charm]

how do you get new exotics in this game? I have been in countdown targeting for 3 days none, I just opened 9 cashes an got all old ones i already have

[willow sigil]

i run retaliations and get all my exotics that way. retaliations will also give you blueprints for exotics that you dont have, so that you can craft them and then get their recon blueprint if you want

[lament reef]

believe overdogs is better if you do the target priority thing right

theoretically 100% uptime on a 30% amp is better than tinkerers

[strong charm]

idk what that is lol, I'll look it up thx

[lament reef]

but i’m not a math guy, maybe frenzy gr9 tinkerer hits a breakpoint or something

[willow sigil]

is there a bis lmg for ts od?

[strong charm]

does this game ever get fun?

[willow sigil]

think is fun if you like diablo. not much variety in the end game. you just farm to run the same thing over and over to get different stuff to run the same thing over and over.

[strong charm]

diablo gives you loot tho, this game doesn't

[willow sigil]

i think about the same. both shower you. this gives more focused loot than diablo though so you can get your builds quicker

[strong charm]

I have made path builds faster than this game, that is a joke

[shy willow]

?

[fading orbit]

if you need someone to convince you the game is good you should just uninstall

[shy willow]

You can get geared up and on par with most players in about an hour

[strong charm]

nah was just look for what other find fun, I get I can turn off a game thx

[willow sigil]

poe also showers you in loot, but like d3 or d4 its not focused. here you can get a a whole set from 1 run of an activity. what activity have you been doing to try to farm items?

[lament reef]

depends if you want burst or sustain

i believe it’s mg5 for burst, stoner and gr9 are very close for sustained

[strong charm]

countdown, an a bit of summit

[willow sigil]

oh so not even any of the exotics. would the talents be frenzy then on all of them?

[strong charm]

mostly countdown cuz the cashes

I'll try the retaliation tho like you suggested

[lament reef]

well iron lung is an MG5, you are trading the damage perk for the exotic perk and the fixed attachments

[willow sigil]

yeah countdown should fill you up with around 50 peices of gear a run, summit not so much. you use summit mainly for the boss rooms to focus a singular piece, usually an exotic. you have been using the targeted loot during your countdown runs so that you are not just getting random garbage?

[strong charm]

ok thx very much for the advice an your time bud

[willow sigil]

i see, thanks. ill go read what iron lung does

[lament reef]

starts igniting when you shoot more than half the mag

the burn damage is minimal but it’s very handy CC

i think stoner’s mag is too large to drain in 5s from frenzy

[willow sigil]

ill give it a shot. was using big al, but i only really get to use that talent at the beginning of a retal cp. everyone pushes up and out of the cp once the waves start coming so its hard to keep cover to cover

[odd sleet]

Anyone have some builds for legendary runs? Just started dipping my toes in and I am getting hammered

[uncut yarrow]

Retaliation is far more interactive for me. Its at least a different spot every time so theres a bit more variety to it. I dont really mind farming it to get blueprints to then craft my own exotics

[ivory abyss]

Retaliations are great for most things. Which is why I like it. Countdown only beats it I believe with named items and optimization caches you can buy.

[versed kestrel]

I use this build for legendary and I feel it does decent since most of the mobs are bullet sponges 🧽

[versed kestrel]

If you have overdogs gloves you can swap the Coyote mask for striker mask

[noble pelican]

If you can't replace back/chest, what would the highest pick for a single yellow/named be? Salvo?

[lament reef]

salvo is pretty good yeah

[dapper glacier]

Back in the day when you could do exotic builds 😂😂

[broken edge]

and it would be worse than almost everyhting

[dapper glacier]

Yup

Even in those day NBB had bad rep 💀💀

[shy willow]

Nah it was actually good

Rest of them ranged from decent to trash

[junior lagoon]

this interface did not age well

[vernal wing]

Highly recommend just a Ceska piece and then swapping off Coyotes.

Then you can run any exotic or named item that works with the weapon you’re using.

[long dove]

hey all does this mean i should dismantle / extract talents attributues from the rest and only keep those for now since i just got to 40?

[noble pelican]

The build I'm trying to work out has chest/back/helmet+exo fixed; It basically boils down to holster/gloves/knees and what single yellow item goes best.

[vernal wing]

You HAVE to run Coyotes?

[noble pelican]

The build I'm talking about isn't even Coyote's?

[willow sigil]

you can do that, yeah. you can also extra talents and attributes off of those also if they are not well rolled.

[vernal wing]

What is your exotic?

[long dove]

well rolled means have BIS max stats like crit etc?

[willow sigil]

not necessarily max stats, but rather that stats you need. you can always bring up all of your stats to max eventually, but you can only change one stat. so for weapons as an example, you would be looking at keeping weapons that have the minor attribute damage to targets out of cover, or weapons that have the talent that you want, since you can only change one of those per weapon.

[noble pelican]

I'm working out a better solo master/legendary build, over the popular foundry+ninjaback option (that works, but lacks damage).

• Catharsis; Provides any healin I could need, while also providng weapon dmg
• 4x CS provides the armor, enough skill efficiency to heal a 8m+ shield in one hit and converts any yellow/blue core into 75% of a cores weapon dmg

The back piece isn't easily replaced without dropping in all of those stats, leaving me with a single named/yellow for knees/holster/gloves.

I'm not sure how all of this is relevant however, when the question was a simple "What's the best yellow/named, if you only have one slot free?" - outside of not specifying which slots would be available in the beginning.

[lavish plinth]

can i get the overdogs gloves from gloves as targeted loot at countdown

[next dawn]

yes

[willow sigil]

has to be salvos or contractors or foxes right?

[noble pelican]

Currently running Salvos, yea.
Was hoping someone might know which one comes out ahead.

I'll just calc it out later for my purpose. Pretty sure Salvo is doing well, while not being weapon type depending.

[long dove]

thank you but as new player how would i know these things. i was going a striker dps build but then i got a rigger set cache and been running that til i got to 40, im still in NY but almost full w inventory/stash

[junior lagoon]

catharsis would only be good in a situational pfe build imho

[willow sigil]

thats why i explain it to you. hold on there should be a fresh to 40 guide in the pinned in this channel

[junior lagoon]

you will not have good damage with a build like that no matter what unless there is a global event like assault or red overdrive

[long dove]

yeah saw bunch of guides thats why im checking i was just doing the story casually but i was out of space im trying to extract talents/dismantle

[willow sigil]

anything that you have under 40 you can dismantle

[noble pelican]

I'm currently sitting at 6-7m sustained on the same dummy that was 3-3.5m with the foundry+ninja build; that's perfectly fine for a solo build.

The goal here isn't to run "purebreed red monkey".

[long dove]

i got some exotics / gear set that too or i can lvl them up later?

[willow sigil]

same with exotics and gear sets, you cant bring them up to 40, so just dismantle them

[junior lagoon]

can you post your build?

[long dove]

ah crap thanks

[willow sigil]

they will be easy to get again

[burnt bone]

I took a lil break after I cleared the anniversary battle pass (I think right when prototype gear info was coming out?) has anything big changed 👀

Are prototypes the next big thing

[patent fossil]

Yeah proto is still the big thing of this season

[long dove]

yeah i just opened field cache and got bunch of lvl 40's again

[willow sigil]

look through everything. you will extract and dismantle exponentially more than you keep

[burnt bone]

So it’s like actually a big boost to builds

[noble pelican]

There's a breakdown on it further up in chat when I asked about the yellow/named specifically; Currently still working out small details (artificer level vs efficiency and such).

Basically; 4x CS with Catha & Salvo.

You're sitting at >2m armor, Crusader shield at >8m health (which artificer can heal in one go) and ~65/95k regen. CS converts any blue/yellow core into 75% of what a red one would give you and all stats are still focused on crit/offense, not defense.

You're tanky enough to facepalm into a minigunner + 2 hounds in solo master runs, while still killing fast enough to solo stuff like heroic retals quick & easy.

It's not the dps of a pure red/crit build, but it takes any stress you could have out of solo runs while being significantly faster compared to the older foundry+ninja builds.

[next dawn]

eh they are still iffy I wouldn't say they are the best new thing you can read more bout it here https://trello.com/c/b4osEAde

[patent fossil]

In theory yes, in practice noone will be getting maxed out proto for a very long time so it's basically just +50% to one stat per item, plus the augments (but they're very expensive to reroll).
Also they get normalised in raids/incursion/pvp

And you need 30 expertise or a huge amount of luck to get anything actually usable in proto form

[burnt bone]

Yeah I guess I get pvp because from what I’ve heard it’s already a mess, but idk why they’d normalize in raid and incursion 🤷🏻‍♂️

[next dawn]

they want to not trivialize the difficulty of incursions and raids

[burnt bone]

And I guess normalizing is less work than adding a new “prototype difficulty” 🤔

[junior lagoon]

what core is CSs?

[noble pelican]

Red + 2x Blue, or Red/Blue/Yellow (higher Hive, but it doesn't matter) + backpack which gives all 3.

If you want more damage, Memento likely also works to keep you alive while being more mobile; I just don't like it and enjoy the group regen in stuff like countdown, helps keeping people in the game.

[woeful forge]

What's a build that can go with bluescreen? just got one an it godrolled the two main attribs

[smoky latch]

Negotiator's Dilemma and Ongoing Directive are pretty good with it

[woeful forge]

oh nice i have an od build already, any named/yellow gear and exotics i need to pair with it?

[burnt bone]

I like negotiators dilemma with it :)

[junior lagoon]

4 x negotiator's dilemna, equalizer and overdogs

[woeful forge]

all the exotic weapons in this game feels so nice to use except for sanctum imperium, I even liked the merciless gimmick even tho peopole are saying its bad

[woeful forge]

not too far off with what i was running on od, i just need to get equalizer

[next dawn]

carnage if you want but ill also grab Wicked backpack

[burnt bone]

Equalizer is peak

[woeful forge]

while i dont have it a chest piece with obliterate could work?

[livid sorrel]

just to fill it sure, better if it's ceska or unit alloys

[willow sigil]

it feels kind of pointless no? because the gear is really only for escalation, but escalation doesnt reward anything better than the gear, so youre just farming escalation, to get gear, to farm more escalation, to get more gear, with no real reward. its like its own closed loop.

[woeful forge]

and is it a dz only drop? got my hopes down when i found out liquid engineer was dz only

[smoky latch]

ND:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_4UqMQwbnO8M125LgDCX1jJ86LsRkPVKjTwFndPo2zY/edit?usp=drivesdk (bit outdated, no Overdogs version shown)

OD:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Zu9fKBuzxZ_EDlx_hkm2HN_f_KZltlZu7I8LRyceVE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[woeful forge]

im running an obliterate UA, should fill it for now since equalizer is just the named variant of the UA right?

[livid sorrel]

yeah it'll do until you get equalizer

[next dawn]

it kinda is it feel more like bragging rights type of thing

[livid sorrel]

it's just nice to have

[woeful forge]

also is this the case for equalizer? dz only or can be farmed somewhere else like summit?

[smoky latch]

Anywhere with TL

[woeful forge]

W, i dont have to feel down about it like with liquid engi

Should i target UA or Chestpieces when doing countdowns for it??

[smoky latch]

Always the brand

[woeful forge]

Time to clock in on a countdown grind, cheers for the build

[willow sigil]

maybe with a full set casual players can solo legendary content.

[smoky latch]

Not really. Running a good build is only part of success

If you don't know how to run it, you have no chance

[next dawn]

my OD build is old I need to revamp it

[willow sigil]

no way to brute force legendary?

[smoky latch]

Yes and no. Requires experience

[onyx sage]

legendary kicks my butt

[smoky latch]

You be quiet, lol

You kick legendary's butt you mean

No need to be shy, sir

[onyx sage]

sir i have no prototype gear it's impossible for me

[smoky latch]

Idk if you have yet but you could run leggo with actual purple gear 😛

[noble pelican]

You can technically make yourself tanky enough to just facetank through it, but if you want to be perfectly safe you'd sacrifice a crapton of damage, costing you tons of time.

There's no "easy but fast" option not involving skill.

[burnt bone]

That’s what I was just thinking about haha

[willow sigil]

this game needs titles. hopefully d3 will have some. theres no point in an a online multiplayer looter with nothing to show for it

[smoky latch]

If all the exploits would get fixed and cheaters would actually get banned, then titles would make sense

Currently not even the scoreboards for ANY activity can be taken seriously. All cheesed and cheated

[willow sigil]

your anticheat cant be worse than bungies

[smoky latch]

EAC is not bad, if it gets used

[onyx sage]

tier 10 mission has a 4min leaderboard entry

[smoky latch]

My a**

I don't even check any leaderboards anymore cuz it's pointless

[willow sigil]

its because this game has no end game content worth caring about

[smoky latch]

Even then you'd see unrealistic results

[willow sigil]

just farming builds to run more retals

[smoky latch]

Not a fan of the protoshit loop myself but I love the Retaliations, especially the BT ones now

[noble pelican]

Ironically, Bungies D2 had the same issue with not having endgame content outside of raids/dungeons worht doing daily.

You'd be surprised how many people spend most of their time just farming lost sectors for 5+ hours daily to get a new PB lol

[onyx sage]

i did solo legs and masters with full red to see if those were possible and that's already done, did all the retals to get blueprints, done loop 40 descent back to back, now there's no incentive anymore unless i want to speedrun

[willow sigil]

youre right, 90% of the playerbase didnt engage with raids/dungeons, but the game itself was built around those raids/dungeons.

[onyx sage]

rest of my time is just giving advice here

[smoky latch]

Here is accurate data about D2:
https://popularity.report/

[patent fossil]

Looking at season journey 8, you've got a lot of legendary carries to do

[willow sigil]

up until they fell apart recently, the whole reason you would continuously grind gear in that game was to prep for the the constant raids and dungeons that would come out. there was a purpose to the grind

[onyx sage]

sir... you wouldn't carry me

[patent fossil]

I'm the one needing the carry, did a mm incursion the other day and it took over an hour 😫

[onyx sage]

omg

i want to do more incursion tho. got some good runs lately

even better if they let me do achilles shots

[noble pelican]

I have the data, given that I'm the one who developed the LostSectorReport tool used to track speedruns to begin with. :p

[shy willow]

Dien in content that isn't legendaries/master !!!!???

[willow sigil]

the game itself is not bad i promise you, its just right now, its in the same place div 2 is, where there is no forward direction or incentive

[smoky latch]

Ah nice

[willow sigil]

did you track how many times i ran caldera?

[hexed steppe]

I need to do that soon. 1 incursion under the belt now tho, we'll half. Got pulled in for Wright and lovebirds. Still dont know what the f was going on

[smoky latch]

I'll never install that game again, ever. I've deleted it from my Steam library

[lone glacier]

After doing leggo Tidal I never want to run leggo Tidal ever again. The last area gives me PTSD

[onyx sage]

run that with me

[shy willow]

The good news is it's really simple

[lone glacier]

"Oh you killed all the WT in the area? Heres 40 more because **** ***"

[noble pelican]

I purely focused on lost sectors, with +/- 400 full clears myself and sub 2min30sec clears in some.

Stopped playing entirely however, after 5-6k hours and don't plan on looking back.

[willow sigil]

what was the community called, where i can find people to sherpa me through the incursions and raids?

[patent fossil]

Now that raids and incursion give proto cores I've got a reason to run them again, only got the most basic grasp of the mechanics though so competent teammates are a must

[lone glacier]

I mean hell we could probably run it and get Kettle in there, just finishing my HB build rn

[patent fossil]

GCRock

Need to join it myself

[onyx sage]

kettle's times don't match up with mine sadly

[hexed steppe]

Didn't feel that way with 3x ftc

[lone glacier]

Damn. Rip kettle

[shy willow]

All about dat DPS

[silver coral]

which is worth crafting first ouroboros eagle bearer or big horn?

[willow sigil]

yes i want to learn, its the last bit of content i need to do

[warm lagoon]

Whats a good build for firewall Specialiation? Its the last one I need to finish

[hexed steppe]

Luckily I had a striker set on me. Didn't even know I was getting into an incursion, just accepted the blind invite from a clan mate

[lone violet]

Anyone got a strong pistol build I wanna test it on some hunters

[livid sorrel]

hunter's fury

[civic meteor]

What are good weapons for a strikers build

Or is it like anything automatic lol

[onyx sage]

790+ rpm

[hexed steppe]

Frenzy gr9

[civic meteor]

I wanna get the ouraborus but I’m a noob compared to anyone and can’t get past the first part of the incursion

[hexed steppe]

What goats use anyways 🐐

[fading orbit]

lmg setup is optimal with tinker mask for 2 weapon talents? or not worth it

[hexed steppe]

I'm all about overdogs

[lament reef]

tinkerer is nice but 30% perma amp is basically impossible to beat

[fading orbit]

yea, I just found that specially in high escalation you can't always focus the correct targets cause there is some dude rushing you lol

[onyx sage]

tinkerer vs overdogs is basically second weapon talent vs 30%

[lament reef]

isn’t the dude rushing you usually a low tier

[willow sigil]

i used both, like tinkerer more. less thinking.

[hexed steppe]

Nego allows for more flexibility in target choice since transfer. Still need to prioritize high threat regardless sometimes

[junior lagoon]

we made until 3rd part and fell there

[onyx sage]

nego frenzy my beloved

[junior lagoon]

do the black tusk retals for ourovboros much easier than friggin incursion

[fading orbit]

sometimes, but that sometimes push it away from actually being 30% I guess, I'll try the tinker I guess

[willow sigil]

i dunno what content you are doing with it, but the damage difference is negligible. you wont feel it.

[junior lagoon]

incurison, dark hours etc.. gives me trauma from my mmo days a decade ago

[fading orbit]

mostly escalations and retaliations

[worn charm]

Do retaliations and craft it

[hexed steppe]

Ever use frenzy+measured?

[willow sigil]

yeah you will not feel any difference. it will not matter which option you choose.

[onyx sage]

nah, i haven't tried, I'd have to figure out how to sync frenzy

[hexed steppe]

I think it syncs ok iirc. I did a quick test a while back

It was on striker tho

[fading orbit]

for tinker is measured + frenzy?

[willow sigil]

idk what exactly its for, but thats what i was told and so thats what i use and have no complaints or reason to change it

[next dawn]

ofc

[hexed steppe]

The only reason im not a fan of frenzy is the prep needed. Once youre chaining, its great tho

[next dawn]

frenzy+ measured it too fun to give up

[fading orbit]

yea, that's the real point I guess

going brrr more fun then overdogs

[next dawn]

lol

[lament reef]

true

i love just magdumping tinkerer’s OD

[willow sigil]

dont think you need much prep in heroic. just blast and when it procs it procs. at least i dont take the time to think and prep. if there happens to be a jug or a named enemy when it procs, great.

[civic meteor]

Retals?

[junior lagoon]

retaliations

[civic meteor]

Ohh

[grizzled garnet]

how can i drop my gr9 mag? currently sitting at 260 but it feels like thats too much for frenzy. i dont have the gunner bag on it

[civic meteor]

Is it worth the grind?

[junior lagoon]

absolutely

[willow sigil]

yeah, youll eventually want to unlock the 700 blueprints anyways

[junior lagoon]

retaliations are the best activity in the game imho and especially black tusk rewards are the best

[worn charm]

Its not even a grind you do it 5 times and have everything lmao

[livid sorrel]

are you using the mag size season modifier

[junior lagoon]

huge fun and learning

[grizzled garnet]

nop

i think the only thing giving me mag size is tipping scales but i cant really not use tipping scales on a tipping scales build 😩

[worn charm]

Also gr9 is literally only worth using for the mag size, so if you want lower mag youre better off just by switching the gun

[junior lagoon]

try mk46

[civic meteor]

Well I’m debating if I should do it rn I’m level 490 and kinda suck

Trying to adapt to the chatterbox rn and master the heroic difficulty

[worn charm]

You can matchmake for it, idk how active is xbox lfg but on pc ppl arent running anything else past few days

I mean not matchmake, but lfg sry

[civic meteor]

Oh you can matchmake for specifically black tusk?

[worn charm]

No you just find ppl running black tust and join them, or find people who wanna go with you and start yours

[willow sigil]

no but people have it up ingame chat throughout the day, just whisper them to inv you

when you switch loadouts your specialization perks do not change with it?

[hexed steppe]

Use striker instead of tipping

[livid sorrel]

No

[willow sigil]

thats no good

[onyx sage]

only good frenzy lmg for tipping is m60 family. gr9 is good for striker, not tipping

[smoky latch]

Does it need RoF as 3rd attribute?

[onyx sage]

don't think so

[smoky latch]

I don't play those slow ones, hence no experience

[lament reef]

mg5 enjoyer

[smoky latch]

Mag too smol in general

[hexed steppe]

Bluescreen or bust

Screw damage talents

[smoky latch]

MK46/M249 for me usually. MG5 in some builds

[worn charm]

This ❤️

[next dawn]

GR9 TS is fine

[lament reef]

true
bluescreen is a workhorse

[worn charm]

Bluescreen doesnt need dmg talent bcs it already does twice the dmg at base 😂 plus cc utility ❤️

[hexed steppe]

Fr, I love my npcs looking drunk af

[junior lagoon]

when do we open bluescreen fan club

[hazy steeple]

30 Expertise Banshee Pulse leaves them stunned for so long it's actually broken spawns for me before.
now that's power.

[hexed steppe]

It already exists. It shares a building with the mortar fan club 😎

[junior lagoon]

how is the new black pulse?

[hazy steeple]

Speaking of pulses starting with B that cause the game to panic: Blackout is going to be truly missed.

[woeful forge]

@worn charm need info on that fire eclipse build, what exotics and main weapons?

[hazy steeple]

There's a link in the "spreadsheet 2" that's 📌 pinned in this channel to a really good fireclipse setup.

[loud sleet]

Would anybody have any good tips how to make a funny eagle bearer build

[willow sigil]

is there a way we can move our loadouts up and down? or do we have to remake and overwrite?

[onyx sage]

the latter sadly

[loud sleet]

This is something even I would love to know.
Haven't found a way in my 200 hours

[next dawn]

start with Unit Alloy and work off from there

[loud sleet]

Thanks, I'm trying to make a build that with I would basically be Immortal

[next dawn]

gl with that Bloodsucker talent might be something you want to look into

[willow sigil]

this a hard roll to get ive been looking for it on ua backpack for a few days now

[coral reef]

never thought about remake and overwrite, kinda genius really

[smoky latch]

Stoneage

[loud sleet]

Yeah I'm good with builds but the starts are always hard to think.

And I think I should have an god roll backpack with bloodsucker

[next dawn]

I just get the backpack and recali for bloodsucker\

[willow sigil]

its actually kind of crappy. you have to save your first loadout as a new last loadout, and then shift everything down one.

[willow sigil]

but hef to get 2 crit rolls

[next dawn]

ofc finding a focus point to go off from

[next dawn]

that isnt that bad

[willow sigil]

maybe my luck is no good

[next dawn]

(Spend 12 hour grinding Houndman bounty for unicorn Backbone still havent gotten it)

[loud sleet]

Yup, I'm currently in the spot of the game that I got all the different gear sets with god rolls so if I need those I don't need to grind

It took me very long to find those funny part is that I have spent over 150 hours to just grind stuff and the other 50 was just to get to level 40 and little bit of SHD level

[willow sigil]

if i want to make a blue striker with elmo, do i still go for 55 chc? or just forgo and go chd?

[next dawn]

55% chc is good after that just dump into chd

[willow sigil]

trying to clean out my vault. ty

[next dawn]

you gonna spend even more gl hunting

[loud sleet]

This is not an good Proposal but you can also go HS damage and use striker with blue cores then play close range with it and hit head shots.

It is na really funny build but then you gotta play aggressive if you don't got good accuracy and stability

[loud sleet]

🫡

[willow sigil]

every blue striker build, or any bruiser build i see online wants me to use crusader shield. i dont want to use crusader shield. so im trying to make something where i do not have to use crusader shield.

speak of the devil. its done

[next dawn]

Hologram decloy better ngl

[loud sleet]

I only have 1 build that uses that shield and it is my foundry bulwark with targigade chest and lavoisier backpack

[loud sleet]

This build basically gives all my teammates 1mil bonus armor every 10 seconds

[next dawn]

Vanguard and galvanized im guessing

[willow sigil]

yeah. going to try 4 striker 2 ua and maybe the ar damage will ofset some of the red core loss. would have been better if i could get a bag with chc chd and bloodsucker so that i could roll the weapon damage to blue

[next dawn]

Gl with that

[loud sleet]

Yup

It is just an basic armor support build

I do have basic refactor healer build too

And then I have an meme build that is 160% weapon handling just for fun xd

[next dawn]

Sounds good

My bonus armor supports give about 2.1 million total

[willow sigil]

i know in pvp you dont want an odd number of blue cores, either 0,2,4,6. is that the same with pve?

[next dawn]

Na it's more flexible for pve

But you should still follow that ratio

[loud sleet]

Nice me second bonus armor build gives same ampunt but I like to use the targigade chest as it gives people the second life

[willow sigil]

im wondering if i should roll equalizer to blue and run 5 blue

[next dawn]

Valid option

[next dawn]

It's your build who's gonna stop you lol

[willow sigil]

im not rich like you i cant keep testing and going back and forth

[loud sleet]

And my friend plays full damage build so it is good that he has an second life when I use that build

[next dawn]

Technically you giving a third life cuz reviver hive

[next dawn]

Lol

[loud sleet]

TRUE

[warm knot]

Why not crusader shield?

[willow sigil]

i dont like the clunkyness of it, and then having to keep putting it away to mantel and pulling it back out, its just not my playstyle

i want to make a hunters fury build too, but they all also want me to use crusader shield

[warm knot]

I'd say memento or 6 red + fixer drone then. For HF I'd say assault drone + memento.

[willow sigil]

i tried to run memento, im not good at managing the stacks. think bloodsucker will let me be more lazy.

[next dawn]

Lol

[willow sigil]

im sorry lol, im just a big fan of things that just work on their own.

[junior lagoon]

that is how i felt at the beginning but after a while you get used to it and then don't feel that way

[warm knot]

Memento stacks expire after 5min if no token collected... It shouldn't be hard.

[willow sigil]

i already dislike determined because i lose it every time i swap to quickstep

[livid sorrel]

you don't have to, it's just an option

[willow sigil]

this what i came up with so hopefully itll hold its own

[spark mortar]

what set works best with pestilence?

[lament reef]

concentrated company

[next dawn]

Striker or CC

[coral reef]

solo: Lengmo unicorns
groups: concentrated company

[lament reef]

no
striker’s bonus doesn’t affect the tick

[warm knot]

High-end or CoCo.

[next dawn]

Hush

But yes you are correct

[coral reef]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?tab=t.0

[smoky latch]

That are too many armor cores for Bloodsucker.
Think of it this way: You use Bloodsucker to get bonus armor. For that you need damage. Too many blue cores prevent you from that.
For higher difficulties, that is. Idk what you play on, usually, just saying

[spark mortar]

i figured tipping scales would be the best but i’ll try concentrated company

[willow sigil]

think drop down to 4? or 2 would be even better?

[lament reef]

use ongoing dilemma

the bleed feeds itself and a sadist gun is permanently amped

[coral reef]

concentrated company requires group play, keep it in mind in case you play solo

[willow sigil]

ill look and see what ongoing does

[smoky latch]

2 should be OK. But, Elmo does not have a damage talent either. Give it a try and adjust if need be

[coral reef]

and don't tell me that you play coco with your "friends" the drone and turret

[spark mortar]

mainly but i have a group i play with too

[willow sigil]

i only have 16 loadout slots keep in mind

[lament reef]

could delete something

[spark mortar]

i don’t use the turret anyway i got decoy and banshee

[next dawn]

Eh too many armor core you trying to play dz or something? Drop a few armor cores and get rid of that false God St elmos

[willow sigil]

is starting to fill up fast with you guys keep giving me so many things to try

[honest moss]

M700 Carbon a good MR version to keep? Just had a proto drop with determined and dttooc.

[next dawn]

It's good

[willow sigil]

i want to do these heroic manhunts without getting sent back to the beginning of the mission

[next dawn]

2/4 ratio then

[willow sigil]

and i also wait for lex event.

[spark mortar]

lexington will return in 2050

[willow sigil]

do not lie to me

[next dawn]

Will return at the end of the season hopefully

[smoky latch]

Yeah I need some more to waste for prototyping

[next dawn]

They should have let the prototype gear cook more

They gave us undercooked shit

[smoky latch]

Alex said in the latest stream, it wouldn't have changed their approach

[next dawn]

Smh

[smoky latch]

It's on us, the players now, how we react

[spark mortar]

it has crazy potential

striker builds getting full echo/paradox

[next dawn]

Too undercooked

[subtle bluff]

I mean they’re your allies too and they do help build stacks…

[coral reef]

but its so slow! not worth it, in that case you're better served with Lengmo

[willow sigil]

is ongoing dilemma negotiators dilemma?

[next dawn]

Tf you on

[lament reef]

no they are similarly named though

totally different effects

[junior lagoon]

if people got what they wanted in a week, the content would be dead by now.

[subtle bluff]

I really need to sit down with CoCo again showing and at what stacks where catches up to Lengmo

[junior lagoon]

i am already sick of grand washington

[next dawn]

Ongoing directive != negotiators dilemma

[vernal wing]

No, if people got what they wanted they would all be dead.

[willow sigil]

i cant find it in gearsets, are you meaning ongoing directice?

[lament reef]

oh

[next dawn]

Yes ongoing directives

[willow sigil]

oh i see it now

[lament reef]

lmao my bad

[next dawn]

XD

[willow sigil]

i have to learn all these things before i develop my own context clues

[lament reef]

it’s commonly abbreviated as OD and negotiator’s as ND, so i forgor

[warm knot]

Also, CoCo != CC

[next dawn]

Y8S2 gear set be ongoing dilemma

[plush thistle]

if you go into targeted loot on retalations or summit you can view the set names as for the effect online they post gear effects or on this discord they have builds too

[vernal wing]

Crit chance
Crowd control
Credit card

[willow sigil]

yeah i dunno the names from the icons. i have to look at the spreadsheet

[lament reef]

the situation they have right now with prototypes is a genuine ongoing dilemma

[next dawn]

This man cooking

[subtle bluff]

CHC = Crit Hit Chance

[vernal wing]

Should we negotiate their directive?

[subtle bluff]

Ok guys..

[warm knot]

Concetrated Company = CoCo
CC = Crowd control
Chc = crit chance
Chd = crit damage

[plush thistle]

lol

[next dawn]

XD

[willow sigil]

for my hs build, am i using 4pc hs, or 3pc and overdogs?

[solar sable]

the latter

[subtle bluff]

It’s called hotdog build

[next dawn]

Hmm the latter indeed

[worn imp]

Hahahaha

[willow sigil]

what is this exotic weapon? i have all 4 mmr bps unlocked but its not on the list in my crafting table

[worn imp]

Hey Chow btw can u tell me off the top of ur head if any SMG/AR/LMG high end red build can possibly deal more DPS than Ongoing Directive DPS setup?

[next dawn]

Your weapon set up is fine

[solar sable]

Nemesis

[subtle bluff]

No HE build is gonna out DPS OD build

[worn imp]

😭

[subtle bluff]

Too much AMP going on.

[willow sigil]

what do i use as secondary to white death

[worn imp]

Not even with all red closer and flatline, and like... backbone lengmo?

[next dawn]

I use nemesis

[willow sigil]

okay i gotta figure out where that drops

[solar sable]

M870 w/Brazen as backup

[worn imp]

Also the salvo holster

And maybe a little hollow man mask?

[next dawn]

Gl with getting nemesis it gonna take you a few weeks 🙂

[willow sigil]

have faith

[lament reef]

it’s a quest

[next dawn]

It's a quest that relies on invaded mission and strongholds 🙂

[subtle bluff]

The closest you’ll get is with PGV, Vigilance and Overdogs sure some other stuff

• 30x25x30x10 (Let’s just random 10 more)

OD

• 50x18x30x20

[lament reef]

bro forgot escape characters

[next dawn]

need a revamp want to do

[lament reef]

throw away that vile and use tinkerer’s

[worn imp]

Catalyst

[subtle bluff]

Not vile

[next dawn]

not vile

[worn imp]

Not vile

[subtle bluff]

Also Ceska Wicked or Vigilance

[next dawn]

works for me

[subtle bluff]

What are we today a bandwagon group?

[worn imp]

Had to do it hahah

[subtle bluff]

Catalyst was lil interesting to do for fun the proc of is really weird.

Watching someone stream and watch the uptime of it is so garage for the good buffs

[next dawn]

I like Catalyst it's fun

[subtle bluff]

Nah I get it. If were a lil easier to proc it could be used in support tank

[outer crest]

Hey guys, I recently decided that I want to create a healer build. For this, I need the Bierdies Quick Fix backpack. Where can I get this backpack?

[worn imp]

Garage 🚗 👨‍🔧

[next dawn]

Fair enough the proc is weird ngl

[subtle bluff]

I hate English

[subtle bluff]

Birdies isn’t need for any healer build. It is great to just have to swap to when teammate do fall tho.

Kelso Manhunt

[next dawn]

Or black tusk retaliation

[subtle bluff]

RIGHT I need to do that still

[next dawn]

Kelso manhunt is better

[outer crest]

do you have an advice for an good healer build.

[subtle bluff]

Fun Master.

OH DO I? (Brb 15s)

[next dawn]

Future initiatives with btsu glove and hive and Chem launcher

[jade tulip]

Hello, there's some nice Hardcore Build for the Eagle Bearer?

[next dawn]

heres what I run

Don't mind the mods

[urban latch]

Do you mean for hardcore characters?

[jade tulip]

Nice, would have to change the Glass cannon of course, but is nice, and yes, Hardcore Characters

[fickle sparrow]

on refractor should i go 2pc hana-u with the usual talents or use the refractor chestpiece? the talent on chestpiece looks good to me

[urban latch]

Really don't recommend using EB on HC, it's a really good way to down yourself and delete your character

[next dawn]

Refactor chest for more healing or you can go Impetus for more damage

[jade tulip]

I thought that, its hard the uncoming damage all at once

[fickle sparrow]

@next dawn ok ty...i think its either or really eh...more damage would yield better healing....but refractors chest talent guarantees a set amount so im leaning there

[next dawn]

From my testing the Refractor chest gives more healing the extra damage from Impetus is just to do more damage and make healing a second hand thing

[plush thistle]

best way to gain threat will black tusk?

[next dawn]

The healing is less with Impertus

[vague zodiac]

Idk if anyone noticed, but lmgs' zoomed in crosshair is not centered. You have to slightly aim a bit to the high left.

[next dawn]

Black tusk control points, bounty, and invaded missions

[fickle sparrow]

@next dawn yeh i wanna lean more into being a group healer its for escalation....ok ty for confirming i appreciate it

[next dawn]

Yup then run the Refactor chest gl

[urban latch]

If you want to heal in escalation, please run FI, its just miles better for the whole team

Theres two builds that are effective in escalation, striker, and arguably FI. thats it

[tawdry raven]

is it even worth grinding for full echo build, im kinda liking the amalgam augment

[fickle sparrow]

@urban latch i did other day and we got a wide open map....i forget what mission but yeh...team all spread out and iv just not had enough practice with the chem launcher for clutch heals haha but yeh bank head quarters seems the most run this week and its enclosed so your prob right

[crystal anchor]

This is the build Im currently running does anyone know of a good weapon for the first slot

[grizzled garnet]

so for a frenzy gr9 what striker build should i use? 🤔

[willow sigil]

does overdogs drop from hyena retal?

[next dawn]

Yes

[uncut yarrow]

Any Ravenous builds yall got? I have my own i snagged off a YT video with Memento and 4% armor regen, and then an interesting one I stole off a friend which is a merge of Core Strength and Foundry Tank with Ninjabike

[hoary raptor]

Is the capacitor capped at 6 skill tiers for the 7.5 damage?

[next dawn]

Yup

[vernal wing]

Yes, but you can run technician and then get an extra red core

[frozen hull]

Lexington

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't matter with CoCo. Whatever you want to use.

[subtle bluff]

Rav is a niche. When its niche talent is used correctly it's unbeatable.
(it's not bonus armor)

Rav doesn't need a focus build due to its niche.

[bold forum]

goes dilemme could work well paired with pestillence ( dilemma kill the eneemy you see , pestillence finish by killing the enemey you dont if close enought )

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It doesn't work that well since you're not stacking a lot of pesti on other targets the tick dmg is very low.

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pestilence tick is overrated

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It really is.

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i mean it can help clearing since enemy always tend to hide xd

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i mean if you know how to bait them to shoot you then you can just mark them or shoot them

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how do you bait them ? because when i'm just aiming at them , they stay hiding for 20 sec , always end up nading them

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this isn't a problem that's hard to solve that you need pestilence for

you just pop out of cover and pretend to shoot at them

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thats what i do , usually they just stay cover xd

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most of the time, they hide because you aren't in their LOS or they're about to change cover

make sure they can actually shoot you when you pop out

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normally they could shoot me most of the time

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this is just basic AI manip