td2-build-advice

[lament birch]

Stoner and GR9, my lovelies

[subtle bluff]

Mk46 for usability and uptime

[lament birch]

I almost forgot about Betty

I call my 249 that :3

[mighty kettle]

Anyone know the drop rate for the bluesceen on heroic summit? Ran 300 floors are never saw it. Got 1 Iron lung the entire time

[magic pilot]

RNG is RNG

Summit has a low overall exotic drop rate on heroic

[strong cave]

The counter point is doing summit boss floor farms. That is fairly efficient

[scenic whale]

Frenzy to me is like measured with more work, I can just play a measured LMG finish half my mag fast then if I really feel the second half RPM cut (which I still don’t)just reload early

And now I’m not screwed for trying to position instead of letting frenzy run out

[strong cave]

I personally would just run killer

[uncut haven]

playing with the new brand set, tried to create something that has all the damage from the get go without the need to ramp up

[magic pilot]

For non PGC version, equalizer is bis. To replace providence pieces I'd run ceska/grupo in place

[hallow arch]

OD Rifle build in progress @honest moss
The idea is to use Banshee pulse to proc both hollow points and perfect vindictive with Grudge, and then swap to a rifle with killer (which I don't have yet) and also proc'ing long range coyote buff, the only problems afaik are the CHC and CHD, and the backpack

Also I might replace banshee for emp sticky once I get it for warhounds (and other non human enemies), but I'll probably use both interchangeably, the shield is for survivability

and I might replace the M1A, 11 rounds aren't enough despite the damage

[magic pilot]

I would not rely on long range coyotes buff

It's not consistent enough

[mighty kettle]

What would be a better way to farm for it? The manhunt that has the bluescreen blue print? Or run countdown and rely on exotic caches?

[hallow arch]

ahhh knew it, but I honestly have no idea how I can raise the CHC without lowering CHD

[magic pilot]

Countdown and target lmg

[magic pilot]

Ceska backpack will net you more chc and chd, coyotes mid buff can be somewhat reliable

[hallow arch]

Ceska with wicked, got it

[torpid hollow]

does hunters fury trigger Galvanize?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[torpid hollow]

nice

[sharp folio]

What exactly are healer builds?

Do you like just support your teammates or?

[torpid hollow]

what are teammates?!?!

[sharp folio]

Good question

[lament reef]

yeah you use something like future initiative and run healing hive/healing chem/healing drone etc

[torpid hollow]

as far as i can tell div2 is a single player game where you sometimes see other people in town

[sharp folio]

Ah gotcha, so the weapon choice also barely matters, right?

[mighty kettle]

Thanks

[torpid hollow]

maybe something that buffs skill healing or repair?

[lament reef]

Nah, you want to use something useful, like scorpio or lefty with perfect sledgehammer

[sharp folio]

How do I get one of those?

[torpid hollow]

ive always found nades to be super useless, the most i get out of them is making someone move out of cover so i can shoot them

[cerulean smelt]

scorpio is in the loot pool, so you can do priority objectives/retaliations or just shotgun target loot

[lament reef]

yeah

[lament reef]

yeah the damage is usually bad but sledgehammer is nuts

[sharp folio]

What does perfect sledgehammer do anyway?

Never had a weapon with it

[torpid hollow]

its not the damage its jsut that i dont think ive ever actully hit anyone with them

[lament reef]

grenades apply a mark, marked targets get a multiplicative debuff to take more armor damage

not great in normal gameplay, but very nice in raids, which is the main place you need a healer

[sharp folio]

On heroic right?

[lament reef]

heroic is a build check

legendary in groups is maybe another healer scenario but you can also just 4dps that

[sharp folio]

Gotcha

[cerulean smelt]

like they said, sledgehammer is hard to apply in normal game play as most npcs will just avoid the grenades in general unless you time it right as they spawn and come out of a door or something

[hallow arch]

Ah crap forgot ask, even if the long range coyote buff won't work the idea is solid right?

[cerulean smelt]

think it's more of you can't keep the long buff indefinitely as nothing stays at range in general

[wide kite]

Hi,
Do you have some recommendation for good PvP build?

[versed summit]

the pinned spreadsheet has a great PvP build guide

[wide kite]

Where I can find it? I had to completely miss it

[versed summit]

#td2-build-advice message

[hallow arch]

I guess, but really the idea was to proc perfect vindictive and OD, then switch to the rifle that has killer for more dmg and whatnot

Which thinking about it, would mean I'd proc the close range buff more often

[sullen night]

Does "amplified weapon damage" mean the damage is multiplicative instead of additive?

[versed summit]

If you're using OD Sadist is your best option.

[buoyant perch]

It's amp1 x amp 2 x ... x ampN in the equation

So always multiplicative, even with each other amp source

[hallow arch]

Hmmm probably, but I don't have sadist on my rifles sadly so Imma just keep farming

But Imma keep the killer rifle for now, it's got good stats lol

[ashen violet]

wouldnt reccomend OD with rifles

[ashen violet]

it kind of works best with LMGs just because of the mag size giving you that buffer

[magic pilot]

#td2-build-advice message

[magic pilot]

Idk OD rifles looks good to me

[bright raptor]

yes, you can only really expect to get consistent grenade damage on the big guys with plate armor everywhere, or those in the sniper nests some missions have. The Sledgehammer buff is real good against the big guys

The rest of the time you've forcing enemies out of cover.

[ashen violet]

that was a damage example, in all practicality it would be best to use an lmg since you have extra bullets to work with. specifically the m249 B/tactical m249 para/military mk46 since it has higest burst dps out of all the lmgs that are over 50 round mags

[magic pilot]

I run an LMG with OD so I understand the thought process. it does also work really well with rifles though

[dreamy valve]

What’s the longest oxidizer duration you guys can get normally without overcharging for your Oxidizer build?

[magic pilot]

On a normal oxi build or a max duration build?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah max duration

[magic pilot]

Not sure honestly

[ashen violet]

how powerful is beacon?
i remember people saying it was bad in the playtest but now i hear people recomending it.

[lone kelp]

it depends on how many people are in ur team

[versed summit]

it did get buffed

[hallow arch]

yeah I'm not ready for OD rifle yet

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FjIWNwn38ru8QHFF8XOi7VBizwWybGwqP2CYD59CPOw/

[hallow arch]

I mean it works but there's a LOT of things holding it back smh

[tardy nacelle]

for the HB build u fellas using full red, right?

[magic pilot]

Full red or Ikia techtank

[subtle bluff]

It's usable not great but usable. If you search my name and videos for OD rifles you'll see it very much works.

[tardy nacelle]

Ah this is going to be hell to farm up at high enough % chc/chd rolls

[lament reef]

yeah it’s rough when you gotta core change

[meager fog]

Yep, Heartbreaker is a notoriously difficult farm

Rolling against the core twice is hard enough, but getting decent rolls while doing it lol

It's almost as fun as the Lengmo farm XD

[stone python]

Hello D2 buiders

[dreamy valve]

I’ve yet to get a Hasburg backpack with hsd/wh

[meager fog]

Ive had one single god rolled piece of Lengmo

[dreamy valve]

But I don’t feel like target farming it since I have other distractions

[dreamy valve]

Got my Oxi to 43 second duration, at least in the game’s description. I gotta test if this is correct

[lament reef]

running PGC not just because it’s better for pesti, but because it’s easier to get than unicorn lengmo chest

[magic pilot]

What's the build?

[dreamy valve]

Yellow Oxi build specced for skill damage and duration

[cerulean smelt]

is it with the 15% or 30% skill efficiency modifiers?

[sharp folio]

I just found a "striker tank build", not sure if that's possible so I'm asking here

[cerulean smelt]

it's possible but you do a whole lot less damage compared to an all red striker

[dreamy valve]

Yeah 15% skill efficiency modifiers, that’s why I’m running it lmao. Overcharge sometimes kill me, I might need to switch some settings around to see the clouds better whenever I fart one out

[sharp folio]

Wait let me send the build screenshot (this is from "EllisDee789" youtuber video)

I genuinely don't know what to feel about this build

[lament reef]

you could run that, but it would be kind of miserable to farm and it would be worse than just normal striker

[sharp folio]

No I wouldn't run it, just wanted to ask about this build

[cerulean smelt]

didn't i call it. the 20% haz pro would make it's enterance with striker backfire build

[sharp folio]

I'm gonna be running the spreadsheet builds because I don't know if a build is good or not yet and people say that the spreadsheet ones are ok'ish

Or good I forgot

[cerulean smelt]

most of these builds the youtubers/twitch show cases usually is for a specific season because it gives x to it. the ones in the Pins in the upper right hand corner here works without modifiers added

[sharp folio]

I know

[fiery gust]

It's probably important to note that any of these tank configuration are very niche. It's not something you would normally want to run as your everyday build. They work great for some specific things, but otherwise the general consensus is to play an all red version because not only is DPS (red cores/attributes) king, it also helps you develop as a player by learning cover mechanics, what you can and can't get away with, etc.

[clever merlin]

whats does everyone build for tipping scales?

[meager fog]

All that blue is entirely unecessary

[cerulean smelt]

i went red chc on tipping, 1 he with chance/damage. using gr9 with frenzy

[meager fog]

Cap CHC at 60%, rest into CHD. 60% CHC is minimum, even if you go over

[dreamy valve]

I run that build, but with AC12 as main weapon lol. That and a shield/defender drone. Sometimes you gotta test builds out yourself in the game before taking someone’s advice at full face value, cause you might like some loadouts or gear people online would steer you away from or even endorse. No one has a complete authority on builds, so you can start tweaking existing build concepts as a skeleton blueprint to cater to your own playstyle after you get more experience with the game.

[sharp folio]

I don't have high enough watch lvl to actually test out the builds, you know?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah you can worry about custom builds later. So yes, Striker tank build is entirely possible, just gotta know how to play it. The pinned spreadsheet is more about guidelines than a hardline set of rules of how to build loadouts.

[clever merlin]

do i need chest and BP or only 1 for tipping?

[cerulean smelt]

think i skipped the chest because it's just increases the stacks which you can't keep up anyways

[meager fog]

BP because more CHD per stack

[fiery gust]

Tbh most actual good builds don't really require the SHD watch bonus stats. If they do, they're probably junk for the most part. Sure, those stats are great, but they are not build defining. That said, make what interests you. If it doesn't perform well, it's probably a bad (or suboptimal) setup, so you can try something else.

[meager fog]

Chest is similar to strikers, not really useful outside of Lego/Master

[clever merlin]

so mask BP holster pads and obli chest contractors?

[cerulean smelt]

or over dogs

[clever merlin]

is overdogs really that good?

[lament reef]

the only SHD watch interaction that really matters is the crit chance, that is a huge amount that you are just missing if you aren’t high enough

[meager fog]

For DPS yes, it's amongst the best pieces

[lament reef]

free 30% amp for going in lowest to highest priority is really good

[meager fog]

BiS for negotiators dilemma because it can ignore the "lowest target" requirement and apply it to the highest target through transfer

[cerulean smelt]

that surprised me honestly

[meager fog]

Didn't me, Nego can ignore immunity too, since it's a transfer and not technically direct damage

[clever merlin]

ok ill give it a try

is pestilence good with tipping scales?

[cerulean smelt]

well, ususally something that benefits us they tend to nerd, and the ND transfer with overdogs buff would be something i could see they'd nerf

[meager fog]

Pestilence is, fine, with most things.

However it's a meh gun all around

[cerulean smelt]

i found it okish, but prefer he lmg over it

[meager fog]

Ideally you want a strong LMG with Measured or Frenzy to get the most from TS

[cerulean smelt]

i went the GR9 gunner +50 mag frenzy and i found it fun

[meager fog]

Not a fan of frenzy on LMGs myself, has alot of downtime outside of Lego/Master

[cerulean smelt]

but i do visit the ammo caches quite regularlly as chewing through 325 mag quickly hurts

[meager fog]

Alot of people miss that Measured buffs TWD on the second half, so is actually a big DPS increase overall

[magic pilot]

I hate explaining measured to people, because old players are used to it being terrible

Measured had one of the craziest turn arounds ever

[cerulean smelt]

well, before the rework it felt terrible, but after the rework it's probably awhole lot better

[meager fog]

Yeah it's difficult to explain, but I believe someone in here did the math and it's like an 18% DPS increase overall? Don't quote me on that though

[magic pilot]

For striker I think so

It depends how much WD and if you have TWD already

[meager fog]

I run GC with TS so it's a bigger increase for that second half magazine

[solar sable]

PGC for da win?

[clever merlin]

what would the ND build be like?

[lament reef]

it’s in the build sheet

[meager fog]

Mask, Backpack Kneepads, Holster, Ceska GC chest and Overdogs gloves

Bluescreen is the popular weapon of choice for the mass CC

[subtle bluff]

Looks at myself

[lament reef]

and the shared tagging mechanic

[subtle bluff]

Synergy at its best.

[subtle bluff]

I’ve remember when I got called crazy for using it when I was first doing all my incursion teaching runs.

[meager fog]

Although Measured also works pretty awesome for Nego too, losing the CC but that second half magazine rips through enemies

[subtle bluff]

getting that bulk HP down quickly then finishing off with the bigger dmg is actually a faster TTK that no what realized.

[clever merlin]

if I dont like glass cannon what would be the other options?

i guess obliterate or unbreakable?

[meager fog]

Obliterate

[subtle bluff]

Never unbreakable imo. Obli is fine

[meager fog]

Or now, Perf Obliterate, but you do need 60% CHC

[magic pilot]

Wasn't a fan before

[subtle bluff]

Eh… these numbers hurt… when you have low CHD but killer changes things. I hate it..

[meager fog]

I haven't used Nego P.Obli yet, Not sure how much it would affect the damage having to sacrifice CHD for it

[subtle bluff]

It was weird thought and it’s funny to think losing WD for RoF is still a gain in DPS.

[subtle bluff]

I haven’t sat down with that number yet. For any other weapon that has Crit mods I’m sure it’s fine but for Bluescreen not so much.

[meager fog]

Yeah I was thinking more for Measured M249

[subtle bluff]

It should be good.

[meager fog]

That extra 5% ROF could really help on the initial magazine half

[subtle bluff]

Have you used MG5 yet?

[meager fog]

The problem is, too much TWD for less gain?

[meager fog]

Some, not much though

Not been able to get a solid one

[magic pilot]

Are you running Nego bag or vigi

[subtle bluff]

Copy. I love it on OD I’m able to not use alright on incursion tanker because of it.

[subtle bluff]

Nego bag and overdogs

[meager fog]

Nego bag for the 112% transfer

[magic pilot]

Measured or killer?

[meager fog]

Always measured, because group play. Usually I use Negodogs for joining rando Legos/Masters

[subtle bluff]

Have you seen my clip of clear the first section of DUA leggo with ND screen? @magic pilot

[magic pilot]

Yea I did

[subtle bluff]

I did with Blacklister haven’t tried it again

[magic pilot]

I'd go PGC then

[subtle bluff]

I’m on Ceska GC atm but I’ve been lazy to change the build around for PGC

[meager fog]

Normally use Ceska GC for the CHC, because 60% is pretty vital

[subtle bluff]

also nego get a ton of agro

[magic pilot]

Nego has so much chd you can drop a little to hit 60

[meager fog]

You can but like Chow said, Agro comes from everywhere with Nego lol

You're literally the main focus of almost every enemy

[magic pilot]

Even more reason to kill everything faster 😉

50-60 incoming dmg isn't noticeable

0-50 is barely noticeable

[subtle bluff]

Current for Bluescreen with nd Ceska we don’t need any CHC but it’s thought. Idk..

[astral kraken]

pgc is always worth unless the math is against it

[subtle bluff]

I want to try other weapons with ND. TBH I rarely have used something else other than it.

[meager fog]

Measured M249 is awesome, try it lol

[subtle bluff]

I’m spoiled by exo gloves still am.

Ya I switch to one for Dog section in Roosevelt deletes everything.

[hallow arch]

Yeahh lol, too bad I can't be like most players and use stuff like strikers, HB, etc. And when those are off the table builds can be pretty limiting

I'd probably be more of a support role atp but I usually solo 90% of the time so there's really no one to support lol

[subtle bluff]

Go refactor then!

[hallow arch]

Mmmm maybe but I still don't have a lvl 40 capacitor yet, but I do have mechanical animal

[subtle bluff]

A good LMG or AR with in-sync will do

But it’s the reason I tell player to farm in CD with strikers to learn the gameplay and farm stuff

[hallow arch]

Ohhh I forgot about those smh smh. I think Test subject has perfect in sync right?

[hallow arch]

Normally that would be good for me but the lag would kill my dps because the stacks won't stack

[cerulean smelt]

yes, so does harmony a rifle

level 40 capacitor is easy to obtain. 5 challenge completions i think in summit was it?

[clever merlin]

Overdogs really that good huh

I thought it was only for retaliation

[lament reef]

it’s the final nail in coyote’s coffin

[grand girder]

CD seems to only have 2 regions which are america and EU, I'm from oce and get 300 ping regardless and it still works

trust me you can do it

[hallow arch]

Asia servers when 😭

[cerulean smelt]

i want to play on the chinese version at least once 😭

[hallow arch]

Plus my laptop is also part of the problem (IT SUCKS)

[subtle bluff]

Oh right

[subtle bluff]

You b

May want to play around with different vpns

[hallow arch]

There's a Chinese version??

[cerulean smelt]

yes

[subtle bluff]

It’s a pay to win

[grand girder]

yeah they get the cool shit

[hallow arch]

Oh those? Man I always think they don't work 100% of the time unless you pay their subscription slop

[cerulean smelt]

you get only 1 character to play and you can buy stuff that makes you extremely OP probably have a better companion than we do as well?

[grand girder]

turns out its just an aimbotter lmao

[hallow arch]

And it's a NPC Division agent instead of a True Sons defector

[cerulean smelt]

nah, think it was a Drone variant

[grand girder]

that looks like a little piss ant transformer xD

[strong cave]

Sounds like something a decepticon would say 😑

[grand girder]

damn I aint ever beating those allegations

[cerulean smelt]

OMG with that guardian doing 1.5 billion damage to elites!?!?!

[honest moss]

Assuming you use tinkerer with sadist, is killer or pressure point better for the second talent with OD?

[solar sable]

for 100% uptime, pressure point+sadist
for lil higher dmg solo, killer+sadist
for group play, measured/pressure point+sadist
I hope I messed up with the terms bc my brain is fried

[honest moss]

No you make sense, thank you! Think i will swap killer out.

[meager fog]

Pressure point is an amplifier.

As is sadist.

They are the best two together in all situations.

[onyx sage]

killer is still slightly better than pressure point but that comes with the obvious caveats

[meager fog]

Od is ok for solo, but there are better options.

Much better as a group buffer imo

[kind epoch]

I mixed OD with Wicked 😂 farming for LMG with sadist now. Bluescreen does damage with it, I tried with iron lung but I seriously run out of ammo using it LOL

Also, I swapped in Elmo’s engine with strikers and I gotta play much more aggressively with that setup 💀 (thank OD setup)

[meager fog]

My OD vs the people I was trying to buff 🤦‍♂️

[grand girder]

damn that dorkulusdad guy sucks man, 0% accuracy is crazyyyyy

[kind epoch]

That’s insane damage

[grand girder]

im sorry but 14 minute heroic lincoln is actually diabolical

[kind epoch]

Is that a long time or a good time?

[grand girder]

those teammates must have been spectating

[kind epoch]

Oh.. or he was busy reviving 😂

[meager fog]

Hang on one second....i'll show you something

[cerulean smelt]

covers eyes

[grand girder]

🫣

[meager fog]

Look at the point the first of the other players enters the room lol

My fault for being too aggro I guess

[subtle bluff]

It's not a lil..

[solar sable]

a bit? hehe

[meager fog]

Ignore the discord chat, they're on another game lol

[meager fog]

Its a really poor time lol

[grand girder]

solo it can be done in 4:30 consistently and with a 4man group I'd assume it would maybe take double that but atleast under 10mins

[kind epoch]

So with the OD, do you just focus on one person at first or open fire on all visible people?

[light grove]

Tag enemies with bleed, finish off to give whole squad bullets.

[meager fog]

Once you have hollow point rounds up, its spray and pray. Anything that has a status effect after 3 shots gets a mark. When that enemy dies, everyone else gets hollow point rounds

[light grove]

Make them all bleed 🫠

[meager fog]

You dont have to kill the enemy, as long as its marked everyone gets bleed rounds

Bleed rounds amplify damage by 20%, if you use OD chest you get a 50% amp

Since i'm using OD chest, Tinkerer mask Sadist and Pressure point my amps are ×30%×15%×50% on ALL enemies ALL the time

[kind epoch]

I’m kind of on the right track then

I did get a sadist but on the wrong LMG. Bluescreen still kills slightly faster with the available weapons I have to use from inventory. I only haven’t switched over to iron lung because the mag is too small so idk how you guys are equipping iron lung for ignite to engage quick enough before reload 😭😭

[hexed steppe]

Enemy still needs to die tho. Just doesnt matter how

[meager fog]

Yeah, as long as they die with the mark

[subtle bluff]

70 CHD is really huge. Why is my tech tank is able to do decent dmg.

[tiny bobcat]

Skill builds?point me in the right direction

[subtle bluff]

More context.

[tiny bobcat]

Drone/turret dps

[subtle bluff]

Refactor

[tiny bobcat]

Thats current best?

[subtle bluff]

Best is subjective in div2 in general.

What do you mean by best?

[sullen night]

Which High End (non named) LMG feels the best to use in your guys' opinion? For a tinkerer setup

[subtle bluff]

What's the rest of the build.

I'm very bias that tinkerer is only the best on OD.

[sullen night]

Wanna give the OD thing a try that people were talking about earlier, but never rly used LMGs

[subtle bluff]

MG5, m249, GR9

[sullen night]

I'm not a super good aimer, so some handling would be good I guess?

[subtle bluff]

MG5 has the best mix of handling and burst.
M249 higher burst
GR9 lowest burst but high dmg and Sustain

[sullen night]

Thanks!

[subtle bluff]

I should write the in the guide.

[subtle bluff]

There's a guide in the Build Hub

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message this is M249

[subtle bluff]

We are doing that! Hold my... Glass (I don't drink coffee)

[meager fog]

I love M249

[subtle bluff]

Me too I love both.

[meager fog]

Mine was 4 man with poor allies though :p

[sullen night]

I'm not sure if I will ever be mechanically good enough to run all red & no shield builds 😅 But I'll definitely try, looks great

[subtle bluff]

There's a reason why the sadist is on my 2nd m249 if caught without ammo.

[meager fog]

I have it on my Negev secondary hu hu hu

[subtle bluff]

It's not that bad. My clip I am being reckless to show that just small stuff of being able to do it all.

[meager fog]

Sadist Negev inflicts PAAAAIN

[subtle bluff]

The only reason I like MG5 is the reload speed

It's like 1s or Lil more faster.

I should make a clip of running OD on tanker.

[meager fog]

Negev: Hits like a truck, handles like one too.

[subtle bluff]

Ya. I did a quick run doing OD overdogs and P. Sadist.

[meager fog]

And theeeen?...

I think my reasoning behind not using overdogs is because i'd rather a 15% amp with 100% uptime than an amp I have to think about.

Tinkerer OD is pure dead head spray and pray

[astral kraken]

is... that nuance? what is wrong with you

there is no room for that

what's next? logic? reason?

[meager fog]

Overdogs is fantastic, and one of the best DPS pieces.

Sometimes I just dont want to think though...just spray lol

[astral kraken]

yea its one of the things that makes d2 so good

like you can have optimal this and that, but variations can perform so much better situationally

[meager fog]

Overdogs for legitimately difficult content, but I'll tale spray and pray for Heroic relaxing

[astral kraken]

for me overdogs falls off in leggo unless i'm running nego or bullet king or something

too many times my first target is a warhound or a drone operator and i need that thing to die fast

and rushers/grenadiers/snipers die fast either way

[subtle bluff]

Oh sorry. It's very doable. I just hate that reload speed. I have to plan my reload timing.... Plan when I'm just running and being reckless doesn't mix.

[meager fog]

Depends on the situation for me, tend to play in groups more now so having an overdogs for the ad mopping can be really effective

[subtle bluff]

I get his point a lot.

With Strikers if you're really getting really deep into it's meta overdogs in leggo is something interesting to look at being efficiency in the build but also the BP.

[astral kraken]

the devil is in the details

it really matters per encounter

tidal room #2, first things that die need to be warhounds and drone ops

so you're straight up nerfing your ability to do that with overdogs

room #3 for me it's chungas and minitanks and drone ops

room #4 its purple minitank, drone op, and sometimes warhound

roosevelt room 1 opens with kills on drone ops

roosevelt boss the copters need to die first

there's just so many cases where the thing you need to shoot to clear efficiently is not low pri

another way to say it: in leggo target priority is very important and it often doesn't match the list in the overdogs talent

[kind epoch]

i've got a mg5 with 9.1 lmg dmg, 11 dttooc, and 6 CHC. which one should i max out?

oh that's weird, wont even let me recalibrate

[subtle bluff]

1st and 2nd room I have down for ND but 3rd just needs more burst D=
Solo.

[kind epoch]

i dont have enough funds. that's why 😂 ha...

[subtle bluff]

Like I said don’t worry about max it out just play it.

The differences are there but nowhere as big as you think.

[kind epoch]

as in not noticeable, at least to me personally? haha

[hardy escarp]

just got ouroboros what do i run

[solar sable]

strikers and please mark your weapons as favorite

[subtle bluff]

Strikers or HF

[cerulean smelt]

no no, they don't become one of us until they accidentally sell it/dismantle it and come here asking how to get it back

[lament birch]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[strong cave]

You continue to run dark winter because ouroboros got nerfed to oblivion

Should've seen it when the weapon first dropped. It was so good. Now it's meh

[lament birch]

Dark Winter, my beloved 💜

[subtle bluff]

It’s good till talents start kicking in.

[strong cave]

And on dark winter, pretty much all it takes is 1 kill 😂

with a Crit but crits shouldn't be too hard to get, right?

[subtle bluff]

“Shouldn’t” but ya. It’s still funny to on paper Tac Vector 9mm once proc’s killer out does Dark Winter.

[strong cave]

That's due to I think tac vec having the highest base damage out of the 3

[last schooner]

is conc comp worth using?

is it superior to 3 pc lengmo pesti?

[subtle bluff]

At the top end yes.

[last schooner]

Sorry what do you mean? Like if you have god rolled pcs?

[subtle bluff]

Once your stacks up with coco then ya.

[hexed steppe]

im averaging 2mil ticks with solid crits with the new set

with team buffs i saw 3.7ticks highest

2mil is the typical tick rate tho once stacked and prioritized proper

[last schooner]

so run contractors? or overdog?

[hexed steppe]

overdogs, contractors if you dont have dogs

[strong cave]

Do be aware his Pestilence is expertise 27 so your ticks may vary

[hexed steppe]

petrov glass i think is a little more damage according to chow, but i dont have one of those yet. sacrifice probably also more damage, correct me someone if incorrect

yeah fr, ymmv

damage skill is preference, but skills add another damage source that will drive up your stacks per kill

[subtle bluff]

Ya it all works still. I’ll get dmg numbers charts out later too for it.

It have a showcase run without Overdogs on my YT.

I didn’t save it to Discord format to share.

[lament birch]

W o a h !

[lament birch]

I must let my dogs bark like I do

[kind epoch]

I totally forgot I had a carnage so do I need to add a tinkerer or I should be fine running coyote, OD, and wicked? Also, how do you get rid of the recoil 😂 I tried running it and it’s doable for me

[magic pilot]

Tinkerer won't work with carnage

[kind epoch]

I missed that detail 😅 I remember there being an exception. That was the one

[magic pilot]

It happens

[hallow arch]

Good news: Refactor build is in progress

The bad news:

@subtle bluff lowkey need help fr fr

[magic pilot]

Mods will help

Also you need 4 refactor+ wouldn't run refactor chest

[hallow arch]

oh yeah forgot about that mb

but I honestly wanted to use memento xd

actually maybe I can

I'll just find refactor gloves and kneepads

and then replace the chest with smth else

[magic pilot]

You could keep memento for now, but I wouldn't recommend it in groups

[hallow arch]

I'll use it for solo'ing stuff but do I use for groups?

[magic pilot]

Vigi or unstoppable force

[hallow arch]

Can I use skills other than the striker drone and assault turret?

[subtle bluff]

You "can" would be has good has other choices not really.

[hallow arch]

Damn that's a shame, I wanted to use crusader shield for more survivability

[subtle bluff]

You get healing from your skills doing dmg. Why would you use a shield..

[hallow arch]

...fair enough

But wouldn't turret and drones get hacked by hunters in CD or smth?

[subtle bluff]

I'm a bit atm sorry long day.

Yes they would this build isn't used for CD.

[lament birch]

Two in a row~!

Woohoo~!!! ^0^

[hallow arch]

Noted noted, ngl so far the refactor build is probably gonna be smth I'm gonna use for a while

Maybe I'll do more skill builds like Eclipse Protocol after I complete Refactor

[subtle bluff]

It's good for Missions and CP for solo stuff and then it can support most other things. It's not good at CD and Summit since it's a lot stop and go.

[hallow arch]

Well I always have OD or ND for those two

Actually...since I lag much less in Summit I think I can do Striker there

[half cedar]

Camaderie with Pestilence and Overdog on Heroic work like charm in Group

[hallow arch]

Speaking of Striker, can I replace striker backpack with Ninjabike? So I can do Equalizer and Salvo for the 3 piece UA and full Striker

[subtle bluff]

Camaderie?

[hallow arch]

Damn striker backpack is that important huh

[astral kraken]

more that ninja backpack is so bad

you can run other backpacks with striker but ninja isn't a good choice

[half cedar]

The new Gear Set.

[subtle bluff]

we just call it CoCo

[magic pilot]

Camaraderie

[half cedar]

I tried this 8M/headshot

Someone done a better ones?

[scenic whale]

Is UA/Salvo that worth it on Bittersweet, the fire rate is kinda eh as is no

[half cedar]

50M?!

[solar sable]

meth math

[subtle bluff]

Till I get the weapon I haven't had the want to theorycraft.

[scenic whale]

I’m just rocking the Crit set up with 3p Zwi, Ceska Odogs and Foxes. Works fine enough tho I’m sure more optimal on that would be HS damage (GC/Vigi)

But I can’t aim for shit so doing damage when I miss is still nice

[magic pilot]

That was his chem launcher too

[gentle lichen]

the consequences of letting dch work with chem lauchers

[subtle bluff]

Hey! Giving out stuff

Crap.. UA changes OD build... when running killer..

[gentle lichen]

to be expected since you already got chc on lmg

[subtle bluff]

Yup

[plain merlin]

Okay. So. I bought the game on Steam like 5 days ago.
I hit lvl. 40 earlier tonight. I changed the global setting to all modifiers and challenging.
Hit SHD lvl 14 in like an hour. Hit the DZ and extracted loot 3 times.
And...I am so overwhlemed lmao. Gunner is my special. I just don't even know where to start with builds.

[meager fog]

Check the pins in this channel, specifcally Chows new level 40 section

[plain merlin]

Thank you

[meager fog]

Its on the builds page, just scroll down

[plain merlin]

Just overwhelmed with everything lol

[meager fog]

Imagine getting domed by a green sludge bomb 😭

"When your healer is too skilled"

[south dome]

what armour is best for a smg/lmg build

[meager fog]

Strikers, Nego, TS...loads...depends what you want

[cerulean aurora]

Am I missing something on this build because this ain't my build. This is somebody I'm playing with and I'm a little confused where they're going with this

[gentle lichen]

it's a random build

nothing is supposed to make sense on that

expertise build if anything

[subtle bluff]

Seems like a troll if nothing.

[meager fog]

I'll tell you where they're going....on the carpet

[lament reef]

bro is burning the food

[hallow arch]

ALMOST a good backfire, the stability killed it smh smh

that said, what build can I do with this?

I also got acosta's go bag

[meager fog]

Good piece of kit for when you want to level up this seasons modifiers

[hallow arch]

oooh interesting

[meager fog]

Hint: It involves blowing yourself up

[hallow arch]

Damn 😭

[lament reef]

i feel like you got last season’s modifiers maxed out on accident

these companions get like one xp point per solo kill

[onyx sage]

i retrofitted my HW build with explosive sticky bomb 😎

[hallow arch]

Anyone got builds for the Backfire?

[meager fog]

Their xp appears directly tied to completing companion actions and tied to the command points earned through those actions.

They're actually pretty fast to level up if you lower the difficulty and ignore combat and effectively get them to do it all through commands

[hallow arch]

I assume the decoy helps with enemy aggro?

[meager fog]

Yes, decoy is really good

[astral kraken]

It's a difficult build to play. The decoy helps a little but mostly you just have to use cover.

The burst DPS is so juicy once you get going though 😄

[hallow arch]

ahh I see, though I do use cover a lot though

[meager fog]

Gotta learn to use full cover if you're playing full red

[astral kraken]

You'll only get mileage out of backfire in places where there are lots of enemies to keep your bleed immunity up.

Otherwise you won't build striker stacks and you'll keep bleeding over and over

[hallow arch]

fair point

[meager fog]

Shotgun also helps with that blam blam for lots of fast stacks. Switch to Backfire and rat a tat tat

[hallow arch]

Stack broker works too right?

[lament reef]

“fast” being relative here, every time i give a command they stand still and ignore it for 30 seconds 🤣

but yeah i will try that

[meager fog]

Stack broker, Rock n Roll, AcS12 basically any auto shotty works for striker stacks

[hallow arch]

got it

[astral kraken]

I like stack broker for that build. It builds stacks very fast.

[hallow arch]

hold on rq what about builds for acosta's go bag?

[meager fog]

Its not any good really

[hallow arch]

aw what, why does the fun stuff suck so much I wanted to use it with demolitionist and stuff

[meager fog]

60s cooldown kind of kills it tbh.

[hallow arch]

they better buff it next season or smth RIGHT NOW PLEASE RIGHT NOW

[astral kraken]

It's really niche but has its uses. I have two variants of oxi and one of them has Acosta:

I can hotswap the chest/gloves to get another overcharge source.

[hallow arch]

what are the uses? I assume it's mostly crowd control and armor melting from the oxidizer and yk, grenades

[sharp folio]

How do I unlock mortar turret again?

[astral kraken]

Finding places you can do that yourself is very very rare. But if you have an organized group you can oxi in many places.

[sharp folio]

I have question, how and why?

[hallow arch]

So eclipse protocol from Temu

damn that might be too niche

[meager fog]

Oxi Chem spawn lock, it's a good tic tac in some areas

[astral kraken]

It really is. I dedicated a loadout for it but barely use it in general play.

[hallow arch]

Imma just stick to refactor 😭

Harmony is actually pretty good on it

[astral kraken]

There are probably some other niche uses for acosta I'm not thinking of. Its only real value is being able to overcharge yourself as far as I know.

[hallow arch]

Ik I can do smth with it...I just gotta find a way to abuse the talent

what if I use some crowd control? Like riot foam grenades/chem launcher

'cus unfortunately enemies tend to roll away from the AoE

[astral kraken]

it won't really work for a few reasons:

foam grenades have a small radius. you'd have overcharge, pre-stack oxi on the spawn, and perfectly land a foam grenade to hit everything that's spawning. not really gonna happen.

you'll run out of oxi anyway so its not great as a general use thing.

it works best if you have an ep on your team to spread the foam so it catches things inside spawn doors and such

[hallow arch]

oh I'm not gonna use Oxi, I'm gonna use my Refactor build

[astral kraken]

not sure what you're asking then

[hallow arch]

ok this is gonna be hard to explain but idk I like theory crafting

[hallow arch]

yeah it's hard to know what I exactly want mb man

[astral kraken]

that's definitely step 1. otherwise you end up wearing a ninja bag

[sullen night]

Are there absolutely 0 cases in which Ninja Bike is beneficial? I like the idea of mix and matching alot, but losing the whole backpack talent is just so painful :\

[astral kraken]

For PvE? Not zero but close to zero. IIRC there was a breakpoint rifle thing you could do that would be on par with non wearing ninja. But I don't know of any cases in PvE where ninja is better in any significant way. There might be though... but definitely not for any of the common builds.

[hallow arch]

which sucks since on paper it does sound useful imo

being able to substitute and activating multiple gear bonuses sounds good but the problem is that people need specialized builds (or at least the build should have a main purpose) instead of having an identity crisis on what it can do

[urban latch]

The best use in pve imo is on a HH build since there are so many 2p bonuses that are actually helpful, you can get a substantial benefit from it. It'll still do less damage than having vigi, but you can get +2 tiers to a crusader shield with it and run an 1886. And as long as you 1 tap things the difference in damage doesn't matter.

[astral kraken]

courtesy ikia:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1WO88gp63kdlFweJQeTCpU1D2Elu_I_USh5F5wQqBVGk/edit?usp=sharing

[urban latch]

In pvp vigilance, imo is still quite good, but obviously less so. In pvp backpack talents in general are just less useful, and tankiness is more valuable, so it does see valid uses in pvp.

[sullen night]

Gotcha, I tried using it with 3x striker and 2x Unity Alloy to get the 50% mag bonus, but basically I'm just swapping out a whole talent for 50% mag size and 2 cores, seems fairly bad compared to just using striker backpack

[urban latch]

This is another variation as well. There's a lot of valuable 2p options

[astral kraken]

That's the one I was thinking of! Yep, thanks.

[sullen night]

Those look pretty fun, thanks, gonna try and get the gear for it over time, on the list with you, techtank

[astral kraken]

It really helps if you use a damage calculator to compare your builds. It's not that hard to learn and it'll give you actual numbers to compare with. Sometimes our intuition is right like yours is here.

[sullen night]

I'm never sure which damage types are additive and which are multiplicative, so far I'm only sure about amplified damage always being multi (?)

[astral kraken]

There's an infographic somewhere around here

[sullen night]

Is there a lazy man's calculator for Div2 or do you just mean punching in the numbers in a regular calc?

[sullen night]

Ah perfect ty

[astral kraken]

This guide is good too:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zsb60ue6yKbcJctD8FQEAOAUxcyg5Cot1fuPQQD3xj4/edit?usp=sharing

You're on the right track Turnip! Love to see it.

@urban latch My link to your calculator is broken 🙁 Do you have the latest?

[urban latch]

This?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?usp=drivesdk

[sullen night]

I still suck at 100% damage builds, always need some blue cores or shield to feel comfy 😬

[urban latch]

Nothing wrong with using the crusader shield, it's probably the strongest skill in the game imo

[astral kraken]

Watch this dude. You'll learn a lot:
https://www.youtube.com/@dien_aka_kim/videos

[cerulean smelt]

my brain melts watching his vides 😹

[meager fog]

Salvo with SMG9 Measured is just nuts....

[sharp folio]

What's the setting to see damage numbers like this?

[magic pilot]

floating

[sharp folio]

Oh ok thanks

[lament birch]

Browning would be proud

[hexed steppe]

There is also a function of your text box to output the numbers there, which is handy for testing

[sharp folio]

What's the name of it?

[hexed steppe]

combat > damage numbers . or something like that

Should be a > on the text bar

[errant bramble]

What are the best builds for duo play? That complete each other

[subtle bluff]

Best is very subjective here.

[magic pilot]

Depends on content too

[errant bramble]

Lets say duo for legendary missions

[magic pilot]

Fi CC with a HHF player or both HH, or 1 striker 1 HH

[subtle bluff]

It really depends on the players. Strikers would be the one for sure

[magic pilot]

Yea Honeslty is skill based, if you know how to properly HH and know the spawns+ what enemies are in each area HH will be better

[astral kraken]

if somewhat new then 2x striker is good. or 1x striker and 1x ep cc.

[subtle bluff]

There’’s no straightforward answer to that question

[astral kraken]

HH this season is tough so i'd turn off mods if newish to HH

[errant bramble]

Okey boys ty

[clever merlin]

Is nd and blue screen supposed to work together

I feel like it shouldn't

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean?

[clever merlin]

The debuff from blue screen procs from ND

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

When you hit something it creates a mark for each of them.

Bluescreen proc doesn't interact with ND

[subtle bluff]

Are you talking about this?

[subtle bluff]

Good?

[rotund snow]

Hi! I want to play Shroud, is this build good? I have Chainkiller chestpiece, Overdogs gloves and 4 piece Breaking Point. Should I change something in it?

All red cores with HSD,CHC and CHD

[subtle bluff]

Shroud and Overdogs would work against each other. They go from the opposite ways

You should going for Hotshot with all HSD.

Then the MMR dmg brandset backpack with vigilance

HSD > weapon handling

[rotund snow]

Oh they don't complete each other? I thought so.. Well I'll change that Tomorrow and farm for Hotshot. So mask gloves kneepads holster HotShot, Chainkiller is ok? And the Vigilance BP, thank yoi

Is "The Gift" BP from Providence doable as well or is it better Airaldi BP?

[solar sable]

yup, chainkiller is BiS for MMR builds

[subtle bluff]

Reread the talents.

[solar sable]

as Chow says, Perfect Vigi and regular Vigi have no dmg differences between them

was it 5-4sec or 4-3?

[rotund snow]

I know, but one gives more HSD (Providence) but Airaldi more MMR damage, is there one better than the other for more raw damage output?

[clever merlin]

I don't think this part is in the in game description so that's what's triggering it

[astral kraken]

it's in the game description

[hexed steppe]

Any time you use a skill you proc bluescreens status effects. When you kill something marked and have full stacks you proc bluescreens status.
A transfer kill from nego would count if the dead npc is marked

[strong cave]

Airaldi gives more, HSD from providence is only 10%. Airaldi gives 10% or 15% more overall MMR damage. That's significantly more than 10% HSD

MMR damage also boosts HSD

You can take a walker bag, assuming you're running chainkiller. It'll give you DTA (2 PC walker bonus) which does work with HH. That is another option. But airaldi is best

[subtle bluff]

Your context is very lose

[hexed steppe]

You should see how overdogs interacts with nego 👀

[subtle bluff]

Hold my glass

[hexed steppe]

I dont see how they work against eachother. I concede they dont stack obv, but if you only use shroud you only amp against high rank, and dont amp against low rank regardless... but with overdogs and shroud it doesnt really matter because you'll likely pick up overdogs buff of you lose shroud buff because of the rank... it's not like either actually reduces the damage you already do, they just add an amp when you meet the conditions. Jmho

[subtle bluff]

For sure wrong wording.

It's they go opposite ways? I can't explain in words.

[grand girder]

they hinder efficiency when used together?

[hexed steppe]

Just that they dont stack. But in hotshot it's irrelevant ig because losing vig for amp on some targets is a net loss over alll

[grand girder]

like it can work but its just not very optimal right? i think is chows point (lmk if wrong)

[hexed steppe]

On highend mmr tho I see it as a win win

Although, 3pc hotshot overdogs chainkiller vigilance...🤔

Nvm tho, most of my headshot builds are mortar anyways

[astral kraken]

that's wd dmg

[solar sable]

yoink!

[astral kraken]

that's shroud dmg

i think at the range they're all the same tier

[hexed steppe]

Did you use invulnerable target for shroud?

[astral kraken]

no

just those little guys that pop up and down

i also reset the chainkiller stacks before using shroud

[hexed steppe]

Use invulnerable since 2 and 3 shot are the same. Might be limited by the target health

[astral kraken]

holy moly

hoooly cannoli

[hexed steppe]

🤔

[astral kraken]

i got a 72 mil shot but i can't recreate it now

trying to figure it out

[subtle bluff]

The most important shot they rarely if ever line up.

[astral kraken]

then it went back to 18

[astral kraken]

yea but shroud isn't gear so you're not losing anything by having it as secondary

depends on content but 18 mil first shot is pretty nice

[hexed steppe]

Yeah that's pretty crazy

[astral kraken]

nemi is like 20 mil first shot tho

i have no idea how i got that 72 mil shot

[subtle bluff]

Mods?

[astral kraken]

mods are off

hmm gb was on but i didnt have a gb

[hexed steppe]

But with most in the community not capable of making actual headshots itll probably stay niche like nemesis

Hot take

[subtle bluff]

ya.. even tho it's super good at taking the cold shot

[astral kraken]

well a lot of times it's good for starting the encounter and those shots are easy to make

or like if there's a chunga left and you have no stacks

[hexed steppe]

I'll have to use it. I'm rarely on a headshot build, but I kinda like mantis when I am using one

[astral kraken]

mantis is so great. it's how i cleared birdhouse for the first time. very underrated.

can see heads through bushes and stuff

[strong cave]

You'd love it in pvp 💯

[hexed steppe]

Its solid

[strong cave]

I could see you using crit nemesis tho

[astral kraken]

also it looks COOL

and sounds dope

[strong cave]

Honestly I prefer Nemesis > Mantis because nemie can be played as a Crit build. Mantis is uh.... Yeahhhhhhh that's self explanatory

There's no charge up for WD like nemie has. Mantis does have insane stability tho

[hexed steppe]

I like it cause determined is boring af and takes all the joy out of a high damage build

I bet it's really good on gb too.

[subtle bluff]

🤮

brb

[hexed steppe]

Although, pesti gb is nuts, stop shooting but you keep getting refreshed for the rest of the room/encounter

[last schooner]

is this the 600% dmg received pc?

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

[last schooner]

so trash?

[hexed steppe]

Ofc not.

[last schooner]

sorry as in is it useful, not deconstruct haha

[hexed steppe]

Good components are always valuable

[strong cave]

Mine collect dust in the stash

[subtle bluff]

Oh.. just wait a min here

[hexed steppe]

I dont have them. Dont take me literal

[subtle bluff]

MrChow doing things in his place

[astral kraken]

@hexed steppe @lucid dew

[subtle bluff]

Fancy

[astral kraken]

yea but what happened

[last schooner]

isn't BP not good?

[astral kraken]

where did the 72 come from

[subtle bluff]

you can go higher

it's how HH works... come on...

[astral kraken]

but i can't recreate it

and 3rd shot was back to 18 mil

[clever merlin]

Yeah I'm using it along with blue screen

Only problem is the lack of survivability

[hexed steppe]

How I run it too. Glass?

You're definitely targetted using nego no matter what tho

[strong cave]

This poor soul pinged the wrong chow

Everyone point and laugh 🫵 🤣

[hexed steppe]

[clever merlin]

I run with obli for now since we have GB

[last schooner]

so CoCo Pesti > Lengmo pesti?

[onyx sage]

i die with nego evrytim

striker main 5ever

[hexed steppe]

Much easier to farm... what's the lengmo top end look like?

[astral kraken]

hahahaha

[last schooner]

no idea, I never understood why bother farming for unicorn when Tipping Scale gives 30% LMG

[hexed steppe]

Fair. I dont have it either

Coco is like 2mil tick average

Really slow stack decay

[hexed steppe]

With expertise*
-# I see you there Fifty

[last schooner]

is donating junk faster then donating mats for expertise?

[hexed steppe]

Depends on your farming practices.
Using shd as cash and buying up 20 named items from the vendors goes a long way

[last schooner]

and is the donation requirements linear and increase for each prof level

*or, not and

[hexed steppe]

Same with crafting improvised stuff

You need less overall proficiency levels at higher stages

[last schooner]

so donating named items progresses expertise faster then donating mats

fml I should've donated all those named crap from Halloween instead of decon

[grand girder]

am a new player can someone give some advice?

[hexed steppe]

If you are totally stacked with Mats it's fine donating some, but it's really cheap buying up the named. Like 45k per shd , 15k per named, so it's like "7 shd > cash " per proficient named you can buy that week

[last schooner]

your shd is higher then mine bro

[grand girder]

nuh uh

[hexed steppe]

Stop using foundry

Bro want to be the 6th directive

[strong cave]

It's lacking expertise my dawg

[grand girder]

oh yeah true looks goofy with the weapons

[subtle bluff]

I forgot to do the numbers I did OD numbers instead...

[sullen night]

For a HF SMG build (solo), is there any especially good weapon talent?

[strong cave]

Killer for the main weapon's talent, and Unwavering for the second. Chatterbox is good for camping spawns

[sullen night]

Does that make Dark Winter a good choice? With the perfect Killer perk

I'm not using Tinkerer, haven't gotten it yet

[strong cave]

Very good weapon 💯 and don't use tinkerer on hunters fury

[sullen night]

Oh I thought that's what you mean with 2nd talent 😅

[strong cave]

Nah. You keep unwavering as a secondary. It's like Chatterbox talent in a way. Keep up your kills when swapping to an Unwavering weapons gives it 300% weapon handling. Basically .01s reloads and pinpoint accurate with 0 recoil

[sullen night]

I'm using Equalizer chest but not sure what to use for Backpack, the HF backpack and chest both seem kinda underwhelming

[strong cave]

It's active for about 5s before it deactivates

[sullen night]

Ahh gotcha

[strong cave]

Don't use either chest or backpack for hunters fury. Both are ass. You can use Equalizer chest and a Sokolov backpack

[sullen night]

Sounds good ty

For solo Memento is also fine right? Since I plan on being in the thick of it all the time anyway, doesn't make picking up the orange things too much of a chore

[strong cave]

Memento on hunters fury is a great choice, it is a Run & Gun type build

[sullen night]

Sorry one last question: Do you think it's worth running Firewall for the Striker shield? Or is that not worth over Gunner perks? 🤔

[buoyant perch]

CQC firewall shield is a massive damage amplifier. It all depends on your playstyle and if you can maintain the shield or not.

[sullen night]

Sounds good I'll give that a go 👍

I couldn't figure out what kind of damage the 7% per enemy is, is it its own bucket?

[grand girder]

you can also run a palisade piece for aok if you miss it from gunner

[sullen night]

HF gives 20% AOK too luckily

[strong cave]

I personally run gunner but firewall for the shield is okay

[grand girder]

ahh sorry didnt r ealise it was a hf build mb

[magic pilot]

I main shroud except I have 3 hotshot, chainkiller, gift, turmoil

[last schooner]

sorry can you explain "buyiing up the named" using shd?

as in converting shd to currency to buy stuff from vendors?

[magic pilot]

Vendors all have at least 1 named item. When getting item proficient it's really cheap to buy 20 named items and donate them to max the item out

Bounties award a large amount of credits, a few of those and you can max the named items every week that are on sale

[last schooner]

ah ok

[hexed steppe]

Yes. Each shd is 45k credits iirc. Its around 300k credits to proficient a single named item. Its extremely cheap compared to the material cost to proficient an item

[astral kraken]

ooo i'll try that. sounds fun

[hallow arch]

Refactor build update (finally got another capacitor)

[lost wren]

is the beacon chest any good?

[strong cave]

If your team has enough DPS, can't really hurt too much to take it

It's a bit weird it's a "DPS" chest. It should've rolled for Armor / Regen / Hazpro and not WD + Crits

[lost wren]

ubisoft balancing is like that ig

[strong cave]

Also Ubisoft balancing:

"So let's nerf strikers"

[lost wren]

let's nerf strikers
buff umbra
and leave pvp dead in a ditch

[strong cave]

😂😂

[lost wren]

i love pressing enter early it's so fun

[strong cave]

Hopefully with their new positions they're trying to fill, shit will get fixed 🙏

I miss pvp

[last schooner]

is equaliser BIS?

[strong cave]

Basically. It slightly lowers mag damage but increases burst

Anything heroic and below, run equalizer. Leggo/mastery/raids just run Ceska

[hallow arch]

It's actually pretty impressive especially with the Memento stacks

not heroic ready though tbh

I need more help with it fr

[last schooner]

I'm guessing Equal + Salvo striker is still not as good as Striker with Equal and Overdogs

[strong cave]

I personally wouldn't know how to build refactor. I dislike using skill builds entirely

[lost wren]

i thought that for leggo you'd use salvo and striker chest

[strong cave]

You can honestly. I personally would stick with Ceska for sustained damage

Enemies are tankier and lowering mag damage isn't quite the route you'll want to take

[magic pilot]

Can't beat 30% amp

[astral kraken]

in leggo it really depends on the encounter and your team

[magic pilot]

It's free glass cannon

[astral kraken]

there are some encounters where you'll be able to keep chest stacks up, others you wont

if you're doing it solo then chest stacks should be no problem tho

[last schooner]

lol I ran Lego capitol last week with UA GC

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/CreAFhA2MLU?si=f8HXOv3Fz2g3d3Fa

Depends on how close you can stick with a full team

[last schooner]

only died twice hehe

[astral kraken]

if you're gonna do glass just do gift/sacrifice

you're already going all in 🙂

[lost wren]

gift just seems inconsistent to me

[astral kraken]

yea it depends on how you position. it helps to have the encounters memorized more or less. you could do sacrifice/overdogs too.

[magic pilot]

It's only 1% better I'd only go gift if you run pesti

[lost wren]

this is what i run for leggo
the hive and foam was for when i was doing raids, usually i do decoy and emp

[astral kraken]

based pyramid

[last schooner]

no love for turmoil?

[astral kraken]

if it's leggo i'd run a better secondary tho

[astral kraken]

only really decent for carries and in specific situations

or solo but it's a bit cheesy tbh

[last schooner]

its funny, I remember the days when its contractors and foxs for every red build

[lost wren]

if i wanted to use turmoil i’d just use negotiator’s dilemma

[astral kraken]

very different use cases those two

not really comparable

[magic pilot]

It was only ever optimal on builds that had max chc

With the crit rebalance and most new gearsets not having extra chc like umbra or nego can't really use them much effectively

[last schooner]

I didn't even know there was a crit rebalance

[lament birch]

@strong cave You need some gloves, boss?

[hexed steppe]

so i was able to repeat. if i just went (named, named, named, ...) it would hit a lot lower damage wall, like 25mil. not optimized and no expertise.
i could consistently see the higher damage 68-70mil if i was bouncing between low rank-38mil and high rank-68-70mil.
so im thinking when you hit the low rank you are able to use that boosted damage to hit harder on your high rank, like when you start a chain with dch buffed shot.
even without overdogs the damage mechanic was the same, but damages were higher on both types with overdogs equipped

[astral kraken]

i asked in ikia's discord and someone mentioned how shroud can get bugged in the range

i think that's what happened to me b/c i tried every sequence possible

bugged meaning it's not giving the buff basically

[hexed steppe]

did you run it open world to see if it followed the that sequence outside the range?

[magic pilot]

Yea it can, ssoap was having issue with in during incursion

[astral kraken]

yea, i had the same problem. thats why i asked around b/c i was curious what the bug was specifically.

like if there's a trigger or cause or even if it's tied to the current session

[lament birch]

I thought my Brooke was a chatty cat already— looks like the golden bullet made her want to yap much faster.

[lament birch]

B ‘ Y E A H !

[molten summit]

my current build any tips

[solar sable]

can the Overdogs version be called standard v2 anyhow?

or maybe not

[molten summit]

I was trying to do a chameleon build but don't have the rifle yet

[meager fog]

Rifle?

[molten summit]

Its a ar

[meager fog]

Mhm, Rifles and ARs arent the same though.

Bare in mind, the Chameleon is designated an Assault Rifle, but its actually an SMG variant and very much plays like one

[subtle bluff]

Kind of waiting for the Build tool to update

[molten summit]

I had one on Xbox but lost that account

[meager fog]

Its a decent gun, very high damage ceiling with good play.

[molten summit]

i still trying to do hard world

[meager fog]

Take a look through the pinned build guide, lots of helpful tips in there

[hallow arch]

Just discovered a problem with the build, apparently the in-sync buffs disappear when switching to another weapon

Which sucks tbh

[cerulean smelt]

would be too powerful if it didn't do that
most builds would be shoot with in-sync, swap to say future perfect so you end up with both insync buffs and overcharged skills

[hallow arch]

Hmmmm might test that

I have mechanical animal so I'll use that

But the dmg is uhhhh

Really bad

Considering my stuff has mostly skill cores so the dmg is not really there

[cerulean smelt]

nods the chance you have to take when you don't have weapon cores

[hallow arch]

Atp I think I'll just do Eclipse Protocol or Exuro smh smh

[pliant pelican]

whats the Go-to choice here. keep armor or, keep headshot. just crafted & prob will farm later more.

[cerulean smelt]

aren't you always asking these questions without giving context to what you're trying to do?

[pliant pelican]

buildin with alloy. gear squishy having +1 armor on kill.

[cerulean smelt]

still not much context aside you doing a 1-3 alloy, using the 1 palisade for armor on kill, so assuming you're doing a crit build, keep the chance optimize it and then put damage on it

[scenic whale]

if im looking to maximize big horn, would a standard red do the trick or am i looking at something more specific?

[cerulean smelt]

pvp build?

[scenic whale]

ah nah pve

[cerulean smelt]

1 armor core with armor on kill isn't going to net you much armor back per kill, probably enough to survive some things, but you'll probably still die to fire or bleeding depending on the situation

[pliant pelican]

WElp. bbq agent inc. i'll be fine. i'm only pve anyways.

[cerulean smelt]

well, if it was pvp i still couldn't say. i'd say try things and see if you can find something that works for you for the bighorn build

i always found big horn lacking in damage in PVE so i never tried to make a build with it

usual PVP build for bighorn is headshot damage and armor regen, so no clue what you have planned for your big horn pve build but i'd say report back with it or post your thoughts here and maybe one of the math nerds can tell you if it'll work or not

[meager fog]

Bighorn is just meh for PvE

[cerulean smelt]

my conclusion in trying a few things. think it'd still be meh with unit alloy?

[meager fog]

Lots of other things are better ARs, and lots of other things do the headshot gimmick better.

Theres really nothing more to it

Its fine to use, if you want to, but it wont pull up trees

[scenic whale]

oh im not expecting it to, i just enjoy how it feels. Thus, wondering if a standard HE build with enough base crit (3provi, overdogs, foxes, and ceska) would do fine or should i lean into its HS gimmick

[hallow arch]

Eclipse Protocol build I'm working on now, obviously has some stuff I need to fix like completing tech skill tree, getting burn sticky (I'm going for the burn EP route), etc.

Technician works for burn EP right?

also is it normal for Skill builds to have low CHC and CHD?

[meager fog]

Yes. Skills cant crit so damage stats arent really relevant

[hallow arch]

well that's one problem I can push aside, since all my Damage builds are severly lacking in CHC and CHD

[hallow arch]

That said, how's the EP build so far? Unfortunately I don't have Firewall and the burn sticky yet and as mentioned the Technician tree is still incomplete

[sullen night]

5 gearset pieces seems kinda useless? That's probabyl a quick thing to fix

[hexed steppe]

Use 1 eletrique piece for glove/knee/holster

[meager fog]

Theres a good EP burn build in the pins im sure

[hexed steppe]

And dont use seeker. Its not good on ep. I would jammer pulse if you dont have fire sticky since it can have a wide area of effect

[hallow arch]

oh yeah I'm planning to do that later lol

[hallow arch]

Got it, and then Firestarter chem launcher right?

[hexed steppe]

But go through wony and get fire sticky

Yeah fire chem is solid

[hallow arch]

Good good I'll just use it until I get fire sticky

[hexed steppe]

Youll be best with both. Fire sticky hits harder, but the cooldown is slower than chem so they pair well

[lethal grove]

Has over dogs been added to the exotic cache loot pool?

[meager fog]

Yes

[trim abyss]

so is strikers considered better than tipping scales?

[frozen hull]

For damage yes but tipping scales is still a really good set

[meager fog]

Yes

[kind epoch]

how do weapon and gear pieces scale with shd level? im very late to the feature but i just found out we're able to upgrade expertise after maxing out proficiency 😅😅😅

[subtle bluff]

Don’t sweat those too much for now.

[patent fossil]

They don't scale with shd level at all, expertise is an independent system

[kind epoch]

oh... well i can't do much with them for now anyways 😅 max i can upgrade is 3 lolol

[subtle bluff]

IMO don’t worry about till you are at exp 10 save your mats

[coral reef]

yo Mr Chow, have you tested the new build yet? the one you're working on

[subtle bluff]

Ya it works

[kind epoch]

i wouldn't know if i am honestly. how do i find out my expertise level?

[coral reef]

where can I see it?

[subtle bluff]

Help him and I'll grab it

[subtle bluff]

PGC does more

[subtle bluff]

I know tgere more than one plan.b

When jn your exp menu igs on the top left

[coral reef]

thanks chief! ahh good old overdogs, I thought you were going to use the new exotic vest...

[subtle bluff]

That thing is ass

[sullen night]

I put together the Vile + Eclipse + Everlasting build, and despite max skill tier and all maxed status effects + skill damage attributes the damage seems really bad, is that just gonna be that way compared to weapon damage builds?

[lament reef]

beacon?

[coral reef]

so this is recommended only for group play right? does it fare good in Legendary difficulty in groups?

[subtle bluff]

Its only great heroic duo and below

[sullen night]

Was trying heroic solo, hmm, probably did something wrong but no idea what

[subtle bluff]

All. My solo showcase on YT was with Vigilance BP.

[sullen night]

Any obvious mistakes?

[subtle bluff]

Firewall spec. You want a DTA weapon in hand staarting fire

[sullen night]

i have 10% DTA on the everlasting, the spreadsheet said technician is more DPS, but will try firewall ty

[coral reef]

Looking good for solo play. If you want to play in a group where enemies are tougher to kill, consider being the "status effect guy", use the Perfect Creeping Death backpack, its way better so spread the status effects inmediately instead of on kill. Also remember that the 30% extra damage of the Eclipse Backpack, only aplies to you, not to the team.

[subtle bluff]

He's doing fire version

[sullen night]

Yea I built according to the sheet

[coral reef]

the sheet build is perfect, I used it A LOT is my favorite

[sullen night]

Hmmmmm weird

I'll check my number in the range

it ticks for 480k + 130k with perfect perpetuation active

[subtle bluff]

You sure?

Because there no prefect version.

[sullen night]

Well I'm looking for a mistake, but can't see it

Is the tick damage normal tho?

[sullen night]

Yea but the tick damage isn't gonna increase with that, that's why I'm asking if the tick damage is even in the right ballpark

[sullen night]

Maybe I'm just not liking the playstyle, just wanna make sure the dmg number is even somewhat correct

[subtle bluff]

The longer it last the more dmg.

[sullen night]

I understand that, I'm asking about the damage per time it procs

[subtle bluff]

If you're going for highest tick then you want PGC

I do not know the tick numbers off hand

[sullen night]

Alrighty

[subtle bluff]

THis is all i have but its not using skills much

[sullen night]

Ah I didn't even know the flamer could also be used for it, that's pretty cool

But the numbers seem ok then, gonna tinker a bit more

[kind epoch]

you can get a flamethrower as a weapon??

[sullen night]

with the Firewall specializaiton yea

[subtle bluff]

Spec

[kind epoch]

oooh boy...

[subtle bluff]

It has the high burn dmg then sticky then starter

[coral reef]

I mean the reality of the eclipse protocol is that its not good for actually killing things on Heroic and beyond (its a monster in Hard or Challenging)

[kind epoch]

dang it but it wouldn't pair with od 😭

[subtle bluff]

To note that clip is on challenging

[hexed steppe]

Depends on the team. Good team will spread fire

But on hard stuff cc eclipse is there as well, riot foam

[coral reef]

exactly, its really good for being the status effect guy

thats why I recommend the courier backpack

[lament reef]

you have to know enemy spawns as the status guy, though, or you are a dead slot

[coral reef]

not with courier

perfect creeping death is your friend

[honest moss]

I personally run foam + a fire skill (usually sticky) on my EP fire build. Helps with CC in teams and even for solo. The burn should be strong enough to get going and the cooldown isn't long

[hexed steppe]

I run it with setup if im not on fire eclipse🔥

Although, I only run cc eclipse in countdown

[coral reef]

those poor hunters at the end don't stand a chance with foam+The Courier backpack

[coral reef]

the reason for this is 100% a balance thing right? it would be too OP if it hit as hard on the top difficulties.

[hexed steppe]

I mean, its capable of hitting like 750k burn ticks off a sticky

Pretty op

[astral kraken]

fire eclipse does fine in heroic solo

capacitor for chunky things

and in a team setting, well, you're cc and dot

[sullen night]

Sorry one more nub question, how do you get the buildstation website to look like that or make an overview like that? I tried the 3 layouts but none of them look like that 😬

[subtle bluff]

Share tab

[sullen night]

Ahh tyvm

[snow coyote]

What’s the next best weapon after the Lexington? For AR DMG builds?

[sullen night]

Cookie cutter choice is St. Elmos if it can be exotic, for Highend I'd just choose what feels best to use for you, FAMAS and Police M4 are pretty commin I think, personally a fan of the Carbine 7 just because of how it handles

[versed summit]

Police m4 feels very similar with just less damage.

P416, FAMAS, CTAR, and to a lesser extent, the FAL and Honey Badger, are all good options as well

[versed summit]

I'd recommend trying the Honey Badger

[sullen night]

Probably haven't touched that in forever 😅 I'll give it a try

[onyx sage]

i like the chameleon

[versed summit]

The real answer

[pseudo gust]

is my build ok

[patent fossil]

There's a lot of room for improvement

Recommend checking the pinned spreadsheet, it has a bunch of good build guides of various types

Striker is one of the most popular and easy to farm/use

[pseudo gust]

can you tag the channel for me im trying to find it

[sullen night]

1st link in pins

[urban latch]

You dont really have a build right now, it's more just random pieces of gear. While point of a build is getting everything working together towards a goal

[patent fossil]

The pinned messages in this channel, if you're on the phone app then tap the channel name at the top and then pins

[subtle bluff]

Specifically there’s a Farm guide. Take a look at that.

[pseudo gust]

thanks

[lament birch]

That 6.4% makes me very sad…

I gotta check the one in my stash after this mission

I’m losing out on -8.6% in damage compared to my strikers mask

[subtle bluff]

Just reconfigure the core to red

[strong cave]

Chow, that's a coyote mask my dude

He would have to reconfigure the entire mask (reroll the exotic mask at the bench)

[subtle bluff]

Derp derp

[lament birch]

Exotics are barred from normal means, Chowie

[lament birch]

Hue hue, it’s all good

My coyotes: in comparison to one another

[lament birch]

How’s this look-?

[hexed steppe]

So all your text gets attached
#ask-td2-community message

[solar sable]

video shows EB not Chameleon...

no, it's just that I find it confusing that the screenshots show Cham and the vid runs with EB

[subtle bluff]

What's going on?

[noble bramble]

ssssooooo....... automated defense parts..... whats the best way to go about getting these?

[subtle bluff]

Why only 3pcs striker?

[astral kraken]

@lament birch ^

[solar sable]

if you don't want striker bag use memento and striker mask :D

[lament birch]

I really want a memento amorous— but I only have one ninja bag still

[lament birch]

I forgot to swap out the backpack before I left

[lament birch]

That’s…actually my end goal, I always wanted that pack

My normal set up for a while has been Strikers for everything but the chest (Obliterate) and pack (Bloosucker) with their respective mod chips slotted in to maximum their respective boons

[solar sable]

I once had a friend who also told me to use grupo chest & grupo Bloodsucker for AoK. Back then I didn't know much but never ever tried to make that build since I knew something was wrong and I didn't feel like going for survivability, and never will

[shy willow]

i have come a long way from trying to run 6 pieces of umbra

[lament birch]

Umbra-?

I only use the mask for aesthetics

[shy willow]

dps gearset with some regen baked in

pretty good alternative to striker for beginners

even later on it holds its own in pvp and you can do funnies with the rpm buff

[solar sable]

would you believe my newbie dumbass never knew how Umbra worked?

[shy willow]

it is not beyond the realm of possibility

[runic gust]

im looking for a new build to play, currently using feedback loop cluster seeker and emp sticky

[hallow arch]

Eclipse Protocol shotgun build thing (I still don't have electrique smh)

the kneepads are Grease though

[astral kraken]

you have room for 1 red core

since you're running technician

better to run survivalist tho

[hallow arch]

I'll do that after I complete technician tree

[astral kraken]

you get fire grenades which have a long burn time. and your teammates get +10% dtoc to enemies that are status affected.

[hallow arch]

which also includes me right?

(because yk, I go solo all of them time lmao)

[astral kraken]

nope

just teammates, excludes you

also run lefty shotgun since it has the sledgehammer talent

things you grenade get debuffed even more

[hallow arch]

problem is, enemies tend to roll away from the grenades smh

maybe I'll just use a riot foam chem launcher

[astral kraken]

that's exactly what i do. riot foam and fire sticky.

enter room, foam enemies, fire sticky them, watch them burn
switch to lefty, throw fire grenade at spawn door, watch them burn
foam more if needed
repeat

for the main weapon i use a capacitor tho b/c it has decent damage

[hallow arch]

and then mop?

[astral kraken]

i can aim at heavy weakpoints and such

so in a team i'll run scorpio and lefty. lefty for debuffs and scorpio for even more debuffs.

[grand girder]

MORE DEBUFFS!

[astral kraken]

if solo i run capacitor and lefty. lefty for debuffs and capacitor for more precise shooting when needed

[hallow arch]

sounds good to me

[astral kraken]

foam is just too good. you can also use it defensively if you get in trouble.

like if a hyena rusher comes out of nowhere. foam her and run away.

[hallow arch]

What about Firewall?

After all my EP build if focused on Fire

[cosmic wing]

Survivalist for groups and firewall for solo is what I do

[lament birch]

No one told me that Lexi had a Tar-21 twin.

Just used the Railsplitter in my latest True Sons Retal, she is a speedy lil gun :DD

I rarely used my Broker this time XD

[astral kraken]

correction: survivalist gives your group an amp, not dtoc. sorry about that.

[hazy steeple]

It just hit me that Survivalist/Survival/Survivors is going to cause some future confusion.

[lament birch]

Love my Lexi/Really enjoying her TAR-21 twin already.

[fleet compass]

what build should i use for nemesis?

[hallow arch]

Update on the Eclipse Protocol build: I lagged for 10 seconds and my armor and health bar got vaporized

3 misses with the burn sticky, and 3 frames per never

very painful

[hexed steppe]

its pretty easy to get wrecked with eclipse. there is a fairly steep learning curve for fire chem since your dealing with traveltime and needing to ignite. you kinda have to predict where npcs are gonna run too or know the spawns. lag would only compound that

[kind epoch]

anyone want an equalizer? i have 5 equalizers now 😂