td2-build-advice

[smoky latch]

I think someone just said Faye Lau, I don't recall myself

[burnt bone]

Compared to smth like the rock and roll or m870, which are pretty much my default secondaries

[sharp folio]

Uhhhh? It's just gives me this pulse when I check faye lau

[sharp folio]

Ok so jupiter is the sticky emp

[cerulean smelt]

so before you'd have to prss space to leave cover so that reticle woudl be smaller for you to do damage instead of a few pellets hitting 😹

[smoky latch]

Well if it shows you the skill reward it shouldn't take long to find it

[burnt bone]

Yeah I know how it works/that it was bugged I just want to know if it’s good or not 🙏🙏😭😭😳

[cerulean smelt]

i went with some form of headshot damage build for it bugged and was having fun with it

[burnt bone]

The people yearn for hhf

[sharp folio]

Could someone tell me what is a "trap" skill?

I just noticed it in the legacy manhunts rewards

[burnt bone]

Uhh in what context

[dusky edge]

Yea my b

[burnt bone]

Like the shock trap?

[sharp folio]

No it's just either "trap - shrapnel trap" or "trap - repair trap" as a skill I think

[cerulean smelt]

something we get and throw a few feet in front of us and it spreads out in a circle. NPC uses it they can throw a 100 yard touch down with hit and deploy it 😹

[sharp folio]

Lmao

[cerulean smelt]

oh the healing trap deploys in a stright line

i forget the mission in new york, but you got a guy who thows the shock trap from 100 yards from you then it deploys

[burnt bone]

Oh this thing

[sharp folio]

I meant these 2

[sharp folio]

Yh

[burnt bone]

Yeah the base skill is from dlc

[dusky edge]

Found an interesting build in an incursion group.

[burnt bone]

WONY, I forget which guy you have to kill

[cerulean smelt]

oh? interseting as in good or bad or just interesting?

[dusky edge]

i dont get it....

[cerulean smelt]

aside the 3 walker giving damge to armor and health?

crit based as well, but rifle with chainkiller?

[dusky edge]

Thats my guess.

[cerulean smelt]

bakers dozen?

[smoky latch]

Matador on full red rifle build with HH? 😮

[burnt bone]

Yeah idk seems like an unoptimized rifle build

[dusky edge]

Got another with OD with status effect which is admirable, and me with FI healer cuz I'm nice.

[burnt bone]

Haha im fairy certain status effect on OD is bait

Bleed is like. Pretty doo doo

[dusky edge]

Oh, I'm like 90 percent it is.

[cerulean smelt]

i've tried it once just to see how it fared 😹

[dusky edge]

Just a pain as like no one is queuing for the incurison and I don't want to be that guy telling people what to run.

[cerulean smelt]

shia lebouf "JUST DO IT! pose

[versed summit]

look in lfg?

[jaunty swan]

Hello, been off for a while and just getting back in the game,
How are we farming the bullet king and the iron lung?
Is the Summit most viable?

[livid sorrel]

Countdown and retaliation

[cloud sluice]

Is the Capacitor the best weapon for a skill build?

[cerulean smelt]

about the only exotic that affects it

[cloud sluice]

Thought so, Any idea where to get it?

[cerulean smelt]

summit. complete 3 or 5 of those tactical and ascent challenges

[cloud sluice]

Ok thanks 👍

[cerulean smelt]

faster if you combine the 2 together

[cloud sluice]

Haven't done a great deal of Summit tbh

[cerulean smelt]

those challenges are just doing things like "do x floors with sidearm only" or "clear x floors" sort of thing

[cloud sluice]

Ah ok 👍

[vernal wing]

Is it better to adjust the difficulty? Sidearm only 🥲

[cerulean smelt]

the challenge doesn't care i don't think, but if you care how your get your capacitor then heroic would be ideal, challenging as well if you can't do heroic

or you can skip it. there's a ton of them in there with other odd challenges. bleed x enemies, disrupt x enemies and other status effected objectives. i only gave that one example as it's the only one that comes to mind

[dusky edge]

tried many of times, but I like to just sit in queue sometimes.

[signal frigate]

Whats a strong countdown build

[cerulean smelt]

Striker, Ongoing Directive. maybe negotiators?

[signal frigate]

What does ongoing directive do

[cerulean smelt]

you mark an enemy, if you kill htem while under a status effect you get a full magazine of hallow point bullets that bleed while your team gets 50% magazine. aka free ammo as long as you keep it going

[dusky edge]

Run a high damage skill build your team will love you when hunters spawn (for the consideration of your team dont do this).

[livid sorrel]

You don't really need a specific build for countdown besides not skill builds

[cerulean smelt]

what about foam or banshee pulse?

[livid sorrel]

Those are fine

If it has a health bar it can get hacked

although hives have an health bar but I've never seen anyone use hives other than reviver in countdown

[cerulean smelt]

so you can read it yourself and see the icon for it

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure if you threw the bleed and the artificer they'd get hacked along with the healing

[livid sorrel]

imagine getting downed and getting your reviver hacked

[burnt bone]

The worst is dying while disrupted

No reviver hive for you 😔

[cerulean smelt]

no imagine you get downed. hunter get downed but hacks yoru revive hive and get revived and takes out the whole party 😹

[fossil crag]

I must vent.....

this is some hot DOO DOO lol

[versed summit]

it's usable

oh unless you wanted to blue core it rip

[cerulean smelt]

keep it and spend a f ton of resources to optimize or wait for your next one and hope it's better

[fossil crag]

yes and yes. LOL Its deff good but I need blue HAHAHA

[versed summit]

pain

[fossil crag]

oo ill keep it I need a crit reggy for DZ on a diff agent but Im more conflict and want a all blue crit crit one LOL

[cerulean smelt]

was going to say keep it, put chance on it and use it for another build 😹

[fossil crag]

my man!!!

Like I said just a little vent hahaha Im glad yall was right there with me HAHAH

[cerulean smelt]

think i got one in a harvest chainkiller determined build 😹

[fossil crag]

hahahah

[junior lagoon]

is this for a one shot pistol build?

[fossil crag]

yes and no... LOl its gonna be a PVP peace so yeah 1-2 tap LOL

[junior lagoon]

question on blueprint-dilemna build. how do i play it? mark 2 and kill 3rd, mark 3 kill 4th or mark as many as possible before killing someone?

[fossil crag]

for the raid it dont use IA I dont think

[solar sable]

blueprint dilemma?

[junior lagoon]

Bluescreen that is

lol need more coffee

[cerulean smelt]

think 2 and focus on hp heavy 3rd

think if you're using the chest it bumps the marks to 5 so you'd do 4, focus on 5th highest hp

[junior lagoon]

i dont have the chest, i have equalizer chest

and overdogs

[fossil crag]

I taught I got you the chest and holster

[solar sable]

nego chest is situational as well and even then not worth it

[junior lagoon]

yeah i am not using chest or gloves

bluesreen, dilemna, overdogs there must be some strategy on how to use

[fossil crag]

i feel this after I pulled that really nice but not at all what I needed pack I had to put a lip in LOL

[junior lagoon]

i accidentally ripped my fully optmized exodus gloves

[fossil crag]

its a mistake you only make once

[junior lagoon]

yep. favorited all my builds

@solar sable bluscreen build. don't tell me you dont know

[solar sable]

Bluescreen Dilemma, I do, it's fun for Retals ngl

[junior lagoon]

i also have overdogs. so what is the strategy

[solar sable]

this ^

[vernal wing]

Is turmoil useful here or is that just worse?

[solar sable]

hell no

Nego is already splitting your crits between three enemies and adding Turmoil makes it worse

[fossil crag]

TO and NOGO dont jive if I remember right

[cerulean smelt]

they work together, just not in the way you expect 😹

[fossil crag]

what is this CHC you speak of.?

[cerulean smelt]

acccording to Emiline. i'm nothing

[fossil crag]

hahahahah

[burnt bone]

Wdym? Don’t you still do full crit damage to whatever enemy you’re shooting?

[cerulean smelt]

if you read turmoil it splits your damage by 50%

[burnt bone]

Yes I’m saying that what doomz wrote implies that negotiators also splits your damage

[buoyant perch]

No, nego multiplies your damage

[burnt bone]

And was wondering if that’s what he meant

[burnt bone]

Yes that’s my understanding as well

[buoyant perch]

If nego + turmoil, nego can only multiply the 50% damage so literally nerf the build by half

[patent fossil]

If you tag three enemies with nego and use turmoil, you'll do 50% damage to 4 enemies.
Without turmoil, you'll do 100% damage to 3 enemies.

Forgot they buffed the backpack so the maths is slightly off but you get the idea

[cerulean smelt]

easy to forget isn't it?

[magic pilot]

112% chd transfer

[cerulean smelt]

is it 112% thought 110%?

[versed summit]

yesh

[burnt bone]

If you would consult the spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

is there a negotiators dps calc?

[burnt bone]

Well

[stone lark]

big al doesn't come with any mods right? with tipping scale and overdogs i'd still want to prioritize 60% chc over investing in chd on my gear since ts already grants enough crit damage?

[versed summit]

yes and yes

[burnt bone]

What’s the standard damage calc for guns considering chc and chd

[cerulean smelt]

picture to show big alejandro with no mods#ask-td2-community message

the ratio for it is every 1% chc you want 2% chd. beyond that i know nothing about the maf of dis game

[magic pilot]

(non-chd x (1 - chd)) + (chd x chc) with that number you then X (rpm/60)

[buoyant perch]

If just chd and chc
Chd x chc
Bigger number better

[cerulean smelt]

this math nerd 😹

[magic pilot]

then youd have to do something weird with the nego bp multiplier and your crit rate of the transfer dmg

[burnt bone]

Also does 120% crit damage mean a bullet with a base damage of 1 deals 1 + (1x1.2) damage on a crit

[magic pilot]

yes

[buoyant perch]

It's easier to think like this
(On a crit)
One enemy: 1x
2: 2.12x
3: 3.24x

[magic pilot]

((1- chc)*n) +(chd x chc) x (RPM/60)
N = nego mulitplier

[burnt bone]

I think non negotiators dps formula is: BWD x (1 + (chc x chd)) x (rpm/60)

Where are you getting 1-chd from?

[buoyant perch]

1-chc

[burnt bone]

?

[buoyant perch]

No it should be chc *N

[magic pilot]

yea you are right i think

[onyx sage]

noob

[magic pilot]

first time

[onyx sage]

i have some notes somewhere on nego, let me find them

[buoyant perch]

I just don't use any equation and just use ikia spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

does he have a nego one?

[cerulean smelt]

i flip off math and just play 😹

[buoyant perch]

Yeah it should be there somewhere

[onyx sage]

have fun reading this

(just use ikia's sheet)

[cerulean smelt]

needs more scribbles 🤔

[burnt bone]

Ok what about: DPS = WD x (rpm/60) x [(1 - CHC) + (CHC x (1 + CHD) x (1 + 2 x 1.12))]

Assuming you always have 3 targets marked

[onyx sage]

you can simplify the crit multiplier a lot

eventually you should land on the 1+2.24c+3.24cd that i had

[buoyant perch]

And sprinkle in some mark of the beast

[solar sable]

brother was even solving for limits 😭

[onyx sage]

at least it stopped at limits

i thought i had to do differentiation

[burnt bone]

Oh yeah lol I did a silly

[hearty owl]

Brother

[onyx sage]

basically i was trying to find the "increase" of ND to sort of compare between it and striker etc.

the number is about 2.24x as CHD increases

[smoky latch]

averagemathprof

[burnt bone]

DPS = BWD x (rpm/60) x [(1 - CHC) + (CHC x (1 + CHD) x (3.24))] is for 3 targets marked

DPS = BWD x (rpm/60) x [(1 - CHC) + (CHC x (1 + CHD) x (1 + N x 1.12))] is the general formula where N is targets marked minus 1

I think

[onyx sage]

you can abstract it out even further by using a variable like b to represent "your damage without the crit multiplier"

but it works

[burnt bone]

Is that different from WD? (Weapon damage)

[onyx sage]

well if you just take the formula you posted literally then you'd be missing dttooc, dta/dth, base damage, etc.

weapon damage is more so understood as the weapon damage multiplier (sum of red cores, expertise, specific weapon damage etc.)

that's only 1 multiplier

[burnt bone]

Gotcha I was using it to mean the weapon’s base damage

[burnt bone]

These are multiplied at the end right

[onyx sage]

multiplication has no ordering, you can order it however you want

you can put base damage at the end if you want

[buoyant perch]

Deja vu 💀

[burnt bone]

Not like that, I mean is it part of the dps equation or is it applied to the output

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar sable]

oh god please no...

[onyx sage]

(literally just yes, it's a multiplier)

[burnt bone]

But these are 2 different things ;-;

[onyx sage]

ask in #lfg-pc

[onyx sage]

define these 2 pls

[misty orbit]

i did, im just putting it out there

[burnt bone]

Wait hold on

[onyx sage]

well this is build advice, not really for group requests like this

[cerulean smelt]

aks in lfg-pc no response so go spamming every active channel?

[misty orbit]

Not my intention to spam it, just posting where its active is all

[smoky latch]

Join the GCROCK discord and ask there if you cannot find anyone here

[burnt bone]

Nvm I misread my own equation for some reason I though BWD was inside of a parentheses somewhere

[misty orbit]

GCROCK?

[smoky latch]

Yes, google for invite link

[cerulean smelt]

aka spamming 😹 multiple channels because impatient

[hazy steeple]

You can also find it via the 🧭 discover feature of discord, search "division".

[misty orbit]

Well its all good, I found someone. Not trying to cause a commotion, apologies

[onyx sage]

nah you're fine

[cerulean smelt]

just gives mods more work 😹

[burnt bone]

Yeah I was picturing dps = (BWD x DTA) x (crit stuff) + (smth else) vs dps = dta(BWD x (crit stuff) + (smth else))

When in reality it’s A x B x C

[onyx sage]

it's all just a big multiplication at the end

[burnt bone]

Yee I got my plusses and multiplications in the wrong place in my head because iOS breaks up the lines

[onyx sage]

there is some addition when you involve headhunter but you can still factor out the crucial multipliers

[burnt bone]

Ok back to this; how is a Total weapon damage increase different from a weapon damage increase?

[onyx sage]

twd is just a different multiplier

[burnt bone]

Oh so is twd increase (BWD x TWD) while a WD increase is (BWD + WD)?

[signal frigate]

Ngl im thinking of making a build with the big Alejandro lmg

[burnt bone]

Well

[signal frigate]

Should I do tipping scales build or regualr striker

[onyx sage]

no, so basically you have base × awd × twd

base is just a constant number from the weapon

[burnt bone]

What is awd

[vernal wing]

If you don’t have a striker build, should probably do that.

Otherwise TS

[onyx sage]

"all weapon damage"

[signal frigate]

I have a striker build

[onyx sage]

it's what i meant here

most people use awd to differentiate from just wd

[burnt bone]

Ohh so is awd the increases from cores and such

[onyx sage]

yes

brand bonuses, red cores, expertise, specific weapon damage add to awd

[signal frigate]

So if I have a striker build theres no point of doing a tipping scales build?

[burnt bone]

Is base considering chc and chd?

[onyx sage]

no

base damage is literally just a single number from the weapon.

it's the "level 40 damage" value in the sheet

[burnt bone]

Wait wait wait I think I get it

[subtle bluff]

You need that Infograph again?

[vernal wing]

You can do either.

Striker is just a good all around build to have, so if you don’t have one you should build one.

[signal frigate]

I do have one just kinda wanted to try build catered to lmgs

[burnt bone]

awd is adding together the different wd bonuses and multiplying that by base

Because TWD isn’t part of the addition to find the awd bonus, it has a much larger effect

[buoyant perch]

put it in the starter guide pls

[dusky edge]

I'm so glad that others post builds I can copy. I could never put together my own.

[subtle bluff]

Do think it’s worth it?

My next project guide was a DPS building guide.

Well I guess it needs to be put some where.

[buoyant perch]

yeah just a teaser of the full guide

[subtle bluff]

Fair if I get a moment I’ll throw it in there

[cerulean smelt]

adam sandler voice "you can do it"

[subtle bluff]

I do need to finish it up. Just need more options on it from new players

[cerulean smelt]

i don't know jack about the math of the game, but started to try some odd hybrid of 2 palisades, 3 arcabuz with memento for a weapon damage/skill damage build based on all crit chance and damage. so it'd be something like 4 weapon cores, 1 armor, 6 skill tiers

not at 4 weapons, still something like 2 weapon, 3 armor, 6 skill tier and things die 😹

[subtle bluff]

@burnt bone or @cerulean smelt anything in my Infograph you guys got opinions on it that I could improve on it to make it look simpler?

[burnt bone]

Yeah this makes sense, I should’ve realized this sooner, I have like 1000 hours in Warframe which is all about additive vs multiplicative haha

[subtle bluff]

Oh.. Dangit

[rare trout]

For tipping scales builds (equalizer + overdogs), is it better to have ROF or CHC for the 3rd attribute on the LMG? Assuming I will hit the 60% CHC cap either way.

[subtle bluff]

I try to avoid saying multiplicative around new players without showing this.

[cerulean smelt]

picture in the bottom left corner maybe? could even do some odd stick figure face of it biting it's lower lips looking at those numbers? 🤔

[subtle bluff]

RoF is better for TS but CHC is better for all other builds. It’s not HUGE different in the end.

[subtle bluff]

Yeah I want to redo move everything and show a completed equation.

[cerulean smelt]

ahh, then disregard my suggestion

[subtle bluff]

Add a how to get your DPS number

[subtle bluff]

Naw it’s a filler idea

[rare trout]

Got it, thanks!

[subtle bluff]

CHC keep it easier on yourself for the future.

[magic pilot]

i farmed a gr9 with frenzy so i can change third attribute. only gun ive done that with

[burnt bone]

Maybe just to specifically mention in the TWD section “calculated into overall damage SEPARATELY from AWD and SWD bonuses. A TWD bonus will typically give more overall damage than a numerically equivalent AWD or SWD bonus will.” Or smth along those lines

Even without going in to specifics it’s probably important to mention

Maybe give an example of an amp as well?

[subtle bluff]

Ya this is very much a final draft.
I want to make a finishing example or it looks like a timeline.

[grand mason]

whats a good sniper build? is there any guides out there? some people said the white death but then some people are saying the build is dead anyone know?

[burnt bone]

Who said white death sniper build is deadge

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?usp=drivesdk for your consideration

[grand mason]

thank youuu

i think someone said the perfect determined doesnt work as well but im new so im not sure

[burnt bone]

White death doesn’t have perfect determined 😔

[mint axle]

Yeah, the determined is the only talent it's perfect version is "worse on purpose."

[burnt bone]

Wait that’s so funny I didn’t realize perfect determined kills the whole QOL aspect

[magic pilot]

white death has higher base heashot damage rolled on it. thats the special effect

[grand mason]

so its unlucky to get lucky?

[burnt bone]

The last sentence isn’t in normal determined

[magic pilot]

g28 and magnum have perfect determined

[burnt bone]

Determined is so strong because it removes the need to hit headshots on moving targets

[signal frigate]

Ngl after using the Alejandro this has to be the best lmg I used in a minute I like it way too much

[mint axle]

It's not luck because named weapons talents never change the weapon that has that perfect talent.

[grand mason]

gotcha where can i get the white death?

[burnt bone]

Uhhhh I think it’s just a random LZ drop

You can focus marksman rifles in countdown or retals or smth, or find someone to farm the houndsman bounty. That drops lots of white deaths

[grand mason]

gotcha can i also focus it on the summit then?

[burnt bone]

Yeah

[grand mason]

ive been just focusing on getting a hotshot gear ill swap it once i get the last piece

[burnt bone]

[subtle bluff]

You do need white death. Any MMR's that isn't semi auto speed will work fine.

[flint junco]

Anyone have a decent shield build?? Trying to get caught up and i'm getting STOMPED rn on console...would appreciate any pointers.

[burnt bone]

I was trying to think of their names but my memory failed me 😔 (and he means you *don’t need it @grand mason)

[subtle bluff]

A better shield, cover.

Bullets hurt. Trying to tank too many of them isn't a good idea.

[burnt bone]

Uhhh typically you live longer by avoiding damage (using cover) and killing things faster, but some builds have decent shields.

Heartbreaker probably has a stronger shield on average

[flint junco]

It's not for lacking of trying tbh....Trust me....last time I played was around warlord of NY drop so....my stuff is WAY out of date :kekw

[subtle bluff]

There in the guide iirc.

[burnt bone]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeLeb8_c6w6DY-0qwVuKUfaCjp27f9wrv0_H6g2Ah98/edit?usp=drivesdk

[subtle bluff]

What SHD are you?

[flint junco]

47

[subtle bluff]

We need to update that.

[burnt bone]

What’s changed 👀

[subtle bluff]

If you go to Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > look for Starter Guide

[burnt bone]

Oh probably overdogs

[subtle bluff]

Not too much just add ons

[burnt bone]

Like more build variations

[junior lagoon]

ok so i was testing the bluscreen-dilemna build. it is great when 10 guys are rushing to you from far awat but whren they are close from all around it is very soft

the mark and stacke etc... is very slow. you dont have that time

[runic rapids]

oh guess who capped her watch? def makes future builds easier

[subtle bluff]

Why overdogs are huge for it and why at least why I keep EMP sticky on me.

Read the talent again.

[burnt bone]

Heck yeah

But Emily… it looks like you have the wrong They’re/there/their there…

[runic rapids]

better? 😆

[burnt bone]

yes haha

[rich lotus]

What are some good armor pieces to rock with foundry bulwark set

[subtle bluff]

Tanking bullets isn't the way.

[frail halo]

For hotshot build would it be worth running turnmoils for it or nah?

[smoky sigil]

Tinkerer rifle builds anyone?

[foggy imp]

Anyone know why the chameleon doesn’t have the 3 hexagons next to the weapon anymore

[rich cosmos]

I think a bug for a lot of talents

[burnt bone]

Probably not

[subtle bluff]

It hard to at first. Normally the easier way is swapping on turmoil after you stack your HH.

[subtle bluff]

They bugged a lot of stuff out with this mini season patch.

[smoky sigil]

As far as talents go, I have determined w/ streamline on my secondary for tink

Is there any better options?

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs tends to be better for HH rifles

[hazy steeple]

But Tink can work in like, most cases. It's pretty good.

[smoky sigil]

And as far as the next best rifle after 1986, why do yall prefer?

[smoky sigil]

What do you run as your secondary talent?

[hazy steeple]

Haven't tried a Tink Rifle build yet, but you can slap it on with most setups that focus on damage dealing.

I'm sure there's a link in the spreadsheet somewhere with one made up.

[smoky sigil]

Thank ya

[burnt bone]

Can you do determined and rifleman

That’s the headshot one right

[smoky sigil]

Yessir

I got close to 40mil (with the event ofc) w/ 1886 determined & streamline

I finally got tink mask today, so just experimenting and trying different builds

[vernal gazelle]

what does the little orange star mean above my overall damage?

[smoky sigil]

Guten morgan

[vernal gazelle]

gute nacht more like it

no actually you are right

ahh the star means mvp in that category, they should show healing aswell in this instead of revives

[signal frigate]

Question are tank builds viable in this game ?

[cerulean smelt]

for maybe 1 role in Iron Horse for the most part

[solar sable]

outside of IH, no.

[signal frigate]

Sounds about right

So either dps skill or support thats the main builds to have

[cerulean smelt]

game doesn't really have a "taunt" system. even if you go full blue and wear 2 piece Imminince was it? that generates 100% threat a glass cannon user still gets all the hate

[sinful maple]

AFAIK building around specific talents and defense against elites works quite well though

[cerulean smelt]

if you're responding to me about me saying there's no taunt in game. not sure what your comment has to do with my comment

[sinful maple]

No, I was responding to the comment that asked if tanks were viable in this game

Adrenaline on backpack and threat on chest piece, with defense against elite around 70~80% would make anyone tanky enough for any content rn

[vernal gazelle]

anyway i could improve weapon damage a bit without having to sacrifice skilldamage? my drone is doing decent damage and obviously im healing more than anything, maybe its better to switch waveform out for a glasscanon chest piece?

[obsidian lava]

this backpack sounds too good, lol.

[cerulean smelt]

pvp uses it, pve people laugh at you

[obsidian lava]

Haha. I need a striker build, Got a better momento backpack. Going to farm the rest of the striker set tomorrow

[subtle bluff]

☝️

Read

[vernal gazelle]

perfect glasscanon seems a bit crazy without any you know like additional armor

[subtle bluff]

More armor would be worth using. You're getting free heals anyways.

[shy willow]

It's not about being tanky enough it's about being tanky not having any utility

[half cedar]

Best in category

[signal frigate]

Hey question is there any really good support builds or its not as big of a deal

[solar sable]

EP Foam and FI Healer are the most used

[signal frigate]

Does anyone have a build for it ?

That i can get a template of ?

[solar sable]

Take a look at them in the pinned Spreadsheet

[signal frigate]

Ive tried the problem is that its not working

Maybe i gotta open it on pc ?

[solar sable]

FI Healer

Eclipse Protocol

[signal frigate]

Thank you

[edgy solstice]

Do the Overdog Gloves (amplifies weapon damage by 30% to lowest ranking enemy) boost the 112% damage done to other marked enemies when running 4pc Negotiator's Dilemma with backpack? Like for a marked Engineer, if I'm targeting a Tank does that Engineer take the combined damage boosts?

[scenic whale]

Negotiators' dilemma can bypass the restrictions of overdogs yeah

it only cares about what damage is being dealt to the main target then transfers that over

So if say you do 1 mil base and Odogs gives 30% (simple example), shooting an assault would yield you 1.3, but a tank wouldnt since priority. If you mark both then start mag dumping the assault the tank also takes 1.3 mil

[junior lagoon]

Why is bluescreen used in those builds?

[scenic whale]

easy to spread marks, you can CC an entire room with it if you drop a hive or fire a sticky bomb EMP into the void

[edgy solstice]

Ok thanks

[signal frigate]

What do we think about harriers pride does it have the capability to be meta ?

[solar sable]

I think Memento is just better

[buoyant perch]

No in your example.

[signal frigate]

Hey so im making the future intiative build how am I suppose to play it just wondering

[cerulean smelt]

please math nerds enlighten this poor soul on how or why this works
Holster is spot on for the 48% accuracy but he does say we can use another item like equalizer or other stuff that'd benefit us

[signal frigate]

Whats the best way to get mods for your skills i genuinely need to know

[cerulean smelt]

retaliations and countdown with skill mod target loot like everything else in the general pool

course if you want the slow method. summit legendary difficulty

mind you, you'll still get challenging or heroic difficulty drops in legendary so pick a difficulty and farm away

[signal frigate]

Thank you

[scenic whale]

I think that’s just clickbait man

[livid sorrel]

if you dont mind having a less accurate gun then something that directly increases damage like equalizer is better

i'm not even going to talk about the clickbait, the backpack is not that good

[signal frigate]

Okay so I have 5 fully decked out builds
dps striker
Tipping scales LMG
Future intiative
Refractor solo
Refractor group

Do we think this pretty much a good rotation for all pve content in the game ?

[solar sable]

these are my builds

[livid sorrel]

FI is a support build, i'd only use it in a group, refactor depends on how you build it for dmg or team heals
cmiiw ive only started dabbling in yellow builds recently

[solar sable]

you basically just heal the team whenever they are low and apply Scorpio, Sledge and Opp on enemies

[cerulean smelt]

played long enough. kind of figured click bait and probably just a bad build or a "tank all blue build" but when he said red i was like yeah sure buddy. it's the build he showed and i'm like um, it shouldn't work but it does somehow?

[signal frigate]

Basically made one for solo and one for group with refactor

[signal frigate]

Yeah i found out how to do jt

I just need to make pvp builds now and then im good

[livid sorrel]

what's the highest diff he used it on lmao

[cerulean smelt]

Legendary

[livid sorrel]

Oh

[subtle bluff]

🧐

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, why i'm like math nerds help me understand how or why this seems to work

[signal frigate]

The only thing that peaks my intrest is the birdie backpack but a lot of ya said its not necessary to use

[subtle bluff]

what am I missing?

It's something you build around

I hotswap to it all the time.

[cerulean smelt]

it's only use currently. hot swap to instantly pick someone off the ground

[signal frigate]

Ah I see

[livid sorrel]

he's using oxpecker for the shield regen

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, getting the harrier blue buff and red buff it seems

[livid sorrel]

wait does harrier stack on shield hits

[cerulean smelt]

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwGrRoVSeOs 0:34 gain blue stacks on shield hits and repairing the shield with oxpecker for unlimited or something along those lines. you see him toy with a chunga let his shield go in the low numbers. shoot oxpecker repair his shield all the way his blue stacks going up, his red going up slowly

[subtle bluff]

Just go tech tank it does better

Killing quicker then not needing to tank too much

[livid sorrel]

also he has 20 expertise on his oxpecker

[subtle bluff]

No

Tech can take more and dish more out.

[woeful zodiac]

Is TS with Equalizer and Sawyers Kneepads good?

[livid sorrel]

Yeah i know, that's how it looks good to the average viewer

[cerulean smelt]

equalizer yes, sawyers not really

but with the ambush you have sawyers already but better percentage of weapon damage 😹

[subtle bluff]

Sawyers Kneepads is just bad.

It's more of trap

[smoky latch]

Hey, it's a perfect fit with the Ambush event right now :p

[subtle bluff]

@cerulean smelt @solar sable Dien made it easier.
https://dienakakim.net/a/mrchows-starter-guide

[smoky latch]

Nice

[cerulean smelt]

nods remember glancing it once and got it saved. at least the link to it

[subtle bluff]

I should update teh game FAQ stie one

[cerulean smelt]

think doomz posted it along with a picture of other useful links from his phone

[mint shore]

I like bruiser builds like the TechTank but I don't enjoy high mobility gameplay. I prefer to turtle and engage at distance which is why I just can't appreciate Memento even though I acknowledge its strength. I'm currentl running HB, Overdogs and Ceska because I think its the best flavor of bruiser I've tried.

It doesn't need to rely on mobility. HB backpack improves my bonus armor gain and if I stock up on another blue core, it still won't feel to bad because of Overdogs.

Just curious if anyone has a sense of the build I'm trying for and if they have recommendations.

[undone quartz]

catharsis only comes with incoming repairs/armor regen right? Cant reroll to other stats?

[mint shore]

I've tried Strikers + Deathgrips to improve armor on kill but I found that it was still too flimsy. The shield on HB is much stronger and the added bonus armor makes its survivability arguably the best among TechTanks.

[smoky latch]

Static attributes

[subtle bluff]

Get Ceska BP with Vigilance or use Memento it does a lot other ways

[subtle bluff]

There better than Deathgrip..

[smoky latch]

There are only one, maybe two exotics that can have varying attribute - definitely Acosta's Kneepads, maybe another one

[subtle bluff]

AoK on HB is pointless

[sour prawn]

If I’m using assault turret with artificer hive, should in use btsu gloves or quick fix backpack?

[subtle bluff]

Context?

[cerulean smelt]

quickfix is more of a hot swap to pick someone off the ground then put away again. btus will be fine so will Acosta go bag and tossing a nade for overcharging purposes along with future perfect weapon talent

[mint shore]

Like I said, I don't appreciate Memento much because of how you need to keep moving around so much but I do understand that its arguably the strongest choice.

[cerulean smelt]

think mrchow asked context as in "build?" obviously some sort of skill build

[smoky latch]

Maybe try the new Harrier backpack thingy

Allows for different play styles if I interpret the talent right. Haven't tested it yet

[cerulean smelt]

basically you hit targets 3 times you gain a stack. you take 3 hits you gain a stack. at 80 40 for red 40 for blue i believe? they disappear stack wise and inverse

[subtle bluff]

You don't need to keep moving around just need to have the long buff

I've main Tech Tank for a long long time and master it's in and outs.

[sour prawn]

Thanks <3, I wasn’t sure if the hive efficiency from the backpack would make it a better choice or not

[mint shore]

Do you run HB Memento and Ceska?

[subtle bluff]

What is the context you're trying to do?

[cerulean smelt]

@mint shore the grey in color is the long term buff. as long as you have that and full stacks (picking up a trohpy before it expires) you get that full buff

[subtle bluff]

I have done it all.

[sour prawn]

Refactor skill build

[cerulean smelt]

because how the game does cool downs i assumed that was a cool down before i get all the memento buff and didn't like it at first, but after these guys enlightened me i was like ohhhhhhhhh

[subtle bluff]

Ok, ya neither way is the way you want to go with refactor

[mint shore]

One issue I have with HB is how challenging it feels to build and maintain stacks. Since I prefer to fight at range, I rarely get good opportunities to mag dump with my ACS so I barely get stacks it would seem.

[subtle bluff]

To be good on tech tank you have to match it's playstyle imo

[mint shore]

That is so true.

[cerulean smelt]

i heard Harrier is great if you use an ACS 12

[subtle bluff]

If I'm playing at range I'm just strikers instead easy

Or any red build

[cerulean smelt]

each pellet that hits, so if you hit 6 you gain 2 stacks per shot with the acs 12

[subtle bluff]

This tech tanking at the limit

[mint shore]

Any recommendations for a bruiser striker's? Or would it just be memento again?

[cerulean smelt]

my striker i got saved is 4 strikers, equalizer and salvo. red with chance and damage

[subtle bluff]

Memento ya. It's learning to use cover.

USE not take cover in sense you can but the point.

[subtle bluff]

You see that guide I posted above?

[cerulean smelt]

don't you have a video on div 2 Peeking?

[sour prawn]

What I’m currently using is closest to the third one but I have kinetic momentum on the chest

[cerulean smelt]

i find it's nuts if you go the chance/damage with capacitor. something i slept on for ever because like the memento i didn't understand how it worked 😹

[subtle bluff]

What are you using?

[subtle bluff]

I don't

[sour prawn]

Everything here but I have kinetic momentum on the chest

[cerulean smelt]

guess i didn't put that build here and just directly to localdeck for input 🤔 i decided to try a chance/damage impetus hybrid/skill build. impetus, 2 shiney monkey, 2 hana-u i believe with memento, but i pictured harrier as i was trying it out to figure it's spiel

[cerulean smelt]

so probably a dien video or link of some sort? i just remember someone posting something like that here 😹

[solar sable]

is this the same topic?

[cerulean smelt]

probably

[livid sorrel]

that's pretty much the idea isnt it

[solar sable]

ye

[cerulean smelt]

or there's some structures that looks solid but you move a certain way and your barrel sticks through it and you can shoot through your cover as well isn't it?

[livid bridge]

yeah i get that with certain railings and such, its mental

[solar sable]

oh God I already had the thingy pinned in my phone's Clipboard 😭

[worn elbow]

Good morning good people any build ideas for the new exotic backpack?

[subtle bluff]

Anywhere you’d use Memento you can slot it in there

[cerulean smelt]

stash or component?

[livid bridge]

the harrier? ive seen some videos use it with high end builds but it seems pretty niche plus the blue stacks dont build up fast enough to provide any meaningful help

[worn elbow]

I see thanks y’all I might give it a shot with striker/momento first

[livid sorrel]

the idea is probably build red to get damage reduction then get hit to build blue to get damage but ehhhh

[worn elbow]

Honestly the only problem I see with kinda slow stacking

[cerulean smelt]

i posted this askign the math nerds to help me figure this out, but seems it's just the usual clickbaity thing 😹 #td2-build-advice message

i assumed blue build and it's just oxpecker keeping them up. but one he showed his build i'm like wait what?!

[worn elbow]

I rarely seen an oxpecker build that much I stashed it

[livid bridge]

yup, i tried it with a high end build and with my HB build. its really not that good right now

[worn elbow]

If they do something about the stacking being slow it could easily be a beast but I don’t see that happening

[subtle bluff]

oxpecker is garage

[subtle bluff]

They won't

[livid bridge]

agreed, the stacking needs to be at least 3 times faster, right now by the time you get 2 or 3 stacks with your weapon, the enemys already dead and the stacks are gone, it needs to fill minimum 3 times faster

[worn elbow]

Sadly ye

[subtle bluff]

It mean it's same and different with Memento

[cerulean smelt]

nods in his video you can see his blue stacks up quickly, red things died before he got it full

[sharp folio]

At this point I don't know what builds youtubers should I be watching honestly, since I'm not good at making builds myself

[cerulean smelt]

neither usually, ikia is great at explaining spreadsheet damage for builds

[subtle bluff]

The Build Hub will have all the general builds

[sharp folio]

I found this build (on youtube),not sure if I should build it after striker honestly

[cerulean smelt]

that the same one posted earlier?

[sharp folio]

I didn't notice it

I just got on discord

[subtle bluff]

There so much on context is missing also him using all Exp 30 stuff other than oxi isn't realist for a newer player to build for.

[sharp folio]

Do you have any shield builds on your channel btw?

That aren't really just for raids

[subtle bluff]

I am not raider at all

Not really at all.

[sharp folio]

First time hearing word "raider" what do you mean by it?

[subtle bluff]

Raiders are people that do Raids

I am not one.

[sharp folio]

No I meant a shield build for like missions and not raids

[subtle bluff]

I know..

Raids don't use shields anyways...

[sharp folio]

Someone told me that shield builds are used for raids before... 😭

[subtle bluff]

He was wrong.

[sharp folio]

Also what snipers should I use for a hotshot build?

[solar sable]

Chow and Naval know Incursion like no others

White Death, M700 Carbon, SR-1 @sharp folio

[sharp folio]

Ty

[cerulean smelt]

think 99.999999% prefer Nemesis,but white death is one i did for a long time until they released handbasket 😹

[sharp folio]

I should have white death but with bad rolls I think?

[smoky latch]

M44 *

[smoky latch]

Run Roosevelt Island 2-3 times and you will get many more

[sharp folio]

Also what talents for it?

[solar sable]

Determined or Streamline if you got good aim

[smoky latch]

IMO Determined solo, anything else in group.

[sharp folio]

I will be playing duo so I guess streamline

[subtle bluff]

You do not Need White Death.

SR1, M700, 308 all work

[smoky latch]

I mean if your buddy is OK with you killing everything alone, no prob

[sharp folio]

Wdym?

[smoky latch]

You will see what I mean when you use Determined

Broken shit talent 😂

[sharp folio]

Oh I have this white death

[solar sable]

Determined in groups kills the... what's it called? The group's mood because you're taking away all the fun and making it boring
Determined is just like that

[smoky latch]

Yeah I don't use it in random mm

[sharp folio]

I don't want to do that?

[subtle bluff]

Any MMR that doesn't have triple number RPM works...

[solar sable]

As INF said, if your buddy is okay with you running Determined go for it

[sharp folio]

I don't even think I have determined or sniper rifles 😭

[solar sable]

Hotshot is really good for solo, for groups go HHF and learn how to use it or plain DPS

[sharp folio]

Or nvm I have it

[solar sable]

I usually run OD for open world and Strikers for leg

[sharp folio]

HHF?

[cerulean smelt]

Head hunter's Fury

basically Chainkiller, with 4 hunter's fury gearset pieces and not sure the last piece, probably your choice?

[solar sable]

if Regulus Douglas bag/DCH

although DCH is for specific stuff so Douglas bag is universal IIRC

[sharp folio]

I think Imma apply the determined to white death then

[smoky latch]

Be ready for some cussing from your buddy, hahaha

[cerulean smelt]

@solar sable corupted you 😹

[sharp folio]

He's a newbie tho 😭

[smoky latch]

:p

[sharp folio]

Or did he? What if I'm lying and I will apply something worse than determined? 🤔

[gentle lichen]

you were always by my side..my guiding determined.

[solar sable]

hey 😭 my aim got severely affected by using Mantis

[sharp folio]

Any ideas on what to change?

[subtle bluff]

Sniper Guide go read it.

That's why you're having issues...

[sharp folio]

Either I'm blind again or I don't see the sniper guide

[subtle bluff]

Build Hub

[sharp folio]

Checked and nothing

[solar sable]

it's under the name "Sniper Setups"

[livid bridge]

where do you find that?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > SHeet 2 > Build Hub

[hoary raptor]

I made this but different backpack and still hits 20m per shot when the hs and determined are active can sometimes 1 hit named bosses when events on too

[subtle bluff]

Ya that works but that why you're only hitting for 20m only

[buoyant perch]

Never settle ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

[livid bridge]

anyone know what the best non exotic pistol is in the game?

[buoyant perch]

Best as in what? Best oneshot damage or general dps or?

[livid bridge]

general dps, i just want it for a quick switch in case im out of ammo and need to swap to take down an enemy

[buoyant perch]

The orbit is a good contender for that

[livid bridge]

the revolver? imma need to get one of those, not had it drop yet, off to countdown i go

[buoyant perch]

Iirc, I don't think it drops in CD

[ocean stirrup]

Is there a general pesitlence tick damage build for a new builder heroic etc

[subtle bluff]

Yes. We have a guide fpr Pesti in the build hub

[misty walrus]

I'd like a suggestion for OD

[subtle bluff]

Same story there a really good guide in the Build Hub for OD

ask aways

[ocean stirrup]

ty

[ocean stirrup]

where is build hub

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > Sheet 2

[ocean stirrup]

I can't see that

[subtle bluff]

Top right. 📌

[ocean stirrup]

yea but which link do i click

oh spreadsheet 2 thanks

[ocean stirrup]

which build am i looking at on that spreadsheet ?

is it pestiolence guide ?

[subtle bluff]

Believe that's the one you were asking about

[sharp folio]

I wanted to ask, how do you get decoy skill?

[subtle bluff]

Wony Manhunt iirc

[sharp folio]

Ok so it seems that burn and explosive sticky bombs are from wony manhunt

[hazy steeple]

Theo has the Decoy, Dragov with the Explosive Sticky, Burn Sticky is Conley, and Kajika has the shrap trap.

[sharp folio]

Thank you

[hazy steeple]

As for the rest of the post-game skills:

Shrap' is from Coney Island AP, and Healing is from Tidal Basin.
(Lau has the Pulse, and the EMP is from the other Roosevelt Island).
They are per-Agent, so if you want them on a new Character, you'll need to go run enough of the Manhunt to get the Skill.```

and of course, Smart Cover is from BfB, both versions.

[undone quartz]

damn didnt realize i didnt have healing trap until now lol

[cerulean smelt]

fun mission 😹

[hazy steeple]

The 4 Manhunts that drop skills are interesting, since you don't always need to finish them to get the Skill.

[cerulean smelt]

unlike how we had to finish the wony ones to get those skills

[cerulean smelt]

thought kajika was shock trap?

[hazy steeple]

yeah shock not shrap, I always get those mixed up because they're both basically worthless.

asishealbutletsnotgetintothatone

I'm excited for the eventual rework of Skills+Spec Trees. Gonna be a big shift in the meta.

[cerulean smelt]

i always remember because we throw it. goes out like 10ish feet. he throws it, it's like his can be throw by 50+ feeet 😹

[cerulean smelt]

spec trees is confirmed?
i've only read gears and weapons?

[hazy steeple]

It's been put on the backburner a while ago, but not cancelled, just "not now".

[cerulean smelt]

fair enough, if it's part of april i'll definintely be excited for that change as well

[hazy steeple]

I kinda doubt it'll be this year, especialy with a DLC to focus on.

[grizzled totem]

Does anyone know how to fix the delta 03 error? I always get this error when interacting with an objective or chest on the mission map, and it started after the last update.

[cerulean smelt]

not in countdown is it? sounds like it could be one of the many there

[grizzled totem]

idk

been happening for about 4 days

[sharp folio]

So I want to ask what does OD (ongoing directive) gear set do?

[shy willow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

Most if not all questions you have regarding gear and builds will be found in this document

[cerulean smelt]

if an enemy is under status effect. teh OD user marks it. when marked enemy dies. the user get 100% magazine of hallow point bullets (bleed) while the team gets 50% of it

[sharp folio]

I saw that there's blue OD build, just not sure "how" you are supposed to buff the team with it

[sharp folio]

I see

[shy willow]

The core mechanic of the set provides the team with a damage amp

[cerulean smelt]

mind you the user of OD doesn't need to do the killing

[sharp folio]

And how do you mark the npcs with status effects?

[shy willow]

With the blue OD build you forsake your DPS for the ability to give bonus armour to your team or provide other support buffs

[shy willow]

Shooting them

[sharp folio]

I see well back to checking those builds

[undone quartz]

Where can i find detail of this?

i never knew they were reworking this 😮

[shy willow]

Ay I won't have shock traps slander

They're unironically great

[cerulean smelt]

you can do something like Banshee pulse. then shoot as many of the ones disoriented to be marked. your team kills them everyone gets hallow point bullets

[cerulean smelt]

long before Resolve they were talking about doing a rework of the specializations, but i think around when heartland was canceled the rework was shelved

[sharp folio]

I will probably convince my friend to go with minigun and banshee pulse in countdown

[undone quartz]

hopefully they bring back the "ultimate" abilities from div 1 😄 i liked that concept

[cerulean smelt]

nods was fun especially with Alpha Bridge classified Gearset 🤤

[shy willow]

Ehh cool concept game breaking busted

[cerulean smelt]

but at this point i doubt them ultimates will make an appearance again

[undone quartz]

they basically replaced that concept with specialization weapons in div2...but specialization weps are so irrelevant in endgame that it shud jus be taken out 😕

[shy willow]

Some of them are good, some terrible

[sharp folio]

I think I might work on a support build instead of the hotshot build for now

[half cedar]

I need some advice

Is it better TS with EQ or TS with Turmoil

https://youtu.be/IvL9Ynhpje8?si=dP-yOSFvmxfGrLRq

the build itself:

ts x4 chest, bag, Mask, Holster
Turmoil
overdogs

[cerulean smelt]

turmoil is a trap btw. was released last year for April Fool's Joke

[subtle bluff]

TS is trap

[cerulean smelt]

with that said, i run turmoil with Negotiator's maining Merciless and another server i'm in someone mentioned Alejandro and Turmoil is pretty OP

[hazy steeple]

that response is like me with banshee in wf lol.

[sharp folio]

Speaking of which, I think blue OD build might work nicely since I run countdown most of the time 😂

[half cedar]

Well i mean my gameplay here speak quit about it

[shy willow]

Ehh I don't buy it with ambush out

[cerulean smelt]

turmoil + alejandro is prety ridiculous

[sharp folio]

How did it work anyway?

[cerulean smelt]

definitely right 😹

[shy willow]

Turmoil just cuts your damage in half and spreads

[half cedar]

I mean sure it does that. At least I dont need to pick everyone 1 by one

[cerulean smelt]

nods if you like big numbers dopamine, then turmoil isn't something you look for 😹

[half cedar]

Negotiator what i pretty didnt like is I need to mark everybody first.

[shy willow]

You can achieve the same thing and have increased damage by running nego

[cerulean smelt]

without the 50% cut and getting 112% damage on transfers

[half cedar]

Only through marked no?

Anybody not marked aint getting dmged with it?

[sharp folio]

So for blue od build the scorpio shotgun is good because it applies venom for 10 seconds and that way you can just get those dmg buffs?

[cerulean smelt]

scorpio used to be great, but they nerfed it slightly

[sharp folio]

If I knew how to survive then I would look for big numbers dopamine

[sharp folio]

How so?

[cerulean smelt]

before resolve. you shot things 7 times you got the damage buff. 7 times is your magazine size. after resolve it's like 9 shots or something along those lines

[half cedar]

9

[shy willow]

Yeah

[sharp folio]

Hmm, now I know that I should use lexington+banshee pulse combo then

[shy willow]

Takes slightly more effort for significantly more damage

[sharp folio]

Or something like that

[subtle bluff]

It use to OP. Now just good.

[grizzled totem]

What's the strongest weapon in the game right now? One that's easy to get

[subtle bluff]

There isnt one

[sharp folio]

Yeah idk which build should I use with my friend once he got those 2 more lvls in countdown

[grizzled totem]

bruh

[subtle bluff]

Overall there isn't

What does strongest mean?

[cerulean smelt]

if you're asking about one shots then it's more about 1 brandset named chest doing the work and rifle or marksman rifle

[grizzled totem]

numbers maybe

[shy willow]

There isn't a single answer

[grizzled totem]

high rpm

[subtle bluff]

Which numbers?

[shy willow]

It changes depending on context

[grizzled totem]

i like assault rifles

[subtle bluff]

Famas

[grizzled totem]

i did a rifle build and its kinda boring

[subtle bluff]

Or s2k

[cerulean smelt]

high rpm, famas, f2k and ctar i think are the highest, then it's police M4, lexington

[grizzled totem]

these are good with a striker build?

[cerulean smelt]

but the truly highest is vektor SMG, Ouroboros, and guess Alejandro

those are the ones people suggest running with striker, but the #1 for 99.9999% is St Elmo

[subtle bluff]

Anything that's+790 rpm is good on strikers

[cerulean smelt]

st elmo is an exotic AR that when you fill up your stacks on it you get a magazine of shock ammo

[hoary raptor]

What’s everyone rocking for the next event? Tech overdrive?

[cerulean smelt]

probably their usual strikers for most people

now that you ask that. 🤔 Tipping Scales with smartcover and Alejandro might be amusing

[vernal viper]

@cerulean smelt tipping scales with Alejandro is sick with Ambush active.

[cerulean smelt]

i know and i added turmoil on build for more fun 😹

[half cedar]

With Smart Cover. Alejandro is talking big game

except for the cooldown being sucky

[half cedar]

Just like me. My man. Found out it is pretty sick dealing with Ads.

[cloud sluice]

Does any BP have the perfect Tech support talent? 🤔

[cerulean smelt]

think all of them as it's a backpack talent, but there is one with a perfect variant of it. the spreadsheet here in this channels in the pin does list all the named items

[cloud sluice]

Ok thanks again 👍

[shy willow]

Battery pack iirc, named empress

But perfect only increases the duration not damage so it's not that useful

[cloud sluice]

Ah ok, Thanks 👍

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i never remember it. i just know some perfect talents it's a slight increase in duration or decrease in cool down or a slight increase in percentage

[dusky edge]

I typically just run an Empress bag with normal Tech Support iirc.

[cerulean smelt]

oh right alps backpack 😹

[shy willow]

Misinfo correction: perf tech support is on percussive maintenance, named alps

Battery pack is perfectly calculated

Ah beat me to it

[cerulean smelt]

what you put sounded right to me as i totally forgot the alps 😹

[ruby trench]

Hello all, i just got back into the game and I am soooo lost on what to do now. I have a lot of content completed but builds ect are all foreign to me. Need some help please. Lots of old gear in the stash, no idea how i can start fresh maybe and get a good solo dps build going.

[smoky latch]

I'd suggest you take a look at these recommended builds. In terms of DPS builds, Striker's is always a good choice,

[ruby trench]

Now i just need to understand how mods and tinkering works

[smoky latch]

I see, your break must have been very long then. There are decent guides on YT or even Reddit

[vernal gazelle]

this does alot more skilldamage than the thing i tried previously and is easier to get going, but i only heal half as strong, i dont know if thats a good trade off

[smoky latch]

Rip it looked better when I made the gif

[sharp folio]

Is waveform really that bad? (yes Idk what talents are good or not yet)

[smoky latch]

It's never the best choice

[vernal gazelle]

i just had it and i get a flat more skilldamage

without much like build up

[sharp folio]

Imma still take it in case my friend will try to use it

[smoky latch]

That new chest piece now changes a few things, I'm just guessing but I think you might get better skill damage results when using Force Multiplier instead

[vernal gazelle]

the chest piece compared to the wyvern backpack does like 27% skilldamage compared to the backpacks 20%, and the 7% are actually huge

[smoky latch]

The chest is fine, it's just about Waveform

[sharp folio]

Yikes the pvp builds in the spreadsheet have the exotics my friend doesn't have 😭

[vernal gazelle]

i stomped someone yesterday with this refatctor build who ran st elmos and striker lmao

bet they deleted the game

[sharp folio]

What does st elmos have as a talent anyway?

Oh wait nvm

[vernal gazelle]

you get shock sometime

and you dont shower as often as others

[sharp folio]

It's good in pvp but shit in pve I assume?

[vernal gazelle]

but like what would be a better alternative, i dont really need to overchage with armor i can use a weapon for that

[smoky latch]

In contrary, pretty good in PvE

You get to CC NPCs every 100 rounds, really good if played well

[sharp folio]

Ah ok thought it's just a pvp gun mainly because of the shock ammo

[vernal gazelle]

its just very meta

[smoky latch]

It's not the best in terms of damage but the CC is pretty good

[signal vale]

whats a better alternative for big alejendro till i can get the stupid exotic gloves overdogs cause game wont drop me them

[sharp folio]

Oh right, if my friend wants to get ninjabike for umbra capacitor pvp build he needs wony for that

[smoky latch]

GR9 w/ Frenzy

Damage wise, but you need to adapt to a different playstyle for high uptime of Frenzy

[signal vale]

word
wanted to do alendro build but most guides keep recommedning the exotic gloves for it to work and i cant get it to drop 🙁

[vernal gazelle]

umbra + capacitor doesnt sound like it makes much sense

[smoky latch]

You can still use Contractor's Gloves instead and use the Big Al

[sharp folio]

Spreadsheet name, not mine

[vernal gazelle]

ahh sorry

i read that wrong, my apologies

[sharp folio]

I would've shown the whole build if not the fact that the whole picture goes bigger

Or nevermind I can show this honestly (I would bet that someone would say to farm retaliations instead of something like countdown for ninjabike so that's why I said that my friend doesn't have wony)

[undone quartz]

any suggested builds for pve bighorn?

[smoky latch]

Bighorn PvE

[silent wadi]

this is the build saved i use alot,the bigger the horn the better

[undone quartz]

Nice one, thx

the gift is a dz exclusive isnt it

rip

[subtle bluff]

Don't need to use the gift.

[undone quartz]

ye will use the standard one

[smoky latch]

Named item caches as well, you can get the blueprint from Descent or Retaliations

[undone quartz]

oh wait, u can get dz blueprints ? 😮

is it the same for matador to?

[smoky latch]

You can get any named item blueprint from Reconstructed Caches which can be earned/bought from Descent and Retaliations

[undone quartz]

dang

[dreamy valve]

Which shotguns can now get headshot damage besides Lockdown for their second attribute

[teal harbor]

Big Al 3rd attribute - damage to health or rof (or another)?

[smoky latch]

CHC

[burnt bone]

WHAT INF SAID

oops

[silent storm]

So is Big Al now the best LMG on TS?

Who mathed it?

[smoky latch]

Idk but I use it with TS rn

And Striker's

[burnt bone]

I think you can put it on every shotgun but you probably shouldn’t because it’s a bug and who knows what’ll happen to your shotguns when the devs fix it 💀

Doesn’t seem like anything else is dropping with it naturally tho

[worn imp]

Is Sherrif good? Just came back to the game after a 4 month break

[mint axle]

It's a shotgun with more precision and no damage reduction from the distance. Nothing special compared to a normal shotgun tbh.

[worn imp]

Soooo what... run hunters fury or something? Can striker sherrif be a thing? lol

[mint axle]

Hf seems to be the only set for shotgun dmg. So yeah.

[hollow torrent]

whats a good build to complement the uic15 in realism mode by chance?

[hollow torrent]

@void steppe dyk?

[void steppe]

I havent touched d2 in a while. Sorry.

[buoyant perch]

There's almost no build in realism mode. Just some minor gear options like more armor less movement speed etc.

[hazy steeple]

I honestly would say the best build in Realism is get really good at well placed headshots.

oh and don't try to use pistols at range.

[hollow torrent]

k

[hollow torrent]

Shouldnt be a problem for me. Just need to ensure I have the ammo for missions

[hazy steeple]

Play it as safe as you can, and use weakpoints as much as possible.

[limpid ocean]

is concentrated company worth using or something like striker?

When in a group of course

[worn imp]

Unless you have your watch maxed out and get extra crit stats and weapon damage from it, just go striker to make up the difference

[magic pilot]

Coco is pretty competitive against striker

[limpid ocean]

I got everything except headshot dmg on my watch

[worn imp]

oh well then u can defo do CoCo shenanigans

[limpid ocean]

I should run coyote right?

[worn imp]

neh. Thats old meta. Overdogs is by far the better choice 90% of the time

[limpid ocean]

Never thought I'd see the day where something is better than coyote

[worn imp]

Does running the Equalizer boost damage for Pesty ticks?

[cedar grotto]

Yep, well im running it with my pesti but with striker, does decent damage but i dont have full lengmo

[worn imp]

So just to be crystal clear: Perfect Obliderate acts as an AMP for the pesty ticks?

[silent storm]

yes but PGC is better

[cedar grotto]

Yep, same as obliterate, just more stacks

[worn imp]

Spoken like a true grass-avoiding minmaxer 😉

[silent storm]

I am one with the PGC and the PGC is with me

[worn imp]

I see, when are you getting married?

[cedar grotto]

Youre not melting everything with 1 tick, but youre stacking faster so there is that, im doing like 700k or something per tick but 1.1M per crit

[silent storm]

The PGC is with me,
And I am one with the PGC;
And I fear nothing,
Because all is as the PGC wills it.

[subtle bluff]

The answer is the same as normally DMG. Pesti dmg is basically the dmg your weapon would do but with no crits.
Obli is TWD just like your Backpack talent would be so they would add to each other. Using something that gives AMP instead would jump that dmg nubmer up more.

This is all explain more or less in the Pesti guide in the build Hub. But if you're watching iKia pesti he explains it too.

[obsidian lava]

Added Armor regen on kill on momento and Impetus armor. How is the build?

[silent storm]

Why not more Yellow Cores?

[obsidian lava]

Should I do more yellow? was going for crits'

[silent storm]

Since you have Chameleon go more Yellow Core then let Striker and Cham make up the WD

And your Shield and Drone will be stronger

[subtle bluff]

Look at the amount of numbers of both Stats of the mods. Then look at your Total Armor.

[silent storm]

Why not Mr. Chow?

[subtle bluff]

Woah... No Rowdy...

You're gonna take always from the build if he goes more into Skill Teirs.

You do not rely chameleon proc's

[obsidian lava]

I'm getting 16k armor regen if I add both. Low, right?

[silent storm]

Why not?

[subtle bluff]

Yes there are very strong but when there not up he's not gonna hit hard at all

[silent storm]

30 HS and 65 BS for max so 2 mags

[subtle bluff]

How long would it regen your armor to a meanful level vs doing more dmg output and taking things off of the field

[silent storm]

I used to do this same build and Mr. Chow showed me why it is wrong the same way he will tell you

[subtle bluff]

Memento is all the armor regen you need in a DPS build.

[obsidian lava]

If, I'm against gold enemies, its gonna be tough. And yeah, I have momento stacks would sustain me anyway, good point

[subtle bluff]

DMG is king.

[obsidian lava]

should I go for crits then?

[subtle bluff]

oh shit. I guess I need to update this.

[obsidian lava]

Bacon armor was super good tho

[subtle bluff]

ty for checking that fo rme.

[silent storm]

I am a fan of Chameleon because yes it needs to ramp but once it does it allows goofy builds to work simply by how strong it is after

I also play a lot of solo so take that as you will

[subtle bluff]

Chameleon just requires a playstyle to match it to bring it's potential.

[silent storm]

Like this one is CHC so just from watch and gun I get 39.5% CHC

[obsidian lava]

How are the stats?

[silent storm]

Then I have this one with DttooC so I can use it in Countdown on my WH Striker build

[silent storm]

You need a better Chest. If you are going to go PKM you need to dedicate more Skill DMG to your Drone. If not you need a chest with WD

Skill Tiers will get you more Drone DMG and Striker and Cham will make up a good bit of WD, but as it stands PKM is pointless with what you have and Armor Regen is also wasted slot

[subtle bluff]

very very low. Have you farm your library already?

[silent storm]

Yeah, let us see the Library

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't need to show it.

[silent storm]

If they want to

[subtle bluff]

If not farmed out. In this guide should explain more of it:
https://dienakakim.net/a/mrchows-starter-guide

[buoyant perch]

Dien has a domain now? 🙀

[subtle bluff]

It's just hyperlink it goes to Gdoc still

[silent storm]

Crossplay is going to boost Division 2 so much as Destiny dies lol

I just hope Survival is as good as I want it to be

And they do actually get a good anticheat and ban cheaters

[hexed hollow]

Guys, back to the game after being gone awhile where can I find this St. Elmos that everyone is ranting about lol

[silent storm]

Everywhere !!!

[hexed hollow]

looks under table Not here though

[silent storm]

This is how I got mine

[subtle bluff]

Funny enough an M4 w/Killer will look better..

[silent storm]

Do Retals. Do open world, Do anything and St Elmo can drop.

[silent storm]

Police M4 is great and all but have you tried Pyromaniac with Cherished Chest or Ceska Trauma on Striker build? Boost it with Creeping Death and nothing shoots at you for 10 seconds as you meticulously kill everything in front of you

I love Pyromaniac, for about a year it was my favorite AR paired with Bakers Dozen

@cerulean smelt Pyromaniac is a Police M4

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but your statement doesn't make sense

[silent storm]

Yeah it does I was getting 3 Status Effects on enemies

[subtle bluff]

I've seen it. Effort rather just burn things down.

[cerulean smelt]

tell us how you're doing the 3 status effects?

[silent storm]

Trauma is Bleed and Blind and every 3rd kill lights enemies on fire

[subtle bluff]

I mean the way players would do is Firesticky

Wasting Chest talent is dumb.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i know, but still sounds like a long roundabout way of playing eclipse

[silent storm]

Trauma is not a wasted chest slot sorry I disagree there

[deep tulip]

PVE TEch build?

[subtle bluff]

It's less DMG overall

[silent storm]

More CC overall

[subtle bluff]

To do a trick.....

to target you can just melt normally

[cerulean smelt]

uh, it is. you shoot a head, cherished goes on cooldown, the moment you blind an enemy it gets spread by creeping death that also goes on cool down

[silent storm]

Been rocking this to great effect

[smoky latch]

🎩 🐰

[subtle bluff]

I'm moving on.

[silent storm]

Mr. Chow hates my builds lol

[cerulean smelt]

i agree

[runic rapids]

do we know when the build tool will be updated for the new items?

[smoky latch]

As long as you have fun everything is fine

[silent storm]

It's not about fun it's about the build is good

[subtle bluff]

I'm trying slowly. The main dev is away and I'm not a dev for the sites to do everything.

[subtle bluff]

Don't hate, if you're having fun go for it.

I am just stating it's not good. Your trading off talents for a temp boost in the trade of more or less dmg overall.

As always keep saying almost anything is viable up to solo heroics. Doesn't mean it's good.
And atm with these GE anything is viable.... When I am able to clear a section or 2 with EP build on leggo that's dumb.

[cerulean smelt]

wait seriously?

[runic rapids]

all good! just glad its happening. take as much time as you need.

[silent storm]

I am Refactor I am not a DD I am not a healer I am Support. So if I can Blind and Bleed enemies every 20 seconds, which I feel is bugged because sometimes it is longer than 20 seconds for CD. BUT. Setting up a healing Turret and Drone with the ability to Blind an entire spawn of enemies is bad build, what are you building for?

[cerulean smelt]

what happened to this every 10 seconds?

[silent storm]

10 secs is CD on backopack

[cerulean smelt]

but yeah, there's a range limit on creeping death so entire spawn isn't feasible either

[silent storm]

When you hit a door spawn it is the entire spawn

10 meters is a big area

[subtle bluff]

It's some effort with trial and error. I forgot to clip it.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but like view point museum you blind/bleed the first 4 in front of you the others about 20ish+ by the door you go through in the first room wont' be affected so your statement is very situational but you don't mention that you only think of those very small to slim chances

[subtle bluff]

All that effort and EP just clears it all with one Skill shot.

weeeee we did teh same thing with less effort.

[silent storm]

Cherished is 20 seconds, supposedly, so you get another CC then

[silent storm]

Debatable

[cerulean smelt]

better yet, we don't worry about cooldowns on chest/backpack talents 😹

[silent storm]

Hey I am not saying that my Refactor build will end DPS builds, I build it in tandem with them

[silent storm]

I built it so that DPS doesn't go down so much

Healing and CC provided by me so my DPS can go HAM

I want my DPS to go HAM

So we can end the fight fast in a hurry

So I need to CC the spawns, and I need to heal the DMG my DPS take

[cerulean smelt]

debatable as the turret can't be placed anywhere and hit everything 😹

[silent storm]

Turret can be placed anywhere you want ?

[subtle bluff]

I should update this without modifiers and on Heroic.

[cerulean smelt]

re-read what i typed fully
do it slowly letter by letter you'll undestand eventually

[silent storm]

First off that isn't "Normal" or everyone would just run that

[cerulean smelt]

that's normal, no global event

hell, a fresh level 40 could run it and it'll still just work

[silent storm]

So why aren't people just running that all the time?

[silent storm]

What did you say?

[cerulean smelt]

it has it's restrictions. warhounds/mini tanks, chungas are pretty immune to the fire damage. sure chunga still burn but they brute force through it and continue to fire at people anyways

[silent storm]

I use Assault Turret what do you mean?

[cerulean smelt]

well, i said you can't place the turret anywhere and have it hit everything. enemies goes to a basement floor the assault can't shoot at them, npc runs behind a wall turret can't shoot at them

[silent storm]

And Assault Turret chews them boys up

[subtle bluff]

People should it's fun build.

EP is normal!

[silent storm]

So, pick it up and then move it. You thinkI am just randomy throwing my turret somewhere and forgetting about it? It is my weapon, I am with it

[cerulean smelt]

while you do that refactor isn't healing too well so your dps will go down while you're moving your turret 😹

[silent storm]

Debatable, still have my Dtone out shooting shit and they can survive a few seconds while I reloacate

As you can see I have adequate duration to last any fight in the game

Do my Drones ket killed? Sometimes, but 18.7 seconds later there they are again

[shy willow]

I wanna mention that the firewall double barrel talent allows you to burn chungas

This is mostly inconsequential but it is quite fun to see

[silent storm]

And I have only 24% Skill Haste on my build simply because I didn't get a better roll.

[cerulean smelt]

a good future initiative player can keep dps healed and buff them at the same time with less ammo for healing

[shy willow]

In any case, Eclipse Protocol is right there at the top of the meta with FI and striker

[silent storm]

I have FI as well

[obsidian lava]

Just switched off the game, I'll show it tomorrow

[deep tulip]

I’m a returning player not much past level 40 and prefer skill build Can someone send me a loadout to run?

[silent storm]

This is my FI build but I only do this when we are really struggling

[cerulean smelt]

there's a few in the pins in the upper right hand corner here

[smoky latch]

Turret drone or which skills?

[deep tulip]

Cluster seeker and armour regen drone

[smoky latch]

Armor Regen:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18s3Gr5fZ3DvuA55xeBSyc_2SIusmfMULotivkSfs4xQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

[silent storm]

Refactor

[shy willow]

Not a particularly strong combo tbh

[cerulean smelt]

you can try Rowdy's youtube spiel of Refactor skill build that's OP and makes everyone immmortal

[silent storm]

Refactor is a Skill Build and a Healer combo

[shy willow]

For seekers people usually build hard wired, armour regen is another story which the fixer drone isn't a part of

[silent storm]

Abuse it to get all the gear you really want

[smoky latch]

Seeker spam:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1GN69iUrteLediJjwFtT9-MBe8HRBgyCHascJtok1Q-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

[cerulean smelt]

nods @hexed steppe has a mortar supremacy build that utilizes cluster seeker

[cerulean smelt]

that's what striker does in a fraction of the time you use refactor for

i built my differently with named empress chess that i've been lucky with to get my cluster seeks back quite a bit but have had time where it's been on a long cool down too with mortar on long cool down 😹

[silent storm]

Striker is great. I have played Striker for 2 games and loved it and still have a great Striker build to this day.

[silent storm]

But Striker gets real boring real quick

[frail halo]

And what do u call this build?

[cerulean smelt]

future initiative healer build

[deep tulip]

😂🤷🏻‍♂️ I’m just running with what ever and it’s ok lol

[frail halo]

Ah

[cerulean smelt]

just a horribly nerfed one because of ninja bike backpack

[frail halo]

I normally never run builds with yellow cores I’m a damage man. Although I may dabble in a tank build since I hate dying so gosh darn much. Even when I’m behind cover theirs always some bs enemy that counters you when ur behind cover whether it be rushers or grenade dudes or brute grenade dudes or war hounds with spamming grenades or just black husk in general literally they can burn just burn I hate them so much. At least on legendary worse idea ever was to attempt to solo legendary capital

[cerulean smelt]

yeah. legendary is a different beast. i mostly cheesed district union arena when i was able to. now i doubt i could cheese it as much

[frail halo]

Granted all the above applies to heroic difficulty I get melted when theirs a stupid grenade spam dude with a grenade launcher or when the turret spams grenades I swear they do so much damage. They instant one shot my armor so annoying. Granted I also am doing all directives so xp goes brrrrr. An armor break is aids

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if they ever got around to fixing armor break

[smoky latch]

Press X to doubt

[frail halo]

Nah even when I use an armor kit sometimes it doesn’t remove the debuff. I have to logout and back in or reset the game state of it work properly

[deep tulip]

I’m playing challenging

[smoky latch]

If it bugs out down yourself or travel to a safe zone

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, that's what i doubted they fixed yet or will ever fix

[deep tulip]

I haven’t played for the best part of 3 years so I’m re learning the game.