td2-build-advice

[flint arch]

at that point, just run a SMG, because replacing crit attributes with hazpro will screw up your damage

[smoky latch]

Yeah not recommended.

[true oak]

i see

[smoky latch]

Anyway, they're not even unicorns, they still have the blue cores

[solar sable]

that guy is a -29836478/10 for builds

[halcyon meadow]

Damage tends to be my lowest armor stat. I tend to go more to defense and skill.

I don’t notice when damage is low I notice when armor and skill is

[true oak]

dang he is that bad ? good to know

[flint arch]

you prefer defense over damage?

[solar sable]

anything else is... decent. No it isn't...

[halcyon meadow]

I prefer skill over all but yes

[smoky latch]

There is a certain rule active in this discord that forbids us to go into details but you can stop following his builds

[halcyon meadow]

I don’t care if it takes a bit longer to kill enemies

They’re not killing me

[solar sable]

look at this

[flint arch]

you haven't even finished the list of good div 2 youtubers

[true oak]

all of them like that ?

[smoky latch]

I love me some AI thumbnails

[flint arch]

how can i ever trust toastey's guides now

[solar sable]

my brain wont give me more names

[iron plover]

So you wanna say something to my grade-30 Habsburg?

[halcyon meadow]

Anyway I leave. I sense more of the dedicated fanbase here and I’m more casual

[solar sable]

have fun, we never said you couldn't

[solar sable]

most of them, al least 99%

[flint arch]

unless it's a FB NBB build, in which case i will physically stop you from "having fun"

[solar sable]

4 man PVGC is the definition of fun

[smoky latch]

What was your original request?

[true oak]

okay does some one here have a good skill refactor build ? i was gonna use 4 piece with impetus chest and hana backpack with tech support

[halcyon meadow]

I was just trying to make backfire work. But I prefer something with less complexity and more daka

[smoky latch]

daka?

[halcyon meadow]

Warhammer ork terminology for a guns fire rate

[smoky latch]

You can run it many ways, nobody stops you from running it the way you want to

[solar sable]

the build I sent is easy asf to use, it requires almost nothing

[smoky latch]

If you really wanna run it with HazPro bare in mind you are using damage. It can shine in events like we had last week, for instance

[halcyon meadow]

I’ll keep it in mind, but I don’t have that stuff

[true oak]

is it good idea to use or no ?

[solar sable]

i'll repeat myself, have fun, sir. Nobody is stopping you

[halcyon meadow]

I’m probobly just gonna keep it in stash

[smoky latch]

I can send you one with HazPro, sec

[halcyon meadow]

I know, sorry im bad at talking to people

[halcyon meadow]

I know you mean well, I’m just bad at communicating

[solar sable]

np

[halcyon meadow]

Nah I’m fine, I’ll find mg own build

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1wDdwNz4fPy26yi9cOAQ4s0muy_zWEU8oF2DTLXPTMS0/edit
Here is a HazPro recommendation that is easy to farm for

[solar sable]

im bipolar asf wth...?
I just noticed

[true oak]

is there other builds like that ?

[solar sable]

lmfaoooo

[halcyon meadow]

Bad joke sorry

[smoky latch]

Like what?

[true oak]

i mean this doc is there anything u have for refacter skill build ? was asking about it

[true oak]

,

[flint arch]

idk about this man

[smoky latch]

Yes, I think I pinged you earlier with one but I might confuse you too, IDK 😄

[true oak]

where ? did not notice sry

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18s3Gr5fZ3DvuA55xeBSyc_2SIusmfMULotivkSfs4xQ/edit

Kinetic Momentum on chest: higher skill damage
Perfect Glass Cannon: higher weapon damage

[true oak]

is there a collection of builds u have ? those are cool

[smoky latch]

You pick what you prefer

Yes hang on

[smoky latch]

Ikia's recommended builds

iKia's entire build collection

[solar sable]

ikia 🐐

[true oak]

what about use this chest instead ? and one hana_u backpack

[smoky latch]

You can use it either with Memento or with the very same backpack

[subtle bluff]

I dislike his collection for new players that aren't at least SHD 500 or so

[true oak]

dang why those are not in pin messages

[smoky latch]

I know what you mean

[uneven nest]

Weird… with the redline event… is the striker chameleon build the best shit right now? What a time for me to have jumped back into D2

[subtle bluff]

no

[flint arch]

they need a bunch of watch stats or something?

[true oak]

gonna be better right

[smoky latch]

No they are created by another person; but he also worked with other people on some of the docs in the spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

just played the game

[uneven nest]

Crazy… this shit is op

[smoky latch]

A little bit, yes, I only tested briefly with the Hana-U backpack

[flint arch]

actually from my experience when i was starting out i looked at ikia's build guides and they kinda intimidated me with all the god rolled stats

[subtle bluff]

burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[grand girder]

chatter go brrrr without event aswell sir

[subtle bluff]

it go more burrrrrr

[grand girder]

BURRRRR

[solar sable]

ger

[flint arch]

chatter ironically brrrr less during assault

[uneven nest]

👋

[smoky latch]

Next week again 💪

[solar sable]

🍔

[true oak]

okay thx for the help guys wish u all have a good day

[flint arch]

the worst part about chatterbox is that to keep the stacks you need to keep holding it

[grand girder]

yeah, rogue momentum was the most fun I've had with chatter

but needing to proc the reload after using quickstep for 5 seconds of running gets stale fast

[flint arch]

also i like mindlessly dumping mags when it comes to SMGs

i don't like how i have to sheepishly tap left click to preserve chatterbox stacks

especially when it eats through all of its ammo within like 2 seconds at 5 stacks

[grand girder]

I prefer it at 4 stacks compared to 5 tbh, but with enough dps you can magdump freely

[atomic turtle]

Just bind fire button to key press and tap it.

[grand girder]

I run pgc with it and deal enough to constantly keep it up but its also max expertise

[normal shadow]

Is Refactor the go to for skill damage turret and drone build? It used to be Hana-U and maybe some Wyvern/ Empress.

[smoky latch]

Yes

[grand girder]

kudos for not spelling refractor

[normal shadow]

Alright, so I need to farm. Off to Countdown then.

[normal shadow]

I try my best.

[smoky latch]

Or "turrent"

[neon gorge]

what's the best sniper for a hotshot build?

[vestal mirage]

shroud

[flint arch]

But too many cases of Momento

[neon gorge]

oh damn fr? ı got one

[flint arch]

I'm just going to tell them "it's trash, can't even use it"

[smoky latch]

That is the most disturbing of them all

[grand girder]

the good old unequipable memento

[flint arch]

Imagine if they delete their Memento after I tell them that

[smoky latch]

You have people calling it Momento fr, content creators

[grand girder]

Thats just embarrassing

[smoky latch]

Si

[neon gorge]

with shroud, do you always want to prioritize the highest tier or is there cases where you would want to take out lower tier enemies first? this is more so a gameplay question ı suppose

[smoky latch]

I only use it on the tough enemies and take out the rest with a HE sniper

But you could run Shroud with Overdogs in a build too

[buoyant perch]

You need to start the HH stack somehow

[neon gorge]

isn't that unsynergistic?

or is the idea having a buff for both highest and lowest tier?

[smoky latch]

It works tho

[grand girder]

well both should proc when only 1 tier remains

seems a bit counter intuitive but I've also heard it works

[neon gorge]

oh that's true

ı been running a HE mmr determined headhunter for my hotshot build but obviously a non determined build would do more dmg so wanted some advice thank you

[flint arch]

Redline overdrive made me realize that our inability to disable overdrives really sucks

[grand girder]

yeppppppppppp

[flint arch]

One thing I noticed is that the GR9 w/ Frenzy is now more annoying to use and there's no way to fix it

[grand girder]

oh its a temporary buff surely everyone will have no problems with it right?!?!? except I can't play at all because all my challenges will be void

lets just add a on and off button? nah too much effort

[neon gorge]

my dmg jumped to never before seen heights but ı can see how it would be an issue if you want the challenge

[flint arch]

And also, this means whatever performance your build has is completely skewed

I have zero idea that whatever I made will actually work and there's no way to test it outside of waiting 3 days

I guess the only "fun" thing is that I get to easily solo legendary DUA I guess? But it's annoying everywhere else

[normal shadow]

So for Refactor do we want to use Refactor chest or what four pieces do we want? Force Multiplier and something else maybe?

[solar sable]

#td2-build-advice message

[smoky latch]

That's hybrid

[solar sable]

its the only refactor thing I know

[normal shadow]

Huh, that's interesting! A more of a hybrid dps build instead of going full yellow.

[gray copper]

Returning player are these builds still usable ?

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18s3Gr5fZ3DvuA55xeBSyc_2SIusmfMULotivkSfs4xQ/edit
Kinetic Momentum: Higher Skill Damage
Perfect Glass Cannon chest: Higher weapon damage

Instead of KM or PGC you can also run Empathic Resolve on your Hana-U chest to further buff your team's damage

[smoky latch]

Wtf lol

I will counter you with recent builds

[gray copper]

Ty lol

[smoky latch]

Check these against with what you have:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LPnA18PDgGg_dEbNI1kZVTVIMGXNHQS_

[serene flare]

I got Catalyst from a random enemy in Brooklyn, and I get it now
I get the appeal of SMG Hunter's Fury, and I get the appeal of Backfire lmao

[frozen hull]

So I have a meta strikers build and a tech tank strikers build… I think I’m finally at a point where the heart breaker set is pointless for me

[smoky latch]

Cheers to the drop but you won't gain much damage from that mask, FYI

[serene flare]

is it not good?

[normal shadow]

I was thinking more in that line honestly, than the hybrid. Thanks, I happen to have most of the stuff already. Need to find full yellow kneepads and gloves.

Thanks a lot!

[serene flare]

I did a Heroic CP and was putting out 1 million damage crits with somehow 83 CC

[frozen hull]

I just don’t see the benefit anymore my strikers tech tank build kill stuff faster and I feel like I survive just as much

[solar sable]

overdrive event

[serene flare]

ah that makes sense, still it's putting out some nuts damage lol

[smoky latch]

It gets outpaced by several other exotics

[frozen hull]

Oh lol

[serene flare]

which ones?

[smoky latch]

Overdogs, for instance :p

Can also run Memento for this build

[serene flare]

lmaoo god Overdogs is so boring though

IMO both Overdogs and Shroud should be fully reworked to do something different
they're so convoluted and boring

[smoky latch]

If you like it, use it. I just gave additional info

I won't force anything on anyone, just talking about facts

[serene flare]

I'll just have to pray for a rework lmao

[smoky latch]

Rework for that mask?

[serene flare]

no, Overdogs and Shroud lmao
but if the mask's damage sucks, I'm sure there's room for it to be buffed
nah, I just hate how so many builds these days start with Overdogs

[smoky latch]

Ah. Well, give it a try. If you play mostly solo it doesn't matter anyway

[smoky latch]

Sharing the same pieces across builds saves you a bunch of inventory space :p

[broken garnet]

I've been thinking about making a striker overdogs build for awhile but i don't hear much about them. I have a striker memento build along with a striker catharsis build, with each build I also use equalizer. I do have a three piece striker, two piece unit alloy, and a NB backpack build (which has been extremely fun imo.) but now im thinking about grinding out some overdogs and wanna know if its worth it 🫡

[serene flare]

I've been using a lot more builds these days, and I haven't run into any space issues, and all of them use completely different gear and weapons

[normal shadow]

Seems like Striker is the go to red build these days. So would say it's worth it.

[smoky latch]

Striker Overdogs is meta for a while and annoys a lot of ppl already :p It's worth it tho, farm for them. NBB is never recommended in PvE however

[serene flare]

NBB?

[flint arch]

NBB 🤢

[smoky latch]

Ninjabike Messenger Backpack = NBB

[serene flare]

Ahh, yeah Ninjabike really fell from grace

[shy willow]

ShinobiCycle Rucksack

[smoky latch]

It's good in PvP, but not for PvE

[broken garnet]

Yeah I figured, I've just been experimenting, but I'll definitely get the gloves, I don't have the blueprints so im guessing grinding retaliation is a start

[broken garnet]

AY MAN I WAS BORED 🥀

[smoky latch]

You can also set your targted loot to gloves while grinding the blueprint

[serene flare]

It definitely needs something to do in PvE
PvP only gear really blows lmao

Overlord looks so cool, but wow it's got such an awful effect

[flint arch]

you don't amputate your arms when you're bored

[broken garnet]

Definitely the plan, that or condemning myself to countdown, I do gotta get that cage mask

[smoky latch]

Fun fact: for a long time most gear benefitted in PvE

Kinda still does but it's different now

[flint arch]

I jest, as long you're aware NBB is not a good option then we're good

[smoky latch]

If you wanna farm Seasonal XP do Priority Objectives, specifically stronholds and missions

[serene flare]

It's so funny to have Ninjabike be a chase drop for me from TD1, but now that I have it in TD2 it's arguably the worst exotic in the game lmao

[smoky latch]

Even if CD is your task for a PO, don't

[broken garnet]

No but I do go into countdown with blue or purple gear when i really feel bored and wanna do something for shits and giggles

[flint arch]

💀

[flint arch]

You should try the 6pc exhausted equipment gear set

[shy willow]

🙏

[smoky latch]

There are ppl who run purple gear with their hardcore characters on legendary, people just look for things to try

[flint arch]

I mean at least purple gear is obviously not a good option unless you're a masochist lmao

[serene flare]

Hardcore players still confuse me to this day
I don't see any reason to do that with how many buggy deaths and error codes are in this game lmao

[smoky latch]

They like living on the edge IG 😛

[flint arch]

Flawed Glass Cannon

Deal 50% reduced damage. Receive 150% more damage.

[serene flare]

being one laggy Outcast rusher away from losing my character would have my blood pressure through the roof

[smoky latch]

has a bit of Blacklisters in it

[flint arch]

They really need to have April Fools exotics that do the opposite of what they say

[serene flare]

What exotics would get buffed if that was the case?

[flint arch]

Bullet Peasant: Mag size reduced to 1, each shot shrinks your and your allies' reserves

[serene flare]

I bet one person would get killed by rolling into someone's Catharsis field if that turned into on Oxidizer drop lmao

[ripe citrus]

newbie question, can i acquire saint elmo in challenge countdown?

[flint arch]

yes, set AR as targeted loot

[subtle bluff]

Have you seen Little Horn?

[flint arch]

[willow sigil]

is there a mechanic where you cannot be hit in the open if your movement is from cover to cover?

[hazy steeple]

I can confirm that you indeed can be shot whilst using cover-to-cover, but it's less likely than if you just ran out in the open.

[willow sigil]

oic

[subtle bluff]

Positioning and gameplay. Very important.

[grand girder]

like rivens said but its more like 95% not gonna get hit, sometimes a stray bullet will land but you can cover to cover and take literally no damage from bullets going striaght into your head

straight*

[willow sigil]

ive just now noticed that

[grand girder]

I thought all of them weren't equipable?

[flint arch]

cover to cover is safer than me booking it with quickstep?
hmm

[grand girder]

sarcasm? if not, yes very much so

[flint arch]

not sarcasm

[grand girder]

lemme see if I can find a clip rq

[flint arch]

i should add this to the glass cannon guide too

[onyx sage]

cover to cover is OP

[hazy steeple]

I genuinely think that tactical applications of quickstep can be as useful, depending on the situation.
mostly: getting to a good spawn nuke spot before enemies are able to scatter.

[flint arch]

Cover-to-cover is a bit impractical to use if you're trying to retreat directly behind you

[hazy steeple]

Panicking and running out in the open is also a great way to get some shiny lead piercings.

[grand girder]

if you are retreating you should be rolling and then ducking into cover along the way

[onyx sage]

you can still achieve it, chaining c2c and rolling is something to master

[grand girder]

but if its a long run cover to cover is still better than just booking it

[flint arch]

I throw my decoy like a Pokemon

[onyx sage]

not to mention while you are in c2c you can pan your camera around and observe surroundings

[flint arch]

So basically:

need to retreat behind me
c2c to the wrong side of the cover
roll to cancel the c2c at the right moment
immediately slide into cover on the correct side of the cover

[onyx sage]

yes

idk if you've watched my zoo run, but during the birdhouse segment you can see i chain c2c and rolls a lot

[flint arch]

i've only done like legendary once so i haven't experienced the pain of having enemies be able to thoroughly suppress you

[onyx sage]

makes it more consistent to get from A to B without being shot at too much

[flint arch]

like the white tusk are really good at vomiting bullets at you 24/7

[willow sigil]

do these walker things have a weakspot? or is it just shoot it until something breaks and you start doing damage to it?

[flint arch]

enemies on heroic don't shoot you as frequently

[subtle bluff]

Warhounds/Dog things right?

[onyx sage]

warhounds? shoot their legs

[flint arch]

their legs have weakpoints, shoot it to temporarily disable them, their legs is also a place without armor (iirc)

[willow sigil]

thanks

[flint arch]

honestly warhounds have become a lot less threatening ever since i learned their legs are a sore spot for them

[onyx sage]

check dm

[subtle bluff]

I gave the video already I forgot about the guide you made..

[flint arch]

@onyx sage alright so basically, when im out in the open, i should c2c and also roll like a maniac
got it

[onyx sage]

so i was basically using c2c as a way to get from A to B, but sometimes i can't get directly to B because it's not within my LOS or it's too far away, so i would chain a roll right after, and loop the c2c/roll chaining until i get to my destination

[flint arch]

i feel like i should link your video in the document as well

[onyx sage]

nah they're lucky runs

no skill

[flint arch]

i am asking seriously

[subtle bluff]

It's your call.

[flint arch]

[onyx sage]

you can include it

[subtle bluff]

You should see my new/return playlist i haven't really updated it for awhile

[flint arch]

also it's funny how i wrote an entire guide on how to not get killed with 6 red cores and yet i still don't know some of the methods to not get killed while using 6 red cores

[onyx sage]

i don't really make tutorial videos, my runs showcase them but i don't really explain unless it's long enough

[willow sigil]

oh yeah, the legs are the way to go. instant damage

[subtle bluff]

We....

[hearty owl]

you should explain I want to hear your voice more often @onyx sage

you could be the next big content creator

[onyx sage]

ew

[hearty owl]

haha jk cause who tf wants to watch zoo runs

dien can you do retals on my acc

[onyx sage]

ask broken

[hearty owl]

no he’s busy now

you’re obv not..

[smoky latch]

He is texting here while he is playing legendaries, doesn't mean anything, lol

[onyx sage]

hahahaha

[flint arch]

look at this garbage diagram i made

[onyx sage]

yeah

[buoyant perch]

Didn't see you contributing to my "How to not die" guide.

[upbeat whale]

Hey, what would be the best eagle bearer build?

[subtle bluff]

Normal strikers.

To note it's not anything special. Normal weapons will out perform it.

[onyx sage]

because idk how to myself sir

[upbeat whale]

Which ones ?

[subtle bluff]

any +790 RPM weapon with DTTooC and Killer (solo) measured

[upbeat whale]

So I could buy the carbine 7 from the vendor this week and put killer on it? Cos I don’t have the Lexington

[subtle bluff]

**ANY **+790 RPM weapon

[willow sigil]

after i defeat keener, is that the end of the expansion? do i move onto brooklyn now?

[hazy steeple]

You can also do some of the Manhunts inbetween, as they take place after WONY but before BfB.

[willow sigil]

i see

[olive cosmos]

do i extract anything that looks like this?

before i start making builds

[tawny mesa]

Yes defo can do that. You can create a build at the same time. Or you fill your library then do a build. Choice is yours. Typically a god roll will occur on one attribute that is not helpful for your build. So use that piece for your library. You can ignore your library until you have the build you want. But you likely find a well stocked library helpful in perfecting your build.

[ivory abyss]

I was looking through ikias builds. Is this one better for legendary vs some of the ones I see with foundry set.

[cloud sorrel]

this gonna be hard to play with multiple players

[ivory abyss]

I meant like for solo my bad

[cloud sorrel]

this is good for solo then yes

[flint arch]

1. this is more designed for max directive summit climbing
2. if you want to do legendary, you are not going to get any benefit from putting blue cores on your build or using foundry bulwark

[ivory abyss]

Ah okay

[smoky latch]

Use some blue cores for survivability if you play solo leggo, perfectly fine.
In case you haven't already taken a look, check these how-to's as rough guides:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsWWMwQ4VU9474CUa6zvQdfJsDVAau2U2&si=SYCl_lvAlobLHcKy

[flint arch]

right solo leggo

[tacit furnace]

is coyotes mask good?

[flint arch]

not meta anymore but it's still solid, also provides a team buff

[strong cave]

It's worth keeping

[tacit furnace]

i js started lvl 40, dont have a build rn

[strong cave]

Keep it. Very valuable piece for newbies

[tacit furnace]

what build do i run

[strong cave]

Striker

[tacit furnace]

what guns?

[strong cave]

Anything that shoots 750 RPM or quicker

Best usage weapon on striker would have to be St Elmo's Engine

[flint arch]

Level 40 starter guide
Striker guide

[strong cave]

Big mag size, solid crit mods, works perfect

[tacit furnace]

How to grind exotic weapons

[strong cave]

Locate Countdown in map > Select Target loot to Assault rifles > Matchmake countdown on challenging

After every 2 runs, visit the countdown vendor and buy exotic caches

[tacit furnace]

btw, is grinding striker on summit better than countdown

[strong cave]

It's worse... Like immeasurably worse

[tacit furnace]

So summit is only components and stuff like that,?

[strong cave]

Summit drops maybe 5-7 pieces every few hours. Countdown drops like 50 pieces per run

[tacit furnace]

Worst thing is, i do no dmg and die fast, my current exotic is bluescreen

[strong cave]

Summit is just there as a "I'm bored of everything else" location you visit

It used to be a place you'd go farm at

[strong cave]

Yeah countdown would help you bigtime. It's an 8 player mode

[devout iris]

So what build goes with refactor here?

Cause I was thinking of giving the refactor a try

[strong cave]

In my player experience, it is nice having someone run refactor if built properly. It still doesn't compare to a normal Future Initiative healer, but works for what it is. I'd be the last person to ask about that tho

[tacit furnace]

quick question, but what is library, tinkering and expertise

[strong cave]

You'll need to know that later on when you plan on making builds. I would recommend giving someone on YT a watch bc explaining all of it will take hours

[tacit furnace]

but rn, do i need it or nah

[strong cave]

Since you're new I'll give you a quick rundown on what to do with Library/Tinker.

On builds, when you plan on changing shit around and maxing attributes out, you'll want to fill your Library with max attributes/talents you find on gear. When you find gear you want to keep, you can tinker that item and slot on what you want. You can only tinker if you have the stuff added into your library.

To make builds, you kinda do need it yes

You start with absolutely nothing in your library so you'll have to chase down those max attributes as you're farming a striker build

If it still confuses you, I can send you a video here that explains everything

[tacit furnace]

Can u send one, im still a bit confused on some part

[broken garnet]

Library:
Pull traits from other items and store them so you can recalibrate them onto better items (recalibrating is taking a trait or attribute and putting it onto another item)
Tinkering:
This is where you actually recalibrate an item or optimize it (optimizing is upgrading the damage, armor, etc of an item which costs materials)
Expertise:
This is basically leveling each weapon type, gear brand, exotic, and so on. As you gain expertise the gun will level up till its "proficient" and there its gaining proficiency levels which is increased by making more and more guns/armor proficient. Max proficiency level is 30 I think

[tacit furnace]

so like, library is for traits, expertise is for weapon lvl, and tinkering is for changing stats?

[broken garnet]

Pretty much yes

If you're below max level (level 40) then you don't gotta worry right now but im guessing you are

So for now just examine each item you get and if it has something maxed out on it like "Damage to targets out of cover" you can take the trait off it at the tinker station

[strong cave]

https://youtu.be/SGhMcLRawyI?si=ObsrSoJV4NZRVR1C

This is the shortest video I could find. Any other one is half an hour and it's the yellow rain jacket skull mask guy who we don't recommend around here

[tacit furnace]

okay got that down, now how do i utilize it

[broken garnet]

That YouTube video will probably tell you how better than I can

Oh and just a warning you can only recalibrate an item once so be careful

[strong cave]

Yeah a YouTube video in this case would actually be more helpful than mountains of text

Even if it's from our oh-so-wonderful "Divtubers"

[broken garnet]

Yeah if you need a full video im sure nothingbutskillz or kamikazevondoom have something so you'll be alright 🫡

[strong cave]

I genuinely tried to find a short and popular video but they're all from kvd. Half an hour in length. All yap

Avoid kamikaze (KVD). Spiels too much, gives terrible advice, posts extremely underperforming if not useless builds. Skillz is fine but more on the casual side. The true div content people you want to pay attention to is DJ Tickle and iKia

[tacit furnace]

yea i genuinely need a build, i feel so weak in challening countdowns

[strong cave]

Rogue gold is also fine for game news

[broken garnet]

Honestly I'd suggest either a heartbreaker or striker build

Heart breaker is good with survivability while striker is damage

You actually have many options, depends on your play style and what you wanna spec into

[strong cave]

Heartbreaker is a worse striker. LLP is finicky, doesn't always work. Not everyone has a head either so ensuring things are pulsed is a chore. Nevermind the fact that if your system is disrupted, God forbid you need to use your pulse skill. Striker is as simple as point + click = damage. There's no middleman mechanic. Plus to get actually good damage off of heartbreaker you need to peel off nearly all the blue cores. Otherwise you're dependent on stacks for damage up front and the survivability allows you to take an extra 3 bullets before you're dead

[tender robin]

i have striker build now and i want to explore more about builds, like if i want to go tank build or support build and how the games work like this , is there any video or somethin recommended ?

[strong cave]

Don't play tank. Tanking in division 2 is subjective and the definition is misleading. At some point, you will die. Taking more bullets and dealing less damage is a bad choice. Being able to deal more damage is usually a good choice. There are very few good tank support builds that actually make a difference in battle

[cloud sorrel]

And what if he wants to play tank when he plays with some friends ? saying ppl that they shouldn't play something is as dumb as saying don't use any blue cores

[strong cave]

It just depends on how you play them

[cloud sorrel]

even if it is not meta, let ppl play what they want to play, this is a game after all

[tender robin]

i want to understand this, so in the game the most meta is damage and melting the enemies, and for yellow ? if i want to go yellow this will drop my damage im i wrong ?

[cloud sorrel]

some comp builds are really strong, it is just another gamestyle, your dmg wont be coming from your guns, but from your skills

[strong cave]

I mean, to be fair, this is build advice. Don't come to build advice if you aren't looking for it lol. And additionally, I gave reasons why I wouldn't recommend playing it. If they want to play tank, they're more than okay to do so. It's not like I'm holding a gun to anyone's head and holding hostages. But tanking in division 2 is a very misleading term that changes with nearly every person you ask. And it just doesn't exist in this game. You will die at some point, you just can't escape that reality

[tender robin]

so you mean like there damage is very good as red and they also can be support ?

[strong cave]

Going yellow will drop weapon damage for increase in skill utility

This game favors dealing damage. Going anything other than red is nerfing clear times and overall damage output

I wish it wasn't like this but it is how it is

[tacit furnace]

how do i access countdown vendor

[tender robin]

from yesterday im searching and this is what i understand that the tanking is not as it the other games like your really a tanky

[strong cave]

There's a computer to the right of the conflict lady you talk to for pvp matches and such. That's the countdown vendor

[strong cave]

Yeah in other games, being a tank means being a damage sponge. In division 2, everything kills you pretty quickly. The extra armor delays your death, nerfs your damage, and makes your time to clear slower and more gruesome. It just is how it is right now

[tender robin]

so for any focusing like yellow or blue the main priority is damage and it's just about damage but in another way

[willow sigil]

In my short time playing, I've found that if all youre trying to do is heroic content it doesn't really matter what you use. Anything can clear heroic as long as it synergies and makes sense. Vets will recommend the most optimal builds because this is a what the channel is for i am assuming. It's no different than the destiny community.

[strong cave]

You can take some armor cores on damage builds and still be okay. It just reached a point where having too many armor cores will make you more useless than useful

[strong cave]

Spot on. Heroic content, nearly any build can clear it with the right player. When you get to legendary is when the skill gap really shines. Then with master and other content too. Heroic is a pretty low bar to clear, Legendary/Master is where most optimal builds are tested

[cloud sorrel]

in any other games being a tank will also makes your time to clear slower, in every game tanking means losing some dps, this is the truth about tanking in any MMORPG

[strong cave]

Us vets in the community will not recommend "for fun" builds unless tested thoroughly

[tender robin]

well it's useless if it doesn't matter why would i pick armor for 1sc and lose my dps

[strong cave]

properly forgetting the fact it's a multiplayer game, and a bad tank can hold a group of DPS back as easily as 1 bad DPS on a team of DPS.

I've seen it firsthand with how some of these players play on division 2

I mean, shit, go matchmake countdown on challenging right now and you'll see 3 piece striker everywhere.

[broken garnet]

Tank builds used to be a thing but that was in year one of the game when armor 1.0 was still a thing, now not so much

[strong cave]

You're also right on the money about the builds thing. If all of us recommended ninjabike striker, you think newbies would be at the damage ceiling the rest of us are sitting at? No

[gray cloud]

is the deflector still a viable skill to build around or is it now useless in endgame content

[willow sigil]

Asking for what is fun is not what what this channel is for imo. I have the same issue in my own community server. Fun is subjective and varies depending on the person. Anyone can read the set bonuses and determine what is fun for them. But numerical data is objective and always factual when giving advice

[strong cave]

It's useless

[willow sigil]

I feel like it's just a looter genre thing

[strong cave]

People fail to realize that clarifying "yes, I know it's not optimal, but I'm tinkering with something and need some ideas". Majority won't give a damn it's not "meta", they'll throw you ideas lol

[tender robin]

so for any build i want to search for my main focus is on my damage out but the different is how the is style i want to do the damage

[gray cloud]

aw man i enjoyed it when i first started playing years ago

[strong cave]

But you post a build that's not optimal or give some weird non-optimal advice to a newbie, they may think of it wrong and it can ruin player experience

Not just for you, but your fellow agents, too

And believe me, at 19k SHD, my back is awfully tired carrying loads of you newer players

[willow sigil]

Correct. Learn the most optimal way to play the game and improve fundamentals first. Then branch out.

[strong cave]

Correct 100%

It's how I learned it myself too. I recommend everyone learn the optimal first then branch out for fun

[willow sigil]

Usually once you actually understand how to play the game and how the mechanics work, you wouldn't need to come here as often as you can answer your own questions.

[tender robin]

.

[strong cave]

Pretty much. Eventually I learned which gear was good, which was garbage, and I stopped coming here so often for help. Only when I need serious number crunching or game inquiry do I come here. Most of the time I come here for laughs and fun and to help newer players

[broken garnet]

Pretty much, the most direct build you can do that pretty much everybody does is a 4 piece striker with equalizer and an exotic (mainly overdogs, memento, or coyotes mask, sometimes a catharsis too), pair that with whatever types of guns you do best with and you're chillin

[strong cave]

I play pvp as well so I play ALL content in this game. It's night and day different

[tender robin]

this is why im asking the dumb questions so i can understand the game core and i can know directly how the game really works

[broken garnet]

I'd recommend getting the st elmos OR if you ever do get a group then farm the paradise lost incursion for ouroboros

[strong cave]

Could easily do a HeadHunter build

[willow sigil]

I do the same thing too to build my walking legs so that I can run on my own

No question is dumb.

[broken garnet]

Ngl for shits and giggles I think they should've added the house from div 1 for the anniversary event, I remember grinding that for months 😭✌🏻

[tender robin]

what is HeadHunter build

[willow sigil]

In the pins in this channel there is a link to a compendium that has a build tab and tells you most of what you need to know.

[tender robin]

i think it's the one shot build

[willow sigil]

Look over that, and then come back here for clarification

[strong cave]

Yeah it's the 1 shot build. There's multiple versions you can make of it

1886 rifle, Marksman, Shotgun, Pistols, overdogs, tinkerer mask, list goes on and on and on for the types of gear that can work good with HeadHunter builds

[willow sigil]

They tell me that is good for farming xp

[buoyant perch]

true

[neon zealot]

the evil hyena rusher:

[keen plank]

Whats the best in slot rifle? Good talents for a crit rifle build?

Im between rifleman and boomerang

[cloud sorrel]

i like both, been using rifleman on a sig, and boomerang on an m1A x)

[keen plank]

Nice. The M1A classic or the CQB?

[cloud sorrel]

classic

[tacit furnace]

Just got st elmos engine, whats next?

[gentle lichen]

Enjoy it

[tacit furnace]

How do i get ceska alloys and other stuff

[cloud sorrel]

same as you did for the st elmo

target farm

[cloud sorrel]

and you don't want the ceska anymore

[willow sigil]

Roll for dtoc

[cloud sorrel]

i mean good to start, but you can farm an equalizer and overdogs at the same time

doing retaliations, aiming for hyenas

[tacit furnace]

What shld i get then

[cloud sorrel]

i just told you

[tacit furnace]

what are those

oh nvm vest and gloves

[willow sigil]

Equalizer is a named unit alloys chest. Overdogs are exotic gloves

[tacit furnace]

are these optimal or in the meta for starters rn?

[willow sigil]

Optimal. I think for starters you just run 2 unit alloy pieces with obliterate until you can get the optimal pieces

[tacit furnace]

how about striker 4 piece (mask gloves holster kneepads) and then unit alloys chest + backpack? got this from a recent yt vid

[willow sigil]

I think you run ua holster. The salvos for the rate of fire

[tacit furnace]

btw, how do i change the attributes of st elmos engine?

[willow sigil]

You have to reconfigure

Buy the reconfigure blueprint from the lady in the crafting station

[tacit furnace]

also how do i change attributes of a piece

[willow sigil]

You recalibrate.

That's in the tinkering menu

[tacit furnace]

gear piece

[flint arch]

yt is a bad source for build info

[willow sigil]

Yeah for gear pieces

[flint arch]

though at the very least, that arrangement is not the worst thing to exist

[tacit furnace]

but should i run it or follow the one in the document

[flint arch]

follow the document

[tacit furnace]

this one right?

also quick question, how do i grind those critical damage, critical chance gear mod things

[willow sigil]

The doc is most optimal. But that doesn't mean is readily available. So you just use what you can get easily as baby steps

[flint arch]

Striker backpack is the most reliable
Vigilance backpack technically deals more damage, but is worse than using overdogs

It's also harder to play because getting shot means you lose a large chunk of your damage

[tacit furnace]

?

[flint arch]

you can do countdown and TL gear mods

[tacit furnace]

whats the method for countdown, and whats TL gear mods?

[cloud sorrel]

bro

they sent you the guide 10 times already, did you read it ? x)

[flint arch]

don't worry we are experts at repeating ourselves for the 999999292nd time

[willow sigil]

Open map and hold h. Click on the gear mod icon. Then go matchmake tab and select countdown on challenging. Press z when the invite prompt pops up

[obsidian bronze]

Is strikers backpack better or the ninjabike backpack mixed with some other sets while still keeping the t4 striker perk?

[flint arch]

do not use NBB

[willow sigil]

Striker

[flint arch]

you lose more by foregoing the backpack talent

no amount of stats you can get from mix and matching sets will make up for losing the backpack talent

[obsidian bronze]

Fair enough

[cloud sorrel]

the only time you're getting rid of the backback is to use a memento tbh

[willow sigil]

Is that the collecting one?

[flint arch]

memento is the only acceptable exotic backpack replacement really

[cloud sorrel]

but i hate it x)

[flint arch]

I don't like it myself honestly

[cloud sorrel]

i don't have fun using the memento

[willow sigil]

It sounds like a lot of extra work

[livid sorrel]

it's easier to use if you play something close range because you might as well grab them

[cloud sorrel]

i'm trying to make a bruiser that works out of an heartbreaker right now without using the memento, for now my choice is on the Devil's Due backpack, but i will need to find something else to get the dmg i'm missing using that backpack

[flint arch]

it pairs well with hunter's fury tbh

[cloud sorrel]

this is the only build i'm using a memento with, my hunter's fury shotgun build x)

[flint arch]

clutch is mega useless

[willow sigil]

Do you need to have an exotic piece in this game for a structurally viable build?

[cloud sorrel]

i'm using the overdogs

[cloud sorrel]

it kinda helps staying alive on some situations, but yeah, i feel like having more dmg would help me better, i just need to find what to use, vigilence isn't really a good choice for my playstyle since i'm rushing the mobs so i will get hit

[flint arch]

there was a specific talent for that but I don't really remember

[cloud sorrel]

the spider one maybe ?

[flint arch]

need to look at the build guide for HF again

[livid sorrel]

Not really, it's just that overdogs is just a really good universal piece

[flint arch]

Intimidate talent

[cloud sorrel]

this is a chest talent :3

[flint arch]

oh wait that's a chest talent lmao

sorry its like 6 am and I haven't even slept

[livid sorrel]

adrenaline rush?

[flint arch]

okay so uh... yeah its all defensive stuff

the classic pick of memento, and then adrenaline rush and bloodsucker

[cloud sorrel]

i was thinking bloodsucker maybe

[willow sigil]

Honestly, I might be better off using something other than overdogs. I'm not skilled enough to prioritize targets. I'm prob better off getting 15% all the time than 30% some of the time

I can't even match the unit name to the icon let alone memorize what tier they are in

[livid sorrel]

It's honestly a matter of just playing the game until you get used to it

[flint arch]

you don't need to proc overdogs talent 100% of the time to make it work well

honestly, if you just completely ignored any gameplay consideration with the talent and just shot the enemies the same way you did, you would deal more damage overall

[livid sorrel]

I can't tell you the tiers to save my life but I feel I'm using overdogs like 75% of the time

[willow sigil]

That's exactly what I do lol. If it works it works

The thing is with these ges anything extra just feels exactly that, extra.

[flint arch]

I gravitate towards lower tier enemies more when i use it but it doesn't really weigh on my mind when I use it

[livid sorrel]

I always think rushers are a lower tier than assaults even if theyre the same tier

[lament reef]

so if you don’t use overdogs, your next best option is probably coyote’s

which is also conditional on you being in the correct range from enemies to get peak damage

[flint arch]

If this is too difficult, try PVGC Striker. no need for target prioritization to maximize damage anymore, so it's way easier!

just ignore all the caveats

[willow sigil]

When I was reading it, I didn't realize t3 was the lowest tier. I had thought you get the amp from t1 units instead of t3

[cloud sorrel]

i tried that build again yesterday when you talked about it, but you're basicaly having the same dmg than with a standard striker/overdogs no ?

[flint arch]

the talent description isn't very clear, and it mentions bodyguards which don't exist as an enemy archetype

[cloud sorrel]

since you lose the backpack, you're just taking more dmg yourself x)

[lament reef]

nah, the sniper Shroud works like that though

[flint arch]

100% vigilance uptime means like, i dunno, 30? 60% overdogs uptime on standard striker

[willow sigil]

So what happens if you wear both? Do you get constant amp or no amp?

[flint arch]

so it just becomes a lot more difficult to use

[flint arch]

if there are enemies across the spectrum, you get no amp for shooting a tier 2 enemy

oh wait i thought you were talking about shroud and overdogs

oh wait i misunderstood about having a misunderstanding

Jesus christ I can't think clearly anymore i need to sleep

[willow sigil]

That makes sense. And then amp for t1 and t3

I was.

[cloud sorrel]

i feel like sacrifice/vigilance isn't that worth it anymore on a striker now since we have already good sources of dmg that wont make you die in a heartbeat

[flint arch]

yes, but it's fun**

and you get bragging rights

and also my ego no longer allows me to use any other form of striker

[cloud sorrel]

x)

anyway, i need to farm a new ceska backpack to try bloodsucker now lol

[eternal oriole]

So im new to this meta building for this game, checked out the master list excel sheet...

My question is I love the seeker mines, is there a build out there that would incorporate those?

I guess im going for a skill build, but most say turret and drone.

[cloud sorrel]

yes check ikias build recommandations list, there should be one neaar the bottom

[livid sorrel]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1GN69iUrteLediJjwFtT9-MBe8HRBgyCHascJtok1Q-Y

[eternal oriole]

Oh i must have missed that one!

Thank you so much! ❤️

[willow sigil]

I see this recommended often. Is there really no better brand to run than crit chance when that stat is already so readily available?

[burnt bone]

many sets want crit

[cloud sorrel]

i'm using an heartbreaker right now, so i need the chc

[willow sigil]

It's already easy enough to hit cap without it. is it really worth spending a brand on it?

[cloud sorrel]

yes, cause heartbreaker means using the laser mod on your weapon, so you need to get chc elsewhere

[burnt bone]

Sure it’s easy, but the extra crit gives you more flexibility

Instead of chc on an armor attribute, you can run chd

It’s also just a generally flexible bonus e.g. it’s not limited to like, ARs or smth

[willow sigil]

Is that stronger than what another brand potential could give you?

[cloud sorrel]

what would i use eitherway ?

gs ? it will be the same results tbh

[burnt bone]

More or less yeah

[cloud sorrel]

since i would just swap one mod for another

i would swap 2% CHC for 1% CHD, knowing that i can't use a laser that gives me CHC, i'm taking the 2% CHC from the ceska

i'm at 59% CHC for 105% CHD right now

[burnt bone]

Is this for heartbreaker specifically

[willow sigil]

I'm not sure. I don't know all the brand bonuses. To me it just feels like a shifting of stats that adds more math to your build, and makes it harder to swap pieces around because now you're relying on a non gearset piece of gear for 8% when if you had that 8% already built into the core of your gearset because you always need the crit, to me it feels like you get less flexibility because you just locked yourself into that brand

[cloud sorrel]

it depends, but this is the only set where i'm using a ceska piece atm yeah

[burnt bone]

Yeah heartbreaker is very crit starved, ceska backpack with vigilance is the most standard I believe

[cloud sorrel]

i'm using bloodsucker on it rn

cause vigilance can't stay procced while going IN the fight

this is the dmg i get right now with the 50% chd bonus tho, it will be around 1.150.000 when the event will end, but i'm using bloodsucker so i have some survivability on top of heartbreaker right now, without any expertise and a bad gun atm

[burnt bone]

The way I think about it is, most gun builds want crit (except headshot builds). We’re always aiming for that 55%-59% range, and use pieces of our build to do that. The lower our crit baseline is, the more space in the build we have to dedicate chc. I think ceska just offers the most flexibility by freeing up space for chd, handling/stability mods on the gun, whatever

[burnt bone]

You’ll probably have more survivability if you can kill things faster (with a backpack damage talent 👀). Full red Heartbreaker isn’t that much tankier than striker

[true tulip]

Apologize to respond on a post days ago, may I ask you how your settings are? Which resolution, dx11 or 12?

[willow sigil]

Yeah I'm only familiar with striker so if hb is as crit starved as you say it is, it could be that ceska is a non negotiable piece. I've just seen it recommended for striker also so I was confused on the logic

[burnt bone]

You typically run linked laser pointer (which does NOT give chc) to make heartbreaker work which is already limiting build space

[cloud sorrel]

i mean if i get rid of the silencer, so it means i'm ok with losing some precision, i could just in theory take the ceska off, using CHC on my body armour instead of CHD and use a grupo sumbra instead, i would be at 62% CHC (so capped) for 106% CHD

[fringe ravine]

Is the pestilence true sons build still viable ?

[burnt bone]

And ceska is recommended in striker because again, more crit chance = more build space for other things

[livid sorrel]

wdym by true sons

[burnt bone]

Nowadays tho striker is equalizer or sacrifice + overdogs or other exotic

[fringe ravine]

True patriot

[burnt bone]

So ceska is recommended to lower shd players who don’t have watch bonus

[patent fossil]

If you're crit starved, you generally want to maintain a crit chance/damage ratio of 1:2, as this is the ratio available on most stats.
This means the 8% chc on ceska is worth the same as 16% chd, so it's a bigger bonus for one item than you'll get from any other brand.

If you're running something that depends heavily on crits (like nego or killer) then of course you'll want to just push your chc up to 60% asap however low your chd is.

[burnt bone]

I’d stick with 11, I’ve heard 12 is generally more unstable which might make an already unstable game unhappy

[livid sorrel]

No, the pestilence build is concentrated company now

[burnt bone]

Ok cool I thought it was statistically the best option as well but I dont know all the brand bonuses and could’ve missed smth

[fringe ravine]

Should I keep true patriot gear or break it down ?

[burnt bone]

I don’t use it

[ripe citrus]

do i get exotic AR in Countdown challenge? or only by buying the exotic chest?

[burnt bone]

They have a chance to drop, make sure you’re targeting ARs

[ripe citrus]

thanks

[cloud sorrel]

I'm using 2 blue cores rn, but i tried to build a bruiser working without the memento, and for the backpack talent, i felt like i either needed something that can add some survivability cause i don't think playing vigilance would help me in that case since i wont be able to keeping it up at all time with my current playstyle, can think about something else tho, i'm still in the theorycrafting phase x)

[burnt bone]

Backpack is kinda bad, vigilance is also strong because taking damage to bonus armor or shield doesn’t break it

[cloud sorrel]

i thought about Unstoppable Force, but i'm not sure it'll be better than having bloodsucker letting me go in the melee

[burnt bone]

What difficulty do you play on

[cloud sorrel]

heroic/legendary

[ebon lantern]

Anyone have a blue build they are a big fan of for Legendary content? Or is it worth just dropping red for like 2 stacks of blue?

[cloud sorrel]

if you wanna go blue you can but don't ask in here ppl will tell you that's bad x)

[ebon lantern]

Oh dam, I just like the variety

[cloud sorrel]

all joke aside, 4 bulwark with chest and backpack is a good strater, with either a liberty or a tempest and the big shield

[burnt bone]

Bloodsucker lets you facetank heroic and legendary enemies?

[cloud sorrel]

armor and armor regen on it with protec from elites mods on mask, backpack and chest

[cloud sorrel]

heroic with directives yeah, still haven't tried in legendary tho, i'm jsut making the build up atm

[ebon lantern]

I love it, ty!

[true tulip]

Thank you for the response ❤️

[burnt bone]

The problem is blue builds don’t really do anything in legendary. You can stand there taking damage, but you’re less help to team than if you were actually killing things

[cloud sorrel]

actually, you can be very helpful using a set to increase menace

you tank everything while shooting them to the face with a liberty

while your team can run around killing them x)

[burnt bone]

You could look into support builds if you haven’t already, boosting team damage or disabling enemies with foam or the like

[ebon lantern]

Fair, think I just felt so freaking squishy lol. But was my first time playing the difficulty. Things get crazy. I just thought I could help the team if I'm taking aggro and they can murder everything

[cloud sorrel]

this is the point of 4 bulwarks and 2 imminence actually

you need the liberty to keep your shield/armor up tho, but it is kinda nice

[burnt bone]

Again, I don’t think this really does anything for the team. You’re just increasing enemy health while not adding damage to the team.

[ebon lantern]

Will def take a peak, appreciate the info!

[livid sorrel]

Woah, another tank build debate

[cloud sorrel]

i mean, the point is having fun, if he wan't to taunt all the enemies in a room and make his allies not being targeted by any ennemies, it's kinda fun

[livid sorrel]

If tanks had a good way to take aggro, maybe

[burnt bone]

This simply isn’t how it plays out tho

Enemy aggro is scuffed

[ebon lantern]

Fair, can't deny that

[livid sorrel]

Aggro is based on damage mostly, so your DPS allies will take the aggro from you, then the enemies will gun them down in 2 seconds, then your tank build in 2.5 seconds

[ebon lantern]

Gotcha, appreciate all the info everyone. maybe I'll take a peak at a support style then

[lament reef]

the world if imminence brand set was good 🌇 🌈

[livid sorrel]

Join the EP support gang

[burnt bone]

Do you like it with the shock trap or restore hive 👀

[lapis basin]

Look into catharsis refractors with backpack and capacitor

Join us

[livid sorrel]

I've been running restore hive for legendaries, below that i usually run burn sticky

[burnt bone]

With vile? Or no exotic

[livid sorrel]

Vile for burn, BTSU for hive

[ebon lantern]

Have a build guide or anything? Or is it on the spreadsheet?

[burnt bone]

oh true the pieces are simlar enough

[livid sorrel]

#td2-build-advice message

[burnt bone]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yTpZconNI79H0165-nwpLMIDZaS-f5Gd-WHQGAoQY2M/edit?usp=sharing

[ebon lantern]

On EP stands for Eclipse Protocol, need more coffee this morning

ty

[willow sigil]

Does tanking in this game mean pulling aggro?

[burnt bone]

There isn’t really tanking in this game

[lone violet]

Bruh

[thorn frost]

wdym?

[willow sigil]

I can see a viability for "tank" builds if the definition of tanking is taking a considerable about of bullets before you die. Because while you're taking longer to kill, you have less of the gamble of if you're going to get 3 tapped or not, and could prob be more consistent.

[thorn frost]

So is either I got kill or I kill them fast right away.

[willow sigil]

Right, and from my understanding, killing them faster is always the reccomendation.

[thorn frost]

maybe we all have different perspective of having fun lol.

[willow sigil]

Yes but we're not talking about fun. We're talking about objective based optimizations

[burnt bone]

It’s not even an issue of fun

Tank builds are fundamentally flawed

The more you build into tankiness, the longer it takes to kill enemies, which means they have more chances to kill you

[willow sigil]

I haven't messed with it, but if a tank build is only keeping you alive for an extra 1-2 secs that doesn't seem like a good tradeoff to me

[burnt bone]

If you’re having fun on a tank build in heroic or legendary, it’s usually because your teammates are carrying you

[lone violet]

For a sniper set up what skills do people run?

[burnt bone]

Decoy is good, revive hive if you think you might die

Foam is nice sometimes

[ebon lantern]

Well Prototype gear inc. This will be neat

[lone violet]

yep

random chance to apply a status effect ooo

[strong cave]

DX11 and I run a custom graphics config

[true tulip]

Which resolution? When I use below 1280x800 my internal upscaling is bad because the top is cut off

[buoyant perch]

spreadsheet enjoyers will have a field day with this

[lone violet]

lmao

[pallid siren]

is cc a good set? on paper it sounds super op but when i try it in shooting range js to see dps it does 2-3m dps less than striker.

[cloud sorrel]

check your dms when you're able to 🙂

[livid sorrel]

CoCo? Are you using the backpack? It should keep up with striker, if i'm reading the sheets right

[true elk]

quick question whaat's the best rifle, marksman rifle , assault rifle and shotgun ? like in high-end and exotic ? and is there a talent really top tier on each ?

[pallid siren]

yeah, though the gear has abt 1-3% less wpn dmg on each piece it should still keep up, it does higher crit but js a bit higher and almost same or lower non crit and 2m less dps, i dont understand it

[pallid siren]

ar and killer, op combo if you can kill enemies fast

[burnt bone]

CoCo is annoying to stack

That’s why it’s not ran as often

[true elk]

killer ? and i was more tlaking about which one x)

[pallid siren]

m4 famas st elmos

[pallid siren]

with my math it should be way better but it isnt

[livid sorrel]

It should keep up if i'm reading this right
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1umXmZjLbZ394DQDQ0_o_bRE1a3PhIjsVkycnWRyhrCg

[pallid siren]

it doesnt and idk why

[true elk]

and st elmos the exotic right ?

[pallid siren]

yy

[livid sorrel]

The cores and attributes might be different

[true elk]

thanks and what is the killer ?

[burnt bone]

CoCo stacks weird

thats why

[pallid siren]

all red and less wpn dmg on gear but still even if i had 9% wpn dmg on all teh coco it should be better

[pallid siren]

ah so on paper its op but in reality its useless?

[livid sorrel]

It stacks slower, but the stacks decay slower as well

[pallid siren]

yeah

still should be better at max stacks

[livid sorrel]

Are the builds you're testing the exact same? Ikia's sheet had equalizer and overdogs on both

[lament reef]

coco stacks super fast in groups, kind of hard to make it work solo

[pallid siren]

same js coco instead of striker

[onyx sage]

coco's biggest strength rn is giving weapon damage, which synergizes with pesti more, since pesti doesn't benefit from striker amp

[signal frigate]

Should I use bullet king with my tipping scales build ?

[livid sorrel]

Sure, it works

[signal frigate]

Or does bullet king work for other builds

[pallid siren]

idk, maybe striker but bk sucks tbh

[lone violet]

new exotic mask looks dope

[signal frigate]

Fair I been using big Alejandro

[pallid siren]

so coco is worse than striker? cuz i js cant get it to be better, maybe its the strikers + 15% rpm that makes it way better

[burnt bone]

Are you consistently maintaining max stacks of CoCo

[lone violet]

what gear set is good for a shotgun set up?

[livid sorrel]

Hunter's fury

[pallid siren]

shooting range may stacks coco max equalizer killer talent on m4 and consistently striker 1st mag goes 13m dps and coco 1st mag does 10m

[slate wedge]

Hunter’s Fury either on Crit or with Headhunter specced into headshots

[lone violet]

i got a super 90 i been wanting to use with hunters

[daring plaza]

guys need help

[burnt bone]

Oh are you using the shooting range to compare the damage of striker and coco

[pallid siren]

yeah

[daring plaza]

is this ok/

[pallid siren]

since its easy to stack up

[burnt bone]

Shooting range is 💩

[lone violet]

think i might just do full crit

[burnt bone]

It lies

[pallid siren]

so irl coco might be better but shooting range lies?

[livid sorrel]

range only useful for getting individual dmg numbers tbh

[lone violet]

so would over dogs work for a hunters set up? or smth like tinker

[burnt bone]

Probably not

Solo definitely not

[daring plaza]

guys help pls?

[burnt bone]

What are you asking. Is what ok

[lone violet]

questin would tinker mask work?

[burnt bone]

And I can’t tell if coco is bugged, at least visually. I did a countdown with pestilence coco and didn’t get a stack once

[daring plaza]

is the build ok what do i need to do

[burnt bone]

Oh. No it’s not great, have you read the lvl 40 starter guide - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

And it’s easiest if you show us a picture of the whole build, and the stats page so we can see crit chance and stuff

[grave temple]

LF someone to teach me what to go for build wise

[burnt bone]

Are you level 40

[grave temple]

yes

[daring plaza]

the dmange is not 150 and crit chance 30 something

[daring plaza]

people say striker is good

[burnt bone]

Read this - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[daring plaza]

i sent u the img is it decent

[burnt bone]

No, read the document I sent

[slate wedge]

i would rather go for something like adrush + intimidate

or adrush + memento for more shield tiers

[lone violet]

would over dogs work?

[daring plaza]

it says go to countdown and focus on chc and chd

[slate wedge]

not really, you don’t want Hunter’s Fury backpack or chestpiece

[burnt bone]

Is this a question

[lone violet]

ok ok so let me farm the other parts because i do have momento

[daring plaza]

no im telling but that is what ive already done as ive collected the chd and chc im asking are those gears ok to upgrade

[obsidian bronze]

Keep or reconfigure or optimise?

Sorry for bad quality

[burnt bone]

theres an event right now thats giving you +25% crit chance. You want to be at or above 75% to be in a decent spot when the event ends. The strikers chest isnt worth using. Swap the tip of the spear mask for a strikers one

[daring plaza]

+25 chance for optimzing armor? how can i improve it

[burnt bone]

i dont understand the question

[daring plaza]

im asking how can i improve these stats can i upgrade them

[burnt bone]

read the whole thing - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=sharing

[slate wedge]

reconfigure to chc as third attribute

[obsidian bronze]

What is chc?

[burnt bone]

critical hit chance

[obsidian bronze]

Im new to the game and dont quite know all the acronyms

[slate wedge]

C(ritical) H(it) C(hance)

[obsidian bronze]

Gotcha

[obsidian bronze]

Does optimize max out the stat or does it only increase it slightly because it doesnt look like it max's it

[willow sigil]

Optimizing goes as high as you have the stat value for it in your library

[daring plaza]

tysm ive read just one last question where can i find material for tinkering station

[obsidian bronze]

But for example my AR's have 15 in library but my chameleon when optimised only goes to 13.8?

[burnt bone]

The crafting materials? They’re just around. I dismantle equipment I don’t need and that gives you a bunch

You’ll see them listed in mission rewards as well

[slate wedge]

chc = critical hit chance
chd = critical hit damage
hsd = headshot damage
hazprot = hazard protection
explores = explosive resistance
SysCo = System Corruption (gearset)
TS = tipping scales (gearset) or True Sons (enemy faction)
UA = Unit Alloys (brandset)
HF = Hunter’s Fury (gearset)
CoCo = Concentrated Company (gearset)

some acronyms off the top of my hat

[obsidian bronze]

Ohh gotchaa

If I optimise this big al I got it only goes up slightly but in my library I have 15%?

[slate wedge]

it increases a stat by a small amount but if the stat is maxed in your library you can get it to max by optimising multiple times

[tepid pawn]

It says u don't have any elemtents to transfer into this item

[obsidian bronze]

Its so expensive☹️

Optimising this big al dmg rn goes from 9 to 9.6

Ain't no way im spending that many resources for a .6

[burnt bone]

Read the library section - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[shy willow]

Optimisation is intended for players with plenty of resources and wanting to squeeze their builds to the max

[tepid pawn]

For me it says u don't have any items to transfer items attributes need to be extracted

[burnt bone]

Read the library section - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[willow sigil]

Is either that or reroll until you get closer to max. Just depends on how badly you want it

[obsidian bronze]

I only have 6 more exotic components do I just reroll big al more and hope I get a better version of the same one?

Or keep this one as is for now

[burnt bone]

I’d keep

[obsidian bronze]

Okay

[foggy flame]

Anyone got tips on how make good tank build I haven’t played really since 2023isg

[burnt bone]

Not particularly, tank builds don’t really work in this game

[foggy flame]

Ah

[burnt bone]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1wZI1ZEwq3qQxGwmdPnVXcGHxf7D2-xOLRm0m7bfDTlE/edit you could do this, I’d swap the blue cores to red

[cloud sorrel]

and it wont be tanky at all x)

[foggy flame]

Rip tanks build but look like we going glass cannon dps

[neon gorge]

you can take a look at ikia's techtank builds you can find the channel on youtube

[burnt bone]

Yeah that’s what I linked

[neon gorge]

ah my bad

[tepid pawn]

Bro I have 600 steel and 800 titanium

[burnt bone]

that isnt the issue

[burnt bone]

this is why you cant transfer. Its telling you

[tepid pawn]

Telling me what t

[burnt bone]

what

read the message you sent

which part are you confused about

[cloud sorrel]

to transfer items attributes need to be extracted

[burnt bone]

this is as clear an explanation as youre going to get

[tepid pawn]

I still don't know bro is it because it's a max stat?

[warm lagoon]

Why is a shotgun suggested for build stacks? Does each pellet count as a hit?

[willow sigil]

It does! So 8 stacks a shot

[warm lagoon]

Okay, thanks lol
So what talent do I put on the ACS? I cant find anything on that really

[lament reef]

fast hands is nice

[warm lagoon]

Awesome, thank you

[burnt bone]

Send a picture of what you see when you try to transfer something

[tepid pawn]

I'm no trying to transfer I'm trying to tinker aka upgrade i

[burnt bone]

Send a picture that shows the issue you are having

[subtle bluff]

May I ask what you reading?

[tepid pawn]

you don't have any elements to transfer into this item division 2

[burnt bone]

Send a picture

[tepid pawn]

Wait not mine

[burnt bone]

?

[tepid pawn]

I'm not in game I'll send in 5m

[burnt bone]

Ok

[olive dew]

any way to improve this?

[smoky latch]

In terms of damage?

[olive dew]

yeah pretty much

I do want to get a lexington if possible it comes easter

[smoky latch]

You could run a Glass Cannon Ceska chest, otherwise very solid

[olive dew]

what about the sacrifice?

[smoky latch]

Or The Sacrifice too

[true tulip]

Which resolution do you play on steam deck? Apologize to bother you 🙈

[edgy bone]

is sac better than equalizer for dps?

[flint arch]

not really, its like very slightly better without the minor initial ramp-up time

[subtle bluff]

My question is what are you having issues with?

[warm lagoon]

Google and reddit lol

[olive dew]

nothing really just wanna see how far I can go lmao

[smoky latch]

It does a little more damage but you also take 60% increased damage. Personally I run the Equalizer in builds where I can because it's smoother to play

[edgy bone]

only equalizer I have has a yellow that is essentially useless and I can't recalibrate

[flint arch]

I use Sacrifice because I have a big ego

[edgy bone]

you've sold me

[smoky latch]

Kudos for wanting to run PGC so early on 👍

[subtle bluff]

Well there's your issue. We have guides here. If you poke around the pinned messages.

[strong cave]

1024x768. I play in game mode and play with stretch res and custom UI too

[warm lagoon]

Thank you

[edgy bone]

I'm a glass cannon enjoyer in any game I've ever touched

[true tulip]

I will send you a dm if you don’t mind, wrong channel here 🙂

[flint arch]

try running this too, it performs worse and is less consistent than standard striker with overdogs, but it will be fun if you can handle the increased risk

(I forgot to change the mag on the Lexington to the extended mag)

[edgy bone]

I live by "the best defense is a good offense"

[subtle bluff]

These GEs need to go away so I can make updated videos.

[flint arch]

overdrive

[true tulip]

Could you send me a screenshot of your Ui? I send you a private message. 🙂

[edgy bone]

this is hilarious

[olive dew]

bro im jelly of the lex i want it so bad

[subtle bluff]

You don't need lex..

[edgy bone]

I just want a lex because everyone has a lex and I feel left out :/

[olive dew]

^

[solar sable]

Lexi is just 4% better than a Police M4

[subtle bluff]

F them. I never use lex as my primary.

[flint arch]

@solar sable can tell you all about the fun PVGC Striker entails

[olive dew]

What do you like to use

#lfg-pc

[subtle bluff]

We're in #td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

me? 👀

[flint arch]

yes you

[subtle bluff]

Shown in the last clip

[solar sable]

but sir, I use NBB FB

[flint arch]

you lie

[olive dew]

what do you put on the lmg, and mods

[subtle bluff]

CHC so I can get more CHD

[fleet gulch]

Just wondering, is damage to armor and damage to target out of cover the best stats to look for in weapons?

[edgy bone]

damage to target out of cover

in my experience asking questions here dttooc is the answer like 99% of the time

[smoky latch]

Yup DTOC

[flint arch]

85.714% of the time because LMGs already have dttoc so they want CHC (or DTA? okay no DTA got it)

[waxen crown]

Anyone with a good build around the Alejandro? Just got my first one lst night, trying to get back into the game after a few years away from it.

[smoky latch]

I guess I'll be upgrading my gear to Expertise 30 soon

[flint arch]

@solar sable what build should I get to expertise 30 first sir

PVGC Striker or literally anything else

[solar sable]

oh you're serious

I thought you were joking lol
The one that you play most IMO

[smoky latch]

Your 3x FB, NBB, 2x IA, KARD Custom build

[flint arch]

I hate you

[smoky latch]

:}

[flint arch]

I'll probably wait a bit to see what prototype... uh... attribute... talent... things... are BiS

[smoky latch]

Upgrading your gear to 30 for an entire build will take you long enough, by then everything will be known and mathed out already

[flint arch]

need Chow and iKia to do the math for me 🥺

[flint arch]

true

[olive dew]

I think some of the new gear is sick tbh but the halo looking rifle yeah i dunno

[subtle bluff]

[tulip charm]

I need to grind now 💀

[smoky latch]

🤚 here, me too 😄

[fleet gulch]

Understood. Is that true also for rifles and SMGs where they have crit as unchangeable stat?

[lament reef]

a good time to have a proficiency event coming up

[junior lagoon]

I am at 18 , by the time i reach 30 and ontop upgrade stuff to 30, division 3 will be here and we will move to that game

[tepid pawn]

Items attributes need to be gun extracted

[smoky latch]

New players should not make the mistake to rush things. That usually results in severe burn-out

But I get your point :>

[tulip charm]

pretty sure he's talking about expertise

[onyx sage]

yes

[burnt bone]

Send a picture

[tulip charm]

dien are you gonna carry next season?

😳

[onyx sage]

in requiem rn lil bro

[tulip charm]

damn

[burnt bone]

Wait have you used your library before

[smoky latch]

Did you ever extract any attributes etc. from any item?

[burnt bone]

Dude please for the love of everything read this - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[olive dew]

I don't get the backburner. why does it hurt me sometimes then sometimes not?

[solar sable]

I see I have to do some writing on that part...

[olive dew]

Like i get the main part of it but it doesn't say why it doesn't do it

[burnt bone]

Go to your inventory and press m

Main inventory screen

[lament reef]

you gain bleed immunity the more you take damage from it

[subtle bluff]

@solar sable is the new carrier.

[solar sable]

so much pressure

[flint arch]

you can also spam reload 3 times with backfire to immediately become temporarily immune to the bleed

[tulip charm]

lightwork

[burnt bone]

Not this screen. Main inventory screen

And press m

[flint arch]

carry me through legendary roosevelt island sir

I will tank the enemies sir

[solar sable]

I can't carry myself, I'm not average yet 😦

[tepid pawn]

Yes then it opens tinkering station and shows library tinkering expertise

[burnt bone]

Go to the library

[tepid pawn]

Then

[burnt bone]

What stat are you trying to change

[tepid pawn]

Trying increase critical damage

[burnt bone]

On what

[tepid pawn]

Bag

[burnt bone]

Click on backpack in the library

[tepid pawn]

I did

[burnt bone]

What do you see

[tepid pawn]

I went to attributes critical hit damage but don't see my bag in critical hit damage

[flint arch]

but sir you're better than me i keep dying while using pvgc striker

[burnt bone]

Click on crit damage and show me what you see

[tepid pawn]

First two image are in tinkering and the last one is what I'm trying to edit

I want more crit hit damage on tht bag

[burnt bone]

Please read the words at the top of the screen

[burnt bone]

No I can see them. I’m asking if have read them

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk after, please reread the library section

[tepid pawn]

Bro it's not even showing up I just wanna increase my crit damage if u know the answer pls tell

[burnt bone]

Type out the words you see at the top of the screen in the first picture

[tepid pawn]

Select items to extract internal from

[tulip charm]

You need to extract crit dmg roll to library

Then you recalibrate to whatever piece

[burnt bone]

So select an item

[tepid pawn]

But how can I extract when the bag isn't even showing up in extract option

[burnt bone]

Why aren’t you reading the document I keep linking. It answers all of your questions

[onyx sage]

1. you extract the stat from any other item
2. you put the stat on the item YOU WANT

[tulip charm]

I see you being able to extract the first bag in the pick

what does it say when you press x

[tepid pawn]

But not the bag which I want which is this

[onyx sage]

so that is your TARGET item

you need to extract it from a SOURCE item first

[tepid pawn]

Ok I see it now I had to emquip from my

[burnt bone]

Is English your first language

[tulip charm]

Brother you trying to recalibrate nothing

[flint arch]

I suspect they just destroyed their current bag

[tulip charm]

oh

[burnt bone]

Yeah I think so

[willow sigil]

the game isnt going to let you extract something you have equipped is it?

[tepid pawn]

No I didn't do shit to it yet

What am I supposed to do

[burnt bone]

Ok I’ll make this very simple

[tepid pawn]

Extract critical damage alot from it?

[burnt bone]

Get back to the screen in the first image

[tepid pawn]

I am

[burnt bone]

Do you care about keeping the top bag

[tepid pawn]

Yes

[burnt bone]

The wyvern bag?

[tepid pawn]

I care about keeping this I just wanna increase the amount of critical damage of it from 8.6 to 15

[burnt bone]

Thisisnotthepictureirepliedtopleasereadmywordsbeforeanswering

[burnt bone]

Click on the top bag

[solar sable]

1. Get a source item to extract stuff from.
2. Extract the desired stat to your Library.
3. Go to your target item and press M on it.
4. Recalibrate the desired slot to the attribute you already Extracted.
5. Only 1 slot can be recalibrated per item.
6. Extractions have infinite uses, they don't wear out.

[burnt bone]

I’m afraid these steps are too broad

[burnt bone]

Hold x

[tepid pawn]

Will I lose material?

[flint arch]

It will destroy the item

[burnt bone]

The bag will be destroyed

[smoky latch]

🍿

[tepid pawn]

Ok then I'ma use some other item to get a 15% critical

[solar sable]

brother that bag has no use, just extract from it

[burnt bone]

Do you have a bag with max crit damage?

[flint arch]

you extract attributes from items that are useless as a whole but has an attribute you want

[onyx sage]

he doesn't, the list above sorts from high to low and his highest is 10.9%

[tepid pawn]

No but a diff armor with 15%

[onyx sage]

bro has to go farm more

[burnt bone]

Could be favorited

[burnt bone]

That’s not how it works

[flint arch]

there is no 15% CHD attribute in this game

[tepid pawn]

Oh wo only bags

[onyx sage]

that 15% is only weapon damage, not crit damage

[burnt bone]

Tell me when you’ve clicked on that wyvern bag in that menu again

[tepid pawn]

Wait I'ma extract hit chance from this is this ok

[tulip charm]

use anything

[tepid pawn]

Sorry this

[burnt bone]

Yes that’s fine. Click on the bag and hold X

[tepid pawn]

Ok I did

[burnt bone]

Do you want to put critical hit chance on your striker backpack

[tepid pawn]

Yes

[burnt bone]

Leave the library. Find the striker bag in your inventory

[tepid pawn]

I did

[burnt bone]

Click on the bag and press m

[tepid pawn]

I did

[burnt bone]

Click on the slot that is currently critical hit damage

[tepid pawn]

Oh so now press recalibrate and select critical health chance

[burnt bone]

Yes

[tepid pawn]

Tysm brotha u da goat sorry I'm dumb

[burnt bone]

🎉🎉

Did it work

[tepid pawn]

Yes sir

[burnt bone]

Sweet

You can now put critical hit chance on any of your other backpacks

[tepid pawn]

Tysm W Donky Kong Quonck

Stupid me

[burnt bone]

But not your other armor pieces. You will need to extract those attributes individually

[tepid pawn]

But is there a way to upgrade them like this one is 5.9 can I get that .1% and make it max

[burnt bone]

Extract it from a backpack

And recalibrate it again

[smoky latch]

This is the build advice channel, maybe put things like that into #ask-td2-community

[tepid pawn]

So u can't increase it ?

[burnt bone]

😔

[willow sigil]

thanks, i didnt see that channel and didnt have perms for gen chat

[smoky latch]

Strangely we don't have image perms for general chat...

[willow sigil]

no worries, i know why they did that

[burnt bone]

You can increase it if you extract a 6% chc attribute from a different backpack, increasing the value in your library. You can then recalibrate chc on the backpack you’re using, replacing 5.9% with 6%

Does that make sense

[tepid pawn]

So u can only recalibrate to the value u have extracted

So if I have extracted 6 I can only recalibrate to 6 but if I have only extracted 5 I cant recalibrate to 6

[burnt bone]

Correct. That is why you couldn’t recalibrate your backpack until you had extracted at least one attribute.

[burnt bone]

Yes

Extracting an attribute stores it in your library. You can only use the value you have stored.

[tepid pawn]

Bro u explain well W though I'ma extract this now do u think its a good armory or just trash I'ma use striker kneepad anyways