td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

Yes for both short and long ones.

Round 3.. Hopefully that's everything...

[wraith zealot]

so generally speaking, PObli is better except for GC right?

[subtle bluff]

I want to make a Menemto one but ya..

It's interesting if you look at the weapons

[subtle bluff]

Elmo Ceska by lil over 1% is winning over P. Obli. But otherwise yes.

I have go math out my love Iron Lung... Tomorrow task.

[solar sable]

Iron Lung makes me fall in love.

[cerulean smelt]

mine's in a umbra nimble holster build (> <)

[native plume]

I just recently found out that PFE could applies to your Shield, is there anything else could apply to it that im not aware of?

[stone python]

is this a new bug or smt? team mate cant upgrade a proficient backpack somehow

[strong cave]

Has he tried to going the providence defense brand tab?

Hope they know applying expertise to the armor is a waste of materials

[urban latch]

game is trying to do them a solid and trying to save them from wasting mats

[kind epoch]

who asked about the equalizer earlier tonight?

[subtle bluff]

Probably a lot.

[scenic whale]

Maybe the rest of your tech that has a health bar is my guess

Hive, drones, turrets, etc

[native plume]

Im trying to look for a build for Legendary Stronghold
I had a quick game earlier unfortunately didnt have recording on but there were 2 guys running shield and shotgun fighting upclose and just decimated everything and didnt even need heals

Extra armor gain frequently

[scenic whale]

Probably matador or heart breaker

[native plume]

Survivalist specialization since i saw they pull out crossbow

[scenic whale]

Survivalist gets 10% PFE so yeah

[subtle bluff]

Solo or group play?

[native plume]

4 man group

[scenic whale]

To hit the PFE cap, I don’t know if they were decimating content if it’s blue core heart breaker that’s for sure

Though depending on what build you have their TTK being fast enough will look like they’re rolling the content

[subtle bluff]

They're not tanks. Depending on modifiers it buffs them.

Need for context about them. Also what season it was.

[native plume]

That game was just now

[scenic whale]

Cause I remember you brought this up with Minitank, do you have a recording or clip this time to show it

[subtle bluff]

Idk what modifiers are doing atm. So I can't say. Without modifiers I'd question stuff.

[gentle lichen]

Hhf?

[native plume]

So it has to be modifiers then

[scenic whale]

They’re not that strong this season , skill efficiency some mild weapon damage boosts but nothing like last season

[native plume]

Their gameplay was honestly kinda like cheating 😅

High damage, extra armor to the point that dont need heals and their shield almost never breaks

They just fight point blank from the beginning to the end with shotguns

[subtle bluff]

What mission and 3 or 4 man?

I can do that for the most part.

[native plume]

Capitol Building stronghold legendary 4 man group

[subtle bluff]

It could have been HHF. You can one shot and camp half the spawns.

[gentle lichen]

Doesn't explain the bonus armor

[subtle bluff]

Next time grab names and ss we can look into it. Memento.

[native plume]

I didnt really pay attention to these Legendary missions until I notice they drop loot with pretty high rolls so I'll be focusing on them more

[junior parrot]

Where do you start with a skill build? I want to use seekers and either turret or hive

[urban latch]

https://youtu.be/OJQ07uYgRLQ?si=57hHvCF4FjmoO4FF

[native plume]

Looks pretty similar but execpt for the Armor

[strong cave]

Definitely modifier buffs

[subtle bluff]

What SHD are you?

[junior parrot]

212

[subtle bluff]

You have a build already to farm in CD?

[junior parrot]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

HW, China light chest w/GC and BTSU. It's kind of slow in solo play but there.

[junior parrot]

For guns do I use the the capacitor and what’s GC?

[subtle bluff]

The Mop w/sync and Capacitor

[junior parrot]

Gotcha

[meager fog]

GC = Glass Cannon (chest talent)

[subtle bluff]

@meager fog you saw my post for UA stuff?

[meager fog]

Yes, im at work though so I havent looked at it yet

I'm assuming its a Ceska/UA comparison?

[subtle bluff]

And NBB because....

Reasons

[meager fog]

Afaik theres like a ~1% difference in DPS between UA/Ceska, right?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the weapon a lot.

It's pretty interesting.

[meager fog]

UA wins for SMGs?

Because brrr brrr

[subtle bluff]

I didn't do SMG. Most likely due to having more crit

[untold fulcrum]

How long time does it take to get The huntsman AR?

[buoyant perch]

#ask-td2-community

[meager fog]

I'm interested now. SMG UA vs Sokolov vs Grupo

Mainly Grupo vs UA

[magic pilot]

UA will win most likely

[meager fog]

My thoughts too, just interested by how much

Is it an option kind of thing, or is it just outright better

[wraith zealot]

UA on chatterbox?

PObl

at what point stacking fire rate should stop? when sounds starts glitching? 🤔

[stone python]

Any new brand set build?

Unit alloys

[trim abyss]

I made a UA build and then quickly took it off becuae it just doesnt stack up to TIpping Scales + bluescreen

[honest moss]

Bittersweet triggers f.i, gonna assume we don't know what to run for it yet but i think i might try it on a red f.i build. Either crit based or if i can i will go red + skill repair for bigger bonus armour to whoever gets healed.

[fallen comet]

Is unit alloys good enough to replace ceska in striker builds?

[magic pilot]

Not really worth outside memes

[lament reef]

jury is: maybe

you lose chc so you have to make it up with less chd

But! the rof increase is nice

last i saw was the burst is better but the sustained damage is worse

[strong cave]

burst is better, sustained/mag damage is worse. nothing will replace ceska/striker chest on Legendary/Mastery/Raids

[meager fog]

Short answer. Its close enough.

Long answer: Noooooo

[fallen comet]

Damn it. Was excited for it

[meager fog]

Its not that it outclasses it massively, its close.

#td2-build-advice message

Heres the math for you.

[strong cave]

in a nutshell: the meta hasnt been shaken up, if at all

we've just been introduced slightly different options in terms of increasing burst or keeping sustained. thats about it

[buoyant perch]

Perfect obliterate is better than ceska obliterate in all aspects, faster stack, better sustained dps, better burst dps. Completely replaces it.
https://youtu.be/33WBeYpvvRA?si=AU51wcNuVd5QUitA&t=1124

@lament reef do you even know who iKia is?

[lament reef]

The swedish furniture store? Yeah i have a chair and table from there

[buoyant perch]

that's the author's the spreadsheet that Chow was modifying to do his calculation

math wise there's no more respected member in the community than him

[meager fog]

And as Chow showed. PGC has not been replaced. So the meta is the same.

[buoyant perch]

I already specified ceska obliterate

[astral kraken]

It doesn't completely replace it. The damage per mag is still higher with ceska.

So if you care about mag damage it's worth staying with ceska.

[meager fog]

Its also like a 1-2% difference in Burst/Sustain looking at iKias video

[astral kraken]

(yes I've seen the video you watched)

[meager fog]

So it's hardly a world beating change.

[astral kraken]

Well higher is higher. If you're optimizing for burst/sustain then it's better, straight up.

Doesn't matter if it's 1% or 0.2%

Doesn't mean you have to use it. It's stating the facts.

[meager fog]

Of course, but we're back at the "changes that 99% of players won't notice" area.

Similar to how everyone wants the Lexington because of a 3% damage difference over the M4.

I'm not saying you're wrong btw

I'm more interested if there's a bigger change for SMGs in the same spot

[astral kraken]

Surely there is since you're losing much less crit

Whatever difference there was with ARs will be more pronounced with SMGs

[meager fog]

Yeah it has to be bigger, because of the RoF difference as well, 5% ROF on an SMG is much larger.

I just wondered how much more

Backfire,4pc strikers memento, with P.Oblit chest...

[lament reef]

hollow man equilizer backfire build 🔥 🔥 🔥

(not serious)

[magic pilot]

3% change from Lex to m4 1-2% change from old setup to UA

It adds up fast

[meager fog]

Yeah i'm not arguing the point that it's better

[magic pilot]

I just dislike the argument of "it's only x % better why change it" because if you apply that to every piece performance is completely different

[meager fog]

Sure, I get that.

But sweating over it, for the majority wont matter in the end.

I'm in the camp that you could buff every piece you're wearing by 1% and most wouldnt even notice. Until it stacked to a decent amount.

[fallen comet]

So, ceska is still king?

[kind epoch]

dang it, i finally rolled a perfect obliterate last night 😂 3 actually

[astral kraken]

depends on the build

if it's the standard striker then equalizer will have better burst/sustain

[fallen comet]

What if i remove Coyote's and wear salvo for 2piece UA?

[magic pilot]

Math wise not worth with mid or close buff

[onyx sage]

what i want to add is for solo the differences are so tiny it wouldn't matter. but it would matter if in groups, the UA non-coyote builds will benefit from coyote buffs from teammates

[kind epoch]

does heroic/legendary difficulty give higher tier level gear? i've seen players just ripping through hunters in CD like they're nothing 😅 especially my last round. one dude was just obliterating them within seconds

[solar sable]

just a slightly higher chance to get better rolls on gear and weapons, the build on the other hand is what does best at dealing DMG. Last night I was rocking a Tipping Scales build with Overdogs (& Iron Lung) and you start off with 600-700k dmg and it scales up as you spend more time shooting, that being said I saw 1-2.7mil DMG with Countdown buffs. CD gives buffs so these numbers outside in the LZ are going to vary

A lot of people run Strikers, HE, and other variants of Strikers that they like
Gotta love the ones that foam the Hunters and we can just melt them lmfao

[hexed steppe]

who does that?

[solar sable]

EP is king

[kind epoch]

yeah im running a 3pc striker, equalizer, coyote mask, and some kinda european named holster 😅 with bluescreen. i died one too many times with iron lung even though i love using iron lung in open world

but these guys are running around with what seems like smgs (someone was even using bombs? the explosions itself literally killed them without anyone shooting, that surprised me) and running much quicker than i am. so now im wondering if im doing something wrong. that last round i was literally just collecting loot because they were killing really, really fast 😂

[hexed steppe]

3pc striker is a bad idea. its either 4pc or no piece with most gearsets

[onyx sage]

go 4p striker or go home

[kind epoch]

so if i wanna keep the mask and chest piece, i gotta switch out the holster. but im currently getting 60% CHC and 80% CHD and dont wanna lose it 😅

[meager fog]

80% CHD isnt good.

Strikers sits around 57/140

[kind epoch]

then i am for sure doing something wrong

[meager fog]

Can we see? Build, stats, mods, attributes?

[honest moss]

I get 60/100~ (61CHC) but i am kinda lazy and don't change much. Do you run demo or firewall for the better weapon mod?

[meager fog]

I'll load up inna second and show you the basic set up

[meager fog]

You run Gunner for Aok

[slate jungle]

quick question: would it be better to run salvo holster here instead of the named chestpiece ?
Im thinking: More Firerate through Salvo -> More Striker Stacks through Striker Chestplate -> More DMG -> same Survivability ?
Or am i overlooking smth ?

Build is by NothingButSkillz on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9E8t8zXOHw)

[meager fog]

I'll be blunt.

What ever you run here is pointless. You have no damage

[kind epoch]

I will when I get back on. I have CHC mods on 3pcs and the rest have CHD and weapon damage as attributes

[honest moss]

I thought so, i really gotta redo my mods/rolls sometime then to get a bit more chd.

[slate jungle]

its putting out good numbers for the tankyness it has, thats why i wanted to try it out @meager fog
Currently running this as my Main (see Screenshot). Its very very good but always playing the same Build kinda sucks tbh

[meager fog]

Nothing to do with "tankiness" that doesnt exist.

You're putting out less damage than team mates, hence why it feels tankier.

Enemies target the person dealing the most damage

[slate jungle]

oh okay, then i'll stick to my roots. thx for the quick advice :)

[meager fog]

Backfire works, and it's strong.

But thats far too much blue.

CHD needs something to multiply by

[slate jungle]

like amp dmg from overdogs or can you explain what that means ?

[lament reef]

it multiplies your base weapon damage, which is currently lower than it should be

[meager fog]

Everything is based on your weapon damage. Everything is multiplied by that number. CHD, HSD, DTA, DTH, AMP everything.

[meager fog]

This is your very basic, very easy to farm strikers.

This is what the stats look like

[slate jungle]

i just dont understand how you manage to play this game with 840k armor and a shield that gets destroyed in 3secs

i suppose i gotta get better at the game xD

[lament reef]

yeah you need to get shot less

[astral kraken]

Your memento build is very good but the play style is different. With your memento/elmo build you can push more aggressively and DPS trade with enemies. That's a very very good thing which is probably why you like the build so much. Nothing wrong with it. Even in group settings if you play aggressively you'll be able to pick up enough trophies.

If you run all red you just have to use cover more. Don't use short cover (where you peek above) and try to use tall cover (where you peek around the sides).

[kind epoch]

so my holster has a 8% CHC on it instead of sticking on a mod

[astral kraken]

Another thing you can do is take a standard red striker and add 2 blue cores to it. Then as you improve remove a blue core. Then improve some more and remove another blue core. Then you'll be all red.

IMO the best way is to just run glass cannon and learn. Watch this fancy player's videos and take notes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRy9fpyjnf0

[slate jungle]

@astral kraken great advice, thank you :)

[astral kraken]

Some say he lurks around here sometimes 🙂

[meager fog]

Same basic build, using the skills to try take aggro from you.

Important for full reds to learn too

[hexed steppe]

without that striker buff, those striker pieces are dead weight. your mask or holster needs to be striker

[astral kraken]

tbh that's a really bad example. You've run that mission thousands of times and know exactly what to expect. When people struggle with all red it's b/c they're doing fresh encounters with unexpected stuff.

[slate jungle]

anyone fancying the turmoils or shit ?

[astral kraken]

That mission is also very linear

[kind epoch]

that drops me down to 39CHC and raises CHD to 83

[hexed steppe]

you get what im saying right

[astral kraken]

Not really worth it unless you really know what you're doing in specific situations. I've been using it a lot lately but it's to solve some specific problems I've been running into in matchmaking. I'd say keep it around and maybe experiment with it so you can see where it might help you.

[hexed steppe]

your chd/chc doesnt mean much if you are losing the biggest multiplier of that set

[meager fog]

Turmoil doubles your TTK on the enemy you target.

It works with huge damage builds, and it works with builds with very high damage per shot. But it's too random to be useful in alot ofr situations

[hexed steppe]

read the striker 4pc talent

[kind epoch]

the striker's gamble?

[meager fog]

You have the wrong attributes or mods on your pieces if you're that low

[onyx sage]

no he doesn't

[hexed steppe]

thats besides the point. they not even using the strongest part of the set

[kind epoch]

i've got CHC mod on all possible pieces and CHD attributes

[meager fog]

THose are some low CHC mods if that's the case, should also be using CHC on all weapon mod slots

[kind epoch]

oh, i've got CHD instead 😂

[meager fog]

CHd is useless without regular Crits.

[hexed steppe]

this is one of those useless interactions i need to see myself out of

[kind epoch]

my CHC mods are around 5.5ish. highest one is 5.9

[hexed steppe]

carry on

[slate jungle]

one last question then i'll be gone for today.
is this viable or would you guys rather take salvo rather then Fox's Prayer ?

or maybe even equalizer but im not feeling that as much as the striker plate

[hexed steppe]

why cant i ever get my twitch drops from you grandson?

[hexed steppe]

viable but better with a ceska glass/oblit chest rather than fox's

[slate jungle]

maybe 2 blue cores and not 1 for my dum ass

[onyx sage]

maybe one day i will apply for partner but that's not happening anytime soon

[hexed steppe]

dont bother with blue, use a revive hive

[astral kraken]

It's not bad. I'd run Ceska knees since you're probably crit starved. You'll have a hard time getting to 200 stacks though.

[meager fog]

I mean maybe, but this entire game in that respect comes down to memorising things.

Adding a few blue cores as you said helps in the beginning, but ultimately running full red requires that kind of memory.

ALl missions have the same spawn points when you hit that sort of gameplay.

[astral kraken]

Basically for the chest you need encounters where you shoot and shoot... and shoot... and shoot... non stop.

[slate jungle]

thats why its bussin in countdown so much, get it

[astral kraken]

A better example would be open world content and/or difficult missions where random stuff happens to trip you up.

[astral kraken]

Run an ACS with foam. Run up to bad guy, foam, stack with ACS, now you're at full stacks.

(for countdown specifically)

[meager fog]

But even for open world stuff, spawns are still set. After so long you'll learn them.

Same with all missions, I get your point though

[kind epoch]

are you saying even core attribute should also be chc? is that possible?

[meager fog]

Core attribute is always Weapon damage, armour or skill tier. and that is based on the piece, it's never random.

[magic pilot]

UA chest>ceska

[kind epoch]

luckily i have an umodified backup striker set 😂

[hexed steppe]

wouldnt know, i always run nego XD

[slate jungle]

@magic pilot this would be your best bet ?

[magic pilot]

I'd probably go UA chest for Nego too

[kind epoch]

gotcha so strikers will always be dmg

[magic pilot]

Yea looks good

[hexed steppe]

better than glass?

[astral kraken]

NO

[meager fog]

Yes, strikers will always roll weapon damage. Which also weights it towards red attribute rolls.

[magic pilot]

I'd run glass UA instead of PGC most likely

[slate jungle]

better to have CHC or CHD on weapon ?

[meager fog]

UA glass chest does slightly more than Ceska glass. but PGC has the highest burst and sustain

[meager fog]

Damage to target out of cover, always.

[slate jungle]

like lexington

i mean mods

[meager fog]

Mods always CHC

[hexed steppe]

chc mods

[slate jungle]

alright alright, ima try that one out now and remove 1 blue core the better i get

[astral kraken]

all it's missing is glass cannon

[slate jungle]

@astral kraken you tryna get me killed, i see yu xd

[astral kraken]

church of glass always welcomes new members

[meager fog]

Glass cannon is the best way to learn

You learn to keep your head hidden fast

[hexed steppe]

also missing some mods there

bag/chest

[slate jungle]

ye ye, alrdy slotted. 55 CHC 105 CHD :)

[meager fog]

Thems better looking numbers

[slate jungle]

ima go get killed a few times and cry about it, then learn, remove blue core, repeat, add glass cannon, repeat

[meager fog]

Things start to slot into place, you'll see why the Church of full red is king.

[slate jungle]

see ya in 4 weeks when i hopefully ascended to a new realm of division 2 experience xd thank you guys

[subtle bluff]

Your build is fine as is just play and learn!

If you have more questions afterwards come back and ask!

[meager fog]

We're here to help, Full red isn't just a build, it's a playstyle you have to learn.

Keep yourself hidden, keep away from the enemies when you can

[hexed steppe]

in 4 weeks youll be ready to be blown away by nego, like @meager fog was

😎

[subtle bluff]

There are many things to do.

[meager fog]

Nego is a whole other level of stupid

[slate jungle]

@meager fog real life father - part time division father. what a legend xd

[subtle bluff]

Should I play the clip?

[meager fog]

Full time division father too, my clan has over 70 members lmao....started from nothing

[meager fog]

Almost everything I know I learned from this lovely gentleman

[slate jungle]

bmw as a profile picture, automatically cracked in div 2

there is no second option to this xDDDD

[subtle bluff]

I’m just a decent player

[meager fog]

Chow is a monster, you're not ready for his stoopid runs yet

[meager fog]

Always play the clip

[subtle bluff]

It’s my student’s car.

[slate jungle]

always good to see some1 with good taste. the car brand originiates from my home :)

[hexed steppe]

funny medic combo

[quartz ermine]

I nicknamed it "Panzer" for obvious reasons

[hexed steppe]

journey cache #3

[lament reef]

not great, not terrible

[hexed steppe]

its coherent anyways

[subtle bluff]

FML… I can’t do numbers..

[meager fog]

Maffs

[subtle bluff]

My dumbass didn’t think to look at what the base WD I was taking from… not a m4..

[kind epoch]

that's what i gotta learn 😂

[tardy nacelle]

@subtle bluff been playing the HF build for a good amount today I like it

Moved to the Backfire variant though

well not variant its the same crap just with a Ceska chest

SMGs feel hella nice crit wise

[subtle bluff]

HF is really kind OP for solo play.

Other than waiting around for a boss to spawn.

[tardy nacelle]

The only thing that pissed me off while doing bounties was when those wolf claw enemies were at like 30+ meters behind cover

I dunno whats their exact name but know which ones I mean

[astral kraken]

Use cover-to-cover movement to close distance. You take reduced damage and move a little faster.

[tardy nacelle]

The guys with the big head armor

[astral kraken]

You can use cover-to-cover to escape bad situations too.

[tardy nacelle]

Yeah I was trying to get into it

Cause I was playing AR Striker like only before so having to push a bit closer on some bad enemy spawns was kinda rough

[pliant pelican]

this a good build? or eh

[onyx sage]

not really

[pliant pelican]

welp scrapping we go.

[onyx sage]

iron lung and fox are good tho

[gentle lichen]

That looks like a pvp build ngl

[pliant pelican]

ah. got it from a journal mission #2 i beliv

[subtle bluff]

Things to keep tbh

[subtle bluff]

Ya you can still shoot at range with it all but ya

[pliant pelican]

i do have the items thats worth keeping so prob scrap.

[silent storm]

Depending on attributes all of that can be good

[stone python]

Was checking this 14k SHD level player he is using Salvo + equalizer + strikers

New meta?

stats

[astral kraken]

the only meta is the friends we made along the way

[tardy nacelle]

god forbid a guy gets some CHC

[subtle bluff]

Hw has the wrong weapon stats selected it’s higher than that.

[strong cave]

What the fk is that? So PvE caches are offering dumpster fire pvp builds?

[subtle bluff]

But trust SHD doesn’t mean you’re a good player…. You do not want to see an example of that…

[pliant pelican]

i got it from the jounral mission 2 reward. i got another one with striker + coyote mask from reward 3.

ig its random sets once you complete em?

[magic pilot]

Old meta PvP builds, devs don't even know what people are using atm

[candid depot]

im just wondering: how long ago?

[magic pilot]

Hard to say honestly. I've been playing for so long everything blends together

[subtle bluff]

I was thinking I’ve seen that build at some point. Probably when I first started playing.

[magic pilot]

Umbra has been top in PvP for over a year now though

[subtle bluff]

I’d say around TU20

[magic pilot]

When did you start again?

[subtle bluff]

TU20 but not really till TU21 when I got into having real builds lol 😄

[magic pilot]

I know rogue gold likes running a similar build but with eb

[honest moss]

Just to confirm, UA GC vs PGC vs Ceska GC, It goes PGC>UA GC>Ceska GC?

I have a UA GC, wondering if i should update my builds.

[astral kraken]

this is still the best

[torpid hollow]

are there any viable tech builds? turrents and drones type stuff?

[astral kraken]

this has 1.6% more burst but 2.6% worse mag damage

but if you include headshots the first one wins on burst too

[glad heart]

I run the Gift, but still with a Ceska chest with obliterate

[astral kraken]

oh also unit will fall off some more if you're using measured

but i hate mathing out measured so just guessing on that one

[glad heart]

GC is just too squishy, and they keep pumping up the AI

[astral kraken]

there's no point in doing that. 2pc providence gives you 8% chc just like 1pc ceska. and you're leaving 5% amp on the table by not running sacrifice.

[glad heart]

Yeah I know, but the incoming damage is tough, I do not run a shield ever.

[astral kraken]

glass and shield don't mix. but the 10% more incoming damage you shouldn't feel.

[magic pilot]

The AI hasn't been changed in years

So not sure what you are talking about

[torpid hollow]

whats the best way to farm for the chest? i need to get a new one for my build (i accidently ate my old one 🙁 )

[astral kraken]

yea AI is the same. thats usually a placebo. i know how you feel. sometimes i come back after a break and need to get used to it again.

[glad heart]

For the Ceska chest? That is a tough farm for that... very hard to get to drop with CHC and CHD or one of them with Obliterate....

[glad heart]

Yeah I been getting tore up from the floor up the last couple days...

[astral kraken]

might be the damage reduction from seasonal modifiers

that 60% is brutal

[glad heart]

I have that stuff turned off. and yeah that 60% was like well... NOT

[astral kraken]

i usually go memento striker when i'm feeling off until i start reading the ai again

then striker obliterate. then back to glass.

[subtle bluff]

Yes Refactor

[glad heart]

I have run memento with striker too, maybe I should go back to it for a little while. I am 72, so I guess I just slow down a bit more every day ... haha

[honest moss]

Thank you!

[astral kraken]

that's awesome

[torpid hollow]

cool i might give that ago at some point, its a pity the game isnt better ballanced id love to see some more blue and yellow builds going on in here

[subtle bluff]

I mean.. It plays decently into the setting that bullets hurts same boom booms.

[subtle bluff]

There's enough yellow builds.

[kind epoch]

Does anyone ever mix OD with LMG for the hollow point ammo?

[subtle bluff]

It's the OD's meta

It's all in the build hub.

It's really good.

[kind epoch]

I have to check it out then

[kind epoch]

I can kinda tell. I swapped out my striker pieces for OD pieces and I found I play better lol simply because of HP ammo

[hazy steeple]

Just one thing about OD builds: make sure you follow the guides, you don't want to make the common mistake of trying to focus too much on the bleed bullets themselves.

[kind epoch]

I’m just simply using HP ammo with bluescreen’s effects, along with the 200 mag capacity so I can imagine how much more damage the proper set can put out

[kind epoch]

Holy crap O.o

[magic pilot]

Yea I'm not clicking that link

@pearl atlas

[kind epoch]

am i looking at blue OD y6 s3 by prodigy reflex?

[subtle bluff]

No.
OD Tinkerer Red

[solar sable]

long gdoc on OD

[kind epoch]

thanks. i just saw it

[half cedar]

Hmmmm Mg5 eh.

I usually like Stoner Lmg instead. Or Mark 46

[solar sable]

just because it has a bigger mag doesn't mean it's better

[half cedar]

No. More bc I prefer the Recoil control. Is better.

[solar sable]

weapon mods + pull your stick down helps btw

[half cedar]

True.

[solar sable]

MG5 and m249 have high base DMG with decent mag sizes, that's why it's recommended

[onyx sage]

people who can control recoil would just use the higher damage weapon

[solar sable]

it's not that hard to pull down bro 🙏

[buoyant perch]

Mark 46 (MK46/M249) is one of the better LMG

So keep using that one

[half cedar]

I think at one poijt I run OD with Blue screen + Pulse. Before Tinkerer exist

[onyx sage]

that's fine but that's your preference, m249/mk46 is just the best one to run

[half cedar]

I gotta try mg5 at least to see how it goes. Since I havent used that one yet.

[magic pilot]

That guy is a weirdo!

[subtle bluff]

Seriously

[subtle bluff]

If you read guide you'll see why we don't use any exotics weapons in the build.

[cerulean smelt]

but reading is hard! 😹

[lone kelp]

Its not hard
Just takes too much work and time
Lazyness at it best

[hexed steppe]

i dont think they were using tinkerer so idk why knowing why that build doesnt use exotics was relevant...

bluescreen od is solid

[cerulean smelt]

well, people probably have a mentality that Exotics are the End all Be all for builds

[hexed steppe]

wouldnt overdogs still be better than tinkerer at this point?

personally if i run od its with bluescreen and carnage, 350 bleed rounds on reserve and all with no restriction on which weapon i use

[cerulean smelt]

did you notice in the video mrchow might have old man eyes like us @hexed steppe #td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

run this back again with overdogs and carnage when you get a chance. same wicked bag

crit/bleed with carnage... idk if tinkerer is where its at anymore

[solar sable]

hmmmm

looks tentative

[subtle bluff]

Why overdogs is in the guide. A lot of us hate how that gun handles.

[hexed steppe]

tinkerer meta?

isnt handling just a learned skill XD

holding down or w/e

[solar sable]

carnage's recoil sucks 😔

[hexed steppe]

bluescreen was hitting hard as well, and thats all handling

im just splitting hairs tho... idt tinkerer is very good anymore. not meta anyways... but its all a downgrade from nego , so it is what it is

[solid hound]

if I have 99.9% bleed resistance should i even bother stacking more hazpro?

for a backfire build

[hexed steppe]

no

[solid hound]

didn't think so, thanks

[hexed steppe]

the sheet has a resistance chart that lists the immune threshholds

[solar sable]

but... why?

[solid hound]

fun

[hexed steppe]

Bleed 93.8
Blind/Deaf 91
Burn 91.4
Disorient 93.8
Disrupt 95.8
Ensnare 93.8
Poison 89.2
Shock 86
Pulse 100

Napalm (cleaners) 88.9

[solid hound]

ye im lookn at it rn on the sheet

[subtle bluff]

more fun

[solid hound]

HF is bugged this season from what i can tell

ooh that's HB

either way. i want smg fun

[subtle bluff]

sorry what?

[solid hound]

marks dont work properly

[dreamy tulip]

I cant reconfigure overdogs. Am i missing something or is it a bug?

[subtle bluff]

because you can't

[subtle bluff]

I'll check that.

[subtle bluff]

I see no issues.

other than my aim... 😐

[solid hound]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/1pf03a2/comment/nsgado9/

i posted about it the other day and im not the only one

[subtle bluff]

modifiers... hmm k I'll try tha t

[lament birch]

Chooms, imma be honest, I might’ve been really dismissive and harsh towards the crusader shield in the past— but it looks like my two blue cores doing plenty of lifting to keep this chugging along.

But man- I need better mods for my gadgets D;

[subtle bluff]

I have no issues still

[solid hound]

i couldnt get it to give me the bonus or the status effect no matter what i did

[subtle bluff]

If you have a clip then I could see

[solid hound]

i dont immediately but i'll see what i can do to make one

[hallow arch]

Y'all got any healer builds outside of the build hub?

[subtle bluff]

maybe why..

[subtle bluff]

Yes it does more but on conditional, the reload sucks more the m249
I barely get away doing incursion MG5 but I can't do it on anyother LMG that reload speed is a killer. I'll try a run

[solid hound]

hum. it does seem to be working now. When I messed with it yesterday I couldn't get the marks to appear at all

[subtle bluff]

bleh

[solid hound]

i'd post the clip but i didnt realize it would pick up my music too :P

[gentle lichen]

Sharing your music taste isn't all that bad

[solid hound]

ope it's 20mb too big one sec

[subtle bluff]

Ya I put all of my stuff for this now 720 to save space

[solid hound]

i bumped it down to 720p in clipchamp

[subtle bluff]

HF at it's best

[solid hound]

i ran HF from like SHD 0 to 800 lol

[subtle bluff]

HHF for 95% of the Brooklyn DLC heroic mostly flawless other than the 2 bosses that I couldn't do HHF.

[subtle bluff]

I tried it. Not bad I ran into rogues it's burst dies out once HP is that high kind interesting.

[hexed steppe]

i mean, anything with a really high hp is gonna make you lose bleed ammo, no?

[subtle bluff]

One of my OD run I'm sure I face them

[hexed steppe]

something like bluescreen youre still able to abuse the stagger mechanic and keep wicked procced

why i never went for tinkerer on od

[subtle bluff]

Ya my M249 run I faced the same rogues

[strong cave]

Why would they LMAO considering pvp hasn't received updates in years

[meager fog]

Dont need bleed resist for backfire

[solid hound]

that's the mod I could find lol

it works tho. I'm gonna farm for better stuff eventually but I threw together what I had in my stash and still managed immunity

[subtle bluff]

I need to make a new Backfire vs faster

[bleak kernel]

I find the backfire to be very inconsistent. That weapon has abysmal accuracy, bleeds you and even the fire rate is atrocious. I have a 100 haz pro build (without modifier-with striker) yet, I have better kill time with the caretaker.

[meager fog]

You don't need any resistance, or hazard protection

[strong cave]

And yet the caretaker has abysmal accuracy as well at range

[solid hound]

then how do I negate the bleed? bloodsucker?

[strong cave]

Plus I'm willing to bet you're taking a Crit setup with caretaker and not a hazpro setup like you said with backfire. It's no wonder you have better TTK bc your up front damage is better already

[meager fog]

By keeping stakcs up or gaining temp immunity through reloading 3 times

[bleak kernel]

Negotiator

[strong cave]

A booster hive works too

[strong cave]

Yeah exactly my point-

A Crit setup and not hazpro. More up front damage due to the crits

[meager fog]

And faster clear speed because it's Nego and not strikers....

[bleak kernel]

And more headshots

[meager fog]

The most biased "test" i've ever seen

[meager fog]

What on earth are you talking about headshots for?

[strong cave]

Headshots on a Crit transfer setup? 🤔

Unless you mean hitting crit headshots

[meager fog]

Next you're going to tell me you have Headshot daamge attributes and i'm going to just leave

[bleak kernel]

You can hit more headshots with caretaker

[strong cave]

At what distance tho

[meager fog]

Who cares about headshots on a crit set up? lmao

[strong cave]

Caretaker works better as a close range weapon than it does as a normal AR

The accuracy drops off after 25m

[bleak kernel]

So headshots don't increase damage on crit builds?

[strong cave]

That's not what we are saying. We need more context. Hitting a Crit headshot is fine. But if you have all your attributes rolled to HSD then there's a problem

[bleak kernel]

Are you talking about optimal range?

[solid hound]

body shots are easier to land. when I play with my OD CHD build I aim center mass with my carnage

[strong cave]

No. The accuracy at range drops off. You'll notice the spread gets bad. Go to the range, find the distance target, set it to about 30-40m. Try to hit the target at that range

The backfire has way better accuracy even at distance 😂

[bleak kernel]

I think we are not playing the same game

[strong cave]

Shot grouping is everything. Doesn't matter how powerful a gun is if it's not accurate

[strong cave]

It's been proven to be inaccurate at range, which is why so little recommend it

[meager fog]

Backfire is far more accurate than Caretaker, this is demonstrably provable.

[strong cave]

Literally all they have to do is go to the range and set the distance target to 25, 30, 40m and shoot the target with Caretaker to see the results. Effort is hard man 😔

[bleak kernel]

Who proved it? What was the anti-thesis and the sample size?

[strong cave]

Nearly half the community before you joined 9 days ago? 💀

@subtle bluff

Chow I'm not on div 2 rn but if you can, can you prove how horrible the accuracy is with Caretaker at range?

Or @meager fog if you can easily showcase a clip too that would help 🙏

[bleak kernel]

Sure

[strong cave]

Ignore our advice but you can easily test it yourself 🤷

[subtle bluff]

wait what?

[bleak kernel]

I have, and I found it easier to handle caretaker.

[subtle bluff]

A lot of thing handle better tha BF.

[strong cave]

Well yes, but apparently caretaker has better accuracy than BF

[subtle bluff]

It does.

Just slow.

[strong cave]

True but what I'm saying is caretaker is awful for distant targets

Obviously you're not gonna use backfire for distance targets

Plus they're comparing Nego caretaker to a hazpro backfire

[bleak kernel]

Caretaker has more optimal range value I think

[subtle bluff]

I forget how it was at range. TBF before TU22 it wasn't bad. They touch the G36 in other ways on TU22

Going from SMG to AR always

[strong cave]

It does, but the optimal accuracy at range is shit

[bleak kernel]

And you can also slot the handling scope

[strong cave]

At the loss of crits?

That's forcing a star peg thru a square hole

[subtle bluff]

Caretake is something fun to use it isn't great by any means.

[bleak kernel]

You already get a ton of crit chance with negotiator

[strong cave]

Your damage lies in crit transfer. You want that to be as high as possible

Sacrificing crits for better accuracy is just nerfing yourself when a different gun can handle better and be more optimal for all ranges. Great example is Police M4 or P416. Obviously Lexington as well

[subtle bluff]

OH nvm this thing is ass at range

[strong cave]

Yeah see what I mean now? 😂 But nobody would believe me

[subtle bluff]

It's been so long

[strong cave]

😂😂 thanks for the confirmation I was waiting for

[subtle bluff]

is cham better than this?

[strong cave]

Very. Better talent and basically the same optimal range and accuracy

[bleak kernel]

Dude, it won't be worse than bf

[subtle bluff]

Here's the end point there's just better weapons out there.

[strong cave]

I mean, if caretaker is ass at range, backfire would be better. You're stuck playing close range with both guns and backfire is way stronger

[strong cave]

Backfire can handle some mid range but not anything over 30m

[subtle bluff]

I hate spamming this but this shows everything.

It's limit is like 27m

[strong cave]

3m difference but that's splitting hairs 😂

[subtle bluff]

I just know BF that well...

[strong cave]

You cleared incursion more than anyone here. Of course you do 😂

[subtle bluff]

I need to make a line or something about my DEEP knowledge of BF but won't use it

[strong cave]

I'm very tempted to compile a small "off meta" guide for players looking for different builds but aren't total scams

[subtle bluff]

I wanted to meme in BH HF HSD

and see if KVD would try to run it and jsut die you need some skill with it to do it well

well and also to show how much of copycat it is.. ANYHOO

[strong cave]

If KVD doesn't have a shield or armor bro just dies

The cherry on top was all red true Patriot in pvp. That was 💀

[subtle bluff]

🤮

[gentle lichen]

I remember dumping absolute dookie on him one match but i didn't record it or it got lost in all the videos

[subtle bluff]

ok ok enough of this moving back to topic

[strong cave]

Damn 😔 I would've paid to see it

[subtle bluff]

I wanna do a UA BH build now

[strong cave]

I will make you try that decoy build one day

Let me in for 1 Leggo run I'll prove it works 🙏 I beg

[subtle bluff]

No thanks. I'll make the uppies build before that

[strong cave]

😭😭😭

[subtle bluff]

Nahh 6 Sill Teir "Tank" is more fun

[strong cave]

You better hope I don't find you in matchmaking lolol

[subtle bluff]

The things works

It's not my build.

[strong cave]

Can't wait for my day to be over. I just wanna play div. Been a long week with work 💀

[subtle bluff]

wanna see something funny?

I'll post it in our server.

@bleak kernel did the video help you any?

[bleak kernel]

Have't seen it past a minute yet

[subtle bluff]

Just the first section should show you what you should be able to do.

I am being reckless. Showing how I can recovery and make it back.

[cerulean smelt]

you reckless? never heard of that

[bleak kernel]

Where is the backfire build. I already have a similar build. I don't go all red.

[subtle bluff]

Just go HF tbh

[bleak kernel]

I use negotiator, with caretaker and bluescreen and overdog's gloves.

[rocky cape]

Is there a new build with the new additions?

[bleak kernel]

Prolly new best striker build

[meager fog]

The new named chest is slightly better than ceska obliterate.

[strong cave]

Slightly better in burst, slightly worse in sustained/Mag damage

Would be better off running Ceska oblit for Legendary/Master/Raids and the new chest for heroic and below

[tardy nacelle]

Ngl I've truly become a full blown Strikers merchant

Whatever I try I just go back to Strikers

[astral kraken]

The sustain part depends on your weapon. With an elmo the burst and sustain are both better. But the mag damage is ~2% worse.

It's really the ROF that pushes it past ceska oblit. IDK I like the mag damage more.

[bleak kernel]

How was the average shot calculated?

[meager fog]

It literally tells you on the info graphic...

[astral kraken]

Just maths out the base damage and crit chance/damage.

[meager fog]

Maffs ™

[astral kraken]

DPS is derived from that number. It makes the DPS calculation much easier because then you just need to think about RPM, mag size, and reload (for burst and sustain)

[bleak kernel]

What?

[strong cave]

Using a DPS calculator

Division is very math heavy and it takes a lot of formulas and extensive testing to generate full numbers

[grand girder]

nah gun go brrr = gaming

[strong cave]

Ofc bro in firing range we trust 🙏

How'd you test your build?

"The firing range"

[grand girder]

"I get 20m dps it must be good" "hows the survivability??" "... piss off"

[strong cave]

Firing range says 20m DPS but that number is never accurate 😂

[meager fog]

Survivability doesnt exist in Div2.

Just stop getting shot

[strong cave]

Don't let last season's modifier players tell you otherwise, there'll be hell to pay

[meager fog]

I hate when Massive give us free haz pro in season modifiers....everyobe starts trying hazpro Backfire again...

[bleak kernel]

Is it 100% accurate.

[meager fog]

Yes.

[strong cave]

Yes. It's proven to be

[grand girder]

unless the mathematician is stupid yes

[meager fog]

Why has this guy been in here today trying to reinvent the wheel?

[grand girder]

triangles work a treat

[strong cave]

"because fun bro"

Sadly, fun ≠ efficient with div

[meager fog]

We're here for the maffs.

[grand girder]

I'm here for the drama personally

[astral kraken]

No. That spreadsheet tool generates "checking" numbers. So you go to the range and the damage you do should line up with what the checking numbers say. It's usually off by a few digits but it's very small.

The reason is we don't know the exact damage calculation that the game makes. We don't know how it's rounding numbers for example. So what we can do is make a guess and then check that guess against the damage numbers we see in the range.

[meager fog]

What he means, before you run away with that, is its as accurate as it will ever be.

[astral kraken]

If it's off by 1-10 integers then it's close enough to be accurate for gameplay. If it's off by like... 100... then something is wrong with the calculation.

So it's not 100% accurate but it's 99.9% accurate 🙂

For average shot you can basically do this:
BASE*(AWD+SWD+GRADE)*TWD*((CHC*CHD)+HSD)*DTOC*(DTA+DTH)*MULTI1*MULTI2

[bleak kernel]

Yes, I was indirectly wanting to know the level of accuracy. Given we have quite a number of known and unknown variables.

[astral kraken]

All the variables are known. But it's still a computer and it's floating point arithmetic.

If there was a variable we didn't know exists then it would create a big margin of error that'd be easy to notice.

Right now the margin of error is so small that it's not noticeable.

(it would be easy to notice because there's a lot of multiplication going on so errors get amplified in the final result)

The one thing the checking numbers can't save you from is RPM and mag size errors. I made that mistake once when copy/pasting. The damage output is the same so the range verified my input with the right damage. But since I screwed up the RPM/mag size the burst/sustain output was wrong.

And there was no way to know basically :/ Only by double checking my inputs.

[bleak kernel]

I was aware of how computers use an algorithm to generate random numbers.

Thanks for the explanation

[visual python]

Is quickstep no longer in the loot pool? I skipped the pact because I was burnt out of div2.

[grand girder]

you can still get it from the cache obtained from the bounty

[meager fog]

Quickstep was never in the loot pool, its event exclusive but if you find someone with bounties available you can still get it

[urban latch]

The game only shows whole numbers, but there are decimals in the damage calc. But when your doing the damage numbers we are all doing it ends up being a completely insignificant difference. You can calc what an expected shot doing 100 million damage and be off by at most double digits, so that's 7 sig figs worth of accuracy

[visual python]

Damn ok. So I missed out on a huge QoL weapon.

[grand girder]

ask someone to host the bounty for you and you can still obtain it

[meager fog]

It'll return in future events

[grand girder]

just gonna take a lil bit of grinding

[meager fog]

It'll likely be part of the loot goblin event loot pool

[visual python]

Will do I'll try that. Like I said I skipped out on season 2 mainly because of burn out, and also grinding stretch goals from Y7S1 for lexingtons.

Plus I wanted to play some new titles. Is there anything for this season worth grinding for gear wise?

[old wind]

Hey guys, any meta build Infinite Seeker build?

[meager fog]

Nothing that won't be in the game in future if you're on a break

[visual python]

👍

[meager fog]

And honestly, the seaonal modifier isn't really worth playing.

It's a fun little gimmick, but just an annoyance imo

[glass dagger]

In their current state the companions are a detriment to fast paced gameplay, the buff with them turned off easily compensates for them being absent. It means I can focus more on situational awareness and target prioritization instead of micromanaging a "toddler". I've completed all my journey missions so for me there is no need for them slowing me down. They are a good idea but they need more "maturity" to be an effective addition to gameplay imo.

[grand girder]

👍

[scenic whale]

I gave up on em after mine fragged me to death twice in a row

[glass dagger]

The Assault RPG should have been a "lock on missile" too. Something like the the skill users rocket launcher but single shot, too many misses for the investment into it

[astral kraken]

I wouldn't mind the current season that much if it wasn't for the damage reduction modifier that the enemies have. Otherwise it would just be a random little feature I can mostly ignore. I think it was a good idea to give us buffs if we choose to not have a companion running with us.

But the damage reduction modifier is brutal. Most legendary matchmake groups are very DPS starved. You have people running "tank" builds, turret/drone builds, weird oxi builds, builds with ninja backpack, etc. A player with experience can make up for this deficiency in DPS by memorizing spawns/enemies and focusing on the right things.

But when the enemies have 60% PFA (protection from agents ) a lot of the good carry strats simply don't work. And the players who are already DPS starved now take 6+ mags just to kill a single blue shielded elite. The way the game wants us to deal with it (companion crossfair) either doesn't work most of the time or is too slow to support the strats we use to control legendary encounters.

That's my go-to example of where it completely fails. Pushing that spawn in capitol chambers is not easy but if it's done right it turns a nightmare encounter into something that can be managed. But with DR you're basically screwed.

That's a regulus shot with chainkiller at max stacks and vigilance active.

There's no way I'm getting a companion up there with me to "crossfire" that drone operator. And if I aim for the head of other enemies the drone operator will live and deploy drones on the spot.

[glass dagger]

Aye that blue icon NPC should focused down asap, the wider player base will catch on soon enough

[meager fog]

Not to mention they deal amped damage. Deadly when running GC/PGC

[meager fog]

They really wont, thats the problem

[astral kraken]

In harder to content that's not practical. You can't just decide to focus down a random enemy. They could be in cover. Or if everyone decides to focus that enemy there are 10 others who will push you.

It's the kind of thing I can see them inventing in a meeting room while brainstorming, but it doesn't translate to actual gameplay well at all.

Just like previous seasons where we had damage reduction or reflected damage. Makes sense on paper but it doesn't translate well.

[meager fog]

Seems like a drastic attempt to slow us down more than anything lol

Ive said it before, and i'll repeat it until I die.

Bullet sponges dont make gameplay more difficult. Just more annoying.

[astral kraken]

I had the same thought. The problem with that is the majority of players are not going too fast. People who run good builds can cut through legendary like butter. But the majority of the player base still can't handle it.

[grand girder]

but red builds must take as long as skill builds durrrr

[astral kraken]

This is in contrast to the previous season where Zealot made things so stupidly trivial that it also killed the fun. It's like they're picking between two extremes for no good reason.

[grand girder]

because if they playtest is only on challenging, seen it happen time and time again

[past salmon]

Hey everyone, I’m looking for some feedback on my current build. I’d really appreciate it if you could take a look and share any tips or recommendations to help me optimize it. I’m open to suggestions on gear swaps, talent choices, or overall direction,
just want to make it stronger and more effective. Thanks in advance!

[grand girder]

less blue

[astral kraken]

much less blue

[meager fog]

Far less blue

[past salmon]

Besides that anything else?

[grand girder]

that build is straight out of 2 seasons ago

[strong cave]

its got its uses this season due to hazpro benefits. problem is the 60% damage reduction

[meager fog]

Nope
Remove the blue and its one of the strongest builds in the game

[past salmon]

ya I pulled it back out because the hazpro this season

ok will do!!

[grand girder]

exactly so a null point xD

[past salmon]

so its not good to run the hazpro this season?

[strong cave]

ditch glass cannon

[grand girder]

I mean you can but whats the goal? 2 hour clears?

[meager fog]

Hazpro with backfire is uneccesary

[grand girder]

once backfire max stacks you dont get bleed

[strong cave]

not exactly due to the damage reduction as well as the fact 2 seasons ago it gave you armor for taking damage. that isnt in this season

[past salmon]

ahh makes sense

[grand girder]

but yeah I'd ditch modifiers, and run more reds

[past salmon]

Thanks for the input peeps and glass canon to obliterate?

[grand girder]

ye

or unbreakable if you struggle with survivability

[tardy nacelle]

yes

can also give Hunter's Fury version of the build a try as well

Since ure going up close and personal with the BF anyways and if ure playing solo its pretty nice

[astral kraken]

I don't really know backfire builds but wouldn't the new chest be pretty good for it?

Like this

58/144

[tardy nacelle]

It's pretty good the main benefit with a Ceska that I ran would be I guess getting perfect 60% CHC

[meager fog]

60% CHC isnt necessary for strikers, as close as you can without going over.

Its only necessary to hit 60% for critstack builds like Nego

[tardy nacelle]

I ran mine with a HF build

Lowkey not a fan of playing Strikers without the BP

[meager fog]

Memento is good for BF because bonus armour and regen allow you to be more aggressive

P.Oblit would be ideal tbh

[tardy nacelle]

Yeah yeah I agree, but I prefer the BF with the HF if I'm playing solo content and stuff

Get the Striker shield and just blast

[bleak kernel]

The only unknown variable is the number of shots that land on the enemy.

[meager fog]

Thats a variable you cannot account for in any situation and is entirely down to the player

[astral kraken]

You can account for that by estimating the % of your shots that land. Look at your overall accuracy over time and plug that into the calculation.

So like if you usually land 80% of your shots then you can just plug that into the calculation.

It's one of the reasons I run 2pc providence, b/c I'm confident in my headshot rate and it boosts my DPS.

But also when comparing builds that doesn't matter too much unless you rely on headshots.

If your accuracy is always 60% then the relative difference betwen builds will be the same.

[bleak kernel]

That's what I was trying to say in the first place.

And how weapon handling can be quite useful

[astral kraken]

yep. or just learning the recoil pattern of guns and compensating with your mouse.

Hold your mouse in the air and shoot a wall. That's your recoil pattern. Then just compensate for it when firing.

[strong cave]

just wanted an excuse to show off EB recoil control 😝 still got it even after I put the gun away for a bit

build im toying with:

[astral kraken]

holy crap

[strong cave]

even without the handling boost from strikers im surprised it handles pretty well for High End 🤯

[strong cave]

its all on controller my guy 💯 ive got specific settings I run

[astral kraken]

slow_clap.gif

[strong cave]

none of my controllers have bad sticks, but ive found that the deadzone settings seems to delay the aim just slightly. ive managed to find the sweet spot to hold EB nearly dead center in place

[tardy nacelle]

whats the dps setup for DH? I wanna grind it out of EB but I always put it off

[grand girder]

4pc strikers (chest and bp), ceska piece n probably overdogs or coyotes

Just dont use st elmos on boomer and you'll be alright

[grand girder]

if you want to be very useful on boomer a nego diamondback build is very strong (can just run the striker for the rest)

[hallow arch]

hypothetically, would St. Elmos work in an Eclipse Protocol build?

[grand girder]

I believe so

[mental tangle]

Probably should work with any status effects but fire started is the way to go

[grand girder]

you could also run it with shocker punch for a free melee shock every now and then

[hallow arch]

fair enough, so Pyromaniac and a shotgun with In Sync maybe

ofc I need the Vile mask which I already have (but the stats suck)

[mental tangle]

Hmmmmmmm the enemies will die if you use the chem launcher with fire mod on you won't even have time to shoot them unless they are elite or veteran

[hallow arch]

Stinger hive sets people on fire right?

[mental tangle]

Eclipse kills almost everyone caught

[grand girder]

pretty sure its bleed

[mental tangle]

No the only one that's hurts the enemies is the stinger one and that causes them to bleed

[cerulean smelt]

we only have 3 skills that sets on fire, a chem launcher, turret and a sticky bomb

[hallow arch]

oh, I read the EP guide on the build hub and it said stinger hive burns people, whoopsie

[cerulean smelt]

says burn/status
Burn/Status Skills:
Firestarter Chem
Burn Sticky
Airburst Seeker
Stinger Hive
Do not bother with incinerator turret

[hallow arch]

Man ngl I wanna do an Exuro build, but it sucks

And I hate when fun stuff sucks

[mental tangle]

Yup

[hallow arch]

Born to have fun, forced to do meta 😔

[mental tangle]

The only serious build I have is a striker build but not with backfire and all other builds are fun ones

[grand girder]

when you're solo you're free to do what you please

[cerulean smelt]

well, if you solo you can have all the fun you want

[grand girder]

just have a half decent build so you're not dead weight for others to carry in mm

[cerulean smelt]

it's just a considerate thing to have if you want to play with others. some don't have much time to play and they want to just get through things without having to worry about players with terrible builds and carrying them because they don't know how horrible thier builds are

[astral kraken]

PREACH

[hallow arch]

True, I mean I'd be mad too if I see my teammates bring terrible builds. But alas, I'm part of that problem (for now) and I'm still too nervous to actively seek people to play with

[cerulean smelt]

why i solo 99.9% of the time when i can. so i can run builds people would question me why?!

[grand girder]

like you dont need a hypermax dps build but aslong as you have something that isnt horrendous to look at you'll be fine

[cerulean smelt]

even better if you got an OD build. people will look at it and raise you over their heads as the hero of the party 😹

[grand girder]

(insert tobey maguire train scene)

[cerulean smelt]

where he's trying to stop the train? 🤔

[grand girder]

yeah lmao they carry him above their heads no?

I guess a football celebration would have been more apt

[cerulean smelt]

i knew which one you meant, just thought i'd throw a wrench in it

[hallow arch]

You're not gonna believe this-

I do have an OD build

Unironically somehow easier to build than Umbra Initiative

[cerulean smelt]

i've got a funny umbra build (> <)

[hallow arch]

I did try a heart breaker build though, not the best but I was seeing if I can even do it

I couldn't, I was too laggy to maintain the stacks

[cerulean smelt]

OH! wodner if i should try umbra with Salvo 🤔

[hallow arch]

So for now I'm just avoiding anything that relies on stacks like striker or HB

Doesn't explain why I have an AR ND build though idk why but it works so...

[cerulean smelt]

hard to stay away from them honestly, as most of the hardest hitting talents are stacking talents

[hallow arch]

For real like it's inevitable that everyone will have some sort of striker/HB build

[grand girder]

except for those with huge egos that need to be "better" than everyone else and use inferior stuff

[cerulean smelt]

i usually run 6 grey improvised gear 👀 don't hate me please 😹

though i would be tempted to do that at least once

[grand girder]

#td2-build-advice message

I know ball gang

[cerulean smelt]

not playing for me 🙁

[grand girder]

gimme a sec I'll rerecord it

[cerulean smelt]

there we go

hacker, 1 shotting the targets 😹

[grand girder]

6pc goes crazy bro

[cerulean smelt]

imagine if you added salvo to that, you'd get to shoot 10% faster (> <)

might glitch the game and you do a hollywoodesque twirl the gun to reload it

[hallow arch]

Ngl I sometimes think like that but it's less of an ego thing and more of an "Identity" thing (a.k.a I wanna be different and do different stuff while also being just as effective)

[grand girder]

yeah I'm more talking about the dudes who "have" the right opinion on everything and its always worse than meta but because its their idea its "better" to them

aka the insufferables

[cerulean smelt]

ah without naming them? yeah it's fun trying to argue with them

[hallow arch]

Ohh yeah fair enough, yeah you can never knock some sense into them no matter how hard you try

[cerulean smelt]

the worst is they come here asking for advice about things. show us their build and we tell them how to improve it but they're like no i don't want meta 🤦‍♂️

[hexed steppe]

meta bad, suffering and whining good

[grand girder]

You just dont understand my alt level gameplay mannnn goddd

[cerulean smelt]

uh oh, someone woke up the old man! RUN!

[hexed steppe]

more like someone woke up needing retaliation mats

[cerulean smelt]

especially if local is a coffee addict and hasn't had coffee yet. might chomp on coffee drinkers necks and suck out all their coffee

[hexed steppe]

actually i think the wife just made a pot, so im old

gold*

[hallow arch]

Aight Imma sleep gn guys

[hexed steppe]

tc

[grand girder]

gn brochacho

[tardy nacelle]

aight got everything, which specialization is the best?

[hexed steppe]

gunner for dps generally

firewall if you want the amp shield

[grand girder]

just run gunner, you'll help yourself with dps and armor regen

[tardy nacelle]

I mean I'm more than ready then

[grand girder]

gl brother just gotta find a DH team and follow instructions you'll get that eb in no time

also if you have multiple characters you can switch the build inbetween to have better odds

[meager fog]

The irony of no names needing to be mentioned....yet everyone knows...

[grand girder]

even funnier is I dont actually have anyone I'm referring too but Ik who you lot are thinking of xD

[meager fog]

I think they changed names now lol

[hexed steppe]

once you all realize mortar is the top tier, be all end all build , then we'll be one big happy mortar gang

until then, ig yall just running trash

😎

[kind epoch]

It’s the ‘hardcore’ gamers 😂

[astral kraken]

assigns repair drone with halloween sound effect

[tardy nacelle]

death over that shi...

[cerulean smelt]

ohhh, when we going to do a raid like that. 7 bat repair drones on local 😹

and local having a hard time hearing us all on comms because all he can hear is screeching bats

[smoky latch]

Oh God

[hexed steppe]

jokes on you, i cant hear anything anyways with the excessive mortar use

ill make sure to swap out glass for explosive delivery

[pliant pelican]

is there any fun builds around the exotic chest Beacon? that ain't striker?

[hexed steppe]

its a support piece anyways afaik

[pliant pelican]

idm. tryin the support usage.

[hexed steppe]

tbh im not sure where it fits. you might slot it into a measured assembly since theyll synergize a bit, but its not really a great set imho. ymmv

[pliant pelican]

damn, every guide i tried finding. is just striker and elmo. ig ill just trash it then

[hexed steppe]

i would stash it, if not using

it may become relevant

[pliant pelican]

just so boring nobody can make a non striker build just copy pastas on yt and everywhere.

[sullen night]

Just make your own builds, you don't need a minmaxed meta build for 99% of the content, trying out "dumb" stuff is what keeps the game fun for me, I only tend to use meta stuff when it's for some high tier group activity so I don't become a burden

[astral kraken]

What kind of gameplay are you looking for? Like how do you want to play?

[pliant pelican]

Heroic solo / legendary time to time. pve i suppose.

[astral kraken]

Striker is just a shooty-shooty gear set. You could run other shooty-shooty sets/brands but it'll be the same gameplay.

No I mean like... what do you want to do. If it's just aiming at the enemy and shooting them then you won't see a difference with other builds except they'll do it worse.

[pliant pelican]

atm trying to build aorund pesti or some fun dot stuff.

[cerulean smelt]

legendary might the be worst to try something not metaish, as you'll struggle

[astral kraken]

Yea and it'll hurt your team. But you can also do solo where you'll only hurt yourself 😄

[astral kraken]

Have you tried a triple tick build yet?

[pliant pelican]

Yessir.

[astral kraken]

I mean there's not much else you can do with pesti. @hexed steppe weren't you testing it with coco?

[pliant pelican]

or i'd prob go the new setup. unit alloy but idk the AR imo

[grand girder]

you gotta make your own brother, niche weird pieces usually get discarded if it can't help out in a substantial way

[cerulean smelt]

AKA farm several pieces of all 6 gear pieces and swap thing around until you find your happy medium of it

[pliant pelican]

lol 38.1% chc 200% chd pog.
nvm. update 60% chc clean. 153% chd

[pliant pelican]

when scoped in. i drop 2.7m / 4.8m per hit non scoped it's around 700k / 1.3m spray.

[meager fog]

Why have you got yellows there?

[pliant pelican]

oh i was using my third tick armor pieces with status effect

[magic pilot]

BRO V4.0

[astral kraken]

What do you think about replacing the holster with picaro's and adding red fox's?

[hexed steppe]

yes, coco seems like the perfect goto for pesti. its what i was using this last bit while grouped. at least for group play. it stacks easy and is almost imposible to lose stacks between engagements unless you sit around for 6 minutes

[onyx sage]

u in love with the coco?

[hexed steppe]

its growing on me. its easy to stack in group and letting that 2mil tick eat stuff lets me be a bit less sweaty

its no nego replacement tho 👴

[astral kraken]

@pliant pelican ^

[pliant pelican]

i'm trying this atm. 53% chc / 145.3% chd. / perfect clutch / fox prayers. & i have tried that build, but i got the perfect glass cannon.

[kind epoch]

How often does one come across the converted smg 9 on challenge difficulty?

[solar sable]

countdown?

[kind epoch]

Yeah CD

[solar sable]

well it depends if you selected SMGs as TL

[kind epoch]

I did, closest I got was the 9a

Or 9 2a(?)

[solar sable]

there's a lot of smgs tho, so its rng

[grand girder]

^ but should be able to get atleast one in a few runs

[kind epoch]

It’s not like the gear set where you can either select the set or piece of gear

[kind epoch]

I ran CD for a hour straight with SMG selected. Kept giving me ARs and LMGs 😂😂😂

Then I switched over to OD set

I literally got luckier obtaining better quality OD pieces vs the weapon I wanted LOOL

[onyx sage]

u can also craft smg-9 btw

if u don't mind low rolls

[ashen violet]

What just happened?

Why was I given all this?

[solar sable]

because

[kind epoch]

I do kinda mind but I know it’s a build up, especially through CD. I got some low quality rifles and shotguns and eventually got maxed stats. Just unfortunate they’re not ones I use LOL

[hexed steppe]

Journey caches

[pliant pelican]

happens to me 60% of the time when i'm completing a journal mission. it's garbage gear so ig just scrap

[hazy steeple]

There's some wild combo's in those Journey Caches.
Some are very youtubery.

[hexed steppe]

There are a few that are the makings of a build. Not really perfect but something to start with for newer agents

[solar sable]

oh yeah because strikers is boring, I remember

[dreamy valve]

Time to farm for a perfect perfect obliterate

[hazy steeple]

Anarchist+HF+Ridgeways from last season I still see when I close my eyes.

[lone blade]

is wyvern and eclipse still a solid Status effect build?

[strong cave]

@tardy nacelle standard would be ceska chest and ODogs. Chest IS optional, during boomer/razorback. Do NOT use Elmos or Scorpio on Boomer besides healer. The shock f's up the double down method (Crylo I know you know this but figured I'd let you know anyways :D)

[hexed steppe]

The striker cache is actually pretty solid. Free to roll crit as needed, coyote, like glue both good pieces and just need to farm a proper chest

[strong cave]

Just got out of work so my bad for SUPER late reply

[grand girder]

just told him to run chestplate for extra dps cause he can stack at pretty much every important encounter (didnt know how new he is so figured its easier to farm than a ceska cp)

[solar sable]

it actually is pretty solid, but some people just like saying it's garbage because they don't like it and recommend scrapping it

[strong cave]

Yup that works! At the triple boss room (at the plane part), you won't be able to pre-stack so the ceska chest there would be best. Most do 1 shots on those bosses anyways

[grand girder]

he'd be on rico which you can stack on pretty easily and ready for the other 2

but yeah usually they get domed lmao

[strong cave]

Sounds about right. Haven't done DH in a minute. Still waiting on more sys corr havers to run this raid 😛

Respectfully y'all need to hurry the F up man 😂

[grand girder]

I've been ready bruh its sitting in stash

[strong cave]

We need more players!!! 😭

[lone blade]

Should I run vile mask instead? Currently looking for a Mop weapon. But unsure weather to go vile or stick with this .

[hexed steppe]

If fire run vile

[lone blade]

Ye fire, burn baby burn! Thank you

[hexed steppe]

Ditch the heal hive and use fire sticky secondary skill

Right mix of weapons, just make sure the talents are procced before applying fire, fire skills snapshot the skill damage at time of deploy

[dreamy valve]

Backpack EP? Yeah get Vile and both fire skills

I still have fun with status effect Hardwired with Banshee. Permanent drunk enemies for your group to mop up

[lone blade]

Backpack is eclipse protocol. 😁

[hexed steppe]

Since you are at 6 skilltiers already, survivalist spec will let your teamates have a 10% damage amp against status affected npc

[onyx sage]

if solo then run firewall

[lone blade]

good to know, thank you guys 🙂

[nova edge]

Should I do all Blue core for my heartbreaker build or three blue/three red? Can’t find a solid answer online

[solar sable]

2/4 is fine, you get bonus armor with HB anyways

[bright raptor]

depends on how badass you feel

the more reds you run the more damage you will do, more blues means a tougher shield

[hexed steppe]

I always went all red with memento and tech class.

[verbal gust]

3 improvised pieces 3 shiny monkey gear with empathetic resolve and backpack safeguard all repair skill mods and all red cores with Crit, repair skills on stats revive hive and any other skill with bittersweet= fun

[half cedar]

Not Bad?

[subtle bluff]

HF and NBB nerfs the value of your DPS.

[astral kraken]

memento striker is better for backfire

no hazpro. just embrace the bleed 😄

[magic pilot]

giving this a go

[magic pilot]

you dont need hazpro

[kind epoch]

where can i find the 9mm flash hider?

[magic pilot]

control points lvl 3 or up

[kind epoch]

looks like i gotta keep grinding CD and CPs then 😭ty

[half cedar]

Is it bc of Momento kill confirm sorta negate or something?

[astral kraken]

When the bleed effect happens repeatedly you become immune to it.

So you let yourself bleed once and then you're immune for a bit.

[half cedar]

Basically shoot reload shoot reload constantly?

[astral kraken]

If you're bleeding a lot it means there's too many gaps between shooting enemies. Which means backfire is probably not what you want to be using.

[magic pilot]

yea but you have to land at least 1 shot before each reload

[half cedar]

Okay. Bc Usually I use banshee. And start picking em off one by one and reload when necessary.

[magic pilot]

V2. i think this is my new favorite (non HH) open world build

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AaBOPa44Ym0Cem1_UwYQSWl9fM2p45rDN7waFRFYayY/edit?usp=sharing

12 million burst with 1 strega stack. cant be mad at that

[astral kraken]

if you swap the backpack for gift and knees for unit you'll keep the chc but gain the perfect vigi

gonna try this, looks fun

[magic pilot]

v3 incoming

[subtle bluff]

I wanted to do this with BH.

[magic pilot]

headshot version would be sick

[subtle bluff]

Ya this.

[magic pilot]

could go pgc+habs or fenris

[subtle bluff]

No Cri is fine with that much.

[magic pilot]

same chc as strega?

[subtle bluff]

It'd be less.

[magic pilot]

BH has no chc mods right

strega only has 5% so you can drop salvo for normal holster and hit 60% perfectly

[subtle bluff]

This is from last season. 9 mill body DPS

[solar sable]

what am I seeing? 👀

[subtle bluff]

HE DPS build but with BH

[magic pilot]

strega ftw

[subtle bluff]

I haven't tried with new gearset.

[solar sable]

o.O

[subtle bluff]

Yeah I can see that working. I need to far a set.

[solar sable]

new actually good & fun builds! love it

[magic pilot]

i think the v3 is the final version for this patch

[lofty frigate]

[gentle lichen]

Improvised meta

[hexed steppe]

supposed to have more improvised to unlock ninja's godmode buff

[magic pilot]

needs fox for amp dmg

[honest moss]

Replace mask with tippingscales, 130% mag size

[lofty frigate]

[lament reef]

now do iron lung

[oblique sundial]

any recomendation for eagle b a nice buold that will go with it

[subtle bluff]

EB isn't anything special. Strikes works.

[oblique sundial]

with nina?

[magic pilot]

I'd go no ninja

[oblique sundial]

what backpack

[lament birch]

Two Chameleons in two hours

[subtle bluff]

Standard striker build.

[oblique sundial]

thank you sir

[native plume]

That's an AR? 💀

[subtle bluff]

Yes but you treat it like an SMG.

[lament birch]

A heavily modified Vector, created by DARPA Labs

[native plume]

Fair enuff

[kind epoch]

what are the chances of getting a converted smg-9 with sadist? I've been running CD for the past 2 hours just straight grinding for smg9 with sadist but have gotten nothing so far. i did get a few smg9s though

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's that or get one with DTTooC so you can reroll the talent.
It's RNG. There is no %

[grand girder]

well there is like 28 or something amount of talents so and 12 attributes so best bet is tryin to get dttooc and reroll talent for whatever you need at any point

[subtle bluff]

I mean there is but it's kind of pointless to explain it.

Yeah roll for weapon then roll talent and another attribute

[kind epoch]

but can only modify one item per weapon so i'd be trying for 2 different things; either weapon with dttooc or weapon with attribute right? just so im understanding correctly?

i do have to say OD is impressive. managed to take down one side in CD with just one other person 😂 thought we were done for but the HP and emp come in clutch 💀

[subtle bluff]

Yes. But let me honest for a min. There's a reason we don't recommend SMG on OD. The Mag dmg is low.

[hallow arch]

ND build I had for a while, really needs improvement

[subtle bluff]

Pretty sure you're way over the CHC cap.
A good upgrade is getting P. Obli chest.

[hallow arch]

The equalizer I assume?

[subtle bluff]

Ya I don't remember the name nor can't spell it.

I wanna get a GC one too.

Also when you're running ND in a group or harder content try out a bluescreen with CHC.

It'll change your world.

[hallow arch]

What about weapons? Do any of them need switching up?

other than the Blue Screen thing

[subtle bluff]

It's really up to you. I like LMG I don't like reloading during the time using ND.

[kind epoch]

oh mag dmg is low? really?

[subtle bluff]

Ya the downside of SMG. High Burst low Mag Dmg. It's why LMG is recommended because it's high mag dmg so bleed stays up and in turn keeps the HP around.

[kind epoch]

ya thinking about switching to lmg now and trying to grind for another bluescreen 😂

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen on OD you'll lose sadist which is a big amount.

[meager fog]

You dont want Bluescreen with OD.

You need to ideally use Tinkerer mask with Sadist and Pressure point for big damage

[subtle bluff]

Only time we use bluescreen on OD is for supporting DPS'ing

[turbid tree]

good morning! i'm looking for a healer build for my friends

[meager fog]

Heh "you play healer for me" I like it.

[turbid tree]

you wish

[turbid tree]

thank you!

[late egret]

I've got a police m4, what are some other good (high end / named) ar's?

[sharp folio]

What should I run (armor specifically) with police m4? Striker or?

[late egret]

yeah striker is great bc police m4 has a fast rof

so building up / keeping up stacks is easy

[sharp folio]

The main issue I have in terms of obtaining it is the fact that I don't have/or can't buy WONY for countdown

[honest moss]

P416, Famas, carbine 7, F2000. For named/exos go for lexington, st. Elmos engine, huntsman, shield splinterer. But other than st elmos those are harder to get.

[buoyant perch]

countdown is not locked to WONY

[sharp folio]

Someone told me it is yesterday

[honest moss]

Summit is iirc not countdown

[sharp folio]

Oh.... 😭

[honest moss]

Worst case just try retaliation as it has targeted loot now

[buoyant perch]

We have plenty of newbies with no DLC running countdown in our server

[late egret]

yeah I've got elmo's, but I was looking for some high end once so I can use the exotic slot on a different weapon. I have a burnout from before I quit. I havent seen anyone use it since I came back. Is it still viable?

[sharp folio]

Alright thanks, I'll get to grinding for striker gear now

[honest moss]

Honestly pretty much, it is mostly the gear + talent that matters. On high end dps builds go for killer, it is pretty much the go to atm. There are other choices but killer is easy and got a huge buff a little bit ago. Police m4/lexington are functionally the same and will be the best you can get really

[buoyant perch]

Remember to queue for challenging CD, below Challenging is more meant for soloing and you can't find groups. Heroic is too hard for undergeared agents.

[late egret]

btw, this build uses 6 yellow cores, but survivalist also gives a yellow core. doesn't one core go to waste then?

[honest moss]

Technician gives a skill tier not survivalist but both are good for healer

Since healer is support the loose core doesn't matter. An extra blue or red will be minimal if you even notice it

Better to always be at tier 6 for skills + btsu gloves

[late egret]

I meant technician yeah, my bad. would a blue or red core be better? i feel blue right?

[subtle bluff]

It's all in the guide btw...

[honest moss]

I used to run an extra blue, with healing you can maybe tank an extra shot or two but it is meh

Blues are more useful in pvp less so in pve

[late egret]

thanks mate 🫡

[strong cave]

It's not. They opened up all level 40 content to newbies without the DLC

This was to bring the playerbase fully together without keeping it split up

[native plume]

I just Optimized CHD by a bit and I cant anymore plus its not even maxed, what going on?

[strong cave]

Find a max CHD attribute on a different chest piece and extract it to your library in the Tinkering menu

It will then allow you to optimize to full

[native plume]

Ah right right

[strong cave]

First thing I recommend any newbie do as soon as they hit level 40 is jump right into countdown and farm striker. Passively, as pieces drop, save near max ones that allow for 1 or 2 simple tinkering and recalibration. If you get any dupe pieces that are also maxed out, steal the attributes off of them to put into your library. Did this with my loved one when she jumped right into division and her library is pretty well packed. She's only shd 35

Then again, she had me and her both targeting what she needs so it doubled the efficiency