td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

Sorry. Why are you in the DZ.

[mint bone]

To farm the pvp exclusives and the raid exos cause my rng sucks inside the raid groups i am in xD. Yes i know its a .0024 chance or smth.

[vernal wing]

Better option, build the most basic all red striker build with any assault rifle and just learn the raid.

[subtle bluff]

You do know in raid groups most of the time everyone else that knows what there doing or is high SHD already has the exclusive and are willing to give it them out if they know others need it?

The rest you can farm out of named or legacy caches.

[mint bone]

Yep,but if nobody gets it in multiple tries its also pretty funny

[subtle bluff]

It took me 32 tries for ouro.

RNG is RNG.

[subtle bluff]

What's funny?

[vernal wing]

Took me 2 for Ouro
2 for Eagle
2 for Rav

[mint bone]

That nobody got it in multiple tries on different chars. Just the rng when i am in the group,which i already know from other games. Thats why i find it funny.

[strong cave]

Ceska Unbreakable would work fine too

When you get used to pixel peeking in heroic, the same methods apply to Legendary.

The only skill gap between heroic and Legendary is enemy patterns and knowing which enemies to prioritize first

[sinful tinsel]

yeah, i still deal decent damage in legendary

ill tackle it one day

[strong cave]

Heroic you can pick any joe schmoe to kill and be fine. In legendary, choosing to kill a sniper is fine but leaving a drone up alive is a death sentence

[sinful tinsel]

yeah hate those drones

or the sniper warhounds

[strong cave]

Typically in Leggo you prio the drone ops first then kill everyone else

[strong cave]

Shoot their legs. It will bypass the warhound's armor

You'll never have issues with Warhounds again knowing that info

[sinful tinsel]

didnt actually know that cheers

[strong cave]

I got you 🥂

[sinful tinsel]

i knew it was the back thing for the grenade ones

[strong cave]

It applies to all of them funny enough

[vernal wing]

Is shroud actually good in Legendary missions or is Nemesis just always better?

[strong cave]

It's that little red strip

[strong cave]

It's one of those "it depends" situations. Up to the user to utilize either. I personally would rather go Nemesis

[vernal wing]

So that you aren’t punished for target priority?

[strong cave]

Correct. Shroud is ODogs but backwards

[vernal wing]

So is it actually more damage than Nemesis when following the priory? 125% amp sounds good but idk about actual calcs

[strong cave]

Which most of those enemies will require numerous shots with Shroud

It's significantly better than nemesis. You can hit 100m+ with it if used correctly

[sinful tinsel]

just got a 2 control point retal im so lucky

[strong cave]

Nemesis is easier to use since all you have to do is hold trigger + hit head

[vernal wing]

Is that like headhunter high end build?

[strong cave]

Correct

[vernal wing]

Thank you!

[strong cave]

You'll typically wanna pair it with ODogs

3 hotshot, chainkiller, dogs, Airaldi bag Vigi

[vernal wing]

Wait really? I’ve been running 3 HS, Chain, Gift, and then Dodge city with Harvest

[strong cave]

Gift is only 13% HSD. Which helps all guns in your case. Taking Dodge on an MMR build now that we have Dogs is a bit of a waste

HeadHunter caps at a certain headshot % and the damage caps as well. You're better off pooling into specific weapon damage/amp/damage to armor

[vernal wing]

How does chain killer calc when you swap off a DCH Shot to a MMR?

[strong cave]

Headhunter stacks will be max so hitting a headshot when swapping from Harvest to an MMR will still 1 shot if you hit a head. Or a body

I do it frequently on my Harvest 1 shot build. If I need range I'll swap to an MMR. Once I have the stacks I swap to pistol and it'll 1 shot any head I please as long as they don't have a helmet

[vernal wing]

Is the 1250% HH weapon damage calc’d from the DCH shot or from the base weapon damage of whatever I swap to?

[strong cave]

It's calculated based on if you hit the specific Headshot %

If I'm remembering correctly, it needs to be above I think 175% headshot damage to get that 1250% cap

So headshot will be capped at 1250%, however, weapon damage is a separate damage pool. Same with Amp/DTA

Hence why on MMRs people say take Airaldi compared to say Gift/Providence. It's a different damage source

Some also say 2 piece walker is okay too (chainkiller + walker bag Vigi. 2 piece walker is 5% DTA)

So let's say for example, you're running 4 hotshot with gift backpack. You're using an MMR. The build with Airaldi bag (using the same 4 piece hotshot setup) will do more top end damage for MMRs because of 2 damage pools:

1.) headshot
2.) Marksman rifle damage

[vernal wing]

That sounds right, I have 300% headshot damage on my build. I’m wondering if running determined on the harvest and swapping to Contractor/Fox Pray/Punch Drunk would be a better overall build

[strong cave]

Fox's doesn't count towards HeadHunter. But it does boost initial shot damage

[vernal wing]

Like they don’t stack?

[strong cave]

Damage to Armor does

They don't stack, no

Headhunter is based off Headshot

[vernal wing]

Because Chain says “damage from last weapon hit”? And it can’t stack beyond a certain point?

[strong cave]

It won't go beyond a certain point, no. It's hard capped at 1250%

[vernal wing]

Wait are you telling me headshots can’t get the DTTOC bonus?

[strong cave]

They can, but headhunter won't count it

[vernal wing]

Oh okay - Chain is limiting total damage

[strong cave]

Hence why I said "boosts initial shot damage"

It makes it easier to get your first stack I mean

[vernal wing]

So Amp, Specific Type Damage and Damage to armor can stack on top of chain killer max damage?

[strong cave]

Correct. It's weird how headhunter works

[vernal wing]

Yeah that’s crazy

[vernal wing]

Can I stack all of this with Achilles pulse?

[strong cave]

Achilles is a great skill to use yeah

It can boost the damage too

But that's because Achilles is essentially just a big damage bonus to a specific point(s) on an enemy

Oh, dien is here. He's the one to ask this stuff. I'm going strictly off memory so there might be some holes

[onyx sage]

headhunter damage is the sum of the shot damage and headhunter bonus

dttooc and hsd do not boost headhunter bonus, only shot damage, but

1. you need 150% hsd to proc the 12.5 instead of 8 value for hh
2. dttooc does boost shot damage the most out of all options so most people still use it even though it doesn't boost hh bonus

[strong cave]

I got it for the most part right?

[subtle bluff]

There’s 2 reasons. WD scales with HH and then ya MMR’s have so much HSD already due there 2nd stats.

OH dien here..

[strong cave]

Yuuup lol I wanna be as accurate as I can be

Headhunter is one of those weird ones

[onyx sage]

chainkiller is still the best option for hh chest because you're not going to need even more damage at the top end, most of the time you're already going to kill the target, so more top end damage is useless, but the 2nd shot is boosted by chainkiller and that difference matters more, imagine not being able to kill an elite on your second shot vs being able to, that difference is helped by chainkiller

[strong cave]

Considering it raises the cap to 1250 I'd assume?

[onyx sage]

12.5 is not unique to chainkiller

[strong cave]

Unlike default HH

[junior lagoon]

@smoky latch Pfe build is solid.

[subtle bluff]

That. But it’s also the reason I almost never suggest Rifle HH at first due to need to hit a certain number to get chaining easily or you need to build HH stacks correctly.

[strong cave]

Oh it's not???

[narrow iris]

how much armor regen should you have in your build
also armor regen vs armor on kill, which is preferred

[strong cave]

I need to double check Chainkiller talent

[onyx sage]

it's on normal hh as well, chainkiller only makes the damage ramp higher

[onyx sage]

on dps builds only armor on kill is used, even then you don't want too much to have to sacrifice damage

[subtle bluff]

“Easier” stacking is what I call it but that

[subtle bluff]

Have you read dien HH guide? It really explains it well

[strong cave]

I just saw the talent. I see where I got confused

[narrow iris]

what do most people use for regening armor mid fight outside of repair kits

[onyx sage]

they don't. they just don't take much damage by using good positioning

and using armor on kill to heal

[strong cave]

Default headhunter after getting a headshot kill, deals 125% of the killing blow's damage. Chainkiller pushes that to 150%

[onyx sage]

hence the ramp being higher

[strong cave]

I see where I goofed up

But mechanics wise yeah I got that for the most part right

Thank you 🙏

[strong cave]

^^ give the above convos a quick read

[cinder wedge]

yo so my police m4 is at expertise 1 can i get that higher and how do i do that i heard deconstruct stuff of the same weapons type like more police m4s in my case but i just saw a post that says you can only raise it to your expertise level which means gain more expertise with other stuff which i assume means other guns is that right?

also i am random matchmaking for summit any way to more efficiantly get scorpio or coyotes mask in it?

should i try higher difficulties?

i am on normal rn or do i have to get to the top

[subtle bluff]

Just stop with exp you don't need it

from the start.

Once you start understanding stuff then start using your mats up.

[subtle bluff]

Have you read the starter guide already?

[cinder wedge]

i may have but its been awhile i went off div2 for awhile and back in d2 and the old republic so i probably have forgotten a bunch of stuff it happens everytime i go through certain game phases

[cinder wedge]

thanks again mate

[atomic turtle]

I have been pinged once more.

@flint arch what u want

Or was it you? @solar sable

[lone glacier]

Same guy @atomic turtle

as yesterday

[atomic turtle]

fk sake. @hot trellis Get a better timezone. ) : <

[lone glacier]

#td2-build-advice message

[fickle sparrow]

whats the best non exotic lmg for support weapon....i need 1 to mow down mobs on retaliation solo....il be using 3pc UA so have the extra mag size and ROF

[smoky latch]

Depends on your build

Let me guess: 3pcs Striker's and 2pcs UA with NBB

[atomic turtle]

GR9 with frenzy is nice, NEGEV works well up close. Infantry MG5 is also a keeper, I think.

[fickle sparrow]

@smoky latch3 pc UA grupo and ceska...all crit rolled oblitirate and memento

[smoky latch]

Oh surprise

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, it's not NBB!

[smoky latch]

Iron Lung

[fickle sparrow]

@smoky latchnone exotic lol

[atomic turtle]

He asked non-exotic, INF.

[smoky latch]

Guess I need sleep, sry

[atomic turtle]

MG5 is the variant, I believe.

[smoky latch]

MG5 with Killer is nice

[fickle sparrow]

@smoky latchi do actually have that build aswell...i do realise it has its flaws but its got me through my early days ob div 2 i dare not part with it even though i dont use it much these days haha

[lone glacier]

GR9 feels smooth too

[smoky latch]

GR9 only really nice with Frenzy. Won't work with their build

[meager mesa]

this is definitely also a skill issue on my part but like is striker kinda actually hard/annoying to use in general/solo content or am i tripping

[smoky latch]

MK46/M249 are fast firing and a good alternative

[atomic turtle]

Basically answered your own question, ngl.

[smoky latch]

It's a clean build. Just get used to it

[atomic turtle]

The only thing we can recommend is not to use the chest.

[meager mesa]

ig i might be playing too impatient but goddamn being vaporised when an enemy looks at me is rough

[atomic turtle]

Chest is a trap because you often kill enemies before ever going over 100 stacks.

[lone glacier]

Backpack is a must

[fickle sparrow]

i have the gr9 with frenzy and i find it has you standing out in the open for too long waitin on the mag to empty for that fast 9 second boost....i die too much ....think il try the mg5....what talent other than frenzy you suggest ?

[atomic turtle]

Well, the idea is that you shoot without getting shot at. Peek corners, but don't exit cover. Use Decoy or Shield, that sort of thing.

[fickle sparrow]

@atomic turtle lmg with a shield? i think you need some sleep too lol

[smoky latch]

That weapon combo won't work with your build. Frenzy will run out before you empty your ammo box

[atomic turtle]

You can take your time in encounters btw, unless your goal is to speedrun content, you're not gaining anything extra for doing it super fast.

[subtle bluff]

eating bullets is bad.

[meager mesa]

yeah i definitely have a tendency to rush so i feel like i play better in a group where other people can take aggro LOL

[atomic turtle]

I was giving an example, also I don't know if he's using an LMG or not, lmao.

[fickle sparrow]

@smoky latch yeh thats what heppens and i die tryin to empty it....should i do mg5 with frenzy? i assume its a smaller mag

[meager mesa]

well i'm a woman but you're right i'm using elmo's lmao

[subtle bluff]

the one does the most dmg will normally make the most threat.

[smoky latch]

85 base + 50% on top, could work. Try Killer on it tho

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, I think your issue stems more from underdeveloped game sense than build problems.

Rushing also doesn't benefit striker as much as you think it does, especially compared to CQB builds like HF.

[fickle sparrow]

ok il go mg5 with killer ty for all suggestions...sleepy 1s and none sleepy 1s 😀

[meager mesa]

tbf with my personality i'd be better off playing something like heartbreaker but i kinda cba farming it rn

[atomic turtle]

HB is just Striker lite.

[main fjord]

i switched from striker to hb and now i feel like a juggernaut

[smoky latch]

Deflated Striker's

[atomic turtle]

Striker's without the alcohol.

[meager mesa]

i also just don't play shield bc i don't like it so i'm aware i'm intentionally making things harder for myself :icant:

[main fjord]

cant do damage when youre down 😞

[smoky latch]

HB doesn't do real damage anyway :p

[main fjord]

just farm hb bro itll change ur life u dont kill as fast but if u die with it its literally ur fault

[atomic turtle]

What exactly are you running, if you don't mind me asking? Like... can you send a screenshot?

[smoky latch]

Try 4pcs Striker's, Equalizer and Memento. Roll 1-2 cores to armor and you're good

Then practice until you can switch back to red cores

[meager mesa]

i can't open game rn but it's all red coyoye equalizer striker

[atomic turtle]

You're going to lose a lot of DPS, but Memento gives more utility and survivability.

[meager mesa]

reviver hive bc i'm a chud and banshee bc it's based

[smoky latch]

Skills are fine

[subtle bluff]

things can't hurt you if they're dead.

[main fjord]

im killing them just fine

its fun to be able to walk face to face with the biggest enemy and just watch ur armor bar go up

[meager mesa]

tempted to start farming a fi healer build so i can stop worrying about dying and allat

[atomic turtle]

What playstyle do you like? Because I'd argue it's more important that you're having fun as opposed to just running something that works.

[meager mesa]

i love doing damage i'm so damagepilled too bad i play like a chud and rush and die for no reason

[main fjord]

sounds like hb is for u

[meager mesa]

i know i can just take my time and play well but my impulse control is horrific

[atomic turtle]

Have you tried looking at a Rifle build?

[main fjord]

that too

[atomic turtle]

Rifle Builds offer some of the best damage per bullet, overall DPS is lower, but you'll see massive ooga booga numbers.

[meager mesa]

i've looked at some i think it was determined builds?

[atomic turtle]

Also, the increased accuracy makes it a lot easier to hunker down far and still land shots.

[meager mesa]

okay i'm gonna sound like a chud for saying this but like

one of the reasons i'm running striker elmo's is bc elmo's is a very good looking gun yfm?

also i SUCK at snap aiming i'm a lot better at tracking

[atomic turtle]

Some of the Rifles do look nice if you ask me, but hey, you got your priorities. #divashion is worth a look if you want drip.

[vernal wing]

Yeah this is my exact experience with the build. And I’m running shroud Dodge city and harvest.

I always one shot the boss or random yellow bars. But I’ll struggle to kill a random purple or lose my buffs to hyena rushers with helmets

[atomic turtle]

You could try a Tipping Scales Build. It's a fire and forget playstyle with LMGs.

[meager mesa]

i'm so jealous of that 12% chd mod

[atomic turtle]

Legendary run rewards.

Only reason I go to Summit these days.

[meager mesa]

i've been doing legendary stuff here and there but i've never gotten anything rip

[lone glacier]

What in gods name is that drip

[meager mesa]

i got a 10% headshot from god knows where though

[atomic turtle]

I've never once seen a 13% PfE mod, if that makes you feel any better. And I've been playing since release.

[atomic turtle]

You got a problem with my clown get-up?

[meager mesa]

i just need some chc and chd mods and then i'm all done with the build aside from expertise

[lone glacier]

You look like you got dunked into a few paint buckets

[atomic turtle]

exactly

[lone glacier]

Still need a few max CHC and CHD mods..

But I do not want to touch Summit

[atomic turtle]

No pain, no gain.

[meager mesa]

i kinda hate farming mods bc it just feels so futile there's no guarantee or anything

[atomic turtle]

You could always wait until TL switches to gear mods on one of the strongholds.

[meager mesa]

theoretically i could spend every minute farming leg summit until i die and not get even a single perfect chc or chd mods

[atomic turtle]

That's the looter shooter genre in a nutshell.

[lone glacier]

Guessing you just do floor 10 over and over again?

[meager mesa]

i was really enjoying this game actually bc of recalibration and optimization but then i got hit with mods

[atomic turtle]

To be fair, maxed mods aren't necessary. Being down 2 or 3% sucks, but it's not a build killer for the most part.

[grand girder]

its just an ocd killer

[atomic turtle]

mfw no 13% PfE after 7 years of playing.

[grand girder]

I have 1

[atomic turtle]

Actual dogshit drop rates.

[grand girder]

I've seen level 900's with 3 on one build

[lone glacier]

Let me optimize mods

[grand girder]

whether or not they did the old crafting glitch or not idk but still really annoyed me xD

[atomic turtle]

Devs sucking fun out of the game in the most petty way.

[meager mesa]

why can't we optimize mods....

i've gotten like 6 separate 11.9% chd when i just need one 12% man please

[lone glacier]

That 0.1% wont kill you, just your OCD

[atomic turtle]

I have to go back to farming Houndsman.

[meager mesa]

i'm at 99.9% chd rn you don't understand how that makes me feel

gotta be top 5 worst feelings ever in a videogame

[lone glacier]

With the 20% CHD from the watch Im missing I'd be at 110% with 58% CHC

But thats the pain of quitting during gear score 500 and world tier 5 days I suppose

[meager mesa]

if i had maxed watch i'd be at 60% chc 120% chd with max mods

pretty sure i'd actually be over 60% chc but i cba

[surreal elk]

is there any exotic that pairs well with the bluescreen?

[atomic turtle]

Overdogs, probably.

[surreal elk]

shit, got the contractors there

[grand girder]

30% amp verses 8% dta

[atomic turtle]

Contractors doesn't compare to Overdogs in DPS.

Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby.

[grand girder]

if that baby is from the boys universe I'm taking the baby

[surreal elk]

Eh, true true

[meager mesa]

overdogs seem kinda annoying to use though i don't wanna pay attention to who i'm shooting....

[atomic turtle]

Btw, I should say this now, Tipping Scales can build to over 300 CHD.

[grand girder]

Don't really need too

[atomic turtle]

A majority of the enmies fall into the lower tier anyway, on average it'll have 60% uptime.

[subtle bluff]

I don't even thinking about it...

[grand girder]

obviously you'll use it more efficiently if you do but even if you don't itll still proc

[muted bobcat]

g

[meager mesa]

lmao???? i'm happy with my striker but this is very funny to hear

[atomic turtle]

You can actually go higher. Like 750% with the right set up.

[meager mesa]

if i want to run overdogs i have to optimize a pair so i think i'll just keep running coyote atp

[subtle bluff]

Just throw them on and try it out.

I'll take a Overdogs with 2% over Coyote maxed out.

[atomic turtle]

Found it. Here's an Image from @smoky latch

[meager mesa]

oughhhhhhhhhhhhh having to farming more retals it's so over dude

[grand girder]

assuming this was backfire+ overdrive of some kind

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, Backfire, TS and some other shit Idk about.

[meager mesa]

society if i had the tactical assessment blueprints now i need to farm for overdogs dude

[atomic turtle]

Farm Retaliate or Countdown Target Loot set to Gloves.

[smoky latch]

Not recommended lol

[meager mesa]

no i have the gloves i don't have the tactical assessments to optimise them

[atomic turtle]

fym not recommened it's 700 CHD, INF.

[smoky latch]

It's a pain to keep the TS stacks up

[atomic turtle]

Just keep them up 4head.

[smoky latch]

...

[atomic turtle]

You can also craft tactical assessment if you have the blueprint for it.

[atomic turtle]

Just don't bleed 4head

[meager mesa]

yeah i know that's why i said if i had the tactical assessment blueprints LOL

[smoky latch]

IDC about the bleed, it's the TS stacks

Everything dies to quick anyway that you cannot keep the stacks up enough

[atomic turtle]

Just play Master.

Or Heroic Countdown.

[grand girder]

pretty sure 808% is possible

525 from tipping 50 from redline overdrive 13 from grupo brand 200 from backfire 20 from watch (also added bonus probably coyotes for 25%? i think cant remember been too long since I've used it)

If i got coyotes right on 25% then its 833%

[meager mesa]

technically can't you get 35% from coyote's if multiple people are running

[grand girder]

ahh true I've only looked at it from a solo standpoint

also pretty sure I missed 15% chd from backfire attachment so 848%

[atomic turtle]

Now we're just missing a specialization that gives 152% passive CHD for free. lmao

mfw devs actually balance their games and don't give us broken builds with no trade-off.

Cyrlo, I want the HB days to come back. 😩

[meager mesa]

what's the assessment needed for gloves again

[grand girder]

true sons?!?! maybe not 100% on that

[meager mesa]

no true sons is ar and backpack

[grand girder]

it's been a minute since I've actually played the game

cleaners maybe? idk been too long sorry

[atomic turtle]

I think Chest is BTSU is all I remember.

[meager mesa]

either way i have to farm so many assessments again dude

[grand girder]

riparonie, you would have loved mules

[meager mesa]

is it really worth over just running coyote's

[atomic turtle]

Oh, it's cleaners.

[meager mesa]

omg it's cleaners i may have to dome myself

[grand girder]

a lowest possible rolled overdogs is still better than coyotes

you can't beat that 30% amp damage

[meager mesa]

can't even farm them in dc

[versed summit]

Depends on uptime

[atomic turtle]

Not really. 30% amp damage on OD is massive. Like... really huge. 100% uptime used right, and still over 50% on average.

The most annoying thing about OD is memorizing the tier hierarchy.

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message Almost 800% no Redline Overdrive

[versed summit]

Its content dependent. 50% is generous for some content.

Its fine for heroic

[meager mesa]

i can't even tell if t3 is the lowest or if t1 is the lowest they made it so vague

[atomic turtle]

??? That's not how it works. Overdogs is always active what are you talking about?

It's not Veterancy related. It's the archetype of the enemies.

An Elite Assault will take more damage from OD than a Red Medic.

[versed summit]

Yes and if you have skill proxies or assaulters screwing off, you're not going to have any amp damage until you get to them

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, so you kill them and move up the ladder? It's not hard.

Target Prioritization is a thing.

[versed summit]

Except it's the opposite of efficient target prioritization

[meager mesa]

i have a skill issue so i just have to shoot at the nearest enemy first idk man

[versed summit]

And there's only so much you can do to control it

[atomic turtle]

A majority of the enemies you face are in the lower tiers, when they die fast you move up the ladder fast.

It's pretty straightforward, if you ask me.

[meager mesa]

but like doesn't that also mean that like if a boss is the only enemy on the field you just do 30% more dmg to them

[silent storm]

Killing medic boxes is a priority

[atomic turtle]

Yes.

[versed summit]

Depends on the content, and when they die quickly anyways...

[meager mesa]

lmao

[versed summit]

Not really. If you can kill the support who deployed it that's far more efficient. And if they put it behind cover it's out of your control

[pine monolith]

Guessing best attribute for chatterbox is DTEOC?

[atomic turtle]

No it doesn't depend on the Content, whatever enemy is the lowest tier, is going to die faster each time, this is non-negotiable. That's literally how the talent works. There's always going to be a lowest tier active.

[versed summit]

Yep

[silent storm]

Killing the medic is also a priority

Bombers, Droners and Medics should always die first

[versed summit]

Different content has different ad compositions, and following Overdogs tiers can be counterintuitive to dealing with the high threat enemies

[versed summit]

Yeah I agree. That's why Overdogs is counterintuitive

[surreal elk]

so are overdogs any good actually?

[versed summit]

Its fine for heroic and incursion

[atomic turtle]

Which is fine, because a majority are going to fall in the lower tiers anyway, the fact is that 30% amp damage with over half uptime is still better than Coyotes which only gives 25% CHD in ideal conditions.

[silent storm]

Overdogs are BiS DPS gloves

[versed summit]

You typically build for the mid buff.

The majority of ads are in the lowest tier, but they're also the weakest enemies, so it's minimal gains vs prioritizing being able to do more damage against the highest threat targets.

Let's take legendary DUA, what targets are you needing to kill first?

[silent storm]

Throwers and Drones are tier order

[versed summit]

The drones themselves, not the controller

[atomic turtle]

Yes, I deally the Medics, Drone Ops, Throwers, Mini-tanks, etc. Not the assault or skill proxies. But that doesn't matter, because my point is that since you kill them so fast, you also move up that ladder even faster.

And if you build for the mid buff, I would argue it's still worse over 30% amp damage.

If you can make the split second decision that the medics or whatever higher-tiered enemy is inaccessible at the moment, you keep killing the lower tiers to reduce pressure.

[atomic turtle]

That's what decoy is for, so the drones take themselves out and you don't have to worry about it as much.

[versed summit]

Mathematically 30 amp is better, but the uptime is the issue.

The problem is for hard content, you don't want to move up the ladder, you want to kill the highest threat enemies first. If a medic, or drone controller, warhound, mini tank, or chunga is alive to long they're going to be more problematic then a couple assaulters and rushers you can already kill quickly.

Having amp damage against grenaders off the rip is nice, but doesn't make up for all the other high threat archetypes.

[versed summit]

Decoy is nice, but depending on the engagement it may not be up long enough, and doesn't really solve the problem its more of a workaround

[junior lagoon]

What is the correct way with bluescreen, overdogs and nd? I generally tag 2-3 guys and then focus on boss? Is this the right way?

[subtle bluff]

It's the way I run it. Bosses ND just sucks again in geneal.

[atomic turtle]

Yes, but you're saying it yourself.

"more problematic than assaulters or rushers you can already kill quickly"

The gloves just make you kill them faster and get to the higher tiers faster. Hence the 30% amp applies to the higher tiers sooner. Yes, some skill proxies can be problematic, so you need to shift priorities at times, the uptime on average, even those cases, is still high enough that giving up that 30% amp is still a big loss. That's the point I'm making. Compared to CHD or CHC which you only need so much of before you start feeling diminishing returns because 130 CHD is already good enough anyway. You need amplifiers aside from CHD so the calculations can stack exponentially.

The decoy is just an example to buy time. The same way Riot Foam buys time.

Player skill is also subjective and OD in the right hands is monstrous, regardless of composition or encounter. Especially if they make a really good play. Speedrunners already bully Legendary anyway with Regulus.

[lone glacier]

Oh god I just saw a "TS Tempest with Harrier Pride" build on YouTube

[summer totem]

How much should i be dealing using st elmo with strikers

Like what's the standard damage for it

[atomic turtle]

Like 700K? Somewhere in that range.

Can be much more depending on talents being used.

Like Sacrifice or Obliterate.

[summer totem]

Oh not a mil? Thank god thought i was building it wrong when i only reached 800k crit proc max stacks

[atomic turtle]

Are you usually equalizer?

[grand girder]

I mean when you factor in expertise 1mil is normal yeah

[summer totem]

Yes

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, I would say 900K-1M is normal at max stacks, yeah, give or a take a few variables.

[subtle bluff]

if you're on elmo you're DPS isn't gonna be anything special

[hexed steppe]

i mean, elmo striker still melts pretty well even if there are stronger options

[rocky pagoda]

Any brand or gear set I should focus for being a medic?

[subtle bluff]

like a support?

[rocky pagoda]

Like that yeah

[grizzled loom]

I use FI and also refactor. The skill damage allows you to deal damage while also healing

[versed summit]

That doesn't make any sense. I don't need to kill the lower tiers faster, I need to kill the higher tiers faster.

Overdogs just doesn't work in some encounters, its just the only place it actually matters is legendary and raids.

Capitol and Roosevelt boss are great examples for different reasons. Capitol boss has lunchboxes around the map. That means you're never going to get above tier 3. For Roosevelt, if you don't kill the marauders ASAP they 100% will kill you. Those are places your DPS against high threat targets actually matters.

Diminshing returns is only a partial factor for what attribute or talent to take, the other is the actual amount you get and both combined get you a real world number, for most intents and purposes, that shows the amount of DPS it actually gives.

In calculations, coyotes is giving around an 8% DPS increase iirc. So even at 50% uptime, Overdogs gives a significant boost in in DPS to coyotes.

In gameplay, the issue is where you need damage the most, you're not getting it. You can play around this, but it's just not as effective.

[lone violet]

😭

[placid stag]

I've read here so many times that St Elmos isn't the boss.
What AR is/are, then?
For legendary/incursions

[grizzled loom]

elmos is just very good and consistent overall. It depends on what you're looking for

[solar sable]

it isnt the best dmg AR btw

[placid stag]

That's what I meant - I've read it isn't.
Then what are the alternatives?

[solar sable]

for incursion the BiS weapon is Backfire
for raids it's any 790+ RPM AR as far as I know

[versed summit]

General content a high end ar with killer or measured will perform a little better DPS wise. ^

[placid stag]

Incursion - Backfire, cause a healer mitigates the damage?

[flint arch]

me laughing with PVGC Striker until a bullet grazes me and i die instantly

[versed summit]

That and long enough engagements to go immune to the bleed.

[hearty owl]

Someone with a brain 😍

Overdogs is overrated and applying it partially to your DPS calculation is idiotic 🙂

[silent storm]

What is with all the anti-Overdog propaganda recently?

[placid stag]

Is it possibly that natural urge to fight the meta?

@near saffron wishes me dead now?
We just met!

[hearty owl]

You’re right it’s propaganda

[hexed steppe]

even at 0 uptime you really arent losing a lot using overdogs.... generally you get a decent uptime tho ...

[hearty owl]

How do you know that you’re generally getting decent uptime. That’s a pretty big assumption

[hexed steppe]

personally, im using nego and prioriting so i transfer the amp to the higher tier. all your low tiers are also generally gonna die faster regardless and the amp then applies to the higher tiers in a single target scenario

[silent storm]

I know what I am shooting

[hexed steppe]

also its like an amp you arent getting anywhere else... why look a gift horse in the mouth?

[hearty owl]

Great! You’re using it to 100% efficiency then. Most people are advised here to just shoot randomly which is where the issue is. Also if you read what ICS30 wrote, he mentions that in some scenarios you have to shoot something that won’t benefit from the Overdogs buff. If you know that you won’t have the buff for what you’re prioritizing, then it’s not worth running

If any sort of target prioritization is required you cannot assume Overdogs will have a “decent uptime”

[hexed steppe]

im kinda using the same logic with why you would use over dogs the same way someone would be against using ninja over vigilance bag... not using dogs, you get a single set bonus, or another exotic... does it gain more in most circumstances? same logic as not using ninja for a few set bonuses over something like vigilance, you wouldnt..

[silent storm]

The thing with TS is that the backpack is worth it as you get more DMG out of it that any other BP. Same with ND and can make the case for Striker as well. So by not using OvD you are gimping yourself on 3 of the top DPS roles

[hexed steppe]

what is the range assumption when figuring an 8% bonus with coyotes?

[versed summit]

Mid

[hexed steppe]

since used as example, would murauders fall in that range?

either the spot close to where you hop the wall, or from the boat?

[versed summit]

Generally no

[hexed steppe]

so as a comparison its kinda not great then... what would be the goto, fox's, ceska, grupo? it seems kinda pointless not to have the ability to deal a lot of extra damage to some npcs, up to and including all. there are always gonna be thorns even when you have high tier priority targets and being able to dispatch them faster is still a benefit

[atomic turtle]

I was downstairs what I miss? I have a ping.

[hexed steppe]

sawyers are top tier now

[solar sable]

here ^

[atomic turtle]

Fkin hell did I miss a Year's worth of content? Is Y8 over already?

[flint arch]

they added prototype gear recal and optimization, and iKia returned to div 2

also, manhunt happened in washington national airport

[atomic turtle]

lmao

[versed summit]

I'd still put more value into being able to optimize DPS for the tankiest enemies there, but there is a utility gain from Overdogs

[atomic turtle]

If you clean the field of lower tier enemies faster, you leave only the higher tiers left. It's pretty straightforward.

Yes Overdogs don't offer as much value in some encounters, but they do in enough encounters that it outweighs Coyote's by a large margin.

For Capitol's boss, you can have 3 people sit in the tent while you knock out the boxes in seconds. It really doesn't take that long to do.

The Marauders are also a joke. You can drop a decoy and make a break for it to the boat. Do that and they can't effectively target you at all. Some bullets and a missile or two might make their way in, but they struggle so much to hit you that most of the time they end up flying helplessly above you while the team just eviscerates them, because guess what, players can actually aim straight up.

You still get the value of OD here because enemies keep spawning for a bit, and a lot of them are lower tiers that will, with enough numbers, add enough pressure to cause cracks in your team. Someone needs to control them. You're still getting value out of OD here.

Medics are useless when their drone dies, and if they have to go out in the open to revive an NPC, they can be picked off cleanly. Drone Operators and Throwers are still easily distracted by Decoys or left helpless with Riot Foam for long enough that you can make a play. Or someone else on the team can draw aggro momentarily so you can make the kill or flank.

Anyway this is all beside the point. That's just abusing AI behaviors. And if you know how to exploit behaviors, what makes them threatening is a non-issue. Part of the reason the tent strat in Capitol is so effective despite being so stupid, slow, and better strats existing, is because the AI rarely pushes enough to even climb inside. They just end up running in circles helplessly, trying to find a spot they can shoot you from. Heavies don't even try to climb over most times. They just keep strafing side to side, trying to figure out how to shoot you.

OD is useful enough in a majority of situations that swapping them for Coyote's is fairly worse, in my humble opinion. I would rather have a an OD that's 50% uptime on average than a Coyote's with 8% DPS increase based on a range buff you're also not always going to be in.

It's not just about OD being better in raw damage being applied properly, but how that one Exotic slot you're given can be used. And for raw DPS power, I can't see many things competing with Overdogs fairly. The same way Memento can't. Or DCH. It's not just what you give up but what you gain in return. And I don't believe the value of Coyote's is as good OD.

Text wall btw. I regret nothing.

What would help a lot of OD users is have an Icon over enemy heads that displays which are the lowest ranking NPCs in active combat.

Likewise, such an icon would be a big help to people who also use Shroud.

[hearty owl]

I think he knows how to play endgame content

That wasn't his point and suggesting tent strat on Capitol is just 😐

[atomic turtle]

It wasn't much of a suggestion as it was a demonstration.

My point with that is the AI in this game is dumb. Multiple NPCs could just run into that tent and melee people to death, but they don't.
They kind of just keep walking in circles shooting into this one corner of the map, making zero progress while bad players whittle them down.

[hearty owl]

Have you ever sat through footage of a run and checked OD uptime?

[silent storm]

I've never had a problem destroying the quads on Rose from the drop in point. Minute tops to drop them then it's just mopping up everything else.

[hearty owl]

I haven't seen any REAL numbers on it ever

Someone should sit through a dien.aka.kim Legendary run video and check how many times he would have Overdogs procced. Since dien probably has a good idea on what needs to be killed first

@onyx sage new video idea

[atomic turtle]

Hey, I'd be down to watch.

[flint arch]

i don't think dien uses overdogs that much actually

[hearty owl]

Yes! I wonder why!!!!!!!!

[flint arch]

oh wait does he use it with nego?

[hearty owl]

Hmmmmmmmmm why does dien not use it 🤔

[flint arch]

But when he needs to use Striker, he always opts for PVGC Striker and not even PGC Striker w/ Overdogs

[solar sable]

he said he doesnt like ovd and even less bc they almost got him killed

[flint arch]

ah

okay i checked his nego build in his videos, it seems to be... not even contractor's, it's just providence gloves

oh wait that's an older video

in his most recent video in zoo, it's Sacrifice w/ Salvo

[solar sable]

frenzy shenanigans

[flint arch]

oh yeah frenzy

[onyx sage]

i only used overdogs on a hotshot build and that's it

i don't use it for any other time because some of my strats directly conflict with overdogs

[hearty owl]

strats aka target priority

[onyx sage]

but i also understand in most content it doesn't matter

it just matters especially in this kind of content with preset spawns

[hearty owl]

what content doesnt have preset spawns

[flint arch]

summit i guess

[onyx sage]

i mean where you have 2 chungas coming out of a door you can shoot and a bunch of tier 3 in narnia

[hearty owl]

open world maybe?

[versed summit]

You don't want to clear those enemies first you want to clear the high threat enemies. I guess if the tier 1 medic revives all the tier 3 enemies you killed you'll get a really good uptime on Overdogs.

It can outweigh it in content where it doesn't matter what you use. Legendary can be far less forgiving.

Suggesting tent strat speaks volumes. You should never need to actually destroy any heal boxes, it's a waste of time when you can out damage the heal on the ads. Not sure how you're getting a line of site on all the health boxes "in seconds" from the tent, but whatever.

OK so your strategy for the marauders is to run your the boat and do less damage to them.

Medics aren't useless with their drone dead. In hectic rooms they can easily pick up enemies that you had limited LoS on, so you can get spammed by a droner or grenadier you already dealt with.

Drone ops and throwers can be distracted with a decoy, but your uptime on it is limited, and best used to actually deal with them instead of the low threat ads.

So you're foaming them... Because you need to kill them... Which overdogs doesn't help with.

The tent strategy is incredibly ineffective.

[flint arch]

sorry for the ghost ping dien

[subtle bluff]

I read tent. 🤢

[flint arch]

so i guess truck gave me bad strats for capitol

[olive dew]

What builds are a good direction to go to for solo legendary content in general?

[subtle bluff]

Ahh. What's REALLLY bad I keep forgetting to take off overdogs for last section of lelggo capitol.... But ND doesn't care. lol

[onyx sage]

striker with memento is a good starter build for it

[subtle bluff]

To note a build won't solely carry you thru solo leggo.
But like mentioned above

[flint arch]

nah go full red PVGC Striker. go big or go home /j

[versed summit]

Toasteyxgod on YouTube has some great solo legendary guides. It's as much about Strats as build.

I really don't recommend doing unless it's for the challenge though. Doing them in a group is a far easier and faster way to complete them.

[olive dew]

Well I see a mixed variety of builds used and I've got full red striker dogs but I feel like I get caught sometimes and destroyed in seconds

[onyx sage]

that's normal

knowing the spawns and the encounters in general is expected

[subtle bluff]

You need a mix balance of a build, gameplay and knowledge to get thru solo leggo.

[versed summit]

Overdogs is obviously the problem /j

[flint arch]

can't duo leggo if someone keeps screwing up aviary spawns or fire nading the door sir

or alerting the 2nd area of enemies as they run in sir

[versed summit]

Special place in heck for those people

[flint arch]

i guess im going to heck
(not the fire nade part, i didn't do that)

also reviving someone without hotswapping to birdie's

[buoyant perch]

Best to let Dien solo aviary in a duo run

[flint arch]

I eventually learned that in some places with specific strats that aren't just "shoot enemy", I stay behind

[onyx sage]

wah, you don't always shoot the enemy? that's too unintuitive!!

[flint arch]

I'm going to upload random images of builds I made with silly descriptions

also @onyx sage rate my crap HHF gameplay with determined harvest sir

[solar sable]

sir, your vid doesnt load

[subtle bluff]

on that note.....
https://buildstation.app/td2/profile/ImMrChow

[solar sable]

😭

[onyx sage]

although it is pro, i'm sorry........

[flint arch]

i know sir, i will beat myself on the head sir

[solar sable]

NOT THE DETERMINED

[flint arch]

I CAN'T HIT HEADSHOTS OKAY

[grand girder]

gotta run turmoil if you're cheesing with determined anyway

[flint arch]

I TRIED WITH REGULUS AND I KEPT DYING 😭

[solar sable]

GIT GUD CORRUPT
(i cant either)

[surreal elk]

is creeping death any good for bluescreen and directive?

[flint arch]

I need more headshot practice with Mantis sir 😭

[subtle bluff]

Status Effect that doesn't a way to scale it's Base numbers (aka Skill Base) don't do enough to invest into it.

[flint arch]

but i can't run vigilance backpack with turmoil and chainkiller sir

[grand girder]

Don't need HF if its determined harvest lmao

[flint arch]

[grand girder]

just run a full HE with turms

[flint arch]

wait can you recal turmoil

[onyx sage]

no

[grand girder]

nah but 3pc imminence, dch and eagles grasp (extra bullet) turmoil will do the same thing but two kills per shot

[flint arch]

[mild jolt]

can someone help me i keep seeing people have 2 headshot damage on attributes on their stuff sometimes 3 headshot damage or weapon damage how do i get those?

[flint arch]

that's a gear mod

[atomic turtle]

^

You can't roll HSD twice natively.

[mild jolt]

you can only tinker once right?

[atomic turtle]

You can get a brand set like Providence Defence, or Habsburg which has HSD as a brand bonus, then the attribute, then the mod.

[atomic turtle]

Yep. When you do, you're locked to that specific attribute slot.

[mild jolt]

so if im farming i should be looking out for 1 attirbute iwth headshot and a mod?

[atomic turtle]

Masks, Chests, and Backpacks always carry a mod slot. You just need to find a HSD mod to put into it.

[soft crane]

I rather interested knowing why theres hazpro attribute in there. Its optimized so whoever using it definitely has a purpose for it.

[atomic turtle]

It also depends. If this is for a sniper build, you either want Providence Defense or Airladi Holdings for the backpack, and ideally the talent should be Vigilance. There's a bit of RNG to it.

[fleet gulch]

Is it ever worth going weapon handling over crit damage for third stat? I really like having the better accuracy, stability, and reload speed.

[atomic turtle]

For a Sniper build, yes. Not as much for a crit build.

[buoyant perch]

No, one mod on the gun can add like 30% accuracy or stability

[atomic turtle]

Usually weapon mods can make up for any uhh... what's the word for it? Inadequacies?

[blissful remnant]

yall think this would be good for a strikers build?

[fleet gulch]

@atomic turtle @buoyant perch I'm using St. Elmo's Engine, can't mod it.

[soft crane]

You cant mod exotic weapons sir.

[atomic turtle]

St. Elmo's is pretty stable and accurate already, isn't it?

[atomic turtle]

Roll the CHD for DTOC, should be fine.

[soft crane]

Yea just replace its CHD attribute to DTOOC.

[buoyant perch]

That's already one of the best handling guns in the game

[blissful remnant]

Im still farming for an SMG with DTOOC

but until then itll do ig

[soft crane]

For library? Good luck with that.

[fleet gulch]

@atomic turtle @buoyant perch I still see a very noticable difference with 8% weapon handling, which my current chest has. It's actually the reload speed increase I like the most too.

[atomic turtle]

If that's what you're comfortable with, use it.

[fleet gulch]

That said, my crit stats seem to be considerably higher with my old loadout, so maybe not worth switching to this new one with Overdogs over Coyote just yet?

[atomic turtle]

Your crit stats are lower overall because gear sets limit you a bit. But Striker's talent is enough to compensate for that. Coyote's is fine for group play and the DPS is more consistent. OD is better for raw damage that comes in spikes because of how the talent works, but you can play with either fine.

[soft crane]

Oh right speaking of Overdogs, i need to optimize it.

You can recalibrate and optimize exotic items with their blueprints right?

[atomic turtle]

You can reconfigure exotics, but that rerolls all the stats.

[soft crane]

That i already know, it will also change the sub attribute for exotic weapons.

[fleet gulch]

Ah I see, it's the 8% crit chance from the old chest I'm losing. Is Equalizer still way better though?

[atomic turtle]

I'd say that as long as you can keep your CHC around 55% give or take, you'll be fine.

I'd personally settle for 50% minimum.

[mild jolt]

thank you @atomic turtle

[atomic turtle]

Aww you edited it. I was going to be a toy.

Action figure moment.

[soft crane]

What?

[fleet gulch]

Yeah looks like I'm at 56% right now with the Equalizer and maxed Coyote. I also don't have any crit from SHD levels so, it's naturally gonna get better over time too.

[atomic turtle]

Ye

[tall jackal]

pgc

[wary salmon]

Assuming I'm not doing Striker, but I'm looking for a solid DPS build, should I just keep trying to improve upon my current build of Coyote, 3 Providence, 1 Grupo, Fox's kneepads?

some godrolls but can get better. Need me a good Vector too\

[limpid pelican]

i'm assuming it's low weapon handling that attributes to sniper bullets flying in random directions, or is that the gun's accuracy

[hazy steeple]

@limpid pelican Sort of.
"Weapon Handling" in div2 is 4 stats in 1, them being Accuracy (reticule bloom)/Stability (vertical kick)/Reload speed /Swap-speed.
With MMR's in particular, if you get them to 100% Stability, your shot will always go to where the reticule is, even when firing blind.

You can see the stats in your Stats tab.

[limpid pelican]

I see, that makes a bit more sense. thanks

[hazy steeple]

No worries, Agent. Sniping in div2 can be a little weird, as bullets don't have travel time.

[limpid pelican]

striker is a really good build to have at least 2 variants of, one with strikers chestpiece and one with equalizer chestpiece. your high end dps build is mainly for the scenarios where you want instantaneous dps from the beginning. so they all play a good role, its just where you use them

[atomic turtle]

Which is really funny because aren't bullets supposed to be projectiles in Div 2? Not hitscan?

[onyx sage]

they are hitscan

[hazy steeple]

Honestly forgot that word, ta.

[atomic turtle]

I remember being told years ago they were projectiles, but because hits no longer register past a certain point there wasn't any way for me to tell the difference.

[onyx sage]

that's just the bullet limit, they disappear at 100m

[hazy steeple]

just like IRL when you fire a bullet up in the air!

[atomic turtle]

The bullet genie stole my bullet!

[wary salmon]

I see the ceiling is higher with Striker, I just don't know if I want to commit to having to consistently keep stacks up, seeing as I just returned to the game, I might be a little garbage lol. Which SMGs should I go after? Already have a couple perfect AUGs but just curious

[limpid pelican]

converted smg-9 is really good as a secondary

[flint arch]

keeping stacks is not as hard as it sounds, regular shooting is more than enough

[limpid pelican]

yeah you'd only run into that problem when using the chest piece and thats very situational

[flint arch]

I think I've never used the chest outside the firing range tbh

[solar sable]

striker stacks are obtained by hitting an enemy with your bullets, it's not a hard stacking system after all

[limpid pelican]

speaking of doomz they posted a really good high end dps build recently. i threw it together and have been enjoying it

[flint arch]

but doomz is here

[flint arch]

also wait so you're using PGC and Vigilance

[solar sable]

I'll leave if that's what you want 🥹

[flint arch]

[buoyant perch]

What if I miss all the bullets

[flint arch]

😩 PVGC user detected, goated

[solar sable]

negative stacks, you heal enemies

[flint arch]

no come back sir

you still need to carry me in legendary tidal basin sir

[buoyant perch]

[atomic turtle]

This is the problem with using striker's chest: #ask-td2-community message

[solar sable]

I'm not coming back to that place

[flint arch]

I will ask dien to carry us and truck to be a truck sir

[limpid pelican]

is this bis marksman damage or could it be upgraded at all? assuming no headhunter just instant damage preferred

[solar sable]

you will then have two trucks and two dps

[solar sable]

Airaldi bag instead of Habs aband Chainkiller

[flint arch]

PGC on a hotshot build is cursed

Get Chainkiller

[atomic turtle]

I can carry you on my back with birdie's while someone else clears the mission if that works for you?

[limpid pelican]

i've been using it in countdown its hella fun, you hit like 26m on hunters

[onyx sage]

no

[flint arch]

you will deal way more with headhunter

[onyx sage]

he knows it. he's been here

[flint arch]

but sir!

[limpid pelican]

you dont get headhunter procced from spawn silly

[atomic turtle]

It would seem Dien has declined your advances.

[solar sable]

I will buy dienhax to get his attention

[atomic turtle]

I have an idea, Corrupt. Put on your classified striker loadout. Maybe that will entice him?

[flint arch]

5000000 gift subs

[flint arch]

[crimson spruce]

I just watched this video for a Hunter's Fury build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNus14IoUl0

And this is my slapped together build which is in part just using a hodgepodge of stuff I've found so far, not exactly optimised.
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwVgtKYEzRYAwKYly3wFwnK4tgDMqxsJKWiMB+YBeZ66Ghci9jDZGALG0u5w7IMBAJysJgqRihQA7GG5gAbOIAcaOco4YpQzEQ0tg3auGDjleOdS5ye1jWupzxXYDGM4OQA
I think I'm missing something because on paper I should be doing a comparable amount. I'd like to think I have a good grasp of the mathematics involved.

• I have more red cores and base damage than in the video. (+46% relative to video)
• My crit is not exactly optimised; going for body shots. (-49% relative to video)
• Ignore my Striker's Shield, and calculate it as multiplicative per enemy. (5 enemies, -35%)
• No TDW. DTOC cancels out, Hunter's Fury amping cancels out.
• Multiplying out (1.45 * 0.51 * 0.65) gives me 48.07% damage versus the video.
• Even accounting for imperfect weapon rolls, that should only reduce it down to around 40% of damage at worst, compared to the video.

At the 6:20 mark he is deleting a whole group of mobs in two magazines on Legendary, including two Elites. Meanwhile, I'm dumping a full mag to barely kill a Veteran. That is much more than a 52% disparity. That is closer to 1% damage. At the range, going for body shots at 10m, I can pull 2mil damage per ** second** while this video is pulling 2mil damage per shot. Clearly I'm missing something. What's going on under the hood?

[flint arch]

stop following youtube, full of clickbait

[atomic turtle]

The guy opens up in the video about using Assault G.E. which giga buffs damage. Do you have that enabled?

[flint arch]

oh lmao

[crimson spruce]

Look, I know it's clickbait. But that's beside the point. I did the math, and the math just ain't mathing. I fully recognise I shouldn't expect to deal 10mil DPS. But when I've done the math, I don't see it.

[flint arch]

You know what, that's more honest than most clickbait divtubers

[crimson spruce]

Oh, I missed that. Lemme re-calculate that.

[atomic turtle]

Yeah. lol

[flint arch]

Usually they just tell you "THIS BUILD DOES INSANE DAMAGE" and not mention any GEs or overdrives at all

Anyway here's a Hunter's Fury build guide that will give you builds that actually work even outside GEs

[flint arch]

🤢

[atomic turtle]

🤢

[flint arch]

Nightwatcher... Ninjabike... Belstone...

Emeline's Guard...

[crimson spruce]

@flint arch look, i've been here just long enough to know you have a disdain for a bunch of those. but that's beside the point, okay? i recognise my build sucks, but the math just still isn't mathing.

[onyx sage]

is this the build you're comparing to?

(sorry forgot to paste)

[limpid pelican]

anyone have the numbers on how achilles pulse scales?

[crimson spruce]

yes, i have calculated using that image for layering. That's usually one of the first things I look for when trying to theorycraft numbers and stuff for all sorts of games.

[onyx sage]

it's just (1 + hsd) * (1 + achillesExpertise)

[limpid pelican]

ty

[atomic turtle]

This game is so overengineered with damage attributes, lmao.

[onyx sage]

so explain how you arrived at 1.45 * 0.51 * 0.65, like explain what each number means, so i can understand more about your reasoning

[crimson spruce]

basically where i'm at: Video has 100 apples. I have 13% of that many apples. 13% of 100 apparently equals a measly one apple.

[onyx sage]

that will give me some ground to start with

[atomic turtle]

Mm. Apples.

An apple a day keeps the btsu away.

[flint arch]

you did account for the GE right? it triples your damage at the end

[bold forum]

are skill build offensive viable for endgame content ? i saw someone doing retal using a damage mine headhunter build

[atomic turtle]

Vile Eclipse with Firestarter Chem is good fun.

[onyx sage]

i don't think the mine is carrying for that build, it's headhunter

the mine just makes them jump and acts as a form of soft CC

[bold forum]

no i mean the little mine that divide hitself and track people to explode

[onyx sage]

i know, that's what i'm talking about

[limpid pelican]

yes u can effectively keep turrets shooting at ur teammates in endgame countdown at all times

[onyx sage]

headhunter is doing the heavy lifting, not the mine

[flint arch]

I dunno I prefer Exuro for literal friendly fire

[bold forum]

the guys in question was running that build yeah full skill damage + cooldown

[atomic turtle]

@hexed steppe Want to convert another into your psychotic club?

[limpid pelican]

ill keep that in mind

[bold forum]

and was basically spaming mine doing 3.5mil per explosion every few sec

[flint arch]

360 noscope your fellow agents

[crimson spruce]

1.45 is the relative damage from red cores. Red cores and +SMG/+Shotgun from Hunter's Fury level 2. He has 1 red core (+15%) and the weapon bonuses (+30%) for a total of +45%. I have 4 red cores (+60%) and +30% weapon bonuses for total of +90% aaand okay I've found another error, I forgot to add his +30% for weapon damage. So (1.9 / 1.45 = 1.31) so on that layer I am doing 31% more damage (not 45%).

Because it's calculated independently, this section can be isolated, which you're probably aware of.

[onyx sage]

1.45 isn't the right way to say that you have 3 more red cores than someone else. if i have let's say the standard red build with max watch, max spec bonus and 0 expertise, my weapon damage multiplier is 2.3. if you have 3 less than that it'd be 1.85. 2.3 / 1.85 is going to be less than 1.45.

1 (base) + 0.9 (6 red cores) + 0.1 (watch) + 0.15 (spec bonus) + 0.15 (gun)

irrespective of all this, you are aware he has the Assault GE on yes? that quite literally triples his damage so you're looking at inflated numbers if you're not aware that he has it on and you don't. just so you don't get confused over it

[crimson spruce]

0.51 is relative crit damage. (at this point i redid numbers to set me as 0 watch levels since they're negligible on my end.)

0.69 * 0.45 = 0.31 bonus damage from crit (31%)
2.65 * 0.60 = 1.56 video bonus damage from crit (156%) (base + Perfect Killer proc)

Add in base damage (100%) and you get (1.31 / 2.56 = 0.51)

[onyx sage]

i don't know where the 0.69 and 0.45 came from

[crimson spruce]

0.69 is my crit damage (69%), 0.45 is 45% chance to crit. likewise for the video.

[onyx sage]

but in any case, you want to find their total values and figure out from there, the example i did above is for weapon damage multiplier for example

[onyx sage]

okay so on this you're trying to compare average crit yes?

[crimson spruce]

yes, that is correct, average crit/dps.

[onyx sage]

1. you want to compare the crit multiplier which is *1+*chc*chd, yours is without the 1+. you need to add 1.
2. more importantly, don't use the range DPS tracker. it is bugged as all hell and will not showing you an accurate reading for your DPS. you're best just calculating it yourself

wait you are already adding 1, ignore that point

okay that number makes sense, let's go to 0.65

[crimson spruce]

oh yeah, i already know the range DPS tracker is inaccurate. but that's just a side point because I'm using relative calculations, which really don't need exact numbers for damage

[onyx sage]

yeah i get that

[subtle bluff]

There's a very good and simple calculator for DPS in pinned messages

[onyx sage]

he doesn't need it. he's only computing the differing multipliers

[subtle bluff]

copy

[onyx sage]

which is what i'm helping him with

[crimson spruce]

Striker's Shield gives a bonus for each enemy in front of you. 2% base + (1 + 1 + 5 mods) = 9%.

1.09^5 enemies = 1.5386
1 - (1 / 1.5386) = 0.6499 rounded to 0.65

I recognise it's probably additive and not multiplicative

[onyx sage]

striker shield actually is an additive multiplier, not exponential

so it's 1 + 0.09 * 5

[crimson spruce]

I went with multiplicative (exponential) because that makes my damage look worse. This is intentional. If I throw in little fudges to lower my relative damage, then I arrive at a realistic lower bound for what my damage should be. Basically, after all the calculations are done, I should know that that is lower than the minimum damage I could be doing. But I'm actually doing less than even that.

[onyx sage]

still, it's not accurate

i know what you're getting at tho, I'm saying the difference is in the other parts

[crimson spruce]

(Or to simplify: 100 * 0.5 = 50, so I'll round my DPS to 49 to give some leeway.)

[onyx sage]

the biggest source of your confusion is the GE probably

[crimson spruce]

Google AI gave me "200% damage" for the Assault event, which I treated as a +200% amp which is the method that most significantly reduces my relative damage. That's where I got to 0.13 above... and I'm still not even doing that.

[onyx sage]

more like 0.33333...

but anyways here are the missing pieces:

• different weapon (ouro vs emeline)
• weapon damage multiplier
• chest talent difference (spotter vs intimidate)

[crimson spruce]

Slightly revised figures:

1.31 * 0.51 * 0.65 = 43.43%, divide by 3 for global event gives 14.48%

[hazy steeple]

Google AI is about as accurate as..... a thing that's not accurate.
Not my best analogy.

[onyx sage]

you're running spotter which is 1.15, he's running perfect intimidate which is 1.49, quite drastic difference to knock out the last point

the other 2 are slightly more complicated but can't be ignored

[crimson spruce]

weapon damage multiplier was already softly accounted for. 1.10/1.15 is basically a rounding error.

Different weapon... I've seen the tables in some other spreadsheet. Maybe 1.00/1.15 for base values.
0.83 for both different weapon and weapon core attribute.

Forgot about the chest talent, fair.
1.15/1.4 = 0.82.

[onyx sage]

it's not really a rounding error tho... memento gives a LOT of weapon damage compared to ninjabike

he has the long term buff maxed which is already a 30% weapon damage difference

[crimson spruce]

ah... Memento. didn't factor that in either.

[onyx sage]

yeah so you can see how many things you missed so far

[crimson spruce]

okay, so there's another source of why my math ain't matching.

[onyx sage]

so to summarize all this, you should take a look at the damage formula infographic posted above.

and reposted here

you really need to be careful with making too quick comparisons like this. take more time

[crimson spruce]

so now i'm at 0.1448 * 0.83 * 0.82 = 0.0986 (9.86% damage)

That might be more realistic I guess.

[onyx sage]

the weapon damage and the chest talent difference are the biggest suspects and as i suspected these are the same pitfalls you had

[crimson spruce]

Oh no no, I have the calculations correct. This was never a question of the numbers and how they were calculated. This was a question of which numbers am I missing.

[onyx sage]

okay good, just making sure

[crimson spruce]

Or to make another analogy:

You have 100 apples. You lose half of them. You now have 25 apples. There might be a hidden step along the way but you don't know what they are. (Now make a post on Discord asking others what those missing steps are.)

[atomic turtle]

This entire conversation is giving me flashbacks.

[onyx sage]

I'm confused on both of them

[subtle bluff]

I'm kind of track then get losted.

[crimson spruce]

I'm guessing that PvP skill damage is set to only 20% of PvE damage at base. That would make sense of how 20->25 becomes a 25% damage increase.

[onyx sage]

anyways some of the talents in this game are kinda wack. intimidate and HF kill stacks are the only 2 exponential buffs in the game. the others are all linear stacking

striker and HB were at some point exponential but they were changed

[atomic turtle]

💀

[onyx sage]

i feel for compassghost

[crimson spruce]

honestly the disparity between DPS and non-DPS damage numbers is far too great for my liking.

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[atomic turtle]

Reading through that old conversation split my sides, holy fk.

Anyone who wants to see funny old 25% argument here's the link: #td2-general-chat message

[unkempt terrace]

i been meaning to ask the pulse scanner also work for flatline?

or do i need the technician laser pointer?

[subtle bluff]

Yes

No but it's kind better not to waste a skill for pulse imio.

[onyx sage]

pulse alone won't be 100% uptime unlike LLP. if you want pulse to be 100% uptime then you need nightwatcher. but then you need both 1 skill slot + 1 gear slot just for that (+ some time to activate the skill)

all that vs 1 weapon mod slot is kinda a big deal

[unkempt terrace]

i see i just wondering haha cause the description is kind vague haha

[crimson spruce]

I am an adult. I am not some hikikomori sitting in a basement all day every day. I have precious little time to waste searching for 5 minutes to find the last damned enemy that's playing hide and seek, assume the mission is bugged, and then restart.

I... may have unresolved issues >_>

[unkempt terrace]

is chameleon bugged right now cause i dont see the stacks in shooting range building up

[subtle bluff]

That's correct a few weapons UI are bugged out.

[onyx sage]

yes, any weapon UI is bugged (chameleon, nemesis, etc.)

if it's on the weapon itself it's bugged

[unkempt terrace]

-_- and here i am in shooting range shooting endlessly to see if it stack up 🙂 great

[smoky latch]

The talent works but you're kinda 👨‍🦯 with its stacks

[unkempt terrace]

hahaha

[smoky latch]

Will apparently be fixed with the upcoming update

[onyx sage]

I'm excited to farm more Ravenous's next update

[atomic turtle]

INF, can you make the me the dumbest working build you can think of?

[subtle bluff]

sir....

[smoky latch]

Uh

[onyx sage]

what?

as an average player, all i wanted to do was be stagger tank without having to go through IH itself first

[subtle bluff]

I don't have the gif I need on this computer......

[smoky latch]

When I grow up, I wanna be a stagger tank

[onyx sage]

i just want to be like mr broasteyxgod and ravenous the 2 marauders in roosevelt

that xgod guy is good player

[subtle bluff]

or be like Temu copy and one shot both of them.

[unkempt terrace]

now im pique about this is where do it farm in next update?

[buoyant perch]

Same, I wanna stagger tank through all bosses of IH

[onyx sage]

@tidal swan why are you Temu now

[atomic turtle]

I just want a build that will make people go "Why does this work, this shouldn't work, but it works. What is this?"

[onyx sage]

black tusk retaliations, coming next update

[onyx sage]

5p improvised nbb

[atomic turtle]

They're gonna be rare drops though, aren't they?

[unkempt terrace]

is there post here about revenous build?

[onyx sage]

you don't really main ravenous

it's more of a secondary weapon you pull out in the right situation

[subtle bluff]

He's meme his butt offf

[onyx sage]

not really, it's just another blueprint you can farm like any retal blueprint

[onyx sage]

sir, I am completely serious with every interaction in this server.

[smoky latch]

You have to defeat team rocket or whatever their squad name is. They have a chance to spawn for a while

[onyx sage]

There's always a time and place for everything. --Rick Astley

[subtle bluff]

I'm only a decent player

[atomic turtle]

Is this what you meant?!

[onyx sage]

10/10, would ninjabike again

[onyx sage]

i thought u hated decent

[atomic turtle]

What a great way to refer BT Unit 9.

[flint arch]

Tuberculosis Unit 9

[smoky latch]

😘

[subtle bluff]

SIR..

[atomic turtle]

INF, what on God's green Earth am I looking at?

[smoky latch]

Just what dien was referring to

[hazy steeple]

IKR? that mask+outfit combo is so 2025.

[flint arch]

You know what, @atomic turtle I'm going to post an idea for an April Fools exotic I just had today

[atomic turtle]

How is this meant to work exactly?

I need to know so I can run it myself.

[smoky latch]

It's the secret cheat code build that helps you destroy legendary in a breeze

[atomic turtle]

Hey, I was gonna read that wall of text!

[smoky latch]

Wtf was that, lol

Bro is muted

😂

[atomic turtle]

😭 WHY

[smoky latch]

🎻

[atomic turtle]

Why did corrupt get muted???

[smoky latch]

I guess automod because of that wall of text

[atomic turtle]

He was posting a dumb Exotic idea... 😭

This is abuse of power.

[smoky latch]

Guess the bot says: nope

[onyx sage]

it unlocks every single brand set in the game

[atomic turtle]

NBB opens your third eye, doesn't it?

[onyx sage]

it gets your wife, the house AND the dog back

[hazy steeple]

Okay fixed the auto-mod, but do be careful folks, that bot has ban powers.

[flint arch]

Aw come on, I was about to study for my Biology midterms! (jk please don't mute me)

I'm going to post the thing in image form this time

[atomic turtle]

What if there was an Exotic gear item called "Jerry Rigged" and all it does is just slap like 8 brand bonuses together into one item. And the model just looks like different pieces of gear ripped off their actual gear items?

[onyx sage]

idk it might be good

[atomic turtle]

Peak April fool's Exotic.

[atomic turtle]

"Any entity within 5 meters of you." Does that mean I can grief my own teammates with this? 💀

[flint arch]

yes

Be a tank and use this gun, it will be great fun

[languid wasp]

Might as well give new talent = An Eye For Eye

[hazy steeple]

If the text on it is a quote from Lau, I accept.

[marsh pilot]

which matchmaking option should i chose for control points ?

[soft crane]

@strong cave This good?

Well what do you know, I have a spare overdogs in my inventory. This gloves looks funny.

[subtle bluff]

call for back up

[subtle bluff]

Using Rav to DPS isn't the greatest

[marsh pilot]

ty! btw mine is greyed-out. Can't click it.

[calm nacelle]

You can just put out a backup request while running open word, usually people stay with your group if your hitting cp's and what not

[calm nacelle]

Just hover on your map, there's a call for backup prompt there. Eg on ps5 it's hold triangle iirc

[subtle bluff]

in social iirc

[marsh pilot]

ty guys! ❤️

[soft crane]

Any recommendation for rifle aside from M16 as truck said before?

[subtle bluff]

Idk the context of what truck said. I know his rav build but that's niche and a unique gameplay to use it.

[subtle bluff]

I need context what are you trying to do? DPS Rifle build with your build?

[soft crane]

yeh

[subtle bluff]

To note Rifle aren't anything special for DPS wise. They fun to use.

OD is gonna be the build want to use to get the best DPS you can out of rifles.

[soft crane]

Ongoing Directive?

Feels a bit suboptimal since OD gives LMG damage.

I must say, my current OD build works pretty well.

[subtle bluff]

OD give what?

[soft crane]

LMG damage isnt it?

I dont remember.

[soft crane]

Oh right my bad it was Tipping Scales that gives 30% LMG damage.

[willow sigil]

during a retal, i got tpd back to the safehouse while running towards the next cp, why?

[lone glacier]

Did the retal stop?

[willow sigil]

no, i went into a loading screen and it just put me back in the safehouse, the rest of the squad made it to the next cp

[ivory abyss]

If I use this build but change ceska mask for HB mask and HB holster for salvo. Will rof make up for some of the loss of chc or chd

[marsh pilot]

What is the 2nd core attribute i want on my Elmo ? Damage to out of cover ?

[ivory abyss]

Yes

[marsh pilot]

Btw, are blueprints for Exotics new ? I stopped playing for a while.

[solar sable]

yup

[spark mortar]

for st elmo’s is crit chance fine? or should i try to get out of cover damage instead

[subtle bluff]

no

If you use killer then yes

[ivory abyss]

Is killer more than flatline? Also am I losing a lot going salvo route?

[versed summit]

it's one of the better options, but try to get dtooc if you can.

[spark mortar]

🐛

[versed summit]

it's about 4% more but less consistent uptime

[flint arch]

if you only have one copy, use it until you get another copy. otherwise start rerolling the worse one

[ivory abyss]

Ah okay

[subtle bluff]

Depends on their crit numbers

[versed summit]

yeah it could be a little more than that even

but not by too much. max 6%

[subtle bluff]

Ya

I haven't added it up on HB but I know OD it's a adds up quick.

[ivory abyss]

I am just curious because I don’t mind losing a little bit overall dps but strikers has spoiled me with rof lol so 850rpm feels slow when using HB tech tank

[subtle bluff]

since there Crit starved on with HB and Memento.

[spark mortar]

yeah it’s the only one i got, dropped from a random exotic cache lol

countdown was not fruitful but the crates were….

[flint arch]

[spark mortar]

true i think

[ivory abyss]

I do like the HB tech tank minus the missing rof lol

[strong cave]

Looks fine. I'd still personally go ceska because I'm pretty sure Ravenous explosions go off of Crit

[subtle bluff]

They shouldn't.

Unless they state so.

[sinful tinsel]

any tips on farming optimization material, im thinking countdowns then buying caches

[strong cave]

You sure? Whenever my Crit damage went lower my Rav explosion went lower too

[versed summit]

they do crit. Raucey tested it a while back

[strong cave]

I tested it with equalizer and found it somehow did less than ceska

[subtle bluff]

And that's why I don't know jack about rav... other than the niche shit.

[strong cave]

Thank you IC3. Raucey taught me that one too

[subtle bluff]

Get the Blueprint to craft it by doing CP farming

[strong cave]

Rav has probably the highest burst in the game. Hit the enemy 5 times, insta shoulder pop, hit for 35 million explo

That's if built properly. It's a named enemy deletion tool 😂

It drops Marauders quickly too

[sinful tinsel]

ok

[fickle sparrow]

@sinful tinsel for shd its countdown yeh....for field recon (which is double atm) i use rifle build with the 1886 and play it as a sniper and do outcast only control points for speed (much less helmet guys that knock your determined off) but you do get more suicide bombers so just be aware...its very fast farming once you get hang of the 1886 build

[strong cave]

Foam is good for keeping them at bay, I typically use it when enemies are being pesky

[sinful tinsel]

alr cheers, so it says that the bps drop at control points lvl 3 and above, does the chance increase at heroic or should i just lower it to challenging

[flint arch]

@strong cave in retribution for you making me do tent strat in capitol im going to make you look at this

[subtle bluff]

When you proc off an armor plate yea.

[fickle sparrow]

@strong cave good idea i might try it as my 2nd skill can be abything really..iv been using scanner with fog of war on but i could easily do the foam ty

[strong cave]

Honestly measured is just damn good for huddling. Tent strat is so bad but it's super funny when using measured

[flint arch]

The fact they had to neuter the name too, Final Measure imo sounded badass as a gear set name

[fickle sparrow]

@sinful tinsel i think some of the rarer blueprints drop on heroic? not 100%...id play challenging till you get used to the sniper build its only 1 less field recon anyway

[strong cave]

What do I gotta do to get you to try that ravvy build 🙏 I been begging for a year nowwww

[subtle bluff]

I still mess up rav stacking

[sinful tinsel]

i think i have loads of field recon left over anyways

[flint arch]

[subtle bluff]

was on DH and failed it 3 times.

[sinful tinsel]

mainly just need the bp for tactical assessment

[fickle sparrow]

@sinful tinsel honestly playing solo with an 1886 determind is sooo satisfying and fast....only the helmet guys and suicide bombers can stop you but you find a way around em

[strong cave]

It's dead simple with my build: hit the enemy only 5 times, then just swap shoulders as you're still shooting. Swap right back, hit them 5 times, pop shoulder again. Think of it like counting Scorpio shots in a way. Once you get used to it, you don't even need to count anymore. Plus the bar above their heads will tell you when you have full offensive stacks to swap too. Counting isn't required (but is helpful)

[subtle bluff]

I know. I still mess it up

[strong cave]

Practice practice practice 🙏

[subtle bluff]

I don't think you understand I just really hate using it.

[flint arch]

Chow being bad at something?? impossible

[subtle bluff]

Englishing

[strong cave]

Nah I get you in that regard. I'm the same way with glass

[flint arch]

okay other than that

[sinful tinsel]

i would and im quite tempted tbh but ive spend so long gathering the stuff for this build, just needs optimizing

[strong cave]

I LOVE the damage but when I'm pulling aggro I don't love it

[spark mortar]

is the invisible hand any good?

[subtle bluff]

just farm CP's you need the other blueprints

[flint arch]

I want to get Ravenous but I am not doing IH again holy shit

[strong cave]

Wait until Tues or Thurs. It'll drop as retal bp

[flint arch]

I'm just going to take the easy way out and do BT retals

[strong cave]

😂😂😂

[subtle bluff]

It sit in a weird spot. Due to it's not bad if you take other DPS vs it without need any proc for more dmg. But it handles like ass.

[spark mortar]

i was liking it but since i just got st elmo’s it was replaced immediately lol

[flint arch]

I'll still pester dien to carry me in kelso roosevelt master though for birdie's

That is if he's still willing to play Div 2 after the horrendous update

[shy willow]

Sacrilege

[subtle bluff]

I can do that.

[flint arch]

Let me just check when spring break's coming...

Next week

[spark mortar]

should i swap my overdogs for exodus gloves? heard they’re pretty good

[subtle bluff]

solo it's fine it's a less dmg.

[flint arch]

I'm going to make @strong cave's tank build and use it

[spark mortar]

yeye, it’s more survivability

[subtle bluff]

I'm use to that already since I RMM too make.

[fickle sparrow]

@sinful tinsel in regards to the blueprints you ll know when you have them all cause control points simply stop giving you them...you can see it when you hover over a red 1....so if you did play on challenging just do them till they stop giving them then try heroic to see if there anymore to get....someone did tell me you have to do heroic for some but i cant confirm cause i naturally moved to heroic anyway

[flint arch]

you also get to do nothing and die with reduced street cred

[spark mortar]

lock-in

[sinful tinsel]

just pray to rng gods i get tactical assessment early

[strong cave]

Hey I'll take a bit less damage if it means I have 60% of my armor still 😂

[spark mortar]

is that mike ehrmantraut

[flint arch]

@strong cave can you unprivate your tank build btw

[shy willow]

Waltuh

[strong cave]

Wait wha

[flint arch]

yeah everyone's builds got privated in the latest buildstation update

[subtle bluff]

It was the default we set it too

[strong cave]

That's obnoxious

[subtle bluff]

Is it tho?

[strong cave]

I would've thought link share = anyone with link can see it. Like in Google docs lmfao

[subtle bluff]

New feature.

....

[strong cave]

Well, for me, I have about 40 ish total builds on mine. That means I have to individually take my time and set it to public

I can imagine those who might have more who need to individually change them all too

Not a bad idea to do privatize tho. Just a bit obnoxious having to set them to public 1 by 1

[tulip lagoon]

Alright, I'm severely mad at everyone in this entire server.

How could you not have notified me about the best game in the entire universe, after 10 years after its release.

[shy willow]

You'd be surprised

Among casual players it's quite polarising

[tulip lagoon]

Really?

[flint arch]

it's soon going to have big problems

[tulip lagoon]

Guess we're going to have a make a virus

[strong cave]

All the normal striker players are going to go on strike when prototype hits

You bet your ass people are going to just jump right into Escalation and treat it like Countdown

[strong cave]

Skill issue on my part, just found in profile settings you can change the default build options. Not a bad idea to do private builds. Just annoyed that I now have to make all my builds public 😂

It would be nice to have a multi-select feature to make that process a bit quicker due to the new update AND for those down the road who want to manage multiple builds. Idk if that's a thing rn with build tool or not

[strong cave]

It's back up

[flint arch]

yup i can see it now

[strong cave]

How you piece the build isn't quite important. The mask/chest are a must. The rest are all "slot in whatever you find"

[flint arch]

okay nvm i see your refactorbike delete your buildstation account rn

🤢

[strong cave]

LOL you can see my whole profile's builds on it?

That's new I think

[flint arch]

Wait wtf

[strong cave]

Uh oh did you find the cavalier one?

[flint arch]

@subtle bluff If I go to a person's profile and check their builds, there's no pages

I can only see 12 out of 24 of his builds but there's no option to go to page 2

[strong cave]

🪲 chow, you have a crawly friend roaming your website

A few I think ... Might be an infestation

🪲🪲🪲🪲

Anyone know any cleaners around?

[flint arch]

I actually managed to guess which brands you used correctly

[strong cave]

I coulda went Golan tbh but never bothered. Figured going Gila would give significantly more Regen

[flint arch]

Well Gila gives 3%

Compared to Golan's 1.5%

[subtle bluff]

Can you send SS in the discord

[flint arch]

buildstation discord?

[subtle bluff]

uh...

[strong cave]

Golan gives 1.5% plus the 10% armor. Then again, Gila gives 3% and 5% armor and health. Pair it with Uzina and now you have 10% armor, same as Golan, but with more benefits

[languid wasp]

I wonder if glass cannon is actually a good meta

only one way to find out

[flint arch]

perfect glass cannon nowadays is only marginally better than equalizer if you slap it onto standard striker or Tipping Scales or something

HOWEVER, I personally think that it forces you to play well, which will help you out in the long run

It's also an ego boost

i love my PGC and Vigilance

[languid wasp]

I can flex this on my friend then

[flint arch]

you haven't lived until you've finished leggo with PGC when a single bullet can health gate you instantly

[shy willow]

I've farmed enough components to expertise at least 3 builds so I'm excited😭

Granted I'll probably be playing with my clan not randoms so I'm lucky

[unkempt terrace]

what weapon do best in ongoing directive build im currently using bluescreen

im haviong fun in hollow point rounds hahaha

[cinder karma]

LMGs

[lone violet]

The more prototype builds I see on yt the more I wanna cry

[unkempt terrace]

any LMG? haha

[cinder karma]

For the most part yes. GR9, M60, any really

[hazy steeple]

@unkempt terrace There's a great guide in the 📌 pinned "spreadsheet 2", with some good info for you.

[sinful tinsel]

Do i have to wait until i get all bps or is it just rng until i get the tactical assessment

[patent fossil]

Just rng

[sinful tinsel]

Ok cheers

[balmy widget]

can this be my baseline build for future farming ?

[woeful knoll]

Which sub attribute will be best for st elmo?

[balmy widget]

police m4 with killer and whatever second gun (but i like infinite ammo)

[soft crane]

Yeah thats enough CHC.

[soft crane]

DTOOC.

[woeful knoll]

Thanks

[coral reef]

this goes for every weapon in the game, except LMGS, for them its CHC

[woeful knoll]

Good to know, thanks now i can reroll my bluescreen

[woeful knoll]

shotguns too right?

[patent fossil]

No, shotguns still best to get dtooc

[soft crane]

LMG comes with DTOOC by default.

[woeful knoll]

right, thanks

[junior lagoon]

why CHC when it is capped at 60

[soft crane]

If you already have enough CHC from your gears then go for CHD I guess.

[fickle sparrow]

@sinful tinsel its pure RNG but the 1 good thing is you cant get a duplicate blueprint....you will always get a new 1

[cinder karma]

taking crit chance on an LMG allows you to stack on even more crit damage. putting damage to armor on it only applies to armored enemies and not every enemy has armor. but every enemy can be hit with a crit

[junior lagoon]

assuming it is your main weapon yes but if you are using it only against armored enemies?

[cinder karma]

why would you only use 1 gun to shoot armored enemies? seems like a pain having to swap to a gun just to shoot armored enemies

[dapper glacier]

man! so much fun with this build but I think could be better. any recommendations? I bet @cerulean smelt will come out and say is shit.. 💀 😭

[strong cave]

thats because it is shit

[soft crane]

Uhm

Seems like thats something you randomly put together as level 1.

[strong cave]

ninjabike is not doing anything for you in this case. why badger? for what are you benefiting from by taking badger? i understand unit alloys but this is all out of wack. this has zero synergy

[dapper glacier]

and?

[strong cave]

you colors are everywhere too, i cant tell if this is a crit build or a regen build or for skills or for headshots or what. more colors than a pride flag

[dapper glacier]

right it seems like the any recommendations went off...

thanks guys you are really helpful!!

[patent fossil]

9.5% chc is worth 19% chd, which is going to get you a bigger overall increase than 6% dta unless your chd is already stacked crazy high. Plus dta doesn't work vs dogs and chungas, which are high threat enemies

[strong cave]

you came to build advice asking for help. and many of us are telling you your build is not great at all. and im certain many of us here would say ditch this build entirely

[soft crane]

Tbf you're not telling us what kind of build you want. You probably joking but im not sure either.

[strong cave]

we genuinely want to help you but not if youre going to be sensitive to help

[dapper glacier]

sensitive 😄

[strong cave]

am i wrong for assuming so since you decided to @ somebody for attention?

[dapper glacier]

i mean i put right there any recommendations and you just trashed me

[soft crane]

So what kind of build you want? Im pretty sure you can just pick a weapon category and truck here has a build for you to use.

[gaunt chasm]

[junior lagoon]

unless you come with a full red build, you will get this most of the time

[dapper glacier]

how old are you? 12?

[lone glacier]

At least its not NBB Foundry Bulwark

[soft crane]

Well, I suppose you can go for the basic Striker build.