td2-build-advice

[sharp gust]

One must pray the RNGesus for the dry season to be over

[cerulean smelt]

Stretch goal is popular because you can get, raid exotics, incursion exotics, but most importantly the lexington, probably quickstep now as well

[junior lagoon]

Winter event percentages were way way higher

[sharp gust]

Poor agents just getting dr home 100 times in a row

[junior lagoon]

I did not get anything from stretch event even though i maxed it

I think i got a nijnja bile kneepad or sth like that

[cerulean smelt]

doubt you maxed it as i don't think there's a max for it. think people were in there hundreds for something and never gotten what they wanted

[junior lagoon]

Maxed the extra xp part where they give you an exotic cache

[solar berry]

I did 50+ no lex 😭

[junior lagoon]

Opened like 15 prestige cache

[burnt bone]

|| ||

[void oracle]

honestly yeah i see a huge difference from cd challenging and heroic

[solar sable]

👀

[burnt bone]

IYKYK

[grand girder]

highly dependent on the TL I've experienced

[pulsar burrow]

Bullet King or Iron Lung with a striker + Coyote Mask

[solar sable]

@compact glen

[livid sorrel]

I'd say Iron Lung is better, BK is a bit of a gimmick gun tbh

[pulsar burrow]

Tragic. The gimmick of never reloading with a gold lmg is strong lol.

[subtle bluff]

The idea is strong but in actually if it does less dmg overall than a normal LMG it's mid..

[hazy hull]

I'd throw in tempest it's the best pistol if you ain't using an exotic main gun

[buoyant perch]

Accounting for reload, BK has near top of the chart sustained dps so it's still good in terms of damage. It's only the handling that's not good.

[compact glen]

Would anyone be able to help me out with a Hotshot Shroud build?

[smoky latch]

#ask-td2-community message

[compact glen]

Oh, that's the hotdog build. Nice.

[smoky latch]

If you don't have Overdogs use a 4th piece Hotshot

[compact glen]

I plan on doing that until I get em, yeah

[compact glen]

What rifle should I take alongside Shroud, White Death or 1886?

[smoky latch]

Can be another sniper or an 1886, up to you

[compact glen]

kk

What talent on 1886?

Oh damn, apparently Determined

[hexed steppe]

streamlined or rifleman if you want to respect yourself,
determined if you hate your soul

[compact glen]

Rifleman then

[smoky latch]

Or, Determined if you want to speed things up, solo , 😄

[hexed steppe]

full disclosure, im biased against determined

[compact glen]

That's fine, you had me at rifleman

[smoky latch]

😄 I just use it solo for quicker farming

[hearty orbit]

completely forsake your soul and run tink with determined and streamline

[smoky latch]

Lol

[hexed steppe]

no, determined and lucky shot

no half measures on deleting soul

[compact glen]

My White Death btw

I am gonna swap the damage to armor I think to DOTOOC

[hexed steppe]

yeah , i would

[solar sable]

good thinking

[hexed steppe]

then i would use it for kindling in the wood stove

[compact glen]

There we go

[compact glen]

All cause of Determined lmao

[hexed steppe]

oh yeah

itll work well, just remember that determined sets you backwards a bit when you want to start actually hitting heads.

[smoky latch]

Valid argument

[hexed steppe]

if you at least try and hit the heads when chaining with it youll do yourself a service. chaining body shots will ruin you tho

[solar sable]

this is what determined does to you
https://medal.tv/games/imported-clips/clips/mbJfw8TCUWjXOa3ej?invite=cr-MSxMZnosNDY3Mjk4MzIw

[dense roost]

Got the Shroud from an annivesary cache and haven't done much with Snipers in this game, what does a solid build for it look like?

[solar sable]

scroll a few messages up

[solar sable]

this one

[dense roost]

lit ty

[jolly bramble]

I'm debating if I wanna use Big Alejandro or Bluescreen on Tipping Scales...

[solar sable]

Big Al will eat your ammo in no time and Bluescreen has a CC talent but it also drains a good amount of ammo
You choose

Personally, I like Iron Lung

[jolly bramble]

I was debating between that and Bullet King.

[flint arch]

bullet king is meh

[jolly bramble]

Yeah.

[solar sable]

bullet king is fun but you lose out on lots of dmg

[true oak]

guys is there any good website or sheet for builds ?

[jolly bramble]

I've also been kinda flowing back and forth between either using TS or SB.

[solar sable]

for putting a build together or for sharing?

[jolly bramble]

General setup for me is using 4X SB/TS, OD, and Equalizer.

[solar sable]

SB is for Strikers?

[jolly bramble]

Yep.

[flint arch]

OD already stands for Ongoing Directive, instead say Overdogs or ODogs or whatever

[solar sable]

ovd

[flint arch]

that too

[flint arch]

o

[jolly bramble]

Oh.

[true oak]

for know what best builds to use like for new players or return players

[solar sable]

First, read the Lvl40 Starters Guide then go to pinned messages in this channel to the Spreadsheet 2

[flint arch]

pretty standard for both

[jolly bramble]

Yeah.

I know it's not exactly ideal to run full reds on Heroic due to dying being a frequent occurence but I've gotten used to it.

[flint arch]

it is actually ideal to run full reds on heroic

[jolly bramble]

I mostly play by myself and I did try out a shield but I can't get behind it. Even skill builds for me are just....meh.

[true oak]

okay anything else i need to know ?

[solar sable]

that's it for now, you can come back to ask questions

[true oak]

okay thank you hope you have a good day

[jolly bramble]

Eh, maybe I suck then. I've been dying a shitload on the heroic munity manhunt.

[tender whale]

Yeah but big all gives u a damage bonus shooting from cover u can stack with tipping scales Crit damage

[solar sable]

Big Al is a hungry boi

[tender whale]

The mutiny manhunt compared to the one before it is actually hard so

[tender whale]

But beeeg DPS for the hungry hungry gun

[subtle bluff]

DP?

[edgy bone]

what's the best attribute to put on the white death?

I'm assuming out of cover damage?

[solar sable]

Golden Tip: All weapons require DTOC and LMGs require CHC

[edgy bone]

side question streamline or determined?

[tender whale]

Maybe mag size if snipers can roll that cus white death is a five round gun Crit damage wouldn't be bad either for the odd headshot crit

[tender whale]

Determined for snipers always

[solar sable]

MMRs? Your choice

[solar sable]

no, Determined is not always the answer

[compact glen]

What's the difference between offensive systems, offensive protocols, etc

cause I have multiple that add headshot damage to masks, but idk what the difference is

[solar sable]

they fit in different slots, that's it

[compact glen]

o kk

[elfin fractal]

is this ok to use with striker build?

[compact glen]

meh

[elfin fractal]

currently using carnage

[compact glen]

I'd recommend a shotgun like the ACS for your high end

[solar sable]

if it has CHC then yes, just swap the talent to Killer

[elfin fractal]

ill try farming that too, thanks

[elfin fractal]

here's the attri btw

[solar sable]

oof, nope, not that great

[elfin fractal]

hmm, what should i look for? chc or maybe dmg to armor?

[solar sable]

CHC for LMGs

[timid token]

My stats is amazing

[tender whale]

Could turn 5percent Crit chance into Crit damage but still very good

[old light]

Can anyone send me the best builds currently for pve and PvP I’m a returning player looking to not waste time farming useless builds

[flint arch]

check pins and look at the spreadsheet

[vocal sierra]

is the inifite seeker mine build still viable? im new to the game

[subtle bluff]

To a degree.

[vocal sierra]

huh

[subtle bluff]

It shouldn't be your first or 2nd build.

[swift raft]

@subtle bluff what’s your favourite memento build?

[pulsar burrow]

Is firewall or gunner a better specialization for a generic striker build?

[swift raft]

If going all red cores then try firewall, good surivability unless your gear is full expertise

[pulsar burrow]

Where does the firewall survivability come from?

[swift raft]

It’s shield

[subtle bluff]

Striker

[pulsar burrow]

Ah health on kill And shield yea

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

[small orchid]

I dont have the bagback because it drop in darkzone what another bag i use ?

[dawn perch]

What is good talent for lexington

[flint arch]

killer for solo play, measured for group play

[buoyant perch]

Intimidate Ceska

[solar sable]

but sir that's a chest talent

[buoyant perch]

right

andrenaline rush ceska

[strong cave]

I would've went bloodsucker

Depends on the build ofc

[tender whale]

Isn't chameleon not working properly right now?

[flint arch]

iirc it still works, but the UI doesn't appear

[tender whale]

Ahhhhhhh gotcha

Would oroboris (the incursion exotic) be good with tipping scales ?

[flint arch]

bad

[solar sable]

no?

[flint arch]

TS stacks depend on how long you keep the trigger pinned down for

Ouroboros dumps its entire mag within like 3 seconds

[tender whale]

I want to make a build with it but I'm so tired of everything being strikers momento

[flint arch]

You can try using Hunter's Fury with Ouroboros

[solar sable]

not Momento...

[flint arch]

Also not everything is Memento lol

Because most people run NBB Striker for some goddamned reason

[solar sable]

who told you strikers and memento is the everything build?

[graceful raft]

Following certain builds and yet I see others be overexcessively tanky while I still die like a wet noodle, stats/gear/%s are all nearly the same.. what could I be doing wrong..?

[flint arch]

Others are excessively tanky, but are also excessively useless

[solar sable]

"because I want the 3pc UA bonus plus I get 4pc Strikers" ahh mentality

[tender whale]

Maybe I'll do a split red/blue core build with it

[graceful raft]

Like my friend with less than what I have is able to tank yet I cant 🙁 wthelly

[flint arch]

Tank is pretty useless in the game, the only purpose they have is in the Iron Horse raid really

[graceful raft]

4 foundry set with overdogs and bellstone chestpiece

[strong cave]

Would work perfectly fine for solo play. In groups it's frowned on as the backpack does pretty much nothing if you aren't killing

[flint arch]

Oh my god I swear to god

[strong cave]

Yeah I'm gonna have to say no to this

[tender whale]

No I mean with oro

[solar sable]

context?

[tender whale]

Let me introduce you to the humble heartbreaker build

[flint arch]

I would respect it more (miniscule amount) if they actually committed to the tank build honestly but overdogs in there says something else

[strong cave]

I know. In groups you won't be doing enough damage to utilize the memento backpack. Ouro is kinda meh since they nerfed it in Y6

[graceful raft]

Just trying to find a solo legendary set honestly and im a returning player from years ago so Im not exactly sure what im doing

[strong cave]

It's basically a worse striker tbh

[flint arch]

Yeah, if you want to do damage with HB, you gotta reroll all the cores to red, and when you're running full red HB, 50% bonus armor will let you tank like 2 additional bullets

[solar sable]

Legendary isnt just about the build, its about knowledge

[flint arch]

And then only way you can regain that bonus armor is by regaining lost stacks, which is excurciatingly slow

[strong cave]

Additionally not everything has a head and LLP is known not to be as reliable at times

[swift raft]

how can i get lexington rn?

[graceful raft]

Then are alot of these builds Im looking at being showcased all through knowledge or what am I doing wrong T_T

[flint arch]

you can't

[swift raft]

[flint arch]

If it's Div 2 YT, throw it all into the trash because almost everything on there is worthless

[tender whale]

Nah if u run big al with it u basically get day one heart breakers again

[flint arch]

You can't put LLP on Big Al

[strong cave]

Speaking truth 💯

[subtle bluff]

They do work but it's again not just a build.
You need a mix balance of: Build, gameplay and knowledge

[graceful raft]

For sure

[subtle bluff]

if you lack something the other cannot full you thru it

[flint arch]

I mean you could headshot everything first, but it's not going to be consistent

And it's definitely NOT going to be day one heartbreakers, TS or hell maybe even Strikers will do you more good than HB

[graceful raft]

Guess I'll look through the pinned builds for now and take my time learning each legendary mission

[subtle bluff]

Strikers Memento is normally the best one to start with on it. imo.

[grand girder]

do the easier legendarys first it helps you get used to the difficulty

if you start on zoo you'll have a bad time

[jolly bramble]

Ayo, what about IKia?

[tender whale]

Remote pulse and you get 100 stacks with hb chest piece for 100 extra damage and big Al's bonus 100 extra damage

[graceful raft]

I have a strikers memento build but not fully optimized , just was trying to explore other builds

[grand girder]

"almost everything" being key there

[jolly bramble]

Ah gotcha.

[flint arch]

Yes, iKia is a rare exception, but the general trend is just "landfill"

[graceful raft]

ahhh Ive been trying to do district union

[tender whale]

I love DCU legendary

[flint arch]

Remote pulse?

[jolly bramble]

I like iKia, his builds are backed by data which is nice.

[subtle bluff]

I mean yes you can but then TS and Striker just does more and you don't have to sac a skill to stack

[flint arch]

That's just coping at this point honestly

[tender whale]

Yes the second pulse skill

[subtle bluff]

All of Build Hubs are too. The more meta we're slowly adding in video showcases.

[flint arch]

Just run TS or Striker with Big Al, it's a lot less work for more gain

[jolly bramble]

Yeah, your guy's one (Build Station I think) is awesome.

[subtle bluff]

I am just a helper

I wish I could do coding to help it along.

[tender whale]

But it's also so boring and overplayed at this point

[flint arch]

I mean, HB is essentially the same thing, you shoot enemy, deal more damage, shoot enemy more, deal even more damage
It's just that you have to pulse them first, which makes it less consistent

[subtle bluff]

What's boring?

to you at least. People say the same thing but then they can't clear any of the hardest stuff with the "boring" build.

[flint arch]

Also, if you want some more spice, try PGC Striker with Vigilance, where even getting hit severely impairs your damage output

[subtle bluff]

The point is you know that there's a meta and it does what it does. If you don't want it meta then you're not looking for advice here.

[buoyant perch]

just fyi HB stacks are bugged atm, close range acs 12 is the only reliable way to get HB stack now

[flint arch]

no wonder HB felt so garbage to play when I tried it

[jolly bramble]

Holy shit, I didn't know that...

[grand girder]

just pop zealot bro

eZ pZ

[flint arch]

shoo

[subtle bluff]

You are kind of forced to stack with ACS12

[solar sable]

So, you come here for advice, you get told what you can run, and call it boring? So what do you expect or seek then?

[grand girder]

honk

[tender whale]

Idk some actual creativity instead of everyone running the same build all the time if I wanted to run strikers with oro I would of just equipped it lmao

[solar sable]

dude, you're getting told different options

[grand girder]

if you want creativity why are you asking for a build instead of making it yourself?

[jolly bramble]

There's a lot of options as well aside from Strikers.

Ongoing Directive, Concentrated Company, Tipping Scales (LMG's), Hotshot (DMR's I think).

[solar sable]

because if it works then its boring

[flint arch]

hotshot is for MMRs, you could also go 2p breaking point for a more rifle focused headshot build

[jolly bramble]

Ah I am an idiot then, apologies.

[tender whale]

I'm asking for advice lmao like hey maybe try this chest piece or something instead of everyone just defaulting to JuSt RuN StRiKeRs

[subtle bluff]

and that's fine again you are in #td2-build-advice we're gonna give advice...

[flint arch]

no you were correct

[solar sable]

we are giving advice, but you just called it boring
then wtf are you looking for?????

[jolly bramble]

I may try out a Striker LMG build for shits and giggles with Tinkerer.

[subtle bluff]

Giving a build that niche to you and your own way of playing isn't the best advice.

For anything that a new person is learning at first you keep it simple. Simple as that.

[jolly bramble]

I do have a question regarding HB. Do I need to use the shield on it or can I forgo having a shield in favor of a deflector drone?

[tender whale]

HB?

[jolly bramble]

Heartbreaker.

I was gonna use that as a run-n-gun style of gameplay.

[livid sorrel]

I wouldn't

[jolly bramble]

Ah, a'ight.

[subtle bluff]

Def Drone has a CD and doesn't stay up for long.

[livid sorrel]

You could run shield and artificer

[subtle bluff]

Run and gun would a HF build.

[solar sable]

I use this for r&g

[jolly bramble]

I'll just have to learn how to use the shield then cause I suck with it.

[grand girder]

I just know its a perfect 60% chc

[tender whale]

Oh I recently saw someone running it with a shield that was actually melting things u could also run it with point man to give a small support boost to your team

[jolly bramble]

Well, I say run and gun but I think it's more of a techtank style.

[subtle bluff]

that very specific shield and it's only a gives amp with ranges for ads and allies

[subtle bluff]

So... You want to use a shield or not.....

[graceful raft]

What chest piece is that?

[grand girder]

ceska

[flint arch]

ceska w/ obliterate

[livid sorrel]

Good ol ceska obliterate

[jolly bramble]

For me, I don't want to but if it's needed w/ HB I'll have to get used to playing around it.

[subtle bluff]

As the title says this is the old meta.

[jolly bramble]

I just wanted to try out something different, that's all.

[grand girder]

in the 1950s when we didn't have no united alloys and ROF buffs

[livid sorrel]

it's not really needed

[graceful raft]

Ah I saw, just saw someone else also post having used that chestpiece 😮

[livid sorrel]

although the skill tier from technician does help shields

[jolly bramble]

It'd be the armor cores, wouldn't it?

[livid sorrel]

Right, i forget HB comes with blue

[tender whale]

Ok I play heartbreaker all the time u do not need to run a shield with it if your not comfortable with shields

[tender whale]

To run a good efficient hb build u need to aim for pieces with Crit chance or Crit damage as secondary stats

[subtle bluff]

Are you doing a "run and gun" play style?

[subtle bluff]

Buddy... He said core not Minor Attributes..

go away bot

[tender whale]

Damn that's crazy I'm trying to be helpful and give him build advice and u keep trying to shut me down on like everything I say

[subtle bluff]

You not doing it right.

Do better. Don't just give random advice.

[tender whale]

Damn did I ask for your opinion?
Do you moderate or run this channel?
Can u leave me alone

[livid sorrel]

core =/= attribute

[flint arch]

@hazy steeple Another spam bot

[subtle bluff]

I already reported it

[flint arch]

If you give bad advice in a channel called #td2-build-advice, expect to be called out for it

[livid sorrel]

tbf he only got a term wrong

[graceful raft]

Would a ceska be much better than a equalizer?

[hearty owl]

just a misunderstanding not a big deal lol

[subtle bluff]

No, you didn't. But you're giving out incorrect information.
I am point out to you so you can do it better next time vs being confusing about when someone ask for Core question on gear and not CHC/CHD. You gave the correct advice if it were asking for other stats.
Is wrong to help you fix your advice for next time?

No I don't, I don't care to do so. I just enjoy helping players that want it. It's a public channel. We're all allow to have opinions and thoughts.

[grand girder]

it's slightly worse iirc, not by much

[subtle bluff]

No again, it's the old meta.

[graceful raft]

Ahh gotcha

[livid sorrel]

It's fine if you get one before equalizer

[woven pewter]

And what other brandset would be decent in meta striker without overdogs? Ceska?

[solar sable]

ceska and UA

[woven pewter]

Some ppl run alloy with it, bit idk if its worth.

[solar sable]

it is

[tender whale]

So wait as someone who plays heartbreaker all the time I'm not allowed to tell people about how it works and what works best on it when they say they want to try it out I'm sorry I didn't give the cookie cutter response of "it's blue cores" and decided to try and give helpful advice on how heartbreaker builds works.

[hearty owl]

I doubt it’s that much of a difference

[subtle bluff]

Coyote > Ceska / UA > Salvo

[livid sorrel]

the meta build does use a named ua chest

[subtle bluff]

I've played it a more than you I am sure and at much higher level of gameplay. I have learned the ins and outs of it.

[woven pewter]

I mean... That holster. Was it salvo? Equalizer+ salvo and 4 pcs striker?

[hearty owl]

mr chow chill bro 😭

[subtle bluff]

But I am not here to tell you were about your build or playstyle, just that when you give info out that it is correct that's it.

[subtle bluff]

Where?

[tender whale]

Damn that's crazy so now u can just guess how much time I have played and what activities I use my builds in

[subtle bluff]

Because I know you haven't solo legendary with HB without GE's or Modifiers.

[hearty owl]

why are we egoing this is very unlike you mr chow

[subtle bluff]

RMM incursion actually hurt me too much.

[hearty owl]

the mr chow I know would move on from that convo

[subtle bluff]

I need to stop hurting myself with it and carrying undeserving players in it.

[woven pewter]

Nowhere. :) I'm just wondering why there are so many ppl running equalizer+salvo in striker setup. Isnt that combination a meh one?

[subtle bluff]

I have now.

[hearty owl]

im glad 🙂

[livid sorrel]

People want more RoF ig

[subtle bluff]

hehe it's the whole "OO it's a exotic/named IT must be good!"

[livid sorrel]

I'll just assume they don't have Coyote's or Overdogs for their 2nd non-gearset piece

[woven pewter]

So its equalizer without striker chest and salvo with, right? Never mix em both. :D

[lone perch]

can u extract as many stats from item as possible or u need to pay something?

[flint arch]

one stat, and the item is destroyed in the end

[livid sorrel]

You can only extract 1 stat from 1 item

[grand girder]

once you extract one it is gone from your inventory

[lone perch]

does extracting cost anything or do I just do all max stats I see?

[hearty owl]

costs 0 dollars

[livid sorrel]

Just the item the stat was on

[lone perch]

oki

okey

[subtle bluff]

Here's... Think of it this way. Crit is a VERY important number for DPS.
Ceska is great because of CHC but Equalizer wins because of the P. Obli 4% TWD.
If you use Salvo you're losing another slot for RoF vs Crit.

[grand girder]

costs 0.24 bitcoin per extract

to my wallet of course /joke!

[hearty owl]

what if division 2 was just a bitcoin miner

[subtle bluff]

RoF is a good stats but it doesn't trump everything else all the time.

[livid sorrel]

1 ISACCOIN

[subtle bluff]

You ppl...

[flint arch]

annacoin

[livid sorrel]

Now i wonder what even is the money we use to buy stuff

[solar sable]

He said it!

[woven pewter]

Thank you. I'm just thinking what piece to pick if someone hasnt overdogs yet.

[subtle bluff]

I've been really putting off making "How do make a DPS build" guide

[hearty owl]

#lfg-pc

[olive dew]

ty

[tacit furnace]

what do i grind if i cant deal dmg in power plant or summit, current dmg output is 90k.

[grand girder]

leech loot in challenging countdown until you get a semi decent striker set going

then you'll be able to somewhat contribute until you get better gear

[tacit furnace]

where do i access that

[grand girder]

top right of DC Green circle icon

[tacit furnace]

another question, where do i grind shd lvls

[subtle bluff]

Doing missions, CP, bounties etc.

[tacit furnace]

Whats cp?

[grand girder]

control points

[patent fossil]

There's some useful pinned guides in #ask-td2-community for xp farming and similar

[bleak kernel]

Looking for an Anti-Hunter build for the summit floor 100

[grand girder]

scorpio + foam

[timber patrol]

can someone recommend a one shot build with 1186 that is currently valid?

[subtle bluff]

What content?

[lunar zephyr]

should i craft the m870 until i get my stats or is there another shotgun that is better for hunter fury (before i waste all the mats). Currently playing Thorn but i have bad stats on it aswell...

[timber patrol]

retal and summit

i usually like to play PVE

so i want to do solo retal and solo sumit

all the builds i can find are for the valentine event, so idk if they still work since no HS benefit

[livid sorrel]

they should still work, just not as ridiculously broken

[timber patrol]

so would they not be 1 shot, also there are so many videos on it, if anyone is currently using a build of that type which would you recommend?

[storm moon]

what this down items mean ? also which wep are this

[timber patrol]

in case you dont have items in the main build then you can replace with these, or use them depending on your playstyle

[storm moon]

oh oke

[tacit furnace]

what stats should i prioritize on a starter endgame build, and what guns should i get + what stats on striker set

[jaunty swan]

where do we get the automated defence parts? only from broken watches?

[abstract bridge]

What is better for solo legendary? Liquid engineer backpack or Units Alloy backpack with same talent? It will be second part with 20% AR dmg. (I use Strega AR).

[patent fossil]

Currently yes you have to craft them, once we get black tusk retaliations (sometime later this year) you'll be able to farm them there

[limpid pelican]

have meta dps builds changed much over the past year?

[cerulean smelt]

Ama post confirmed bt retaliation coming year 8 season 1 in April. Least that's how I read it

[patent fossil]

slightly - exotic gloves overdogs and named chest equalizer are now the top picks on the standard striker build in most circumstances

[limpid pelican]

thanks. do bloody knuckles still play a role in incursion for wright/lovebirds or are the new gloves bis

[patent fossil]

hmm, not sure - I think overdogs would be better for wright as long as no adds are alive because 30% amp is just bigger than whatever bloody knuckles added. For lovebirds though you'd likely only get the amp against one of them at most (depending on adds, skill proxies etc) so probably better with knuckles still. I'm not an incursion expert though.

[limpid pelican]

gotcha. yeah i wasnt really finding many recent videos to see what the current standard is. dang those gloves seem pretty sweet i'll have to try and snag a pair. appreciate it. i'll try and do a bit more searching to see if anyone's uploaded some runs lately

[patent fossil]

honestly overdogs are a bit OP at the moment and may end up getting nerfed (I believe we're getting another balance pass this year)

[cerulean smelt]

there is, least the AMA post confirmed balance pass coming soon™

apparently the raid/incursion will be getting new exclusive exotics later on 😹 which will be interesting to see if they leave the now exotics as a higher chance of getting while the new exclusive exotic being what the old exotics were chance wise

[hearty owl]

Maybe they’ll disable Nego in the raids too like the incursion

Ultimate balance change!!!!

That will kill speedrunning 🥰

[cerulean smelt]

would love a balance change of everything if you ask me 😹

[willow sigil]

overdogs can drop from countdown?

[patent fossil]

yes

[willow sigil]

does heroic make a difference from challenge for the sake of exotics?

[patent fossil]

AFAIK it doesn't affect exotic drop rates. You earn more countdown coins and thus can buy exotic caches at a slightly higher rate though. That's assuming you successfully extract as often as you would in challenging though, which isn't always the case.

[willow sigil]

does this game have a sort of knockout system for exotics? or will i potentially get dupes before i unlock everything in a category?

[patent fossil]

you will get dupes

[cerulean smelt]

later this month they got a Countdown "Overdrive" kind of event where i think you get more currency per success. like 2x or something? i didn't participate in the last one we had

[willow sigil]

so for assault rifles the core attributes will always be damage and health damage and those cannot be recalibrated correct?

[patent fossil]

Yes, although technically you can recalibrate them but only to boost them up to whatever the max is in your library. It's not advised though since you can only recalibrate one stat slot per item

[willow sigil]

is that different than just optimizing?

[patent fossil]

It's cheaper in materials

but generally it's good practice to save your recalibration slot for the talent, since you're more likely to want to change that in the future

[willow sigil]

oh i see. i understand. so essentially if your attribute and talent are what you want then you could recal a core since its cheaper

[patent fossil]

yup

[willow sigil]

so i just got a elmo, it is not letting me recal any slot, is there a reason?

[cerulean smelt]

exotics you can reconfigure only. which changes all 3 stats with the 3rd being random of what assault rifles can obtain

[willow sigil]

so, that means i have to reconfigure until i get dmg out of cover

[cerulean smelt]

correct

[willow sigil]

how do i reconfigure?

[dusk tendon]

I was screwing around with determined white death. I was using the riot foam skill to ensnare a lieutenant on challenging difficulty. The lieutenant died by the riot foam instead

[cerulean smelt]

Inaya an NPC near the crafting bench can sell those blueprints

[gentle lichen]

buy the blueprint from inaya and check the station for exotics

[patent fossil]

crafting table, weapon section, down the bottom of the list

[willow sigil]

oh it needs exotic components. how badly do i need dmg out of cover over crit damage?

[cerulean smelt]

think DTOC is a multiplicative damage type which can net you more damage in the long run? i'm not sure on the math of this but we always tell people to have DTOC regardless

[willow sigil]

and countdown is the best way to farm quantities of exotics?

[jaunty swan]

Thank you

[cerulean smelt]

yes, as every 2ish runs you can visit the vendor and buy an exotic cache to further your chances of getting whatever exotic you're farming for. the caches isn't set to target loot it'll give you any random exotic that's in teh general loot pool for exotics

[gentle lichen]

very
it's basically a 10% amp on 80% of builds

[cerulean smelt]

thanks @gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

where otherwise chd would add to your chd pool which is not as big a jump as dtoc

[cerulean smelt]

which is a multiplicative and additive thing?

[gentle lichen]

they all multiply (except hsd +chd) its just that sources of dtoc are much more rarer than chd which can be a minor attribute on all pieces of gear

[willow sigil]

i guess ill be rolling this wepon for a while

[pallid siren]

with gear shift i do 350k normal hit but only 600k crit, can anyone help me increase crit and help me with my build? i js got the striker set

[cerulean smelt]

that's striker in a nutshell. might just be lacking the chance so you can pour more into damage to incrase the damage. Striker is just crit starved
tipping scales on the other had each shot increases your Edit:(crit) damage so you can totally get the 60% chance and have more damage than striker

[pallid siren]

so do i use strikers or?

or is there any fix? make everything crit dmg and hope?

[undone silo]

Whats your crit damage % at?

[pallid siren]

63.8

ik low but i js finished nyc

[cerulean smelt]

typically you want a 1 crit chance to 2 crit damage within your build

[pallid siren]

1:2 ratio?

so 60 chance 120 dmg

[undone silo]

That explains it, just level up your watch and grind the game get your crit chance to at least 50% and around 100 crit dmg

[pallid siren]

i mean i played 7.5h so im happy

like playtime is 7.5h, skipped dc rushed nyc

[cerulean smelt]

you're on the right track. it'll just take time to get there

[pallid siren]

can i change 2 stats on an item?

cuz i got a picaros holster with armor regen but i wna run double wep dmg but armor regen is useless

i changed the armor regen to crit dmg

[cerulean smelt]

unfortunately for balance. only the 1 core/attribute/talent can be changed on it. we typicall tell people to get the core/2 attributes what they want so they can change the talent if it has one

[pallid siren]

ok

[cerulean smelt]

this becomes extremely tricky as there are unicorn builds you want the 2 attributes + talent to be what is needed so you can change the core as it drops with a specific core

[pallid siren]

what talent do i want for ar/lmgs for dps?

rn im using gear shift but its inconsistent but it works nicely with striker, first half of mag goes fast charges striker and the other half does huge dmg but slowly

[cerulean smelt]

for striker i think people tend to want measured for what it does as you described, other would be Killer because of the uptime of having more crit damage. personall i like Strained as you get stacks for more crit damage, sure you reload and lose those stacks entirely

[undone silo]

For ARs strained and killer are best

[uneven nest]

Yo yo! Hey every body! Quick question… memento is part of general loot pool? I can get from doing tower in challenging?

[cerulean smelt]

you can but that tower tends to be slower than running challenging countdown because the sheer amount of loot it drops within with 8 players

[uneven nest]

Understood. No worries. I’m in no rush honestly. I don’t mind if it takes a bit. Thanks 🤝

[cerulean smelt]

just remember to keep changing your ascent/tactical challenges to net more target loots

[uneven nest]

How do I change that? Sorry

[cerulean smelt]

on pc i think it's just esc and there should be a challenges tab within

[uneven nest]

OOOHHHH

It’s been awhile. Yea! I got you. Like the bonus debuffs and what not right?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, things like "progress 3 floors using only side arms" kind of thing or "applying various status effects"

[patent fossil]

challenges tab is on the map menu inside summit

[cerulean smelt]

haven't summit in so long i don't recall honestly. i just know you can find it while in summit in one menu of some sort

[olive cosmos]

someone answered this question for me the other day i just cant remember what are the best ar talents i want

pve

[cerulean smelt]

popular crit based builds are Killer for the uptime it offers, measured because it has a fast fire rate with low damage for 50% magazine then swaps to slow fire rate but higher damage, i say Strained is an option as well, but it's probably more of my personal preference

[livid sorrel]

killer(falls off in mp), strained, measured

[olive cosmos]

thanks

[cerulean smelt]

but it also boils down on your build as well

[livid sorrel]

i personally prefer measured for the fire rate

[olive cosmos]

and what are some good ars i can get right now?

[livid sorrel]

police m4, p416 would be my first suggestions

[cerulean smelt]

Police M4, Famas, f2k, carbine 7, hear CTAR is decent as well, keep forgetting p416

though a lot of builds favors St Elmo's exotic becaues of the magazine and shock bullets when you get full stacks on it

[olive cosmos]

yeah i have 1 just want other options thanks for the info

[cerulean smelt]

personally not a fan of st elmo's since most of my shocking ammo hits the npcs where they get a command to take cover so they do that shocked animation while their feet glide on the floor then they get more deeper in cover where you can't hit them anymore
so my elmo's is stashed

[olive cosmos]

i like it for the mag size the shock is nice to have but i feel like you dont really need it especially in team play

keep?

[pallid siren]

what lmg with stepping scales and what talent?

[cerulean smelt]

i solo mostly, so because of that. elmos is of no use to me, plus i don't know if i'm in that burn out phase or just finnicky of what i actually want to play. do jump on and finish hte journeys for these current events

[pallid siren]

i hate gear shift

[cerulean smelt]

it'll work, but you'll need to start extracting attributes and talents to your library. change that headshot to Damage to Targets out of Cover

[willow sigil]

elmos no good for solo?

[cerulean smelt]

personal preference honestly. i like the GR9 with frenzy on mine i got running, but it's whatever you want really

[pallid siren]

idk, i only used negev and gear shift

[cerulean smelt]

this is the problem i have while soloing with it
#td2-build-advice message

[pallid siren]

i want fast shooting big mag. like 800-1000 rpm 200mag

[cerulean smelt]

my GR9 with tipping is 325 with 50 from gunner

[willow sigil]

so what are you using instead?

[pallid siren]

gr9? is it the same as dare?

[raven needle]

Good gear sets to run with pestilence exotic lmg

[cerulean smelt]

possibly? i think Gr9 and Stoner looks similar? and i don't recall what the dare took on model wise sorry

[cerulean smelt]

i got a striker with 2 UA (equilizer + salvo) with lexington Strained

[olive cosmos]

i can extract this talent and put it on my other weapon?

[cerulean smelt]

hear Concentrated Company (CoCo) group wise makes pestilience strong

[pallid siren]

yeah gr9 same as dare, its super slow tho

[cerulean smelt]

i'd kep the police M4 and change teh talent on it

[pallid siren]

should i use striker or tipping scale? i want sum op so ar or lmg?

[cerulean smelt]

@olive cosmos people prefer lexington which is a Police M4 with a higher base damage on it

[olive cosmos]

so should i really just take kill off my other weapon and put it on my m4

killer*

[cerulean smelt]

i stash my striker mostly and play off meta builds mostly. try them all out and find one you don't mind mindlessly playing the game for hours that makes it fun for you

[cerulean smelt]

i would

[pallid siren]

i enjoy op stuff.

[olive cosmos]

good?

[willow sigil]

are there certain mods i need to put on my m4? im not sure what my issue with it is, but it doesnt feel strong when i compare it to elmo. is it mag size diff?

[cerulean smelt]

chef's kiss

[cerulean smelt]

probably, but with high ends you can pick and choose your mods. i tend to go all i can with Crit Chance, Crit damage in the other places

[lone perch]

is St. Elmo's Engine good wep?

[pallid siren]

no its useless use the shotgun mop its the best one in the game

[cerulean smelt]

i'm not a fan of it, but the other people love it

[pallid siren]

its good

[lone perch]

what are some good lmg weapons?

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine it's even better when you run perfect glass cannon an black listers marking a target then ignore it as it does 660% more damage to you? 😹

[cerulean smelt]

i like GR9 or Stoner with Frenzy on it for my Tipping Scales build not sure the other popular LMG people listed

forgot it's sunday. was like, why does it feel i'm the only one answering questions? 😹

[lone perch]

what about 1889 build is it good for all around stuff?

[lone perch]

ur carrying these channel

[cerulean smelt]

only 1186 build i know of is with headhunter and determined which i do enjoy from time to time but i use 4 hotshot with handbasket for that 😹 not having to reload the gun is a nice touch for me

[lone perch]

yea im doing headhunter and determined

[willow sigil]

if i wanted to farm salvo do i target ua or holster?

[cerulean smelt]

UA as there's only 6 pieces to contend with. you do holster you're getting exotics, gearsets and brandsets

[willow sigil]

sounds good ill give this a shot, cant seem to get overdogs so maybe this will be a little bit easier

[cerulean smelt]

nods Hyena Retaliations drops a blueprint to craft it but you'll have to do blacktusk activities for the assessment materials and broken shd watches converted to automated defense materials or just wait until april when they add black tusk retalations to get that other material easier

[uneven nest]

LOL First try countdown? wth

Literally the first one I ran. Is it really common now? has to be..

[cerulean smelt]

RNG likes you, buy your lottery ticket! j/k on the lottery ticket but congrats

[uneven nest]

Thanks for the advice. I decided to do a countdown instead of the tower. Good decision i guess

[cerulean smelt]

we usually advise countdown as it gives sheer amount of loot as you probaly noticed running it 😹

[uneven nest]

Yea it was crazy 😭

[buoyant berry]

Trying PFE builds for the first time, am I on point or just f ing around?

[uneven nest]

732k @ 1.3 looks good to me. Lose your armor and you’re getting smelted I think?

[serene flare]

would Shroud be a better MMR to pair with this hunter's fury build, or Nemesis?
I've been using Nemesis a bunch, but I noticed that after adding Memento, it's gotten so much more inconsistent without a headshot/mmr based brand set bonus

[willow sigil]

ive never done retaliation, im not sure how they work. this is what my retaliation tab looks like im not sure what i am supposed to do from here

[uneven nest]

Kind of what I’m dealing with. Need to build my health and armor

[cerulean smelt]

when those icons are red with a timer counting down inside you'd have a button you hold in to activate it and you get teleported to the region they're taking voer
what you have for Hyenas will fill with a few kills with hyena, 1 activity

[uneven nest]

Better.. now I just need to start optimizing. I think I might be rehooked for awhile. I just threw some stuff together... want to try and build something with uniformity

[junior lagoon]

If you have not done a retaliation before i recommend to watch a video first. It is a time limit event

And do it on normal first time

[uneven nest]

Is really worth hunting sets?

[junior lagoon]

Yes

[cerulean smelt]

i prefer highends myself honestly

[uneven nest]

Got ya

[cerulean smelt]

i saw an exotic backpack. i thought we'd get to haze you but it's the better exotic backpack 😹

[willow sigil]

I see, got it, what difficulty am i supposed to be running this retaliation on?

[cerulean smelt]

puts away the pitch fork

[uneven nest]

😭

[cerulean smelt]

any you want or can comfortably run it in, challening minimum i'd say as you'll get yellow drops mostly

[willow sigil]

its a timed mission, to do what exactly?

[cerulean smelt]

30 minute i think to complete it by recapturing the control points within

[pallid siren]

what talent on lmg for tipping scale?

[uneven nest]

So the 3+ piece Hotshot set. It seems to be tailored for MRs, but does the “+30% Headshot Damage “ apply to all weapons?

[lone perch]

any good?

[uneven nest]

What’s the base on that?

[uneven nest]

Sorry. I meant the base damage.

[lone perch]

these?

[uneven nest]

So click the gun, options, “show base damage”

The white numbers are before buffs

[serene flare]

why do you need to know the base damage??

[cerulean smelt]

i like frenzy, some like measured

[uneven nest]

I’m just curious

[pallid siren]

i only have streamline, good enough for me

[uneven nest]

51 is pretty good base tbh. Def a good gun imo. For a smg I think

[pallid siren]

measuered i dont like frenzy idk but killer sounds op,

[cerulean smelt]

for specific events youtubers likes pushing videos out with that in their builds for "OP DAMAGE!" but it's really not that strong because they build for Hazard Protection to lessen the bleeding

[serene flare]

I mean, Backfire is really only good if you have a build centered around it
you need a lot of hazard protection to make sure that bleed doesn't just kill you

[lone perch]

what about Lexington gun?

[cerulean smelt]

ah, the one guy everyone trips over wanting to obtain 😹

[pallid siren]

175k non crit, 935k crit, is that good?

[lone perch]

im trying to do assult rifle build so just looking for gun xd

[cerulean smelt]

i don't know what i do with my build, but things don't live long for me so i'd say it's good as long as you're not going down

[pallid siren]

for countdown i tickle enemies

but again its on heroic

[cerulean smelt]

that's heroic countdown with 8 player scaling

[pallid siren]

on legendary before i go down its fine, like i dont kill fast but like 2-3 secs and they dead, maybe ima switch to striker

nvm

[keen plank]

What alternatives can I use to the pestilence build if I dont have 3 red rolled legmo pieces? 2 piece tipping scales and what else?

[frail crest]

alright quick question would it be a good idea to use sustainable with equalizer and blacklisters for big alejandro build?

[hexed steppe]

coco

[buoyant perch]

Read the pesti guide in the pinned spreadsheet 2

[hexed steppe]

concentrated company

[cerulean smelt]

if you group Concentrated Company (coco)

[lunar zephyr]

anything to do better for hf shotgun build?

[hexed steppe]

i think im gonna make a pure highend pesti with those bugged blacklisters and contractors 🤔

[cerulean smelt]

looks good, i personally would go all red (weapon cores)

[cerulean smelt]

PGC?

[hexed steppe]

ofc

[lunar zephyr]

so no blue cores and chest and mask?

[cerulean smelt]

that'd be me, but you can run it that way

[lunar zephyr]

would be easier got those maxed currently farming for the blue ones hah

gonna try it then

[hexed steppe]

i would try it and adjust as needed. if your armor isnt getting jacked up, i would roll in another red core

[lunar zephyr]

is brazen or pummel the play here?

[hexed steppe]

brazen

[lunar zephyr]

thanks, i keep crafting the m870 to get good stats. Is that the right way to get it with bis stats or what do you rec?
i only know that i can change 1 stat

[serene flare]

is there any way for me to eek out some more damage for Nemesis? It's having trouble securing kills to jump start PHH

[cerulean smelt]

you can craft as long as you got the materials. other wise target loot shotguns in countdown/retaliations might get lucky and get nearly god rolled shotgun with dtoc so you can freely change the talent

[lunar zephyr]

what is dtoc?

[cerulean smelt]

Damage to Targets out of Cover
basically increases your damage quite a bit over other 3rd attributes

[lunar zephyr]

ah ok thanks

gonna grind then thanks

[serene flare]

what brand set bonus scales better for headshots, MMR damage or headshot damage?

[junior lagoon]

Crafting generally gives poor rolls. Try to find with dtoc or the talent you want then optimize the first two attributes

[cerulean smelt]

think 1 pc hadsburg (i can't remember how to spell this) is headshot damage but it drops with armor core so you'd probably want to get it with hsd + wh + talent on backpack so you can swap the armor core to weapon damage core

[compact glen]

@smoky latch What secondary skill did you rock on 3p HS Overdogs

[serene flare]

HG is alright, but it has the same bonus as Providence, so I would rather just farm that

[junior lagoon]

That is a unicorn

[kindred coral]

Got hit with a sudden build inspo and wanted to hear some opinions, not going for mega meta but something fun and abit functional

Bloody knuckles for melee & increased weapon damage + the exotic spas for an instant on-shot kill on all non elite enemies

Then 4 strikers for increased weapon damage %'s n such, with the chest piece being mandatory for max stacks being put to 300 from 200

Then maybe a name item in any other slot thrown it depend on what i need

What I'm wondering tho, is if I go for blue or red cores since I don't want to be a squishy melee build, was thinking of marbling having some blue cores but I'm wondering if I should split it 3/3 or lean in favor of defense or offense

Lmk

Unsure of secondary main weapon, but a smg might work for spray and pray, I have a rlly good named pp-19

[serene flare]

Huh, swapping off of WH onto a Providence chest drops my damage by 31k, so it seems the general weapon damage buff from WH scales higher than the HSD multiplier. I'll have to see who that works with something like Airaldi's MMR damage

[cerulean smelt]

i don't think its 300 stacks. it's 200 from 100 stacks or someting like that i believe

[kindred coral]

Either way more stacks

[silver coral]

what set would you recommend a returning player for ST elmo engine

[warped crypt]

for blue core memento / smg build, is it better to run blue core striker or blue hunter fury?

[cerulean smelt]

current favorite is 4 strikers, equalizer named chest with overdogs exotic gloves

[silver coral]

thanks

[buoyant perch]

Striker

[lone perch]

can u drop Lexingtown from countdown?

[buoyant perch]

No

[lone perch]

no to my questions?

[cerulean smelt]

lexington is a special weapon and tends to drop during special events. next guess is stretch goal in 3-4 months from now

[smoky latch]

Whatever you want, decoy and reviver hive make sense for instance

[lone perch]

DAMN

any other good assoult rifle?

[cerulean smelt]

Police M4, Famas, F2k, Carbine 7, CTAR are decent choices in my order others might have a different order for them

[lone perch]

Carbine 7 plays good

[cerulean smelt]

think the damage is slightly lower than Police m4 but it's a laser shooting it

[pallid siren]

what ar and what talent for striker? ima switch to it bc i dont like tipping scale

[lone perch]

is these good but Carbine 7 ?

[lone perch]

Police m4 is good too yea

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message

[pallid siren]

i dont have lexington

[cerulean smelt]

whereever miki got that from, there should be alternatives in that guide i believe

[lone perch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[lone perch]

same run Police m4 I guess

[pallid siren]

so m4 and equalizer chestplate, do i need overdogs?

[lone perch]

everyone uses overdogs so I guess yea

[hexed steppe]

only tool an metric ton of mats to craft/optimize the mask/holster/knee.
pesti overlisters

i was thinking there was a weird interaction in the range, but then i realized im just used to vigilance and not unstoppable force stacking damage

[cerulean smelt]

that looks like a cursed build

[cerulean smelt]

why not Pesti Blackdogs?

[storm moon]

Which LMG is decent at endgame ?

[smoky latch]

Depends. What build?

[cerulean smelt]

verdict? add that to the list of pestilence build but (only during anniversary)? 😹

[storm moon]

idk DPS ?

[hexed steppe]

getting some interesting ticks with the event active

[smoky latch]

Do you have a build yet?

[vague hazel]

any suggestions to a noobies first build?

[storm moon]

nop just shity roll striker set 😄

i think to try pestilance

[smoky latch]

Striker's is totally solid, ofc. Bad rolls can be replaced over time

[livid sorrel]

striker

[smoky latch]

Hang on

[cerulean smelt]

if you're fresh to 40
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0
if you're leveling still. don't worry about builds until you're 40

[hexed steppe]

i mean, it depends on if they fix blacklisters or or just determined them and make the description match the bug

[vague hazel]

GOAT, thank you

[compact glen]

For a hotshot build, what's better on a Relic, DTOC, CHD, or CHC?

or none of the above and go with something else?

[hexed steppe]

yeah pesti ticks during the event may be a bit ridiculous

[serene flare]

dang, even with an Airaldi chest and fully optimized gear, I don't think I'll be able to one-shot an Elite with a fully charged Nemesis

that's pretty disappointing tbh, really puts a hamper on what I wanted to dow ith it

[hexed steppe]

post build

[hexed steppe]

nvm i see it

[serene flare]

all of the attributes rolled as HSD

[hexed steppe]

you wont get there with memento not charged, go vigilance

[serene flare]

I really like Memento lmao, I spent way too long trying to get this thing

[hexed steppe]

then focus close range to utilize hf

[serene flare]

it's really helped out my survivability for when I'm shotgun rushing

[hexed steppe]

drop nemesis and use white death without a scope for a higher damage mmr with it

or an 1886 rifle

[serene flare]

I really like using Nemesis to pop a head and jumpstart PHH, but I need to be able to at least one-bang an Elite

[smoky latch]

Check this guide with its useful info:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.84510325k0as

[hexed steppe]

with that setup theyll likely need to be within range

memento is always gonna be a tradeoff, regardless of the emotional attachment

[serene flare]

whoof, Whte Death is a huge damage nerf compared to Nemesis

[hexed steppe]

can you reliably shoot and hit adds with nemesis at <15m?

[serene flare]

hmmm yeah, if I get in close, I can use the HF damage bonus to get a one shot

[hexed steppe]

youll need to

[serene flare]

Yeah, for the most part, Nemesis is here to get a very strong opening kill to a fight when I'm not being targeted

I still think the SPAS-12 is bugged, but the damage is there
I just can't rely on it to start a fight for me

once the train is going though, it's pretty good

[hexed steppe]

if you cant oneshot tho, youll need to be within range, or using something like vigilance

kinda the 2 ways of increasing the damage

[serene flare]

Hmmmm
oh, I didn't consider Memento's long term damage buff
the longer I'm playing and moving around, I'll end up with a weapon damage buff higher than Vigilance

[hexed steppe]

not higher than vigilance

its regular weapon damage

[serene flare]

doesn't the 5 minute buff stack 30x?
at full stacks that's just 30% weapon damage

[hexed steppe]

vigilance is total weapon damage and would act like glass cannon since its a separate modifier

and the only source of twd there

[compact glen]

Xeno_Lotus [CRYM], Role icon, PC — 1:13 PM
For a hotshot build, what's better on a Relic, DTOC, CHD, or CHC?
or none of the above and go with something else?

[hexed steppe]

memento wd is additive to the red cores where vigilance is not

[serene flare]

if only there were better ways of testing damage like this lol
we need another button in the firing range that just dumps you with the buffs for your exotic

[hexed steppe]

if you stack memento in the field, you can fast travel to the whitehouse and test for 5 minutes with memento buff active

[warped crypt]

what's easier to play? hb techtank or striker tech tank w/ memento?

[serene flare]

how would a Striker Techtank even work?

[hexed steppe]

once you leave the front steps towards the gate or common area you would lose the buff. need to go right to the range

[warped crypt]

blue cores w/ memento?

[hexed steppe]

striker since you dont need pulse to stack

[warped crypt]

ok thank you

[cerulean smelt]

tech tanks are usually Skill Tiers. blue cores are tanks

[serene flare]

I stacked Memento up, and I think the only way I can get it to work is if I have an Airaldi chest piece with Headhunter and HSD on it lmao
it needs just a squeak more damage

[hexed steppe]

try a providence piece

[serene flare]

I did, Providence is a damage down
at least compared to WH's weapon damage

[slate wedge]

try to use regulus and a Big Shield with Sharpshooter spec

[hexed steppe]

was that first shot or top end

[serene flare]

being on Sharpshooter would be the only buff I need, but the point is to be on Gunner for the armor on kill

[hexed steppe]

hsd should help first shot

[serene flare]

it was the first shot

[slate wedge]

you get enough AoK from HF

[serene flare]

not for me lol

also, whoever said to stack more headshot damage on my shotgun, I just need one more perfect HSD mod to put me over the threshold for Headhunter's extra damage buff

[hexed steppe]

you should be able to hit 155 with the shotgun

[serene flare]

this thing has been a thorn in my side for months

[compact glen]

If I were to use Relic, do I want DTOC or CHC/CHD?

[serene flare]

I mean yeah, I could roll my Thorn with headshot damage

should I roll my Thorn with HSD?

[hexed steppe]

you shouldnt need

[compact glen]

One day I'll get an answer to my simple question that I've asked three times.

[serene flare]

Ah yeah, that one

stupid SPAS not having any good attachment points

I'm torn on whether I want to run with my KSG or Thorn. KSG still feels more consistent in terms of pellet spread

the more I play with it, The Mop feels like the least consistent shotgun in the game
Even at 5m in the test range, it takes 5-6 direct Brazen headshots to kill an Elite
a lot of times it just tickles for 200k damage

I think that's entirely because all of the pellets are hitting outside the reticle somehow

[hexed steppe]

youll add a couple mil to your nemesis shots with vigilance, at least from what i can test atm

[serene flare]

Yeah I can definitely do that, but I think I'll just suck it up and get within HF range to get my damage bonus

It makes me feel like Nemesis needs like a 5% damage buff in PvE, just so that you can secure kills with a HSD investment without needing to build directly into a sniper based gear set. At that point, any sniper can do the job, and Nemesis just becomes irrelevant

[uneven nest]

Nice little build going. I thought my 73.3 was bad, but with stacks I’m pushing 120k dmg

Assault rifle build

[dense roost]

My friend who's been playing with me says he wants to try a more tanky build rather than an up-front damage build, what's a good place for him to start?

[serene flare]

It sounds stupid, but I think my reasoning is solid
Nemesis is a super high damage MMR, but when you pair it with a sniper gear set, it's not really doing anything that every other MMR can do. It would be nice to have Nemesis be the MMR that does the bare minimum for any other non-sniper gear set, if you build into the headshot damage

[broken birch]

Can someone help me make a dz/conflict build?

[serene flare]

why would I use Nemesis on a regular sniper build when I can just stick with White Death or a Handbasket?
Nemesis is just there to give me funny high damage numbers at that point

[hexed steppe]

i mean, youre using a shotgun, cqb gearset.... you kinda should be playing to its strengths... no?

[serene flare]

I get that, but I'm speaking more towards Nemesis's role in the game, as it stands
If you're not building for a sniper gear set, it doesn't do the job. If you are building for a sniper gear set, any MMR can do the job.
It would be nice if doing a HSD investment would net you the bare minimum of killing a solo Heroic Elite enemy. It wouldn't be doing that in group play, and I think that's fine to require a sniper gear set for that

[hexed steppe]

its just kinda luck that hh synergizes with shotguns

[burnt bone]

Don’t use relic

[serene flare]

isn't a regular MMR from the same weapon with Determined better than Relic?

[hexed steppe]

there are a lot of items that get displaced in this game. nemesis is kinda one that just has more niche use now

[burnt bone]

Phrasing your questions this way also makes it less likely for people to answer you

[burnt bone]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

you are not the only one here, unfortunately

[cerulean smelt]

<-dont use any other MMR from handbasket or white death so i wouldn't know about relic so i stayed quiet

[serene flare]

eh, I get that
I just think that Nemesis would be cool as a weapon for people to use if they just want to throw a bit of sniper into their build to taste

I think it's because Relic's Perfect Determined just doesn't do the thing people want from Determined.
Doesn't it de-proc itself after getting a kill?

[hexed steppe]

itll do what you want at range with vigilance... thats the trade off if you want it to work the way you envision it

[cerulean smelt]

yes

[serene flare]

Yeah, that's very true. I just want to be using an Exotic is all lmao

It kinda feels like Determined and Perfect Determined's effect should swap
Perfect Determined is a straight nerf

[burnt bone]

Think the devs tried that but the people rioted

[serene flare]

I can imagine, but it's not terribly healthy for the game IMO
every other talent on MMRs are worthless because it's not the ez mode free kill talent

[hexed steppe]

determined is a broken talent. if it was fixed proper, (which it was at one point), it would only guarantee the next headshot and you would need another true headshot kill to get a guaranteed headshot again...

idk why they reverted the fix and left it broke af but it kinda ruined sniping if im being honest

[serene flare]

the last thing I would want is for MMRs to be balanced around the fact that Determined and HH exists
that would be very no bueno for the game lmao

[burnt bone]

I think without determined, mmrs would be use by like 5 people max

[serene flare]

do a single week at a random point where Hotshot and A&E both turn into TD1's Hunter's Faith set, and turn off Determined just so sniper players can feel what it was like back when we were in the trenches

[burnt bone]

And 3 of them would be cheating haha

[hexed steppe]

it would be skill based gameplay instead of the trash it tends to be

[serene flare]

Snipers are really living in a gated community these days

[burnt bone]

It just wouldn’t be worth running over everything else available to us

[serene flare]

I would be totally in favor of returning to the TD1 Hunter's Faith system if it meant we could penetrate head armor plates, and have weak spots for Warhounds and BTSU turrets

[dreamy valve]

Even with Determined as it is right now, other gear is doing so much damage right now that I think at this point it really shouldn’t matter. Players are killing faster with Big Alejandro or other LMG than a player with HH can keep up at this point, and they don’t have to worry about fighting robotics and heavies that a sniper user would.

[hexed steppe]

i disagree. you can dominate without it, but it required you to know wft is going on and the limits of your build. mantis setup is super nice

[serene flare]

I would honestly love a hyper-mobile sniper setup
maybe even a full specialization focused on it that does stuff similar to Mantis and Decoy

booting up TD1 to play my sniper character was like working muscles I forgot I had
I slipped right back into it, but dang sniping in that game was punishing

they condensed the entire sniper experience into a single talent, and then took away the only risk for that playstyle, letting you miss as many shots as you wanted, so long as the only ones you hit were headshots

[smoky latch]

Once HH is fully stacked you can kill even chungas with two shots. Nothing can beat that really

[dreamy valve]

Actual sniping is harder in this game if you’re not solo. The AI goes wiggle mode as it decides to switch target priority while moving around the map

[smoky latch]

Given you run an 1886 rifle, not a sniper, you can kill disgustingly fast

[serene flare]

Nah, sniping was infinitely harder in TD1
Division 2's sniping is like Weenie Hut Jr's

That was before Determined came out
Now it's Super Weenie Hut Jr's.

[pallid siren]

I JUST GOT A ALMOST GODROLL M4 (14.9%ar dmg 19.5% hp dmg MAX DMG OUT OF COVER) AND BIG ALEJANDRO IN THE SPAN OF 2 MINUTES

[dreamy valve]

It does feel good, but you do need a target to gain stacks, sometimes you’re just out of luck which feels bad too. I’ve switched to Shroud at this point for Rogues and Hunters, and have a Ravenous in my inventory for heavies and robotics if I need it

[burnt bone]

Nice

[pallid siren]

now idk, use M4 striker or alejandro?

[burnt bone]

Why not both? You have 2 weapon slots 🙃

[smoky latch]

When it comes to actual sniping I use the Shroud as well, alongside another sniper. Since Determined is so broken I don't use it in random MM, personally

[pallid siren]

i meant striker or tipping scale

[burnt bone]

Try both, use whichever you like more

[dreamy valve]

The game is giving players so much killing power that I don’t feel bad using HH determined. I actually can barely keep up with a new player using strikers and overdogs while global events and overdrive events are active on top.

[cerulean smelt]

annoying isn't it?

[smoky latch]

If your aim and reflexes aren't bad you can snag most kills away from any Striker's player. In my experience. I don't like it, so I don't do it with randoms. It's different if you play with a farming group for instance

[dreamy valve]

I said this years ago, and it’s still true

[cerulean smelt]

i agree with people that overdrives should be an optional toggle

[halcyon meadow]

I just kinda threw stuff together and prayed

Like I said nothing here synergies with each other well

[smoky latch]

That's OK, everyone starts somewhere

[halcyon meadow]

I just like the machine gun cuz the insane amount of dakka

[cerulean smelt]

mmm, 7 core going to give us a novel of text if the bot doesn't tell them "too much typing, break it in several messages" 😹

[smoky latch]

If you like LMGs, go farm for Tipping Scales and Striker's

[burnt bone]

Btw do you know how gearset bonuses work (and gearset backpacks)

[halcyon meadow]

Yes

[dreamy valve]

LMGs are in a very good place right now, and their weapon selection for Strikers/TS is very healthy. You can just spray in a given general direction and tag enemies before even I could auto aim a headshot with a scope-less 1886 determined on most enemies. LMGs are a damage hose that doesn’t require any brain neurons to function that can outperform sniper players at this point

[halcyon meadow]

Thing is I just don’t have anything. It’s all mostly different stuff

And I’m going to complete the stories before I go into the grind

[cerulean smelt]

ah, wording choices retypes mostly?

[dreamy valve]

I’m in the toilet and typing with one thumb right now

[burnt bone]

Oh I see so you’re just using the pieces for the skill haste/duration and cooldown reset

[halcyon meadow]

Yeah

[compact glen]

Anyone got that list of exotics to keep?

[burnt bone]

Tbh I though that was negotiators dilemma at first glance

[compact glen]

Wondering whether or not I should keep Strega

[burnt bone]

Well if you really wanna see big Al take off, I’d try strikers or tipping scales 👀

[halcyon meadow]

I’ll go look for those when I can. Rn I’m gonna murder keener

[smoky latch]

I dare say that if I don't "compete" with a player who uses Frenzy on their LMG I'm able to kill NPCs faster. Given that I know where enemy spawns are since there isn't much spawn RNG involved. Now add some event to this that gives additional damage which enables you to use Turmoil without issues and you kill two NPCs at once.

Anyway, I prefer regular DPS builds anyway

[cerulean smelt]

sometimes i default to the 3 providence, fox's, contractor's with grupo mask

[smoky latch]

Sure, still works

[pseudo arrow]

Getting back into the game after a few years is this build ok?

[dreamy valve]

I always play in random matchmake so my mileage varies. Sometimes I can dominate kills, other times I get kill stealed constantly. It depends on the mission, map, and enemy make up, and if there’s 2 or 3 experienced players with LMGs I might as well play a healing or support role over sniping

[dense roost]

What pistol are you using? Looks cool

[pseudo arrow]

D50

[smoky latch]

Check this guide, it has several meta Striker variants suggestions

[burnt bone]

You have 4pc strikers, which is ok. Everything else is kinda…

Really just swap the chest, holster, and gloves and you’re on the right track

[cerulean smelt]

deagle is more like pull it outa nd hopefully kill an npc with it then go back to bluescreen 😹

[dense roost]

tbf what else could you ask from a pistol in a non-pistol build

[smoky latch]

I don't care about "kill stealing" in that sense, it's just that Determined rifle players usually put the NPCs six feet under way too fast. I also enjoy playing other roles when I'm bored of DPS, for instance.

[burnt bone]

Quimkstemp

[dense roost]

I almost never pull mine out anymore lmaoo

[dense roost]

true...

[burnt bone]

Do you have

[dense roost]

This is what I'm working with pistols wise I haven't really put much thought into this slot

[pseudo arrow]

Anything in particular I should switch them for?

[burnt bone]

We get you quickstep tn

/this afternoon

[dense roost]

Alr bet, I'm not doing anything particularly important rn so if you're free lol

[burnt bone]

I’m doing ✈️

[dreamy valve]

Yeah Determined can spike and gain momentum in a fight really well, it’s just not consistent experience for me, as there’s just other variables at play. I like tanky builds anyways, so I only switch to sniping when the map wants some long range shooting

[lone perch]

how rare is exotic drops in countdown?

only dropped 2 in like 20+ runs

[dense roost]

I haven't had much luck getting drops, I would just focus on getting clears and spending the currency on caches, I've had much more success that way

[burnt bone]

INF linked a good guide, it explains striker and the diff pieces you can use (and why the chest is bait) https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?usp=drivesdk

[lone perch]

yea true

[cerulean smelt]

we suggest countdown with target loot then every 2 runs you buy an exotic cache

[lone perch]

every 2 runs? how do u get 120+ per run

[fervent halo]

can i recalibrate my talent?

[dense roost]

Do all/most objectives and make sure your whole team extracts

[fervent halo]

or i need to find different piece

[dense roost]

I think

[lone perch]

should I do heroic or is it too hard with randoms?

[burnt bone]

But Strikers tldr is any 4 striker pieces (using the backpack, not using the chest), equalizer named chest is really good, and the most common 6th piece is coyotes mask or overdogs (overdogs stronger)

[dense roost]

I was told not to rereoll armor unless it's a miracle piece

[burnt bone]

Never really a point in heroic, just matchmake challenging countdown

[dense roost]

Varies tbh, I've had good groups where we clear and get out no problem and sometimes 4 people leave as soon as one person dies

[lone perch]

ok

should give a punishment if u leave xd

[dense roost]

Just do challenging, it's much faster and way less of a headache

[lone perch]

oki

[burnt bone]

It looks like it’s saying you’ve already recalibrated smth?

[dense roost]

Most of my good exotics have come from caches, I pulled a St. Elmo's on my second ever cache pull after farming for a drop for like 4+ hours and not seeing it

[fervent halo]

yes

[lone perch]

yea im trying to get elmo

[burnt bone]

What did you recalibrate

[dense roost]

Shit changed my life

[fervent halo]

the crit dmg one

[dense roost]

Even if it wasn't a strong pick for one of the best builds in the game it just feels so damn good to shoot, I come from a life of bungie and respawn games so good gunplay is important to me x3

[burnt bone]

Can only recalibrate one thing on an item

[fervent halo]

ohh okok thanks

[burnt bone]

You’ll hear the term “open talent” (about a backpack, chest, weapon) which means it has the attributes you want already, so you can recall the talent

[dense roost]

I'm going back to the mines to get a better equalizer, I've only had one drop and it has awful atts

@burnt bone Ping me when you're avaliable to do QS stuff

[cerulean smelt]

just about every season they tend to give us new talents. so it's just safer to change the talent incase they add something really good in the future

[burnt bone]

I’ll think about it.

[fervent halo]

where can i get most of my dmg?

do i need to get the right talent?

for weapon?

[lunar zephyr]

i am playing hf shotgun/smg. I want to farm my smg now. is Backfire the gun to play? Do i also go for dtoc? and whats the best way to farm the backfire

[burnt bone]

Talents are a big part of damage

[cerulean smelt]

synergized builds
if i could summon mrchow he could present you with a formula for weapon damage in this game

[burnt bone]

But so is everything else

:)

[burnt bone]

Don’t use backfire it’s annoying and not usually worth running over other smgs

[cerulean smelt]

maybe they're masochists and would love the pain 🤔

[lunar zephyr]

currently playing the grudge with ass attributes and it already does much dmg but cant decide what smg to play/farm for maxed stats

[smoky latch]

Vector .45, Converted SMG9

[burnt bone]

Uhhh converted smg9 is ggoodge

[lunar zephyr]

what talent?

[burnt bone]

Killer, measured, unwavering

[lunar zephyr]

thanks will try the vector and smg9

[smoky latch]

DTOC as 3rd attribute

[lunar zephyr]

yes thought so

is is much better than like getting another 10% on chd?

[smoky latch]

Yes

[lunar zephyr]

currently having 51/103%

[burnt bone]

That’s fine

[onyx sage]

dttooc 10% is separate multiplier

[cerulean smelt]

nods you want a 1 crit chance to 2 crit damage ratio at all times

[burnt bone]

sneezes

[lunar zephyr]

trying to get the memento then it should be "good" but i do tons of dmg already just struggling with no armor haha need to learn to play more safe

[lunar zephyr]

sounds crazy

[onyx sage]

it is

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[solar sable]

with Memento that's not an issue tbh

[burnt bone]

Yeah that looks pretty good assuming memento

[lunar zephyr]

yea

started like 4 days ago with the game haha im pretty "happy" with how it goes but much to learn

[burnt bone]

I’d go equalizer but that’s because it’s my OTP

[solar sable]

I would like to say that Intimidate enhances your Run&Gun experience much more than Oblit with HF Memento

[lunar zephyr]

was thinking about it but someone here said just go cesk haha but since i play obli anyway shouldnt equalizer be better?

[burnt bone]

Probably not if it’ll drop you below 50 chc

[solar sable]

you need the chc ceska gives

[lunar zephyr]

ah

[solar sable]

if you were running Backfire for example, then yeah you can

[lunar zephyr]

didnt see that. Intimidate also looks good i guess when i have everything togehther i test both

[cerulean smelt]

ceska is mentioned because 1 piece gives 6% chance which striker is lacking

[solar sable]

wasn't it 8% CHC?

[cerulean smelt]

dunno the number, just know 1 piece gives chance 😹

[lunar zephyr]

should be 6. Also am i just unlucky with skill haste or does the cesk always has skill haste?

[burnt bone]

Top right

[solar sable]

no, attributes are random for regular items

[cerulean smelt]

it's RNG you'd have to keep getting it to find it with chance/damage so you can swap the talent freely

[lunar zephyr]

AH okey then i gotta try to get better roll played this since i got 3 maxed and chc so high got nothing betetr yet

[burnt bone]

Do you know how the library works

[cerulean smelt]

depending your shd level and if you've been putting it in chance, then damage you get some more stats there

[lunar zephyr]

yes but i had to change the talent so i couldnt change attribute

only thing i dont understand sooo good yet is expertise

[cerulean smelt]

expertise is a marathon thing. keep you busy for a longer period of time

[burnt bone]

Sweet, I’d recommend farming a better chest so you can extract that juicy juicy weapon damage core 🤤 🤤

[lunar zephyr]

already have 15 weapon core on chest hehe

extracted*

[burnt bone]

Or is old picture

[lunar zephyr]

oh you are right! i mixed it up with holster lol

[solar sable]

guys, what happened to our thingy 🥴
Lvl40 Starters Guide

[lunar zephyr]

yea gotta extract that hahaha

[burnt bone]

Our… thingy…? 😳

[lunar zephyr]

ive read most of it, it helped

[solar sable]

not that one, silly 😆

[burnt bone]

Oh ok

[cerulean smelt]

need more circles and arrows

[burnt bone]

No I think I used enough actually

[dense roost]

average div2 yt thumbnail

[finite quest]

What’s the best AR build currently?

[mint axle]

Don't forget the GODMODE!!! UNBEATABLE!!! META!!! words

[finite quest]

Mainly for solo play

[smoky sigil]

Any big horn builds?

[solar sable]

Strikers

[solar sable]

I use this for Strega, I can't remember if I was told it was the same layout that was used for Bighorn

[lone perch]

is these good one?

[solar sable]

for support builds yes
it also works marvelous for hunters/rogues

[lone perch]

what about shotgun + shield dps build?

[solar sable]

it's really not a dps weapon but you can use it in HF for example

[lone perch]

oki

[surreal tree]

Hello can anyone give me a good build for a sniper, (endgame build)

[patent fossil]

there's a spreadsheet linked in the pins with a bunch of good build guides, see the 'sniper setups' guide for some top options

[surreal tree]

Thank you

[slate mango]

Can anyone give me a good dps tinkerer build

[pallid siren]

can someone help me with my build? idk why but i js deal super low dmg

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1jZFxzOinCpE8Yt8mUVw6SFsSuxgvmJPqf4-Axe-rR50/edit

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1SWuE2fKU-Jb908fbkEXhQNKblL4ecEIdMB4m3HbPLOE/edit

Can be found here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LPnA18PDgGg_dEbNI1kZVTVIMGXNHQS_

[smoky latch]

Post screenshot

[pallid siren]

im using big alejandro for charging striker and sometimes use it, all stats on striker is critdmg on holster its chc chd and chest is crit c and weapon handling

• on bag and chest 4.8% chc and on mask 10.2% chd

[smoky latch]

Top build, you might need to optimize/find higher rolls.
Don't use Alejandro to stack, it's a hungry LMG and only does good damage once you're in cover. Don't "waste" its ammo

Overall get to ~55-57% CHC, rest CHD

[pallid siren]

so i do low dmg bc of bad rolls?

if i get to 57chc i have like 2chd

[smoky latch]

Probably. You can post a screenshot of your crit values

[pallid siren]

on ar, on lmg its bad bc no attachments

[smoky latch]

Yeas just not optimized

[pallid siren]

so higher rolls and im 10x better?

[smoky latch]

You should be around 55-57% CHC and 115% CHD roughly

[pallid siren]

with 10shd might be impossible

[smoky latch]

You won't be "better" but you will do more damage. The game has a learning curve and experience is equally if not more important

[pallid siren]

i meant better as more dmg

and i got 1k hours on console js bought it after 2 years of not playing

and i forgot some things

[smoky latch]

Addtionally, it's worth farming for Overdogs gloves. Once you get them, replace the UA holster with them

[pallid siren]

are they rlly that op?

[smoky latch]

Yeah they're very good, not "OP"

[pallid siren]

so theye not very good but they are OP?

because ur name is false information so if i reverse the info its true

[smoky latch]

😂 hhaahahahahah

It's just an insider joke

[pallid siren]

so js get better gear higher rolls thats all?

[smoky latch]

Yes, farm for better rolls

[pallid siren]

tipping scale or striker?

[smoky latch]

In your stage it's not recommended to optimize a lot

[pallid siren]

Ok

[smoky latch]

Run Countdown on challenging, no shame in getting carried as new (restarting) player

[compact glen]

For White Death, do I want DTOC?

[smoky latch]

Yes

[pallid siren]

i run it on heroic, once my striker stacks get up i do 820k crit with ar with talent active and alejandro max stacks i do also around 800k crit so heroic countdown i can handle atleast a tiny bit

[dreamy valve]

I think another issue is the new influx of players are trying to rush to endgame as fast as possible without learning core fundamentals and mechanics and to even experience the journey naturally. But getting the gear that everyone else uses also does not automatically make you a better player in this game either. There’s also other alternate advancement power that they are missing that would boost their damage, and that would take some time to develop on their account. SHD watch to 1000, Optimization, Expertise levels, Specialization trees all contribute to player power at a whole. Maxing out gear and skill mods, and weapon attachments also contribute.

[smoky latch]

Run challenging, trust

[pallid siren]

is it better?

[compact glen]

Oh gdi, I messed up on that White Death. It had swap speed, which is meh, but I didn't realize the trash talent so I wasted resources

[smoky latch]

Your chances of extracting successfully are much better. Loot quality isn't much different at all

[compact glen]

Thankfully I have a spare with determined.

[pallid siren]

nah 1k hours on console is enough for me, weapon shoot weapon better stat weapon more shoot stronger shoot no harder than that

[dreamy valve]

1,000 hours at shd 10?

[pallid siren]

on console...

[smoky latch]

He said "on console" 😄

[dreamy valve]

So you have everything maxed out?

[pallid siren]

if you want i can make a powerpoint presentation stating that on console i have 1K hours 🙂

[pallid siren]

idk, havent played in 2 years

[dreamy valve]

It confused me since you have a pc tag

[pallid siren]

i stopped after the expertise levels got released, before that i took a break so when i started playing everyone in pvp has 20 expertise lvl on guns so i quit bc i only cared abt pvp

[dreamy valve]

Yeah those alternate advancements have been added, will take awhile for you to catch up, but it shouldn’t be that big of a difference. Build looks ok so not sure what’s going on

[pallid siren]

skill issue apparently...

well i started today so still good progress for me

[dreamy valve]

I don’t know strikers + LMG is as brain dead as you can get

[pallid siren]

its js for stacking the strikers bc with m4 it takes longer