td2-build-advice

[meager mesa]

i love the holy trinity i wish i could just shoot enemies without worrying about aggro

[buoyant perch]

Some quick numbers to remember is standard 6 red 2.3 multipliter, with 30% expertise 2.6 multiplier (no SWD)

[coral reef]

@subtle bluff you were right, this is a beast

[hexed steppe]

you will be if you use it

[atomic turtle]

Refer to my convo from a few days ago. #td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

youll never be if you stay scared

[worn imp]

i kinda dont wanna be tbh. I wanna be able to not engage 100% of the brain whenever i play, playing slightly recklessly feels fun to me

[meager mesa]

FORREAL i hate hopping i to countdown and the hunter just lasers me specifically

not my fault bruh

[subtle bluff]

I saw the other post. Take off the blue to red and had some CHC.

[atomic turtle]

There's a learning curve to it, yes. But it's very rewarding to use when you have it down.

[hexed steppe]

you run a heal hive... how reckless you really getting

[coral reef]

But... my survivavility lol

[worn imp]

very lolol

[strong cave]

Ohhhh wait a moment. Hold up. So all 6 cores together (15% × 6) is 90% weapon damage. Is the 2.3 from those cores? You also mentioned SWD which is specific Weapon Damage (ARs, LMGs, etc)

Trying to wrap my head around it slowly but surely. If there's diminishing returns in terms of weapon damage, I want to be able to find a way to try to avoid them to boost builds (if possible)

[worn imp]

and thats why we run a blue core or 2, kids!

[strong cave]

This is the first time I'm hearing about this, truthfully

[versed summit]

Diversify your damage

[worn imp]

have as many different sources of AMPs as possible

[versed summit]

Still less damage diminishing returns or no

[strong cave]

Right right. Like how nobody recommends backfire umbra or backfire tipping. It's all pooled into crit

[buoyant perch]

6 core 15x6
specialization 15
watch 10
gun 15
expertise 30

[strong cave]

Your white numbers will be tiny

[versed summit]

Its not just about amps. Everything multiplies. Weapon damage crit, dtooc etc. You just want more multipliers. Amp is a more specific source.

[hexed steppe]

dttooc on everything

[worn imp]

forgot meant to say multipliers. not amps

[subtle bluff]

I tried in my infograph to point that out.
I wanted to add a section about this.

[strong cave]

Alright, so I do actually understand it a little bit

[versed summit]

So pro

[hexed steppe]

how did biggie say it... the more buckets you make, the more damage you get... something like that

[atomic turtle]

Where is that video of like 3 tanks all dying from armor loss?

[hexed steppe]

-# ill see myself out

[strong cave]

So essentially, a good example (I think, anyways):

Going 2 unit, Fenris, walker, IA, and for shits and giggles say Ceska. It's all pooled into AR/Weapon Damage.

Would that basically be a diminishing investment?

[buoyant perch]

Generally we still go all red anyway unless you are using blue cores for shield

[worn imp]

the most fun playstyle personally

[versed summit]

Yes

[worn imp]

a couple blues for the good ol shield and push up and deal hella damage

[subtle bluff]

you want it?

[versed summit]

Just use HF at the point

[atomic turtle]

Please, I beg.

[worn imp]

ye i am

[strong cave]

For me lately due to expertise, I go with 1 blue and use an expertise 15 gun. Find that I'm hitting basically as if I never took a blue core. Expertise 30 feels like I took no blues and have an expertise 15 gun

[versed summit]

Rely on the CC, not armor

[worn imp]

Fine i might just do a single armor core mayhaps...

[atomic turtle]

^^^ This is what that extra "survivability" buys you.

[strong cave]

Word, so I did actually understand this whole time. My pea-sized brain just over complicated it for no damn reason 😭

I think my fuse box needs a replacement good god

[subtle bluff]

I actually have to do that to my house breakers....

[strong cave]

My fuses. No touchy!

[subtle bluff]

240v is scary

[atomic turtle]

Just don't touch the electrical bits.

[strong cave]

What's depressing is I knew kids in my neighborhood that thought it was funny to piss on electrical boxes. You'd think a giant "Warning! HIGH VOLTAGE" sign would scare them off from doing so...

[hexed steppe]

no worries, itll only grab you once and youll never need to worry again..

[strong cave]

You ever cook a hot dog with 2 D cell batteries, electrical wires, and a fork holding a hot dog before?

[atomic turtle]

I'm sure they were quite shocked to find out what would happen afterwards.

[strong cave]

Made St Elmo's look weak in comparison

[sand sun]

thats nuts

[subtle bluff]

Spot welded something with 2 car batteries.... 😐

[strong cave]

BADUM TSS

[subtle bluff]

I meant to.

[strong cave]

Bro literally was a Hyena and coulda made a bomb out of car parts. Shame it wasn't an RC bomb at a nuclear power plant

[dense dock]

Hey guys, I can’t remember but what’s the brand of backpack that rolls vigilance for the sniper build? Is it the Airaldi(sp?) one?

[strong cave]

Airaldi ✅

[hexed steppe]

airaldi or providence

[dense dock]

Thanks king

[strong cave]

Prov is another okay one too. You'd get more top end with Airaldi w/MMR

[hexed steppe]

depends if you need more first shot damage or not

[onyx sage]

it really doesn't matter

[strong cave]

My first shot I always go with Nemmie

[onyx sage]

what really matters is LeBron's legacy

[dense dock]

Facts

[strong cave]

Better than Kobe's

[grizzled garnet]

between 3pc hotshot build and 4pc hotshot build which will perform better?

[strong cave]

3 piece, assuming overdogs gloves

[grizzled garnet]

intriguing. do you have a screenshot?

[strong cave]

4 piece got phased out because of dogs. You can still use it for mag refresh

[grizzled garnet]

also does same apply for 1886 build?

[strong cave]

Default 4 piece but remove the hotshot gloves with Overdogs . And yes same applies for 1886. Just swap to Breaking Point

And take maybe overlord Armaments for backpack? I have zero clue

[devout knoll]

Where does one get the overdogs again?

[strong cave]

Target farm Hyena retaliations. You'll get the blueprint eventually. Each kill squad on heroic is 50/50 chance to give a blueprint

[devout knoll]

Okey ty

[strong cave]

I recommend running DUA on heroic to force Hyena retaliation (assuming there's no project to force it) with a group. Then if the group stays, run a retaliation with them. It's how I make do without Retal Matchmaking

Can also chain bounties/missions too. Strongholds are usually a 100% agitation rate tho

[dull dew]

Is this good gear set?

[smoky latch]

Yeah but four pieces are enough

[hexed steppe]

one of the best in the game

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Vsqh-jRIKp2s8QZCZ3xIPukLNVFWsdItPBwRF8Mzodo/edit
Check this suggestion

[versed summit]

4 PC is just for utility

[onyx sage]

what do you have against 4 consoles?

[versed summit]

I don't have anything against consoles sir, I understand they need determined to be able to compete with pc

[calm nacelle]

Do you understand how the gearset mechanics work? Id recommend reading and getting an idea on what it does besides damage attributes. People here are happy to explain, and I only ask so you're getting the most out of it. Not complicated just easy to overlook if your newer.

[dull dew]

But why my dps damage suck

[versed summit]

You need to tag targets to transfer damage to them.

[solar sable]

if I were someone else I'd be offended by a joke, but since I'm not someone else I can relate

[keen vortex]

so im running 4 strikers but idk if i should swap out the mask and use cyotoes or swap out the gloves and use overdogs, which one is better? (kneepads are ceskas w/ red cores)

[calm nacelle]

The gear set is good but your build isn't right. Biggest problem to fix first is swap the chest out for a more dps oriented one, and swap one of the ND pieces for something else to bring up dps. 5 of a green set is a wasted slot

[versed summit]

Depends on the content IMO. Overdogs works great for heroic but falls off for harder content

[calm nacelle]

Then use your mod slots and optimise attributes, then farm and improve further with better pieces like an exotic eg overdogs

[keen vortex]

my global settings are on challenging but i like to farm alert lvl 4 control points

i have a very balanced build but i wanna try out raids so im trying to make a more dps heavy build cause my current is mainly for solo

[tight temple]

I'm trying to put together a build to make it past heroic difficulty. I am trying to figure out the whole optimization thing but before I deep dive into trying to get perfect roles and stuff I want to make sure im on the right track.

I'm running Armor on Kill and Crit Damage mods for the most part. The holster is Salvo, but I was considering switching it out and running a high end backpack like The Vigil or Anarchist Cookbook. I really like running up with Lady Death, killing one or two to get the bleed spreading, and taking cover to switch to the vector (w/ sadist) to fight the bleeding guys. Heroic enemies take forever tho if they have gold health.

How can I improve?

[scenic whale]

what's the goal of the build here?

Sustain. damage, are you trying to build for Eclipse Protocol, skill tier or gun damage?

Cause right now it's just a very messy mix of things that don't gel together

[tight temple]

My favorite way to play MMOs is stacking status effects and snowballing, so I was trying to do that. Originially I was running Ongoing Directive, but that with the ridgeway chestpiece seemed redundant

[versed summit]

You're speccing into a lot of yellow cores and status effects, which only really boosts Ridgeway's, which isn't very strong overall, and is overkill for the banshee.

I'd really recommend checking out the guides in the pinned spreadsheet. Something like hunters fury or OD might work better for you.

I like offering advice to improve peoples builds but I'm not sure there's a good synergy here to build off of.

[versed summit]

Yeah just skip ridgeways tbh

[tight temple]

but i just got it :((

[scenic whale]

like IC3SO says as well i'd recommend just checking out the pinned guide for builds. If you want CC stacking there's Negotiator's Dilemma with bluescreen, Eclipse Protocol, and many other builds that are specialized for that idea

[devout knoll]

Bluescreen ongoing directive will be right up your alley then. Try that.

[dull dew]

But it obliterated chest piece

[olive cosmos]

can someone tell me what chest piece this is?

[scenic whale]

Badger Tuff with Intimidate

[versed summit]

Badger tuff chest, crit chance, crit damage PFE

[olive cosmos]

thanks

[tight temple]

ill check out the pinned guide. Thanks yall. I appreciate the input 🙂

[proper ridge]

It’s better when its named

[solar sable]

Just because an item is Named, doesn't mean it's better. In most cases non-named variants are far greater than their counterparts.

[versed summit]

Named chest is pretty mid tbh. Very minor improvement over normal unbreakable, and most people use it when they don't have a shotgun so it's a waste

[limpid pelican]

intimidate shotty go brrrr in pvp

[keen vortex]

wait this is the luckiest day ever

i got memento and ninjabike in the same day

[solar sable]

deconstruct Ninjabike for your own sanity

[versed summit]

One of those is good

[keen vortex]

okay

[calm nacelle]

Yep talent is fine but that core attribute and brand are not suited to this kind of build, so your dps is lower as a result. Farm a better suited brand for the chest with that same talent. There is a named piece with perfect obliterate that's a recommended replacement. "The Equaliser" from Unit Alloys brand

[limpid pelican]

got me a lil coper on pc 😭 it'll do for now

[dull dew]

How about ng talent chestpiece isnt that better than equaliser?

[smoky latch]

No. It just adds +2 targets that can be marked

[subtle bluff]

If can't do enough dmg to kill the first 3 you're gonna have more problems with 5 without chest talent.

[subtle bluff]

You're doing too much at once.

[tight temple]

how do you suggest I change it?

[subtle bluff]

how much of your library is farmed up?

[solar sable]

btw, what build do u want for Memento?

[subtle bluff]

aka do you have Status Effect maxed out yet on al the slots?

[calm nacelle]

Wouldn't be the best option honestly but even if you go that route, you still need to shuffle and swap around other pieces so that you end up with 4 green set pieces, plus 2 additional pieces with the brand and attributes best suited for upping your dps

[tight temple]

About 60% id say. I use all my pickups on it

[olive cosmos]

can someone tell me what the gloves, kneepads and holster are? they arent branded and im not too familiar with all of the brands to know

[versed summit]

Improvised

[calm nacelle]

Improvised aka no brand bonus but extra mod slot

[versed summit]

It has to be crafted at the crafting bench

[smoky latch]

Gonna cost a good amount of materials

[versed summit]

Doesn't need to be maxed

I still don't have mine maxed and still deal with whatever I need to fine

[olive cosmos]

ok ok thanks guys

[dull dew]

Vigilance or versatile for backpack dps?

[smoky latch]

Vigilance over Versatile

[versed summit]

Vigilance is a lot more consistent

[calm nacelle]

Just bear in mind that if you take damage the talent stops working for a few seconds

[smoky latch]

Unstoppable Force is an alternative for the same amount of damage when fully stacked

[dull dew]

Is this better?

[onyx sage]

much better

[calm nacelle]

Much better, now you got the right idea and base to improve from

Don't forget to use those mod slots too for extra stats

[solar sable]

btw, claim your watch with the Quartermaster

[dull dew]

Done zo

[calm nacelle]

Go forth young palawan, the road of min maxing lies ahead 😆

[dull dew]

Lmao my crit chance is 19%

[calm nacelle]

Gotta start somewhere, that'll go up as you optimise. Your watch provides some too as your shd level increases.

[tiny kernel]

Try and get it up 60%

[solar sable]

as close to*

[tiny kernel]

I was bout to say that

[solar sable]

lmao

[tiny kernel]

😂

I’m trying find a secondary weapon to pair with Elmo’s

Would dark winter be a good fit?

[hexed steppe]

LMG fit better

what build?

[solar sable]

is your build strikers?

[tiny kernel]

No it’s ND

[solar sable]

lmg better yeah, get bluescreen as a main and... idk what u can use as a secondary

[tiny kernel]

Oh bluescreen would be better than Elmo’s? Okay

[solar sable]

pair bluescreen with nego and youll get amazing CC

(i still have to get used to this kb lol)

[tiny kernel]

Well I’ve got bluescreen but what’s nego?

[flint arch]

negotiator's dilemma

[solar sable]

nego = ND = negotiators dilemma
all of them are the same

[tiny kernel]

Ohhhhh

I was running bluescreen but someone said to get Elmo’s so I did, I just need overdogs now

[solar sable]

bluescreen is just so good when paired with nego, you can proc its CC talent on demand (ask @hexed steppe for this), you get a big mag... its just so good

[tiny kernel]

Thank your for the advice

[solar sable]

elmos is okay but it will get outperformed by bluescreen in terms of CC

[tiny kernel]

Imma try a shotgun as secondary or a rifle

Thank you

[solar sable]

np, have fun

[dull dew]

If i use overdogs and ng gear for backpack would be better?

[solar sable]

its a different setup and it's the best

ovd amp can be transferred, when youre shooting an enemy inside its hierarchy, to all marked enemies

[dull dew]

This is same as i think

[smoky latch]

You can disable pings, FYI

[dull dew]

Sorry

[keen vortex]

anything i guess

im just running heartbreaker w/ chameleon and memento rn

and an improvised holster w/ blue cores

[tiny flax]

Anyone got a highend skill build?

[smoky latch]

3x EI, 2x Hana-U, 1x Wyvern - assuming you want drone/turret

[solar sable]

I use this build when I feel like run&gun-ing

i keep forgetting to switch rev hive to foam...

[tiny flax]

Yeah drone and turret do i do all skill dmg and haste or crit chance?

[smoky latch]

Depends on you. If you're cool with lower CDs you can roll some SH to CHC. Impetus chest, Force Multiplier backpack

Or use gear mods, 3x CHC and adjust to your needs

[tiny flax]

capacitor would be best ?

[smoky latch]

Yup. And Harmony if you like

[tiny flax]

I got Impetus chest

[pulsar burrow]

Which specialization would y'all recommend for a Coco Pestilence?

[smoky latch]

Gunner

[pulsar burrow]

Sounds about right.

[torpid valve]

What is that smg bro

[solar sable]

Backfire

[torpid valve]

The gun that mad u bleed right0

[smoky latch]

Really good with a HazPro build 😬 JK, don't do that

[solar sable]

mad bleed is exaggerated imo

[hexed steppe]

idk, makes me pretty mad when i bleed

[smoky latch]

Just a typo lol

[torpid valve]

The bleed animation is suck, but 200% crit dmg is worthy to trade

Which specialize u use with backfire bruv ??

[solar sable]

its Gunner, its in the image

[meager mesa]

i've seen some pics of people with blue set gear like what the hell is that colour bruh

[solar sable]

colorblind settings

[meager mesa]

oh my fault

[hexed steppe]

yeah, made us all colorblind XD

[strange coral]

Hello Agents, anyone some advice for me?

[subtle bluff]

HB Chest instead of BP.

stop exp your armor

[grizzled loom]

What’re you using for pulse?

[fair ridge]

hey hey. getting back into the game and noticed some of my HB builds missing pieces. had one blue HB with memento but i can't remember which named piece I used. any suggestions?

[subtle bluff]

Scanner Pulse.... It's in his first skill slot

[subtle bluff]

You don't need any named for it. Memento and Ceska generally.

[fair ridge]

holster or kneepads?

also even for blue?

[fleet gulch]

Two questions, is there any way to get heartbreaker blueprints anymore, and what does a high end heartbreaker build look like?

[solar sable]

what is going on with people and HB?

[smoky latch]

Spreads like a virus. Must be YT or Reddit

[fleet gulch]

I'm just curious.

[solar sable]

but worse!

[fleet gulch]

So... does anyone have answers?

[paper dagger]

I can only tell you the weapons currently would be Kingbreaker and an ACS12 (With the talent that deals more dmg to pulsed targets) with Technician specializiation for the attachment 😄

[fleet gulch]

Can you say anything about blue core vs red core, what stats to look for on gear, etc?

[paper dagger]

Personally i run full red core with chc/chd since dps is best survivability but i guess you could also go for 1-2 blue cores but the bonus armor stacks up so fast with the acs

[buoyant perch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQZF6R-PYMsz9UeqCRCktZ3GW05T60Tru_BCU0J4VGSDrsB_ipKCPBNDmeSwOuQ-vigsh8h73d8Kcso/pubhtml
Bp list and where/if you can get them

post the wrong link twice lol

[warped crypt]

anyone got a shotgun viable build for heroic group play? is memento really a must? or any other better exotics?

[smoky latch]

Headhunter's Fury

[warped crypt]

what exotic?

[smoky latch]

None

Regulus as sidearm if you have and want

[paper dagger]

You can always look for Overdogs if you really want to use an exotic but nearly all shotgun builds i saw run without exotics

[solar sable]

HHF doesnt use ovd

[paper dagger]

Thats why i said you COULD if you REALLY want to use an exotic 😅

At the end you can build w/e u want if you feel comfortable with it

[smoky latch]

You COULD run six pieces of the same gear set. Doesn't mean it's recommended

[paper dagger]

Thats correct but what if that person still deals more dmg then you in a mission? I run multiple builds where people would say NO THATS BAD and somehow iam always either first or 2nd in damage. Game is there to have fun and if fun means u want to use an exotic let that man use an exotic 🤣

[livid sorrel]

Obviously there's a lot more factors to dmg in a mission than builds

But of course it's gonna be the first point we talk about in the build advice channel

[paper dagger]

Thats why my answer was u could use it even if i don saw any using it 🙂

[subtle bluff]

The real answer is you don't need to use exotic or named stuff. It's not always the best nor is need in every build.

[smoky latch]

By the way the dude asked his question you could see he was unsure. You don't have to sell him an exotic for that build. The build is clean as is. Sure tho, ppl can run whatever they want

[warped crypt]

thx guys i'll try that suggestion

[stark cipher]

which is better lexington or st elmo for striker

[livid sorrel]

Lexington can kill a guy faster but Elmo's is easier to use with the big mag, shock ammo, and accuracy

[stark cipher]

thanks! i would just use st elmos then

[livid sorrel]

Elmo's is training wheels tbh, going to even a Police M4 felt nuts getting to kill faster

[stark cipher]

how about pestilience any good builds with that weapon?

[stark cipher]

because of the talents?

[livid sorrel]

Yeah, damage talents are huge

[stark cipher]

where would u farm lexington doe?

[livid sorrel]

It's not farmable rn, only in events
But a Police M4 is just as good

[stark cipher]

ahhh sso police m4 it is?

[livid sorrel]

Yeah

[stark cipher]

what talent should i get on it

and i can just craft police m4 right?

[livid sorrel]

Killer for solo, Measured, Strained
Crafting it is fine, although the rolls could be lower

[stark cipher]

thanks!

[livid sorrel]

You can go coco which is slower to stack or lengmo highend which is harder to farm for and has less damage

[stark cipher]

thannks noted

[cinder karma]

Lengmo may have less damage, but it is way easier to use than concentrated company

[livid sorrel]

Pretty much.

[cinder karma]

I found it annoying how slow it stacks. Plus, teammates don't always shoot the targets that are marked either

[stark cipher]

i should also use tinkerer no?

[livid sorrel]

If you want to

[stark cipher]

or overdogs would be better but form the lookss of it tinkerer is the best since its a non exotic

[strong cave]

Overdogs would give you more damage, depending on who you shoot

[livid sorrel]

Overdogs is just more damage overall

[stark cipher]

isnt it only just 30% damage to the lowest tier enemy?

[livid sorrel]

I don't know the math exactly, but the way Overdogs damage is calculated makes it better

[stark cipher]

while tinkerer if u have a streamline rifle as a secondy it would be 42% no?

ahh

overdogs is multiplicative

[flint arch]

that 42% looks like a lot, but once you factor in how it's calculated it's more like a 12% increase in damage

[stark cipher]

i see i see

[flint arch]

the kicker is that it's a 42% increase in weapon damage, not total weapon damage

[livid sorrel]

math straight from ikia himself, can just look at od killer vs tinkerer killer + streamline

[flint arch]

despite having similar names, they are on different sections of the calculation

i can only find this blurry image, dammit

[stark cipher]

i see thanks!

[strong cave]

In practicality you're getting around 12-18% extra damage depending on who you're shooting (lowest tier enemies are fairly common, but not always. So even by accident you'll get damage)

Edit wrong person smfh

@stark cipher ^^ here

Now if you target tier 1 enemies almost always, you'll almost always have the boosted damage (at some point you may need to shoot somebody who doesn't give extra damage)

[stark cipher]

okok i sseee

[subtle bluff]

Btw that my older version. Corrupt's post is the newer one.

[strong cave]

Do you have the clearest version? I want to add a footnote saying "DTA/DTH is not divided by, it's and/or"

I myself misinformed somebody because I thought it was divided by

[subtle bluff]

On the list..

Sorry. Ya makes sense.

[strong cave]

I'll roll my sleeves up and paste text onto the picture

[subtle bluff]

I can fix that later.

[buoyant perch]

Do you have one with more pixels?

[rough hill]

Hi, I'm struggling to kill anything on Heroic, what's wrong with my build 😭

[hazy steeple]

@buoyant perch I got ya

[livid sorrel]

use equalizer chest and striker bp

[rough hill]

I'll try that, thanks

[strong cave]

@buoyant perch

[hazy steeple]

Now that's just playing silly buggers.

[strong cave]

Should be plenty crisp for our blind agents to read it as Braille

[grizzled loom]

Heartbreaker with full red or full blue

[flint arch]

full red

[strong cave]

Neither. Striker

[dull dew]

What this resolution

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot wrong with your build. You want equalizer chest.

[flint arch]

[hazy steeple]

18p

[stark cipher]

@flint arch this was the build in the ask

[flint arch]

yup, many, MANY problems here...

[stark cipher]

oh no

[flint arch]

i suggest starting over from scratch and make a Striker build

[stark cipher]

yea im making it rn just missing the equalizer and the m4

[rough hill]

What is wrong beyond the equalizer ?

[stark cipher]

and actually overdogs

[flint arch]

the Fenris backpack with Clutch

clutch is a bad backpack talent

and you lose a lot of damage by not running the striker backpack instead

[subtle bluff]

It's more that clutch is a very bad talent. When a brand bonus can naturally give more armor...

[rough hill]

Makes sense ! I'll switch the backpack out asap

[wind radish]

How's the Heartbreaker build nowdays?

[flint arch]

If you're going full red, it's a worse version of Striker

[wind radish]

Is there a way to make it viable for group play? What about solo? Considering we'll see lots of black tusk with new update, might be worth using it with tech spec for that additional mechanical dmg

[flint arch]

use it like striker, but like i said it's just a worse version of striker
that damage boost from tech spec doesn't do much for you, you would have more benefits with gunner

[wind radish]

I see, thanks! I'll stick with Stiker then

It was so long, I thought perhaps it's more viable now

[livid sorrel]

I only use HB in DZ with Memento in hopes of pulling off this bonus armor clutch i saw in a video once

[flint arch]

it used to be absolutely busted until it got nerfed to the ground

and because you want to be full red for max damage, that bonus armor doesn't help you a lot

you just end up playing a jank version of vigilance striker once you inevitably lose all of your bonus armor

[wind radish]

I use blue striker with memento in dz or some difficult content when i'm solo, works so well

[flint arch]

LLP is also buggy

[wind radish]

LLP?

[livid sorrel]

linked laser pointer, the technician laser basically

[wind radish]

Noted, cheers! What about negot dilemma, I kinda like it, but not sure if its good or should stick with striker/tipping scales

[flint arch]

less damage but the ability to damage 3 enemies at a time is good in certain scenarios

[patent fossil]

Nego is very strong but takes a bit more work to maintain as you have to make an effort to keep tagging more enemies

[wind radish]

Keeping it then. What about AR talent, torn between measured and strained for lexington. Considering we would be able to change the talent on proto things, better make the right choice.

[flint arch]

Measured

Killer is better for solo play, Measured is better for group play

[patent fossil]

Proto will up your crit stats a bit too, meaning crit from talent will be diminished a bit further, while measured (rof and twd) will not be affected

[wind radish]

Thank you, this was really helpful

[meager mesa]

FINALLY

[strong cave]

Now hunt for 11 more so you have 3 each across 4 characters

[meager mesa]

how about i blow my brains out instead

[livid sorrel]

Obviously you should get 6 per character for the 3 improvised gear mod slots

[lone violet]

How good is the sheriff shotgun

[dull dew]

what website are you using this?

[versed summit]

Its the best DPS shotgun

[unkempt terrace]

farming max mods is hell

[strong cave]

buildstation.app. give it a google

[strong cave]

Damn, community loves it now? I remember a good chunk said it was booty cheeks when it dropped

[dense dock]

My highest has been 5.1%

[dapper glacier]

are the bloody knuckles good?

[livid sorrel]

No

[flint arch]

only useful in incursion

[round granite]

how is a good cap to crit chance?

[strong cave]

Cap is 60% and the community usually recommends around 52 - 60%

A good ratio is 1:2

[lone violet]

Too bad I gotta do master manhunt on that raid

[shy willow]

Situationally very good

[shy willow]

I think it was the initial dissapointment of it being mid for headhunter

Like throw that thing on striker and it claps, use centurion and it claps even harder

[livid sorrel]

With striker?

[shy willow]

Yes

You can do swap shenanigans to keep it topped off and have the rof/damage buff

[round granite]

on stiker build, use salvo and equalizer together is good?

[flint arch]

if you don't have coyote's or overdogs, a ceska piece

[round granite]

i have coyote, but i dont have overdogs

[flint arch]

use coyote then

[round granite]

and change salvo for a strike set?

[flint arch]

yes

[dapper glacier]

Before you say is trash 😂 (is gonna be everyday) why this feels better than the default striker build? I know it have 100+ mag in the ar and 200+ mg. but I feel like im melting everything quicker.

[strong cave]

Remove both walker pieces. Swap one of them to unit alloys, and then take overdogs gloves. On one of the other walker pieces, take ceska

Mask: ceska or unit
Knees: ceska or unit
Gloves: overdogs

[dapper glacier]

but they giving me the CHC + CHD i need to be in the 1:2 ratio

[strong cave]

Yes but not taking overdogs you're leaving a lot of damage behind on the table just to get 5% weapon damage and 5% damage to armor

30% amp >>>>> 5% WD/5% DTA

[next dawn]

I love me some amps

[flint arch]

high-end builds are serviceable, but they will generally have a lower damage ceiling than striker or similar teal-colored options

Personally I don't like them (for ARs). I used this one before, but I just find it so sluggish to use, especially if I'm not strictly adhering to the enemy tiers

[livid sorrel]

on lower difficulties enemies die too quickly for striker's damage to be really felt

[livid sorrel]

good god that's broken

[strong cave]

Since you love PVGC so much and hitting headshots is what makes it pull ahead, how about you go Crithorn?

I have the build on my build profile

[flint arch]

Give me Bighorn

[strong cave]

Summit Legendary floor 90... Just to rub salt in the wound

[flint arch]

🥲

I need to clear F100 first

[vernal wing]

Which set at max stacks gives more damage assuming no chest or bag talent
1.) Hunters Fury
2.) Heartbreaker
3.) Striker
Running Ouroborus and ACS-12

[livid sorrel]

You're running an exotic so HB is out of the question
No bag is rough considering HB and Striker usually uses those

[next dawn]

hmm hunters fury bag and chest isn't the best so it wont really affect hunter's fury

[warm knot]

For what content?

[vernal wing]

Incursion, Retals and if it’s good enough I’ll try it in legend summit/missions

[warm knot]

Striker

[vernal wing]

Is hunters fury just always less damage?

[livid sorrel]

Think HF can keep up if you stay within close range, not sure about the numbers

[warm knot]

Thats not the point. For that content you need reliable damage, not "higher final damage"

[livid sorrel]

why no chest or bag anyway?

[warm knot]

Actually, you can run HF on retaliation. But id advice running memento and ceska intimidate with it.

[flint arch]

Who needs the striker bag when you can just run PVGC Striker instead

Oh wait you can't use Overdogs

[livid sorrel]

true...

[flint arch]

Eh, it's still better when it comes to white tusk drone operators

Those bastards keep blasting my ass into oblivion if I accidentally lose track of them for 0.0000000005 nanoseconds

[vernal wing]

Wanting to build around some pieces I don’t normally use, Knuckles, Scabbard, Perfect Versatile, Gunslinger.

Was just curious if striker is just going to be the most consistent in less optimal builds in harder content.

[next dawn]

jammer pulse is your best friend I hate those drone ops

[flint arch]

i usually stick to an EMP sticky and decoy

[next dawn]

XD thats funny

[flint arch]

i usually use the stickies on dogs but sometimes it's helpful for staggering the chungas in my face long enough to break his chain

[next dawn]

true true

[warm knot]

Just have someone to run MA. I have that buid on every character

[flint arch]

final measure isn't really good

sorry, measured assembly
god i hate how they neutered the name

final measure was a badass name for a gear set honestly, i have no idea why they didn't keep it like for Striker

[warm knot]

Why not? It makes legendary runs with randoms trivial.

[next dawn]

its a really niche gear set

[flint arch]

i've seen it used once, and that was when @strong cave subjected me to the horrors of Tent Strat™

[next dawn]

traumatized?

[dapper glacier]

for a heartbreaker build which specialisation is better. Technician or Gunner?

[flint arch]

scarred for life

[next dawn]

technicians for link laser pointer

[next dawn]

im sorry for you

[round granite]

iron lung on eclipse protocol is the best set to use this weapon? or have better?

[livid sorrel]

technician is mandatory on hb

[warm knot]

Capacitor + shotgun with i sync

[next dawn]

Pestilence is also pretty good

[flint arch]

i like my emp stickies

[warm knot]

What???? NO pesty only benefits from weapon damage

[round granite]

i dont like swap builds

[livid sorrel]

i'd just use striker or tipping scales

[warm knot]

EP is a yellow build.

[next dawn]

lol just realized I was thinking of something else XD dont mind me XD

[round granite]

ok, i try this

[small tinsel]

do u guys have any st elmos striker builds that u can share? i'm using a 4 piece striker with catharsis but i just wanted to know of other builds

[flint arch]

standard striker

[livid sorrel]

equalizer overdogs

[flint arch]

tf is catharsis anyway let me check the spreadsheet

bruh

[small tinsel]

ye i saw a build from like a year ago and used that since i just got catharsis in the same hour

[flint arch]

so that's not a good option for striker builds

[round granite]

now i use build like this @small tinsel

[small tinsel]

icic

tyvm!!

[frail halo]

Peak build right here

[flint arch]

wrong

this is peak

[round granite]

that is a true glasscannon build

[flint arch]

if you don't use PGC you aren't playing the game right

and who needs to deal with pesky enemy tiers when you can just not get hit at all and kill everyone instantly

[frail halo]

Bruh I don’t want to die every 2 seconds

I mean I already almost die every 2 seconds even without it

But that’s a skill issue tbh

[round granite]

if you have fear to die

[flint arch]

just don't die

but yeah it's difficult to play, you need to be very good at positioning and stuff

i've used it for long enough that i get shocked when i can take more than 1 bullet before getting health gated

[vernal wing]

Isn’t this just less damage than maintaining 200 striker with overdogs?

[flint arch]

how often can you maintain 200 stacks?

[vernal wing]

90% of the time

It’s like 10% in transitions it goes down

[flint arch]

if you can somehow maintain 150+ stacks throughout combat, it will be stronger than any form of striker without the chest yes

but anything short of master/legendary/raids/incursion etc. will not have enemies tanky enough for you to maintain 150+ stacks consistently

in those cases, you're better off using a normal chest talent for more upfront damage at lower stacks

[vernal wing]

I mean the general comment I get from people in here is that anything less than the activities you stated can be completed with any random build or purple gear.

[flint arch]

your question was "isn't this just less damage?"

[vernal wing]

Which it is

[flint arch]

to which my answer was "technically yes, with some caveats, hence why we don't usually striker chest"

i never said you couldn't bring striker chest into heroic

but it will be slower than someone with standard striker because striker chest under 150+ stacks will be like standard striker but without the chest talent

[next dawn]

I usually always run with striker chest

[vernal wing]

Same

[next dawn]

the 200 stack is just too good to give up even if its takes a while to build the stacks

[dapper glacier]

still a wip. am I going in the right direction?

[next dawn]

looks good, personally Kingbreaker isnt the best as it as a pretty bad rof

but thats why the ACR 12 is there

[dapper glacier]

should i swap kingsbreaker for a m4?

[next dawn]

its an option yes

[strong cave]

Should see it in incursion and DUA. Broken asf. It's not awful

It's just vvvvvvvv niche

[next dawn]

so niche thats its forgotten

[dapper glacier]

and lexington?

[vale ocean]

Does anyone here have a 1shot Rifle build that works?

[next dawn]

lex with flatline works yes

[next dawn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1380412817#gid=1380412817 try looking through here

[vale ocean]

I follow them but dmg is not similar?

[next dawn]

theres a lot of factor that can do that

the biggest impact would be shd level and/or mods and attributes

[vale ocean]

Ahh okay, so SHD lvls matter with dps ?

[patent fossil]

With headhunter builds you generally need a couple of kills to get your damage up to max

[next dawn]

up to level 1000. 2000 for hp

[tropic burrow]

anything better than 4x striker for dps lmg?

[next dawn]

tinkerer mask with tipping scales gearset, GR9 with frenzy + measured can compete with strikers

[sinful tinsel]

any guns that are better for this build? always need more damage

[flint arch]

that's about it

[next dawn]

nope just get your shd level up

[sinful tinsel]

ok cheers, is shd 1000 the end of watch levels

[next dawn]

soft cap for points

[flint arch]

no, but it's the end of any meaningful stat gains

[sinful tinsel]

ok cheers

[next dawn]

you should run CC 🙂

[flint arch]

I only run foam when I have to

[next dawn]

do you use riot foam in countdown

[flint arch]

yes

[next dawn]

bless this man for doing gods work

[flint arch]

I only use it for hunter sections though

Outside of it I just run PVGC Striker because yes I like dying easily during countdown

[next dawn]

tbh that the only part you need it

[flint arch]

i've noticed people have become a lot easier to aggravate in countdown though

[next dawn]

right?

[flint arch]

i mentioned "don't go vip" in the chat once, and i immediately get called a cupcake by the group leader

at this point im just going to go full petty and use a tank build to immediately run past the hunters and shoot the flare at extraction if someone pulls that on me

[next dawn]

i mean everyone is stressed when theres a timer

[next dawn]

😭 dont let one guy ruin it for everyone else brother you got to have standards

[flint arch]

im not going to lmao

but it's always an option

[next dawn]

intrusive thought be winning

[flint arch]

i get it, but is it that hard to not type out your insults

[next dawn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

there always those type of players in multiplayer

take them to the DZ and merk them

[flint arch]

i ain't surviving for more than 5 seconds in DZ PVP 😭

[next dawn]

F

[flint arch]

also that dude was SHD 222 so not even possible

two DZ brackets apart

[next dawn]

💀

[livid sorrel]

shd 222 and doesn't know not to do vip 😌

[flint arch]

I PINGED THE WRONG KETTLE LMAO

[flint arch]

They even deadass said "i know not to do it in heroic"

[next dawn]

tbh it usually the new player that are hella toxic

[flint arch]

"just doing it for more tokens"

One of the first two rules of countdown you learn quickly is "no deployable skills against hunters" and "no vip"

[livid sorrel]

running to the hunters with my refactor build and deploying my drone(it's a learning experience)

[flint arch]

I'm just going to host countdown from now on

[next dawn]

lol kick the petty ones

[flint arch]

you can't kick in the middle of a run

[next dawn]

before the run 🙂

[flint arch]

[next dawn]

no new player in my lobby type stuff XD

[flint arch]

nobody is joining my game then because countdown is nowadays populated by SHD <250 people

but im not that petty
...yet

i know someone who will be that petty though and honestly i can't blame him sometimes with how toxic people can be

[next dawn]

ngl I kick shd 400 or less they a liability to me and the team is how i see it

[flint arch]

i don't think kicking people is necessary esp. with challenging countdown though

[solar sable]

dude, last night when I checked if the group was full of newbies (which it was) I typed as soon as the match started "newbies, please follow me, don't skeddadle around".

A minute later only one guy was following me and the other 6 went to do VIP across the map -.-

[flint arch]

[next dawn]

true true challenging is a different story

[flint arch]

things like these make summit farming more enjoyable

[livid sorrel]

i should try heroic cd just to see how it is

[solar sable]

ew summit

[flint arch]

if only i didn't screw up and accidentally advance to F91

[next dawn]

its not bad

[sinful tinsel]

when they add black tusk retal reckon there will be a legendary mode

[flint arch]

now i need someone with hazpro foam to help me clear F100

[solar sable]

my oven is on fire

[next dawn]

na Cavalier

[flint arch]

just pee on the fire

[solar sable]

now my wife is on fire

[flint arch]

spit on your wife then

[next dawn]

Who at all the cake

[sinful tinsel]

is the bighorn any good

defo didnt drop while getting carried through legendary for white tusk outfit

[next dawn]

imho its elite for headshots

[flint arch]

meta in PVP, mid in PVE

[sinful tinsel]

fairs

[next dawn]

😭 bighorn not mid

[solar sable]

it is mid in pve lol

[flint arch]

it's not very accurate and you need to hit headshots to take full advantage of it

[next dawn]

let me live in my fantasy

[flint arch]

it will do less damage overall just because you miss your shots/can only hit body shots

oh nice got my resurgence rewards

[next dawn]

Sadge

[solar sable]

the issue with Bighorn is its accuracy which totally affects your aim, even if you have godly aim it will not hit most of the shots bc of that

[flint arch]

i did mention accuracy lol

[next dawn]

Meet me in the Dz I'm clapping you XD

[flint arch]

im not doing that

[next dawn]

XD

[flint arch]

im just going to get to the start of F100 first

so i can wait until someone can carry me and i can finally go back to F10

[sinful tinsel]

F10 farm is legendary

[next dawn]

Is it really that hard brother

[flint arch]

i need to do it on leggo

for uh... no reason

[next dawn]

Lol

Gl with that been there done that

[proper ridge]

Was alot easier when the doors stayed opened

[next dawn]

Yup

[round root]

hi all, is orobo still good? i have not played in a long time

[flint arch]

ouroboros? yes

[next dawn]

Yus

[round root]

sweet! pair it with 4pc striker im assuming? or is there a better setup for it?

[proper ridge]

Anybody got a good build for ouroboros?

Or a conflict build, one that would demolish skill build skiddies

[next dawn]

Conflict you want to go with umbra gear set

[grizzled garnet]

there any good harrier pride pve builds? 🤔

[subtle bluff]

Harrier is super niche.

[next dawn]

I wound recommend memento brother

[subtle bluff]

Memento is better due not dropping stacks when out of combat

[next dawn]

^

[dapper glacier]

so i was in a legendary mission with a shd 20 and peeps just kept quitting... 😭 💀

[flint arch]

nvm i cannot stand being deprived of another source of loot, i just decided to complete F100 on heroic

[next dawn]

Ngl valid

[flint arch]

i hate how the iron lung looks. i don't like LMGs very much. but i cannot deny how goddamned useful it is

[dapper glacier]

the wip heartbreaker build was holding still needs the improvements asap

[flint arch]

hunters can't do anything against you when they're on fire. you can even do shit like blindfire the gun just to get the effect

i still don't like the iron lung, but it's just so good in a fight

[next dawn]

What are you looking for?

[subtle bluff]

Leggo mission isn’t some where new players should be in.

They should looking to solo heroics first.

[dapper glacier]

just need another red core and more chc + chd

[next dawn]

Let them learn and find out

[subtle bluff]

Hate it. It’s worse when they’re trying to do incursion

[grizzled garnet]

das unfortunate. ive had my fun with memento. was hoping harrier wasnt just one you get then forget

[next dawn]

I'm sorry but it's one for the stash

[grizzled garnet]

;-;

[flint arch]

harrier is bad. the fact you lose all stacks on exiting combat completely kills it

[solar sable]

Harrier is... a stash exotic

[grizzled garnet]

so basically... they should remove the out of combat schtuff and we'll be happy?

[next dawn]

Trophy exotic

[round root]

is this a good setup for oro?

[solar sable]

I wouldn't even consider it as a trophy but an exotic component at best

[next dawn]

It's good

[flint arch]

it would still be unwieldy and less useful than memento, but at least not downright useless

[next dawn]

Stop kicking it it's already dead brother

[subtle bluff]

Most DPS are general builds just CHC/CHD change around.

[proper ridge]

All red? Or 4 red 4 blue?

[subtle bluff]

There’s PvP starter doc in the build hub.

[next dawn]

Imho half and half but you can get away with 3 red and 1 blue

[round root]

gotcha, is there a CHC/CHD im looking for im sitting at 60 Chance and 107 CHD

[proper ridge]

Any named items i gotta combine the build with?

[subtle bluff]

A lil but its still underwhelming

[next dawn]

Depends on your guns you gonna use

[proper ridge]

What would be useful?

[grizzled garnet]

so any other builds i should slap together?

currently i have;
legendary skill build
future initiative healer build
striker with and without chest (needs to be updated for overdogs and equalizer)
hotshot (3pc w/ overdogs)
oxichem
hhf
status cc and damage version
haz tank (for raid)
tipping scale (needs to be updated for equalizer)
1886 determines
hardwired seeker spam
OD tinkerer sadist
coco pesti
striker w/ memento and backfire

[next dawn]

Personally I would use AR with tinkerer mask + umbra. Go off from that

[proper ridge]

Gotcha, would EB be good?

[next dawn]

Bighorn would be better

[proper ridge]

Gotcha will farm the gear and give it a try

[next dawn]

Wait no you don't want to use any named weapon or exotics with tinkerer

[proper ridge]

What type of specialization?

[next dawn]

Firewall

[proper ridge]

So use named AR’s and smg’s?

[next dawn]

No both AR

[next dawn]

No named weapons just regular high end

[subtle bluff]

Haz tank for control room?

[proper ridge]

Any recommendations ?

[next dawn]

Police m4 and carbine 7, or famas

[proper ridge]

Alright, talents?

[subtle bluff]

I’ll say again there’s a starter PvP guide in the build hub

That shows all of this.

[subtle bluff]

Haz tank for control room?

[next dawn]

Measured and optimistic and I'll stop there you should go to #td2-pvp-discussions for anything more

[proper ridge]

Ty

[grizzled garnet]

feizer or however you spell their name. last i ran control room i ran healer

[strong cave]

And that's why I make my girl run it in niche use cases lol

[next dawn]

You evil man

[subtle bluff]

Oh right him.

[strong cave]

I would let the pvp people know to look into the FAQ. It still says lady death is meta. Hasn't been meta in years

There's also some misleading info in the FAQ's in terms of pvp stuff too

[next dawn]

Lady death is nice

But tinkerer mask is more classy

[strong cave]

Is nice, but hasn't been meta in YEARS. Ouro will dumpster it quickly. Same with Chatter. Plus bighorn Regen exists and so does umbra

[subtle bluff]

Should pop that to the author

[strong cave]

Assuming it's Prodigy?

[subtle bluff]

Yup

[strong cave]

I barely ever look at the spreadsheet imma be honest. Using build tool allowed me to memorize everything

[grizzled garnet]

i remember the time when hf lady weath was meta... simpler days

[strong cave]

It might need a new author then 😈

Just one problem: idc enough for pvp anymore. Not until cheating issues get fixed and everything is balanced

[subtle bluff]

Well I threw in the channel for the group to work it out.

[strong cave]

Man... I just want in-sync to work with shields again.... They nerfed it right as I made the build for it

[dapper glacier]

everyone have overdogs except me...

[next dawn]

skill issue

just do retaliations

[calm nacelle]

Specifically hyena retaliations

[dapper glacier]

don't I have to wait for hyenas one?

[next dawn]

i dont remember which one it falls under

[meager mesa]

it's hyena

[calm nacelle]

You don't need to wait, just abandon whatever faction it's tracking till you get hyena

[buoyant perch]

Just clear dua and you will get a full hyena retal

[dapper glacier]

Sorry dude but what is dua?

[next dawn]

nevermind that man

[onyx sage]

district union arena

[next dawn]

or control points

take about 2-3

[ebon pebble]

Can anyone help with a good skill build

[onyx sage]

anything hyena related will work yeah. i personally just do control points and bounties. cba to do dua heroic

[next dawn]

what type of skill build?

there like 4 sub categories

[ebon pebble]

damage i seen one using exotic holster and was clearing pretty good

[flint arch]

hello dien

[next dawn]

ah waveform

[ebon pebble]

Yuh

[next dawn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vfhmvazeq14

[ebon pebble]

Ty

[ebon lantern]

Hey all silly question time. But looking at the Pesti build I know Glass Cannon is recommended but I've never been a big fan of the increase in damage taken. Any advice on an alternative?

[flint arch]

Glass Cannon can amplify Pesti ticks, iirc no other chest talent can

So there's not really an alternative

[buoyant perch]

Obliterate obviously. TWD increases pesti ticks too.

[flint arch]

Wait, Obliterate also boosts pesti stacks?

[buoyant perch]

Yeah, read Mr Chow's guide

[flint arch]

Obliterate is not mentioned once in the guide

[buoyant perch]

[flint arch]

Okay, after checking the equation, it includes TWD so I guess that's what's happening here

[ebon lantern]

Lmfao honestly I didn't see it either so that's on me. But yeah been rocking Obliterate for now. Might just have to give Glass Cannon a try to see if the difference is that big

[copper yarrow]

WHen using EP. foam builds use the courier vs fire builds use the EP bag, why so?

[flint arch]

Finally got my Bighorn

[flint arch]

For foam builds, you just want to spread the foam as much as possible. The EP backpack won't help you with that since foam does no damage
For fire builds, you want to do damage, so you take the backpack

[copper yarrow]

cool ty man

[subtle bluff]

Yup. It’s the whole stacking AMP is better than TWD but obliterate does work. I guess it’s more of. HE where GC is a lot better.

[subtle bluff]

Here

[flint arch]

[copper yarrow]

Appreciate it

[ivory abyss]

Does bighorn excel at all in pve? Like what builds use it

[smoky latch]

Nope

[smoky latch]

Look up "Bighorn PvE" in here

[next dawn]

as a big horn enjoyer i find this sadge

[ivory abyss]

Thats unfort lol like what exotic AR is good besides elmos

[cold pasture]

Are there any list for skill talent of weapon, but focus on skill only like “In Sync”

[solar sable]

the Spreadsheet has those

[ivory abyss]

Okay better yet, for strikers builds like what else can be used that would be as good or better than elmos exotic wise

[cold pasture]

Where can i see please

[flint arch]

police M4

[solar sable]

pinned messages

[cold pasture]

I see it, ty

[solar sable]

exotic wise? Strega

[ivory abyss]

exotic wise

[solar sable]

that's... the answer.

[ivory abyss]

I meant to reply to the police M4 lol

Strega is good?

[flint arch]

you can also technically use the eagle bearer, but it has a weird recoil pattern and suffers the same problem as elmos: no damage talent

[solar sable]

yes, it has a dmg talent which Elmo's doesn't

it may not have the same stability and recoil control but it's amazing if you know how to manage it

[ivory abyss]

How many rounds does it have? Also what about bluescreen

[flint arch]

40
bluescreen has good CC but deals mid damage

iron lung is also an option, again it doesn't have any damage talents but it lights your enemies on fire

[strong cave]

Niiiiice

[flint arch]

you have no idea how unbelievably useful that can be, it's way more consistent than elmo's and makes dealing with hunters on your own way more easier

[next dawn]

Strega has 40 brother

[flint arch]

I forgot to unequip my Crithorn build

[next dawn]

Smh

[ebon lantern]

Is there a weird bug with Concentrated Company? def using it with Pesti and not gaining stacks at all

[flint arch]

Visual bug, stacks are building as normal

[ivory abyss]

I think there is a bug with heartbreaker tbh lol I feel like the damage buff from stacks building up doesnt transfer over to the next enemy

[flint arch]

heartbreaker is janky

[lament reef]

the marker you apply is not permanent and goes away quickly

so if you tag something and then have to take cover and then it dies, you don’t get stacks

[ivory abyss]

yes everytime I use it, it just feels like its not as good as it should be

[flint arch]

i think there's a bug with stacking being inconsistent rn

[solar sable]

I'm so confused, who are you replying to?

[lament reef]

coco guy

[flint arch]

also, in many ways, red heartbreaker w/ vigilance backpack is just a worse striker

once you lose all of your bonus armor, enjoy running a jank version of vigilance striker for the next minute

[solar sable]

use this build for Strega, it hits like a truck

[next dawn]

Eb also works with that 🙂

[ivory abyss]

I just want something diff than elmos lol and strego at 40 rounds sounds like ehh xD

[solar sable]

with what I sent you'll have a 60 round mag

HE requires no stacking at all so it's pure dmg but doesn't compare in any means to Strikers

[next dawn]

What dps on it?

[smoky latch]

Depends on Strega stacks

[solar sable]

I haven't made the meths but crits range from 700k to 1.9mil
I don't remember how much it is with ovd amp

[next dawn]

That fine it gives me a baseline estimate

[smoky latch]

Idk

[solar bison]

Hey is nemesis or shroud better for consistent 1 tap builds?

[next dawn]

nemesis is consistently better for general use

[woeful chasm]

Sledgehammer and improved sledgehammer states it increases damage taken from the one that applies the mark. Why is it recommended to use for a team buff?

[sinful yarrow]

What is the best way to get 60% crit chance? Getting most of it from weapon mods or from gear? This is for a strikers build

[vernal path]

use an SMG, they get up to 21% chc built into the gun

[smoky latch]

Either. You can freely adjust

[next dawn]

Pre nerf Sledgehammer allow other agents also take advantage of the 20% from Sledgehammer. It isn't recommended nowadays unless you doing minmax stuff

[vernal path]

then a CHC roll on each gear piece is 36% more

[sinful yarrow]

then why do all striker build vids recommend ARs instead? I didnt know smgs had that

[vernal path]

and remember weapon attachments/mods

[woeful chasm]

Oh right, I will figure out some other talent to have on my secondary then thank you for replying.

[vernal path]

if you have good gear, you can hit 60% even using an AR, and ARs have best sustained DPS at all ranges

[smoky latch]

They made a bad suggestion there, just disregard

[smoky latch]

The text is apparently just wrong and it should still apply to teammates

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmMtU8JWUXNIObhxst__CYguFgfZ1288mPodyqs2LTE/edit?usp=drivesdk

Scroll down in this list

[woeful chasm]

Ty

[solar sable]

it still does

[next dawn]

didnt they nerf it a few season ago

[solar sable]

one sec

[next dawn]

it was inpart with the heavy debated Scorpio ammo nerf

[solar sable]

they did with Resolve, but devs forgot to change the description back

[hot trellis]

@smoky latch Fixed my build with your advice 🙏🏻 definitely better on the dmg side but I’m for sure way easier to kill 😂

[next dawn]

alr

[solar sable]

so it still affects all members and not just the one who applied the mark

[smoky latch]

Never forget - this game is a cover shooter. You'll get used to it 👌

[hot trellis]

Ye I cover half my body with a shield and pray the lord keeps me safe

[smoky latch]

Shield at tier 0 is just a last resort or for long range fights

Coverrrrrrr is more important

[hot trellis]

Ye mines level 3 some how

[smoky latch]

Idk what your build looks like

[solar sable]

any blue cores or skill tiers?

[smoky latch]

Technician and Memento maybe

[next dawn]

bluescreen or pesty for OD?

[solar sable]

Bluescreen

[smoky latch]

BS

[next dawn]

perfect

[hot trellis]

Went from this

To this

[solar sable]

u nailed it lol

[next dawn]

this is good

[hot trellis]

I’m enjoying it

[solar sable]

+1 Skill tier from spec, +1 Skill tier and +1 blue core from Memento

[hot trellis]

Ngl I do be changing between a drone that hive and a emp pulse

Not really sure I understand how the hive works so I just keep it on to see if I can understand it more

That level change isn’t much either but 😏 3 days

[sinful yarrow]

Anyway to improve this build? I mainly run Countdown and high-level missions solo

[smoky latch]

Is fine for heroic Countdown. You could swap the SB gloves to Overdogs tho (getting rid of Coyote's)

[hot trellis]

Striker go brrrr

[smoky latch]

For general play use the Equalizer chest instead of the Striker's chest

Ceska Obliterate works too alternatively

[hot trellis]

I’ve been meaning to ask you in the links you sent it was a different chest then I’m using is mine better or should I focus on finding the one you have in the build

[smoky latch]

Switch that LMG to an AR with Measured or Killer

Quickstep pistol instead of your KARD

[dreamy valve]

I'm now an Aces and Eight fan. Now deciding to use either a UIC15 Mod or Artist Tool for it. Both hit pretty well at close to mid range with blue cores. Will do more testing after Resurgence play

[ivory abyss]

Okay I think I have decided on my Elmos replacement even though its range might be shorter lol I will use the chameleon

Chameleon is an AR but really an SMG but it does get buffed by AR damage things right? Like in the skill tree etc

[next dawn]

Yes

[smoky latch]

It's the exo version of a Vector dressed as AR, benefits from AR buffs. Usually decent on builds with some armor

[ivory abyss]

Ive been testing out all the tech tank builds and I think I am going to main the striker one for solo play I just didnt want to use elmos lol I needed something different so cham will work

[next dawn]

A wolf in sheep skin

[smoky latch]

The other way around, lol

[next dawn]

XD

[ivory abyss]

Is it though? The talent does not seem that hard to activate

[smoky latch]

It's not hard but you can't be too far or you'll miss headshots

[calm nacelle]

Activate vs sustainable applies here

[next dawn]

Trust .45> 7.62 and 5.56

[ivory abyss]

Tech tank builds usually you will be close so it could be nice

[smoky latch]

Yeah that works

[ivory abyss]

I will still keep elmos or something for my all red striker build

[smoky latch]

The broken talent indicator will apparently be fixed for next season

[ivory abyss]

I think tempest is a cool exotic also but its so hard to use since quickstep is just so nice for speed

[smoky latch]

Got a Summit build with it

[ivory abyss]

Bullwark shield?

[smoky latch]

Otherwise yeah, you will lose out on that awesome utility

[smoky latch]

Yes ofc

Was the the message slowdown period in here increased or am I tripping?

Thought it was 10 seconds

[next dawn]

No you aren't tripping

[ivory abyss]

I wouldnt mind using EB lol but I feel like itll get me killed more often than not

[smoky latch]

Is OK with Striker's

[calm nacelle]

Thought I was being punished for something 😆

[smoky latch]

Why even...

[hot trellis]

We be talking to much I suppose

[smoky latch]

That's ridiculous lol

[next dawn]

It was all that meth we did for that one guy with the smg build

[ivory abyss]

I just rerolled cham and I might just reroll again lol because optimizing this will suck

[next dawn]

Lol

[ivory abyss]

That will cost so many materials lol

[next dawn]

Gl

[hot trellis]

That’s tuff

[dreamy valve]

Wait after the new season

[strong cave]

Yesterday got heated hard in chat so it got slapped with a heavier timer

You can kinda thank me for that. Yes yes, throw your tomatoes. Go ahead

[flint arch]

I'm throwing a spike strip

[strong cave]

Go for it. If it kills me, at least I don't have to worry about bills/taxes/newbs in countdown

[flint arch]

[next dawn]

Valid crashout

[hot trellis]

Taxes ha we don’t pay those

[grizzled garnet]

there any bighorn pve builds? 🤔

[strong cave]

Florida here, no state taxes. But doesn't mean our property taxes and insurance rates aren't sky fkn high

[next dawn]

No run before you get mogged

[strong cave]

Take me back to Michigan 🙏 I wanna be in the winter where I belong

I'm ready for the irl survivors dlc 🙏

[smoky latch]

Bruh, smh

[strong cave]

My bad broski 😅

[grizzled garnet]

nws. just looking at my options

[next dawn]

Bighorn is good it's better than st elmo trust

[hot trellis]

I’m from nc all (no something) means is we gonna charge you extra for everything else like our current $400-$700 light bills here

[grizzled garnet]

i remember when i ran countdown one time. someone tried to use a skill build (drone and turret) on the hunters as the start... they got a team wiped (me included) and then the other 3 on my team left 😩

[strong cave]

My former friends say South Carolina is cheaper. Idrk the area at all and never been so take it with a massive grain of salt

Div 3 South Carolina atmosphere would be so cool tho

[strong cave]

If I was hosting, which I usually do, I would've kicked

[grizzled garnet]

i dont typically host

[hot trellis]

Just depends on the area everything else for me is rather cheap my lot rent here is only 250 and my insurance for my car is only like 80 our problem here is there is a massive area is central nc that is basically monopolize by only 1 power company so they make the prices but yes va/nc/sc would be a sick place for div 3 nc has th worlds biggest natural habit zoo

It’s like 2600 acres would make for a sick raid

[strong cave]

That would be SICK if we had a raid like that

And damn, with those prices, you almost make me want to start my own Cleaner gang and torch all the prices...

[hot trellis]

😂😂

[merry pasture]

Are there any build YTers that people would recommend giving a watch?

[smoky latch]

Not anymore

But in general, iKia

[lone violet]

Is the sheriff shotgun worth getting?

[merry pasture]

iKia I know about (sucks he’s moving on though)

[smoky latch]

I don't have any other recommendations at this point

[lone violet]

Someone suggested running hunters and some gear that amps dmg to dazed enemies?

[merry pasture]

Rip, well, I guess I can use this chat as well for a baseline

[smoky latch]

Yeah this is a good place amongst a few others

[serene coyote]

Guys I have a serious question, my EB build has around 45-50% CHC so the eb can shine, now if I was to use the Elmo should I increase my chc to the cap which is 60%

[merry pasture]

I’m just starting to get back into this game, and I’ve never really explored builds beforehand so idek how many possible build options there even are.

[solar sable]

55-57 is the sweet spot without sacrificing too much CHD

[serene coyote]

And is that for the Elmo’s or does that mean the EB is included?

[smoky latch]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LPnA18PDgGg_dEbNI1kZVTVIMGXNHQS_
Bookmark this

[solar sable]

Scorpio's 9th shot applies 20% amp, unless it's not that paired with HF... idk what else is

[lone violet]

Was seeing smth about how to build the sheriff shot gun and it was hunter gear and smth else to amp dazed enemies off a YouTube short

[solar sable]

Elmo's, but it's a general rule for DPS builds

[serene coyote]

I see and where my CHC is rn, is it perfect for the EB?

[solar sable]

idk, I see EB as mid so I don't use it

[lone violet]

EB?

[solar sable]

not yt, man...

[serene coyote]

But I mean with the new version of it coming out the adept I think it will be quite strong

[solar sable]

Eagle Bearer

[merry pasture]

Goddang that’s a lot

[smoky latch]

iKia's collection of great build suggestions

[lone violet]

I know I just know for shotgun builds you want hunters and some gear with obliteration

[merry pasture]

Those are some insane stats in some of those pictures

[flint arch]

not really, once you play the game long enough you will have at least one build where all of your stats are maxed

[merry pasture]

So what are the basics of builds in this game?

[smoky latch]

Wdym

[flint arch]

weapon, weapon talent, brand set, gear set, backpack talent, chest talent, core attributes, attributes

at least i think that's what they meant

[merry pasture]

What are the certain stats and armour pieces you want to focus on while building. Are there any set combinations of stats/armour pieces that you want to focus on while build crafting, and how do certain stats synergize with each other? Are there exotic pieces of gear with specific anchors that pair well with certain armour bonuses to fulfil a certain need? What are types of armour bonuses that are the “best” to use for maximizing different builds such as health or DPS? Are there certain armour pieces that you specifically need for all types of builds? Stuff like that.

[smoky latch]

It just depends on what type of build you want to create

[flint arch]

that question has 5000194140 different answers depending on the build

[smoky latch]

Basically everything has already been mathed out and some of the best builds can be found in the build collection I linked to you earlier

[lone violet]

What build do people run sheriff or is it not worth the time farming a build for it

[smoky latch]

None. It's a great seconday but not worth it building around

[visual trellis]

What build can I run with drone and pulse if I wanna keep skill tier maxed out?

[magic pilot]

What FAQ? There isn't one in the pvp guide

[solar sable]

here

FAQ from the Spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

Honestly that whole tab needs to be updated or removed

[flint arch]

I find it funny that the FAQ links to the old Y6S2 Striker guide at first

But later down there's a section that links to a message I posted in this channel that links to the updated Striker guide

Why not just link to the actual Striker guide directly lol

[strong cave]

Considering it's listing BK/Ravvy as great DPS weapons... Seeing lady death recommended for pvp killed my soul

[dense dock]

Gentlemen, what’s the go to roll for Elmo’s? Damage, CC, Dttooc?

[strong cave]

DTTOC always

[smoky latch]

DTOC 4 life

[strong cave]

On LMGs focus crit chance. If plenty of crit, can go rate of fire as well. Both are accepted

[strong cave]

Under acronyms too you're missing BFB - Battle For Brooklyn

There's probably more I'm missing

[silent storm]

BFB will always be Big Fracking Bomb

[smoky latch]

Not to be confused with BFG

[subtle bluff]

I was slowly going thru the FAQ there's a lot there..

[magic pilot]

Yea I noticed some of it was good

[flint arch]

i probably got misled once or twice there

[subtle bluff]

some of this isn't me. maybe local has been working on it

[smoky latch]

The coordination is on fleek, gentlemen :p

[flint arch]

I still haven't truly exposed my email to hundreds of people yet :P

[subtle bluff]

There's enough me out there

[flint arch]

There's never enough sir

[subtle bluff]

added your finally

[flint arch]

yay

[fickle sparrow]

i want to play tardigrade chest piece but still dps ...what build you guys suggest? im thinking 2 blue cores to make tardigrade worth it? obviously gonna lose my chest talent...should i do rest gold gear or is there any green gear set thats viable?

[magic pilot]

I would either run the rest full red or not run tardigrade

[flint arch]

don't use tardigrade if you want to be a dps, ez

[magic pilot]

Could run efficient chest to heal team with survivalist medkits

[magic pilot]

Maximum dps you'd still want striker

[fickle sparrow]

@flint arch just played a mission were i guy ran it and was super helpful to the team...i just need to find a way to do respectful dps haha

[flint arch]

was it heroic

if it's heroic anything will work honestly

[fickle sparrow]

@magic pilot ok so striker and still all red for it? does the more blue cores mean more armour il give to team? im tryin to find a nice balance

[magic pilot]

Yea it does

[fickle sparrow]

@flint arch yeh heroic

[flint arch]

i feel like if you're going to run tardigrade you're better off just going all in on being a tank, which has its other problems but at least you're not half-assing either the dps or support aspect

but if you slap it on a striker build your damage will probably still be passable

[flint arch]

a lot of horrendous builds will still clear heroic in groups, i've seen a lot of them from when i respond to backup

(i was totally carrying all of their asses though, it's very rare for me to not have the highest kills and damage dealt unless i specifically used a support build)

[fickle sparrow]

@flint archi do have pve tanky build il post pic and tell how to intergrate tardigrade into it if its possible

il lose the backpack obviously

[subtle bluff]

Just swap it in.

[smoky latch]

Could use Chill Out mask instead of Coyote's then if you wanna stay defensive

+2 PfE mod slots

[fickle sparrow]

ah for the 2 mods....good idea

[smoky latch]

BTW I hate the new 15s cooldown...

[fickle sparrow]

and backpack? go vigilance for a lil dps?

[magic pilot]

Yea probably

Or opportunistic if you keep using Scorpio

[flat frost]

If you tank in group you should bring all the support you can to the rest of the teams dps

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna be quiet about tank builds for group play.

[flint arch]

Originally I would just say "hell no" to tanks, but a certain member of this server showed me one that worked

[fickle sparrow]

@flat frost any suggestions? like eclipse would spread shotguns debuffs but iv no i dea if thatsa build to do haha

[flat frost]

Coyote and vanguard at least gives something to the team

[smoky latch]

Opportunistic is awesome as well

[fickle sparrow]

@flat frostcant wear coyote as my primary idea is to fit a build around tardigrade

[flat frost]

I run a build with beacon and tank legendary sometimes on parts of missions. But i run in the front and try to get all the attention so my team can kill and hopefully get the beacon buff.

I use adrenaline rush on the backpack to give me bonus srmor for that

[flint arch]

there isn't really a "taunt" ability in this game, if your dps players in the back shoot the enemies they'll eventually aggro on them and not you

[fickle sparrow]

@flat frostits the 10metre thing that puts me off the beacon

[flint arch]

your best bet is to land scorpio shots and use banshee pulse or something to stagger the enemy for as long as you can before they can shoot back at the dps players, and also spam vanguard + galvanize to give the equivalent of 4 blue cores or something to your group

and you really, really need good DPS players if you're running tank, if the enemies don't die fast enough the DPS players will die faster