td2-build-advice

[worn imp]

I really wanna use a DPS build that runs memento. What would be a better choice for higher consistent DPS: striker + ceska w obliderate .... OR all red heartbreaker (running flatline talent ofc) + ceska with intimidate

[smoky latch]

An all red build with Intimidate isn't a good idea. Have some blue cores for that

[hexed steppe]

ceska striker memento

just go oblit

[meager fog]

Well strikers has higher DPS than Heartbreaker in general.

Ceska Obliterate is the basic, or new Equalizer chest which requires reinvesting some CHC to account for lack of Ceska bonus.

Strikers is consistent, just stack with an automatic shotgun to hit the higher bonus faster.

[astral kraken]

Ceska obliterate is fine too. I used that for a long time.

[shy bone]

Sorry for the newbie question but.. What is your opinion on Bluescreen LMG? I enjoy the stun effect for crowd control and I wanna stick with an LMG - would you recommend switching to something else that’s better? What would that be? Thanks

[strong cave]

bluescreen is fine. make sure it has CHC as 3rd attribute

[shy bone]

Cool! Thank you 😊

[meager fog]

Bluescreen Negotiators Dilemma is a god like build

[livid valve]

are overdogs in the general lootpool now?

[stuck grotto]

No

[livid valve]

where do I get them then

[stuck grotto]

Retaliation, target Hyenas. You can also try your luck with exotic caches

[smoky latch]

And priority Objectives

[hallow arch]

Tipping scales + Pestilence worked right?

[subtle bluff]

Yes but it doesn't synergize as well.

[hallow arch]

That's a shame, what does pesti work with? (I forgor)

[subtle bluff]

The guide.... CoCo, HE Lengmo

[hallow arch]

Got it got it mb

[kind epoch]

how long did you guys have to grind to unlock the 7.62 muzzle brake?

[subtle bluff]

RNG

[candid depot]

trying to make a facetank-ish build, how can i improve

my goal is to try and have lots of enemies shooting at me, with my shield up

[cerulean smelt]

good luck with that

[candid depot]

so is it good?

[scenic whale]

If your allies shoot enemies do more damage they’ll ignore you in favor of shooting them. Even with the increased threat from immennce I’ve had pretty mixed results trying to hold aggression

If the goal is to be a tank yeah it’ll do, I just couldn’t tell you how “good” you’ll be able to force enemies to target you

[candid depot]

how about this? it has Forge and zero F's

[scenic whale]

Aside from that, you got 6 blue cores and a skill tier from NBB so could respec a core into red or more yellows for other skill utilities, technician hive is also a good pick as it just pops a charge out every now and then for a pretty fat free heal

If you’re after being a support id just use Pointman, free team wide armor and temp shield invinciblity will do a lot more

[subtle bluff]

To note the biggest issues with trying to tank for a team is holding agro.

[grand girder]

yeah you're better off running decoy spam or just survivability for the whole team rather than a "tank"

[rich cosmos]

How would cloak function in a group/with a decoy

[smoky latch]

I'd say it depends on your decoy expertise

The higher the expertise the more aggro it takes

Unsure about the effect without

[rich cosmos]

Expertise increases its threat?

Well, assuming you have a skill tier and teammates, cloak should get a lot of use right?

[smoky latch]

Some nice flowers in the background

[rich cosmos]

How does threat work, theres practically no videos about cloak on yt

Doesn’t threat have something to do with shooting

[smoky latch]

I sometimes ran it as healer, was OK

[smoky latch]

That is how the NPC aggro is calculated

The reason why tank builds do not work in this game, sadly

[drowsy mica]

Anyone have any good Tempest builds?

[rich cosmos]

So, cloak would counteract that to a degree plus a decoy

[smoky latch]

I'd imagine the NPCs will focus on the decoy first, then it depends on your actions

You'd have to try that

[rich cosmos]

I wont be able till next weekend so rip, did a lot of messing around with MA and beacon

[smoky latch]

I like this; everything crit

[ancient locust]

Hello all, which one is better as of today with hunter fury build,

Ouroboros or chatterbox

[smoky latch]

If you can keep up the Chatterbox buff, it's this one. Also depends on how you play

[solar sable]

chatterbox is a good option

[drowsy mica]

Shit, that looks pretty good
Thanks!

[drowsy mica]

I assume that's a Fox's Prayer down there?

[smoky latch]

Yessir

[drowsy mica]

Are any of the other pieces named?

[smoky latch]

Nope

[onyx sage]

nope

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's more playstyle at that rate.

HE Weapons are bit easier to play.

[lament birch]

My first Elmo’s :DDD

Wait— I bought the blueprint- but I can’t reconfigure it normally

[smoky latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCxV4vyRmpw
Random vid

[lament birch]

Let’s go :DD

Should I roll again for maximum on all three or optimize the top two?

[smoky latch]

Yes. Idk how many exotic components you have

[lament birch]

I had 133 components before.

And I think I reached my zenith before the game cucks me on the third attribute or mismanages the other two again.

[hazy steeple]

@lament birch Image permissions in this channel are to help with a build, if you have a more general question about div2, feel free to use the ones in #ask-td2-community

[lament birch]

Oops- sorry

[rich cosmos]

Does beacons team effect affect the whole team, the whole team if they are within range, or only one player

[wary crypt]

How’s the concentrated company compared to striker for solo pve?

[subtle bluff]

Answer in the other place you asked it.

[subtle bluff]

range

[rich cosmos]

So like, what does beacon actually have over coyotes for teamplay outside of boosting tank builds with regen

(Beacon buff when)

[subtle bluff]

Nothing... You can stack it..

[rich cosmos]

Beacon stacking seems very unintentional

Beacon really needs more to it

(It should stack for each player within range)

[hexed steppe]

real question is why one would run coyote instead of overdogs in the first place

[rich cosmos]

I mean it still has the teamplay element which is a valid reason

[hexed steppe]

yeah, but its way outclassed

[rich cosmos]

One op thing doesn’t cancel out a go to from before

But point is

Beacon just doesn’t really have a niche, at all

Its not good for damage or buffing team damage, and its other stats are too weak on their own for self and team

[subtle bluff]

IMO honestly the feedback when we give it a mess. Idk... It's mentioned but never pushed or heard well enough when we give it

for the PTS stuff...

I still think heroic Retal isn't hard enough

[rich cosmos]

Retal?

[subtle bluff]

retaliation

I can't spell it.

[rich cosmos]

Oh, I really don’t see the point in the mode outside of rewards

It doesn’t feel like a gamemode to me

[subtle bluff]

It's lil better than CD and you don't need wait

since it's targeted loot

actually more if you get a bunch of kill squads and stuff

[rich cosmos]

Idk point is beacon really needs more, I feel like they designed it with literally just the ai companion in mind and nothing else because like, why write half the talent for skills and then have the stats be so bad you would never bother with the skill portion of it

Heres another easy buff, let the skill and teammate buffs stack

[rich cosmos]

Yeah but you have to set it up first instead of just matchmaking for a countdown right away

[subtle bluff]

Trust I hear ya and probably most players.

Meh I have one queued up most of the time. IDK 😐

[rich cosmos]

I just really badly want beacon to be good

[plucky palm]

Are The Division 1 game servers back online on Xbox Series X?

[solar sable]

buddy, read the channel's name

[subtle bluff]

We wouldn't know...
id:browse there's bunch other channels

[subtle bluff]

To be fair... kind of. All the exo Chest suck.

[rich cosmos]

Most exotics suck

[civic pasture]

I've been running a groupo chest for my striker build for the longest but I keep seeing folk saying that ceska is a better option. Does it really make that much difference or are the gains marginal compared?

[rich cosmos]

I really hate the concept that you can make builds easily without exotics, not because its better or anything but mainly because often exotics will end up making a build worse depending on what slot it takes

We REALLY need a project resolve for exotics

[solar sable]

grupo for CHD, ceska for CHC if you need the crit, ceska is most recommended for that reason

you want your CHC to be as close to 60% as possible

[subtle bluff]

The less you need to put into CHC the more you can put into CHD. Ceska 8 is just a higher value.

[solar sable]

the more you learn

[civic pasture]

Also how is the unit alloys named chest, is that also a good option to run or just stick with ceska?

[subtle bluff]

It's good too just and have to mess a lot more with your Crit numbers.

[solar sable]

great option afaik

[subtle bluff]

It's better when you're running killer

[civic pasture]

good info to know preciate it

[hazy steeple]

So you're saying that you are over dogs, and using Overdogs instead of Coyotes?

[frozen hull]

Is there anyway to get quickstep still? Or do I just have to wait in hopes it comes back out

[meager fog]

If someone in #lfg-playstation still has bounties left over it can still drop from the reward caches

That or if your lucky the loot goblin might have it in his drops during the christmas event

[frozen hull]

Thanks I’ll try there appreciate it .. hopefully I can snag it

lol I just peeked in there and it’s literally what people are asking for I coulda just looked in there from the start lol whoops

[rocky cape]

any build with new set?

[native plume]

Any recommendations for a Marksman Rifle to go with my Sniper 5 directives freeroam build?
Something that isnt Exotic

[strong cave]

white death or Custom M44

[willow cobalt]

I'm testing this, a heal/team boost build with decent damage, really fun to play !

[strong cave]

wtaf 💀

why only 5 tiers lmao

[subtle bluff]

This is a very bad way to do this.

The only buff you give is being near people with your skill out

You're not doing anything well..

[willow cobalt]

Actually, this is a test of what I'm trying to do. If you have any suggestions on what I could improve, I'm all ears!

[hexed steppe]

i would swap mender to healchem so you can go tech and get a 6th skilltier. youll also end up having faraday perk on the hive which will be useful when team is close to it.

[main temple]

Is there any gear that's above level 40?

[cerulean smelt]

max level is 40

[main temple]

Thank you.

[cerulean smelt]

if we had 41+ gear we wouldn't be able to wear them

[willow cobalt]

@hexed steppe Thanks, I just changed that, I’m going to test it.

[willow cobalt]

@subtle bluff I already have this meta healer build, I'm looking to do something different, but thanks !

[subtle bluff]

Context helps.

CRAP... It's not in here

[subtle bluff]

you want something different that works?

[cerulean smelt]

what's missing? turmoil?

[subtle bluff]

Empathic Resolve on the support version

I just really need to make a Hybrid Guide with this.

[cerulean smelt]

i see you got it on the 2nd picture

[urban latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AOzUVVjg1QTAEVm5Gr04wLir7a7WonsN7DRCJErkU2c/edit?usp=sharing

[mortal flint]

And advice on how to build a technician with some decent survivability?

[solar sable]

you can't really have two things at a time, you can have dmg and healing with Refactor for example

you would be leaving Skill Tiers behind using blue cores on a support build AFAIK

[solar sable]

what kind of skill/support build do you want/need?

[meager fog]

The way builds generally work in the Division is by utilising a gear set (strikers, refractor, ongoing directive, etc) or a brand set (Fenris, Sokolov etc) as a base for the build.

When the base has been set up, you then build around it utilising Specialisations, Exotics, Set bonuses, Weapons, and talents to enhance it.

Take a look in the pinned build guides in this channel, it gives you all the information you need on current builds, farming techniques and gameplay.

If you really want to use technician, I would suggest using the Heartbreaker set to make good use of the Tech laser pointer.

I believe there's also a Tech tank build in there.

[mortal flint]

Definitely good advice. Thank you all. My gunner is built fantastic and face tanks like a beast but man I love drone synergy and wanna make technician work.

[subtle bluff]

Look at the refactor builds I posted above.

[kind epoch]

does killer with 10% DMA and 10% DTTOOC on infantry MGS do better than perfect sadist with 11% DTTOOC and 10% CHD on carnage? same CHC% to both. im running both MGs and for some reason i feel like killer with DMA kills quicker somehow? 4pc OD with ceska and coyote

[subtle bluff]

DMA? DTA?

[kind epoch]

sorry, yeah DTA

[subtle bluff]

You want CHC. The DTA is only % when there armor.

Like chunga and thing with Armor Plates aren’t armor for some reason

Good question I’ll add those numbers later to the guide so others can see that.

[kind epoch]

i literally just got this weapon this morning so im experimenting with farmed stats that haven't been optimized or swapped on MGS. Carnage is damn near optimized with CHD. but im also at 57.4 CHC overall stats

[subtle bluff]

Carnage and Overdogs is very viable. I just hate how it handles.

[kind epoch]

yeah i hate the recoil on the carnage. i think i kill quicker because MGS has much better recoil control

[subtle bluff]

M249 and MG5/Inf are just great overall.

MG5’s are just so well balanced.
M249 is great DPS and Mag Size.

If you see my other showcase of OD using m249 I take both Rogue Agents

With it pretty well. It would of been lil harder with MG5

I need to get a MG5 Inf to test out.

[kind epoch]

i still die to rogue agents on challenge in summit. im trying to figure out how to get past that 10mil damage mark so i can manage that easier 😂 im doing 7mil at best

with my current setup (which hasn't changed other than the weapon selection) im doing 57.4 chc and 123 chd

[subtle bluff]

Can I/we see the build?

[kind epoch]

disregard the skills. i dont use hive or pulse

[subtle bluff]

You need gunner to get the Pouch for +50 mag size

So if you don’t have tinkerer you need both to have Sadist

[kind epoch]

i tried unlocking that last night but ended up doing the wrong mission somehow (but at the right mission location) and unlocked some kind of emp weapon instead 😂

[subtle bluff]

I’m available late tonight or tomorrow to help you with that.

[kind epoch]

i dont have tinkerer. it's an exotic isn't it? i tried for a few days and then gave up to start farming for MGs instead

[subtle bluff]

It can be only gotten in the manger manhunt mission

[kind epoch]

oh...

[subtle bluff]

Other thing I should add to the guide has a note. TY

[kind epoch]

ive also tried farming for MG5 with sadist but i've literally gotten quite a bit of other MGs with sadist, just not MG5 and i find that quite annoying 😂 so i've been rocking carnage as a backup

[subtle bluff]

You’re looking for LMG wise is either CHC or Sadist.

or a killer for tinkerer

[kind epoch]

i've literally gotten both, and frenzy. but CHC is low, idk why. i've also gotten other MMRs and SMGs with sadist, with CHC attribute not so high (percentage isn't high either when i do farm one)

[subtle bluff]

You need Sadist to run OD. Sadist 30% is huge.

[kind epoch]

but i'll have to see what time i can get on tonight. im down though

[subtle bluff]

I'll tag you when later with a ETA otherwise tomorrow maybe better

[kind epoch]

sounds good

[meager fog]

Surely Pressure Point over Killer?

Sadist+PP OD is incredible

[subtle bluff]

So I did some numbers the other night.. (like 2 hours worth while hanging out not drinking at a bar...)
If you're at around 100ish give or take -/+ 15 CHD, Killer is worth about 20% dmg.

The less CHD the more value the more less.

With UA BP it's pretty intereting.

Idk if post the DPS numbers here

[worn imp]

Whats the best (least unoptimal) exotic LMG for striker builds?
I'm tired of formulaically using high end LMGs with killer/measured for striker, wanna switch it up a bit. Doesnt have to be optimal, just has to be the best of the exotic options available for LMGs.

[meager fog]

From an LMG perspective, Iron Lung or Bullet king. But LMGs arent best in slot for strikers

[subtle bluff]

So a trinkerer LMG strikers?

[worn imp]

Dont care how many times im told "be optimal, peasant!" I will continue to break out of the suffocating boxes of meta conformity! 😤 Even if it isnt BiS

[subtle bluff]

Wait did mean to get off Tinkerer?

[meager fog]

Not what was being said.

Just asking why you're adamant on using LMGs

[worn imp]

they feel good to use I guess 🙂

[meager fog]

Ok, have you thought about using LMG sets with them?

Tipping Scales, OD, Negotiators Dilemma?

[worn imp]

why not Bluescreen? have seen that things base damage shredding

[worn imp]

remind me what OD stands for?

[subtle bluff]

HF Chameleon

[meager fog]

Bluescreen doesnt shred because of its damage.

It's good because of its talent

[meager fog]

Ongoing Directive

[silent storm]

Tink Strikers with Streamline/Frenzy or Streamline/Killer is really fun

[worn imp]

Would OG lmg builds be viable legendaries bychance? Im guessing not

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen is better in groups scaling.

[kind epoch]

it works for sure for countdown when you dont have someone who's absolutely OP on the team

[meager fog]

Ongoing Directive is fine for Legendaries

[subtle bluff]

I use LMG all the time in Leggo/Master

[worn imp]

cant do it i despise streamline

[silent storm]

Measured/Killer then

[worn imp]

how u mean? its less affected by the scaling or something?

[subtle bluff]

How bluesreen works with stacks.

[meager fog]

It has built in CC, it needs a decent HP pool to stack properly

[subtle bluff]

If you don’t keep the stacks up it’s kind of pointless and when everything is already dead ya..

I shouldn’t say scaling just Healthier targets

[silent storm]

I use GC on my Bluescreen Dilemma build and HP has never been a problem for me

[subtle bluff]

That’s even more of the point there all dead already.

[meager fog]

Math doesnt lie.

Outside of legendary, you're better just using something else.

[subtle bluff]

It’s usable just not working all the time.

[silent storm]

Yeah things die fast

Gotta get that spawn camp in, not let them spread out

[subtle bluff]

I started the Screening ND build a long ago but it was on leggo missions.

Don’t even need to camp but it really helps!

[meager fog]

It works best in Lego/Master.

Outside of that, just change out the bluescreen for better talent uptime

[subtle bluff]

AND it’s not to say not to use it just you could just kill faster with with LMG’s

[silent storm]

Streamline high cap LMG is good

[meager fog]

Streamline is poor in general

[kind epoch]

that's what i do in CD with bluescreen. im the slowest kiler so i just round them up as soon as they spawn and the rest of the team (who are stronger) go for the kills

[subtle bluff]

I need to do the math for streamline vs other talents or look it up, iKia should have something.

[meager fog]

For solo ND you just want to use something with Killer or Strained.

[silent storm]

Ikia had one for TS build, I just like the skill because I rarely use skills on DPS

[kind epoch]

UNLESS you have someone like @subtle bluff who take them down in one shot 😂 then bluescreen is absolutely useless

[subtle bluff]

I mean I’m using Bluescreen in the clip above

But that is solo leggo

[kind epoch]

wht weapon were you using that night? looked like it was some kind of marksman rifle

[silent storm]

Bluescreen Dilemma is almost cheat honestly with how good it is

[meager fog]

If you're not using skills you can't be doing many Legendaries/Masters

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen ND

[silent storm]

Why not?

[subtle bluff]

It balanced. Its burst isn’t high.

[subtle bluff]

Give it a shot without skills

[meager fog]

Weren't you working on solo zoo?

Good luck without skills

[silent storm]

I mean I do all the time

[subtle bluff]

This season?

Where you were effective part of the team?

[meager fog]

There's a reason nobody uses Streamline

[silent storm]

Well this season is weird because I am still figuring out how the ally even works, most times I don't even have the mod active unless I am activley tring to level it up

[subtle bluff]

99% aren’t using Streamline.. 😐 there are odd builds that use it.

But also it’s only needed for up to 2 shots

[silent storm]

The interface for ally is so clunky and I don't even know if he is folloing my orders or just doing normal AI things

[meager fog]

Well, a couple of reasons:

1- its just weapon damage. It's not even a big boost to damage.

2- its inactive most of the time outside of heroic.

3- if you arent using skills in legendary, you're not helping the team

[subtle bluff]

You like changing subjects..

[silent storm]

If you need your top frag to use skills you already lost

[subtle bluff]

LOL?

[meager fog]

Well....thats certainly one of the takes of all time

[subtle bluff]

All the TOP players use skills all the time.

[subtle bluff]

Your CRAZY to think that.

[meager fog]

I'm just going to stop engaging with this, because i'm going to get in trouble again 🤣

[worn imp]

Which gear set for LMGs would you recommend if one really wants to use Memento in the build for the survivability that it offers? I intend to run all red cores as far as I can but using memento.

[silent storm]

I don't not use skills in Legendary, I have a Refactor build and a FI build and a Sticky Bomb build. I just don't use them on my MD or Striker builds

[meager fog]

Memento works with lots of builds, Strikers solo it does very well

[worn imp]

but you said there are better options for LMG buils, no?

[subtle bluff]

All of my clips and showcase are me using skills.
I’m gonna call you delusional for believing that..

Watch any solo leggo run and see if they never use a skill

[subtle bluff]

Strikers, TS, OD and ND.

[meager fog]

Tipping scales, Ongoing Directive, Negotiators Dilemma, however all of them use the set backpack except OD which uses Ceska with Wicked talent

Memento can work on all of them, but at the cost of really big damage buffs

[worn imp]

So for running memento, would Ongoing directive give me the best dps?

[subtle bluff]

No.

It’ll do good but not “best”

[silent storm]

I feel like TS without the BP is a bigger DPS loss than Strikers without the BP

[worn imp]

really? huh..

[subtle bluff]

He’s not wrong

Strikers BP is from 65% amp to 90% amp.

Not small but not huge too

[strong cave]

😼

[subtle bluff]

The peak of DPS anything using Overdogs

[worn imp]

i dont really like using tipping scales anyway. So out out of these 3 sets, while using memento, which is best DPS with LMGs?: Ongoing directive, Negotiators, strikers

[silent storm]

It's hard to take of OvD once you use them

[subtle bluff]

Bud… It’s not fair. They all do a job well how they get there is different.

[meager fog]

Nego has the highest DPS in game.

But it would suffer using Memento

[worn imp]

can running a couple armor cores while using overdogs compensate for lost survivability from memento?

[subtle bluff]

FULL STOP….

Context again what are you trying to do.

LMG DPS with _______

[worn imp]

lol I want a good DPS LMG build while having at least a comparable survivability buff as memento. Doesnt actually have to be memento but if thats the option recommended for the criteria ive given, ill run it

[subtle bluff]

Just go strikers, Memento, Ceska or UA chest Iron Lung

[worn imp]

thats the jist

[worn imp]

what so I light enemies on fire to stagger?

[subtle bluff]

Obli or P. Obli

It does good DPS with that ability on top.

[worn imp]

thats what ur saying? stagger will equal survivability cause enemies cant shoot back?

[subtle bluff]

There is a reason 2 of us here say. “I love Iron Lung”

I am one of them.

[worn imp]

aight so my assumption about the stagger = survivability is correct I take it

[subtle bluff]

Now there 3 I forgot got someone else on it.

It’s a CC stagger isn’t exactly the only thing.

[green halo]

Iron lung for sure

[worn imp]

how u mean?

[silent storm]

I don't know if I am using Iron Lung properly to like it

[subtle bluff]

You can see here the build in action with me messing up and recovering.

Without Taking cover.

[worn imp]

yeah i tend to favor memento cause I play aggressively and sometimes dont take cover lol

[subtle bluff]

Could have done cleaner and better but the point was one shot go.

Note the specific word is “Take” I still use LoS

[worn imp]

whats LoS stand for?

[subtle bluff]

Line of Sight

[worn imp]

Is the damage difference between strikers without backpack talent and ongoing directive without wicked being procced very large?

[subtle bluff]

I have the numbers but not on hand.

[worn imp]

its fine ill look it up

shouldnt be asking stuff i can look up so brb

[subtle bluff]

I mean… it’s hard to compare. Memento and strikers depending on stacks can win where OD it’s at peak DPS 98% of the time.

[worn imp]

yeah, ive considered that fact

[worn imp]

but strikers stacks come hella cheap from switching to an ACS and unloading

[subtle bluff]

I don’t use ACS in open pve

[worn imp]

why?

[subtle bluff]

SMG or AR. You can see why in the clip.

Unless I am on like strikers chest I am very rarely on ACS. If I am using ACS to stack there’s a plan.

[worn imp]

I was under the assumption using an ACS even when not running striker chest, is always BiS for your secondary

i suppose i might have misjudged that a bit now that i think about it... stacks arent all that hard to keep up with a weapon with fast enough RoF

[subtle bluff]

Not really… again unless planned. Are you always gonna run up closer to something to use acs12?

Is always a good idea to do?

[worn imp]

I gotcha

[cerulean smelt]

yes especially running up to the outcasts suicide guys (> <)

[subtle bluff]

Those are the questions asked. If I can kill it still and be safe and be in spot to start DPS on the next thing that’s the ideal scenario.

[subtle bluff]

OOF… I’ve may have done a few times.

[worn imp]

are hollow point rounds dmg buff treated as an amp?

[subtle bluff]

I take this next from one of my other professional.
Do be as worried at what you’re doing ATM but what are you gonna be doing next? (Don’t look at where your going now but where you want to be)

[cerulean smelt]

i want to be that guy that has to walk a block but instead gets lost and goes to another country

[subtle bluff]

Where’s the eject Lost button.

Or what I like to say a lot about this game.
Being at the right place at the right time to do the right thing

[worn imp]

Would an ongoing directive high end-LMG build using memento look like this?

what do you think of this setup with my citeria in mind as the goal?

[pastel basin]

For the negotiators on Fieser, would this work the same as a chc hsd roll? Like should I put this into that shotgun build, or roll a hsd chc?

[subtle bluff]

Salvo or a Ceska

[worn imp]

oooo salvo good idea!

anyone got an image of salvo buff?

[subtle bluff]

5% more ROF

With UA it's 10 total.

[worn imp]

isnt the contractors better tho than either salvo or a ceska piece?

its adding guaranteed damage thru the damage to armor

[subtle bluff]

Tbh Ceska is better most likely your crit numbers aren't gonna be in a good spot.

Remember memento doesn't come with any stats.

Try it out.

[worn imp]

but petrov boosts specific weapon damage tho, which could make up for the lost crit damage from not running ceska, no??

[subtle bluff]

Theory only goes so far per player.

[worn imp]

but if theory and math tells me something is better than something else then i will adapt to where the math wants to bring me lol

[astral kraken]

weapon damage is already a big pool in most builds

[subtle bluff]

Eh. Yes and no. I don't have numbers off hand but we're taking a % max 2 of different

[worn imp]

no its not weapon damage, its "specific weapon damage", in this case LMG dmg

[subtle bluff]

Take over.. Traffic is ending for me... Lol

[astral kraken]

if you really care about the math just use a dps calc to figure it out

otherwise it's just guesswork anyway

[astral kraken]

that goes into the same pool as all weapon damage

[worn imp]

oh i didnt know i gotcha

[astral kraken]

@worn imp the quick calc tool is easy to use for stuff like that:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dnr25ekIlP-1qqwnTjNoxpZTZsW7y9dRyhGQ0rSJeFE/edit?usp=sharing

@worn imp you can save time by grabbing the base damage from here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?usp=sharing

then just punch in chc/chd/amps/etc and compare

[cloud steppe]

hi, wich specialization should i pick?

[solar sable]

depends, for what build?

[cloud steppe]

i still dont have a build

i recently got lvl 30

[solar sable]

level up Gunner then

[cloud steppe]

ok, thanks

[worn imp]

Does versatile talent work for switching between SMGs?

[cerulean smelt]

that's the odd one on the backpack right? something like smg & shotgun, lmg and AR kind of thing right?

[worn imp]

technically, is crit damage an amp?

[astral kraken]

the pool that crit damage is part of is an amp

[worn imp]

right

I genuinely like this thing for striker builds, if one wants survivability. It allows u to get a bunch of extra damage from striker backpack and not run memento

[onyx sage]

if they're both smgs, no

[cosmic wing]

Nimble holster is slept on

[magic pilot]

Creds to @buoyant perch this is amazing

shroud/overdog tiers

[silent storm]

Medic boxes affect OvD

[onyx sage]

yeah cuz they're tier 3

[meager fog]

All skill proxies are tier 3, they dont need listing

[hasty sluice]

130% Mag size build

for the funny obv.

[subtle bluff]

Grab a Hunterman and tell us the RPM.

[subtle bluff]

Done.. Pesti Guide updated
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?usp=sharing

[worn imp]

Hahaha youre not thinking big enough friend. Grab a GR9 and run gunner. Then tell us the RPM!

[subtle bluff]

Too big.

[drowsy mica]

What do you all think is better for OD? Bluescreen or GR9 with sadist?

I've been running Bluescreen, but I'm debating trying the GR9 out with it

[subtle bluff]

There's a DPS chart in the OD guide.
Sadist will easily out DPS Bluescreen

[drowsy mica]

I assume the guide is on the holy spreadsheet?

I'll check it out, thanks!

[subtle bluff]

M249 and MG5 with Sadist imo are best with OD

[meager fog]

Also Tinkerer with Pressure Point on the second gun for bigger damage. 2 amps with permanent up time

[magic pilot]

Bullet king at home

[lament reef]

bullet prince

[strong cave]

Temu bullet king more like

[onyx sage]

of bel air

[hazy steeple]

West Potomac, born and raised?

I'll see myself out.

[mighty kettle]

Anyone have a support bittersweet build?

[tardy nacelle]

Damn these mfs are tanky af

[kind epoch]

which version of 249? I have both 😂

[subtle bluff]

M249/Mk46 are all the same.

[kind epoch]

oh...

[vernal tusk]

What about true patriot instead of tipping scales

@hasty sluice

[hasty sluice]

Isn't that 30% ammo cap not mag size?

[vernal tusk]

I dont remember

[hasty sluice]

Yeah just looked at the spreadsheet. Its 30% ammo cap. 3+ is 30% mag

[vernal tusk]

Ok, looks good, i was confused

[hasty sluice]

Who even remembers true patriot off hand lol

[vivid axle]

hmm what to change

[mighty kettle]

Missing an attachment on the pistol

[kind epoch]

so i swapped out coyote mask with an OD but swapped out the chest piece with P. Obli. what kills quicker in terms of RPMs? 249? mg5? carnage? I was having a weird experience with carnage because it wouldn't deal damage unless i was getting crit hits (this was from mid to far range. I dont usually like close quarter gun fights unless it's CD hence i go down often 😂)

[vivid axle]

why arent you critting with carnage

[tawny kindle]

Question about the system corruption...
Does the extra damage disappear if the bonus armor is gone from enemy damage?

[harsh orbit]

Hiya,
what talent to add to Lexington for striker build please? I was going to add Optimist

[solar sable]

Killer

[harsh orbit]

Yeah, just looking at that now. Thanks 👍

[dreamy tulip]

Turmoil drops from winter caches

[stone python]

I saw someone melting Krampus and his flowers what's that build?

[dreamy tulip]

on what difficulty?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, patch notes noted it's a drop from teh caches along with quickstep and other named items

[kind epoch]

im already capped but first few bullets dont engage crit and once my first few bullets register, i dont use cover so i leave myself wide open 😂 if crit doesnt kick in in time, im screwed LOOOL

[astral kraken]

backfire does the job ok

[subtle bluff]

#ask-td2-community message

[vivid axle]

brazen is bis for auto shotties correcT?

[subtle bluff]

For DPS yes.

[silent storm]

Riot Foam and Lockdown on Hunter's Fury? What's the thoughts on that?

[vivid axle]

i found it to drop off in usefulness incredibly fast

I may try it with a chainkiller+HSD hunters fury

[astral kraken]

uptime is gonna be pretty low

also adrush+intimidate without blue cores is gonna have low uptime as well

one hit and you'll lose all of your buffs

[vivid axle]

something like this would probably be fine with lockdown

obviously no PFE mods and a triple red Badger bag is a unicorn but thats the idea

badger hh chest+the gift would be probably better too

[subtle bluff]

No reason to use it... vs other shotgun talents that give more

[silent storm]

Maybe this instead?

With the Chainkiller?

[vivid axle]

just for fun

[vivid axle]

chainkiller is kinda a nonbo with oppor

idea with chainkiller is a worse rifle/hotshot build

[subtle bluff]

By no means is good nor is meta I just did for fun to see if it could be done.

[subtle bluff]

Both of those talents don't work together..

[hexed steppe]

hh setups need up front damage. opp is second shot damage boost

i think the only thing ide use outside of vigilance for hh would be memento... but even then youre still taking a damage hit till stacked

[vivid axle]

im trying this now

[vivid axle]

i think sometimes unstoppable force lets you get into hh for shotguns easier

at least makes the chained damage more forgiving if you miss some pellets

[gentle lichen]

It's good you included a photo of nature to alleviate my eyeballs

[vivid axle]

its not as bad as it looks

i was using a triple red badger bag at first

[rich cosmos]

Didn’t massive say they were gonna buff or rework true patriot

[strong cave]

Yes, Yannick did tease at it. They also promised specialist rework

[mental cove]

It’s sad not being able to give this Eagle Bearer to someone who needs it.

[astral kraken]

it's exactly as bad is it looks

sadly true patriot is one of the worst (if not the worst) gear set in the game rn

maybe rivaled by exuro

we've been requesting a buff for a long time now

[shy willow]

Get rigger up in there too

[glad heart]

Well wanting a buff and actually getting it are two different things. They won't buff, only nerf

[shy willow]

Resolve:

[frozen hull]

I see people wanting this sling shot weapon .. what’s special
About it ?

[shy willow]

Increased optimal range

[frozen hull]

Ohh ok nice I got an ok roll on it .. this makes up for the heart break of not getting any eagle bearers so far ahha

[thick meteor]

I'm getting so much damn rigger since I keep killing Krampuslauf, and I don't know what to do with them!!

[frozen hull]

I just break it down haha

[dreamy valve]

Time to try out some more Pestilence builds

[somber yarrow]

hey chat so I have a build with the new set I think its pretty good with 60% hit chance and 161% hit damage but my survaibility its pretty low, any advice regarding that? any thing to change? I used ninjabike kneepads because I didnt knew a better option. Thanks in advance

[strange magnet]

hi can anyone shair with me a build for summit and raid which is better St Elmo's Striker Red Core Striker vs king breaker with heartbreaker ?.

[subtle bluff]

Striker is the most powerful build since it can clear at all level of content.

[strong cave]

Striker. Heartbreaker is just a worse striker. And dont use Kingbreaker. It's bootycheeks

[livid sorrel]

Striker is better DPS, Heartbreaker has more survivability but needs Technician specialization for the pulse laser
Kingbreaker is not a good AR for HB, you're better off with any other high end AR(or lexington if you can get one) with flatline
Summit doesn't need any different builds, not sure about raids i've never played them

[strong cave]

Raids would prefer red striker build

[meager fog]

Kingbreaker is just not a good gun.

[subtle bluff]

Let the guy say something else.. He hasn't even responded back.. Wasted effort hehe.

[meager fog]

I didnt see all the other responses for some reason my phone loaded his question and then everyone else 🤣

[subtle bluff]

fair

[meager fog]

Mobile discord has been really buggy for me recently

[subtle bluff]

Ya the new update put a bunch of new features.

[livid sorrel]

anything to kill time while opening caches

[subtle bluff]

I didn't say this... but macros....

I let one play for 30 mins....

like 3k SHD ago.. I can't even now that I'm nearing 7k

[strange magnet]

is this good? or do you have better u can offer to me

[meager fog]

Replacing Fenris chest with Ceska/Unit alloys would be better

[subtle bluff]

Ceska for Elmo is still good

@meager fog cleaned up to see lil better.

[strange magnet]

unit eloy equalizer with perfect obliteteg ood?\

[meager fog]

Other than the chest, which is an acceptable replacement until you get a Ceska or UA, its a solid build

[meager fog]

Yes, Equaliser is pretty good.

[subtle bluff]

Better than Fenris

[strange magnet]

what talent should i use i return the game after 7 years i am noob\

[subtle bluff]

A LOT better. Maybe I should add that one on too.

[meager fog]

Obliterate is solid.

Or Glass cannon when you get better

[subtle bluff]

For a named Chest Piece?

[strange magnet]

everythink is the same in the picture only change chest with equalizer

[livid sorrel]

everyone already said ceska/equalizer chest so I'll say overdogs gloves

[meager fog]

Equaliser is a named piece, its talent cant be changed

[strange magnet]

yes or better chest or build u can shair as picture i can fallow

[subtle bluff]

Needs to be updated but mostly right other than what was already said here

[strange magnet]

wep will be St Elmo's Engine right

thx for everythink guys u cleared for me alot

[livid sorrel]

elmo's is fine and easy to use but a police m4 or lexington is more dps

[subtle bluff]

w/killer

[strong cave]

In groups, run strained

Measured would be fine too if going Ceska oblit

[magic pilot]

Eh strained is dead

[strong cave]

I mean, strained is still okay with ceska oblit. I wouldnt run it on unit alloys tho

still better off running killer or measured

[meager fog]

I just don't like that it's lost on reload tbh.

Losing 1 stack every 0.5 seconds would be better, faster reload = better stack retention

[strong cave]

yeah it feels like optimist but for crit damage

[woeful zodiac]

Is Stack Broker with Brazen good with 2x brazos, 2x unit alloys, eagle's grasp and ninjabike backpack?

[vivid axle]

im actually using it and saying its not as bad as it looks lol

[meager fog]

There is nothing that is good in PvE when using that backpack.

If you're looking for good shotgun builds, use the build guide in the pins

[mighty kettle]

Anyone have a pve bittersweet build?

[frozen hull]

True patriot was my very first gear set I built and used and I still have the same load out build you have there actually … i clear heroic missions on it and strong holds and open world stuff. It’s still usable but heartbreaker is just as tanky and clears stuff for me faster. Then of course strikers clears stuff even faster than that.

I’ll never get rid of that build tho it’s nostalgic and once in a while I’ll throw it on for fun.

I’ve been using that concentrated set solo the last few days to level up the gear to 10 towards prestige … using the drone and turret along with your companion .. that build is very nice

[hexed steppe]

then you try nego and all other sets just... fall off

[vivid axle]

yeah by no means is it good but im using it for the same reason. Plus i wanted to try out higher magazine size for oblit and stack broker

[frozen hull]

I absolutely love when the fireworks go off and you see little groups get destroyed

[frozen hull]

Definitely building that set next lol

[hasty sluice]

Is tipping scales good? never used it before... It seems like it would be kinda meh.

[solar sable]

pretty good tbh

i think it's one season old, it has been tested and I use it for almost anything with Overdogs

[hasty sluice]

seems like backpack is a must right?

[solar sable]

I cycle between these setups

[hasty sluice]

I dont understand how people run the sac ngl. I just stick to my comfy PS Obi chest

Ive yet to get a uni of it but some day.

[solar sable]

I just had to adapt and get better with PGC since it requires a different playstyle

I never used PGC on xbox but now that I'm on PC I just love it
I don't understand what I was thinking back there

[hasty sluice]

thats fair lol. It do be a massive free damage boost. I just cant play that way, skill issue on my part tbh .

[solar sable]

just make sure you're not crit starved and you're all good

[lament reef]

if you kill things faster then you take less damage

really it’s a survivability perk

[onyx sage]

i die in 2 shootz

[solar sable]

use blue cores then they're meta

[hasty sluice]

true true but having 25% armor on kill is so comfy lol

[solar sable]

some people like using Palisade on backfire strikers (no hazpro, yuck)

[hasty sluice]

running through things getting shot then just getting the armor back is fun af imo

[meager fog]

Just curious, why did you think that stacking CHD for just firing would be bad?

[hasty sluice]

Oh no I didnt think it would be bad its just wondering how it performed.

[lament reef]

yeah it would be worse if it ramped slower and stacks fell faster

but it works

try silent pistol prefiring before you take on a whole room

[hasty sluice]

Silent pistols are a thing??

[dreamy valve]

I like it with Bullet King, stack decay is even longer with it

[lament reef]

yeah you can put a silencer on most pistols

[hasty sluice]

no idea that effected threat or aggro.

[subtle bluff]

You’re using 2 things then don’t do more DMG here to note.
Stack Broker - is meant to just stack. They took its WD away to give it RPM. So in the end it does less.
NBB - will always a nerf any build peak DPS.

[surreal stream]

Just made it back to 40 after deciding to reroll for coming back. What's hot these days? (Probably mostly solo/matchmaking)

[meager fog]

Strikers

[surreal stream]

perfect I think I'm already sitting on a full set of it

there's no point to wearing more than 4 set pieces right? Ideal is 4 set and 2 exotics that play well with it?

[subtle bluff]

Yes, exotics and named aren’t always need for all builds. For this chest Ceska obli/GC or Named P. Obli and overdogs gloves

Look in the gearsheet if you’re looking for more info.

[surreal stream]

What I've found in my stash from 3 years ago is enough Strikers to make 4 set, Sawyer's kneepads, and some full-defensive Diamondback gloves

oh side question is there any way to upgrade set items level-wise or is the 35 Rigger set they gave me junk now?

[subtle bluff]

Junk

[surreal stream]

256 stash items I probably need to do a bunch of research and see what of it's not actually worth saving

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Gearsheet > Build Hub.
In the farm guide there's a small keep list.

[surreal stream]

Thanks

[tribal moth]

new to the game just hit 40 want set is easy for a new player to farm ?

[tulip charm]

Very. Countdown is your friend for farm.

[subtle bluff]

What I just mentioned above.

Starting 40 farm guide.

[surreal stream]

Keep lists per build or all for each author under one of their multiple builds links or is there a master keep list I'm not finding?

also is it me or has striker been continuously meta since D1?

[solar sable]

per type, Red DPS, Skill (yellow), Blue and Hybrids

[surreal stream]

I think I might be blind

[solar sable]

you're here?

[surreal stream]

oh am I lookin gfor the Starting lvl 40 Farm Guide & Unicorn gear list?

[solar sable]

ahhh

[onyx sage]

dammit Chow

[solar sable]

go down a bit

[surreal stream]

I just spotted that one is that actually the thing I'm looking for to do stash pruning off of?

[solar sable]

Hub Builds and then scroll a bit down
it's this thing Starting lvl 40 Farm Guide & Unicorn gear list

lol

[surreal stream]

OK perfect I think we're all on the same page now. Thanks.

now to actually go do WoNY since I hit 40 the moment I reached Haven

[solar sable]

you only need Decoy and both Sticky bombs tbh

[surreal stream]

maybe, but I do feel like I should actually finish the campaign on this character before I go into Brooklyn

anyway weapon wise I pulled a Chameleon out of storage to use until I find a good roll off the recommended list

[subtle bluff]

What did I do now?

[onyx sage]

absolutely nothing

[subtle bluff]

Damnit me!

[silent storm]

Since Pakhan comes with 15% CHC should I run CHD or DTA or something else on 3rd talent for Tipping Scales?

[astral kraken]

still chc

the main reason is that the 3rd stat gives you 9.5% chc which is better than ceska

that'll get you closer to the crit cap so you have more freedom with gear choices

[silent storm]

I have 6% CHC mods but only 11.9% CHD mods so I like to use CHC over CHD mods.

[astral kraken]

well with tipping it's best to hit the crit cap (even if going over) so you're utilizing its bonus

so any mod/attribute/etc that gives the highest chc is ideal

and 9.5% is really good

[silent storm]

gonna have to math this out to find the correct ratio

[subtle bluff]

Think of it has value per point. CHC value is higher and then stop once you hit CHC cap.
Also look at how much CHC and CHD is for weapons vs what you can put on gear.

Gear Crit stats:

• 6% CHC
• 12% CHD

Weapon stats:

• 9.5% CHC
• 10% CHD (iirc I don’t actually know off hand)

Someone correct me.

[astral kraken]

That only goes 0.5% over the cap

[subtle bluff]

You basically can round that 0.5% up.

[cerulean smelt]

No clue myself, think someone here said you want to be 2 to 1 ratio for damage to chance?

[astral kraken]

With that setup it's 60.5% CHC 141% CHD

Let's say you took a CHD attribute on the Pakhan. That would put you at 51% CHC and 151% CHD. But you need to hit crit cap so now you need 2 CHC mods to compensate which will lose you 24% CHD.

In the end you will have 60% CHC and 127% CHD.

60/141 vs 60/127

[silent storm]

The 15% is what makes it screwy because you are either over or 1-3 points below it

[subtle bluff]

TBH for TS you want to use P. Obli

[silent storm]

That doesn't change the CHC/CHD ratios

[subtle bluff]

It does. First off remember with TS you're building a ton fo CHD anyways and in doing so it's really important to hit CHC cap.

So losing CHD from the start isn't that bad.

[silent storm]

Yeah but you are either going to be over .5% or under 1-3%

[subtle bluff]

Just go over

it doesn't matter the loss since you're making it back up with TS stacks

The lost of a few 12 to 24 CHD vs beint at 58% when you've pasted 200 CHD is a lot in the DPS

[silent storm]

Would be so much easier if they would just drop 12% CHD mods for me lol

[subtle bluff]

Did that make sense to you?

Or do you want to see the build and math?

[silent storm]

Well I guess it doesn't matter because I just realized that I don't have the Pakhan BP anyway

So stuck with it as CHD on 3rd talent

[subtle bluff]

It doesn’t matter if it was Pakhan anyways it’s the same thought with TS or BF

[subtle bluff]

You mean Stats or Attribute

[silent storm]

Attribute

[subtle bluff]

Wait…. You have Pakhan or not?

[astral kraken]

you can reconfigure no?

[subtle bluff]

You just said both………

[silent storm]

I have Pakhan just not the BP

[subtle bluff]

Buy it?

[silent storm]

Doesn't show up to buy

[subtle bluff]

Right not BP Backpack but BP Blueprint…

[astral kraken]

If you have the Pakhan you should be able to reconfigure it.

[subtle bluff]

Have you check if you could or not? I know that was the season they messed that up

[silent storm]

I cannot

[subtle bluff]

Did you just get Pakhan?

[astral kraken]

The blueprint is used to craft one from scratch.

Talk to Inaya? Forgot how that works.

I remember she had reconfigure blueprints for me in the past.

[subtle bluff]

It not there. This was the season they messed up reconfig blueprints

[silent storm]

Maybe I need to be on the character that got it?

[subtle bluff]

BPS

[subtle bluff]

When did you loot Pakhan?

[silent storm]

Been sitting in my stash for a while

not sure when I got it I just never used it til now and want to try it

[subtle bluff]

Ya idk then. I know it’s been talked about but idk how to fix it.

[silent storm]

Mine is looted though

Might have been a DZ drop because I tend to just stash all of those until later

[astral kraken]

Ran the numbers and ceska is 4% more mag damage, 0.4% less burst, 1.1% more sustain

Yea equalizer is probably better since you stack up faster

Damage difference shouldn't be noticeable

[subtle bluff]

For TS on what weapon?

[astral kraken]

pakhan grade 18

[subtle bluff]

IT should be more burst if nothing

Did you change the RoF?

[astral kraken]

yep

equalizer is more burst

by 0.4% tho

[subtle bluff]

You said less!!!

[silent storm]

630 doesn't seem a big leap in DPS compared to 600

[astral kraken]

I said ceska

[subtle bluff]

BRB.. I need to see this

[astral kraken]

Ran the numbers and **ceska **is 4% more mag damage, 0.4% **less **burst, 1.1% more sustain

That also assumes you're at max stacks with equalizer you'll get to max stacks faster

[silent storm]

What do you consider sustain in the equation?

[astral kraken]

It just factors in reloads basically

Since reload time is time spent not shooting

[silent storm]

Reload should be the same though

mag dumps would be faster though on P.Obl

[astral kraken]

Yea but your damage per mag is higher with ceska

It's close tho, only 1%

And the reload time on pakhan is hella slow

[silent storm]

I don't get how 4% amp could be 4% less DMG

[astral kraken]

Where are you getting 4% amp?

[silent storm]

are you not compensating for the 8% lost CHC ?

[astral kraken]

Perfect obliterate is 24% twd and ceska glass is 25% amp

[subtle bluff]

Rowdy stop trying to know how the numbers work…

[astral kraken]

bruh chill lol

[silent storm]

Oh Ceska glass

[astral kraken]

Yea ceska b/c you're crit starved so it helps get to crit cap

[silent storm]

I though he was talking Ceska Obl

[astral kraken]

i just ran a few rooms of dua with it and it's pretty fun tbh

i dunno how it'll scale with 4 players tho, might be hard

[astral kraken]

yep thats what i got

the one thing the calcs dont show is time to max stacks

which is gonna be better with p.obli obviously

[subtle bluff]

Ya that's a thing that's hard to show.

It's double RoF that's better.

Here @silent storm

[silent storm]

It finally happened.

Yeah it don't matter now, Tipping Scales is a bust on the Krampus bounty. Just use Bluescreen Dilemma and cake walk them all in like 3 minutes

[silent storm]

This worth keeping? Saw a lot of people saying it was nerfed but I've never used it

[dreamy valve]

Six12 is a dead weapon

Scorpio still has utility though

[rich lotus]

I never used it, but a big fan of Scorpio, Culebre, and the Like Glue

[silent storm]

So trash it then?

[rich lotus]

IMO yes

That marine super 90, or tac SBS will serve you better

[silent storm]

Yeah Super 90 been one of my favs since D1

[rich lotus]

So good

Scorpio is such a crutch weapon, I try to intentionally not use it

[silent storm]

I like Scorpio now that I was turned on to it

[rich lotus]

I use it with eclipse protocol + vile, it's pretty nasty with that build

[lament birch]

I am currently cooking.

How’s it looking? :0

[subtle bluff]

Six12 is still usable no where near what it use to be.

[hexed steppe]

fire ep or cc variant?

[silent storm]

Everyone posting Eagle Bearer drops on Youtube, yet I see Elmos constantly. Eagle Bearer that good that I should pull mine out or is it just because it's hard to get?

[cosmic wing]

When running a normal strikers build, is it better to run ceska with glass or sacrifice?

[rich lotus]

fire with a pyromaniac

[hexed steppe]

you should really try capacitor then. 12%dta, 60% skill damage is huge for fire. test it in the range, just make sure its stacked before deploying

cc version scorpio is better

in sync shotgun also good for fire builds. same reasons

[silent storm]

Pyromaniac is a fun gun I have used it on my Exo build for a long time.

[hexed steppe]

every time i think youve made it, you bring up something like exuro

[silent storm]

Was my first full gearset that I loved

That wasn't Striker

[hexed steppe]

oh lord help us, we'll beat the blasphemy out of you yet

[astral kraken]

Rowdy is enjoying every inch of content in this game

[hexed steppe]

of that, there is no doubt

[silent storm]

Flame Turret and Firestarter with a Pyromaniac was my go to for a good bit of time for CC

[astral kraken]

when someone deploys that thing my visibility goes to zero

[silent storm]

Called it the Cleaner build

[astral kraken]

Cleaner cleaner

[silent storm]

Everything burns

[astral kraken]

including your tm8's eyeballs

[silent storm]

And I could stand right on top of my turret and just launch fire nades

I also used the flamethrower with it.

To make the build be hated more I used Trauma and Wicked with it

Wanted an Anarchist Cookbook so bad with CHC and CHD and still that piece eludes me

[livid sorrel]

what's so good about ouroboros

[lament birch]

I love my Chatterbox :DD

[vivid axle]

like fenris mask and foxes is prob better but what else

overdogs i kinda hate all builds warp around using the epic insane damage gloves

[subtle bluff]

has the highest burst of all weapons till talents kick in.

[jade sphinx]

I'm getting almost 3 million damage per headshot and more on critical with this gun, it's crazy even on a striker build

Any builds yall would recommend with this rifle? Love the fire rate, reload, and damage output of it.

[cosmic wing]

For a normal strikers build is ceska with glass cannon or sacrifice better?

[solar sable]

whatever you like most, tbh I would go Equalizer instead of ceska

[astral kraken]

Are you using Overdogs?

[cosmic wing]

Yes

[astral kraken]

Ceska+Glass is 2% better than Sacrifice

If your headshot rate is greater than 20% then Sacrifice will be better against anything with heads.

[cosmic wing]

What about with coyotes?

[astral kraken]

I haven't ran the numbers on that but if you're running Coyote just run Overdogs instead.

The 30% amp from overdogs is just too good.

In general though Ceska will win because it's giving you crit whereas Sacrifice is giving you headshot damage.

The 5% amp from sacrifice shouldn't overtake that crit gain you get from Ceska. But again I haven't ran the numbers for Coyote. With Coyote in optimal range Sacrifice might end up ahead (or even) because of the diminishing return on crit.

[cosmic wing]

That’s what I was wondering if 5 amp is better than 8 crit

[astral kraken]

The thing is it'll be so close it still won't be worth it.

Because you're not always fighting in Coyote optimal range anyway.

Just run ceska glass and call it done IMO.

[subtle bluff]

For MMR's Hotshot.

[astral kraken]

@hexed steppe So I gave CoCo a try... DUA garage was a 56 second slaughter! haha

In the right conditions it's definitely a monster.

My only issue was the buildup. Is there a trick to gaining the stacks a bit faster?

I was running ceska glass and overdogs with it

[solar sable]

issue is that's a named 1886 rifle

[subtle bluff]

He said MMR not Rifle

[solar sable]

then how do we help if the message says MMR and the image shows a rifle 😭

[subtle bluff]

I know he points to a rifle.

[solar sable]

I'm confused, sir Chow

[subtle bluff]

Not really worried since he hasn't replied back.

Oh he's reacted.

Striker, pointed a Rifle but said MMR.. Idk...
@jade sphinx btw this is what you said.

What's your actually context of what you want to do?

[jade sphinx]

Okay? It's a typo on my end, I get it. Rifle. Messed up.

[solar sable]

nono, I'm not making an argument over this, nonono

[subtle bluff]

I answer a question.

[jade sphinx]

I was just saying that it felt good to use and I didn't know if there were anyone that used this weapon (or weapon type) on a specific build.

[subtle bluff]

I'll just leave this here

[solar sable]

hmmm, yeah, what Chow suggested is great tho

[solar sable]

no need to explain bud, I was just confused

[subtle bluff]

It's a very mid weapon. Due to it's nothing really working well with it.

This is the best a rifle build can do.

[solar sable]

I know OD is meta for rifles but what about HE again? I keep forgetting about it

[subtle bluff]

not for DPS.

[solar sable]

ah that's why I forget

[strong cave]

High end isn't quite meta but if built properly it does the job

[lament birch]

I feel like the game is telling me to do something.

[thick meteor]

When I get back from this party I'll show case the build I have going on, so I can get some tips

[patent fossil]

@thick meteor stack broker is ok, some form of acs-12 is fairly essential if you insist on running the striker chest.
For memento you can target farm backpacks in countdown/retaliations, or random exotics from priority targets, or get the crafting blueprint from retaliations

[thick meteor]

I'll try my best to grind outcast retals, but I hate doing the compound on heroic

[restive python]

Is Goalie good for an OD bleed build?

[hexed steppe]

stacks are based on damage sources, the only thing you could do solo to build the stacks faster would be to add a drone on top of your turret. that would generate 3 stacks per kill. also the mark doesnt last a long time so getting the kill without having to apply another mark will speed it up a bit. for solo leg its probably pretty slow to stack. i havent tested if the companion damage counts as a stack source yet, so that may be another way to stack faster.

[scenic whale]

Most runs I’ve seen with CoCo just pre stacks it before going in, not sure how “fair” that is but it does solve a good chunk of issues

[mint marlin]

running 4 pc strikers with overdogs. which is better for chest? Equalizer or ceska obliterate or gs?

[strong cave]

Equalizer or Ceska. Don't take Grupo

I personally say Ceska for more sustained damage. Equalizer for Heroic content and lower

[mint marlin]

Aight got it. With my luck, ill prob get the perfect ceska next week 💀

[strong cave]

I mean, you don't have to drop a perfect ceska + crits chest piece to change the talent. Could just look for one with oblit + 1 crit roll and roll for double crit

It'll work as a placeholder until you do get the double crit roll

[subtle bluff]

Sadist talent is 30% amp.

[subtle bluff]

Also.... I answered you on a different server with a guide that should answer this. Looks like you didn't even read the guide.

[tawdry raven]

is this the best in slot build for oreo now?

[subtle bluff]

No.

Salvo isn't BiS when you already have a ton of RPM on a weapon like Ouro.

[tawdry raven]

what about coyote mask and equilizer chest?

[subtle bluff]

Again you don't need more ROF. The chest is fine.
Overdogs for the last piece works better.

[astral kraken]

Equalizer and overdogs is what you want

[kind epoch]

what shield does everyone use?

[lament reef]

the one from the flamethrower, or the crusader one that lets you use most weapons

[subtle bluff]

Um.. Depends what you're on?

[subtle bluff]

Also stop putting exp on your armor. It's not worth.

[tawdry raven]

not when u had infinite components

[kind epoch]

chatterbox on strikers with wicked and p. obli

[tawdry raven]

is overdogs u focus the weakest enemies first

[subtle bluff]

You don't anymore....

[solar sable]

wicked on strikers...?

[subtle bluff]

How does wicked work on this build?

[tawdry raven]

thats why i said had, it may be gone but it def got milked

[subtle bluff]

No?

[onyx sage]

u focus on the tier 3 enemies if they exist, then tier 2, then tier 1

[kind epoch]

i've got the most chc and chd on that one (with the mod)...but good point

[kind epoch]

i did have memento previously but i kept rushing in way too hard and killed repeatedly 😂

[subtle bluff]

Honestly you don't wanna use chatter on striker

Chatter isn't simple to use.

[kind epoch]

oh... i was thinking to utilize the rate of fire

[solar sable]

missclick lol

[subtle bluff]

You see the issue of the last 2 things you said.

What makes chatter good?

[kind epoch]

the rate of fire 😅

[subtle bluff]

Why and how is it top of the burst charts?

[subtle bluff]

How do you get it?

[astral kraken]

@tawdry raven So conclusions from that are:

• If not using striker chest, use Equalizer and Overdogs
• If using striker chest, use Ceska and Overdogs
• If not using Overdogs, use Equalizer and Ceska

[kind epoch]

upon reload

[subtle bluff]

And?

Not only reloading.

[kind epoch]

i actually dont have a clue. i havent noticed it anywhere else

[subtle bluff]

Read the talent again.

[onyx sage]

it only gives you the bonus if you reload them around enemies, up to 5. now think about how often or convenient reloading around 5 enemies within a close range of you really is

[subtle bluff]

Or someone explains better than I can.

[kind epoch]

not very. that's how i got killed every time LOL i keep getting surrounded

[subtle bluff]

Now to the other half..

Why it's not recommended to use Striker with chatter.

I've posted a video running it.

[astral kraken]

Thanks, that helped. Turret and drone made it pretty straightforward. I didn't realize the marks disappear so quickly.

[kind epoch]

other half is ammo refill

so rate of fire doesn't mesh well with fast reload?

[onyx sage]

which is only going to trigger if you can kill enemies within the mag. and it's only sustainable if you kill them within the first half of the mag. as soon as this condition stops being fulfilled (by the enemies being too tanky) you are forced to reload, which you know messes up with the first half

the ammo refill only refills half your mag, so enemies have to die within the first half

[subtle bluff]

The build choice...

[kind epoch]

i mean it's either that, or OD, or neggo. i tried OD and i got killed even quicker 😂

[frozen hull]

I believe the companion also helps … I build up the stacks pretty fast when I have all three … I’ve been using it on heroic and it’s been an absolute monster once the stacks are up

[kind epoch]

i honestly have no clue what set would compliment this weapon because i paired it with a lmg

[onyx sage]

the answer is the weapon doesn't really work above a certain threshold for its intended purpose

and if you're going to use the weapon, you're not gonna swap off it because the talent will be gone and you'll lose the rpm buff

[frozen hull]

And I love using drone and turret so it matched a preferred play style of mine … strikers I feel like still melts better tho but I like they the drone and companion take some of the pressure off of me

[onyx sage]

how do u get that profile pic, that's an upgrade over mine

[kind epoch]

oh 😂 that's why

[frozen hull]

I had it made with ai .. just told it to make it Pixar style and it did

[lament reef]

holy shit

it’s the above average player

[onyx sage]

ikr

[onyx sage]

gonna try that, this is epic

[subtle bluff]

It’s not simple to use. HF is best with it but remembering to not reload and being able to be really accurate with your burst makes it a not easy weapon to use.

[kind epoch]

yeah i can see why 😂

[subtle bluff]

You can go to my YouTube and see I did 2 videos with it but I used event modifiers for it to look good.

[kind epoch]

yeah what's your youtube channel? i tried to look it up the other day and couldnt' find it 😂

[subtle bluff]

My bio there's a link to a video you can find the rest from there.

[kind epoch]

fs. thanks 👍

[kind epoch]

hold up. you said event modifiers. what does that mean?

[subtle bluff]

There in the title. Otherwise search what they did.

[kind epoch]

yeah s*** i completely missed GB (unless if that doesn't matter)

[scenic basin]

looking for a tanky but high dmg build to help carry legendry mm runs and also a good build for Skirmish

[astral kraken]

tanky players dont carry, they get carried

if you want to carry in leggo mm run glass red and play well

[scenic basin]

im running striker full red and just swaped off glass, getting 1 tapped was anoying xD

[astral kraken]

there is no one tap, you have healthgate

watch ppl that do solo runs with red builds on YT and learn the positions they use

[subtle bluff]

A build doesn't carry leggo.

[solar sable]

"It's not the car you drive, it's the driver who's driving the car that's doing the driving"

[kind epoch]

not in today's world with autonomous driving teslas 😂

[subtle bluff]

I use to work in the better of that industry. Tesla is just worse… It’s in my YouTube shorts….

[lament birch]

I’m running a unit alloy (2 pieces), mementos, Walker/Harris mask, steel plate chest and Magazine gloves— with Chatterbox instead of Elmo’s lol

[subtle bluff]

Why 2 pcs UA? For chatterbox?

[hallow arch]

UA for Chatterbox?? If you're running Chatterbox do Sokolov

[lament birch]

I forgot to swap the Box for the Engine, was too excited to test out my new gun

[lament birch]

I got caught in the thrill, I forgor to swap out lol

[hallow arch]

fair enough lol

[lament birch]

I could finally make an alternative build for my SMG/Shotgun combo with Hunters though—

[subtle bluff]

I'd still question this build overall. There better ways to run it with the same mindset but more DPS.

[lament birch]

She shoots so faaaasssttt~~~!!!!

[lament birch]

The Harris mask is a substitute for the third UA piece

And I still use my Stack Broker for an another option when my main gun is dry

[subtle bluff]

That even makes me question the overall build more if you use stacker

[kind epoch]

jesus 😂 at least it's kinda, sorta better now? im still anti tesla LOL

[lament birch]

To be fair, I had this build in mind at the spur of the moment while bounty hunting and retaliation repelling with my buddy

[restive python]

Nah, i did read it. Wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion

[lament birch]

And I like Stacker, it’s a handy gun

[subtle bluff]

To note this is a build advice channel.

[subtle bluff]

Not when using it for it's purposes vs normal acs12

[kind epoch]

so is there a possible setup for chatterbox or it's out of my realm?

[subtle bluff]

You'll see a lot of the main people with the knowledge are in most of the discords helping.

[subtle bluff]

I'd say do it later for fun. Learn the game.

Or wait for the next event that's coming up in January

[lament birch]

Ooohhh

I got a Caretaker! With maximum rolls + DOOC

[kind epoch]

sounds good

[subtle bluff]

You'll find it's ok.

[kind epoch]

think caretaker all come in max rolls, i got one with ar dmg, health, and dttooc

[subtle bluff]

You can understand why I am questioning someone build using Stack Broker on a non stacking build..

[lament birch]

That’s the same one/only one I got too

[kind epoch]

yessir, i do

[kind epoch]

why i wont question when you say to do it later for fun and learn the game

[lament birch]

She’s a fun gun to have as a back up :))

Plus my other AA’s aren’t greatest in the case of rolls

[strong cave]

Lefty > Rock and Roll > Stack Broker

I'm living and dying on that hill

[subtle bluff]

No no... He's attempting to use it as a DPS weapon...

[lament birch]

I prefer Brazen to Sledgehammer

[strong cave]

Literally a KSG with pummel is a better DPS weapon esp if you pair it with Brazen on tinkerer setups

You can 1 pump mf's 🤣

[lament birch]

I have a Thorn with max rolls too lol

[strong cave]

Eh KSG holds 12 and 3 mods slots

[lament birch]

My luck when getting good KSG’s are not the best

And that was my favorite shotgun as a support player in Killing Floor 1

[strong cave]

MW3 / BO2 haunted me

[lament birch]

I got a decent 6-12 though

[subtle bluff]

I have 2 different videos doing this.

[lament birch]

And I have a custom M870 with max rolls and brazen too

[lament birch]

The MP7 and Vector were my go-to’s there

[strong cave]

💯 wonder what the builds are

[strong cave]

M870 is okay but makes it sucky with pummel

[lament birch]

It reminds me of the M90 shotgun from Halo :DD

Also I’ve swapped back to the Elmo’s and swapped in Lefty since I like to use grenade to start off my fights half of the time

[lament birch]

I’ve been using Stack Broker or the regular AA

Haven’t given the other two their proper shares

[last schooner]

is there any reason to keep any overlord pcs apart from fox prayers?

[subtle bluff]

It's in the farm guide.

[last schooner]

build hub spreadsheet?

[solar sable]

check the pins

[last schooner]

yeah i know of the build hub spreadsheet, just can't find the farming guide there.

ah nevermind found it. sorry!

[silent storm]

Looking at Cloak, it really is crazy work to have a gear piece that adds 100% Threat and then 50% Reduced Threat. What would you ever even use that on?

[subtle bluff]

@thick meteor
HF - is CQC gearset. The faster you kill the more stuff that will happen. Its power is in CQB.
HB - is kind like Strikers but a “tougher” version of it with a few drawbacks.

[thick meteor]

I might go with heartbreaker, since I'm running a pretty neat striker build, but I'd like some more survivability

[subtle bluff]

To note a 0 Tier Decoy has 100% Threat
From testing the 50% Reduced I’m still able to pull Argo.

[subtle bluff]

In the Build Hub there some more pointers for it.

[thick meteor]

Ah, alright, thank you

[silent storm]

That is my point, you still have +50% Threat

[subtle bluff]

K?

Context?

[silent storm]

Seems like a dumb design choice to me, a handicap disguised as a buff

[subtle bluff]

So is a lot of stuff in this game.

[silent storm]

Just something I was thinking about because I am getting so many of them today farming keys

[subtle bluff]

But also using IA for anything but solo isn’t great.

[astral kraken]

Yea I tried switching to 3pc IA for highend regulus and switched back

I really felt the aggro increase

[subtle bluff]

I kind find it funny no has tried to make a build with it to “tank” but we really know the reason why they haven’t… Does give me a reallllly off meta idea…

[silent storm]

If there was a kit like D3 that was reliable I could see it work but to max the Shield you are so weak and will lose threat anyway by lack of DMG

That is why D3 was so strong in D1, you could game the threat system through weapon mods and the kit itslef did respecable DMG

Add the House to it and it was an middle upper tier DPS that was neigh unkillable

[subtle bluff]

I’ve said this before I don’t care about D1 stuff. We’re in Div2

You have no idea what I am thinking about to do. Nor do I think anyone would…

[silent storm]

I don't proport to be a clairvoyant

[subtle bluff]

Stop going off topic.

[silent storm]

We have Shields in this game

and as much as you hate it D1 is in universe

Plus they have Striker in this game which was one of the original gear sets

[subtle bluff]

I wasn’t talking about Shield even. So you have no idea what I am thinking about.

[calm tree]

Whats the meta rn? Engine with skelly gloves?

[subtle bluff]

Stop trying to think you understand stuff about me. I’ve never said I hate D1, it just has nothing to do with this channel.

[subtle bluff]

Striker Overdogs then it depends on the weapon.

We’re still all testing it (I need P. Obli) first. But the difference is only up to 2% but then it depends on the weapons.

[sacred coral]

is there a known bug pertaining to heartbreaker stacks not accumulating?
wearin' 4pc HB with caretaker + laser pointer and i'm getting zero stacks.

[subtle bluff]

Low RPM makes it feel really bad.

I forget what G36 RPM is again

[sacred coral]

750

[subtle bluff]

So lil over 12 bullets per second.

[onyx sage]

what you're shooting at also matters. it won't build stacks on skill proxies

^ this is intentional btw

[surreal stream]

Generally speaking outside of the handful of unicorn items how farmable is stuff these days? Like how much will I be kicking myself if I scrap a bunch of stuff in my stash then in a month or two go to try a new build and realize I'd dumped something it wants?

[subtle bluff]

pretty easy.

The Farm Guide should have you cover for unicorns.

[surreal stream]

and does recalibration still have limits or can you do both the non-core attribute and the talent now?

[subtle bluff]

You can rerolling only one things but you can reroll as many times as you want.

That should be in the farm guide too if not in the pinned of #ask-td2-community there’s a section covering it.

Gearset are easy to farm I’ll put that in.

[surreal stream]

I wasn't gonna trash those anyway lol. Mostly I'm just trying to not have this cleanout end in me checking every item I own against every single build guide to make sure I don't toss anything too good

though I do question past me's decision to keep four Mengu masks

[subtle bluff]

Like I said the farm guide has a list.

[surreal stream]

Yeah that's just my annoying compulsion to also keep nice horses in addition to the unicorns

[subtle bluff]

I am a hoarder so I know. Why I made a unicorn list.

[surreal stream]

the wording on the weapon part's tripping me up a bit is it targets out of cover for non lmgs (since it's their core attribute) and crit chance on anything (I guess excluding SMGs because it's their core)?

[subtle bluff]

The idea is you want to talent slot open to be re-rolled

DTTooC is the best weapon stats. LMG DTTooC is its core stats so CHC is its best.

[surreal stream]

Got it. Thanks.