td2-build-advice

[remote mural]

How do I hit harder then what I’ve got ?

[hazy steeple]

Blue Cores when you have a shield can help you be braver, but sans shield and you've just got the issue of them lowering your DPS without increasing your bullet taking.

[rich cargo]

Get more shd watch lvles haha?

[remote mural]

but build wise is their better builds I could be using for pve ?

[flint arch]

could be an issue with your crit stats, but as for the basics it's as good as its gonna get aside from some minor things

standard striker is very standard for a reason

[hazy steeple]

Post a shot of your stats page that shows the crit stats.

should be up the top.

[remote mural]

50 chc I got non existent crit damage I thing 80

[flint arch]

you might want to tinker with the crit stats on your gear/mods

[hazy steeple]

That'll be it on both parts.
Try and raise your CHC up to 60 without going over, and pour the rest into CHD (should break 100)

[remote mural]

what’s best for farming shd levels still public exec?

[flint arch]

alert level 4 control points

#ask-td2-community message

[calm nacelle]

Are you taking full advantage of overdogs talent gimmick for the damage boost also? That's a good chunk right there

[hazy steeple]

It's honestly shocking just how effective that Equaliser/Overdogs combo is when it comes to damage, I'm not even using it on a Strikers build and I can feel my DPS being a warcrime.

[remote mural]

yea I try to focus the tiers for most part

[hazy steeple]

The crit stats really will do a lot for you, definitely try to get it as close as possible.

[remote mural]

Yea I think my chd is lacking a lot because my watch has no upgrade on chc so my mods go to that

[flint arch]

chc is usually recommended as your first priority for your watch

[remote mural]

I went all damage couldn’t tell u why

[hazy steeple]

I like to reverse the % for CHC, in order to show how vital it is to get it close to the cap.

[flint arch]

well now's your cue to invest into CHC

[hazy steeple]

So at absolute max, you have a 40% chance per bullet to not crit, at 50% that's half of your shots not critting.

[calm nacelle]

Solution is to shoot twice as many bullets then. 50% x2 = 100% right guys? That's how math works I'm certain 😆

[hazy steeple]

You joke, but there's a reason SMG Strikers are so popular :p

[calm nacelle]

I'm not knocking the build, I'm just making terrible jokes

[atomic turtle]

Then you have ACS-12 Strikers which are just a cancerous tumor to every NPC in this game.

A stage 5 tumor at that.

"What's that? You're a named enemy? Haha, Tinkerer ACS brazen goes boof, boof, boof."

[hazy steeple]

dw I was too lol.
I have a lot of contempt for that crazy combo.

[silver coral]

whats a good build for hunter sheriff?

[atomic turtle]

You might be able to use it with a sniper build, unironically.

Hunter's Fury w/ Chainkiller + Vigilance would probably slam hard.

[silver coral]

what is this chain killer?

[rain prairie]

Chest piece skill attribute

[flint arch]

is that CHC intended

[atomic turtle]

God no, lmao

[flint arch]

lmao

[silver coral]

i prefer the shield sherif build

[atomic turtle]

I mean, that doesn't prevent you from using a shield...

[silver coral]

even with vigilance?

[atomic turtle]

Vigilance doesn't get removed with a shield.

If it hits the shield, you're fine.

[silver coral]

ohh what chest should i get with that talent chain killer and on backpack aswell

[flint arch]

you only lose vigilance if you get hit and it

1. directly reduces your armor/health
2. is not a status effect

[flint arch]

chainkiller comes with perfect headhunter

[atomic turtle]

Well, Chainkiller is the named item that has perfect headhunter on it.

[flint arch]

dammit i left my game in chinese i need to check the spreadsheet for the brand

walker, harris & co.

[atomic turtle]

You don't need The Gift for perfect Vigilance because the damage bonus is the same. The only difference is that The Gift reduces the cooldown on hit by 1 second which is nothing.

[silver coral]

oh sweet i have one but with one bad atributes

[atomic turtle]

Well, if you're going to use a Chainkiller for a shotgun build, it's fine to have CHC/CHD.

Yeah, that one is fine. Perfect even.

[flint arch]

badger tuff backpack with vigilance, 🦄

[atomic turtle]

^

[silver coral]

how much CHC do i need to get?

[atomic turtle]

As much as you can get honestly. Just reroll the explosive resist to CHD.

[silver coral]

which brand is this?

[atomic turtle]

The Gift is from Providence Defense. You can get that or Badger Tuff. PD gives + 13% Headshot DMG as it's first brand set bonus. BT gives +10% Shotgun DMG as its first brand set bonus.

But you don't need the actual named item "The Gift" a normal Providence Defense backpack is fine.

You can't really lose with either since you're gonna be going for headshots for the most part.

But I think BT bonus scales better.

[flint arch]

iirc adding more SWD is better than HSD with HH

[atomic turtle]

Also, because of how the Shotgun class has an advantage over other weapon classes in how crit is determined, you can generally settle for 50-55% CHC, so you don't really need to cap it at 60% at all.

[silver coral]

just needed sherif for easy spamming priority so i can hit 1k shade level

[subtle bluff]

[atomic turtle]

lmao

[flint arch]

i wonder if this means chow will explode

[subtle bluff]

why is it me exploding your first go to?

[smoky latch]

He's never seen a manhunt I think

[flint arch]

i know what the icon means

[plush thistle]

can someone help me decide on an lmg for tipping scales? i am torn between these lmg's because its such a minor difference between them so i got blue screen, m60 classic, stoner, gr9, gear shift and military m60

[smoky latch]

I'd take the GR9. What talent?

As a sidenote, LMGs should have critical hit chance as 3rd attribute

And with TS you should def. make sure to reach 60% CHC, even if you overcap by a little bit

[plush thistle]

if i went with gr9 idk what talent to pick with that one because i feel like measured is the go to option but with its 300 round clip removes frenzy and 800 rpm it feels like more shots miss then hit might just be my aim

[smoky latch]

Switch the mag attribute to reload speed instead of additional mag size

M60's are good to build up stacks with TS in a solid way without wasting much ammo

But slow firing LMGs are meh IMO

[normal shadow]

Tried the Gear Shift and I liked it quite a bit. Also the Iron Lung was very nice.

[smoky latch]

If you use Gear Shift you make sure to squeeze each mag to the last bullet and hit NPCs. Otherwise you get the full punishment from the first half of the magazine but not the full benefit of the second half of it

I think I'd rather take a HE LMG with regular Measured on it

[lament reef]

maybe even frenzy

[summer totem]

Am i doing decent if im dealing 1 mil average crits using st elmo

[smoky latch]

What's your build?

[lament reef]

right now we have a large booster from the ambush event, so keep that in mind

[smoky latch]

Frenzy on GR9 is chef's kiss, but a bit hard with TS

[summer totem]

Harrier, Striker with equalizer

[smoky latch]

Any blue cores aside from Harrier?

[summer totem]

45 crit chance and 60+ crit damage

[summer totem]

None aside from harrier all are red

[smoky latch]

Oh you gotta work on that

[summer totem]

Im still shd 260, haven't upgraded my shd crit and damage crit

Focused on damage

[summer totem]

Dang and here i thought i was doing well

[smoky latch]

Idk if the crit value you mentioned is from when you have the Harrier buff or not, but I think it should be a bit more. For now it's OK but make sure to farm for better pieces/optimize what you have

Bit of general info about crits

[summer totem]

What should the value standard be

[smoky latch]

A'ight keep replacing the items you have then via farming

You will get higher rolled items the higher your world difficulty it

[summer totem]

I was thinking of using ninja backpack and replacing 1 of the items with something that gives better passive or stat

[solar sable]

oh no...

[summer totem]

Replacing 1 of the striker pc i mean

[smoky latch]

I can understand that, but let me tell you an open secret: NBB is not a good choice in PvE

[summer totem]

Im doing heroic difficulty rn

[smoky latch]

LMAO as soon as the word "NBB" appears in chat, you're present 😂

It's like magic

[solar sable]

I just turned my phone on 😭

[summer totem]

Using sniper build at least

Sniper's have a ridiculous damage multiplier

[smoky latch]

You can keep running the Harrier backpack for now if you like it, gives some damage reduction and additional damage

[summer totem]

Like wdym my damage jumped from 1 mil to 40 mil

[solar sable]

oh oh oh, its magic!

[smoky latch]

Oh that's perfect. Just keep farming then

[smoky latch]

BTW do you have a set build you are wanting to farm for?

[summer totem]

Rn im farming for airaldi and overdogs gloves to finish my free roam set

[smoky latch]

For a sniper build?

[summer totem]

Yeah

[junior lagoon]

why do we want skill damage/skill haste on The Setup?

[smoky latch]

Aye. This here is pretty much the best general DPS build:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/14enYng-1WNGx07vmvEHEHtlvtWfjH5ZNSAlUElXzFBs/edit

[summer totem]

I probably wont be able to do as well using other builds at least for now

[smoky latch]

For a sniper build check this:
#td2-build-advice message

[summer totem]

Being able to 1 tap bosses is satisfying af

[smoky latch]

We don't

[summer totem]

Yeah that's what im trying to copy but rngesus hates me

[smoky latch]

Nah, he hates everyone equally <insert Riven's Lootcifer joke here>

[junior lagoon]

this is from the pinned :

[summer totem]

Oh yeah f u to the person who suggested using any m870 variants to sniper build

[plush thistle]

out of all comparisons i felt classic m60 needed rate of fire and measured talent felt best for the options it meshed well with blue screen as both m60 classic and blue screen are missing a crit hit chance roll so i swapped 1 crit damage mod on my gear for another 6% making it 58% chc total for both as m60 i did stability instead of chc but that drops chd down by 10ish %. Military felt like less damage than m60 classic and blue screen but was more smooth and stable plus it has 2 crit hit mods on armor instead of 1 like previous set as it has an extra mod slot compared to m60 classic, gearshift stastically looks to be best with perfect measured but idk if it was the rpm or handling but i had a somewhat hard time with it; might be a playstyle issue or being used to longer time without reload. gr9 felt amazing but with its huge mag all the talents seemed rather ineffective it has high rpm so measured is pretty pointless i think unless i missed some understanding there, frenzy with huge mag made frenzy very weak as the more missing rounds you have the better it is which it lasts 10 seconds but i reload maybe twice an encounter meanwhile ranger is useful at range but the majority of the time its close to mid usually on some defesne outpost it works but others its all close making it a 50 - 50 option. thats just my opinion if theres some thing i missed or you feel different about im all ears to give it a shot. just trying to find what i like most

[summer totem]

2k damage per pellet is crazy work

[smoky latch]

Headhunter's Fury?

[summer totem]

Nah, it deals crappy damage

[smoky latch]

You might not have used Headhunter on your chest :p

Idk what build you tried out

[fleet gulch]

Is Umbras Initiative a good DPS set for LMGs?

[smoky latch]

Not in PvE. It's counter-intuitive

[solar sable]

TS, OD, Nego and Strikers*

wait wtf did i just type

[smoky latch]

Strikers and Strikers. Could make a good law firm

[summer totem]

I used hotshot, with fully stacked memento and chainkiller

But even if it wasnt a compatible build, dealing 2k damage per pellet is crazy work ToT

[fleet gulch]

Is this true also in coordinated play like Countdown?

[smoky latch]

I would not run Memento in that build but regardless, the damage should have been much higher, if you had HH fully stacked

[summer totem]

I feel like the m870 is bugged

[round zinc]

perfect measured on the mk48, is it worth it or nah

[summer totem]

Switched to thorn and dealt significantly damage by like 300k+ per pellet

[smoky latch]

Yeah. Let me explain:
An LMG has like 150-300 rounds in a magazine box. You want to fire a lot with it, right? That means, you will need cover because if you don't have cover, you will not make it very long.

Now, take Umbra. Umbra gives you a buff that charges while you are cover. But while you are in cover, do don't get the buff. You only get the buff when the stacks are fully charged and you are out of cover. Do you see what I mean?

[fervent seal]

Do people run dare or kingbreaker for the perfect flatline for heartbreaker?

[smoky latch]

Nah I don't think so. But I have no numbers to prove

[fleet gulch]

Wait, that just seems like bad design doesn't it?

[round zinc]

iirc perfect measured is like ~15% increase?someone did the math on the apartment

[atomic turtle]

Christ, every PO I've gotten for an exo today has been PvP the fk is this cursed RNG.

[smoky latch]

Yup, it's a bad mixture. You can use an AR or an SMG for Umbra. In PvP you can even use an LMG but only because there are only a few players shooting at you, not a batallion of lazer aim NPCs

Oh bad design you mean how the set works? The set mechanic is fine

It's just that you intend to use it wrong

[smoky latch]

IDK maybe someone planned it for Refactor?

At most you want skill damage and status effects for most CC builds

But usually status effects and skill haste

[fleet gulch]

On another note, I heard from some strangers I grouped with that there's an interesting Heartbreaker with Technician laser pointer build that does very good damage and has survivability without needing to bring the pulse skill. Is this build known and competitive with other weapon damage builds?

[smoky latch]

Tech tanks in group play are not dealing really much damage. More in solo play but also not much since the focus of it is more survivability

Striker's build with Memento, maybe roll 1-2 cores to blue in the beginning and you're golden

[raw forge]

what is currently the best headhunter determined sniper? I see some people saying SR-1 is the best, some say m700, some say white death. which is the one I should be aiming for?

[normal shadow]

My personal preference is Mantis coupled with the Decoy skill.

[fleet gulch]

Well, it'd be more for the DPS than the tankiness. The interesting part of it to me again is using technician and modding your weapon with the laser pointer so it automatically pulses whoever you aim at, and you do a ton of free damage with heartbreaker.

I wonder though, is that actually good or does it sound gimmicky?

[smoky latch]

Personal preference

[smoky latch]

HB isn't really good, no. Try the Striker's variant I suggested

[atomic turtle]

Take me back in time, INF.

Back to the good times.

[smoky latch]

It was insane when it came out but that's a loooong time ago

[atomic turtle]

Imagine if they just stopped working on the game after that patch.

[fleet gulch]

Is it because of powercreep or whatever? Iirc Strikers was in the first The Division so it's been around forever.

[smoky latch]

Striker's is just very versatile in many ways

[atomic turtle]

^ It's a nice set now because it can be used in many ways.

[fleet gulch]

I've got some Strikers gear saved, but I don't know yet what pieces I should use to complete it after getting the 4 piece bonus. I'm guessing chest and backpack are non-negotiable to have as Strikers ones for their talents.

[west kiln]

backpack yes

[atomic turtle]

Nah, The backpack is almost always nice to have, Chest not as much.

The rule of thumb is:
Can you maintain over 100 stacks consistently? If so, use chest. If not, use something else.

Equalizer is one that's often picked up in place of the chest.

[west kiln]

im still running an old ceska chestpiece cuz i don't have eq

[fleet gulch]

The way I understand it is, you use an auto shotgun to turbo charge your way to max stacks, so it doesn't sound too difficult to get to 100+ whenever you want

[atomic turtle]

Yes, but the only way to build up stacks stupid fast is to either use a very high RPM weapon, or use the ACS-12/SASG-12. And sometimes using either of those isn't an ideal option.

They work for stack building, yes, but if you can't get close enough to use them, it's meaningless.

And if your goal is to deal as much damage as possible, on the higher difficulties this can get tricky, for example, on Legendary.

Building mega-stacks without dying usually means doing one of two things: Stunning NPCs to the point they can't fight back or using a shield to soak DMG while you build your stacks.

It sounds simple enough but you'd be surprised how much easier it is said than done.

[subtle bluff]

ACS12 is a quick of buliding stacks for Striker or HB. But it can and is a trap sometimes.

[atomic turtle]

And scaling in groups can make this easier or worse depending on how you look at it. The more HP the enemy has the more you can build off a single NPC, but it also means each kill still takes longer than solo.

Actually, scratch that, it's still a net-negative cause the NPC is still alive and not dead, which they should be.

[subtle bluff]

YouTubers again have made that too important.

[lament reef]

one of the reasons i like OD so much

you are basically at like 80% striker stack as long as you can one mag kill

[dense roost]

How're we looking chat

[atomic turtle]

It's weird, because on higher difficulties Strikers performs better via the fact that NPCs are spongier in higher difficulties. So logically you get more value out of the set because of its stack mechanic.

But by that same token, that mechanic is functionally useless aganst NPCs on lower difficulties because you're already melting them so quickly, and hence you're not actually building stacks to any meaningful degree, thus not getting any tangible value out of the set.

[dense roost]

Haven't messed around with Diamondback since I got it at all so wanted to try a rifle build

[lament reef]

aces and 8s

man i haven’t used that since i hit level 30

[shrewd stump]

Is pestilence a viable gun for heroic and above?

[atomic turtle]

Pestilence is overall a solid gun, but it will really shine with a Tipping Scales build.

[dense roost]

Seemed the appropriate choice

[shrewd stump]

I’m using bullet king with breaker but struggle at heroic Brooklyn

[dense roost]

I will probably switch this build to Overdogs when I get them but I have not been lucky

[shrewd stump]

Hyena mask , equalizer and 4 breaker gambit

[dense roost]

Pestilence was the first exotic I got at level 40 and it carried me for a little bit in my first ventures into harder content, I'm a big fan

[atomic turtle]

Bullet King is a bit of a noob trap. The infinite ammo without reload seems nice at first, but Tipping Scales works around this, and truthfully, you're rarely in situations in this game where reloading would be problematic.

[shrewd stump]

Big golden gun, me likey

[atomic turtle]

Use it if you'd like, I've got nothing against it, but other LMGs outperform it.

[dense roost]

It's definitely a fun power fantasy and it's also beautiful which helps

[shrewd stump]

I’m gonna try farm tipping scale with pestilence, what other lmg would you recommend tho?

[dense roost]

I put this together today, I like the fire rate and mag size from centurion's scabbard a lot

[atomic turtle]

GR9 is a solid pick, or the Classic M60.

Iron Lung also works wonders.

[dense roost]

GR9 Feels so good to shoot, love that thing

[atomic turtle]

I think Frenzy is the top pick for it? I don't remember.

[dense roost]

What'a a good talent for regular LMGs on a Tipping Scales build? I imagine Strained makes sense but you already have sm crit damage on that kinda build

[atomic turtle]

There's also Unhinged, but I don't remember if that one is good or not. The Stability and Accuracy reduction is like nothing, but I don't remember how the DMG is calculated.

[shrewd stump]

In my mind I thought exotic would be better than high end

[dense roost]

Running Big Al and another LMG

[atomic turtle]

I would imagine Optimist as well would work. Or Fast Hands. Killer probably also works fine on it, averaging activation equal to your CHC in the long run.

[smoky latch]

Unhinged with Coco works.

That talent reduces accuracy and stability and coco makes up for it

[atomic turtle]

Is it really that noticeable? I didn't notice much difference with Unhinged personally. LMGs are already pretty stable as a weapon class and their accuracy gets better the longer you shoot.

[smoky latch]

I found it quite significant when I used it, least for long range

[mortal inlet]

Is the decoy good against both pve and pvp?

alroighty then i have further questions gimme a moment

[atomic turtle]

You can easily fool people not paying attention or catching them off-guard.

For NPCs it can be tricky since threat tends to go all over the place at times.

[mortal inlet]

so this is my build, i replaced the crusader sheild with the decoy so im wondering if i should switch off the lefty and if so what?

i can send more screenshots if needed

[atomic turtle]

Well, Mantis plays off the Decoy, so not using it is kind of wasting what makes the Gun better to use.

Lefty is whatever, if you don't take advantage of the talent very often, I would just swap it for a Rifle or another MMR. The Model 700 with Determined is a solid choice. You can really chain some crazy kills with that.

[subtle bluff]

Do you know what countdown is?

or TL (Target Loot)

[atomic turtle]

What Mr.Chow is getting at is that some of your pieces need work.

[mortal inlet]

i would use a rifle but the recoil is annoying to manage lmao

[subtle bluff]

making it easier to farm everything

[atomic turtle]

The Classic M1A hits hard and easy to handle, use that.

[mortal inlet]

i farmed the hotshot stuff via summit which i just got yesterday after switching from aces

[junior lagoon]

@smoky latch finding that belstone backpack with adrenaline rush was a challenge

[atomic turtle]

1886 is also a pseudo MMR, you can slap determined on that and do just as well.

[mortal inlet]

ive not been one looking up guides n stuff ive been winging it this whole time lol, besides looking up hotshot and the decoy

[atomic turtle]

The only thing I would change about your build is grabbing Chainkiller or a chest with Headhunter. And using Airaldi with the Vigilance talent.

[subtle bluff]

there's a quicker way of farming.

[mortal inlet]

the summit took like less than an hour cause i kept dying and getting lucky with the drops lol

[atomic turtle]

Countdown is better. You're leaving with like 40 loot items or more per match, and you can set the target loot just like in Summit.

[subtle bluff]

.....

[atomic turtle]

Each match is like 15 minutes tops.

Unless you prefer the slower pace of Summit, then stick to that. But if you want loot in a hurry, Countdown is the go-to.

[subtle bluff]

I'll leave it with you.

[mortal inlet]

hmmm

[atomic turtle]

I got lucky once and left with like 60 items to sort through.

That's the only thing about CD. Make sure you have plenty of inventory space so you can just grab and go.

[smoky latch]

Took me a while as well lol

[mortal inlet]

also minor thing, is it possible to get the quickstep pistol rn?

[atomic turtle]

Challenging has the highest matchmaking pool. You can do Heroic, but the loot quality isn't much better and it's slower. Plus the NPCs really are just annoying to kill without a solid red build, which sniper isn't suited for with the kind of fast-paced gameplay CD is. Chaining kills without reds or purples suck and most enemies are Elites.

[atomic turtle]

Yes, but you need someone with the Houndsman bounty to invite you into their session.

[mortal inlet]

shit

i know nobody in the game ive been playing all solo lmao

besides one person that i know i outrank by now

[atomic turtle]

The Houndsman was a season event so you have to find someone that still has the bounty and hasn't done it yet.

[atomic turtle]

I can help if you want it that badly. I just need you to give me 5 minutes to finish a PO real quick.

[mortal inlet]

i can wait but if you really dont mind i can go for it

[atomic turtle]

It's not hard, just gotta kill enemies repeatedly until it drops, shouldn't take more than like two tries, 3 if unlucky.

[atomic turtle]

Alright, what's your IGN?

[mortal inlet]

ign?

[atomic turtle]

in game name.

[arctic panther]

Ignited grape nicotine

[mortal inlet]

ooooh lol

Sudomane is my username

[arctic panther]

Anyone have solid advice for farming Equalizer or salvo gear pieces?

[terse crater]

Countdown (Heroic) focus Unit Alloys

[hazy steeple]

Since they share a brand, you can farm 2-in-1, by TL (targeted loot) farming the brand they share. UA.

Don't bother with Heroic CD though.

Challenging CD is fine, it's basically the same rolls for gear anyway.

[arctic panther]

Is challenging fine? Lol my guy is too weak currently

Ooh ok lol

[smoky latch]

Perfectly fine

[hazy steeple]

Heroic CD has a weird scaling thing, it's never worth it unless you can sprint through it with a premade team.

[terse crater]

I run random matchmaking and don't have any issues. Even prior to having meta Strikers

[subtle bluff]

or want to DPS check your build.

[hazy steeple]

Testing your build in Heroic CD isn't exactly a good idea either.

as with the buffs it gives you, it skews how it works.

[subtle bluff]

That's fair

[arctic panther]

I'm gonna go at it solo because I've always had issues running matchmaking on ps5

[terse crater]

do summit then

[smoky latch]

I use Striker's chest in heroic CD 😬

[subtle bluff]

solo CD?

[arctic panther]

If anything I'll switch back and forth

[hazy steeple]

Retaliation is the solo TL farm, not Summit.
Summit TL farming is slow as all heck, due to a lack of spawn rates.

[terse crater]

Summit is just more forgiving

atleast imo

[smoky latch]

Drops are okay with 7-9 directives enabled. Otherwise not worth it in terms of farming

[hazy steeple]

@arctic panther Try "matchmaking" for Countdown on Challenging difficulty, you should find a team quickly.

[arctic panther]

Lmao I' just recently getting back in the game trying to make a solid st. Elmos/striker build

[hazy steeple]

It really is a lot faster.

[arctic panther]

I'll go for it and see if 5 minutes works lol

[subtle bluff]

Just CP's then retal afterwards

You need CP's for weapon mods and general blueprints anyways.

[arctic panther]

Trying to get this kinda build just to let me grind easier for other builds

[smoky latch]

If you use the Striker's backpack instead of NBB then it's a solid build

Hm, I wrote NBB and doomz didn't appear

[arctic panther]

So no mag cap increase but backpack is better? Idk exactly if the tradeoff is better it lowkey might be

[subtle bluff]

Quicker TTK is better than a big mag

[arctic panther]

True dat

[smoky latch]

He's right

[subtle bluff]

Elmo isn't needed too

[smoky latch]

Elmo already has 70 rounds

[arctic panther]

What ar is better¿

[hazy steeple]

Elmo is a good choice as a "just throw it on and it works" gun, but there are better options for the long-run.

[smoky latch]

Elmo is fine but I'd recommend a Police M4 with Killer/Measured

[arctic panther]

Explain! Curious

[subtle bluff]

any +790 rpm weapon with DTTooC and Killer (solo) and measured for everything else.

[pulsar burrow]

For Hotshot builds. Whats a good secondary weapon to use?

[subtle bluff]

I show

[subtle bluff]

It's really up to the player. I normally use another MMR one with Detemine and the the other one of the exo ones.

[arctic panther]

Looks really solid

I'll keep the police m4 noted

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't need to be M4. M4 just easy to say.

P416 Famas others out ther that all work.

[pulsar burrow]

Interesting. Using the Mantis cause I like the decoys as a primary. And then the Thorn as a secondary cause I like the Spas-12 aesthetic lol.

[arctic panther]

Noted

[subtle bluff]

You can't post links to your own YouTube

IT's why I post in a this format.

[violet shadow]

I see

[subtle bluff]

We know you're not but since it is an official disocrd for TD2 no self promotion.

[violet shadow]

I'm not sure how to do that....

[subtle bluff]

Just the raw video you can upload

[violet shadow]

Gotta get on my pc one sc

What about if I forwarded the video cause it's 8 mins and I don't have Discord nitro

Like the link...

[hazy steeple]

If it's a link to your channel, it's not allowed.

Sorry, rules have to remain consistent for everyone.

[violet shadow]

Gotcha Well then I'll sit here and figure something out as I can't share the video right now

[hazy steeple]

If you're just trying to show us the build, take a screenshot of the main build page and we'll see it.

[subtle bluff]

DL something called Handbrake

You can compress to into 720p video and it'll work better

[violet shadow]

I see alrighry I'll give it a try

[arctic panther]

What would be good attributes or core attributes for lets say a famas 2010

I have killer already in yhe library

[violet shadow]

I shared a picture of the build earlier

This'll be with a different piece tho with blood sucker

[subtle bluff]

weapons are always DTTooC

[arctic panther]

Hm?

[subtle bluff]

You talkng about the value/amount? or?

[subtle bluff]

It's lost

[arctic panther]

I mean like what's the better idk attribute like we have damage to armor, rate of fire, swap speed

I think health damage is fixed in

Yeah it is

[subtle bluff]

It's always. DTTooC - Dmg to target out Cover.

[arctic panther]

Ooh thats what that means got it

I rolled this but I think that white arrow means it caps at that. How do I fix that so it can go all the way?

[atomic turtle]

For weapons, you always want DTOC as the third attribute with the exception of LMGs which already roll DTOC natively.

The short and sweet of it is that Division uses different ways to calculate damage done, and DTOC is calculated multiplicatively rather than additively, so your DMG explodes faster. Basically, you have Additives and Amplifiers. Amplifiers are what you want wherever possible. Additives should only be taken if it's the only available option and doesn't compromise build synergy. Which is why Fox's Prayer Kneepads isn't always used, even when it has 8% DTOC on it.

[atomic turtle]

The arrow on the bar signifies up to where you have that attribute saved in the library.

[solar sable]

White arrow means that that's the value you have extracted in your Library. If you want to have it maxed, extract a max value.

[atomic turtle]

When you have it maxed it turns orange like so:

[arctic panther]

Alright that's good info thanks!

[atomic turtle]

I don't know if the spreadsheet is up to date, but these two links have the Weapon/Gear talent list. And it tells you in there which is an Amplifier and which is just a flat damage increase.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=89782728#gid=89782728

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1724618107#gid=1724618107

[arctic panther]

Gotcha

[signal frigate]

To everyone who has watched escalation for the higher levels what builds were people using so I can know which build should I actually prototype ( besides striker yes I know they been using that build)

[subtle bluff]

There's an old thing in Build Hub with of the list of AMP, TWD and WD stuff

[subtle bluff]

#1484200964712829028

[silver coral]

do i need 2 blue for sheriff hunter chain killer , and gift/providence backpack build?

[subtle bluff]

I never use blues for HH or HF builds.

[signal frigate]

Im confused what you sending me

[subtle bluff]

to the channel where people did PTS.

[solar sable]

PTS has ended plus you really shouldn't apply Exp 30 on gear this soon. Wait until changes are made and Proto gear is something solid. It's still pretty soon to tell atm.

[signal frigate]

Okay

That makes sense

[desert wind]

I’m going for a DPS build (I’m new), atm im using rifles as higher damage but the clips at so small, am I better off using assault rifles?

[subtle bluff]

Per bullet Rifle does more but anything with RPM has a much higher DPS.

[solar sable]

there's two different ways to build around Rifles and ARs
btw take a look at the Lvl40 Starters Guide

[silver coral]

even if you uses shield?

[subtle bluff]

None.

[desert wind]

I only level 29 so should I just not bother until 40? 😂

[solar sable]

yeah

[subtle bluff]

100% nothing matter till 40

[solar sable]

nothing matters before lvl40

[subtle bluff]

Try everything and use everything.

[desert wind]

Haha okay good to know, I haven’t played since it was first released aha

Thanks guys and girls! 😌

[solar sable]

"Actually I'm a boy!"
-Felix

[silver coral]

ok all red then tnx

[atomic turtle]

Ya know... sometimes I feel ike I'm being punished for doing my job as DPS properly.

EIGHT other people to shoot at and the NPCs target me because I'm the one mopping the floor with a Hunter.

That two games in a row where threat just sucks to deal with.

[solar sable]

Imagine dancing Salsa with a Hunter

[flat cave]

lol.. some days I feel like a total dummy.. I'm running around trying to farm a green set of striker gear and all I was getting was blue gear.. checked my settings and turned off a colorblind setting I guess I had set and low and behold.. the blue set WAS green.. sighs

[atomic turtle]

Bro, I died in CD because a Hunter was on my ass and no one was helping. I killed the guy myself after foaming him but it doesn't matter because the other NPCs getting shot at by my team IN THEIR FACE, decides I'm a bigger issue. Like what the FK.

The way threat in this game works just sucks ass because if you're pushing out giga numbers you will always take priority over someone else that is actively up in someones face and shooting a chunk of their cheeks off.

So it's like... I'm 40 meters away, having my fight in the corner with a Hunter, then some fk ass NPC decides, "Yeah I know your teammate is up my ass with a shotgun, but I'm going to shoot you instead."

[lime panther]

Only thing I could think of for that is looking for the 'Cloak' named item kneepads

[atomic turtle]

It's a load of actual horse shit.

[lime panther]

-50% reduced threat on those, if you can find a way to work them into your loadout

[atomic turtle]

Without wrecking my damage? No.

[flat cave]

I know the feeling.. I got two tapped by a hunter earlier.. everyone was blasting away.. I run around and corner and instantly downed

[atomic turtle]

I shouldn't have to rely on items like that though, least of all when I can see the guy literally switch targets to me, because he decided he wanted to butt into my fight. Actually dumb design.

All while he's already get shot at by two of my teammates at that, and only when I died did he turn back to them.

Who on Earth coded this...

[flat cave]

there are times I really WANT to run into CD with a full on FU tank build

[atomic turtle]

This all wouldn't be a problem if threat actually worked as intended, and wasn't just based on "Who's the monkey doing the most damage? Target that guy."

But apparently, that's how it works. Gigablasting a Hunter into oblivion instantly catches the attention of every NPC in a 10 mile radius.

[subtle bluff]

Blue OD works and doesn't hold the team back

[grand girder]

tbf I think its kinda normal to target the guy wiping out your entire squad yknow?

if little jimmy is missing half his shots and uncle bob is 1 tapping your buddys i know who I'm targeting

[atomic turtle]

At that point just remove threat altogether cause it won't matter with how much they like to switch targets anyway. lmao That attribute is pointless in a game like this where there isn't even a consistent holy trinity of Tanks, Healers, and DPS. It's all just DPS.

[grand girder]

oh I don't disagree threat is beyond dumb in division, but the current system makes more sense from the angle of the npcs having a brain

ain't no one shooting the bullet proof armored van (tank guy) compared to the extremely dangerous minigunner wearing sandals

[atomic turtle]

I don't need them to have brains. In fact, I need their brains splattered across the pavement by my Classic M1A thanks.

[solar sable]

ngl, that type of physics would be nice in this kinda games

[grand girder]

sniper elite was kind of on the right track but they did it wrong imo

[atomic turtle]

I'll be fair here, I agree with you in that regard that kind of design makes logical sense. But it directly contradicts RPG elements where you'd usually find a trifecta of DPS, Tank, and Supports (i.e. healers). But Division turned the other cheek on the highway and said, "nah, fk that dude, lmao here's builds that do anything and everything in between." Which makes AI targeting also unpredictable as hell.

I mean if this was like actually meant to be difficult content, I could definitely agree with you there. But this is Countdown for Christs sake. It's a farming sim and I just feel like I'm being punished for playing well.

I still don't get why that farmin sim even needs perma death, especially when it doesn't even clock in until extract phase.

[crude drift]

which should i choose for shotgun, acog scope or micro red do?

[subtle bluff]

Context helps.

[subtle bluff]

oh you're not 40.

Nothing matter till your lvl 40.

[leaden wraith]

Is this build okay? It’s tanky enough for retaliation on heroic so that’s a benchmark I’m happy with, but I still feel like I lack a lot of damage. Most of the mods are crit damage/chance. not sure if there is a better gun I should consider using

[smoky latch]

Hmm

Where should I start

[fossil crag]

This is why YouTube build vids are bad news bears

[grand girder]

too many blues, memento would be better exotic and chameleon has range issues and feels like an smg, any other ar will be infinitely more useful at distance

also foundry bulwark is definitely a choice

[leaden wraith]

Is it that bad to have a full 4-piece? I’m on the newer side of build crafting so I wasn’t sure. Chameleon definitely sucks range-wise but this is tanky enough where that isn’t a huge issue, mostly just don’t kill enough that close.

[grand girder]

the problem with being too tanky is you deal next to no damage, this is why hybrids are a good middle ground because you get the survivability you need while still being able to kill enemys within a decent time so you aren't just sponging bullets until you die

[grand girder]

4pc isnt bad on certain sets but foundry is doing you no favors here

[leaden wraith]

Oooo how does a hybrid build look? I have noticed it’s either glass cannon or bust I’ve just got so bored with striker and st Elmo’s lol

[subtle bluff]

Let's put it another way. Up to solo heroic almost anything is viable. But once you move out of that things scale differently.

I need to work on the Hybrid builds guides

[leaden wraith]

Is there any fun build that doesn’t require me to just run pure red? I had a refractor build for support with capacitor but was looking for a new one

[smoky latch]

Define fun

Since it's subjective

[leaden wraith]

More than just using my one primary weapon probably for me. I like using skills but those are hit or miss for endgame and to do most things you have to invest so much into weapon damage so I feel limited on what playstyles I can try

[smoky latch]

Have you ever tried a mortar build?

Or seen one at least

Also, do you play predomenantly solo or in groups?

[leaden wraith]

I’ve used the mortar but idk what build it is. i definitely need to get used to it because i didn’t like using the mortar first time around haha, maybe it’s different on harder difficulties though because i tried it during warlords dlc on story

[smoky latch]

It can pack a real punch with the right build. I assume you just ran whatever gear you had and it didnt really work well together

[leaden wraith]

I have one other friend I play with. He’s fine with using meta builds and we both came from Destiny so the systems aren’t complicated to understand. I’m just a huge enjoyer of build crafting

[smoky latch]

If you like build crafting you will like this build planner:
https://buildstation.app/

[leaden wraith]

Honestly no I tried to make a tank build with some heavy regen, it helped my friend because it gave them a lot of armor due to them being all red and I was able to swap revive for artificer for retaliations which was great! I just fell short on damage too much so I felt like it wasn’t doing a whole lot of help

[leaden wraith]

Thanks!

[smoky latch]

Tank builds in this game don't work so well as they do in other RPGs/shooters with such a mechanic

They're valid up to a point but generally you lose more from running one than you gain

[leaden wraith]

Yeah I’ve started to notice 😭 maybe I’ll give that mortar build a shot haha

[smoky latch]

Hang on

[leaden wraith]

I saw a Reddit post that gave me some hope with the new prototype armor tho so that’s exciting

[smoky latch]

I ran a slightly different version in the PTS. It's OK solo but blows nothing out of the water

[leaden wraith]

Oh darn

[smoky latch]

With that set in a full red build I got 1.5 mil armor

But the damage was lacking for a red build

[leaden wraith]

When does that new update come out btw?

[smoky latch]

Beginning of April, think it was April 2nd?

[leaden wraith]

Gotcha thx

[flint arch]

the gear set provides only stats, but no amps or anything that would actually boost your damage

[smoky latch]

Yeah 2nd

[smoky latch]

Two guides:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19mY6aOHO0R6BIq7nDFNTk2bducYQkpwsQJNDQhnekAI/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.dznfr7r650m7

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14JewhEMH0hPmmCMGRYirMzcpzd6TiIzngyUTnA7Shcw/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.lgl0lchtu40p

Similar but different. Give it a shot if you want

[leaden wraith]

Okay question: is there a build out there that just turns sticky bombs into one shot monsters or no lol

[flint arch]

it's going to perform like some 6pc improvised set but worse because you now have no gear set effects, only 3 mods, and only 1 attribute for 4 of the 6 pieces

[smoky latch]

You were able to have that in Division 1 lol

It's nerfed in this game and not as effective outside of special events

[leaden wraith]

Ahhhh okay

[smoky latch]

Anyways, those two guides I posted above come from the spreedsheet which can be found in the 1st pinned msg in this channel. Part of a massive, community made spreadsheet. It yields a good variety of build suggestions and useful info in general, case you're interested

[leaden wraith]

For the second doc, you can aim the mortar while in shield?

[smoky latch]

You can have both skills active, yes. I would not run it like that personally but it's an option

[leaden wraith]

Was just curious for other shield ideas, probably would run sticky chem launcher to get better at aim then go from there

[smoky latch]

Yeah go try things out. Everything in here are just recommendations and suggestions, what you make of it is up to you

[smoky latch]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LPnA18PDgGg_dEbNI1kZVTVIMGXNHQS_
Maybe you'll find something in here as well; a bit of gear knowledge helps but everything is explained either way

[subtle bluff]

Yes but why would use a shield with HP vs something that can't be destroy.

[misty walrus]

are the habsburg rolled cores bugged?

[solar sable]

why?

[misty walrus]

its been 2 months with hundred thousands of e credit n resources, i still havent got at least one piece with proper red cores

[slate wedge]

red cores?

you mean core or attributes?

[misty walrus]

yeah

[solar sable]

habs doesnt drop with red core

[misty walrus]

at least attributes should have had more red 😫

so far the best roll i could get for the chest

[solar sable]

blue core'd brands tend to go more to blue/yellow attributes, red atts are rare

are you trying to do unicorn hotshot?

[misty walrus]

yeah, real pain

[solar sable]

not worth doing

[atomic turtle]

Hey @subtle bluff or @smoky latch what talent should I put on this if I already have one with Strained and Fast Hands?

Or should I just leave it with Measured?

[flat cave]

my issue atm is that Countdown Map doesn't fully load at times so I keep falling through the map.. lol.. but each run I do lately is for ARs to try and get St' Elmo's Engine

[smoky latch]

I dislike that archetype. RPM is OK for Measured if you want

[flat cave]

I think I would have to switch it to SMG or rifles if I wanted to try for both St. Elmos's and Chameleon

I am using a vector and Carbine 7 atm.. I really like the RPM of the vector

NVM.. I'll leave it on ARs.. Chameleon is an AR is seems.. lol

[smoky latch]

Chameleon is a modified SMG (Vector)

Carbine 7 is solid

[subtle bluff]

MP5? What are you using it for?

[atomic turtle]

Nothing at the moment. I just have a massive weapons collection for pretty much any situation. I have two copies already of the ST variant, one with Strained and another with Fast Hands.

I could open a gun shop with everything I have. The most I have copies of is FAMAS. one for each skin plus another two. lmao

[plush thistle]

@infinity i finally got a few gr9's that spec'd right so you think reload for 3rd attribute with what perk for tips scale build?

[solar sable]

CHC for LMGs always

[plush thistle]

im already over on chc im at 63% id have to take both my chc mods off which would leave me a little under 60 chc i believe i got a 6 and 5.7 on atm for chc

[solar sable]

RoF it is

[plush thistle]

if i swap that attribute how should i balance that? a gun is 9.5 max right one sec let me go check

ok 6x6 = 36 +10 = 46 + 9.5 = 55.5 oh 1 crit mod would work ok so rest damage mods?

[slate wedge]

unwavering or killer are good too

[subtle bluff]

It's fine to go over

with TS builds.

[plush thistle]

im guessing theres no technically way to not waste a slot to make sure im at 60?

[atomic turtle]

I used to hit 60 exactly on my HF build till Massive decided they wanted to nerf shit for no reason.

[subtle bluff]

yes and no.

[atomic turtle]

Still madge about that.

[plush thistle]

lol thats unfortunate

[flint arch]

now we will have prototypes. enjoy having all of your upgraded rolls go into CHC, completely screwing up your crit ratio into a lopsided mess whether you like it or not

oh and you don't get to do things like "swap equipment out", it's 83% CHC or bust

[plush thistle]

does stability or accuracy matter more for tips? if its stability if i did a 5 chc mod on my gun making it 10% i could do full damage mods on my armor with 30% stability would that be the most efficient?

total would be 60.5% for chc if im mathing this right

[silk wadi]

with TS full chc until 60%

stability and accuracy depends on the gun and how it feels to shoot it

[atomic turtle]

Disgustang

[plush thistle]

stability effects recoil the most and accuracy effects first shot or is it different now?

[atomic turtle]

Accuracy is the "bloom" or spread of your gunfire.

The higher it is the tighter the spread is.

[plush thistle]

looks like imma have to go test then i never really paid attention to that detail ty hyperiem

im having more cone left and right up and down so id need more stability?

[mental zealot]

What roll should I be going for on the Sheriff and is Hunters fury a good set to run with it?

Right now I have max shotgun dmg, armor dmg and crit damage

[atomic turtle]

FYI, don't go by the bar on the gun's stats, that's a trap. You lose all recoil at 100% Stability which you can see in your stats page.

[plush thistle]

ah ok

[solar sable]

DTOC and yes

[mental zealot]

Ok thank you

[plush thistle]

ok thx a bunch i am finally set up just gotta farm shd and outcast parts sigh

[atomic turtle]

Woo Assault back.

Countdown req farm time too.

[flint arch]

Time to open exotic caches for days, that is if nobody throws turrets at the Hunters

[urban helm]

recently hit 40 and just got the full set of strikers gear. where should I go from here? I havent recalibrated anything yet

[cloud sorrel]

get rid of two pieces, usually mask and chest as a starter

[lament reef]

could also do gloves instead of mask

[cloud sorrel]

farm a coyote (exo mask) and an equalizer named chest from unit alloys, when that's done, farm for the exo gloves overdogs

[cloud sorrel]

coyote is easier to get and he will need it while getting to the gloves

[lament reef]

while you’re waiting for those to drop, try a ceska mask

[cloud sorrel]

and switch your ak to for any weapon that have above 790 rpm and put the talent killer on it

and check the pinned message to get some guides on what to do next

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[summer totem]

What should i aim for when i reroll my st elmo's

Crit chance or crit damage

[paper dagger]

Depends on your stats.

If you got atleast 55% chc u can get chd or damage to armor

The difference between damage to armor and chd isnt that huge

[silent grove]

anyone know a good bighorn build i be wanting to test ones

[cloud sorrel]

wait are you recalibrating it ?

[cloud sorrel]

this is some bad advices

you want to get DTTOOC on all of your weapons, except for LMGs where you go for CHC cause DTTOOC is already on it

and if you already have too much CHC while using an LMG then you go for RoF on it

[cloud sorrel]

there are two high-end builds that are good with the bighorn, or you could use it with a striker set anyway

[silent grove]

i do have it with striker just wondering abt other builds striker be boring using it a lot times

[silent grove]

thx

[cloud sorrel]

or you could go for an equalizer instead of the sacrifice

i personnaly use the equalizer with fox's prayer and a prov def mask, but i'll try to swap the fox's prayer for unit alloys kneepads soon, it might be better for the mag size you'll get from the third piece, i just didn't had time to farm one

[silent grove]

ill test them all and see but i dont have overdogs still tryna get mines the RNG is not in my favour for these haha

[cloud sorrel]

are you sure you don't already have the blueprints ?

alot of ppl don't know that but the blueprint is a reward from the completion of the hyenas retaliations, it wont drop on the ground but will be given and be in your crafting table as soon as you get it

so you might already have it actually

[silent grove]

i dont have it yet at least

[cloud sorrel]

ok 🙂

[silent grove]

i be unlucky so far

[cloud sorrel]

i was just asking cause i already had alot of ppl i tried to help getting those in game, but they already had the blueprint without knowing x)

[silent grove]

understandable i get it

[meager mesa]

am i doing something wrong? my chud build feels like it does no damage in heroic countdown

[kindred mango]

Recommend challenging difficulty. The drop quality of items aren’t much different really and it’s easier

[silent grove]

imo the striker chest piece boosts dmg more with the bag also

[thick meteor]

Hmmm, maybe you arent landing your shots alot? Missed shots = missed dps. It could also be due to the exotic? (exodus doesnt have a good offensive skill.) But still its a good build and this is my two cents

[kindred mango]

Exodus is fine other than slightly annoying your team

[meager mesa]

i be hitting my shots n shi but it takes so long to kill enemies in heroic countdown 💔

[thick meteor]

Striker chest makes stacks into the 200s, which isnt easy to get outside of boss rooms, and big chunky boys.

[thick meteor]

I mean, enemies wont go down easily. I usually play on heroic, but it takes a bit to put down enemies

[silent grove]

its why i said in my opinion id use the striker chest

i find it best but each to there own

[meager mesa]

it takes so long it honestly kinda feels like a joke atp

[kindred mango]

You are shd 50 don’t sweat it

Good build for your level

[meager mesa]

i want more shd levels but ion know a good way to farm them i just been doing countdowns

[thick meteor]

I mean, you have better stats than me (i have less chd and chc), but I think its due to some of your pieces not having a high base weapon damage stat, or you dont have perfect oblit on

[tall jackal]

Public Executions and or just open-world activities

Anything to just grind and not get bored

[thick meteor]

Nope, you have perfect oblit, could be a stack issue? You mght not be able to get stacks in time.

[meager mesa]

i be having max stacks on both striker and oblit 💔

[kindred mango]

Switch to challenging difficulty again. It’ll feel better

For CD

[thick meteor]

Okay, so uh... I can't really find the problem here, it could be the exotic? Usually people use memento and Overdogs, but exodus is good

[fickle sparrow]

hi...how can i improve my m1a tinkerer build which iv built without advice...im going flatline and streamline on weapons with tinker mask 2 pc breaking point...closer chest piece...ceska pack with vigilance and foxes prayer ....rolling everything into crit chance and crit damage....it feels good im just wondering what the meta build is

[tall jackal]

I'm better with pictures

[fickle sparrow]

its on ps5 and im on pc now lol

[tall jackal]

ah lol

[fickle sparrow]

@tall jackal

[thick meteor]

Okay, so honestly it could just be a feel problem, you feel like you arent killing fast enough even though you are

[short verge]

im looking to push my diamondback crit damage as far as i can as my next goal, what combination of stats and gear pieces could i use to better squeeze out more damage

[thick meteor]

Could we see stats?

[fickle sparrow]

@thick meteor

[livid sorrel]

first thing i'd do is get chainkiller chest and the gift backpack

[thick meteor]

Hm...

[livid sorrel]

if you don't mind dropping tinkerer use overdogs

[tall jackal]

Pretty sure hes going with Damage not HSD Build

[fickle sparrow]

iv got chainkiller and the gift on 1886 build im not looking to use determined as my 1886 hits 60mill and im happy with it just playing around with the m1a

[grand girder]

even backfire takes a little bit to kill them in heroic cd, its a 8 man scaled fight it isn't supposed to be easy

[fickle sparrow]

and yeh from the quick google i did it seems the best thing was to roll crit damage/chance and not headshot so i went that way

[thick meteor]

CD heroic is harder than any other normal heroic gamemode right?

[grand girder]

well at the moment yes but when escalation comes out no

[livid sorrel]

i've never seen a crit rifle build that isn't diamondback

[fickle sparrow]

iv i drop tinker i lose 42% damage off streamline...is that worth it when overdogs isnt always in play but streamline almost always is...only my reviver will stop it when i go down

[grand girder]

I had one that was using full HE and laserpointer for amp damage, had a unicorn or two but slapped pretty hard

[meager mesa]

yeah this could be the case, idk what was up with my teammates earlier though i think one of them used an evil ass debuff or something that made enemies take like 4x damage

crits went from 560k to 2m

[fickle sparrow]

actually u guys prob correct il go overdogs cause i like to pulse when doin bounties and shield other times and it ll knock my streamline off...cheers

[grand girder]

sounds like it was a countdown countermeasure

probably close range buff, would've done the majority but also team buffs definitely played a part

[neon gorge]

is strega any good? that mag size is dissuading me a lot but wanted to ask

[cloud sorrel]

560k crits whith striker and st elmo's feels really weak tho

[tall jackal]

I mean if you can keep the stacks I believe at 3 and above on enemies then yes. But for pure DPS no. Also make sure you have good CHC since Strega doesn't come with much.

[neon gorge]

maybe ı'll try a build for it some other day thanks

[grand girder]

#td2-build-advice message

hes level 50 its to be expected

[cloud sorrel]

oh, no watch stats, so yeah

[meager mesa]

doesn't watch not give that much anyway

[cloud sorrel]

20% CHD, 10% WD, 10% CHC and 20% HSD

this is still good to have

[meager mesa]

would love to get shd 1000 but unfortunately i can't spend 20 hours a day on the game 💔

[cloud sorrel]

with perfect rolls on a red striker and a watch maxed out i'm at 55% CHC and 132% CHD with the st elmo

you don't need to spend 20 hours a day x)

[lament reef]

wait for a 5x xp event and spend 4 hours a day

[lament reef]

it is extremely difficult to get close to 60% chc without the free 10% from the watch, it is a pretty big benefit

everything else is pretty marginal

[meager mesa]

i'm at like 55% but my cd is only at like 85% rip

[cloud sorrel]

and what's the third attribute on your st elmo

[meager mesa]

dmg to enemies not in cover

[cloud sorrel]

ok, good

[meager mesa]

it dropped at 10% the world is healing ❤️

[cloud sorrel]

so you just need to optimized your items now tbf

and get rid of your gloves if i'm being honest

go for a coyote while trying to get overdogs

[meager mesa]

they keep me alive so

[cloud sorrel]

they shouldn't, either your placement is wrong or you're rushing in too much, in that case alot of ppl don't like what imabout to say, but try using 3 blue cores

with a shield

[meager mesa]

i would never shield

just out of personal preference

[cloud sorrel]

so don't play striker then ngl x)

or at least don't play it with an ar, use an lmg maybe and either a decoy or banshee pulse

[meager mesa]

i don't really mind the gloves

[neon gorge]

when using OD, are there exotic weapons competitive with sadist HEs?

[cloud sorrel]

you can't complain about your dps being low then :/

[flint arch]

none in terms of damage, but you can use iron lung or bluescreen for utility

[cloud sorrel]

you're not using a coyote, or overdogs, so you're losing alot of dps ngl

[neon gorge]

iron lung for bleed + burn with vile?

[flint arch]

you are not running status effects with OD

bleed is useless with OD, the only purpose of bleed is to proc hollow-point ammo generation and the damage buff

you run it like a crit DPS, no status effects

[neon gorge]

oh burning enemies don't shoot is that the utility of iron lung?

[flint arch]

that's it

[meager mesa]

time to spend another 300 hours in countdown praying for exotic gloves ig

[flint arch]

Ongoing Directive guide

[neon gorge]

ok ok didn't occur to me to use the burn for cc

[flint arch]

iron lung is really good in DPS builds for that CC, its a real lifesaver at times

at least until they release prototypes and powercreep all exotics in the game

[lament reef]

powercreep in a vacuum sure

you have to actually get the drops which is not happening yet

[flint arch]

im aware
also they might even just completely change the prototype system or something

[lament reef]

as much as i love iron lung, you should only need one status proc to make the build start working and then the hp bullets start self sustaining

like banshee pulse, emp sticky, or foam launcher

no sadist is a pretty huge damage loss

[patent fossil]

Emp sticky is my favourite for getting OD started because it works against everything and is extra helpful against robotics which you're weaker against generally (can't bleed them). Plus a fast cooldown, easy aim and stagger

[remote mural]

Yo tryna optimize a build how do I get tactical assesments for cleaners

[woven ruin]

retaliation or optimization cache that where i get them or you can craft it

[bold forum]

for a build classic run and shoot without relying on stack and good dps , what your recommandation ?

[pallid siren]

did d2 have an update or why is it installing again on my pc?

[coral reef]

Hear me out: this, but with the upcoming Investor exotic mask, all yellow cores!

• 15% Skill Efficiency on 3 Yellow Minor Attributes (5% per Minor Attribute).

Right? @smoky latch @subtle bluff

[smoky latch]

You'll likely never get such a roll lol

[lament reef]

ongoing directive is pretty free to maintain
get bleed bullets > maintain bleed bullets > win

and it’s rather competitive with builds that use stacks if you can one mag kill

[bold forum]

because even with a coyote / elmo striker build , feel like i dont have lot of damage

i'm still early for shd level etc , but the build got all the passive / stats etc

[junior lagoon]

what weapon is this?

[bold forum]

strega

[ripe ruin]

whats the best cc for most high end group stuff like legendary strongholds, master, etc? foam eclipse?

[buoyant perch]

Foam eclipse. If really good group, foam FI.

[serene flare]

Is Hunter's Fury worth running for the 4pc set, or would I get more damage from swapping to two high ends and my Exotic?

[junior lagoon]

nice

[ashen wasp]

got a strike and hotshot pretty maxed, next one would be a tipping scales?

[smoky latch]

Depends on what you're looking for. TS is solid

[onyx sage]

hunter's fury 4p is really strong yes

[ashen wasp]

alr like lmgs so look good

[junior lagoon]

is heartbreaker bugged or not? i have seen some people claim stacks are not happening and other saying it works as intended

[smoky latch]

I was told the LLP is acting funky since the devs made changes to it. But I don't use that set and don't have all the info

[solar sable]

the only way to stack HB is with ACS afaik since it's a bug

[fossil crag]

i have 3 pve agents with 4 on these builds LOL
My fav, withch Ima snag the pack and chest and out on my main is my HSD with 2 status eff rolls 1.3sec extra on my foam

[warped crypt]

For legendary/master solo, which exotic would help more? Catharsis or overdogs?

[flint arch]

If you want to solo it in a reasonable amount of time, you go full red w/ Overdogs, but it's going to be a very difficult fight

If you don't care and you just want to solo it at any cost, Memento with some blue cores

Btw if you're trying to do legendary solo I recommend watching Toastey's guides on youtube on how to do so

[junior lagoon]

i searched around and the solution is unequip and equip the gear 🙂

[dense dock]

What build would you recommend for a guy who only wants to use Big Al? I basically do all the thinking for my friend and I and don't want to steer him wrong. So far, I believe he's going Tipping Scales. (I don't believe we're ever gonna bother doing raids or legendary content)

[junior lagoon]

i was using a build with tipping scales and sawyer's kneepads

with mixed results

the issue is in most content not moving is a huge problem

[solar sable]

@dense dock ^ this or Strikers

[dense dock]

I personally just found this Ongoing Directive Bluescreen build that looks stupid fun, I just want to give him something easy to build haha

[junior lagoon]

oh Big Al is Iron Lung?

[lament reef]

no those are different guns

[dawn perch]

Quick question here: what you guys use more often in your red builds? Exodus gloves or overdogs? Also why?

[solar sable]

the latter

[lament reef]

overdogs up top

[fossil crag]

This is my fav one, yellow atts.

So im thinking of taking them 2 yellow rolled peaces and brin them to my main and make 30 LOL

[solar sable]

bc you get a 30% amp dmg to enemies within the lowest Tier hierarchy which is a better Coyote's if you ask me

[junior lagoon]

well the issue with Alejandro is you can't stay in cover. so not sure how the build above helps with that? you will die instantly

[lament reef]

“cover” can take many forms

if you are blocking LOS by just strafing from a wall, that’s not “being in cover” but you still won’t get shot

also, going all red means you can magdump them in the head to get a stagger and then they die

[flint arch]

neither, PVGC Striker is love, PVGC Striker is life

[dense dock]

Okay, so the OD Bluescreen build I'm following, the guy uses a yellow backpack with Wicked instead of the gearpiece backpack. Does Wicked out preform the bonus hollow point damage? (If I have my thoughts right and it does what I think lol)

[lament reef]

man don’t tell the new player to use PVGC lmao

[dawn perch]

You have supreme confidence in your ability not to get damaged at all +_+

[flint arch]

idc I must spread the word

[dense dock]

What makes it harder to play?

[lament reef]

yeah wicked is way better

bleed damage is worthless, the only thing you care about is the chest amp

[dense dock]

Got it, thanks man!

[onyx sage]

both vigilance and glass cannon require very careful play to not get hit

[flint arch]

PGC makes you take 60% more damage. Vigilance means taking damage severely hampers your damage output for 4 (3) seconds

[dense dock]

This is what I'm currently following

[lament reef]

looks nice

[dense dock]

omg I remember being a glass cannon player like 7 years ago that's too funny

[junior lagoon]

alejandro+glass cannon = death

[dawn perch]

Decoy make help with it but i think i would be screwed using that build as i do not play very aggressively

[smoky latch]

Is not bad but get a Ceska backpack, the CHC will serve this build better

[flint arch]

you need to be very familiar with how to position and corner peek before you can use it effectively

[dense dock]

So this backpack gives bonus LMG dmg, what does Ceska do?

also thank you 🙂

[smoky latch]

Adds important critical hit chance to it

You will get more than enough weapon damage from this set, what you need now are crits. Especially CHC will help with this build

[dense dock]

got it, makes sense - thank god you guys are so helpful haha

[dawn perch]

Wait. You may want to use red cores there i see the two blue corrs. However, i am going ask what content you are running

[lament reef]

hmm
why do i see youtube captions at the bottom of that image…

[dense dock]

oh it's just from the video I'm following

[flint arch]

okay, so YouTube is a bad guide for builds

[solar sable]

#1 Tip. Stay away from YT Division.

[dense dock]

Most likely not legendary

[flint arch]

tbf the one shown isn't the worst one of the lot but still avoid it if possible

now if you're following a NBB build never talk to me again

[solar sable]

get a load of this guy /j

[smoky latch]

The one above is pretty good for YT tho

[dense dock]

haha that's totally fair, I've found a few cool guys that seem to know what they're doing but I honestly have no clue. I know iKia is super smart? This one was FRANK

[flint arch]

@smoky latch lol

[smoky latch]

Rare find, mark it with an X in your calendar lol

[flint arch]

iKia is really good, he's like one of the very few exceptions

[lament reef]

yeah this is actually pretty inoffensive as far as youtube goes

sometimes people come in here with like blue strikers and get all upset that people want them to change it back

[dawn perch]

Its just that 2 blue core will barely make difference in suriviablity compare to going full blue. Most the content will not need either at the moment. Red core will just make things dead faster.

[dense dock]

I like the guy who has the yellow sweater + skullmask, Kamikaze maybe? I can't remember lmao

[dense dock]

Got it

[flint arch]

especially if you're not using a shield with blue cores, something LMGs don't let you

[dawn perch]

I mostly homebrew at this point as i have adapt a build to my funky playstyke.

[leaden wraith]

Can I use these instead of overdogs they have the same talent

[smoky latch]

Nope lol

[flint arch]

they're bugged, don't rely on them

[dense dock]

Dang, wrong answer? Any recommendations?

[smoky latch]

iKia, his build collection

Or the community spreadsheet which you can find in this channel, first pin

[dawn perch]

Those crusader shield break so quickly on high end difficulity a lot 0_0.

[onyx sage]

who wrote this?

[dense dock]

I was actually gonna ask about the spreadsheet. Are the builds updated? I noticed some say S6 or S7?

[solar sable]

some guy called Doomz or some shit

[onyx sage]

🤔

[subtle bluff]

His IKia recommended build good.
His build collection is good but a lot of can be confusing.

[smoky latch]

Yeah not all of them. iKia's should be a little more updated from what I could see

[dawn perch]

Never tested it. More likely to get you kill though.

[smoky latch]

But they slightly outdated ones are still valid however

[solar sable]

sir, if you ask me, I don't know him

[onyx sage]

i don't know myself either

[subtle bluff]

A lot is updated some are left over from the OG that made it.

[flint arch]

hi i watched your solo leggo manning national slog speedrun

sorry for screwing up enemy spawns

[junior lagoon]

as the diffciulty goes up enemy damage scaling completely outpaces shiled and armore scaling

[onyx sage]

did u remember to dislike

[flint arch]

I will never remember to do that

[smoky latch]

That feature should make a return on YT

[junior lagoon]

it is there. you need a plugin

[smoky latch]

What?

[junior lagoon]

youtube dislikes

[shrewd stump]

Is patriot set a viable build for high level content?

[smoky latch]

I don't know how many times I've clicked thumbs down to no effect :p Wdym, plugin?

[subtle bluff]

I have them.

[dense dock]

Well I've learned a lot, yall are so helpful lol

[junior lagoon]

you can see the number of dislike on youtube

[onyx sage]

not really

[smoky latch]

I'm confused rn

[lament reef]

true patriot might be the single worst gearset

[onyx sage]

you can press dislike and it will register, it just doesn't display the current number of dislikes. there is an unofficial plugin/extension for either browsers or android youtube app to force display the number

[shrewd stump]

It looks fun to use

[flint arch]

i made a full red true patriot build once, immediately trashed it

[dawn perch]

Has anyone found use cases for measured and concretrated company gear sets?

[smoky latch]

I see, will look into it

[flint arch]

CoCo is basically like TS when compared with Striker, Final Measur- sorry, Measured Assembly is very niche

[shrewd stump]

I’m running big ale with tipping scale or bluescreen with ongoing directive or breaker set, looking for other fun but strong sets

[dawn perch]

How do they compared with each other? Also rip measured assembly.

[lament reef]

concentrated company stacks affect pestilence ticks, so it’s pretty nice for that

[flint arch]

CoCo has a lower damage ceiling than Striker and is more annoying to stack when solo, but by no means is it not a solid and competent option even at high difficulties

[smoky latch]

CoCo Backfire fully stacked is nice too

[subtle bluff]

It's funny coco is rather comparable to striker for dps when fully stacked.
It's just how stacking work is the thing.

[smoky latch]

Ye

[lament reef]

it’s super cozy in groups
tag the guy everyone else is shooting at and you hit max stacks before clearing the first encounter

[dense dock]

Should I not bother with the BlueScreen at all for that OD build then?

[vernal wing]

Exuro exists 🤐

[smoky latch]

Keep it as seconday, I use a HE LMG with Sadist as primary for instance, then BS as alternative

[cerulean smelt]

good point 😹

[dawn perch]

The forbidden set

[lament reef]

bluescreen is a very good lmg, purely from stats, and has bonus utility
it will work fine for you

the tinkerer OD build will outperform it but that’s behind a master manhunt

[vernal wing]

That set is so bad most people haven’t heard of it or don’t know what it does.

[lament reef]

doing a control point in a zone where exuro is the target drop and looking at your inventory like “ew i stepped in dog crap”

[dense dock]

oh I was actually gonna ask about that. Now that I read the iKia build with Tinkerer - does that mean that the tinkerer mask is locked behind that content?
So basically I should stick to Bluescreen and Overdogs till Tinkerer is achievable

[flint arch]

I know it very well for watching hunters hack the turret during countdown, followed by 4 agents being 360 noscoped by tier 6 fire

[junior lagoon]

You can matchmake for it

Just watch a video before you do that. Last boss is tough

Assault should help immensely

[lament reef]

yeah if you are gonna do it, do it now while we have a global event up

[dense dock]

I love the weekly events, so cool. Assault is next week right?

just had my first one, being ambush and didn't realize what the bonus was till yesterday lol

[smoky latch]

Assault is live. That'll be the end of it

[next dawn]

Started today

[dawn perch]

Does anyone here have mantis build i need theorycraft something on to it.

[solar sable]

🌭

[dense dock]

ooooh got it, darn, definitely won't be able to get it then even with the event haha. My build is mediocre at best and still haven't been New York DLC yet lol

[smoky latch]

Search for "Hotdog" in this channel

[dawn perch]

What the heck

[smoky latch]

Just do it

But a 4pcs HotShot works too ofc

[next dawn]

Ah yes

[smoky latch]

I added some mustard to my hotdog

[lament reef]

you can do the manhunts whenever you like, playing new york would just give you lore knowledge

[dawn perch]

Okay i wanted to look plain hotdog so then i could cook some very very odd looking

[flint arch]

unicorn blood 🦄

[smoky latch]

No, I'd rather have it with double crits and GC...

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

That's the "plain" HotDog

[flint arch]

I prefer my hotdogs broken

[junior lagoon]

that palisade? what talent

[flint arch]

headhunter

[smoky latch]

"boom, headshot" talent

[junior lagoon]

wow

[dawn perch]

Hmmmm.....

[flint arch]

miss a headshot though and it's time to die, especially if you're using HHF

[dense dock]

How good is the decoy?

[flint arch]

best skill for solo DPS users 100000%

also works well in groups

[dawn perch]

Yes

[dense dock]

I usually play solo or with 1 other guy so I imagine it'll be pretty good then lmao

I actually prefer full groups though, just the matchmaking doesn't seem great or maybe people aren't searchign for my difficulty

[dawn perch]

Also what is the difference between t5 clone vs t6?

[smoky latch]

Clone?

[flint arch]

it takes some time to learn and get used to how it draws aggro, but once you do you can do really silly stuff with it or get out of a sticky situation

[dawn perch]

Decoy

[flint arch]

like for example you can run towards a group of enemies and throw your decoy down, the enemies will hard focus on the decoy first so you can shoot the enemies in the back of the head

[smoky latch]

Proximity plays a role for aggro

Amongst other things

[flint arch]

needless to say decoy cured my revive hive dependence

[dense dock]

was literally just about to ask what you guys prefer. I've been using Fixer + Reviver since I started playing last week

[smoky latch]

Increased duration and maybe additional aggro drawing? Not sure rn

[mint axle]

I've seen better decoys on other sci-fi games but it works.

[dense dock]

The wiki says Health + Duration

[flint arch]

crusader shield is better than fixer drone imo

[smoky latch]

Yeah then the aggro factor only gets increased with additional expertise

[junior lagoon]

little difference between challenging and below so i recommend at least go challening/

[subtle bluff]

Exo gloves + decoy
Shadow clone Jutsu!!

[flint arch]

at skill tier 0, the shield is incredibly weak, but you don't use it to facetank, you use it for additional breathing room

you pop it out in short bursts, and then slither back into cover when you notice you're getting shot at a lot

[dense dock]

how does it work? I never touched the shield, even when I played at launch cause it seemed like really bad haha

[dense dock]

I imagine everyone is on Heroic right?

[junior lagoon]

heroic and legendary. you will find groups very quikjcly

[smoky latch]

I got massively downvoted on reddit once when I mentioned that someone uses their T0 shield wrong with a DPS build when they complained that it breaks too fast. I'll never forget

[flint arch]

bruh

for good measure im going to link my glass cannon guide here. hopefully iKia doesn't yell at me this time

[subtle bluff]

It's a buffer to a one shot if nothing.
It will save you but will not just eat all the shots for you.

[dense dock]

So Crusader... you use it and it regens your armour?

[flint arch]

no

[smoky latch]

There seems to be a decent amount of people with different expectations but no game experience who think otherwise :p

[flint arch]

treat it more like a small amount of bonus armor that you can activate and deactivate at will

it's not going to help you at all if you're getting blasted in the face, but it will protect you from maybe 10 or so bullets

[junior lagoon]

this is a great read

[flint arch]

which can mean the difference between keeping all of your actual armor and getting health gated

[onyx sage]

and when it breaks you get disoriented no matter what, it's a serious handicap to let your shield break

that's why you have to be careful even when using it

[flint arch]

I should add that to the guide too brb

[onyx sage]

if you're good enough, shield is a nuisance

[junior lagoon]

but some of us are not

[dawn perch]

Hmmm, not sure how well decoy will stack cloak though...

[junior lagoon]

so i have a few shiled builds 🙂

[dense dock]

Reading this now 🙂

[junior lagoon]

i dont think people ever get happy using shield. it is just a mental support

[onyx sage]

i know, I'm mostly trying to say it can be counterproductive, cuz naturally you would use the shield and tank with it right

[lament reef]

main utility of shield is that it can take damage and not deactivate (perfect) vigilance

[onyx sage]

but then when you try to and it breaks it feels bad

[junior lagoon]

yes, foundry bulwark ftw

also sometimes i try to get in cover with shield

[onyx sage]

me when i see someone use shield and smart cover together

[flint arch]

I should probably massively reword the opening section of my guide someday, solo heroic is not the greatest way to reveal why blue cores are kinda bad

[dense dock]

Wow that guide is great. I just learned so much lmao - here I thought blues were actually worth a damn

[mint axle]

ru would agree

[junior lagoon]

@flint arch i am waiting for your pfe guide now

[onyx sage]

i think you can use solo heroic tidal basin for that rather than solo heroic in general

[flint arch]

Okay, I probably have to reword it someday, but to be clear, running blue cores is not a sin, you can do it if you're solo and you want some help with learning how to position well

But if you only facetank with a shield, you won't learn anything, and running blue cores on the highest difficulties will hamper you more than it will help you

[onyx sage]

the key here is that you're not forced to run blue cores for anything but very few encounters in the game (mostly IH final fight)

it's not to say that you're forced to run reds either

[dense dock]

IH = Iron Horse I assume?

[onyx sage]

yes

and even then that's only when you run the 2 tank roles in there (key tank and stagger tank)

[dense dock]

How are raids in this game anyway? I used to be a big Destiny player back in the day but that's really my only experience with Raids

[flint arch]

unlike Destiny raids (or so I've heard), Div 2 raids are not Sisyphus Simulator™

[onyx sage]

i went off on bro yesterday

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna do that later..

[flint arch]

Dark Hours is very easy and pretty light on mechanics

[dense dock]

D1 raids were so fun, D2 raids are miserable and why I quit lmfao

[flint arch]

Iron Horse is more mechanic heavy, but I managed to get through it fine even though it took an hour

[onyx sage]

nah it's rather hard to remember all the spawns and count kills to stagger the spawns out

i don't blame you at all for not knowing the strat there

@copper kayak he was blocking my shots and fire nading spawn doors when i told him not to

[flint arch]

I should've known the strat actually, the video you showed me for C2C also showed enemy spawns in the aviary

[onyx sage]

oop wrong chow but you know

[flint arch]

All I will say is that I will never do Manning National Slog ever again and if you force me to do it I'll quit the game if prototypes didn't do it for me

[onyx sage]

so you're saying you'll quit if i force you?

[flint arch]

no

[onyx sage]

dammit

[flint arch]

how difficult is solo tidal basin on Heroic anyway I haven't done it solo in like months

I remember doing it a few times before though

[onyx sage]

it's harder than most of the main heroic missions, acts as a good filter

[dense dock]

how big of a difference is Heroic from Challenging?

[flint arch]

interesting

[solar sable]

countdown or in general?

[flint arch]

yeah I recall that mission being more annoying than most, except for the goddamned zoo

[dense dock]

just in general. I haven't touched any extra gamemodes or anything yet

[solar sable]

very big in a beginner's POV
more Elites and Named enemies, more dmg, more health and more waves of enemies

[flint arch]

more named enemies in heroic? I thought they were fixed in missions

oh wait there's control points

[solar sable]

e.g cont- ye lol

[fossil crag]

We know why it went away LOL to think a dislike on a vid would make you spiral so hard you have a meltdown.

[flint arch]

the most annoying part of heroic is that there is only 1 checkpoint in all missions (sans some minor exceptions), and that is before the final room

[smoky latch]

Yeah, fugg censorship :p

[flint arch]

once you get used to heroic you will never even want to touch challenging ever again

and you'll long for the day someone can teach you how to do legendary

[onyx sage]

i wish someone taught me

[flint arch]

me too

[onyx sage]

no really cuz no one taught me back then, i threw myself into it

[fossil crag]

F that noise LOL Im lazy farmer LOL

[flint arch]

were there no toastey videos

[onyx sage]

nope

[flint arch]

damn

[onyx sage]

i was doing it before toastey started that series

[flint arch]

I guess us new players have it good until prototype ruined everything for everyone

[smoky latch]

self-made

[onyx sage]

hot take but i think prototype still won't save the most careless players in legendary

[flint arch]

the American Dream after the Green Poison

[flint arch]

I tried using full prototype PVGC Striker in DUA, it felt like when I solo'd it with redline + ambush

It was considerably easier, but by no means is it easy

Enemies die a lot faster, but you're still as squishy even with the extra armor core from expertise

[onyx sage]

don't underestimate the average redditor, i'm gonna call it we'll see some post like "I had full Prototype gear and still got melted in Legendary"

[smoky latch]

Oh for sure

[flint arch]

coming in with hot takes like "they need to buff prototype gear more"

[willow sigil]

how many more points do we get from heroic cd compared to challenging?

[flint arch]

I think its about 2x, but the chance of failure is significantly higher so it's not really worth it

[willow sigil]

would be 4x then for these next couple of days

thats huge

[onyx sage]

iirc someone said like you need 3 challenging CDs to buy 2 exo caches, whereas 1 heroic CD is enough for 1 exo cache

idk i haven't played CD for 50 years now

[flint arch]

I think it's like 2-3 runs sometimes

[willow sigil]

what else to do if not cd and retals?

[smoky latch]

I barely play it these days. Ran it enough when it came out

[onyx sage]

i personally do retals and priority objectives nowadays

[willow sigil]

you just cycle prios over and over?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[smoky latch]

Good ways to farm exo components

[onyx sage]

if i run out of good prios i go on other characters

[flint arch]

gonna post this here

you don't need to post that twice

[smoky latch]

How is this relvant to builds?

[surreal depot]

I'm sorry

[mint axle]

the heli going super speed at 0:50 tho

[flint arch]

[onyx sage]

holy shit 1mil crit at 0 stack

[flint arch]

yes

[onyx sage]

yeah i think we're cooked

[flint arch]

the fact I can probably solo leggo DUA during the PTS if I cared enough is proof we're cooked

[smoky latch]

lol

[flint arch]

as a member with a superman pfp once said, and to paraphrase, 4 people with full prototype gear would turn legendary into casual heroic

there would definitely be caveats, but holy shit would it make it way easier

[solar sable]

you have game in an asian language, sir is goated by nature

[flint arch]

fun fact: im Chinese but I failed Chinese at school

[solar sable]

unaverage asian

[flint arch]

my first language is English lmao, my Chinese is like barely conversational at best

usually its the other way around

I play Div 2 in Chinese mostly because I find it funny the game was properly translated to Chinese

[cerulean smelt]

you play the Division 2 chinese servers too?

[flint arch]

no

[cerulean smelt]

would you?

[smoky latch]

That requires a different version, no?

[flint arch]

it would yes

and I would need a Chinese phone number presumably, something you can't easily get your hands on unless you have contacts within the firewall

[cerulean smelt]

<-tried to follow a guide for it but got lost and gave up 😹

[willow sigil]

you can read but not speak?

[flint arch]

actually that description is not the most accurate but to reveal more would be too much info so I'll leave it at that