td2-build-advice

[worn elbow]

Idk how that performs but there’s a better setup if you want to

[eager cosmos]

Send it. Im in an experimental phase

Ah but you see. Im bad

[silent storm]

So am I

[worn elbow]

Heartbreaker holster chest knee backpack
Overdogs and ceska mask for more crit chances

I would send the full build pic but I’m in bed at the moment

[silent storm]

You have to remember as well that people with Blue Core builds have 30 exp weapons so they get 2 Red Cores from that. So even if you just changed 2 to Red Core you would be much better off and still keep your Shield level because of <Memento>

[worn elbow]

This fella got no expertise 30 tho look at elmo

[silent storm]

That is my point

[worn elbow]

Ye that good fella needs some reds in there

[limber falcon]

I'd recommend trying out some strong CC options such as banshee pulse and blinder firefly. Don't trade shots when multiple enemies have line of sight and use CC to disrupt them and catch them off guard

[worn elbow]

If you still want to use memento use this
Ceska mask + memento
Heartbreaker chest glove knee holster

[smoky latch]

Also a high-end assault rifle and technician specialization

For the linked laser pointer (LLP)

[worn elbow]

Ye laser sight for guaranteed pulse

[eager cosmos]

Dont have overdogs

[worn elbow]

Try this then

[eager cosmos]

All of this is great advice thank you

[worn elbow]

Your welcome I’ll send the setup I use tomorrow

[eager cosmos]

Thanks!

I just want to do the legendary missions in the journey list (not solo)

[worn elbow]

I’ll @ you tomorrow here if that’s alright with ya

[limber falcon]

legendary missions don't scale so I high recommend you have a full party when attempting them

[worn elbow]

Or try matchmaking it works

Sometimes good teams and sometimes mid teams

[eager cosmos]

That works

[smoky latch]

They do tho. But differently

[slim tulip]

does anyone have a good ravenous build ?

[subtle bluff]

Rav is a niche weapon due to its talent. But when the niche is used correctly nothing else beats it.

[slim tulip]

i would like a good build that breaks armor does that make sense?

[subtle bluff]

Rav works without a build

[limber falcon]

I didn't realize, how is it different from normal scaling?

[smoky latch]

The NPC damage scales with group size but not as blatant as from one difficulty to another. Health is also scaled but the amount of NPCs aren't affected as much IIRC

Should ask in #ask-td2-community but I think so

[limber falcon]

that's really cool, i've gotta look into it more sometime. I usually play with one friend so i'm curious how it differs

[subtle bluff]

I think we have something in the build hub too for scaling.

[limber falcon]

sweet, thanks for the input. I'll take a look now

found it! much appreciated
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml#

[subtle bluff]

the one below that is the HP numbers

[limber falcon]

oh wow, that one's a lot more detailed. Thanks again

[subtle bluff]

There's a ton of good info around here just a lot of it. LOL

[limber falcon]

yeah, it's kind of overwhelming at first, but the intricacies make the game a lot more entertaining to engage with

[late coral]

is there a way to get a second investors mask?

[ivory abyss]

I copied what you said but mine shows 26/16/16 does it change due to something else or

[lone glacier]

Did you put the passive modifiers in the order I posted?

[ivory abyss]

I believe so

[grim bluff]

Is your active skill maxed out

[lone glacier]

All 3

[ivory abyss]

OH no only 2 are maxed

[grim bluff]

You get +points for the active level

[ivory abyss]

I need to max the skill one then okay got it, thanks

[uncut yarrow]

Could get a 290 round Bluescreen if im not mistaken lol

290 Ongoing Directive hollowpoint rounds

[lone glacier]

🤓

[uncut yarrow]

Yea holy mag lol

340 Alejandro is crazy though. Even near the end of the last season when we got that mag boost I was only at like 250 I think?

[magic pilot]

This is my go to for now

[lone glacier]

Now I want to finish my OD build with Tinkerer..

[magic pilot]

What talents you going to run?

[lone glacier]

Killer Sadist

At least for Solo. Group probably Frenzy Sadist

[magic pilot]

Yea nice, I use the same setup

Or measured sadist w mg5

[uncut yarrow]

Found these dudes earlier that made my bluescreen build easily playable in Retaliation and that was dope

Just laying down bullets everywhere dude. Constant bleeds and such. I dont even think im using it as optimally as I could but it works

[lone glacier]

Frenzy with the 340 round mag though. Every 10 rounds is +3% rof and +3% weapon damage.. thats quite a bump

[silent storm]

Too many rounds to be effective

[uncut yarrow]

Yea i mean just straight pissing through ammo lol

[uncut yarrow]

How so?

[silent storm]

You lose Frenzy before you run out of ammo so you are wasting rounds on no bonus

[lone glacier]

The mag is gonna be empty faster than you can look with the increased RoF.. but also your ammo

[buoyant mulch]

gonna be out of ammo in like 30 seconds

[lone glacier]

send it

worth a shot though. If it doesnt work out well I'll just switch to Measured Sadist instead

[uncut yarrow]

Well on the other side of that coin, youre doing all of that potential damage a whole lot faster

[gloomy parcel]

hey guys, can anyone craft Overdogs gloves? i have bad luck dropping them

[solar sable]

can't share crafted items

[gloomy parcel]

damn

there goes my luck even further xd

[subtle bluff]

Ya your fine with the build

[short verge]

hehe, skill build with ~2 million armor is fun

interesting that the memento bonus armor calculates with the original armor value and not with the boosted armor given by core strength

[subtle bluff]

If I got a dollar for everytime I've someone say 2 mill armor in the past few months even more in the last few days I'd be able to buy a real GPU..

[quiet plinth]

I think heartbreaker might be my pick if I want to go close to or full red due to the built in bonus armor
If I am boring and run memento, its a bump to survivability and damage, but notably slowly healing armor underneath the bonus armor, and I can run technician for the pulse sight
I could forgo memento for overdogs for higher raw damage, but opens a hole in fixing raw armor but gunner aok can fix that, but now id be relying on the headshots for pulse alone which isnt too bad but its less free than the tech sight. But now that leaves the backpack slot open and ive got no idea of what high end it could fill (anarchists cookbook?), and then theres the option of just the set backpack just for a little bit more survivability
Just kinda sucks that the chest is that important so it has to take over the spot of equalizer
Have I said anything stupid or failed to consider anything and am therefore stupid

[subtle bluff]

A lot was said.

What are you trying to do?

[quiet plinth]

The first line of my post

[subtle bluff]

what are you using atm?

[quiet plinth]

Make a build that is all (or nearly) red while still having some padding

[quiet plinth]

3b/2r/memento strikers, technician to hit tier 6 on crusader shield
It works for basically everything, especially solo stuff but im just wanting to have more than 1 build that I can use without it strictly being worse due to suffering too much in one area, whether that be survivability or damage

[subtle bluff]

What waepon?

You're gonna lose DPS going to HB

[short verge]

??

[quiet plinth]

Right now elmos cuz its just plug and play

[subtle bluff]

go to a weapon with killer

[quiet plinth]

On my current build or the heartbreaker one?

[subtle bluff]

Both

[subtle bluff]

80% of CS build are 2mill armor builds.

[quiet plinth]

I have a famas with killer that I used until I got elmos, and elmos was an instant jump in killing power though

[subtle bluff]

even tho Famas killer has more burst DPS than elmo

[grizzled garnet]

there an updated fi healer build bc the one in the spreadsheet it over 1.5 years old. or is it just still standing strong?

[subtle bluff]

Nothing has changed

[grizzled garnet]

🙏

[open pulsar]

I've tried a few different things with my limited brainpower and came up with this, 33% weapon handling and 29% armor, ofcourse you could get them higher but in my opinion this is pretty good for my playstyle

[runic thicket]

My armor feels too low but I've been holding my own. it's like 700k

I can play on challenging

[open pulsar]

Embrace being a glass cannon

[runic thicket]

Normally in games I focus on health or armor before anything else. Here I'm focused on Crit chance and damage

[open pulsar]

No dmg = no fun

[pulsar burrow]

How viable is the shotgun build with Tinkerer's Mask and Ongoing Directive? Seemed neat.

[verbal blade]

hi im looking for build for maximizing granade dmg

[short verge]

ive been trying to figure out how to get one of those stacks higher than 50, what are the passives here?

[livid mica]

Trying to set up a ravenous build, thinking either Virtuoso and playing into the low range, or a ninjabike full highend build, or a core strength build. Has anyone tried any of these or have other suggestions

[dawn bane]

Ongoing directive + ouroboros, doable?

[solar sable]

not worth

[open pulsar]

Split attack, saturate utility and cascade

Those are what I use but you could just saturate anything and use consume of the same one

Gives 55 I think

[lone glacier]

Split Utility, Nullify and Cascade should be highest possible Offense and Defense

[buoyant mulch]

is core strength as strong as i've been hearing? ive been kind of interested in it

[violet saddle]

I have 6 yellow tiers with 2.2mil armor and pestilence at 115k. Its probably not the best though

[open pulsar]

48, 48 and 35, mine has 33, 58 and 55

[lone glacier]

yeah but your Utility doesn't give any bonus.

[open pulsar]

More armor less handling

[buoyant mulch]

like i was thinking of a damage setup with core strength

[open pulsar]

Its pretty good, all benefits of one core and 40% of the others

[buoyant mulch]

i guess i'll hunt for it then

[lone glacier]

Split Offensive, Consume Utility and Nullify could give you 40 WH, 12.5% Armor and 40% SD

[open pulsar]

I prioritize armor though cause I run striker, I get all the benefits of striker +33% WH and 29% armor

[lone glacier]

For Striker I run 45% mag size

[open pulsar]

I've found WH to be better to use atleast in my opinion since the st. Elmo's already has a 70 mag

[inland walrus]

I rerolled Bluescreen and got 14.8% damage, max OoC, max headshot. Keep it or keep rerolling for crit chance? I'm already at 54.3% as it stands, so I'm 99% "keep it."

[lone glacier]

less reloading, faster clears

[open pulsar]

Faster reload, faster clears

[buoyant mulch]

a compelling debate

[magic pilot]

not bad so far

[magic pilot]

chc

[devout apex]

Looking at Journey 8, never run legendary group missions before, just countdown. Is it pretty much the same idea for a build? little bit of armor buffer, bunch of DPS? I usually use a 4 red 2 blue tipping scales w/ coyote there.

[open pulsar]

Legendary is above heroic difficulty expect almost all enemies to be like the hunters in countdown

[devout apex]

No drone build then 😛

[open pulsar]

They cant take over your drones but they do a lot of damage

[junior lagoon]

They die quicker than hunters

[devout apex]

That's good at least

[subtle bluff]

let's not post KVD links without context.

[lone violet]

core strengh set up

[subtle bluff]

You can run refactor

[subtle bluff]

Cool? Nothing special....

Let me guess 2mill armor?

[runic thicket]

How do you unlock the blueprints to craft optimization materials? I have so few of them, it seems really hard to come by them

The one I needed most, I saw you earn it by killing hyena bosses. That would take forever

Maybe this is the wrong channel to ask

[pastel crane]

Any viable builds for Core Strength so far?

[uncut yarrow]

boutta make me a Ravenous build

kinda hyped

[nova ice]

What’s the best way to farm ninja bike bag and blueprint?

[broken edge]

as usual a stupid question

are there oxidizer builds?

[uncut yarrow]

thatsd the fire starter thing right?

ive seen em if so and theyre strong strong

[broken edge]

chem launcher, oxidizer is the purple gas that just deals raw damage through walls

useful to deal with enemies stuck in spawn

[uncut yarrow]

oh idk....

what does that feed off of?

status? skill? both?

[dense roost]

I know DTTOOC is the best but cmpn I feel like I have to keep this what do we think

[tulip charm]

I mean dttoc is a big damage source

[dense roost]

i have spent so many materials

[tulip charm]

It doesnt have to be perfect anyways

[dense roost]

im so tired boss

[unreal remnant]

I have two Elmo's one with DTTOC and one with DTA. I don't notice any difference in time to kill

[silent storm]

Just aim for the head. Like Thor should have in The Avengers Infinity War

[plush thistle]

is od build best with all reds? i've seen some older posts with status effect but that doesn't seem to work well

[shy willow]

Depends how you define best

They're mostly nice at different things

[coral reef]

Yes there is one in the spreadsheet

[shy willow]

They're weaker now they don't work with pummel but they still do the job

[plush thistle]

what works the best for its intended use i guess would be what i'm after i am fine with passive proc and chilling behind cover or being aggressive

[coral reef]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16CdQrxDd6U9Rxy-2vKKTZqlG1Ivsd1PteByTjen3M_I/edit?usp=drivesdk

[shy willow]

Anything more specific😭

[quiet plinth]

Does obliterate affect pesti stacks

[shy willow]

I don't think so

If you want high ticks (perfect) glass cannon is a must

[quiet plinth]

Aside from glass cannon what chest talent does?
Im not too keen on using that rn
Already pushing it with all red

[coral reef]

Trust us on this. You need PGC with the Pesti.

[quiet plinth]

That 30% is make or break for the entirety of the build?

[coral reef]

Everything adds up

[plush thistle]

i was told that it can help with the current ammo modifier as most other builds i've used i run out of ammo except when i use hot shot as it replinishes my ammo for 3 consective head shots and was looking for something to that extent which they recommend od might be closest thing so now i'm trying to attempt to build one for that reason

[shy willow]

Somewhat

You're boosting ticks and gun damage by 30 percent straight up

[quiet plinth]

Im already basically a sneeze away from death with all red as im not fully accustomed to it and throwing on +60% (iirc) damage taken doesnt help with that lol

[uncut yarrow]

just try bluescreen with it bruh

[shy willow]

It can yes

[coral reef]

Trust us on this. You need PGC with the Pesti.

[shy willow]

Though in my opinion if you just run gunner it should be enough ammo regeneration

[quiet plinth]

Yeah ik its a flat amp but with the only source of sustain being gunner aok id probably crumble rn

[shy willow]

The idea on red builds is to kill everything before you crumble, pesti makes short work of it

The high end setup with lengmo and all that is beautiful for solo play

In groups Coco does the same thing but wayyyy better

[coral reef]

Thats the point of the build, or any red build. You kill them faster than they kill you. No more 3 business days killing an elite like any blue build. You with the big dogs now

[plush thistle]

so your saying as long as i have gunner any build should be fine with the ammo modifier if so what am i doing wrong i got a tippin scales build fully maxed and a striker build 92% maxed and both use up too much ammo idk if its lack of damage or missing rounds thats the issue but both are similiar in nature as aggressive full reds

[quiet plinth]

Thats what i mean
Killing everything before that is both build+experience/execution and im not fully comfortable on the latter

[shy willow]

Fair enough

[rich cosmos]

I hate prototype gear so damn much

[shy willow]

Well tipping scales definitely won't help with ammo economy

[rich cosmos]

Grinded multiple hours, only 3 roles, none of them usable

[woeful forge]

this good enough for an aces and eights crit build?

[shy willow]

But yeah if it's really an issue just use OD

[quiet plinth]

I tried to like tipping scales 😭

But I just dont
I just really really dont like it

[uncut yarrow]

could just be me but i rock blue screen with Ongoing Directive and gunner. 200 rounds of Hollow Point per kill and pretty constant status effects around and such and such. 4 red cores, 2 blue. ran it today and if you have a guy healing a bit its freakin dope

[rich cosmos]

You really have to ask if they actually had anyone play test it outside of the test server

[shy willow]

Rn the best way is upgrading your own gear

[coral reef]

They will fold and fix it somewhat.

[shy willow]

Grinding drops from escalation is like finding a needle in a haystack in a field of haystacks

[rich cosmos]

I just don’t have the will to go through the grind the grind is miserable

[shy willow]

We have triple proficiency next week, that would be the best time

[plush thistle]

what 2 pieces did you go with and is the mostly red chc and chd? and lol ya i'm using a blue screen as we speak felt the best in terms of fit

[rich cosmos]

Yeah

[delicate field]

Can i get an opinion on this? Is there something I should change? If it’s good. What weapon should I pair it with?

[rich cosmos]

At what level does the required amount of items drop, the 200 requirement is killing me

[coral reef]

People are just doing raids, incursion for the parts, and upgrading their own. Way more efficient

[shy willow]

Wdym

Haven't even been able to finish my stuff off yet, need to grind calibration and recon data

[rich cosmos]

Theres a grind issue no one ever discusses, for leveling up, you need to hit a cap of leveled items, for example

Im expertise 9, I need 200 levels (20 items)

[shy willow]

Yea

[rich cosmos]

That shit is miserable and the fact that they didn’t even touch it 😭

[shy willow]

Like I say the triple xp makes it significantly more bearable but no matter how you cut it it's a big grind

[uncut yarrow]

This is the setup. It could certainly be better. 2 of the mods are prot from elites. And I have like 4 points in my chc, not in chd for SHD. There's a lot you can tweak to make it tankier, more dps, more CC. Its got options. Could also try Vile and a ton of Status Effects

[rich cosmos]

And even if I do wony and get another batch of shd points, Im still under 2k so I will absolutely need to do it multiple times

[shy willow]

I went up 18 levels in the last triple event so it's definitely doable

[rich cosmos]

Ill try I suppose

[shy willow]

Muling died ages ago

[rich cosmos]

What happened?

[shy willow]

When they released Brooklyn they gave us a level 40 boost and made watch points shared across all characters

[rich cosmos]

fuuuuuuuuuuck

[shy willow]

The way I did it was just buying out every vendor/crafting and mass donate

Grinding houndsman for named items, countdown for any leftovers and then spending filament

[rich cosmos]

Im betting my 200 requirement drops at 15 levels which is still just brutal

[shy willow]

It gradually goes down to like 90 eventually

But you need 30 to unlock prototype anyway so it's all the same really 😭

[rich cosmos]

Literally the only reason I want this is because I want to make my lexington strong enough to make up for damage loss on my damage healer set ups Ivebeen messing with

[rich cosmos]

I don’t care about the resource half of it its just the reaching 30 in general part that has me broken

[shy willow]

You certainly will when you see the prices 💀😭

[rich cosmos]

I just want my damage healer to be my main build

[plush thistle]

what talent does backpack have?

[uncut yarrow]

you try a bittersweet build? pretty dope

[shy willow]

I don't think it will to temper your expectations

Prototypes rn are a minor DPS boost unless you grind enough cores to make augments a pillar of your build which won't be for a long time

[rich cosmos]

I don’t like bittersweet

[uncut yarrow]

wicked

[warm lagoon]

I would use the Equalizer Chest. And the bluescreen lmg is amazing with that set

[rich cosmos]

The difference here is, I would still at minimum be getting 21% weapon damage by reaching 30

[delicate field]

Alright. Thank you!

[shy willow]

True

Just gonna have to grind it out in that event, been through it so I know the struggle😭

[rich cosmos]

Prototype plus 20% free damage all the time would sky rocket my heal builds, and I have like 4 lexingtons so Im good

[woeful forge]

which overdogs would fit better for crit builds?

[warm lagoon]

Yea Big Al lmg is good too. I just dont like sitting in cover that much lol

[shy willow]

I will add it's much much easier if you have people feeding you junk

[rich cosmos]

I’ll probably do my version with the skill repair talent

[uncut yarrow]

one on the right takes les to upgrade... i think

[shy willow]

Depending on your build it won't boost damage that much tbh😭 capacitor is the only serious dps gun for skill builds imo

[rich cosmos]

The new build actually felt pretty decent

The new gear set core strength I mean been messing with that

[uncut yarrow]

i havent actually used it yet, i saw a build today and am working on building it a bit. looks really strong and pretty fun as long as i can manage to hit headshots on controller lol

[shy willow]

It's nice if you're running yellow or blue for sure

[uncut yarrow]

idk how you get like any dmg on Core Strength. or decent survivability. i dont have all the stuff in my head so just at face value and with my first initial build it was buns

[rich cosmos]

Plus I just have extremely biased hate towards capacitor

[shy willow]

Funny tidbit as well a prototyped kard gives 2 skill tiers which opens up new avenues for skill builds

[uncut yarrow]

12 skill tier

[shy willow]

What why😭

[rich cosmos]

Unbelievably petty reason

I don’t like how small it is (i get extremely nitpicky to obsessive levels)

[uncut yarrow]

OCD

[shy willow]

ITS A BULLPUP😭

Of course it's small😭

[subtle bluff]

0.o

[languid wasp]

@woeful forge

ignore the 1886, kek.

[subtle bluff]

just have CHC at cap

[mortal jay]

hey guys, just got my first pair of overdogs! (after like 3 days of grinding) but i got kinda unlucky with the rolls because the minor attributes were maxed out but my damage attribute was like 7.6 😭 im working on leveling it up but im a tad bit confused as to exactly how it works, would anyone be willing to explain to me what it does in simple terms?

[languid wasp]

my current shd is like 2%, so imma dump everything to chc then chd

[uncut yarrow]

2%?

[languid wasp]

grind hyenas retalitation for the bp, then reconfigure it

[languid wasp]

yeah, 2% chc rn. Not surprised since i'm lvl 73 rn D:

[rich cosmos]

No I actually like bullpups, I hate specifically this one

Like the capacitor one is at the bottom of the list

[uncut yarrow]

the acog is definitely a choice on a gun like that

[shy willow]

Amped damage to the lowest ranking enemy archetypes active in the field

[mortal jay]

ohhhhhhh

[languid wasp]

basically the best gloves for dps user.

it increased my damage from 900k to 1.5m after I got that overdogs gloves

[shy willow]

Based off archetype, not veterancy so colour doesn't matter

There's a table somewhere I'll try to find it

[gaunt chasm]

where do i get the capacitor ? just do countdown or ?

[shy willow]

It comes exclusively from summit until you get your first, or you can grind the blueprint in retaliation

[rich cosmos]

I know its obvious but its hilarious seeing people put ninja bike onto core strength, like that is not the exotic you should be using

[flint arch]

is in pins

[shy willow]

Unfortunately they made the bag utterly useless

[gaunt chasm]

oh okey thank you

[rich cosmos]

I like the core strength back ngl

[flint arch]

the core strength backpack talent literally says "this does nothing"

[rich cosmos]

Triple core

[shy willow]

Ah yes here @mortal jay

[flint arch]

NBB wins solely because its backpack talent does something

[rich cosmos]

You are wasting an exotic slot

[shy willow]

NinjaBike is somehow completely unironically better in every way than the core strength bag

[plush thistle]

what 2ndary do you use?

[shy willow]

Stops you from using investor but it is quite hilarious

[rich cosmos]

Let me post why Im bringing this up one sec

[uncut yarrow]

i guess the Core back is... Ninjabike but without the benefit of buffing other brands?

[uncut yarrow]

non exotic ninjabike

[uncut yarrow]

lexington is strong. i dont think it really matters unless you can find something that plays into the statuses or whatever

[languid wasp]

where did u get that gloves from-

[flint arch]

well if you're using core strength, you're already committed to the hybrid lifestyle, so why not go all in at that point

though just please use Memento if you're going to do that

[shy willow]

Not his build but whoever made it prototyped their own murakami gloves

Can't lie seeing that makes me cry inside along with the thunder strike fal but it's okay

[languid wasp]

Oh, wait so should I use ninja backpack or Memento for better damage/armor?

[uncut yarrow]

i think it really depends if youre solo or not

[languid wasp]

ngl this looks sick for hybrid build, I might grind for one soon-

[languid wasp]

anything to survive in Tidal

[uncut yarrow]

🤷‍♂️

[flint arch]

from what I've seen core strength is chopped in PVE but absolutely broken in PVP

[shy willow]

It would be yeah with that much armour combined with weapon damage and skill efficiency

[woeful forge]

this thing unironically no diffed my merciless

[flint arch]

merciless sucks so it's not exactly the highest bar to clear

[woeful forge]

aces and eights seems to be a really nice build for rifles

[subtle bluff]

it's actually bad

RNG for more dmg..... same with breaking...

[woeful forge]

exactly why i like it

[subtle bluff]

so you mean fun.

[woeful forge]

gamble everything and let it ride

[subtle bluff]

Hey.. It's MID... I can clear a decent amount of DUA Leggo with it

[flint arch]

mid is mid

[uncut yarrow]

i just want this damn chill out mask bruh

[languid wasp]

wait so, is this count as the best hybrid build rn? ( scrap the ninja backpack )

[flint arch]

one of the three horsemen of bad div 2 advice, large language models

[woeful forge]

u doing the mini warhounds bounty? i got a lot of those from a friend who had it

[flint arch]

holy shit did it just recommend rigger and NBB at the same time 🤢

[uncut yarrow]

uh. no. do i have to get it from there? i suppose thatd make sense. guess i should look for someone for that and any other items from there

[languid wasp]

that's what I asked, I never heard people running rigger with NBB d:
Do you have any best hybrid build so I can grind for it

[flint arch]

chill out mask is a seasonal named item, you can only get it from christmas or from the warhounds

[woeful forge]

i think so? very worth it to get cause that damn mask is flexible

[uncut yarrow]

gotcha. alright i shall look at the loot pools and get me a mask, thanks gents

4th countdown in lol

[flint arch]

my best hybrid build doesn't exist so

[subtle bluff]

Rigger outright is the worse gearset

[languid wasp]

ack- what about empress-

[flint arch]

Ideally you should only use Rigger a maximum of 1 time, and that is at level 35

[shy willow]

Never ask AI for anything ever in a game😭

[uncut yarrow]

lowkey lmao AI doesnt know shit about gaming

[languid wasp]

I regret my decision

[shy willow]

Especially in a game with as many nuances as this

[flint arch]

AI pulls its info from reddit, and as we all know, reddit is well-known for reliability

oh sorry wait, reddit is full of people who will god defend ass builds and hurl insults at people who say things like "but nbb is a bad choice for pve"

[languid wasp]

wait, so what kind of gears in this build then?

at this point, I might run Foundry Bulwark

[uncut yarrow]

I mean it works lol

[outer agate]

best secondary gun talent to use for tinkerer hotshot build?

[opal mauve]

Do people actually want/need a support build and should I make one

[smoky latch]

Sure. It's always welcome

It's also a nice change of pace for yourself if you usually play DPS (or the same build of anything in general)

[opal mauve]

Ok thanks 😊

[broken garnet]

Opinions on the new interchanged named submachine gun? I tried it out and i lowkey really like it

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs is better than Tinkerer hotshot. 2nd MMR should be something that can deal with not have deteremine or HH stacks.

[smoky latch]

That talent seems pretty good on a secondary

I haven't tried the perfect version yet

[outer agate]

it is?

[soft crane]

The most common support builds are Refactor, Ongoing Directive, Future Initiative, and Eclipse Protocol.

I suppose Ongoing Directive is mostly DPS but you still support your team with hollow point rounds either way.

[smoky latch]

Yup

[hazy steeple]

I always recommend a "Red FI" setup if you want something a little weirder.

Future Inititive, but red-ish. There's a guide for it in the spreadsheet.

[soft crane]

I suppose all hybrid builds are just weird?

[hazy steeple]

Also called the "harmacist".

[outer agate]

do you have an example build

[soft crane]

Closest thing to hybrid build that I got is Striker hazpro.

[smoky latch]

Search for "HotDog" in here

[outer agate]

why use 2 mmrs lol

[shy willow]

Weapons are whatever

[smoky latch]

Yeah it's preference. Can also run an 1886

[shy willow]

Any MMR works as long as you're hitting the breakpoints you need

[outer agate]

so why is hotdogs better than tinkerers hotshot

[smoky latch]

Cuz -dogs

[outer agate]

what

[smoky latch]

I waited a bit to let you think about it. Got it?

[outer agate]

its overdogs its only a 30% dmg buff

[smoky latch]

It's an AMP damage increase

[outer agate]

how does tht differ

[smoky latch]

It's not additive in the damage calculation

[hazy steeple]

(use smaller words)

[shy willow]

It's a unique multiplier, not additive to any other buff

(talent give big number)

[outer agate]

so how much more dmg is it

[smoky latch]

x30%

I can't give you an exact number in comparison to what you did there with Tinkerer

[shy willow]

Depends what talent you're using on your second gun

[smoky latch]

But you can be sure that Overdogs' damage is higher

[outer agate]

how many times does it get multiplied

[shy willow]

?

[outer agate]

its x30% does it get multiplied once?

[smoky latch]

Yes

[hazy steeple]

Think of it like this.
Which is higher: 5+10, or 5x10?

[outer agate]

fair

i kno im not that smart lol

[hazy steeple]

Nah you're all good, it took me way too long to fully process what it meant too.
You're going way faster than I did.

[outer agate]

so i would still shoot the red or lower enemy first?

[flint arch]

overdogs doesn't care about enemy veterancy (red, purple, yellow), just the archetypes

[willow sigil]

can someone teach me how to build refractor?

[flint arch]

refractor does not exist in the game

[hazy steeple]

It's right next to Arialdi.

[flint arch]

Hasburg

[willow sigil]

3 different ways i only need 1 way

[flint arch]

you pick one

[viral veldt]

for a regular striker AR build better to go mag size or armor for modifier?

[shy willow]

Completely up to you

[outer agate]

its gonna be a struggle to remember the enemy tiers

[shy willow]

I use headshot damage in escalation and countdown but handling everywhere else

[flint arch]

you don't really have to adhere to the effect that much

you only really need to know the tier 3 enemies in my experience

[willow sigil]

whats the difference between those 3 and this?

[outer agate]

which says any other enemy or skill proxy lol do i shoot the enemies in tier 1 or 3 lol

[flint arch]

this one will let you heal and nothing else
the others will let you do damage and heal

[hexed steppe]

you could also just use impetus chest, force multiplier bag, and 4 pc refactor, all skill damage rolled. refactor is a pretty hard build to mess up tbh

[flint arch]

@outer agate lowest to highest: tier 3 enemies, then tier 2, and then tier 1

[willow sigil]

i do some research

[hexed steppe]

using chest and bag talents nets you more damage on your skills

[willow sigil]

and then drone should just never let anyone die right?

[viral veldt]

yeah im not held up on reload speed and im running headshot rn with elmos but maybe i just dump mag size, back to experimenting

[hexed steppe]

your heals are based on skills damaging. better damage, better heals

[solar prairie]

Whats a good talent, universal talent to put on the lexington before I prototype it?

[willow sigil]

yeah ill give that a shot, you say roll skill damage? do i put haste in there anywhere?

[shy willow]

Measured is great

[hexed steppe]

you wont need i dont think, which is why the other suggested builds had crit rolled. with such long lasting skille you can just decon one early if needed to offset downtime and always have a skill active

[willow sigil]

i cant find impetus in the spreadsheet, what is it?

[hexed steppe]

target wyvern,

its wyvern named chest

[willow sigil]

oh so no exotic?

[hexed steppe]

nope]

[shy willow]

Exotics are very limited for skill builds

Investor does look quite good if you get a decent roll though

[outer agate]

which mmr would you recommend? ive been using the sr-1 and can one tap a yellows armor and half the hp

[flint arch]

white death, mantis, shroud

[outer agate]

ah well mantis and shroud cant use determined

[hexed steppe]

you can also use glass chest. if you are tier 6 from the gear like this one is, you can use any spec... i personally like tech support for the faraday field perk that can keep you or turret from being disrupted

[flint arch]

[outer agate]

the hotdogs build uses determined

[shy willow]

^

[hexed steppe]

only if youre a lame

[flint arch]

determined is the "i can't aim" talent

[hexed steppe]

determined gets old real quick

[flint arch]

it does nothing except as a massive crutch for your aim

[outer agate]

i mainly use it for fast farming lol

[hexed steppe]

solo its fine

[willow sigil]

what is this glass chest?

[flint arch]

try mantis. decoy gives more leeway to screw up

[hexed steppe]

i like mantis over all else tho. qol with the decoy and its hard hitting too

[hexed steppe]

sacrifice named chest, or wyvern chest with glass cannon

[outer agate]

i do like mantis

[willow sigil]

that is more optimal than impetus?

[outer agate]

so i wouldnt be using determined with this build then

[flint arch]

i mean you can, nobody is stopping you
you won't be able to train your aim though

[outer agate]

my aim is fine lol

[flint arch]

also people will call you a pleb but i assume that's not a problem

[outer agate]

thts their prob lmao

[hexed steppe]

and troll you with mortars

[flint arch]

no more mortars

[hexed steppe]

[outer agate]

how would they troll with mortars

[flint arch]

shake your screen like hell

[outer agate]

who would

[hexed steppe]

ig no one if you are solo

[outer agate]

i dont game with randoms lol

i farm with friends

plus i alrdy have a hot dogs build with shroud hence why i am doing determined with it

[hexed steppe]

292k turret damage with wyvern glass
295k turret damage with sacrifice (perfect glass)
331k turret damage with impetus

glass doesnt lose stacks tho, always on and extra incoming damage. i would say they are on par with eachother since there is tradeoff

[willow sigil]

yeah i like this impetus force multi, im going to try to farm this

[junior lagoon]

refactor ?

[subtle bluff]

But also PGC improves your WD DPS but a lot too.

Which if you're not shooting then your missing out on even more Skill DMG.

[willow sigil]

also for these, are the only way to get these by just getting bps out of the 698 bps and hopes it drops?

[junior lagoon]

so i did saturate utility-cascade and convert 2 offense (magazine) taht gave me 43 magazine size and 21.5 armor. anyone has a higher number? probably there must be

[brave sierra]

For st elmos, gunner is essential(even though i struggle with quests and hope for a replacement) is the stiker parts essential or can i make a temporary build that has a similar effect that isnt striker, and if so, what is the next best thing?

And can i use demo if i cant use gunner, thanks to whover answers me

[flint arch]

you can go all in on any offense stat with (in order)
Saturate (Defense) Invert (Offense) Convert 1/2 (Offense)

alternatively, you can have a higher offense stat w/ reasonable defense and utility stacks, but you can only use weapon handling
Compress (Offense) Split (Offense) Nullify

[subtle bluff]

essential???

You don't need to do a quest to put level up Gunner. Unless something changed over the last year that I just missed

[sweet moon]

Is the new gear set worth using, or should I stick with my beloved Tipping Scales?

[junior lagoon]

so if i do your first one with utility i get 45 magazine and 10 percent armor

45-10 vs 43-21

headshot and skill builds are real benefiters here

EB great again?

[smoky latch]

I'd rather pick handling for EB

[flint arch]

EB handling is kinda ass

[hexed steppe]

im so lost on the modifiers atm

[junior lagoon]

is there a way to see if enemies are within distance of black pulse?

[flint arch]

also going for HSD makes every weapon bighorn

[smoky latch]

I feel that

[flint arch]

EB now feels usuable for the next 12 weeks

[smoky latch]

IDK how much HSD you can gain with the modifiers but handling wise for sure

[flint arch]

135%

Saturate (Defense/Utility) Invert (Offense) Convert 1 (Offense)

[smoky latch]

Holy shit

That opens up "new" ways for several builds

[brave sierra]

I was talking about the unlock quests, to activate it in the first place

[smoky latch]

Is Discord shitting itself again? Took like 30 seconds to load this image lol

[smoky latch]

Lol

[subtle bluff]

It's the slow chat they increased here.

[flint arch]

I have 223% HSD with PVGC Striker and 45 offense stacks focusing on HSD

[subtle bluff]

it was 10s now 15s so it lags up with fowarding.

oh modifiers

[woeful zodiac]

What are the best modifiers I can use for a Tempest build?
Or atleast all run n gun builds

[mystic hemlock]

2 millones armor
200 k dmg
6 skill tier
Omg this is sooo op

[subtle bluff]

the 6th time I've seen 2 mill armor build post today..

Why do people think this is special.... This is all CS can do but in the end doesn't nothing well.

[mystic hemlock]

I hate this gear set

[smoky latch]

On Reddit much more frequent

[subtle bluff]

I hate how many people post the same thing like it's new. Then again it's why I call it great clickbait gearset.

[mystic hemlock]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

💥

[smoky latch]

Seen on YT I bet

[flint arch]

if this is PVP then there is an argument to be made
if this is PVE then it's garbage

[smoky latch]

Maybe 2x armor core for PvP

[mystic hemlock]

Never very very bad idea

[plush thistle]

what build will work for master solo play on mission manager?

[buoyant perch]

blue striker memento

[plush thistle]

how do i make striker blue is that part of new update?

or you mean blue cores?

[subtle bluff]

Semi blue?

[buoyant perch]

recalibrate to blue cores

[subtle bluff]

Striker Memento.
Any amount of blue cores you think is good.

[plush thistle]

ah blue cores so make striker pure blue for all? and what about mods protection from elite?

[buoyant perch]

if you are skillfull enough, perfect glass cannon striker 🔥
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YHiuD78XX4&t=3s

[plush thistle]

ill pass on being perfect ill stick with equalizer lol

what is that 2ndary he is using is that a famas?

[subtle bluff]

Do what feel right..

the build is only a 1/3 of what you need to bring to solo stuff above heroics.

[viral veldt]

if i wanted to have fun with the eagle bearer with modifiers for heroic just run either a strikers bighorn or heartbreaker works?

[plush thistle]

well i can do heroic easily enough its just this master mission is like difficult to say the least only want to get access to tinkerer i dont normally do raids so im assuming this is border line similiar in essecene

[subtle bluff]

HENCE I said ABOVE heroic...

[plush thistle]

i know i was just clarifying why i was asking i'm not really good with this build business as one could probably tell by some of my silly questions

[subtle bluff]

Even the video above the build is just demo of doing something else that isn't "meta"

But showing gameplay and knowledge is covering the build.

[edgy merlin]

I got a white death with max marksman rifle dmg and hsd, and then with a 7.5% chc, what should i replace it with? Max chc or something else?

[plush thistle]

he is using 4 weapons though which is a bit much for me personally

[subtle bluff]

Just find a group for it.

[plush thistle]

i'd do acc so you can get your shots up faster after moving or rotating as chc and chd isn't really worth it as your doing head shot damage not crits unless you have some weird hybrid

[plush thistle]

i put a couple messages in and tried doin a group find for a while now so just started trying mashing builds up as of now instead sense haven't had any success

[subtle bluff]

Go the community server and LFG there you'll get better luck.

[subtle bluff]

Weapons are aways DTTooC.

[coral reef]

[rain prairie]

What builds are y'all looking for when it comes to these BT retals? I want to make sure I'm on point for group dynamics.

[viral veldt]

3 blue/2 red memento striker is good enough tbh

[solar sable]

I go EP Foam while applying Opp, the rest of the team goes DPS or OD

[rain prairie]

I have a set like that, guess whomever I joined up on wasn't feeling it.

[subtle bluff]

I still need to go solo a BT retal to see it.

[rain prairie]

I want to get the AC perfectly wicked BP for my OD but it's refusing to drop with good rolled stats

[hexed steppe]

so wait, do we get core strength blueprints?

nvm, this set is bad

[subtle bluff]

AC?

[rain prairie]

Anarchist's Cookbook

[hallow jungle]

Anything to change?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska Wicked is gonna be a much better value.

[worn elbow]

@eager cosmos sorry for the @ but here’s my heartbreaker setup

Sometimes I switch the ceska mask for groupo mask for little bit more crit damage

[solar sable]

dont sacrifice CHC for CHD if ceska is keeping it within range

[worn elbow]

I think I do have over 52% crit chance with both mask

[hexed steppe]

what are the specific crit stats for both variations?

[worn elbow]

Still got 60% crit chance with 105 crit damage with groupo

[harsh sable]

do i need to go to brooklyn to find these or where/how do i get them?

[solar sable]

cleaners bosses

[worn elbow]

That’s cleaners go kill them or do the retal there

[solar sable]

cleaners are in NY

[harsh sable]

is it in brooklyn or new york?

[hexed steppe]

cleaners in wony

[worn elbow]

Ye New York

[worn elbow]

Doomz if I use groupo mask I get 1% crit damage and if I use ceska I lose that 1% lmao so I’ll stick with ceska from now on

[hexed steppe]

so youre 60/105 with grupo?

[hexed steppe]

is there a chance you are over crit?

[hazy hull]

Any good pve ravenous build's or is the gun too niche

[worn elbow]

Like I should be at 55

With groupo

[hexed steppe]

youre telling my you are at 60/105 with grupo

[eager cosmos]

Love it, I have to use memento tho

Or something cause I dont have those gloves

[frosty wolf]

I know main weapon shotgun builds aren't meta, but has anything majorly changed for them recently or is it still just HF set plus extras?

[worn elbow]

2min and I’ll send a memento setup

[worn elbow]

I’m gonna re do the build again to test it

Not farming but remove the mods and putting them back again

[hexed steppe]

i may be off, but i think you might be able to run ceska and shift 2 rolls from chc to chd, and just run at 56chc

[worn elbow]

This time 55% crit chance with 117.7 crit damage

With groupo

With ceska and a swapped crit chc gear mod to crit damage gear mod
I’m at 58% chance with 116% damage

[worn elbow]

Pyrena use ceska mask and memento
Heartbreaker chest glove knee holster

[dense roost]

Holy random drop batman

[eager cosmos]

Can do. Do you do legendary missions with this set up?

[hexed steppe]

ceska is gonna yield higher dps if those are the actual numbers

[worn elbow]

Honestly I mainly use striker for those situations

[worn elbow]

Ceska variant

[eager cosmos]

Id love to see that too!

[worn elbow]

Want me to send the striker build you mean?

[eager cosmos]

Yeah

[hexed steppe]

heartbreaker is crit starved.

pretty much always need ceska

[worn elbow]

Yep it’s the same as this one

[hexed steppe]

im actually surprised youre not using ceska vigilance here

[worn elbow]

Pyrena use the setup that mrchow send

[eager cosmos]

Since I dont have thr gloves. Coyote or memento?

[worn elbow]

It works tried it but I like the fast stacking

[eager cosmos]

Or something else

[gentle lichen]

Memento if you want a comfy experience and coyote if in a group and for higher dps

[eager cosmos]

Gonna try HB with the ceska and this striker set out. Thank you

[worn elbow]

Have a great day

[fair ether]

Does Blacklisters work with skills?

[subtle bluff]

Anything that does dmg.

[grizzled loom]

Best build for nemesis?

[hazy steeple]

Do you mean the Nemesis MMR, or to fight the Nemesis enemy within Descent?

[grizzled loom]

mmr

[languid wasp]

Is Foundry Bulwark with Catharsis good or Memento just slaps

[flint arch]

It will work, but only up to Heroic, and you'll take an hour or two to clear a mission

[languid wasp]

Damn, is there any possible tanky build that can survive in Legendary then?

[solar sable]

nope

[languid wasp]

Welp, I guess that's fair.

[solar sable]

someone pull THAT ONE vid up

[solar sable]

alright found it
#td2-build-advice message

[languid wasp]

wow, nvm.

[cosmic inlet]

any recommend healer build ?

[hexed steppe]

refactor if you want to do damage while healing, future initiative if you want to heal and buff damage , more team support

[woeful zodiac]

Anyone have a good high end Tempest build?

[hazy steeple]

@woeful zodiac It's still valid for now, there's an iKia setup that works great with it.
"tempest techtank".

[smoky latch]

If you play aggressive try this:
#td2-build-advice message

[silver coral]

is the 4th set of striker important?

[solar sable]

yes

why do u ask? please dont answer ninjabike...

[silver coral]

i would like to use it but then again i realize i cant replace overdog

[solar sable]

you lose more with nbb

[silver coral]

yea overdog is good for dps

only thing i can think of is replacing equalizer with that turmoil but then i dont have it rip

[flint arch]

turmoil cuts your single-target damage in half

if you want to damage multiple enemies at once, you're much better off using Negotiator

[silver coral]

i guess its only good on LMG like big al

[fleet jasper]

what is a easy starter build to go for?

[flint arch]

no, any fast-firing weapon will work

[silver coral]

i wanna use salvo on elmo but then i will lose damage

[flint arch]

you can do funny things with nego + overdogs

if you mark a tier 1 enemy and then shoot a tier 3 enemy, the tier 1 enemy will get the 30% amp from overdogs

[flint arch]

striker

[fleet jasper]

what should i match it with?

go full striker or no?

[flint arch]

the guide i linked tells you everything

[fleet jasper]

oh i didnt notice you linked something ty

[silver coral]

can i ask why is CHC better than armor damage on LMG doesnt armor does more damage than CHC and you can still get more chc on gear and mods

[flint arch]

chc on lmg means you can invest more into chd on your gear

also there are some enemies that will not benefit from DTA, like chungas, warhounds, minitanks, marauders, as well as every red enemy in existence

armor plates are not armor, armor plates scale with damage to health, not DTA, i don't know why the game treats armor plates like health but it does

[silver coral]

oh ic ic, i didnt knew that

but on lmg i can still get crit damage right?

[flint arch]

yes, the 3rd stat can be anything that isn't what the 2nd stat already is, but chd will be less optimal overall

[quaint crown]

Hello all. Does anyone have any suggestions for a build that works well solo and in groups?

[flint arch]

striker

[quaint crown]

Thank you.

[woeful zodiac]

Anything but Striker 🙏🏼

[hazy steeple]

That wouldn't be a HE build, as requested.

[ornate tendon]

Does anyone happen to have a current skill build please. Around revive hive and drone ? Seemed to have lost mine to the void. Thank you in advance

[zenith plover]

how do i get the blueprint to craft the wyvern brand set?

[fair ridge]

what's the current heartbreaker setup? blue one preferably. in the doc there's a red version

[subtle bluff]

Which drone?

[subtle bluff]

RNG from completing missions and CPs

[subtle bluff]

Use the on in doc just go 4b and 2r.
You can swap in memento with the same idea.

[ornate tendon]

just striker

[subtle bluff]

Wait what are you doing with Rez hive and Striker drone?

[ornate tendon]

tbh i have no idea never really used a skills build, saw a template for skills build but was 4 years old that used rez hive and the striker drone, hence why i was looking for help in the build department

[fair ridge]

it's kinda outdated there, is it still coyote over overdogs?

[subtle bluff]

Hence what I just said.... You can do overdogs too.

[subtle bluff]

Why would use a skiil build and have a dead slot with Rez hive?

[bold forum]

if i want a " run and gun " build that does good damage right away ( like no need to stack for 40s before doing damage ) what do you recommend , was thinking going on a lmg ongoing directive build

[strong cave]

Coyote/Memento/Overdogs are all great exotics to recommend. Depends on which you get first is what you should use. After that, if you get all of those mentioned exotics, it's up to you to find which you like best

[strong cave]

That would be perfect to use

[bold forum]

i dont remember the build tho i just know its ongoing directive + blue screen usually , but i dont remember on top of my head the other gear item xd

[subtle bluff]

No build needs to stack up for 40s.....

[bold forum]

i mean like striker with coyote going up to 200 stack take a lil bit

and you cant uptime it 100% always loosing stack in perma

[lone glacier]

You dont take Striker Chest for non raid/Incursion

[lone glacier]

Man I really need to finish my Tinkerer OD

[subtle bluff]

You don't need all stacks to do good dmg. As shown above.

[bold forum]

yeah i know the overdogs/equalizer dont need much stack for damage , but dont have overdogs yet for that variant

did over 50+ kill squad hyenas in heroic , no overdogs yet xd

[subtle bluff]

You don't need overdogs.
The other build is OD.

[bold forum]

i'm playing both solo and group tho, mostly in group because content are group usually so i'm thinking going for od overdogs/backpack if i can get those

thinking of tinkerer tho with a gr9 frenzy with subweapon killer

[fair dragon]

@hexed steppe Mortar supremacy

[bold lance]

Returning player here. Used to only be 1 healer support build. Now there’s so many. What is best support build to go for

[fair dragon]

depends on the situation.

[soft crane]

Support as in what? Damage or Heal?

[fair dragon]

healer or CC or DPS

[soft crane]

oh yeah forgot about CC

[fair dragon]

for Healer/DPS there's Refactor, for DPS support there's OD, for CC there's Eclipse foam

[soft crane]

DPS support is just Ongoing Directive or is there a better one?

Ah ok.

Theres also Future Initiative for Heal.

[fair dragon]

FI > Refactor as well

[soft crane]

I got them all the builds hhhhhhhhhhh

@bold lance Look it up yourself.

[subtle bluff]

Plz stop. Showing these. A lot of these aren't good. Yes they work but really aren't good.

[soft crane]

Can you at least explain why they arent good?

And what is good according to you?

[subtle bluff]

If you go to the Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub, then look around and you'll find a ton of guides and pics for builds.

[soft crane]

Yeah?

[subtle bluff]

you want the list of bad or what they need ?

[soft crane]

Yeah why not.

[soft crane]

I live by the "Theres always room for improvement" rule.

[subtle bluff]

FI support isn't just healer. Here's this for that.

[soft crane]

What else?

[soft crane]

I literally just need to switch the backpack and thats it.

[soft crane]

I dont use Refactor.

[subtle bluff]

No your weapons are VERY poor choices.

[soft crane]

I can do the same with weapons too relax.

[gusty iris]

need some help, i am running striker build, overdogs gloves and salvo holster.

but my damage feels very low- cant do much above tier 2 escalation-

[soft crane]

Salvo holster?

[subtle bluff]

You can't give out another 20%, 15% and 15% AMP buff.

[gusty iris]

unit alloy salvo holsters

[gusty iris]

so i be doing it wrong?

[soft crane]

Anything else for me?

[subtle bluff]

And funny enough Refactor is gonna do more dmg overall than your build.

[soft crane]

My healer build?

[subtle bluff]

No skill build.

[ivory abyss]

I can assure you if you use that picture for your striker build you can do more than t2 escalation

I got to t6 no prototype with just that build

[soft crane]

Okay so whats your recommendation for general skill build?

[ivory abyss]

Also completed t6 I should add

[soft crane]

For the record, my skill damage build is really, really, old. Back when Refactor doesnt even exist yet.

Anyway yeah Im open to suggestion.

[subtle bluff]

You both weapons on your striker are poor choices too. I mean you can use sheriff as a secondary just fine but nevg LMG isn't great LMG mainly due to it's slow RPM for build striker stacks.

You have NBB with Backire for Ceska. A good striker build with Killer will out dmg that and go faster.

On TS build using TS Chest isn't great for vs using Equalizer chest it the same reason why striker chest is bad.

[subtle bluff]

Then why show it off and suggest others to use it?

[worn imp]

Hey Chow, am I allowed to be a NinjaBike goober? Cause i honestly think it could work now with a capacitor all skill tiers core strength build!

[subtle bluff]

One min let me finish this.

[soft crane]

Thought its still good even after all these years.

[soft crane]

That NBB with Ceska and Cavalier is my Striker Hazpro build.

[flint arch]

I forbid you to be a NinjaBike goober

[subtle bluff]

TU22 changed a lot of things.

[worn imp]

This is disgusatingly nice amounts of damage, im sensing

[flint arch]

(something like that would probably work in PVP btw, but PVE is ehhhhhhh)

[worn imp]

😭 BUT CORE STRENGTH MEMES!

[subtle bluff]

Ya I can see getting up to 15mill with that amount.

[worn imp]

what does prototype gear do with skill tiers? how are they buffed?

[subtle bluff]

Trying to use Striker Chest on BF is very slow to build up.

[mild dawn]

if youre going to share builds share what theyre supposed to be and not whatever mid builds you settled for because "Theres always room for improvement"

[soft crane]

Best i got is M249 and I cant seem to find godrolled GR9

Anyway gotta go. I'll be back later.

[subtle bluff]

Again the point here showing off builds to try to help players when your buids aren't very good

When we have guides out you can point to and you've seen.

[subtle bluff]

With some of this CS stuff I guesss. Since it's actualy better than CS BP.
I just don't care much for CS for PvE.

[worn imp]

How dare you not ping me? I share the mortar throne with Local! (joke)

[subtle bluff]

Penguin and the old guy share 2 sides to the mortar.

[fair dragon]

13.7 mil with Capacitor and max module stacks

[ivory abyss]

If I am reading the talents correctly. Chameleon if you just hit headshots basically is just like having a better vector with a better killer talent?

[worn imp]

u could technically get more by ditching brazos and instead running skill DMG unicorn sacrifice with something else to replace the 2nd brazos.

[subtle bluff]

Penguin was thinking for Escalation to try mortar and resto hive to help with healing and getting guys out of cover. What are your thought?

[flint arch]

kinda but it can be annoying to proc sometimes

[subtle bluff]

Body proc is a lot more. It's actually very strong.

[flint arch]

also that

[ivory abyss]

So if you just do body shots it’s more damage?

[subtle bluff]

Thing of not having all reds build then having all reds. (not really but close)

[fair dragon]

you'd have fucl-all heals

[subtle bluff]

Very true but better than nothing

[ivory abyss]

NBS posted his black tusk retaliation build. It’s salvo HB tech tank style with chameleon. I’m assuming he’s making up the lack of damage with the talent

[flint arch]

you know all of this made me realize a big part of Escalation strats apparently involves forcing the enemies out of cover, that's usually not something that would be considered "extremely important" in Legendary

[fair dragon]

need a skill to cover my ass when turret is in cooldown

[worn imp]

My core strength NinjaBike PvE build.@subtle bluff Imagine that the kneepads are actually core strength. Ive barely farmed the gear set so ive just got this going so far.

[flint arch]

because enemies on leggo already try to rush you all the time

[subtle bluff]

Idk trying to think outside of the box for support since the standard isn't has effectives

[subtle bluff]

Ya.... I was thinking about that too as another issue.

[worn imp]

Only like 1% over cap or something, and ofc i would have like 12% more if knees were right

[fair dragon]

I'm not one to run builds that cater to different purposes either

[subtle bluff]

My weird HW was doing some good work for T7

[subtle bluff]

I don't mess nor again tbh care about CS builds.

[worn imp]

I know but if you did theoretically....

[fair dragon]

tried that. the lack of a skill tier really hurts. just 9 charges per deployment. also it has higher base damage but lower max buffed damage

[subtle bluff]

I've seen enough CS build and saying they have 2mill armor "OMG IT'S SO STRONG" clickbait

[worn imp]

yeah was gonna say the utility value lost from the skill tier sucks

[worn imp]

hahahaha

[subtle bluff]

Only thing I'm gonna do is remake my mortar buid for conflict...

[fair dragon]

until you ask them "armor for what?"

[worn imp]

But correct me if im wrong but ill legit get more weapon damage out of this build by running skill tiers?? lmfao

[fair dragon]

only for the capacitor, due to its talent

[worn imp]

ye thats like.... the entire idea with the build

Cant ninjabike rival running memento for core strength because of this setup with capacitor??

I get 30% weapon damage extra cause ninjabike, about how much i get without memento pickup buff but with max stacks that last 5 mins

the real reason im even running ninjabike is cause hollow man mask and itqs health damage. New amplifier for capacitor so its chefs kiss

[ivory abyss]

Okay so only thing I’m confused about is. How he is getting this high of damage on headshots lol. From what I can tell the talent isn’t active on the gun right? Diamonds should be orange? And he doesn’t have headshot modifier on. And heartbreaker salvo tech tank lacks in crit damage vs without salvo.

[worn imp]

He got the memento token pickup buff also? idk

[ivory abyss]

Yes that also but it brings it that high?

[worn imp]

idk how many red cores he is running so couldnt tell ya

[ivory abyss]

He has I think like 3 red cores

[worn imp]

hmmm.... idk mangz

[ivory abyss]

And his mods are PFE lol

[worn imp]

dafuk? lol

[flint arch]

Seasonal modifiers, most likely.
Saturate (Defense/Utility) Swap (Offense) Convert 1 (Offense) in order gives you like 120%+ HSD

[worn imp]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[flint arch]

Basically turns every weapon into Bighorn where it rewards you massively for headshots

[ivory abyss]

He’s using defense modifier

[flint arch]

weapon handling?

[ivory abyss]

Yep

[flint arch]

the hexagons are gray when the buffs are active, that should be why

[ivory abyss]

OH okay then I am confused that’s why

That’s actually pretty insane chameleon hits like that. Because the HB set he’s using lacks a little bit crit damage vs normal HB with ceska

[worn imp]

😵‍💫

[ivory abyss]

Although his salvo rolled with 7.5 rate of fire lol

2 red cores lol

[flint arch]

oh boy its NBS

[ivory abyss]

Yeah lol I didn’t know chameleon did damage like that

Everyone rags on the gun usually lol

[flint arch]

it's not bad, but it's also kinda situational

[ivory abyss]

So the talent also says. Refreshes when out of combat. I’m assuming that means the 45s timer restarts when combat is over? Giving you time to have the buff for next fight

[flint arch]

The timer restarts and remains paused until combat starts again, but if you swap weapons you lose the buffs

[ivory abyss]

Oh okay that’s actually kind of cool

[flint arch]

not really, it means I can't pull out my Quickstep or I lose the buffs

[ivory abyss]

That is true lol

[subtle bluff]

Cham is top 10 for overall burst DPS

top 3 something for AR

[restive walrus]

is this build good beside low percent crit hit chance?

[flint arch]

but it definitely doesn't have AR level handling

[ivory abyss]

Good to know! Because for tech tank builds since you are usually close most the time. I feel chameleon is a good weapon of choice

[subtle bluff]

the issues is if the fight goes longer than 45s your kind of boned afterwards

[ivory abyss]

Does it not refresh every 30 headshots?

Or body shots etc.

[flint arch]

No, they only count after the buffs expire

[ivory abyss]

Ah okay

[flint arch]

also im kinda confused, since you're already in the enemy's face, headshots are really easy to pull off, so why not dump all of the stacks towards HSD and kill enemies faster

sorry if I worded it badly, that wasn't directed towards you, just wasn't sure how to convey this point

[restive walrus]

when the gloves optimized, crit chance will go up

[ivory abyss]

I was also thinking that myself. I might actually try doing that instead of his modifiers. I’m assuming he wants the total armor for survivability

But if you kill them fast you don’t have to worry lol

[flint arch]

[ivory abyss]

I’ve been enjoying the mag size buff lol Elmo’s with like 107 bullets

[soft crane]

Im back. I just ate dinner.

Where was i? Or where were we?

[subtle bluff]

Again the point here showing off builds to try to help players when your buiLds aren't very good or you say are out dated, vs just pointing to the guides.

[flint hearth]

Whats the current best healer build ?

[soft crane]

@flint hearth

[subtle bluff]

FI (Future initiative)

[soft crane]

I see. I guess I was just overproud of what I've achieved.

[flint hearth]

Thank you

[soft crane]

Oh yeah right I forgot that I used Negev because the talent is Strained. With Negev, I have more uptime at max stack strained when firing. I can hit up to 1M per shot with it for like almost 100 rounds for max stack Strained.

[subtle bluff]

My clip I posted way up there shows doing better than and quicker than that.

[soft crane]

what are the weapon and talent?

[subtle bluff]

I just made quick showcase with no watch and not optimize gear and showing just base builds with some stuff what it can do.

[subtle bluff]

It's all in the clip. It's show it in the start.

[soft crane]

This?

[subtle bluff]

this

[soft crane]

Oh wait nvm

What about when in group? Killer is mostly for solo.

[normal shadow]

What was the alternative backpack used for a BTSU FI healer, if the Setup isn't available?

[subtle bluff]

anything with the opp talent

[subtle bluff]

read the title of the post

[subtle bluff]

The guide there explain well too.

[normal shadow]

Opportunistic?

[soft crane]

yeh

So for the Future Initiative build its not just "Healer" build but rather actual "Healer Support" build because you make your enemies take more damage.

interesting

Lets see if I can change the talent for my Alps Summit backpack to Opportunistic

Yay I can.

[dapper glacier]

i can see why some say is cheesy. I'm having so much fun 💀 💀

[restive walrus]

.

[subtle bluff]

Yes it’s fine.

[restive walrus]

thanks a lot

[soft crane]

Funnily enough I dont have Opportunistic in my library for my Future Initiative build but I suppose that can wait. Just need to work on something with what I currently have.

[willow sigil]

these groups that are running 300 retals, how are they managing their inven through it, is there a trick?

[flint arch]

know what exactly you're looking for or what to expect. memorize what such an item would look like in the inventory. glance at every item you pick up, immediately trash everything that isn't what you need

it just becomes second nature at some point

[willow sigil]

so you guys are looking at the items on the ground before you even pick it up?

[copper holly]

What augement you guys think is best for a lexinghton

Ive got amalgam on it right now but do you think theres a better one

[subtle bluff]

Farming your library is rather good to do so you can build anything else you want easier.

[soft crane]

At some point I became lazy yeah

[subtle bluff]

Mostly my inventory sit around 136-141…. Too many loudouts.

[flint arch]

yes

[subtle bluff]

What does the 300 mean?

[willow sigil]

the back to back 3x retals

[subtle bluff]

300 for 3x…. Got it..

God new players with these more complicated way of saying stuff…

[willow sigil]

i copy gen chat

[subtle bluff]

Why would any say Olympus Glove…..

[willow sigil]

i cant do that yet i dont think i still need to fill out my lib

[flint arch]

mark everything as junk and open the tinkering station after finishing each control point

oh wait it's the library, welp in which case sucks to be you i guess because the devs decided to put a long-ass animation just to save a stat to the library

[willow sigil]

i thought id have my lib maxed by now but im not even close

[copper holly]

Echo or amalgam on lexighton guys?

[subtle bluff]

amalgam?

[subtle bluff]

oh... pretty sure it's echo

[copper holly]

Ok

So im cooked haha these protoypes are a pain costs 2 to reroll

[subtle bluff]

welcome to the dumb prototyping.

[sinful tinsel]

istg they said it costed 1

or am i hearing things

[copper holly]

Nope two to reroll the augment

[sinful tinsel]

the expertise 30 requirement is stupid as well

[misty walrus]

Kinda ass

[copper holly]

Yep would only makes sense if it was easier to get the prototypes

[misty walrus]

Either increase the drop rate or let us optimise the stats

[copper holly]

^ facts

[sinful tinsel]

buzzing just hit expertise 5 time for tier 10 escalation

also got black tusk tactical assessment blueprint before as well so lucky

[flint arch]

the cost actually increases per reroll

[hexed steppe]

the fire eclipse without overdogs is a miss. dogs>vile
edit * if this is cc eclipse, should have either creeping death or opportunistic

ninja striker backfire is a miss, you dont need hazpro when you gain immunity by maintaining stack level or after a few short bleeds.

[copper holly]

What no way no point rerolling then

[hexed steppe]

the way forward eh . i need to look up all the possible options with prototypes

[subtle bluff]

Oops

[bold lance]

How’s the core strength build. Seeing a lot of click bait vids on YT. Is it all armour and no damage? 😂

[flint arch]

hi is this good for solo legendary

[prime urchin]

holy shit

u got a million armor pieces

[flint arch]

I've heard that it's busted in PVP but bad in PVE

[subtle bluff]

Bonus armor cap

[urban latch]

Massive bullet sponge enemies is what the community has been demanding we get more of for yours right?

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much... But they're heroic Ai.

[flint arch]

Reminds me of gear 1.0 when your armor bar always looked like a barcode

[subtle bluff]

No idea. Before my time.

[flint arch]

i'm more of a vet than mr chow? impossible

[subtle bluff]

I'm rather new in sense. I only seriously started playing in TU22.

Wait TU20 ish.

[flint arch]

back then i remember being extremely unnerved by how the armor bars looked a lot thicker right after gear 2.0 came out

[subtle bluff]

Funny enough I've been seeing more LFG calling out for high SHD or builds when grouping at higher teirs have a hard requriment ok build wise.

[flint arch]

armor bars for DPS users in gear 1.0 looked like the 6 blue cores of today

[subtle bluff]

@flint arch btw raucey liked your doc too.

[flint arch]

impossible

[mint axle]

Armor builds were product bar code back then.

[subtle bluff]

He lurks around.

[lone glacier]

This new seasonal modifier gave me a devious idea that'll probably wont work too well because of ammo issues..

[flint arch]

it was truly a moment of all time

[lone glacier]

This 442 round mag GR9 is gonna be super ammo ineffecient with Frenzy but I love it.

[short verge]

expending the first 442 mag first before frenzy even happens , but i see the vision

[noble dirge]

You can get up to 505 with mag size, Gunner Pouch and Tipping Scales

[lone glacier]

505? You sure?

[noble dirge]

Tried it myself out of curiosity. This is assuming you have +45% mag size from the modifier

[grizzled garnet]

Dont you want a decent but smallish mag to benefit from frenzy often

[flint arch]

with a GR9 you want to not have any mag size increase at all. if you use it with striker, frenzy will run out the moment your mag is empty, allowing you to chain frenzy over and over

[grizzled garnet]

I thought the convo was about tipping scales

Also does gunner pouch not count?

Misread your message

[short verge]

Ammo inefficiency-maxxing

[weak quail]

High mag guns are so fun when a teammate runs “ongoing directive”

Im curious what gear pieces do people recommend for refactor builds? Guns probably capacitor and harmony?

[short verge]

alright furthest i could push magazine size with my available resources

[grizzled garnet]

Iirc the build in the guide is

4pc refractor (mask, gloves, holster, knees)
Sacrifice chest (pgc)
Skilled wyvern ware backpack

Could also drop the sacrifice for refractor chest and have more healing and use waveform or smn

[weak quail]

Ive tried waveform it’s really good yeah

[mild dawn]

how much ammo you have left when frenzy ends

[harsh sable]

can i search for only NY bounties somewhere?

[weak quail]

So people dont run the refactor backpack? I find it helps you get away with low armor

[short verge]

i only got frenzy on Huntsman, but i can say... not enough

[mild dawn]

wait yeah you dont even have enough ammo to get a full mag after emptying that

[short verge]

[mild dawn]

truly cursed

[short verge]

still a fun experiment tho, 60 shell in an acs drum

15 bullets in a revolver

[lone glacier]

So with my 440 ish rounds Im basically nearly empty after Frenzy is over..

[grizzled garnet]

Iirc back is only for yourself. Keep in mind the build guides are not set in stone, just guides. Refractor is more of a teamplay build to me so skilled giving skills more damage means more healing for everyone

[short verge]

question is will there be an encounter that would need all 440 frenzied bullets

[mild dawn]

t10 grand washington hotel door

[weak quail]

Im quite new so i dont think i know what bag you are talking about, could be why i am surprised

[short verge]

huh

shoot the door with turmoil kneepads, everyone else dies because of the cursed door

[weak quail]

Is this “skilled” a talent i should look out for? I probably have it in my library. I know what wyvern wear is

[hushed shell]

for support builds, is coyote's mask or the beacon better?

[surreal elk]

guys do you know how can i reach 50 stacks in the recombinant? highest i saw was 46, yet journey requires 50, anyone got the combination?

[lone glacier]

Saturate (Donor of your choice), Invert (What you want as highest), Consume (What you want as highest)

In that order

[livid sorrel]

don't forget to level up the active modifiers as well, each one gives 4 more at max

[lone glacier]

^

[surreal elk]

oh yeah, thank you very much

they really should made sets for them, so we can switch between

[lone violet]

I’m tempted to using the new gear set but idk like I wanna have dps/tech or dps/healing or smth

[willow sigil]

what exactly does weapon handling do?

[shy willow]

Boosts stability, accuracy and reload speed

[versed summit]

swap speed too

[normal shadow]

What would be a good trio of passive modifiers for a all red dps build?

[shy willow]

Keep forgetting that exists

[robust garden]

Anyone have success with the new set, ive been experimenting and not sure how i feel

[lone violet]

I seen yt builds about core strength but I don’t trust it I rather trust the people in here tbh