td2-build-advice

[fleet wasp]

and i can filter those in countdown for targetted loot im guessing?

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar sable]

I use... the one that gives something like 5% hsd and it's third person

[solar sable]

overdogs are not in general loot pool, are they?

[kind epoch]

i have the exps3 which gives 10% and is also 3rd person

[astral kraken]

sir that regulus is not grade 30

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[onyx sage]

that's local

[onyx sage]

they should be

[fleet wasp]

if im tryna get an exotic lmg do i show targtteed loot for them i dont see anything specifc for exotics

[onyx sage]

target lmg

if only getting exotics were that easy 💀

[fleet wasp]

i got elmos first try within like 4 kills of a coutdown lol but yea thast 100% valid

[astral kraken]

blocked

[onyx sage]

you don't need bluescreen for nego btw, can just use the elmo you have

[fleet wasp]

i just wanna get it to try it out yk

[onyx sage]

you also don't need overdogs either, but yeah nego solves your 0-stack problems from striker

[fleet wasp]

also half the exotics i have my brother who plays and has been playing alot longer dosent have so its rlly funny seeing his reaction whem i show him what i got

[kind epoch]

does targeted loot affect exotics for CD? or is exotics at random?

[solar sable]

on type

[astral kraken]

mostly yea. so like if you choose assault rifles then you could get an elmo.

but only for exotics that are in the general loot pool

[hexed steppe]

retal has target loot and can be a solid farm. if a specific faction has the blueprint you need, even better. overdogs being hyena. cant remember which faction has bluescreen tho.

[kind epoch]

think i might try going for overdogs today (technically)

[shy bone]

Is there anything immediate I can do to improve this fella? If it’s even possible to make out from the image, that is..

[subtle bluff]

Going strikers or TS will net more peak DPS

HE (Hig-End) build with Bluescreen isn't synergy. Bluescreen is better longer or healther targerts.
3pcs Petrov isn't give more than other choices.
Get a gunner spec if gives more in the end. Sharpshooer spec

[worn imp]

What are the best builds to make enemies stand out of cover in legendaries except for foam builds? Is blinder firefly actually a halfway decent option?

or like fire builds i guess?

just looking for different ways to play support to keep things fresh i guess

[subtle bluff]

Firefly goes can maybe hit 3-5 targets then goes on a CD.

EP Foam is the answer no matter what you're looking at here.

[worn imp]

yeah. figures

[subtle bluff]

Nothing else works even half way decent to it for that job.

[worn imp]

but i suppose u could build like a hardwired thing to make cooldown low or something

[subtle bluff]

Still have to aim the dumb thing.

[worn imp]

i mean not after it locks on a few dudes

[subtle bluff]

Again EP Foam jsut wins. Once a target dies everythign else around it is Foamed...

[worn imp]

sadge meta

[subtle bluff]

GL with that thought on Leggo

[worn imp]

ok chow

[subtle bluff]

You are talking about some of the actual hardest content in the game. Meta is the name of the game.

Once you have carried a team then you can start trying non-meta stuff

because then you understand how ADS work, cover, etc etc

EP and FI do so much support if played right. If you're only trying foam or only trying to heal you're not doing your full job as a support in leggo.

They're meta because of what they can bring to a team at a lost of a DPS.

Sorry. I really dislike what people cry about what is meta and there trying to do the end game content.

[urban latch]

If anything worked as well as foam does you'd just call that "sadge" as well and not want to use it too

[subtle bluff]

I have some off meta builds but I do not share them all the time only in-game generally because it's only 1/3 of the build 1/3 gameplay and 1/3 the team that can run with it.

[worn imp]

not at all, it depends entirely on how skillful it feels to use. Skillful in the sense that you dont use it to spawn farm enemies, but rather deal with them as they spread out. I may not play legendaries optimally but I still enjoy them for the challenge they pose when you dont minmax it.

[subtle bluff]

If you know how to carry or be one of the main DPS guys in leggo then sure then you should know what you are able to do and not do.

My thing about Support is either you're ability to always be able to effect the battlefield. If cannot and you are idle for more than like 5s you've been weight for a team.

[worn imp]

Well I completed a Tidal leggo the other day as main DPS dealer with a friend running firefly blinder stuff, and sure it wasnt the best from what I saw but we still managed to coordinate well and target specific enemies all at once and make them get up from cover due to the blind

[subtle bluff]

Ya it can work never said it wouldn't.

but then anyone could do that if you were worried.

If you're on comms you can get away with some more.

But then why are you asking here then.

[worn imp]

I wanna hear more experienced peeps take on some options. I enjoy exploring different playstyles and avenues, thats what keeps a game like Div 2 more fresh for me 🙂

But tbf I shoulda specified that I was asking for builds that can work well when ur on comms

[subtle bluff]

a premade team for leggo is different.

Comms makes it so much easier to get it done. That's when I am help to teach and carry a team.

[subtle bluff]

You know I like context..

Or else you're gonna a get a blanket of answers..

Another way if you're with a team is HW Cluster

[worn imp]

sry remind me, hw?

[subtle bluff]

But it's doesn't target well but does get them to move.

Hardwire

[worn imp]

cluster mine? interesting

[subtle bluff]

then 2nd skil easier to use is Hive or something you can drop and pick up.

China Light with CG

If you go with Hive BTSU and all gear mods to Skill Repair. Then Skill Dmg the rest.

[subtle bluff]

In RMM this build doesn't do too much.

[worn imp]

Why the skill damage? isnt it pretty much useless? aint it better to max the haste instead for more often use of clusters?

[subtle bluff]

Haste doesn't matter with HW.

[worn imp]

ah right

[subtle bluff]

It still does something.. Idk.. I never measure the amount tbh

[worn imp]

forgot we were using HW lol

why not just run like crit chance or something and then capacitator lol

[subtle bluff]

I've forced few Tidal run with groups by jsut keeping them up.

Spending more time with skills than shooting

[worn imp]

can at least contribute a couple hundred thousand more in dps or so

[subtle bluff]

The amount of the time you're just throw, using skill and aimingyou won't have enough time with Capa

[worn imp]

yh

[subtle bluff]

I've support a force a tidal team with this build. Keeping everyone up, OC when it's back up and both rez hives down. It took comms tho to do.

[slate mango]

Can someone please send me a screenshot of a strong dmg build without overdo gloves as I don’t have them

[misty hull]

anyone got a bighorn build for pve?

[subtle bluff]

Yes but probably won't like it...

[misty hull]

same as the striker dps build? Dont need to stack headshot stats.

[subtle bluff]

no

That post was for the other guy

This is for you.

P MiniT I haven't updated it with UA yet.

[astral kraken]

• Iron Lung will pull them out of cover as long as you can hit any body part, like when they're blind firing
• Oxi will make them run away (but is a waste of a skill slot imo unless you're dedicated oxi in a coordinated team)
• Grenades of all types will make them run. Foam grenades will keep them in place.
• Seekers will make them run away while trying to dodge them
• Decoys will force them to reposition if the decoy is close enough
• Blue screen + EMP sticky into the sky allows you to constantly CC as long as you can tag them
• Turrets thrown in the right spots will cause them to treat it as a threat and run away/around it

[misty hull]

thank you, was going ham with headshot dmg, i do pepega dmg when i miss

[subtle bluff]

BH isn't great really in the end because it's HSD focused.

And he has no Crit mods so it's take away from CHD in the end.

[astral kraken]

The problem though is your question is too general. The support build you're playing is really dependent on your team and what your team needs - not you. Too many support players are selfish and just want to do their preferred thing without focusing on what the team actually needs.

[subtle bluff]

I think he just needs to run with us and see how a good run should go.

[misty hull]

btw do incoming repairs affect armor on kill?

[subtle bluff]

no

AoK is not a repairing. It's just giving you armor.

[misty hull]

thanks

[misty hull]

Is that headshot dmg a visual bug?

[astral kraken]

yea. if you logout/login it'll look normal again.

[slate jungle]

currently rocking this. does anyone know a build but with pestilence with almost the same DMG ?

[solar sable]

swap strikers with coco and there you have it

[dreamy valve]

Anyone using Shroud outside of summit?

[onyx sage]

yeah

it can be used generically to crack chunga helmets better than a normal mmr

[late barn]

anything i can improve here?

[dreamy valve]

Very brave full red at cqc

[onyx sage]

it's good

[buoyant perch]

Wrong shield, you want firewall shield to amplify damage

[strong cave]

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are you looking for a new, immersive build keeping the idea of GTA in mind but on a game like division 2? Well, look no further, for I have presented to you the all new "GTA build".

With the bullwark shield, itll essentially be as bullet heavy as a car door.
If you can see in the pistol slot as well, youll notice your handy-dandy CJ Approved Glock equipped with a switch. Extended mag included. Bullets are not hollow-point

All you have to do, like every GTA player does, is stick their switch modified Glock Extendo out the car door and spray every innocent bystander that happens to walk by the ads are NOT innocent.

Immersive, right?

** GIVE IT A TRY!**

Edit ✍️

the following post below was a meme post

[late barn]

oh shi thanks for pointing it out

[late barn]

i enjoy a bit of risk

[drowsy mica]

@subtle bluff Hey, I've got a question about the attached image.
The skill tiers on every piece is intended for the Survivalist path, rather than the alternate Technician route, correct?

I see that you're the last to update the image, so I assume you've got more insight onto the wording of this

Is there any reason someone should have 7 skill tiers? I was under the impression that would be completely redundant, but I've met others claiming otherwise

[onyx sage]

there is no reason to be at 7 yeah

[drowsy mica]

Yeah, that's what I thought

[onyx sage]

the guide is like that, but also it doesn't make much of a difference to swap out a core to red or blue

tbh you should make both technician and survivalist loadouts, you would want to go technician for the faraday passive for example, while survivalist is for better synergy with sledgehammer and the extra 10% amp to status affected enemies

to make it cheaper you would want to reuse the same pieces as much as possible, so that's why the guide doesn't really talk about the 7 skill tiers thing

ideally the only difference between the survivalist and the technician loadouts is just the spec itself

[drowsy mica]

Yeah, I've done the same too. Especially with Surv's outgoing healing buff
I'm just trying to convince another person I know that 7 skill tiers is functionally useless lol

[onyx sage]

just tell him to look in the descriptions of the skills they use to see if there's anything that 7 tiers would help with

if they assume that 7 tiers = overcharge, correct them

[frozen hull]

So since I got the regulus … looking at the build list is the high end build better than the hunters fury ?

[onyx sage]

different use cases

the HF one is better for hard content like legendaries or speedrunning missions, the high end one is when you don't need that much damage/survivability but you want more upfront damage

[frozen hull]

Good to know thank you

[subtle bluff]

Tech and Surv both have a heal thing either is better in that aspect. Hence what noted in the guide.

[wary crypt]

Besides exotic pistol, what are the most sustain dps for pistol?

[late barn]

is there any good builds involving ridgeways pride?

rip

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's not great in general.

[kind epoch]

What does Overdogs replace? And how come it’s an upgrade? I’d like to loot it eventually but idk if it’ll make a different for my noob ass 😂

[cosmic wing]

replaces coyotes mask

[smoky latch]

Read its talent; pretty enticing

[kind epoch]

I dont think im using coyote mask. It would go to my hotshot build

[kind epoch]

Oh… idk if it’ll be effective for me LOL I don’t kill in order

[onyx sage]

replaces 1p hotshot

it's implied by my statement "if you're willing to give up 4p hotshot"

so it would look like 3p hotshot, overdogs, chainkiller, vigilance backpack

the best part is you can call it hotdogs

[kind epoch]

I mean as long as I can still 1 hit KO on heroic 😂 I’m game with it lmao

[onyx sage]

it will do that and then some

[kind epoch]

Because I literally have the rest of the pieces. Just not overdogs but I know that’s an exotic RNG which I think will take forever even with targeted loot 😂😂

Even through countdown exotic caches I’ve been getting a lot of armored pieces

[shell crystal]

Is the striker build in the doc updated? I heard overdogs were better or am i wrong

[cerulean smelt]

probably if you know the tier structure

[hexed steppe]

overdogs will see a 5-6mil increase in top end hotshot damage when the targets proc the buff.. at least thats what i was seeing when i was testing

overdogs are like adding perfect glass on top of whatever youre using

[hexed steppe]

it needs to be updated.

[magic pilot]

Headhunter inclusive buff

[solar sable]

HH EB ftw

[magic pilot]

Overdogs is listed as an option I believe but I wouldn't change the build pic

[hexed steppe]

listed in which build? i dont see it in strikers, but still see pristine example

definitely needs an update

[subtle bluff]

I know. I know.

[onyx sage]

how i walk

[subtle bluff]

The only reason I haven't updated the striker overview one because the tool hasn't been update yet.

[kind epoch]

im grinding CD for it right now

[kind epoch]

i can only get overdogs from loot right?

[tulip charm]

Exotic caches and glove TL

[kind epoch]

sigh this will take a while. i've gotten rugged gauntlet twice

[solar sable]

want some help?

[cerulean smelt]

depending how many times you've ran CD probably could've gotten the blueprint and the materials to craft it via Retaliation 🤔

[kind epoch]

the past probably hour-hour and a half

[kind epoch]

yes plz but how?

[kind epoch]

wait how do you get the bP for it?

[cerulean smelt]

doomz joins you and you both run cd with gloves targeted loot. and spend your points on exotic caches

[kind epoch]

assuming i dont glitch/lag out and gotta force quit 😂

[solar sable]

I'm bored, i've been playing sons of the forest with my buddies for 12 hours straight lol

[cerulean smelt]

no clue, just look at the crafting table => exotics and it'll show which faction drops the blueprint

[kind epoch]

request sent

[cerulean smelt]

it's a shame i'm just bored of div 2 lately. can't even find the motivation to play it atm

[smoky latch]

Due to the season "mechanic"?

[solar sable]

welp, it happens, I got burnt out on xbox before so yeah I feel u

[kind epoch]

do we both have to set TL to gloves the first time then just forget?

[solar sable]

yes

[cerulean smelt]

however many people you can get to help you in that aspect. that's the gist of it

[kind epoch]

got it

yeah i had to set it just now but i've been 'setting it' before every run

if that's how CD mechanic works

[solar sable]

no need to reset it, just one time and forget

[cerulean smelt]

only need to set it once. that tl is set for summit and retaliations too

but if you log off and back on i think you have to set it again

[modest stump]

can anyone recommend me which i use for LMG pestilence build i have Fox's prayer or turmoil for Kneecap and Drop leg Holster or Salvo for holster ?

[subtle bluff]

There's a guide in the Build Hub.

[hexed steppe]

honestly, i just ground the blueprint pretty fast from hyena retaliations. then crafted a set for each alt. was a lot faster than target loot

[kind epoch]

have to do it on heroic though. im not good enough for heroic retal

thanks @solar sable !

[solar sable]

I think you can give it a try with hotshot
happy to help

[hexed steppe]

just group up for it. i did duos with a buddy that was farming it also, like 3 runs had the blueprint for both and it was justa few more runs for the mats needed

granted, i had a single set and needed for alts. if you only use 1 agent then tl farming probably ok

[kind epoch]

nope. died on heroic

[mystic carbon]

Hey guys, Iam lvl 200, looking for a strong DPS build for PVE, are there any guides for it or any sheets I can refer to?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Gearsheet > Build Hub
Farm Guide

[mystic carbon]

Guys for backfire, how do i not let bleed apply to me when reloading

[smoky latch]

Blue attributes are HazPro, companion is turned off.
~95% and you don't get the bleed animation

There are several ways to get to ~100% HazPro; best is to use seasonal modifiers.
Just an example of a build

[solar sable]

ew hazpro

[subtle bluff]

Get to 100 stacks or
Apply 3 bleeds to yourself quickly and you'll go immune for a short bit.

[subtle bluff]

You have to remember his SHD so he'll needs more.

[smoky latch]

True that

[solar sable]

after you become immune for that short time, you should already be able to stack backfire

[subtle bluff]

There's no reason you need to use right now

BF is worse to use for you because of your SHD stats.

[mystic carbon]

is the weapon any good? whats the best smg to use or stick or ARs?

[solar sable]

backfire is indeed fire for close combat
best is subjective

[smoky latch]

There are a few good SMGs but depends on build and playstyle

[onyx sage]

you're asking too many questions for now. just make the build you were given to start off for now and get a feel. you'll answer most of your own questions this way

you'd be able to understand how SMGs feel compared to ARs, when backfire is used, when ARs are used, etc.

not everything can be simply answered in a few words here, frankly because no one has the time for that

[mystic carbon]

which are?

[subtle bluff]

I've already pointed to you to a guide that'll help you.

[subtle bluff]

Plz he's low SHD. He just needs to play doesn't need specifics yet.

[mystic carbon]

i dont rly know where to look at tbh

[subtle bluff]

My first reply to you...

[onyx sage]

_ _

[smoky latch]

Honestly I didn't see his first post, just his second

[subtle bluff]

Are you on desktop or a phone?

[subtle bluff]

You're good. Now you know the context. 😄

[smoky latch]

Ya. Might be bedtime for me, it's a sign lol

[kind epoch]

Is this the correct loadout now?

[subtle bluff]

Actually other than 1886 it's good.

[true oak]

hello guys is this build good for a new player ?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say it's lacking the crit chance needed to benefit Equalizer

[true oak]

okay how can i make it better ?

[cerulean smelt]

pinned sheets heres has a build

[solar sable]

ceska vest with Oblit, then as you make your way to 55-58% CHC swap to Equalizer imo

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say ditch the overdogs gloves and put ceska there honestly

[solar sable]

you also want to optimize your build so that you squeeze CHC/CHD as much as you want

[kind epoch]

what replaces the 1886?

[subtle bluff]

Shroud, Nemesis, BH, shotguns..

[kind epoch]

what's BH?

[subtle bluff]

Of nothing it's just Elmo for a weapon with killer and you don't need a ACS12 for your 2nd.

[solar sable]

da little horn
Bighorn*

[subtle bluff]

Bighorn.

[subtle bluff]

I have one still.

[solar sable]

no way

[subtle bluff]

Can't get on to show but yaaaa

[solar sable]

oh yeah I remember rip

[alpine spear]

100-stack Elmo Striker build. I'm looking for feedback.

[strong cave]

Ditch coyote and run overdogs

[kind epoch]

Out of curiosity, is the m700c supposed to have the range of the 1886? Or what’s the use case scenario for it long range?

[strong cave]

What's the optimal range of the 1886?

[kind epoch]

Well damage drop off is 193yds for both but the 1886 can reach way further than the 700. If I’m gonna use the ambulance from outside the safe house by sleeping giant, I can tag people from the other side of the CP but with the 700, from the outside border to the top floor of CP at best which is surprisingly short

[shy bone]

Would this be good for my LMG gunner:
Tipping scales chest, back, holster, knees for 4 piece bonus and 30% LMG dmg.
Overdogs exotic gloves.
Petrov mask for 10% LMG dmg.
Weapon Bluescreen (would like to keep it - it’s fun).

Gun turret and hive for healing.

[strong cave]

Don't use tipping chest. Just stick to Ceska obliterate and ODogs

[strong cave]

I never knew the M700C had the same damage range as the 1886. Could be their code is based off just the 1886, which is why both guns are near identical even if they aren't the same weapon type. I personally use the Custom M44. Not the normal M44 with the wooden finish, the more modern one

[shy bone]

Alright! How do I best get the 4p from TS then?

[strong cave]

Mask, backpack, holster, kneepads. Chest slot is Ceska Oblit and gloves is ODogs

[shy bone]

My man

[subtle bluff]

1886 is a rifle and m700 is an MMR.

[kind epoch]

but then wouldn't that technically make the m700 put down more damage vs the 1886... instead it's the opposite way around for me

[subtle bluff]

If you're build is 3pcs Hotshot Overdogs this is what you should get. This is with 10 exp on each weapon.

[onyx sage]

just call it hotdogs.....

[honest moss]

Sizzling glizzies build

I need to know more meme names for builds. Hotdogs is great

[astral kraken]

overshot

[worn imp]

Is there such a thing as unorthodox synergy builds like skill focused gear sets but running mostly red cores? lol

[kind epoch]

Mmm I’ll have to check but I don’t think I’m anywhere near that with the m700

[keen raptor]

Guys...can someone indicate me a tanky build for farming solo ?

[hexed steppe]

I see around 28-30mil with m700 carbon on traditional 4pc hotshot.

34-36mil on hotdogs with the right tier being targetted.

This is with 25(ish) expertise one the m700

[worn imp]

"hotdogs" lol

what is that, hotshot + overdogs?

[hexed steppe]

Yes. 3pc hotshot, dogs, chainkiller, airaldi vigilance.

Credit to @onyx sage , they were the first I saw calling it hotdogs 🌭

🐐

[hazy steeple]

It's not really snappy enough for shorthand.
It's no "cheska".

[worn imp]

interesting... but doesnt it make it even make for more of a brainfreak trying to remember who to target if ur also running Shroud?

[hexed steppe]

You can hit some pretty high damage with both but its kinda funky and you need to bounce back and forth on high/low tiers, otherwise damage is lower overall iir. With dogs only it was more consistent but not hitting the higher damages. But 36 mil is kinda high anyways

[onyx sage]

you don't really think about who to shoot tbh. just think of it as a bonus. you already can one-shot without it. the bonus with shroud is chungas are always tier 1 so their helmets crack easier

[hexed steppe]

#td2-build-advice message

[onyx sage]

if anything, on a hotshot build you should already be training yourself to prioritize targets already, overdogs actually lessens the requirement because you can one-shot an elite with no stack in solo even

[late barn]

what are some good DPS AR talents i can use that aren't killer

[onyx sage]

measured, strained

[late barn]

thank you#

[meager fog]

Measured is slept on by alot of people because they read the first half but not the second half properly.

You lose Weapon damage on the first half of the magazine, but gain TOTAL weapon damage for the second half.

It's actually a big DPS buff.

[hexed steppe]

I prefer measured, more consistent overall regardless of group/solo

[onyx sage]

the most contentious thing about it is the rof change

[meager fog]

It's quite jarring when you first start using it, ngl

[onyx sage]

I've yet to convince toastey to use it

[meager fog]

A few hours after starting honestly I don't think i'll go back to killer. With Equaliser it's alot of fun

I don't like that strained resets on reload. Should be lost stacks per time, shorter reload = better up time

[worn imp]

How does group scaling actually work in Div2?

like, what are the numbers

[solar sable]

I will save it as Average Hotdogs

[subtle bluff]

It's in the build hub some where.

[kind epoch]

im at 1.12m dmg

i figured out i wasn't targeting. i swapped it onto my nego build and took down a cp3 quicker than i did with coyote's but the issue is i can't differentiate the tiers 😂

[hexed steppe]

If it has a specific icon instead of chevron its higher tier. Named/warhounds will be part of the highest tier. I think there was a ranking image floating around recently

[kind epoch]

can we share links in here?

[hexed steppe]

depends on the link/source tbh. nothing that can be construed as self promotion, nothing questionable

[kind epoch]

it's some image i found for the ranking system off reddit lol https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fcheat-sheet-for-overdogs-v0-4yeqz2e1h75g1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1024%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2b42244d59291952924fbeebd08bcc26b127ec53

[meager fog]

Why is it done on tbe Phasmophobia white board 😂

[hexed steppe]

if you use snipping tool you can paste the image directly without the need to link

[onyx sage]

it looks AI generated lmao

someone doing a poor job copying from my friend's infographic

[kind epoch]

it doesn't really help much. i just see a red logo beside the health bar that kinda tells me who's harder to kill

[onyx sage]

the icons above are complete hogwash

[hexed steppe]

yeah i think it was ai generated

[onyx sage]

it's also just plain wrong 💀

[hexed steppe]

better source available? feel free to post

[onyx sage]

you probably already saw it

[hexed steppe]

i havent, tbh

[onyx sage]

by @buoyant perch nerd

[kind epoch]

wow there's that many? 😅

[onyx sage]

don't be bogged down by it, you just need to remember the guys on tier 1 and 2

tier 3 is anything (with an icon) that isn't either tier 1 or 2

[subtle bluff]

I just shoot stuff.

[meager fog]

Buff is a bonus, it's a big DPS buff even without targetting tbh

[subtle bluff]

Makes up pretty quick. I just know rusher aren't that scary anymore.

[meager fog]

Shoot whatever enemies you want.....if you see bigger numbers..mazel tov you found the target.

If you don't, maybe you get the next one lol

[onyx sage]

a lazy thing they could do is reuse the world tier 1, 2, 3 icons on the enemies lol

did you know that only the guys in the AOE section of the shooting range are tier 3???

[meager fog]

Even lazier, just have an "Overdogs marker" that automatically tracks the lowest tiers of enemies currently engaged

But that would make them ridiculously overpowered imo lol. The clear draw back they have is that they're only amazing if you can remember the tiers

[kind epoch]

literally what i did testing it with nego

[meager fog]

With Nego you can do it randomly, but always mark the Chunga or tier 3 and keep them marked. THe amp ignores Overdogs restrictions when used with Nego

[onyx sage]

eh i don't think it's a worthy thing to not implement. it doesn't really benefit high skill players at all while massively benefitting players learning to use it

its not overpowered simply because more people can use it

the amp is literally the same value

[hexed steppe]

more correctly: transfer is conditioned on the target, not the mark. but similar

[onyx sage]

to be clear tho, if you mark tier 3s and shoot a tier 1 enemy for example, overdogs wouldn't activate

as local said, it's conditioned on the target

[meager fog]

Yes, you mark the tier 1 and shoot the lowest tier when possible for the AMP to transfer to the tier 1

[onyx sage]

it's worth talking about because most of the time it's more beneficial to use the chunga to kill the other enemies, which wouldn't be synergistic with overdogs

just cuz the chunga is an easier to shoot target while other targets are either more elusive, or make more sense to receive the spread damage than the bullet damage (like dogs, immune enemies)

[dreamy valve]

Im carrying Shroud with my Carbon

thanks Average

[onyx sage]

i need to get shroud to expertise 30. i see its power now

underrated chunga cracker

[dreamy valve]

I dropped my Nemesis for the harder targets

[kind epoch]

is that how amp works or how overdog works?

[meager fog]

That's overdogs interaction with Negotiators Dilemma.

Overdogs applies the amp to the target you're shooting at, Negotiators Dilemma transfers critical hit damage to another marked target.

If the marked target is Tier 1, and the enemy you're shooting is tier 3, then the amp will apply to the transferred damage AND to the target you're shooting.

If you're wearing Negotiators Dilemma backpack (which you should be) then the marked targets will take 12% MORE damage than the target you shoot at

[subtle bluff]

And Blacklister is everything!

[kind epoch]

so overdog's concept is mark higher tier first then go for the lower tier? or is that only mixed with nego?

[meager fog]

That's only for Nego.

[onyx sage]

marking is a nego only thing

[kind epoch]

i noticed the m700C is only lethal with hs and overdogs if determined is active. i just got a few kills where it would've missed with determined inactive but unfortunately for me for some reason the m700c really only comes in clutch in cqb to mid range. 1886 is still longer range (i have no other weapon types if i use overdogs)

[meager fog]

Did yhou just say that 1886 is longer range than M700?

lmao...huh?

1886 is basically a shotgun....what are you talking aboot?

[kind epoch]

yeah i have more range with the 1886 when determined is inactive...idk why

even when my crosshair is on the enemy from a far distance, if it's not a headshot, im barely making a dent with the m700c

[meager fog]

Once determined is active...all hits are automatic headshots, as long as you keep killing

That's LITERALLY what you use it for

[kind epoch]

Yeah I get headshots easier long range 😂 it’s cqb to midrange that’s the issue LOOOL but do non headshot hits deactivate determined? That happens to me a lot

[patent fossil]

Only shots that don't kill the enemy will deactivate determined, whether or not they're headshots.

[kind epoch]

No wonder

[subtle bluff]

Okies! Guys. I need help with opinions!

https://staging.buildstation.app/td2/build-guides/future-initiative-healer-shinmentakezo

How does this look for a guide page?

[harsh orbit]

Very nice guide. Good job. Can I be picky? Run a Grammar check on it . Otherwise, well done.

[subtle bluff]

Plz but that's a difference story on myself.

This was my first guide. But it's fairly old.

[harsh orbit]

It's very good. Nice to see FI being used.

I'd maybe mention the stats to go for, Recs/Blues/Yellows etc and on which pieces.

[cerulean smelt]

isn't this the cores and stats?
Cores:
Technician:
5 Skill Tiers (+1 Technician) | 1 Blue Armor
Survivalist:
6 Skill Tier (need to change The Setup to a Skill Tier)
Attributes & Gear Mods:
210 Repair Skill, then rest into Skill Haste
210 Repair Skill will output Per Hive Charge 380k repair / Per Chem is 1.2 mill repair + 254k HOT
At max SHD, watch armor is around 770k. So this is just a sweet spot for numbers.
(Pretty much everything into Repair, other than 2 slots into Skill Haste)

[frozen hull]

Love this looks good and easy to understand

[subtle bluff]

Awesome! The layout pretty good?

https://staging.buildstation.app/td2/build-guides

There's another guide. To take a look at it overall!

[cerulean smelt]

2 of them are blank with information it's perrfect 😹 j/k but looks good

takes some serious investment to put those up i imagine?

[kind epoch]

Looks kinda retro. I like it

[subtle bluff]

It's been a project for the only dev that's working on it.

[kind epoch]

Wait if I don’t like using shotguns and if I’m already using overdogs, what weapon should I farm for? BH is a pipe dream for me, and idk what shroud is

[subtle bluff]

It's really whatever.

[worn imp]

for non named items, if you had to choose between a 1 piece UA or Sokolov, which should I choose. Its for an SMG build and backpack is the item in question. Already got a ceska chest with intimidate on

[tidal swan]

what's the rest of the build like?

[worn imp]

please.

i dont always have the energy to provide context and be spending time typing a bunch. I just gave the minimum needed info for the dilemma. Which brand should i use

but if u wanna know

[cerulean smelt]

without the context of the full build, it's hard to give good advice in general aside the pieces you're asking about. we can say sokolov because you said SMG but it could be a bad idea in general

[worn imp]

is this because of how adding onto existing multipliers might give diminishing benefits?

heres crit chance

[tidal swan]

well... I'm not sure which one will come on top in terms of burst dps... but I would choose sokolov just because of higher mag dmg in this case. Someone with math knowledge can probably help more with numbers.

[onyx sage]

it's not an unreasonable ask, especially since the other brands/gear sets you have will affect the final answer. help us help you

for this case, UA is better since you have a decent bit of weapon damage already

if you had striker instead of HF, then it would've been sokolov instead. see how it affects the answer?

[tidal swan]

ngl I fully forgot that HF gives smg dmg as set bonus.

[frozen hull]

And shotgun I believe

[cerulean smelt]

or even if you did a Nego build, we could've told you go nego backpack and salvo holster

[tidal swan]

yes

[worn imp]

Im actually not sure which one of these 2 setups would deal the most DPS with all damage talents procced and maxed out...

[onyx sage]

well memento will be a bit more

[cerulean smelt]

well, the ad rush/intimidate builds up slowly now

[worn imp]

wait one detail i forgot... the high end version (matador build) is supposed to have a red core on HF mask

[onyx sage]

the ad rush is easier to keep up since it's not reliant on picking up trophies to keep up bonus armor to proc intim

each has pros and cons

[worn imp]

so imagine the right build here has a red core on the hunters mask

[onyx sage]

answer is the same taking that into account too simply because memento gives more awd

[cerulean smelt]

i'd personaly go Obliterate and memento, but that's just me

or for fun, don the backpack, obliterate chest and salvo holster

[worn imp]

only running intimidate because of the disorient CC of hunters. it prevents enemies from shooting too much. the shield helps hugely too

[onyx sage]

wait what? intimidate doesn't help with CC

[worn imp]

"because of the disorient CC of hunters" ^

[cerulean smelt]

intimidate gives bonus weapon damage if you have bonus armor

[onyx sage]

hunters disorient you?

[worn imp]

the enemies xD

[onyx sage]

oh you mean HF

[smoky latch]

I think he means he wants to combine the chest talent with the gear set talent

[cerulean smelt]

well, hunter's fury doesn't give bonus armor so it can't be that

[onyx sage]

that still doesn't make sense, intimidate and HF has nothing to do with each other

[gentle lichen]

Intim plays well into hf's kit

[worn imp]

not really

[smoky latch]

Then Idk what you mean lol

[onyx sage]

yeah i'm just gonna leave it at that but yeah intim and HF work together nicely

intim's damage amp is pretty strong, works well within HF's playstyle

[worn imp]

the only correlation i made between it was that HF's disorient status effect is great for keeping intimidate active since enemies who are disoriented cant shoot u and remove ur bonus armor -> intimidate can easily stay procced

this is THE gist

[cerulean smelt]

not sure how you get more damage with just the Hunter's fury talent between these two....

only within a certain range

[onyx sage]

intimidate also works well with striker as well but to a lesser extent too but yeah i got what you're saying now

[worn imp]

no one is using the HF backpack or even suggesting it .... 😭

[onyx sage]

because HF relies on your initial burst damage so much that losing a large source of such, like a backpack talent, is too much

oh nvm you were addressing lostsoul

[worn imp]

basically here are the options im considering... 2 blue core with memento here... or just run matador and 0 blue cores.... Which will result in highest possible DPS when all talents are procced (including initial memento pickup buff)

[cerulean smelt]

i would've but looked at the sheet and was like oh it's not the set i was thinking where the backpack added more damage, was the nego backpack i was thinking of so i didn't suggest it

[onyx sage]

you can run 0 blues if you want, it's just preference, more blues will obviously help with bonus armor and shield tier

[worn imp]

For memento id want at least 2 so the pickups result in 20% bonus armor per kill

[cerulean smelt]

if you want a t4 shield, swapt o technician

[gentle lichen]

2 blue cores intim gives lots of damage

[worn imp]

so does memento tho...

[onyx sage]

intim is basically a 42% amp so it doesn't matter how much reds or blues you have

[worn imp]

well more is more, man

[worn imp]

yeah i guess

[gentle lichen]

Up to you

[onyx sage]

@buoyant perch go to sleep

[gentle lichen]

What happened to bro's account that one time

[onyx sage]

bro got cooked

[worn imp]

anyone who knows which option i mention has higher damage?

[cerulean smelt]

@onyx sage which talent between the intimidate and ad rush got nerfed where the stacks comes slower or something like that?

[gentle lichen]

Pretty sure intim was buffed

And ad rush perfect talent got nerfed in pvp

[onyx sage]

intimidate, it was both a buff and nerf

• before resolve: 35% amp instantly as soon as you got bonus armor
• after resolve: 42% amp but takes 3 seconds after you get bonus armor

[gentle lichen]

Huh? Wasn't that way way back?

It had a phase where it stacked once per second and it was before resolve

[onyx sage]

it probably was before resolve but i'm skipping the things in between because no one used intimidate then

no one wants to talk about 10 second intimidate 💀

[gentle lichen]

Chem holding pistol was still big and only got busted when intim was buffed

Then emerged intim chatter striker and intim shotgun...

[cerulean smelt]

i'm curious. salvo and chatter combo? 🤔

[gentle lichen]

Barely anything noticeable

[onyx sage]

bad since chatter gives you 100% rof already, 10% is so small from salvo

[cerulean smelt]

even initial 10% increase before reloading with a lot around you?

[onyx sage]

well you gotta think of it like weapon damage right, rof is a bucket just like weapon damage, you get so much from chatter that salvo's contribution is so little when it's active

sure when chatter isn't active salvo's contribution will have more value but if you assume chatter won't be active so much, just use another weapon

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 what if we built for mag size for chatter? you know 3 piece ua and would the next best 3 piece be arcabuz?

is 100% the highest you can go with it regardlessly? it shows 5 stacks and each stack gives 25%?

[worn imp]

Why would u do that lmfao brazos is not good, man. the only exception has to be like frenzy memes with lmgs and stuff right?

[cerulean smelt]

well, 100% mag size on chatter could be funnish? it's honestly better than going something like 3 true patriot, 2 Unit alloy + ninja backpack

[worn imp]

honestly if it would actually work somehow i would also love to massage in mag size in a build, but its just not worth it man... The only instance where i feel like it is is gonna be eagle's grasp gloves

[cerulean smelt]

those gloves doesnt' give mag size though

the brand does, but like i said, could be a fun build to have 100% mag size on chatter

[worn imp]

Hol up how is it 42%?

[onyx sage]

it's 1.04^9

[worn imp]

ah

[onyx sage]

because spaghetti code

[worn imp]

i thought every increase was addative to the general intimidate amp

i dont have the exact mathematical terminology in english but u know what i mean xD

[worn imp]

okay thats honestly huge, makes for a far greater reason to use intimidate than i initially thought

[onyx sage]

it's why i've been sneaking that number in...

[worn imp]

yah

[onyx sage]

but yeah you would say "it's not additive to itself, but exponential"

[worn imp]

i noticed all this time but thought u just misremembered lul

[cerulean smelt]

but you gotta keep your bonus armor for 3 seconds to get that damage right?

[onyx sage]

yeah as i wrote

[worn imp]

if im running a ceska BP with adrenaline rush.... should I try to get an all red hunter killer or just run a Unit alloys.... hmmmm

[onyx sage]

either grupo or UA

[worn imp]

grupo rather than sokolov?? uggghhh this game sometimes ....

[cerulean smelt]

but yeah, just thinking 120 mag on the chatter at 125% rof could be fun 😹

[onyx sage]

perfect intim is literally just 4% more (cuz 1.04^10 / 1.04^9 = 1.04)

oh yeah maybe not grupo cuz you're running smg

[worn imp]

no

[onyx sage]

... take 1.04^10 and divide by 1.04^9

[worn imp]

wait did i misread the description of Hunter killer....

[onyx sage]

exponentiation rules

why is math so hard guys

[worn imp]

11 pm dawg, brain aint really there rn ngl

[onyx sage]

but yeah you are literally multiplying 1.04^9 by another 1.04 to get 1.04^10

[worn imp]

but like....

[onyx sage]

so it is the most obvious 4% increase

UA 1p is 5% increase in burst

[worn imp]

... the only difference is perfect intimidate adding one more factor of 1.04. The intimidate total multiplier becomes approx. 1.48 instead of 1.42

[onyx sage]

yes

[worn imp]

thats .06 higher. 6 percent, not 4

[onyx sage]

do you know how increases are measured?

you divide, not subtract lmao

[worn imp]

i know what you are talking about, no doubt

[onyx sage]

so why are you typing that lol

if you were dealing 3 damage instead of 2, the enemy dies 50% faster. would you say the increase is 50% or 1?

if it's late then just go to sleep so you don't get confused further lol

[worn imp]

ahh right percentage points as opposed to relative percent or whatever it is in english!!!

[onyx sage]

percentage point is a different thing

weapon damage is percentage point for example

but we are talking about relative increase yes

[worn imp]

It kinda feels like a bit too much of a hassle to figure out which setup will give more damage at the end of the day with all talents procced... (on the left build im supposed to be running firewall with striker shield). Any mathheads here keen to help out? xD

[onyx sage]

as i said, assuming both are running firewall and the only change being matador <-> memento the memento one will do higher, again as you asked in the beginning assuming all talents procced

[cerulean smelt]

keeping 30 stacks of memento is a bit easier too. collect 1 trophy every 4:59 minutes at least from what was explained to me anyways

[onyx sage]

the 10 second short term buff will also give 30% more awd too but yeah he asked if all talents procced

even without the short term buff the long term one is already carrying

however you don't get bonus armor outside of the short term buff

[kind epoch]

i read that as AWD. f*** me 😂

[astral kraken]

Intimidate with memento and all red cores? why.gif

[solar sable]

@hexed steppe

[gentle lichen]

Zip bombs in #td2-build-advice i have seen it all

[hexed steppe]

Nothing to see here

[celest rose]

Does Closer's perfect spotter proc off disrupter pulse

[worn imp]

Yeah but you may not notice that the right build has an armor core. Thats why im asking.

[onyx sage]

i noticed cuz you said it 5 billion times above

i have a lot more attention to detail than you let on lol

[onyx sage]

no, cuz it does not inflict pulse, only disrupt

[celest rose]

hrm guess i need to change out the chest for my striker chamelon thingy, but to what is the question

[worn imp]

This is just making sure. I dont know how many channels you simultaneously may be typing in since you are an active regular on this server, so Im simply reminding you in case you didnt see a previous message. That is all, man. Im not assuming you lack attention to detail, trust me.

[onyx sage]

i appreciate you trying to help, but you have been emphasizing details that i did already acknowledge. my strong memory got me here, so don't worry about that

[subtle bluff]

Show the build

[silent storm]

How do you gain Bonus Armor in the second set?

[hexed steppe]

memento

[silent storm]

But you have to kill to get it

So, why?

[worn imp]

memento

[hexed steppe]

its a solid source regardless, and gives a lot of extras

[worn imp]

2 reasons: 1: u can tank significantly more as shield gets 3 more skill tiers, 2: memento just has so much good stuff going for it as an exotic

[silent storm]

It's like using Bloodsucker with Intimidate. not very good because what if you can't get to the drops

[hexed steppe]

bloodsucker is on kill

[silent storm]

So is Momento

Momento is even more because you have to pick up drops from kill

[hexed steppe]

argument is kinda flawed... hf is cqb and there is a good chance youll pick up the trophy without even thinking about it

[worn imp]

its twice as good as bloodsucker: 20% on pickup with 2 armor cores

[hexed steppe]

well, bloodsucker can get full buff with each kill after stacked

but thats all it offers

[silent storm]

Maybe, you need to get close and kill without buffs first. While with Matador just getting close starts the buff cycle

[hexed steppe]

thats fine, but again, its all it offers. memento youll get 30-60% wd buff on top of all the skill efficiency

skill efficiency that scales things like shield health

[silent storm]

Yeah that is nice

[hexed steppe]

its just one of those things you kinda work around if you want that fuller benefit. ad rush would be my choice if i just wanted to proc intimidate

[hexed steppe]

personally if i was using a shield it would be with memento and tech. +artificer

[subtle bluff]

Naturally just pick them up.. it is not focus to go pick them up.

How I am doing high amount of DPS at a points is because of Memento/Intimidate.

And doesn’t have a TS or Striker stacking time to worry about it’s much quicker to get to peak DPS.

[silent storm]

Maybe I'll put Memento on this.

CHD took a mighty slap

[hexed steppe]

adding 3-5 wd cores will help make that back

correction, adding 2-4 wd cores, your bag had a wd core already

[silent storm]

? I have all weapon cores

[hexed steppe]

long buff and short buff represent 2-4 cores

[onyx sage]

he meant memento does the equivalent of adding 2-4 red cores

[silent storm]

Oh yeah

[hexed steppe]

30% each

[worn imp]

Guys im running HF intimidate with memento and i low key think it kinda sucks in retrospect.... Basically mainly because HF already has you running all around the city just to get in range for the CQB amp to proc, and adding the tickets to pick up just makes your attention more split and serves to create valuable wasted time

the time spent having bonus armor is not at all consistent enough, not even with 2 armor cores

[silent storm]

This is why I ran it with Matador. Because nothing to collect and as soon as I rushed mobs I was at bonus armor

[hexed steppe]

dont think bout the trophy, if you are playing hf proper youll pickup the trophy anyways

[worn imp]

problem is mfgs spread out too fast and then you gotta run to the side to pick the shit up

[hexed steppe]

after stacked, you only need 1 every 5 minutes to maintain the long buff

[hexed steppe]

youre within range of them anyways if you are utilizing intimidate/hf

[worn imp]

everything about memento for this build is great except for the fatal flaw of the downtime oftentimes being too long for having bonus armor

[hexed steppe]

if you arent within range, memento trophy are least of your problem

[worn imp]

maybe its because i tested it in summit lmao

[silent storm]

It is a great Summit kit

[hexed steppe]

well, you will run into bonus armor downtime with any setup, least down time is adrush obv

you could utilize oblit and not have to worry so much about the bonus armor aspect

[worn imp]

not when you are in big rooms and dudes spawn across a big room and u gotta run up in their face for 10 seconds to be able to do any meaningful dmg

[late barn]

is the strega any good or is it outclassed

[worn imp]

I could.... but its like, running intimidate allows you to get more tanking ability with because u are going for bonus armor, so it gets you more potential damage and also giving u better survivability with the bonus armor....

[hexed steppe]

if you are running into downtime and having to restack it because of distance its not working for that content tho

[worn imp]

yeah like i know intuitively that it would be almost bad for tidal basin up until the last area

cause it has such a wide mission areas a lot of the time

[hexed steppe]

its good having a few different setups for hot swapping. summit i would just use a typical ar/lmg crit build, or hh

mortar is surprisingly good in summit if you can figure out the low ceilings

[worn imp]

yeah... its just that i like being able to lean into one thing at a time and not schizo hotswapping for whatever is best for the content (unless we're talking leggo)

[worn imp]

oh tell me about it, i love using mortar in summit

[silent storm]

Memento is ok, it is a bunch of downtime though between bonus armor in a 4 player squad. Camp White Oak was the mission I did and just by moving fast through it you are basically having to reset every encounter. I feel it would be superior solo so I am not going to dismiss it. But not having that initial buff going into a new encounter severely hampers DPS output.

[silent storm]

Strega is outclassed by a lot of guns, but if you build to magazine size it gets better. I feel it is the Dark Winter of ARs.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, all factors to take into acount when deciding what to roll with. I personally dont like most setups that require you to micromanage a bunch of factors like hf or hb. Give me nego glass and stuff just dies regardless of conditions

I always found memento pretty easy to use without really thinking about it tho

[silent storm]

CHC doesn't matter at all on a HSD build right?

I ask because I got this one and wondering if I should trash it.

[strong cave]

It's junk sadly

[silent storm]

What about for HE Pistol build?

[strong cave]

Claws out would fit best or IA holster

Mine is punch drunk, chainkiller, claws out holster, 3 piece IA

[silent storm]

I am building like the same build for Regulas

I wasn't sold on Claws out though as I was looking at other holsters first

Dodge City was my first choice to open a fight with

Then HSD/WH for the rest of the stats with Chainkiller and this as my back

[kind epoch]

i finally farmed a white death i can use. that or the m700c?

[onyx sage]

either

[silent storm]

That's why I was asking about CHC on a HSD Pistol build because you only need like 30% Weapon Handling to get good benefit from it

[subtle bluff]

For now what feels good for you.

[silent storm]

Like with Regulus I feel like Weapon Handling won't matter so much because you can use the full shield if needed and if properly boosted enemies should be dying rather quickly

And HSD really only needs to reach the 150% to make the build work the way I picture it

[barren moss]

urban mdr is bis rifle right

[subtle bluff]

No. There is no BiS rifle for DPS due to a lot of stuff.

OD Tinkerer is the better build for DPS rifles.

[silent storm]

I need a stats breakdown of this build. Why are you using Visionario with a Rifle? UIC15 MOD2 is probably the best HE Rifle in game when using talents like Boomerang, Rifleman or Killer. MK47 could be good as well I haven't gotten one I like yet to test with. Haven't really tried either though because UIC. Urban MDR is kinda trash, I have one and tried to make it good because it was so good in Division 1. It's not, get a UIC15 MOD2 and your build is better for it.

[timid burrow]

Oh wow, so much incorrect stuff here.

UIC15 BiS? Wow, maybe if you're using cheats to offset that horrible fire pattern. But nah, far from BiS.

Visionario....because they want to fight from long range? What even is this question?

And Urban MDR being trash....well that's just hyperbole. It's an odd choice in D2, but maybe they like it?

[subtle bluff]

He never said BiS "Better"
Till that guy responded I didn't add for a reason.

Very rarely you care shooting that far away and then MDR is even worse.

Rifles by all means aren't great. They are usable and fun for some.

[timid burrow]

We really need a community shift from spreadsheet players / YouTube sycophants desperate for views, and focus more on the excellent tuning the dev's do to enable better build diversity than most games

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot rowdy said that's very much a speculation than fact.

But every game that has builds and numbers involved have spreadsheets.

[timid burrow]

It's always, always bad math.

[subtle bluff]

YouTubers for div2 are more content creators than actual anything else.

[subtle bluff]

Bad math?

[hexed steppe]

maths bad

anyways

[timid burrow]

They calculate from the gun range, almost always. And typically tell us to ignore the post mission report because "it's bugged"

[hexed steppe]

youre new to this community

[subtle bluff]

Then on this last section it should also be noted that both Dev and "community" have a lot of issues here.

[hexed steppe]

stick around and learn

[timid burrow]

1 hour in the discord, 5000ish hours in the franchise

[subtle bluff]

Also the fact the dev team leftover is small.

[subtle bluff]

We don't actually calculate anything from the range. We know it has a few bugs.

[hexed steppe]

doesnt mean a lot. have you inspected builds from high and low shd players

they about the same most of the itme

[timid burrow]

Have you seen my profile or my commendations score?

[hexed steppe]

thats irrelevant to whats being discussed

[timid burrow]

Oooof, nice one. Nice to meet ya btw

[hexed steppe]

same. but its not bis action to come in and immediately dismiss a community you know nothing about

so stick around

[timid burrow]

Never claimed to be BiS, just pushing back against disinformation

I'll keep coming, too. Just so I can see ya

[hexed steppe]

im not against pushback

[timid burrow]

I out-dps most players using my Merciless build, mostly just to spite them

And my Heal Trap build saves people from breaking keyboard

[astral kraken]

Have you seen MY commendation score?

[timid burrow]

Anyway, happy new year, back to grinding Countdown 😄

[hexed steppe]

tells me a lot

[astral kraken]

My commendation score and beat up your commendation score.

I have commendations for my commendations

[timid burrow]

Looked it up, didn't show up on any record base

[hexed steppe]

but yeah, hope all have had a good holiday

[astral kraken]

love you too deck

[subtle bluff]

If you’re knowledgeable explain why a Resto Chem can do 50mill dmg.

[astral kraken]

@timid burrow There are certainly many places in this community with bad information (YT being one of them) but there are also great places for information if you just look for it. We routinely have to fight off bad information here. Sometimes it's by people who just want to rage bait, sometimes it's people just being stubborn, and sometimes people just don't "get it".

[subtle bluff]

My life here…

[astral kraken]

Even YT isn't all bad. iKia posts on YT all of the time and he's incredibly rigorous.

And then Raucey's whole YT channel should be a required watch for new players IMO.

[timid burrow]

🥱

I'll be back later, one way or another

[astral kraken]

I wonder what you put in there

People are making visual guides, building websites, and whole text documents describing the mechanics. Ignore the bad stuff, signal boost that good stuff.

[hexed steppe]

tbh, this is a solid community here that will definitely spreadsheet the hell out of builds. what we put out in out sheet has been tested and proven by the community. noone is above having their information being scrutinized. if you are about positively advancing build theory youll fit in well

[subtle bluff]

Trust we have to push have to push back a lot of that. That guy you replied to is pretty bad at doing that.

Imo my reasoning of doing guides and spreadsheets is so I don't have to repeat myself over and over again with the same information.

[timid burrow]

I should turn off notifications

Fine, I should at least explain why I POSIT that you're wrong

Every spreadsheet I've seen, ever build guide I've seen, does not consider two things:

1. The actual combat applicability

2. The player using it

I've shepherded soooo many sub shd500 players using St Elmo's and having no idea, and sometimes trashing the game, as to why they keep dying

The misinformation in this game is so, so bad. The spreadsheeters think they are providing a service, but they take no accountability for how most people play this game, which is like CoD unfortunately.

[magic pilot]

St Elmo is sub optimal so makes sense

[umbral forge]

St. Elmo's has nothing very special about it so that's why it's not needed to explain it to them

[timid burrow]

I shouldn't be able to out-dps players with Merciless based on the info we get publicly, but I do, daily

[magic pilot]

Merciless with a striker build?

[timid burrow]

No one even discussed Weapon Handling

Hell no! Strikers is for my Gunner builds

Is everyone that bad at making headshots?

[magic pilot]

You should run with chow sometime, show him how good merciless is

[timid burrow]

Idk who that is, and I'm not going to entertain that

[umbral forge]

Are you that desperate for attention that you need to trash talk Spreadsheet people?

[magic pilot]

You were just talking to him @subtle bluff

[timid burrow]

Guilty, you got me dude

[magic pilot]

"My merciless outperforms players with standard builds but I won't show it in game"

What's your opinion on Ninjabike backpack on a dps build?

[timid burrow]

You're going to disagree with whatever I say in an attempt to discredit me. You are making this too easy Agent

Gotta get back to countdown grinding

[magic pilot]

I just want to hear your stance on it, since you have strong opinions about everything else

You not answering inadvertently answers my question anyway

[timid burrow]

Ooooh, well done. You have my permission to have the last word. Go ahead

[subtle bluff]

Just curious what are grinding for in CD? And maybe give a better option of grinding for w/e you're doing in retal?

[subtle bluff]

To rowdy or this guy?

[magic pilot]

^

short term memory loss ig

[subtle bluff]

So to this is giving players a base to build on and learn the game at the same time.

We never assume someone skill. So we give numbers since those don't lie. How they play is all on them.

[magic pilot]

OD healer is standard for IH speedruns but its not in any spreadsheets

[surreal stream]

Thoughts on the TKB-408? I pulled one with max dttooc

[magic pilot]

stash weapon rn

[timid burrow]

Pair with stability and focus on body to headshots. Increased fire rate with Salvo or Strikers Set can help. But focus on center fire.

[solar sable]

Quick question, do you know what a DPS calculator is? They don't use the range to share the DPS settings that shows

[astral kraken]

or just give us a solo legendary run video and teach us

[timid burrow]

It's a flaw in this game's community. Use in-game testing - a gun you can use effectively means more DPS than anything.

[solar sable]

So using Merciless effectively is going to give more DPS?

[timid burrow]

Effectively based on what?

[solar sable]

I'm asking the same question, what does effectiveness have to do with DPS?

[magic pilot]

yes.

[solar sable]

fair

[timid burrow]

A player who can use a gun effectively can deal more damage than a poor shot player using a gun ineffectively.

That was easy!

[solar sable]

Then answer me this

[timid burrow]

Go ahead, you have my permission

[subtle bluff]

So again which this statement. We're not assuming what a player's skill is.

We assume to a degree they should be able to hit a decent amount.

[timid burrow]

Therein is the failure in your logic

I don't expect you to understand that

But I'm happy you're here!

[subtle bluff]

Explain please.

[magic pilot]

so instead of a baseline to start from you want everyone to custom tailer everything on an individual basis?

[timid burrow]

Of the thousands of people playing this game, how many do you think use the spreadsheets? Truly. Your answer tells far more beyond the game, it will be an example of your understanding how normal people play games.

[magic pilot]

less than 1%

[timid burrow]

Of course I do. The devs made the game that way....

[magic pilot]

considering the majority of players are still playing hard or challenging according to the devs

[timid burrow]

Oh, sweet child

[solar sable]

Just curious, how do you want me to react to this? I'm not very familiar with this kind of stuff

[magic pilot]

please feel free to make some community resources that do that effectively

[timid burrow]

We could team up and fight over how to teach some new Agents

[solar sable]

I don't... whatever

[hazy steeple]

As this channel is called "build-advice", let's get back to giving advice about builds, and not a measuring contest.
Cheers.

[timid burrow]

Rivens! I don't suspect you remember me. Good to see ya again

Cheers y'all

[timid burrow]

Go ahead @subtle bluff

[astral kraken]

Rivens is right. Can we just keep this to build advice?

Attention received. Nothing more to say or do.

[cerulean smelt]

btw: bringohunk has been here but changed their name recently. i've had them on ignore because they do just this

[timid burrow]

I personally enjoy Hermano

[subtle bluff]

I mean just from my guides on other sites a lot Idk 1k month views and those are less viewed the than guides on the "spreadsheet." Idk why you keep going on spreadsheet vs guides.
I've taught and cleared incursion more times than anyone should have. So what you think of me is your own opinion.
I enjoy helping players. If I was not helpful than it is what it is. This as gone off-topic for too long.

[subtle bluff]

Oops I'm slowly replying dealing with awesome weather issues. I'm dropping it now.

[timid burrow]

Teacher's pet

[subtle bluff]

Plz stop doing whatever you're doing. If you want to continue whatever this is use the other channels.

Unless it's related to this channel.

[timid burrow]

There is no universe in which you are here, and I am not here. @hazy steeple go ahead, I'll be back later. 😉

[hazy steeple]

I really don't want to do this today, but continuing "this" any further after being told to drop it, will have to result in some long-term mutes.

Let's just all have a chill end of year.

[silent storm]

What "Horrible Fire Pattern"? UIC15 MOD2 is one of the easiest fire Rifles in the game and has higher base DMG than LVOA-C and LWM4.

[cerulean smelt]

you do realize the lexington is part of the LWM4 family right? or was it the LVOA-C? or both?

[silent storm]

Lexington is the LVOA-C from Div1

They call it the police M4 here in Div2

Honestly think that is why I liked the Pyromaniac so much once I got it way way back

[timid burrow]

I appreciate you capitalizing the words for me

[silent storm]

It was for emphasis

[timid burrow]

I like your pfp

[solar sable]

Rowdy, just... don't, I insist

[silent storm]

Pope Vader knows all your sins

[timid burrow]

Together, we can defeat him and rule the galaxy together

[silent storm]

I don't share power

[timid burrow]

You can be the head sith idc

[subtle bluff]

Either stay on topic or don't.

[timid burrow]

The head sith should try New Reliable for its enhanced weapon handling

Can't fire me for that one

We can also talk Overlord Armaments

[silent storm]

Why? I have a Pakhan

Tipping Scales solves the Weapon Handling problem

[timid burrow]

You said that without even knowing I love Pakhan so much I bought the stupid weapon skin. Id like to take you on a date

[silent storm]

I'm married

[timid burrow]

And you use tipping scales? Well, I'd like you to have your children now please

[silent storm]

cool

[timid burrow]

Strikers vets don't understand what tipping scales did for the game, but here you are, being sexy

[silent storm]

I am a "Strikers vet"

[timid burrow]

Most of us advanced Jedi don't know what to do with titles, I get it

[silent storm]

Do you though?

[timid burrow]

Do you want me to?

[silent storm]

UIC15 MOD2 good or not?

[timid burrow]

Good in the right hands, only

Not universal

[silent storm]

The correct answer is any hands

That gun is stupid easy

[timid burrow]

After we get married and live for 200 years, I'm gonna put on your gravestone that you were wrong

[silent storm]

cool, night all

[hazy steeple]

Okay don't bother trying to talk to them for a while.

[cerulean smelt]

reason i have them on ignore honestly can't read what they type so i can't respond to them. usually tries to invite people to Duo Legendary DUA to prove builds then resorts to name calling 😹

[fair dragon]

Honk honk

[woeful zodiac]

Any good Eagle Bearer build for this season?

As I got the EB today (honestly I was going to give up the winter grind)

[subtle bluff]

It's the standard striker build.

[woeful zodiac]

Any alternatives for the Striker (I don't have striker rn.)

I tried something like this?

[subtle bluff]

That's not good in general.

[subtle bluff]

Farm it literally is the top gearset in the game.

[tropic burrow]

How do we get the overdogs?

[meager fog]

Targetted gloves loot, or get the crafting blueprint from Hyena Retaliation completion

[tropic burrow]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

Standard Striker

[astral kraken]

i bet chow mumbles "standard striker" in his sleep

[strong cave]

I know this user got nuked already but wtf did I just scroll and read 💀

[meager fog]

I believe the kids these days call it "brain rot"

[strong cave]

I am generation z, I am no stranger to brain rot. Technically My generation revolutionized brain rot as a joke, generation alpha is actually using it to communicate. I highly doubt this user is posting for brain rot, and highly doubt they're gen alpha. To me this is just stupidity

Even if it was rage bait, it's not very good. Even if it was brain rot, it's too off-topic to even matter. To me that's just senseless yapping. I would know 😂

[worn imp]

Pummel is an amp right?

[strong cave]

Pretty sure it's part of the Weapon Damage category

[worn imp]

Yeah oof

Shoulda been an amp.

[strong cave]

thats what brazen is for

[worn imp]

I know but brazen takes 0 effort to procc

I like having to make interesting choices when making a build instead ofe being funnelled by meta (when something is so good that not using it is a significant handicap)

[strong cave]

That's in basically every game, even something as brain dead as cod

That's all this game really is, is just meta funnelling. The tested and proven builds are what's the most efficient and easiest. Variety is still a thing but you're trading efficiency for entertainment

[onyx sage]

imo the fun when making choices during buildmaking eventually just disappears, the only fun left is during execution for me

[worn imp]

I think thats more due to lack of focus on balancing changes more than that is the building inherently becoming stale sooner or later. They have so much they can do by simply creating contenders attributes to DTooC, for example, if they wanna take on an easier to manage balance change. Buff most of the other attribute options by 30-50% amounts.

[onyx sage]

i mean that eventually this thinking for me plays second fiddle to actually playing the content

like who cares if they buff reload speed to 50% you know

i care if whatever they do to the stats that i can still clear content fast or not

[worn imp]

Because it makes you think harder and weigh the options available to suit the playstyle or build you're trying to make, and it gives more viable options, therefore more replay value in this game since theres a lot more room for experimentation. Then again yeah not everyone enjoys theorycrafting and stuff but dont underestimate the size of the demographic that enjoys that stuff. Thats why at the end of the day i think for example that its a great thing that the optimal damage set is and pretty much probably always will be strikers: its a rather straightforward set thats good for people who want to get an easy-to-use efficient damage set

[onyx sage]

i don't think you understand me. so there are 2 parts to this game, the buildmaking and the actually playing the game right, I'm saying the buildmaking eventually fulfills its purpose for the playing, if the playing goes to hell because the buildmaking is good no one really cares about the many stats the buildmaking step considers

[worn imp]

I just think this game can do with some number tweaking to give the rest of the stuff a boost to make way for more build variety. The problem isnt necessarily the fact that the meta loadouts are as superior as they are, but that the vast majority of every other talent and attribute are just not worth using most of the case.

[onyx sage]

it's bound to happen because most of the content in this game is just killing stuff, you either kill stuff slower or faster

[worn imp]

This is why the very general optimal setup should be rather straightforward imo: striker with high end chest + obliderate.

[onyx sage]

if you want to change the viability of stats in a more meaningful way, you as the designer want to make them good in different situations, but right now with there being just one big situation (being just kill stuff) it's really easy to find the biggest, most loaded stat to use for each encounter

[worn imp]

Theres a lot more oppertunity for depth imo. Varying methods to go about killing things fast, each with different levels of depth to cater to different kinds of players

[onyx sage]

yeah but in each specific encounter there's either only a few or just 1 way of clearing that encounter fast

when you're speedrunning, you don't care if they clear within 5mins of each other, you care about the fastest

we're only complaining because both of us are at the top end of the playerbase. the casual playerbase isn't going to care at all about any of this

now if the designers stop making content around killing stuff, it's an easy answer to making a lot of stuff viable

[hexed steppe]

The viability of a build really just depends on the difficulty and how fast you want to clear. Plain jane turret drone is just as viable as a strong dps, granted it will take longer

[worn imp]

the percentage of the playerbase that enjoy optimal speedrunning compared the part that enjoy basic theorycrafting, is far smaller

[onyx sage]

yeah it's important to get the definitions right

viable = can clear, no matter what time taken

[worn imp]

they ought to cater to the RPG crowd more because it's significant in these kinds of games, perhaps less so Division 2 because of how shoehorned builds are currently

[hazy steeple]

viable vs optimal has been a point of contention on this server since at least when I joined.
No one is going to win that argument.

[worn imp]

Here rn in this convo it's less so an argument i feel like and more of a healthy discussion here, which i find refreshing.

[strong cave]

which is where i tend to categorize most builds in either "viable" or "efficient"

which is exactly what rivens was talking about. true patriot is fun, is it viable? sure if built right. but is it efficient? no

[onyx sage]

the one encounter i liked that they tried is the recruiter boss fight, where the timer isn't on killing the hunter fast but rather to survive him. this differentiates itself from 90% other encounters, and the raids also do this as well. put more different objective types into this game rather than just killing stuff

[worn imp]

Im just of the opinion that the gap between viable and efficient builds needs to be reduced. pretty much the gist of what im saying

[strong cave]

i mean theres plenty of viable builds that are also efficient that arent meta

[worn imp]

and im not proposing to do that through nerfs, that would just rub many the wrong way and not be productive, but rather to buff some sorely power crept stuff.

[strong cave]

this is probably my least meta build yet its viable and efficient

i also quite literally never run out of ammo. i dont even reload

youre plenty tanky enough, you do insane damage, and the shield buffs your damage and increases your suvivability too

[hazy steeple]

Defining a build as "least meta but efficient" in itself is going to take some explaining.
I think I get what you're going for with those word choices, but it is a little, how do I say this, clickbaity.

[worn imp]

sure but is there any scenario in this game except for LMGs when you wanna run anything other than DTooC? Is there any scenario where u might wanna pick weapon handling instead of crits for DPS builds? is there any scenario where for DPS you would run anything other than 2 out of the 30 something chest talents? more stuff needs to be generally considered for use imo, they need buffing that makes them more noticable .

[onyx sage]

my quickstep has swap speed

[worn imp]

xd

[onyx sage]

but i agree yeah they need more situations to use different stats

[strong cave]

the scenarios are what you plan on fighting against, which is why some people would prefer you take LLP on Hbreaker vs just gunner banshee pulse

[hazy steeple]

There were some weird builds with Ouro+fire-rate when it first dropped.

[worn imp]

true ill give ya that but then again its not like u use it in a weapon swap build or smthn

[hazy steeple]

For what it's worth; the devs are very aware of the "dtooc problem", and are working to fix it.

[strong cave]

yeah plenty were going ninja + 3 pc umbra and +2 pc striker

[hazy steeple]

No I mean good builds.

[worn imp]

i have only played Div 2 intensively for about 3/4 of a year. How long has the Dtooc problem been here lol, since the start?

[onyx sage]

since wony

[strong cave]

the TTK issues have always been an issue for as long as I can personally remember when i started to notice it

[worn imp]

I wonder how buffing ninja BP would go about....

[onyx sage]

i mean a buff to it in any form is appreciated, but maybe only for pve

[strong cave]

it wouldnt be buffed. it has no reason to be

[worn imp]

Maybe some crits? lol basic beeesh solution but idk...

[strong cave]

and what if people plan to use ninja for skills?

[worn imp]

theres like near 0 reason to use it ever afaik unless ur doing capacitator pvp shenanigans

[onyx sage]

it's really hard to think of a general buff for it that doesn't only benefit 1 build archetype

[worn imp]

why would u when memento can accomplish so much for skills

even without the 10 sec token pickup buff

[strong cave]

thats because memento is good for 3 different build archetypes while ninjabike only unlocks "bonuses" that sound good on paper but in practice mean so little

[worn imp]

bro they gotta add some amps or something to the set bonuses that arent talents maybe....

[strong cave]

amps is just as bad as the DTTOC issue is rn

youll only create worse (quicker) TTK

[hazy steeple]

The tricky thing with NBB is that it replaces something better with something that's less good overall, so a buff would have to just be "it gives you something as good as the better backpack talents", which would negate the entire point of the piece giving you a broad range of buffs.
Basically: it needs to be Memento, and there's a really good solution to it needing to be Memento.

[worn imp]

True but maybe they can lean a bit more into amps so that certain high end gear sets can become a bit more competitive?

[worn imp]

Give it crit attributes

[strong cave]

i mean, if they plan on buffing all the amplified talents, sure. on weapons I mean. ODogs and other gear doesnt need a change

[strong cave]

and now it only applies to crit builds when skill builds can benefit from ninjabike (not in pve anyways)

any other backpack talent rn would easily beat ninjabike even if it had crits

[worn imp]

Dont buff all of them lol... we dont need more killer/measured dominance

[strong cave]

the weapon talents at best back then were sub-par, they're honestly in a good spot rn. it used to just be everyone ran elmo's or ouro

thats how we ended up in this "exotic = good" mindset

[worn imp]

Yeah okay then maybe giving 8% DTOOC on top, baked in, can help offset

[strong cave]

then its not really doing its job of "allowing you to slot in on any piece as a 2nd piece", its just giving you effortless damage with extra bonuses. it will fully break PVP

[worn imp]

Well its also cuz they look shiny bling bling red 💅

[strong cave]

alot of vets here will tell you exotics are only really used for specific things. high end weapons are used for virtually everything

[worn imp]

PvP can die lol if they arent gonna make even slight balance changes for it. Its already broken.

[strong cave]

bluescreen and iron lung is mostly used for crowd control and sustained DPS. something like elmo's as an AR is used for sustained DPS, perfect handling, and crowd control. perfect for nearly all content. then you get something like ravenous, perfect for maybe 3 things: 1.) raids 2.) chungas 3.) shielders

[strong cave]

devs already confirmed they're working on a massive overhaul for pvp

[worn imp]

Ooo i didnt know

[strong cave]

they have to, for survivors

[worn imp]

I guess there just maybe might be some light at the end of the tunnel hmm....

[strong cave]

otherwise, and I hate to say, pvp survivors will flop on launch

[hazy steeple]

And almost more importantly: they are going to be balancing (at least some) items separately. between PvE and PvP.

[strong cave]

which im very patiently waiting for the day we get those patch notes and the dev announcement. I genuinely miss PVP in division 2

[worn imp]

Maybe survivors could just be more of a stripped down PvP without certain crazy talents idk...

[hazy steeple]

As someone who's been in a lot of games where they killed a thing I loved because it was OP in PvP: more separation, thanks.

[strong cave]

maybe, or itll just be a bland ripoff of the original survival

which nobody wants, that much im certain of

[hazy steeple]

Survivors is notably: "not just a copy of survival", and "the clue is in the name" of how it'll work.

[worn imp]

I feel like PvP imo has enough depth with its focus on movement to throw off the other's aim. It a steaming mess rn with all these buffs. Sometimes less is more

[strong cave]

im personally predicting you either join up with other agent players or theyll choose to stab you in the back (assuming pvp). or itll just be pve only and we have to work together to survive. i hope its not the second part of this message

[worn imp]

many will prolly disagree tbf and u should prolly trust their opinion more than mine since i havent played that much PvP

[strong cave]

right now the only depth to it is whoever abuses whatever cheese method for kills. and thats as simple as: status/fire builds, umbra capacitor, bighorn regen

especially with how strong tier 0 skills are in pvp

[worn imp]

Yeah man fire is hellishly balanced in PvP. They gotta remove the aim-out of fire so bad in pvp.... also pve imo

[strong cave]

ive got probably dozens of clips of the same pvp players abusing the same builds due to the immense amount of lack of balancing. that you really have no choice but to join them in it. its why most have left the pvp community, myself included

[worn imp]

Same

[strong cave]

we have to be careful with pve changes in division 2. people cried for a while to change shit there. they did, which made pve good. but it absolutely destroyed pvp

for years it was always "who cares about the pvp players? aint nobody play pvp".... uhhhh we still do. we've been playing the same game for years with NO new added content. still stuck around. meanwhile the pve players leave for weeks at a time and question whats new. us pvp players are like "new? whats that? "

[hazy steeple]

Okay let's tone down the hate train for a few minutes.

[strong cave]

I badly wanna see changes and maybe new maps 🙏

[worn imp]

Well at the end of the day they should cater more towards taking care of the part with the vastly bigger playerbase imo. Even if the other might suffer a bit. PvP just doesnt have the framework to be balanced in any sense of the word. There are infinite ways that it can become borked with every new update to PvE.

[strong cave]

nah its not a hate train, its just how its perceived in the pvp community rn. im very hopeful they balance it out and MAYBE make new pvp content 🙏

[hazy steeple]

It's best if you take the rest of this conversation over to #td2-pvp-discussions and let the build advice come back in.

[strong cave]

im cool with that

[worn imp]

Fair enough with the channel reminder but i please don't reduce this to a "hate train". PvP has the possibility to be far better than worse, but critique and discussion is the only way it's ever going to get there, if it is.

Thats all.

[worn imp]

Totally respectable

[hazy steeple]

Aw you removed the beseech, I was gonna do a whole bit.

[hexed steppe]

I'm glad we all agree mortar is the tippy top of builds and no others compare

-# Mortar Supremacy

[worn imp]

Hahahah yeah idk that was a bit too fancy tailed xD

[hazy steeple]

Forsooth verily, I hope ye have good fortune in your PvP endeavours!

[strong cave]

I genuinely need it rn I'm about to queue into my first conflict match 💀

[winter cloak]

PvP endeavors are always bad fortune. I got ran thru by a SHD 412000 yesterday

[strong cave]

Definitely cheating

[winter cloak]

good luck.

[hazy steeple]

If it helps, a SHD 4000 would've done the same thing.

[worn imp]

Tip of the mortar

[winter cloak]

yeah Ik. Im only like SHD 40

[worn imp]

😳

[strong cave]

They can honestly. But if they're truly shd 419k that's 100% cheating

[winter cloak]

I put thousands of hours into year 1 on console and then forgot about it and thought they abandoned it

now I’m back and oh my god everything is different

[hazy steeple]

SHD levelling has been around since 2019, and we've had a metric ton of those x3 and x5 1k cap events.

[strong cave]

I would have to see said agent's username and track their hours stats. That'll tell me everything I need to know

[hazy steeple]

Think of an absurd SHD level less as cheating and more "they abused a game mechanic and the account wasn't reverted".

[winter cloak]

Yeah

I just miss my dark zone man

[hazy steeple]

@strong cave Then watch them through a window and leave messages on their bathroom mirror?

[winter cloak]

And I miss my gear score requirements

[strong cave]

If they've got over say 7k hours, then it's likely an exploit. If it's barely a few hundred, 100% cheating

[real oar]

There used to be a time when you could create an additional char, get the shared SHD on top, delete it and repeat. Fortunately Ubi removed that, exactly for this reason...

[hazy steeple]

@real oar That was for SHD watch points, not levels.

@strong cave Rule 6.

[real oar]

ah you're right...

[winter cloak]

the disgusting part is that it’s apparently dummy cheap 2. Ran into someone on conflict yesterday talking about it

[strong cave]

Yup that's 100% the rule barring me from disclosing of more

[worn imp]

Fiftys on another ban speedrun ❌ 🔨

[hazy steeple]

The obsession with if a SHD level is legit, or how high it is, is a bit much sometimes.
Don't worry about them, the only real measure of a player is if they help out the team in a mission.

[real oar]

very well said

[worn imp]

i wonder you could make an equation for amount of SHD levels correlating to the amount of grass straws one has touched.

[winter cloak]

rivens the SHD 412000 secretly, that’s why it’s being shushed right now 🤣🤣🤣

[hazy steeple]

Nah, it's just that I've never played this game before and having to make so many correct guesses about info is getting kinda rough.

[strong cave]

I mean, if you do 1 CP a day, it'll take you 1000 days to reach 1000 levels. Ish. Do 100 a day and you'll hit 1000 levels in 10 days

[winter cloak]

I mean that’s valid yeah, trying to guess anything in this game is so ridiculous hard

[strong cave]

Factor in xp events too for quicker leveling. That's my level formula that I did and that I can personally account for

[hazy steeple]

I think that one went over Fifty's head.

[worn imp]

thats what im saying! this here individual is an AI providing answers based on the available discord messages in this chat lmao

[winter cloak]

I’m trying to formulate builds based on what I get killed by for pvp and it’s never enough. I’m just in the blender for the next 8000 SHD levels

[hazy steeple]

I'm not even a discord bot, so I can only pull from the bot-log.

[worn imp]

gonna have to gather more data dawg

[strong cave]

It sadly did

[worn imp]

r/wooosh

[strong cave]

"rate my pvep setup"

[winter cloak]

I have some luck in conflict. Sometimes. my precious DZ scares me, and I don’t understand raids or countdowns or anything like special lmfao

[worn imp]

nah he just didnt read it lul

[worn imp]

another skill tier for the decoy makes you give enemy players jumpscares so u have the element of suprise

[strong cave]

increases my radius for the seeker and does more damage

and instantly it now completely changed to this:

[worn imp]

i mean ye i guess its cool or something i dont play pvp hehe

but why not just run grupo for the 20% explosion dmg then?

[strong cave]

I have those for demo on an alt version. Grupo + China

[worn imp]

cause picaros memes?

[strong cave]

picaros gives +1 skill tier and with ninjabike you get another. plus it gives 10% WD which is nearly the same as 1 red core

havent touched EB on umbra in a while. the recoil is a bit more harsh than I remember 😂

[worn imp]

yeah thats cool and all but dont forget to # Talk to Wally About the program # ⚠️ 🗣️

[strong cave]

Man idgaf about wally 😂

[worn imp]

bro why is the big text thing not working.....

lol i just noticed i typed discord twice

[worn imp]

i think you should its really big right on your screen bro

anywho yeah builds are cool (staying on topic so i dont get banned)

[hazy steeple]

Don't use the AI Overview.
speaking as one: we like to lie in it to mess with people.

[worn imp]

yeah i know i just forget to disable it

[hazy steeple]

swear, is the instant way.

not even joking,

you can also add a filter to your ublock origin

[lost wren]

how do you disable this shit

[hazy steeple]

its a single line of text, turns it right off

it's easy enough to find the method via google.

[kind epoch]

Doesn’t work on chrome. I just type -ai

[meager fog]

Unless you read the AI response.......Inception...

[foggy imp]

When running striker and unit is it ever better to take off the striker backpack for something like vigilance

Or is the holster still the better pair with the chest

[meager fog]

Stiker backpack is FAR above vigilance for DPS

[foggy imp]

Thank you

[drowsy mica]

Hey, anyone have the build guide image of just a basic Striker set with ceska chest and Coyote's? Thanks

[solar sable]

It's all in the Spreadsheet btw

[drowsy mica]

Thanks so much!

[drowsy mica]

Ah, I must've missed the image

[strong cave]

1000.0k damage 😂 🤣

[solar sable]

what the fudge

[strong cave]

😂

[meager fog]

1,000K means 1m.

[strong cave]

it does but its still funny seeing the number

[kind epoch]

How are you doing 1m only in damage at 17% wpn dmg?

[strong cave]

17%? im so confused

[smoky latch]

They mean expertise I guess

[onyx sage]

that number is misleading

[kind epoch]

Yeah expertise

[cerulean smelt]

i'm questioning why they didn't do the last 13 levels? 🤔

[kind epoch]

Idk if it’s misleading. My m700 does 1.1m. My 249 does only 133k. I now clear CPs quicker with my HH build and I used to prefer using my OD, unless if it’s against those big tank dudes with the hammer

[onyx sage]

your actual damage number is much higher than these

also it doesn't take into account your talents etc.

[strong cave]

last 10*

I dont have enough mats to do the 30

[onyx sage]

so if you take a striker build vs a high end build and compare with the same AR for example, the high end build will give a higher number for "total damage" when obviously in real use striker is much more lethal

[strong cave]

specifically exo comps

[kind epoch]

That’s true 😅 I’ve seen as high as 30m with m700. 800k with the 249 (1.2m in countdown with ally talents). But also when I use the 249 to clear CPs, they hide. With the sniper, they get no chance 😂😂

[onyx sage]

it's why lmgs are a bit harder to use effectively, for farming any headhunter build is just a lot faster

[strong cave]

i tend to run a pistol version that allows me to just spam all 6 shots in my revolver and poof room cleared