td2-build-advice

[burnt bone]

Omg omg mr chow spotted

[pallid siren]

and if its op its enough for me

[vernal tusk]

Is it not waird i have ninja backpack , 3 hearbreaker. And since i cant get 100 stack cause i need to use Ninja backpack . I cant use backpack HB.

[burnt bone]

Try an acs12 for stacking, you get to max in a few seconds

[pallid siren]

dont have it

[burnt bone]

Don’t use ninjabike

[subtle bluff]

It matters and it doesn't matter at the same time.

[dense roost]

Just got the Datagloves and they seem great for a support build, what are some good weapons to compliment that since I imagine it's a pretty passive playstyle

[burnt bone]

But actually what are you asking

[pallid siren]

so it doesnt matter

[burnt bone]

Scorpio (exotic) and lefty (named)

[dense roost]

I do have Lefty

[burnt bone]

Rip

[vernal tusk]

Ok. I just thought why cant ninjabackpack know i want to use Hp backpack since it ads a fourth pice

[burnt bone]

Don’t use HB backpack

[dense roost]

From what I can tell Ninjabike allows you to be more flexible but will overall result in weaker builds

[burnt bone]

Uhhh ceska with vigilance is most common I think

[dreamy valve]

Alejandro stacks strikers fast enough

[subtle bluff]

Shown above. M4 works fine.

[burnt bone]

Typically much weaker

[dense roost]

It's probably fine if you don't have anything else you can use, like me lmao

[burnt bone]

Stack dnoyc

[cerulean smelt]

backpack talents are really strong to miss out just to allow a 3rd brandset or 4th gearset in some convoluted build to increase damage

[dense roost]

For example u wouldn't ever wanna use it in striker afiak bc the backback talent on the striker bag is a huge damage add you can't miss out on

[subtle bluff]

"Flexible" is a weird way to make a build weaker..

[pallid siren]

how r u getting so much damage while at max stacks i do the same dmg you do at like 30 stacks

[burnt bone]

It’s pretty much only ever used on specific pvp builds

[dense roost]

I mean in a sense of it lets you mix and match and get multiple benefits which would probably be better in lower level content where you don't need to stack all the damage in the world

[burnt bone]

Beyond that’s it’s considerably worse than literally anything else haha

[pallid siren]

i remember having like 1.7m crits back on console but idk what build

[dense roost]

I have learned that builds on this game for endgame are all in, this isn't like Destiny where you can just be good at everything (Solar Warlock)

[subtle bluff]

Here's the thing. Talents are very powerful. Lose one to gain brandset bonus doesn't make up for that talent lose.

[subtle bluff]

Base WD first off.

[pallid siren]

wd? wood dil?

[burnt bone]

True sons are retaliating

[dreamy valve]

Since you’re on a PC account, you’ll have to grind back your SHD, Library, Optimization, Expertise etc but that’s gunna take time

[pallid siren]

weapon dmg?

[pallid siren]

ik

[burnt bone]

I wish there was an 💯 but like 75 or 50

[willow sigil]

are there guideline breakpoints you want to hit to know when you are ready to move up in world difficulty?

[cerulean smelt]

any vets remember when Perfect Focus Strikers was a thing?

[subtle bluff]

I mean you still can use it just not OP as it was.

[burnt bone]

If you can kill everything without any difficulty

[pallid siren]

at max stacks we do the same dmg to hp and i do lower dmg to armor but the crit is waaay lower, chd issue?

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean?

[subtle bluff]

Killer weapon talent is very powerful.

[compact glen]

Man, idk how anyone can say Sharpshooter is good for farming control points

[cerulean smelt]

only things that come to mind is like what kind of damage they must reliably hit before upping their difficulty

[burnt bone]

Are you using the determined hotshot build

[subtle bluff]

And to note that clip is the old meta from 2 years ago.

[compact glen]

ye

[dull pelican]

Okay guys I need help

[compact glen]

I mean, it could just be that sharpshooter isn't fully leveled yet

[subtle bluff]

Spec isn't the focus of any build.

[compact glen]

Spec?

[burnt bone]

Uhhhhh more than likely a skill issue because hotshot + determined is busted

[dull pelican]

So I’m in the midst of trying to finish off my striker build. I get the talent strikers gamble if I have one more piece of striker gear on but at the cost of losing some armour points

[pallid siren]

do u have dmg to armor on the m4 or sum? cuz on hp i do the same dmg and crit is 820k but on hp 270k no c with crit i do 700k

[subtle bluff]

Start leveling others. Gunner would be the suggest.

[burnt bone]

What do you need help with

[dull pelican]

Making up for the armour loss

[pallid siren]

where can i farm coyotes mask? might be better than the 20% ar dmg i get with my holster

[cerulean smelt]

Jefferson Trade Center has a boss named coyote, other wise target loot challening countdown

[pallid siren]

okay ok OK okey oky oki okaj

[willow sigil]

something like that. for example i can kill things in heroic, but im also getting tapped. i can move down to challenging and kill things a little quicker, but im also still getting tapped. So was just wondering if there was like a hey, before you run challenging, you should x stats, and then once you hit y stats, you should be able to move up to heroic and it becomes less of a build check and more so a skill check.

[subtle bluff]

and again that is the old meta build from 2 years ago.

probably older.

[pallid siren]

but will it be better? or should i farm sum better?

i also remember this build

[subtle bluff]

The only change is that Killer got a big buff.

[smoky latch]

Overdogs as I said earlier

[cerulean smelt]

game builds are always evolving. new exotic or named items releases which makes some builds even stronger

[pallid siren]

those r weird, it only helps on some enemies

[pallid siren]

ik

[subtle bluff]

I'm pretty sure if you posted your build earlier few of the guys here should of pointed you in the right direction.

[smoky latch]

But when they work, they're top notch. You will also get used to the order of tiers

[subtle bluff]

new meta is lil nutter.

If that was good to you

[cerulean smelt]

but you gotta be willing to comprise and try our suggestions

[subtle bluff]

Should I post my imo new meta clip?

[burnt bone]

Don’t worry about it

[subtle bluff]

DTTooC. DTA is a smaller number both in math and actually value

[dense roost]

For thunder st rike, do I only get the enhanced damage if the shock is applied by the weapon or can it be other sources? Thinking about throwing this into my elmos setup because I haven't really found a secondary I love in that slot yet

[burnt bone]

Yesyesyes

[dense roost]

Aside from Dark Winter which has just been generically good

[burnt bone]

Any shock

[dense roost]

ty

[keen plank]

Is there a good red build for rifles that's not headhunter? Should I do all high end for it? Wanna try something new.

[subtle bluff]

It's more of gameplay. Div2 ai just plays a lil difference.

[subtle bluff]

It's thought but at the same time you could of probably finished off that same ad with elmo without any extra fuss.

[tulip charm]

Is overdogs caches/retaliation only?

I need to get all the exotics again after break 😭

[dense roost]

True, I just like all my weapon slots to at the very least do something.

[smoky latch]

Targeted loot, exo caches, crafting blueprint comes from Hyena Retaliations

[subtle bluff]

It's general loot pool. Just retal hyena gives a RNG for the blueprint.

[cerulean smelt]

overdogs in retaliation is just for blueprint so you can craft them

[dense roost]

Even if I'm maining one gun

[tulip charm]

Oh

[subtle bluff]

We normally suggest a different weapon type and something that makes up for the con of the primary weapon.

[tulip charm]

Thx guys

[dense roost]

I was using a Brazen ACS-12 for quite a while and enjoyed it, fun to switch it up every so often tho

[subtle bluff]

So in the case of both AR is burst DPS, LMG longer range accuary, etc.

[subtle bluff]

HE's not here anymore..

[dreamy valve]

You’re missing alot of crit sources since it’s a new account and character. It’s going to take time. Once you get Overdogs it’s just about the grind

[tawdry mango]

jus swapped from console to PC, rebuilding is striker+AR the best noob kit to get farmin again or what

[serene flare]

what's the best shogun type to use that's not a SPAS-12?

[smoky latch]

M870

[subtle bluff]

It depends. Normally m870/KSG.

[smoky latch]

^ Better answer

[pallid siren]

overdogs farm countdown?

[burnt bone]

For what

[serene flare]

Hunter's Fury stuff

[subtle bluff]

It's in the general loot pool so you can TL it. If you do retal Hyena there is another chance of getting the blueprint.

[pallid siren]

tl?

[burnt bone]

Then yeah m870

[serene flare]

does it matter which M870, or do both work?

[subtle bluff]

Target Loot. Also here

[burnt bone]

Think they’re all the same

[smoky latch]

There are three variants, they're the same I was told

[dreamy valve]

Hyena Retaliations heroic diff

Should give you the blueprint

[burnt bone]

Eventually ;-; still looking for mine

[surreal nebula]

hey im looking for high dps lmg bUILD

[burnt bone]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gvv20WAX-qDLNqLj8qQCQjBbQxjz4A0OrzBBYL3hRoc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[subtle bluff]

Stiker and TS are good. Has pointed you that a guide to one of them.

[eternal shale]

Don't know much about builds but seeing as this is max attributes its worth keeping right?

[cerulean smelt]

i guess if you want to run a half baked rifle build as the talent is for skills 😹

[burnt bone]

I’d prob extract crit damage from it

[eternal shale]

Noted

[burnt bone]

It has maxxed stats but unfortunately not enough are used in a build together to justify running it

[eternal shale]

im currently just running around with the refactor set and joining random missions

[subtle bluff]

The talent isn't worth. In the starter guide from the build up there's a keep loot list.

[storm moon]

What is diferent TS LMG or CC LMG are both dps ?

[smoky latch]

CC you mean Concentrated Company?

[storm moon]

Yes

[burnt bone]

CoCo is more annoying/specific to maintain stacks

[smoky latch]

CoCo is great for Pestilence especially (but more for group play due to how it works), most LMGs work well with TS because of the very high CHD values you reach

[burnt bone]

Really really good in groups

[storm moon]

K ty

[storm moon]

Which LMG ppls go with TS

[smoky latch]

CoCo = high ceiling for weapon damage and a bit of CHD
TS = very high ceiling for CHD

[storm moon]

Need something easy and relax to play 😄

[smoky latch]

Depends. Nowadays Big Alejandro, GR9 w/ Frenzy talent for instance. But Bluescreen is top as well

[storm moon]

So both high ceiling ? What is something ez to play ?

[smoky latch]

TS is easy to play, Striker's is easy to play

If you play solo it will take you a while to get to max. stacks with CoCo

[storm moon]

I mostly play with my bro

[subtle bluff]

The biggest difference between CoCO and TS is how stacks are gained and lost.

[smoky latch]

With damage ceiling I meant the highest possible damage

[storm moon]

What about scorpio any good ?

[smoky latch]

Good for CC/support builds

[subtle bluff]

Support builds

[storm moon]

Oh ok

[worn imp]

hey chow does this count as a new multiplier if you dont have any other source of total skill dmg? or should I be using combined arms

[subtle bluff]

Talent wise depends on the build.

But yes Total Skill DMG is a new number

[worn imp]

how bout this?

[subtle bluff]

idk, actually dunno if that applies to off the top of my head it should unless otherwise in game. I wonder if that applies to repair too

[narrow wave]

can anyone help me on how to farm good pvp gear

[hexed steppe]

combined arms is stronger but requires more maintenance. what skills?

[smoky latch]

Challenging Countdown, targeted loot in general. Named items come quick from named item caches, their blueprints can be farmed via Retaliations (Descent works too), you will need to craft Reconstructed caches.

[narrow wave]

i know your trying to help me which i appreciate but i dont understand what any of that is lol

only been playing for 2 days, just reached lvl 40, there is so much to to idk where to start

[hexed steppe]

goto map> matchmaking> countdown> challenging. accept the invite, follow the group, pick up all the gear, dont die

[narrow wave]

i want to aim on getting good gear to run darkzone

[flint arch]

level 40 guide

[smoky latch]

Here is a decent starter guide for some initial info:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

On top, you may wanna watch some guides on YT about certain mechanics to get an idea

[flint arch]

DZ is extremely dead before SHD level 1000, at most you'll find a few players that are completely unprepared to 1v1 you

They might, for example, not know they need to go rogue to kill you if you're not rogue yourself, so they end up dumping 3 mags into you with no effect

[narrow wave]

okay, how do you get shd level 1000?

[flint arch]

Control Point XP Farming

[narrow wave]

ty

[smoky latch]

You level up over time. First, you reach level 40, afterwards you continue with SHD levels

[hexed steppe]

this is why level 40 boost is a bad idea

at least with wony, you were forced to level 30-40

[smoky latch]

Most new players are currently fast tracking

[hexed steppe]

i get it

[flint arch]

I think the game should lock character boosts behind legit progression

[narrow wave]

na i done it legit

[smoky latch]

Which results in other issues later on, unavoidable in this constellation

[hexed steppe]

but it leaves them completely unaware of any game mechanics

[narrow wave]

im just stuck on what to do next for good gear

[hexed steppe]

countdown is a game mode. 8 player with selectable target loot. thats the goto farm for early game

[smoky latch]

Decide for a build, then farm for it. The first pinned message in this channel will link you to a spreadsheet with a lot of very useful information. You will also see some PvP build suggestions

[hexed steppe]

check the pin here for a spreadsheet with build guides and that will help you figure out what gear to select in the target loot

to selct target loot, look at the map, hover over either of the circled areas and press h. you select the gear icon you want to farm, brand/weapon/type

same target is used for summit, countdown, or retaliations

[burnt bone]

Uhhh what’s the last piece on heartbreaker with memento

Salvo or smth?

(For techtank purposes)

[onyx sage]

i think so

[burnt bone]

Shweet thank you mr dien

[compact glen]

Aside from 1886, are there any rifles that would work on a Hotshot build? Not liking how slow most guns seem to fire (that, and I can't seem to aim for shit)

[smoky latch]

M1A maybe, but also slow

Most rifles are used for crit builds/WD builds

Hotshot is headshot focused

[compact glen]

hmm

[smoky latch]

Also, Hotshot is meant for MMRs, not rifles

[compact glen]

Well

[smoky latch]

Use Breaking Point or a mix of HE and BP pieces for rifles

[compact glen]

1886 isn't a MMR, and yet....

[smoky latch]

Hotshot gives you +30% MMR damage that you don't use. Waste

You can use a rifle as backup tho, but I'd use a MMR

[hexed steppe]

-# breaking point enters the conversation

[smoky latch]

^ I mentioned BP 😛

[hexed steppe]

hotshot is a dead set in my eyes

[compact glen]

what's breaking point?

I heard HS was "busted."

[smoky latch]

Look up the details, it's a rifle gear set

[hexed steppe]

25%mmr/25%rifle

[hexed steppe]

its determined+headhunter thats busted

[smoky latch]

Youtube video?

[hexed steppe]

can use grey gear otherwise and still do well

[compact glen]

#td2-build-advice message

[smoky latch]

Determined is a broken shit talent, that is the busted part

[compact glen]

Thinking I might take a break from my hotshot build and start focusing on my FI Healer

cause sniping ain't for me

[smoky latch]

And how do you plan on playing solo?

[compact glen]

Striker Gunner with St. Elmo's.

[smoky latch]

A'ight

[compact glen]

Yeah.

That said, I'm wondering if the one Pestilence build I saw wouldn't be a better option

cause that hefty room clearing potential kinda goes hard.

[smoky latch]

Both builds are great, one for solo, the other one better in group play

[hexed steppe]

the lengmo will be good in both group and solo

[compact glen]

What's better for solo, Striker Gunner or CoCo Pesti?

[hexed steppe]

no stacking needed

[smoky latch]

Lengmo Pesti

[compact glen]

lengmo?

[hexed steppe]

check the pins

[smoky latch]

Imagine Fox's Prayer as kneepads

Hard to farm thom the Lengmo pieces

[hexed steppe]

its like a whole build bible wrote by Lootcifer himself... with some help ofc

[compact glen]

Oh, you mean these?

[smoky latch]

Yeah that build is in the Pestilence guide which is part of the spreadsheet mentioned in the pins

[hexed steppe]

get the broken overlisters and you can use contractors also

[smoky latch]

Hahahahah, use it as long as it lasts 😂

[compact glen]

Thing is, I'm kinda bored of running gunner

[hexed steppe]

build mortar supremacy from the sheet

[compact glen]

so why is Lengmo tough to farm?

[hexed steppe]

nothing boring about that

[smoky latch]

You can run DPS with a different specialization 😛

[compact glen]

I do have some stuff to start running mortar

mortar's demolitionist, right?

[hexed steppe]

youll never look back

trust

[compact glen]

Which is actually a spec I already have maxed out

@hexed steppe What's your mortar build look like?

[hexed steppe]

loot up mortar supremacy on that tab you have open

[compact glen]

I know there's a mortar explosive build, but

[hexed steppe]

its got my name on it

it has image

and explanation

[compact glen]

Damn, I need to get BTSU gloves

I haven't even gotten overdogs yet

I don't even know how to trigger retaliations

[hexed steppe]

you got the blueprint for overdogs

[compact glen]

I did, but I can't build em

I need a lot of SHD watches, and I can't remember the other resource I need

[buoyant kraken]

I currently have the following builds.

-Red Striker with coyote and ceska chest.
-Determined Hotshot build with white death/1886
-Refactor build
-FI heal build
-Blue striker + new exotic backpack / eagle bearer (its a nice dz loadout but not 100% sure if I want to keep this)
-CoCo pestilence
-Vile + x4 OD set. Red cores and status effect. I trigger hollowpoint via grenade.

I mainly play heroic with full directives. So I switch between all these loadouts as I feel like.

Does anyone have any other builds that they recommend? I still wanna try a PFE build. But not sure how I wanna go at it or if theres other tankier builds? I don't care much about damage for a tanky build. Just survivability so the team can kill the enemies

[smoky latch]

You're missing a decent CC build

[buoyant kraken]

This is true. I also took off TS. As I had too many "dps" builds

[smoky latch]

Well if DPS is your play style that's normal

I also have like 80% DPS builds saved in my loadouts

[buoyant kraken]

The vile/pesti build was done today and I like it as it helps the team. Not something id just play with solo.

If I play solo I just run hotshot/striker. In group I run the rest mostly

[smoky latch]

Idk, too niche for me

I'd recommend an actual OD DPS build tho which also supports your team

[buoyant kraken]

Coco pesti does it better tbh. But vile OD shows more pop ups xD

[hexed steppe]

yeah i agree, you need a fire eclipse build

[smoky latch]

Fire, foam EP, both good

[hexed steppe]

dont vile od when you can overdogs od

[smoky latch]

Foam/fire sticky is my favorite personally

[hexed steppe]

fire will do damage while also cc

[buoyant kraken]

I dont like overdogs tbh. Idk why. I just run it on coco pesti since 30% amp helps the tick

[hexed steppe]

now imagine that 30% amp on top of your 50% amp from od chest

its not even something you gotta think about

[buoyant kraken]

Well I mean I run ceska chest with gc and overdogs for coco specifically. I know it hits hard. But the damage taken is not something I like.

[hexed steppe]

overdogs is 30% amp with no damage taken

its the glass thats damage taken

[buoyant kraken]

Ye sorry. I saw 50% and thought you were talking about gc talent.

I farmed eclipse set today aswell. Will check od tomorrow to improve

[hexed steppe]

can use overdogs in fire eclipse as well.

[buoyant kraken]

Do I run iron lung + overdogs + x4 eclipse and?

[hexed steppe]

run capacitor

60% skill damage boosts the fire skills

[buoyant kraken]

Oh ye eclipse is yellow cores.

Bleed hive + fire should wipe them or too much?

[hexed steppe]

this is what i use

you can use hive as second skill, and i have in the past as well, but fire is just the strongest status for ep

[compact glen]

How do I get Capacitor?

[hexed steppe]

complete 5 summit challenges

[compact glen]

I haven't even tried Summit

no one wants to queue with a SHD 50

[hexed steppe]

noone really uses suppit outside of legendary boss floors. just go ina nd do the challenges and be out

[compact glen]

does difficulty matter?

[hexed steppe]

no

[compact glen]

cool, doing it on normal then

how do I check my challenge progress?

[hexed steppe]

map> ascent challenges when on site

it doesnt matter which list. 5 easy ones

[neon gorge]

what would you guys recommend as main weapon for a strikers? ı don't have a lexington so ı am currently running elmo but ı feel like a high end with a dmg talent would be better maybe

[subtle bluff]

Any +790 rpm weapon with killer (solo) or measured

[neon gorge]

will keep in mind thanks

[compact glen]

What's a better option for St. Elmo's:
14.7% AR Damage
21.0% Health Damage
6% DTOC

or

13.8% AR Damage
14.0% Health Damage
9% DTOC

[subtle bluff]

whatever adds up to a higher number

[compact glen]

mhm, and that would be?

[buoyant perch]

You would have to put the number in ikia dps spreadsheet. Input %armor and %headshot and the rest of your build. Too many variables and too much work basically. Just choose whatever needs less optimization.

[subtle bluff]

I mean.. My answer still stands. What adds up together...

[burnt bone]

What if we added me and you together…

[last schooner]

is the Chameleon work for a HF build or do SMG have better DPS?

[compact glen]

Chameleon's an assault rifle. It won't benefit at all from Hunter's Fury.

Which personally, I think is extremely dumb since it's a Vector and they're literally SMGs.

[last schooner]

err, it will just miss out on the SMG bonus. Chameleon is basically a SMG with its crap range and acc

[compact glen]

I mean sure

but Backfire exists

[last schooner]

but then I need to spend attributes on HazPro?

[flint arch]

no

hazpro will hurt your damage, and you can spam reload 3 times to gain bleed immunity

[burnt bone]

Not usually worth using over other exotics or a HE smg

[flint arch]

also, ideally, the AoK will let you recover from any armor lost from bleeding

[compact glen]

Man, I miss the first Division when builds weren't so convoluted

[flint arch]

you mean when we have zero build diversity whatsoever with classified sets?

[compact glen]

I mean- yeah

But I'm talking launch day Division.

Builds didn't matter. You just grab the set with the highest numbers, let the skills diversify the builds. Some healed, others did damage

I miss when seeker drones were actually useful. What was the point of a revive hive?

[burnt bone]

You want your choices to have less impact on gameplay?

[compact glen]

I just want to play endgame without having to worry about minmaxing.

Division 2 literally requires at least a minmaxed Striker

[flint arch]

then this isn't really the game for you

[buoyant perch]

You can clear div2 legendary with grey lv1 gear. Your skills matter way more than the builds.

[flint arch]

also no, your Striker can be a little bit lopsided and you'll still clear Heroic

If you want to mindlessly slap together something and still clear stuff, I don't think this game based around getting gear to shoot enemies better is a great match

[buoyant perch]

And endgame striker takes a couple of hours in CD to assemble

[smoky latch]

For how long are you playing? Days? Weeks? This game is meant to be played long term. It has learning curves about a lot of things. You can't rush that. You'll get better pieces while playing. You get materials to upgrade builds while you play. It all just takes time. The game understanding also comes with time

[flint arch]

Gear sets are the easiest build to make honestly (unless you need to reroll cores), I got a very competent OD set just from one challenging CD run

@subtle bluff Question, how much damage does a Striker build with PGC + Vigilance deal compared to standard Striker with Overdogs

[edgy bone]

in the meantime while I attempt to a farm a good white death this is pretty decent once I optimize everything right?

[flint arch]

not worth optimizing at all

[edgy bone]

aight bet

[flint arch]

if you need to optimize something more than 3 times (iirc), you're better off finding a different copy (or reconfig if it's an exotic)

[subtle bluff]

less but uptime and playstyle can make a big difference.

[edgy bone]

I've just been incredibly unlucky with white death drops and the only 1 I had was shared with me and it was mehhh

[subtle bluff]

I have a PGC striker showcase I need to redo it with MG5

[smoky latch]

What difficulty do you play on?

[edgy bone]

minimum challenging for pretty much everything

[flint arch]

heroic has higher minimum rolls

[edgy bone]

I've dabbled in heroic but I felt super weak

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[edgy bone]

sorry wrong reply

[smoky latch]

Keep at it then until you can run heroic.

The average rolls are much better

[buoyant perch]

If 100% vigilance uptime, it's equivalent to Overdog 60% uptime

[burnt bone]

Chat what builds is bighorn good with

A HE AR setup?

[compact glen]

Honestly? if Hotshot wasn't MMR only, I'd recommend that

Which one's HE again?

[burnt bone]

High End

[compact glen]

Ohh

[lament reef]

yellows

[compact glen]

Honestly, I'd rock whatever benefits headshots

max out headshot damage and whatnot

bighorn go brrr

[neon gorge]

what build would yuou guys recommend for a more marksman type experience? ı don't want the tap heads with scope one ı don't got thr aim for that more so rifles than mmrs

[normal shadow]

How about a Striker build with a Classic M1A or 1886?

[neon gorge]

striker works with non automatic weapons? won't the stack generation suffer?

[compact glen]

That's why you bring an ACS to build up the stacks

then go to town with classic M1A with determined

[normal shadow]

You do get an increase in rate of fire so it's not out of the question.

[neon gorge]

oh that's true actually

[flint arch]

#td2-build-advice message

[flint arch]

#td2-build-advice message

[compact glen]

is Scorpio automatic or semi?

[smoky latch]

Semi

[flint arch]

That's highly situational and would just be a worse 2pc breaking point + chainkiller

[compact glen]

Hm, was wondering if it would be good to build up striker stacks

[smoky latch]

No

[compact glen]

Didn't think so.

[flint arch]

You can use Striker with stuff like Regulus and such with HSD, but at that point we're talking about boss one-shots, not simple rifle usage

[serene flare]

I'm so stupid that it's genuinely embarrassing... I didn't have the 15% MMR damage from my specialization tree active
with that and the fully stacked Memento, Nemesis can one tap an Elite, and even without the Memento 5 minute buff, I'm literally like a couple of Expertise levels off from hitting the natural Elite 1 tap

[hexed steppe]

nice

i overlooked that myself

[serene flare]

I never touch those weapon buffs, so I had it on Shotgun and SMG from when I started my Hunter's Fury build lmao

[dire terrace]

hey last time i was in here i could have sworn there was a doc full of builds is that still around?

[edgy bone]

funny story I was just getting my ass beat but slogging through and clearing activities only to realize I was on heroic right now lol

it was not pretty but it was getting done

[dire terrace]

lmao nice xD

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Sheet 2

[serene flare]

would a HF headshot shotgun build be better off rolling HSD as the attribute on the shotgun, or DTTOOC?

[subtle bluff]

ALWAYS DTTooC

[dire terrace]

i cannot do it right this moment but in light of the new dlc and what not coming if i were to post my build in here and stats would you guys help me tighten it up where i need im kinda dumb

[dire terrace]

also thank you sir

[smoky latch]

Sure, just post and ask whenever you can

[dire terrace]

your name is great and thank you lol

its especially great because im asking advice lol

[lone violet]

Anyone got a strong on going directive build?

[civic meteor]

What’s that pistol that makes your really fast?

[subtle bluff]

Yes the guide to one is in the Build Hub

[compact glen]

Is this a good roll for Capacitor, or should I change DTOC to DTA?

doing a mortar build

[lone violet]

Is it in this server? I seen a lot of people run on going with tinker mask but I don’t have it yet so I’m trying to do smth different

[subtle bluff]

Keep that

[lone violet]

I just got back into the game after many years

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Search or look for what you need.

[burnt bone]

Always DTOC

[compact glen]

Guide was saying that DTA improves explosive damage

[burnt bone]

Oh idk about mortars

[compact glen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19mY6aOHO0R6BIq7nDFNTk2bducYQkpwsQJNDQhnekAI/edit?tab=t.0

[burnt bone]

We have a guy for that @hexed steppe

[compact glen]

Following this guide.

[hexed steppe]

thats localdeck's guide 😎

[compact glen]

refer to my pic above then pls

[hexed steppe]

yes

notice how it already has dta and dttooc on it. cap has a native high dta 2nd roll

[compact glen]

Oh, my dumb ass was sitting here thinking it could have two DTA rolls on it

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its already perfect

[sleek wind]

so the last time i was playing i think i was doing something focusing on st elmos from the gear i've got is that still a good gun to be running?

[compact glen]

Yessir

[hazy steeple]

@sleek wind It's a solid "just get it and its fine" weapon, but there are better meta options.

[sleek wind]

I'll live with just fine for now, just figuring out how the game works, again

[compact glen]

shut

[flint arch]

even a police m4 will outperform it by virtue of having a damage talent

[compact glen]

Don't disrespect my St. Elmo's like that

[sleek wind]

i've got bigger things to worry about before i get disgustingly meta

[hazy steeple]

what corr' said. It's absolutely fine for what it is, and will snap into a lot of builds.
but if you're going for meta, it's not the peak of the mountain.

[flint arch]

the main advantages of Elmos is 70 round mag, faster reload than a HE AR with 50 mag size, and the occasional taser

It's a comfy weapon, I use it all the time too, but it's not the best

[hazy steeple]

The default high crit stats are nice too, let's me put more in WH.

[compact glen]

God, what was that one exotic Hyena P90 that everyone was going ballistic for, trying to farm back before any of the DLCs were a thing

[sleek wind]

that's all i was wondering, don't want this to devolve into a gun argument XD

[hazy steeple]

No argument had, just a discussion on advice about builds :p

There might be a channel for that!

[finite valve]

New player here! Quick question, I have 4 big alejandro lmgs, what should i do for the rest of them? (same with dup exotics, been keeping every single one)

[haughty jasper]

is there a certain activity that can drop Equalizer more? or do i just keep grinding with targeted loot in Summit or another activity?

[subtle bluff]

no

[flint arch]

Typically you keep one copy so you can reroll the stats of the other. If you're a real sweat, you keep more copies for your other 3 characters (they share the same stash so you can share equipment between them). Otherwise, dismantle them for exo components

[buoyant perch]

Countdown and retaliation give more loot/hour

[subtle bluff]

You're looking for one with CHC.

[hazy steeple]

@haughty jasper Just to confirm, are you targeting the brand or "chest"? It should be brand,.

[haughty jasper]

good to know, i'm still fairly new so i'm learning good loot grinding rn

[haughty jasper]

i'm targeting brand

[buoyant perch]

start with countdown challenging

[flint arch]

Ha, ha ha haha, very funny Rivens

[gentle lichen]

oh i was gonna make a joke

[lone violet]

Can’t wait to start farming for on going directive set

[hazy steeple]

It's not up to my usual pun standard, I'll try later.

[haughty jasper]

ty for the help, it should be the last piece i need for my build

[hazy steeple]

GL Agent, go murder some people at a powerplant!

[gentle lichen]

and follow the team pretty please

[lone violet]

Idk if I wanna run a ar im getting bored of using a lmg

[subtle bluff]

run whatever you want

[hazy steeple]

The buffs listed on gear for specific gun types are less powerful than you think, so don't feel too locked to one weapon type.
As long as it makes sense for your setup, you'll do okay.

[compact glen]

@hexed steppe What would you say is the ideal method for farming each piece of gear in your mortar build?

Just keep running CD?

[lone violet]

One question tho do I want to go all red for on going gear?

[flint arch]

if you want to do damage, you run full red

[timid token]

Heheheheh my new build heheheh

[flint arch]

you could sacrifice some damage for blues, but that's for if you want to run a shield. OD prefers LMGs due to their mag size, which means you can't run a shield, therefore blue cores are not going to help a lot

[lone violet]

Think imma run a ar tbh there’s no exotic ar that catches my eye at the moment

[flint arch]

Exotics/Named items are not always the best option in every build

[lone violet]

I see so just regular weapons then

[flint arch]

Though for OD, Carnage LMG would work well thanks to Perfect Sadist, though stuff like Iron Lung (an exotic) would also work

If you want to run an AR, any with Sadist would work, but it's more dangerous (easier to run out of hollow-point ammo) due to their smaller mag size

[lone violet]

As much as I like lmg I’m tired of the enemies being suppressed

[flint arch]

Also, if you're going to run an AR, do not run St. Elmo's

[smoky latch]

Pick rifles over ARs for OD

[timid token]

…

[flint arch]

That's for a different build

St. Elmo's is a good option for most DPS builds that demand fast-firing weapons

[timid token]

Have me worried there hahahah

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung.

[flint arch]

The shock rounds will override your hollow-point ammo, so it will make running OD kinda pointless

[lone violet]

Same funny eclipse build and vile mask does wonders

[subtle bluff]

noppe

[uneven prism]

you're the goat. just joined n scrolled up and saw you make guides for builds. gunna try them all out

[subtle bluff]

Iron Lung is bad for EP.

[lone violet]

So use iron Lung with OD?

[subtle bluff]

Striker and TS

There's a full guide for how OD is used.

[flint arch]

Ongoing Directive guide

[lone violet]

I’m going to look at it on my computer in a bit

[timid token]

Is caretaker new meta now ?

[smoky latch]

Where did you get that from?

[timid token]

Uhhhhh yt

[smoky latch]

It's not...

[timid token]

I should probably stay away from it …

[lone violet]

What gun is good for EP?

[flint arch]

instant trash can

[smoky latch]

It's not trash but it's not ideal as other ARs are

[subtle bluff]

Capa, Scorpio, pyromaniac, anything with in-sync and future prefect can be used too

[lone violet]

I just got the Scorpio out of the exotic chest

[uneven nest]

I’m struggling with mid max or not…

Right now I’ve sacrificed a lot of armor and health for dmg stack… but idk.. I don’t really plan on PvP but I still want to melt

[smoky latch]

You don't "sacrifice" armor, you just gain DPS 😉

[subtle bluff]

Stacks don't effect your Armor/HP...

[uneven nest]

I meant just like increase dmg in a multitude of ways. Wrong word considering

[smoky latch]

PvP builds are fundamentally different from PvE builds anyway

[lone violet]

Well I play on heroic but that looks fun I forgot that what specialty does

[subtle bluff]

I have a clip some where doing it on heroic.. I haven't updated EP clips

[lone violet]

Hmm ok but as of now I’m trying to get a OD going I got overdo gloves as a place holder until I can get tinker mask at some point

I blame YT for this iron lung EP build

[uneven nest]

Kind of why I want to stay away from it because I KNOW I don’t know what a PvP consists of and even though I’m doing ok with my build I know I’m going to get smelted and hate it

[smoky latch]

You need to farm your PvP builds in PvE anyway, so make sure you have at least one solid DPS build to be able to do that smoothly

[uneven nest]

But I’m doing a chameleon build that’s absolutely shredding

[flint arch]

I smell yt build material

[uneven nest]

Nope. Not even looking at YT

[subtle bluff]

Yup.. Those people are dumb...

[uneven nest]

I’ve just got back to division 2 today and have asked all my questions here so far. I hate following others “tech” or the meta. Usually my downfall in most MP games

But I enjoy myself

[subtle bluff]

when you say meta do you mean the abbreviated of it or the current most used thing?

[uneven nest]

Yea current used stuff

[lone violet]

I’m thinking of doing this
Getting 4 piece of OD
Over dog gloves
Wicked backpack and using iron lung

[uneven nest]

I really like messing with what peaked my interest. My mindset is not conducive to fighting games either lol

[lone violet]

Issue is I need armor on kill or smth

[subtle bluff]

TBH there isn't really is a current popular thing since the community is so divided.
Depending where you go there a diffrent stuff being used in different placees.

[smoky latch]

Gunner spec gives you 10% AoK

[subtle bluff]

Sadist weapon..

[uneven nest]

I got you. So basically do what I want lol

[lone violet]

Think I can craft some lmgs

[hexed steppe]

Yup, same way as farming anything else. They wont be locked to any content.

With the grupo unicorns you may need to save less than ideal rolls and optimize because they are rare pieces. You can fill those with a second hanna for the 10% skill damage and a wyvern piece for 8% skill damage(iirc) till you get 2x grupo unicorns

[subtle bluff]

I mean when we give "meta" builds is again abbreviated mean of it.

[lone violet]

Like DZ meta?

[subtle bluff]

Almost any weapon with the talent Sadist.

[uneven nest]

Yea I was ultimately referring to DZ meta

[lone violet]

Bet then I’m gonna test out with some ars and some lmgs and see which one I like better

[uneven nest]

Because that’s where it really matters

[smoky latch]

Most people in DZ run meta builds

[lone violet]

But feels like I’m missing out cause I don’t have tinker mask

[subtle bluff]

You're OP is missing that context...

Do you know what the abbreviated of meta is?

[uneven nest]

Yes but I just assumed I guess

[hexed steppe]

Thank you. If its on my profile sheet or in the main sheet as a guide, then its a build i use myself

[uneven nest]

Well anyways. I just meant if I have to follow THE META to enjoy PvP? I’d rather not

[subtle bluff]

meta = most effective tactic available

[smoky latch]

You'd be forced to with how things are atm

[hexed steppe]

I thought it meant:
Made entirely to aggravate

[smoky latch]

lol

[uneven nest]

Figured 🙁

[hexed steppe]

[leaden wraith]

New player here, is there a way for me to get the quickstep pistol in the game rn?

[buoyant perch]

pvp is probably the most meta-driven part of this game, with pve you can screw around with off meta builds and still relatively have a good time

[uneven nest]

I mean at the end of the day right? lol

[smoky latch]

Find someone with a Houndsman bounty they can share with you. Ask here in your platform's LFG channel or join the GCROCK discord to LFG there.

[lone violet]

What skills do people run with OD?

[smoky latch]

Banshee pulse mostly, then whatever else you want/need

[smoky latch]

I think someone linked a guide for you earlier, it shows recommended skills

[lone violet]

Let me get on my pc

[smoky latch]

You can open it on your phone too, it's just a link that'll open in your browser

[flint arch]

Ongoing Directive guide

[lone violet]

Looking at it

[smoky latch]

Sir, you have a lot of discord notifications

[lone violet]

Not important

[smoky latch]

My OCD can't handle :>

[uneven prism]

😂

[haughty jasper]

thanks for advice to farm countdown! i got what i was looking for within 2 runs ❤️

[lone violet]

Can the anarchist cook book not drop with red cores?

[flint arch]

It always drops blue, yes

[worn imp]

Should I go 2 percent over crit cap with a chance mod or just stick with the 111% CHD from the extra CHD mod?

[worn imp]

bro i know about not going over cap

[flint arch]

see the last section

[worn imp]

oh i gotcha nvm

so what 56 x 111?

[flint arch]

yes

[buoyant perch]

vs 60 x (111-12)

[worn imp]

yea

[subtle bluff]

That's the easy way to compare CHC/CHD numbers for which one is better

[worn imp]

just did it, going over cap isnt better

[worn imp]

watchu think of this build chow

btw im running picaros holster here which is better since theres fewer percent of weapon damage compared to crit damage

[subtle bluff]

Is this hybrid Mortar?

My mortar knowledge only ok so hard to say. I just finish building a mortar build not enough gameplay in it.

[worn imp]

Local and i kinda both assume that its worth it to go for the extra skill tier with brazos de arcabuz

cause difference is prolly great enough

[subtle bluff]

I mean I suggest we go Overdogs to local and he's taken.

[worn imp]

wat

[subtle bluff]

Idk about the crit part. IDK about the gameplay and how much you need haste or not.

[worn imp]

you dont need the haste, take it from me 🙂

this is a solo-duo setup

because the hive would get quickly depleted in full squad

[subtle bluff]

I suggest Local and another to try out overdogs. They got more dmg then I said throw brazo for toher skill tier

[worn imp]

wym throw brazo? keep or not keep?

[subtle bluff]

for the other skill teir to keep tier 6

[worn imp]

idk bro apparently Dorky tested overdogs for skill damage amp and it works

[subtle bluff]

Like you're doing it.

[worn imp]

thing is tho.... skill damage is such a saturated stat already

[subtle bluff]

I've known.

You're missing PGC

[worn imp]

I dont like glass. even tho im good enough to play with it, i dont like it

[worn imp]

i have a metric ton of basic skill damage already from every gear piece attribute and from the skill tiers. its probably giving far more diminishing returns than what a grupo's 20% explo damage would do....

idk

[lone violet]

i mean the subcores

[flint arch]

They are weighted to drop with blue attributes

[worn imp]

? whats this

[subtle bluff]

I know how it works..

[flint arch]

Red attributes are possible, but rarer

We call these items "unicorns"

[worn imp]

wym ofc you do

thats not disputed lol

[uneven prism]

jumping back into d2 and learning builds and seeing yall talk is like a foreign language lol

[smoky latch]

There are no "subcores", it's called attributes

[worn imp]

errrrrmm achtuallyyyyyyyy 🤓

[smoky latch]

Don't mention Memento now

Or wdym? 😛

[lone violet]

thats what i mean

[grand girder]

hallelujah

[flint arch]

The talent should be called "Kill Unconfirmed" honestly

[grand girder]

Kill MIA

yeah I wish they were a bit more funny with the april fools stuff

like why can't I put it on and have it be completely useless that way it isn't a OP fomo item

and rather just a fun little goofy item to use for memes n toes

[smoky latch]

If they return those items I will keep one of each

Momento is a must

[terse gull]

i rly hate those weakpoint kill objectives. anyone have a good weakpoint kill build??

[smoky latch]

If it's for the event challenges, don't bother. Waste of time

[subtle bluff]

Riot foam and shoot...

do it on normal and easy work

[smoky latch]

Just play the game and level up. The reward is 4 stars only

By the time you make a build etc. you will have leveled up four times already

[terse gull]

still... :/

[smoky latch]

Up to you, will take a bit because not every NPC has a weak spot

[grand girder]

I hope they update them a little bit, I was hoping they would do NBB but with the opposite effect so it removes 1 tier from brand and gear sets, that way for a 4pc striker you'd have to use 5 xD

[smoky latch]

Lol I wouldn't care, came back from a break last year and missed all that fun

[atomic turtle]

Finally, enough armor to survive 10 seconds of Legendary Heavy or 5 seconds of Legendary Minitank.

[smoky latch]

Accurate

[stark marsh]

hey all, i'm trying to get some clarity on the striker build re: CHC v CHD
i've mostly gotten by reading reddit threads via google searches and I see some people mention that you should be specing for full CHD on your mod slots because you should be close to the 60% cap, but how many assumptions is that making about your expected CHC?

I tried doing full CHD on every slot (4p striker, coyote, equalizer) and noticed I was like <15% chc, so surely i'm missing something, right?

Currently using FAMAS as slot1 since I haven't gotten a St. Elmo's to drop.

[subtle bluff]

Follow this.

[solar sable]

Chow the Genie has spawned

[subtle bluff]

You do not need Elmo

[fair dragon]

I need a St. Almost

[subtle bluff]

O.K. You...

[buoyant perch]

hopefully next month

[stark marsh]

I did see that on the build guide and I've just adjusted CHC v CHD accordingly but I just want to understand if there's like an implicit expectation that coyote's is filling part of that 60% cap and so you're only actually gearing, say, ~30%

[buoyant perch]

no we gear for roughly 50%

ideally, coyote mid buff would be active filling that last 10%

[subtle bluff]

30% CHC?

[solar sable]

its just a speculation mr sir chow

dude is new so he's throwing stuff at the air to try and understand

[stark marsh]

gotcha. so are all your minor attributes CHC to reach that 50% (say, on holster/hands/knees)?

[subtle bluff]

Coyote mid buff is the normal engagement distance you should be having so it's only +10 CHC so we build around that idea.

[atomic turtle]

If you're running Coyote's then the expectation is that you'll be using it within 0-25 meters. 30% CHC is too small to make any use of even with Coyote's. And for Sniper builds, there's better items to slot into a mask than Coyote's, making that extra 25% CHC kind of pointless. Not that Sniper builds even use Crit as far as I'm aware.

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't matter where you put the Crit attributes.

[buoyant perch]

and watch and ceska if equipped

[subtle bluff]

CHC can come from a lot of place it doesn't matter where it comes from.

example

[true oak]

hi guys i need some help . to unlock those materials do i need to do specific control point or its random control points ?

[atomic turtle]

You can gear for close to 60% CHC if you plan to use it for the full effect of +25% CHD. But there's usually better ways to deal damage than with an extra 25% CHD. Like having Sacrifice + Overdogs, so I still wouldn't really recommend it.

[subtle bluff]

RNG on CP.

[true oak]

k thx

[stark marsh]

yea I understand that. I just wanted to get a better idea of what the presumptions were when gearing up. like I'm just barely at SHD65 so I definitely don't have the 10% on CHC yet. I need to farm up a ceska body for that extra 8, and those two changes alone would throw me up to 49% at my current spec.

[atomic turtle]

If you can hit 50% minimum you're fine for most things.

[true oak]

to do CP with random people do i need to matchmake for open world exploration or random activity ?

[atomic turtle]

I would just take the L and use a CHC gear mod here or there and replace with CHD mods as you improve your gear and SHD Level.

[fair dragon]

open world. random activity means you'll get into 1 of the 11 activities

[true oak]

ok thank you

[stark marsh]

I'll have to tinker the 3 slots i mentioned earlier to chc and probably end up close enough

[flint arch]

neither, call for backup

[steep shadow]

how do I increase survivability? I often die when the enemy keeps on shooting me and none of the items provide any passive/active healing

[smoky latch]

Well, first of all you would need to deal more damage...

[atomic turtle]

First, ditch the armor cores, those are useless unless you're using a shield.

Secondly, the idea for DPS survivability is to kill everything faster than it kills you.

[hazy steeple]

Div2 works as a kind of "tactical shooter", so if you try and tank even with a full set of blue cores, you're going to get turned into swiss-cheese.

[atomic turtle]

You'll last all of 10 seconds out of cover with multiple Heroic enemies targeting you, and even less on Legendary. Armor cores are effectively useless without a shield.

[steep shadow]

i see, should I use all red then?

[hazy steeple]

Try lowering your amount of blues over time, eventually you'll be at all red though in most builds.

[atomic turtle]

Yes. All Red kills enemies fast enough that you usually don't have to worry about dying.

[steep shadow]

which specialization has armour on kills?

[atomic turtle]

Gunner.

[smoky latch]

Gunner - 10% AoK

[hazy steeple]

Learning where enemies spawn from and how to work around cover will come with time, there's no reason to rush through div2. It's not going anywhere.

[atomic turtle]

I would recommend just going all Red right off the bat. Having an additional blue core here or there isn't going to change anything. Plus you'll have the full experience along with the learning curve associated with it. Adjusting blue cores is more for shield builds. In that case, what Rivens said makes sense.

I personally wouldn't use the sticky bomb tho. With no Skill Tier, that thing has a massive cooldown.

I would use the Riot Foam instead or shock trap. Decoy also works wonders and Jammer pulse has its moments. You'd get more value out of any of these skills than Sticky Bomb, except maybe the EMP sticky.

[neon zealot]

guess i have a serious skill issue

[neon zealot]

what gearset is this even?

[hazy steeple]

Seriously, don't worry about it yet. You're still learning, just keep going and you'll get there.
Everyone started out like this.

[frozen hull]

Man I accidentally broke down my lvl 30 Lexington 🙁 luckily I had a back up one but damn leveling it to 30 again hurt when I have other weapons I wanna level up

[hazy steeple]

@frozen hull I have some bad news, Agent, if that's a Lvl 30 Lexington.

[frozen hull]

Why’s that ?

[old cypress]

hello im looking for a assault rifle build for solo player, any suggestion?

[frozen hull]

Don’t tell me.i shouldn’t be leveling up my Lexi

That’s my ar I use for most my builds

[flint arch]

anything below level 40 is worthless

[frozen hull]

Oh I meant .. lol no I’m level 40 I meant expertise level 30

[smoky latch]

I'm sure he meant Expertise level 30 lol

[flint arch]

Oh lol

[frozen hull]

Lol exactly

[flint arch]

Well that hurts

[frozen hull]

I know i had it saved to favorites I dunno how it got out of there I was so sad

[smoky latch]

Rip

[flint arch]

I feel like the devs should've given Lexington the Stack Broker treatment

As in you can't deconstruct it, ever

[frozen hull]

Yeah I woulda liked that … also it was the one I got when they released it I know I have the same gun ahha but I liked that it was my original

[smoky latch]

Neither should have it. It would have made sense it if was really a unique hand-out. But adding it to an event loot pool without removing that safe guard is just... IDK

Appears to be not thought-through

[flint arch]

[frozen hull]

The stack broker lexi and quick step

I’d like all three to be where you can’t break them down

[smoky latch]

Nah you can farm for them once an event is up. That changes things IMO

I really wanna get rid of at least seven Stack Brokers....

[atomic turtle]

Have they fixed the issue with the Stack Broker not being recalibratable?

Nope, they haven't lmao.

[pulsar burrow]

So what's the mantis + hot shot build look like?

[pulsar burrow]

Interesting. Only 3 piece hot shot? Also I don't got overdogs. T_T

[solar sable]

can use 4pc if u dont have them

[flint arch]

hotshot and breaking point are unique in that at times their 3pc and 2pc effect respectively can be more useful than their actual 4pc effect

[pulsar burrow]

icic

Why is it better at 3?

[flint arch]

usually no other gear set is like this, either you do 4pc or don't use them at all

[solar sable]

overdogs outdmg 4pc

[flint arch]

though at least 4pc hotshot has utility (like auto-reloading if you hit headshots consistently), i haven't seen a single build use 4pc breaking point

[pulsar burrow]

Well time to pray I get Overdogs to drop. Unless you can only get them from a unique event.

[buoyant mulch]

ive gotten them to drop from an exotic cache i believe

[flint arch]

overdogs can come from gloves TL or the blueprint from Hyena retal on completion

[buoyant mulch]

really? i got mine super randomly i forgot where i got them from

[flint arch]

just note that as of now, you can't get the reconfig blueprint, it's a bug

[pulsar burrow]

What's Hyena retal? And what do you mean by gloves TL? ((Sorry super new))

[flint arch]

the cache gives you exotics from the general exotic loot pool

[flint arch]

retaliation is a gamemode, you can see it in the map
TL = targeted loot

[solar sable]

-# pssst, refer to the guide

[flint arch]

-# i was actually debating with myself on whether to link it

Level 40 starter guide

[pulsar burrow]

Cool cool ty. I've had retaliation trigger a few times, but am unsure what to do in that area lol.

[buoyant mulch]

ive been wondering what basic build i should run for most hard difficulty stuff because when it boils down to it i feel quite ineffective, unless it's meant to be that way

[solar sable]

never hesitate to do so 😠

[flint arch]

can't go wrong with standard striker

[flint arch]

[grand girder]

meta will work the best for you but it can't aim and shoot for you, skill plays a part no matter what

[buoyant mulch]

i have the ninja bag which good lord that's an insane gear piece, and a bunch of set pieces that just increase damage in various weapon types (and a bit more damage generally)

[flint arch]

NBB

🤢

[solar sable]

no, it isn't

[smoky latch]

Yeah go NBB w/ True Patriot and FB 🫠

[solar sable]

try memento, it's 2000% better than NBB

[buoyant mulch]

i have memento!!

[flint arch]

from the level 40 guide

[smoky latch]

Striker's with Memento is nice for damage and survivability

[buoyant mulch]

now i need the other armor pieces in check, i tried grinding the uhhhh i already forgot what its called

[subtle bluff]

🧐

😶

[buoyant mulch]

ah here, i tried grinding the summit and getting a bunch of brands and seeing their bonuses but i came to realize i didn't know which i like or would want to go for

[solar sable]

that's such a good image

[flint arch]

I like how there's only one "yes" and it's for something really specific

[pulsar burrow]

Second striker. Just did countdown with it as the targetted loot til I got a decent set. Running it with Equalizer and Coyote's mask.

[solar sable]

"PvP? Yes. Maybe"

[flint arch]

It's otherwise either "Maybe", "No", or "Memento"

and "I don't believe you"

[subtle bluff]

Me and Dien thought of doing one for DMG builds... effort..

[solar sable]

oof... that will require at least 290834723984 bussiness days

[pulsar burrow]

3 exotic caches. Iron Lung, Diamondback, and NBB. T_T

[solar sable]

-# (i almost broke a key typing that)

[flint arch]

if every week went by the following then it would be accurate:
Sunday Sunday Sunday Sunday Sunday Sunday Saturday

[grand girder]

good, good, exo comp

[buoyant mulch]

second striker? i can't see that as a gear set

[pulsar burrow]

Like I also say striker is a good set.

Diamondback rolled with pretty good stats I think?

[flint arch]

bricked, gonna need DTTOC

also CHC is redundant on Diamondback, its talent guarantees crits

[pulsar burrow]

That's rad.

[flint arch]

its niche and situational

you need to kill a randomly marked enemy to guarantee crits for i think 10 seconds

[pulsar burrow]

Just kill them ez

[frigid cedar]

Can some one help am new trying to get to level 40

[flint arch]

you asked the same question in #ask-td2-community

[smoky latch]

#lfg-playstation

If you can't find anyone via #lfg-playstation join the GCROCK discord. Biggest LFG community

[stark marsh]

potentially stupid question; the movement speed sidearm is event only? not in the gen loot pool?

[smoky latch]

No but you can ask for someone who has the Houndsman bounty to share with you

The mini warhounds in that bounty can drop it. Otherwise event only

[subtle bluff]

TheDivision and GCrock

The community/TheDivision has been popping off.

[smoky latch]

Community server you mean?

Aye, gotcha

[subtle bluff]

Reddit Community server ya

[smoky latch]

You carried many ppl there? 😄

[subtle bluff]

The invite is .gg/TheDivision

[smoky latch]

I get you

[subtle bluff]

Enough.......

[buoyant mulch]

hey i got a bullet king that's pretty cool

[flint arch]

it's a meh LMG

[atomic turtle]

It's great that you never have to reload, but it's a gimmick more than anything. Some LMGs can reload so fast with the right set up that it's negligible anyway.

[smoky latch]

Can use it with Tipping Scales, it's not bad with that set

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, but wouldn't any other LMG with the same set outperform BK just as much?

[buoyant mulch]

ive got a handful of exotics but i never really knew what i should be running with, now that i'm thinking on making a proper build i'm noticing how complicated its gonna be

[pulsar burrow]

It's not as bad as you think luckily.

I got a pretty decent build in about a day.

[flint arch]

1 challenging countdown run with TL set to Striker will get you like 60% of the way there honestly

[atomic turtle]

Exotics have roles they can perform overwhelmingly in but it really depends on the situation and the build. But there are also quite a few that are very underwhelming to use, like Sacrum Imperium or Overload.

[flint arch]

*Overlord

[buoyant mulch]

i got doctor home, it looked interesting but i was a little intimidated to use it

[atomic turtle]

Overload of boredom tbh.

Doctor Home is ok, it's basically just 10% HoK but for the entire group.

Problem is that if someone yoinks the kill the talent is never activated. And if no one is taking much damage, it's pointless anyway.

[buoyant kraken]

Wouldn't it be better to run survivalist here since you use it with a team?

[smoky latch]

Works

[subtle bluff]

If you keep going down there's a support version down there.

[buoyant kraken]

Not that im going down. I just feel like you run this type of build in a team with survivalist so that they can benefit from more damage etc. or am I wrong?

[subtle bluff]

I meant in the guide if you scroll down more you'll find other stuff

[rocky igloo]

what gear has damage to elites in the division 2 ?

[smoky latch]

That stat doesn't exist here

[rocky igloo]

did they remove it

i need a build that kills mobs fast

[smoky latch]

Striker's 😄

Should be familiar to you

[rocky igloo]

yea on div 1

can u post a build or

[smoky latch]

One sec

[flint arch]

It used to exist, but it was removed when the game moved to gear 2.0

[smoky latch]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lIa85JQ4JsipRUTfFO6NtS7IkMSNp7Ws
Several variants

The one with Equalizer and Overdogs is one of the best general builds

[uneven nest]

Just play bro. It’s fun

[lunar zephyr]

is the smg good? I rolled it very nice. my current smg only has dtoc maxed and the other at like half. Would change until i find better

[uneven nest]

No idea what I’m doing really, but low RPM = not actually good. Name of the game is putting dmg down fast it seems

High dmg low RPM probably “sucks” sometimes unless you crunch some numbers… which I will not do… I will just look for without a doubt good lol

[lunar zephyr]

yea thought so.... i guess i will play it until i have the smg-9 with better attributes tho cant be this shit xd

[uneven nest]

Main reason I’m using the chameleon. High RPM

[uneven nest]

Good luck brother 🤝

[lunar zephyr]

fair, but im playing smg/shotgun so chameleon no option :D

[uneven nest]

AGAIN! Don’t take my word. Someone might come back and say I’m an idiot. Stash it for now

[lunar zephyr]

yea ik, but ill just try everything someone says and make my own opinion

[rigid bronze]

None exotic smg you want the vector sbr 45

[lunar zephyr]

yea i heared vector or converted smg9

[smoky latch]

It's decent. There's a named version of it called The Apartment with Perfectly Measured

[lunar zephyr]

but couldnt get good rolls for now on them

[uneven nest]

Just have to keep trying. Kind of where I’m at with gear… just have to keep going till you get the stats you NEED/recalibration it would seem.

I guess you want to get dmg enough and rounds fast enough till you essentially turn the game into a “normal” shooter. You’re essentially trying to turn a RPG shooter into a normal shooter lol which for some reason is very amusing to me

[buoyant mulch]

update on this striker build im trying now.. it does REALLY good damage compared to what i was running before but oh my lord i feel so fragile

[lunar zephyr]

yea thats what i am doing. need memento but just get this shit ninja backpack exotic for like the 10000 time

[uneven nest]

Bro… I asked about that earlier today… not to make you mad… I didn’t even know about “countdown” got it in my first run lol

[lunar zephyr]

legit last round 3x ninja dropped how stupid

[flint arch]

gotta learn how to position well
protip: prioritize hiding behind tall cover, you expose yourself way less

[buoyant mulch]

i miss my 1m armor so i could tank at least a little bit

[flint arch]

you can also shift around a little bit in some forms of tall cover to expose yourself even less while still being able to shoot the enemy

this is me in a legendary stronghold, the default position of this tall cover would leave me a lot more exposed, but you can shift yourself to the left so that most of your body is behind a wall

there's a more advanced version of this that works better, but for now I think this is enough

[uneven nest]

But oddly enough I’m not running it at the moment because, it’s useless in countdown unless you’re the main dps dealer… memento runs off kills and as it pains me to say, I’m not getting many of the final hits on countdown. I’m basically just dmg support currently. So I’m running a striker at the moment while I hunt

[buoyant mulch]

looks like it'll take some getting used to, i won't deviate and add armor to any of the pieces that i can so that i don't ruin the build in any shape

[flint arch]

You could add some (but not too many) blue cores and you won't lose too much damage I guess, you will have to run a shield to actually make use of those blue cores, but I suggest that you run full red full-time to learn how to position

[lunar zephyr]

understandable

[flint arch]

You could also try using The Sacrifice chest (Perfect Glass Cannon), it will DEMAND you to learn how to position

[uneven nest]

So when you guys say run a shield. You mean the skill? All those armor stats are really for the shield?

[buoyant mulch]

i can add one blue to my mask as that's the only one i did not have to change to make the stats line up

otherwise, the one countdown run got me set up, i'm just missing a unit alloy chest piece and the guns

im running some substitutes for now but from quick testing the damage feels like night and day

[uneven nest]

Ugh so many questions… I’m about to be hooked on this… I saw someone earlier who said “can finally survive 5 secs from an elite tank” and his armor was up there! It def makes me feel like you go armor or dmg. You get smelted regardless

[flint arch]

Going full blue will let you survive... maybe 5 more seconds when facetanking in Legendary

[buoyant mulch]

i never went FULL armor, although it was tempting to be a tank, i just want some decent/above average damage with the ability to tank more than one shot before i die

[strong cave]

That's because idiots try to "tank" enemies when you're not designed to be shot and live to tell the tale

[buoyant mulch]

he's the group's bodybag

[strong cave]

Facts 💯

[buoyant mulch]

he plays the distraction role of the striker drone, only its his agent

[flint arch]

but unlike the striker drone, they increase group scaling, so you have a harder time killing people

[uneven nest]

Hmm so maybe I’ll just ditch the armor building all together and just go extremely hard with dmg. See what I can cook up

[strong cave]

I just back out if a group is causing me so much dead weight

[buoyant mulch]

honestly if you want to make an armor build save it as a loadout, maybe it'll be fun to just run in normal difficulty stuff

[strong cave]

There's a big problem if I can clear content quicker as a solo

[strong cave]

Depends on what you were cooking honestly. I have experience in running actually decent armor builds

[flint arch]

I like how my first Legendary experience was me carrying two dudes, one of them using an FB tank that didn't help at all

[uneven nest]

5 secs with a tank is nothing when it’s a tank and a ton of other enemies are shooting at you and connecting I feel lol

[strong cave]

Yeah if he wasn't using the car door mosquito pistol build he wasn't doing it properly

[buoyant mulch]

there's no point in being a tank if you're dead

[flint arch]

To be fair they at least didn't die once

[buoyant mulch]

there's no point in being a tank if you're not doing anything meaningful with it

[strong cave]

A tank is only as good as the aggro it can pull and the Regen it has and crowd control it can do

[flint arch]

Better than most average tank users I guess

But still pretty useless, they thought they could draw aggro, but I got hit a lot of times

[strong cave]

I do have a really good tank build that works flawlessly for nearly all content if played properly

[flint arch]

And I was using PVGC Striker, so it really hurt

[uneven nest]

Hmm so optimal would be a pure tank healer with team buffs?

[flint arch]

3 DPS and 1 eclipse foam user is ideal in legendary

[strong cave]

In my case, going vanguard and galvanized with Scorpio shotgun is a very powerful combo

[buoyant mulch]

ive done some really dumb stuff with the bulwark shield even in higher difficulties, there's this like, instinct to pop the shield and just run in with the pistol

[strong cave]

You're sharing near 2m armor every 30s on demand

[uneven nest]

We’re learning. We’re learning…

[flint arch]

Honestly I'm curious to see what a good tank user looks like in gameplay

[strong cave]

Just be aware, you're not meant to be fully killing shit with the build. You're meant to crowd control and keep the talents proc'd

[flint arch]

3 DPS in the back and 1 tank

[strong cave]

Give @astral kraken an ask. He's played numerous Legendary runs with me and majority of them were scuffed builds. That Vanguard/Galvanized run was so smooth not a single one of us went down I think. Mainly due to the bonus armor

[flint arch]

I actually recall seeing the video, I think it was in Capitol Building

[uneven nest]

If I build a tank it will def be to use those 5 secs to stay alive, aggro as you say, and heal… might as well make a lot of your skills or talents (forgive me. Ignorant here) beneficial to the team. I’m honestly not sure how much sacrifice dmg wise it is going blue… I would imagine it’s reversed because how dumb would it be to make an all blue and you’ll die anyway. So I assume an all blue build still puts down good dmg?

[strong cave]

You'll have to see the build to understand how it works. It looks dumb on paper but it just works

[strong cave]

DUA and Capital I think

[flint arch]

Found this video

[strong cave]

Nah not me. Totally different from me. But he is right. Being a tank and playing aggro is key

[raw forge]

hello guys. I have been on the hunt for a good high end AR for support builds and what not. is this invisible hand a good option?

[hazy steeple]

The issue with playing "aggro" in div2, is that the game doesn't really have a dedicated Aggro system, they'll just shoot anyone.

[buoyant mulch]

those armor bars scare the life out of me

[uneven nest]

Wait…. He’s still putting down CRAZY damage… so I’m right… wth is going on UGH…

[strong cave]

That Elmo's will give you way better usage

[hazy steeple]

@uneven nest If the GE is on, it's basically a porta-nuke.

[grand girder]

also backfire

[flint arch]

I noticed that instead of running Bulwark shield or something like most tank users I see, they're running up to the enemy and landing Scorpio shots, which apply a variety of status effects, including Shock

[strong cave]

Depends on how you play it. Nearly all enemies will not ignore a big mean agent with a giant shield and a shotgun shooting them at point blank range dealing status effects to them

[uneven nest]

Look for something with high RPM thr high dmg is juking you

[strong cave]

Yup that's how most of the aggro works

And that's the key to my build too. Confusion/Shock

[uneven nest]

Sorry. I don’t understand

[raw forge]

I know, but in raids and stuff I cant really use elmo's due to mechs or on some builds I use scorpio for support but still need decent primary to killa ds

[flint arch]

The damage numbers is not from the tank

[strong cave]

Just swap off the gun before shock ammo meter fills and swap back

[uneven nest]

Oh

[hazy steeple]

@uneven nest The current Global Event, gives an absolutely comical damage boost to enemies that are close-by. It makes them feel like Normal difficulty even on Heroic.

[raw forge]

I was told in places like iron horse 2nd enc you cant shoot mechs with any exotic at all

[subtle bluff]

mechs?

[flint arch]

I feel like I need a Scorpio with reload speed

[strong cave]

They tell you that so people don't think "ah can't use elmos, let's use Scorpio instead" and f--- it up worse

[strong cave]

Mechanics

[uneven nest]

Ah ok I see

[hazy steeple]

That's not a term we use in div2.

[strong cave]

Yeah that's the abysmal part about the shotguns they changed that I don't like

[hazy steeple]

"hounds" is the usual go-to for the robot dogs, mini-tanks if it's the roller ones, stuff like that.
"mechs" is a bit too broad.

[uneven nest]

Also @flint arch I see the tank now. Watching that makes me def want to go dmg, but I respect him for being an actual tank and holding the front line. My brain is fighting me and saying I can be both, but I know that’s not true

[hazy steeple]

It's worth giving specific names to each, as they all have their own weakpoints and faster ways to kill them.

[strong cave]

Oh I thought he meant like ACTUAL game mechanics. Those I would consider robotics

[raw forge]

by mechanics I mean actual encounter mechanics in raids or incursions

[uneven nest]

Well you can, but I feel like the sacrifice isn’t worth either direction. Just go big or go home either way

[hazy steeple]

Never heard that one used either, it's best to just use the full word if you're new, until you learn the more commonly understood slang.

[rigid bronze]

Any of you guys know why I cant drop the tinkerer mask even though ive completed the master mission like 5 times

[uneven nest]

So what does a health and armor number look like on average when you go red cores? Just so I can plant that seed in my head now… my brain will actively spread doubt at record pace

[hazy steeple]

@rigid bronze It's only a 100% drop on the first run through of Master for that particular character, after that it's a % chance.

Just make sure you're doing the correct mission too.

[strong cave]

About 768k armor total with about 200k health, 300k maybe. Which health is a dead stat

[rigid bronze]

I’ve never had it. Its the manager mission right? It must be bugged for me or something.

[flint arch]

The value of the armor you have also varies depending on whether you're running GC/PGC

[strong cave]

With PGC I just pretend I'm wearing 60% less armor than I see

[grand girder]

I just pretend I'm running pgc all the time

[flint arch]

You run PGC, you become wet tissue paper, but honestly at Legendary, even if you run Obliterate you're wet tissue paper lol

[strong cave]

Exodus has become my new crutch

[uneven nest]

WHAT?… that has to be from SHD Tech points? Right? Please say right… because I’m currently 5 and I have no where near that… please tell me I’m just missing out SHD point adds

[strong cave]

It's probably because you're only Level 5

[uneven nest]

Whew…

[flint arch]

SHD points will give you a grand total of... 1 block of armor on your screen

[smoky latch]

But did you run it on master difficulty?

[strong cave]

Majority of us have played through the game and are at the Endgame part. You'll make it there at some point

[uneven nest]

Ok so maybe I need to look up what I need to do… because right now I’m ACTUALLY just glass no canon lmao

[strong cave]

Judging by how they're saying it refuses to drop, 99.99% sure they never did play it on master

[buoyant mulch]

im currently 686.7k armor with full red and it frightens me

[flint arch]

The first image is the amount of armor at SHD 1000, and the second is the amount of armor way before that
It's just 1 segment worth of armor really, nothing substantial

[strong cave]

So to be clear, you are Level 5?

[rigid bronze]

Yes

[buoyant perch]

comparing length now, are we?

[uneven nest]

That’s what I’m saying dude! Hold on I think I’m exaggerating. See… record pace doubt

[buoyant mulch]

ive been told i can get a blue if i want, but for now i'll deal and learn how to position better

[steep shadow]

anyone here has a good shroud build?

[rigid bronze]

Bro I’m 4k shd with 4000 hours not some new guy I know how to change the difficulty of a mission. I wouldn’t be asking otherwise I’d have the mask.

[uneven nest]

Uh actually Nevermind.. 5 cores and I’m at 867 armor and 289k health… so maybe I’m not too bad

[smoky latch]

You can run it again on another character and see what happens

[strong cave]

You'd be surprised how many people blow through here and overlook that detail

Hence why I said 99.99%, not 100%

SHD and playtime doesn't matter either. Anyone can play a game for as many hours as they want and still be clueless and have loads of levels. I'm at nearly 20k SHD and nearing 2k hours lmao

[uneven nest]

I think you should do that. Just learn how to not die better… you’re doing yourself a disservice with that 1 blue. It’s really doing nothing it seems

In the grand scheme of things…

[flint arch]

I feel like someone should make a document advocating new players to go full red

[rigid bronze]

I was reading online an it said theirs maybe a status effect bug where if you kill the boss with a status it doesn’t count as a kill or some shit but that was like 6 month ago when it first came out. I dont know I’ve done it on master multiple times just never get it.

[strong cave]

So you mean iKia?

[rigid bronze]

Yeah well double xp weeks didn’t exist when I last played or I’d be up there too

[uneven nest]

Took me all of half a day being in here and doing test runs… I’m sold. Lots of stress just fell off too… the mental gymnastics I was doing trying to formulate a mid max was taking years off my life

[strong cave]

Double XP didn't exist the last few months and years I played too lol

[smoky latch]

That was fixed at some point. Try on another character

[rigid bronze]

I only have 1, guess I’ll have to do without it

[uneven nest]

AND I havent a clue what I’m doing and it seemed weird… but I knew something was up when I built my armor to about 1.6 earlier and still got smelted

[grand girder]

loadout, send to stash, boost to 40 play 10 min intro thingy grab loadout and run it back

[strong cave]

^ this. Dead easy to do

[cerulean smelt]

i love this video Kestrel made for us concerning tank builds

[strong cave]

At 4K SHD all of us would think you'd have 4 characters by now with those 4k hours

[uneven nest]

So full reds and gitgud it is 🤝

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message

[raw forge]

yup did this earlier today to have another chance at raid exotics and ended up getting ravenous

[strong cave]

Pretty damn much 💯 up to 2 blues is okay depending on the build

[strong cave]

I got a build for ravenous if you need one

[raw forge]

need to do my DH for this week and see if EB drops as well

[raw forge]

if you have the one people use with it on razorback that would be great

i was told it shreds rb

[strong cave]

Oh, no, not that one. I don't do speedrunning tactics like that

[grand girder]

4pc striker foxs and dch

[strong cave]

Ask the speedrunners that one. They'll probably share it

[prime steppe]

does anyone have a good striker tank build if so dm me a pic

[strong cave]

There's your answer then

[raw forge]

👍

[strong cave]

Btw my girly got sys corr. She's even got it down to 1 blue. She's ready for her first ever dark hours and first ever world clear of dh with sys corr. I checked the damage. It's plenty doable

I managed to get mine down to 1 blue too

[uneven nest]

But we’re learning…

[strong cave]

Would only use something like that for solo. As for being a full on tank, wouldn't bother going that route unless using Memento

[uneven nest]

Listen to him^

[strong cave]

You can take blues on your striker pieces, just depends on how you build it and IF you'll be playing in a group

[raw forge]

youre thinking too much. just play 6 red striker and git gud should be plenty good for most content

[strong cave]

I love me moist content

[uneven nest]

Trust me I’m dead set on it but I’m trying to understand also… I hate having dumb knowledge

[smoky latch]

Best typo in a long time

[strong cave]

Division 2 is one of those games that has a STEEP learning curve but once you get the gist of how the game works, it's easy to memorize

[raw forge]

'will come with time. play with good players ask dumb questions, overtime youll know what you need to know