td2-build-advice

[cerulean smelt]

yes, was great

[strong cave]

Don't worry I have the logs

[uneven nest]

I just want to be helpful. At the end of the day people want to do what they want. He said a striker tank and I think heart breaker would be better as it’s a good mix. I could be wrong though

[strong cave]

Heartbreaker is a worse striker since you'd be recommending something with a finicky mechanic: Linked Laser Pointer.

Heartbreaker works off of Pulse, which can be done via skill or shooting the heads of enemies. Big problem: not everything has a head, and being Disrupted and not being able to use skills sucks. So you have no choice but to go LLP (Linked Laser). Problem with that attachment tho:

Doesn't always like to pulse ...

[cerulean smelt]

you don't know how hard it was to restain myself spamming a link to 3 tanks trying to run legendary in tank builds. one being a striker tank build 😹

[strong cave]

In this case you would be better off going striker

[cerulean smelt]

don't forget the limitation of needing a long barrel to attach it too

[strong cave]

Yeah, that too. Linked Laser doesn't go on every weapon

And you also have to spec directly into Technician which losing the laser spot eats 5% Crit Hit Chance which lowers damage yada yada

Kids, just use striker. Please. Without ninjabike preferably

[flint arch]

Where is it tho

[strong cave]

Idk, was a joke 😭 but to be fair if you asked him what build he would recommend to any new player his ass would 100% say striker

[uneven nest]

If only I didn’t have to go to work today 🙁 I just want to build…

[flint arch]

Honestly I'm tempted to make a short document myself so I could link to it when someone says they want some armor on their build

[strong cave]

I work daily no days off. Finally got one today. And turned a new year old today

[uneven nest]

HBD!!

[strong cave]

For me at most I recommend a max of 2 blues, 3 if you have 30 expertise

Thanks peeps 🙏 truck is now 1 year old 👶

[uneven nest]

Currently doing a no days off arc. Hating it…

[strong cave]

Idek how I managed to get my premium pass to 50

[uneven nest]

Wait… not really… i don’t work weekends

[strong cave]

Took me like... 2 weeks to do

[uneven nest]

Alright. I’m off.. I leave soon anyway! Hf

[cerulean smelt]

maybe you been grinding so hard you never noticed it?

[strong cave]

I mean, to be fair, I spent a lot of time working and playing on a hotspot on my steam deck whenever possible. I've totaled maybe 30 full hours in the past 2 weeks alone? The XP events definitely helped and I'm not afraid to admit I bought the new mask bundle because I wanted the mask, the stash space, the premium credits for the ruined hunter bundle, and the rewards skip. Just in case I didn't have time this month to complete the pass

[flint arch]

How's the warranty

[strong cave]

Expired 💀

[hollow niche]

Wanna stir a question, how do you guys feel about the sheriff exotic? It seems like an interesting weapon to build around but I’d like to see what others think

[cerulean smelt]

i hated it at first becaue it only worked while out of cover, but now that in cover or out it's a small reticle i kind of dig it. just not sure what kind of build i want to use it in honestly

[little haven]

im more of a LMG guy so the sheriff doesnt hit that spot for me really

sure its good with damage and stuff but you will often see yourself either getting overwhelmed by hordes or couldnt hit enough pellets at range to do much damage compared to other builds

sure with a one on one and if you can shoot enemies out of cover then its really good damage wise

[hollow niche]

It’s an interesting weapon for sure, I may build for it sometime soon, I’ve had my fun with my tempest big shield build for now

I haven’t built for a primarily shotgun setup in a long time, if at all, so it’ll be a lot of messing around for me probably but it does seem more interesting in comparison to what I’ve run in the past

[inner sand]

for pure AR build, using this gear instead of overdogs, im losing too much damage?

[hearty owl]

You’re losing CHC/CHD somewhere

Just add the minor attributes and see

[strong cave]

With him not taking any Ceska he will definitely be down 8% crit chance which forces him to use 3 mods instead of 2

[subtle bluff]

For the last gear for Striker it'll go: Overdogs > Coyote > Ceska = UA > Salvo

The jump from Overdogs down is pretty big.

[limpid pelican]

ive been seeing a bunch of diff builds for incursions these days. whatre the set in stone best in slots per room?

[inner sand]

my reasoning would be: 2 unit alloys parts gives 20% AR damage, while overdogs is 30% damage but not always. it is worst but how much? i feel its not that much worst but im not sure, thats why im asking (i put salvo there but it can be a normal unit alloy part)

[subtle bluff]

4x Striker, BF, Salvo and either Overdogs or Bloody Knuckles

[subtle bluff]

brb doing the math to show since I knew this was gonna asked

[limpid pelican]

cheers

[subtle bluff]

acs12 of course

[limpid pelican]

also, in the off chance the turrets arent being oxied in room 1, what'd be bis for 1 magging barrels?

my pc account is fairly low expertise only 12

[subtle bluff]

Anything.. really. You could even DCH. Overdogs proc on it

[limpid pelican]

yeah i used to use all of that on xbox, kinda limited for pc atm

[patent fossil]

hmm, just field testing Harrier's Pride and it looks like it drops all stacks when combat ends (at least judging by the buff icons), didn't realise that, makes it much worse outside of very long battles

[hearty owl]

The bag had so much potential and they made it terrible

[subtle bluff]

It has a niche spot but I haven't sat down to test it due to GE's on..

[cerulean smelt]

it's what i noticed about it myself

[hearty owl]

It would still be balanced if they made it TWD and that’s what upsets me

but nope more AWD crap

When’s the last time they implemented something that was TWD? Bloody Knuckles?

That had to be an accident

[hearty orbit]

whats twd awd?

[hearty owl]

Mr Chow do your thing

[patent fossil]

awd (all weapon damaage) is additive with all other regular weapon damage you get from red cores, brandset bonuses, spec bonuses etc. twd (total weapon damage) is only additive with a few bonuses from talents

[subtle bluff]

dunno if that confirm even yet. I need to listen to iKia quickly or look for the sheet for it

[hearty owl]

or Kettle :3

I’m pretty certain it’s AWD with the 2 mins I spent testing it

[patent fossil]

well it theoretically stacks up to 80 so twd would probably be a tad OP, given we normally only get like 25% from vigi or perf obliterate or similar

Of course it's a bit lower in practice. But for solo mission runs it's just a bad bag since you barely get any stacks before you've cleared the room and then you lose them all again

[subtle bluff]

Ya 80 would be nuts

[hearty owl]

Stacks are .5% so 40%

[patent fossil]

oh true, my bad

[hearty owl]

And since stacking it requires you to have an automatic weapon it would be useless on one shot/HH builds

so IMO it would be balanced and could finally replace Vigi

[hearty orbit]

the only particularly crappy thing about it to me, is that it seems the buffs dont persist out of combat,

dont know why they didnt make it work like memento

[patent fossil]

yeah that's what suprised me since it doesn't state that in the talent description and puts a huge dent in its usefullness

[subtle bluff]

Ok to note Overdogs is AMP dmg which in new number multiple at the end and AR WD just adds to WD we already have.

Hmm.. Maybe I was cook when I first doing the math..

Maybe I'm cooked atm..

OH the first time was with Killer.. That would change this..

[hearty owl]

20% AR damage on a full red build with Expertise on your weapon is not doing much for you

[inner sand]

thank you 🙏

[rose jewel]

Any advice for lmg dd build without stacking?

[hearty owl]

what’s dd

[subtle bluff]

That's what I would think I put 0 on exp in this but the UA

[subtle bluff]

the 1/2 on Overdogs is 1/2 uptime. In actually it's more than half up time.

brb let me add a killer m4 in there

[hearty owl]

I don’t understand how people calculate uptime on Overdogs. It’s entirely dependent on what you’re shooting and in a lot of content you should be prioritizing specific things over the other

[subtle bluff]

I just put in 15% amp

to keep it simple

[hearty owl]

I think it was the other day when someone here tried telling me that PGC Vigi Striker with 100% Vigi uptime is equal to PGC Overdogs Striker with 60% Overdogs uptime

[buoyant perch]

I did

[hearty owl]

Yeah care to explain how you arrive at 60% uptime

[buoyant perch]

Spreadsheet

[hearty owl]

🥀

[subtle bluff]

Killer powerful..

[hearty owl]

So what does 60% Overdogs uptime mean

[buoyant perch]

18% amp

[patent fossil]

it means 60% of your targeted enemies qualify for the overdogs bonus

[subtle bluff]

I put on Lex w/Killer on tanker... GOD I MISS GOOD ACCUARY..... I god damn hate Backfire weapon handling.. It's soo asss.. Sorry at to vent.

[hearty owl]

The amp is only applied to the lowest tier no? How are we getting a fraction of the amp

Or rather why are you applying a fraction of it to the DPS calculation

It either gives the 30% or it doesn’t?

[flint arch]

if overdogs is active 60% of the time, that means on average you get 18% amp over the course of an encounter

they're not literally saying that you have 18% amp all the time

[hearty owl]

Ok thank you. So it assumes you aren’t prioritizing any target

What if I go into Legendary DUA and take out the Drone Controllers and Grenadiers first before even looking at the rushers or mini tanks

[willow sigil]

What are we doing to farm tactical assessments?

[hearty owl]

if I’m actively going against the tier system I can have 0% Overdogs uptime for the entire encounter

[strong cave]

Playing target prio gets old fast when you have rc driver driving the death wagon to your heels and you have kamikaze Kody running to come give you Monday morning cuddles

[buoyant perch]

over the course of an entire encounter

[strong cave]

At some point he will have overdogs active 100% for an encounter

[hearty owl]

Right against the things I’m prioritizing last

Yeah that mini tank that was EMP’d the entire encounter will take a good beating for sure

[strong cave]

Would suck if you ran down a street full of assaulters and had 30% ODogs amp on all of them

[hearty owl]

Good point

[subtle bluff]

That would be rather hard to do.

[hearty owl]

No that statement was wrong Chow. Most likely the last 2 things I have to kill will receive the 30% amp so it’s more than 0

[subtle bluff]

You've seen the Lil infograph taro made for the teirs right?

[hearty owl]

It’s pretty clear in the item description

[subtle bluff]

What am I saying of course you know. My bad.

I need to sleep. Lol

[limpid pelican]

are you sure overdogs proc on the barrels and are better than contractors? 115k non crit 278k w overdogs, 129k non crit 292k crit with no stacks contractors

[strong cave]

He had to be sure you didn't have dih for brains

[strong cave]

No icon = no proc

[limpid pelican]

so they don't work on barrels?

[strong cave]

What chow was likely saying was ODogs proc on nearly everything for incursion

No icon = no proc

[subtle bluff]

I was rather sure. We did a oxi test with it and Overdogs more than just BTSU.

[strong cave]

The barrels don't belong to any enemy tier so no proc

[subtle bluff]

It's a skill prox I thought. Idk haven't really tested it.

Something to test in the future.

[limpid pelican]

yeah all good im just theory crafting what my best option would be

[hearty owl]

What barrels are we even talking about

[strong cave]

@buoyant perch Dogs don't proc on incursion barrels do they? The ones you shoot to open the gates and disable the turrets

[subtle bluff]

Courtyard

[strong cave]

I was always under the assumption no icon = no proc

[buoyant perch]

didn't test that one specifically but the gas tank in Roosevelt and boxes in leggo Tidal with no icon did not work

[subtle bluff]

Uh.. Ya something to test again...

[buoyant perch]

this might help you

[strong cave]

I would assume those barrels are coded the same as any other. Pretty sure in the campaign and some sort of master we saw barrels with "armor bars" type shit

Was there ever a master mission for zoo?

[strong cave]

Swear I saw "armored barrels" there too

[subtle bluff]

I didn't test personally but this from someone that did.

Yeah I'll have to look into it.

[limpid pelican]

😂 idk if you were meaning to, but me AR'ing them and u posting an oxy chart was hilarious. ive always oxied them and prob shouldnt bother, but in strugglish groups it sure helps to be able to help kill adds so thats why im bothering with this

[strong cave]

Look into it for sure. I haven't done incursion since before dogs got introduced

Then again we have new Blackdogs kneepads so who TF knows what's working and what's not now

[subtle bluff]

Tanker with, Salvo and Overdogs is dumb..

[strong cave]

💯

[subtle bluff]

I have been using lex with killer for the last few runs.

[buoyant perch]

like if a group can't take out the ads by themselves, it's a badddddd sign

[limpid pelican]

LMAO frfr

[strong cave]

an agent has left your group

an agent has left your group

.......... An agent has left your group

[subtle bluff]

I'm a troll in RMM incursion... Like if they ran into the courtyard without me.. I solo one side and watch them just die to turret.

[strong cave]

😮

[buoyant perch]

✝️

[flint arch]

You have been promoted to group leader.
You are no longer in a group.

[subtle bluff]

I've only been kicked once.

[limpid pelican]

i used to matchmake so many incursions when i didnt have a team on, it's an adventure every single time

[subtle bluff]

It's Soooo bad now.

[limpid pelican]

it's terrible

[strong cave]

Imagine Normal raids matchmaking

[limpid pelican]

almost cant even matchmake realistically atm. just coming back to the game after a year or so

[hearty owl]

This is actually fun to do

Real endgame

[strong cave]

You're thinking of Discovery

Unless you mean GC Rock

I classify GC as an LFG server imo tho

[subtle bluff]

I've never done a discovery... Maybe then I'd actually learn how IH works...

[hearty owl]

😂 I was thinking of Discovery but now that you mention GC

[strong cave]

To be fair looking for a group in GC is basically like random matchmaking 😂

[subtle bluff]

It was a community server now he merged it back to what it was.

[hearty owl]

Yeah and then you find yourself in a Fordniky IH

[subtle bluff]

No that's TheDivision now... There soo many players in there.

[strong cave]

Still doesn't beat my 1h 30m Dark Hours

[flint arch]

boy

that run singlehandedly killed off my desire to get a ravenous

[subtle bluff]

God... Damnit.. I remember when I brought a friend into DH and they wanted to do all the different roles and didn't know how to do them.... Hour raid..

[strong cave]

Me who got it first damn try:

[flint arch]

Honestly I'm just scared to run IH again after that

[hearty owl]

Fordniky the goat

[flint arch]

I tried watching a video guide but it was just... too much

[strong cave]

I don't like Iron Horse period so don't feel bad

[flint arch]

DH was fun, I liked DH

[strong cave]

If I'm playing IH I'm only doing DPS. That's it. Don't ask me to do anything else

[flint arch]

IH just drained me completely

[strong cave]

Dark hours I know all the roles lol

[flint arch]

Made me even want to quit the game for a moment

[hearty owl]

DH is just a DPS contest there aren’t many mechanics

[subtle bluff]

Ditto... I shoot things.

[strong cave]

Yeah after I did iron horse, I avoided it for a looooooong time went back for me reg and never touched it since

[flint arch]

Thankfully I got my Regulus from Christmas so I really don't have a reason to touch the raid other than the exotic rifle

[strong cave]

💯 for me it's because there's quite literally too many moving parts and puzzles. It's a lot to remember

[subtle bluff]

They told me ok the last part I can dump rounds into the rocket and turret.
That was fun trying to get the bar to love.

[meager void]

hello guys, i have a question.. In div2, how can i get all stats to max (godroll) on a gearset piece or guns? i know u can Tinker to modify one stat but u can only do this once, correct? is there an specific activity/raid/difficulty that drops items with godrolls fully maxed stats? or is it just an endless grind for years to get lucky on those rolls?

[strong cave]

Plus the builds required for iron horse to have a somewhat speedy run are too niche for my lazy ass to farm or craft

[strong cave]

You optimize to full after finding max attributes to add to your Library

You've figured out the tinker menu, now give the library menu a revisit. Find some max attributes and fill em all up

[flint arch]

Gearsets are pretty easy to max out anyway

[subtle bluff]

It's RNG. The higher the difficulty the higher the chance of a higher roll.

[meager void]

but you can tinker this only once with one attribute per gear piece, or multiple times?

[strong cave]

If you cut your arms open and dance naked around a camp fire it will give you godroll everything

Don't actually do that 🙏 just follow what chow said

[strong cave]

Tinkering is once only, optimization is once only too. If you optimize a piece you want to tinker, you can't tinker it anymore and so on

So let's say you had a Grupo piece drop with Weapon Damage, crit chance and armor regen... And you wanted crit damage and crit chance but you Optimized your crit chance that exists on the holster.... You can't remove armor Regen anymore

[meager void]

been doing Countdown, Summit on heroic/legendary for example, ive never found an item with all attributes maxed out. Only once in a while a gearpiece drops with one maxed attribute full weapon damage for example, but then the other stats or talents suck, then how to fix this?

[strong cave]

Keep going until you find a usable piece that you can roll either an Attribute or Talent onto

Good example is double crit Ceska chest. Most make the mistake of trying to find Ceska with double crit on it to roll for obliterate when starting the farm for that piece. What you can do instead is look for Ceska with obliterate and 1 crit roll. You can tinker the piece and slot on a second crit roll and optimize it all to full. Later on you can find a double crit piece to roll either the talent or the weapon core (very very very niche builds rolls the core)

[willow sigil]

wait why is 1 more pref than the other? does it come down to resource avail?

[burnt bone]

If you have a piece with double crit you can swap the talent to whatever you want whenever you want

It’s just about flexibility

[willow sigil]

right, so why would that be a mistake over looking for one with 1 crit and the talent that you want?

[strong cave]

Expertise reasons. If a piece is only able to be used on maybe 2 builds, dumping further resources into it makes it pointless

Another solid example of that is Police M4. Let's say on a Crit build you want killer. Then on another you want Sadist. Your M4 is expertise 30 with everything maxed out. You can use your favorite pieces, gain expertise benefits, and still have swappable gear

[willow sigil]

so you are saying rolling a talent is more costly than rolling and attribute and then optimizing it?

[strong cave]

More like swapping talents is easier to do as it makes that piece have different slot values

Ceska chest obliterate is a pretty valuable piece so being able to swap to glass cannon while still having your chest expertise at say 15 on THAT specific chest is great

[willow sigil]

right, so if swapping talents is easier, then why would it be a mistake to find a ceska with double crit on it to roll for obliterate?

[strong cave]

So say you wanted to take that same expertise 15 piece and use it on another build with a different talent. This saves you inventory space and expertise resources

[jolly sapphire]

love your username

[strong cave]

I didn't say it was? I said it's a mistake to farm for double crit when most beginners start farming for that specific piece

[jolly sapphire]

are you new to the game btw?

[strong cave]

It was an example to add into a conversation that took place earlier

[willow sigil]

yes, very new

[jolly sapphire]

do you have a striker red build?

[strong cave]

You'll learn as you go. Might be beneficial to ask others here

[willow sigil]

i do, yes.

[jolly sapphire]

and what are you looking to get?

[willow sigil]

materials to optimize

[jolly sapphire]

countdown coins

[strong cave]

Control points, optimization caches, resource caches, countdown, etc

Materials caches scattered around the map helps too

[jolly sapphire]

yeah but your plateau is your opt LEVEL

whats your opt level

[strong cave]

^ basically how max is the attribute you're adding onto the gear from your library is

[willow sigil]

right, and thats why i was asking. i didnt see "beginners start farming for that specific piece" in your comment, just "Most make the mistake of trying to find Ceska with double crit on it to roll for obliterate when starting the farm for that piece", so i was just curious on that opinion.

[inner sand]

i have this exactly these 2 chest pieces, witch one is better for striker build? i cant change the weapon handling on the equalizer... in the ceska i can change its talent.

[strong cave]

when starting to farm for that piece

[jolly sapphire]

thanks I gen cant explain anything atp lol

big d alejandro

[strong cave]

Ceska chest since equalizer is misrolled

[inner sand]

thank you

[pearl trout]

Всем привет 👋 ребята 👦

[jolly sapphire]

[strong cave]

I personally would just stick with Ceska chest but equalizer is okay too

Yo no hablo foreignese

[inner sand]

worth run glass canon on it?

[strong cave]

Ceska glass would be fine

Unit Alloys glass, idk

[jolly sapphire]

depends on the playstyle no?

[willow sigil]

so for that example, why couldnt they change the weapon handling?

[flint arch]

Run PGC and become a god (no clickbait)

[willow sigil]

would it be because they had already rolled crit chance?

[inner sand]

bc i used the change thing for the critical chance 😭

[willow sigil]

i see. thanks

[jolly sapphire]

pretty sure u cant roll the same thing twice if thats what you mean..

[willow sigil]

meant they rolled whatever att that was into crit chance before it was crit chance

[meager void]

And guys what in your opinion are the META guns for DPS/Solo/Raids/Countdown?? myself i love LMG and AR, so what would be best to pair Big Alejandro and St Elmo's with? non-exotic like GR9 LMG or Lexington AR? What would be the best pair?

[jolly sapphire]

gen confuzzled rn

[jolly sapphire]

big d alejandro and acs

[strong cave]

Well, mathematically you're losing 8% Crit chance for more burst DPS which also lowers sustained DPS/Mag damage. So by taking glass on unit, you lower overall mag/sustained damage for 25% amp from glass. Meanwhile perf Oblit is 24% Total Weapon Damage, which I'm pretty sure has more damage than 25% glass amp. Lastly, going Ceska glass increases overall sustained/mag damage, so it would be easily acceptable. Not taking Unit does lower burst DPS but not by a big amount

[willow sigil]

sorry, they said they couldnt roll handling, i was wondering why, that's all.

[jolly sapphire]

wait, people use weapon handling? other then pistol builds..?

[strong cave]

They specifically said they cant change the handling, which makes me think they already tinkered with the piece. Likely rolled crit or weapon damage and got tired of farming for a piece that wouldn't drop

[stark marsh]

isn't handling the second offroll for hotshot sniper builds

[strong cave]

I had the same problem when unit was first introduced

[jolly sapphire]

they prolly did

[strong cave]

It's div 2 so it's highly likely. Happened to me

[jolly sapphire]

no its just headshot dmg for me anyway

[stark marsh]

ah of course how could i forget the fabled double headshot dmg piece

[strong cave]

Just headshot damage because the handling is built directly into the 2 or 3 piece bonus. Pretty sure 2 piece

[strong cave]

Local, is it 2 or 3 piece hotshot you get the handling?

[jolly sapphire]

i need to switch that backpack its unfinished build

[hexed steppe]

Secondary rolls are handling on headhunter builds

[jolly sapphire]

2 pc

[hexed steppe]

2

3 is the hsd

[strong cave]

At least it's not 67

I'm going for a drive 😪

[jolly sapphire]

[stark marsh]

s'what i say

[hexed steppe]

You 6-7 hotshot pieces and ill be impressed

[stark marsh]

i just closed my game so i can't screenshot my thing and i'm too lazy to open it back up

[jolly sapphire]

what build is there to make atp, i have a PVP build, Big D alejandro for general pve and also a striker elmo build, a medic build.

[strong cave]

Been toying around with red HH eclipse. It's fun shooting my goop onto one of them and headhunting em to death. Just for it to spread and spread and spread

[jolly sapphire]

and Icba to make a skill build because I dont even like skill build other then medic

[strong cave]

I'm spreading STDs - SHD Tech Disease

[hexed steppe]

Perpetuation whitedeath incoming

[strong cave]

Bro 🙏 I might actually

Try it. It's all Weapon Damage/HSD with Chainkiller/Airaldi bag Vigi

[hexed steppe]

The bag amp is better than vigilance so it opens up overdogs use

[strong cave]

That might actually help

[stark marsh]

is headhunter even feasible on countdown (challenge+)? i imagine you gotta have a hefty HSD% to proc and sustain it

[strong cave]

Give it a try. It's my most braindead idea yet

[strong cave]

Well, I mainly just steal kills right before a newbie gets their kill .... I'm a real piece of shit I know

After that the entire battlefield is mine to shoot bc I have full stacks

[stark marsh]

yeah that's one way to do it

[jolly sapphire]

your the reason I couldnt get shit when I was SHD lvl 40 XD

[strong cave]

It's how I personally do it. It's a bit awful but yeah you can definitely headhunt countdown. It's funny to do so honestly

[strong cave]

😂 prolly

[willow sigil]

when sorting through junk, is it correct to only extract max rolls and donate the rest to prof?

[jolly sapphire]

man I was STRUGGLING to get anything in countdown because every body was running tank builds and literally COVERING every enemy

[stark marsh]

i tried a run w/ it earlier, but more often than not the squads are all striker builds so once the shield disappears the targets evaporate, assuming you even get a clean angle with everyone standing in the way

[jolly sapphire]

lowk should I make a regulus build

[strong cave]

Prio max rolls > donate for proficiency > if need materials, fully junk it > if need money, sell it

[meager void]

What meta gun would be best to pair with Big Alejandro, the GR9 or Gear Shift LMG, or another? St Elmo's Engine with Lexington AR, Police M4 or another?

[jolly sapphire]

ACS shotty, honestly big alejandro doesnt need a pair imo

I build stacks with it

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build.

[willow sigil]

what is the balance between mats and credits? im not max on mats, nor do i have million of credits, should i prio one over the other?

[stark marsh]

i don't think you should stress too much about materials over credits. once you get into a rhythm of farming for something you're offloading an entire inventory worth of gear on loop, so you can choose when to sell and when to donate/extract/dismantle

you'll get a sense of what you want to prioritize as you start tinkering or whatever and adjust accordingly. at least that's how i've been doing it.

[willow sigil]

I see, and then what is the trinket section used for?

[stark marsh]

those are the mats you donate for projects or to random npcs if i'm not mistaken

[willow sigil]

is that all available through the projects tab? or is it something that i just have to run across a random npc that happens to ask for it?

[stark marsh]

well when I say random NPCs, i mean quite literally the patrolling friendlies you see in the overworld. if you walk up to them at a resource node or while they're walking around, one of them might have a prompt to give them something, like, a (single, one) soda.

[willow sigil]

oh i see yes. ive seen them asking for water screws cans. didnt know that was where trinkets went also

[jolly sapphire]

mats obviously

[jolly sapphire]

do your week projects trust

@strong cave U alive?

[olive dew]

I really enjoy this bighorn build, but I feel like when I want to solo heroic points or any harder solo missions I don't survive much and get almost wiped quick, what could I change?

I saw a heartbreaker build that looked cool but don't know whats good

[jolly sapphire]

show the stats

[olive dew]

Not sure whats up with the headshot dmg 😭

[jolly sapphire]

it might be because your gear is underpowered

and why 5 pc striker? all you need is 4 pc

[olive dew]

Cause I don't know what to change for the chestplate tbh

[jolly sapphire]

and then you can use the 1 to get maybe a chest piece with obliterate

[olive dew]

The build I followed recommended hunter killer but thats alot of work rn

I'd be willing to grind a bit for a chest piece but I don't know what suits

[jolly sapphire]

ceska

and roll for CHC and chd

obliterate honestly its my go to

[olive dew]

whats chc?

[jolly sapphire]

crit hit chance

[olive dew]

ahhh ty ty

[jolly sapphire]

. Crit Hit Chance

Crit Hit Damage

[olive dew]

also, when you say rolling is it just getting lucky with the rolls?

[jolly sapphire]

yeah

this games system is basically RNG when your grinding for pieces

[olive dew]

cause you can only roll exotics right

[strong cave]

Sell as much as you need for money, deconstruct as much as you need for materials. It's entirely up to you to how you balance it

The only thing veteran players like me and the others can tell you is how to farm for that stuff efficiently

[strong cave]

I need jumper cables to be honest with you. But for the most part I am alive

[olive dew]

@jolly sapphire can i swap a talent over and change a attribute on a single item?

[jolly sapphire]

yes thats called tinkering

but you can do it only once

[olive dew]

Yeah I thought that

[jolly sapphire]

so its either the armor reg or the talent

[deft fox]

what is the best PVE build for big horn

[olive dew]

I just got obliterate on it nice

bruh

[subtle bluff]

Where is that?

[olive dew]

I believe its the reward for finishing all the NY hunters

[subtle bluff]

For Hunter Killer?

[olive dew]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

The build?

[olive dew]

It's a named chestplate

[subtle bluff]

I know that. Plz look at what I replied to.

What build was recommended to you?

And where did you get it?

[subtle bluff]

The GE is most likely messing it.

[jolly sapphire]

how much dps?

[fair dragon]

Very much

[olive dew]

How do I cancel them? Or is it just on since its the anniversary event

[olive dew]

Could you break down this build if possible?

[subtle bluff]

I think it was like 8 or 9 mill without any stacking. I haven't looked at the sheet for it for a while.
It can stack with HS.

[subtle bluff]

Not really... It's those gears.

[jolly sapphire]

oh shit, this might be my next build

[jolly sapphire]

best part is I just got salvo

[olive dew]

Ah okay, I'm just trying to understand how builds work and their mods and tinkering.

[subtle bluff]

Salvo isn't really needed.

[jolly sapphire]

I mean yeah but what would you substitute for it?

[subtle bluff]

Sounds like you're still learning. This isn't beginner build.

BH isn't an amazing weapon overall.

[jolly sapphire]

truth be told I see it more in dz then anywhere else

[subtle bluff]

Normal UA for more Crit.

[subtle bluff]

PvP and PvE are very different

[fair dragon]

PvP = Player vs Penguin?

[jolly sapphire]

yeah Im aware that they are completely different things but Im just saying that I see it more in pvp aspect

[olive dew]

Yeah, almost 100 SHD. just trying to understand it all 😭

[subtle bluff]

Is that a penguin in a penguin?

[jolly sapphire]

lowk dont bother with dz

[fair dragon]

Yes

[jolly sapphire]

mecha penguin

[subtle bluff]

Have you seen the starter guide in the build hub?

[jolly sapphire]

whats a build I could make thats a bit fun

[olive dew]

Nah I haven't, just kinda trying to read everything I come across

[subtle bluff]

Go to Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Starter Guide

[jolly sapphire]

lets try using oxi build on legendary mission

[olive dew]

are critical hits more worth than headshot?

also would you use a shield with this?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no. The issues with a all HSD build that not everything has heads.

No because of P. Glass Cannon.

Again not a beginner friendly build at all.

[olive dew]

So it's pure dps glass cannon really?

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

It can solo legendary.

Currently almost anything can solo legendary with GEs on.

[olive dew]

What playstyle would you use for this, also specialization and skills?

[subtle bluff]

If you know. You know.

Not to be rude but you don't not want this build till you learn a bit more.

This would do more DPS but be easier to play...

[neon gorge]

what 3rd trait do you want on a hotshot build mmr?

[olive dew]

Who wants a easy game though

[subtle bluff]

On weapons?

[neon gorge]

yeah on the mmr

[subtle bluff]

Always DTTooC

[neon gorge]

ok thanks

[jolly sapphire]

gets easier the more time you put into it

at like 500 hours on pc still hasnt gotten easier LOL

[olive dew]

Would it not be firewall? since you get health on kill

[jolly sapphire]

@hexed steppe why was my image deleted </3

[hazy steeple]

Image permissions are for the purpose of the channel and not just memes.

[jolly sapphire]

oki

mb

[hazy steeple]

No biggie.

[olive dew]

I'm still trying to understand why it isn't firewall? wouldn't you want to be gaining health or something like armor with gunner? unless health and armor have way different properties im not understanding

[subtle bluff]

I gave you a place to a guide already.

Armor/Health on kill, doesn't gain it. Just get some back till back to max.

[burnt bone]

health on kill is kinda badge, firewall def has its uses but HoK isnt why its ran

[olive dew]

What's the point of the two lmgs here?

And how did you get your graphics like that?

[neon gorge]

just put togerhet a hotshot build with determined headhunter far from optimized and good lord what dmg

[subtle bluff]

Build Hub.. go learn..

[hazy steeple]

Be nice, Chow.

[burnt bone]

Look for Tinkerer in “gear: named + exotic” - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[subtle bluff]

Dunno what exactly you mean maybe colorblind mode.

[hazy steeple]

@olive dew Chow has the colourblind mode (one of them) on, that changes the colours of Gearsets to blue.

[burnt bone]

Which part of the graphics

[olive dew]

Like the distance clarity is really good, no matter my settings enemies seem to blur really easily

[burnt bone]

Turn off fog blur

[olive dew]

I have it off, could be linked to the volumetric fog

[buoyant kraken]

@subtle bluff I can't open spreadsheet on mobile atm. But I think I saw you made the eclipse guide on there.

So someone suggested I get a CC build since I didn't have one. I also think I saw one of them are marked as cc. Not 100% sure. How would I play that then? Since i've never really played a spec like that. Basically what would I have to do to fill that role perfectly

[burnt bone]

Can you open this - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yTpZconNI79H0165-nwpLMIDZaS-f5Gd-WHQGAoQY2M/edit?usp=drivesdk

[buoyant kraken]

Ye I can open all the sub links. But not the big spreadsheet on mobile

[livid sorrel]

learn the spawns so you can cc as much enemies as soon as possible

[burnt bone]

Uhhh download the sheets app

[buoyant kraken]

Umm. Huh

[burnt bone]

I can’t remember if it comes downloaded or not

[buoyant kraken]

I open them via google drive. It works fine with any other link. On pc its fine aswell

[subtle bluff]

Something else I've meaning to do showing gameplay for EP support..
EP is really about just CC things as you can. The thing with EP is that team needs to know how to focus targets and not be scared to shoot

[buoyant kraken]

So this is the cc setup I think. I group as many as possible and spread statusses / hold them to help the groul wipe them fast basically?

[subtle bluff]

I would say play EP burn on hard or something to learn the feel of Chem Launher and how EP works.

[buoyant kraken]

Also something weird about pestilence. I tried it with EP to see something. I know I shouldn't have. But I ran master kelso manhunt last night with coco pesti.

I did 88m dps total while the rest in the group did the normal 500-1000m and so on. And I checked the expanded stats. Apparently I did 900m of skill damage (i think thats what its called) others in the group had 30-50m but I ran revive hive + decoy. Is that suppose to calculate it like that?

[buoyant kraken]

I'll do this. Ty. Can also try testing it in legendary summit afterwards when im comfortable.

[subtle bluff]

Pesti tick is not a Status Effect

[livid sorrel]

mission stats always weird

[buoyant kraken]

Ye I've realised it later. And doesn't benefit from status effect mods. But can you explain why it reads the damage as skill damage or whatever and not the normal after report damage? Cause I was ticking for 4m+ with modifiers

[buoyant kraken]

First time it happened to me so xD

[stone beacon]

Pvp hybrid dps + tank ninja backpack build ,,any advice ?

[subtle bluff]

Do not take EP Burn into solo leggo..

Nor even group.

[lament reef]

more like EP Bum

[subtle bluff]

Hey EP is fun.

[coral reef]

Not even in Heroic tbh. You could take foam EP though

[livid sorrel]

Everything will be covered in foam

[compact glen]

Holy shit, that's kinda busted.

[olive dew]

How did you get the damage counter in the chat

[subtle bluff]

Kind is but the dmg cap isn't that high so it runs into walls pretty quick.

In chat there's menu options. Hit Enter and look to the right of the box.

[coral reef]

if it worked like that on Heroic, it would be the absolute Meta. Striker who?

[uneven nest]

I can’t wait to get home and hunt…

[subtle bluff]

I haven't gone and tested it with Overdogs yet.....

but it's something...

[coral reef]

damn youre onto something there

but you would lose the flamethrower cuz overdogs cant have a yellow core

[subtle bluff]

Ya that's the mix issue there.

[compact glen]

@hexed steppe Finally got Force Multiplier and the rolls ain't bad. Skill tier too, ofc. I'm probably gonna recalibrate that skill damage rather than optimize, so I can use the resources to optimize skill haste.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah recal is always preferred over optimizing.

[compact glen]

You said to use the Hana-U gloves if I don't have BTSU, right?

I gotta get a better roll with haste and skill damage

So far, its all status effects

[hexed steppe]

This is also with seasonal modifiers on so ymmv.
Ep with overdogs will do work in heroic

[subtle bluff]

Yup I know was soloing first sections of DUA with EP..

[compact glen]

For mortar, do I want skill damage and skill haste on all my pieces?

[subtle bluff]

GE is just OP and soo many players are gonna cry when there all gone.

[hexed steppe]

No, was saying until you get the unicorn grupo pieces use hanna and wyvern in either knee/mask/holster. If no btsu use contractors with a yellow core for more dta

[compact glen]

ohhh

[hexed steppe]

Yes

You can also use overdogs but then you replaced the grupo pieces with 2 brazos pieces so you can be 6 skill tier. That version hits about 1mil harder than mine but with less qol

[compact glen]

I cannot make overdogs atm so

[hexed steppe]

Technically if you get overlisters you can use contractors and the overdogs buff 😎

But thats temporary till its fixed.
🤞 that gets the same treatment as determined tho

[olive cosmos]

what should i reroll for on my st elmo

[compact glen]

Weapon Damage, HD, DTOC

[olive cosmos]

so basically like every other ar?

[compact glen]

Pretty much

[olive cosmos]

ok sounds good thanks

[compact glen]

This is mine. I do have one with 3% more DTOC, but less AR damage and Health Damage

So imma just optimize the DTOC and call it a day

not gonna cry over .3% AR damage

[lone violet]

loving OD but why the cleaners be hitting hard in brooklyn

[compact glen]

They do a lot of damage, but that's cause they have weakpoints that guarantee kills.

its just balancing.

[lone violet]

also is it possible to do old man hunts in order to get the tinker mask?

[compact glen]

OH NO SHIT. Just got mantis from an anniversary cache.

[compact glen]

Not sure about that one.

[lone violet]

it shows me

[olive cosmos]

just rolled for this

[compact glen]

I would try to get AR and Health Damage up if possible.

[lone violet]

so i gotta beat it on any difficulty then i can run master

to get the mask

[onyx sage]

you can ask in lfg if anyone has already run it, they can bring you straight in

[olive cosmos]

can you only get that if you reroll for it or how do i get the % higher

[lone violet]

oh ok

[kindred coral]

shd 300 and ngl streamlined is yummy

[compact glen]

Gotta reroll. Optimization ain't worth it.

[onyx sage]

nah optimization is the way cuz rerolling costs exo components which you will need for expertise

[lone violet]

i need to also re do my EP set up cause my god the one i have now is funny

[compact glen]

Eh, matter of a opinion

[onyx sage]

just reroll until you get dttooc and optimize

to get to 30 expertise on an item you need 90 components

that's gonna go up to a thousand or more as you do it to every gun/skill you use

[kindred coral]

also shd 300, what does expertise even do? what does shd even do?

[compact glen]

SHD is obvious. It allows you to add permanent buffs to your character. Have you not been applying the points?

[onyx sage]

expertise slightly increases your damage for most weapons and massively increases damage for some skills

[kindred coral]

i have, just had no clue what they meant beyond "yeah some more ammo is nice"

[kindred coral]

i see ty

[onyx sage]

shd watch bonuses goes up to 999 which you will reach sooner or later

[kindred coral]

300 :3

[compact glen]

Please tell me you haven't been throwing points into ammo rather than accuracy, reload speed, or stability

[lone violet]

can anyone link me to a EP build this spreadsheet is confusing

[kindred coral]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bEVKYB487Lqxy

[candid cave]

Anyone got a merciless build? (Only exotic ar💔)

[compact glen]

I'm allocating my points into weapon damage, armor, skill damage, accuracy

[kindred coral]

[kermit biting nails .gif]

[compact glen]

getting those maxed before I move onto headshot damage, health, repair skills, reload speed

[kindred coral]

i've been going armour, skill haste, damage & ammo

[compact glen]

Realistically, I should be throwing points into CHD or CHC but weapon damage is fine.

[kindred coral]

i've been gunning to max them all out to 50 then move on

[compact glen]

There isn't really a reason to start with ammo.

Ammo drops like candy.

Everything else you said is fine tho

[kindred coral]

i run out of ammo quickly :3

[compact glen]

What do you use?

[kindred coral]

lmg's, smg's

full autos, mainly bc my mouse sensitivity is scuffed and i cant rely on being one of those peeps with sniper accuracy within 0.2s

[olive cosmos]

best i could do for now probably wont reroll on that for awhile ngl

[compact glen]

You know what, that's not a bad one. Almost the same values as my second St Elmo's

[lone violet]

is it possible to do a dps EP set up?

[compact glen]

and then you can just optimize as you go

[kindred coral]

i somehow also btw got a godrolled maxxed gearshift, perfect talent, every core maxxed (by default) and has damage out of cover, critical change & lmg damage

[olive cosmos]

how high can the damage out of cover get

[compact glen]

Now I gotta wonder, for HS build, Shroud vs Mantis

[compact glen]

I think it can also reach 15%?

or wait-

maybe 10 or 12%? I don't remember

Oh, it's 12%

[lone violet]

https://youtu.be/CSaAJhuRe5s idk how to feel about this

[compact glen]

its a dogshit build. What's the point of surviving if you can't even kill anything

Dude is struggling with purples.

[lone violet]

Good thing I didn’t start on a ep set up like that but is support ep the only way to play with that gear set?

[compact glen]

I dunno too much about EP

[lone violet]

Kinda wanted to do some dps or something

[compact glen]

Why not try a Pestilence build?

[lone violet]

Dmg feels like I’m hitting enemies with a paper towel

[livid sorrel]

Fire EP might work on challenging

[burnt bone]

i did reload speed and then ammo :)

[lone violet]

Issue is I run heroic

[livid sorrel]

Then again anything works on challenging

Pestilence is probably the closest thing to a DPS EP

[raven blade]

Current build and stats, all gear pieces are rolled onto CHC (with one or two slots on CHD), obviously not got maxed Watch stats (Prioritising WD not CHC on it atm).

What reccomendations do people have to optimize? I primarily run Countdown and wanna get into incursions and more 'end game' stuff like legendary missions/heroic summit etc.

[hexed steppe]

Oh yeah?

Properly built fire ep can handle heroic

Ep dps without capacitor seems flawed at best

[livid sorrel]

I tried fire ep in heroic summit once and got my shit kicked in, so problem exists between computer and chair

[hexed steppe]

I said properly built 🔥

[livid sorrel]

Oh, capacitor, I was using scorpio

[hexed steppe]

Capacitor adds 60% skill damage and dta that fire dips into. That's on top of all the status effects

[silent storm]

Test Subject or Harmony are good alternatives

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio good on cc ep tho

[silent storm]

That as well

[lone violet]

Question cause I’m probably gonna run a master mission is ep really good for that?

[hexed steppe]

I would take an insync shotgun over harmony or ts on fire or explosives. Dta too good

[hexed steppe]

No. Run dps

[lone violet]

I run in groups

[livid sorrel]

Personally I run pestilence on master/legendary in a party and it feels like I'm doing something so

[silent storm]

I'm leveling my Precision Smart Cover on my FI set and noone is using my cover or shooting the stuff I hit with my Scorp ><

[lone violet]

Idk if vile mask is also good with ep cause that’s the longest mask I been running for a status effect set up

[silent storm]

It's like noone want 75% WH and 31% DttooC

[hexed steppe]

That's the standard for fire ep. Overdogs overshadows it for damage tho.
For cc you dont need to run vile unless its a filler piece

[lunar zephyr]

im currenty playing shotgun/smg but wanna try a marksman rifle build if there is a good one. I would like to have a sniper build

[hexed steppe]

Its like Noone wants to be tied to the cover you chose

[silent storm]

I pick great cover

[hexed steppe]

Shoot the cover they pick

Js

[lone violet]

I recently just got over dogs doing retal

[silent storm]

They all running with shields and not using cover

[livid sorrel]

#ask-td2-community message

[hexed steppe]

Then maybe you should pick another skill

[livid sorrel]

Or pick different teammates

[silent storm]

MM is a cruel mistress

[livid sorrel]

It's one or the other

[hexed steppe]

Tied to tech class when using, but eff them teamates and their buff from survivalist 😂

[lone violet]

Foam and fire starter?

[hexed steppe]

All fire

Fire starter / fire sticky

[neon zealot]

wait, overdogs also for EP?

[hexed steppe]

Yes. It affects fire/oxi/explosives

[lone violet]

What if I go against black tusk? And I’m assume it’s all status effect as the attribute? @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

It is. You have emp grenades for the dogs

[coral reef]

have you actually tried this? or is just theorycrafting? Feels so... unnatural lol

[hexed steppe]

I've used it extensively

[lone violet]

Funny how cleaners aren’t immune to fire besides the big fat tank

[neon zealot]

guess i need a third one

[pearl marten]

best sets to use with scorpio?

[hexed steppe]

Future initiative

Cc eclipse

[lone violet]

So for gear slots you put skill haste?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah haste

[lone violet]

Bet I will look into this later and I do got some guns with insync sitting in my inventory

[coral reef]

aaaand? is it good? does it help on heroic in groups?

[lone violet]

So I’m assume you shoot and proc that skill or how does it work?

[hexed steppe]

Cap will be best, shotgun insync second best

[coral reef]

I mean I already have all the pieces maxed, will try for myself later today

[lone violet]

I do like status effect builds/anything that make missions do the work and melt

[hexed steppe]

You stack your skill damage prior to firing skill. Insync is good for a quick pop and sticky if cold, then stack cap and go to down with the chem

[lone violet]

Ty local deck I will farm what I need later

[normal shadow]

Is Eclipse Protocol still good in a group setting? Or has some other gear company went past it?

[lone violet]

Ok so shoot them with cap and pop fie starter?

[hexed steppe]

It'll add more to your fire tick than vile can add with its status tick. Dogs also affects your capacitor damage. Its a win win

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, or sticky.
If you goto the range youll see a big difference.
Take a cold shot into a target with damage numbers on. Let the fire die. Stack capacitor then take another shot. The fire skills snapshot what your current skill damage is at deploy so it needs stacking prior to fire application.

This excess damage also improves what the fire tick is since thats conditioned on what the blast strength was

[lone violet]

Oh ok I’m seeing so

shoot sticky or starter
start shooting with cap
once fire dies
pop fire again
rooms get wiped

Can’t wait to go to master and try it out lol or legendary cause seeing the room do nothing but panic is always goo to see

[coral reef]

i would certainly panic with someone using fire skills on legendary

[hexed steppe]

Its gonna be tough in leg or master, there is higher hazard resistance on those.

I would keep fire eclipse heroic and down.

Cc eclipse heroic and up

[normal shadow]

What does CC Eclipse include?

[smoky latch]

4pcs Eclipse, the rest depends on what sub-category

[normal shadow]

Is there a BIS sub category?

[smoky latch]

Foam/fire, both are great

Personally I use fire solo, foam in groups

[normal shadow]

Yeah should've clarified: mostly co-op.

[lone violet]

Ah ok cause I’m doing Brooklyn dlc on heroic but for cc eclipse I replace OD for vile mask and survival specialist?

[normal shadow]

I can use striker or skill damage builds for solo.

[smoky latch]

You can use fire in groups too, I just don't do it because their movement animations when on fire are mad annoying and some people have a harder time aiming for headshots with whatever builds they might run that benefits from headshots

[normal shadow]

I'd rather use foam in a group setting because of that point, and just to make things a bit clearer.

[lone violet]

Are shock traps not good to proc EP?

[smoky latch]

Shock traps would proc Creeping Death, not EP, because for an effect to spread you would need a kill of a status effected NPC

If that is what you meant, IDK

[lone violet]

Yeah

Just I wanna go for tinker mask with a group so I’m just thinking of using a vile mask and a bp with creeping and the rest EP

Man I wish scorpion wasn’t the only status base gun in the game for a support role

[smoky latch]

It's very good tho, not much need for anything else I might say

Well, technically....

There are other guns that spread a certain status effect after 3/4 kills

Froth/Lockdown for foam
Pyromaniac for fire
etc.

Plus ofc the respective regular talents you can put on your weapons

[hexed steppe]

For cc use named courier bag or setup bag, and an eletrique off piece

[lone violet]

Electric off piece? Also tbh the set up bag sounds good imo

[silent storm]

Found a Big Al user in the wild. He liked my Precision Smart Cover lol

[pallid siren]

should i use striker with memento or without? and also what build is op rn? idk how to get overdogs and it seems everyone loves them

[smoky latch]

Overdogs drop from TL, farm Hyena Retaliations for its crafting blueprint.
If you need survivability in a DPS build you can use Memento

[junior lagoon]

depends. there is no one op build

[raven blade]

That might explain why I’ve not been able to get it via exotic caches from countdown

[junior lagoon]

i like memento in solo play because gives you survivability

[smoky latch]

It's always good to have to Striker's build.

[pallid siren]

the build that will be good for me, zero expertise low shd but still high dmg

[finite quest]

Solo I personally love heartbreaker

[smoky latch]

Striker's, simple

Easy to farm, valid for any content, very good damage

[lone violet]

Idk but I can’t stand striker set up I have more fun on OD tbh

[junior lagoon]

my view on it is contrary. not enough damage for that little protection. in the middle does neither well

[gentle lichen]

what set up

[junior lagoon]

heartbreaker

tech tank

[lone violet]

I’m looking at this photo that was posted wouldn’t vile be a better choice for support Ep?

[smoky latch]

No

[lone violet]

How come?

[smoky latch]

Read the BTSU gloves' talent and think about it 😉

[lone violet]

Destroy my own hive so my teammates can benefit it’s cool down,duration,and dmg of skills

[smoky latch]

Yup

Plus, it's foam in this variant, not fire

[lone violet]

So like if my restore hive dies then BTSU procs?

[smoky latch]

You have to break it

[lone violet]

Oh I see uh
So throw hive
Break it
Then benefit the btsu buff
Throw healer hive

[smoky latch]

Why healer hive??

This is a status effect (CC) build, not a healer

But yes, works the same with with a healer build

[lone violet]

That what it says in the photo restore hive

[smoky latch]

Oh I see

[lone violet]

Ye

[smoky latch]

My bad, I didn't expect that and didn't read

I prefer clean versions with Skill Haste, personally

[lone violet]

Idk I’m so used to reviver tbh unless my team has one or 2 then I don’t mind switching to healer hive

[lone violet]

I plan on doing that as mod slots and hope I get repair skills on the attributes

[smoky latch]

Check these versions, I like them better, personally:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZOg2CJaxfUNvj_nkh0z8xzTUMtKowImM

[lone violet]

But status effects as a roll I mean on higher levels the enemies have hella resistance

[lone violet]

Bet let me look at it

That’s a lot of photos

[smoky latch]

Detailed descriptions

[lone violet]

Which one do you run a lot for team play?

[normal shadow]

Hmm. Apparently I've got a BTSU Foam build already. This is old, though, so needs some tweaks.

[smoky latch]

When playing MM with randoms

Foam, everything Status Effects/Skill Haste

[lone violet]

Foam and fire?

[smoky latch]

Fire sticky, yes

[lone violet]

And imma guess improvised gloves?

[smoky latch]

Si

But you can use the BTSU and use a Stinger Hive

I have them on me in case I need them; if a team goes down too much

[lone violet]

Stinger hive is the one that procs bleed right?

[hexed steppe]

why not eletrique piece?

[normal shadow]

What gun would work with Scorpio?

In the BTSU heal foam build that is.

[smoky latch]

Lack of Skill Haste

[hexed steppe]

probably better with an fi healer as a group healer tbh. that amp is gonna help a lot

[hexed steppe]

eh, how much haste you need

[smoky latch]

At least a little but for foam 😄

[normal shadow]

Better with what now?

[smoky latch]

14.2s with this setup for foam

[hexed steppe]

should sacrifice your status for it. team should be destroying sitting ducks anyways. how i work it with this in cd anyways.

[smoky latch]

The things I see in random mm made me think the status effect duration I have with this build is necessary :p

[hexed steppe]

no status and its still like 11.5ish foam after 5-6 seconds npcs acan start shooting back anyways iirc

can always shoot another foam

[smoky latch]

I mean why would someone shoot the foamed enemies, right? lol

[hexed steppe]

no threats detected

[smoky latch]

😂

[junior lagoon]

speaking of, can you use riot foam on the end boss in the anderson master?

finally decided to increase proficiency of my chem launcher

[smoky latch]

Its a boss elite, status effects wear off really quick on those

[junior lagoon]

ah ok

[smoky latch]

Can use a Scorpio on him very well tho

[normal shadow]

Wouldn't Froth with Perfect Immobilize be a good second weapon for a foam build?

[hexed steppe]

no

[smoky latch]

No

[hexed steppe]

something with perpetuation would be more useful

[junior lagoon]

will try very soon, once tomorrows seeing red takes effect i will use my pfe build everywhere

[normal shadow]

Well how about Mechanical Animal with Future Perfection?

[hexed steppe]

are you running damage on that build or skilltiers

and crit or no?

[sour acorn]

What is this blue gear im seeing?

[normal shadow]

Probably mostly skill tiers and foams? I think?

[hexed steppe]

colorblind mode

[sour acorn]

Rofl

[smoky latch]

It's green but it's Deuteranopia colorblind mode

[hexed steppe]

so damage weapons kinda useless

[normal shadow]

Yes, mostly.

[hexed steppe]

so go with perpetuation talent weapon and scorpio and lean into the cc. perpetuation can increase your status duration

[smoky latch]

Everlasting Gaze

[hexed steppe]

50% for regular i think

[smoky latch]

Yeah I think so

[hexed steppe]

everlasting gaze is perfect perpetuation

[gentle lichen]

has anyone noticed this?

[hexed steppe]

was cut off from ss

[normal shadow]

Is there a good gun for it? Like would it be a Carbine 7 or a G36 or what?

Haven't gotten Gaze yet.

[neon gorge]

what's the best sniper for a determined headhunter build? ı been using sr1

[hexed steppe]

thats fine

[normal shadow]

Carbine 7 with Perpetuation, would that work?

Oh shit, this build is mostly just repair skills. So this is a dedicated healer.

[civic meteor]

Isn’t catharsis like insanely hard to drop

[lament reef]

pretty sure it’s in the world pool, i got recently it off a BFB story boss

[spice pier]

the T is bugged u can use it but can't see it on hud cz visuals r bugged

[junior lagoon]

yeah figured that. i had to reset it after every combat

[open pulsar]

Perfectly rolled knees and chest, going for exodus gloves and a different elmo's (this ones headshot dmg) all pieces have crit dmg or crit chance

Anything else ?

[junior lagoon]

no that is overdogs

catharsis drops like anything else

[junior lagoon]

why put expertise on your gear but not your weapon

[smoky latch]

Yeah, forget about Exodus Gloves :p

[gray grotto]

you can reroll your elmos once you get enough resources

[open pulsar]

Just got it

[lone violet]

So scorpio
A weapon with prep

[junior lagoon]

i dont like exodus gloves. i would rather use memento

[smoky latch]

Oh yeah do not upgrade your gear, especially with your low level

[lone violet]

Then your screen shot

[open pulsar]

Isnt it a "get out of jail free" every 40 secs ?

[lone violet]

Let’s see how tinker mask master mission works

[smoky latch]

Weapons > skills > gear (later on in the game)

[junior lagoon]

you should not need get out of jail card every 40 secs

[smoky latch]

Yeah and it blocks your team's vision and they potentially go down 😛 Not making friends like that

[open pulsar]

Why not, theyre all perfectly rolled beside optimization (a few percent)

[smoky latch]

If you play solo it's fine

[onyx sage]

if you play well you won't need it, whereas with memento it's a continual bonus

[civic meteor]

I JUST DIDD TOO why I asked lmao

[lone violet]

Can’t wait to try this set up but quick question for mod slots what did you put on your sticky and fire starter

[smoky latch]

Because it is a waste of precious materials for the very tiny benefit you gain

[pallid siren]

i did the most dmg and kills on legendary arena at shd lvl 13... they were +2K, one ran a tank build but the other ran something with super low armor so prolly dps bc i didnt see any skills

[onyx sage]

it's a very small bonus, very very negligible, you would rather spend it for optimization/expertise on guns/skills

just fyi, expertise 30 on all 6 gear pieces is just a bit more than 1 armor core

[pallid siren]

are exodus gloves good?

[onyx sage]

it's really not worth it

[inner sand]

invisible hand is one of best ARs? at least in that spreadsheet the damage is a bit high comparing to others

[open pulsar]

Well damn, im only at expertise 5 anyway sooo

[pallid siren]

are exodus gloves better than unit alloy gloves that give me +20% ar dmg?

[open pulsar]

For shd 40 I'd say im doing okay

[open pulsar]

For solo yea for team based stuff apparently no

[smoky latch]

Yeah stop wasting any additional mats on this, asap 😄

[pallid siren]

so ima farm UA gloves, for more dmg

[lone violet]

I’m at like 7 cause whatever gear I have that isn’t proficient I mark them as trash and yeah

[smoky latch]

Skill Haste

[junior lagoon]

but that click sound when you click on that upgrade button

[open pulsar]

I need to grind mats especially optimization mats anyway, the elmo's has headshot damage so I'll replace it sooner or later

[lone violet]

For both slots?

[flint arch]

exact same video as the one I managed to dig up lol

[pallid siren]

thaats craazy dmg

[astral kraken]

Tank builds are never optimal but if you combine with a good DPS build it'll work okay. Tanks are not enough to carry a low DPS group though. You really really need the DPS.

[smoky latch]

All three slots

[pallid siren]

is this good? all gear is CHD and CHC, on striker only CHD

[junior lagoon]

luckily that changes tomorrow for cooule days

[smoky latch]

You wanna get rid of the Striker's chest and use a Ceska Obliterate chest or Equalizer

[pallid siren]

i use equalizer but with striker chest i do alot of dmg

[silent storm]

The Sacrifice

[open pulsar]

Equalizer is the goat

[pallid siren]

my equalizer has only chc, and what else should i change?

[solar sable]

CHD

[pallid siren]

it only increases dmg by 24%

[open pulsar]

Only if you can hit 200 bullets and keep the stacks, Equalizer goes to 24 soooo

[smoky latch]

The Striker's chest should only be used in activities that have a lot of (tanky) enemies in it. Otherwise you won't be able to keep up your stacks and you waste damage potential

[silent storm]

The Sacrifice is 30

[open pulsar]

Nothing beside raids etc really

[smoky latch]

Incursion and heroic CD, not even needed for raids

[onyx sage]

i only see it useful in incursion, even in raids you won't even use striker

[pallid siren]

so like this?

[onyx sage]

yes that works

[smoky latch]

Ye, better

[open pulsar]

I did heroic CD with equalizer and it worked fine

[pallid siren]

with that i do lower dmg at max stacks, and my crit chc is low ima test it out in firing range

[smoky latch]

I run heroic CD with Striker's chest and am always at max stacks during an encounter

So that works too

[onyx sage]

you have to think beyond what you see at max stacks, in most content you cannot maintain max stacks long enough for it to be worth it

you don't play the game in the shooting range

[silent storm]

Shooting range is the best way to play, the enemy doesn't shoot back

[pallid siren]

i mean try as in see dmg and sum like that.

[smoky latch]

Several things in the shooting range are also broken, so you won't get always accurate results

[pallid siren]

first mag max stacks killer active almost 1m crit 6m dps

[silent storm]

Ofcourse they are broken I keep shooting them

[pallid siren]

25% chc 109% chd, sacrifice chd for chc?

[solar sable]

don't use the "dps meter" from the range, that's not real dps

[pallid siren]

ok

[pallid siren]

30% chc 99% chd, better?

[patent fossil]

You want chd to be about double chc until you get up to 60/120

[gentle lichen]

Gotta get it to at least 50%

[silent storm]

I'll tell you what is real DPS, setting up my Precision Smart Cover from my FI set next to a Big Al using TS wearer.

[pallid siren]

if i get it to 50% i have like 30chd

[junior lagoon]

@onyx sage what is your accuracy in general in missions you soloed?

[onyx sage]

like 50% or less

[smoky latch]

I don't trust the mission summaries. In his videos his aim is 90% on point

[dapper glacier]

im trying to create a skill build with grenades and damage explosions. is there any recommendations for this build or I'm using the wrong gearset? 👀

[safe shoal]

anybody have a good build for demolition signature weapon?

[smoky latch]

@hexed steppe time for Mortarganda

Oh he is offline, RIP. One second

[solar sable]

are you trying to build around the spec or a build that uses the spec weapon?

[smoky latch]

Good point

[solar sable]

I wouldn't use Refactor for a build like that tbh
Check out the pinned Spreadsheet for any explosive type of builds

[pallid siren]

anyone wna do raid dh?

[solar sable]

bruh

[normal shadow]

#lfg-raid-pc

[pallid siren]

ik

[safe shoal]

idk ive played with people using the grenade launcher and they're destroying enemies in both Heroic and Legendary. Im just curious what builds they're using for that amount of damage.

[pallid siren]

i js want eb alot so ima ask anyone and everyone

[uneven nest]

All gas no brakes is def the way. Making me better as a player I feel like too. Having way more fun… feels like an actual challenge. “How many of you mfs can I smelt before I die”

I usually don’t die though. It’s forcing better movement I guess

[smoky latch]

#lfg-raid-pc or Division 2 community discord or GCROCK discord

[solar sable]

context???

[uneven nest]

Dmg build

[safe shoal]

using the signature weapons is not my preferred style that why im asking here. just out of curiosity cause i dont know whats stats or cores to build into.

[solar sable]

whatever...

[uneven nest]

lol okay little buddy. Sorry someone pissed in your cornflakes

might as well not said anything lol

[smoky latch]

woooooooooosaaaaaaaaaaaa 😄

[solar sable]

I asked for context about what your message was about, I didn't understand so I decided to move on, that's it

[uneven nest]

lol k

[smoky latch]

Would you consider playing a mortar build?

[solar sable]

hmmmm, INF, roll that Mortarganda build up

[smoky latch]

That's the plan

Localdeck made a nice guide with explanations, including a build suggestion:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19mY6aOHO0R6BIq7nDFNTk2bducYQkpwsQJNDQhnekAI/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.tq43ffr39060

[safe shoal]

I used to have a mortar build with the rigger set but it got boring after a while

[smoky latch]

And here is another one:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14JewhEMH0hPmmCMGRYirMzcpzd6TiIzngyUTnA7Shcw/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.lgl0lchtu40p

[smoky latch]

Bury Rigger

Those builds above are ideal builds for the demo spec tho

[solar sable]

they have evolved into what we know nowadays, Rigger was left in the past

[uneven nest]

Yea and I the I told you and you say “whatever…” cause you’re edgy. I get it. Sorry you’re like that. Hope you have a good day. 🙂

[neon gorge]

assuming ı can't keep up vigilance well, what is the next best backpack talent for a hotshot sniper build? or is there a n exotic that slots in?

[smoky latch]

Time to relax now

[smoky latch]

Don't consider changing the talent, the talent is good. Be water, my friend

[uneven nest]

I mean I didn’t do anything but call him out. Guess that makes me the bad guy?

[smoky latch]

Adapt and overcome, use cover, peek less (only when ready to shoot)

[neon gorge]

enter the matrix, dodge the bullets

[solar sable]

Overdogs, and yes you can as long as you're killing enemies in one shot lolol

[uneven nest]

🙄

[smoky latch]

I didnt't judge any of you, just mentioned it's time to chill

[uneven nest]

Sure thing

[safe shoal]

I saw that build on the div 2 spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1380412817#gid=1380412817
i was just curious if there was a build with the grenade launcher as the primary damage output

[solar sable]

what content u trying to clear? 👀

[safe shoal]

i know, refractor is the new go-to for me now

[neon gorge]

ı am using the hotshot ı put together for doing control points rn ı need crafting bps

[solar sable]

it's a banger if you build it right

[smoky latch]

That link just takes me to the main page

[solar sable]

u running decoy?

[uneven nest]

Now bro what’s to pretend he’s a nice person lol give me a break

[safe shoal]

theres a build tab at the bottom

[smoky latch]

Spec weapons are never the primary source for damage; there are events that enable you to use them more often however, but those are limited

[neon gorge]

ı should?

[flint arch]

Mantis with decoy is funny, lets me train my aim while giving me leeway to miss

[safe shoal]

mmm I see

[safe shoal]

indeed

[solar sable]

yup yup, it can take aggro away if you throw it somewhere visible and leaves you some space to breathe, reposition and shoot from the back

[neon gorge]

yeah ı am doing determined headhunter since ı got no aim

[neon gorge]

alright ı'll try it ı finished WoNY like 2 days ago didn't really try the new skills yet

[solar sable]

I mean you can get godly (near) aim if you try to use an exo mmr

[safe shoal]

@solar sable@smoky latch thank you for the info 🙂

[solar sable]

have fun with your new builds tho

[neon gorge]

ı got a couple exotics mmrs lying around would need to check my stash tho

[safe shoal]

I will, thanks again 🤙

[smoky latch]

Brother, you have the luxury of playing this game with keyboard and mouse, you don't need Determined :p

[neon gorge]

point and click ı know ı know

[smoky latch]

I mean I use it too when I'm farming, but if you wanna practice aiming and hitting headshots use a talent like Ranger for instance

[solar sable]

or Lucky Shot if you wanna practice without fear

[neon gorge]

ı got dread edict, shroud, sacrum imperium, and mantis as exotic mmrs

[solar sable]

keep Shroud and Mantis then ditch the others

[neon gorge]

yeah ı have been keeping all exotics ı get ı don't have extensive info on what is and isn't good

[smoky latch]

At some point I recommend trying all of them just to see what they're about

[solar sable]

I recommend you start by training with Mantis since every kill refreshes decoy (i.e. infinite decoy)

see what I did there? 🥴

[neon gorge]

will do.

[onyx sage]

psycho mantis?

[solar sable]

psycho killer

[neon gorge]

ok for mantis do you want chc/cdmg? or just hs dmg ?

[solar sable]

always HSD and WH

[neon gorge]

ok thanks

[hazy steeple]

run, run, run awaaaaaay.

[neon gorge]

is 239 hs dmg 38 weapon handling good? it isn't ı know ı don't got the maxed library or mods yet

[smoky latch]

Decent start

[neon gorge]

what does the ideal look like?

[smoky latch]

What was your build again?

4pcs Hotshot - and?

[neon gorge]

with mantis

[smoky latch]

4pcs HotShot, Chainkiller, Airaldi Vigilance?

[neon gorge]

ı don't got any backpacks rn (hotshot was a spontaneous decision so ı had cleaned inventory) ı am using memento and chainkiller. I am asking for the hsd dmg and handling you would reach with a proper build

[smoky latch]

Ah. I mean Airaldi would be ideal for that setup

If you come across people saying "YOU NEED 2pcs HABSBURG" just don't listen. Those unicorns aren't needed for anything

[neon gorge]

unicorn? hard to get?

[smoky latch]

Not just "hard" to get

But yes, 🦄

[neon gorge]

ahh habsburg comes with blue core true. You would need all secondaries rolled perfect

[smoky latch]

And talents on top 😂

[neon gorge]

oh my god ı am NOT farming nothing like that hell no

[smoky latch]

😄

[neon gorge]

will look out for airaldi/do a airaldi targeted thank you

[smoky latch]

Aye, good luck

[junior lagoon]

3 countdowns is all it takes

[solar sable]

(to run out of patience)

[smoky latch]

"I ran three Countdowns and didn't get what I wanted, wahhh wahhh" - average Reddit post

[flint arch]

I didn't immediately get godrolled Lengmo pieces = Countdown sucks

[neon gorge]

people complaining they didn't get the perfeect god rolled pieces the 30000 shd level content creators are showing off within 2 hours of play time always make me laugh

[smoky latch]

Yeah cobans :p

[haughty shale]

What's the go to hybrid support build looking like in this day in age? Is it 4 piece striker and 2 Alp?

[flint arch]

striker for support?? oh

[smoky latch]

Can try yellow Striker's

[flint arch]

So far the only one I've seen is full red Future Initiative

[onyx sage]

i support my teammates by killing everything so they don't take damage

[flint arch]

The ultimate enemy debuffer, after all being dead is the ultimate debuff

[onyx sage]

death is just a status effect

[flint arch]

invest all your stats in status effect

I'm tempted to write a manifesto on why you should run 6 red cores as a new player but I'm afraid what I write will be misleading and incorrect

[buoyant mulch]

im running 5 reds and an armor and its been perfect for me so far :D

[lone perch]

St elmo blueprint hard to get?

[flint arch]

you need to kill the kill squad in true sons retal for a chance to get one

it could be difficult

[lone perch]

oki nvm xd

[flint arch]

if you're asking for the reconfigure blueprint, just buy it from Inaya

[lone perch]

I just wanna craft it

since it doesn't drop xd

[smoky latch]

3 Countdown runs?

[silent storm]

That's a lot

[lone perch]

I am spamming it no luck so far

[silent storm]

What are you looking for?

[smoky latch]

Elmo

[silent storm]

in Countdown? lol

[lone perch]

yea?

why not xd

[silent storm]

I've personally never seen exotic drop in Countdown

[lone perch]

I just do it and open boxes

[silent storm]

I hope your RNG is better than mine

[lone perch]

its not lmao

30+ runs 0 exotics

[silent storm]

I got Elmo from Retal

[winter topaz]

Hey agents.

So i have a question. Is there someone here who is interested in some build advice in dm. Because i wanna share some images. Bother no one else etc.

Cuz i got my very first build and i wanna see what i can improve on it etc. Feel free to send me a dm if interested 🙂

[silent storm]

Just post it noone cares

[winter topaz]

i pref it in dms :))

[lofty knoll]

hi to all, can i find houndies in game? now

[smoky latch]

Well, this is the right place tho

Don't be shy

[winter topaz]

i know i know 🙂 but i am more of a person 1 on 1 😄

[smoky latch]

I don't trust it, you could post feet pics

[winter topaz]

has nothing to do with shy. i just pref it just from 1 person. nothing wrong with that i hope!