td2-build-advice

[onyx sage]

he's saying you should understand how stats work and seeing which ones work better than others, that way you would know nerfing which stat makes more sense

like for example i run full red because i nerf myself in not being able to take more damage, and dying in 2 shots, and seeing if i can still do most of the content in this game (the answer is yes)

but this is a very subjective thing, what's not subjective though is understanding how stats work

in this case, if you paid attention, "shield health" is the same word used in the skill description for the shield skill, and if you look at tier 6 it's a very large number, the 50% from forge adds to that large number, which means forge's contribution is just extremely small. meanwhile skill health/skill efficiency is a separate multiplier and so is a lot more beneficial to the shield health overall

sure you can blame the game for not making this clear, but that's why this channel exists

[reef nova]

@onyx sage
No, I get that, I just don't know what that has to do with me not wanting to use Memento. 🤷‍♂️

[onyx sage]

you asked

Are there any other named items that work with shields other than the Forge?

and their answer was memento, the discussion that followed from that is just them explaining why memento is far better

[reef nova]

...and I said I believe them?
Some people seem to be assuming I'm not because I claimed they're wrong, but that's, like... not true?

[subtle bluff]

You’re good. I am just stating something sorry if it sounded offensive.

[reef nova]

I just didn't want to use Memento. 😭

[onyx sage]

okay i'm just catching up, i think you understand the discussion so far

like i get what chow's trying to say but it's hard to put into words

[reef nova]

@onyx sage
So is the 50% from Forge only pulling from the minimum base health and not the overall total?

[onyx sage]

so if you take bulwark shield at tier 6, you already have 400% shield health, forge would make this 450%

which just makes it a 10% increase, not 50% like it claims

[reef nova]

Ah, I didn't know the % got so high at that level.
Not normally a shield guy.

[onyx sage]

it works better the lower tier you are, but forge already comes with a skill tier so you're going to be at least at tier 1 if you keep that core

[reef nova]

Is Deflector a 1:1 output before % increases?

[onyx sage]

what do you mean

it doesn't take the enemy's damage and copy it btw if that's what you're asking

[reef nova]

So then what determines the output?

[onyx sage]

deflector shield has a base damage, that's then increased by skill damage

[reef nova]

Is that damage listed anywhere?
Not finding it on the stats screen.

And tiers only state the % increase.

Oh wait, found it.

Says it "varies on weapon type".

[onyx sage]

on the deflector it says "average damage"

this varies based on weapon type yeah

[reef nova]

Does it still ricochet friendly fire?

[onyx sage]

it does

[hexed steppe]

new pfp, who dis?

[reef nova]

Rad.

[onyx sage]

I'm just an average player, just more average now

[plain girder]

Does hunters fury debuff apply 2 allies?

[plain girder]

#4 dosent state if applies to teammates but i think they see the symbol of debuff

[subtle bluff]

🧐

[tribal otter]

That's not what the question is about

[subtle bluff]

It answer the end question anyways.

[tribal otter]

No, it doesn't

[subtle bluff]

Oh? What's the question.

[tribal otter]

Read

[subtle bluff]

I did I answered it.

[tribal otter]

No

Does the debuff applies to allies as well?

[plain girder]

I alredy know what the brandset does im just curious if i could use it as a support brandset like true patriot or ongoinf

[subtle bluff]

Enemies within 15 meters receive a debuff, amplifying your weapon damage against them by 20%.

[tribal otter]

Allies

[subtle bluff]

amplifying your weapon damage

[tribal otter]

Does allies take advantage of the debuff too?

[subtle bluff]

.....

[tribal otter]

Whatever

[lament reef]

your

[subtle bluff]

I know I have English issues. But it says and does what it says.

If it reads like this... then..

[subtle bluff]

It's a gearset not a brandset btw.

To your question

[cerulean smelt]

where in that description do you see the damage gets applied to teammates?

[onyx sage]

reading is really hard

but the answer is no it only applies to whoever uses the set

[cerulean smelt]

one thing i love about this dev team is if they make something that affects your teammates they state it in their description

[small igloo]

Public school fails a lot of people lol

[lament reef]

a lot of games in this style have extremely unclear descriptions and sometimes even false ones

it’s not unreasonable

[tribal otter]

Nowhere

[subtle bluff]

True.. but this was pretty simple.

[lost wren]

wf

oh hi dtrain

[subtle bluff]

He's not wrong there some things that very uncleared.

[lament reef]

oh
lmao

[subtle bluff]

Or has not been updated those are very few.

[cerulean smelt]

maybe only updates they do is nerfing and very rarely buffing things

[small igloo]

The community is definitely the QA department

[cerulean smelt]

until the majority cries about something they changed but community don't like it then it either gets reverted or we adapt 😹

[small igloo]

Truth

[cerulean smelt]

i forget what the last thing they did where the community cried about and they reverted the changes on, i just remember it was a pretty recent thing before project resolve

only thing that comes to mind was the determined talent?

[small igloo]

Determined was a good one. I can still hear the echoes of the meltdowns on YouTube.

[cerulean smelt]

was that it or was there another one?

[small igloo]

I’m pretty sure there was at least one if not two after that, but I haven’t had enough coffee yet to remember.

I’m sure there’s a video of a guy in yellow babbling for 15 minutes about it.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i don't give that guy any views. used to, but after his meltdown about not getting invited i was like yeah, world does not revolve around your yellow rainjacket. he's probably ranting why he hasn't been given a chance for the collaboration yet too

probably even got some conspiracy theory video with a few streamers are against him

[small igloo]

Significant other dreading every conversation about it 😣😣

[subtle bluff]

some stuff you can video on that platform will hurtyou..

[small igloo]

Crazy part is that’s usually the stuff that gets the most views.🤦‍♂️

[subtle bluff]

Content Creators

[solar sable]

using AI to answer a game question is just... not it

[lament reef]

don’t ask chatgpt man what are we doing here

[small igloo]

😂😂

[subtle bluff]

Read what the talent does from the game itself not from a generated answer that only can know whatever anyone else says...

The point why I reposted what the talent says is because it is what it says.
If it did otherwise I or others would have noted as such.

[subtle bluff]

It says it right here too

[solar sable]

nah, just imagine getting an answer from a guy (chow in this case) that has spent a lot of time understanding/making guides for a game and still not believe just to use AI as your source of information.
-insert Henry Cavill "you use Wikipedia as your source of information? tsktsktsktsk"-

[subtle bluff]

Oh the first one doesn't state the full talent

[plain girder]

It says no but then it says yes by saying enemies take more damaged if debuffed zo not rlly sure

[solar sable]

what.

[subtle bluff]

This what the talents says.

Keep it simple.

[onyx sage]

it's complicated. it debuffs so the enemies take more damage but only from the HF wearer. it's complicated but it's intentional

[solar sable]

is life complicated?

[sturdy folio]

is this a good build for pve? end game?

[bold leaf]

With a couple of changes yes

[solar sable]

it's that or Strikers mask and Overdogs

[sturdy folio]

yeah my question was mostly if i should exchange the turmoil for the chest...... but i guess i do 🤔

[solar sable]

It's hard to maintain or even hit 200 stacks from Striker Chest in open world to squeeze all its dmg

In missions and with Turmoil maybe.
@astral kraken had once said that Turmoil + Strikers chest made it easier to build all 200 stacks on legendary but outside of what I previously said (& raids) it's just not worth it

[sturdy folio]

hmhmhm i see, thank you very much

ill work on that asap

[solar sable]

lmao

[subtle bluff]

Multasking

[solar sable]

I gotchu Chow hehe

[bold leaf]

Swap that talent out on the Lexington too if you can. You might not have much in your Library though?

[solar sable]

Yeah, it's going to be pretty empty most probably, search and use Killer or Measured as you desire

[sturdy folio]

yeah i was going to as about the lexington, if it was doable

instead of the police M4

[bold leaf]

Yeah use the Lexington, if you like it, and try killer, measured, something like that on it

[sturdy folio]

oki, i had a killer laying around

[kind epoch]

is merciless really the worst performing exotic? i had fun taking over a CP3 with it 😂 iron sights for cqb to midrange, scoped in for slightly further enemies

[cerulean smelt]

it's probably the pressing to fire, releasing to fire again that makes it rough to use honestly
i got a Nego + turmoil build i put it in, was great fun 😹

[kind epoch]

i can see that. i only like using it because it fires quicker than the m700

[subtle bluff]

It isn't. It's usable but hard to make good.

[late barn]

how does caretaker measure up to a lexington with killer

[meager fog]

Caretaker has low ROF, and is VERY innacurate outside 10m

Lexington has better ROF, and hits like a laser

THe ROF loss, coupled with poor handling mean you gain nothing from Perfect Killer

[late barn]

💔

i had high hopes for it

[meager fog]

Dark Winter is the far better Perfect Killer gun

[reef nova]

Are the only burst fire weapons the M16 and the 93R?

[cerulean smelt]

merciless

oh nm, it's not really burst, but it does shoot 1 when you press the button and then another when you let the button go, to me that is kind of like burst fire 😹

[bold leaf]

There was an MP5 with burst? Might have been in TD1?

[cerulean smelt]

i expect we'll get dual wielding 93R exotic in the future though 😹

[cerulean smelt]

no, i think there was a MP5 variant that burst 3 shots right in td2?

[bold leaf]

Yeah I'm not sure now

[reef nova]

I was not in 1, but I haven't seen one in 2.

[cerulean smelt]

MP5A2?

[reef nova]

@bold leaf
Oh hi, I just recognized you.
I commented on one of your videos about how companions were alright in my book, lol.
Apparently they were awful in the PTS, so sorry if I was comparing their new state to your video's conclusions from like a week earlier. I didn't know. 😭

[cerulean smelt]

<= not really a SMG guy even though it'd be my 2nd goto from AR in builds but i rarely use them unless i'm in a really sticky situation

[bold leaf]

Haha no worries! I appreciate the comments on it though 😊

[cerulean smelt]

the companions in PTS was way worse than what we've gotten. i feel they could still be improved upon but still not a fan of them

[bold leaf]

I didn't play the PTS but based the video on the release version of them. I think the last patch did some much needed improvements but yeah they could still be better

[reef nova]

Looking forward to the next death compilation guide. 👍

[onyx sage]

lia is a goated youtuber

[cerulean smelt]

i get my companion shooting into the air randomly here and there 😹 i'm like what are you shooting at?! see nothing in the air

[bold leaf]

Hmm you really have to be patient to get them to shoot actual things haha

[cerulean smelt]

my last thing i was using full cover peaking without being in cover. companion came over took cover in that spot pushing me to the left which i wasted several bullets into the wall 💢

[reef nova]

They let me play with a lot of builds I would never be able to normally, so they get an A+ in my book. 🤷‍♂️
Though, I've definitely noticed them taking their time on the occasional revive. I'd be more upset, but I'm also not paying these guys a livable wage, so it's whatever. They can lean when there's no customers.

[bold leaf]

Most of the time they come over to revive and then get distracted, walk away

Wait no I mean I never need reviving 👀

[cerulean smelt]

teh only time i think they did a terrible job was season 5-8 when they re-ran season 1-4 and said nothing until the beginning of 8 i think? when they started season 9 content

[reef nova]

I mean, that's just typical free roam behavior. Can't fault them for that.

[bold leaf]

Tbf I get distracted easily too

[cerulean smelt]

i'm like a cat when you pull out the laser pointer "MUST DESTROY RED DOT!"

[reef nova]

I get on TD2 to do one thing and then maybe get around to finishing it like 2-3 hours later with a different build. 🤷‍♂️

[cerulean smelt]

nods i got like 2-3 "meta builds" then a few others i just throw together to try but enjoy

[reef nova]

I'll remember that when I see you walking away from my revive. 🙏

[cerulean smelt]

wish we could do typed macros in the game 😢 i'd run over to lia to revive then hit that macro "OHHH SHINEY!" and stop reviving 😹

[bold leaf]

Hey it's better than being melee'd whilst also being revived at least. That happens all too much

[reef nova]

Why is our Division agent's melee so weak in comparison?
Do they not know how to punch? Are they stupid?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i do get a lot of those when i'm trying to revive and a hyena keeps walking up then bashes me before i revive, then i go down 😹

[bold leaf]

Have you ever tried punching someone who's wearing a bunch of armour plates? Good luck with that

[reef nova]

I'm getting rocked in my full tactical armor by a green crackhead in a t-shirt. 😭
Is it the drugs? I can do drugs too. I have the ability and the professionalism necessary for it.
Just give me 10,000% melee damage when Coyote's mask or Chatterbox is equipped and we're square.

[cerulean smelt]

please don't give devs ideas
i can see a modifier doing just that and the challenge is like 10k melee kills with said modifier for a passive modifier

[bold leaf]

Hyena spice must be pretty good

[reef nova]

That's how it starts.
First you think, "I could use some of that cocaine," next thing you know you're covered in green tubes fighting Batman on a roof.

Speaking of cocaine and Batman; I just got my first Strega. Is there a reason why I don't see this anywhere? The description on paper sounds great.

[cerulean smelt]

only thing that comes to mind is the random marking?

could be just a me thing though. i've tried it and wasn't impressed and stashed it. could they have fixed it since? perhaps

[onyx sage]

meanwhile i have so much fun making them melee the air

[reef nova]

For the M16 and 93R, do things that affect the "next shot" affect each individual burst? Or only the first of the 3 bullets?

[onyx sage]

it affects the 2nd round in the burst

[reef nova]

So the second bullet of each 3 burst?

Like +0/+X/+0?

How unusual. 🤔

[smoky latch]

Looking for a good decoy/overcharge build for legendaries. Wanna try something new but didn't get far yet

Not sure if Acosta's is better or BTSU for overcharge. I don't play skill builds often

[kind epoch]

im guessing it's out of my range?

[simple bobcat]

I need help with DPS, and High Armour

[simple bobcat]

Thanks

[kind epoch]

how rare is tdi custom to come by? i've tl'd pistols a few times and have never came across it

[smoky latch]

Try named item caches

It's another DZ item originally

[weak creek]

hey hey i looked in the Spreadsheet first but it was honestly very overwhelming with all the information <.< and im pretty new to the game i was wondering is there any sort of build i could get as a starter somewhat fresh lvl 40 for Shotgun main weapon and either sniper or something automatic as secondary weapon? 🤔 i dont know every sets yet so i thought it makes sense to ask here first

[solar sable]

For shotguns, Hunter's Fury
For snipers, Hotshot/Sniper Setups in the Spreadsheet
For auto weapons AKA ARs, Strikers

[weak creek]

Thank you <3

[kind epoch]

ah, no wonder

[strong cave]

Nah bro you don't need HF for shotguns. I've got a solid crit high end shotgun build with plenty of armor and high enough damage in crits most things die in 1-2 shots (ik the guide recommends HHF with reg and shotguns)

[solar sable]

👀

[strong cave]

It's a build I have yet to see anyone try. Shotgun talents are very strong when paired properly on the right shotguns

[solar sable]

gib

[strong cave]

@solar sable

Read downwards from there. Look at the numbers and armor bar. Results will be identical to firing range numbers bc shotguns are close range guns and all kills will be close range. I'm dead serious, you won't even need to reload. That's how decent this build is

[solar sable]

I actually love useful variety and not just some fkn ninjabike shit

I would like to try it

yk what I'll make the build rn

[subtle bluff]

There's that silly HB one I made.

That one shots most things in the chest

[strong cave]

It's not bad. I swear by it. Make sure those kneepads are CHC tho since they're fox's prayer

[onyx sage]

i like hunter's fury with 2p of the new brand with ninjabike

[bold leaf]

Oh no

[solar sable]

I have like 5 pairs of fox's 😂

[strong cave]

That sounds not bad tbh

Might make the MP7 fully viable again

[strong cave]

Getting the Grupo gloves might be a pain

Ammo dump you should be able to craft I think (holster)

If not a normal badger holster is fine

Liquid engineer is the backpack as well but if you wanted to use a 2nd badger tuff piece that's more than okay as well

[subtle bluff]

You ppl....

[solar sable]

now that's pain to the next level

[subtle bluff]

Just imaging avg player "What does he mean by people?!?!?! Doesn't he mean the avg player?"

[strong cave]

I mostly picked liquid engineer bc the extra bonus armor is nice. Allows me to take shots as I move from person to person 1 pumping them

A 2nd badger piece is fine tho since you'll get like 10% more armor for 2pc bonus

So you'll have about 1.8m armor on the build itself and still be hitting crits upwards of 1.4m

You could ditch Grupo gloves for contractors gloves and swap badger holster to Grupo blue with crits and then run badger backpack with bloodsucker

Plenty of variants you can toy around with

[meager fog]

insert RDJ Tropic Thunder gif here

[scenic whale]

What’s the meme potential of like, swapping some blues out for yellows/reds and be willing to be slightly less aggressive

[strong cave]

Reds only make it hit harder but you're way more killable. Yellows is just pointless

[scenic whale]

Oh I just like the extra tech levels since I like using tech on and off. But I suppose that does defeat the point of the build being more survival/tanky based

[lost wren]

💀

[simple bobcat]

@plain girder what’s funny

[plain girder]

The build just random pieces thrown in there

[simple bobcat]

When I got the game I just played it to have fun not for the stats at the time

[subtle bluff]

Did you check his SHD level?

[plain girder]

And thats fine i was just reacting 2 a picture

[subtle bluff]

Let's move on.

[hoary atlas]

i got this but should use Striker ?

[lost wren]

ouro is kind of mid now but striker or close range hunter's fury works for it

[hoary atlas]

For pve

[lost wren]

yes, for pve

[hoary atlas]

Ok

[hoary atlas]

4 Huntsr fury 1 ceska with obliterate ?

And one memento ?

[hexed steppe]

im i cooking or burning the kitchen down? breaking for mmr and rifle damage. im thinking fox's may fit better than the 3rd breaking piece

[subtle bluff]

brb I'll look

[hexed steppe]

for reference

[magic pilot]

It has its uses

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot - SWD 30% | HSD 30% | WH 30%
Break Pt - SWD 25% | HSD 30% | WH 15%

[magic pilot]

It's a great secondary since you don't need to stack any dmg. Also has bis smg reload

[subtle bluff]

I did this in the past.

[magic pilot]

Yea Fox over 3 pc

[subtle bluff]

It was alright..

[hexed steppe]

2x swd for breaking

[subtle bluff]

Yup. I use to do 2x Breaking, 2x Zoo, DCH, Chain + Vigil

[onyx sage]

it's burning. sticky should be on Q

[hexed steppe]

yeah, fox's added another 1mil to top end

nah double e is so ingrained in muscle memory i dont even need to think about it

[onyx sage]

instant use master race

[hexed steppe]

getting a weird interaction in the range with 1886. if i keep nailing the same target im topping out at 25mil. if i hit the next lane over target and cycle back and forth im seeing 34mil with a couple of the 25mil mixed in. both are red bar basic targets so i dont think its because of overdogs

nvm, it is overdogs interaction. swapped them to contractors and seeing steady top end damage on either target

[magic pilot]

Overdogs is really weird in the range

[subtle bluff]

Just waiting for the exo

Sheriff ....

Did I spell that correctly?!

[hexed steppe]

75mil is swapping back and forth with same 2 targets
25.8 steady is when i only focus 1 target. weird interaction consider they are the same level 1 targets and should be lowest tier. the fact that its fluctuating higher when its same level targets makes me think we are missing something with overdogs. then again like you said, it may just be "range is faulty"

[subtle bluff]

Everthing is off?

[hexed steppe]

clarify?

[subtle bluff]

Any events, and modifiers

[strong cave]

Modifiers

[hexed steppe]

no modifiers on. dont think it would matter tho, since im not changing the build , just weather i alternate targets or not

[subtle bluff]

Just making sure

[hexed steppe]

damage was shroud btw

[subtle bluff]

I've heard of this in the range issue in another discord

[strong cave]

Shroud is inconsistent due to a bug I'm pretty sure

[subtle bluff]

I've never gone to check it too and then in actually

[hexed steppe]

same happens with 1886

[strong cave]

Unsure myself. I personally run a full high end for the 1886

No weird 2 PC or 3 PC gearsets

[hexed steppe]

1886, alternating and single targets

[strong cave]

Mine is:

Punch drunk
Chainkiller
Habsburg holster (yes it's unicorn rolled)
Gift backpack
Contractors
Fox's

Taking 2 piece walker VS Habsburg seems to give diminishing returns on armored targets

[strong cave]

Additionally yes you can use ODogs on the build I mentioned above

[hexed steppe]

no ish sherlock

[strong cave]

Does kinetic momentum boost repair skills? I'm reading into the repair skills part of the talent but it's worded a bit weird imo

[hexed steppe]

up to 60% repair skills

[strong cave]

Damn, 60?

[hexed steppe]

2% repair for stack, 15 stacks per skill

[strong cave]

Yeah isn't 15×2 = 30 tho?

[hexed steppe]

but, being a healer means you are using skills a lot so it isnt really a good talent for that

[subtle bluff]

I use to use it on a HW build

[hexed steppe]

2 skills

[strong cave]

OH 2 skills

Also, yeah, empath for gf refuses to drop rn. It's what we call a "placeholder" for the time being

Otherwise we wouldn't even bother with it on a healer build. I want empath for the 15% TWD boost

(it's measured, not FI. She has FI already)

[subtle bluff]

Refactor Empath!

[strong cave]

Perfect kinetic momentum when

[hexed steppe]

should talk her into running refactor with empathic resolve

[subtle bluff]

Or are we doing leggo duo?

[strong cave]

Will have to figure out a build for that. Idk how she will do with skills

[strong cave]

Still not quite ready for that it seems

[subtle bluff]

It helps to teach skill placement.

[hexed steppe]

pretty hard to mess up turret drone refactor

[strong cave]

I'm still teaching how to recalibrate build pieces 💀

She just learned how to on her own

Trust me when I say, it's like teaching a baby how to talk and walk

But instead you're trying to teach it quantum physics as soon as it turned 4

To us division is easy since we know majority of everything. To someone like her, it's so complicated it's not even funny 😭

[onyx sage]

i have to be taught how to not die in this game by experts

[strong cave]

I gotchu broski just hmu when you need that decoy aegis build sometime when you wanna stop getting shot

They'll shoot bubble buddy instead

[hexed steppe]

time to go tick off another CD lobby with the sniper setup. probably get kicked

[strong cave]

Good luck. All mine have been clueless low levels or straight casuals with awful builds. Even hosting didn't fix those issues because the group would always just split

I can't even HH in them anymore due to the fact everyone and their mom shoots the same targets too

[hexed steppe]

was able to 1 shot hunters on the first run, so as long as i dont mess up my chain ill be good

[strong cave]

People are definitely gonna think you're cheating lmao

[subtle bluff]

I was called me that when I would achilles

[hexed steppe]

eh, water off a ducks back

they stuck with me

[strong cave]

In layman's terms, you're basically saying "idgaf"

[hexed steppe]

yeah 😂

[subtle bluff]

I HATE ENGISHING

[strong cave]

There's people who think running 20% faster is cheating

Everyone forgets build inspect is a thing and to read people's talents 💀

[hexed steppe]

i dont think there is a lot of builds checks anymore

[strong cave]

Considering what goes around on YT, 100%

[subtle bluff]

The worse when is when I go solo a obj and all them are like WTF

[strong cave]

Challenging can easily be done fully solo. Heroic on the other hand-

Yeesh. Can be done. But it's very hard

[subtle bluff]

Yup.. It's fun to do. 😄

[hoary atlas]

FINALLY!

[worn elbow]

Congrats

[hoary atlas]

I got 3 Ouroboros

[worn elbow]

Lol I gotten 4 I think

[hoary atlas]

Fr ?

[worn elbow]

Ye and 2 ebs with 3 caretakers

[hoary atlas]

Two bittersweet lol

[worn elbow]

Same lmao

[hoary atlas]

I got regulus

[worn elbow]

Got that this early morning

[hoary atlas]

One need is ravenous

[subtle bluff]

It's not part of these caches.

[worn elbow]

Me too that’s my last raid exotic

[hoary atlas]

Ok

Huntsman are good pvp and pve ?

[hexed steppe]

actually, shroud is hitting higher than normal damage while alternating targets without overdogs. looks like both shroud and overdogs has weird interaction. odogs/shroud still a higher damage combo obv , just weird tho

shroud while not alternating targets, no odogs

[magic pilot]

shroud and overdogs are both HH inclusive amps thats why

and they both dont work properly in the range

[subtle bluff]

Idk how both talents interact in range

in CD both would proc on hunters so that tracks

[magic pilot]

someone else reported the same thing in Ikia discord awhile back

For now, we’re aware that the Shroud is not interacting properly with the Headhunter talent. Our team is currently looking into fixing the issue and we will keep the community informed about it.

[subtle bluff]

wurd

[magic pilot]

"I tested the Shroud on the shooting range and noticed something strange with Headhunter.
If I hit a headshot with full Headhunter stacks, then miss a shot, and hit another headshot, I get the high damage consistently.

But if I don’t miss a shot in between, it feels like Headhunter doesn’t get calculated at all.
Has anyone else seen this behavior?"

[subtle bluff]

I remember reading that.

[magic pilot]

its not even just alternating targets, you just need to miss a shot between

[true oak]

guys why i can not upgrade it ? sry i am kinda new to this

[torpid valve]

Ur proficency

Maxed out at 10 then u can upgrade it

But, tbh u should fill ur library first

[subtle bluff]

You need to be come Proficency with it.

[torpid valve]

Yeah

[true oak]

okay got it thank you

[true oak]

working on that

[subtle bluff]

in #ask-td2-community Pinned Messages there some good stuff

[torpid valve]

U should watch division iceberg to understand how this game operates

[true oak]

btw is this good build ? playing solo btw

[solar sable]

holy shit that's actually solid

[torpid valve]

Solid good

[hexed steppe]

i mean, youll never really have a case where you are one shotting the same npc multiple times , but its just weird is all. im not really looking at the talent being inclusive in hh calc since im using the same build, just changing from single target to multiple targets i shoot. you can replicate it anytime. i dont think the npc tiers matter in the interaction since everything is already lowest tier. odogs with any weapon jumps when alternating, shroud damage also jumps even tho its supposed to amp on the tier 1 npcs... still has the interaction with the lowest tier targets. image has shroud boosting damage

shroud with and without odogs, named and red bar target alternating

[torpid valve]

@true oak

[true oak]

better then striker ?

[torpid valve]

Nah good if u solo

[solar sable]

nothing is better than strikers /jk

[true oak]

dang

[magic pilot]

drop fox for grupo

[true oak]

okay will try to build it

[torpid valve]

The downfall of ovedogs is if u encounters rogue or heavy blacktusk or anything

[hexed steppe]

nego wants a word with you out back

[magic pilot]

chc too low for strega

[torpid valve]

U should find somewhere to take cover

[torpid valve]

I got 59%

[magic pilot]

yea chd sacrifice

[solar sable]

I left my uhm clavicle at home

[magic pilot]

basically you only use items with a fixed non crit attribute when you can hit near 5-60% chc (with or without coyotes). this is with all chd mods and no extra pieces rolled chc

[magic pilot]

with salvo+ fox you are losing 12% chc

[torpid valve]

Idk man, cant really hit 60%

59 or 53 is max

Still running well until i encounter rogues

[magic pilot]

5% from strega, 8% from ceska, 4x 6% rolls and 10% from watch = 47%

[magic pilot]

thats why i said 50-60, thats the ideal chc spots

you have an extra chc roll to hit 53 somewhere

[torpid valve]

So, keep the chc between 50-60 is best ideal ?

[magic pilot]

50% with coyotes
60% without

[torpid valve]

Alr thanks u for ur advice man

[magic pilot]

grupo will be slightly more dps overall

[torpid valve]

But which one should i replace with grupo ?

[magic pilot]

i run mine like this since i use glass

[magic pilot]

fox

[hoary atlas]

PVP bad idea

[torpid valve]

Nah i cant run glass cannon, cuz i will be dead under 10 second🥲

[magic pilot]

yea im not recommending for you, just the fox- grupo change

[torpid valve]

Alr i will change it , ty

[hexed steppe]

2 seconds*

[torpid valve]

Yeah, tried 1 time and i really pissed off

Now i understad why they called that vest the sacrifice

[magic pilot]

Takes a long time to get used to

[hexed steppe]

can technically do fox's if you dont care about mag size buff

its nice qol tho

[solar sable]

my main build has pgc too, I also never got used to it back when I was on xbox but now i love it as it forces a new playstyle and actually hitting heads

[astral kraken]

pgc gang

[strong cave]

Honestly just swap to Belstone Unbreakable chest and run sys Corr bag and swap EB to bighorn and you're set. Just make sure everything is HSD tho

[keen raptor]

Guys, i was looking for some builds and found a refactor build (skill) and a Iron Lung + Protocol build.

Both builds seems Very Very Fun buuuuut The videos was showing only some open World content.

How viable are those builds for real endgame content like some legendary missions and stuff like that?

[astral kraken]

For legendary missions it's best to default to a red striker build until you learn the content. Once you learn the content then it's viable to branch out into other builds if you have some specific way you want to beat the encounter.

Most matchmake groups are heavily DPS starved because people try to fix their skill issues with builds like tank, turret/drone, healer, or random wacky stuff like oxidizier. So if you want to be the most help just bring DPS.

Refactor can work but it's mid-tier at best. Even the best refactor players can't make up for the DPS loss (and enemy HP gain through group scaling) that they're causing by running it.

That said if you have 2-3 good DPS players carrying the mission then you can make their lives easier with refactor.

[keen raptor]

Oh ok! Got It !! Tyvm!

I guess The default red Striker it is then

[lost wren]

yeah red striker is kind of just the king

[astral kraken]

Striker is always good but there are other options. You can run OD if your team has at least 1 other DPS. You can run Negotiator's Dilemma (with bluescreen or an AR) which has more damage potential than Striker does.

Tipping Scales, Concentrated Company with Pestilence, High End Pestilence. Lots of options.

You can also do Headhunter in places like Roosevelt and Capitol. You can do headhunter in other places but you need to know the encounters a bit. With Roosevelt and Capitol headhunter is really straightforward.

[worn imp]

Best pure DPS setup for Krampus bounty farming?

What setup is this?

[astral kraken]

either works

[worn imp]

equalizer? why not ceska

[astral kraken]

equalizer beats ceska obliterate b/c of the talent

[worn imp]

does crit damage give diminishing values at higher numbers? also if you get lucky with crits for 2/3 of an entire mag, isnt ceska better then?

[onyx sage]

any stat gives diminishing returns at higher numbers

[worn imp]

any rule of thumb?

[onyx sage]

do you want math?

[worn imp]

a bit yeah

[onyx sage]

so imagine you have 0% of a stat and you get 10% of it every "action", it's going to be a 10% increase

[worn imp]

yeah i think i see where ur going, i see....

[onyx sage]

then imagine you have like 50% of that stat already, the next action would give 60%, which wouldn't be 10% anymore because you already have that 50% before

[worn imp]

yaas

[onyx sage]

it's because every action gives the same linear amount basically

[worn imp]

question: is fire rate from UA treated as a seperate amp from the fire rate pool of strikers?

[onyx sage]

in order for the increase to be constant each time, the action would have to give more each time to compensate

[onyx sage]

no, it adds to the fire rate boost you already have, and striker already gives 15%

any fire rate boost goes into 1 multiplier

[astral kraken]

there's no rule of thumb though because it's all about comparing builds

[worn imp]

sick spreadsheet thanks

[onyx sage]

yeah imagine UA didn't come out. then ceska would just be best because there's no better alternative

[astral kraken]

like even with diminishing returns if you get +800% crit damage it'll still be a lot

(just as an example)

[onyx sage]

like with perfect focus, sure it adds to twd and isn't an amp... but it's 60%

[astral kraken]

that's why that build has overdogs and equalizer. and the other one uses striker chest. you try to give yourself as many amps as possible and then backfire just gives a ton of chd.

[worn imp]

how tf do i know what is and isnt an amp? is the game consistent in its terminology or not?

[onyx sage]

you just ask in here, and no the best way is just testing

[astral kraken]

bookmark this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zsb60ue6yKbcJctD8FQEAOAUxcyg5Cot1fuPQQD3xj4/edit?usp=sharing

[onyx sage]

fortunately, most people here would have an answer for you

[worn imp]

the best way is a list. which i have now been sent 🙂

[onyx sage]

how do you come up with said list

[astral kraken]

that's not really a list. it's more about the damage formula.

once you know the damage formula that's like 90% of what you need

[onyx sage]

that's homework for anyone who seriously wants to understand builds in this game tbh

[worn imp]

wait what.... how can mfks be going around doing that much math and not making a list of which talents are and arent amps. Seems like a rather important omission imo

[astral kraken]

all that's left is just knowledge you pick up over time. for example the striker talent says it gives TWD but the text is wrong. striker is a separate amp. there's no way to know that without testing or someone telling you.

[worn imp]

"the text is wrong" 😡

ubisoft need to proofwrite this stuff man

[astral kraken]

it's not just ubi bro. these games are complex. path of exile has the same issues.

[onyx sage]

i think there was a list but it's out of date at this point. this is just community effort and it's just done for free so no one's really responsible for it

[worn imp]

okay well how about this: are most damage based talents amps or not? just so i know whether or not to expect it

[onyx sage]

most are not

[worn imp]

i know but with the amount of time community effort has spent to making builds you would think we would have a list of amps and non amps by now... but i understand

they have to have clear terminology like PoE

[astral kraken]

the problem is the lists need to be maintained. you could make one and keep it up to date but you probably won't. for the same reasons no one else will 😉

[onyx sage]

what chow has done, what anyone here has done to update the spreadsheet and guides, what ikia has done for example are all done for free out of their own volition. tbh they do it if the community has a need for it

[worn imp]

to differentiate multipliers from addative increases

[worn imp]

Ikia is goat

[onyx sage]

there's also the problem with people not knowing if they need which resource or not. most casual players will not care less about strikers giving "total weapon damage"

[cerulean smelt]

Those players are happy to see big numbers

[onyx sage]

but yeah i agree with you this stuff needs to be started sooner or later

[worn imp]

maybe this game would attract more ARPG-enthusiasts if they got their terminology together

[onyx sage]

they have a skeleton crew man. what they've done till today is already impressive with such a small team. they are not paid enough

[worn imp]

ubisoft i mean

[worn imp]

agreed. But aren't they getting a bigger crew now with Survivors?

[onyx sage]

div2 and survivors most likely have separate teams working on each

[cerulean smelt]

Well, those people will probably only work on survivors

[hazy steeple]

They're being led by separate teams, yes.

[cerulean smelt]

I haven't checked in awhile, they pull thier pvp job yet?

[onyx sage]

the listings disappeared so... maybe yes

[hazy steeple]

It's best to go by actual information posts that MSV make, and less speculation over a job listing being available or not.

[onyx sage]

ye

[cerulean smelt]

Excited to see what they do for the pvpers, they need some serious love

[worn imp]

wait what u mean by "pull"?

[cerulean smelt]

Like take it down because they hired people for it

[worn imp]

ah

[onyx sage]

they were pulled, but not for known reasons

[hazy steeple]

Using "pull" here feels odd, the usual term is "removed".
I feel that pull has negative connotations to it.

[worn imp]

kinda why i was confused lol

[cerulean smelt]

Maybe Japan will get to see the pvp director or whatever that job was 😹

[strong cave]

I personally wouldn't say it's negative. I'd say it's a good thing when a job listing gets pulled/removed. It's an indicator somebody filled the position, which the PVP playerbase genuinely needs

[strong cave]

Many many many many years of playing the same 3 game modes on the same 3-4 maps running near the same 3 identical builds with no changes. Us pvp players are so starved we basically look as skeletal as the size of the developer team is with division 2 at its whole. I probably speak for a good majority of the pvp community that we would love to have new content and finally some balancing changes

Let the devs cook. They've been doing phenomenal 💯

[cerulean smelt]

I agree

I can't wait for the fps day video of this game mode in japan

[hazy steeple]

What are you on about?

[cerulean smelt]

Japan in January is having a convention called fps day .. Yannick Darla and one other will be there and those who attend gets to play a game mode

[hazy steeple]

Sure.
okay, back to the build advice now.

[cerulean smelt]

I think I'm making fifty jealous. Been getting good pvp drops

Though I really should've gotten a dz build or so together already plus conflict

[foggy imp]

If I’m not good at killing lower enemies with overdogs would I just be better off using 2 piece unit for the 20% assault

[hexed steppe]

no, you just get better at focusing the correct npc tier

[meager fog]

Overdogs will still provide a DPS boost even if you don't actively target the enemies.

Just by accidentally shooting the right enemy you'll get a boost. And you always get a boost of the last target alive

[hexed steppe]

30%amp is way stronger than swd

its roughly the same as trading perfect glass for a red core

[meager fog]

Without the exact maths in front of me, you have a much higher chance of shooting the right target than the wrong one. Since most areas will spawn multiple tier 3 and 2 enemies and very few tier 1s.

The most basic rule is to make sure you kill skill proxies first. Because they are always the lowest.

Turrets, drones etc always die first when using Overdogs for most effectiveness

[foggy imp]

Okay thank you. Maybe it’s just the crazy rate of fire that’s making it seem like I’m killing enemies at the same pace

[subtle bluff]

Better idea don't make it prioty to target overdogs vs what you need to kill. It makes itself up for everything when you just happening to shoot that target.

[glad heart]

It does, but Equalizer ain't worth squat when rewarded from the season rewards: Headshot Damage and Haz Pro, when it needs the crit rolls. Typical reward drop... garbage

[cerulean smelt]

Want mine? Think it was skills haste and repair 😂

[glad heart]

I'll take that chest for 1000 credits.. haha

[worn imp]

Whats the lengmo unicorn build?

[solar sable]

this abomination

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1CTOyT3YxNfsK0mGL5BlABAF1JNSK7bx1BjQB74Uz38U/edit

[worn imp]

uhh what

[smoky latch]

Oh beat me to it

[worn imp]

is pesty the only good setup?

[cerulean smelt]

It's the backbone mostly i think?

[smoky latch]

Backbone ez to get, the chest is not

[solar sable]

lengmo on its entirety is blue core-d

[cerulean smelt]

I had a hell of a time with back bone honestly

[smoky latch]

True, RNG. I farmed for the bp, before I got it I had one with crits

[cerulean smelt]

Id get blue and yellow minors ans sometime chance or damage but some other odd minor

[solar sable]

the whole build was meta last season but with CoCo now in the game it's not meta anymore for Pesti Ticks

[cerulean smelt]

Other pieces was easier for me honestly

I don't understand the coco variant, but it's probably just a me thing

[worn imp]

Does this beat ongoing directive in DPS?

[dreamy valve]

Concentrated Company is easier to build for Pestilence and I think it does more damage at max stacks

[solar sable]

I have no clue

[cerulean smelt]

Probably, just in my head I'm like how do I get them stacks quickly as a soloer?

[smoky latch]

Tick damage is higher apparently

[hexed steppe]

coco way better for pesti

[smoky latch]

DPS IDK

[hexed steppe]

tons of wd and chd stacked

[dreamy valve]

The CHD bonus does increase overall shooting dps which can trigger pestilence plague rebuffs faster from killing targets

[cerulean smelt]

My only doubt? Was if the stacks would increase the tick damage, since striker doesn't so I was thinking it wouldn't work either

[hexed steppe]

use damage skills, kill target within that 7sec window to get the stacks. if they die outside the mark its no marks

[hexed steppe]

its weapon damage, it does increase the tick damage

i see on average 2 mil ticks

[cerulean smelt]

Well, one day I'll farm it up

[hexed steppe]

i thhought you already had a coco set

[cerulean smelt]

I do but not for pestilence

Gr9 with frenzy

[hexed steppe]

just craft it. money bags has the mats to optimize

[cerulean smelt]

Or was it stoner and I'm looking for a gr9

[hexed steppe]

or reroll the yellow cores red

[worn imp]

very good but oh so annoying to manage

[cerulean smelt]

I m going to dismantle my yellow coco

[worn imp]

unstoppable force an amp or neh?

[cerulean smelt]

Couldn't say but it does increase the pestilence tick damage

[worn imp]

😳 after 3 crafts

yoo we getting there slowly...

[cerulean smelt]

Yeah, yeah show off 😹

[worn imp]

RNJeezus loves me

[cerulean smelt]

Not going th sacrific3 route eh?

[kind epoch]

Yeah I went back to chat history again. @hexed steppe idk how many people I’ve pissed off using my HH build 😂 but when talent is active, we clear rooms quick… LOOL

[worn imp]

With all talents procced, which build can push out the most DPS with all talents active?

here is intimidate build's Crit stats

here is equalizer memento build's crit stats

[cerulean smelt]

I feel we need a @mathnerd tag for those who knows the math for this game to respond

[worn imp]

fr fr

[worn imp]

its called "@chow"

[cerulean smelt]

Chow or dorky for me really

[worn imp]

@meager fog Greetings

you are needed most desperately

[cerulean smelt]

If ikia was here a lot would be easier

[worn imp]

why isnt he

eh ill just test it i guess...

[cerulean smelt]

He's a content creator so he probably has to do that more than anything

[worn imp]

anyone know a mission where lots of enemies spawn fast so i can test memento?

[cerulean smelt]

Solo wise? Maybe Anderson manhunt

[worn imp]

great wheres that

[cerulean smelt]

Near countdown

There's a section you can goto and just not progress the mission. Just stay in the room and purposely fail the manhunt

[worn imp]

yeah the reactor room?

[cerulean smelt]

Yeah, yo go through a corridor, then you're in that one big area

[solar sable]

lab*

[kind epoch]

i thought Chow does math during his downtime for fun 😂😂😂

[worn imp]

Headshot Crit: With memento with every talent active besides killer (from SMG) and Hunters fury's apex predator's 5% dmg per kill, I get 961K on a headshot crit with memento with full stacks + pickup boost. With the other setup and the same parameters, I get about 910K dmg

[cerulean smelt]

and i bet Average dreams math 😹

[onyx sage]

no i don't

[solar sable]

he's more of a meth man

[worn imp]

what has more value in this situation: 57% CHC and 152% CHD with normal obliderate or 60% CHC and 130 CHD but also +5% RoF and perfect obliderate? Assume I have no other source of RoF like strikers.

the question here is do I run equalizer and sit at 130% CHD but also better obliderate and 5% more RoF or I run a ceska w normal obliderate

@onyx sage i think you would know the answer as this is a relatively simple comparison here. No heavy math needed, you probably already know the answer from experience and other advice

[onyx sage]

this is still hunter's fury right

[worn imp]

y

[worn imp]

im running killer as well if thats relevant

[onyx sage]

first loses around 3% to the second if killer not procced

[worn imp]

The equalizer one loses?

[onyx sage]

first loses around 6% to the second if killer procced

first is ceska
second is equalizer

[worn imp]

I tested a metric bunch of times in the range and just shooting in the torso with killer active. The times I got about half of the mag critted with the ceska setup I got like average 500K-1 mil more DPS than the Equalizer setup. What high CHD damage builds are all about is getting lucky. Cause if you get lucky in your mag you can get very high nice DPS numbers

[median swallow]

Hi all, I have hit a wall I am a ps5 player and at lvl 45 shd watch I don't know what build to go for or how to grind things for optimisation. I have a couple of gear sets but don't know how to use them I feel like I'm lacking in everything and just weak, I just want a build that's strong dmg with high survivability please can someone help me and explain it a-bit better on what to grind and go for. P.s thank you

[solar sable]

Go to pinned messages, Spreadsheet 2, Build Hub, Starting lvl40 farm by MrChow

[subtle bluff]

To note that DPS counter on the range isn't prefect.

[solar sable]

Also, in this game tanking isn't really a thing and you lose a lot of dmg from it plus you dont really get benefited by armor cores, it just takes longer to get killed and to kill
For a mix of both dmg and armor, you can use Heartbreaker

Just note that you won't get a high dmg output if you use Armor Cores aka blues, that's the basics of this game
Kill before they can overwhelm you

[median swallow]

Okay thank you I do have a set of that also the spread sheet is really confusing on phone but again thank you

Although even with it in I still feel weak idk if it cuz my shd lvl is to low

[solar sable]

shd level doesnt really give you a massive boost, as you play more you'll get better and understand why cover is important and why red cores are far greater than blues

[median swallow]

And ye I do have blue cores all over it I won't lie 😭😭

Okay thank you doomz I'll come back if I feel stuck again also I send a pic of my build tmr as I'm going bed now just thought I'd try get some more advice

[solar sable]

I run this in pretty much any content, Glass Cannon (chest talent) gives me a 30% dmg "boost" at the cost of 60% more dmg taken. That being said, I'm very fragile and susceptible to dying even faster than normal

[median swallow]

Oh okay

[solar sable]

you can also see I'm not in the thousands of shd levels

it doesn't matter as long as you get better
"never judge a book by its cover" is what I like to say

[median swallow]

Of course expect the unexpected I'll try some things out

[solar sable]

good luck!

[foggy imp]

Is the classic m60 better with tipping scales or the gR9

[solar sable]

m249, mk46 and mg5 are great options but use whatever you feel more comfortable with as TS gives you a good mag size bump

[onyx sage]

m60 is best with TS

[solar sable]

sustain?

[onyx sage]

just because of m60 frenzy

[solar sable]

as simple as that, noted

[onyx sage]

without frenzy there are better options

[subtle bluff]

RPM doesn't matter with TS in a sense. It'll build stack just hold trigger

[median swallow]

Is tipping scale good droomz?

[solar sable]

it's amazing

[median swallow]

That's what I'm running right now

Then that's my striker build

[solar sable]

this is tipping scales vs an heroic krampuslauf

ignore my shit aim

[median swallow]

It's not loading

[solar sable]

quality ain't that high

[median swallow]

What gun you using

[solar sable]

Iron Lung

[median swallow]

How u get that

[solar sable]

it's in the general loot pool, I went to matchmake Challenging Countdown with LMG as Targeted Loot

[lost wren]

bruh i got a unicorn habsburg piece but it's cherished

[median swallow]

I wanna try your build doomz

Grinding for tipping scales now

[solar sable]

just keep in mind what i said about glass canon

[median swallow]

That's the chest perk?

[lost wren]

yes

[median swallow]

Damn so much work

Is my striker build any good anyway

[median swallow]

This one?

[strong cave]

You're best off crafting them

I own 3 unicorn pieces, but 1 of them has a miss-roll. Didn't care bc it's for a 1 shot raid build anyways and only need HSD + Vigi on it

[meager fog]

Using 5 pieces is a waste

Basic strikers is Ceska or UA chest with Obliterate/Perfect Obliterate and Overdogs gloves or Coyotes mask

You also need to use the smaller (Crusader) shield so you can use it with your Primary

[hexed steppe]

What in the cell phone image is this

General build rule-
4pc gearset or no piece gearset. Off pieces are better filled with highend or exotic depending on the build. There are a couple good build tools and our pinned sheet of guides to point you in the right direction

[median swallow]

Well I'm trying but thank you

How's that the best has perfect

The best has perfect obliteration

Vest not best cmon

Or should I use chatterbox instead of ouroboros

Or maybe even backfire

[strong cave]

SHD 46 and has ouroboros

Man I remember having to learn how to master Incursion for that gun... Only for them to nerf it

[meager fog]

St Elmos was a better choice

[strong cave]

Saw a shd 15 yesterday and had regulus. My heart sank

[median swallow]

Okay

[strong cave]

Love how they treated us these holidays but damn it definitely does hurt seeing these newer players not know the struggles of the raids

[solar sable]

YOU HAVE OREO?! GODDAMN

[strong cave]

Newbies promise me you'll play the raids 🙏

[median swallow]

Sure gotta experience all the game

[strong cave]

Hell yeah 💯

[solar sable]

It's actually Perfect Glass Cannon from named Providence chest "The Sacrifice"

[median swallow]

Plus I got it out of the winter event box even got 2

[strong cave]

That's straight up evil recommending glass cannon this fast 🤣

[median swallow]

No it's my fault I wanted to try it

[solar sable]

well yeah but I said if he wanted to try it just be careful with it lmao

[strong cave]

Learning how to play glass first shapes you into a better player pretty quickly tbh

[median swallow]

I tried it and i can't do it so back to striker

[strong cave]

You'll eventually learn all the cover exploits to prevent yourself from being shot at all

[solar sable]

it forges a character to the player, the challenging all red route to be precise 🔥

[strong cave]

I started off with glass and fully ditched it. Didn't come back until like... 1800 hours later

[median swallow]

F that I need stuff for optimising but I don't know how to get it 😭😭

[solar sable]

lmaooo
ever since I got to pc I have never taken off pgc unless I'm in a group

[strong cave]

I run glass as a solo bc if I run it in groups everything loooooves to target me

[median swallow]

Does anyone's else armour just disappear in anything above hard levels??

[strong cave]

I only use glass with negoscreen ODogs

[strong cave]

Are you fighting true sons and do you have the modifiers on?

[median swallow]

No and yes

[strong cave]

True Sons turrets are bugged RN doing extremely high damage and enemy modifiers are fairly strong this season

[median swallow]

Only the global one on

[strong cave]

Disable modifiers

[median swallow]

Okay

[meager fog]

Learning to not get shot is key to playing full red

[median swallow]

Btw d2 compared to d1 is so different

[median swallow]

Bet that will take along time

[strong cave]

Being a bullet magnet sucks sometimes

[meager fog]

It's just developing good habits early. Like using full cover and learning the environments

[median swallow]

I miss taction and reclaimer

[worn imp]

not everyone wants to play at a razor's edge lmao.

Personally I detest running red builds for general heroic content that cant at least tank a little bit using shield. Thats why i love memento. makes shield more useful to tank a bit more and it regens faster

[worn imp]

but respect to the people that want to clench their cheeks all the time, I wont say it doesn't take far more intense focus and locking in and generally higher brain cell combustion. Respect

[subtle bluff]

I've posted what a tech tank build can do..

[worn imp]

huh?

[subtle bluff]

But that isn't brain dead to run either.

[worn imp]

I actually havent checked out much of the tech tank stuff, if anything. Show me!

[subtle bluff]

Search it.

I'm mobile I hate searching.

[worn imp]

ah understanbruh

[worn imp]

wait where tho? search on spreadsheet?

[subtle bluff]

In this channel.

[worn imp]

oh truuuee

[subtle bluff]

#td2-build-advice message

[worn imp]

what is this build

you posted a clip of u running tech tank a couple days ago

[subtle bluff]

Forward it

Tech tank

[worn imp]

xDDD sure

[hexed steppe]

heartbreaker , memento, tech class, artificer hive

[worn imp]

yeah but the high ends?

or exotic gear items?

what they be

[subtle bluff]

It's mentioned above...

[worn imp]

okay sry just meant the high end

i forgot u said exotic

[subtle bluff]

Almost w/e

[subtle bluff]

I didn't say anything...

[worn imp]

its 2 am, i meant local said them

[subtle bluff]

He mentioned pretty the build.

[worn imp]

?

[worn imp]

i dont see the 1 high end item in the build being mentioned. a ceska chest maybe? idk

[hexed steppe]

i imagine the last piece will be ceska

hb chest

[worn imp]

you get what i meant now, chow?

[worn imp]

what? HB stacks dont give bonus armor after u max the stacks.

[hexed steppe]

crit starved builds usually always feature ceska.

[worn imp]

plus you could run intimidate on a ceska, which would be huge

[hexed steppe]

hb chest offers best damage

[worn imp]

better than intimidate??

[subtle bluff]

No.

[worn imp]

i also just find HB stacks to be really cumbersome to keep high. Its like having the stack depletion rate of striker's 50-100 from 0-75.

[subtle bluff]

I'm sorry you need us to walk you thru it?

[versed summit]

Very close, but intimidate only works within 10m and if your bonus armor is up.

[worn imp]

bonus armor has good uptime when u run a shield with some skills tiers on heartbreaker

[subtle bluff]

You always give random crap about red builds. I show a hybrid "tank" build and you just question why it's built the way it is..

[onyx sage]

i can't survive with all reds

[subtle bluff]

And you can see what it's doing in a solo leggo with no modifiers.

[onyx sage]

now i lurk

[subtle bluff]

Breakdown the video better.

I'm sorry I'm just in blunt mood.

[hexed steppe]

gramps got a revive for you kiddo

[worn imp]

I dont doubt that you and others have thought long and hard about it and experimented, but please don't interpret my questions as me doubting your judgement. I simply wanna understand why one would certain things over other alternatives. Getting an understanding of why an optimal setup is optimal is part of the fun!

[subtle bluff]

Like I said the clip is there. You can see why it's ran the way it is.

[worn imp]

Chow you literally have the best build understanding in this server for all I care. Im asking essentially cause i wanna understand the build mechanics more deeply.

[subtle bluff]

The base is mentioned. Figure it out yourself. Us explain it all to you're not gonna understand it.

Try it.

[hexed steppe]

memento does a lot of the heavy lifting, scaling the skill health (shield health) and repair skills for artificer. on top of the 3 skill tiers from memento/tech

[subtle bluff]

It's not even full stacked there too.

[worn imp]

This is all blue cores or some skill cores sprinkled in?

[astral kraken]

I can assure you that my cheeks only clench for loot drops.

If red/glass stresses you out that’s just lack of experience. Don’t give up, keep practicing, and soon it’ll be super chill.

[astral kraken]

Eeeeeewwwwwww heartbreaker

[worn imp]

ah i just like to play hella aggressively when I can, its part of the enjoyment personally. I need my memento xD

[scenic whale]

Heartbreaker chest afaik doubles the stack count, that’s like 50% more amped damage which I don’t think intimidate is really gonna compete with (+ it’s more bonus armor)

[subtle bluff]

It's not exactly the build the base idea is from this.

[astral kraken]

Glass players play very aggressive too

[worn imp]

doesnt double, it adds 25 more to the base 50

[scenic whale]

Then you swap around to like HE Ceska Mask and memento backpack

[scenic whale]

That sounds like tipping scales, you sure?

[subtle bluff]

Wtf HB and TS?

[worn imp]

wait im trippin, yes ur right david

[scenic whale]

The damage might be like 1.1 or 1 a stack it’s slipping my mind rn but 50 more stacks is quite huge

[worn imp]

1.1

[worn imp]

ye exactly, remembered correctly when he reminded me of tipping scales

[scenic whale]

• the HB stacks are active as long as you’re shooting as opposed to Obli which needs bonus armor and re ramping so I can see why the chest is usually preferred

Memento for obvious reason it’s an absolute work horse

[hexed steppe]

replace oblit with intimidate maybe

[worn imp]

the re amping is super fast tho, usually less than a mag

[scenic whale]

Dog my brain is so red pilled I actually defaulted obli

[worn imp]

yeah was the idea i had earlier in the discussion. I like intim. makes stack management less annoying for HB

[hexed steppe]

😂

[scenic whale]

I forgor convo was asking about vs Intimidate mb lmao

[hexed steppe]

i knew what you meant, i just mess with ppl

[worn imp]

default all-red-build pilled heheh

[scenic whale]

Hey man if it was up to me id run GC, but I digress

[subtle bluff]

My version of tech tank is a balance and playstyle to run it the way I did.

[worn imp]

i dont know abbreviations

[worn imp]

whats your core distribution?

[hexed steppe]

i remember the days when i had memento and standard dps versions cause i put that sht on everything... now i have alts that dont even have memento saved to a loadout 🤔 .
gunner has become my memento, and ttk is my regen

survivability through superior damage output

[worn imp]

yeah just murder shiz faster, amirite. but no seriously yeah... Personally i wanna be able to relax with more margin for error, so i sacrifice a small bit of DPS output

but props to the glass cannon gamers out there fr tho

[hexed steppe]

thats when you get serious and make a nego glass build

[worn imp]

what... diamondback crit memes?

[hexed steppe]

nego equalizer would be a suitable replacement for glass tho

[hexed steppe]

no, melt everything memes

[worn imp]

what kinda weapon types like nego dilemma?

[hexed steppe]

all

[smoky latch]

The Sleigher

[worn imp]

😳

[hexed steppe]

this is my standard setup for pretty much any dps, legs included.

bluescreen, lex, odogs, all crit

[worn imp]

wait remind me, why bluescreen? havent used it much? is it because status effect stuff from it?

[magic pilot]

It's just a solid lmg

[hexed steppe]

i just like it. iron lung, any lmg you like, any ar you like

[worn imp]

iron lung has too small a mag to utilize its talent fully imo

[hexed steppe]

rifles do well, and smg acceptable

[solar sable]

ah, the good ♻️ -able setup

[hexed steppe]

@onyx sage fix this guy

[worn imp]

saw ur measured Lexi, same as mine, literally same expertise too. Gotta ask since im wondering.... is the damage buff in the latter half of the mag an amp or not?

[onyx sage]

i mean i agree, who even uses that gun

[worn imp]

procceeds to: 🔨 bonk

[hexed steppe]

its total weapon damage, acts as an amp if its a single source, even with something like oblit already in build its still stronger than regular weapon damage.

[smoky latch]

You doing pretty good with it in your runs, don't be shy

[solar sable]

what runs? who is that guy?

[onyx sage]

...i don't know what you're talking about... i only use determined

[smoky latch]

😂

OK 🤐

[hazy steeple]

@onyx sage If you were a real average player, all your runs would be on Hard, and use exclusively what you see in a youtube video.

[worn imp]

6 striker pieces ftw: the real meta

[hazy steeple]

Shh, don't reveal the secret meta, you'll get it nerfed.

[onyx sage]

it's pretty much designed to have its talent active around half way through the mag. the talent doesn't really make or cut it, it just has very decent mag damage and has a way to solve suppression issues natively. if you contrast it with something like elmo, its burn actually has more uptime

[worn imp]

yeah but with elmo u dont gotta keep shooting to keep the shock talent procced. you can just 1 tap like 7 dudes all lined up so ur teammates can go ham

[onyx sage]

you just tap fire with iron lung to keep the bar up

[worn imp]

true

but... too much work

[onyx sage]

idk man. it's one of my top recommended weapons for hard content if you're willing to give up the shield

[worn imp]

oh yeah man the gun is awesome

[onyx sage]

try it first, then give your thoughts. people actually try it after seeing my runs

[worn imp]

but personally i like to be able to more liberally utilize the talent without giving up my index finger to oblivion, so i just run it on tipping scales

[worn imp]

not bashing on the gun never did, just made the point that i wanna utilize its talent more freely. The attachments, the mag damage, everything of the rest, is great

[onyx sage]

i only stop using it temporarily while i test out gr9 frenzy since i just found out why it's so strong

[worn imp]

wut?? youre a build head guy and you just recently found out about frenzy gr9?? dayum

[onyx sage]

i know, i'm just saying the way the talent is designed is actually balanced

[worn imp]

oh defo

[onyx sage]

it's more that i only heard of m249 or mk46 used with frenzy (on striker-based setups). i overlooked gr9 because it was nerfed not long ago. didn't realize it outperformed m249 for my solo master run

[hexed steppe]

but yeah, bluescreen offers a lot of staggering cc, awesome handling, and a huge mag. strategically using an emp sticky can let you proc bluescreen cc on demand

[onyx sage]

i did use gr9 before but only with steady handed

[worn imp]

i love playing gr9 frenzy but also vehemently hate it

[hexed steppe]

i slept on it for a long time

[smoky latch]

Or dropping your hive rq

If not on cd

[onyx sage]

I'm still at the point where I'm trying to see which situations I should use it for

[hexed steppe]

eh, you still gotta waste time picking it up

[worn imp]

interesting...

[smoky latch]

Just a second

Can be inconvenient a little

[worn imp]

btw speaking of sticky... how df do yall hipfire that thing while running cover to cover? i dont know the tech lol

[smoky latch]

Double tap your keybind

[worn imp]

what? it just autotargets an enemy or sum shid?

[hexed steppe]

double tap is hitscan wherever your weapon is aimed

[smoky latch]

No it's not a homing missile

[hexed steppe]

even if they make it around a corner

[worn imp]

oh wow thats sick actually

makes it alot faster to use

[hexed steppe]

i usually just make air shots with it... 3 second cooldown and i get a disrupt anyways from bluescreen

[worn imp]

wym 3 sec cooldown

[hazy steeple]

It's a fun trick to learn if you have a spare slot in your DPS build (aka: you've moved on from a Reviver Hive)

[smoky latch]

If you shoot it out of bounds it doesn't have its full cd

[hexed steppe]

same with hitting teamates

[smoky latch]

I forgot about that, ya

[solar sable]

aka leave the diaper behind /j

[worn imp]

and why is this something u wanna do? how does it synergize with bluescreen

[smoky latch]

local just explained it

[hexed steppe]

whats your ign

[hazy steeple]

That's a "failed use", or whatever the official term is.
It happens to skills if they've been placed in an impossible area, and I like to think of it as ISAC giving you a light slap on the wrist.

[hexed steppe]

👆

sometimes showing is easier than trying to explain

[worn imp]

show me tomorrow cause i gotta sleep honestly

im just on my laptop typing here

[hazy steeple]

No sleeping lying?

[worn imp]

and dont wanna fire up pc

[worn imp]

ooooo i see

[worn imp]

when it says "trigger an effect", which one??

[hexed steppe]

depends on stacks

[worn imp]

the one that corresponds to ur stacks yeah`?

gotcha

[hexed steppe]

so like the end of roose, with 2 murauders. this can keep both almost permanently disrupted

[worn imp]

thats pretty sick actually. interesting build idea

[hexed steppe]

like i said, stagger on demand. make the npcs bend to your will instead of the other way around

[worn imp]

if ur already running an LMG tho, is there really anything else good you can be running besides hive if you already have sticky equipped?

[hexed steppe]

might have some issues in solo dua tho

[worn imp]

great for leggos

[onyx sage]

the sticky trick not working indoors is why i hesitate recommending it

[worn imp]

eh ill find a hole in the roof xD

[hexed steppe]

thats what teamates are for

[onyx sage]

I'm a solo player

[worn imp]

oh shit so u shoot ur teammates so it disappears??? thats so funny lmao

[onyx sage]

i only use builds i make myself

[worn imp]

does it work on companions? 👀

[hexed steppe]

-# Average builds ™

[onyx sage]

yeah

it's actually funnier to use on companions

[worn imp]

what do they chatter and talk smack cause u shoot em?

that would be lore accurate

[onyx sage]

no they shake off the sticky like elite enemies if you take too long before detonating

they do complain though yeah

[worn imp]

okay yall. Good night and thx for interesting nerdy build talk

[last schooner]

anyone got a rugged gaunlets build?

[versed summit]

Ideally no build has rugged gauntlets

[wary cobalt]

Is armor regen still good

[silent storm]

Anyone have any fun new builds?

[solar sable]

hell no, at least not in pve

[silent storm]

Just deleted a characters worth of stuff I was hording and want to fit him with a new build

[hexed steppe]

fun old build, Mortar

oxi setup

cc eclipse

[silent storm]

I already have a mortar build

Maybe just transfer it to my now almost empty character and do that

[hexed steppe]

was nothing you trashed worth using?

i end up making duplicate builds on all my alts and just switch builds a lot

no-determined hh build should be on the list

[astral kraken]

decoy

[silent storm]

ehh, some of it might have been good but I don't feel like trying it now. Lot's of HE gear in the knees holster gloves and mask slot that had certain attributes but not many maxed and I wanted to up my expertise so figured I could just farm them again if I wanted

[hexed steppe]

thats fair

iirc you were mostly focused dps, so for a change support builds are pretty dope

all i run in countdown is hazpro foam eclipse

[silent storm]

This a good gun? Been looking at it and I wanted to try something with this

[subtle bluff]

4pcs Hotshot with this is fun

Unlimited ammo if you hit all HS

Then if you reload a good amount of bonus armor.

[silent storm]

Yeah was thinking can just do a good run and never have to reload you know

So 4pc HS build

Chest and pack? HE or GS?

Backpack for the freebie maybe?

[hexed steppe]

looks like ill be farming outcast retaliations for a bit. didnt even realize i had a shroud blueprint and need 3 more copies

[silent storm]

3 more copies of what?

[hexed steppe]

shroud exo mmr

[wary cobalt]

PvP?

[silent storm]

What comes from Outcasts?

[hexed steppe]

i thought the canisters

[silent storm]

Is that the lightning gun or is that the Black Tusk?

St' Elmo

[hexed steppe]

correction, only need 1 more crafted . its the mmr where the talent is opposite to overdogs

[silent storm]

This is Black Tusk right? For the military dogtags

[hexed steppe]

highlight it in resources tab, i think true sons

[silent storm]

Oh yeah I always forget you can just read where it comes from

I never check my resource tab >< I just go to the table and then see what I am lacking and go get it, but exotic comps I always forget about

Everything else is self explanatory you know, so I forget the exotics have descriptions

Hell I didn't even know I had the BP until I was just accidentally clicking on the tab

Meant to hit the Optimization tab and missed

[subtle bluff]

HH works still ish or Focus.

[silent storm]

I like Focus, that was my first one shot sniper build

I played a lot with my friends who would draw agro then, they don't play anymore though

[silent storm]

Why do you need so many Shrouds though?

[hexed steppe]

duplicate builds on all my alts. i farm 4x of each piece i need for builds

[surreal stream]

How...judicious should I be in investing resources in optimization & expertise upgrades? Send it on anything I equip or hold out for well-rolled items?

[silent storm]

That sounds crazy from a hoarders perspective

[silent storm]

90% of things drop max rolled or close to max roll. So if you have a build in mind just farm gear. Expertise should only be awarded to finished loadouts/weapons that you use regularly.

[surreal stream]

and for optimization do I hold out for stuff that's within like 1 round on everything I'm keeping on it?

[silent storm]

Depends on how rare the roll is. Mostly has to do with chest and backpack rolls. Sometimes you get the perfect set really low rolled and unfortunately you need to spend the resource to max it. Mask gloves knees and holster though I max those last because target loot in a couple Countdowns will most likely get you a higher roll.

[surreal stream]

and I suppose with like set pieces we only even need max core stat since we can just slap whatever other we want on with recal

[silent storm]

Yeah GS is way easier to farm than HE

[surreal stream]

as far as my Striker setup's concerned I'm actually in a pretty good place then. out of chc/chd the only one I don't have maxed out is chd for kneepads, my equalizer & salvo would each need 2 rounds of optimizaiton to max out

[silent storm]

Yeah you can do that in a few hours of Control Point and Supply Convoys

[surreal stream]

weapon-wise as much as I don't love the G36 on vibes I pulled a completely perfect Caretaker from an event box

[astral kraken]

A few rules of thumb here to save you time/resources.

1. Only expertise weapons because the benefit from expertising gear is miniscule. The best weapons to expertise have very high base damage (MMRs, shotguns, some pistols) because that's the most bang for your buck. The top ARs (Lexington, Elmo, etc) are good to expertise too.

2. Don't waste more than one optimization on Striker pieces. They always drop with a red core and are easy to farm. It's better to just fine a Striker piece that drops with one high roll and recalibrate the low roll. Then just do one optimization on the high roll.

3. Some items are worth optimizing instead of holding out for better rolls. These are items that are difficult to farm like high end chests and backpacks (because you need the right core, 2 attributes, and a talent).

If you think about it that list is just common sense so just apply that same logic to everything.

[surreal stream]

you'd think with an entire countdown's worth of targeted Striker I'd get at least one usable piece with a max roll.

Side note I really wish CD did it like WoW M+ and put all your drops in a chest at the end

[kind epoch]

does measured make a lmg more cqb?

[subtle bluff]

retal heroic if you want to do that

[indigo perch]

Is the eagle bearer any good in Heroic-Legendary PVE? Maybe as something to give all-red builds way more artificial survivability through the talent

[wispy hollow]

Maybe but Lexington with the right talents or St Elmos are overall better

[onyx sage]

not really. the real survivability still comes from good positioning and killing them before they kill you. EB doesn't compete in terms of damage to clear stuff fast

[surreal stream]

tbh heroic still scares me a bit even with this build at like 90% optimal

[subtle bluff]

I'll do one or 2 with you quickly

[hexed steppe]

i would go as far as only adding expertise upgrades to weapons with correct attributes and a talent slot free to be recalibrated . this way if talents get nerfed or buffed, you are free to use the best possible talents and not have those upgrades be wasted on a dead weapon talent

[hexed steppe]

its the hunt and theory crafting i like most about this game, especially after 7800 hrs. what else ya gonna do to keep the game fresh? plus im picky and i want everything a hotswap away regardless of the alt im using 😎

[onyx sage]

i need to put a frenzy gr9 on every character

[true oak]

guys is this build bad ? cuz i really enjoy it but people said its low dps so its not gonna work

[solar sable]

just swap ninjabike with Strikers Bag and that's good for now I'd say

[true oak]

this is way better right ?

[subtle bluff]

With NBB less dmg. W/O NBB more dmg.

[true oak]

so this better

[solar sable]

way better

[true oak]

better then this one ?

[solar sable]

two different setups sorry

[true oak]

yea which one is good for more dps ?

[wispy hollow]

Both are good. Just avoid NBB and you are good

[solar sable]

I'll let chow answer this

[true oak]

what do u think mr chow ?

[subtle bluff]

[astral kraken]

18% more DPS, easy

[solar sable]

what does this mean sir

[astral kraken]

You have to decide by yourself by testing it in the content you're doing.

The Overdogs variant has 8% less burst DPS when Overdogs not active. But it has 17% more burst DPS when Overdogs is active.

If you do mostly heroic content then Overdogs is going to be active a lot. In legendary it's more debatable.

[subtle bluff]

I think he got the idea from the reactions to his SS's

GOD DAMNIT.. I still don't have a P. Oblit

[solar sable]

you really like reactions huh 😆

[astral kraken]

You can't end 2025 without equalizer. Let's go.

[solar sable]

you doin countdown?

[astral kraken]

let's do retal doomz

[subtle bluff]

Retal