td2-build-advice

[obsidian lotus]

is odogs really that good though i mean ik is good if your target selection is good but i see a lot of people hardly use it properly, isnt centurions much better

[cerulean smelt]

if you feel like weapon swapping every few seconds

[meager fog]

CHC is best in slot for LMGs yes

[obsidian lotus]

not one singular button press 🙁

jk, but dam none of you Y Y 360 quickscope in the golden days of when games were fun?

[strong cave]

Memorize this, and ODogs becomes the very piece of gear you'll never take off

[obsidian lotus]

ah but you see, memento

[meager fog]

Overdogs even without prioritising targets is still a big boost to overall DPS

[strong cave]

I did, way way way too many times. Now I'm grown, 23, and can barely hit quickscopes now

[obsidian lotus]

im 26 and can feel this

[strong cave]

Put me back in that era and I'll stomp. Keep me in the modern AAA titles and I'll probably sleep 😂

Those games are designed to play against you on purpose. At least with div I know it's a build issue, RNG issue, and definitely positioning choice issues

[obsidian lotus]

or cheating

not that i throw hackusations often like half the playerbase BUT

remember, if anyone is better than you, they're cheating it's a very good rule to live by

[strong cave]

I tend to find telltale signs of people actually doing so. Even if someone is say closet cheating using only wall hacks or say radar cheating, and they know how to hide it, it's gonna be very hard to prove it fully

[meager fog]

Oh dear lord i'm old

[strong cave]

You genuinely probably are old enough to maybe be my dad

[meager fog]

I'm 36 lol

[strong cave]

(I'm the "nub" btw if you remember who it was that called me that)

[strong cave]

Honestly me being 23, you'd had to have had me at 13 to be my dad 😂

[obsidian lotus]

its not impossible

say hello to your father rn

[shell olive]

im 67 so lets move on

[native plume]

best backpack for FI build?

[obsidian lotus]

alps with opportunist or the fi backpack iirc

if you're doing opportunist you'll want a shotgun with sledgehammer

[quartz herald]

that's a let down tbh, akin to how keener's outfit prevents the use of masks

[subtle bluff]

☝️

[subtle bluff]

.

[obsidian lotus]

idk sometimes i like running FI bag with Alps empathic resolve then an ar with reformation for super heals

[subtle bluff]

If you're running with 190 repair ish you're already overhealing with chem launcher. The reason we don't suggest it mainly is it's uptime worth over just supporting better. The BP was used for earlier IH raids and incursion for the lasts fight were the healers had to keep everyone up because the DPS wasn't enough.
The issues with both Empathic and FI BP is that there uptime consistency isn't that high versus FI Chest and The Setup. Also have to remember The Setup is AMP not more TWD.

But you do you. This is the meta FI guide. I and many others have done a lot of this build.

[obsidian lotus]

oh no i did it as well, i just like the big healing from the hive with fi bag and reformation for legendary stuff

[subtle bluff]

Also OC always there for "Super Heals" but again you're overhealing with skills.

[strong crown]

Hello guys! I’d like to ask you a tip for a status effect full burn iron ling build, but since i do not have Vile nor Catalyst nor Overdogs exotics i don’t know which set to run. I saw few vídeos on ya with Ongoing Directive set. Any advice it’s appreciated

[subtle bluff]

Did what? The big heal is only from FI heal within 5m... We use that normal build in leggo better than what you're trying to say.

[subtle bluff]

Static Effects that can't scale it's base stats are very weak. Aka Skill are the ones.

[obsidian lotus]

the normal build

[subtle bluff]

Let me put it this way. I've used the "Normal" build with a group going thru zoo with 27m leggo but also have helps carry and teach sub 1k SHD thru Zoo too.

[subtle bluff]

Idk that answer all your question. YouTube video that show it kind of work aren't good builds at all even tho you can get away using if you have the other parts of the game down.

[shy willow]

If you want a burn build you can check the pinned spreadsheet for eclipse protocol

But the iron lung isn't gonna do much for you on it

Any damage focussed skill build it's basically a given that you use capacitor

[subtle bluff]

I need a new clip showing off EP..

[shy willow]

Complete global saturation

[subtle bluff]

Trying to think what's the area of ads in a challenging setting.

I wanna do like a 4man Challenging like just throw in a sticky and firestarter and clip that.

[shy willow]

How far can you go while being able to kill with one instance of fire anyway

[subtle bluff]

idk.. nevered thought about it

Maybe I do this same thing again but in a 4 man.

[shy willow]

Id never take it into legendary over foam but for heroic and below it's pretty good

[magic pilot]

Not very far

You have to rely on fire sticky

[shy willow]

Damn

I assume the bomb itself does some damage

[subtle bluff]

It's does the burn.

[subtle bluff]

The point idea as to showcase EP's
The one above is ok...

[tulip granite]

im using the set that has a seahorse on it does the amount healed to armour get buffed by incomming repairs or the other repair mod?

[subtle bluff]

Refactor, neither Skill Dmg

[tulip granite]

just was wondering what i could mod onto those parts i guess i will go skill haste

[subtle bluff]

No.

[tulip granite]

what are those mods called ingame the ones you break down for printer filliments

[subtle bluff]

CHC is better

[tulip granite]

chc?

[subtle bluff]

Gear Mods
CHC - Crit Hit Chance

[tulip granite]

ah ok just wanted to make sure me saying mods meaning gear mods not to be take out of context and get kicked due to talking about mods

[subtle bluff]

36 Skill Haste does like 1 ish quicker redeployment.

[tulip granite]

ah ok

[subtle bluff]

It's worth. If you're using Capa like you should it'll have you doing more DPS overall with CHC mods

[tulip granite]

my rank with those turrets are not great

[subtle bluff]

exp rank?

or Skill Teir?

[tulip granite]

yeah i am and the 30% dmg

[subtle bluff]

You're losing me... What "rank" are you talking about.

[tulip granite]

the thing you get for gaining xp with it

[subtle bluff]

Exp Rank.

I can't spell the word.

[tulip granite]

nor me

[subtle bluff]

But don't sweat exp isn't the end all be all thing. It's very much the end end game grind thing.

[tulip granite]

and how does it heal others is it others near me or others near turret and or drone?

[obsidian lotus]

so basically for striker you want to use 5 piece striker, ninjabike, sleigher for your primary and then an acr ss with reformation for your secondary

[tulip granite]

no im sick of strikers so boring

[obsidian lotus]

this makes striker fun again trust

[shy willow]

Doing damage with your skills heals you and your team scaled from the damage

[tulip granite]

yeah i know but im asking do they need to be near me or near my turret to get those heals

[shy willow]

No

[subtle bluff]

Ya don't listen to senn

[molten agate]

can anyone recommand me any rifle build?

ive heard ppl go CC with it

[tulip granite]

thought it would have a range

[subtle bluff]

OD

[subtle bluff]

CC? Crowd Control?

Crit Chance?

[obsidian lotus]

aces and eights, ninjabike, eagle grasp, fox's, m16 or acr with rifleman all headshot damage

it doesn't need stacks or a kill condition you just hit three headshots and you're dealing 2 mill a shot

[tulip granite]

for me im a fan of the chainkill determined setup just a pain if you mess it up

[subtle bluff]

Should ask a rifle DPS or One shot?

Need more context.. to your question.

[molten agate]

im looking for rifle dps

[subtle bluff]

OD Rifles is the best setup for that.

[molten agate]

CC = concentrated company

[subtle bluff]

we've dub that CoCo

because CC has too many other things.

[meager fog]

Cc = crowd control

[molten agate]

what is od?

[subtle bluff]

and some say CC is CHC...

[meager fog]

Ongoing directive

[molten agate]

trying to learn division terms xd

[obsidian lotus]

bro @subtle bluff you don't need to cross react with every build you slightly disagree with js

[tulip granite]

does golden bullet reanimate and so on events work in manhunt master missions?

[molten agate]

do i build crit or headshot dmg?

[subtle bluff]

Global Event yes.

But should turn off the Seasonal Modifiers for that season off.

[solar sable]

I hate it here

[tulip granite]

the compainion one?

[meager fog]

Yes

[obsidian lotus]

crit unless you're doing aces and eights, or one shot headshot then probably headshot damage

[meager fog]

Or whichever one was active for thst season

[meager fog]

Nobody does A&8

Set is awful

[tulip granite]

how come? does it not do anything or what? i did pact on master

[subtle bluff]

well no atm.. It's Manhunt Climax Mission is from a past season.

[molten agate]

ty, ima go farm tinkerer then

[shy willow]

It's passable with rifles now

[subtle bluff]

He said DPS Rifle...

[obsidian lotus]

i use a and e with ninja, eagle's and fox's all headshot damage with rifleman

[meager fog]

Uh...

[shy willow]

Plz

[subtle bluff]

And I bet it can't run thro heroic like the video above

[obsidian lotus]

it hit two mill a headshot

[magic pilot]

Aces is also just shit compared to other rifle sets

[meager fog]

Lol

[subtle bluff]

Cute that's a Bodyshot

[obsidian lotus]

well yea, its a crit build, thats sorta the point for your build

[subtle bluff]

hmmm? And that's of the OP was asking for a DPS build...

[shy willow]

Think most people go OD or high end for rifles

[obsidian lotus]

headshot dps is still dps...

[shy willow]

It's not consistent though

I don't remember what the stat was but the average headshot rate is like way lower than you'd think

[subtle bluff]

oooh he things that! I can use my gif

[magic pilot]

Headshot dps without HH is redundant

[magic pilot]

You get lower damage than crit and it's completely useless against chungas, and robotics

[shy willow]

I'm partial to glass cannon dread edict but the things really annoying to use with the forced scope

[obsidian lotus]

only against dogs, since hitting helmets will still count for sets like a and e or buffs like rifleman to actually buff the damage

[magic pilot]

Fun meme build but not great

[subtle bluff]

Edict use to be my Chunga/Boss killer for Hotshot

[subtle bluff]

Helmet don't count has Heads till you take it off

[shy willow]

It's a very nice rifle on its own merits

[obsidian lotus]

depends on the use case, for instance mrchow's build is 2 mil crit body with UIC, im 3 mill headshot with UIC, without a kill condition either

[subtle bluff]

There's no kill in that pic...

[shy willow]

Just wish the thing didn't have a forced scope

[obsidian lotus]

a and e and rifleman are buffed even if you hit helmets, just like how you can get bighorn stacks for helmet shots

[subtle bluff]

Go look again at the pics

[shy willow]

To be fair there are cases where they do, hotshot comes to mind

[tulip granite]

i hope div 3 will have recommended to be stealthy and use suppressers and sniper rifles as i love sniper builds on normal just for fun

[subtle bluff]

No.. If the target has Armor Plate over it's head it doesn't count has a Head.

[obsidian lotus]

no i mean it counts for buffs with headshot conditions, even if it doesn't give the headshot damage

like for instance reformation still procs if you shoot a helmet

[subtle bluff]

Aces8 doesn't care if it's a head or not...

[magic pilot]

Yea but they don't take hsd

[subtle bluff]

You're making a worse point to HS being DPS..

[obsidian lotus]

ik but with a and e youre still getting the extra card flip and cycling damage buffs even if the enemt has a helmet, youre still buffing your actual weapon damage, so it still works

[shy willow]

But yeah in any case building anything but the 1886 and most MMRs for HSD is kinda setting yourself up for failure

[meager fog]

Or HHF

[subtle bluff]

I forget I have a run of doing HS DPS... 💀

[shy willow]

Regulus/harvest and the m870 and any other outliers I might be missing notwithstanding

[subtle bluff]

And to the point again where OD just wins... 50% amp doing nothing..

[meager fog]

X another 30% sadist amp for simply existing

[obsidian lotus]

its 50% amp for getting a kill against someone with a status effect

a and e is 30% amp for just hitting three headshots

[meager fog]

Lol no.

Hollowpoint rounds gives a 50% amp for hitting an enemy with it

[subtle bluff]

You're not winning this argument..

[meager fog]

OD gives unlimited hollowpoint rounds

[obsidian lotus]

and how do you get hollow point rounds

[subtle bluff]

BUD.... Did you not read the talent?

[meager fog]

You only have to status the first enemy.

Hollowpoint causes bleed. From the first enemy the amp has 100% up time

[subtle bluff]

Hold on Dorky let's get his point of 3 HS get 30% amp

[shy willow]

I can't lie there's no situation where aces wins here

[subtle bluff]

I see I need to update Aces8 talent on the database

[obsidian lotus]

ik and im saying aces gives 30% or 50% for just three headshots, dont even need to kill, thats just one trigger burst of m16

[subtle bluff]

Where DOES IT SAY HS?

First off

[shy willow]

50 percent amp * 30 percent amp * 25 percent TWD is pretty busted

[obsidian lotus]

the part where you flip an extra card on a headshot?

[meager fog]

You dont need headshots for Aces...literally has NO effect on it

[obsidian lotus]

you flip an extra card, bringing down your five shots to get the buff to three

[subtle bluff]

Are we blind?

[obsidian lotus]

yeah, at the bottom, flip an additional card on headshot

[subtle bluff]

Yes it needs to add rifles to this but...

[meager fog]

Even with that...its STILL a poor set

[magic pilot]

So slightly better than just hsd but worse than crit

[meager fog]

And it doesnt have a 50% amp

Unless thats one of the pieces talents

[obsidian lotus]

50% with chest bro i said that, 30% normally

[meager fog]

Its still bad and has poor uptime

[obsidian lotus]

it has constant uptime if youre hitting headshots...

[subtle bluff]

Also that' 30% amp for the next shot

[obsidian lotus]

next 2, at least

[meager fog]

How can it possibly have consistant uptime when you require 3 shots to proc it for 2 possible shots with bad RNG 🤣🤣

[subtle bluff]

3 HS, for 90% ish for 30% amp for One shot.

Ok a chance 2-4 shots

[obsidian lotus]

the other two card pulls you can get are 3 or 4 shots, so you have a 66% chance to get a 3 or 4 shot amp, and since you just need 3 headshots for a deck it can chain

[subtle bluff]

Again.. here's the thing that build can't do what OD rifles does in the same time or matter

You're working against it all

[shy willow]

^

[magic pilot]

Aces chest is worse than glass

[shy willow]

Like it's not consistent at all

[meager fog]

Again. That is NOT consistent

Thats LITERALLY the opposite of consistent

[subtle bluff]

Go do a Heroic run and show us how good Aces8 does.

[shy willow]

To be fair you can run heroic with just about anything with enough dedication

It's not that Aces is like despicably bad it's just incredibly outclassed

[subtle bluff]

Sorry for the mess. Trinkerer is good but also Overdogs will do the trick too. There's a OD guide in the build hub.

[subtle bluff]

and effort

[obsidian lotus]

yea ik but i need to run a and e chest to do it cause i got eagle's and fox's in the other slots, and then ninja for bag

[shy willow]

Take ninja off...

[subtle bluff]

and NBB also nerfs your builds dmg and output

[meager fog]

I love how the A&8 being utter garbage distracted us all from the fact he's using NBB lmao well played

[obsidian lotus]

i'm getting weapon handling and rifle damage for fox's and eagle's with ninja on

or stability or whayever it is for fox's

[meager fog]

You're losing a massive dps boost by using it

[subtle bluff]

Soooo you're losing your DPS for stats to make up for your aiming HS's....

Where you could just Body and to normal stuff and do all of that for the same..

My replay I posted still just answer all of this.

[coral reef]

I thought this set was so cool when grinding it for expertise, the little card effects, the randomness of it. It really needs a buff.

[shy willow]

That's my main issue with trying to build rifles for headshots

[subtle bluff]

They tried to buff it..

[shy willow]

They handle so garbage that you have to sacrifice DPS for handling to get any semblance of consistency

[subtle bluff]

gave content creators another clickbait title.....

[obsidian lotus]

yea but without ninja i have to use a fourth a and e piece and then lose either the weapon handling or the rifle damage, and probably eagles or fox's too bc the aces bag sucks

[meager fog]

I mean, use what you want.

But you could just use a better set

[subtle bluff]

Again do you see where OD Rifle DPS is outright beating your "build"?

[obsidian lotus]

no, it hits for the same damage with a slower rate of fire weapon? that's the exact opposite of a build outDPSing another?

[subtle bluff]

Less effort to aim and recovery and doing more DPS.

[shy willow]

Literally just 4 pc aces, PGC, and a vigilance bag

[meager fog]

Oh dear...

[shy willow]

Whatever extra stats that ninja is giving you is arbitrary

[subtle bluff]

wait what? Slower RoF wapon?

[obsidian lotus]

i said earlier i hit 2 mill a shot with m16, uic is a slower firing weapon that you're hitting 2 mill for, you're doing less dps

[subtle bluff]

You're saying you can do this with your build?

Plz show us the way.

DPS doesn't care as much to Per Bullet dmg.

[meager fog]

You have poor uptime for your buff.

[subtle bluff]

but the amount of dmg that is done within a second.

[meager fog]

So your DPS is FAR lower

[obsidian lotus]

ik what dps stands for bro 🥀🥀

[shy willow]

This is assuming you hit a headshot and have a deck of cards already

[meager fog]

Your DPS also relies on RNG.

Which is inherently awful

[shy willow]

The uptime on OD is basically 100 percent which has already been mentioned

[subtle bluff]

So tell us what the DPS of your build is.

[obsidian lotus]

so do crit builds????

whatever the dps for the target in the firing range is, 19 mill?

im not at home so ill see later

[subtle bluff]

No doesn't doesn't count DPS correctly

[meager fog]

Firing range is terrible

Has been broken since release and will likely never be fixed

[subtle bluff]

If you seem know you should be able to know the math for it

[shy willow]

Wayyyyy more consistent than headshots in spite of what the chance in crit chance would imply

[subtle bluff]

Let's reference this. Sicne it does more DPS than your rifle build by far.

vs a DPS build.

Which was easier looking to do...

both OD builds looks better than the SMG one. I just can't clip to them.

[obsidian lotus]

look, guy asked for a build suggestion for rifles, and i have and use one i like, maybe it works for me better than others? idk but he asked for a suggestion, i like mine, so i gave it

[subtle bluff]

I fought against it because it's bad.

And not good for a newer player

[shy willow]

You can only argue preference up to a certain degree

If you like the card gimmick that's cool but it becomes misinformation when you claim it's mathematically better than something like OD

[subtle bluff]

I state facts. (i was wrong a once or twice above)

[obsidian lotus]

and i have, ik its shortcomings, but its not that bad, it just relies on headshots and ive made it so

[subtle bluff]

You didnt' stats nor share everything about your "build" and the cons about it.

[obsidian lotus]

i didnt say that exactly though, i said it had better dps than mrchow's build, which happens to use ogd

[subtle bluff]

And that's a lie.

[obsidian lotus]

i did, i recognise its not good against dogs or helmets (though it still buffs ofd helmets) just as nature of being a headshot build.

[meager fog]

It's objectively worse than all other rifle builds.

That makes it bad

[subtle bluff]

Not until we brought it up

[meager fog]

Like I said earlier, use what you want. Thats cool. 👍

[subtle bluff]

Rifle in general aren't great. They can be fun but they are not part of any DPS Meta builds.

[meager fog]

When someone asks for help with a build for something and you give them one with one of the lowest possible DPS, thats when it will get challenged 😀

[subtle bluff]

If we put either build against the normal OD version ya... not even close to it's DPS.

[obsidian lotus]

im saying it doesng have the lowest possible dps though

[subtle bluff]

It's pretty low...

[meager fog]

But it does

[shy willow]

It's not a particularly high bar

[meager fog]

Its one of the lowest possible DPS sets for a rifle

[subtle bluff]

GOD if I could post my YouTube...

[meager fog]

Other people can...

[subtle bluff]

I mean embed YouTubes..

[obsidian lotus]

not sure where exactly this comes into play, ogd isn't specifically a rifle set either, and so if we're arguing that shouldn't you just use striker and do what everyone else does and stack with an acs 12?

[subtle bluff]

We haven't mention once Strikers...

[shy willow]

Rifles don't have the means to keep stacked with striker...

[shy willow]

^

[subtle bluff]

Just on numbers Rifles are the lowest on the Charts.

At base.

ok well pistol maybe... but...

To also note on the RIfle OD run I did that took 4 tries because UIC and 2 other rifles I tried did not do enough burst DPS for me to able to clear some sections of the mission in that matter that push for.

[meager fog]

https://youtu.be/7uNixEXw8kY?si=vPzA7oY_H1CSwRLT

[obsidian lotus]

rifles on the base dps charts? is 713k for burst and 538k for sustain on m16

[coral reef]

easiest follow ever

[coral reef]

I meant this sorry lol

[subtle bluff]

haha. I swore you've seen them!

[meager fog]

Going off the rails.

If someone enjoys using rifles and wants a good build for it, you're not going to recommend strikers.

[subtle bluff]

Welp I am wrong when looking at all the weapon base DPS again.

[obsidian lotus]

ik 🥀🥀

[subtle bluff]

M16A2 Sadist (Active) 11,681,845 9,360,803
MG5 (P) Sadist (Active) 15,383,857 11,283,451
Lexington Sadist (Active) 14,997,150 9,168,643
M4 Sadist (Active) 14,440,991 8,830,385

[obsidian lotus]

yea rifles are actually ok for burst and sustain dps, assuming ig optimal dps, they're in a pretty similar range to ars themselves

[obsidian lotus]

i said base bro 🥀

[subtle bluff]

I said base

and I said i was wrong about that.

You only said DPS. nothing specific.

[meager fog]

When talking about builds, talking about base DPS is useless. You're talking about where your build takes that base.

[subtle bluff]

I have a too health of a passion of helping players but that comes with a con of disliking when players are being told bad or misinfo.

To Dorky point. DPS is a right a mix of DMG per bullet and RPM. Since all other weapons have more RPM it get a bigger boost in DPS.

[obsidian lotus]

i ask where you get these numbers?

[meager fog]

Maths

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?usp=drivesdk

No one uses the range for dps. It doesn't function properly

[obsidian lotus]

ty

[obsidian lotus]

ohhh it is iKia's table

thats the one i used for the base dps values

[hallow light]

build recommendation for doing legendary mission weeklies when I have sub-100 shd levels? Feel so squishy with striker + equalizer + coyote

[meager fog]

You're using the best build for them.

Just match make.

[hallow light]

would going armor cores help or should I keep reds?

[meager fog]

That depends on how you handle things. Personally, as you're such a low SHD level, you don't need to focus on the Legendary missions yet.

But if you do want to do them, it's best to be useful in other ways outside of DPS

Coyotes buffs your team mates, but only if you're within the range to give them extra CHD. THis is helpful.

I would say to take 5 red and one blue core. Just to give you an extra half second to get into cover.

Just let the others do the work and help where you can

[onyx sage]

you should keep reds. ideally you don't take much damage. it's good for you to start learning good positions

legendary at its core is about tactics, it's not really about dps trading unless you are willing to sacrifice a lot of damage. knowing the tactics and positioning to use is the best way to tackle them

[meager fog]

@hallow light listen to this guy.

He might only be Average, but he can teach you more than most people have forgotten.

https://youtu.be/tlaIygbujCk

@subtle bluff whats your best time? This could have been slightly faster. I was just trying something

[coral reef]

Will report later tonight

[obsidian lotus]

aces and eights build, sorry for bad ss on steam deck

this is with uic instead of m16

[coral reef]

Are you playing Div2 on steam deck?

[obsidian lotus]

sometimes

[coral reef]

I tried it but the framerate... have to try Div1 on it, i guess it runs much smoother

[meager fog]

Again.

The firing range is broken, and does not display actual DPS.

[obsidian lotus]

ss is not for dps, ss is for damsge per bullet

[obsidian lotus]

for comparison to this

[obsidian lotus]

so 2.6m per headshot on average, headshots are also easier because of all the weapon handling, yes build struggles against dogs and chungas but all headshot builds struggle more against dogs and chungas besides maybe one shot build

best build ever made? no but it is good rifle-specific build

[meager fog]

Damage per bullet is a useless stat.

[meager fog]

Aces and Eights is not a good build.

That's a fact.

[obsidian lotus]

but damage per bullet directly translates into dps values also, so, 2.6m damage vs 2.4m damage with same gun = 2.6m damage gun has higher dps value

[meager fog]

NO, because your average per bullet is not 2.6m

[hexed steppe]

i mean, dont we use damage per bullet when figuring one shot builds

[meager fog]

This conversation ended hours ago, btw.

[meager fog]

heh heh

[hexed steppe]

just saying. context matters

[meager fog]

50m Health goo foward incoming

[meager fog]

It does indeed. Context is that "Aces and Eights has higher DPS than Rifle OD" lol

[hexed steppe]

one a completely unrelated note: headshot builds gonna shine during golden bullet 😎

[hexed steppe]

wasnt here for that, no comment

[obsidian lotus]

that is my average though... far more often than the the average of the crit chance build

[meager fog]

I just discovered something ridiculous.
Strikers Turmoil golden bullet is stoopid.

[fossil crag]

Reading this lol. Look I might not like Mr crow or what ever his name is but to argue with him about DPS and an aces build is straight wild!!! Like bro you’re gonna lose this battle. I’ll say it axes is straight poo poo. They are trying to help you. They /we been at this game for 7 years. Nothing in your few months is gonna even come close to the R&D these 2 have done

[hexed steppe]

yeah i bet it is. anything golden bullet is kinda redic

[obsidian lotus]

i have played division since the first game's closed beta lil bro 🥀🥀

[boreal harness]

for ridgeways pride hunter, the hunters in countdown arent counting am i doing something wrong?

[fossil crag]

lol ok pal ok.

[meager fog]

I don't normally use it, but I joined a clan members game and I don't even think anyone else managed to get a golden bullet since my TUrmoil was accidentally killing all of them lol

[meager fog]

They don't count. Summit floor 100

[hexed steppe]

wouldnt you being setup the same way with od have a better uptime? considering you can self proc non stop. amps are amps, no?.. ide have to see the build and idk if it was posted previous or not

[hexed steppe]

sounds about right

[obsidian lotus]

yea, back when level 8 was the cap and a blue acr in dark zone was like gold dust 🥀🥀

[meager fog]

The issue was never that you were using Aces btw

The issue was that someone asked for a DPS rifle build and you suggested that. TO top it off...it has a NBB....

[fossil crag]

ninja for the LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[meager fog]

You are free to use whatever you want, but if it's posted here as advice it's going to get scrutinized

[obsidian lotus]

i explain why nbb, normally i wouldnt go for it but for this build it helps with the handling a lot

[boreal harness]

does anyone have a summit checkpoint in the 90s?

[fossil crag]

Its his game he paid for it, nothing yall are gonna say will change that If he truly been playing sice beta of div 1 and still trust the shooting range should explain everything you need to know

[meager fog]

#lfg-pc

[meager fog]

Oh we weren't trying to change their mind.

It's more that the build was posted as a direct response to a request for help.

[obsidian lotus]

the shooting range was to show damage per bullet not dps, i said before

[meager fog]

It's easy to headshot things in the shooting range.

Lets see it in action

[obsidian lotus]

in relation to another ss which shows the same thing

sorry wrong reply

[fossil crag]

I read it all I fully understand dog hahah. at some point you just gotta put your hands up and say im done cause you aint gonna get through with him HAha

[obsidian lotus]

this is an unfair criticism since it relates to player skill directly, i could also say your build is bad for someone who can't hit their target at all

[fossil crag]

shootrang- make build, go to range, shoot gun, yes gun works now I got test it at mission or open world

[meager fog]

It's not an unfair criticism.

Rifle OD has 100% uptime for all of it's buffs.

Aces and Eights has really poor uptime, if you're consistent with headshots it can have better uptime but it's still poor.

You recommended a build, you need to show it working.

[fossil crag]

Speaking of this OD rifle build can I peep it, I need some ideads for a pvp od sniper build ( yes i know riffles not snipers but I wanna see how its buiild for ideas

[meager fog]

I can show Rifle OD having 100% up time for all of it's buffs, because that's how the build works.

[fossil crag]

OD= magic bullets stupid OP OP

[meager fog]

OD won't work in PvP, since geting the buff requires killing an enemy. Fine to proc the initial Hollowpoints but requires consistant kills to keep it up.

It will fall off vs the Regen PVP builds

[fossil crag]

umm well IDK hoow I get it to work but I keep my team with magic bullets about 75% of the time, mine is 4r/2b it works

[meager fog]

Issue is that it takes too many rounds to kill someone in PvP. And most are running regen builds. OD mark doesn't last long enough to keep the rounds procced

I mean, you're free to try it. But just a forewarning, your team mates will not thank you 😛

[fossil crag]

Im not trying to argue, but honestly bro Im not having this prob, But I play a 4 man so we are very good about what we doing . I would say yeahh na im not running OD with out my team it wouldnt work one bit LOL

[meager fog]

For OD to work well as a support in PVP, your team would need to run Sadist, which means if those rounds go down your team loses ALOT of DPS

[fossil crag]

When I say im going OD they make the changes they need to

But im not arguing if i ran solo OD would be a 100% bad build LOL a no no hahaha

[meager fog]

It's literally just a basic Tinkerer OD build but you change the LMGs for Rifles.

Tinkerer mask, OD chest, kneepads, holster and gloves with Ceska Wicked backpack

Rifle talents would be Sadist and Pressure Point

[fossil crag]

Nice Nice thank you! yeah I cant use that that wont work in PVP I still wont touch the tinkering mask yet

[magic pilot]

Except when you face NBs regulus lol

[fossil crag]

NB..? ninja bike..?

[magic pilot]

❤️

[fossil crag]

lol didnt ahve my build then and yeahhhhh Aim bot is wild

[fair dragon]

Ninja buh-bye

[magic pilot]

Ninja boom maybe

He's still not cheating either. Has a fat ego now because he was only playing MnK for a few weeks

[fossil crag]

Ok pal ok

[magic pilot]

Everyone is cheating according to everyone else lol

[fossil crag]

and dont forgot once we regrouped and figured out what was happening yall lost every match

[hexed steppe]

THERE ISNT ANY NAMING/SHAMING GOING ON RIGHT

[meager fog]

No, no, no, no no

[magic pilot]

We played 1 more game against you as a 2 man

And lost yea

[fossil crag]

there are no names where we are going!!!!!

[hexed steppe]

its gonna stay that way

[fossil crag]

sorry bad B2TF refferance LOL

[magic pilot]

Nah he thought NB was cheating awhile back, just making jokes about it now

[fossil crag]

brah Im done LOL lol

[magic pilot]

He knows better now 😁

[hexed steppe]

take it to dm

[fossil crag]

im good baby boy!!!! I am done with that convo he said all I needed to see hahahahahaahahh moveing along! (we might need some roads were we are going this time though haha)

[hexed steppe]

sure thing.

[fossil crag]

And my bad bro!! if I crossed any lines!

[hexed steppe]

dude, just move on

[fossil crag]

You got it

[magic pilot]

I never tried OD in pvp

I can't imagine the uptime is very good, it doesn't have a PvP modifier does it?

[fossil crag]

as I said i keep my team with magic bullets about 75-90% of the time

[subtle bluff]

Dunno none of these are me trying to well to speedrun it. Maybe the HF Chameleon one.

[quartz herald]

ok question what is expertise and how do I raise it or benefit from it?

[solar sable]

Expertise is a system where you get a bonus percentage ranging from 1-30% off of base values from items. Weapon DMG for Weapons and Armor for Gear. Applying 30% Expertise on all 6 pieces of gear gives you a TREMENDOUS (this is sarcasm) one extra blue core off of base Armor.
You first have to get items Proficient by donating or using them. Once something gets Proficient, you can apply Expertise levels. Expertise levels are increased by having lots of items Proficient, check the Expertise tab in your Tinkering Station in your inventory.

As mentioned before, these bonuses are just nice to have and absolutely not mandatory. Expertise on Gear is basically useless but on Weapons is something that's good if leveled up.
(Please never forget that it scales off of base values)

[quartz herald]

Thanks alot, that's a very good explantion of it

[solar sable]

it's very straightforward

[quartz herald]

asking cuz a friend just got to 33 and he asked about it and I recall it had lvls that rises the weapon's dmg but no idea about it

[foggy imp]

So I’m running heroic countdown and rolled crit chance on bluescreen like suggested but I feel like I’m killing things slower than with damage to armor

[meager fog]

What build are you running?

Because killing slower with higher crit chance/chd ratio is not possible

[foggy imp]

Tipping scale

[meager fog]

And what is your current CHC?

[foggy imp]

55.5 crit chance and 105 crit damage

[meager fog]

Need to be at 60% for TS

[foggy imp]

I have everything rolled crit chance and running PGC with overdog

[meager fog]

You're already stacking CHD with TS, no need to be below 60% CHC

Also Bluescreen is crit starved. So not the best gun to use in general

[foggy imp]

So I should throw on a crit chance mod and just go over the 60% by 1.5 ?

[onyx sage]

yes

[meager fog]

Absolutely.

But also, don't use Bluescreen with TS. That crit starve will not help you

[foggy imp]

I have the 9.5 crit chance rolled on the weapon

[onyx sage]

you get 350% chd from the set, so your 93% chd (after you swapped the chd mod to chc) is going to be 443%. it's a lot of chd. you need to get your chc to 60% because of this

[meager fog]

It's crit starved because it has no mods with Crit chance

[onyx sage]

also what dorky said is right. genuinely if we're talking about minmaxing TS performance you wouldn't use bluescreen. you would be using m60 with frenzy or something else. bluescreen just feels the best on TS

[meager fog]

Or Iron Lung

Iron Lung would allow you roll ROF on the third attribute, as it has 10% CHC anyway

[foggy imp]

But isn’t iron long not good because of the shorter clip and for the m60 since I can put crit chance mods on it what’s the best 3rd attribute? Rate of fire of dta

[onyx sage]

not really

[onyx sage]

either rate of fire or chc, rate of fire is slightly better

[meager fog]

Using Bluescreen means you have no choice but to roll CHC, since you have no CHC on the gun itself

[onyx sage]

but iron lung even if it only goes up to 110 still has a bit faster reload. it's not always about mag size

[foggy imp]

Ok I will try to get a m60 with rate of fire and see how that works with the build I got instead of bluescreen

[meager fog]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tlaIygbujCk&feature=youtu.be just saying

[onyx sage]

yeah that link above is my solo tidal leg run with iron lung and TS. you can use any other LMG instead. i just like using IL for the fire

[foggy imp]

Damn I will try get that weapon what 3rd roll for that gun?

That weapon does shred

[solar sable]

on lmgs you almost always want chc

[foggy imp]

So crit chance basically on exotic lmg and rate of fire on m60

Trying to get used to tipping scale after running striker for so long is taking me some time lol

[coral reef]

Tipping scales with Iron Lung was an absolute beast on the last Krampus event on Heroic. Really easy to farm it with that build, damage went crazy really fast with those bullet sponges

[foggy imp]

I’m going to work towards the iron lung and m60. See how that holds down on heroic countdown

[magic pilot]

Don't you have to kill to keep it active?

[solar sable]

I would recommend decoy for TS, but why heroic cd? lol

[magic pilot]

It's only half a mag to the teammates so I find that slightly hard to believe, considering you don't even get 90% uptime in PvE as the non OD user

[meager fog]

Don't have to kill, just mark the enemy (hit them once while they have a status)

[magic pilot]

I know I mean for PvP

[meager fog]

Anyone can kill them.

But i agree it's crap for PvP

[magic pilot]

Your team would need to kill one marked agent every half a mag for 90% uptime

Doesn't seem likely

[onyx sage]

run negotiator too! no stacking needed. just blast away

[meager fog]

PvP has way too much armour and regen to make OD even remotely viable

[magic pilot]

That's what I'm saying, in what pvp world are you half magging agents and at that point why do you need more dmg lol

[subtle bluff]

I remember so dumbass trying to tell me it's viable and good in PvP.

[magic pilot]

I've always seen OD in pvp being super niche at best

Same with Hunters fury that was popular with ridgeway for a long time

[meager fog]

It would take 2 things to work in PVP.

An insane OD player, and an insane team.

Both of which would already be too good without the OD and would just be messing around nerfing themselves.

[subtle bluff]

FI would do better.

[meager fog]

My point was, if you can make an OD PvP build work you're already stupidly good

[nocturne current]

It's a bit old message but sorry i'l have to corrected you, you dont neeed 60% crit chance (if it's meant for PVE)

55% crit chance hell even 50% is more then enough

[foggy imp]

I’ve had good luck with max rolled gear and almost enough to get 1 exotic cache

[onyx sage]

for TS you need 60% lol. you get a lot of CHD from TS

[nocturne current]

For me it least 50% works fine for me on Tipping scales

[onyx sage]

read this again. you get to 443% chd. if you know how crit works what basically matters is the product of chc and chd.

if you have 60% chc and 443% chd, you can multiply 60 and 443 to get 26580.

if you kept 55.5% chc instead just to squeeze 12% more chd, you'd get 25252.5. it's a lot less than above

[onyx sage]

yeah but working fine isn't what we're striving for here

[foggy imp]

@onyx sage I already notice a huge difference just from that 5%

But if you responded I didn’t see. Crit chance on iron lung and fire rate for m60 correct

[onyx sage]

fire rate on both ideally

iron lung has 10% chc as a mod so you're not as cramped, m60 can fit 15% chc from 3 mods

[nocturne current]

Bulletking is also a solid choice for LMG's

[onyx sage]

but also yeah if we're talking about other builds for pve like striker or something else yeah you don't need to overcap chc that much. but these builds also don't have anywhere near as much chd as TS

knowing how the math works helps a lot here

[foggy imp]

Yeah I just wiped out an entire door spawn with TS by myself which I’ve never been able to do before lol

[solar sable]

less dmg than with Bluescreen or Iron Lung, I used it for a couple of days and you sacrifice dmg for not reloading

Although I'm not saying it isn't fun

[onyx sage]

heck even if you had 59% chc, it would still be better to overcap to 65% and it would still be more damage

[nocturne current]

It's player personal preference for LMG's

[subtle bluff]

Yes 50 CHC will work fine... If you want it to do better well now you know.

[foggy imp]

Just that 5% jump for me made a world of a difference so thank you guys

[nocturne current]

Also for the Ongoing directive build you need to apply a Status effect one a NPC/Player then kill to have "magic" bullet's

[meager fog]

You do. Don't correct people if you're wrong.

[subtle bluff]

Plz stop bring up old stuff.

[meager fog]

You don't need to kill.

You can mark the enemy and let team mates kill them.

Again, stop trying to correct things.

[subtle bluff]

We can get more specific....

[nocturne current]

I was gonna be more specific if you run Solo my bad dog

[subtle bluff]

Does it matter if it solo or not?

OD works the same way.

[meager fog]

People don't understand how much of a difference 1/2/3% CHC makes. Until you remember how many rounds you're firing

Think of it like this:

Pointless stacking CHD if you arent hitting the maximum amount of crits available to you when your set relies on hitting crits.

[nocturne current]

But yeah if it's group play your teammates can shoot the "Status effected" guy to apply hollow rounds"s you can also use the Grudge for perfect vindictive gives you and your team crit damage's buffs

[meager fog]

We know.....

[subtle bluff]

there we're done trying to explain what's already is here...

[nocturne current]

I'm just saying for the new player's here no need to be hostile

[subtle bluff]

what new player?

your coming late to someone that you haven't read the contexts too.

[meager fog]

Nobody was hostile.

You brought up a 2 hour old conversation for the benefit of nobody. Made several "corrections" that were incorrect.

[nocturne current]

It's their build or rather playstyle let's not turn this into a argument and let's just move on... enjoy rest of the day.

[meager fog]

It already ended, hours ago with the player being given the best advice for their build

[copper yarrow]

Bruhh how?

[subtle bluff]

it's meme... most of a shot at someone that supposedly knows what he's talking about. Once you learn how this game works this makes sense.

[copper yarrow]

I'm guessing they hit a headshot with the chem launcher with full HH stacks?

[subtle bluff]

most of it

[copper yarrow]

I'd like to learn, can you pls explain a bit

[subtle bluff]

You've pretty much got it

[copper yarrow]

Lol okay then

[subtle bluff]

it's go try it out and play with it.

I'm sure you'll figure it all out.

[molten agate]

can i use unstoppable force instead of wicked for my OD build?

[subtle bluff]

You can. It's slower and has less uptime but can build lil higher in dmg.

[molten agate]

one more question, is tinkerer build better than overdogs build on dps?

[subtle bluff]

there on par.

[nocturne current]

I would like a make a build for a Smart sticky build any suggestions or advice of which gear pieces i should farming for?

[subtle bluff]

MA hybrid maybe. Would need more context.

[nocturne current]

I'm sorry but what is MA?

[subtle bluff]

Measured Assembly

[nocturne current]

It is more of a PVE content not that you guys thinking of PVP content 😉

Mainly Legendary group missions

[subtle bluff]

it's mostly the latter I needed.

MA and Smart requires your team to stay close to you for it to be a value.

I have a hard time recommending MA due to it mainly being a crutch for teams that can't DPS targetes correctly.

[nocturne current]

I got two unicorn pieces Hermano backpack and overwatch brazo"s soo i've being thinking what about yellow striker set and specialisation technition for free skill tier?

[subtle bluff]

eh...

I only carry Hermano to recharge stuff between fights or loudout swaps

There are much better BP for support.

overwatch is kind mid but at that point Beacon actually does more.

[nocturne current]

Depends on which area i'm at it off course like one arena lots of cover

[subtle bluff]

Again very mid.. You can't just stay in cover the whole time some places you can't take cover.

[quartz herald]

Regarding expertise, does it increase optimization or recalibration or whatever materials or prevent me from using library stuff on it? or is there only positives to do it ?

[magic pilot]

Yellow striker

[gloomy spruce]

Expertise is its own thing. It just grants an additional buff on top of the attributes that an item already has.

Recalibration and optimization are their own way to maximize stats on an item.

If you have a weapon that already has +15% Weapon Damage; each tier of expertise adds another 1% to the weapon damage stat.

Maxing out the Weapons stat through optimization or recalibration is the first thing that you should do before bumping up the expertise.

[hexed steppe]

I would go even further and not expertise any weapon that the talent isnt able to recalibrate anytime , not including exo or perfect talents obv.
Correct attributes with rollable talent , like lex are perfect examples of worthy weapons imho

[kind epoch]

do any loadouts utilize devil's due or is it a useless ceska piece?

[buoyant perch]

Useless

[kind epoch]

oh damn ok 😂

[quartz herald]

yup, it's the one I added expertiese to

[gloomy spruce]

Devil's due relies on a talent that has been severely nerfed. Health has been a discouraged stat for a while and the devs have made talents like Clutch and Entrech almost a complete waste of resources by requiring that they are only active when you armor is at low levels.

The devs have made attempts to make health worthwhile, but sadly they are still unwilling to proceed with anything that might enable a meta similar to year 1's Clutch/Berserk meta.

Often there are damage talents just about always win out anyway.

[solar berry]

Clutch can be a thing in Div3 🙏

But clutch is more of a PvP than PvE talent anyways

[gloomy spruce]

In year one of the game, Raiders would use a berserk/clutch build to face tank on buddy and lucy while headshotting them viciously the entire fight with a vector.

[solar berry]

I remember those days

Yet year 1 was completely different than today

Talent, talent passives, weapon passives, Div1 armor system (which felt not optimized, when comparison to div1 itself), def can felt better, 6 pc gearsets and ect.

Game felt better in some ways yet very different compared to today

[molten agate]

what is the best attribute for rifle? is it DTOC or DTA

[solar berry]

DTOC for anything

Chc on LMGs, since have baked in dtoc

[molten agate]

is the difference big enough to ignore full DTA and grind for DTOC?

[subtle bluff]

I'd say yes

[solar berry]

DTOC, enemies is 80%+ out of cover and far more easier to pull out of cover. In PvP your also 80+ more like 90+ out of cover.

Armor is strictly for arm. As like the dogs, they are health based.

DTOC ads to anything arm and health when they are out of cover

[gloomy spruce]

I remember telling people who wanted all of this on the forums that this is the place that we'd wind up in. Still, we are in a good place overall.

I do wish that in PvE that Vigi wasn't so painfully dominant. Vigi/GC was the devs alternative to Berserk/Clutch. I feel cheated to a degree.

Still, the paths to power are a lot easier to follow in the current gear system.

[molten agate]

back to countdown ig...

[solar berry]

It’s far more easier and very simple overall today.

Yet at launch def wasn’t optimized and a big headache for the devs

Ngl, PvP was also better back in Y1 vs now of how the game is played

It truly felt closer to Div1. As for Div 2, red cores over anything. Even in PvP, if you run a full blue or some blue in PvP it sucks. Yet blue cores until maybe 4x minimum hurts a lot in PvE over than PvP

I hope PvP gets better in Div2. Yet we have few more years till div3 is out

I have a feeling they will keep it closer to Div2 with Div1 in the mix somehow

[gloomy spruce]

I remember 3 or 4 years ago saying that Div 3 would be at least 5 years away. I hate the fact that shoddy prediction of mine might be true. I would have loved to have been wrong on that.

[solar berry]

I also hope there is support with DLSS. But who knows if crossplay is a thing at the time.

Loved (redacted) game. It felt like Div2 with Div1 moment and ect. I can see them kinda being closer to that

[solar berry]

It def could have. I don’t think that had a full team or full steam in development at the time compared to now or recently

We will see info or whatever on what they be cooking for Div3 with 27th till couple years from now

Yes I give it a big gap, cuz who knows when they will spoil us

[meager fog]

Its highly likely that Div3 will have crossplay.

It's Sonys fault that Div2 doesn't lol

[gloomy spruce]

Consoles are a murky question right now. I am unsure if there will be another line of Xbox's or if Playstation will be as exclusive as it once was.

Console's future existence might just be to stand as a cheaper dedicated alternative to gaming pcs.

At that point, everything will be cross platform. No one has the infinite ZIRP(Zero Interest Rate Policy) money supplies to stage another console war.

I would at least hope during this period of time the devs would use the opportunity to make changes to the gear and seasonal systems that will form the foundation of Div 3.

The modifiers and new gear seem to be a step in that direction.

Finding a way to make dead stats like health viable again could create competition to the current Vigi/GC playstyle meta.

Finding a way to bring back berserk(while hated by some) would also open the meta. Vigi is too integral to most high end player's builds in PvE to nerf at this point, so the other backpack talents need to be examined.

[molten agate]

hi just got a question about ur tinkerer rifle dps build. does weapon matter as long as they are killer/sadist? if it matter can you give me some options??

[subtle bluff]

doesn't matter on rifle. It's really up to the player

Just note that rifles isn't any special for DPS it is something for fun. Reason made the build so players can have a decent DPS rifle build.

Also you can use Pressure Point instead of Killer too.

[strong cave]

Is boomerang still one of those bugged talents for Tinkerer? Or did they fix that shit yet?

[cloud sluice]

If the Contractors, Picaros, Foxes and memento are all best in slot what are the mask and chest equivalents and are all 6 pieces together a functioning build? 🤔

[astral kraken]

none of those are best in slot

you're probably looking at old info

and memento was never best in slot

[cloud sluice]

I watch a lot of Kamikazevondoom content tbh

[astral kraken]

he doesn't know what he's talking about

and misleads people to get clicks

(and that's not a controversial statement)

[cloud sluice]

Ok, So if neither of the items I mentioned are best in slot then what are as individual items, ie not part of a brand/gearset? 🤔

[astral kraken]

best in slot isn't really a good way to think about it

[shy willow]

There isn't a single best in slot

[astral kraken]

some items are best in slot for specific builds or build types

[shy willow]

There's best in slot for specific build archetypes

[astral kraken]

jinx! you owe me a soda

[shy willow]

Rip

[cloud sluice]

Misled by YouTube once again 😒

[astral kraken]

what exactly are you trying to achieve?

like are you trying to create your own build... or figure out what's a good build... or?

[cloud sluice]

Knowledge more then anything as I've got some really good tank and dps builds already, I'm only 7-8 months into td2 so there's a lot of builds to put together and understand how the science works

[astral kraken]

these guides should get you started:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZjgPjFe5WL3zvkJje1Si2fgLxgVLij8I?usp=drive_link

weapon damage calculation is definitely worth understanding

[cloud sluice]

Thank you, I'm familiar with Ikia but I don't think I've ever watched any of his content, But DJ Tickle has mentioned him as a reliable source of info 👍

[astral kraken]

best source of info hands down

if you really wanna understand how the game works watch his stuff

and if you have specific questions you can always ask here

[cloud sluice]

Ok will do, Thanks again and it looks like I have a lot of reading material to go through 😒

[meager fog]

iKia goes into alot of detail about the math and reasoning behind everything, but explains it in a way that's easy to understand

His info is second to none

[hazy steeple]

His editing is another matter, but the info is indeed very solid.

It's 100% okay if you find it too much though, feel free to just ask here and we'll filter it down for you.

[cloud sluice]

Definitely information overload 😂

I have subscribed to his YouTube as well

[sharp folio]

Guys how do I get the mosquito pistol?

[versed summit]

Targeted loot pistols basically

[cerulean smelt]

Challenging Countdown with buying an exotic cache every 2-3 runs increases the chance
Priority Objectives with Exotics as reward
possibly Retlations via blueprint from one of the factions. hopefully not Ryker and Cleaners unless they're included into the DC factions

[sharp folio]

Someone sent me a shield build for countdown so that's why I'm asking here

[magic pilot]

Tbh it probably isn't worth building

[sharp folio]

Why?

[magic pilot]

For one tank builds are pretty bad outside specific raid roles. 2 mosquito is rarely used outside some very specific Strats

[sharp folio]

Then give me a "better" shield build

[magic pilot]

Tech tanks by Ikia

[sharp folio]

And what exactly is that? And where can I find it?

[magic pilot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/h0eY03FSGhw?si=L2vWm6jvxFOAlbl_

[sharp folio]

Also why are we mentioning raids when I said for countdown-

[magic pilot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/J27pIHIYXZI?si=urFSUgPbljgEORWv

[magic pilot]

Because tank builds aren't used outside the raids, aka not recommended for countdown

Both of the above linked videos would be good for a tankier "bruiser build"

[sharp folio]

What is this anyway?

[magic pilot]

Emp grenade

[coral reef]

wow I was peeping the Tech Tank thing and iKia already updated it with some new Unit Alloys pieces, dudes a machine

[sharp folio]

Idk what's it for so

And what is "bruiser build" anyway?

[magic pilot]

Tanky shield build, exactly what you asked for

[dull comet]

4 piece cavalier w/ pointman chest and protector backpack, hazpro on all gear.
When I see everyone in countdown running strikers theres enough DPS, I like giving the bonus armor and shared hazpro to allies helps with the Hunters emp.

[solar sable]

I feel like EP Foam is far more useful than a tank

[vestal ibex]

Countdown so fun you gotta make it longer.

[obsidian lotus]

you use sleigher to give the enemy bruises

[stone python]

should i keep this piece of gear

[hearty owl]

no

[subtle bluff]

there a Farm Guide what to keep list in it in the Build Hub

[coral reef]

point me to that please, where is it?

[subtle bluff]

In the Buid Hub just search Farm Guide in there.

[astral kraken]

doesn't help

[subtle bluff]

running incursion and carrying 3 people again last night hurts...

Red Salvo BF with either Overdogs/BK is too good.

[cerulean smelt]

you got that summer Nerf Water gun?

but like purple minitank said. doesn't help, you're literally dead weight making them pull your damage and their own. even if you went the 2 imminence pieces to "generate 100% threat" so they focus you but since you do no damage they'll eventually just ignore you

[dull comet]

Respectfully disagree.

[solar sable]

Bro thinks one hazpro tank carries 7 DPS players in Countdown 🤣

[subtle bluff]

I mean if you're actually hazpro you should just sticky the hunter then proc any of the many debuffs for help burn it down.

[cerulean smelt]

incoming skill damage and you'd have to stay out of cover
but it's still not much 😹

[solar sable]

definitely more useful

[cerulean smelt]

well, 3 isn't it? because the 2nd group would have to have someone of the same build doing that as well to get all 8

[subtle bluff]

I never remember what some of these silly gearsets actually do..

[cerulean smelt]

same, think they skill damage was added after it went public

[solar sable]

two dead weights and 6 DPS then 😆 🤐

[cerulean smelt]

PTS i think it was just purely reduced damage. public let's make it skill damage 😹

[cerulean smelt]

2 dead weights who can't take cover 💀

[astral kraken]

Unfortunately you have no way of proving otherwise. As a DPS player, I can tell you that - no, you are not helping me.

I would much rather you CC and apply debuffs or just bring DPS. That would help me.

[solar sable]

hence my first comment on this

[subtle bluff]

I mean seriously if used The Setup, Scorpio and a Stick it is support then...

I mean Blue OD support is a good balance there

[astral kraken]

In fact you'd be more help running 4pc FI (to give everyone +30% amp damage) and faraday to completely bypass the hunter EMP for the whole team on extract. And bypass the EMP for your subgroup on spawn.

[cerulean smelt]

blue refactor? 🤔

[subtle bluff]

There's also a blue EP support thing that we've....

not mention...

[cerulean smelt]

i'm joking on the refactor blue build honestly 😹

[subtle bluff]

I tried doing a Trinkerer Refactor w/BP...

[astral kraken]

When your entire build is invalidated by a single skill (that any build can use) then there's a problem.

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine it wasn't good

[subtle bluff]

ya... it was asss

Capa is too good.

[cerulean smelt]

i once tried an oxi refactor 🤦‍♂️

i even thought a status effect refactor could work well, but realized it's not great no matter what i try

[subtle bluff]

Ya.. it's interesting thought.

[cerulean smelt]

would probably be OP if we could do 4 EP and 4 Refactor 😹

[subtle bluff]

It'd be silly

[stone python]

Thank you very much sorry for the late reply

[foggy imp]

If I’m running 4 pieces of striker with the Lexington would it be a good idea to do the PGC chest and the gift backpack or would I be losing out on damage not running striker backpack

[meager fog]

You're losing damage. PGC is an excellent piece to use.

[cerulean smelt]

the 2 pieces is entirely upto you honestly. usually Coyote's because striker lacks chance in general

[meager fog]

Coyotes falls behind Overdogs

[cerulean smelt]

i rather go ceska and some other piece honestly

[meager fog]

Strikers stacks are their own amp, easy to hit a decent CHC because you don't need to invest too much into CHD

[solar sable]

PVGC Strikers is just for adapting a different playstyle, it doesn't shine too much if you cannot land headshots or keep Vigi active

[meager fog]

Its why its one of the most versatile builds in the game

[foggy imp]

So coyote ceska or ceska overdog if I don’t want to be one tapped lol

[solar sable]

can do pgc overdogs tho, chc may fall to 53-ish

[cerulean smelt]

gc/pgc is really 10% off in damage you take so really makes no difference which you go

[meager fog]

You can't be one tapped because health gate. Learn how to use it to your advantage.

There is only one place in the whole game where taking damage is unavoidable.

You can negate 90% of it through good positioning alone

[solar sable]

health gate sometimes likes to pretend it doesnt exist

[cerulean smelt]

wish i kept that comment about being 100% haz pro, but i still went down from the shocking floor 😹

[solar sable]

ain't that right @grand girder

[copper yarrow]

On a ND build with bluescreen, would it be better to have DTA on bluescreen and then use ceska chest with GC or put CHC on bluescreen and use the PGC ?

[foggy imp]

Yeah I like PGC with overdog and Lexington with measured. For some reason after that combo I hate using st Elmo lol

[astral kraken]

outcast rusher is doing a tutorial on healthgate tonight at 9pm

[solar sable]

chc, bluescreen is crit starved

[meager fog]

Measured Lex is a really good choice

[cerulean smelt]

someone like me. never really liked elmo honestly 😹

[meager fog]

I love Elmos, the mag size is hard to move away from when you've used it for a while. Lexington feels jarring, although it is technically stronger.

[copper yarrow]

I'm getting to 60 CHC via ceska chest too, just wondering which will give more damage, DTA on bluescreen or PGC

[cerulean smelt]

not by much apparently 😹

[onyx sage]

the case where burst dps isn't always the answer

[astral kraken]

stronger in some ways, weaker in others

elmo has better reload and mag dmg. and the cc is useful if you learn how to plan around it.

[cerulean smelt]

keyword. plan

[astral kraken]

use a secondary and check the meter every once in a while

when you see it fill up and you know a mob is coming, switch off

[meager fog]

On higher difficulties its pretty easy to plan your CC though. Can dump entire mags into Chungas to get the CC up lol

[cerulean smelt]

i have horribl luck with it. they always do this shocking glide on the floor as if they're not shocking

[astral kraken]

i love that

[meager fog]

I love how you shock them, and they bend over behind cover and don't want to stand back up...

[onyx sage]

i honestly like elmo the most with nego. lex just doesn't cut it for me

[solar sable]

i'd say... pgc? I can't really tell for nego

[cerulean smelt]

this too 😹

my nego has turmoil in it 💀

[onyx sage]

crungo

[copper yarrow]

Ummmm

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, just a funnish build to run every once in a blue moon

got it running Merciless to boot 😹

hides cooking utensils

[meager fog]

I have an admission...I use Turmoil strikees for everything below Master these days....its just so fast to clear lol

[cerulean smelt]

that was my first goto when i got turmoil

[meager fog]

And it actually makes Striker chest a bit more useful in Heroic since you can pump more shots into an elite while killing everything else

[cerulean smelt]

then i'm like fiending for them time trial missions via Leagues but they're like hey we're doing away with leagues! NUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! sighs

then pair those missions with Quick Step? 🤔

[haughty ferry]

What should I focus on skills and perk wise as a new player doing the main story mode? Any combination that is good?

[meager fog]

Just play around with things.

A build isnt important until level 40

[cerulean smelt]

Revive hive for those oops moments

[grand girder]

…

[hexed steppe]

Run chc on your bluescreen. I understand you are already hitting 60 but itll allow you to relocate some rolls to chd.
As a nego bluescreen main when I dps, I 100% guarantee youll want to do this

Are you already using overdogs?

[copper yarrow]

Yes this is my exact same build

[hexed steppe]

Its important to hit 60chc, you could probably add pgc if you can still meet the correct chance

This setup is super good anyways. Using transfer to abuse overdogs amp

[copper yarrow]

I have a fully optimised expertise 30 bluescreen with DTA. Now I gotta recalibrate it and optimise it again oof

[hexed steppe]

Well try it out and see if its already set that way

Transfer also double calcs dta if mark and target are armored , I just dont think it outweighs the chance roll. But this is just min max on one of the top performing dps in the game. There is flexibility

[copper yarrow]

Yea true that. That build is my absolute favourite one. The TTK for groups is insane

[hexed steppe]

You know about proccing bluescreen on demand right 🤔

[thick meteor]

Guys, what should I put in on my lexington? (Attachment wise) I run the russian sight, short grip, and suppressor the 50 round extendo mag as well

Just need tk know of this is good or bad

[subtle bluff]

Depends on your build.

[meager fog]

I taught him everything you know about Bluescreen Dilemma 🤣

It was me who made him use it...i created a monster

[meager fog]

For most, you'll be using Crit Chance mods

[versed summit]

Critical mods and mag size are best.

Not sure if you're using the accuracy or stability suppressor, but for the most part you don't need either as it has great handling already.

[foggy imp]

I thought ikia did a video that showed how close it was to st Elmo without even having a talent on the lex

[meager fog]

It's close.

Elmo has the upper hand because it has 20 extra rounds and a faster reload.

It also has in built CC

And has 15%CHC and CHD innately

[thick meteor]

The short grip and russian sight has 10% chd for each attachment

[shy willow]

Crit chance is more valuable

[thick meteor]

I just added the suppressor, because it looks good,and I got 50 in the mag

[meager fog]

Leaving you crit starved.

5% Chc is worth more

[subtle bluff]

Elmo Big mag, no dmg talent
AR's Dmg talent.

[thick meteor]

I have around 41% chc, I just need to get more added in my mask, and some good chc mods and max out my chc chance kn the watch

[meager fog]

41% CHC is awful

[thick meteor]

Yeah, i know, I just need more time to grind

[meager fog]

You could already have 51% by using the crit mods on the gun

[shy willow]

^ CHC mods on your gun gives your builds more flexibility

[meager fog]

No point having good Crit Damage if you crit less than half of your shots

[versed summit]

It really does lol

Doesn't really matter if you use CHC or CHD mods, you just need to balance them for a good crit ratio

[foggy imp]

Is there a good build or way with striker to make sadist talent work on an Ar or do you need to use a status effect gesr set

[smoky latch]

Ongoing Directive gear set is perfect for that

[solar sable]

OD is best for bleed and Sadist

[foggy imp]

So sadist and then pair it with the pesti or maybe the carnage lmg?

[solar sable]

tinkerer, ceska wicked/vigi, mg5/gr9/m249 with killer and another lmg with sadist

[molten agate]

about ur bluescreen dilemma build, is it better to swap coyate mask for overdogs? what about equalizer for chest?

[solar sable]

absolutely fine to use, just make sure you are close to 60% CHC

[molten agate]

but overdogs pull more dps right?

[solar sable]

overdogs are just BiS for almost any if not every dps build

[cerulean smelt]

hits hard as long as you understand the tiers i think, but i stashed mine honestly

[solar sable]

traitor!

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just too dumb to shoot at things in order. i'll just point gun and shoot

[hexed steppe]

it directly replaces coyotes in most builds . very easy to abuse with nego

[wispy hollow]

How is that done ?

[hexed steppe]

using a skill to trigger the effect. primarily emp sticky since it can go into short cooldown

[young nimbus]

Hey everyone! I was able to get the blueprint and build the pakhan from retaliation but am not able to buy the blueprint for the reconfig - just wondering if this is normal? Thanks!

[foggy imp]

Is Ceska overdog still better than unit overdog ?

[subtle bluff]

It's a bug they haven't fixed.

[subtle bluff]

Why are you saying still?

[young nimbus]

Thanks for the fast response!

[foggy imp]

Some reason I thought someone mentioned the fire rate and quick reload could be better than Ceska but I could be mistaken

[subtle bluff]

UA brandset is new to this season so..

[foggy imp]

So to answer the question ceska is still preferred and better

[subtle bluff]

Mostly No but can be yes for some builds. Since the context isn't fully there to your question.

[foggy imp]

4 piece striker with either Ceska chest obliterate and overdog, or perfect obliterate to go in place of Ceska, all reds build

[cerulean smelt]

if you fancy it, chest strike with Salvo for 10% fire rate 😹

honestly, that's probably something i'd do

[astral kraken]

They're almost identical. Ceska has 2% more mag damage. Equalizer has 2% more burst dps. Sustain dps is <1% difference.

The game generally favors more burst so Equalizer is the choice right now.

[ornate leaf]

New combat engineer build still in field testing.

[fervent cargo]

DO I want to click on 'LINK TO SPREADSHEET' or the Google Docs Link in the Pinned Comments. Just trying to find a good DPS build

[gloomy spruce]

Interesting, so are you intending for this to be a skills + weapon damage build?

[gloomy spruce]

Link to spreadsheet, the first link. The second link is a damage calculator.

[fervent cargo]

Dang ok so when looking at this spreadsheet

where would i begin;......little overwelming

[cerulean smelt]

There's a link inside build hub

[gloomy spruce]

It is. There should be a cell on the right hand side that says hub(builds). Click on that cell as if it is a link.

[fervent cargo]

the ones that say Reddit, Google Driv, etc

oh wait

build outline????

[gloomy spruce]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1509999994#gid=1509999994

[fervent cargo]

yea i have that open

[gloomy spruce]

This was the easiest way for them to create a collaborative simple to update build site. The problem is that for many people the thing is difficult to navigate.

[fervent cargo]

so link under column LINK.....thats where I will find the items needed for the corresponding build

I understand.....its actually done really well to be honest. Just a lot of ingo

[gloomy spruce]

docs and the link when you highlight it

[fervent cargo]

sometimes the link says Evernote, Reddit, etc

[gloomy spruce]

It is well done. Just not that intuitive when you are starting out.

[fervent cargo]

oh wait those links are for stuff other than builds right??

[gloomy spruce]

They have entire guides

[fervent cargo]

are most of the red builds using items that have been out for a while.....heres a question, in the last two years, has there been a decent amount of new gear items released

or would you consider not so much....trying to see if maybe I may have most of this stuff in my stash already

will the DOC links tell me where to go or do I just target those items when in the open world/doing tasks??

[gloomy spruce]

There has been a lot of new gear released, but a lot of it is still being explored in my opinion. My suggestion is stay within the basics as you are starting out and then experiment slightly as you learn more about the gear system.

[fervent cargo]

thanks again for your help man. IT's actually a nice document just ALOT of info

[gloomy spruce]

The gear released the first season after Wony is the most well known. The stuff after is still kind of the awkward items that we are all still trying to understand in some ways.

An example of this would be striker. There is this guide which is helpful when you are first starting out.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

Yet, we now have overdogs gloves which is to many a better choice over coyotes mask. Then again you have people like me that solo a lot and prefer the use of exodus gloves when solo. Also the salvo was just released this season which also adds more of an option. Some players I know use the nimble holster to recover armor.

So there are lots of options, but understanding the basics is important just as a first start.

[fervent cargo]

I am looking at the Tipping Scales

so would I just take note of the gear items needed and then start hunting for those items

[gloomy spruce]

Yep, and taking a note of certain strange items that drop as well.

[fervent cargo]

what you mean exactly

[gloomy spruce]

Those items could eventually become new options as you learn more about the gear system.

[fervent cargo]

thanks for your help...much more comfortable doing this

I am thinking gedtting pen and paper, writing down what I need to keep some sense of organization

[gloomy spruce]

Or... you could use a spreadsheet 🙂

[fervent cargo]

how would i setup a spreadsheet for that

you dont have to explain....

I dont want to make more work for ya....but I wouldnt know how a spreadsheet would help me keep things organized. I just get overwhelmed. I am sorry man

[solar sable]

make your own discord server, for you and your division notes or general game notes, organize them in different channels and boom! your own notepad is right there

[fervent cargo]

I appreciate your help. I guess Illl just blind and collect gear and not use this info just because its too much and I aM NOT tech savy

I wouldnt even know how to do that. I am not trying to make you do anything for me. Just creates a lot of excitement but also anxiety because I dont know where to begin

[solar sable]

@fervent cargo whatchu need? 👀

lets keep build related stuff here lol
I apologize if I dont answer fast, Im doing some leggo runs, dont worry u dont bother me at all

[fervent cargo]

its all good

I was just gonna ask someone else for help

because you helped enough and I dont want to start asking dumb questions

and bothering you . I just dont know where to begin.

[solar sable]

c'mon, im already here 😆

[fervent cargo]

so I am gonna do Tipping Scales

So I am gonna target loot Tipping Scales Gearset and also keep in mind those other pieces recommended to go with it

I can only have one Orange right

so I can have 4 pieces of the gearset and anything in Orange writing is an exotic?> and only one right

so 4 items of TS, one exotic and one named??

[solar sable]

so for TS you need yeah 4pc and whatever chest you want, The Sacrifice, Ceska Oblit/Glass, Equalizer and Overdogs

as long as you reach 60%, not less, because TS already gives lots of CHD

dump almost all of ur rolls to CHC

[fervent cargo]

the spreadsheet gives me more options than those

but should i try to get two of those you listed?

well maybe its about the same....spreadsheet might show one or two extra pieces

[solar sable]

well yeah but we want to maximize dmg as much as we can hitting the CHC cap

[fervent cargo]

ahh ok let me do countdown......would that be a good way to start?

heroic....target loot TS....matchmake....

is there a way to save the entire spreadsheet to my PC??

[solar sable]

challenging, TS first, then (unless you already have overdogs) overdogs and last chestpiece

[fervent cargo]

and keep it so it cant be edited (so i dont change something just in case)??

[solar sable]

oh dont worry you cannot edit them without access

[fervent cargo]

can you save the entire spreadsheet to your computer

I was gonna try and do that....but I guess if I did you couldnt update it

[solar sable]

lemme check but i dont think so

[fervent cargo]

Thanks for your help

If I dont message tonite, I''ll try and message in next few days

if thats okay with you. Thanks for your help and patience

[solar sable]

oh yeah you can File > Download > As PDF

[solar sable]

no worries, just @ me if you still want me to help, i love helping others. If not then ask and you shall recieve

[fervent cargo]

Just started countdown and couldn’t find my team

Had to leave. What did I do wrong

[solar sable]

did you select matchmake?

[copper yarrow]

For an OD build which would be better, tinkerer with pressure point + sadist or overdogs with carnage

[subtle bluff]

there about the same.

[solar sable]

tinkerer, killer and sadist for solo play or pressure point and sadist, whatever you like most

I prefer killer tho

[fervent cargo]

If I heal people in countdown, is there anything else I need to do. Like is chat necessary

Is it like a raid where I will actually have to do something specific??

[solar sable]

not really, if you wanna heal, heal those who are full red or mostly DPS

[fervent cargo]

That was fun as hell

[fervent cargo]

Have a few more questions

So with gear sets, can I alter any of those stats at all

Or just gold items?

[solar sable]

yup, you need to have them extracted in your library to pass them to other gear

[fervent cargo]

What does that mean

So I can change one attribute

[solar sable]

yeah, remember how recalibration works?

[fervent cargo]

So if it has critical damage and skill damage

I can change one correct ?

[solar sable]

only one yeah

[fervent cargo]

Abd the item I TAKE FROM gets sacrificed

Gets destroyed?

[solar sable]

ye

[fervent cargo]

Is the tinkering station of any significant values??

Is that for gear and weapons?,

Can I alter stuff through there even after recalibrating? After I recalibrate an item onto a piece I still want, can I still alter it in any way

[solar sable]

it is recommended to extract max rolls but if you desperately need that attribute the go for it

[solar sable]

only the slot you have already recalibrated

[fervent cargo]

If I recalibrate a gear piece and change something on it, can I take anything from that gear piece and say put it on another piece

Say I see another better piece

And I want that max roll on an entirely new piece

[solar sable]

you extract from the better piece and then put it on the piece you want it in

[fervent cargo]

But I can take a max roll and float it around to multiple pieces correct

[solar sable]

yup, once extracted it has infinite uses

[fervent cargo]

But then as it leaves a piece, that piece it leaves gets nuked

[solar sable]

correct

[fervent cargo]

4 piece TS….so that means for my exotic I want Tinkerers Mask, Coyote Mask, Bloody Knuckles or Overdogs

So I def want one of those exotics?

[solar sable]

overdogs preferably

[fervent cargo]

I am guessing that is only found in one area

Exotics can’t be target searched right

[solar sable]

anywhere Gloves TL

[fervent cargo]

TL?

[solar sable]

for exotics you select Targeted Loot for type, so say Overdogs are gloves you go for Gloves TL and so on

[fervent cargo]

Ahh ok

I see now….didnt exotics usually had to go to one area or do one mission or one thing to get

[solar sable]

they usually get added to the general loot pool unless they're raid exclusives

[fervent cargo]

Or he from one faction? So with this, just target gloves…Any suggested event or mission or faction to focus on?

[hazy steeple]

That was changed years ago, for the most part yeah.

[fervent cargo]

Any suggestion on what activity to don

[hazy steeple]

e.g. BTSU Gloves can be obtained from anywhere, not just Black Tusk places.

[fervent cargo]

For those gloves specifically?

[solar sable]

countdown or retaliations, hyena retals for blueprint tho

[fervent cargo]

Looking for Overdogs @hazy steeple

[hazy steeple]

Anywhere.

but yep, Hyena Retals for the blueprint is a bit of a shortcut.

[fervent cargo]

I see why people do countdown….tons of loon

[solar sable]

no exotic is locked behind factions, just type, well... Chatterbox is kinda a tricky one

[fervent cargo]

So for Retailiations…how do I exactly start that

Like what do I do exactly to trigger that exactly? It said it’s based on like a meter

Hard to understand exactly the way they did on website

[solar sable]

basically you get agitation from activities from a faction, once that meter hits 100% you can start a Retaliation from your Map > Retaliation
It is per faction. You have to capture all control points in the selected area

[fervent cargo]

Piss off a faction essentially

[solar sable]

some activities give more agitation than others btw

[fervent cargo]

Will I do that in one region in the map or will I go all over the entire map

To trigger it??

[solar sable]

IIRC it's a random area (like Federal Triangle) I may be wrong

[hazy steeple]

Irritate a faction anywhere, the game chooses where they Retaliate.

[fervent cargo]

Is it down in D.C., Brooklyn and Warlords?

[hazy steeple]

It's not just DC only.

[solar sable]

oh no sorry it is anywhere lol

[fervent cargo]

DC so basically just try to trigger fights when any one faction

It can be open world, control points, anything

[hazy steeple]

Or even missions.

[solar sable]

anything, literally

[fervent cargo]

So say I do true sons, I want to stay in tha area. Like if I want to do Warlords, everything will be done there

The initiating and the retaliation

[hazy steeple]

Head over to #ask-td2-community > 📌 and there's a picture there that tells you the % for each thing to agitate a faction.

[fervent cargo]

Can I ask a couple more questions here

[solar sable]

if you agitate a d.c faction it'll be in d.c, bla bla bla

[fervent cargo]

Thank you guys so much for your help

I really appreciate it . You saved me about 10 headaches and 4 hrs of using Google and Reddit

[solar sable]

go on 👀

[fervent cargo]

First off want to say thank you to everyone especially @cerulean smelt @solar sable @hazy steeple

I really am grateful and appreciate it. I struggle with really bad anxiety/depression and have bipolar and just Thank you

So I’ll go to Warlords and just do whatever, try to keep what I do on one faction…I’m guessing some thing/notification will pop up on screen like it does when you complete a mission

Stating a triggered a retaliation??

[solar sable]

yup, "(insert faction is Retaliating)"

[fervent cargo]

And say none of the control points are friendly, will it be clear which ones I need to do to accomplish the goal?

Guessing it will be more the red…(they all are already red)……

[solar sable]

when you open ur map they show up as non-captured

[fervent cargo]

Neutral

[solar sable]

enemy controlled sorry

[fervent cargo]

Ahh I see…and guessing there is a “hidden” timer to trigger that…meaning I have to piss enough off within a given time frame to trigger the retaliation??