td2-build-advice

[flint arch]

you already recalibrated dttoc

[olive cosmos]

oh you can only recali once on a weapon

[next dawn]

Yes

[flint arch]

you can only recalibrate one slot, but that one slot can be recalibrated infinitely

the rest needs to be optimized

[olive cosmos]

ah i didnt know that guess that rifle is trash now

[next dawn]

Not really it's almost maxed out on attributes

[olive cosmos]

welp i already trashed it

[hazy steeple]

It has Ignited, it ain't exactly amazing.
dw, you can fairly easily farm another copy.

[olive cosmos]

the talent is terrible

i wont use it so it's not big of deal

[next dawn]

Fair enough

[fossil crag]

Last time this debit came up I was still under the impression we was all only using fire still on challenging, and I didnt know the build changed
So I was still uninformed the build changed.

[hazy steeple]

This is why it's important to learn and grow.

And as a rule: if it involves explosions or fire: Local' knows their stuff. ❤️‍🔥

[fossil crag]

well last time this came up they could have been liek na dog that was old build heres new build and this would ben a debait no more LOL

so I aint point no fingurs But... LOL k jk

[hazy steeple]

Generally speaking, people don't feel the need to post that it's a "new" build every time, otherwise half of the conversations here would be people mentioning specific Title Updates.

"its a new striker, but not the new-new striker, and not prototype striker, but mid-old striker, but not div1 striker"

[fossil crag]

that is true but when it was in question.. its kinda liek oo hey this is how we doing it now would be way more better I se it all the time in here..

[hazy steeple]

As you are the one confused, it's best if you are the one that asks in the future.

[fossil crag]

Ok but who in there right mind would think on a fire build Over puppies was the new go to..? hahah

[hazy steeple]

People who have put the work into figuring out the maths, and we rely heavily on for their work in this server.
I can't imagine this place without the spreadsheet.

[fossil crag]

yeah im not saying it not my fauilt for not asking but dang I would never taught in a million years them gloves hahah

[eager sleet]

Does anyone know a good armour and skill mix build cause I'm using glass cannon but just wanting to use a bullet sponge build for them higher diffs also I use emp pulse and healing seekers

[candid cave]

Yall im using 4p heartbreaker,fenris chestplate and momento what 4p should i change too?

[hazy steeple]

Heartbreaker is fine.

[candid cave]

What should i change or is it fine as is?

[hazy steeple]

There's a heartbreaker build in the spreadsheet if you want some meta options, it's 📌 > "spreadsheet 2" > builds.

[candid cave]

W thanks twin

[candid cave]

Where do i find the pin?

[flint arch]

pinned messages in this channel, should be the first one in the list

[manic bough]

Hello again! I really enjoyed using OD the last few days BUT I wonder: what other weapons would go well with it besides Bluescreen? Lexington with Killer? Pestilence? Bullet King?

[hexed steppe]

Fire was never really challenging and below. Its more likely people were building bad and/or lacked confidence in their skills to use the build.

There have been quite a few postings by myself and a few others about overdogs interacting with fire/oxi/explosive skills. So its not unknown, and has been put out there a lot.

The fact that I was challenging you may have been an indicator I knew something you may not have known. Wouldn't that also, maybe, be a prompt to ask questions. There is always willing discussion around this type of stuff. We arent mind readers, tho, and I see too many people posting subpar advice to worry about hand holding everyone.

[flint arch]

high-end LMGs/ARs/SMGs with sadist

[junior lagoon]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J_CQcLLLi_eIxwUUhZyPwbZocDu4kjBy/view

[manic bough]

Oh sadist,completely forgot about that talent,thanks! Btw...you changed your name...do you enjoy nbb now? 😄

[flint arch]

more info in this Ongoing Directive guide

[flint arch]

hell no, my banner still says I hate NBB

[hexed steppe]

👀

[manic bough]

just teasing you 😄 and thanks for the link!

[hexed steppe]

[flint arch]

🤢

[hazy steeple]

The temptation to just randomly change it to +NBB before enjoyer one day is overwhelming.

[flint arch]

mod abuse!!11!!!!!!

[hazy steeple]

Don't worry, too much paperwork 😉

[storm dirge]

Which Skills do you use in Countdown or Content with Hunters with a Striker Build?

[solar sable]

foam chem

[junior lagoon]

decoy and reviver

[hazy steeple]

Stinger Hive right in the middle of your own group, let the Hunter Games begin.

[flint arch]

love my fellow hazpro foam users

[solar sable]

Decoy with Countdown Hunters is pretty useless if you deal lots of dmg. It's better to foam them before they wander around. You also prevent them from using EMP and healing.

[junior lagoon]

possible but i dont like foam

[hazy steeple]

For a real answer: foam and banshee pulse is what's served me best in a group.
you can also use the Oxi cloud to make them roll out of cover.

[solar sable]

the grenades in my pocket:

[hazy steeple]

Mad Bomber the grenade and run straight at the Hunter.

[solar sable]

I gotta make that build too

[flint arch]

I've extracted in runs where like 4 other players fell victim to the reactor crate thanks to my slightly clumsy hazpro foam usage

[hexed steppe]

Ai has graduated to disciple status in the house of Lootcifer
🔥 😈 🔥

[flint arch]

Hunters are so much easier to deal with when they're forced to stand there and do nothing

[solar sable]

they eat bullets like Ghost Rider but instead they don't fight back and spit fire

[fossil crag]

we are still here..? LOL I smoke 2 bowls and tots even forgot this was a convo

[junior lagoon]

what is the set bonus for hunter killer?

ok 10 percent status effects

it is golan

[hexed steppe]

dont tag if you dont want a response...

[fossil crag]

Ok been a year since I incursion, anything other then the OverChinchilla change

[candid cave]

Im a chud every build i use has too have momento

[flint arch]

memento, not momento

[candid cave]

Literally the same thing

[smoky latch]

Not at all

[flint arch]

Memento is the actual exotic
Momento is an April Fools exotic that you cannot equip, the only meaningful thing you can do with it is to deconstruct it for exotic components

Pedantic correction? Yes, and I will keep doing it

[lament reef]

mentos is the chewable breath mints

[flint arch]

men are male adult humans

[fossil crag]

🔨 in 5.... LOL

[coral reef]

does anyone else here love killing rouge agents with a Refractor build?

[flint arch]

no because Refractor is not a gear set that exists in the game

[silver coral]

Any build that are good with firewall all i see are technician for skill build red build for gunner and marksman for sniper

[lament reef]

rouge agents

[flint arch]

no rouge agents exist

[hazy steeple]

If corrupt wants to wear lipstick, I say more power to them.

[flint arch]

unfortunately I am a cishet male with yellow skin so I refuse

[smoky latch]

Eclipse Protocol with fire chem launcher is a good fit. Also PfE builds/tanky builds

[silver coral]

Tnx

[hazy steeple]

Try an off-white tone, or possibly uber-dark for some contrast.
ya know, I am so very glad we don't have make-up in div2.

[junior lagoon]

there are some quite powerful pvp builds that use firewall

[smoky latch]

Firewall in PvP is a favorite due to its medkit

[subtle bluff]

The tick dmg is basically what your bullet dmg is without crits.

It's all detailed in the guide.

[coral reef]

Mr chow what do you think of the new Investor exotic mask? Been dreaming with a full yellow one for the Refactor build

[subtle bluff]

Not really. Losing chest and BP talents are not really worth.

[dense solar]

on the strikers build that was posted earlier could i not just use Equalizer?

[solar sable]

ceska oblit or ceska w/glass cannon

[dense solar]

ahh okay... ill have to farm that chest piece then.

[solar sable]

why don't you want Equalizer?

[dense solar]

well equalizer has perfect oblit thats why i was asking if that would be a good alternate to the ceska chest

[coral reef]

wait what? I don't understand, sorry. Do you lose the chest/backpack talents if you use the mask?

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

[coral reef]

lmao thats so stupid then, i had no idea

[subtle bluff]

GC and combined or Memento are too good.

Both are 30% buffs.

The mask in HE maybe interesting.

[coral reef]

HE?

[sour prawn]

Thoughts/improvements?

[fickle sparrow]

whats the expected best dps atm using an AR guys? excluding any event thats running atm....im getting 1.2mill tops out my best crit build or striker set up...albeit i run 1 blue core to avoid the 1 hit death....does 1.2mill sound about right?

[subtle bluff]

High End Builds

[subtle bluff]

Measuring dmg by per bullet dmg doesn't show the true output of a build

[junior lagoon]

@smoky latch i got the adrenaline rush belstone from countdown with double crits. all i need is improvised holster and i got that sweet pfe build

[onyx sage]

you can never get 1 hit with full red, you always have a health gate that prevents that. 1 blue doesn't save you from dying either

but that number is typical on that build

[subtle bluff]

If umbra works for you then sure. To me it's a lot of effort for not too much gain very other gearsets.

[fickle sparrow]

really ok ty

[onyx sage]

health gate is a mechanic that saves you whenever you take lethal damage, it has a 30s cooldown and is intended to be the main saving grace on full reds. but know that it exists

[junior lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSmmvLqP35M&t=360s

[onyx sage]

every kind of build will have health gate

[fickle sparrow]

also should i follow the rule of thumb of if you go all red a shield is pointless? so use decoy instead and use cover more sensibly?

[onyx sage]

you can use a shield at tier 0, but only use it to finish off an enemy, don't use it to face tank

[fickle sparrow]

ok i know what you mean ty

[junior lagoon]

except my god mode ez legendary foundry bulwark build. (this is a joke)

[onyx sage]

cover to cover is also a crucial mechanic for repositioning, use it whenever you want to retreat or get closer to an enemy, you gain a lot of dodge chance while in the animation towards bullets

[flint arch]

aviary

[sour prawn]

I like the armor regen and I was getting tired of always seeing strikers

[fickle sparrow]

yeh i know at heart its a cover shooter game....im sure like al ot of agents i just get impatient when im cleaning up a group and a few enemies decide to go into cover and decide to read war and peace while sitting there lol

[onyx sage]

play against them more and you'll know how to manipulate them, most of the time when it feels like they're hunkering down they're waiting for you to pop up, they pop up in return

[flint arch]

if in doubt, stay where you are

[fickle sparrow]

last question...im 22 expertise and trying to push for 30...i know about printer filiment but it seems to take up a lot of vendor credits buying mods (like id need 10s of millions) ...is there any other fast way?....iv tried buying the actual item at vendor or even crafting but im into the named and exotic stuff now so things like countdown also become really slow

[flint arch]

i think you should wait until the update drops

the devs said they're planning to make it easier to get expertise

[fickle sparrow]

oooooooo really thats nice to know ty

[junior lagoon]

can you please give the link for your gudei? can't find it under pinned

[hazy steeple]

I can confirm that it's really silly to push all your gear up to 30 Expertise before the update.
on a totally unrelated note, I am now out of Exo Comps.

[flint arch]

it's not in pinned nor in the spreadsheet

I'm planning to reword it further someday

[fickle sparrow]

im not even attempting to actually level my gear to 30 with my knack of spending materials😀 ....im just trying to unlock level 30

[junior lagoon]

maybe less polarizing title 🙂

[smoky latch]

I'd say "How to stop being a victim" could be an alternate title :p

[flint arch]

"Please use red PVGC Striker as your first build" then

[onyx sage]

maybe "You can stay alive with full red"

[hazy steeple]

"5 easy steps to living with 6 red cores, you won't believe step 3"

[onyx sage]

The hidden step will SHOCK you

[smoky latch]

"Ha, ha, ha, ha, staying alive, staying alive - with six red cores"

[willow sigil]

when people talk about vector secondary, are they talking about this one?

[onyx sage]

that works

[mint axle]

still prefer the SBR one

[flint arch]

I curse you with uh... uhm... I'll curse you with... erm... hmm... with uh...

Oh I know, I'll force you to farm until you get max prototype rolls on all of your unicorns

[hazy steeple]

That just makes me think of the one scene in Airplane with the girl scout knife fight.
side note: I can totally picture the Hyenas doing that.

[smoky latch]

<gasps in Spanish>

[flint arch]

<laughs in Chinese>

[patent fossil]

On a similarly unrelated note I'm stockpiling junk exotics ready to deconstruct at the weekend when the expertise event is active...

[hazy steeple]

I really should've done that.

[fickle sparrow]

how do you lfg for ps5 when only pc channel is listed?

[hazy steeple]

You can see #lfg-playstation too.

[fickle sparrow]

oh gawd so it is haha ty...im brains looking "ps5"

[flint arch]

free exo component

[ripe ruin]

whats the best sheriff build?

[next dawn]

I tried Virtuoso with it and it was pretty fun

[livid berry]

Is chatterbox worth the effort it takes to get? ive been running AR and LMG builds and want to try out SMG and not really sure which way to go. I was using lady death during the smg event a few weeks ago but struggling to put something together that has survivability and is fun to play.

[next dawn]

imho not really chatter box talent relies on you getting close to multiple enemies to gain rpm

[willow sigil]

its prob objectively better to have 55 crit chance and 12 more crit damage than 61 crit chance isnt it

[next dawn]

gold standard is 50/150 iirc

[willow sigil]

i screwed up

[livid berry]

I want something I can run and gun with so I'm not worried about getting up close. I usually use shield and reviver hive

[next dawn]

then I think chatter box might be a good choice for you tbh each kill does also reload your mag so do as you like

[flint arch]

multiply different values of CHC and CHD and see which number is bigger

bigger number = use those values

[willow sigil]

there is no way to hit 50 crit with elmos. closest would be 49

[ripe ruin]

ill try it out

[smoky latch]

I don't recommend Virtuoso because you cannot realistically keep the gear set buff up a lot

[balmy arch]

Can anyone recomend a build for the big alejandro just trying to put something together that is pure dps

[smoky latch]

The Sheriff is a good secondary but not a good primary worth building around it

[next dawn]

tipping scale is a good place to start

[balmy arch]

Ok ill have a look into it thanks i just gotta farm some peices now lol

[ripe ruin]

so dedicated builds are a no go?

[smoky latch]

Be aware that you'll run out of ammo really quick

[ripe ruin]

tipping scales overdogs big al

[smoky latch]

Not worth it, no. Virtuoso in general isn't either

[next dawn]

a fun build tho

[smoky latch]

Might just run it on a Striker's build, have fun and be effective

[ripe ruin]

a dedicated mmr build would just be infinitely better right

[balmy arch]

Is anyone maybe down to help me farm some tipping scales

[smoky latch]

Well you can't really snipe with that shotgun. If that is your goal go with a sniper build indeed

[next dawn]

striker this striker that, too many strikers makes me a dull boy

[smoky latch]

Countdown has mm

[smoky latch]

Alternatively a HE build for Sheriff but not Virtuoso. It's not underrated or anything, it's just not good due to how it needs to be played to get any benefit from it's talent

[next dawn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

sure

striker is just too meta for damage give it any weapon and it will generally perform better

but yes I do agree Virtuoso is not good but man is it fun to use

[lament reef]

does sheriff do anything remarkable? it has no falloff but still has spread

[next dawn]

its a shotgun that shoots slugs if you stand still

[smoky latch]

The thing is, fun is subjective. Just because you think sth is fun, doesn't mean others feel the same way. Dude who asked seems to be a new-ish player who doesn't have all kinds of gear just yet apparently. What if he disagrees with you and doesn't think it's fun? Then he wasted his time because of you. So I'd rather recommend things that are known to be good. They can always branch out to other gear over time

[fallen vortex]

I was putting this together based on a couple of peoples advice what's sort of improvements should I do?

[smoky latch]

A different backpack (talent) and different gloves.
The backpack talent is for CQC builds and with an AR build you don't gain any benefit (try Vigilance or Unstoppable Force). The gloves are OK but I think you'd benefit more from a pair of Grupo Sombra gloves (13% CHD intrinsic brand bonus)

[next dawn]

Im mean sure ig

[grand girder]

doesn't he need a 3rd ua piece tho

[smoky latch]

Elmo has 70 rounds already, 101 isn't needed I would say

[ripe ruin]

not new by any means but ive kinda just stuck to a couple builds and never really branched out from there so im just wanting to try different things, havent really done anything with the sheriff yet so i thought id look into it but the general consensus seems to be its just not worth it

[grand girder]

yeah but 30 extra bullets would help him more than 8% dta

[smoky latch]

I'm not sure but worth a try

[flint arch]

i don't like how this build instantly becomes very sluggish if i don't adhere to the enemy tiers

[smoky latch]

Overdogs not BiS for legendary for sure

[grand girder]

tbf high end strega is always kinda sluggish until you start proccing the talent

[smoky latch]

Yea it needs to get going first

[flint arch]

yeah it kinda slaps once i get the talent going but it gets annoying when enemies are scattered

ill probably use it for a little bit more then scurry back to my PVGC striker

[rich cargo]

im at 60% chc and ONLY 66% chd. i dont get how people stack that much chd haha

[smoky latch]

Lower your CHC a bit, did you maybe overcap? Also, what's your build?

[rich cargo]

my chc is 0,9 OVER atm so maybe replace 1 chc for chd?

[flint arch]

if your crit ratios are really lopsided, you can aim for 1:2 ratio first

[rich cargo]

but is it really doable with memento backpack?

[smoky latch]

More isn't possible unless you switch Equalizer to a Ceska chest

[smoky latch]

Tested myself just now

Oh I am missing a mod

[rich cargo]

lol you can test builds 😛

[rich cargo]

wtf

[smoky latch]

Everything God rolled, max values in this composition

I mean Chameleon can probably use a little less crit chance if you keep hitting headshots but IDK

[rich cargo]

i can improve 0,2 chd on one of my mods. the rest is godrolled

[smoky latch]

What's your SHD?

[smoky latch]

I'm talking max rolled mods too

[rich cargo]

is that the main problem?

does it give THAT much chd?

[smoky latch]

Yeah it's a noticeable difference

[next dawn]

it give 20% iirc

or was it 30% ahh

[grand girder]

20

[gritty parcel]

20%

[next dawn]

ty

[rich cargo]

so 55chc/78.8 chd. is fine for now. and only my shd watch is the problem?

[next dawn]

55/78 is fine is you havent max out your shd watch

[rich cargo]

Im really in conflict what to take as my go to retaliation build. Been looking into big ale/tipping scales to make that maybe. Any tips for what to bring to retaliation haha?

[flint arch]

any dps build really

[smoky latch]

Good build, pick a different AR

[rich cargo]

Take the saint elmo?

[flint arch]

Chameleon is a bad AR but an alright SMG

[smoky latch]

The Chameleon is an SMG based AR that has an identity crisis

[rich cargo]

Hahah

[flint arch]

Very workable

[smoky latch]

My personal recommendations would be Police M4 or Carbine 7 but any fast firing AR works on Striker (apparently 790 RPM and upwards)

Sure, Elmo works

[rich cargo]

Maybe a really stupid/ego question. But i sometimes check peoples build at shd lvles WAY higher then my 500 and they dont have nearly as high rolls as what you schould expect from those lvles. Is it just people putting new stuff together or? (Im not running a build if its 95% there for example)

[grand girder]

could be experimenting, maybe they just don't care for min maxing

never really know unless you ask em

[rich cargo]

For example a striker mask with 11% weapon damage roll on it. 1 countdown run and you have a better one 🤣🤣

[flint arch]

could be people just started new characters

i prepared a bunch of boosted level 40 characters for... uh... totally legitimate purposes, and they all have some random Striker build I could scrape together from my stash

[subtle bluff]

I wish I could have and keep a SHD 600...

[rich cargo]

ahhh

[flint arch]

im too lazy to farm for additional pieces so they have to deal with the crappy pieces

[subtle bluff]

How many players think that being high SHD matters at all drives me nuts.

[next dawn]

lol all you need is to be shd 1000 for the all the benefits anything after is just bragging rights

[flint arch]

technically you need to be shd 2000 to max out the minor health boosts each level gives you

[next dawn]

well yeah

[subtle bluff]

All need is the red max.

[next dawn]

lol red build go brrrrrrr

[flint arch]

i like being pedantic and annoying

[onyx sage]

i am new player

[vernal wing]

I run builds at 50% efficiency sometimes but the content is never that difficult.

[rich cargo]

hmm oke. not my style haha. but you do you

[silent storm]

If I am over a stat like CHC then I will not upgrade the gear to max because no point

[grand girder]

show hours

[silent storm]

I am a new player

[vernal wing]

It teaches you to play and position better. Gets boring when you just steamroll everything.

[silent storm]

That's what PGC is for

[flint arch]

lmao what is this

[grand girder]

and blacklisters

[fair dragon]

Hi new player i was born 3 days ago, I randomly learned English and stumbled across this server. Nice to meet you.

[smoky latch]

Might come in handy

During 5x XP events at least

[flint arch]

I wish I could insta-junk all of the items that come out of these caches

Would make expertise grinding a breeze especially during 5x XP

[smoky latch]

I got some good items from those

[graceful kettle]

that would be nice

[solar sable]

wait what

[rich cargo]

the rolls on st. elmo schould be: assault damage/health damage and DAMAGE TO ARMOR? or schould be damage to targets out of cover?

[next dawn]

TOC

[cloud sorrel]

Damage to targets out of cover on every weapons

[rich cargo]

dammi then i have a wrong elmo 😛

[cloud sorrel]

Except LMGs where you want CHC or ROF

[silent storm]

Do we have a hybrid core Striker build with Impetus Capacitor Striker Drone and Memento?

[next dawn]

Tf is that abomination

[cloud sorrel]

You would play a striker without backpack cause of the memento and then no dmg buffs on your chest either ? Pretty sure it won’t work but you can try 😂

[grand girder]

anything works on heroic

wegendary would be a different story

[smoky latch]

Yellow Striker works tho

[solar sable]

weeee weeee

[flint arch]

wegendary

[grand girder]

how much deditated wam do I need to run wegendary?

[flint arch]

ANNA ate all of our wam

[onyx sage]

all of them

[solar sable]

yes

[rich cargo]

what resource is this ?(i wanted to use optimization)

[flint arch]

the good thing about PVGC Striker is that i can theoretically hotswap to birdie's a lot faster

[grand girder]

true sons i think

[solar sable]

True Sons Tac Assessments

[onyx sage]

you still don't have birdies...

[flint arch]

i do not have birdies

[silent storm]

I don't either

[flint arch]

that's why i said theoretically

[onyx sage]

time to fix that

[smoky latch]

Time to meet the hunters. And grab their mask

[vernal wing]

PGC steamrolls everything 😂

[flint arch]

i mean i don't really have time to do it until minimum next week

i have biology and calculus midterms 😭

[grand girder]

doubt that'll be the case in escalation 10

[onyx sage]

challenge accepted

[next dawn]

I'm praying for your downfall rn

[grand girder]

hehe enjoy more zoo jail dummy

[onyx sage]

requiem jail rn...

[flint arch]

you get health gated when a bullet scrapes your arm anyway, PGC or not, so why not use PGC

[smoky latch]

Escalation level 10 is no joke

[rich cargo]

whats pgc?

[grand girder]

challenge addition, must run blacklisters

[onyx sage]

perfect glass cannon

[rich cargo]

ahhh

[onyx sage]

my clan leader did it sir, that means i can do it

[smoky latch]

Broken?

[onyx sage]

(but worse)

[smoky latch]

Yeah I saw his vid. Hot foot is mad annoying lol

[onyx sage]

AD simulator

[smoky latch]

Or whatever that modifier is called

[next dawn]

Just be built different and you can do escalation 10

[grand girder]

Ain't no camping round here partner

[smoky latch]

ADHD simulator 👍

[vernal wing]

Just wait until we get prototype PPVGC😎

[onyx sage]

prototype pvgc striker already deals 1mil crit with lexi at 0 stacks

we are so cracked

[silent storm]

I want Prototype Trauma that also applies Shock

[next dawn]

We gonna get cracked on escalation 10 bro

[flint arch]

ignore the crap turret placement

[grand girder]

idk why but I hate the purple so much

idk how to describe it but it feels tacky

[next dawn]

Lol

[onyx sage]

returning player from 2021: how are you doing so much damage with purple gear?

[silent storm]

Purple is the color of royalty

[silent storm]

So when an enemy stays in cover like that, ADS on something else and 90% of the time they will pop out to shoot you

[smoky latch]

WH!

[inner valve]

anyone got a tank build that can still put out decent damage?

[next dawn]

heartbreaker?

[junior lagoon]

i do but people here wont like this and i dont claim it is good. i like it though especially if you can make headshots

[vernal wing]

I mean you could always do refactor, but it’s more sustain than tankage.

Any damage build can take a couple blue cores and some Protection from Elites mods if you’re just struggling to get through content alive.

[smoky latch]

What's the blue attribute on the Liquid Engineer?

[vernal wing]

Tardigrade and unbreakable are kind of band aid fixes to your problem

[inner valve]

Yeah I keep dying (I also wanna use the shield ability)

[smoky latch]

Use cover, move from cover to cover. Helps a lot initially

[junior lagoon]

that should be red.

[smoky latch]

I know but what is it?

[junior lagoon]

it is armor regen but because i did not have both red at that time

[smoky latch]

Isn't that screenshot from Patrick Wolf?

[junior lagoon]

yes

he says both should be red but he did not have it

[smoky latch]

Okok

[shy canyon]

man anyone has a smg build that slaps 🙁

[next dawn]

biggest fumble of my life

[pseudo schooner]

@silent storm sorry wdym by royalty? is it a different gear?

[smoky latch]

If you really wanna go down that route try this at least

[junior lagoon]

you mean armor on kill over regen?

what do you have on palisade?

[smoky latch]

1% Armor Regen is too low to give you any benefits

10% AoK from Gunner and 10% from 1pc PS is 20%, 4-5 kills and your armor is full

[junior lagoon]

yes but perfect bloodsucker's bonus armor is good with EB

[smoky latch]

And you have a damage talent on your backpack

Wolf's version

PS w/ Unstoppable Force version

[junior lagoon]

maybe i dont know

his reason for liquid engineer is bloodsucker is all i know

[smoky latch]

Bloodsucker is useful is you do damage. You don't do much damage with that build

If you play solo it's whatever anyway

[junior lagoon]

then replace your blues wuth red you do more damage.

[smoky latch]

But then what's the point of that build? Might as well use Memento

[rich cargo]

Any advice on these 2 "options". Going FI healer build and heal/buff allies. Or ga refractor build and do damage/heal allies. What do you guys prefer? Would love a discussion sort of

[junior lagoon]

just change the name of this channel post red builds only.

the guy asked a blue build i posted. i did not claim it is good

[smoky latch]

I followed the build suggestion you provided, how does it make it a "red build" lol

Just my proposition on what to change to be more efficient

[junior lagoon]

your point was your build was making your damage

[smoky latch]

Yeah but did I change any cores? no

[junior lagoon]

allright. i give up

[smoky latch]

You can run whatever you want, however you want. Just a proposition for a little more damage without any major changes to that build

[smoky latch]

Either, IMO

[inner valve]

what agent skills do you use?

[smoky latch]

Probably shield and decoy

[feral ore]

Hey guys, I'm kinda new and I have a question about how future perfect works. I'm using a skill build with drone and turret. Main weapon is Capacitor and the build recommended using a weapon with future perfect as a second (I'm using Mechanical Animal).

Do I need to trigger future perfect overcharge before deploying my skills to get the overcharge bonus or it doesn't matter if I already have them out?

[smoky latch]

It shouldn't matter but don't nail me on that. I don't play much with skill builds myself

[onyx sage]

it's a tongue-in-cheek statement

[vapid grove]

New player here watch is lvl 15 should i wait to do a build till after getting close to 1000

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide

[inner valve]

I do that but sometimes its kinda annoying when enemies stay behind cover where its hard to shoot them. Especially when im getting harassed by gun fire from other enemies.

I was hoping to find a build that uses the shield ability so I can go in and gun enemies down

Also is the gear shift good?

[plush thistle]

I'd say its in the top 10 lmg's that I've tried personally

my top 3 lmg's are gr9, blue screen, and e4 m60 think the 1st two though have more utility in more ways than 1

[versed summit]

Classic m60, mk46/m249, and the mg5 are really the best high ends

Gr9 only makes sense for frenzy IMO

[flat cave]

I know there is obviously better SRs out there.. but what is everyone opinion on the Mantis. I'm liking it with my Fixer Drone/Decoy Sniper Build

[plush thistle]

rip me then lol idk just feels good

[versed summit]

Its solid. It has some utility with its talent, and as long as you can q shot what you need to, no reason to switch it out really

[plush thistle]

what's the heaviest hitting SR for a hot shot build i've been using a model 700 but if theres something else to farm thats better i'll take it

[versed summit]

White death can hit harder for the first shot, but m700 hits higher cap shot iirc

[versed summit]

I'd at least check those out then :)

[flat cave]

yea, I'm using the Mantis SR now.. but have used White Death, M700, SR1, even the SVD.. all are decent.. 700 is still a bit better over some of the others

[ripe ruin]

is this on the white death?

[next dawn]

it is

[ripe ruin]

love the white death and ekims long stick but is shroud just not better

[versed summit]

You recalibrate the talent?

[next dawn]

indeed

[versed summit]

Depending what you're doing

[next dawn]

its a bricked white death that I have at expertise 29

[versed summit]

Gives higher cap damage at least

[next dawn]

well could have been more with TOC

[ripe ruin]

with a nb hotshot chainkiller build

[next dawn]

oh well

[ripe ruin]

its okay cuzzo the god rolls will come back around and bless you

[next dawn]

After -30 exotic components

[versed summit]

Nah dtooc only helps more on first shot. Weird math things

[next dawn]

What's the math formula on that?

[versed summit]

I wouldnt do that.

Shrouds more damage more damage, bit you don't always need more damage.

[plush thistle]

what do you recommend for a 3rd attribute for them all 3 if you don't mind i have a ton of lmg's stashed for this reason lol

[versed summit]

Crit chance most of the time

RoF specifically for tipping scales

[versed summit]

Basically headhunter multiplies with DTA, but not Dtooc

[ripe ruin]

with all my stacks on ive been able to one hit hunters and theres pretty high survivability being so far away so i cant really see a reason to not want the extra damage that allows you to 1hit all your enemies

[hazy hull]

Trying to get Hunter killer at the moment for perfect intermediate but how can I make this build better beyond just that

[next dawn]

I see thanks

[versed summit]

If you can 1 hit them with a less situational weapon no reason to have to use shroud

[ripe ruin]

white death comes pretty close but doesnt allow me to 1hit the higher named enemies as i would be able to with shroud as long as im keeping my stacks up

[last schooner]

I don't think Hunter Killer is worth running...just run a chest with intimidate

[strong cave]

Sounds like the named elite has a higher health pool of 19.8m, you're in a group, or your attributes are off or aren't min-maxed

[hazy hull]

Ok

[last schooner]

I mean if you find one with double crit sure, but you'd be farming for a while

[strong cave]

Can't just craft it now?

[versed summit]

Still not worth it

[ripe ruin]

id say white death is easier to just be consistent with without having to keep stacks up but since im using hotshot anyway im already managing 4 stacks so i might aswell shroud i suppose

[versed summit]

Ceska for more crit on your shotgun is probably better than hunter killer

[strong cave]

Ceska chest intimidate or even sokolov intimidate would be fine here

[next dawn]

anything I can do to buff it even more?

[strong cave]

Airaldi bag. Gift is 10% HSD only. Airaldi gives 10% more MMR damage

10% MMR > 10% HSD

[ripe ruin]

is nemesis still bugged?

[onyx sage]

it's fine tbh

[next dawn]

its 13% HSD

[strong cave]

My bad, 13. Just goes to show you I pick Airaldi over Providence 😂

[hazy hull]

Ok so ceska intimidate gotcha

[next dawn]

XD fair

[onyx sage]

hsd not multiplying with hh and being higher value than weapon damage makes it so that your top end is higher with airaldi

[next dawn]

its cooked

[onyx sage]

but the difference isn't really that big, it's only a big issue if you find you can't crack a chunga helmet

[strong cave]

Nemesis is bugged but still works... Sorta. Been playing pvp with it just fine

[ripe ruin]

😔

[strong cave]

You won't hear it charge up. But it IS charging

[plush thistle]

i was just about to ask whats wrong with it lol

[strong cave]

I say wait a good 2 seconds in scope holding trigger and you're set to shoot

[last schooner]

Can confirm Nemesis works, just the UI is bugged. Managed to kill the boss at first part of Manhunt via Turmoil with it

[ripe ruin]

with how many people just got it from grand washington being invaded im sure more attention is brought to it and itll be fixed soon

[unreal remnant]

I run the same build but with less blues. Clears all Heroic content with ease.

[strong cave]

Can confirm too, one tapped this Regen strafing loser as he was running away in conflict. All that movement just to kiss the ground lmfao

[strong cave]

Looks fine but rip your crit chance and damage

[grizzled loom]

I can’t get a heartbreaker build to work for me. I’ve tired with bighorn, kingbreaker, M60, police M4

[versed summit]

Its 13% hsd

[versed summit]

I'd really ditch Overdogs for an equalizer here tbh

[strong cave]

I realized right afterwards. I really don't touch providence anymore 💀 nor do I play much anymore either

[versed summit]

Weirdge

[strong cave]

2 jobs and still can't afford life lol

My life is literally The Division

[unreal remnant]

Not sure what you mean. CHC is max and CHD is at 108 because I'm waiting for the event to optimize

[strong cave]

Youd still get more going with Equalizer

[grizzled loom]

What do yall use for heartbreaker

[strong cave]

Managing 200 striker stacks is too much of a chore

[versed summit]

NGL.... Mark as junk

There's a heartbreaker guide in the pinned spreadsheet though if you want to mess with it

[flint arch]

heartbreaker is just jank striker imo

[versed summit]

It just FEELS worse than striker

[strong cave]

I stopped using heartbreaker because LLP isn't always reliable and pulses people like it should. Striker just gets the job done quicker with no extra steps

[flint arch]

if you want to do meaningful damage, you need to roll the cores to red, and that bonus armor won't help you out much and you end up playing bootleg striker with a vigilance backpack

[grizzled loom]

Yeah I felt like LLP wasn’t pulsing sometimes

[strong cave]

God forbid you need your bonus armor back. Gotta wait for those stacks to decay

Or you have to full swap off a heart breaker piece just to reset stacks

[flint arch]

I think HB is even bugged rn, you need to stack with an ACS-12 first

[last schooner]

tinker or overdog for OD build

[grizzled loom]

My friend has been saying that HB is goated but I don’t feel it

[strong cave]

I say both are accepted

[last schooner]

but which is better? same same?

[strong cave]

Technically Tinkerer would have more consistent uptime

Sadist + Pressure or Sadist + Strained or Sadist + Killer

[versed summit]

Measured as well

[strong cave]

Haven't bothered with Measured on an LMG. If I need burst I just slap frenzy on that bad boy

Frenzy on the m60 goes so stupidly hard. Even better when timed perfectly for mag dumping with frenzy. Brrrrrrrrrr

When are we expected to see this new update hit?

[versed summit]

Measured is just straight up better than strained

[unreal remnant]

I like HB this is a build I've been testing. Blacklisters is the new bugged version with Overdogs talent.

[strong cave]

Measured for me feels better on smaller mag weapons that also shoot slower. On LMGs they feel too weird except Gear Shift

I would've went heartbreaker chest as you'll get way more damage having twice as many stacks

[flint arch]

heartbreaker bp does nothing for your damage

[strong cave]

Unless somehow 24% TWD now beats HB chest? Idfk

The backpack I would've went Memento

Id also go with Ceska as losing 5% CHC for LLP will make you crit starved, and you have to build more crit chance due to the loss of a crit mod. Taking Equalizer isn't a bad thought, just a bit odd on a build like HB

[flint arch]

my full red HB build that i used for a grand total of 15 minutes

[strong cave]

Mine was I think 4 red 3 blue 2 yellow and took Memento and ran the tech hive thingy forgot what it's called

[flint arch]

artificer hive

[strong cave]

Yeah that thingy, the skill I never touch anymore except on my niche decoy build

[versed summit]

That works best, but zero desire to run a tech tank these days

[flint arch]

only time i use artificer hive is when i want to feel like i'm using the D3-FNC gear set again

[versed summit]

Red or ded

[strong cave]

If I'm going tech tank I'm gonna go consume iKia's tempest one

[flint arch]

PGC or bust

[strong cave]

At least that's fun for solo. Heart breaker just makes me swap back to striker

[strong cave]

How about you grow a pair and main some blacklisters for a bit 😈

That 6k received amp damage go wild

Somebody phone up @onyx sage and get this dude to run Zoo with blacklisters all red build

[flint arch]

I would if my blacklisters weren't a little... over some dogs

[strong cave]

Aw, they spent some time with the dogs? 😂

[strong cave]

LOL

Dog in the back doing who TF knows what 😂😂

[flint arch]

dien was singing in this screenshot
We then proceeded to immediately die in the next area

I blame it on dien's singing

[strong cave]

I remember in the cool cids club he was streaming and NB and I went and crashed his VC playing conflict 😂

[flint arch]

[strong cave]

Bro was struggling with the new tidal mission at the time. Asked him if he needed a carry with my decoy build, lmk and I'll hop on after conflict. Bro burst out laughing 😂

Feel bad for purple Minitank... He had to actually play with me using the build. Worked somehow 😂

[flint arch]

PGC with blacklisters for 30% and 20% damage amp

[buoyant perch]

The synergy of 600% and 60% amp

[flint arch]

Get health gated instantly by a specific enemy

[open saddle]

What is the percentage difference between flatline and killer

[subtle bluff]

depends on CHD..

if same (which isn't due to laser pointer) = < 5%

it's noticeable.

[lone violet]

for the 1886 do i wanna roll head shot dmg?

[smoky latch]

You were told, always DTOC :p

[lone violet]

so used to headshot dmg idk why

[smoky latch]

HSD on the gear pieces, yes ofc. But on weapons, DTOC

[lone violet]

bet cause im trying to use the 1886 with sharp shooter but idk what pieces are good also i plan to use tinker mask

[smoky latch]

Pretty sure we talked about it recently but I'll post a suggestion again

[open saddle]

I really don't like killer so then what's the next options

[subtle bluff]

Measured

[open saddle]

Even worse

[subtle bluff]

They do work..

But after w/e works for you

[lone violet]

well if i run tinker would running gloves for that gear set be good?

[open saddle]

I hate the change up in measured and killer is only active when u kill.......so then what can I use for upfront dmg

[smoky latch]

It would be OK but you might have issues getting the Headhunter talent rolling

[subtle bluff]

Killer is great. If you're not killing stuff welp you have other issues

[open saddle]

I guess if I want to be a meta chaser I would have to use the meta

[smoky latch]

Someone posted this recently. I tried it. The Overdogs version is clearly better. Just FYI

[buoyant perch]

If you use this, streamlined would be better

[smoky latch]

Probably, ya

[shy canyon]

tthoughts on this I need an smg build ngl

[hexed steppe]

workable. are you over the crit chance cap of 60%

[shy canyon]

not yet 45%

[shy canyon]

i know im missing the main gun etc

[hexed steppe]

is that with crit chance mods on the weapon or no

[hexed steppe]

i mean like, highlight weapon, press f

[shy canyon]

yeah i dont have the 6% protocols yet

[shy canyon]

i jusstt added another 5% lol from the grip

[hexed steppe]

😎

[shy canyon]

im trying to farm the ourubos orr whatever the name is but is hard asf to get a drop 🙁

[hexed steppe]

so ideally youll want an smg with damage to targets out of cover as 3rd attribute, which is just a matter of farming.

need to run incursion for oreo

[shy canyon]

Gotchu

[shy canyon]

Yeah hard to find a decent team

I got as far as the 3rd boss

[hexed steppe]

as your crit chance comes up, i would have an equalizer chest ready to take place of that ceska since smg has chance roll as 2nd attribute

[willow sigil]

for gear sets and brand sets you only need to get 1 piece to prof 10?

[shy canyon]

I have an equalizer ready

Decent stats

[hexed steppe]

perfect, on the right track then

[hexed steppe]

they all proficient together

[shy canyon]

So I keep this or switch to a striker

[hexed steppe]

so if you use one piece you can proficient the set, if thats what was meant

[hexed steppe]

have both available if possible

16 loadouts per agent and all

[grizzled loom]

one piece?

[serene coyote]

Guys what’s the best talent I could put on the 1886????

[warped crypt]

is it worth going from 1pc belstone to 1pc belstone + 2 golan for 2.5% armor regen instead of 1%? is it noticeable?

[serene coyote]

Best talent for the 1886 this is urgenttttttt and the best build for the 1886

[magic pilot]

Rifleman for headshot builds

[serene coyote]

What about vindictive?

[magic pilot]

For pve no

[magic pilot]

Definitely not the best

[serene coyote]

And what about the attributes?

[magic pilot]

Dtooc always

[serene coyote]

Chc?

[hexed steppe]

streamlined is good for 1886 too

[serene coyote]

Or chd

[magic pilot]

Always has chd

[serene coyote]

I just need the best talent and attributes for the 1886 and the best build

[hexed steppe]

oh, so just everything

[magic pilot]

For crit diamonds back or Virginian is best

[serene coyote]

Ight best talent and build

[magic pilot]

Headshot streamlined or rifleman

[serene coyote]

Might do streamline?

[hexed steppe]

what i use. its headshot build

[serene coyote]

What’s your dmg on that build?

[hexed steppe]

idk, like 35mil fully stacked headhunter

1886 is similar damage to white death iirc

[lone glacier]

Do you use a Nemesis to trigger higher headhunter damage and then switch to Mantis? But thats probably just too much of a timewaste to pull of at the start

[willow sigil]

for hotshot, what am i supposed to do against juggernauts?

[silent storm]

Shoot them in the head

[hexed steppe]

no, i dont keep nemesis on me

[willow sigil]

am i supposed to be able to 1 tap them?

[smoky latch]

Two tap; given you have HH fully stacked

[lone glacier]

Probably not worth it either if I had to guess

[silent storm]

If you got enough HSD and DMG

[livid sorrel]

just pop the helmet and headshot then go back to your regular headshotting

[hexed steppe]

you definitely can use it as a starter. many do

[silent storm]

You should atleast break their helmet in 1 hit

[serene coyote]

Should I have CHC or DTOOC on my Elmo’s?

[livid sorrel]

DTOOC always

[serene coyote]

Ty

[hexed steppe]

determined has ruined agents

[lone glacier]

dtooc everything besides LMG, LMGs CHC

[hexed steppe]

😔

[serene coyote]

Then what in LMG?

[silent storm]

I have DttooC on all my LMGs

[lone glacier]

CHC on LMGs as they have base dtooc

[serene coyote]

So everything DTOOC besides LMGs which are CHC

[lone glacier]

Man so many builds I still want to setup.. pain

[serene coyote]

Any tips on how to get the equaliser with good rolls for my big al / blue screen build? I keep getting the same damm rubbish equaliser

[smoky latch]

Yeah be persistent

[silent storm]

Countdown

[smoky latch]

Just keep farming, preferably on higher difficulties

I'd personally recommend Retaliations

[serene coyote]

I do I farm on heroic countdown nonstop I get all rubbish

[silent storm]

My small sample size farming #td2-build-advice message

[smoky latch]

Switch it up with OW TL farming if available, Retaliations, Summit

[serene coyote]

OW TL?

[smoky latch]

Open world targeted loot

[silent storm]

Open World Target loot

[serene coyote]

Yeah I do all that😭 unit alloys for the equaliser and still absolutely rubbish rolls

[smoky latch]

Change your TL to sth else for a while and it will probably drop :p

I've had that too many times lol

[terse crater]

change it to chest peices

that way you still have a chance of it dropping

[civic meteor]

If ya had to say something what’s wrong with my build?

[buoyant perch]

It looks ok for solo, what's your crit ratio?

[civic meteor]

51% crit chance
95% crit damage

[wind radish]

Are there any worthwhile builds around the Harrier Pride backpack?

[civic meteor]

I have neither of the watch slots maxed either

[split rain]

keep leveling up until SHD 1000 , you should be fine

[buoyant perch]

Kinda OK for 1:2 ratio. The SMG could be changed to SMG-9 killer. That exotic isn't that good.

[smoky latch]

Yeah just use the M4 and change the Oxpecker

[civic meteor]

Damn, well I only keep the Oxpecker bc the rate of fire is so high and I’ve rolled it to do damage out of cover so it’s my prime run and gun weapon whilst I use the m4 when I’m behind cover and low on armour

Also that sweet +20-30%crit chance on the weapon

[astral kraken]

drop oxpecker. it's not good. elmo actually does really well with that build. if you don't have elmo or lexington then famas with measured.

[civic meteor]

I know it’s not the best but I’m really able to shred with it

Not really an Elmo fan

Perhaps I should try the Famas

[astral kraken]

just answering your question. your build, your decisions

[civic meteor]

I know I know I’m not trying to like argue or not take your advice

[astral kraken]

backfire is another great choice for that build if you want an smg

[civic meteor]

Thank you

[astral kraken]

once your memento stacks are up you'll offset the bleed easily

and it's an absolute woodchipper of a gun

[civic meteor]

I was using the backfire before this but the bleed was a little too much for my taste

Perhaps I go back

[astral kraken]

yea the effect and slowing is annoying for sure. it's good to have one fully optimized and whip it out from time to time.

[civic meteor]

Mm

Yeah I’ll think on it

I know the oxpecker isn’t the best idk why I have this attachment too it

[buoyant perch]

No reason to suffer the bleed/slowing of backfire over the SMG-9 killer

[civic meteor]

What’s the talent for that perfect killer?

[buoyant perch]

Just regular killer, the full name is converted smg-9

[dull lily]

guys, what things should I prioritize in my build if I want to scale up the difficulty?

[split rain]

well without any context , get crit damage as high as you could , maybe throw in few blue cores to help with survival

what difficulty you are trying to do and what do you struggle with ?

[fresh sequoia]

Anyone got a strong sheriff build that also deals with its super slow reload?

[solar sable]

HHF

[smoky latch]

Striker's

[solar sable]

but sir, HF helps with the CC talent and thus the slow reload

[smoky latch]

15% WH from Striker's plus no range limitation from gear

Was my thought process

[cyan drift]

another vendor reset, another reason to fire the campus vendor

[solar sable]

I like your thinking, we should be friends

[languid wasp]

Any chance if anyone could give full explanation build with St Elmo Engine?

[solar sable]

Strikers?

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?usp=sharing

you can ask here if you have questions

[languid wasp]

Well, im thinking which one would the best solo PVE build, I got two in my minds

[languid wasp]

Very well, thank you.

Probably going ST Elmo with Heartbreaker gearset

[smoky latch]

Noooooooo

Striker's, Memento, roll 1-2 cores to armor and you're good

That way you have survivability and do decent damage

HB blue doesn't do much damage. For solo it's alright but in group play it's gonna be marshmellows

[languid wasp]

So the meta would be St Elmo with Striker then?

[thick meteor]

Yep

[smoky latch]

Pretty much still meta, yes

[languid wasp]

I need like a build where I can do sustain damage while able to tank and not getting my ass one shot by random sniper

if Striker is the way, imma go with it.

[smoky latch]

Well you can't have both

[solar sable]

getting one shot isn't possible

[smoky latch]

You can either be on the tankier side on cost of damage, or you'll do more damage but can't take as much. Which is OK, because cover

I'd say Striker's with Memento and according to your needs additional blue cores (I would not go higher than two blue cores max.) is a good middle ground

[ripe ruin]

united ironworks master snipers have something to tell you

[solar sable]

ik about them

[smoky latch]

Those are the raid snipers, they're "special"

[languid wasp]

Alright, I will take your words.

But rn, I'm lvl 28 💀

[solar sable]

they are the only exception for health gate

[smoky latch]

That's okay, you can run Countdown on challenging to gear up

[languid wasp]

My friend forced me to this game and now I'm addicted to it.

[smoky latch]

That's good, welcome to the club

[languid wasp]

This should able to guide me through the striker build, yes?

[solar sable]

aaaaall the waaay

[languid wasp]

Gracias, buddy. I will ask more questions in the future.

[solar sable]

WAIT

[smoky latch]

The Memento version ain't part of it

[languid wasp]

a

[solar sable]

read this too Lvl40 Starters Guide

[smoky latch]

You forwarded an image for that

[solar sable]

I'll talk that with Chow

[languid wasp]

oh, that's even much better

[solar sable]

lemme grab it rq

[smoky latch]

Thank you

[solar sable]

This is the build INF is referring to, @languid wasp

[languid wasp]

wait, I can change police m4 with St Elmo right?

[solar sable]

ye

weapons can be almost anything u want

[languid wasp]

Alright, that should done it.
Thanks everyone, have a great day.

[flint arch]

Unbreakable is an option for additional survivability, but it comes

[solar sable]

unless my name is Chow, I didn't make that

[flint arch]

[subtle bluff]

Who said my name?

[ripe ruin]

guys just spawning in like the undertaker

[flint arch]

Chow

[subtle bluff]

I'm am a chow

[buoyant perch]

Amen, awomen and achow

[solar sable]

bless you

[flint arch]

What does Chow chow down on

[summer totem]

I feel like coyote mask is lacking compared to memento

[thick meteor]

Coyotes is like a year 1 exo, while memento is like a year5(?) Exo, so the quality between exos can be seen

[buoyant perch]

It's that the backpack talents are really strong so you lose some instant damage with memento which you need to build stacks overtime

[summer totem]

But then again i think the team buff makes up for it?

[silver coral]

why is gr9 not included in here?
isn't g9 good because of its 200 ammo

[summer totem]

Anyone got a sustaining build? I wanna be like those mf who's armor regenerates per hit somehow

[buoyant perch]

Lower dps

[summer totem]

Like how this dude plays, what in tarnation is that gear set that makes his armor regenerate like that

[solar sable]

its fun to use, but it offers lower dps, I use it for the same reason: bigger mag

[silver coral]

ohh so its not good for longer run then

[solar sable]

it is good for solo

you can kill named enemies in one or half a mag without worrying about running out of HP ammo

I used it in solo Retaliations as it shines a lot

[silver coral]

how about countdown?

[solar sable]

you would be more a support than a DPS in that case

[silver coral]

got it id rather get blue screen then if im going to support

[solar sable]

that build only works in PvP, ask for something similar in #td2-pvp-discussions

[thick meteor]

Couldnt you run with this with od and bluescreen?

[silver coral]

thats what im planning to

[solar sable]

you can indeed use Bluescreen with that OD setup for the CC

[thick meteor]

Alright, time to pull that old thing out of storage, and cobble together a od setup

-# and grind retals cuz of my lack of recon and shd recals

[solar sable]

although you miss out on sadist and Tinkerer
are you really willing to lose those buffs for CC?

[thick meteor]

I am not going to grind tinkerer 😭

-# or wait till i can get a bp from retal

[grizzled loom]

What do you mean grind tinkerer? Like get the mask or

[silver coral]

yes please i love support

[solar sable]

yes, Tinkerer was originally obtained from Master Manager climax mission

[solar sable]

ig for Support purposes dmg doesnt really matter

[silver coral]

how is this for support?

or maybe i should get salvo instead for easier stacks of bluescreen

[flint arch]

actually since you're going for support, use coyote's instead of overdogs

[solar sable]

I havent messed up that much with OD, try it out although I recommend Coyotes for support

[solar sable]

fkn mind reader

[next dawn]

its similar to mine

[silver coral]

lavoiser?

what brand is that named backpack?

[solar sable]

Electrique

[flint arch]

it's a unicorn

🦄

[solar sable]

not the goddamn 👊 💥 unicorn!!

I hate unicorns

[next dawn]

Lol

[silver coral]

also how much CHC do i need since il be using cayote

[flint arch]

50-55%

[next dawn]

Toc is multiplicative correct?

[solar sable]

DTOC is a multi

[next dawn]

Perfect

[languid wasp]

A..formula

[next dawn]

Welcome to the world of math

[solar sable]

wait no

[languid wasp]

I've escaped Dota 2 for learning formula in Division 2.

[solar sable]

changed it, mb

[next dawn]

Doesn't change much still mutiplictive

[dawn perch]

need help with this build....
it seem like I am getting targeted (with decoy out) if switch out like three cores for red and using a Bluescreen. Is there way to increase surivviabilty for this build?

[solar sable]

no wonder why the game's name is after a mathematic operation 🤣

[next dawn]

Xd

[languid wasp]

What a bummer, at least the numbers will skyrocket whenever I hit level 40.

[next dawn]

IMHO I don't really see anything that can add survivability

[dawn perch]

Well i trying get surivabilty via reduced threat with decoy and cc with foam. Mostly meant for group. But i end up dying too much rsther then being one to pick people up

[next dawn]

Tbh I personally would switch over to future initiatives over hardwire

[subtle bluff]

so confused

[next dawn]

Ikr

[dawn perch]

It meant to dump a lot of decoy out and cc

[next dawn]

I see where you want to go with it but I just don't see it working here...tbh with you

You can try taking cloak knee pads rolled core to skill tier

[subtle bluff]

EP would just do it better

[dawn perch]

Does ep require rhe target to die or is it YOU have kill it?

[subtle bluff]

Target to die

while CC

[molten lodge]

is it jus rngesus to get max roll gear mods even playing on master i dont get them

[solar sable]

as usual

[molten lodge]

smh, why is it harder to get gear mods than exotics crazy to me

[solar sable]

?

[molten lodge]

obviously ive done that shits rares than diamonds

[flint arch]

named enemies are guaranteed to drop a minimum of one piece of loot from the TL

[grizzled loom]

best build fro backfire?

[grizzled loom]

whats that armor

[solar sable]

4pc Hunters Fury, Ceska w/Intimidate and Memento

[grizzled loom]

why memento

[fallen flume]

Countdown also seems to drop em pretty consistently, even with other TL selected. Of course, that also means running countdown and putting yourself at the mercy of PUGs

[fallen flume]

Memento trophies give bonus armor, which activates intimidate

[solar sable]

Survivability + Bonus armor + Run & Gun style

[grizzled loom]

what mods? cc or chd?

[solar sable]

CHC and CHD

[fallen flume]

Depends on your CHC roll on Backfire and gear. SMG CHC rolls can get pretty high (up to 21%, iirc)

[flint arch]

it's very easy to get to 60% CHC with SMGs, dump the rest into CHD

[willow sigil]

Why am I only getting firefly mods. Am I doing something incorrect?

[fallen flume]

Nah, Firefly mods are just obnoxiously common drops

[next dawn]

Unlucky on rng

[fallen flume]

It's free printer filament tho

[next dawn]

It is till expertise eats it all

[spark mortar]

what’s the typical setup people use for gunner? i got a striker build im going with

[flint arch]

typically anything that shoots more than 1 bullet every second

[spark mortar]

no the specialist tree hh

[flint arch]

i dunno, you usually can max everything out except for the specific weapon damage buffs section

i personally put points in AR, LMG and SMG

[spark mortar]

oh yeah i forgot

i only maxed out demo so it wasn’t fresh in my mind

[hazy kernel]

Does anybody know what the +45% Hive Efficiency from the Birdie's Quick Fix Pack does?

[dawn perch]

Its skill efficency for specifcally the hive skill. Is what think it does

[subtle bluff]

It's bug last I check but they said they fixed.. IDK It's a non important stats

[hazy kernel]

yea but that can mean a lot, how fast the charges recharge or smth else D:

[hushed gorge]

i have a question
Does Skill Repair mod do anything on a refractor build?
does it increase the refractor gear sets healing?

[subtle bluff]

no

[spark mortar]

hypothetically, what other exotic armors are good for striker build? i’m using overdogs but curious about my other options

[buoyant perch]

Coyote, momento

[subtle bluff]

but also there not needed

[short verge]

not the best showcase, turmoil and tipping scales with big alejandro got me feeling excited

[spark mortar]

did you mean memento

[visual depot]

overdogs vs coyote mask, what should i play

[short verge]

pimentaco

[flint arch]

Exodus

[versed summit]

in addition Nimble or exodus can be nice for some added survivability. There's also some nicher options for specific scenrarios, but big thing to elaborate on is the best striker build IMO doesn't have exotics anyways

[spark mortar]

really? what do people use then

[versed summit]

this guy gets it

[spark mortar]

ah

what do those do

[versed summit]

does less damage than standard striker?

[buoyant perch]

did I stutter?

[flint arch]

it does less damage than standard striker and is harder to play, but is useful in stuff like legendary where

1. you get health gated easily anyways, with or without PGC
2. enemy prioritization is way more important than adhering to overdogs effect. you need to murder that drone operator or marauder or warhound ASAP

it will also have varying effectiveness depending on how well you play, since getting hit hampers your damage output

[spark mortar]

perchance

my survivability is just from gunners armor on kill and an unstoppable palisade chest

works pretty nicely for me

[short verge]

opinion id like to add is just use what you vibe with the most before dabbling into the meta

if you're slaying out with what you have without getting your shit rocked within the first few seconds of an encounter, lean more into whatever play style that is

[spark mortar]

just hoping to get the engine, i got the chameleon as my AR of choice right now

[versed summit]

I'd definitely recommend trying exodus if you're using unbreakable. it's basically just unbreakable with a shorter cooldown and still lets you take obliterate

[flint arch]

did they mean unstoppable force

[versed summit]

they said chest?

[flint arch]

oh im dumb

[versed summit]

could be either, but that seemed more likely

[flint arch]

i ctrl + f in the spreadsheet but forgot to read the leftmost column

[slate wedge]

1% efficiency equals 1% of every yellow attribute so:

1% skill damage
1% skill haste
1% skill duration
1% skill health
1% status effect
1% repair skills

[flint arch]

@spark mortar note that exodus effect will often be unable to fully restore your armor on its own

but it can do one thing that unbreakable can't, and that is take you out of combat

this gives you precious seconds to run the hell away

[spark mortar]

what’s exodus do

[ivory abyss]

smoke screen

[hazy kernel]

ohhhh damn, thank you so much

[slate wedge]

no problem, that is in the Spread sheet btw

[flint arch]

makes you exit combat on armor break

[hazy kernel]

which spread sheet? or do you mean how you typed all skill modifiers?

[flint arch]

the spreadsheet in the pinned messages of this channel

[spark mortar]

funky

i’ll try to find one sometime, seems nice

what armor is it?

or is it a set

[flint arch]

exotic gloves

[spark mortar]

bet

[hazy kernel]

ohh thx

[flint arch]

you can find it easily just from setting TL to gloves, i got 5 or so copies just from doing random shit

[spark mortar]

countdown moment

[flint arch]

i was trying to get overdogs

but i kept getting exodus and... rugged gauntlets 🤢

[spark mortar]

i got mine from the season pass crates

[flint arch]

i hate you

[spark mortar]

I got two actually

[flint arch]

well i crafted two anyway so

[spark mortar]

the one i’m using has max crit chance and damage :))

the weapon damage roll could be better but that’s okay

[spark mortar]

i think mines like 8 something

[flint arch]

i can feel better now

[spark mortar]

you had to craft yours 🫵

[rich cargo]

How much damage is the difference between refractor skill build and just a normal full skill damage build? Like if the normal skillbuild is a 10/10 in damagr what is refractor on that scale?

Juat curious

[flint arch]

shut up

[spark mortar]

nuh uh

[flint arch]

[spark mortar]

anyone got an explosive build 👀

[spark mortar]

hi capacitor

[flint arch]

another victim fallen to the mortarganda

[spark mortar]

i have my demo maxxed so figured i’d see what there is to do

[spark mortar]

what all the gear, only thing i recognize is the capacitor 🥀

[hexed steppe]

or something like this for cluster spam. any redeployable skill can replace shield as feedback loop proc (hive, turret), or maybe chem launcher since 8 shots

[flint arch]

oh dangit i just noticed i have china light kneepads with skill damage and haste

and the named hana-u backpack

[spark mortar]

why is it blue

[hexed steppe]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19mY6aOHO0R6BIq7nDFNTk2bducYQkpwsQJNDQhnekAI/edit?usp=drive_link

[flint arch]

colorblind filter

[spark mortar]

colorblind in 2026

[flint arch]

it is used by people who are (usually) not colorblind because it has an additional overlay for skill/grenade radius and makes it a lot clearer to see

also enemy mortars iirc

[spark mortar]

perhaps i shall become colorblind then

[hexed steppe]

for a starter mortar you dont need my full unicorn setup. you can use 3 empress, 2x hanna , and btsu or contractor gloves

[tidal cave]

this my build any idea how i can incrass my damage more like is there exotic lmg i can get

[hexed steppe]

screenshot your stats tab

[spark mortar]

big Alejandro is good, but i prefer the gear shift lowkey

[flint arch]

i prefer iron lung

[flint arch]

wow, that CHC is a bit horrendous

[tidal cave]

i was useing the big alejandro i hate the talent on it tho

[rich cargo]

Lolz🤣

[flint arch]

actually wait, both CHC and CHD are really low here

[hexed steppe]

bring your crit chance up. you have the correct bones (layout) but youll want better crit chance to increase your dps

[flint arch]

what are the attributes on your pieces? and also mods on your weapons

[spark mortar]

you want crit chance on your armor if you can

[rich cargo]

He misses 2 mods(backpack and chest)

[flint arch]

that equalizer tho... oof

[tidal cave]

i want other

[hexed steppe]

you would also want to farm out an lmg with crit chance as the 3rd attribute. im sure its missing on this one

[flint arch]

there might also be crit mods missing on the lmg

[flint arch]

welp this lmg is bricked because the talent got recalibrated

[tidal cave]

yea put talent on it

[hexed steppe]

roll crit chance on the holster, knee, chest(replace haste on chest)

[flint arch]

going to link the Striker guide here for good measure

[tidal cave]

should i use the exotic lmg i have the big al

[flint arch]

big al can be used, but you really, really, REALLY need CHC on it

[hexed steppe]

at this point, you may end up with worst chance

do you have st elmo?

its probably the best option for new agents since it has a lot of chance and damage

[tidal cave]

wait i want chc on all my peaces first

[hexed steppe]

right now, yeah. crit damage only comes into play when you crit. crit chance determines how much you crit

[tidal cave]

what the max chc u can get

[rich cargo]

60

[flint arch]

60%

[spark mortar]

it’s fine if one your pieces has crit damage just make sure the rest has chance

[hexed steppe]

as you unlock crit chance weapon mods and watch, youll be able to shift some of those chance rolls back to crit damage. you want a minimum 50% crit chance on dps setups

[tidal cave]

i need better equalizer

any of these exotic good

[flint arch]

some are good exotics, but none will really work for you rn at your current progress

[thick meteor]

They aight, as long as you can build them

[livid sorrel]

2 alejandros is insane

[hexed steppe]

oxpecker, sweet dreams, and dread can become components. the rest have a place in the stash untill you find a use

[spark mortar]

chameleon is a good alternative to st elmos

[tidal cave]

i just notice i have 2 peaces on chd

[spark mortar]

i’m currently using chameleon and gear shift and they work great

[hexed steppe]

and yes, i see the cham folks... its a stash weapon for new agents even if it gets hate from the community

[spark mortar]

still trying to get st elmo’s though

[tidal cave]

i just put hitchance on the mask

[subtle bluff]

Not really.. It's really an SMG.

[flint arch]

chameleon has been permanently banished to my stash since I was SHD 1

[subtle bluff]

What is going on here with al these SS...

[subtle bluff]

Why? I love cham HF

[spark mortar]

still good though

[hexed steppe]

but it is in your stash

[spark mortar]

it works well with striker since they both benefit from just getting hits

[subtle bluff]

It good if treated like an SMG. Is not any AR due it's range issues

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[flint arch]

i don't like HF maybe that's why

[tidal cave]

any idea how i get that one mat i can make my chc better

[subtle bluff]

HF solo is probably the most powerful builds out there.

[spark mortar]

just run countdown till you get a better one

probably faster

[tidal cave]

ive never once seen exotic drop inside countdown ive goten all my exotics from retal

[hexed steppe]

cleaner named enemies iirc. goto ny and knock out cleaner bounties

[flint arch]

well i love my pvgc striker too much to even switch to a different build for more than 15 minutes so

[hexed steppe]

someone correct if there is a better source

time for work, tc folks

[tidal cave]

i got this lmg

[flint arch]

we kinda need to know what LMG it is