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[cloud sorrel]

and i would go for the first one

[grand girder]

reload the gun after 3 kills

[cloud sorrel]

i'm using an M870 Express on mine,but idk if it is still the go to or if there are better shotguns nowadays

[grand girder]

m870 is still king from what I know

[cloud sorrel]

i'm able to do the lincoln memorial with full directives on heroic between 4:30 and 5 minutes still, so i would say it is still good x)

[grand girder]

I also have a fun tinkerer build with 2 of them 1 with brazen and 1 with pummel makes for a fun combo

[cloud sorrel]

i'm using a memento on my lincoln memorial run build, but i might try tinkerer actually

i would have to swap my chest piece tho .. dk if it would be worth it

i still can't believe i missed the lexington, i chose to came back to the game 1 week after the occasion to get it x)

[pearl marten]

would pummel be better than intimidate then

[grand girder]

pummel is the shotgun talent, intimidate is chest

[pearl marten]

ohh

[rich stag]

Just returned to the Divsion 2 after 3 years. I got this at United Ironworks on Master. Any build advice for it

[thick meteor]

only build i can think of is strikers, and I mean, its a shotgun with great accuracy and stats, so it can be used in strikers. i'm not good with builds, so sorry

[livid sorrel]

that's just not true

could probably do some weird stacking then swapping to it for damage but it's just not worth it over just running headhunter hunter's fury or something

[quasi siren]

It’s good with heartbreakers since it’s got a weird stack

[summer totem]

Anyone got an LMG AR build for memento?

Rn im using striker 4 pc with memento

[gray marsh]

either one exotic? or are they legendary

[summer totem]

Chameleon and Cricket

Open to changing for suggested build

[gray marsh]

both are lwk solid tbh

[quasi siren]

Full red core striker with equalizer for perfect ob you can run gear shift or the big Alejandro ar id run strega or Elmo’s

[summer totem]

Equalizer memento and 4 piece striker? What a coincidence I'm using that right now

[gray marsh]

full red strikers is prob your best bet i run that with unit alloys for the 50% mag boost

[quasi siren]

It’s my fav build rn

[rich stag]

What about Hunter's Fury

[quasi siren]

Yeah but you’d have to run shield

[summer totem]

Alr i guess I'll stay with this build, i dont have max red striker stats yet

Should i use shield and revive?

[quasi siren]

Max red makes a big difference with that build ngl

[summer totem]

Noted

[quasi siren]

Depends on how you play tbh

[thick meteor]

tbf, I have never build crafted without looking at the docs, or a video, most of the time i just use one that I can easily replicate

[summer totem]

Fair

[quasi siren]

I run ox sheild for the armor strip to do more dps

[livid sorrel]

still though, if you don't know much you can't exactly give out advice

[thick meteor]

Is 2 blues good for a striker build? I use 2 main blues so I can have some more armor because I suck lol

[thick meteor]

My bad, won't do it again

[grand girder]

can be when paired with memento, adds to shield health

any more than 2 and you're just harming yourself more than needed

[thick meteor]

I might move over to ODs when I get them, since everyone is saying its meta

I have been grinding for the ODs, since everyone says its good

[hazy steeple]

Don't worry too much about it, everyone started out at a base level of "i don't know what is even happening", and after a while you'll just start to click.

[summer totem]

Oh yeah, can anyone drop a decent drone turret build for memento?

[livid sorrel]

that's the typical shotgun gear set

[grand girder]

Sorry I don't play skill builds so I'm useless on that one

[summer totem]

Holding down mouse with striker build kinda gets boring and i wanna try other playstyle

[livid sorrel]

#td2-build-advice message

[summer totem]

Thanks

Will now farm

[rich stag]

Thanks for the help boys and girls🤝👍

[lament reef]

You could try holding down mouse with negotiators, or holding down mouse with hunter’s fury, or holding down mouse with ongoing directive, or tipping scales, or….

[junior lagoon]

or you can switch to controller

[neon zealot]

may i recommend you holding down mouse 1 with tipping scales instead?

[flint arch]

PGC will make any DPS build that needs you to hold the mouse button down fun

[tulip charm]

The prototype system already hurts my brain 💀

[earnest wyvern]

Hey guys I’m a returning player and I just hit level 40 and played summit a couple times to get a set of striker. Is countdown the best place to try and farm a good ar for the build? What should I be looking for?

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide

[earnest wyvern]

Appreciate it

[olive dew]

best mods for white death

[rich cosmos]

Beacon applies to all allies near you right?

[unreal remnant]

any good liquid engineer builds? Just got it from a named crate

[subtle bluff]

Not really. YouTubers over hype them.

[unreal remnant]

was going to pair LE with Catharsis

[subtle bluff]

I’ve it one time didn’t feel anything special from it never turned back

[subtle bluff]

So you’re gonna get bonus and then if you get heals from catharsis that won’t heal you since you have bonus armor

[unreal remnant]

good point

[subtle bluff]

If you’re eating that many bullets there something going wrong too.

[unreal remnant]

I hate hugging walls and shields bore me

[junior lagoon]

do you have eagle bearer?

[subtle bluff]

Part of the game

[slim sorrel]

wassup team, whats the current meta build for oneshots with 1886 or diamondback?

[unreal remnant]

yes I have EB

I use an EB build with harrier

[subtle bluff]

You don’t need to hug a wall. But using cover is good.

[solar sable]

2pc Breaking Point, Chainkiller, The Gift, Overdogs and Fox's

[civic meteor]

I think I’m sticking with my backfire build uh what am I going to do with my secondary?

[frail halo]

So for hotshot build what’s the ideal number in shooting for on headshot damage I’m currently at 306% and some change is that enough or should I try and get more

[solar sable]

enough

[frail halo]

Ok

[unreal remnant]

going to give that a try thanks

[subtle bluff]

I dislike that striker chest so much for normal PvE..

[junior lagoon]

let me know how it goes. LE helps you if you miss headshots

[solar sable]

you ideally want 150%+ since Chainkiller asks for it

[subtle bluff]

I know it works for now… But also EB isn’t a great DPS weapon

[junior lagoon]

yeah ou of necessity because you wabt LE and overdogs and heartbreaker is bugged

[unreal remnant]

wahts the ble on your LE? Hazard pro?

[solar sable]

so if you go higher than that your first shot will be powerful enough to kill a purple enemy

[junior lagoon]

no armor regen

[subtle bluff]

HB isn’t really bugged just stacks for pulse isn’t simple.

[unreal remnant]

I have hazard pro on mine. Should I swap it out?

[subtle bluff]

I’d much rather have obli chest over overdogs and striker chest

[civic meteor]

Can someone send me uh assult rifle guide?

[junior lagoon]

up to you but this build needs it because youa retaking damage

[subtle bluff]

There isn’t a guide to just AR, LMG or SMG

Other than MMR’s most DPS build are for almost weapon.

[subtle bluff]

Small amount hazpro is fairly useless.

[solar sable]

I have a build that uses Liquid Engineer but it requires both crits on it

[unreal remnant]

Yea I was going to swap it out with crit damage

[subtle bluff]

Run HF then btw

[warped crypt]

For a run and gun, hunter fury smg build, what’s the meta smg weapon?

[subtle bluff]

SMG9 or Tac Vector 9mm w/killer

Kill bot plz

[unreal remnant]

report and ban this scammer

[smoky latch]

@patent fossil

[solar sable]

imagine falling for phishing links in the big 26

[mint axle]

well, I still sad for not claiming the free Iphone 20

[flint arch]

but what if i need to give a gift card to the bank of amer1ca to reclaim my missing 5 million dollars sir

[smoky latch]

With how many leaks discord has had recently it doesn't have to be a phishing link

[civic meteor]

Is a 10k worth of damage increase worth sacrificing 170k armour

[onyx sage]

what's the actual stat change? 15% weapon damage?

[flint arch]

going full red is always worth it

[onyx sage]

10k damage doesn't mean much if you're going from 10k -> 20k vs say 199k -> 200k

[civic meteor]

Like 10% weapon damage to 15% vs 170k armour

It only increases my total weapon damage by like 7k actually lol

[onyx sage]

it's like always worth taking more damage because you can mitigate damage taken to not need armor

[civic meteor]

True

[flint arch]

a lower TTK means you get hit less because enemies die faster

[civic meteor]

Right

What’s the best named assult rifle

[flint arch]

Lexington, but you can't get it as of now

Police M4 is only slightly behind it (Lexington is better by 4% base damage), and St. Elmo's will be worse than Police M4 because of a lack of a damage talent, but it has a large mag size, good crit stats and occasional CC

[civic meteor]

Did they say it’d be open in the future?

[flint arch]

It comes back occasionally in seasonal/stretch goals caches

[civic meteor]

Anywhere I can see when so I can plan for it?

[flint arch]

Not really

[civic meteor]

Sad

Having the Lexington and the Backfire would be a fire build

[grand girder]

can confirm it is nice

[junior lagoon]

i use st elmo over lexington in almost all builds

[civic meteor]

Oh?

[junior lagoon]

lexington is nice but it is not something insanely powerful

st elmos has larger mag size and shock effect which helps alot to me

i guess better players prefer lexington but i love st elmo more

i can't kill a guy with one mag of lexington and he gets away while i reload

[onyx sage]

i don't use lexington in most content either

but i also don't really speedrun, mostly doing challenges, elmo is more reliable for me because the only really good talent for lexington is killer, which i don't like using

elmo feels better for me just from the extra handling mod it has

[dense roost]

oh no it happened

@flint arch

[visual depot]

best attribute for st elmos?

[smoky latch]

DTOC

[onyx sage]

damage to target out of cover/dttooc

[visual depot]

thx!

[echo herald]

@dense roost That's the backpack that I use and I really like it for the damage talents

[visual depot]

worth using? ST Elmos

[onyx sage]

just fyi it doesn't beat an actual backpack damage talent

[onyx sage]

it's worth using until you can reroll it, imo you should get a second elmo and reroll either of them until you get one with dttooc

rate of fire isn't a bad attribute otherwise to use for now

[junior lagoon]

ninja backpack is good in pvp umbra builds. easy to build and really powerful

[onyx sage]

yeah it's really relevant in pvp

[visual depot]

how to reroll?

[onyx sage]

buy reconfiguration blueprint from inaya and reroll at crafting table

[flint arch]

free exo component

okay, NBB has two applications and one of them is PVP, but if you only do PVE, NBB will just hurt you

[timid token]

Wanna do new escalation mode when cross play come out

[mint axle]

cross play will not come with escalation unfortunately.

[timid token]

Dam

[flint arch]

but I'm bad at the game sir

[ivory abyss]

I know he’s made content for division for ages but I’m curious on opinions of this build like if it’s just a clickbait build or is this actually good for legendary pve and below

[flint arch]

I need @solar sable to carry me

[flint arch]

Jesus christ what the hell is this

[timid token]

Nah I’m bad at the game don’t know what u talking about

[ivory abyss]

Patrick wolfe lol he said it’s the best pve build he’s used in ages and can clear anything including solo or group legendary

[flint arch]

It's the best way to get bonus armor and still die in legendary

While doing basically no damage

[junior lagoon]

what weapon is that?

[ivory abyss]

Blue screen lmg

[smoky latch]

Bluescreen, Lefty and Orbit

[flint arch]

They're not even using LLP

[junior lagoon]

i use a bluscreen build with dilemna and overdogs. all re. love it in group play

[ivory abyss]

So what build would I be looking at for legendary in groups or solo with the tempest involved

[flint arch]

you're not doing much with an automatic pistol, especially in a group

just use standard striker

[smoky latch]

Tempest is fun but mid in terms of damage

[ivory abyss]

I saw some bulwark builds they seemed cool lol just trying to get a few things that aren’t striker lol

[junior lagoon]

Ikia has a tempest techtank build. nevet tired so i dont know

[flint arch]

It's only good for like, max directive summit clearing, but that's about it

[junior lagoon]

probably

[pearl marten]

best way to farm optimization materials?

[solar sable]

I can barely carry my bag

[bright raptor]

you use the spreadsheet's version of Heartbreaker. The linked laser pointer and weapons that accept it is key to making Heartbreaker work

[smoky latch]

This is my Summit Tempest build for 7-9 directives.
#td2-build-advice message

Outside of that I personally don't run it

[ivory abyss]

Also blue screen isn’t good? Or was just that build not good. Because I saw some division streamer soloing legendary and they were using blue screen.

[bright raptor]

the build is no good, use the spreadsheet version

[flint arch]

Bluescreen is good, but this is the wrong build for it

[junior lagoon]

bluscreen is my favorite weapon

[bright raptor]

Bluescreen is very good, just not with that build

[ivory abyss]

What build makes good use of it I would like to make it

[flint arch]

Negotiator's Dilemma has especially good synergy with it

But really you can put it on Striker or something and it'll work, you can also fire a sticky bomb into the air to quickly CC enemies

[bright raptor]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uC1ZYSegDfj5s9hrkZJUo7Z4FeMTjgKgZ1L6MqVj_Kg/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.pz36nbhqgtqb

[fleet gulch]

Generally speaking, what mix of skill haste and skill damage is preferred for a skill build, for example Refactor? What's something that works for both turret/drone and seeker mine/sticky bomb?

[junior lagoon]

bluescreen unleashed

[smoky latch]

Every piece skill damage. Mods all skill haste. Seeker and sticky don't go well with Refactor

You're the first person wanting to use it that way

[ivory abyss]

I like this

[smoky latch]

You'd need dedicated builds for those two skills to be effective

[bright raptor]

*first person you've met

but as was probably about to be mentioned Hard Wired is much better for the seeker + sticky combo

[smoky latch]

Running them with Refactor won't help you nor your team, if you read the gearset's description

[fleet gulch]

I can't really see how those two would be terrible or useless with Refactor if that's what you're saying.

[smoky latch]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Did you fully read and understand that gearset's talent?

[fleet gulch]

In my own experience, a single sticky bomb is enough to fully restore my armor if it lands on a single enemy even, and it's significantly faster than burning an armor kit.

[smoky latch]

Even if you put skill haste on all gear pieces, not only will you be hit with diminishing returns of skill haste but your armor repair will also be too inconsistent

[fickle peak]

build question/ ongoing directive/ contactors gloves/ obliterate/ minor attributes are all status effects/ using pestilence. i like it, what would you change tho. fairly new to the game. thnx

[smoky latch]

You want turret and drone because they deal continuously damage and trigger the armor repair, with Refactor

[bright raptor]

crit chance and then crit damage over status effects, although mine is also still on status effects

[fleet gulch]

I realize that, so I mainly run drone + sticky more often than not. With that in mind, if you absolutely must optimize skill haste and skill damage using those two skills, would it still be all damage on gear and all haste on mods?

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

Yesterday I link you twice to a really good Refactor setup and gave suggestions to a small adjustment because we now have a perfect Kinetic Momentum chest piece

[fleet gulch]

I don't know off the top of my head what those talents do, especially the chest, weapon, and backpack you linked.

[somber wolf]

can anyone help me find a good regen/big hp pvp build for me and my friend to do DZ without getting slammed by stinkies

[smoky latch]

Naval even named them for you, all you need to do is look up what they do

[fleet gulch]

I tried, but the wiki doesn't have pages for those exact items.

[smoky latch]

One last time:

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18s3Gr5fZ3DvuA55xeBSyc_2SIusmfMULotivkSfs4xQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

Also, look in the top right corner, all talents are mentioned.

F the wiki, check in-game or use https://buildstation.app/ to check

[halcyon meadow]

Ehat are some good tech based cyan armor class…stuff. I don’t know what they’re called

I got the sea horse one and I’m in love with it right now

[subtle bluff]

Gearset..... High end. Its next to the type

[subtle bluff]

Gearsheet

[fleet gulch]

Thanks. Followup, is combined arms significantly better than the backpack talent that increases skill damage for like 20s when your skill gets a kill?

[halcyon meadow]

I just call them cyans

[misty fjord]

wheres united ironworks?

[smoky latch]

No, it just allows for a more active playstyle. If you use a Glass Cannon chest however you will benefit more from that talent due to increased weapon damage. Tech support works just fine tho

[subtle bluff]

Good for you. It’ll confuse everyone due to colorblind modes. So keep up.

[subtle bluff]

It’s about uptime.

[fleet gulch]

Also, is the chest piece in your drawing or Imperus otherwise better than giving up the increase armor heal from the Refactor chest?

[smoky latch]

That too

Impetus and Force Multiplier (Perfect Combined Arms) also work

Impetus and Tech Support works

[subtle bluff]

You do enough reading without chest. The thought is if you do more dmg you heal ore but also if you do more things die faster..

[fleet gulch]

My thing is that I mostly play solo, so the only healing I have is from Refactor. That's why I liked sticky bomb as I said earlier, it's emergency full armor heal without using a kit.

[halcyon meadow]

I love refractor

[zenith plover]

Hi guys returning player, what would be a good skill build?

[smoky latch]

Then the setup I linked via Google doc is just fine for you but keep the suggestions I made above in mind as an alternative. I think, not sure rn, Impetus and Force Multiplier deal a little more damage

[subtle bluff]

Then you’d do less dmg overall

If you need that much healing there something else wrong.

[fleet gulch]

Enemies target me instead of the drone, that's really about it I think.

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[smoky latch]

If you want a really relaxed and 'safe' play style, use Tech Support on your backpack. Since you're solo anyways it's fine

[subtle bluff]

What skills

[subtle bluff]

You mean afk?

[smoky latch]

Kind of 😄

[subtle bluff]

Has you go into harder content you’ll hit a dmg wall of things not dying fast enough and getting overran

[fleet gulch]

Different question, is protection from elites considered one of the more desirable mods, all things considered?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[smoky latch]

Niche

[subtle bluff]

Mostly no..

[fleet gulch]

Interesting, is it not auto-include even for tanky builds?

[zenith plover]

Damage skills like drone mortar etc

[flint arch]

it is used in tank builds, but tanks are very not useful in this game

[subtle bluff]

This is what high end game play looks like. Well.. Other than being reckless…

[subtle bluff]

Be specific skills are very different between each other unlike weapons

[zenith plover]

Drone mortar to be specific

[subtle bluff]

Drone and Mortar?

[zenith plover]

The drone and the deployable turret i mean

[subtle bluff]

……….

Which drone and which turret…

[willow sigil]

can i use this for anything?

maybe a 2pc of it with something?

[subtle bluff]

IMO not really but also not with those rolls.

[zenith plover]

Artillery turret and striker drone

[subtle bluff]

Hazpro and status effects do nothing for any build for that talent

[smoky latch]

Extract into your library. Best use

[subtle bluff]

His is max already

[willow sigil]

theres nothing to extract from it, its either keep or trash

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Mortar guide

[smoky latch]

My bad, didn't see on mobile

[willow sigil]

i just trash it then

[zenith plover]

Got it thanks

[lament reef]

i like keeping one of each named in stash but otherwise expertise donate or dismantle

[willow sigil]

im not one for hoarding

[west shore]

Hi guys been away from the game couple years. Looking for 2 builds. 1 skill damage build for drone/turret other build for 1 shot build. Any advice?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > Sheet 2 > Build Hub

Refactor and Hotshot (sniper in the hub)

[coral reef]

Mr Chow are you back in the game? We need you analyzing stuff in overdrive, too much stuff next season

[fickle peak]

hey let me drop a SS, how does look for a status build?

[flint arch]

Bad

[fickle peak]

i was using creeping death but wicked feels better

[flint arch]

You do not run status effects with Ongoing Directive, bleed is weak

[fickle peak]

i'm new help

[dense dock]

hey guys, when it comes to a hotshot sniper build. What snipers are best to use? SR1? SRS? I imagine the nemesis is the end goal but I'm just starting fresh after a long hiatus

[flint arch]

Treat OD more as a DPS with support capabilities

[fickle peak]

ah ok that makes since

[flint arch]

Follow this OD guide

[coral reef]

also, Pestilence ticks are not a status effect, its a debuff, has nothing to do with Ondoing Directive

[flint arch]

I didn't even notice the Pesti lmao

[fickle peak]

that i did know, just like the gun

[flint arch]

Pestilence will be ass with OD BTW, the base damage is low and the ticks will be weak without any weapon damage

[fickle peak]

gotcha, that blue lmg good then ?

[flint arch]

Bluescreen works

[fickle peak]

sadist would work better tho i' ASSUMING

[flint arch]

Yes

[fickle peak]

thanx ill check the guide outy

[smoky latch]

You should try OD with Tinkerer and rifles. Slaps hard

[subtle bluff]

I'll be getting on the PTS

[flint arch]

Also use Banshee Pulse or anything that inflicts a status effect

[fickle peak]

bet ty

[flint arch]

Makes it easier to proc OD effect and get hollow point ammo

Note that pulsing on its own is NOT a status effect

[misty fjord]

can i get the ruin mask on any difficulty?

[subtle bluff]

Only master

[misty fjord]

ah ok ty

[flint arch]

I need you to give me my opinion on prototypes sir

[subtle bluff]

Murr

[fickle peak]

its coming together

[flint arch]

why does your chest have a blue core

you're not even running a shield to get any benefit out of it

change it back to red

[fickle peak]

i'm trying here man haha

[flint arch]

eh I just get jumpy when I see people use blue cores

[fickle peak]

i swapped it for a max red and max crit chance

[flint arch]

it's mostly a me thing really, I play not just with full red, but I use PGC all the time

[fickle peak]

PGC ?

[flint arch]

Perfect Glass Cannon

30% damage amp in exchange for 60% more damage received

[fickle peak]

i gotcha, if they dead they cant hurt you

[flint arch]

it's actually not better than equalizer (perfect obliterate) by that much

[fickle peak]

this event got me at chance/dmg - 80/117

[flint arch]

I use it because I have a big ego and I want bragging rights

[flint arch]

at least you acknowledge the overdrive lol

[fickle peak]

i haventy done ALL my homework, but some

[flint arch]

By the way, a Ceska backpack with Wicked is a better option

[manic bough]

What deals more damage if all attributes are the same and maxed out and expertise rank is the same - elmo or lexington with killer?

[flint arch]

If you're more confident in your ability to not get hit, you can use Vigilance

[flint arch]

Lexington

[solar sable]

Lexi

[manic bough]

gotcha! thanks!

[solar sable]

I mean you don't have to think deeply about it, just look at their talents

[shut kindle]

Also lexi is better because streamline

[cobalt nexus]

what is the current meta build , iam currrently running CP with the new LMG

[solar sable]

Who tf uses Streamline as a main? It's bad

[shut kindle]

42% extra damage if i dont die? sign me up

[solar sable]

that's not how Streamline works

[flint arch]

The talent description is wrong

[solar sable]

for LMGs? Strikers or Tipping Scales

[flint arch]

There's a lot of incorrect text in the game, and this one is an especially egregious one

[cobalt nexus]

okay ty

[shut kindle]

Wym its wrong?

[flint arch]

It is not as strong as the description makes it sound like

It is worse than other options like Killer and Measured

And also, Streamline will go away not just on skill cooldown, but when a skill is active

[shut kindle]

Thats fine, I dont use skills, theyre garbage

[manic bough]

Is the generic striker setup still the same with lexington? striker mask,back,knee,holster with equalizer and overdogs?

[flint arch]

Skills aren't garbage even if you're going full red, but even then it's still worse than Killer/Measured

[solar sable]

yes

[manic bough]

thanks!

[shut kindle]

not by ikia spreadsheet

[fickle peak]

off to farm a ceska backpack o7

[foggy imp]

For the Alejandro is crit chance the best third slot since it comes with absolutely nothing lol

[solar sable]

CHC for any LMG

[flint arch]

okay after checking it seems that streamline is indeed better than measured on average, but it's still worse than killer

[subtle bluff]

Yes but no having skills limit you

Self nerfing one way or another

[flint arch]

The humble decoy:

[subtle bluff]

I really really wish they fix the text on streamline

Or at least add the text for it

CD or in use

[manic bough]

If a new player would start out with a striker build and you wanna get him a weapon - which one should that player go for? Police M4 or Carbine or Exotics like Elmo or Strega?

[solar sable]

saying skills are useless is... a skill issue

[flint arch]

police m4

[subtle bluff]

Any weapon with +790 rpm w/DTTooC and Killer, Measured if not solo

[flint arch]

this implies revive hive usage

[subtle bluff]

More shield too

[smoky latch]

The average player thinks they gain a real additional 42% WD, saying "it's worth".

[fickle peak]

@flint arch OH DEAR GOD this is a BEAST in comparison to what i was doing

blue is hitting for 1.2

[flint arch]

do keep in mind that redline overdrive is active

[solar sable]

"hold my beer"

[fickle peak]

dont have the ceska yet, yeah, but pest was hitting at 300k with overdrive on so BIG jump

[flint arch]

my slapped together OD build from like 1 run of countdown was able to comfortably clear heroic solo so that should say something

[stark marsh]

so what DOES streamline actually do, since nobody seemingly answers that other than "it's actually not what it says"

[ivory abyss]

They do exist

[solar sable]

42% WD when a skill is not active or in cooldown

[stark marsh]

ok, so the distinction is that the skills can't be active or cooldown, not just "aren't on cooldown". the number's the same still?

[smoky latch]

Here is a really good explanation that should still be valid

[stark marsh]

oh excellent thanks

[subtle bluff]

OD is great.

[subtle bluff]

It’s not on CD or in use

[fickle peak]

got lucky! @flint arch

[subtle bluff]

It’s in there patch notes but they didn’t put it in game

[flint arch]

not worth optimizing but you can use it for now

[fickle peak]

i appreciate all the advice for sure

[stark marsh]

so in short it's worse because it's additive to all your other "weapon damage" sources and thus represents a smaller gain than other terms that would otherwise be multiplicative like chd
yeah?

[flint arch]

as long you don't use ninjabike bag we're happy to help

[flint arch]

yes

[fickle peak]

hahahahaa

[smoky latch]

Yes, and you gimp yourself because you cannot use skills

[stark marsh]

i use nbb on my headhunter build because i can't get a goddang roll on a backpack and i cry everyday

[flint arch]

hey, as long you acknowledge it's the worse option you're good

[smoky latch]

Oh is this an updated version of your older one?

[subtle bluff]

nope

When it’s updated it’ll look much different

[smoky latch]

I'm sharing this one usually, didn't compare them yet

[subtle bluff]

Ya the one I posted is slightly newer

[smoky latch]

Kk I'll replace

[subtle bluff]

There some fixes

[smoky latch]

You should add your credentials to this one, too, I'd say

™

[manic bough]

out of curiosity...why do you hate it?

[junior lagoon]

interesting. in the formula everything is multiplied, no addition to base wd but in the picture it is adding 52k to base weapon damage

40.5+52.7

[subtle bluff]

Oh… meh

[subtle bluff]

NBB takes always from a BP Talents and can’t make up for it. The trap.

[manic bough]

So its more of a gimmick for meme builds and such?

[subtle bluff]

All WD adds together. Yes, base WD is different.

[smoky latch]

PvP, not a good choice in PvE

[junior lagoon]

right but it is not added to base weapon damage

[subtle bluff]

Corrrect

[junior lagoon]

if you look at the picture 40.5k is base and 52 is added to that

so a number is added to base weapon damage

[subtle bluff]

Oh you’re looking at that.

I never looked at that because it doesn’t math out correctly when tested.

[manic bough]

I once did a shits and giggles build with 3 striker and 2 UA pieces with elmo,the mag size was funny 😄

but I guess thats all you can really do with nbb in pve,shits and giggles

[flint arch]

at least you acknowledge it is shits and giggles

[smoky latch]

I mean you still do damage but it's not recommended for higher difficulties in group play

[subtle bluff]

Basically for fun stuff.

The thought here is that almost anything is viable up to solo heroic.

[manic bough]

Oh no,dont get me wrong here - I just tried it solo,just to see how it plays,nothing else

[flint arch]

Really, the only problem is when people swear by the NBB in PVE

[smoky latch]

I wish ppl were as easy going as you are, on Reddit

When you say one negative word about the NBB over there you are doomed 😄

[flint arch]

They also tend to be people who recommend new players to bring some horrendous Foundry Bulwark + NBB build to solo legendary

[manic bough]

I will take that as a compliment 😄

[smoky latch]

You can, hahahah

[manic bough]

My thought process for nbb might be influenced by playing diablo 3 for many hours. the ring in there,that has the same effect as nbb is always trash,but the effect is good. but in d3,you can put the ring into effect without equipping it,therefore not losing out on valuable gear BUT if you have to equip the ring for the effect,its bad - same goes here AFAIK. if you could use nbb without equipping it, it might be a lot better

[flint arch]

indeed, the biggest problem with NBB is that you need to sacrifice the backpack talent

if theoretically you could keep the backpack talent, it would be busted

[manic bough]

New mission for you! go to reddit,search out any nbb appreciation post and tell them to spend just 20 hours in d3 to see ring of royal grandeur. after that,if they still think nbb is good,all hope is lost

[solar sable]

All Hope Is Gone.

[flint arch]

I'd rather carry a clueless tank through legendary

And by clueless tank, I mean someone who is genuinely trying to tank, not some horrid amalgamation of FB + NBB + meager attempts at DPS

[true oak]

hey guys how are you doing

[burnt dock]

@solar sable @subtle bluff any more unicorn builds to get ? I got pesti and mortar supreme

[manic bough]

I want to make a deal! You dont get that horrid amalgamation but I can offer you clueless dps with moderate attempts at dps 😄

[smoky latch]

Double Habsburg / HotShot for no reason

[flint arch]

[flint arch]

i swear the random unicorn brand sets are just the devs trolling us

[smoky latch]

I had that thought once, or twice :p

[flint arch]

"look at this brand set, blue cores only. 1pc is defensive, 2pc is skill related. okay now 3pc is 30% LMG damage for no reason good luck trying to make a pesti build"

[smoky latch]

Idk if some ppl over there roll the dice about those things sometimes :p

[summer totem]

Anyone know any more modes where i can farm st elmo

Istg the game's trolling me 30 countdown runs with assault rifle as targeted loot but instead of exotic rifles they gave me exotic holsters lmg and armor

[stark marsh]

it's generally the easiest option. exotics are just like that

[dry pagoda]

@summer totem go back and forth between summit and countdown.

[short verge]

oooh... you are as beautiful as the day i left you in div1

[subtle bluff]

You don't need it really. If it's for striker just go with any +790 rpm weapon with killer or measured (for groups)

[fickle wyvern]

can anyone give me a healing build for stuff like raids, legendary i already made a reflec build for normal stuff

[strong cave]

Yo chow I finally made Local's mortar build but with my own twist. Using the new Wyvern chest that came out, hits pretty hard

Also finally got my hands on a Repair Skills/Haste Setup backpack. Finally got my unicorn. Muh healer can be all yeller now

[strong cave]

Yup I can run her now 💯

That damn bag took years to drop

[pearl marten]

best way to farm optimization mats?

[flat cave]

what is a good striker starter build for the gunner? I am running invaded missions to unlock it fully atm

[vernal gazelle]

he has gear with no brand?

[strong cave]

Blueprints or just materials to optimize to full?

[pearl marten]

to optimize to full

[strong cave]

Yes, that's an improvised holster. You can make one at the crafting bench. You forgo bonuses for an extra mod slot. Really only good on niche builds, like what you're seeing here

[vernal gazelle]

his build does not make sense but he cant die

[strong cave]

Honestly, not 100% sure. I guess countdown and buy an optimization cache every run?

[strong cave]

He's a Protection from Elites build. He's nothing more than a regenerative decoy

[vernal gazelle]

issue is when im playing all red the enemies target me more

so hes sadly not taking agro

[strong cave]

That's because he's likely not in front of their faces and taking aggro like a PROPER walking decoy should

I run a completely different setup but near identical purpose

Have zero issues pulling aggro and my red DPS guys never die

[vernal gazelle]

yeah sadly he didnt do that we just did some summit floors on legendary and it was working but i kept getting cooked and he didnt take much agro

[strong cave]

The other thing the devs gave us insight on somewhere is the threat mechanic. It generates based on how close you are, any nearby skills and hazards, as well as how much damage you're dealing and so on. So if the tank wasn't actively shooting them and using their shield to get directly in their face, you as a red DPS will suffer

[vernal gazelle]

the suffering was real yes

[strong cave]

My setup has no hazpro or armor Regen stats. It's all crits. I'm running pointman (perfect vanguard) and galvanized tho

3 Gila, 1 Uzina, 1 Belstone, catharsis

[vernal gazelle]

sounds intressting

[strong cave]

I help people clear with it all the time. Had loads of legendary/Master clears. Give @astral kraken an ask 💯

[vernal gazelle]

is master harder than legendary?

[strong cave]

Same damage/health scaling, just with the default factoons

[subtle bluff]

no there less

[vernal gazelle]

ahh

[subtle bluff]

The scaling is between Heroic and Legendary.

[vernal gazelle]

ahhh cool

[strong cave]

They hit you like Legendary and their Health feels like a mix of Heroic and Legendary

You'll feel the scaling on the Heavy Gunners for sure

For me Legendary feels like heroic but that's the expertise and overdogs talking

[astral kraken]

my advice is just don't play with players like this

you'll never convince them how ridiculously bad that build is

and every mission is just going to be more frustrating for you

[strong cave]

It's pretty bad. You have to put forth alot of effort to draw aggro. It's better to use banshee pulse and crowd control them and proc a Galvanized backpack instead and SHARE your armor

[astral kraken]

if it's matchmaking just find another group. or stay to enjoy the extra challenge (thats what i do, but i find that fun)

[strong cave]

At this rate you really need to wrangle up the best tanks and collectively gather up tank builds

good ones at that

In dire need of good tank builds 🙏

[subtle bluff]

Who's this... @astral kraken ?

[flint arch]

purple minitank

[subtle bluff]

Teh Purple Mini Tank

[astral kraken]

@vernal gazelle that's an example of a good tank.

10 seconds: he uses scorpio to disorient the guy i'm fighting. most tanks run all the way to the back and waste everyone's time. this guy knows he can't draw aggro but he use scorpio to help.

22 seconds: he draws aggro by running first. i only have to focus on the drone operator now. the other guys are focused on him because they haven't seen me yet or shot by me.

32 seconds: i duck into cover so the purple guy switches targets to the tank. you can see at around 33 seconds the purple guy is shooting at the tank.

37 seconds: i delay my push. instead of just running in i wait for the tank to go in first so the enemies focus on the tank.

[strong cave]

Purple perhaps

[strong cave]

Executed it exactly how I would've. Certified tank

[subtle bluff]

Yup..

But it will not work well if your team DPS is not good at all it'll just take forever instead.

[astral kraken]

yea. also doesn't work well in wide open spaces.

[strong cave]

I can personally confirm that

[astral kraken]

but there are other cool strats like truck's decoy tank 😄

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot it's not about basically to be short.

[strong cave]

Bro don't 💀💀💀 not that

[astral kraken]

still my favorite clear of that boss room lol

[strong cave]

It was the DUMBEST f--- clear

but it worked

[subtle bluff]

Don't come back to the game. There's 2 going at once.

It's DUMB........

[astral kraken]

i just read the patch notes man. very sad.

i hope they change course. very very sad.

[strong cave]

What's up?

[flint arch]

probably something to do with the prototype gear

[strong cave]

I made a post about it in the y8 channel

[flint arch]

saw it

[astral kraken]

yep. they're nuking everything good about the build system in this game.

[subtle bluff]

TBH I haven't even read it in detail to understand it..

[strong cave]

I welcome the addition, my biggest issue is the fact that expertise 30 a piece of gear just to get to prototype is WILD

Or have it maybe drop on escalation

The grind to 30 will take a long damn time for newer players. Note, newer, those who came post watch mule nerf

[astral kraken]

massive rng. no build will be the same. you wont be able to just copy builds anymore.

[strong cave]

Majority of us vets used watch mules

[flint arch]

dang it

[subtle bluff]

Oh.. I get it

[strong cave]

Yup you're left in the dust now

[strong cave]

Still confused by this

[astral kraken]

you can't recal/optimize prototype gear

[strong cave]

OH. Yeah, that

[flint arch]

Division 2 getting a huge resurgence only for the devs to immediately kill it off in the next major update

[astral kraken]

which means you're gonna have to get multiple (many many) pieces to 30 and rng to get what you want

i bet they'll buff exo component drops but still

determinism through optimization and recalibration is the best thing this game has

[strong cave]

A more fair system would be to keep the reroll system we have. But we optimize it to full when we do a reroll or whatever

Do it like exotics or something too. Make a prototype bench or something idk

[astral kraken]

they're basically adding level 50 gear without actually adding level 50 gear

[strong cave]

🗣️ 💯

[flint arch]

world tiers part 2: electric boogaloo

[strong cave]

Yeah I don't like thats how they're doing it. I'm just now catching on

[astral kraken]

some of the augments are insane too. exotic level buffs. get bullets back for a % of bullets shot? apply random status effects to enemies? giga power creep.

[subtle bluff]

OH @astral kraken we have something for you to read and give opinions on

[strong cave]

There's one where it sometimes dupes your bullets, and one where you sometimes just don't take damage. Super power creep

[flint arch]

the game limiting you to only using 1 exotic weapon and 1 exotic gear piece only for the game to then let you apply exotic-adjacent augments to every single piece of equipment

[meager void]

Whats the absolute best tank build right now for countdown heroic or summit legendary?

[flint arch]

holy shit chow linking to a guide i wrote
anyway

[subtle bluff]

To be short... There isn't.

[strong cave]

Tanks are subjective and definition changes constantly

[subtle bluff]

It would just make it longer to do.

atm it doesn't matter with GE's making everything easier

[meager void]

i am running Heartbreaker atm with Big Alejandro, but im not sure how many pieces i should run, and then Equalizer Chest or Picaro's Holster or Memento Backpack ???¿¿¿

[subtle bluff]

Not the way to go in general for the build.

[astral kraken]

that's a really good guide

i would add Iron Lung to "Stop enemies from shooting" section

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung

[astral kraken]

it's really strong for a red build for that one reason

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Heartbreaker

[astral kraken]

it's perfect for places like sniper alley in leggo roosevelt

[astral kraken]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

@flint arch seee the comment?

[flint arch]

which comment

i don't see any new comments in the doc

[subtle bluff]

also you should use iron lung

[flint arch]

i added it as soon i saw the message lol

[vernal gazelle]

very nice the guy in my team just pushed into the back of the room, he should have stayed closer to dps

nice example

[obsidian lava]

how is this weapon?

[smoky latch]

Pretty good with the right build

Try this

Oh wait, SHD 300

[flat cave]

I got gunner unlocked.. just farming the points to fully unlock it.. using my striker build with it atm.. lol

[smoky latch]

You could use the Equalizer chest, a Ceska backpack and Groupo Sombra kneepads, or vice versa

[flint arch]

ah yes, having them use PVGC immediately, gotta teach them how to run a marathon before learning how to walk i guess

[smoky latch]

Most are turned off by that

So Equalizer is an alternative

[lone glacier]

To get to CHC cap, should I just focus on getting CHC pieces and then tinker CHD if some have bad rolls? I'm missing like 12% CHC to get to the 60% cap

[ivory abyss]

What exotic are you using on your gear? I would usually go for like 55%+ and then focus on chd personally

[subtle bluff]

atm GE are on and it's adding to both CHC and CHD

[lone glacier]

Overdogs, with CHC and CHD roll
Weapon wise its Elmos, running Striker with Equalizer Chest

[ivory abyss]

With elmos it should be easy to hit 55% for sure because it has good mods is your watch upgraded?

[lone glacier]

Basically just returned and I've been absent for so long the only thing I remember was the good ol world tiers and gearscore..

[lone glacier]

Returning player, so its basically at 0. But been grinding. Got to 100 on the watch a few hours ago.

[ivory abyss]

Okay so I would invest to 50 in your situation then and the rest in CHD

[lone glacier]

Alright

At this point Im just trying to get a better Elmos as mine is pretty meh

[smoky latch]

Since you break was apparently very long, you can re-roll exotics by now

Case you didn't know yet

[lone glacier]

At the crafting station or where?

[smoky latch]

Yup

[flint arch]

crafting

[lone glacier]

Oh perfect, thanks

[worn mango]

Soooo, that prototype gear huh

[past mirage]

I need help with a build, it can be anything just Have no idea where to start atm

[lament birch]

Anyone got any build recommendations for a Rifle/MMR build for this event?

I know I asked before but that was really late

[smoky latch]

Search for "HotDog" in this channel

[lament birch]

Why did I hear that with BJ’s german accent-

Big thanks, Infin

I’ll check my stash for the pieces

[smoky latch]

Here is a rifle build. Don't be like me, don't use Determined

[lament birch]

I can’t hit headshots consistently

[smoky latch]

I use this build atm to farm the hell out of the game, facing the new gear and possibly horrendously high costs

[subtle bluff]

which event?

[lament birch]

I can’t remember the name but I’m at tier three as of yesterday, so I have to get kills while stationary, with rifles of both types

[lament birch]

It looks pretty fun, Moses bless you

[zenith plover]

would this be a good place to start for status effect builds?

[subtle bluff]

Close. Fire starter chems

[smoky latch]

Vile for fire, The Setup or The Courier for foam

1pc Eletrique or Golan is fine, if you want more skill haste either 1pc Hana-U, Brazos or an improvised piece with SE/SH and a SH mod

[subtle bluff]

There's a guide for it

[smoky latch]

I really should re-organize all my bookmarks, links, discord stuff etc...

[subtle bluff]

I only have a few of it saved in another channel

[coral cradle]

is this worth re-rolling?

[junior lagoon]

use until you get another one and roll that one

the logc is always have two and roll the worse one

[coral cradle]

makes sense. Appreciate it

[junior lagoon]

no need to expertise up until you are 1000 shd imho

[tender robin]

any build for conflict ?

[flint arch]

you'll have better luck asking in #td2-pvp-discussions, this channel is primarily for pve

[subtle bluff]

Give them a bit to reponse they do but there only a very few of them in there.

You should be able to search up "Starter PvP guide" and find something within the 2 channels.

[burnt dock]

Mr chow any unicorn builds I can focus on for now ?!

[subtle bluff]

You've got the loot list?

[rotund pewter]

I personally would re roll if you have a lot of exotic components, swap speed is useless. Better off with something like DTA or DTTOC or even CHD at the very least. Then I would just optimize ARD as long as it isnt too low. Especially because you never know when you might get your next one

[signal frigate]

Hey so I dont know the every spawn in missions so should I not use a cc build or can I still use one

[atomic turtle]

@subtle bluff Hey quick question, what would you say benefits the SIG MPX more for the under barrel? The 30% Accuracy or the 30% Stability?

[subtle bluff]

You could just use MP5

[atomic turtle]

I like the SIG though.

Also, MP5 doesn't have the sick Rogue's Calling or Ultraviolence skins.

@smoky latch What do you think? 30% Stability or 30%% Accuracy?

[subtle bluff]

Try it. It's up to the players.

[atomic turtle]

I'm asking because I wasn't sure how much Accuracy benefits SMGs as a weapon class. They're already mostly stable, but I'm not 100% sure on Accuracy. So far it doesn't feel like much difference, but maybe that's because 30% isn't enough? I do see the crosshair get a little bit tighter and it feels like it jumps back to the center quicker.

[subtle bluff]

Each gun is a lil different because of the numbers we can't see.

[smoky latch]

Accuracy probably

[subtle bluff]

There are some hidden weapon handling numbers we can't see.

Try it out in the range.

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, I was told that before. Wish the devs wouldn't hide that info.

[buoyant perch]

If we don't see it, are they... real?

[atomic turtle]

Schrodinger's stats.

[flint arch]

If we can't see it, it's not important

If it was important, why would the devs hide it from us?

[buoyant perch]

The plot thickens

[atomic turtle]

Actually, that makes think about MMRs a bit. Do you actually need to hit that 100% Stability for 0 weapon sway? You'd think that some Stability would already be included to the class natively.

[flint arch]

Nah, our agent has noodle arms

[atomic turtle]

And yet we eat bullets for breakfast with our steel bodies that also never happen to run out of stamina after running for 20 minutes straight?

[flint arch]

The answer is yesn't

[flint arch]

We can also stand in the middle of an active foundry as long as we have some magic drones restore our armor, which logically shouldn't be your first problem when you're standing next to molten iron

[atomic turtle]

Right, so again, why can't we just hold the MMRs perfectly still? lmao

[rocky pagoda]

What can I build around the shield splinterer?

[flint arch]

[flint arch]

Striker

[subtle bluff]

I always had a guess about it but never confirmed till I asked some others.
MPX5 pre TU22 wasn't bad. Not it's bad.

[atomic turtle]

Probably any build that boosts ARs in particular. Or use Striker if you want to be lazy.

[flint arch]

Very riveting answer, I know

[smoky latch]

Backfire is based on the SIG MPX, right?

[atomic turtle]

Yes.

[lament reef]

this tinkerer OD set is so fun
no stacks to care about just gun mcshooty

[subtle bluff]

Most builds aren't built around the weapon.

[smoky latch]

I wanted to like the MPX and even expertised it a bit but I ended up using Dark Winter mostly

[atomic turtle]

I can't wait for Escalation to basically make Classified Striker a thing again as a byproduct of the system.

mfw I start seeing striker users exclusively run the new Exo mask + Emperor's Guard.

[flint arch]

speaking of classified striker

[atomic turtle]

I will say though, the new mask, as cool as it sounds, is also going to be a magical as fk unicorn to grind for.

[smoky latch]

Wdym

[flint arch]

It's going to consume the number of exo components you need to get 30 expertise just to get good stats

[atomic turtle]

The stats can drop randomized, and it kind of has to because of how the talent works.

[smoky latch]

Can it really be any stats?

[atomic turtle]

If you want to gear it toward a specific route, yes.

[flint arch]

Also btw @atomic turtle the new gear set reminded me of your "jack of all trades" gear set

[smoky latch]

Oh boi

[atomic turtle]

@smoky latch

[flint arch]

How did you predict the future

[smoky latch]

So we'll end up with multiple copies I guess

[atomic turtle]

Bro I fkin laughed my ass off that, holy shit.

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, so basically, you can end up with 30% extra CHD, 15% Skill efficiency, or 3% Armor Regen, assuming all the minor attributes are the same class.

[smoky latch]

Lol, I see now.

[atomic turtle]

That mask with 3% Armor Regen + Emperor's Guard on a Striker build is basically classified striker, lmfao.

[flint arch]

OH SHIT I see it now wtf

[lament reef]

that’s on top of what you actually roll

could be headshot damage, chc, and chd

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, just has to be any roll of the same class, for a Striker build ideally you'd want CHC, CHD, and Headshot DMG, I would think.

I can't think WH be all that useful tbh, not for 8% and not for weapons like Elmo's or ACS-12.

[smoky latch]

Yeah I think it might need a new term. Unicorn wouldn't suffice any more. 3x CHD would be dope tho

[atomic turtle]

It's basically Coyote's but better, at least for solo.

[flint arch]

Long-term CQC buff but 5% better

[lament reef]

diamond unicorn

prismatic unicorn

what’s the borderland thing

Pearlescent?

[atomic turtle]

Resplendent.

[flint arch]

Despondent

[atomic turtle]

lmao

Yeah, that's gonna be my long-term goal. Getting one Investor's with WD, CHC, CHD, HSD. Then another with WD, HazPro, EXResist, and Armor Regen.

Div 3 will probably already be out by the time I get them though, lmfao.

[flint arch]

[slender trout]

is it possible to get the beacon chest as a drop in countdown?

[atomic turtle]

Should be, yes.

[slender trout]

okay thankyou

[signal frigate]

Whats a better build ep support or ep fire cc

[solar sable]

totally different purposes

[signal frigate]

Explain

[smoky latch]

Technically the firestarter build is a support build

Wdym by support build tho?

[solar sable]

was about to ask that since it's not in the Spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

One is set up to do DOTS status effect.
The other is for a hard CC status effect.

DMG
Support

[signal frigate]

Btsu gloves

[solar sable]

this guy Chow knows ball, he should be a guide maker

[subtle bluff]

That doesn't make a support build.

[subtle bluff]

Technically neither are "better" than the other without context.

[solar sable]

exactly, which is why I pointed that they served different purposes and I thought it was pretty self explanatory

[signal frigate]

My fault I meant this build

[subtle bluff]

I dislike how many questions come out of iKia's built collection.

But they're not wrong but understanding the purpose and the reasoning can be hard.

[hexed steppe]

2/3 look cursed, ngl

[lament birch]

This is the best I could cobble together with whatever I had laying around

[subtle bluff]

I get the build.

[solar sable]

I wish I ever had to read them

[flint arch]

I can't read sir

[subtle bluff]

You.. Persons....

[solar sable]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/qKV1x9ss?tab=share

[lament birch]

Please judge my half-cooked build as you see fit

[flint arch]

I mean at least you acknowledge it's half-cooked

[solar sable]

I see no point on judging since you're off to a good start

[lament birch]

I got Quick and Fox’s, no BP, WD or M700 though

[smoky latch]

I'd say run a stinger hive and BTSU if your team goes down a lot

Use a foam build to prevent them kissing the floor too much

[solar sable]

please change the tag to CCYP

[subtle bluff]

Context has been filled. You can see my mini guide and the full guide.

[solar sable]

but sir, you don't need them for this build

[signal frigate]

Thank you

[solar sable]

I mean the MMRs

[lament birch]

Oh thank goodness, I really wanna give my Virginian and Relic their proper showings this time around :DD

I just need better Habsburg pieces

For my mask and holster specifically

[flint arch]

hasburg is difficult to farm

[subtle bluff]

And is not needed at all.

Only reason I grind for one is for speed runs.

[smoky latch]

You don't need any Habsburg pieces. Chainkiller & Airaldi backpack are just fine

[edgy merlin]

Should I keep HSD?

Also is optimize just increasing the stat to what I have in my library? If so I can't optimize CHD (not enough rss), but I can optimize rifle dmg

[solar sable]

tbh Baker's Dozen ain't that great

if you wanna keep it remember the golden tip:
All weapons need DTOC except LMGs, they need CHC.

[subtle bluff]

Always DTTooC.
I swear if there's a build FAQ that would ever be referenced the first would be that.

[signal frigate]

Im sorry im slow what are the gloves ?

[smoky latch]

Electrique

[lament birch]

I just need better rolls on my mask and holster, since I get my boost in headshot and MMR damage from them

[smoky latch]

What build are you running? I expected HotShot or HotDog

[solar sable]

🌭

[smoky latch]

🥵 💉

Nah looks silly

[fresh ibex]

Dumb question but I’m trying to get a seeker mine mod through the “Unknown Seeker Mine Mod” at the crafting station. Can I RNG unknown mods or does it only randomly craft from the pool of mods I have already discovered?

[solar sable]

rng unknown

[smoky latch]

Even if you have a lot of materials, I do not recommend mods 😂

While I craft certain things myself I'd suggest you stay away from mods

[fresh ibex]

YAY! Let’s go gambling

[smoky latch]

It's worse, hahahaha

[fresh ibex]

But I’m feeling the dice tonight

Ah dang it 😂

[smoky latch]

I mean you can always get lucky but most of the time not. Knock yourself out tho if you really want to

[hazy steeple]

[smoky latch]

LOL

I did not mean to be discriminatory 😄

[hexed steppe]

yeah no, you would be better just dumping those habs for breaking point as they help your rifle and mmr by 25% weapon damage for each. if you really set on the 13% hsd from habs, replace the ua piece thats doing nothing for you... but even that would be better as fox's.

you could farm the breaking point pieces in 1 run

[subtle bluff]

Go to the link that I sent you you. That's a full guide.

[flint arch]

Mod abuse!!1!!

[north sinew]

Are shields useful if im using all red striker or would i be better off useing a banshee pulse or decoy?

[flint arch]

can you position yourself well enough to not get hit without a shield

if yes, you can ditch the shield for a skill with more utility
if no, keep it

also, im assuming you're using a revive hive, try not to rely on it too much, put banshee or decoy or whatever in the 2nd slot

[ripe citrus]

is it ok to recalib the status effect to CHD? dont want to waste the perfect obli talents

[livid sorrel]

Absolutely

[flint arch]

this gear can only ever drop with perfect obliterate tho

[north sinew]

okay ill stick with the shield for now not super good at positioning yet

[ripe citrus]

for gear mods its random to get perfect right?

[flint arch]

perfect gear mods are very rare and not that necessary

[ripe citrus]

im trying to get 100 CHC with my striker build and im short 10-12%

[flint arch]

100% CHC??? The cap is 60%

[hazy steeple]

(they probably mean CHD)

[livid sorrel]

With the overdrive it's 85

[flint arch]

And there's an overdrive right now, your stats are not accurate, you have to subtract them manually

[ripe citrus]

so my CHC is enough? im using striker build

[flint arch]

overcapped by 4.2%

[flat cave]

I'm running invaded missions atm to get points to completely unlock the skill for gunner. Looking for a starter build for gunner.. unless my striker build is basically it

[ripe citrus]

ohh you guys saved me some runs,

[flint arch]

striker

[ripe citrus]

should I raise CHD more or headshot damage?

[flint arch]

CHD

[signal frigate]

I really like this fire ep build

[flat cave]

what skills should I run with it.. I know Reviver is usually a good one..

[solar sable]

whatever you like
foam chem, emp sticky, shield, rev hive, decoy...

[signal frigate]

Hey question

[solar sable]

answer

[signal frigate]

So i saw there was options for the cc fire build of other things such as jammer pulse and stinger hive jammer pulse what does it do

Never used it before

Oh and banshee pulse

[flat cave]

was having fun with the shock things.. I don't have St Elmos YET.. but I have an LMG that does do shock and more damage to shocked enemies

[solar sable]

jammer pulse? you fire a pulse wave that applies Disrupt to electronics making them unable to do anything for some time

[solar sable]

banshee: fire a pulse wave that applies Disorient to enemies in the range cone

[signal frigate]

I see so theres no better skill it just depends on the mission I guess?

[hazy steeple]

Just a note: Banshee Pulse is a directed cone, so it's a lot smaller of an area.

[ripe citrus]

so I'm currently running 4 striker gears (mask, backpack,holster and kneepads), UA chest and overdogs, is there a better gloves than overdogs?

[solar sable]

that, personal preference or build wise

[flat cave]

that is about what I am running atm too Cozii

[signal frigate]

I see also can fire ep work on legendary or not really compared to foam

[ripe citrus]

all im worrying abt is my armor 680k only lol

[solar sable]

foam is far more useful than fire in Leggo tbh

[signal frigate]

Yeah i assumed so also one more does stinger just apply build ?

[solar sable]

bleed? yes

[smoky latch]

Bleed and stagger for a brief moment

[flat cave]

yea.. my striker set isn't the best.. it's still a background set with some red cores.. it's a foundation.. but not the greatest

[solar sable]

i forgor about stagger

[signal frigate]

One more question does jammer pulse work on the robots?

[solar sable]

afaik yes

[hazy steeple]

It 100% does, yes.

[ripe citrus]

so i really need to farm some near perfect mods and replace some chc to chd if its cap to 85% chc

[flat cave]

yep.. I gotta get something decent put together to run countdown at least on challenging.. without being a hinderance to the team

[hazy steeple]

Heads up: EMP Sticky Bomb.
Launch it directly at a Hound, then don't blow it up, they stay stunned for the duration of the counter, then once it almost expires, detonate/when applicable.
Saved my life on Legendary back in the day, and I'm fairly sure they haven't changed how it works yet.

Jammer Pulse is better if you are able to get within range of a few though.

[smoky latch]

Drones

[hazy steeple]

Jammer Pulse is best for those for sure, although you can also just shoot them.

[smoky latch]

Not always ^^

It's a nice to have skill with a rather short cooldown

[hazy steeple]

I mean, short-ish.
Although on a red DPS build, I'm not taking something to specifically deal with drones, as those are rarely the most important enemy type to be careful around.
The big exception is Kajika's mission in WONY, where those shock traps trip up literally every team I've ever been with.

You can upload images straight to here via the snipping tool.

e.g.

[flat cave]

better?

oh and if I went into countdown.. the shock traps would probably be the riot foam

or decoy

[ripe citrus]

i ran countdown with carbine 7 until i got st elmo

[flat cave]

I do have the carbine 7

just running those weapons atm due to the fact the rifle has a bonus to shocked enemies

and it's an LMG that looks like an AK47

the purple weapon is there to level up so I can yoink the trait from it

[livid sorrel]

im not sure if you can extract from purples but that's on the way to a good build

[flat cave]

ty.. I mean I am only SHD 140.. I got a LONG way to go still to get to 1000

[livid sorrel]

i'm not sure about the rpk though, the slow fire rate isn't good for maintaining striker stacks

[lament birch]

I actually just switched to Fox’s after I noticed the set bonus difference

And I can’t run countdown sadly (No game pass) so how else can I reliably get pieces for Breaking Point?

[hexed steppe]

summit

retaliations if you can handle them can be solo. both have target loot same as countdown

[hexed steppe]

there is a good breaking point mask at the clan vendor. if no clan, just join a random open one for vendor access

[lament birch]

I’m still in my clan, even after my No-WiFi time out

Thanks for the tip

[lament birch]

Time to reset my current run (At floor 28)

[hexed steppe]

why reset? can select loot anytime

[lament birch]

I’ve just been getting drone or hacking rooms lately, playing with modifiers too for the XP gains

[gentle lichen]

Xp in summit isn't good at all

[lime panther]

I'm trying to make heartbreaker work somewhat reliably in balancing both damage and tankiness, is there a better option for that, or any named items that'll give me an edge?

[silver coral]

why CHC instead of dtoc for pesti lengmo build?

[hexed steppe]

use red cores on hb and memento exotic bag

[hexed steppe]

👆

[livid sorrel]

LMGs already come with DTOOC

[lime panther]

you mean swapping main attribute, or minor attributes?

[hexed steppe]

main cores

[lime panther]

👌 got it

[hexed steppe]

well, minors should be red already

crit chance and crit damage

crit chance to minimum 50%

[lime panther]

im guessing weapons should have DTTooC?

[hexed steppe]

yeah. are you using tech class linked laser to pulse targets or just headshots?

[lime panther]

headshots atm, still working through the specialization tree

[hexed steppe]

gotcha

[silver coral]

for the pesti lengmo build should i just replace the sacrifice to petrov for more lmg damage

[grand girder]

I don't think 10% lmg damage would outperform the 5% amp from pgc

haven't run the math if someone can be bothered

[silver coral]

is 5% difference really that big?

[grand girder]

well I'm assuming you want a normal gc petrov chest right? so its 20% amp + 10% WD compared to 25% amp which applies to the whole formula (pretty sure correct me if im wrong)

[hexed steppe]

25%amp for reg, 30%amp for perfect

[grand girder]

wait deadass? its been a minute since I logged on

oh yeah cause 60% damage taken mb

brain fart moment

[hexed steppe]

the lmg damage is additive with the red cores, where the amp is not additive to anything

[hexed steppe]

still 5% so youre good

[ripe citrus]

does overdogs gloves got bp? and for striker build is it best to equip smg as secondary?

[solar sable]

yes and yes

[ripe citrus]

if i have the overdogs the bp should be available as well right? what smg should I equip?

[solar sable]

they are already in the general loot pool so...

smg-9 w/Unwavering or Measured

[ripe citrus]

well i guess need to farm hyena for the bp

[hearty orbit]

out of curiosity how does the lexington stack against other ARs for strikers?

[solar sable]

stack?

[hearty orbit]

compare

is it just a novelty for flexibility in certain builds?

i notice the normal recommendation is Elmos

curious if lexington does more damage? or is elmos the pick for consistency?

[subtle bluff]

There's a DPS chart on the bottom of the guide. It goes over coco but it's the same comparison-wise % since it's all just chests.

[subtle bluff]

Different weapons give different Burst and sustained DPS

Strikers can use any weapons with high rpm.

[lime panther]

just checking, but at least for raids / countdown, would swapping out memento for overdogs be a good call? can't always guarantee you get the kills

[livid sorrel]

it's like 5% more damage compared to police m4
elmo's gets recommended a lot because of the low recoil and big mag, but if you can deal with not having those a police m4 beats it

[subtle bluff]

Here’s what M4 can do on the old meta build. I have an Elmo clip some where but not on hand.

[hazy steeple]

I love that clip, because just for a sec, you can see yourself getting fooled by the decoy.
It's just a very "everyone does this" moment, and I kinda love it.

[subtle bluff]

Ya… Really tried to keep to a one shot and that I’m not cherry picking the runs.

Even my newest strike meta one I fat finger the banshee pulse

[flint arch]

wait so the banshee pulse on using the laptop at the beginning room wasn't intentional?

[hazy steeple]

I mean, it's Lincoln Heroic. I think anyone of a sufficient account-age is going to take that into consideration when they see that clip.

[subtle bluff]

Ya… I wasn’t warmed up for that run.

[flint arch]

i thought it was a strat to make the laptop animation faster so i copied you

[hazy steeple]

I think at one point we had someone attempt an actual blindfolded run of it.

[subtle bluff]

I did the no aim down sight one

[flint arch]

Lincoln Memorial is great for making me feel like I'm a better player than I actually am

[subtle bluff]

The thought that the skill level to do what I do isn’t high.

I wanna get decent a like a 2 section fun of Lego for the same thing but it’s a harder DPS check.

Or master

[grand girder]

emp is the move for that

[flint arch]

[flint arch]

interesting choice of background music

[grand girder]

thanks

[flint arch]

also now i can recognize when someone put expertise 12 on all of their armor pieces

though uh there are 15 armor segments as opposed to 14 here so i can't tell now

expertise 30 on all gear pieces is the only acceptable blue core in a full red build change my mind

[grand girder]

well its nego + overdogs and pgc I'm pretty sure, think pgc is 15 all nego is 12 and overdogs should be 30

[flint arch]

gonna go to sleep early, PTS starts at 6:00 am for me

imagine if they didn't actually let me test the prototype part of the PTS because i don't have enough expertise and they didn't give me like free points or something to let me test the prototypes

that would be funny

i wonder if the devs ever fast tracked progression in a PTS for the sake of testing

[patent fossil]

You can buy caches for free with tons of materials so you can just donate them all to expertise, buy more and use them to level up your stuff

But there was definitely one pts where they just gave everyone max expertise so they might do that again

[ivory abyss]

Maybe I’ll try the pts because maybe they will give me a Lexington there

[patent fossil]

Anything you get in the pts won't be carried across to your regular game

[ivory abyss]

Yeah I know but it’ll be nice to use it since I don’t have it in regular game lol

[brave marlin]

Hi, can any1 tell me about that build. I have a problem, a few days ago I was going on solo legendary sammit with 10 dir. that build have so much regen. But today it doesn’t work as usual.

Can someone explain me, this build get nerfed ?

I can’t find info about this

[grand girder]

zealot isnt the seasonal modifier anymore bro

[woeful zodiac]

Is there a good Umbra PVE build?

[short verge]

coyoter mask, crit chance ~55%, ceska packback with whatever damage talent, and some high rpm weapon

[strong cave]

^^ what they said. Problem is any other DPS set will outperform it

[woeful zodiac]

What abt the Overdogs?

[strong cave]

Overdogs would be more helpful in this situation

[woeful zodiac]

Can someone send a layout for a PVE umbra build?

[short verge]

its just this, from the build guide

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19sFbZrcsRo8j3qbot1Li556897eBRG2mxqHZmwmfXZ4/edit?usp=sharing

[woeful zodiac]

So no high end chest piece then?

[short verge]

reeeeaaad

[strong cave]

I know you all are going to murder me for having Ninjabike bag, but I'm genuinely lost on setting up Refactor.

I'm trying to prioritize my survivability + healing my team, like any normal healer build would (I'm aware Refactor is worse than Future Initiative). Refactor heals based off a % of skill damage, which is honestly difficult to obtain outside of using the named Hana-U bag with P Combined Arms or using chest talents Glass Cannon/Kinetic momentum.

To me, taking a bag talent seems a bit pointless on this build because majority skill ones require a status effect applied or skill kills. Which, let's be real, I won't be killing much with either of those two skills (turret + drone). So I figured to just go the lazy approach and go with piling on more bonuses that at least boost the skill damage + outgoing heals without losing too much survivability

Which direction do I even take this build? I truly feel like I'm spinning in circles trying to figure out Refactor 😭

[short verge]

imo, feels like refactor is only as good as how behaved the turret and drone are going to be during a mission

like, when both are slaying out, my teammates get hella bonus armor and healing

but the other 90% of the time is me spamming Q or E just to get at least one of them to target something

[strong cave]

Yeah I'm finding that in practice a lot of the times and I'm finding it incredibly annoying

This set is also really damn weird. You deal damage to heal, but the damage you do is pitiful. If consistent, it's not bad for heals. There's obviously better out there (cough, FI)

[short verge]

what i thought, too, with all the talents stacked towards getting skill damage like with in sync and combined arms.

but again, all that skill damage bonus still hinders on whether the skills are actually going to go out and hunt enemies, which is why i settled on future initiative as well because at least my healing is consistently available

[hexed steppe]

You can, yeah. Memento rough to keep up in those scenarios.

For raids I would probably swap to vigilance bag. (Ideally you would want a striker setup, tho).

For countdown dogs would be a good alternative.

[strong cave]

Capacitor/In Sync I use on skill builds frequently. Almost a must tbh. I'll keep toying with Refactor to see if it's worth keeping and perfecting or if I should ditch it and keep a spare load out slot and keep using future healer 😂

[strong cave]

Yo I finally made your mortar build 👀

Decided to use the new Wyvern chest piece instead of Sacrifice. Hits super hard. Playstyle takes a ton of skill

[hexed steppe]

Ikr

-# another convert added to Lootcifers army

[strong cave]

It's genuinely fun. I just wish you could utilize Shrapnel trap tho

Shrapnel does soooooo much damage

[hexed steppe]

You can if posting up somewhere. I use stinger hive so traps arent super different

[tulip charm]

Hmm prototype explosive build with cdr procs 😳

[strong cave]

I'm using BTSU as well so overclock is big big damage

Problem is well, don't think Traps count as Hives

[hexed steppe]

Can use overdogs if you use 2 brazos pieces

[strong cave]

Idk if I wanna spend 2 hours crafting again...

I spent an hour just going for the damn Grupo knees. Had my holster drop randomly outta nowhere during a mission the other day

[hexed steppe]

Nice

I can add around 1mil to my top end just swapping the grupo to brazos and using dogs. I prefer the qol that btsu+hive give anyways but putting it out there for full disclosure

[strong cave]

I was having severe OCD. I wouldn't accept any misrolls. Everything is Damage/Haste. It wanted to consistently give me Status/Damage

[strong cave]

Yeah I was tempted to go the dogs route but I really don't want to pass up BTSU

I'd just switch explosive builds entirely if I swap off BTSU

Trying to look into chest talent "Tag Team" and figuring out something to do with Capacitor and crits + Explo Sticky

[hexed steppe]

Btsu so good for getting your stuff back quick or team support for making shields invulnerable/resetting hives

Yeah doing crits+explo sticky would actually be dogs territory with picaros most likely

[tiny geyser]

hi needed some help with shroud build .. how to get the overdogs i have done 7 hyena retals but didnt get and are the HG pieces that rare

[old violet]

Hi I’ve played D2 off and on for a while. If I’m looking to get a glass cannon build together is there any advice on to armour I’m currently using a striker set.

And weapons please and thank

You

[hexed steppe]

Retaliation has a chance to drop the blueprint. Check the crafting bench under the exotic gem 💎

[strong cave]

I'm working on a build like that. Tag team I'm pretty sure is used to get your skills back quicker. I am pretty sure that getting a skill kill will reset skill cooldowns as well. So if I can somehow manage to chain together explosions and keep weapon damage and manage to get enough explosive damage, I may be able to make a super fun hybrid build

[hexed steppe]

Dont need habs pieces with breaking point or hotshot exists

[strong cave]

My problem is theorizing this shit. These types of builds are typically frowned on by the community

[tiny geyser]

nah didnt get whats the drop rate tho and the HG pieces any tips ?

[livid sorrel]

What's your current build? Typical choice is Striker Equalizer Overdogs

[strong cave]

Nah, don't let local lie to you. 2 pc Habsburg and 2 PC Airaldi hit nearly as hard as breaking point and hotshot 💯 go for dem unicorns

Embrace insanity

Join the rest of us psycho players

[hexed steppe]

Nah, 20%mmr habs /25%mmr breaking... who you kidding

[old violet]

I have 4 striker s high end chest piece and overdogs with a good AR and big Alejandro

[strong cave]

Nah man, you're missing the other bonuses from Airaldi too!

Habs and Airaldi both 2 pieces 💯

[hexed steppe]

Idc about airaldi. Can still use with the stronger beakingpoint pieces

[strong cave]

That's true but you go from Hairydogs to Hotdogs or Dogpoint 😔

[hexed steppe]

Habs s dead to me

So isnt hotshot tho

[livid sorrel]

Get Equalizer chest, a Ceska or Unit Alloys chest with Obliterate works too

[strong cave]

You're kind of right, hotshot definitely died 😭

I don't even use the four piece bonus for it anymore. Only the two piece or the three piece LOL

[hexed steppe]

Once I switched to 1886/mmr that extra 5% wasnt worth losing rifle damage

[willow tartan]

Hello is anyone aware of max shield skill mods or should I just not bother trying (they r the last thing I need to max out)

[hexed steppe]

This is how I run, just sub in shroud instead of mantis if thats what youre building around.

Dont need habs, use 2 breaking point or 2 hotshot
You can use airaldi vigilance bag for a higher top end

[old violet]

I’m out atm but will check when I get home

[delicate field]

If I make a dps tank build using the foundry set. For a player that likes squads whats better beacon or overdogs?

[tiny geyser]

ok ty'