td2-build-advice

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 i'm curious if someone spoke chinese to them if they'd completely understand

[willow sigil]

my daughter is going to be like that, i think my heritage ends with me

[flint arch]

not completely, but I would probably get most of it

of course, it depends on what dialect of Chinese we're talking about, they're not mutually intelligible

but I feel like we're rather off-topic in a channel called #td2-build-advice

[cerulean smelt]

nods such is the way of asian languages. least i've seen a show where there was a different japanese dialect and that threw me through a loop, not good with japanese anymore but trying to relearn it

[willow sigil]

what is this 120 out of 200?

[cerulean smelt]

i was going to joke wwith you @flint arch that you bought the dien hax 😹

[smoky latch]

80 more items donated to reach level 4

[flint arch]

80 more proficiency levels actually

[willow sigil]

as in, 80 more prof levels in total?

okay so right now i have 120 total levels of overall prof?

[smoky latch]

Yeah this

[flint arch]

no, you have a lot more than that, it's just that you got 120 proficiency levels out of the required 200 for your level

[willow sigil]

oh okay i see, so its broken up into chunks, once i get 80 more total prof it goes back to 0

[flint arch]

yes

[broken edge]

for this level you already 120 points and need 80 more

[willow sigil]

is it always out of 200? or does it increase?

[broken edge]

it varies actually

[willow sigil]

of course

[broken edge]

later ones need only 90

[flint arch]

I think at a certain point the requirement dro- yeah that

[willow sigil]

oh i see

[broken edge]

because of gear slowly being introduced

[cerulean smelt]

so the expertise thing they're looking at would be this aspect?

[smoky latch]

Apparently the path to full expertise will be made easier next season but no info on how exactly

[broken edge]

cant tell the numbers for each level but it should be around 200 for a while then decreases

[flint arch]

it does get more difficult to get proficiency later on though because by then you probably have a bunch of random stuff already at max proficiency which won't contribute to your total proficiency level anymore

[willow sigil]

this is still the most valid hs build?

[cerulean smelt]

especially the skills and specialziations

[flint arch]

replace the gloves with Overdogs and you get standard Hotdogs

[willow sigil]

so just 3p? which is the more optimal?

[flint arch]

the 4pc hotshot effect is useful, but you better count on yourself being able to consistently hit headshots (or if you use determined like a PLEB)

[smoky latch]

This or HotDog

[flint arch]

otherwise, stick with 3pc for the stat buffs

[cerulean smelt]

wouldn't hotdog hit harder?

[willow sigil]

wtf is a hotdog

[flint arch]

3pc hotshot + overdogs

[cerulean smelt]

that setup but Overdogs Exotic Gloves

[willow sigil]

i do have a maxed out overdogs, ill just use that instead

[flint arch]

as for myself, I prefer my hotdogs broken so I can use rifles

[cerulean smelt]

i should've prototyped hotshot and aim for the headshot modifier to see how it fared 😹

[willow sigil]

if i have something like this, because i havent gotten a better one, do i roll hsd or vigilance?

[flint arch]

uhhhh

check The Gift

[willow sigil]

i also have this i can roll hsd on, dunno which is better

[cerulean smelt]

i'd venture if that gift has weapon handling or headshot damage use that until you get the 1 backpack in corrupt's picture

[willow sigil]

none are good rolled

[flint arch]

you can use this for now until you get a better airaldi backpack

[smoky latch]

Throw Vigi on it until you get a better one

[flint arch]

okay uhh

[smoky latch]

Well, or his Gift with HSD on it

[cerulean smelt]

trust me i was hoping you had a hsd/wh on gift 😹

[willow sigil]

airaldi is hard to farm no? you basically need perfect attributes

[flint arch]

it's like any red high-end backpack

[willow sigil]

does it naturally roll red?

[flint arch]

yes

[smoky latch]

Kind of, if you have 2/3 requirements you can re-roll one attribute

[cerulean smelt]

nah, if you were looking for Habsburg tha'td be hell

[smoky latch]

Habsburg is nearly impossible without a looooooooooooot of extra effort, aka crafting

[flint arch]

and optimization

[smoky latch]

Sure, that too

[willow sigil]

that chest in the picture is chainkiller correct? and i want hsd and handling?

[flint arch]

yes

[willow sigil]

for my weapon i just roll determined on this? or is there another attribute i want on an mmr?

[smoky latch]

Ranger on MMR is nice too

[cerulean smelt]

determined if you want constant headshots with limb shots

[willow sigil]

yeah i need to not have to hit headshots as bad that as sounds

[smoky latch]

Determined makes everything super trivial. I just use it for farming purposes alone or with buddies

[willow sigil]

thats all i want to make this build for, to farm 4 cps

[cerulean smelt]

i use it for them objectives in journeys and what not

speaking of journeys. need to log in and complete the few for div 1 mask 🤔

[willow sigil]

i kind of found out, after you max out your build, there isnt much end game chase, you kind of just do the same thing over and over working on expertiese i guess, for whatever reason

[junior lagoon]

Any use for goalie?

[smoky latch]

Welcome to live-service (looter shooter) games

[lament reef]

when you max one build you get to try another one

[flint arch]

I find that Mantis is good for aim training since you can spam decoys to keep the enemies distracted forever so you can take your time to headshot them

[cerulean smelt]

once you got 30 expertise you chase after FOMO's 😹

[lament reef]

bored of strikers? try (bluescreen) negotiators?
bored of that? try OD
and so on

[willow sigil]

i mean d2 had reasons to chase better gear, we used to get raids every year, that was our constant end game. here, i dunno, maybe just legendary missions, and then whenever escalation comes out

[smoky latch]

Yeah endgame activities were mostly disregarded here

[flint arch]

things move much more slowly in div 2 I guess

[smoky latch]

But Div2 had a rollercoaster history, need to mention this

[willow sigil]

ill just work on completionist things and then call it day, ive already gotten well over my 10 dollars worth

[cerulean smelt]

ohh, tempted to keep this 🤔

[west kiln]

What's LLP?

[smoky latch]

Linked laser pointer from the Technician spec

[west kiln]

Ah

[junior lagoon]

pulses enemies

[green fulcrum]

As a newbie in Division 2, is there a recommended build site or streamer to go to for build ideas?

[smoky latch]

iKia mostly

[still yew]

hi!

is countdown really the best place to farm the memento backpack?

[green fulcrum]

Ive been seeing alot of kBoosting build site on the forums, is it a good site? Or should i just stick with iKia

[smoky latch]

Bookmark these:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/mobilebasic

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LPnA18PDgGg_dEbNI1kZVTVIMGXNHQS_

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1380412817#gid=1380412817

https://buildstation.app/

[smoky latch]

Using boosting services is against the TOS of Ubisoft

Seems like widdz didn't get the memo tho 😂

[green fulcrum]

no, its not just a boosting service. The site offers builds and guides for players without boosting lol.

[green fulcrum]

But ill stick with iKia and what you linked. Thank you 🙂

[smoky latch]

Yeah best way for good builds, yw

[onyx sage]

their guides eventually steer you to using their services anyway, and that's already ignoring how the guides' advice are most of the time not the best either

[lone violet]

question blue screen can drop from exotic cases if i unlocked the bp right?

[patent fossil]

Yes

[lone violet]

ok cause im not having any lluck

[subtle bluff]

IMO stop giving out the build collection to newer players give them this instead from iKia
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?tab=t.0

[lone violet]

there has to be a better way to get the blue screen

[subtle bluff]

@flint arch you too above

[subtle bluff]

what are you doing?

[lone violet]

bashing my head on count down and gambling wit hthe exotic cases

[subtle bluff]

It's not in your general loot pool

you need the blueprint first

[smoky latch]

I usually link both so the players can decide what they wanna use themselves. At least they have all relevant sources right on hand

[subtle bluff]

The link to the collection is in the his recommend builds too.

[subtle bluff]

oh RNG is just being RNG to you

[smoky latch]

I know, but making it easier to find. I like options so I recommend options. If someone feels "overwhelmed" they can always ask for assistance

[lone violet]

There’s a true son mission where lmg are the loot pool

Currently but idk if that’s better to keep doing count down

[lone violet]

Is it better to farm this or just do countdown

[subtle bluff]

it's all RNG there not better chance anywhere.

IMO just farm other stuff it'll pop up at some point.. Don't for get exo caches and priot obj stuff

[lone violet]

I saw that count down is way lower with the amount of loot you get there

[lone violet]

I did and the game gave me rigged gloves

[subtle bluff]

No.

[lone violet]

LEGENDARY MISSION TOO

[subtle bluff]

so slightly better...

[flint arch]

wut
sorry i was in the middle of countdown

hazpro foam works wonders

[subtle bluff]

for linking builds using iKia's: 0.01 iKia's Recommended Builds
and not just a his build collection.

[flint arch]

i never linked to his entire build collection

[subtle bluff]

k just checking

[flint arch]

the only build collection i have linked so far in my time here has been the build hub in the spreadsheet

[verbal blade]

Is system corruption worth interest in case of DZ PVP or not really

[ornate moss]

Is it 60% where chc maxes out

[solar sable]

that's the cap, yes

[smoky latch]

No, not anymore

[verbal blade]

can you explain me simply why?

[smoky latch]

Because it got changed (possibly with Project Resolve) and it's not competetive against other builds anymore. At least not for the average player. You can make it work but it is rather tough to master

[cerulean smelt]

builds like Heartbreaker, Bighorn armor regen Headshot builds just outclasses it and umbra

[smoky latch]

Umbra seems out "outclass" pretty much everything in the DZ

[verbal blade]

Heartbreaker is successful in PVP? I always considered it being PVE sustain build

[cerulean smelt]

i've read it's great against heartbreaker

[misty orbit]

What is the difference between all these

[smoky latch]

Different skill variants benefit from each

[misty orbit]

which benefits the artificer?

[smoky latch]

Stinger charges - stinger hive
Repair charges - restorer hive
Stim charges - artificer IIRC

[junior lagoon]

it is very complicated. they never tell you which skill use which

[verbal blade]

can you recommend me some entry build for DZ?

[smoky latch]

Yeah that system got totally neglected

[smoky latch]

The pinned spreadsheet in this channel has a "PvP starter guide"

[cerulean smelt]

believe the build hubs in the Pins upper right hand corner has a guide

[misty orbit]

oooooh bet

[smoky latch]

For more info and details check #td2-pvp-discussions

[lean cairn]

anyone know a endgame build for seeker and hive please

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1GN69iUrteLediJjwFtT9-MBe8HRBgyCHascJtok1Q-Y/edit

Don't expect crazy damage, it's all about seeker spam

[verbal blade]

thanks, didn't knew that, will check

[smoky latch]

And team support with the BTSU gloves

[lean cairn]

ty

[verbal blade]

are skill builds a thing in PVP or dont bother?

[smoky latch]

Yes, they can be

Mortar and status effects especially

[verbal blade]

status is Foam, flame pistol etc right?

[smoky latch]

Explo/fire sticky, fire chem launcher mostly, yes

[verbal blade]

what is "mortar"?

[smoky latch]

Artillery

[verbal blade]

as the turret?

[smoky latch]

Yes

[verbal blade]

are we talking about this class specific turret from Demo or turret at all

[smoky latch]

Only demo spec has it

[ornate moss]

@smoky latch How do I improve this now?

[smoky latch]

If you wanna see what's possible with skill builds in the DZ look up "GamerNesto" on YT. Old footage as he is not active anymore but just to get an idea

That SOB was the best DZ skill build player I have ever met

[verbal blade]

ok so i know which one, what about it, i remember using it for short time and its use was highly specific

[smoky latch]

Solid build, try to get a GR9 with Frenzy tho

[ornate moss]

Can I re roll talents on guns

[lone violet]

Is it better to run count down then?

[smoky latch]

And of course improve your attribute rolls over time, either farm new pieces or optimize as your materials allow it

[smoky latch]

What are you talking about?

[lone violet]

Trying to get the blue screen to drop and I have the bp but rng messing

[cerulean smelt]

You can if you didn't change the 3rd attribute

[smoky latch]

Retaliations, Priority Objectives, exo caches from wherever

[lone violet]

Isn’t there a double credit for countdown?

[smoky latch]

Anything with targeted loot too

[smoky latch]

Yup

[lone violet]

I was farming Lincoln memorial

[smoky latch]

Works too. I'd prefer that over CD, personally. But up to you

[lone violet]

No luck yet I might as well take advantage of the double credit countdown event

[cerulean smelt]

Can run it on lower difficulties and get it, but the roll quality probably drops a lot below challenging

[smoky latch]

It's ultimately RNG but you can finish LM in about 5-7 minutes with a dedicated team

[lone violet]

Also is bullet king good cause that gun seems to drop a lot for me😭

[ornate moss]

Done, what skills best for this build?

[smoky latch]

Bullet King not really good. Has decent sustain damage but meh

[cerulean smelt]

It's used in a specific raid mechanic at least?

[smoky latch]

Up to you. You don't have the decoy skill yet, right?

[ornate moss]

Don’t think so? How do u get it

[smoky latch]

A reviver hive would make sense, but you can practice playing without as well

Theo Parnell mission, The Tombs in NY

Maybe shield and reviver hive for now then

[ornate moss]

Thanks my goat

[onyx sage]

i got provocator exotic chest instead, how do i get decoy sir

[smoky latch]

What? 😄

[ornate moss]

Which shield is best

[smoky latch]

You're fkn with my head rn

[onyx sage]

is decoy skill free

[smoky latch]

Since you run an AR mainly you pick the crusader shield

[smoky latch]

For now, yes. After the anniversary event ends players need the WoNY DLC, no?

[ornate moss]

I am now him

[onyx sage]

ohhhhhh i need to get my mom to buy the dlc for me

[smoky latch]

Yeah, better than stealing it from her to buy it and then get grounded for a month

[flint arch]

i probably need to remove more of the hidden snark in my guide honestly

[flint arch]

don't worry she won't notice 14 dollars use her credit card now

[plain girder]

Does incoming repairs affect white flag from true patriot?

[tall jackal]

Thats great overtime you'll get better stats and more options to use in your build

[onyx sage]

no

the stat only affects repair from skills

[flint arch]

true patriot, more like trash patriot amirite

also why tf does true patriot increase your ammo capacity

[smoky latch]

Because the buffs are useless

[flint arch]

lol

[tall jackal]

Wouldn't say useless but they are pretty bad lol

[smoky latch]

I mean you need to fire a lot with it to apply all three debuffs, adding ammo capacity makes sense

[flint arch]

I threw my full red patriot build into the trash after using it for 10 seconds in the range

[ornate moss]

I’m absolutely shredding these clowns on challenging now

[smoky latch]

With True patriot?

[flint arch]

that's kinda because challenging isn't very challenging

a lot of builds work on solo heroic, and even the most horrifying foundry bulwark NBB build in existence can clear challenging missions

[smoky latch]

Or do you mean with your Striker's build?

[plain girder]

I use it mainly for xonflict with full regen and heals to stay up long and get rounds on players

[flint arch]

PVP balancing is a lot different than PVE

[lone violet]

Does true patriot even have a use?

[strong cave]

Besides being something you dust off once in a while, not really. To make the damage even viable you have to strip nearly all the blue cores off and run overdogs

The group who runs DPS will clear the room before you even get the flag colors on multiple enemies

[magic pilot]

Does the full flag explosion apply the debuffs to enemies it hits?

[fleet gulch]

Between Shroud, Mantis, and Nemesis, which marksman rifle tends to do the highest damage numbers, considering a full build?

[onyx sage]

nemesis

[rapid wave]

Not even close it's nemesis. Does 1.7 mil vs the others 900k

[shut kindle]

Shrous is likely higher dps due to not having to charge though

[subtle bluff]

Nemesis is the answer but it's rare to need and use it.

[subtle bluff]

Especially that we can't see the charge ui atm

[fleet gulch]

Is there ever a world where White Death pushes out more damage than Shroud or Mantis?

[onyx sage]

no, but there are worlds where you don't need that much damage

[open pulsar]

@solar sable

[onyx sage]

if white death can kill legendary elites, so can the other ones, but that also means you can just use white death because it has higher rpm

[subtle bluff]

It's good enough

[solar sable]

banger

[radiant dirge]

What other gear then china light and 2 piece grupo give explosive damage

[open pulsar]

Im tryna go for the overdogs rn, gonna replace the gloves and holster

[subtle bluff]

That's it.

It's all. In the Gearsheet if you want to look around.

[radiant dirge]

Alrighty

Kinda just saw this backpack and I thought I could possibly make something here

But o don’t think I can get the damage high enough

[solar sable]

wtf is that

[subtle bluff]

Source AMP is the other thing.

[radiant dirge]

Talent on the backpack causes damage from grenades to be thrown onto 2 other targets in 20m , looking to try it for PvP if I could get the damage to 1mil

ATM it 800k

[lone violet]

is iorn lung good with tipping scales?

iron*

[violet shadow]

May I get opinions?

On improvement?

Just cleared On heroic 7:29

[obsidian lava]

Wanted to get hold on Overdogs gloves for a while. Got the new exotic lmg and also BIGHORN!!

All these after completing tidal basin on legendary. Are these good stats?

[grizzled loom]

Overdogs drops with those stats, just optimize them

[solar sable]

ceska instead of grupo bag

[dense dock]

Okay, just came across this short and was so confused. I don’t speak Spanish so even worse lol. Dude was blowing up people for 100m damage with snipers? What even is this?

[solar sable]

trash

[last schooner]

is it more efficient to craft faction related mats for optimisation or just use my SHD points?

[solar sable]

he was doing so much HSD because of Reanimated event

[dense dock]

Ahhh, thank you!! Just was so confused seeing those numbers and enemies turning into mist haha

[solar sable]

when he was killing did the enemies heads pop with a red/green color?

[dense dock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/w1pHxBiH7P4?si=pIxce2QAjqEbuRt4

lots of red and electric explosions?

[solar sable]

yup, Reanimated GE

[dense dock]

I should’ve gone to the comments - people tearing this dude apart for lying hahaha

[solar sable]

it's part of what I sent previously

YTbers seek for attention and don't give the full details

Imagine if someone tried that "build" when there's no GE or Overdrive events going on

YTbers are part of why new players abandon Division

[dense roost]

We are level 100 chat only 900 more to go

[subtle bluff]

To note. Also I don't have quickstep

[dense roost]

Also striker build is really coming along

[summer totem]

Yeah, i got dmg out of cover is this good

[dense roost]

yes that's what you want

I've been rolling my Elmo a lot recently and the game really likes giving me swap speed :))))))))

[subtle bluff]

I mean HH is that strong this works but it could a lot more.

[summer totem]

Is the mask good

[dense roost]

Coyote Mask is very solid, there's better stuff out there (Overdogs) But it's what I have and I like it :3

[summer totem]

How does it work, deal more dps or sustainability?

[dense roost]

It's all damage, focused mainly on crit, if ur not using crits a lot it's not amazing but it doesn't exactly hurt you lol

[summer totem]

Im using memento or harrier since its all i have with equalizer and striker

[violet shadow]

I don't need any more crit chance... with Cyotoes that'll put me over

[dense roost]

Better in teams than in solo but still works solo

[summer totem]

Tho its so easy to die in solo

[dense roost]

Memento is very good, if you don't need/don't value the sriker backpack talent than it's a great pick but you are losing a noticable amount of damage by not running striker bag

[solar sable]

unless you're within the range of the CHC buff, you're not getting the free CHC.

[summer totem]

Been grinding

For overdogs but the game really loves to give me tbe fart gloves

[violet shadow]

I tried sheirff with on going directive and dear god

[summer totem]

7x its been giving me fart gloves 7 times in 50 runs

[violet shadow]

Normally I gotta 3 shot rouge agents up to 5 depending on if I hit my mark

[dense roost]

It's a good time to farm rn because Countdown currency is doubled so you can rack up a lot of exotic caches very fast, idk if Overdogs are in that lootpool or if they're only hyena retals tho

[solar sable]

what difficulty is that?

[violet shadow]

I am I'm in constant close quarters

[violet shadow]

Challenging I can run heroic but more comfortable with Challenging

[violet shadow]

Look at that one picture up top did heroic already today did a legendary mission as well I'm good for the day lol

[karmic seal]

Finally.... took like 20+ rolls 😭

all I needed was target out of cover damage

But now I gotta farm and grind True Sons for that upgrade thing.....

The last roll had crit chance on it and i did take a toll a bit on it.... should I have stayed with crit chance or is target out of cover for a DPS Striker build with ST Elmo's better?

[ashen wasp]

in the end is the same, a bit less a bit more, not enough to care

[solar sable]

All weapons need DTOC except LMGs, which need CHC

[onyx sage]

if you're in cqc you're within 15m, which makes you get 25% chd instead

[obsidian bronze]

Good info to keep in mind thanks

[onyx sage]

in the clip you're definitely within 15m and the icon reflects that

you're not getting any chc from the talent

[limpid pelican]

what are your guys' go to builds for the start of countdown hunters outside of hazpro foam

[karmic seal]

Right now this is the basic stuff I have for my main DPS build

[onyx sage]

that works fine, for secondary you can use a converted smg-9 with measured

[karmic seal]

I never really run SMG since most of my fights tend to be all over the place

[onyx sage]

then use elmo

[karmic seal]

I'm using bakers dozen for loger distance

[onyx sage]

if you do get close then the smg will give more damage

[karmic seal]

any specific SMG in mind?

[onyx sage]

"converted smg-9"

[limpid pelican]

backfire and facetank the bleed 😤 (and die randomly cause bad timing)

[karmic seal]

What about any other gear I should consider to improve damage?

[onyx sage]

you can drop the salvo and use overdogs

but that's about the furthest you can go without either changing the build or playstyle massively

[quick current]

yo can someone help me?

[karmic seal]

I'm not using salvo.

[burnt bone]

#lfg-pc

[karmic seal]

I do have the holster, but I have Perfect Obliterate

[onyx sage]

well salvo is preferred over just a random 2p UA

[junior lagoon]

Pulse is not a status effect right?

[onyx sage]

nope

[buoyant perch]

EMP and banshee pulse are

[burnt bone]

Truew…

[quick current]

thanks

[karmic seal]

I could just pair up both since I have perfect oblit and salvo. I just didn't bother with salvo since I don't really mind rate of fire as much

unless I was running a sheild DPS build then I could use it

[onyx sage]

the rof is stronger over some crit

[burnt bone]

Moar fire rate = moar dps :3

[quick current]

i am grinding to make this build, only need find a good piece for the leg to start griding for the bag and torso

[karmic seal]

I mean at this rate I could just also include Ninjabike and get the additional mag size

[onyx sage]

but it's not really that big, overdogs is a much bigger step up tho but requires some uptime

[burnt bone]

No

[onyx sage]

no don't use ninjabike pls, you lose out on backpack talent

[burnt bone]

Grind for bag? You should be able to get it in one countdown run (like 15 min)

But yeah ninjabike is no bueno

[quick current]

i am looking for the torso and bag for high alloy bonus

[burnt bone]

Ah

[quick current]

i was doing the summit to grind the pieces since i am playing alone

[burnt bone]

Btw you can matchmake for countdown

[quick current]

i mean i tryed but i didnt finded, am i am too weak for higher missions

[burnt bone]

You’ll only really find people in challenging

For countdown

[quick current]

thats the problem my max isnt even heroic xD

[burnt bone]

Challenging is below heroic (but tbf it’ll feel harder because 8 man scaling)

[limpid pelican]

i thought i'd test the waters and play w OCE/asia players, so i typed "inv incursion" into google translate english to chinese. first inv i got was a guy rage hacking 🤣

[burnt bone]

But really you just follow the group around and hide behind them until you’re strong/confident enough to lead the charge 💪

[jolly sapphire]

is my build worth legendary

[fossil crag]

i mean I use mine in some areas but never straigh through just casue My team and me be chilling then go hard then chill LOL

[slender fern]

What’s the best armour / damage build to go for

[runic terrace]

maybe heart breaker

[lone violet]

should i gamble 2174 of the countdown credits to see if i get the exoic i want?

[ashen wasp]

why not

[lone violet]

9 cases and no blue screen bruh

[smoky latch]

Many exotics in that pool, keep going

[full geyser]

is it better for an AR dps build to have "dmg to armor" or "dmg to target out of cover"?

[smoky latch]

I just resonded to this question in the other channel...

[dull fossil]

any darkzone/pvp AR/Lmg builds?

[serene coyote]

What do we think about this build for the big Alejandro….

4 piece tipping scales all with CHC/CHD to try get 60% CHC total and then Equalizer chest plate with CHC/CHD and sawyers kneepads all blue cores?

[solar sable]

why blue...?

why do you need all blue cores?

[serene coyote]

To maintain armour

[ashen wasp]

you can use it will work.. but why not overdog? will do more damage, no armor regen pretty useless

[serene coyote]

It’s supposed to keep me in the fight for those few seconds more

[ashen wasp]

will not change a lot, just having 700k default you barelly take 2 hit from anything so 170k is nothing

[solar sable]

you can trade those "few seconds or armor" for all red, kill before you get killed

[serene coyote]

So just pure damage?

[solar sable]

yes, it's far better

[ashen wasp]

yea

[next dawn]

Best defense is offensive

[serene coyote]

So should I swap the mask for coyotes and then replace the kneepads with the 4th tipping scales?

[solar sable]

do you have overdogs?

[runic terrace]

Anyone got any recommendations for a good gun for heartbreaker build that can use the lazer under barrel attachment? Using kingbreaker rn and it’s rpm’s are just so mid

[ashen wasp]

better yea, if you get overdog change glove then

[serene coyote]

Yes I have every single BP

[solar sable]

go overdogs and Equalizer

[solar sable]

Kingbreaker is bad, use whatever weapon with 790+ RPM

[serene coyote]

Okay so tipping scales kneepads, mask, backpack and holsters then equaliser chest and overdoes gloves

[runic terrace]

All the guns I have tried can’t use the lazer under barrel

[next dawn]

Hm

[runic terrace]

That’s what I run

[serene coyote]

Am I able to use my bluescreen with this?

[serene coyote]

Sorry I just saw the pics

[dull fossil]

Can anyone link a conflict/DZ build, AR/LMG? :)

[solar sable]

it's better to ask in #td2-pvp-discussions

[rich cargo]

What does more damage. 4 strikers equalizer and overdogs and then chamilion/saint elmo. OR the tiping scales 4 piece overdogs equalizer and the big alehandro?

[silent storm]

Need to add Big Al to all the TS builds as it is the best gun for it now

[rich cargo]

But does it outpreform strikers?

[smoky latch]

Big Al and TS will lead to you running out of ammo really quick

[flint arch]

im not sure if we should jump the gun to say big al is the best option for TS

[silent storm]

I actually haven't even tried Big Al with Striker's yet as TS is so good

[flint arch]

because it has a bunch of gameplay considerations and has a long ramp up time

[smoky latch]

Yup, several things to consider. A direct comparison is barely realistically possible

[flint arch]

4 strikers with equalizer and overdogs w/ st. elmos will be the easiest to use and the most consistent. chameleon is a bad AR, but an okay SMG

[smoky latch]

Shi indeed

[rich cargo]

I love my FI heal build on retaliation atm tho. Seems fun on heroic retals

[silent storm]

Fastest times on Legendary that I have had are all 3 TS Big Als and a Refactor

[flint arch]

did you factor any GEs or overdrives

[silent storm]

Everythng just melts

[silent storm]

I have done without GE and it's still the fastest, dropping Chungas before they can even fix their ammo links

[hazy steeple]

A full team working together has too many factors at play.

[serene coyote]

Guys what’s the most OP weapon?

[remote mural]

Is their anything hitting harder then perfect obliterate overdogs striker ?

[silent storm]

A 217.6k DMG weapon with 1155 RPM at 60% CHC and 443 CHD is massive on it's own. Add in Chest and OvD DMG talents and nothing lives very long

[silent storm]

PGC

[remote mural]

Elaborate plz I got no clue wat that is twin

[silent storm]

The Sacrifice

[remote mural]

Wtf are u speaking in tongue

[solar sable]

there's no best, it's subjective, this means it changes for each build

[silent storm]

THe Sacrifice : Perfect Glass Cannon

[smoky latch]

The Sacrifice is a chest piece with the talent "Perfect Glass Cannon"

[remote mural]

man something hits harder and I need to know what I didn’t ask for the best and it’s not subjective builds are objectively better then others

[solar sable]

I replied to someone else...

[remote mural]

Pgc* stronger then perfect obliterate overdogs?

[silent storm]

6% more

[remote mural]

well just equalizer minus overdogs

[solar sable]

Sacrifice replaces Obliterate in this case.

[remote mural]

dps you basically die instantly anyways why aren’t more people running pgc?

[smoky latch]

Cuz you die even faster if you get hit badly

[remote mural]

Fair enough

[flint arch]

only at the highest difficulties does it kinda stop mattering, but at heroic you will still notice you can take more punishment when using equalizer

[solar sable]

Because they fear getting one shot, and that doesn't exist as Health Gate is a thing and won't let you insta die unless a Status Effect is involved.

[smoky latch]

(P)GC is more versatile tho. It amplifies ALL damage by 30% and Equalizer increases total weapon damage only

[remote mural]

Health gate meaning it scales damage to ur max health so they can’t one shot I’m guessing

[remote mural]

And u have to stack it so it makes sense ur always getting a 30% buff

[solar sable]

health gate basically leaves you at 1HP & invulnerable for a second

[smoky latch]

(P)GC has a flat-out damage increase, Obliterate needs to be stacked, yes

[silent storm]

And the second nade is always 1.1 seconds later lol

[solar sable]

FIRE!

[remote mural]

This

even with uptime and downtime is overdogs kinda best for dps rn ?

[silent storm]

yes

[remote mural]

k

got a god roll equalizer just too put it away for sacrifice 🥲

[tall jackal]

Equalizer is fine

[lone violet]

About time @smoky latch

[smoky latch]

Cheers

[lone violet]

Do people run striker or tipping or OD with blue screen?

[smoky latch]

TS works, OD works, ND works

[silent storm]

Negotiators Dilemma

[lone violet]

I’m so used to OD or tipping

[silent storm]

everyone love OD but I find the kit a little weak

[smoky latch]

ND is great for legendary, on heroic everything does so quick you don't really need it

[lone violet]

What if I’m doing retal dos ND still work?

[smoky latch]

It works everywhere, your choice

[silent storm]

excellently

For Retal though I prefer Lengmo Pestilence

[vapid onyx]

Any recommendations of secondary weapon for typical 4Striker, coyote, Ceska (oblit), Elmo all red build?

[silent storm]

Or Big Al TS

[flint arch]

SMG-9 with unwavering

[lone violet]

Lengo?

[vapid onyx]

Better than a long range weapon?

[flint arch]

if you mean something like a rifle or MMR, yes

[lone violet]

Ok so if I want to do ND blue screen what parts would I need and is it ok to run overdid with said set up?

[flint arch]

smg-9 is for when you get close or if there's a black tusk helicopter

[smoky latch]

You can either use an ACS-12 shotgun type to build your stacks quickly or use an SMG for that purpose. If you don't care about slow stack-building you can use an LMG pretty comfortably

[flint arch]

something like this, replace sacrifice chest with equalizer

[lone violet]

That’s funny cause uh I got the equal chest I just need to replace weapon Handel to CHD

Emp and decoy?

[silent storm]

Missing is Overdogs, on another character

[flint arch]

doesn't have to be those two, but you can use a sticky bomb and hive to trigger bluescreen talent

you can shoot the sticky bomb in the sky for a 4 second cooldown, or place your hive and pick it up

[silent storm]

Or just allow kills to proc it

[smoky latch]

Takes too long sometimes

[silent storm]

Shoot the less tanky stuff first

[smoky latch]

If you're pinned and can't build any further stacks, trigger the talent rq with a skill and mow them down (given they're marked and stacks were already partially built up). Situational but happens

[hexed steppe]

full stack kill procs affect surrounding npcs that arent marked as well. its beneficial to use both methods to proc bluescreen to get the most out of it

[hexed steppe]

sounds like a few more retaliation runs are in your future

[silent storm]

I have the mats to craft them I just haven't yet because my invo it too full as is for more of the same

[hexed steppe]

v,v,v,v,v,v,v,v,v,..... hold TAB... repeat as needed... problem solved

also, lame excuse to not craft one of the best items in the game. do better

[silent storm]

But my stuff disappears then and what if I think of a use for it 2 years from now

What is up with this SG? Why does it only have 2 attributes and they are yellow?

[smoky latch]

Pre-order bonus for WoNY

[spark mortar]

what mods should i use on gear shift? running a striker build

[hexed steppe]

crit chance

+50 mag

[spark mortar]

where do i unlock the increased mag size one 🥺

[hexed steppe]

gunner spec

[spark mortar]

ah, working on that one still

[hexed steppe]

you can unlock +35 from control points (challenging/heroic)

they are random blueprints so takes a bit

[grizzled loom]

Best gun for heartbreaker? Not really liking the kingbreaker

[hexed steppe]

yeah that thing is a real fart-cannon

oh dangit , edit ftw

[grizzled loom]

Isn’t that the belt fed gunner skill?

[hexed steppe]

too quick for gramps

[flint arch]

high rpm AR with long rail attachment and flatline

[spark mortar]

im just using demo till i unlock gunner

[grizzled loom]

I mean I was thinking an AR, LMG, or smg with a high fire rate

[flint arch]

honestly any of those will work, but you have to make sure they support long rail attachments

else they can't use linked laser pointer

[onyx sage]

it's just a quirk of that specific gun

[flint arch]

unless you're really confident in your ability to hit headshots all the time (in which case please use a sniper/rifle/pistol headhunter build instead), LLP will be your only consistent way of maintaining HB stacks

[grizzled loom]

What’s LLP

Oh wait linked laser pointer. I thought you meant a gun

[flint arch]

@onyx sage i started using GR9 w/ frenzy because of you

anyway i find it funny that any skins you apply will also completely cover the scope

[onyx sage]

long long play

you know when you want to release something longer than a LP... wait that's an album nvm

[silent storm]

Can you delete specialist handguns and get a new one?

[flint arch]

you can delete them and they will come back if you fumble with the pistol part of the specialization tree

[silent storm]

will they be rolled differently?

[flint arch]

no

their stats are completely fixed

[onyx sage]

they're always rolled the exact same way

[limpid pelican]

saw someone asking to drop bitterswee if found as they were using it for a healer, is it viable/worth using or trolling in comparison to scorpio/lefty

[onyx sage]

no tbh

[flint arch]

less utility compared to being able to also debuff your enemies

[onyx sage]

you can mess around with it tho, the bonus armor it gives looks funny

[flint arch]

you already heal a massive amount of armor if you're using FI honestly

[silent storm]

I like my Aces and 8s Bittersweet build

[flint arch]

i too like doing nothing and dying instantly

[limpid pelican]

lol yeah when he asked i was like wat just scorpio/lefty it out. was curious since i missed its release

[flint arch]

i love my free exo components

[silent storm]

It's works pretty decently once you get it rolling as all shots for 8s after a heal count as HS

[flint arch]

determined with extra steps

[hexed steppe]

if most people swap to mortar, we can destroy determined as an effective talent. 🤔

[flint arch]

you will never convert me

[silent storm]

Combuster build

[hexed steppe]

combuster mortar. i like it

[silent storm]

Just screen shaking all the time

[smoky latch]

Best troll build

Or, Exuro with Combustor

And the Halloween bat drone on top

[silent storm]

Oh they have the Rogue Drone now

[hexed steppe]

make sure its a fixer if you do that so you can attach it to teamates

[silent storm]

I think I am obligated to buy the Rogue Skill pack

[last schooner]

just finished lego roosevelt and had a guy in blue striker/memento/sherrif run off killing everything, wtf is that build a meta buiid?

[flint arch]

no, but it performs better now thanks to the current global event which triples your damage when you're within 15 meters of the enemy

it will absolutely not work well outside of the event

[smoky latch]

Yeah GE time is goofy build time

Can be pretty fun

[lone violet]

Never seen sacrum imperium before

[onyx sage]

for good reason

[smoky latch]

It looks good but it's just useless

[flint arch]

sacrum impedance

[onyx sage]

now shhhhhhhhhh and forget about it

it never existed...

[lone violet]

Gimmick gun?

[flint arch]

ninjabike jumpscare

[onyx sage]

mostly

[lone violet]

I’m seeing so many people running the 1886

Interesting

[smoky latch]

@full geyser What kinda build/s are you exactly looking for?

[lone violet]

Now I kinda wanna run the 1886

[full geyser]

so im looking to get a DPS/healing build for myself. currently running striker, with overdogs but i feel it could be better

[solar sable]

Bighorn...

[full geyser]

i got sick of using elmo

[solar sable]

use Iron Lung or a HE AR

[lone violet]

I’m going to make a red dead set up

[smoky latch]

Is a very solid build tho

Minus the Bighorn but IG you can make it work anyway

[lone violet]

Is there a gear set I need to run with the 1886 I seen people use the one brand where the mountain is the logo and another one I forgot the name of

[smoky latch]

There are plenty DPS builds. Tipping Scales, Negotiator's Dilemma, regular high-end DPS for instance

Would need more info from what what playstyles or weapon you prefer

[last schooner]

is Iron Lung really that good? I like Big Al and Bluescreen

[lone violet]

Me?

[smoky latch]

No

[solar sable]

yes

[lone violet]

Oh mb

[full geyser]

im mostly an AR user and my playstyle revolves around using the shield to run and gun

[solar sable]

this or Chainkiller and Gift

[lone violet]

I need a opinion tho on what gear set is good for running 1886 cause I plan to run tinker mask

[full geyser]

i wanna run heroic AT LEAST and not have to worry about healing my armor every second

[smoky latch]

Use more cover, move a lot, position yourself well. Then you don't need to heal yourself

Sounds silly but it's just practice

I mean you could run Striker's with Memento as alternative

It has decent DPS and Memento also givers up to 3% armor regen, plus the bonus armor (how much depends on the amount of armor cores on your build)

[lone violet]

Also blue screen and ND so pretty

[full geyser]

would i be screwing myself over if i took my current build from above and removed my 4 piece stryker for another random piece?

i wanna forsure keep my overdogs and my perfect obliterate chest piece

[cloud sorrel]

Go for heartbreaker but you have to use HB chest can’t keep the equalizer

[full geyser]

would it be a drastic change in DPS?

[cloud sorrel]

With ceska backpack with vigilence and technician class so you have the laser mod

If you’re using an acs-12 to stack heartbreaker you should be more than fine

Go for 2 blue cores maximum tho

Either that or all red

[full geyser]

what're the best pieces to have blue core? would i be fine keeping them on my mask and holster?

[cloud sorrel]

It doesn’t change anything

So yes

[smoky latch]

HB sucks pretty much, use Striker's with Memento and roll 1-2 cores to armor. Decent damage and survivability

[full geyser]

is memento mostly gonna be for solo content due to the trophies?

[cloud sorrel]

If you don’t want to play striker or memento, HB is fine …

[smoky latch]

Yeah but works also in group play

[lament reef]

the base gun, the mg5, is good and the burn is convenient cc

nothing like bluescreen of course but this is free and automatic

[grand girder]

also big numbas

[cloud sorrel]

And striker without the backpack is shit anyway, I really don’t like using a memento with striker imo

[full geyser]

i appreciate all the help guys

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung

[subtle bluff]

Not depends on the rest of the build.

[junior lagoon]

tidal basin legendary final scene. what is the strategy? i could not keep my head up. close combat, enemie everywhere. get in pfe?

[subtle bluff]

There's a few ways to do it.

[grand girder]

facing the right door next to the computer I roll down to the right, through the container and upto the turrets weakpoint thingy, then just use that cover while clearing the enemys

I've found it to be quite useful in full red but if you make a mistake its pretty much gg

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the to me mostly fighting from the right is normally the go to. DPS is very important here getting the dogs down quick and have some support that can mange a few things.

[junior lagoon]

drone spam was a big problem for me

[subtle bluff]

Have to DPS stuff you can't let them setup.

[junior lagoon]

i went from the left and got in to the container but mostly did not know what i was doing

[grand girder]

also if you aren't aware cover to cover is the best method for moving

[subtle bluff]

someone running hotdogs isn't bad either there plenty of way to run it.

[flint arch]

I don't like Iron Lung

jk please don't murder me mr chow sir

[subtle bluff]

I don't think I can be friends with you anymore.

[flint arch]

noooooooooo

[hazy steeple]

I'm not a big fan of polio either, tbh.

[subtle bluff]

[hazy steeple]

Oh sorry the other one.

Chow's just a really big fan of that marikiplier movie.

[subtle bluff]

Don't watch as many movies as I use to. Anyhoooo

[lone glacier]

I really wanna build a LMG build just to spray n pray, but at the same time I could just run Striker LMG too..

[hazy steeple]

I've heard it's good, but I see enough horror in the server already.

[onyx sage]

the way i do it is like Cyrlo mentioned, kill the right turret first then use the yellow tarp cover as the holdout spot, it's the safer strat compared to how someone like toastey uses to speedrun

the left container is what he used, i find it a lot riskier because you can get caught off guard by the rushers' shock nades

i would use that spot in a duo but not solo

[junior lagoon]

they spam drones to flush me out

[onyx sage]

yeah they get me too, you have to run and dodge their explosions. you'll have to watch minimap to expect when they get close but that can get heated at times. practice a few times and you'll be more aware and dodge them

[cinder wedge]

how hard is scorpio to get?

not doing countdown

[main parcel]

Anyone got a build for Harrier Pride?

[solar sable]

not too hard

[solar sable]

it's really not that great

[flint arch]

you know on an unrelated note every time i see someone or when i reply to someone with a message similar to this i always wonder if the person is going to hit back "i said give me a [insert garbage item here] build here, i don't care if you think it sucks, i think it's fun"

[main parcel]

Yeah, I've been trying to find a build for it cause I haven't used it, but no luck.

[solar sable]

I always expect that as an answer every since I learned that

[flint arch]

it's unwieldy to use, but that would be forgivable
unfortunately, the biggest problem that kills its viability almost completely is the fact that all stacks are lost when exiting combat

it would only "shine" if each combat arena apparently takes 15 minutes to clear

memento came before, boosts skills alongside everything else, and is infinitely better than it just by virtue of its stacks lasting for 5 minutes, harrier pride just copied its homework and copied it poorly

[cinder wedge]

anywhere decent to grind it aside from countdown?

[solar sable]

Retaliations

[hazy steeple]

@cinder wedge Anywhere that you can set the TL (targeted loot) to Shotguns is good.
Countdown is just recommended due to the sheer amount of loot you get overall, and you can buy an Exotic Cache every 2-3 runs.
Especially right now, since there's a "Countdown Surge" Event active. Where you get bonus stuff from it.

[cinder wedge]

oki bet thanks riven <3

peak pfp as well

[hazy steeple]

Thanks! Was made for me by a very lovely server member.

[fleet gulch]

Generally speaking, do skill DPS builds go 6 yellow core or 5 yellow core + Technician?

[hazy steeple]

Mostly the Technician route, then you can throw a red core for your gun to be marginally less bad.

Or even go for Capacitor, and doube-up.

[cinder wedge]

its great honestly wish i could be more feminine irl and just learn to be more feminine online as well if that makes sense anyways back to card suit farming

[hazy steeple]

Gotta be true to yourself for sure.

[fleet gulch]

For Refactor, does it make sense to go a blue core instead?

[solar sable]

no, one blue does nothing helpful

[willow sigil]

alraldi backpack has like 3 different names, does it matter which one i get?

[solar sable]

nah, as long as it's not a golden name

[hazy steeple]

The 4th name is spelling it right, but basically no one does lol.

Airaldi.

[solar sable]

airialdi

[hazy steeple]

Just think of it like Air Jordans, but for MMR's.

I admit, took me 4 years to notice.

[fleet gulch]

So then even one red core > one blue core in that context?

[solar sable]

yes

[fleet gulch]

@smoky latch @flint arch @atomic turtle Is this an improvement? I don't have a copy of every named item in the game yet, so trying to make do with what I do have.

[smoky latch]

Damn it is. But beware and use cover a lot

"big balls" build haha

[solar sable]

XDDD

[latent marlin]

Whats the best approach to apply "confuse" to enemies nearby?

[proper ridge]

Use strikers vest and switch bag with pride bag

[fleet gulch]

I do have the Overdogs gloves in that Google Docs guide, but honestly I can't see the value of it, since you have to kill all the weak enemies before the big enemies get affected.

[proper ridge]

Hologram

[grand girder]

are you trying to get a commendation or somethat that requires the confuse debuff?

cause there is a gun that applys it on headshots but it's loot goblin drop i believe

[fleet gulch]

I've just heard 3 people tell me the Strikers chest isn't very useful, why are you recommending to the contrary?

[latent marlin]

Im trying to get the achievement of that current event

[proper ridge]

Strikers vest helps keep the stacks, i can show you my build

Although my build is more for PVE, does work in groups but then again strikers is a crit damage build

[grand girder]

this might work if you can get one

[subtle bluff]

Striker chest vs obli isn't worth

[proper ridge]

You’re obviously not running it correctly.

I can run heroic solo with all directives with no issue

[subtle bluff]

oH I run a lot where it's good

[grand girder]

I don't mean to be that guy but this statement is wrong, all it does is increase from 100-200 and those gaps lose at 3 stacks per second

[latent marlin]

thank you Sir

[proper ridge]

I still keep my stacks.

[subtle bluff]

Not a big thing..

[grand girder]

yeah but the statement is wrong and misleading to those who don't know better "helps keep stacks" is wrong

[flint arch]

You have some balls. But dew it

[proper ridge]

Bro what 🤣

[subtle bluff]

Not the striker but the same idea with TS Chest and Striekr Chest

[hazy steeple]

div2 is complicated, it's best to get the info right because a lot of newer players read these channels.

[proper ridge]

Ima keep my chest piece. It works for me.

[grand girder]

please show me where it "helps keep stacks"

[subtle bluff]

Give a clip of your run you holding all +150 stack

[flint arch]

just because it works for you doesn't mean it's good

[proper ridge]

Called shoot the enemy’s unless you clearly don’t know how to do that

[subtle bluff]

Gonna go teach other how to use chest in the correct place

[proper ridge]

Never said it was good. It works for me. Dude asked for advice and i gave it. I know now to never say anything in this chat

[flint arch]

if it isn't good then you're giving bad advice lmao

[grand girder]

lmao

just factually wrong mate, but yeah I don't know how it works right?

[proper ridge]

So funny

[hazy steeple]

Okay everyone take a step back for a sec.

[proper ridge]

Clearly not, i can tell i triggered you so respectfully im leaving this

[flint arch]

poor ragebaiter

[proper ridge]

Imagine thinking im rage baiting

[onyx sage]

work on your solo legs for your achievement sir

[flint arch]

but sir im an amputee, i have no legs sir
(this is a joke)

[grand girder]

brother, please for the sake of not embarrassing yourself further read you're statement and then the talent description, all I said is the statement is wrong and in a build advice channel it isn't good to give out false info

[willow sigil]

if im not going determined, is long stick any good?

[grand girder]

instead of immediately thinking I don't know how the gear set works (I literally use it often)

[onyx sage]

yes, it works, white death is also good

[flint arch]

i love the mantis mmr

[willow sigil]

is one just objectively better than the other?

im not trying to keep a bunch of crap

[onyx sage]

not really, i would say ekim isn't that used, rather the non-named model 700

if you have to toss away the ekim to make space I would do that

[willow sigil]

is there ever a world where i will need 2p airaldi? or is just the backpack all i need

[hazy steeple]

I would honestly suggest using this as a time to go through your stash, because if you are maxed out, you are 100% keeping junk.

[onyx sage]

you can keep it, it's not a bad piece, but of the chest and backpack i would say the backpack is a lot more used because chainkiller is there for the chest

if you have to toss the airaldi chest, i would

[willow sigil]

im not maxed, im only 70 in my stash, but im not going to keep things ill never use

[onyx sage]

or airaldi in any slot besides the backpack

[flint arch]

i wonder if 5% more weapon damage is more useful than 13% headshot damage when considering headhunter

[onyx sage]

my advice is always go for weapon damage because hsd is a surplus on mmr builds

[flint arch]

noted

[onyx sage]

even more relevant when you have to crack chunga helmets because they don't take hsd

[flint arch]

for some reason i misplaced my airaldi backpack with vigilance so i'm making do with an IA backpack

[grand girder]

lemme guess, didnt favorite it?

[flint arch]

actually not misplaced, i put it on my 3rd character but im too lazy to put it back in the stash

so far i haven't actually accidentally decon anything that i wanted to keep

[grizzled loom]

Best build for tinkerer?

[solar sable]

OD

[flint arch]

100 dollar bills

[peak meadow]

It's all so tiresome. Run that Ravenous on six skill tier.

[flint arch]

i hate the ravenous for what it represents

[grizzled loom]

With what guns

[willow sigil]

is hard, this the best ive gotten, cant find anymore, and i dont have the resources to max this out

[onyx sage]

brother not the place

[grand girder]

tbf IA isn't too far off so I'm not surprised you cba switching it

[peak meadow]

I'll meme it up in the usual place then

[willow sigil]

all you guys have so much money

[solar sable]

Replace Vigilance with Wicked*

[onyx sage]

if you need credits do more bounties, they drop a lot

[grand girder]

I saw that

[flint arch]

that was the wrong place to put it

[willow sigil]

theres no overlap with credits, so if im farming credits im not farming anything else

[flint arch]

though it wasn't incorrect actually (at least i think)

[onyx sage]

well you have to put aside time for that of course

[hazy steeple]

Credits are pretty much awarded for anything you do, there is infinite overlap with credits.

[onyx sage]

alternatively you farm levels and redeem credits

[hazy steeple]

You can't avoid getting rich, honestly.

[grand girder]

we need the irl patch

[onyx sage]

but like we all passively get credits doing literally anything else so it stops becoming a problem eventually

[willow sigil]

im def not doing it right then

[flint arch]

i am a permanent millionaire nowadays

[grand girder]

takes 29 scavenging points to get 1mil btw

[onyx sage]

if you're spending credits on anything other than recalibration, you're spending it somewhere you don't need to

[hazy steeple]

You're a newer player, or at least new to this endgame.
Once you stop needing to spend them, you'll get flooded with all the cash you can't use for anything else.

[flint arch]

don't worry, i was poor basically all the time before shd 1k, but after that you'll be drowning in so much money that you can't really spend it

[willow sigil]

im crafting all these mods that i prob dont need

[onyx sage]

the weapon mods?

[willow sigil]

but i keep unlocking from cps and retals

[peak meadow]

I'm sitting on 4.3M without actively seeking methods of getting it

[onyx sage]

that's a necessary expense, it's not wasted

[willow sigil]

my elmos uses 0 mods

[flint arch]

exotics can't have their mods changed

[onyx sage]

you'll need mods on high end weapons and you will use them so again it's not wasted to craft mods for them

[grand girder]

better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it

[onyx sage]

they do cost quite a bit, but farm bounties when you aren't farming something else, best use of your time for credits

[flint arch]

remember div 1 attachments that were individual items that also took up space in your inventory? god that was terrible

[willow sigil]

for some reason, i dont have many t3 bounties, theyre all t1 mostly.

[flint arch]

the +100% mag capacity for basically any gun was cool though

[onyx sage]

public executions drop bounties, which themselves are also good source for xp

[flint arch]

if you play on normal all of your bounties will be normal

[onyx sage]

i've been farming public executions and control points for xp so much back in the day, the bounties just overflow

[flint arch]

play on heroic and all of your bounties will be heroic

[willow sigil]

oh is that how it works, even though they show t1?

[onyx sage]

yes

[flint arch]

oh wait i forgot to mention it's only for newly acquired bounties

[willow sigil]

i see

[onyx sage]

oh wait yeah it only affects new bounties dropped

[flint arch]

if you got a bounty on normal difficulty and then switched to heroic, the bounty will stay on normal difficulty

[onyx sage]

you might as well clean up the normal ones

[willow sigil]

i didnt even know you could get bounties, ive just been doing whatever pops up on the bounties tab whenever i do do them

[onyx sage]

yeah you can farm public executions to get them

[still yew]

Such a shame

[flint arch]

@subtle bluff why is bloody knuckles recommended for incursion?

[subtle bluff]

because you choose when to proc it

[grand girder]

free amp damage on wright iirc

[subtle bluff]

on bosses

[grand girder]

oh yeah and lovebirds mb, meant just they get equipped on wright

[onyx sage]

how do i melee the drones in tanker?

[flint arch]

i see

[buoyant perch]

TWD, not amp

[mental zealot]

If I'm going for a skill medic/support build, what stuff would I be looking for?

[grand girder]

cheers, havent run incursion in ages so haven't used em in a while

[molten lodge]

what are the best talents for tinkerer

[grand girder]

depends on the weapon type

[hazy steeple]

It varies on your build.

[subtle bluff]

SIR...

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11__a0xEKRKX22zNtLFwQM6P44oIq_h6g07a47Fd0X2M/edit?usp=sharing

[mental zealot]

Appreciate it

[hazy steeple]

long stick, but not Ekims.

[subtle bluff]

Snowballs didn't workkk....

[hazy steeple]

Chow I keep telling you, yellow snow whilst isn't technically a war crime, is at least a war caution.

[grand girder]

is this of any use?

[flint arch]

lmao what is that

[grand girder]

hell if i know xD

[flint arch]

If only it wasn't named and had Creeping Death

I feel like the problem is that it has Wicked, which is basically incompatible

[grand girder]

its kinda like a poor mans vigi

[flint arch]

hmm

both wicked and vigilance affects TWD additively, one by 18% and the other by 25%

yeah i can see

[grand girder]

yeah like if you run foam or something its a bit worse but doesn't disappear when you get hit

[flint arch]

wdym you don't like to be massively punished for getting your arm grazed by a bullet

also only now did I notice Wicked gives you the TWD increase on applying a status effect, for some reason I thought the TWD increase only applied to enemies that are inflicted with a status effect

[warm lagoon]

When using the Refractor set with turret and drone. If using the Mechanical Animal, do your skills over charge while they are out? Or do you have to overcharge and then send out the drones?

[subtle bluff]

It's not worth vs capa skill dmg stacks

[bright raptor]

also consider that at 6 skill tier it's going to be very hard to get a gun kill to trigger Future Perfection overcharge

[warm lagoon]

Okie dokie

[thick meteor]

Fellas, is my gear good? I know I need to work on CHD, but im nearing my chd goal in the watch. Any advice I'd to get to make this better? The one blue in my equalizer is the only thing I can see bad about it (will change it to chd later)

[gentle lichen]

it's good enough just make sure the chc on big al is above 50% and on this build the one blue core isn't doing much in the build besides making you a tad bit less squishy

[flint arch]

Get rid of that blue core on your mask, it will do nothing but hurt your damage especially if you're not using a shield

[thick meteor]

Interesting, but I have been able to get out of bad situations due to that core sometimes

[flint arch]

One blue core won't do much if you're not running a shield though

dammit did I just repeat myself

Either way, you should at least work towards playing well enough to not need any blue cores

[gentle lichen]

run a couple missions with and without and compare how much it's really giving you in terms of survivability

[thick meteor]

Alright, I got it.

-# i spent everything maxing out that red core 😭

[flint arch]

bruh

[strong cave]

A blue won't hurt depending on if you're noticing it's saving your life more often than not. I personally run 1 blue and just threw expertise on my gear up to 12 (uses no components and the resources to get 6 pieces that far is cheap for me)

Can play full red with Glass + Vigi just fine. I just like that slight protection I get having the little extra armor

[gentle lichen]

technically you can put 2 blue cores in place of expertise but it's hardly a beginner friendly thing
it also kinda builds bad habits

[strong cave]

Yeah the last thing I'd recommend any newbie do is push ahead with a shield and stand in the way. It's better they stay back and just shoot stuff that enters their sight. People would be surprised what not pushing does for a group

I used to be ultra weird and run unbreakable on an all red striker build. Until exodus came out

[proper wave]

exodus is super comfy but the smoke is annoying

[strong cave]

Yeah I found that to be the case when huddled together in groups. I've went back to my beloved nimble holster

[serene coyote]

DIVISION COMMUNITY I NEED A GOOD AR BUILD FOR MY ELMO OR EB SOMETHING THAT DOES INSANE DAMAGE AND HAS AROUND 1M armour

[strong cave]

Actually funny enough I can recommend just that

[strong cave]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/QJ9sSd1k

Simply taking a striker build with 2 blues is still viable for solo/group play. This will even clear Legendary if played correctly. Building up weapon expertise only makes this build hit harder as you're increasing damage lost from the blue cores you took (~30% Weapon Damage)

[gentle lichen]

@hexed steppe how short is your mortar and stinger cooldowns with skill haste on all pieces? i have status effects rolled on my build and mortar is around 11 seconds and stinger is a charge every second

[strong cave]

I have another build that has the same armor and damage but it's not an AR build. Works best for LMGs

[gentle lichen]

wondering if putting skill haste is gonna make that much of a difference

[strong cave]

It's about the same. I have all perfect pieces. You will notice it's slightly faster

Plus the haste definitely helps hive efficiency with BTSU I think, the charge refresh I mean

[gentle lichen]

im using mine a bit differently too with strategic alignment over combined arms for a lazy experience
tech support might do more probably

[strong cave]

Dien actually gave me a formula for calculating skill haste/skill cooldowns

[strong cave]

I chose the new Wyvern piece over perfect glass. Hits borderline the same and I have 60% of my armor lol

[gentle lichen]

100% uptime tho?

im planning on throwing my stinger everytime i get the chance and destroying it

[strong cave]

Nearly. I personally overclock at the start of an encounter so when my turret it up, hive is already refreshed and gaining stacks. Toss that bad boy out, damage. If I need immediate damage yeah I'll go spend a few hours crafting Sacrifice

I had no difficulty managing the stacks. The shooting your gun part is what is throwing me off with the build. I'm taking the Hana u bag and obviously capacitor

Playing refactor has helped me with the shooting part tho

[gentle lichen]

im using that talent that makes you deal more skill damage on a single headshot for like 20 seconds lol

[strong cave]

Oh dear god you're using spiked 😭😭

[gentle lichen]

i cba shooting and aiming mortar

[hexed steppe]

thats comparable to what i have. im maybe 9-10 sec

[strong cave]

I've noticed if you double click the mortar button on a spawn, it locks the turret to that spot. Just click mortar and keep hive placed at flanks

[hexed steppe]

1 sec stinger

[strong cave]

I'm around the 8s mark so the haste barely makes a difference

[gentle lichen]

holy diminishing returns jack

[hexed steppe]

btsu or no

[gentle lichen]

yea im using with btsu as well

[strong cave]

BTSU is included. Haven't tried with anything else

My guess is the haste and the talent of BTSU go hand in hand

[gentle lichen]

omg i forgot to expertise mortar and hive to 30

[hexed steppe]

probably worth rolling some crit then if its low return

[strong cave]

Like the more haste you have, the hive efficiency recharge will boost that

[strong cave]

Genuinely might just do that tbh. Or hazpro

I might just ditch the haste mods and take 3 13% pfe

[gentle lichen]

i got a funny idea does perpetuation work on each enemy affected by mortar bleed or just one

[strong cave]

It increases status effects as a whole so all enemies. I used to use it on a pvp foam build that was 6 skill tiers, max hazpro, 1.5m armor and unbreakable

People didn't like it 😂

[gentle lichen]

i can only imagine the mortar economy if sledgehammer was able to procc'd from it

[strong cave]

Now you got me wanting to take lefty on my mortar build. My only gripe is no survivalist nade

EMP/Flash/Survivalist nade are the best for sledge procs... Demo don't got those

[hexed steppe]

well it affects that mortar shot and the status it cauuses. i doubt itll increase bleed that already exists

this is also how perpetuation works in fire builds, only affecting the actual fire applied by a skill, not fire that exists *already

[strong cave]

Basically any new status you apply will be boosted (longer), pretty sure anyways

[gentle lichen]

actually a good utility piece is a future perfect secondary to proc overcharge while btsu is down

[hexed steppe]

only status applied by a skill thats used and eats that perpetuation proc. something like eclipse fire spreading on death will eat the proc but not be affected. the bleed isnt worth speccing into on mortar

[paper dagger]

What is a good scorpio build? 😄

[lament reef]

could use it with hunter’s fury

[next dawn]

Eclipse is also an option

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much just a support weapon.

It's base WD got nerfed into the ground.

[paper dagger]

Ye i want a support build for countdown/Incursion since 90% there just running striker elmo or alejandro ^^

[mint axle]

What kind of support build? there are builds that gives damage to others, armor to others, and healing to others.

[fossil crag]

Well after they chopped its well. Neutered the scorp there’s no point in building around it
But it’s just a great gun to have in your back pocket for any build

Some one said EP. It’s great for EP. some will argue cap gun better though. I argue if you need a cap gun to make your fire stronger then you built it wrong.
I use it on my fire build to stop chungas in the tracks cause sometimes it’s hard to get fire wall sawed off shots landed to burn them.

[willow tartan]

Guys I deleted my tempest by accident like a fool, anyway to get it back (i originally got from master manhunt but not sure if I can get again) ?

[next dawn]

It's in the general loot pool once you obtain it once

Set your targeted loot to pistol

[hexed steppe]

Cc eclipse (foam support)

[hexed steppe]

Cap is a pretty huge gain for fire. Like adding 250k on top of your burn.. Definitely not bis on fire🤦‍♂️

[summer totem]

Coyote mask with 4 pc striker build and equalizer good? For AR and lmg build?

[next dawn]

Gold standard

[fossil crag]

this is 10000% true. but By the time my cap gun would hit my hands to shoot and boost the fire everything is dead.. so Again if you need the cap gun to boost your fire its prob not built right and with out 2 tapping a dog or chunga with the firewall sawed off no amout of cap gunning is gonna burn that dog or chunga. thats just facts
Now if we could have 2 exotic gun Im take the cappy and scorp but since we cant.... you gotta pick witch one is gonna be better for the thing you are doing, if you know you gonna see a chunga prob best to put scorp on if yo know no dog/chunga cap gun get slapped on.

Like im not arguing the fact that on paper the cap gun is better but im taking a scorp over cap gun when I know Im all yellow and facing a chunga hahah

[summer totem]

Sorry, what

[hazy steeple]

It's now more like gold minus, Overdogs has overtaken it in a big way.

Coyotes is still good, but it's not the premium+ anymore.

[next dawn]

It's the the standard for striker

[next dawn]

Well ye

[summer totem]

Speaking of overdgos

Can i get it from Exotic cache?

[next dawn]

Yes iirc should be in the general loot pool

[summer totem]

Cuz im about to kms, probably did 25 runs already since the other day

Even had kids pilot my pc, and somehow not a single overdogs gloves, they keep giving me exodus like it means crap

One of them's god roll max stats but the passive is buns

[worn imp]

This website says intimidate is an amp, and not just an additive increase to weapon damage. Is this the case?

its probably outdated for all i know

[mint axle]

I'm pretty sure the game is also written amplifies despite being addictive.

[hexed steppe]

You dont start cap cold every shot. Once stacked its easy to maintain.
You wont need it on challenging tho which is where it sounds like youre using it

[fossil crag]

Who uses fire on heroic in 2026 ..? LOL that build got nurfed a bit ago yes..?

[hexed steppe]

I mean, when you can produce 1mil+ burn tick, still seems viable to me. I use it quite a bit

It was scorpio that got nerfed btw, not eclipse.

I just like to see big number ig

[fossil crag]

👍

[fossil crag]

iirc status it self got a nerf also

[fossil crag]

Overcats over vile is just wild to me

[full geyser]

whata the best talent for using on my police M4 stryker DPS build? Killer?

[junior lagoon]

Never saw anyone got it from those caches, it is a myth. Rng must be very very low. Anniversary caches yes and bp from retaliations

[hexed steppe]

Its like another ep bag. Its stronger than vile. Trust 🔥

[fossil crag]

You guys do love your spread sheets so I trust I guess hahah

[remote mural]

How I got my only pair god roll too rng is somethin

[cerulean perch]

Is there a good umbra inv build for pve

[mint axle]

How does it performs compared to firewall and Vile? Because, firewall doesn't give a +1 tier but it increases burn duration.

[strong cave]

30% amp is significantly better than whatever vile could put out. Overdogs is another one of those "the talent isn't exactly correct" scenarios

[worn imp]

If my new player friend wants to use Pesty, but imo he shouldnt farm for lengmo cause its hard, should he farm for tipping scales or striker? which is better for pesty?

[worn imp]

local do u know the answer to my question?

[hexed steppe]

I use in game testing for my builds. No spreadsheet required 🔥

[hexed steppe]

Its a difference of burning longer or hotter. You would have to test how much extra damage you get with duration compared to the increase of strength. Lmk

[hexed steppe]

Concentrated company is good for pesti if yall group up a lot

[worn imp]

okay and for solo?

[fossil crag]

it looks so off to me but if it works it works IDK i cant really care I dont use fire no more
I stopped useing it long before teh Overcats came out

[hexed steppe]

Either of the 2 you thought or just regular highend. Pesti will be the weaker option compared to better weapons on those builds

[worn imp]

i know but he really loves pesty lmao

[hexed steppe]

Then stick with striker or tipping as the solo. Both will perform similar

Probably tipping if he isnt accurate

[worn imp]

is the "100% weapon damage" the reason u wanna use sets or brands that give more LMG damage like lengmo and stuff?

so they are in fact not lying and the ticks are just based on only the weapon damage stat and no others??

[brazen otter]

Is my Alexandro build good or maybe u have any advise for it ?

[worn imp]

@subtle bluff Apologies for the ping, but would u happen to know?

we running retals and wanna know what to target for my friend

[strong cave]

Unfortunately with certain pieces, they may look niche and weird but they're usually slotted on builds for a very good reason. In this case, local made the right decision. He is getting two different damage sources, the first one being from the backpack and the second one being from his gloves. He has effectively doubled his damage. And the only things that he lost? Maybe a couple of minor attributes that make negligible difference in a build. In this case, he is going for all damage and I love it

Another good use that I have for those gloves is on Headhunter type builds. The amp also applies to Headhunter

[fossil crag]

liek I said I stopped playing fire long before the Over puppies so I didnt know about all this new stuff, Im still not shooting my gun before I fire off a sticky F that LOL

[fossil crag]

im gonna have to say i love you bro but super hard pass
no way no how will anyone tell me overmonkeys would be best in slot

[strong cave]

Sadly enough, they are. A high end version would hit for bigger numbers than HF right now, pretty sure at least

[lament reef]

bro got the monkey dlc

[strong cave]

Taking 3 IA + Punch Drunk + Overdogs + Chainkiller will get you well over 24m damage on an expertise 30 harvest

That's 4 piece hotshot numbers with an MMR btw

[shy willow]

High end hits harder, HF gives you crowd control and some sustainability

[fossil crag]

the hi end reggy build is a 100% oppsite build to this build this is a door build, high end reggy is more of a "reg build"
HHF Dodge city I think is best in slot for exotic if your putting the back pack on

[shy willow]

Mostly down to your preference

[fossil crag]

yes but that 2 diff builds HHF and High end reggy builds are not the same one bit

[strong cave]

For me I hit so hard just getting 1 kill completely kills the entire door spawn lmfao. Crowd control is almost not needed

[shy willow]

Yeeee just a cool option

[strong cave]

But on a full pistol build, taking DCH means it's a 1 time use thing. Better off with the dogs

[shy willow]

I go for HHF myself

[strong cave]

I go high end when I need damage. I go HHF when I know group scaling will nerf me

[shy willow]

You get the buff to your 870 as well ig

[fossil crag]

Now i will say this Id deff put overgiraffe gloves on my high end IA PVE build

[strong cave]

100% a good choice

[fossil crag]

gonan be so many sad agent when/if they nerf the overcheeta

And ima be LOL

im doing my part in not useing them so you guys can keep them unnurfed as long as they will let LOL

[hexed steppe]

This is why i usually challenge faulty opinions in build advice 💯

[fossil crag]

i mean iirc I did say in my post Cap gun is better..................

[flint arch]

#lfg-pc

[exotic widget]

ty

[hexed steppe]

Technically you said some will say cap is better...

[fossil crag]

stating yes I know its better

[hexed steppe]

Basically also implying its better to neuter the build instead of going all in on the fire... its a fine opinion, but it needs to be challenged because the point of this channel is producing the best possible builds for the majority.

I didn't challenge that statement at the start tho, did i?

[shy willow]

What's the context even 😭

[hexed steppe]

#td2-build-advice message

[shy willow]

Cap is best in slot by far end of story😭

It's like what 60 percent skill damage + DTA + DTTOOC

• a bunch of weapon damage

[hazy steeple]

Every time someone has said "cap" today, I've replaced it in my head with "lie", thanks to Zoomers.
Okay carry on.

[shy willow]

Ong frfr no cap?

[fossil crag]

YESS!!! lol

[hexed steppe]

I saw that

[fossil crag]

hot take!

[lament reef]

Deadass? on god?

lowkirkuinely?

[flint arch]

hi guys I think foundry bulwark is the best gear set i combined it with nbb and unit alloys and I can clear legendary stronghold in 0.00000000001 nanoseconds

my screenshots got eaten by a goblin though so I can't provide any proof but if you challenge me you're just salty and elitist

[dull lily]

is it worth having shield regen on a build or should I focus on other stats?

[olive cosmos]

anyone know why i cant recalibrate the talent