td2-build-advice

[silver coral]

ok tnx

[cerulean smelt]

the perfect is Providence Brandset, but any backpack with vigilience works as well since it's only 1 second cool down difference between perfect and normal

[silver coral]

whats a good atrribute for iron lung?

[solar sable]

LMGs always need CHC

[cerulean smelt]

where as all the other weapons need Damage to Targets out of cover (DTOC) but lmgs has this for it's second attribute tied to it so 3rd is as doomz says crit chance

[solar sable]

guys, rate my build

[smoky latch]

Chef's kiss

[hazy steeple]

no appearance mod on the hive/shield, 0.10.

[shy willow]

No Lexington, 0/10

Any other weapon is completely unusable and I don't know how you cope

[flint arch]

I hate you, sir

[smoky latch]

She's a wild one.

Gotta try Escalation next. I don't notice the Ragers directive and whatever the funny new modifiers do

[flint arch]

Wait, Ragers is back in the new season?

I can't wait to experience my free 25% XP bonus and pseudo-pulse

[smoky latch]

Well it's in right now, I hope it'll be active next season

[cerulean smelt]

think @smoky latch is talking about these

[smoky latch]

Yeah it'll take me another week to get used to new symbols

[cerulean smelt]

probably several months for me honestly
good news though. the black tusk kill squad can spawn in True Sons Retaliations at least

[smoky latch]

I might have played it down to a week :p Prob takes me longer

Yeah they have a small chance apparently to spawn in any

[silver coral]

is improvise gear better?

[cerulean smelt]

nah, it'd only be used to add mods to the holster/knees/gloves for like Haz pro or maybe protection from elites

[silver coral]

cause i dont see any improvise gear on the build spreadsheets

[flint arch]

you lose the brand set, and brand sets sometimes offer better stats or stats that you can't get anywhere else

[hazy steeple]

IIRC it's used in a Protection from Elites build, but that's about it.

[flint arch]

for example Unit Alloys gives you rate of fire, you can't get RoF from any attribute or mod on your armor

And also all specific weapon damage stats

And a bunch more, but that's the gist of it

[silver coral]

ic ic so its mostly for prot from elites

[flint arch]

Usually it's never worth it to run improv pieces

[silver coral]

prob on legendary if not really skilled

[flint arch]

if you're on legendary PFE won't help you much

[hazy steeple]

A bandaid build won't save you in legendary, I'll be honest.

It's not an easy difficulty.

[flint arch]

legendary requires a combination of build, skill and knowledge

you need to do good damage, you need to learn how to position, corner peek and prioritize enemies, and you need to know enemy spawns and good cover spots

[silver coral]

and 1k shade level right?

[flint arch]

no

[solar sable]

watch bonuses help a lot but are not a requirement

[flint arch]

people at SHD 50000 can do horribly

[solar sable]

they often run Tank

[cerulean smelt]

1k shd helps but it's not needed for the most part

[flint arch]

[silver coral]

noted

[flint arch]

tanks are basically useless in legendary unless you're one of two people

they don't really provide good utility, they can't really draw aggro, and if they try to facetank they will still die

that's why tanks are frowned upon in leggo, people much prefer eclipse foam users for CC as support

[fair dragon]

it depends. For PFE to be viable you need Elites. The only time that happens is in the final area of Tidal Basin

[fleet gulch]

For skill damage builds, how big a difference does it make choosing between Harmony and Surge?

[subtle bluff]

Surge?

[hoary atlas]

Any though should need to change for One shot sniper ?

[subtle bluff]

Ya drop NBB.

There actually no reason you should have it on.

[fleet gulch]

Named rifle that says headshots give 25% skill damage for 15 seconds.

[hoary atlas]

NBB ?

[solar sable]

ninjabike

[subtle bluff]

Oh right...
Have you read how in-sync works?

[smoky latch]

Ninjabike Messenger Backpack

[fleet gulch]

Yes.

[subtle bluff]

What's easier to do?

[solar sable]

drop Ninjabike and turmoil. Use Hotshot knees and Overdogs or 4pc Hotshot

[twilit geyser]

What is the best overall regulus build for damage pvp and pve?

[subtle bluff]

But then again your context of you're build for what skills your using matter too.

[hoary atlas]

What should replace with NBB ?

[twilit geyser]

Atleast to consistently one shot as best as I can

[subtle bluff]

PvE and PvP are very different.

[solar sable]

pvp and pve builds are totally different one from the other

[solar sable]

Airaldi w/Vigilance

[twilit geyser]

Specifically PvP if you guys don’t mind then

[subtle bluff]

For #td2-pvp-discussions they may take a while to get back to you.

[fleet gulch]

In terms of extra skill damage uptime, 15 seconds from headshots seems way easier to keep up to me than 5 seconds from in-sync.

[hoary atlas]

Ok.....well because there Chainkiller chest

Also Turmoil Kneepads

[solar sable]

wdym by that?

[hoary atlas]

@solar sable

[subtle bluff]

I mean... It depends on the build. In-sync does give more generally skill dependent...
really in the capacitor does more than both.

[solar sable]

I know what your build is and I told you what to change

[subtle bluff]

Doomz I got you where my NBB video

[hoary atlas]

One Shot Sniper

[solar sable]

I know what the build is. What is your point? You asked for advice and it was given

[hoary atlas]

The point is "is there anything should to change or just keep it"

[subtle bluff]

We know the build VERY well. We no the in's and out's of it and it's limits.

[fleet gulch]

How about this, would you say Surge is better than a normal Resolute Mk47 with regular in-sync generally speaking?

[solar sable]

I already said what to change...

[subtle bluff]

How well do you think you're always gonna hit the head?

BUt then if you can just do HSD builds if you're that good.

[hoary atlas]

Should Change Backpack with hotshot or keep NBB ?

[fleet gulch]

Do headshots only count flesh, or can helmet hits count?

[solar sable]

...

[subtle bluff]

Helmets armor plate things do not have heads.

[subtle bluff]

Watch the clip....

[hoary atlas]

Well blyat, gonna change it /facepalm

[subtle bluff]

Thinking you're still mising out in-sync gives more skill dmg and wd dmg at the same time...

[subtle bluff]

To your other question that you haven't asked well 4pcs hotshot how often are you proc'ing that talent?

[hoary atlas]

Maybe the backpacks one for Hotshot

Because have Lucky talent

[solar sable]

do you simply not read what I'm typing?

[hoary atlas]

I see

[subtle bluff]

either of us..

but also what does lucky talent do here? Do you use that MMR's at the same time?

[subtle bluff]

What lucky talent? 🧐

[hoary atlas]

Forgot need to change it

[subtle bluff]

lol what?

[hoary atlas]

That build use United Ironworks General anderson

The guy can't shot behind window

[subtle bluff]

You have me and other confused

[hoary atlas]

[subtle bluff]

It's a one shot build...with leggo 4man ads.. what will the build do...

[turbid lichen]

Anyone have any rough ideas what builds will be most useful for escalations / raids. Was thinking of pushing a healer or tank

[solar sable]

tank is never the answer

[subtle bluff]

we have no idea in general for next season.

if nothing changes builds will almost be more about RNG than the build.

[smoky latch]

Tier 6 escalation the NPCs do already so much damage

[turbid lichen]

I do have a striker build, I assume that will always be good but I was thinking gearing a healer for some flexability might be a good idea to push

[subtle bluff]

No pushing to eat bullets isn't the way

or funny enough not eating bullets because you won't have agro

[summer totem]

Is 4 pc hotshot with memento good for shroud, thinking of switching to sniper after experiencing 1 shotting heroic minions with it

[west shore]

Whats the best 1 shot rifle build these days?

[summer totem]

Im still thinking what chest piece to go with it but yeah

[subtle bluff]

it does work but starting off maybe hard with HH

[subtle bluff]

IMO HHF but really there isn't over "best" for rifles.
MMR's it's has been shown.

[subtle bluff]

Chainkiller

[tacit furnace]

quick question, but what will be a replacement piece for striker build if im using coyote mask? gloves or chest

[normal shadow]

Probably gloves since you're trying to go for Equalizer.

What specialization should I use with a Striker build? Either the Coyote or Overdogs version, using St. Elmo's.

Is Firewall the way to go for the Striker shield or should Gunner or maybe Survivalist be considered?

[livid sorrel]

Gunner for the armor on kill, fire rate on kill, fast reloads every 3rd reload

[normal shadow]

The striker shield isn't worth it?

[flint arch]

Your shield is going to be paper if you run 6 red cores (which you should)

The shield is only going to be good for giving you like 2 more seconds of warning to scurry back into cover

[normal shadow]

Mm, fair point. Gunner it is then.

[flint arch]

Striker shield will also only be more effective if you get close and personal with the enemy, which is something you definitely shouldn't do with a full red Striker build

[normal shadow]

So like a shotgun build or SMG?

[flint arch]

It's good for something like Hunter's Fury or specific applications like Incursion, but it's not really that great compared to a normal crusader shield everywhere else

[slate wedge]

Mantis HH until you can’t 1-shot anymore will be great with the infinite decoys

[normal shadow]

I've known all these things in the past but forgotten most of them during the time I've been gone.

[flint arch]

Hunter's Fury is the SMG and Shotgun build

[normal shadow]

Yeah I know I've got one I think.

I just haven't used it, Scales with Big Al and Striker are just better.

[slate wedge]

try Big Al with Centurion’s

[normal shadow]

How good is it?

[stone pumice]

How can I get more armor but keep my damage up ?

[short verge]

you can sacrifice one or two red cores with armor cores, and perhaps swap the backpack talent with something like clutch or adrenaline rush

[pearl marten]

is 50/104 Crit Ratio bad

[short verge]

my personal preference is to use the Bober named chest piece with its perfect entrence and also a backpack with clutch or devil's due, gives me just enough emergency breathing room if an enemy decides the best AI behavior is to face tank

[buoyant perch]

1:2 is good

[livid sorrel]

No such thing as getting more armor for free without trading damage. You can consider Memento for the bonus armor and/or changing some cores to blue

[summer totem]

Hh?

Nvm found it, what stats should i target for chainkiller

Head damage, CHD, or chc

[daring plaza]

should i put armor or damage

[flint arch]

damage

[daring plaza]

itll be a glass canon this is the rest of my build

[flint arch]

you are kinda supposed to be a glass cannon

[flint arch]

wait are you using 5pc striker???

you only use 4 pieces of a gear set

[daring plaza]

bro i can only go upto 780k damage and people be dealing 1mil + with this build

[daring plaza]

i know but i dont have that helmet nor chest plate

[flint arch]

do challenging countdown, target Unit Alloys

Detailed Striker guide

[daring plaza]

i tried couldnt find hwat was the name of that chedtplate

[flint arch]

Equalizer

[tepid pawn]

Yeah that couldn't find it

@flint arch I was about to deal this much damage with my build but now I can't do it anymore why's that

[flint arch]

Countdown countermeasures give you buffs

[flint arch]

Wdym you can't find it

It's in the general loot pool

[tepid pawn]

Yeah but I get the other unit alloy chest plates and not this

[flint arch]

You'll get it eventually if you keep farming for it

[tepid pawn]

The one on the top left?, in the next matched I enabled them all and still no 1 mil damage

[flint arch]

Random countermeasures are present for each Countdown run

It means you get different buffs for each run

[obsidian bronze]

Chat i have 2 chameleons which is better headshot dmg or chc?

[livid sorrel]

Dtooc

[obsidian bronze]

I havent got that yet ☹️

[livid sorrel]

For now i'd say chc if it doesn't overcap

[flint arch]

chameleon isn't a great AR but is a pretty good SMG

[obsidian bronze]

It doesnt

Should I recal it or just keep it with chc for now?

Keep in mind i have like 50 hours so far

[tepid pawn]

@flint arch wht gun to use with striker build

[livid sorrel]

you should hold off on that until you have loads of exotic components

[obsidian bronze]

I have 13 rn

[livid sorrel]

You'll need way more, could take you a hundred before getting a roll with dtooc

[obsidian bronze]

What if I get one but all 3 perks are really low?

[livid sorrel]

Can optimize, but that takes loads of resources too

[obsidian bronze]

Yea i saw at one point, and with how small it goes up i assume you want all 3 relatively high

[fleet gulch]

Late followup, but do you think even regular in-sync is better than perfect spike? I don't own Harmony yet unfortunately.

[frozen drum]

I just recently hit level 40 and am putting together a striker build, I see people using St. Elmos Engine, but I dont have that yet. What is another gun I can use in its place?

[bright raptor]

Any high end high rate of fire assault rifle, preferably the Police M4, P416 series, and the Honey Badger

[obsidian bronze]

Is it worth optimising this or trying to find one with higher base stats?

[livid sorrel]

Eyeballing it but that looks about 6 optimizations away from perfect

[obsidian bronze]

I think so

2, maybe 3 on the weapon dmg if the game is stinky

2 of chc and 2 maybe 3 on chd if game is stinky

Since for chd its going up by .3

And 1.3 for WD

[summer totem]

Headshot damage or CHD for chainkiller hotshot build

[dapper glacier]

is the strega AR good for a striker build?

[bright raptor]

always headshot damage, you will rarely get critical hits on a headshot build

[mental zealot]

Any recommendation on what gear set to run with pestilence? I don't know what gear set would be good with that

[unreal remnant]

Tipiping Scales or Strikers

I prefer Tipping

for pestilence

[mental zealot]

I see. I'll be farming tipping then

[obsidian lake]

yall hows my heartbreaker build looking?

[unreal remnant]

I am also working on an HB build. It clears control points in 5 minutes but I'm not happy with the DPS. Should I just stack headshot dmg?

[livid sorrel]

run technician spec and a high end ar with a long underbarrel rail for the pulse laser

[unreal remnant]

FYI thats a bugged blacklisters with overdogs talent

[livid sorrel]

technician spec high end gun with long underbarrel rail for pulse laser, get chc and chd minor attributes
why the one yellow on the chest

[unreal remnant]

Will try that but should I spec more into headshot though instead of crit?

[livid sorrel]

Crit

[unreal remnant]

waht talent do you recommend for the AR?

[livid sorrel]

flatline

[obsidian lake]

im doing the field research for tech rn

[pallid siren]

any good st elmo builds that do good dmg and are tanky? cuz rn im running strikers but even with striker chest i cant hit 1m crit dmg, maybe at max stacks

[cerulean smelt]

if you're doing heroic content with that chest on you're not going to get max stacks

[pallid siren]

i was doing leg arena thats why i use chest

[obsidian lake]

also whats a good build for shroud?

[cerulean smelt]

ok, nm. just threw out there in case you were doing heroic content

[pallid siren]

with equalizer it doesnt do much dmg, any fix?

[cerulean smelt]

i stay clear of legendaries. about only thing i can think of increasing your damage is an unpopular one which is Perfect Glass cannon for 30% damage or normal glass cannon for 25%

[pallid siren]

1% higher than equalizer, is active all the time but 50% more dmg to me is js insane, i die faster than the enemies

[cerulean smelt]

like i said. i steer clear of legendaries, so i don't have a clue what the optimal way to run them

[pallid siren]

not js for legendaries, for overall content

[olive cosmos]

Is EB a good exotic? Is it worth farming for

[pallid siren]

for some

[cerulean smelt]

you a pvper?

[solar sable]

If you already run full red on most content, you should try PGC and learn how to use it. You also have to keep in mind that you have to hit at least +20% more headshots for it to be worth it.

[olive cosmos]

No pve

[pallid siren]

its still meta in pvp? i remember one time when i was playing it was goated then noone used it

[pallid siren]

pgc?

[cerulean smelt]

i don't do pvp either but i imagine some still use it there. think currently it's umbra, Heartbreaker and some big horn crit armor regen build

[olive cosmos]

Everyone wants it because it's rare and for collection purposes but other than that I'm not seeing people use it for meta builds

[cerulean smelt]

way back when it was the meta build. before WONY release

[solar sable]

it's not good for pve builds

[solar sable]

Perfect Glass Cannon

[pallid siren]

i hated bighorn builds, never on xbox had good enough aim to hit heads and their movement was good

[pallid siren]

ok

[olive cosmos]

Are any of the raid weapons for that matter good for pve nowadays

[solar sable]

Regulus

[pallid siren]

reg

[cerulean smelt]

i stash my Eagler bearer, Ravenous, regulus and the Incrusion Ouroboros

[solar sable]

@obsidian lake ☝️

[cerulean smelt]

but that's just me 😹

[pallid siren]

with some builds ouro is good and for pvp i remember it being goated

[olive cosmos]

Regulus is the pistol right?

[pallid siren]

maybe

[olive cosmos]

oh

[solar sable]

ye

[cerulean smelt]

the one you do headshot kills it explodes the screen and bleeds others near it

[pallid siren]

yes

[solar sable]

it's a Police Magnum but yes

[olive cosmos]

That sounds pretty broken lol

[cerulean smelt]

there's a radius to it. like close range

[olive cosmos]

It does damage directly to the red health bar is that what bleed damage is in this game?

[edgy mirage]

is there any build for solo legendary?

[pallid siren]

you can try a all red build with improvised gear with protection from elites and catharsis, saw a guy running that and he was almost invincible

[junior lagoon]

PFE wont work in legendary in most part because not every enemy is elite. master missions are better places for PFE but you will lose huge damage even in a full red suit

[onyx sage]

there are many, your typical striker full red build works, but build isn't the only thing you need for it, requires good gameplay and good knowledge

[silent storm]

No, I want an autopilot build

[verbal blade]

can you post his build?

[pallid siren]

too late no ss and he left hours ago

[verbal blade]

shame

[solar sable]

no such thing as invincible exists in Div2

[upbeat whale]

is a basic striker build best for heroic countdown or is there something better ?

[cerulean smelt]

not many run heroic countdown to farm. one mentioned heroic countdown for a chance at getting maxed mods for gears and skills, but for farming it's just slower than running challenging

[buoyant perch]

Pfe is the closest thing to it if only elites are present. In a game of 5% here, 10% there, it's literally+400% Effective HP

[solar sable]

i hate you, Taro, you break my heart 😭

[upbeat whale]

doesnt really answer my question but still ty, is it the same for summit ?

[solar sable]

yes, either way Heroic Countdown is not worth the effort and time

[cerulean smelt]

heroic is slower at gaining loot as you gotta keep swapping your ascent/tactical challenges for more target loot drops

[signal vale]

whats concentrated ep build ?

[solar sable]

what

[cerulean smelt]

i feel retaliations is great at the target loot bit as you can solo it and get loot

[signal vale]

concentrated company im guessing eclipse proto ?

[solar sable]

yeah but why are you combining two gearsets in one build?

[cerulean smelt]

not even sure how you can have concentrated company with eclipse protocol in 1 build

[buoyant perch]

Ninjabike backpack

[cerulean smelt]

if you want to go that route to nerf yourself to get 3 of one gearset, 4 of another but no damage good for you i guess?

[solar sable]

what are you trying to build?

[cerulean smelt]

that is the question inquiring minds wants to know

i imagine some form of Iron Lung concentrated company stacks + eclipse protocol to spread the flame combo

[solar sable]

i like your thinking but i don't like the idea of going that route, you would be the perfect average player

ninjabike bag ftw baby

[rich lotus]

Honestly I run countdown majority of
My time as I’m always trying new builds and theory crafting. Usually including myself there’s at least 4 or 5 of us who know what we are doing. Always get the counter measures first then go for OBJ. Regardless of what build you have you can’t just run up to hunters like in the open world you will get melted. I personally run a strikers tank build with 2m armor , memento and smg. I can hold my own but it’s about teamwork. I also run Tipping scales LMG and can melt. It’s more about patience and team work then it is builds. I would do heavy research into as many builds possible and find one that suits your playstyle and use countdown as a tool to grind for the good rolled gear. If you want more of an endgame Pve with coordination you can run raids and incursions with a team or max difficulty summit. Countdown is only really used for gear farming and it is highly recommended to run challenging over heroic as the drop rates for both are so similar it’s not worth the extra hassle in heroic. I’ve ran 100 heroic and 100 challenging just as a test and although I have bad RNG I got 3 exotic drops from challenging and 1 from heroic. The only reason to run heroic over challenging is if you want that extra challenge but fun but It requires coordination 9/10 times any difficulty I play the newer players run straight to OBJ and don’t focus on countermeasures and also leave me and one or two other players playing doc at extraction because every one bum rushes the hunters during extraction. But you’ll also get veteran players and you can run countdowns on challenging like a breeze so even matchmaking is RNG lol. I say all that to say as long as you stay with your team and focus on countermeasures then OBJ the build won’t matter as most teams will at least have a few vet players who know what they are doing.

[solar sable]

MY GOD MY SCREEN WENT POP

[upbeat whale]

alright thank you for the time you needed to write all that

which difficulty is the go to one for summit ?

[solar sable]

as long as you can handle high difficulties

[upbeat whale]

so if possible legendary ?

[solar sable]

yup

[rich lotus]

Ofc ! Honestly it’s always recommended to play the highest possible difficulty with as many directives as you can handle depending on personal playstyle you could take twice as long to get through a legendary run vs challenging. I would say if you’re brand new or just starting to get your build together you can even start on hard, work your way up to challenging with directives then heroic then legendary. Always play on the highest difficulty you can without dying continuously and have as many directives as you feel comfortable for extra XP as you get more familiar and get some solid builds together you can work your way up to heroic. IMO I don’t even touch legendary content unless I’m in a group . I run challenging and heroic with directives and it’s perfectly fine as long as your playing the game it will throw loot and XP at you . The game has soo many different ways to farm for gear while having fun at the same time. So start off on challenging then work your way up.

[rich lotus]

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[visual silo]

any advice for improving this build? I've stacked as much crit damage as possible for what I have rn

[junior lagoon]

the guy comes to tidan basin legendary at 300 shd. 0 expertise Oxpecker

[mint axle]

Why not use negotiator chest?

[junior lagoon]

and then shd does not matter

[pallid siren]

which ones? i cant have 2 pieces bc i use blacklisters and strikers

also is blacklisters and overdogs the same?

[visual silo]

I wanted to try out Beacon, since I don't have that many exotics and Becon increases crit damage

[visual silo]

These plus Beacon are the only exotic armors I have atm

[cerulean smelt]

New bug. When it gets patched blacklisted won't have overdose talent

[pallid siren]

ah ok, is the blacklister talent ok? or is it shite?

[hazy steeple]

Using SHD as a meter for how good a player is, is a terrible idea and something you will eventually grow past as an Agent.

[rich lotus]

Some form of armor or survivability for end game content. lol

[mint axle]

It's basically, you mark a guy, you do 20% more damage to the guy but you also received 600% more damage from him.

[visual silo]

any suggestions on what to change to add that?

[cerulean smelt]

Do you want to mark one enemy and ignore them for 30% damage amp but take 600% I think damage from. Marked target?

[pallid siren]

so js like overdogs but you select who you want BUT u become super easy to kill to him?

[junior lagoon]

you are using a valid conclusion to defend a wrong situation. build does not make a player good but non optimal builds hurts groups

[candid cave]

Anyone have a eagle bearer build im currently using a striker/survivability hybrid my health is good but my damage is lacking

[junior lagoon]

at 300 shd their stats are not max add that to no optimal build

[short verge]

i thought it was shoot one guy, make everyone else take more damage, but the marked guy does more damage to the player

[hazy steeple]

you don't need a maxed SHD watch for a meta build.

[solar sable]

beacon is a no-go

[hazy steeple]

You keep coming into this chat trying to insult new players for joining harder missions, when what you should be doing is trying to help explain what they've done wrong, and most importantly: how to fix it.

[junior lagoon]

i am not insulting anybody but there are realities

[rich lotus]

Tbh I might slot one or two armor cores into the build but if you’re playing long range out of the fun fight with the diamond back you might be good. I run a full red core diamond back build I just have to remember to stay back and not run into the middle of everything. If you find yourself going down a lot I’d maybe swap out for some armor.

[solar sable]

ditch Beacon, use Overdogs and The Sacrifice or Ceska w/glass

[mint axle]

Oh yes, it is 20% to other enemies, (man this talent feels stupid ngl)

[short verge]

it is kind of weird that one guy can shred you with 6x damage with only marginal gain from other enemies, but it can work

but then again, who's using it against hunters

[cerulean smelt]

Imagine adding sacrifice with 60% more damage taken

[visual silo]

I still don't have Overdogs but once I get them I'll try this

[mint axle]

Well, I assume you can mark enemy devices as well like, support stations and rc cars.

[solar sable]

you can keep Contractors in the meantime

[visual silo]

thanks, I'll try out this too. do you think there's a better set bonus then negotiators?

[short verge]

actually good point, let me try that

[solar sable]

all gearsets do different things, there's no better

[hazy steeple]

Well.....

[mint axle]

But definitely there is worse cough tip of spear cough

[solar sable]

oh for sure 😂

[short verge]

let me see if im able to tag any target i damage

[rich lotus]

Really just depends while yes it’s true you aren’t fully min maxed until you hit shade level 1000 that doesn’t speak to the personal players skill. The current agent I’m on is only shade level 350 and I’m constantly seeing shade level 1000s plus who I not only out survive but also out damage. It’s more of a personal understanding of the game / skill than on top of that being fully min maxed. It’s a perspective thing. The game is a numbers game and if you understand that you can copy and paste a build but until you actually reach shade level 1000 max expertise the numbers will never match then your good. I frequently run endgame content on my new 350 shade level character. Expertise only level 12 and I am more than capable of holding my own in damage and staying alive. I guess the main point is no matter what build you make or copy until your shade level 1000 it won’t be fully min maxed fully optimized and that’s okay because that’s a goal to work on while also enjoying your build.

[fresh compass]

If running 4 striker what is the ideal 2 piece that isn't striker

[visual silo]

I know, but I was just wondering if negotiators might not have been a good choice, I picked it for the crit dmg buff and ability to spread damage around but idk if that's useful

[solar sable]

Equalizer and Overdogs/Exodus

[patent fossil]

Equaliser, memento, 4pc striker with maybe a couple of blue cores

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus Just an FYI, I'd recommend you try posting smaller paragraphs, or breaking them up into separate messages. The automod bot is very ban happy for what it considers spam.

[fresh compass]

I already do that i am soo smort do you use blue strike or just enough armor for 1.3

[silent storm]

Shade level 1000 isn't even a full red core

[solar sable]

it's the most underrated gearset and one of the best gearsets out there

[solar sable]

I'm allergic to blue cores, I don't use any

[fresh compass]

Ok who needs armor i like the way you think

[rich lotus]

Oh okay thank you for the advice !

[mint axle]

Enemies can't damage your armor if they are dead, so all red

[cobalt nexus]

chat wdy think ?

[solar sable]

I grew up running all red since the very beginning 🥴

[rich lotus]

I’m the opposite I can’t play without blue cores 😂

[solar sable]

Obliterate or Equalizer and you're gucci

[fresh compass]

Just don't get shot ez pz

[mint axle]

Wrong chest talent

[cobalt nexus]

yea currently faming countdowns for it

[silent storm]

Time to go peruse the YT and see what build to make today and see if it holds up at 0 expertise

[fresh compass]

Having to restart on pc hasn't been too bad i need to get a support build up for healing the team

Want to make a support so people will pick me

[solar sable]

Ini the beninging... ini, uh... ini the... ini the beginning...
sorry I'm lost

[fresh compass]

What primary do you use critter

[mint axle]

Just use the refactor set, you don't even have to shoot anymore

[fresh compass]

Like would i be good for high end content without blues

[solar sable]

Iron Lung my beloved

[fresh compass]

Can I get that from countdown via target loot

[solar sable]

ye

[fresh compass]

I have an st elms but I want to be able to have 100 in the mag for 100% shock uptime

[rich lotus]

If you look up anytime gaming on YouTube he has a really good sniper build that uses the 1886 or diamond back it’s 2 piece breaking 2 piece zoo and one piece and foxes prayers. You can crit for 30m but it has to be fully maxed out gear and can be really hard to put together for a simple set to put together 4 piece virtuoso and play closer up for the talent boost to damage. Or for longer range maybe 4 piece hotshot with chainkiller that’s pretty popular

[solar sable]

Don't recommend YT for builds, like never. It's full of clickbait and nonsense

[rich lotus]

It really depends there are some pretty horrendous builds on YouTube but I have found a few decent ones as well I prefer theory crafting though.

[silent storm]

Oh yeah here we go, this looks like today's YT build. Let's see how it stacks up

[solar sable]

I prefer my youtubers speaking and showing maths and facts instead of them looking for views and clicks

[rich lotus]

Negotiators works though don’t get me wrong but it’s super popular to run a 4 piece virtuoso or hotshot build.

[mint axle]

don't forget the it's a GOD tier build!! On the editing.

[rich lotus]

Yea I typically only follow build guides that show the absolute minimum and maximum potential for the build. I clit off if I see over capped crit damage or some weird frank build lol.

[solar sable]

since when is Virtuoso popular?

[short verge]

i guess there's a point for targetting immobile targets for blacklisters, but imo personally thats an entire exotic slot that could be used for something more useful for casual solo play

also i apologize for smearing the screen with blinding lights

[silent storm]

lol this is the thumbnail

[rich lotus]

Popular for specific builds not in general. I literally have hundreds of builds spread across multiple characters and theory craft a lot I don’t only focus on red for I do armor / utility builds as well so something that I come across a lot might not be as popular to someone who only sticks to one type of build.

[solar sable]

you forgot the AI talent icons

[silent storm]

I didn't post it I am just watching and building it

[visual silo]

Hotshot doesn't work with Diamondback, it's a rifle

[mint axle]

The aim showing the gun radiation 💀

[rich lotus]

If you wanted to switch up the build a little bit that’s why I added that.

[solar sable]

-insert hand putting a cherry on top of cake-

[silver coral]

Is red eclipse good for iron lung?

[visual silo]

ah, gotcha. I have a shroud build with Hotshot

[solar sable]

red EP is niche, not really often used

[silver coral]

Was it good for cc?

[solar sable]

that's the regular Skill Tier EP

[candid cave]

Awesome thank you

[mint axle]

But for cc it's better to use skill on yellow instead of status gun on red.

[pallid siren]

what are hostage rescue missions on open world? i do the public execution but for the quest nothing happens????

[silver coral]

Yellow handcuff or was it green

[mint axle]

Hostage rescue it's a separate activity

[solar sable]

Rescue Operation is the right one, they have a handcuff icon

[pallid siren]

and where do i find it?

[solar sable]

it's rng

[rich lotus]

All I’m saying is on my fully maxed out shade level 6500 character I have reliably been able to plug and play builds off YouTube and hit for the same Damage numbers I’m seeing in the video but I also know what to look for 😂 I’m not going to lump all content creators or build guides into one category because I tried a build and got melted and now I’m salty. But again you need to understand build crafting to know if a video is going to be bad or not. Just remember content creators even some click bait as bad as it is are prob a reason why the game is still being supported. Without them and the free advertisement for the game I’m sure ubicrap would’ve canned it a long time ago.

[mint axle]

Start taking CPs and it's going to appear more often.

[rich lotus]

Nice !! Tbh the ND set isn’t bad I like it for its bonuses.

[urban helm]

Is there anything I should work towards 30-40? Intentionally didn't boost as I'm just chilling and pushing through DC. Should I try to get the extra specializations unlocked?

[solar sable]

nah, just level up a spec, preferably Gunner

[urban helm]

So try to get that unlocked then. I don't have the year 1 thingy. Though maybe it's worth it to avoid the annoying requirements lol

[solar sable]

and it grants more than just Specs, +50 stash space and classified missions

[rich lotus]

Just depends lol, tech is helpful if you don’t have it unlocked for the link laser pointer for certain builds. It can be a grind to unlock the specializations though. I’d say try to unlock them all but gunner is the most popular. Is worth buying for the stash and assignments for the story but honesty end game doesn’t start till 40 and even then you’re just at the point where another grind begins. At 40 you start the build grinds.

[pallid siren]

i keep seeing my season pass levels going up, where can i claim the rewards??

[urban helm]

I'm guessing loot wise, just periodically grind up max Stat stuff into the library and sell off the rest?

[rich lotus]

You could also try umbras initiative I haven’t personally tried it but it could
Be fun if you look into what is does paired with the diamondback.

[solar sable]

no, Library and builds don't matter until lvl40

[pallid siren]

or is it the event pass? are they the same thing or?

[solar sable]

same thing

[pallid siren]

ok

[rich lotus]

I would honestly balance it at first. Sell some stuff trash some stuff for material and donate some stuff for your tinkering library. Once you hit level 40 is when you should start donating to your library. Trust me the earlier you start the better. The faster you can have a maxed out library the sooner you can start putting builds together without completely relying on good rolls 100% of the time so for now until 40 sell and trash at level 40 always check the library first donate what you can then sell and trash the rest.

[rich lotus]

The event pass is currently going on it’s temporary everyone has a glitch where you see both the season and even pass being leveled up. It’s just a visual glitch. Your season level is going up but there’s no season pass right now just the event pass.

[pallid siren]

ahh ok

[urban helm]

Thanks all. See you again in 8 levels lol

[fleet gulch]

Are there any gear sets or gear talents that let you restore armor without having to use kits? Basically, is there a "shooting enemies" version of Refactor?

[solar sable]

don't think so, are you having a hard time staying alive?

[fleet gulch]

I play solo 90% of the time, so I like Refactor for keeping myself alive.

[supple spindle]

I have a question about the Prototyp. So if you Prototyp a weapon you get most likley 1 maxed attribute. Can you max the other Attributes too or the only chance to get maxed attributes is rng?

[true elk]

any good riflle build ? i have this weapon but don't know if there is any better and what to play for the equipment

[rich lotus]

Other than total armor added, there’s the memento backpack that lets you pick up trophies that give you temporary shield, the gunner spec gives armor on kill , theres also the hunters fury armor and health on kill gear bonus , there’s also the heartbreaker gear set with linked laser pointer. That’s the one I personally use for extra armor.

[subtle bluff]

Rifle in general aren't great DPS weapons.

[subtle bluff]

Refactor is the only semi self repair gear in general. Trying to get anymore take away from your build being able to kill things
But also isn't that the point of the game staying killing things?

[subtle bluff]

Go to #1484200964712829028 for PTS stuff

[velvet beacon]

u can combine zwiadowka with overlord if your weapon handling sucks, but i made also with ninja for bittersweet and selfheal

[rich lotus]

Most people don’t like rifles for the fire rate and handling but you can actually piece together multiple gear sets or just run one gear set bonus and push some crazy damage numbers on rifles. I have a dedicated diamond back / mod 2 built and it slaps. Easily crit for 20m damage

[subtle bluff]

diamondback can be so fun ND auto Crit anythings.

[fleet gulch]

I mean, the enemies can shoot back at you too.

[subtle bluff]

Kill them faster than they shoot you

If things are dead they can't hurt you

[fleet gulch]

How are you restoring armor there, that's what I want to know.

[subtle bluff]

Gunner Spec.

[velvet beacon]

its armor on kill from gunner spec

[subtle bluff]

Like mentioned above by others

Out of everything he noticed is just the AoK. Not the Legendary mission, not the DPS, everything falling over is nor how much dmg I didn't take....

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1jZFxzOinCpE8Yt8mUVw6SFsSuxgvmJPqf4-Axe-rR50/edit?usp=drivesdk

This but with rifles is fun. Use faster firing rifles than the M1A tho. UIC15 for instance as main

[velvet beacon]

if u wanna armor on kill there are few solutions: hunters fury + ps or with ninja: belstone + system corruption + ps + uzina ofc + gunner spec this one gives hella armor on kill but u have lower dmg

[subtle bluff]

may as well point to the guide that shows that.

[smoky latch]

I couldn't find it lol

[fleet gulch]

Ah, I see.

[smoky latch]

I hate that Firefox doesn't sync bookmarks right between desktop and mobile

[rich lotus]

I love the DB tbh I

[subtle bluff]

another thing on the list moving some of my guides off of GDoC

[smoky latch]

Where to?

[subtle bluff]

either GameFAQ or whenever Buildstation take our guide thing out of testing

[smoky latch]

Sounds like a plan

[subtle bluff]

Working on the starter guide atm but also trying to polish it up

[solar sable]

lmk if u need me to add smth

[smoky latch]

I'd be down to help too if I can

[acoustic moon]

Im hoping on the game now. My gamertag is the same as my discord username xVxH34DSH0TxVx anyone wanna help me with pve and pvp builds

Idk if ill be able to use my mic or not its a pos and doesnt wanna work half the time

[smoky latch]

We can suggest you PvE builds here, for PvP check #td2-pvp-discussions

If you wanna LFG check #lfg-xbox

[acoustic moon]

Oh ok. What lfg

[smoky latch]

Looking for group/players

[acoustic moon]

Oh ok

[fleet gulch]

For backup boomstick, is it more important to reroll that third stat to damage to target out of cover or the talent to something like brazen?

[smoky latch]

I would not recommend running a double barrel in PvE. You won't have a good time with it due to reloading all the time

[lusty hamlet]

Hey everyone! been thinking about making tanky build but not sure what are the best options out there.
Thinking about bulwark with a pistol, probably the most tank thing there is, right?

[solar sable]

tanks... are not what you think they are

[pulsar burrow]

Probably not worth trying to reroll on a Mantis?

[smoky latch]

Why are you aiming for a tanky build and what for?

[smoky latch]

Optimize once and you're good

[pulsar burrow]

Oh shoot. Didn't even realize I could optimize it lol.

[fleet gulch]

Let's say I wanted to use it for my sidearm though, which I absolutely do, what would you change first?

[lusty hamlet]

I'm thinking it would be useful for master and legendary difficulty missions

[smoky latch]

I would not run it as sidearm, sorry, I can't wholeheartedly recommend you anything this way

[fleet gulch]

Assume that it's any other shotgun then, would you reroll the stability or that talent first?

[true elk]

What's the build like I don't know yet all the items

[smoky latch]

I'd farm until I get one with DTOC and then change the talent to likely Brazen, honestly

[fleet gulch]

So I guess the DTOC is more important than the talent, for generic guns?

[solar sable]

second most important

[willow sigil]

does crit chance of your secondary weapon add to your total crit chance of your primary weapon in the stats, or does it only apply when you are using the secondary weapon?

[solar sable]

only to said weapon

[willow sigil]

is that still reflected in the stat screen? because im looking at crit chance for example and i cant math out how i got there

[solar sable]

attributes + watch bonus + weapon mods + weapon attributes

[smoky latch]

You can change guns in the stats screen. Press and hold G until your character switches. You can cycle through up to your spec weapon

[willow sigil]

okay, so its my total combined crit then, not accurate to what weapon i am actually using

oh. i get it now, thanks

[smoky latch]

The displayed values are just for the equipped weapon. Cycle through to see each of their stats

[subtle bluff]

You can't take/control agro in this game.

[lusty hamlet]

Oh, I thought if I walked up to enemies whey would prioritize shooting me

[subtle bluff]

Nope

but also then you're blocking your teammates shots so...

[smoky latch]

The aggro or threat factor in this game doesn't work like that. There are more factors to consider but they always go for the DPS players 😄

[lusty hamlet]

I see, so you guys would say there's not much point to going for a foundry set with bulwark shield then?
If I really want to use that shield and pistol just for for dps set with blue cores and crit?

[smoky latch]

Solo it doesn't matter but in group play you don't help your team with a tanky build

[lusty hamlet]

I'm thinking group play, yeah. I sometimes play with a couple of friend who very casual so was thinking something to support them instead of carrying

[smoky latch]

You can run various support builds, anything is better than so-called tanks. Foam, fire CC, Refactor for armor repair for instance

[versed summit]

Something like Future initiative or eclipse protocol are good

[lusty hamlet]

Cool, I'll look into one of then instead then. Thanks!

[smoky latch]

You'll find a selection of build suggestions in the first pinned message in this channel (spreadsheet - build hub tab) and there are more, if you're interested

[lusty hamlet]

Oh, didn't realize we had that haha. I'll take a look, thanks again!

[fickle sparrow]

hi....is there any reason people seem to be doing a lot of bounties in brooklyn today? i usually never get them there when i search for bounties but been getting them all day today

[silent storm]

Maybe target loot

[dense roost]

What would be a good non-exotic AR alternative to the Lexington? For Striker or anything else really, I’d like a Lexington but dunno when it will be back

[silent storm]

I like the P416 or the MK16

[onyx sage]

famas, p416, police m4, f2000

[subtle bluff]

any high rpm weapon. +790 really

[subtle bluff]

Works. We like overdogs cuz it helps starting out better.

[jolly sapphire]

what to replace?

[smoky latch]

Tinkerer

[jolly sapphire]

for overdogs?

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

[jolly sapphire]

how much does it deal?

[smoky latch]

Enough

[jolly sapphire]

would you be able to run the number

[subtle bluff]

More..

[smoky latch]

You can farm comfortably

[subtle bluff]

Don’t really want to.

[jolly sapphire]

np

[subtle bluff]

30% amp is more

[smoky latch]

You can trust it's good

But now I am inclined to test your version 😄

[jolly sapphire]

I got it off tiktok, asked the dude what stats and he js said headshot

[smoky latch]

HSD/WH yeah

[subtle bluff]

I use to use that version above. Starting was pita still

[jolly sapphire]

yes

[smoky latch]

Yeah no I'll stick to the Overdogs version

[cerulean smelt]

until you play with new Back and Forth talent 😹

[smoky latch]

I have not tested the talents yet. Only the prototype gear, new activities

Today some testing with the gear and brand set

[summer totem]

Experimenting some builds rn, what do you guys think of headhunter chest, thermal kneepads, and 4 pc hotshot with shroud and white death

[cerulean smelt]

only test i did was the named SMG with exotic ar and boy does that scream when paired with 7.5 salvo rof and strikers 😹

[smoky latch]

What are thermal kneepads?

[cerulean smelt]

you read my mind!? 🤯

[summer totem]

Turmoil***

[smoky latch]

You'll reach more people by naming items by their brand name

[subtle bluff]

Losing DMG.

[smoky latch]

AH 😄

[summer totem]

Trynna build a 1 shot build for heroic difficultly free roam

[cerulean smelt]

but chow it doesn't say lose damage, just 50% damage transferred 😹

[smoky latch]

Turmoil will not help you with it, in fact, will make it harder for you

At least for a while until you get HH fully stacked. Ineffective

[subtle bluff]

it’s only ok if you swap after you have HH stacks

But if lose the stacks it’s a mess.

[cerulean smelt]

your damage is halved, so trying to obtain HH stacks is harder

[summer totem]

Hmm should i stick to memento then change the kneepads to hotshot

[subtle bluff]

I just posted the build…

[smoky latch]

Imagine you hit a Hyena rusher and break their helmet. Your HH stacks will be gone and you'll stad there with pants down

[jolly sapphire]

how much more dmg

[summer totem]

Oof that was meant for me? Mb bro ToT

[subtle bluff]

30%

[summer totem]

Only 3 pc? What's airaldi and overdogs passive against

Again*

[subtle bluff]

Players rarely are able to keep up the 4pcs talent

The numbers that Hotshot 2 and 3 are more than anything else in the game.

[summer totem]

Fair

Okay I'll do your build thanks, need to farm for overdog first

[subtle bluff]

HH build once they start chaining off doesn’t really need much.
Starting it is the issues normally.

[summer totem]

I have crappy rng luck, spent 50 matches in countdown for st elmo's and ended up getting other exotics but st Elmo's

[smoky latch]

You don't have to run CD only, do Retaliations as an alternative. Very worth it

Countdown as also not known to drop many exotics. You can buy the exotic caches with its currency, which is OK. But running Retaliaions on heroic gives you an exo cache after each successful completion

[silver coral]

Anything i can optimized with od 4 pcs with overdog + equalizer i was planning on using ninja backpack to build 2 set im using iron lung for it

[summer totem]

Dont have anyone to do it with on challenging or heroic, unless the st elmo also drops on normal difficulty

[smoky latch]

Always use the OD chest piece. You can run Overdogs and a Ceska backpack for most builds

[smoky latch]

Retaliations will get matchmaking coming season

🥳

[summer totem]

Wait doesnt overdog conflict shroud's passive

[silver coral]

Oh mb mb i was running Petrov backpack iirc for lmg dmg and overdog and 4 pc od

[onyx sage]

no, they can both work

if you only have 1 tier, they both work, they don't have to both work in every case to be worth using together

[summer totem]

Noted

[silver coral]

Wasnt cheska for cc only?

[smoky latch]

Example. I use LMGs, too. You will benefit more from the additional CHC from Ceska.
You already get a bunch of WD through OD, more is not necessary

[onyx sage]

yes, crit chance is why it's good

you have too much weapon damage on a full red build for petrov to beat ceska

[silver coral]

Wish iron lung have more ammo

85 ammo kinda low

[subtle bluff]

For future reference CHC is Critical hit Chance then CC normally is Crowd Control.

[silver coral]

Do i need 60% cc is 55 is fine?

Oh right mb mb

[onyx sage]

you can shuffle more chc to chd somewhere

[subtle bluff]

Follow this

[subtle bluff]

To reference we have a OD guide that explain why this isn’t that good.

[jolly sapphire]

lets see your 20 loadouts bro

[smoky latch]

wat

[jolly sapphire]

lets see all your builds

[smoky latch]

sec control point

[hazy steeple]

there are easily 20 builds you can put together via the builds hub in the spreadsheet, and that wouldn't even cover most of the combos available.

[jolly sapphire]

I just wanna see what infinity has

[hazy steeple]

From how much they mention it in here, I assume they're a big fan of NBB.

[jolly sapphire]

nbb?

[smoky latch]

That would be @flint arch

[silver coral]

how much CHC do you have?

[smoky latch]

One second, one thing after another

[jolly sapphire]

procrastination final boss /j

[silver coral]

sure take your time

[solar sable]

EEEEEEWWWW

[silver coral]

its the youtuber with the long intro

[jolly sapphire]

and the 3 hour videos

for some unknown reason

[smoky latch]

Hahahahah yes

Watch out, his next video

[jolly sapphire]

tbh he has some interesting builds...

[hazy steeple]

Nah that's iKia.

Luv ya bud ❤️

[smoky latch]

Well...

The fundamental difference there is that iKia presents facts and you learn sth from his videos

[jolly sapphire]

..

[smoky latch]

I won't forget you

[jolly sapphire]

😔

[smoky latch]

With the MK46

And 52% CHC with the Bluescreen

[smoky latch]

What exactly are you looking for? I don't know if I can post many screenshots here in a row (or in one post)

[solar sable]

a vid

[silver coral]

ok noted

[smoky latch]

OMG I'm a derp

[solar sable]

lolol

[smoky latch]

You get ⭐ for that suggestion 😂

[silver coral]

maybe il try to get 55-56 with iron lung

[smoky latch]

PTS here has some slightly older loadout but let me record a clip rq

[silver coral]

i wish i can increase the ammo of iron lung 85 is kinda low imagine if iron lung has the 250 ammo that gear shift have

[jolly sapphire]

just show all your current loadouts you have saved

[subtle bluff]

There mostly all in the build hub

[jolly sapphire]

in game.

[hazy steeple]

@jolly sapphire I promise, the google.doc won't bite you.

[smoky latch]

The last three are PTS builds where I am just testing stuff

The Strega build however is the one where it says "missing item" everywhere

[jolly sapphire]

honestly Ive never seen streag

strega ever in my life

[smoky latch]

Niche weapon. Has a really high damage ceiling tho

[jolly sapphire]

what does that mean

[cerulean smelt]

you shoot things to mark them i believe it was? for each mark you gain damage or something of that nature. totally forget as i stashed mine

[hazy steeple]

its not made for short people.

[smoky latch]

Read its buff. It's doing a lot of damage once an NPCS is afflicted with at least three stacks

[rich lotus]

The build is actually pretty hard to put together it took me a while but it’s 2 piece breaking / 2 piece zoo and one piece the fox prayer knee pads with tie overdog gloves. I can go into more detail for stats and attributes but it smacks lol. Just a bit difficult to put together.

[solar sable]

Strega my new favorite

[cerulean smelt]

thanks i couldn't remember it clearly, but knew it was just an odd one i couldn't find a use for 😹

[rich lotus]

I almost exclusively run hybrids. Damage /tank with minimum 1.5 armor but usually closer to 2 million armor I never run full red core. A dead DPS is as good as no DPS but also hitting like as weak as a fly is also useless. I usually run builds where I can manage sustainable DPS around 300k up to 900k damage numbers sometimes more and have at least 1.5 to 2.0 million armor. No better feeling then being able to get in the enemies face and melt them without dying in 3 seconds.

[lone glacier]

"tank" oh dear..

[rich lotus]

Bulwark is great if you set it up right with a shield my bulwark build with artificer hive is nearly invincible lol. I can keep my shield up and face tank multiple enemies at once with the hive and gear keeping my shield alive then drop my shield for more damage when I don’t need to tank I think it’s base armor is 1.8 million but closer to 2 million if your max spec

Most of the community believes in running full red core unfortunately when they die within seconds and get voted off a team they don’t understand it’s because you need more survivability if you want to run end game content over challenging difficulty.

[lone glacier]

^thats false, you can run full reds and still do Legendaries just fine..

[smoky latch]

Something like this could be good for players who want damage and survivability. 1.5m armor roughly

[summer totem]

Can someone show me st elmo's stats im curious

[smoky latch]

Use backpack for more survivability and switch to Overdogs

But the backpack is pretty underwhelming without any talent or anything at all for that matter. Just all cores

[solar sable]

"most of the community [...] get voted off because you need more survivability in the endgame content"
🤣 yeah sure

[rich lotus]

Brother, if you’re trying to do anything wether if be summit , raids , or anything for that nature and you roll up in a all red core build and get melted immediately to the point where your team has to constantly revive you I promise you unless you’re running random matchmaking people are going to vote you off or leave 😂 what’s the point in specing into full damage when you can’t stay alive long enough to see those damage numbers. You either only run hard difficulty / challenging or you don’t do endgame content.

[summer totem]

Ngl i did see how convenient and easier countdown escape was with tank build players

[smoky latch]

You only need a tank in two spots in a raid, BTW. Rest can be done, and is mostly recommended, running DPS builds

[solar sable]

So your point is having to use tank builds because you can't solve skill issues?

[summer totem]

Im not saying its better, but its def easier to have someone tank shots while the red builds free hits

[smoky latch]

Tanks objectively contribute nothing in a team. Can't keep aggro (well), don't do DPS

[rich lotus]

Exactly. I constantly run countdown with players who are sub shade level 100 which is fine that’s the only way to get good builds I agree with being friendly to new players but I frequently run into players who full spec red and die in seconds where as players who spec hybrid or tank can get obj and extractions done the amount of times I’m the only one left alive because I have over 700k armor and everyone else is dead is mind boggling lol

[smoky latch]

It's just an excuse to stay alive in this game

[summer totem]

But hey i dont think we should discriminate playstyle. Let people have fun how they want to play it

[minor shadow]

all-red builds is high-risk high-reward
if you lock in and dont get hit (for example using ballistic shield to tank/ using cover well) or if you have squadmates running support then that dps can be utilized well
if you dont do any of that you die and you get punished for it

[smoky latch]

They can ofc as long as they don't falsely advocate it as "good playstyle"

[rich lotus]

Not a skill issue my friend I have quite literally hundreds of builds in this game , hybrids , full utility , full red core , my accuracy is always decent and I know how to play however if you’re telling me you can run endgame group content or open world heroic with directives with a full red core you clearly don’t play this game 😂

[solar sable]

Having tons of builds doesn't make you a better player, I'm sorry to say it.

[lone glacier]

I'm running open world heroic with full directives with full reds and I'm sub 150 SHD level and no expertise..

Like, where's the issue?

[minor shadow]

this is objectively false yo

[rich lotus]

Again I never said spec Into full blue . I run hybrid builds I consistently top the leader board for damage and damage taken. The sweet spot is crit for 700k to 900k with high fire rate and have 2mil armor. I rarely go down but I also dish out damage and it plays a significant role in the game when the squishy glass cannons constantly go down I am the one reviving them 😂

[solar sable]

Tank players for me are the ones who cry they cannot get good at the game. Only two people I know, know how to play Tank and being useful to the team.

[rich lotus]

Tell you what anyone who disagrees add me . Let’s run an heroic countdown or heroic summit anything. Bring your full red core build and let’s see how long you survive vs my hybrid build then let’s compare damage numbers we can post it here for proof 👀 I’ll even use my not min maxed level character

[rich lotus]

Yet you’re probably constantly going down relying on a revive hive and someone to pick you up

[smoky latch]

Sure, that is natural with tanks. That doesn't mean you kill most a meaningful amount of NPCs tho

[minor shadow]

why are we measuring a metric that you are specificly specced into

[solar sable]

I don't run Rev Hive. Never.

[summer totem]

Anyways, is it rare to find maxed out gear mods

[subtle bluff]

Leggo duo?

[solar sable]

very, gotta pray to rngesus

[summer totem]

The ones we put in gear i mean

[minor shadow]

i dont have a problem with you liking tank/hybrid builds im just saying dont say that red builds are not viable for 90 percent of content, because that is objectively false

[rich lotus]

Could I not use that as a counter argument for who does the most damage if you’re Specd unto damage

[solar sable]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA that is such a good comment

[lone glacier]

I mean.. ish? Don't target farm them.. its a waste 😂

[minor shadow]

we are built to do different things so measuring by one metric is a bad way to compare them, no?

[summer totem]

Idk while looking up the game i saw people deleting heroic enemies before they could shoot, isnt that the point faster ttk?

[subtle bluff]

What is going on here...

[rich lotus]

All red builds aren’t viable 😂 you have to have some sort of survivability unless you’re running a sniper build sitting in the background because the minute you run into that named enemy or elite on heroic /leg/ master you will be melted. Whereas someone who has found a balance between damage and tank who can still dish numbers and not die immediately is far better off if you wanna run full red that’s fine it’s your game but facts are facts if you have higher base armor and more survivability and you’re only sacrificing minimal damage you’re going to survive longer.

[summer totem]

Long story short from my pov, guy says red builds are inferior to tank hybrid builds i think

[solar sable]

Paladin here is saying that All red builds are not viable for 90% of content

[subtle bluff]

Ahh...

I see I see. I use have kind of that mindset hence being an old HB main.

[minor shadow]

my survivability comes from running ballistic shield or my squadmates supporting me
it also comes down to using cover correctly and positioning yourself correctly so you dont get flanked (so you minimize damage taken as much as possible)

if you play stupid while using all-red, you will certainly die and it will suck for both you and your team

[smoky latch]

🍿 testing builds but reading this convo in between

[rich lotus]

Doomz I’m making a simple suggestion to prove your point / mine let’s run a heroic / legendary activity any kind at all, let’s see who does more damage and who survives longer ?

I’m not against all red builds but for end game content you will be melted lol

[solar sable]

I'm leaving, I cannot handle this much Tank nonsense 😂

[summer totem]

Does sniper turret benefit from sniper stats

[smoky latch]

It's OK if you can't handle DPS builds personally, but do not advocate against objective facts and make such ludicrous claims pls

[subtle bluff]

Don't forget if he's talking about the past few weeks doesn't really matter what you use since GE's are OP.

[bright raptor]

No

[rich lotus]

That was my point , I’m not against all red core builds I’m saying objectively as a solo player if I solo Q as most people do it’s smarter to rely on bringing survivability for yourself vs relying on random teammates which is why I believe hybrids are somewhat the best to bridge that gap. You barely sacrifice damage but gain in armor

[subtle bluff]

Issues with this context is really up to the player and not the build here.

[rich lotus]

My brother I have one character dedicated to nothing but all red core builds 😂 I literally theory craft and try everything out on a daily basis. I understand gear and how things work. So to say that is crazy

[ancient ridge]

Solo player here, 90% all red core, and I have no issues. what type of drugs is this Paladin guy on?

[minor shadow]

okay thats fair i respect that
you bring a valid point to the table
but dont generalize all red build users into the bad players that die in 2 seconds then using that to argue that they are worse than hybrids/tanks for 90 percent of content 😁

[summer totem]

Whatever he's on i want it too

[rich lotus]

Alright let’s run it, I’ll load up a legendary or heroic event no revive hives let’s see who goes down first as a solo player no reviving each other ?

[subtle bluff]

Here's the thing. Once you've have learn the gameplay and a knowledge to this game the build become easier to run.

[summer totem]

What's the 10%?

[rich lotus]

I’m not generalizing all because you can be decent at red builds it’s just the majority of new players are mislead to believe all red core then run into endgame and get melted

[subtle bluff]

Sure. Event tho I'm only on a steamdeck

[summer totem]

Why not do faster clear? Instead of survivability.

[ancient ridge]

some blue core and 1 yellow core.

[minor shadow]

okay thats a good point, start off with that instead of implying all red builds are bad for most endgame content please 👍

[subtle bluff]

GUYS.. He's not on a full tank.. He's just being tough enough to keep shooting. It's not 100% wrong.
Pushing your playstyle on other is the issues.

[cerulean smelt]

guy i swilling to die on that hill though 😹

[onyx sage]

can someone just send my full red solo leg videos

[minor shadow]

are oxpecker + ballistic shield builds viable for leg content?

[rich lotus]

That’s my point all the damage isn’t worth it if you can’t stay alive long enough. Maybe with good movement and a good team but anyone who has played this game knows in the thick of it when you’re the only one left alive or doing content it’s easy for waves of enemies to swarm you. I’d rather do 100k less damage but makeup for it with 1 million more armor to give me breathing room to reposition or get out and hit a kit. I believe damage is important, that’s the only way you’re going to get kills but to say it’s the only thing that’s important is crazy. When you get that heroic elite you want to kill and you only have 700-900k armor you peek up to kill them an you get insta melted. If you’re cool with hitting multiple armor kits having to reposition, having to constantly move that’s fine that’s your play style I get it. I just prefer to have more armor initially so I don’t have to constantly hit armor kits , revive hides or constantly be moving.

[cerulean smelt]

i can do that. youtube correct?

[onyx sage]

it can be but imo kinda hard to balance enough damage to keep the shield healing up while also having enough shield health to not die in few hits. however besides this balancing act there's another thing which is that shields get basically one-shot from explosion direct hits. it's something that any shield besides bulwark will suffer from. just my 2 cents

[cerulean smelt]

here's zoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWpFhcgOnGQ

i f uped dien. looked for chow instead of you 😹

[rich lotus]

when I run heroic countdowns and max level summits and it’s like me an one other player because everyone else got melted at extraction I always check builds and it’s full red core that’s objectively because they have less armor. When I’m killing an elite and someone kills then one second faster than me that’s objectively because they have higher damage spec . Question is would rather kill an enemy in a second or two faster or be able to stay alive twice as long before having to retreat.

[subtle bluff]

simply this game is about have a mix balance of: Build, gameplay and knowledge. If you lack one area too much you the areas can only pick up so much.

[minor shadow]

you right i forgot about the suicide drones and grenadiers
appreciate the input

[jolly sapphire]

infinity is the 1886 1 shot build with fox knee pads?

[solar sable]

I'll answer, yes

[subtle bluff]

Use CD has a reference for build is kind of w/e due to different CD buffs and what not.

[jolly sapphire]

and what would the attribute be, dmg out of cover or weapon dmg

[solar sable]

HSD, the other two are fixed

[subtle bluff]

watch the video link above and tell us if that makes sense.

[rich lotus]

Armor on kill / armor regen 😂 I’m talking full damage no regen no armor on kill with bonus sets or running a cheese pistols damage possibly modifiers or builds that give armor for killing. But obviously with good aim , a build that give you AOK or has regen you’re fine I’m talking about full red core builds with no survivability at all.

[solar sable]

swap Hazpro to HSD

[jolly sapphire]

ill replace the hazard with hsd

[onyx sage]

recal the hazpro to hsd and you can use it

[subtle bluff]

I mean Gunner is free...

I love he hasn't responded to me yet.

[rich lotus]

Not my point I wasn’t addressing any nuances or any AOK I was only addressing full red core with no survivability at all.

[onyx sage]

i don't know of any player that runs full red without any AOK or shield, there's only one or the other, but you have to go out of your way to have absolutely neither

mainly because gunner is such a popular spec and you get 10% aok for free

[subtle bluff]

Let us ask you this. Is running PGC and Vigilance that bad then?

[rich lotus]

I fully agree most people should and do run at least gunner. However I’m saying there’s this bad habit of not letting new players realize if you’re going to run full red you need some form of AOK or regen otherwise you’re toast and that’s what I see a lot of in the game. New players load up into challenging up and run full red with no regen or AOK

[rich lotus]

Not if you spec around it properly to make up for the weaknesses as with any build.

[subtle bluff]

imo AoK and small regen isn't really surival it's sustain.

[onyx sage]

trust us, our advice in here have always involved running either gunner or having some AOK or in general having some sort of survivability in one form or the other. we don't take such a hardline stance on it because frankly it doesn't really make sense. our stance is more like "you can get by with very minimal survivability buffs"

most of the time, that's just gunner 10% aok

[subtle bluff]

I am only a decent player and only run this well in a few places super well.

[rich lotus]

Sustain in my opinion would be bonus armor on headshot . Sustain is continuous , whereas AOK would give you that extra advantage when you’re low health and need that armor boost after the kill.

[subtle bluff]

But also this build is highly recommend in Raids.

[rich lotus]

Again not a bad build but why not have the best of both worlds . I have builds that give higher armor and hit for the same numbers If not more

[silver coral]

can you get lexington on bounty hounds?

[onyx sage]

no

[subtle bluff]

Not a great clip but it's was one shot run and I'm no where as reckless as I normally am

[subtle bluff]

you can't get near the same DPS as this build.

For it's TTK from zero you can't in a longer fight sure.

[onyx sage]

even if you hit the same numbers you'll have to compromise on some other things. the strength of pgc/vigi builds is you get your damage upfront without taking much time

[rich lotus]

Brother my 2mil armor build hits for 300k non crit 💀. My hybrid hits for 1.4 mil im not trying to be mean but if you’re running full red in that video those numbers are low

[subtle bluff]

Again do a degree I understand know what you're doing. I've been there.

[subtle bluff]

at what stacks?

[onyx sage]

and what rpm

[minor shadow]

he wasnt hitting headshots and he also did it without any buildup

[rich lotus]

I’m not being mean but you can’t tell me that’s a good build. If I’m going full red core or need higher damage then that.

[subtle bluff]

Do the same run plz. I can do a better run. This was a one shot run.

[onyx sage]

okay just to benchmark, what's your best time on solo DUA legendary, with no modifiers?

just to compare efficiency wise, since that build on DUA does it in 17min

[subtle bluff]

Hell run heroic DUO with one of us

you'll know you'll just be running behind us.

[rich lotus]

That’s fine. That’s a niche run I’m talking in general. For a casual solo Q player doing any content. You run that build and come under any sustsined fire where you get hit by bullets it’s over

[onyx sage]

you're avoiding the question

[subtle bluff]

I wasn't try that hard either it's just a showcase trying to push hard...

[rich lotus]

Your max damage was 1.4 million ? My all red core one shot build Crits for 20 million no mods we are not on the same level 😂

[onyx sage]

okay still no answer, tells me all i need, thanks

[subtle bluff]

That isn't my max? I'm not even fully stack because everything dies so quickly

[lone glacier]

brb running legendary capitol with full red

[subtle bluff]

But also my DPS is higher.

[subtle bluff]

20 mill a crit? so you're running GE's?

[summer totem]

You guys arent done?

[subtle bluff]

So this more?

[rich lotus]

Na , I’ve literally seen no stacks , just raw base damage max at 30 million crit lol. If I’m running full red build I’d want more damage

[subtle bluff]

I wanna see that

Proof us wrong. Plz.

[summer totem]

@subtle bluff should i use shotgun as my secondary

[subtle bluff]

sorry I'm lost at context. What's the build?

[summer totem]

4 pc hotshot, chainkiller and memento

[onyx sage]

you can

m870 (any variant) recommended

[subtle bluff]

Anything that makes you feel better of doing it. I normally run 2 MMR's I'd rather just start the chain over again and use skill to distance myself again.

[summer totem]

Noted

[rich lotus]

When I’m able to get on and play and record I’m happy to

[rich lotus]

Speed running and playing in the thick of it missions 2 different things

[subtle bluff]

You're right. I am not speeding any of that.

Speed running is different and I'd be on different builds.

[onyx sage]

striker pgc/vigilance isn't really speedrunning lincoln either, he'd be on HHF instead

[rich lotus]

Take that same build into a max level countdown or summit. Run up to the elites and let’s see how it survives

[subtle bluff]

OKIES.

[onyx sage]

challenge accepted 💀

[subtle bluff]

IDK i can record on a steam deck tho atm...

PC isn't with me...

[flint arch]

I hate you sir

[cerulean smelt]

take it up to dien. he asked to send a video and i did

[lone glacier]

I heard you like nbb

[rich lotus]

When yall get hit by them elites and go down to one shot but the denial will be real

[onyx sage]

oh trust me i know the feeling, you say it as if i don't know

[cerulean smelt]

let me ask you this. isn't your armor cores considering survivability?

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/1_YYCh3_HkU?si=EYoSynENzq56viUi

[flint arch]

oh this convo is about 6 red cores innit

[rich lotus]

So why feel that when you can still do damage and survive?

[subtle bluff]

Knowledge and gameplay

[onyx sage]

because i can use good positioning as the way to survive instead

if someone can solo all legendaries with full red, you can too

[rich lotus]

While that’s true you’re not always granted time to reposition when an elite is chasing you down lol

[onyx sage]

that's a skill issue tbh

[subtle bluff]

Go click on the video

[rich lotus]

Yes if you just stand in the open but when you’re in group scaled content and being swarmed na

[onyx sage]

please watch all the videos linked, you might just learn something

i would've picked good known positions beforehand so that doesn't happen, lol

you act like we get ambushed, we play the same content for 6 years, we know all the spawns at this point

[subtle bluff]

You wanna see an all red build carry incursion? Then again I can't post that video because the group I carried got really toxic.....

[cerulean smelt]

this is my personal favorite of your blue survivability build you're fighting over
#td2-build-advice message

[lone glacier]

While reading this I nearly finished legendary capitol but my monitor did its pixel refresh and I died 😦

Good entertainment though

[rich lotus]

Again. I’m not talking about modifiers, cheese or gunner spec I’m talking pure red vs hybrid when you come under heavy gun fire the hybrid will survive off pure base armor it’s objective better at surviving and if you balance it so you’re barely losing damage why not

[true elk]

if you want to then i will accept u going into more detail about the stats and attributes ❤️

[onyx sage]

no modifiers, and if using cover is cheese you're saying the game isn't a cover shooter

[subtle bluff]

Go watch the Link I posted this was over a year ago with no GE arounds.
https://youtu.be/1_YYCh3_HkU?si=EYoSynENzq56viUi
Easier

Watch some of the video plz before just trying to reiterating what you're about to say about needing survival.

[short verge]

what are your thoughts on harrier pride?

its like the Potential Backpack Exotic!!! is it doing something? can it be doing something? is the buff really working?

[subtle bluff]

Super Niche.

The stacks go away out of combat.

[short verge]

mnmm i see

imma keep playing with it a bit more, feels like it got something going for it, like 10 stack memento but without the safety net of the trophies lying around

[subtle bluff]

Stacks take too long to build into anything meaningful.

I mean with one stack Memento kind just wins with it's short buff. But long buffs in the end Memento always wins.

[rich lotus]

Not fighting over anything I have no need to. I legit only play this game to theory craft and build builds all day everyday I know what armor does what I know what core and attributes work best but for someone to say an all red build with no amount of survivability at all vs a hybrid build with survivability the all red is better is brain dead. When you go into nuances of let’s add regen or AOK or GC or modifiers it’s obvious a different conversation I’m speaking solely to a all red core build that has nothing for AoK or regen only damage vs a hybrid. Obviously it’s not that common but I do see it and I can only imagine because they’ve been mislead. To say one build trumps all the others is crazy. That’s why you have so many builds in the game to suit your individual playstyle but to say all red core is the only viable option and to say only blue core is the most viable it’s crazy. People who refuse to see the value of all red core and people who refuse to see the need for blue cores are the problem with this game. Yes the damage is nice but if you can’t stay alive long enough in group scaled content you will be kicked most likely same if you hit like an air soft gun because you have too many blue cores. That’s why I’m saying objectively speaking the as a causal solo player who runs group scaled content when I’m not theory crafting it’s better to have more blue cores because I can’t rely on my teammates when I’m running content where elites one shot.

[onyx sage]

📖

[short verge]

📖

[shy willow]

🧱📖

[rich lotus]

My bad only intelligent people read books

[cerulean smelt]

you're pusing hybrid build is stronger than red. how is that not fighting?

[onyx sage]

i do read good books

[subtle bluff]

Did you know no matter the build you can't get One shotted off the bat?

[rich lotus]

Sure

[shy willow]

Ad hominem in the big 2026

[onyx sage]

projecting is too strong, you win on that one

[rich lotus]

While that’s true I’d rather have more survivability than damage.

[rich lotus]

👑

[short verge]

you dont go to build advice for advise, you go there to get told to look at the build spreadsheet and/or recalibrate into red cores

[onyx sage]

yeah i'm outta here local you take a look at this one

[shy willow]

We can't in good faith recommend subpar builds

[hexed steppe]

that why the survivability is needed in your case it seems

[subtle bluff]

I tried taking your bit and agreeing with you again you just thru that out like I didn't mean it...

[shy willow]

If you specifically ask for a hybrid that's another question but it's important to note that they're worse

[rich lotus]

Honestly If you’re not able to theory craft your own builds and they are viable I don’t think that person should speak on builds

[shy willow]

Dien and chow are contributors to the spreadsheet

[short verge]

this i understand, which is why i come here every now and then to feel the condescending attitude

[rich lotus]

Yea because I enjoy doing the same damage and tanking more bullets

[hexed steppe]

gunner is enough aok for an all red... survivabilty through superior damage output. dead npcs dont shoot back

[shy willow]

As is local

[subtle bluff]

You're not doing the same dmg stop saying that.

[onyx sage]

honestly if you can solve world hunger and cure cancer on your own no one should be able to comment on how you get there

[shy willow]

It's not condescension 😭

[short verge]

what are you talking about?????????

[subtle bluff]

You're able to do the same dmg in the end taking longer to do it yes.

[rich lotus]

Personal bias over objective truths. Why trust a spreadsheet when someone has clearly stated bias over only using red core ? Why not learn to theory craft on your own and cut the middle man out

[lone glacier]

The best defense is an even better offense.

[subtle bluff]

Again I have done both.

[shy willow]

I've been playing the game for like 3 years and tested everything myself

[short verge]

im here with my fruit basket of frozen sliced fruits and enjoying myself rn

[shy willow]

People have done everything you have done and decided red cores are better

[onyx sage]

or hear me out, you can learn more about how the game works, the mechanics, the math, and fact check everything we say instead of going absolutely mental and seeing everything as conspiracy theories

a wild thought, but hear me out

[subtle bluff]

maybe listen showing that we do know what he's talking about...

[hexed steppe]

everyone playing nice?

[rich lotus]

That’s nice again we’re arguing over something so nuanced. 💀 my build can personally hit just as hard as I need it to. Stacks or not and still has enough armor to get out of hairy situations why not take that over a build that hits slightly harder and gets beamed in 3 seconds.

[shy willow]

Sir I can't clear solo legendary with pvgc trash bill

[shy willow]

You're saying as hard as you need it to now but earlier you were equating them

[rich lotus]

No one’s going mental I find this conversation hilarious 😂

[shy willow]

If it does whatever you need it to that's fine

[solar sable]

damn it's still going

[lone glacier]

Of course localduckdeck

[cerulean smelt]

apparently

[solar sable]

Sir MortarGod for you 😠 /j

[flint arch]

hi sir please answer me why i keep dying with pvgc striker sir

[solar sable]

because you need blue

[shy willow]

I hev same issue build brocken

[solar sable]

God...

[flint arch]

of course sir

wait doesn't PGC negate 60% of your armor

[lone glacier]

need nbb to not die /s

[rich lotus]

All in context . Objectively speaking if I only spec Into red core run no regen, no AOK and run no gunner spec it’s going to be worse than a hybrid tank. Again when you run a full red build and add those things and use decent evading and maneuvering obviously you’ll out damage the one guy will tank more you’ll do more damage that’s the nature of the builds again I’ve already stated that’s what I’m addressing not full reds with AOk, gunner or regen to compensate

[hexed steppe]

a lot better than what people used to say 20ish years ago 😉

[onyx sage]

i'm not interested in circular conversations. if you can post your gameplay or anything that we can more holistically and objectively measure, that's some better ground to stand on. but right now frankly your words are baseless.

come back later if you have more evidence to share. i have mine and they're all up there. feel free to peruse

[hexed steppe]

anyways, is someone able to tag the build being discussed, its lost somewhere

[shy willow]

It's not worse though... Dien has mentioned this before but legendary spawns are fixed it's all about memory and skill

[lone glacier]

I read duck at first so I just went with it

[rich lotus]

Idk , my striker build has 2 million armor and while weak hits for 500k to 600k enough to kill enough to survive when running solo 😂

[shy willow]

Skilled runners use all red because it's faster and they don't need the armour

[cerulean smelt]

don't think a build was posted. just theory Hybrid is better than all red core

[subtle bluff]

I mean up to herioc solo almost anything is viable. Even only a 1 red core build.....

So to your point....

[rich lotus]

Again I even stated I’m talking about new players who get told one thing hop in endgame content and aren’t properly guided. That takes the argument of memory out of the game as they aren’t even properly min maxed which is why i believe if you’re a newer player you should have more survivability.

[hexed steppe]

especially if running nego 😎

[rich lotus]

I do agree with you on that

[shy willow]

magneto perfection

[cerulean smelt]

it's how i was taught when a player took me under his wing

[rich lotus]

Why do you hate the ninja bike I’m genuinely curious lol

[rich lotus]

Well good on you and him but that’s not the majority of new players unfortunately

[shy willow]

I don't think any of us hate it

[subtle bluff]

and I mean only 1 red core... No other cores.

[cerulean smelt]

what do you think of turmoil?

[shy willow]

Just hate when it's recommended like it's better than any other option

Funny piece for funny builds but not effective ones

[rich lotus]

Depends on context I don’t run it because in my opinion it sucks

[subtle bluff]

Jump off since we can't run with him and he can't show us something that's proof of what he says and can do.
I left most of my stuff up there.

[rich lotus]

Oh I saw the name and was wondering because I’ve gotten like 30 of them I didn’t know if it was because they are common to get or just a joke.

[cerulean smelt]

that's why noone really likes ninja bag. you lose a backpack talent which powers up your build over adding 2-3 piece that adds some damage or survivability

[shy willow]

An argument so unconstructive even dien and chow bowed out😭

[hexed steppe]

😂

[rich lotus]

That’s understandable

[hexed steppe]

and they like challenges the most 😔

[flint arch]

You know things are really bad when two of our most helpful members bail out

[cerulean smelt]

you tell people turmoil drops your damage by 50% they're like no it transfers your damage by 50% 😹

[rich lotus]

Yea again the argument started of early I was solely speaking to new players who are mislead into believing you don’t need any AOK or regen or gunner only 700k armor and you’re good to go again I don’t believe lumping all red builds into the same category again because there are many nuances to go into however I’m speaking to the small percentage of players who only run red core only run gear sets for damage no armor on kill no regen no gunner spec which is not common but it happens

[shy willow]

I mean technically this is true

Same damage across two targets but it severely hurts your single target dps

[rich lotus]

If it worked as it was thought to work it would be nice

[cerulean smelt]

they haven't fixed that yet have they?

[shy willow]

At least on nego it spreads up to 3 with increased damage on the transfer and better single target damage

[subtle bluff]

Oh wait I forgot solo Heroic CD....

[shy willow]

Where's cyrlo with his torture runs

[cerulean smelt]

then you have me running Nego with turmoil, because why not? 😹

[cerulean smelt]

bailed out long before anything 😹

[flint arch]

Is that goddamned solo Heroic countdown???

[rich lotus]

Turmoil might work with the right tweaking and build but I don’t recommend it to newer players for sure

[shy willow]

Oh wait that is cyrlo

[cerulean smelt]

just say i was bored and decided to put it together. not hating the build though

maining Merciless if you can believe it 😹

[subtle bluff]

I haven't sat down to do it. The 2 timers were to help with theorycrafting

[subtle bluff]

I have a clip of trying to use it....

[rich lotus]

Again I’m not doubting your ability with your builds you’ve demonstrated a clear knowledge of how it works I’m referring to the average new player base who hear only red and they hop in heroic with no AOK, regen, anything and get melted then they go down the rabbit whole of trying every build in the game and eventually get bored. Whereas you have stated the guides clearly direct them into the right path of what to do again that’s awesome. Im simply stating when I play on my build with 2 mil armor high crit damage it’s refreshing to be able to run around and not lose my armor without having to rely on my mechanics or memory or skill it’s a nice alternative playstyle. Whereas on my all reds I hit incredibly hard however if I’m not on point with my aim or mechanics I’m getting 💩 on. It’s just the reality of the game. For the average player who simply wants to run and gun maybe average skill having more armor and survivability plays into their favor because they have more armor to fall back on to get out of hairy situations.

[true elk]

@rich lotus what should i get in 3rd attribut ?

[hexed steppe]

i mean, you dont need any of that.... just like you dont need any of that on a skill damage build. its a positioning issue if youre constantly taking damage. slapping blue cores, pfe, regen, or building into aok is just a bandaid for the real issue... this game was never intended for one to facetank. we strive here to get to the real issues causing problems with a build, even if its a pebkac issue

[subtle bluff]

There some much said together in there.....

[flint arch]

damage to targets out of cover

[true elk]

is it the to go for every weapon for the 3 rd attribut ?

[flint arch]

yes, except for LMGs which want CHC

[subtle bluff]

Ok.. And I just showed a build like that that did that and there are guides for that.
Plz stop saying what per bullet dmg you can do but a DPS number.
There's a balance but in the things need to die. In group play imo it's show affect the battlefield the most is an effective player.

I've taught too many players. Teaching that dmg is king is important but yes playing whatever work and is effective is good too.

[hexed steppe]

600k on m1a classic 🤔

[rich lotus]

Again while I agree when you’re playing group content that’s scaled and there are multiple elites and you’re tank isn’t properly pulling Aggro because most don’t you’re going to die in a few bullets vs having armor to reposition. No amount of skill can replace the fact that if you find yourself in a hairy situation you need a “bandaid” to get out of it. Unless you’re playing on challenging or running off of pure memory and mechanics which with random matchmaking is hard then what’s the point of doing all the damage I’m sorry but if I go into an heroic countdown or run a raid or run anything endgame for that matter while yes you can always do your best to be in a good position there are those small percentages of unpredictability that you may get melted. Again a dead DPS is no DPS , what if you go down , no revive hive in group content and because you have no survivability you caused the run to fail? I’m not saying you can’t use skill to never get hit but there will be those instances you do go down no one’s is 100% perfect things will happen and on that instance more armor would’ve helped plus I enjoy being able to face tank elites and also kill them at the same time. The difference is all red is cover shooting running and gunning through cover unless you hit hard enough to kill in one bullet but again group scaled content lol vs with armor you can run and gun and kill and not have to worry about staying in cover.

Naturally you have more survivability with blue , naturally you have more damage with red two different play styles I’ve played both they both work

[hexed steppe]

tanks dont pull aggro , damage pulls aggro

[flint arch]

first of all your tank isn't pulling aggro because you can't pull aggro like you'd expect in a MMO in this game

[hazy steeple]

It's best not to think of div2 as an MMO, if I'm being 100% honest.

[cerulean smelt]

sure we'll have 3 things that does "Threat" but it's still not enough for this game. a red glass cannon user still gets all the threat 😹

[cerulean smelt]

3rd item in PTS atm, supposedly generates 100% threat

[shy willow]

Nego players are essentially a mobile overcharged decoy

[subtle bluff]

"the peek-boo" threat

[cerulean smelt]

love it, i'll refer to it as such 😹

[flint arch]

also by the way, often times when you manage to pin someone down with your bullets, they'll stagger, meaning they can't shoot back at you easily

[subtle bluff]

Trying to think of some movie that.

I know like Stargate there's a few. Guy comes kills someone agro everyyone then hides.

[hexed steppe]

found that out when i swapped to nego from highend. i should be dead constantly using the above logic. i use nego glass a lot and pretty much always run random mm for w/e

[rich lotus]

Exactly my point so why rely on a tank when you can play a tank hybrid do damage and survive

[hexed steppe]

you actually dont need armor if you have other methods of building space from npcs.... first method being situational awareness ofc. having a way to stagger stuff is a nice bonus too. shield and revive exist also as a backup for building space or getting up

[rich lotus]

Yea obviously in a traditional MMO there’s something called threat, you spec into threat presence to pull agro

[hexed steppe]

point is, if you teach new agents bad habits, they stay bad agents

teaching them to survive without the bs opens up their ability to really explore builds... the guides are to get new agents right
*with strong builds

post your build so it can be poked

[tawny blaze]

anything i can do to make heroic cps easier?

[rich lotus]

Exactly my point 😂 “shield, revive hide” I’m not speaking to that I’m speaking to a fully average player playing with no regen, AOk, no gunner , no revive hide no shield because it happens they get melted and wonder why someone with twice their armor bar is saving their butt constantly again not talking about someone who knows the game. I would also reiterate while you can in essence run off memory and control the game with mechanics and skill one mis click one hairy situation and your sub 1 mil armor build will go down in 1 burst. It has and can happen whereas I’m always prepared for that having extra armor and still doing damage

[flint arch]

there are a lot of problems with this build that it would be easier if i just gave you the guides.
Snipers are the easiest way to deal with level 4 control points
If you want to stick with Striker, here's a detailed guide on Striker

[hexed steppe]

post the build

[shy willow]

I'm genuinely curious to actually see this tank hybrid

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[short verge]

lets start with what weapon you'd like to use, striker is for sure not the gear set to be using with snipers, much less a 3pc

[tired vapor]

can you get lefty from countdown?

[hexed steppe]

fr, its a lot of talking for something that has yet to be evaluated properly

[subtle bluff]

It's been kind of the same thought but kind of w/e at this point it's soo long winded.

[flint arch]

took me a while to realize w/e meant "whatever"

[tawny blaze]

prob snipers i hear its an easy way to get through cps but it doesnt really matter to me also i dont have overdogs yet

[cerulean smelt]

don't worry it caught me too 😹

[flint arch]

imagine if its some iKia techtank build

[shy willow]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

welcome to chowiees

[flint arch]

you don't need overdogs, you can just run ceska gloves for striker or hotshot gloves for sniper

[short verge]

okay, good start, but what are you personally comfortable with using?

[hexed steppe]

im sure it woulda been posted already with a namedrop

[tawny blaze]

i have a pretty good lexington and dw i used to use alot and i can really play anything this is just my first time trying to get an actual build

[tawny blaze]

my least favorite out of everything rn is the dw but i dont mind it at all

[short verge]

ah, good, then you could fully lean into strikers, get that 4pc, and then take a look at what exotics you can pair with your 4pc striker

and then you can take a look at the build documents to see what else you can vibe with

here's the page for striker: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

[hexed steppe]

im gonna hazard its a typical pfe. no aggro because no real damage, and having to pick everyone up because only 3/4 agents were doing damage and instead of a support, they had a brick

[short verge]

key thought here is that: figure out what you vibe with personally on lower difficulties, then skim across the build spreadsheets for what fits your personal vibe

[rich lotus]

Not that hard my friend, 4 piece striker , armor for the core crit hit damage and only crit hit chance is the holster, SK chest piece with intimidate for bonus up close armor and SMG damage, main SMG is OB, BP is memento I’m constantly being over shielded. 2 mil base armor , 1mil in extra armor with everything going. 59% crit hit chance , 130% crit hit damage. Am able to hit for 400k plus crit reliably and the kicker is no matter how stupid I play I never go down because of all my armor. Melt elites, never die. Funny thing is it’s a copy and pasted build and it works without any spread sheet stuff