td2-build-advice

[misty walrus]

got determined still cant one shot her

[buoyant perch]

Even with 1 bil determined damage, you still can't oneshot, must break helmet first

[subtle bluff]

One with a helmet?

As taro said.

[misty walrus]

jeeze

[subtle bluff]

The dmg amount doesn't matter.

Btw this is the meta build.
Weapons are w/e.

[misty walrus]

airaldi does improve hs and mr damage???

[uncut elbow]

What site do people use to make builds?

[subtle bluff]

The reason for Aialdi is because we have so much HSD already.

[subtle bluff]

There in the pinned messages.

[dapper glacier]

hello peeps quick one after months of not playing I came back and would like to know if strikers builds are still good? and I want to ask if there's a better one for damage?

[subtle bluff]

Yes it's still strikers for top dps.

There are things that can be close ish to it.

[hexed steppe]

It has cc built in instead of tick damage.
I'm not 100 which specific burst is better, but that info should be available on the pinned sheet>weapons tab.
I would try both because the feel of the weapon is going to determine which you will use better, regardless of whats on paper.

Personally I use bluescreen a lot even tho its probably lower damage than either. Handling and cc from it are phenomenal tho .

[subtle bluff]

Iron Lung dmg wise beats out elmo.

[hexed steppe]

Iron vs pesti?

[subtle bluff]

Due to no crit pesti is gonna be lower.

Context build TS?

[hexed steppe]

I think striker iirc

Its from yesterday

[copper yarrow]

@onyx sage this okay?

[subtle bluff]

You'd want CHC to match Elmo.

[copper yarrow]

it's 60% with this gun

okay sorry 60 with both elmo and GR9

[subtle bluff]

Yeah Iron Lung beats Elmo reference wise.
Pesti dps isn't great in general.

[subtle bluff]

I go with more CHD mods on my GR9

[copper yarrow]

Okay got it, CHD instead of accuracy and stab

[subtle bluff]

If you need it sure try them but the idea of going to the GR9 Frezny.
Tbh I forget how my GR9 is setup.

[copper yarrow]

Let me know whenever you can please!

[subtle bluff]

Here.

[copper yarrow]

Why salvo instead of OVD

[subtle bluff]

That’s how Dien has his setup I believe. I run overdogs

[copper yarrow]

Got it. Thanks man

[magic pilot]

Salvo is to make sure GR9 is synced with frenzy

[subtle bluff]

This is me.

[hexed steppe]

All roads lead to overdogs

[lost wren]

overdogs is very strong but can fall off slightly in legendary where you need to prioritize targets that pose a greater threat to you and don’t fall into the lowest tiered enemy requirement for the amp damage to work

some also just prefer the consistency and prefer for their damage to work on all targets at all times

this is by no means a slight towards ovd, it’s still probably one of the best pve exotics in the game but just some notes to keep in mind

[smoky latch]

Well said

[copper yarrow]

What does that mean

[smoky latch]

Making sure Frenzy doesn't run out before your mag is empty I think

To make the most of it

[lost wren]

striker can do it without because of the +15 fire rate it has, without it you need salvo

i don’t know the exact fire rate you’d need on gr9 frenzy though

[magic pilot]

If the gun empties too slow or fast your next mag won't have frenzy active since it doesn't refresh

You want to time your empty with the uptime of frenzy basically

[copper yarrow]

Bruh

So that means if I activated frenzy and empty the mag before frenzy deactivates, I won't have frenzy on the next mag?

[bold leaf]

Correct

[copper yarrow]

Wow that makes no sense lol. Why would they make it like this

[smoky latch]

It doesn't refresh on reload while the timer is still running

[onyx depot]

@lost wren thanks. I'll give it a go. Much obliged

I'm shd lvl 360 I believe

[copper yarrow]

Man that sucks

[onyx depot]

@buoyant perch lvl 360

[buoyant perch]

Your dz should be really dead. SHD 0-1000 has their own DZ.

[onyx depot]

Really so just other low lvl players then.

[magic pilot]

There's a lot of talents like this but most of them suck

[lost wren]

or just nothing at all, most pvpers are shd 1001+

[hexed steppe]

I kinda disagree. Not with the need to prioritize to benefit, but the fact that they fall off in higher content. If it was replacing a chest or bag talent I would 💯 agree, but its not replacing any talent. its basically free pgc on the correct targets, and just your normal setup minus 1 brand bonus on the high rank targets. its never really a great idea to not run them on dps unless youre running another exotic like memento/tinkerer. The benefit is way to strong. Jmho 🍻

[misty marsh]

Can anyone recommend me a good loadout besides striker+coyote+equalizer?

Looking for something to pair with my Lexington+killer with scorpio

[lost wren]

i agree hence why i said "slightly", it's still a very solid option that will honestly still rip through with the huge amp damage

[hexed steppe]

Striker/overdogs/equalizer or glass

[hexed steppe]

Or replace the striker pieces with nego. Still overdogs tho

[deep fossil]

does turmoil proc camadarie mark talent?

[smoky latch]

No

It randomly picks an enemy within range and you can't influence that

Negotiator's Dilemma does mark enemies. But since marks are still bugged you won't often times see who is marked

[hexed steppe]

I haven't had issues with nego marks

[smoky latch]

Do they not disappear after a few seconds when you are not aiming at marked enemies?

I'm referring to this:
https://discord.com/channels/863058244934696961/1451172943760724060

[hexed steppe]

I haven't noticed.

[smoky latch]

I don't use ND often but I'll see if it's affected or not. Everything else pretty much is

[hexed steppe]

I've commonly had the status effects icons not show tho.

[smoky latch]

It also affects gear set markers, maybe not all of them

[hexed steppe]

Nego marks i can see ticking down as time passes. I dont always look for the marks because i use a lot of audio cues to know there was a death and I need to mark something else.
Hf marks also seem fine fwiw

[smoky latch]

ND marks are also no longer constantly visible

I need to find better hotkeys to record clips

[shy terrace]

is concentrated company good

[smoky latch]

Yes

More in group play than solo play tho

[shy terrace]

cause i have like 15 pieces of each cause of the season and idk if its good or not

[shy terrace]

is a vest or backpack recommended

[smoky latch]

Just the backpack due to increased damage

Similar to Striker's basically. Chest only increases stacks

[shy terrace]

cause some builds benefit way more from a backpack or vest

[shy terrace]

alright

thanks man

[smoky latch]

Np

[subtle bluff]

The more technical answer to help you with other question in the future is that, Turmoil is doing the dmg not your weapon for the split dmg. That talent and many other needs the weapon to do the dmg to proc.

[marsh river]

or people like me who have insanely terrible attention span and have been using overdogs for ages and still dont even know what a marked target looks like..

yeah i wear them. because they are the best. do i use them? sometimes, if im lucky. i dont really know.

🫃

in all seriousness, i think the game chosing the target for me, is inherently a bad design loop. i will shoot whatever is the most convenient at any given time, not whatever is randomly marked for a debuff and possibly less convenient target

i prefer to be the one making such decisions

[smoky latch]

Just don't use them then 😄

[shy terrace]

what guns to use with CC other than ARs

have too many ar builds

[smoky latch]

Depends on your build

CC builds often use Scorpio tho

Everlasting Gaze for status effects is also nice

[shy terrace]

i also found out i have a god roll turmoil

[subtle bluff]

that's normal

[smoky latch]

It comes god rolled

[shy terrace]

oh

[subtle bluff]

same with lex and broker

[smoky latch]

99% of the time you get one of those special items they come god rolled. The other 1% you need to optimize one stat a tiny bit to be maxed out

[shy terrace]

got it

i tried iron lung out of pure curiosity and get around 600k crit bodyshot damage

its unoptimised as well

[smoky latch]

That LMG is nice for DPS builds to get some CC, similar to what Elmo does

[smoky latch]

Nope, good sir

IDK how that doesn't upset more people 😂

New players won't realize but veterans should

[shy terrace]

is oxpecker underrated, it was my first exotic and thought it was complete trash

[subtle bluff]

No it's trash.

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung.
It does it better than Elmo imo due it's uptime.

[subtle bluff]

I don't get either of your posts.

[hexed steppe]

I almost wonder if thats more a feature than a *bug. I can see in your video it isnt working like before, so thats fair. it was kinda like wall hacks before seeing the debuff through the wall as you close in. Establishing line of sight showing the debuff seems appropriate imho.
When I've seen status, like fire, bug out, its even when youre looking right at them.

Ill double check later if nego is doing the los thing and im just not noticing.

[hexed steppe]

Has to do with the hf debuff indicator disappearing when you dont have line of sight. It used to show through any obstacles as long as you were in range

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

But nego is being used. It's just a viable bug right?

[smoky latch]

Yes, just visible but hella annoying

[grand urchin]

If i use tinkerer with a hotshot build would be good to use streamline and determined or is tinkerer not worth it with hotshot

[hexed steppe]

only if you dont use skills, streamline is solid but if you use skills a lot its a loss

[subtle bluff]

Overdog is a lil better in that case.

[grand urchin]

Yea nah i don't use them at all only revive hive and smart cover if at all

[grand urchin]

I kinda thought but wasn't sure that why i wanted to ask

[subtle bluff]

To note it's active or on CD for streamline.

[hexed steppe]

determined + optimist tho.. but i agree, dogs is the better option

[grand urchin]

In what build would tinkerer work the best?

[hexed steppe]

ongoing directive

build like dps with sadist +killer/measured/pressure point

[grand urchin]

Appreciate it

[subtle bluff]

There a full guide to it in the build hub

for OD.

[silent storm]

Score!!

[grand urchin]

Ty imma have a look so far i got only 2 builds 😬 striker and hotshot

[hexed steppe]

you really should mark some stuff as favorite. would hate to see that nbb get turned into a component

[silent storm]

I have another one that is maxed so I can crush that one if I want to

[hexed steppe]

should crush both

[grand urchin]

I kinda mark everything as favorite that i wanna keep just in case 💀💀

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its real easy to lose stuff to your library without realizing it

[grand urchin]

It happened once but looking back it wasn't really that bad 🤣

[silent storm]

Is it a known glitch where you get an item from a reconstructed cache and a different BP?

[buoyant perch]

they are separate drops, not a glitch

[silent storm]

It literally says that you get the item and it's BP from the cache though

[buoyant perch]

just a text error

[silent storm]

kind of a big error huh

[buoyant perch]

not really, once you get the bp, you can already craft unlimited items, you don't need one singular item

[hexed steppe]

@astral kraken , will this due if no BK?

[subtle bluff]

I haven't ran it with Turmoil but I'll use GR9 on 2nd with Elmo Primary.

I don't like cheese but it would work if you're not in front of everything.

[magic pilot]

Frenzy won't sync

[silent storm]

Why not?

[buoyant perch]

Just use the thing and you will see

[silent storm]

GR9 with Frenzy is raw power

[smoky latch]

It's about the uptime of the talent

[silent storm]

9 seconds is almost the entire belt

[smoky latch]

But if it's too short or too long you won't get the buff on next reload

[silent storm]

?

You always get the buff from empty

[hexed steppe]

its syncs fine actually. maybe a bullet or 2 left when talent drops and reprocs on reload.

[buoyant perch]

Not always

[solar sable]

I can confirm its doesnt activate always

[silent storm]

I've never noticed it not activating

[buoyant perch]

Yeah I recall average said it's more of a problem with nego rather than striker

[hexed steppe]

i mean, its on a striker setup with +15% rof

so why it wouldnt sync idk

[subtle bluff]

Even on Nego with RoF 5% Around 170-180 Frenzy turns off for GR9 200 rds

[buoyant perch]

you still lose up time with the last few bullets

[hexed steppe]

looks pretty synced to me

[onyx sage]

striker 15% syncs fine

it's more on nego, striker doesn't have this problem

[magic pilot]

Ah ok

[silent storm]

Even on TS it's the same abouts

[magic pilot]

@hexed steppe when are we running incursion now?

[hexed steppe]

you mean when are you carrying me through incursion

[magic pilot]

Sure, but you have to be one of the shooters for oneshots

[hexed steppe]

ive never even ran an incusrion

[onyx sage]

me neither

[buoyant perch]

what's an incursion?

[onyx sage]

baby don't hurt me

[hexed steppe]

got 3 oreo tho

[buoyant perch]

is that something you can eat?

[hexed steppe]

sure, just need false teeth after

[magic pilot]

I usually eat the whole pack

[junior lagoon]

Is this optimizable or too expensive?

This

[smoky latch]

Will cost quite a bit, depends on if have many materials or if it will be lacking for more important things

[solar sable]

id say the whole thing will cost at least 200 FRD

[junior lagoon]

yeah

[silent storm]

FRD is easy to get

[junior lagoon]

shd is the issue

[silent storm]

yeah

Buy it now and get double from watch

[junior lagoon]

yeah, i am doing that

i optimzied 3 builds already. this was a great opportunity

but some needed alot of mats

[silent storm]

All mats are is time invested

If the piece is worth it then do it

[junior lagoon]

funny thins is i did tons of countdowsn to find the right one, i did not but at least can use the comms to buy optimizatio

[magic pilot]

big mag on gr9?

chc or rof

[hexed steppe]

reload

[magic pilot]

third attribute?

[hexed steppe]

chc

[magic pilot]

sweet to crafting i go

got tier since i only want for frenzy

plus can switch to rof or dth when i need

[magic pilot]

wait can you combine steady handed + frenzy?

[subtle bluff]

What for?

[hexed steppe]

no, never proc frenzy

[fresh fox]

strained steady boooom

if only strained didnt have a stack cap

[hexed steppe]

frenzy+measured seems to work for some reason

frenzy+strained works

frenzy+fast hands ok

[junior lagoon]

does memento's long term armor regen for 300 secs count as bonus armor for intimidate?

[hexed steppe]

no

regen is only white armor regen

short buff 10 sec bonus armor is only armor that counts towards intimidate

[junior lagoon]

What do you think of this pfe build?

Pretty unoptmized

umbra chest has intimidate

[hexed steppe]

call it grupo chest, some may confuse the piece name for umbra initiative gearset

[junior lagoon]

yep grupo

[hexed steppe]

how the crit stats look

[magic pilot]

Chillout out is not good swap it out for badger mask and run improvised holster

Or ceska even better

[junior lagoon]

well when i have the dark winter it is 59 /104, with scorpio it is 42/95 but scorpio has 0 expertise

but if i remove chillout i lose a mod ?

[hazy steeple]

the fact that you didnt also go "badger badger" makes me sad.

[magic pilot]

Mask already has a mod slot, and chillout trades an attribute for a mod. If you run improvised same amount of mod slots

[hexed steppe]

i would honestly just swap the holster for ceska then reconfig crit to get better chd

[junior lagoon]

replace picaro with ceska?

[hexed steppe]

personally, it might not be best option but its what i would do

[junior lagoon]

i use this mainly in countdowns and hunters etc...not a mainstream build. i like that it can go face to face most elites

damage is not ideal of course

the only issue i will have way over chc with ceska

[hexed steppe]

thats why you reconfigure the crit to accomodate

ceska mask/imp holster like Reflex mentions is probably the better option tbf

[junior lagoon]

yeah sounds good

[autumn totem]

Yo the new beacon chest piece feels pretty good ya?

[magic pilot]

It's bugged so yea

[autumn totem]

Wait what? Fr?

[magic pilot]

Yea the regen to the team is way more than 2%

[subtle bluff]

It not that good very other opitions.

[magic pilot]

Other than that it's pretty average

[autumn totem]

Coyote over beacon still for team stuff?

[magic pilot]

One coyotes is nice, but overall just running overdogs is more dps

Tinkerer will out dps coyotes for most builds as well.

[autumn totem]

Ah ya still haven't gotten them. Just got momento today and been running with that for now. St elmos/striker. Definitely not perfect but it gets me by

[magic pilot]

Memento is solid for solo

Can't go wrong

[molten thorn]

so is the new meta dps build 4 striker with like eq+overdogs? I haven't really hung out in here for like a year so I don't know what's good anymore with all the new stuff.

[round zinc]

does the enemy tier matter for overdogs or its just their archetype that matters?say theres a purple minitank and a red medic, who becomes the target for overdogs first?the red bar or the minitank

[subtle bluff]

It's in the Pinned Messages.

Color doesn't matter

[round zinc]

ty

[slate wedge]

ain’t gonna get P.O.T.U.S. with that attitude

[round zinc]

for solo heartbreaker, would perfect oblit chest beat out heartbreaker chest?

ik i will be losing bonus armor for not using chest but i was thinking if its worth it or not, current build fyi

[subtle bluff]

HB w/o 50x Stacks
HB w/ 100x Stacks

[round zinc]

its mostly for solo play so not like super min max for dps hence backpack+salvo

[subtle bluff]

HB Stacks is WD and Bonus armor.

Ceska is worth more than RoF

Look at you Crit number is really low with Salvo

[round zinc]

its like 50% ish, i kinda dig the fire rate that helps me stack it faster

[subtle bluff]

If you're not gonna run HB Chest may as well go Striker with blue

Both your CHC and CHD

Also because you're running Memento you have even less slots for stats.

It'll work.

[round zinc]

oh yea about blue strike, other than using another bag what else should i change
i made this like a really long time ago

[subtle bluff]

That's where Striker Chest is not good.

And using Flatline is actually less dmg on that build.

[round zinc]

i dont have a weapon for that build just yet but ill probably settle for killer or fast hand

[subtle bluff]

I was a HB main I know the numbers and how the DPS turns out.

[round zinc]

is blue striker even worth it or its strictly a worse blue HB

does this look better now?i should be at around 55% chc after i optimize the pieces

[subtle bluff]

up to only 2 or 3 cores are even need imo

[peak meadow]

I dunno how it's gonna do in party

[round zinc]

most of these hybrid builds are only meant for solo, it will never scale in group

[subtle bluff]

Tanking bullets all the time isn't the way is what I'll see.

[round zinc]

just red striker or mosquito tank

[subtle bluff]

Memento Striker is really strong in solo

[peak meadow]

If I see Memento out in the wild, I assume he has forgotten it is on, or he is signaling to the other DPS players that he is gonna ball outta control

[subtle bluff]

I'll run it on some master if I know I'm carrying but that's because I know I'll be getting enough kills not to care.

[round zinc]

i sometimes accept backup requests and forget to swap to my group build so i just wiggle around until the encounter ends so i can get off memento

i think for group you only use memento for shotgun hh?

[subtle bluff]

Has long as you keep up and get have stacks it doesn't matter.

Problem with that it takes too much to get HH started since you've lost Vigili

[hazy steeple]

Memento is quite good even if you just get the long term buffs, the shorter ones are nice, but it's hardly a make or break.
depending on the build, but that's any thing in div2.

[round zinc]

the only truly unusable thing in division is probably any of the semi auto MMR

[peak meadow]

That's also conditional because they are passable with Reanimated

[round zinc]

a light sneeze would kill a chunga in reanimated tbf

[peak meadow]

Ye but arguably there's at least a singular condition that makes them usable

Can't say the same about Clutch

[subtle bluff]

Not really. They still need good dmg to do break the helmet.

[peak meadow]

He's engaging in hyperbole, Chow

[hazy steeple]

This channel is for nerdy math related build talk, people take the stuff said here seriously.

a simple /s at the end of it will solve any confusion.

[round zinc]

on a serious note i feel like theres so many things in this game that are just outclassed to the point that its not worth using which is lowkey on par with being useless like clutch. yea they're "usable" but unless you're looking to shake up your gameplay i dont see why anyone would use another high end AR other than lex

[subtle bluff]

Don't need lex. If we're talking meta numbers lex get's out classed by MG5

[round zinc]

in my defense i did say AR specifically but i get your point

but you did specify "high RPM and Killer" so....anything less is mehhhh?

[subtle bluff]

For striker and HB pretty much.

[hazy steeple]

every time I see HB written, I think of the brand of pencils.
Okay carry on.

well, technically HB is the type, but ya know what i mean

[round zinc]

am i stupid or perfect measured is worse than measured?(ignoring the weapon ofc mpx isnt that high on the SMG damage chart iirc)

[peak meadow]

Numbers are better, but not by enough that warrants it being a Named version tbh

This is not a Stage Left/Lefty situation, this is kinda like Clutch/Perfect Clutch situation

[round zinc]

this just feels like an overcomplicated talent when they can just bring back the house instead

[patent fossil]

8% total weapon damage is greater than 5% weapon damage, but yeah it's not a huge increase

[shy willow]

I won't take this dread edict slander

[round zinc]

like, 2 exceptions

[marsh river]

wouldnt 2p unit alloys be a lot more comfy than equalizer + overdogs? im not a huge fan of the jumping perk mechanic

20% ar is not nothing

[shy willow]

Compared to a 30 percent amp it kind of is

[subtle bluff]

If your build already has TWD ya not to much but if it doesn't 8 is a good amount.
Remember it's the reason that Equalizer beat out Ceska Obli.. 4% more TWD.

[marsh river]

30% amp, sometimes

[shy willow]

Most enemies you'll be fighting fall in either the lowest or middle tier

[marsh river]

i guess 🥹

[subtle bluff]

Equalizer + Salvo isn't better than Equalizer + Ceska...

[marsh river]

omg, i just realized The Gift is for sale on npc.. and it has the rolls i need too.. after all this time, its the one item i didnt have.. finally

glorious

[peak meadow]

Yeah but even if you don't do the mechanic, it's still good, and when you aren't trying to do the mechanic because you forgor, maybe the dude you're shooting is gonna take amp damage

[round zinc]

30% amp until a BT support hides the lunchbox in Limbo or something

[marsh river]

exactly ;p

[round zinc]

its still great for boss fights and general non BT encounters tho

[slate wedge]

that’s nice, sadly the Providence Meta days are over but what can ya do

[subtle bluff]

Who know's he'll join the PGC, Gift meta.

[marsh river]

nah, bis for HH builds

[slate wedge]

Actually not

Habsburg is BiS depending on which build you are running

[subtle bluff]

HH scales to WD not HSD... 😐

[slate wedge]

3 Hotshot, 2 Habsburg and Overdogs is best right?

[subtle bluff]

Just remember habsburg only has +5 MMR WD more over the normal stuff.

[marsh river]

i would like a pure dps build with mmr or rifle that isnt a chainkiller headshot build

like back in the day classic m1a high end build, it was very solid

im sure that build works still but not as competetive.

and also whatever happened to focus. noone using that any more?

[stable bison]

i've never seen a rly good rifle build from jan. 01. except the headshot builds...

[marsh river]

yeah thats what i mean

[stable bison]

i built a hybrid capacitor build now but until my capacitor isn't reached the lvl30 expert its not enough good like in the videos

[wheat current]

i always come back when i miss out on the lexington xD!! but is there any good builds i can do as a returning player?

[stable bison]

now u have chance to obtain the lexington and turmoil 2

[wheat current]

i got turmoil already just the lexington but i have to do the global event for the legacy chest's right?

[stable bison]

i got them yesterday in the mutiny event cuz u can earn special event chests and u have a small chance to get them

yes u are right

[wheat current]

can you do countdown and get the mutiny chest's from that and still have a chance get it or is it just the other chest?

[stable bison]

u can get it only from the event chests

[wheat current]

like the mutiny chest?

[stable bison]

nope its a special version of the mutiny chest on event lvl 10 maybe Special..... chest the name of this

[subtle bluff]

Closest you'll get to good rifle DPS.

[slate wedge]

but 2 Habsburg would still be better than Airaldi + Chainkiller

[subtle bluff]

Yes it's better.

The context to that other guy is HSD isn't BiS for HH.

[marsh river]

a non headshot based Shroud build could have been nice

just full on donk body shots

[round zinc]

i really like the MDR

[proper wave]

in builds, why is fox prayer rec/used over picaro holster?

even when not using rifles

[subtle bluff]

We don't use either in good DPS builds

[marsh river]

anyone have a suggestion for a decent run and gun shotgun build with Thorn, that ISNT hunters fury? :p

[proper wave]

i am moreso asking is fox prayer better than picaro in terms of damage

[subtle bluff]

Picaro is not used for dmg build period.

[proper wave]

that doesnt answer my question

why?

it looks to me 10% > 8%

[subtle bluff]

It give nothing over any red brandset.

[subtle bluff]

Are you talking about 8% DTTooC vs 10% WD?

[proper wave]

yes

[subtle bluff]

First off Foxes gives 15% WD and on top 8% DTTooC.
Picaro is only 8% WD

Put most most simple.

[proper wave]

you can just reroll the armor core to a red core

[subtle bluff]

No you can't.

If you could you would see it more.

[proper wave]

You can't? First time I realised

[subtle bluff]

Even then DDTooC is worth more than WD.

[proper wave]

how so

[subtle bluff]

Different number in the equation that makes the final number bigger.

[proper wave]

that's uh

very vague

[hoary raptor]

Just got hold of a lexington- what’s the best build for it?

[subtle bluff]

Same as any other AR build.

[proper wave]

I see, so it is more additive to base dmg rather than multiplicative, thx

[subtle bluff]

More or less.
Like I stated earlier foxes isn't BiS for most dmg builds.

[burnt dock]

I’m trying the eclipse protocol build out! Am I using this wrong ? And is they’re a better build ? Nothing is happening really

[subtle bluff]

That's right.
EP burn does hit a wall.

[burnt dock]

Is they’re another burn build ?

Just wanna fry everything

[subtle bluff]

No. You can also use Future Prefect to proc OC it's a good boost on dmg.

[burnt dock]

Daym thanks anyways! Do you recommend and drone/turret builds ?

[subtle bluff]

Refactor.

[burnt dock]

I’ll take a look thanks

[subtle bluff]

I have hybrid version if you search this channel for it.

[burnt dock]

Thank you sir I’ll try and find it

[cold veldt]

St Elmo or Chameleon

[grand girder]

elmo

[burnt dock]

@subtle bluff will this one be good enough ?

[subtle bluff]

It's a whole post by me. One min.

[burnt dock]

Thank you sir!!!

[slate wedge]

@subtle bluff https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/aZmUrIKg

could you calculate if I should be running 2 pieces Zoo or Chainkiller + 1 piece WH on this

i only really care about 1st & 2nd shot damage

[crude stump]

Anyone recruiting ?

[burnt bone]

Chat what talent do you like on converted smg9

[shy willow]

I use measured

I know some people like unwavering too

[stuck grotto]

When going for an M60, which is the best out of them all?

[burnt bone]

I think classic m60

And below that, I believe black market is preferred over military

[stuck grotto]

Doesn't classic have less mods?

I'm using military RN and it has muzzle/rails/mag mods (4 total)

[burnt bone]

Classic has higher damage and faster reload 🤷🏻‍♂️ so I guess it depends on if you think one of the muzzles is worth more than that

[onyx sage]

it depends on the build whether which one is better, but for tipping scales for example you want classic, higher mods' only advantage is to have higher crit but TS already gives you a ton of crit

[stuck grotto]

Ongoing with Tinkerer

[onyx sage]

then it doesn't really matter too much, faster reload is more impactful though

[stuck grotto]

I will stick with Gunner and then just continue to use my military M60

If I end up finding another lmg I probably will swap to that

[burnt bone]

MG5 is based

[solid blade]

Hi guys, a few days ago I started asking about my Striker's build, this is what I have currently.
The items are okay now, should I focus on min-maxing the stats now? (I've added my items' stats on the site)
Or would you suggest me to change anything?
https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/u0LTjsXl

[solar sable]

It looks good, the only thing I'd change is a normal ACS-12/M870 with Brazen as backup instead of Rock&Roll

[burnt bone]

Do you prefer that over stack broker 👉👈🥺

[solar sable]

unless I'm running Strikers chest, ye

[junior lagoon]

what is the talent on 1886 on one shot builds?

[solar sable]

Determined, if you want more dmg go Rifleman but you'll need to hit your shots

[junior lagoon]

yeah that does not sound me lol

[regal nacelle]

I’m trying to figure out a nicer build than my current one utilizing the Strega 3 piece strikers 2 piece unit alloys(Equalizer and Salvo named pieces) all red with a ninjabike bag. I can do heroic 3 directives but the damage seems to be an issue with some of the enemies. Could it also be that I’m not a high enough SHD level to be feeling a lot of the CHD and CHC? I’m at SHD 80

[solar sable]

drop ninjabike and use Strikers bag
that'll make the difference

[regal nacelle]

Totally forgot about the backpack talent lol

[solar sable]

plus the Watch gives you 10% CHC and 20% CHD, not that big of a difference but it indeed helps

check that quick guide out and the full version in the pinned Spreadsheet

[burnt bone]

What attribute do you run on it 👀

[solar sable]

RoF because why not

[burnt bone]

Truew

Oh lol I only have 3% rof in my library

I guess I’ll stick with maxed Dttooc for now

[pine monolith]

Are old bighorn armor regen builds still viable or have they changed at all in recent months?

[subtle bluff]

For PvP they haven't changed.

[pine monolith]

Recommend everyday carrier or sleight? Also is it worth using spot on holster?

[magic pilot]

everyday, and no

[silent storm]

DttooC on Diamondback or HSD?

[subtle bluff]

Always DTTooC

If you're looking to do DPS. It's Alway DTTooC

[silent storm]

2 more invo spaces open then

[drowsy mica]

Hi all! Looking into DZ PvP builds, and The Spreadsheet's builds for this seem to be around a year old at this point. Any suggestions, or should I stick with the year old ones?

[shy willow]

Builds in there should all still work

The meta rarely has any radical changes

[magic pilot]

There's been a few minor changes to the meta. The builds on there are still some of the best

[misty marsh]

I be seeing armor regen builds, where can I get started with that and maintain a good amount of dmg?

[lost wren]

assuming bighorn the damage just comes from hitting heads or using intimidate

[subtle bluff]

Those are PvP builds.

[misty marsh]

What about PvE?

[subtle bluff]

Armor Regen is not great for PvE but good in PvP.

[misty marsh]

My Lexington+killer with

Coyote+striker+equalizer ain't running that great on legendary missions

[lost wren]

in terms of damage?

[subtle bluff]

Solo?

[misty marsh]

With randoms, sometimes friends if they're online

[misty marsh]

Yeah, I pair it with sticky bomb and revive hive

I just want the ivory dye from Roosevelt Island lmao

[lost wren]

killer isn't that good with randoms, need to get kills
use measured or ranger
other than that i see no reason your build shouldn't work

[misty marsh]

I pair it with scorpio idk if that's any good either

Or should I pair it with an SMG?

[lost wren]

show your stats

[subtle bluff]

It's more gameplay and knowledge is for leggo.

Use cover correctly and prioritize targets

Your build is fine.

[magic pilot]

unwavering smg, frenzy lmg, brazen acs-12 all good options. ouro, iron lung, pesti, bluescreen, bighorn (decent) or backfire are good exotics

scorpio has a super slow reload speed now. not good on striker

[magic pilot]

firewall+ striker shield is good too

[smoky latch]

Didn't bother much with it yet, ran it on Striker's and CoCo so far

[magic pilot]

yea thats what its good on lol

its not that accurate from distance, yea it has a nice bonus but its not insane

take off reg for harvest or quick step

its not a noticeable difference to me

you asked for a build. clearly you had something in mind

i have it already

true, i build to be effective and clear fast

[uncut elbow]

Meta is "boring"

[subtle bluff]

It's not good enough weapon to a focus build tbf

[solar sable]

stickers

[subtle bluff]

Any shotgun build works with it.

[magic pilot]

if you really know what fast is, you'd know HF is faster

im sorry we dont entertain you properly

[solar sable]

I forget that people mix up fun builds with effective builds

[shy willow]

if you say you want a fun build people will give you fun builds

[uncut elbow]

Like Chow said, it isn't "good" enough to get its own build so any build that can use a shotgun, can use the shotgun.

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message
Try this one, was told it's nice. Use Overdogs instead

[shy willow]

but people tend to conflate fun with effective which is somewhat misinformation

[solar sable]

it's fun indeed, love it

then mess with it, what's the problem???

[uncut elbow]

Make your own build and share 😄

[smoky latch]

Swap obv

[solar sable]

you didn't ask for fun or cool build, you just said "did anyone come up with A build"

[shy willow]

its just any other shotgun with extra steps tbh

its got a much longer range but not accurate enough to treat like a rifle

and its bugged as all hell rn

[solar sable]

it's worse tham m870 with Brazen bruv 😭

[shy willow]

i mean its a super 90 so id expect it to have weaker damage per shot

[subtle bluff]

If you want to be creative go on YT.
Meta like stuff that works very well then we have it.

[shy willow]

it just has a long long reload and its bugged and no mods

[uncut elbow]

People come to this chat and saying "everyone using" = meta build but I guess wording can be confusing 🤔

[solar sable]

Getting offended? Since when? We are just objective with what we know

[hazy steeple]

I wouldn't exactly call div2 youtube builds "creative".

I mean, creative is a word that can be used, but "copied from here and made worse" is another.

[shy willow]

creative is definitely a word for it

[solar sable]

This is exactly what people think meta is. They don't even know what meta means whatsoever

[shy willow]

amalgamations of trash

[magic pilot]

build 1

build 2

[solar sable]

that one is tight asf

[magic pilot]

build 2 dmg numbers

build 1

[solar sable]

the f is stickers

[magic pilot]

its just a way worse m870. its behind nearly 30% on dmg per shot

[solar sable]

it's the same situation as when Tempest came out, people were glazing on that shit

[magic pilot]

visionario lmao

theres no way you arent trolling

[solar sable]

isn't visionario optimal range?

[uncut elbow]

Yep

[solar sable]

then what's the fkn point

[magic pilot]

100%

[hazy steeple]

small sticky things that people put on stuff to make them prettier

[solar sable]

my phone case has stickers on it

[magic pilot]

thats me!

[hazy steeple]

you're going to have to explain exactly what "stickers" are. in this context.

[uncut elbow]

Who hurt you? to apply that much bleed protection!

[solar sable]

fk no

[hazy steeple]

ooooh. STRIKERS

.....stickers, really?

Agent, I hate to break this to you. But it's not called stickers.

[solar sable]

soulless goobers LMFAOOOO THIS GUY IS AMAZING

[uncut elbow]

"STRIKER" 😂

[magic pilot]

i got a decent variety not just strickers

[solar sable]

do you see Elmo's here?

[uncut elbow]

Any Refactor variants? 👀

[hazy steeple]

at least call it "stackers" or something.

[solar sable]

bluestacks

[magic pilot]

i ended up not keeping refactor for CoCo skill build

[hazy steeple]

I can honestly say that in my 10 years of div as a franchise, I have never once, not ONCE, heard it referred to as "stickers".

[uncut elbow]

Fair

[magic pilot]

@uncut elbow

overdogs applies to skills too. highly recommed on refractor

[hazy steeple]

Don't you mean reflector?

[solar sable]

refractor

[magic pilot]

redactor

[hazy steeple]

hey there it is, was waiting for that.

[magic pilot]

oh there we go

[hazy steeple]

I'm not even trans, but you know what, this is as good a time as any.

[solar sable]

took him long enough

[magic pilot]

honestly cant say i didnt see that coming

[uncut elbow]

I currently run this. I know I'm overcapped on skill from Tech, but it's' the current one I run that works for me. Still need to optimize stuff down the line

[onyx sage]

AveragePlayer.- but evil

bro even got the avatar lookalike

[magic pilot]

oh dude you gotta swap the ninja out

[hazy steeple]

It's been a minute since I've had someone like that try and pull that card, it's a little nostalgic.

[onyx sage]

i've just been lurking to see him pull every card possible

[solar sable]

was that a ban?

[magic pilot]

yea that doesnt really happen here as much anymore

[solar sable]

naahhh I wanted more yapping!

[uncut elbow]

Yeah, I know! But if it works it works as a temp situation 😂

[hazy steeple]

It did used to happen way more, if must be said. I keep a bit of an archive of the really bad ones.
it's far from the worst we've had.

[uncut elbow]

Did he bite the dust?

[onyx sage]

it's not fun anymore cuz he looked like a troll

he didn't really sell his performance

[hazy steeple]

I mean, if you're gonna threaten me, at least add some passion to it.
trolls these days have no staying power.

[magic pilot]

crit version isnt bad (had the wrong dmg numbers!)

HF is just too good

[hazy steeple]

I only realised today that I' haven't ran a single new build all season.
someone throw a season specific setup at me.

[onyx sage]

concentrated company?

[uncut elbow]

CoCo + Equalizer & Salvo

[hazy steeple]

honestly anything, I've been using a tink+OD all season, or my new baby: tech tempest.

[uncut elbow]

I've mostly been using Burn build since I started this toon

[slate wedge]

Aegis Tank

[hazy steeple]

ive heard a lot about coco this season, and its the name of my old family dog so how could i not

[magic pilot]

CoCo build

this was the first decent backpack i got, so im gonna give this a shot

[hazy steeple]

Which would you say is the better choice overall? I guess mostly for solo play, but could take it with a team.

[magic pilot]

both are team oriented, but CoCo is more resticting solo. You pretty much have to run drone and turret to build stacks somewhat quickly

[hazy steeple]

I had a feeling that'd be the case, any solo orientated builds recommended for this season? Even counting the Companions is fine.

[magic pilot]

been seeing a lot of people running high end builds with 3 unit

like this

elmo has 105 magsize

[uncut elbow]

Does overdogs drop from any gloves lootpool like countdown/Summit?

[magic pilot]

yea, can get the blueprint from hyena retaliations as well

[uncut elbow]

Good to know for a later build. Thanks

[hazy steeple]

iiiinteresting, i honestly need a new red dps, striker was never super my thing.
cheers!

[uncut elbow]

You mean "sticker" 😂

[magic pilot]

could go something like this too. ceska or unit gloves for the magsize

its at 62% chc

[hexed steppe]

need some nego in your life 😎

[hazy steeple]

oh I've already got a diamondback setup, dw! 😉

[fallen comet]

Aside from hotshot and OD tinkerer, what are some other builds that can handle heroic 5 directives?

[solar sable]

HHF w/DCH maybe

[fallen comet]

Whats DCH? my brain isnt braining atm

[solar sable]

dodge city

[fallen comet]

Tried that before but it doesn't suit my playstyle unfortunately 😕

[solar sable]

5 directives involves Pistolero right?

[fallen comet]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

HH and OD builds normally.

[fallen comet]

Because of OD you basically have infinite ammo

[subtle bluff]

Some normal DPS builds with w/DCH with orbit use to be a thing.

[magic pilot]

Hotshot+sharpshooter

[subtle bluff]

Other than OD and HH builds.

[last schooner]

is electrique with double crit useful at all?

[subtle bluff]

There's a keep list in the Farm Guide.

[hazy steeple]

A what list on the where guide?

[subtle bluff]

Things to keep.

Like Ceska doub crit, crit crit.

[last schooner]

build hub?

[subtle bluff]

Yup

[hazy steeple]

Honestly never heard of this before.

[solar sable]

it's a wip

[hazy steeple]

The spreadsheet is kinda dense, any chance you know exactly what tab its under?

[last schooner]

I think its this? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

so if its not in the keep section then trash...good. sick of hoarding crap

[hazy steeple]

You can see why I couldn't find it lol

side note: enjoy your new nickname!

[last schooner]

OMG I've trashed so many The Setup

[hazy steeple]

don't worry too much about setup/closer, you have the BP's from control point caches.

[subtle bluff]

It needs a better title probably.

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide & Unicorn List by MrChow

[buoyant perch]

BEST FARM FOR NEW AGENTS

[uncut elbow]

"How to git gud" 😂

[subtle bluff]

[buoyant perch]

NEW BEST SECRET FARMING METHOD BY MRCHOW

[subtle bluff]

Sir…

Too much?

[solar sable]

eh...

[subtle bluff]

Idk…

[solar sable]

keep it like that

[subtle bluff]

Adding your name to this too

[solar sable]

ME?!

[hazy steeple]

good idea unicorn mr chow!

nah title's only like 5% of the issue, google hating spacing is the bigger part. It still doesn't like Assault Rifles either.

[subtle bluff]

I’ve been learning how to deal with Google Sheets spacing.

[hexed steppe]

tbf, its gonna look off anyways since Rivens gotta read it upside down

[slate wedge]

what about me? 👉 🥺👈

[hazy steeple]

Ⅎᴉɹsʇ oɟ ɐll' ɥoʍ pɐɹǝ ʎon˙

[solar sable]

that just hurt my brain

[flint arch]

Why is this recommended for, let's say exotic farms? Because the

[solar sable]

I... got busy

and forgot about finishing my sentence

ahem.

[subtle bluff]

You haven’t worked on a guide with me…

[slate wedge]

fair enough, i could help with either PvP or Incursion if there’s something to do

[subtle bluff]

I started an incursion one but gave up on it, since it’s too much too type up and not that I have a video that explains most of it.

[magic pilot]

Incursion is a rabbit hole

[subtle bluff]

Ya….

[slate wedge]

i wanted to make an Incursion Speedrun guide but that’s also a lot of effort to put into

and honestly i don’t know how many people will really be into it

[subtle bluff]

I mean I made some of that already

I’ve put more effort into speeds than normal

[solar sable]

something crossed my mind and I dont wanna talk about it

[slate wedge]

[subtle bluff]

I do want to make 2 other runs incursion split screen runs

all BK run and a meta run.

[slate wedge]

why all BK if you could do all Sheriff

[subtle bluff]

BK we all should isn’t great it all.

It pushes the idea the DPS amount you need isn’t that high.

[hazy steeple]

@magic pilot Did it, threw together an incredibly dodgy version of the OverAlloy setup you mentioned before, with the giant elmo mag.
It's weird, but I can't deny that it works.

[autumn totem]

Yo the big show with st Elmo striker is insane. Dmg to armor max. Talent is perfect thunder strike. Melts big time. Also was using coyote

[mint shore]

I want to run a bit of a bruiser heartbreaker build. Between Memento and Catharsis, which do you think would give better survivability in solo PvE content? I'm not a fan of the shield but I like being able to take hits while dishing it out too so I do use the defender drone.

[subtle bluff]

Memento

Shield will always be tough that you. Tanking bullets isn't a smart idea to do for too long.

Defender can be used but the problem is it uptime.

[mint shore]

I stick to cover for the most part really don't enjoy the shield unfortunately.

[subtle bluff]

fair we don't use shield really at the end game.

[subtle bluff]

It can cool dmg but the uptime to use is waste vs just DPS everything quicker with a weapon that has higher DPS.

[mint shore]

Which setup has the better for damage output? 55 CHC/35 CHD + Perfect Obliterate or 52 CHC/59 CHD?

Both are Memento + Heartbreaker builds with the Lexington.

[subtle bluff]

0.o

Neither.

HB+Chest Memento and Ceska
Spec Tech
Weapon +790 RPM and ACS12 both with laser pointer

[mint shore]

The second one is Ceska.

[subtle bluff]

I need to update the HB guide... 😐

[mint shore]

Given what I currently have, those two are the best HB + Memento setups I can put together.

Just wondering if perfect obliterate if worth more than 30 CHD.

The first setup is 4 HB, Memento and Equalizer. Second in 4 HB, Memento, Ceska mask.

[slate wedge]

Chestplate is a must in Heartbreaker

[subtle bluff]

No HB Chest 50 stack
W/ HB Chest 100 stacks

[slate wedge]

you lose out on 35% amp from not using the chestplate, perfect obliterate doesn’t even give that + you lose a better brandset bonus and you need to stack another talent

[round zinc]

whats the best 3rd attribute for LMGs?

[subtle bluff]

CHC > RoF > DTA/DTH

[round zinc]

thanks

and i guess talent is just killer/fast hand unless i want to mag dump for frenzy

[subtle bluff]

btw it should be "fix deteremined"

[subtle bluff]

what is this for?

[slate wedge]

on striker/if using frenzy or measured DtA is better than RoF i’m pretty sure

[round zinc]

general use striker, cuz i have like 7 lexingtons and tryna change things up

[subtle bluff]

We put CHC then just change mods to CHD.

[slate wedge]

yeah ofc, CHC is best all day

[subtle bluff]

In the end honestly CHC is a bigger number

then in turn we get a nice amount from mods

[round zinc]

its been ages but true

[drowsy mica]

I can only assume what was said, but thanks for taking out the trash

[drowsy mica]

Saw this one in the spreadsheet
Any thoughts on swapping the gloves to Unit Alloys and changing the sticky bomb to a seeker?

[subtle bluff]

Ya the glove change works.
Seeker is easy to dodge or shoot. Sticky ifyou know what you're doing will land.

[drowsy mica]

Noted
Out of the 8 or so years I've been playing this series, I've never really attempted to get into PvP until now, so I don't really know what works or not lol

[subtle bluff]

To note #td2-pvp-discussions if you want more focus talks. They main guys will eventually response.

[drowsy mica]

Thanks!

[gentle lichen]

Swapping to unit over wh is better and honestly skillls are up to you it's just that seeker is easily dodgable over the hitscan sticky

[stuck grotto]

Seeker is mainly used to force people out of cover or to force them to move. A common dirty trick people use the seeker for is throwing it at a corner and seeing if it detects somebody. If it does people will call it back to them

[gentle lichen]

Mostly in conflict to secure kills even but imo i'd pick something else

[buoyant kraken]

Aay my first turmoil and its a really good roll. Any build recommendations with it

[mint axle]

The determined and headhunter build is the only recommendation for this item, everything else is weakened by it.

[subtle bluff]

Even then. If they don't understand how HH works they'll be a mess. But yup that.

[buoyant kraken]

I had a different version of the headhunter build before turmoil. So I changed it a bit. Don't know if I did something wrong. I use to run 4 pieces to get the ammo back while running pistelo.

So im currently running :

White Death with determined
Sherrif (If Close)
Hodshot Head / Holster / Glove
Chainkiller chest
Turmoil
Apollo Operator Backpack changed into Vigilance tallent.

Then I have 288.5% Headshot damage / 24 % chc / 74% chd
I have 8 total attributes or mods for headshot damage. But I still have to max a lot of them, as they are on like 8-9%. Which will give me around 300% total headshot damage.

Also which skills / spec do you recommend with it? as Im running the sniper rifle spec + revive hive and crusader shield (harvest pistol)

[shy willow]

Decoy/emp sticky

[burnt bone]

So brazen is the play on the shotgun? I saw some people running pummel

Is that a sidegrade or just for specific situations 🤔

[buoyant perch]

Brazen = more damage, pummel = no reload. It's just a personal choice really. Like if you really need to crack chunga head in lego, brazen is the more reliable option but pummel could do that also.

[burnt bone]

Gotcha gotcha

[buoyant perch]

outside of lego, I think pummel wins every time

[digital orchid]

Regarding maxing out tank builds step by step, what's the first choice I should make?: (1) upgrade the bulwark shield to expertise grade level 30 (2) upgrade the gear pieces, which are currently all at expertise grade level 12, to expertise grade level 30? I feel like I should upgrade the shield itself since that's the most important part of my tank build.

[quiet field]

hey guys, im playing solo and using strikers gearset, was wondering which skills are best to use

[slate wedge]

you shouldn’t really upgrade any of these above expertise 12, not worth spending exo components on that

[digital orchid]

Thanks for the tip. My real bottleneck is SHD calibration. I have double the amount of SHD calibration in exo components 😂 so I don't really mind spending exo components. But y, it's the SHD calibration that hurts

[buoyant perch]

Decoy, revival hive, shield, sticky EMP for lego, etc. It's a personal choice.

[slate wedge]

the only things you should spend exo components on in PvE are weapons you use on damage focused builds

of course you do you but you may need those exo components at some point and might be bummed when you upgraded armor pieces to lvl 30 for minimal gain

[burnt bone]

What are you using the tank build for?

[gloomy lichen]

Does anyone know why I can't recalibrate the attributes on my items?

I have the mats but the option is still greyed out

[wispy hollow]

Missing currency/cost

[gloomy lichen]

OH I SEE IT NOW

[wispy hollow]

You can optimise it, cant recalibrate it

[tidal swan]

I at least swapped mine to UA on that same setup. Not swapping off of the sticky tho I need it 😄

[junior lagoon]

i am seeing builds with equalizer but no 2nd unit alloy piece. giving up that 20% AR damage. why ?

[solar sable]

pvp or pve strikers?

[junior lagoon]

pve

[burnt bone]

I think an exotic will generally provide more value? And it you’re kinda limiting what weapons you can use

I imagine it’s fine tho if you’re only gonna use ARs

[solar sable]

exotic weapons are not always BiS

[uncut elbow]

Overdog probably outweighs the assault buff from 2nd unit alloy

[burnt bone]

Exotic armor piece instead of 2nd piece UA

[junior lagoon]

isnt ceska bettre than equalizer wihtout second piece unit allot

[solar sable]

like?

[junior lagoon]

exodus gloves in my case

[burnt bone]

Like overdogs

Im just saying that’s why they weren’t seeing a second UA piece with equalizer on strikers

[uncut elbow]

I sometimes see coyote mask plus equalizer and 4p striker

[burnt bone]

I think the extra bonus from perfect obliterate gives more damage

[burnt bone]

Yes I believe this was the standard before overdogs

It’s what I run because I don’t have OD yet haha

[junior lagoon]

i use 4 pc striker ceska chest and memento

[uncut elbow]

I have overdogs but haven’t made a striker set yet 😭

[solar sable]

the difference is slightly higher with Equalizer

[burnt bone]

Yeah that’s also fine, I think perfect obliterate is better than the 8% chc you get from ceska tho

[junior lagoon]

ok

[stuck grotto]

The difference typically is in the Burst/Sustained category last I recall. Equalizer kills quicker but lowers overall mag damage and Ceska kills slightly slower but has overall higher mag damage. I could be wrong

[subtle bluff]

No. Equalizer still wins in both the 4% TWD just is that much.

[stuck grotto]

I was misinformed then, thank you agent

[subtle bluff]

Yuppers.

[fleet lynx]

Lady death still good? Haven’t played for a min and doing summit

[solar sable]

there's that as a fun build with shotguns and Tinkerer

[solar sable]

It kinda sucks due to its small mag

[burnt bone]

Oh well I still need tink haha

[solar sable]

ask for a carry bro

[burnt bone]

Yeah yeah I just haven’t gotten around to it

Same for the incursion thing and the climax mission manhunt stuff ;-;

I’m still new and ive been busy ;-;

[fleet lynx]

Any good primary to rock with momento and shield?

I have smg bonuses on my build

[solar sable]

if you want an exotic smg try Backfire

[solar sable]

Hunter's Fury? My man.

this guy knows ball
(idk what that shit means I just see it often)

[burnt bone]

It means someone is knowledgeable about something, in a way that impresses you

[solar sable]

well shit

[onyx sage]

i don't know

[solar sable]

please carry Donky through Manager for Tinkerer

sir has my trust

[onyx sage]

i can't even carry myself

[solar sable]

sir, average is gone...

[onyx sage]

why would donky ask a deadweight like me

i only play solo

[solar sable]

there's a weird smell in your words...

[onyx sage]

ask @spice pier

[burnt bone]

True love and the power of friendship

[onyx sage]

when are u down for it?

[burnt bone]

Oh fr, I was kidding I don’t actually care that much about tinkerers rn

But I’m free on nights usually

[solar sable]

free content for dien

[onyx sage]

in a few hours?

[burnt bone]

Except wednesdays

[onyx sage]

i just need something to stream for div before re9 comes out

[burnt bone]

Yeah sure when were you thinking

[onyx sage]

8pm cst, can be a bit earlier

[burnt bone]

/when are you free

So around 3 hours from now? I can do that

[burnt bone]

Oh that’s pretty soon huh

[solar sable]

you'll love the build I sent you for funsies, it's for solo and r&g playstyle

[burnt bone]

I just need hunters fury pieces first haha

[solar sable]

not HHF, the HE one

[last schooner]

If i want to run GC just use Sacrifice right? Any other HE chest with GC will be a few DMG% less then Sacrifice correct?

[burnt bone]

Oh yeah I was thinking of the regular hf build in the spreadsheet

[solar sable]

on what build? sometimes it's worth running normal glass

[burnt bone]

I’m prob gonna make 4p HF with equalizer and memento first

[last schooner]

hmm any red build

[solar sable]

for example:
if you're crit starved, ceska glass
if you can hit 20% more heads, pgc
if you can't handle the 60% dmg increase, glass

[last schooner]

isn't it only 10% extra dmg taken compared to GC?

[solar sable]

that's not actually how you should consider it but it's how I manage it

[grand girder]

palisade helps for extra AOK aswell works nice with glass

[solar sable]

some people find that extra 10% overwhelming

[last schooner]

if I die, I die

[solar sable]

i dOnT wAnNa bE oNe sHoT
fkr you can't

[grand girder]

outcast rusher disagrees

[solar sable]

let that sink in

[last schooner]

technically its not one shot...its more like 5 sec of burn that kills u

[grand girder]

depends what you play on, when I was soloing heroic countdown I got insta dropped many times by outcast rushers

legit within 0.2 seconds its insta dead because healthgate then burn tick immediately

[last schooner]

they kill me GC or no GC lol

[grand girder]

mind you I was running full red with glass no pfe so it didn't help but its definitely a quick death

[burnt bone]

Weren’t snipers one shotting people in climax mission

[solar sable]

iron horse snipers are a different breed

[grand girder]

this is the most annoying one that I've experienced

[solar sable]

my decoy tanking the hug:

[grand girder]

granted it was my own fault for being a little to quick but health gate didn't exist in this scenario apparently lmao

[last schooner]

I swear the dream of hybrid build is the bane of my stash. 90% of my time in this game is Strikers

[solar sable]

health gate went for a bite

[grand girder]

bro clocked out that day

[burnt bone]

Idk looks like a skill issue to me… I wouldn’t have tripped down the stairs…

[grand girder]

and thats a fact!

that was before I mastered the mode so time was still an issue, plus the added pressure of it being my first completion with full red glass just fueled the poor decision making xD

that 8 man scaling is a tricky bugger

[subtle bluff]

Not as bad as the sniper that don't care about health gates....

[fair dragon]

Looking for advice. Role of the build is to be the ultimate deadweight while pretending to contribute by healing via Refactor

[burnt bone]

Quickstep has too much utility

Double barrel shotgun or bust

[smoky latch]

ó_Ô

[onyx sage]

i'm up, but might be early, just let me know whenever you are

[burnt bone]

I think I’ll still be available closer to 8cst 🥺

[onyx sage]

don't worry, i'll be goofing around

[hearty orbit]

is there an objective best solo heroic (no directives and not skill) build?

for context I am not a huge fan of solo all red cores (i feel too squishy and this is very likely a skill issue)

but between high end builds, strikers with a couple blue cores, heartbreakers with a couple blue cores, someother build im not aware of, is there an objective best build or is it just a matter of preference

[solar sable]

do you like run & gun? shotguns and/or smgs?

[burnt bone]

I’ve been running strikers + memento for solo heroic stuff

With directives, it still feels nice but you’re losing damage

[hearty orbit]

I am a fan of the up close play style, i do wind up defaulting to ar's and rifles because i feel safer and more consistent at range, but that is mostly because with the smg shotgun stuff ive tinkered with hasnt really worked for me

[solar sable]

gimme a sec I'll give you two templates

[hearty orbit]

you sir are a scholar and a gentleman

[stuck grotto]

Shotguns play great if built well

Wonder what template we will see that doomz here has

[solar sable]

take a look at these (a few seconds for the second one to arrive)

[solar sable]

and this one

@hearty orbit
Good luck and ask if you have any questions

[stuck grotto]

Holy I actually recognize that username, I just recently did a countdown with him

[solar sable]

which one? lol

[stuck grotto]

Was running some sort of Ongoing build

[stuck grotto]

fiftysdeath

[solar sable]

he's a great player and a great person if you ask me

[hearty orbit]

for the HF, the AoK from the set off sets the bleed from backfire?

[stuck grotto]

He led the countdown group pretty well for it being low level players. Really made the experience smooth

[solar sable]

For Backfire you basically have to do two things to counter the bleed (it shouldn't bother you much):
Reach max Backfire stacks; Reload three times on empty

[smoky latch]

HazProooooooooooo 😄

[solar sable]

the max you can bleed out is 1 core = 650k approximately with Backfire
(1 Blue = 700k)

[solar sable]

NOOOOOO 😩

[smoky latch]

J/k

[hearty orbit]

is the hitting your shots and magdumping actually countering the bleed, or is it a mathematical thing with the AoK

[solar sable]

when you are affected by a status effect for a certain period of time, you become immune to said status effect in this case bleed

[smoky latch]

I got scolded on Reddit after I argued against HazPro

[hearty orbit]

ahh did not know that, thats cool

[stuck grotto]

Reddit threads be like "but you're expertise 30 tho..."

[subtle bluff]

I've been meaning to make and video vs Hazpro BF

[smoky latch]

I remember you saying sth like that, ya

[subtle bluff]

Then I realize it's more Blue vs Red

Idk..

[smoky latch]

Well it's both. High amount of blue cores plus HazPro

[solar sable]

I had to word that correctly, sorry, reread it please lmao

[smoky latch]

I'm still not sure what the dude means by "more mission damage"

[stuck grotto]

No up front crit so you lose plenty of up front damage

[stuck grotto]

Glad to know I wasn't the only one

[smoky latch]

I left the conversation alone after he sent this

[stuck grotto]

If he means he gets more damage at the end of the mission, sure, he's right. Every DPS build will be struggling not to shoot him as he gets in the way

[smoky latch]

HazPro is QoL, yes, but it's not enough damage in group. Personally I value damage over QoL

Maybe he's a solo player on hard or sth, IDK

[stuck grotto]

Makes groups not-so-fun to play in when you have dead weight

[smoky latch]

And blocking door spawns 99% of the time...

[stuck grotto]

Good thing there's "kick" buttons

[smoky latch]

Won't help much lol

[hearty orbit]

Im gonna go for broke and ask if you have recommendations for corresponding skills, shield vs banshee etc

[stuck grotto]

Yeah, I suppose you're right. Ninjabike will get slotted into the group

And that's worse

[solar sable]

Banshee, Rev hive, emp sticky if you encounter hounds, Crusader/Striker Shield (from Firewall spec)

[burnt bone]

And forgive my boomer memory (I’m 23 😞 ) but did you say equalizer is also fine here

[solar sable]

ye

[burnt bone]

Yayyy

[hearty orbit]

for clarity's sake i imagine the 60% chc is a priority to maximize the benefit of backfire?

[solar sable]

yup, you get tons from backfire itself

[smoky latch]

36% IIRC

[burnt bone]

im around btw 👀

[onyx sage]

give me 5min

[burnt bone]

never :(

[odd elk]

so what skills should I run on a sniper build? just decoy and reviver?

[smoky latch]

For instance

Would make most sense I'd say

Or decoy and tactician drone alternatively is also nice

[odd elk]

yeah i was thinking that

just wanna keep everything as uninterested as shooting at me as possible id presume

[onyx sage]

foam also nice to help you land headshots, tactician drone good for pulsing as well

[onyx sage]

ign?

[odd elk]

ive been doing well with my headshots, all that div 1 pvp paying off yk

[burnt bone]

DonkyQuonck

[subtle bluff]

Should I ge ton too?

[burnt bone]

do you wanna VC 👉 👈 🥺

[onyx sage]

up to u

[hearty orbit]

is the KSG shotgun optimal? or would something like thorn with perfectly brazen work well too?

[onyx sage]

go to DFA, i'm in a vc already

[burnt bone]

oh bet

[solar sable]

OOOHH let me guess!
Tech tank, HornBreaker, OD or Strikers?

[solar sable]

almost any shotgun with high dmg and a nice spread (tight) with Brazen will do, you can use Thorn too, yeah

the recommended shotty is M870 Express for its spread, dmg and mod capacity

[grand girder]

I know I'm late but strikers memento with backfire is up there

can run 2 blue cores plus 1 blue and yellow from memento into crusader shield and you have alot of survivability

[smoky latch]

Why Express and not Custom when the Custom has a sliver better stats?

[solar sable]

oh it does? welp I'm just going for what has a tighter spread and high dmg, I never took a look at Custom

[smoky latch]

Left - Express
Right - Custom

I've always used the Custom. Did I really overlook the Express?

@onyx sage I know you're playing but maybe you can answer this when you have time?

[solar sable]

accuracy looks the same

[smoky latch]

Ya

[onyx sage]

any of them are the same

there's no functional difference

[smoky latch]

Ty

[burnt bone]

Do y’all prefer extra bullets or chd on your ARs

[grand girder]

dttooc

[burnt bone]

True I guess I’m vagueposting

I mean mods

[buoyant perch]

+20 mag is best, the rest crit chance or crit dam

[serene flare]

@buoyant perch

[astral yew]

i would normally use this one

or this

[hexed steppe]

😎

[buoyant perch]

^Non determined enjoyer

[hexed steppe]

or this

[burnt bone]

Meanwhile all I have is my silly little strikers + coyote and st Elmo’s ;-;

[hexed steppe]

easy to rectify

[solar sable]

I tried this last night... my God what else am I missing out on

[hexed steppe]

oh you like 🔥

[burnt bone]

But I’m missing the bits and pieces ;-;

[hexed steppe]

nice with shroud too

qol of mantis is 😍 tho

[buoyant perch]

Turmoil

[solar sable]

getting off Determined and practicing my aim on Sinkhole has made me a better player than I could think of

[solar sable]

oh c'mon

[solar sable]

yk what's funny? I like melee baiting enemies just to pop their heads

[indigo perch]

Any advice for building up and playing the F.I. set without shooting marshmallows? Would bittersweet help?

[subtle bluff]

You're a support, you buff the team for them to do more dmg.

You have no Crit or Red that is required to do dmg.

[mint shore]

Why can't I mark this as junk and deconstruct it?

[burnt bone]

It’s special, doesn’t take up inventory space tho

[mint shore]

Can I sell it? I already have one.

[subtle bluff]

Keep both with reconfigure to talents and the other RoF

[subtle bluff]

There are other support builds that may be what you want.

[burnt bone]

Naw apparently people kept getting rid of their lexingtons because they didn’t realize it had different stats, so the devs made stack broker impossible to accidentally get rid of

[subtle bluff]

More or less.

[slate wedge]

never sell your gear, it isn’t worth it

if you don’t need it destroy it, that will at least give materiald

that said Stack Broker is a Seasonal Named Item that you won’t be able to farm all year long so just keep it in the stash (and don’t reroll the weapon damage or damage to armor only the talent or maybe the third attribute)

[copper yarrow]

Can anyone please suggest a good way to build around the Chatterbox?

[patent fossil]

Works best solo, but hunters fury, memento and a ceska intimidate chest works pretty well.
Main problem these days is swapping to quickstep while running will make you lose your chatter stacks

[copper yarrow]

yea that sucks, swapping away makes me lose Bluscreen stacks too

[livid sorrel]

Good ol strikers

[grand girder]

works well with nego on heroic

(mind the music)

aslong as you proc the ROF buff before aggro starts you can use quickstep in between sections

[copper yarrow]

lmaoo

[subtle bluff]

I hate you...

[grand girder]

love you too pooks

[copper yarrow]

also thinking about trying a tinkerer striker build with measured and Frenzy. ANy suggestions for the Primary gyn pls. GR9? Stoner? MG5?

[grand girder]

gr9 all day

[uncut elbow]

I've thought about running this build, but I'm not sure how it would fair in terms of actual damage.

[grand girder]

Stat wise? will look great, actual gameplay? dogshit

[uncut elbow]

Had a feeling it'd be the case.

[grand girder]

Plus I'm assuming its smg because of sokolov yes?

you get 31% CHC from the gun and watch alone

then whatever mods you can apply to it or if we use backfire for example that is an extra 15%

in which you only need 2 chc from gear to achieve 58%

[uncut elbow]

Smg primary and AR secondary. Mostly grabbed 2x Soko for the 2nd buff

I picked a random SMG (The Purist) with perfect Streamline and it caps at like 75% crit without crit modifications on the weapon itself.

[subtle bluff]

You'd be wasting all of those CHC stats. Then may as well use a gearset at the point if you're gonna use an SMG with this build.

[small igloo]

It comes god rolled so all you need to do is change talent whenever you want.

[slate wedge]

if you really only wanna use it for stacking on Wright or Lovebirds for example you can roll RoF on it but that’s very specific

[shy terrace]

can yall explain how to stack heart breaker stacks cause it feels kinda hard to do on heroic especially

i have technicians laser before you ask yes

[subtle bluff]

Has your ADS it pulse things with laser. Has long has you're hitting them enough you gain stacks. If you're RPM is too low you will not gain stacks quick enough.

[shy terrace]

yeah i do its just that it doesnt stack fast enough for me

[subtle bluff]

What weapon are you using?

[shy terrace]

carbine 7