td2-build-advice

[pliant pelican]

recomendations weapon for this (secondary) rocking that shiny monkey +52 repair skill. named kneepads fun.

[astral kraken]

definitely lefty

not to shoot but to throw grenades when it's equipped

[pliant pelican]

aight. sounds intrestin. tho the backpack is fun. the instant revive

[uncut epoch]

Can someone lmk how to farm season xp please ?

[pliant pelican]

countdown is a good way.

[uncut epoch]

Countdown it is. Thankx my G. Have a good nite 😴

[solar sable]

nope nope nope
go do Priority objectives, strongholds to be precise

[uncut epoch]

Those are fun. Nice

Thankx bro

[subtle bluff]

Um.. Is this suppose to be a Healing build?

[pliant pelican]

it do be healing so aye. 3x greese monkey gives that +52% repair skills.

[subtle bluff]

FI will out heal this setup and give more to support with than this btw.

[pliant pelican]

i have both. but trying out the new backpack bc why not.

[subtle bluff]

Repair Skill isn't the end all be all to Healer build to note.

Throw it on a Refactor would do it better.

[pliant pelican]

bet

[pliant pelican]

what spots should be refl on?

[subtle bluff]

refl?

[pliant pelican]

you said refac. so wondered what pieces should i put em on

[subtle bluff]

This is my hybrid versions. You do not need to run this way or you can and just throw on the Quick Fix BP

[pliant pelican]

any fun builds aroun the backpack? would be fun rockin that. the instant revive is fun

[subtle bluff]

Yes but it's more advance in the playstyle and is only really good in leggo

[astral kraken]

do you mean the birdie backpack? if yes then not really. birdie isn't that great and only really useful to hot swap if thinks get bad.

definitely wouldn't make a whole build around it

[analog mural]

im thinking the skill support gear sets work well with birdies

refractor is best imo if you dont have a good high end wyvern bp to slot in for more skill damage

MA is also good to have since you most likely run it with a healing chem launcher if u dont own BFB

but then you would have to sacrifice the consistent area of denial for explosive drones on leg just to have fast revives

[cloud sluice]

The best build for the Stack broker is the Striker/Umbra combo, What about the talent? 🤔

[subtle bluff]

It's only for building stacks for strikers.

it does less dmg then acs12

[cloud sluice]

Seems to limited if it's only for stacks considering 200 striker stacks would require a reload

[subtle bluff]

then use RnR

[astral kraken]

stack times are the same

(for striker chest)

[subtle bluff]

RnR is slightly faster and also safer.

[astral kraken]

yea rnr is better hands down

[agile citrus]

this may chage slightly with a stack broker with rof. right now its highly unlikely a fast hands variant dropped, but that person would have access to a rof/fast hands SB

this would end the mag faster, allowing for reload sooner, as well as rof effect on full load. just musing.

I would say the rnr was fast by 1 sec.. but keep in mind consistent fire is less safe than peppering an enemy over and over. the best dmg for anything will always be burst over consistent, because stack based effects have a cap and a count. meaning the more you get in a open window, the more you profit. fast window, vs long commitment. burst vs crouch commit

[strong cave]

What's even more sad is Lefty can take a 3rd attachment, and that's located at the magazine. There's a rate of fire attachment. If you roll Lefty to ROF and take the ROF attachment, you already have a better shotgun than Stack Broker due to having perfect sledgehammer. As well as it shooting faster than Stack Broker. Chances are most already rolled their talent on Stack Broker unless there's the few weirdos who rolled ROF as 3rd attribute on their broker. Then and only then would Stack Broker technically be best in terms of rate of fire, but with a much weaker talent. Lefty is still probably the best well rounded shotgun to take while using striker (non chest) and heartbreaker. For stacks upwards of 200 (striker chest), rock and roll will get the job done quicker. Stack Broker is a pig with lipstick on it, or Ninjabike Backpack but as a weapon instead

[astral kraken]

keep in mind that better, in this case, is going to be insignificant in practice

and having to reload even with fast hands is a disadvantage

its just a nothingburger of a gun for stacking imo

[strong cave]

Reloading always kills off that sustained and burst DPS

Stacking is all about getting the most off before reloading and well, just because a gun shoots faster doesn't mean it's better lol

[subtle bluff]

If you haven’t seen the number you may want to search for the post for it. It’s rather weird and interesting.

[strong cave]

I actually have a question regarding a build for you guys, but beware it's not for me and this player is my loved one and is disabled

[astral kraken]

you also dont need to stack to max. just get close to max and then switch to primary to finish off the rest of the stacks.

[agile citrus]

yup I was ignoringthis lol

[agile citrus]

yyy, the reason lefty has a supremacy over rnr is cuz you dont need max stacks, just 70-80

[subtle bluff]

I swear I need to save a post for what and why each ACS12 are best at doing not overall.

[strong cave]

My loved one can handle healing just fine, had her play my healer build on my account. She also can handle strikers with 2 blues, as long as I'm giving her some assistance in DPS as well as instructions of what to do. She's new to this div thing and she never really got to play games other than mobile ones. I'm thinking of giving her a Crit based build with plenty of blues and good support talents. I wanted to go with Perfect galvanize but electrique drops yellow. Getting double crit will be a nightmare. Would this build be alright, you guys think?

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4ExgIxLsMAGDXM+9gXMDAhGAsorlXtevogOxmTPIBsCtNN+cpJzLkJ6J4LTt2FVCyARKmSMvCAA4waKE1EUQpUeRBpa+BUJOKp+NvmhgGTFQhXJjMRGkRsLQA

[agile citrus]

can we pls agree it has better drip than lefty

[strong cave]

I can get behind that ☝️

[gentle lichen]

Honestly the setup would go hard on that if you wanna mix giving bonus armor and damage too

[subtle bluff]

I have an idea for a good talents for broker. Vindictive.

[strong cave]

It would, I agree. She would run healer for that. I figured if I can let her run around with the shield + Scorpio + banshee pulse she can keep her talents proc'd constantly. The Regen will help her too plus catharsis

As she levels up her watch the build will only get better. We spent 7 hours yesterday farming her perfect striker build. SHD 25 and already has half her library filled with attributes 😂

[gentle lichen]

How different would that be to put it on a normal acs than with broker

[subtle bluff]

RoF

[gentle lichen]

That's awesome
Though you wanna grind the xp with her? I don't think there's a chance for it till a third of the way in next season

[gentle lichen]

I mean your plan is to kill the ad asap wouldn't an acs have the same burst as broker? 20% less dmg 20% more rpm cancelling out and all

[strong cave]

I would but that would exhaust us both rather quickly. It's better she learns the steps to at least farming out her builds and getting past the annoying tinkering menu. XP I can easily have her run with me using hotshot

We still need to do those control points for those blueprints

[gentle lichen]

Yeah..

[strong cave]

She's in good hands in terms of control points. As for learning the full system itself, YIKES. She killed it in retaliation as well as capturing open world points with me

[subtle bluff]

Soo….is sense you don’t need to kill something super quickly that you’re stacking on if that makes sense.

[gentle lichen]

Getting more pellets hit per enemy?

I get the idea a little now

[astral kraken]

I'd give her something like this. Swap chest piece for some utility thing if needed. Add more blue cores if needed.

Swap decoy for whatever when needed as well.

[strong cave]

Yup that one is on my back burner 🙏 I gave her full red build first with max of 2 swappable blues

[astral kraken]

Problem with a blue shotty build is you need to get close and managing aggro as a new player can be really hard.

[gentle lichen]

My safety net while being a new player was unbreakable
I don't think it's a plummet in dps but i feel it's enough survivability

[astral kraken]

Yea unbreakable is a great idea for a new player. Very great idea.

[gentle lichen]

I mean teaches bad habits but it's not as bad as a useless talent/"risky"

[strong cave]

My goal here is to shoot whatever shoots her so she can keep everything up and going like pointman and galvanize. Will be stupid easy due to gunner pulse and Scorpio

[astral kraken]

It's so easy to get deleted even with 4 blue cores though.

[strong cave]

She played healer super well but she can't stick to just 1 thing yk?

[strong cave]

Ah this runs full 6 with 60k regen

[astral kraken]

Even with that. The only thing that doesn't get deleted in this game is PFE while fighting elites.

All it takes is one stagger and/or status effect + some aggro and you're dead.

[strong cave]

That is true. The only time she ever dies really is when I get occupied fighting an immediate threat. Other than that she's usually alive

[astral kraken]

Plus there's lots of random stuff like heavy grenade launchers, miniguns, etc that'll wipe anything.

[strong cave]

When she's healing it's flawless

If she had the proper motor skills (she had conjoined fingers when born and her hands are pretty damn small) and the proper reaction time i would have her run & gun striker all day

She's smart enough to know when to take cover and when it's safe to be in the open. I keep watch of her for danger. Eventually I'm gonna remove that safety net from her when she gets used to it all

[astral kraken]

Let me put it like this. I've taken my regen blue build into heroic before thinking "I'm feeling lazy and I just wanna run around" and got nuked so fast I forgot what game I was playing

Status build might be fun

[gentle lichen]

Better get yourself a blue pistol build with intim
I actually used to do that when i would get bored of playing pvp lmao

[strong cave]

😂😂 that I believe. You're not wrong with what you're saying tho. It's why I'm making sure she has the good builds first before I give her anything she might be able to utilize and grow more comfortable

[strong cave]

Yup I plan on giving her my support eclipse build. It's the same setup as my healer with perf Opp backpack, BTSU but instead of FI run EP with stinger + foam

[astral kraken]

Red FI is another interesting one. You probably won't need that much healing anyway which is likely why the healer build she has might get boring. But with red FI she's team buffing, giving some heals, and still doing damage.

[strong cave]

Even tho her hands are half the size as mine, she's so high maintenance as a player and keeps my hands full 😭😂

[astral kraken]

Doesn't iKia have a cool combat medic build actually?

[gentle lichen]

I was about to say at an early phase why not mess around with stuff

[astral kraken]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/16HqEiVULospbbD6EZS29FJLo0Kc7cMwDECTo4OEmo0w/edit?usp=sharing

[strong cave]

She loves doing healing. She loves keeping people alive. Plus her shooting with Scorpio and seeing people get zapped tickles her brain. She LOOOOVED St Elmo's during retaliation when I gave her striker

[astral kraken]

I've used that build before and it's a lot of fun

There's always something to do

[gentle lichen]

You know what would be funny with that?
Status support with elmo shocker punch and a shield
Creeping death spreads shock and you'll just see seas of electricity

[astral kraken]

Wouldn't managing the elmo shock stacks be annoying?

[strong cave]

I'm gonna get her proper builds set up first then I'm gonna gamble with her on the idea I had for her. Can't hurt to try. I don't plan on taking her thru Leggo, nor any of the raids/incursion. I had her try EB, Rav, Reg and she wasn't a fan of them

Ouro she said did shit damage 😂 even at 30 expertise 😂

[gentle lichen]

Only annoying thing that will counter an elmo player is an OD player

[agile citrus]

its very strong. elmos effective has so many factors, its so gross

elmo will shock an add twice before it die, if you use the elmo to troll them, they become shock immune after I think 3 shocks, then after many 10 second, can troll again

[strong cave]

He means playing shocker punch eclipse. You'll do zero damage and likely run out of ammo before it's even worth considering

[agile citrus]

I tend to forget a lot of people dont use elmo shock support

[strong cave]

I'd argue Scorpio is best since numerous status effects get applied and they also spread on kill

[gentle lichen]

I believe that shock status from elmo scales with status effects though unlike scorpio

[strong cave]

It does

I have a shock pvp build that leaves people shocked for a good 10s

[gentle lichen]

My friend had a support build with elmo shocker and shield and always used to push stairs so he shocks the full team and we'd just come in and take them out no pushback 😭

[strong cave]

That's what my cavalier build is for with P Efficient survivalist 😭😂 runs shocker and foam

Occasionally I'll swap to shield off stinger and shield melee

[gentle lichen]

Yeah the spread is brutal when they're bunched up like in stairs as i mentioned

[strong cave]

I used to be a prick and intentionally run creeping death as a DPS with a charged Elmo's in my pocket. I'd run landmarks and wait for rogue groups to show up. Swap weapon, shoot once, they're all shocked. Swap back, dead

That no longer works anymore

Occasionally when I'm doing landmarks with striker + memento I'll still keep Elmo's in my back pocket. But my go to is EB since headshots are easy to get anyways

[agile citrus]

the primo mod

for those who dont use a lot of hh, at min hs, you sit at 131% with a sr-1

[strong cave]

Make scopes toggle optional 🗣️

[agile citrus]

you need 150% to use hh in h4

I dont even know where this came from, like ages ago I could swear, there was no hs mods that werent scope only

[strong cave]

Tired of being forced to use a Holo sight

[strong cave]

Also btw were you playing solo?

Her and I usually do duos or countdown where she's hardly ever the main focus since us DPS guys pull aggro. Which is where I'm thinking the idea I had in mind might work for her

[astral kraken]

I matchmaked into a heroic group. I forget how many there were in there tho

[astral kraken]

Ah yea that's super solid then. Plus she gives everyone armor

[agile citrus]

regen is funny, it sounds good on paper till you realise you dont have dmg and not ded things shoot back, end up hunkering regening

when I ran my regen bh in pve and realised it only did 500k hs I literally frownwed.

[strong cave]

That was the plan! Lol 😂 I wouldn't dare have her take a build like that when I'm not around. I'll have her on healer if anything

If she was like any other normal player I'd have her on all the best builds, striker/OD/hotshot/HHF/tipping/Nego

[analog mural]

are contractor/fox knees bad on a pvp build if you have to give up some chd to get more chc?

[gentle lichen]

Test the damage and compare

Sometimes it's worth sometimes not

[analog mural]

oh my days

[gentle lichen]

Besides that going contractor's on a dtoc heavy weapon would be better than putting fox's and vice versa with shotguns/capacitor

[strong cave]

it entirely depends on the build at the end of the day

if youre going high end route, usually the setup is:

ceska backpack vigi
contractor's gloves
fox's prayer knees
Picaro's
Fenris chest
coyote mask or tinkerer

could ditch fenris for grupo or ditch picaro's for grupo. but thats a very common high end setup I see in pvp alot especially on crit nemesis builds

[analog mural]

would u say contractors/foxes are necessary on ur build or otherwise i will have terrible damage tho

[strong cave]

the variants can change depending on what you have available and what you're using. crit nemesis follows the same high end setup but built slightly differently

[strong cave]

they're not necessary. a good counter example of this is ninjabike, umbra 3 piece, picaro's, walker and harris with capacitor

[analog mural]

is that setup generally stronger than most high end setups?

[strong cave]

contractor's gives LMG damage and i think weapon handling, which provides 0 benefit to capacitor besides the 8 DTA the gloves gives. ninja with walker will unlock 5% WD and 5% DTA which capacitor already comes with I think 12% DTA and 10% DTTOC. 12+5 = 18% DTA and 10% DTTOC bringing you a wopping additional 28% damage on top of the weapon cores, skill tiers (7.5% per skill tier)

[strong cave]

its the only viable setup in pvp right now, along with bighorn regen. its all anyone uses because it kills that fast

umbra boosts crit damage nearly up to 200%, and increases rate of fire by up to 33% I think. in PVP most of your crits is where your damage will be. We all know increasing burst DPS and overall damage is king for short TTK

the way pvp sits right now build wise, in my doomful opinion, youre going to be stuck playing either Umbra, Regen Bighorn, or some form of sniper build. DZ is different but roundabout the same. youll see this common in conflict

[analog mural]

but like why capacitor out of all weapons to be using 😭

[strong cave]

well, ninjabike gives 1 skill tier. thats free 7.5% weapon damage off rip. thats half a damage core. if you can set it up for 3 blues, 3 reds, 3 yellows, its stupidly strong because your skills will be at tier 3, your damage will be stupidly high, and youll have plenty of armor not to get dropped in 2 shots

[gentle lichen]

It has dta and dtoc on an ar which is busted
It scales with skill tiers making hybrids possible with a ninja
Ninja kinda synergies with umbra cause umbra don't need a bag

[strong cave]

would you like me to calculate everything for you so you can see just how powerful it is or would you like a clip to showcase it?

[strong cave]

my counter point to this is 4 piece umbra, ceska bag vigi, tinkerer mask. talents will be optimist and streamlined. 2 blue cores maximum. it DELETES players

[gentle lichen]

I use this but with lex or something for conflict
Nemesis snipes are crazy

[strong cave]

youre an ass 😂 cant peek a corner even with regen ill be dead 😂

[gentle lichen]

Tinkerer is very constricting in freedom of weapon choice to which i simply cannot stand

[strong cave]

for me no other gun pairs well with umbra besides quite literally AR's or LMGs. and ive exhausted Umbra iron lung to death and capacitor variant is just too cheesy

[gentle lichen]

I still didn't use umbra iron lung in conflict yet i need to

[strong cave]

its good. build it for more blue cores than your average build. I even run mine as 2 piece yaahl and take a pulse res mod so im pulse immune. makes cheeky peeks even cheekier

[strong cave]

thats a common variant I see as well

[gentle lichen]

I'm straight cooking people

[analog mural]

question: why streamlined

when ur supposed to use ur skills

[strong cave]

increases weapon damage by a huge chunk when no skills are on cooldown. also, skills arent 100% needed in pvp. the skills in pvp are very strong but alot of times people use them as a crutch. its super easy to just shoot a tier 0 sticky at somebody and they're staggered. or toss a tier 0 explosive mine and it wipes nearly all their armor and staggers them. if you know counters to those strategies, skills really arent needed. but it doesnt negate the fact they're super useful

when youre stuck in that stagger animation, theres nothing you can do. its just DPS builds disguised as skill builds is all it really is

[gentle lichen]

In conflict as a dps a tactician drone is almost mandatory

[strong cave]

^ exactly. which is stupid. especially when tier 0 foam is almost as powerful as tier 6 foam

youre telling me that a tier 0 foam can have me held down in place just as long as a tier 6 foam is with 0 status attributes? broken

[analog mural]

soooo umm just use umbra with that setup? and bam you have the most broken pvp build in existence?

[gentle lichen]

And a sticky to guarantee a kill might shift the tide of the whole match
Streamlined is also another playstyle constrictor on top of tinkerer

[strong cave]

your only choice in pvp rn, especially conflict, is either umbra or regen. its why I quit playing pvp altogether

[analog mural]

jesus christ 😭

[gentle lichen]

I mean you can't switch your weapon or use skills

[strong cave]

ive got nearly 25 GB in clips of just inspecting peoples builds in conflict and its ALL umbra

[strong cave]

this too. so if you manage to stay alive for a long time and run out of ammo, youre royally screwed

[agile citrus]

@analog mural when building for pvp, keep in mind, most thing in pve dont work in pvp and visa versa. all the logic one has from one, goes out the window with the other

[strong cave]

car's right on that

[analog mural]

wait so uh iirc the 2nd brand set bonus for brazos gives u 1 skill tier right

[strong cave]

yes. with ninja, you only need 1. and picaro's is best in slot for that

[analog mural]

oh my days so you would have 6 skill tier?

[agile citrus]

it has to do mostly with burst windows. pve is about a lot of stacks. in pvp, your burst is optimal

[strong cave]

if you build your umbra correctly, yes. you can

[gentle lichen]

This is why this build reigns over all in dz

With slight variations to core attributes and W&H but the idea is the same

[analog mural]

omg brb guys imma go cook

[strong cave]

4 blues, 3 tiers, and 3 weapon cores. plus those 3 tiers give an additional 22.5% weapon damage

[analog mural]

skill tier 6 while still having damage and tank seems fun ngl

[strong cave]

well, when other people run the same build, you die just as fast. its a mater of who chucks a skill first and staggers who and DPS's who

[gentle lichen]

defender drone is tier 3 and with tier 3 jammer you can jam skill build players

[strong cave]

even up to tier 6 im pretty sure

[gentle lichen]

yep that's why i got it to 3

[strong cave]

a tier 3 EMP jamming a tier 6 skill player. what? 💀

[gentle lichen]

i mean it used to be worse a tier 0 would counter you

[verbal gust]

Or be me with a regen build all 30 exp w big horn.

[strong cave]

if you didnt know too, conflict has a spawn protection system. if your team runs into the enemy team's spawn, youll take significantly more damage

[analog mural]

the one time ninja bike is op due to the various stats you get from brandsets

[strong cave]

in PVP, bonuses mean the world

its why I am calling for an umbra PVP nerf. nerf the rate of fire. I dont care about the crits. but NERF THE RATE OF FIRE.

[gentle lichen]

a pve player would get obliterated when they see a build like this

[strong cave]

itll fix the TTK issues with it

[strong cave]

yeah thats scummy and I hate you for showing that

😂 😭

[gentle lichen]

i could keep going

[strong cave]

I hate you even more bc I know exactly what that does too. mortar spam + pulse spam

pulse, drop mortar, shoot mortar, pick up mortar, drop again, pulse, repeat

[gentle lichen]

my clan has people with like infinite mortar builds to deal with those who won't exit spawn

[strong cave]

thats when i personally swap to measured or cavalier

[analog mural]

does measured block mortar shots

[strong cave]

I would so love to play with your clan and id so hate to play against them 💀

[agile citrus]

also I finished my top kek off meta build that I intend to use everywhere. I made this after I ditched striekr for hf, and its been a weird journey.

[strong cave]

yes. i keep it tucked as a counter

[agile citrus]

need orbit still. for those who need meta, change weapon to killer x2 chc lex and scorpio. (optional, obl on chest, or gc etc)

[strong cave]

its not very effective depending how you build it. most run birdie's

[gentle lichen]

don't hate the player hate the game

[analog mural]

o nice so hard counter mortar spawn camp then

[agile citrus]

gonna max its expertise now

[analog mural]

wait so if building MA for pvp, how do u build it

core distribution wise

[strong cave]

I dont blame the player too much but it does reach a point where the complaints of pvpers hating how it sits VS them actually changing how they play gets exhausted

[gentle lichen]

as much blues as you can cram into it without using kaard

[strong cave]

bc theyll sit and complain the PVP sucks but nobody ever agrees to stop using the broken metas so we can bring back fun. its a never ending sob story

[analog mural]

sooo 4? then get tech coz u most likely run with 3 people?

[strong cave]

max of 3

[verbal gust]

The set next season going to beat strikers watch lol

[gentle lichen]

pretty much but do weigh in different specs too

[strong cave]

I hold serious doubt. the set still says "if an ally or skill gets the kill"

meaning YOU cant be the one getting the kills. other people have to do it. or your own skills

[agile citrus]

solo players have left the chat

[gentle lichen]

i would like to see how a hybrid would work with that set

[strong cave]

its like OD and Unstoppable force tried to have a kid together to try to beat striker

with the 3 target restriction nego has (without chest)

[agile citrus]

the afk skill build stayed

[verbal gust]

It got buffed to the moon though we’ll see

[strong cave]

adding crit damage per stack isnt a buff if the mechanic is utter shit to begin with

[gentle lichen]

when it comes to dps gearsets either they buff it to be on par with striker or it goes in the trash can

orrrr they actually bring back losing stacks on missing

[strong cave]

sure, mathematically itll do MORE damage than striker at top end, but if you cant keep the talent up, what good is all that damage?

[verbal gust]

Its a team based game if your doing solo content with no one than yeah I guess

[analog mural]

good luck reaching max stacks with the dogshit cooperative design when ur fighting lovebirds and u need to quickly burn the boss while ignoring ads

@strong cave what weapon should i use on MA for pvp

[agile citrus]

sets dont come out beta the same points to striker and hb

[verbal gust]

We’ll see I guess

[strong cave]

the mechanic is dead in the water and only holds for groups. if a build only does good in groups, and not solo like a vast majority of the playerbase is, its dead in the water even if mathematically it does more damage than striker

[analog mural]

god damn it only marks them for 7s?

[strong cave]

its basically Nego/OD + Unstoppable force as a gearset

[agile citrus]

wait a sec

[strong cave]

keep in mind this is the PTS patch notes. they changed it slightly. but the method for getting those stacks HAS NOT CHANGED.

[agile citrus]

Im not saying grouyp wont be better, but this isnt based 100% on a skill or other players. its "contributed"

[analog mural]

seems ok for general ad clear ig but tagging everyone seems miserable

[agile citrus]

this will still offer a solo player +6%

[strong cave]

its based on if your teammates shot the Ad and helped kill it. meaning, to get your damage, everyone has to shoot what you shoot. and thats hard to coordinate. the set is ass

[analog mural]

yes and using a mag of ur acs-12 gives u +95% damage

[agile citrus]

right I get it, its just, a turrt and drone solo player will get +6%

Im not saying its good, just that it has a use

[analog mural]

why would you ever run a striker drone and turret on a dps build 🥀

[strong cave]

you cant guarantee all 4 people are gonna keep shooting the same targets you do. and you cant guarantee it in every scenario either. by the time you even mark those targets, striker has the room cleared

[agile citrus]

I mean, yellow striker is super popular

[gentle lichen]

the humble build of the hybrid variatle:

[broken edge]

If i am not mistaken player counts for the stacks i think

[agile citrus]

its defo better for rading tbh.

[analog mural]

hybrid builds dont work that well in d2

unless its pvp

[analog mural]

everyone in the raid will be screaming at you to put strikers on

[strong cave]

based off how the talent is worded, doesnt appear so @broken edge

[verbal gust]

Thank you was going to advertise that. Players count

[gentle lichen]

if the "weapon damage" is actually something like an amp it could be big
we all should know not to trust talent descriptions

[verbal gust]

Pts says different but we’ll see

[analog mural]

isnt it technically an amp due to it being a seperate source

[strong cave]

considering Sledgehammer is still wrong... and sys corr is only 20% amp not TWD

[strong cave]

this is straight from the patch notes channel for this tuesday

[verbal gust]

It says if you mark an enemy and it dies though.

[gentle lichen]

striker acts like that despite saying total weapon damage but it's actually its own multiplier and doesn't get added into the TWD bucket

[strong cave]

they didnt change the mechanic. only the bonuses you get. still means an ally or a skill has to also shoot your marked target

its a DPS gearset for multi-targeting, and they way its going about it is awful. Nego already does the job

[agile citrus]

sadly at this point its not. so anyway, if you run a yellow striker, with drone and trrt and in sync or cap, youll get about

[verbal gust]

We’ll see I guess but from the gameplay I saw it worked solo

[agile citrus]

its not terrible

[analog mural]

lowkey id be fine if this bonus has an amp debuff like 15-20% like opportunistic but for other weapons THEN it will be VERY attractive for other players to shoot at the marked target

otherwise theres really not an incentive to shoot at the marked target, id tell the user to put on a strikers build smh

[strong cave]

PTS is known to be bugged asf too 😂 if im wrong im happy to admit im wrong. but the common theme with these updates is the gear has been just junk

[agile citrus]

add 40% for cap or in sync, and if backpack isnt dmg reducing, memento too

its not my thing cuz I dont use dmg skills, but its neat. and prob fun for duos+

[verbal gust]

Same I feel that I love you brother lol

[agile citrus]

also, if the mark is super visible..

[strong cave]

trust me, id love to see other gearsets compete with striker. they gave us tipping, which is half good and half terrible depending the content. but this new gearset, just how its worded? idk about "striker killer" 💀

[analog mural]

this set desperately needs an amp debuff then it will be very worthwhile🙏

[strong cave]

we said that about tipping and look what people are still running 😂

[verbal gust]

Nothing beats striker in pve for sure

[analog mural]

i see alot of tipping scales in leg

meh its fine ig, good enough to use with lmgs to waste ur bullets

[analog mural]

nothing beats a jet2 holiday

[strong cave]

this is because of long engagements and enemies are tankier. it does slightly better top end damage. but your stack loss is your biggest weakness

[agile citrus]

the lmg meta was the wrost thing Iv ever seen. Im going to burn down dua if I see one more suppression spam or people leaving teammates down cuz STacKs

[strong cave]

youll notice this especially on heroic when going from checkpoint A to checkpoint B

[broken edge]

I think it was mentioned in another patch or somewhere i need to dig for it, busy cooking atm

[analog mural]

yea i hate it, i just like strikers more in general due to that +15% rpm

[verbal gust]

You’d be a god ty bro. 😎

[strong cave]

youre all good 🙏 if you can dig up that solo play works for it too, id love to know about it. additionally, are you cooking up good food or a build? 😂

[verbal gust]

He’s most likely cooking a good poop.

[strong cave]

I like having most of my damage when i clear one room and go into the next, not having to start all over. if I wanted that id just play Chameleon

[strong cave]

forgot people say that for deuces 😭

[analog mural]

this set didnt need a cdmg buff because this feels like copy paste from tipping or umbra

literally just add a damage amp on marked targets and extend the marked timer to like 15s and u will have a cooler group play ND

[broken edge]

Literal food

[strong cave]

I personally wonder if Nego and that new set could synergize. it would be pretty cool if so

[strong cave]

chef it up 🧑‍🍳 🔥

[analog mural]

high key would.... if the marked timer is like 10-15s minimum

[agile citrus]

tbf the game has really fleshed out any real set options. its not like we have a vast amount of combat mechanics to build 500 sets from. (give melee specializtion or set, plz and thanks)

[analog mural]

brother wants the london specialization

the attributes for his weapons will be +15% knoife damage

[strong cave]

yes because gun ownership in europe is a joke and so are the rate of stabbings

[verbal gust]

What fun would it be though if every set had strikers mechanics?

[gentle lichen]

Melee builds are quite powerful in conflict at least console wise

[strong cave]

ive got a movement counter build

[analog mural]

you will need a +90% stabbing resistance build for this one

[verbal gust]

I use shocker punch and Elmo’s in PvP mostly conflict.

[strong cave]

nah, ill be like deadpool and run around the corner and pop a kit and regen

[gentle lichen]

Equip a toothbrush
-# sorry

[analog mural]

eats up an armor kit to regen health

[strong cave]

P efficient: 😂

[agile citrus]

Ima need a appearal event that breifly alters the melee pistol whip into a hunter axe. there will be a paid one 2 weeks later that will be slightly smaller and is a gut bar shove

[analog mural]

*magically pulls another armor kit out of ass

[strong cave]

my boy escaped shawshank redemption

[verbal gust]

Hunter melee animation would scare the hell outta anyone.

[agile citrus]

also, melee specialization need armor on strike, not kill

[analog mural]

melee spec: the knoife

has the ability to one shot elites

ok but what does +15% rpm gonna do on knoifes

u stab 15% faster or something

[strong cave]

knoife (australian guy meme)

[agile citrus]

I dont want a knife. I want low effort on ubi, cuz they are.

[analog mural]

nah we lowkey need a london citizen spec: knoife

[verbal gust]

Crocodile Dundee over here

[agile citrus]

and I already have to juggle 3 slots. just gimme an apperal animation, in fact, make it a thing. melee appearal, 1 per season pass, final rank

it does nothing except apply a variant animation when pressing "melee"

[analog mural]

ubisoft execs: BORING

[verbal gust]

Just change language to Australian in settings

[agile citrus]

I need my character to have a gut kick

[verbal gust]

This ain’t Sparta bruh

[agile citrus]

if we're going with animation, server side etc, I want the enemy target to have a custom animation to go with. (raid or larger than life enemys excluded)

they dont need to be real life based, just a variant. you can make it host side only. to the enemy player, just looks like they got meleed

this absolutly is not based on the fact that val shows skin colors, but no effects or sound server side

[strong cave]

so this is why umbra ninja capacitor hybrid is broken in pvp:

look at the blast radius of my sticky and the radius of EMP and the DPS I do to just a heroic elite

before umbra stacks : after umbra stacks

capacitor will shoot at 910 RPM since umbra does 30% increase ROF

600k crits to the body and 720k to the head at 910 RPM with 255% CHD is a bit busted

[vivid axle]

how would YOU flip aces cards faster?

[gentle lichen]

By using a rifle that's actually auto

[vivid axle]

burst is more rpm than every rifle ive tested

[strong cave]

aces and rifles are terrible. OD is the way to go with rifles now

[gentle lichen]

Ease of use is a very compelling argument

[strong cave]

they're a creative advocate so typical advice wont apply

aces needs a massive buff

[vivid axle]

i wanted to make a rifle aces build i think m16a is bis

i remember once upon a time aces was good or at least usable

not convinced chest is that good could also just run like ceska oblit chest and groupo vig bag

[strong cave]

youre better off running this

clip showcase here: #ask-td2-community message

[vivid axle]

i was trying this as well

[strong cave]

overdogs is a massive buff and eagles is meh

[vivid axle]

i like this tho rav is cool

[vivid axle]

eagles was just to test the worthpoint of WH dogs is certainly way better ya

also second zoo piece for the rifle damage

[vivid axle]

this one is rolled WH/HSD

[strong cave]

3 zwi gives exactly the same as what eagles itself gives, but double. 30% handling overall

which will boost reload, accuracy, stability, swap speed. i run an M16 boomerang as secondary. it shreds

my previous variant was with contractor's and coyote. ive since ditched coyote due to ODogs. this used to be maxed out for my m16 but I threw some crit on it since the stats are near full anyways and its pinpoint

[vivid axle]

i know there is some cap on WH but i was trying the breaking point with m16 and found it to be too loosey goosey therefor the triple zoo/overlord test

[strong cave]

ravenous kills even quicker as well

[stone python]

What's that weapon?

[strong cave]

sometimes getting the shoulder pop is hard bc enemies die so fast 😂

[vivid axle]

i plan to try out more chc/d like you have. I thought wh/hsd would be better and i do like the headhunter/rifle/WH trio but i have been having more fun with the chc/d aces

[strong cave]

M16A2, the "vietnam gun" 😂

[strong cave]

problem with aces is that it gives so little amplification that its basically merciless as a gearset

[vivid axle]

i dont think its very good but i still think theres room to play with it

[strong cave]

"hey bro, see that enemy? no you didnt..."

yeah i tried to build ravvy around aces. even normal rifles. they bounce way too much to even be considered viable. even running it as blue cores with memento + ceska oblit was god awful

[vivid axle]

still plan on revisting this

[strong cave]

my personal build I made for it holds up on its own in groups and solo play. works at practically any distance within reasonabl range. at LOOOONG engagements use the M16

ive got merci I can see how it works on my build

[vivid axle]

this is why i thought it could be solved with wh/hsd like the cham. Cham HSD is the main build i use if i need to farm crap in countdown

i just wish merc worked like it did originally

[strong cave]

huh... guess I decon'd merciless 😭

oh well I never used it anyways

[vivid axle]

tbf it does pretty much suck now

[strong cave]

cant be worse than this

[vivid axle]

they should make a reverse ridgeways that does something when you make yourself bleed

backfire is the most broken gun in the entire game and its not even close

[gentle lichen]

The humble tempest:

[vivid axle]

well thats broken for a different reason

[digital kettle]

i wish i had this kind of shd level im only 256 xD i want all the damage boost possible

[vivid axle]

its not real all you had to do was abuse a glitch with kenley college when its around

[strong cave]

grind control points like your life depends on it and youll reach where im at.... in a few years

even better when its renanimated global event + XP event at the same time. it was especially common during Seasons 1.0. now with Seasons 2.0, its hardly if ever

[versed meteor]

What's going to be the best way to farm the vile exotic mask?

[strong cave]

countdown, target loot masks. make sure to matchmake on challenging

[versed meteor]

Oof I struggled with countdown the other day but I'll try again. Thank you!

[scenic whale]

Does this mean if i get the buffs and it doesnt run out before combat ends they stay or does it mean it just ends?

[strong cave]

follow the group, dont ever do VIP

[strong cave]

if I recall correctly, when you leave combat, somehow the bonuses stay. when you get back in combat, the timer ticks. might be a bug or something but idk

havent touched chameleon in a while but when i did that was how it worked for me

[scenic whale]

odd, oh well i'll just have some fun with it regardless

[edgy niche]

boys, is the chameleon good

[strong cave]

not really

its just an SMG disguised as an AR. its only really good at close range

[lament reef]

it’s good when all three buffs are up but they are annoying to maintain

[meager fog]

It's not bad, not great. Has a really high damage ceiling, but can be annoying to stack and keep going.

It's perfectly usable

[gentle lichen]

With quickstep around it really hurts to run with it just so you could keep its stacks

[rich cosmos]

I already put this in suggestions but I feel like I need to see an opinion on it

Buff Acosta’s Go-Bag to include armor kits to the “One in Hand” part of the talent

[gentle lichen]

Weird how nothing in this game increases the amount of kits you have
Only 1 gearset and 1 talent and both of those either replace the medkit entirely or give you "virtual" kits instead of actually increasing the number

[rich cosmos]

Acostas is such a weird exotic because none of it really meshes well

I feel like if armor kits also got refunded by the first part of the talent that would actually give it a moderate reason to be used

Hell if anything Id flat out just remove the two in the bag part of the talent and make the exotic a 3 core bag

Because like, outside of 3 grenades, none of it is super necessary at all

[zealous dew]

I think if this is done you can just straight up get infinite armour kits with efficient/perfectly efficient

[rich cosmos]

Honestly taking up both a backpack and an exotic slot makes up for that

Really not too far off from unbreakable either

[strong cave]

acosta's is great for taking 11 grenades even without the backpack. they still havent fixed that

[astral kraken]

overcharge

[rich cosmos]

Thats part of the first half not the second half

[strong cave]

not wearing the bag at all:

my other grenades are all above 8 as well

[rich cosmos]

I really wish they would actually go back and buff old exotics

[strong cave]

id rather they spend some time fixing everything bugged about this title

i shake wondering how div 3 will be 💀 knowing the state div 2 is in

[astral kraken]

making it a 3 core bag would suck b/c you'd lose skill dmg/haste which is what ppl care about when using it

nade capacity is useful if you're running it for a while and need to use nades outside of overcharge

other stats are meh but meh stats are all over the place anyway

[agile citrus]

Chameleon is very good. However it suffers from one very big issue. It gains the buffs from various body parts. Including a person's foot. Which is hard to do if they're in cover. Also, the biggest buff comes from the body, and you should in theory be headshotting. However as long as you have the buffs going, if you kill everything before I buff runs out it maxes out and stays that way until you fight again. And if you haven't maxed out the bus the buff level maintains

[astral kraken]

also you dont need a red core and blue core when using acosta

[agile citrus]

Also keep in mind, it is in fact an SMG. Even though it is classified as an automatic rifle, and that it will draw power from AR buffs, it still has the stats control and range of an SMG

At full potential, it almost matches bighorn, and other weapons like backfire. But it has a lot of inconsistency with uptime, and uptime requirements

Like Elmo, however it's a very very good controller weapon.

[astral kraken]

this is the correct way to run chameleon

[solar sable]

Chameleon hate is so forced valid

[agile citrus]

Lol chameleon the ultimate "don't swap to knife" lesson

[lost wren]

what mods do you run on stack broker
reload speed and weapon handling or just more chc?

[haughty flame]

Chameleon with only body active beats Bighorn

[blissful sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Gl69UdYQk

is everything here still ok to be built 1-1?

[solar sable]

just saving da bois some time

[blissful sphinx]

im currently running striker for pve but want something a bit faster

[strong cave]

faster in regards to what?

[blissful sphinx]

ttk

[strong cave]

nothing beats striker TTK besides determined hotshot

[blissful sphinx]

well that would be a 1 shot build no?

[strong cave]

yes

but thats an entirely seperate category. hotshot doesnt work too well in groups and not everything has a head

[blissful sphinx]

so for general pve just stick to what ive got? ill send now

[strong cave]

for solo its fine but youll need to learn target prioritizing

[strong cave]

whats your chc and damage?

[strong cave]

unsure how it doesnt kill fast enough. then again youre only shd 429

youd get more DPS using overdogs

[scenic whale]

@strong cave i managed to roll this beauty during a retal, i can finally get that 3rd Zwi bonus for the handling for Ravenous god bless

took forever but it was worth it

[strong cave]

pretty ballsy going for glass but thats gonna hit stupid hard

[scenic whale]

as long as im smart about it it'll work

[magic pilot]

Chat can we fact check this

[gentle lichen]

Assuming 100% hsd rate on bh?

[magic pilot]

Bighorn is like 28 mil dps on strikers I think

[haughty flame]

On burst and sustain it does (iKia's own Excel)

[magic pilot]

Ahhh ok

Yea I don't think he uses optimal builds for BH or chameleon

It's just a baseline

[agile citrus]

My bighorn hit for 3.8m. that's crit. I've seen chow do 5m in incursion with hs. There are rof differences, but that a BIG DMG diff

I'd like to see some evidence of chamleon out performing that, before I say otherwise

I have video evidence of 3.8m and can produce it when I get home from my current location

I will say cham is close. But saying cham beats it without foot or hs buff, I'd like to see this.

[subtle bluff]

This why we don't recommend BH on a crit build
BH is only special on all HSD.

[kind epoch]

what's the percentage getting pestilence on hard mode in summit?

[solar sable]

still below zero, do you have LMG TL set?

[kind epoch]

what's LMG TL?

[solar sable]

LMG Targeted Loot

[kind epoch]

oh yeah, that's what i did

and i got the weapon lol

so im running that and cricket now

[subtle bluff]

why summit and not cd?

[kind epoch]

i tried MMing in cd two nights ago on hard mode and couldn't find anyone for some time and i'd die instantly in challenge mode

plus im attempting to get used to hard mode first before i try any higher difficulties

[subtle bluff]

I'd only use summit to get your base build then go into CD again

It work take so long to get everything you want out of summit

[kind epoch]

im still dying in summit. i switched up a few items on striker's, finally got my lmg damage % up, and experimenting in summit again

i think my main issuse is i dont have game sense. i may/may not be high leveled enough, have the appropriate gear, im not knowledgeable enough with what cores to pair to which piece and so on and so forth

[solar sable]

So the basics of Matchmaking to Challenging Countdown are:

1. Stick to the group, if you can't deal much dmg, do them tasks for the two most important objectives (usually the ones that take less time to clear, fk VIP).
2. At the very start, the group is going for the Hunters, they are top priority before going to an objective

[gentle lichen]

Vips aren't so bad anymore

[solar sable]

people still dislike it lol

[kind epoch]

2 Qs;

what are hunters?

what are VIPs?

[meager fog]

Hunters are the most dangerous enemy type in the game. Capable of hacking your own skills (drones and turrets) and using them against you, as well as using their own skills. Specifically trained to hunt and kill division agents.

Protecting the VIP is one of the objectives that can spawn during a countdown mission, it's generally avoided as it takes a long time and generates less loot than the others

[kind epoch]

so basically gotta use brute force to kill the hunters?

[solar sable]

pure dmg and someone usually has riot foam, so that the others shoot their heads easily and kill them faster, ye

[meager fog]

They can be CC'd, but not for long. Fire is a firm favourite. Iron Lung makes quick work of them, as does Elmos

They're not too much of a bother in Countdown, because there is 8 of you and they get mowed down pretty quickly

[worn imp]

is the 10% weapon damage an amp?

[meager fog]

No, it's additive to other weapon damage sources

[worn imp]

and i assume +10% assault rifle dmg isnt an amp either?

[meager fog]

No

Amps will typically contain the word "amplified" in the description somewhere

[worn imp]

mm

[agile citrus]

the most common amps are "damage to target out of cover(weapons attribute, foxs prayer), amplied damage (hunter fury, glass cannon, over dogs exo gloves) then there are various unique ones that apply specifically to unique exos. Strega has one and scorpio has one. I think the new shroud is amp too.

supposedly striker has a variant of amp dmg, but its not the same, it doesnt affect grenade, pestilence or melee, prob more but that more than enough exampls

[meager fog]

It should be noted that Dttooc is NOT an amp, as it's additive with other sources.

The defining characteristic of an amp is that they are not additive with anything else.

[agile citrus]

can you please specify this? dtooc is the same as 10% ar? in the hands of an ar?

[astral kraken]

I think it’s purple minitanks but that’s just me.

[meager fog]

Dttooc sources add together. Dttooc itself is not an amplifier.

[agile citrus]

@worn imp lol, its cuz pfe doesnt work on purple and a lot of nubz use pfe in lego expecting it to be like h cd. surprise

[agile citrus]

alright, Ill remember this

Im not a math dude, and this is an old statment, so if its changed or missunderstood, Ill defer to math people

[ashen violet]

If I remember correctly damage calcs are like
Base damage × weapon damage × crit stuff × DtTooC × (health damage or armor damage) × amp1 × amp2 etc

[ashen violet]

Yeah

[vernal tusk]

Cmc banshee do we have a similar smg?

[ashen violet]

I forgot total weapon damage was separate from weapon damage

[meager fog]

Yeah hence why Obliterate is very strong

[ashen violet]

Is centurans scabbard total or just weapon?

[meager fog]

Pretty sure it's just Weapon damage

[worn imp]

@meager fog is "in sync" an amp for weapons?

[dreamy tulip]

I saw this build that uses 4 pc OD, overdogs and a glasscanon chest with pesty. he uses the sanitation modifier to get the status effects rolling and proccing the set item. But im kinda concerned about the glasscanon and wanted to swap out the chest for Ridgeway's pride and overdogs with contractors. Would this work?

[meager fog]

No, just weapon damage

[worn imp]

so in your opinion for pure extra DPS would killer be better or in sync (supposing the talent is procced)?

[meager fog]

OD is strongest with Tinkerer mask Sadist talent and Pressure Point on secondary.

[meager fog]

Yes, KIller is stronger than In sync

[worn imp]

okay last question, pure base DPS, is MK46 higher than M60?

[meager fog]

Very slightly. But M60 has faster reload, so higher sustain

[worn imp]

Does an ACS actually get more DPS with brazen compared to a Lexi with killer procced?

[subtle bluff]

Brazen is amp

[worn imp]

so more dps yeah

[subtle bluff]

yes and no

[worn imp]

I mean just pure numbers up close is what im interested in

[subtle bluff]

You need to be pretty close but yes.

[meager fog]

Keeping Brazen up is more difficult than it sounds, i've never been great with shotguns lol

[subtle bluff]

it's one of those read the talent

[agile citrus]

Use shield. If you're close enough to them, that you feel you're in danger, then you're likely close enough to get brazen enough successfully

Shotguns in general, needs some form of defensive effect. A shield plays a part, disorient place apart which is part of hunter fury, shock plays a part, Scorpio has this, riot foam is also useful

Armor on kill is also good

[kind epoch]

Is pestilence still the preferred LMG or why was it highly sought after?

[subtle bluff]

noobie don't know better

[meager fog]

It isn't, it wasn't.

Youtube.

[kind epoch]

oh, just a YT hype trend kinda thing?

[solar sable]

youtubers tend to exaggerate things when it comes to games so that they can attract bigger audiences for views

[meager fog]

It's part of the reason you see so many people gagging over turmoils

[agile citrus]

its best use is killing things in solo chengling and under. its not so good heroic/lego and mm, and the "optimal" build take like 9 years to make, where youll be long past that diffculty level

[cerulean smelt]

nods that make titles to get you to watch and take their word as gospel

[agile citrus]

its a good support weapon. it shows enemies hiding, does dot dmg, etc. sorta a passive way to help others while doing der.p.s.

[cerulean smelt]

"this build makes you immortal!" And it'll be a lot of clips where they cut and paste together making it seem like they never go down, but chances are they've gone down a lot but never show that

[strong cave]

Pestilence is an old one but a decent one. Works fine on striker. It's just not as popular anymore because any M249 or MK46 LMG with frenzy or killer will easily do more damage. People like Pestilence for the ticks

It's now one of those guns you'll pick up once in a while just for something different and then it'll be back to being unused

[worn imp]

@meager fog Does Skill efficiency include healing percentage stat?

[verbal gust]

Hey another “meta” YouTube build. It’s great literally immortal. It’s like saying life is perfect. If that was the case then things would not be fun. lol

[cerulean smelt]

it should, skill efficiency affects everything skill releated. damage/haste/status effects/healing/duration probably a few more i'm forgetting

[worn imp]

yooo status effect? now thats cool

[strong cave]

Skill efficiency is like weapon handling but for skills

[ashen violet]

I just did some testing and scabbard definitely looks like normal weapon damage

Here's the raw data, same weapon, same gear, only having both equipped to look at what buffs are active
Normal crit: 227,194
Scabbard crit: 249,317
Obliterate crit: 272,635
Both: 299,180

[solid hound]

put this build together for my pestilence. dont really want to give up my two blue cores because they give me some survivability with my glass cannon chest. anything i could change?

secondary weapon is hardly ever used

maybe a backpack with wicked over Backbone?

[smoky latch]

Blue cores reduce your Pestilence ticks a lot and only let you survive another bullet or two, instead try to position yourself better and react to NPC behavior better, just a suggestion

Pestilence tick is a debuff, not a status effect. Therefore Wicked is useless

[solid hound]

derp, i knew that. im thinking of my OD build lol

[ashen violet]

No wicked doesn't trigger on pesti

[solid hound]

i just switched from that

Vigilance is what i meant

[smoky latch]

Yes, works. But keep in mind you lose Vigilance for four seconds if you get hit

Three seconds if you use The Gift

Backbone often the better choice since you wanna build up your Pestilence stacks and you will get hit sometimes

[meager fog]

Vigilance doesn't really work too well unless you have a way of stacking bonus armour, or you aren't going to take damage

[solid hound]

i do be taking damage some times 🤔

[meager fog]

Those blue cores are severely nerfing your Pesti too, the ticks are based ONLY on weapon damage. Crit damage does nothing

[solid hound]

i tick for around 1.5m when at max unstoppable force stacks, which depending on the encounter doesn't always happen

[smoky latch]

Taking down enemies with blue cores takes longer, meaning it also takes longer to get to full Pestilence stacks which on top are also not at full potential

If you wanna play like that it's fine, but it's not optimal

[subtle bluff]

Modifiers make it easier too.

[astral kraken]

pesti isnt all about ticks. you gotta balance that shizz.

[solid hound]

wont have those much longer, can't rely on them lol

[astral kraken]

dont give up weap damage for ticks

[smoky latch]

With a build like above it is all about ticks. If you wanna use Pestilence for damage use Striker

[subtle bluff]

It's just what makes pesti powerful once you get it going.

[subtle bluff]

Actually TS isn't bad either. It's all in the guide.

[smoky latch]

TS works too, sure, but that isn't part of his question

[astral kraken]

you can get both, which is the point

[solid hound]

i dont like to sit back and let the ticks do the job, which is why i like to shoot with the gun and and stack chc/chd

[astral kraken]

lengmo glass overdogs

do that if you want a good balance

[solid hound]

3 lengmo, 2 petrov, overdogs is what i have rn

[smoky latch]

Max damage overall, including ticks. Maybe I'm just too used to above build

[subtle bluff]

There's a guide.

[astral kraken]

yea there you go

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1CTOyT3YxNfsK0mGL5BlABAF1JNSK7bx1BjQB74Uz38U/edit
here's the link for the entire build

[solid hound]

luckily I have both of those maxed and already leveled

and my petrov pieces are the ones they replace

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?usp=sharing
There's a full guide the build hub

[agile citrus]

if you run gc, blue core isnt that useful. for every 170k armor, you only have about 80k. you might be able to run it all blue with pfe, but that would pointless with pesti. the point is, your going gc, you may as well be one shot, after all gc will multiple the dmg ptoential.

just thoughts, I support a bit of survive, but in this case, like with negibile ttk improvement, I dont think youll see it

[solid hound]

I'll see what i can do to farm more lengmo pieces I reckon, but i'm gonna keep rocking the two blue cores for now, finding two unicorn pieces means a lot of countdown runs 😩

[smoky latch]

Build hub?

[subtle bluff]

Gearsheet > Build Hub

[smoky latch]

Ahh, I'll take a look

Seems nicely explained

What build planner is that tho?

[subtle bluff]

It's also in the Pinned Messages on the bottom of all of them

[solar sable]

what chow said

[subtle bluff]

Buildstation

[smoky latch]

Sweet, haven't used it in a while

Didn't recognize, thx

[agile citrus]

@haughty flame left or top is chameleon, right or bottom is bighorn. both are the same exact build, same stat everything. both were buffed by finisher

that is dbl dmg. I can provide no finisher, but it didnt change that much. same enemy, same scenarion, same buffs, both maxed.

this is crit bighorn performance, not hs. I think the 3.8m was bighorn 1 tapping reds with hh on, so dismissing that, but yyyy

my chameleon is expertise 24, my bighorn is expertise 30. maybe makes a difference, but itll maybe add 50k? to cham, and thats being generous I tihnk

[subtle bluff]

Showing numbers without enough context behind is rather confusing to see.

[agile citrus]

Ill provide a video.

[meager fog]

Still doesn't explain a lot. You're comparing an apple with a potato at that point. Two entirely different guns.

Chameleon with stacked buffs hits harder than a Bighorn

[agile citrus]

the thing is, meta mentalitys exact quote was chameleon with only body buff outperforms BH

cham is very strong, but not that strong

[astral kraken]

weird comparison tbh

[meager fog]

Literally, entirely different guns, entirely diferent playstyles and will use entirely different builds...

[agile citrus]

both of these are max hf, both using finisher, both same crit dmg, prob cham has higher cuz bh mods suck. both headshot spam. cham had body buff only, and obl was up too. the point is this far off

I could use in in a mission but I dont think it will change the numbers

[agile citrus]

so... the reason I use exact same builds without exact same buffs (since their both ar) is because the only diff here is dmg. rof matters, so does relaod but they both suck at relaod (without bottom buff) and the rof over bighorn is like 928/1044

also wtf, when did bighorn get a rof buff?

didnt this thing used to be like 850?

[subtle bluff]

Keep simple. You're texting so much why would soem of us read it

[meager fog]

The point is they dont BENEFIT from the same builds.

You can't compare the two weapons.

[agile citrus]

I use same builds so the difference is only percentage. cham rof doesnt justify dbl dmg

[meager fog]

As an AR, Bighorn SUCKS.

[astral kraken]

lol bighorn does kinda suck

[meager fog]

As a headcracker in semi auto, it can be a monster

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't suck suck just mid. When on Crit

[astral kraken]

no such thing as mid

it either sucks or it's cracked

[subtle bluff]

shh you

[agile citrus]

-_- I better have misread this

who uses semi auto viably

[subtle bluff]

It could actually be good on a Raid HE build with the right build

[agile citrus]

ok. so lets do this then. what is a good cham build? lets go optimal. ND is not aallowed

[meager fog]

Bighorn is a better rifle than it is an AR....

[agile citrus]

give me the optimal chamleon build. I prob have it

I will run a cham run, then a bh run. I will keep the same build. but give bh crit up to 48%

[subtle bluff]

nah it's not that bad.

[agile citrus]

I will find you and put your head in a trashcan

[astral kraken]

its already there my friend

[agile citrus]

can tell

Ill use oblterate striker. Ill keep it simple, no memento. overdogs. no micromanging of OD

[meager fog]

Since when is OD micromanaging?

[astral kraken]

i look forward to when this discussion politely ends with everyone in agreement

[meager fog]

Bighorn kinda sucks, Chameleon beats it for damage, but kinda also sucks because its an SMG pretending to be an AR.

Then we can all go back to using our Elmos, Iron Lungs and Lexingtons and forget about it

[agile citrus]

@meager fog I just wont be choosinging targets. red is ded

[meager fog]

OD = Ongoing Directive.

[agile citrus]

will provide vid, up to third room linc, for both.

ar buff is on gunner, finisher will not be used

[subtle bluff]

The Baller HE Build

CHC 60 | CHD 154 | HSD 128

Not too bad actually this could do really well in IH.

[agile citrus]

um. -_- ubisoft messed it up. 🥊

spawning him on turrt was such a troll

[solar sable]

bro do you not know about cover to cover ._?

[agile citrus]

🙁 Im bad

[broken edge]

late to conversation but bighorn OD is hits very hard and has absurd burst damage if you aim for the head

and if you use it a sniper you do get a lot of mileage out of the OD ammo outside of LMGs

[agile citrus]

Im prob bad, but I feel soooo slow with cham

oh, wrong one. stupid sorting

[broken edge]

I mean it worked even back when OD dropped the hollow points on the ground and you had to manually pick up

[kind epoch]

hmm i have nothing put into m249 or mk46. completely forgot about the weapon attributes as well. for someone like me, which potential weapons should i be focusing on? i just like to lay down fire. i died repeatedly just from normal peons on challenge difficulty (i get open world difficulty confused with summit but two steps above normal basically)

[hoary atlas]

Has anyone got Stack Broker ACS

[smoky latch]

Yes it was sent out the other day

[agile citrus]

anyway, Im not using cham. its gross (Im being facetious, I just like how shooting head has a numberical payoff, purely mental and a me issue)

[hoary atlas]

Should i change the Talent on Stack Broker?

[agile citrus]

I need to not shoot toes

[kind epoch]

i'd have asked for help but i think id have mental overload if someone carried me in the difficulty im trying to into lol

[smoky latch]

It comes with a random talent, use whatever talent you want

[analog mural]

yes, get brazen for more dps

[hoary atlas]

Ok

[hoary atlas]

Nah Im use Fast Hands

Because Reload of ACS12 slow

[subtle bluff]

The weird part it's the same burst has a normal acs12 but less dmg in the mag due lower base WD.

[subtle bluff]

But why just RnR if you're needing to shoot more than 20rds of acs

[kind epoch]

should my priority atm be leveling up gear or gear farming? i have all the striker pieces i need but something is telling me my stat percentages aren't where they should be and i dont know how to increase stats. i have crit on most pieces but im doing less than 20% crit chance and damage

[solar sable]

you won't hit the highest percetages right away on your first build, you also need the shd watch bonuses and optimizing the build also helps the stats go higher

[onyx sage]

also your weapons also carry a hefty allotment of crit

if you're only using a high end weapon you may not have given it crit mods

[verbal gust]

Not to go off topic but did you do the digging for the next gear set? Something about counting for yourself provides stacks? Curious.

[analog mural]

ideally u want to have like weapon damage already maxed from a drop

then just reroll the minor attributes to chc or chd

but then theres other factors to increase ur chc, such as: leveling up ur watch/shd level to 1000 to get all maxed stats

getting a ceska piece for another 8% chc, and weapon mods

id say until u get all of those i mentioned, just roll chc on ur striker gear and reroll them to chd later

[analog mural]

i find it hard to understand... why the rpm buff but nerf the damage?

lexington basically gets a +5% base damage buff and no nerfs anywhere, its all upsides

now the only thing stack broker stands out is that its very good for getting 100 striker stacks and if you needed 200 just use rnr

[subtle bluff]

The Dev realized balance in weapons is important or you have everyone crying thinking they need the named weapon like Lex.

If nothing this is a good buff for HB.

[broken edge]

Camaraderie Talent description does not mention that the agent themselves counts toward the stacks gained when a marked enemy is defeated. #patch-notes message

it's on the known issue that the set doesnt mention player themselves

also on the stack broker is probably to explore utility through stats instead of just bestest gun

tho i do wish first sight had better accuracy also so i could use a scope with it

[agile citrus]

itll be a good buff for hb if they nerf the lefty extra mod slot and if rock and roll had a downside vs it

but tbh, the most powerful thing that going to rocket hb is the new holster. if it satays the same +18% fire rate for hb is going to go like butter. imagine not needings a shotty

points to oreo dark winter hb

[broken edge]

it got nerfed to 5% i think on the last dev comment

[agile citrus]

yyy I figured. but which? the 8% attribute or the talent?

[broken edge]

the holster

[agile citrus]

went back and nabbed this, so, its likely a 10% fire rate.

this was the og pic, so if its nerfed, it had to be the 8%

anyway, hb's big sad is the lack of fire rate imo. its a good set, its just cant keep up with striker rof buff

and since chest is a must, Im thinking, salvo, 4 piece+chest hb and memento, all crit dmg, 3 crit chance mods, balance weapon around mods

[kind epoch]

Oh I junk my ceska gear 😅😅

[analog mural]

make sure to get a ceska chest with obliterate

u will need that for most dps builds

[agile citrus]

lol, ceska is good because it hard to hit 50% or 60% without it

[kind epoch]

Looks like I’ll be farming summit all night lol

[kind epoch]

Wait is it an attribute or gear piece?

I’m concerned it’s either choosing striker or ceska

[agile citrus]

ceska first talent is 8% crit chance

[grand girder]

Brand bonus

[grand girder]

pls look into countdown, summit is very inefficient and mind numbingly boring in comparison for loot drops

[agile citrus]

ceska rules:

most non smg exos sit at 10% crit chance.

you should build non exo (named or unnamed) around 2 crit chance mods, 1 "?" mod and +Xammo (not the one that nerfsyou)

use 3 crit chance mods.

use crit chance and crit dmg ceska pieces only

if you did this right, every set you have thats not smg will be 45%, 1 more mod or attritube put you at 50%.

smgs have 21% crit. its a different design with them

this is just my design choice to be clear

[subtle bluff]

There is a farm guide and a all the build guides in the Build Hub

[kind epoch]

I would if people played hard mode 😅 I tried MMing hard difficulty and couldn’t find anyone. I’d be baggage in challenge difficulty lol

[kind epoch]

I’m working on LMG. I really don’t like using SMG

[random pendant]

The game scales so you wouldnt be 🙂

[onyx sage]

challenging difficulty is meant to be the difficulty you want to matchmake in, you get a lot of buffs from the countermeasures and from 7 other people supporting and doing damage

it's a lot easier than challenging in open world or missions

[grand girder]

also after about 2 runs if you have your loot set correctly you'll get a build decent enough to not be baggage anymore

[astral kraken]

just run around and pick up loot, it'll be fine

[kind epoch]

I can guarantee I don’t. All of my pieces have weapon/LMG damage + CHC + CHD. I haven’t worked on modifiers because I don’t know how lol

[grand girder]

I can guarantee if you have it set to strikers and do 2 runs of countdown, you'll easily be able to deal dps and helpout afterwards

hell I'll run it with you if you want

[kind epoch]

I’m down to do a round or two tonight haha. Just I’ll go down easy LOL I won’t even deny it

[subtle bluff]

4 man CD let's go!

[kind epoch]

I’ll add you guys when I’m home. Also, nice e90 (or is that 92?)

[subtle bluff]

e90 M3 it was my students.

@ us in #lfg-pc later and we'll come get you

[kind epoch]

Sounds good

[hoary atlas]

Im use for Striker build

[subtle bluff]

There's no reason to Reload with any acs12 tbh

[mild sable]

I need help I be on tomorrow with building my builds

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > Gearsheet > Build Hub

[eager swan]

Anyone know of a good defender drone build

[hexed steppe]

one that stays in the stash

if you have a dps build where you utilize tech class and memento then you can have better than average skills in general while maintaining weapon damage output. the skill efficiency from memento and 2 free skilltiers could go a long way. you could all in with artificer to constantly repair the drone as well.

[eager swan]

Sounds interesting I’m trying to make a support build for group stuff i thought that skill might help

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't last long enough and it's hard to know how to put it on.

[subtle bluff]

the uptime of it is rather low.

[solar berry]

Salvo: 8% ROF → 5% ROF

kek rof is even worse

[subtle bluff]

it's still 10% overall

[solar berry]

ehh more burst dps than substain either way

[round zinc]

i saw an ikia build thats something like this minus the chest being the +pistol dmg brand(the EMP pulse is for current GE) and i gotta ask
whats the purpose of this

maybe i need expertise 30 to understand this but currently i just dont

[gentle lichen]

What

[subtle bluff]

dunno.. ikia makes stuff

[gentle lichen]

It'd be better if you sent a picture of that build

[subtle bluff]

Trust I've made stuff tried it and BLEH

[round zinc]

i couldnt find the image before so i remade it from memory

i just found it nvm https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18v_nO_Y1yQxQlSWNiIyf5j02rV0C4VKR_04ewNy1Duk/edit

[subtle bluff]

Tempest Striker... 😐

[woeful glade]

yo is the dlc mandatory for endgame builds in dz

[round zinc]

ik tempest is a gimmick weapon i just like having a semi good pistol that isnt headhunter shenanigans for change

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[astral kraken]

This is the build:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18v_nO_Y1yQxQlSWNiIyf5j02rV0C4VKR_04ewNy1Duk/edit?usp=sharing

And this is the (IMO) better variant:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1FK5UVrVAf6figTcEyg9EhxmuX4mL--7eLxyr-QP1UpM/edit?usp=sharing

The purpose of the build is to do things like Summit with all directives turned on. It works really well in solo and 1-3 group size. It falls off a little bit at 4 player scaling but it's still very strong IMO.

I liked the high end version more because the damage is basically the same but there's much less reliance on stack building.

I ended up ditching the build though for one reason: tempest mag size is awful. It's just really annoying having to reload that often. The actual damage output is really good.

[round zinc]

how good are we talking

[astral kraken]

There's also a Kard variant that I enjoyed using more but honestly my finger just got tired lol. It didn't have any mag issues and still did great.

I'm a striker/sacrifice/vigilance/lexi main. So if it feels good me it's gonna be pretty fast to clear.

I don't like slow builds 😄

[subtle bluff]

we

[astral kraken]

I've never used a bad iKia build. At worst it'll be a play style I don't prefer. But he's pretty good about making sure the build can maintain a good pace.

[round zinc]

pistols as a whole should get the same treatment as rifles where it just shoots by holding down the fire button

[astral kraken]

Agreeeed

Oh I also tried running it with fewer blue cores. I tried 3 (the build), 2, 1, and 0. Kept memento though. Adding more reds didn't actually help much.

With his 3 blue core setup the shield is basically unbreakable in heroic.

[round zinc]

in heroic theres not enough elites to aim head so would deflector shield be better there?

[astral kraken]

idk I hate deflector shield lol

I've seen so many stupid deflector shield builds in leg matchmaking that I don't use it on principle now lmao

[round zinc]

they should really add d3fnc to div2 ngl

[astral kraken]

I feel like deflector would just be sloooow

Because you'll need to hide at some point

[shy willow]

The problem with the deflector is the garbage hitbox

I had a funny skill damage/tank monstrosity build I put together for it and when it worked it was pretty nice

Unfortunately it almost never worked because the AI just bypasses the shield

[woeful zodiac]

Whats the best talent I can apply to the Stack Broker?

[astral kraken]

if you're using it for stack building then fast hands

dunno about dps

[round zinc]

iirc its less dps than rock n roll

[astral kraken]

but if you're using it for stack building i'd just use rnr

[round zinc]

wouldnt it build stack faster

[woeful zodiac]

Is killer ok?

[astral kraken]

basically the same w/ striker chest. haven't tested w/o chest.

i wouldn't use acs for stacking w/o chest is why

[astral kraken]

are you ok with the reload time? it's sloooOOOooow

[woeful zodiac]

What about brazen?

Idk how does fast hands work

[subtle bluff]

dunno if that even worth.

[round zinc]

i use centurion on striker for master/legendary and stack broker does make a much more noticeable difference imo

+50% mag size and +50% reload speed more than makes up for it, yes you can apply the same to rock n roll but you'd hit max stacks much faster on stack broker and the bonus reload speed+fast hand also makes the reload nearly instant

but then again its really min maxing it, and overall doesn't make that big of a difference

[subtle bluff]

Trying min max out broker is pointless.

It doesn't do more dmg in the end due it's nerf to it's base WD

ACS12 stacking in general isn't suppose to be prefect. Dump one mag then change the primary.

[round zinc]

i feel like they really missed out on making it showstopper 2.0 since lexington is just the div1 lvoac

[subtle bluff]

eh..

This was a balanced add imo.

[round zinc]

give it perfect steady handed and make each pellet count a stack rather than the whole shot

so its just a really tight cone at the end
would be it strong?probably not but i like my tight spread shotgun

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't work

[round zinc]

i know the default doesn't work like that, it was a suggestion

[subtle bluff]

we'd already would do that.

[round zinc]

@astral kraken sorry for pinging but what change do you make to the techtank build if you use the kard

[astral kraken]

literally nothing

when my finger got tired i switched to tempest lol

[lament birch]

It’s pretty noice, I’ve been cooking with my Broker after swapping Sledge to Brazen

Though I swapped out on of its two mods for better stability, otherwise she keeps kicking me around like Goldship on pop rocks

[woeful zodiac]

How does brazen work again?

[lament birch]

Query to my fellow agents: What to invest in to maximum?

[lament birch]

You get 3.5% Amp damage on your next shot per each pellet landing on the target, it’ll still activate even if six pellets land

[subtle bluff]

WD > CHC > CHD > HSD

[meager fog]

Not quite, at least 6 pellets have to hit to activate

[lament birch]

I noted that at the end, but thank you, DK

[meager fog]

That isnt what you said.....you said "it'll still activate".

6 pellets hitting at least is the ONLY time it'll activate

[lament birch]

How about for my remaining non-optimized striker pieces?

[lament birch]

Oohh, I worded it weirdly then-

[grand girder]

farm new ones

[subtle bluff]

The guides explain that already.

[grand girder]

dont waste optimization mats if your low lvl

[lament birch]

My rolls for my mask and gloves so far have been…middling, at least I get more materials from them..

[round zinc]

you’re missing out on like, 10% chd at most from your entire build if not optimized

[lament birch]

I can get that from the SHD attribute menu, yeh?

[round zinc]

yea you can
but im ignoring the watch when i said that

like you’d almost never notice the difference between a maxed out optimized build and a build thats like 90% full

[lament birch]

Ahh- I could swap the chance mod on my mask for more crit damage instead?

[round zinc]

rule of thumb is to multiply your crit chance with your crit damage, the higher number is usually better

[lament birch]

My current crit chance is (41.2%) x my current crit damage is (62.2%) for reference

[hazy steeple]

It's worth noting that your chc should always be as close to the cap as possible, without going over.
Otherwise your actual crits are going to be far too few and your damage is gonna kinda suck.

[lament birch]

So that’s why everyone tells me to keep a greater crit damage amount in comparison to pure chance?

[hazy steeple]

Think of it as a reverse and it helps visualise how low it is.
for example, you have 41% right? Think of that as a 59% chance to not crit.

[lament birch]

High chance isn’t much better if the potential boon is lesser than the base values I could get with a good gun or two

[hazy steeple]

The hard cap for crit chance is 60%, it can't go over it.

Since you're running a striker, you are going to be putting out a lot of bullets, very quickly.
so critting on mroe than not for those is going to massively increase your overall damage.

[lament birch]

And if I go over it?

Won’t that give me diminishing returns?

[hazy steeple]

You can't go over 60%, it's literally just wasted crit.
For example if I add 5% chc to a gun that has 60%, it would still be 60%.

[lament birch]

Faster firing guns are my best friends in either of my primary/secondary slots, the tertiary slot is for a last resorts or a speedy getaway

I do love to run an LMG sometimes, more so if it’s got frenzy :))

[hazy steeple]

LMG's aren't that amazing with striker, compared to say, an AR.

Striker is very specifically a stack building, then deal damage build.
You need a thing to build stacks quickly, and a thing to deal damage and maintain those stacks.
without the stacks, you're better off using another build.

[lament birch]

It’s still satisfying to see OPFOR armor and HP go from full to null after a fresh mag is popped in

[hazy steeple]

You're kneecapping your build and making it harder for yourself, do yourself a massive favour and go run Countdown until you get some ideal pieces, then try it how I suggested.
You'll notice a big difference.

[lament birch]

I’ve been running around with my Lexi and put my Dark Winter away to give Broker a good spin

She kicks like a horse normally- I had to give her a stability mod to keep her steady enough while stacking and blasting

[hazy steeple]

How far away are you using the ACS, roughly?

[lament birch]

Oh I already have one or two AA’s, plus a few Lefty’s in my stash

[grand girder]

tbf if you're running the striker chest you're barely ever gonna maintain those stacks efficiently enough to make it worth running over a grupo or ceska chestplate with obliterate

[lament birch]

Wait- you’re asking about engagement distance

[grand girder]

depends on content ofcourse but like open world and missions usually dont offer the best 200 stack chances

[lament birch]

I am running with everything Striker- save for the chest and backpack

[hazy steeple]

Oh I didn't see the build.
yeah Striker chest is only useful when enemies have comically large health pools, like in the Incursion/Raids/Heroic Countdown.

otherwise it's Ceska w/oblit all the way.

[grand girder]

or grupo if running smg

[lament birch]

I have awful luck with getting a good chest plate from either of those brands

[hazy steeple]

@grand girder eh even then ceska is still good, means you can use more chd rolls!

[grand girder]

yeah its a tough cookie to farm

[lament birch]

That’s the plan :3

[hazy steeple]

Countdown is your best friend here, just run it on Chall' w/ ceska Targeted Loot (TL) until you get what you need.

[lament birch]

Duly noted on that, Sombra is rare to find for me

[hazy steeple]

it's well worth farming it out properly, the ceska w/oblit and double crit stats is going to be useful on a dozen builds.

[lament birch]

Awe blast, I’m an Xbox guy

[hazy steeple]

No live? That's honestly going to hurt with the farming.

[lament birch]

Not sure my veteran buddy is gonna be available to play with me tomorrow or so

[lament birch]

Nah, I still got a month left on it, my bud gave me a three month code for it

[hazy steeple]

As long as you are able to. you can just matchmake challenging Countdown in that case, that's where most people farm.

just remember that if you're farming for a brand, TL the brand.
only go for "type" if it's an exotic or a gun.

[grand girder]

depends on the gun I suppose

[lament birch]

Hmm— I gotta not run any offensive gadgets for that I hear- and know from those rare runs in with hunters in the summit…

[hazy steeple]

Basically no skill that can be deployed, like hives, drones, etc.

shield is fine.

[lament birch]

Or the pulse sets

[grand girder]

run drone and turret people will love you

[hazy steeple]

although worth noting: Hunters are only at the entrance and exit, the rest of the time it's fine.

[hazy steeple]

I honestly disagree. The more space you have for CHD attributes the better.
12% vs 6% is a nice buff for sure.

[lament birch]

I have lingering paranoia from not noticing that my drone and turret were already hacked while I tried to flank those guys…

[grand girder]

well with chatter I'd be gaining 2% chc vs 12% CHD if i ran another CHC mod

[hazy steeple]

That's also chatter though, so it has its own issues.

[grand girder]

dont you dare hate on my baby

she still holds up (ignore the near death I was playing bad)

[strong cave]

What's depressing is I walked out with more Ceska pieces untargeted VS walking out with more pointmans (Gila was targeted)

2 double crit Ceska's and not 1 single pointman in 12 hours of farming

[grand girder]

Lol I got a double crit backpack when trying to help a new guy get the chestplate

I dont even need it cause I already have one

[strong cave]

Honestly not bad. Have em run a Grupo chest and skip striker bag

Slap Vigi and glass and good to go 💯

[grand girder]

ahh yes let me chuck glass on a new player, I'd be the biggest ahole around

[strong cave]

Gotta break the training wheels sooner 😂

[grand girder]

that aint training wheels thats flash step type shit

[strong cave]

In all seriousness tho, the loot pool sucks currently

[grand girder]

or it'd go too far and theyd switch to skill builds

[strong cave]

I just want mah drop maaaane 😭😭

[hazy steeple]

As much as I hate to say it, Glass' on higher difficulties isn't that much worse than non-glass.
your Agent is already made out of paper, even with blue cores.
(granted, not on a newbie who's going to be running Hard at most, but still).

[strong cave]

There's times I've run glass even on normal and still died

[grand girder]

yeah once you get used to legendary its pretty much same same

[gentle lichen]

Now i want sesame

[lament birch]

Maaan— even when farming for Ceska on its targeted mission, my rolls are either off the target or just middling

[gentle lichen]

Dude i got my double crit ceska from a random territory control chest instead of it dropping when i was farming for it for 2 days 😭

That's just how div works

[strong cave]

I would've turned around and screamed + punch the air

[grand girder]

atleast its better than me farming for a dttooc 1886 for 3 days and then my brother getting a LITERAL perfect max one on his first countdown run

[strong cave]

Yesterday as I was farming that pointman, it gave me a NORMAL Gila piece with vanguard w/ max armor + CHD. The game was teasing the hell out of me. It's not often I scream but that really triggered me

[grand girder]

oh and then I kept getting them when I didnt need them anymore

[gentle lichen]

@solar sable how bro felt when i gave him that triple godrolled chc mg5

[grand girder]

whats worse is I actually told him "I bet you're gonna get one like first try or some bullshit"

[gentle lichen]

5 or so hours into the game btw

[strong cave]

Yup that was me when I couldn't get everyday carrier for the life of me

[grand girder]

huh I've had a double crit one in my stash for over a year, whats it used for?

[lament birch]

You watt??? Bwwuuhhh D; Gimme those rolls, Choomer!

[strong cave]

Double crit everyday? It's used heavily in pvp builds for the firewall kit pop. It boosts the effectiveness of the kits as well as 75% chance to not consume it. This applies to insta kit too

[gentle lichen]

Guess what 😂😂 i'm still looking for a hazard hsd pointman on console 😂😂 but the first mission i run with prod on pc i drop a godrolled hsd hazard pointman 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i still don't have it on ps 😂😂😂

[grand girder]

ahh I see, I dont play pvp thats why I havent found a use

[strong cave]

If double crit it's usually crit with passive Regen. Often times you'll see it on HSD builds

[strong cave]

I need that crit pointman for my loved ones build 💔

[gentle lichen]

Putting your name into my daily rngesus prayer

[strong cave]

Literally it just needs to roll with 1 crit attribute. It doesn't even DROP

[grand girder]

here she is rotting away

[strong cave]

DAYUM

You could be a goofy and make an all red Regen build. You'd need to roll damage talents and red cores

[gentle lichen]

Aye mane can i hold your account for a min

[subtle bluff]

same

[grand girder]

I gotchu twin

[subtle bluff]

But it doesn't I have a Red Support build

[strong cave]

You'd want mine instead I've got basically everything plus dupes 😭

And I'm twice the SHD with over 10k points to spend

[gentle lichen]

It's gonna be like playing creative mode after getting sick of survival

I already do that when switching to console

[grand girder]

I dont think those points matter too much

[strong cave]

Why do you think I've not swapped back to console 💀

[grand girder]

(also note I havent spent any)

[subtle bluff]

I MESSSED UP MY MATS

[lament birch]

I forgot what to spent my attribute points on D;

[strong cave]

PFFFFFF LOL

[lament birch]

That’s me but with jumping to PC

[strong cave]

Yeah see, I didn't do that. I thought it would be a waste. DAMN was I wrong

[gentle lichen]

Krill tissue

[grand girder]

bro I cant even dent it

expertise n shit dont do anything I've optimized over 300 items so far

[strong cave]

With those points I'd be making a new build daily

[gentle lichen]

We can go m4m (mat for mat)

[strong cave]

Shit I wouldn't even farm. I'd just craft

[grand girder]

what did you say that pointman roll was?

[strong cave]

LOCALLLLLL

[grand girder]

I'll just craft one rq

[hexed steppe]

usually what i do, especially for the unicorns

[strong cave]

It just needs 1 crit roll. Just 1

[lament birch]

The fact that my offensive block is not a matching 14 points is bugging me—

[grand girder]

are you dead serious?

cause ill make one and then leave it to rot

[strong cave]

My guy spend those points. Also, focus CHC for the red box

[strong cave]

Trust me I'd craft the damn thing if I had the blueprint

[grand girder]

omfg

[lament birch]

If I wasn’t dying so much on those retaliation sorties, I’d have more blueprints too—

[strong cave]

I stg if you say it's double crit, I'm gonna blow a fuse.

[grand girder]

im not even kidding first try

is it good enough or does it need to be chd

[gentle lichen]

I wouldn't take that if i was you fifty

[lament birch]

It’s stuck on the first frame but I can hear it XD

[strong cave]

Either crit is fine, if I can even load the damn clip

[plucky portal]

Hey guys i have question or two, i droped ninja backpack and i have in mind build something around it, first for the damage and the other should be tanky. Do you have some advice or suggestions?

[strong cave]

How bad was it?

[meager fog]

He rolled CHC and Haz pro

[gentle lichen]

I can't see past the first frame too 😭

[grand girder]

mb gang I recorded on av1 lemme just obs this shit rq

[strong cave]

If it's not a PVP umbra build, don't bother with Ninja AssPack

[lament birch]

What the-???

[plucky portal]

I want it solely for pve

[strong cave]

Thank you nasa internet 🙏

[meager fog]

Yeah, my advice is don't use it. It's an active nerf in PvE

[grand girder]

is it good? cause i can still roll another 300 of em

[lament birch]

I still can’t get a Memento Mori to drop though :c

[strong cave]

It's not good in PvE at all. Direct nerf to all builds

[plucky portal]

Really?

[gentle lichen]

You able to do outcast retaliations?

[meager fog]

Backpack talents are far too strong in PvE to use NBB

[strong cave]

Yes. Backpack talents are STUPID strong not to take

Slapping ninjabike on striker directly nerfs total damage by like 30%. That's a giant chunk

[subtle bluff]

Chest and BP talents are powerful. NBB doesn't make up for that.

[lament birch]

I keep dying to invisible OPFOR there-

[strong cave]

What's the CHC % ?

I genuinely cannot load the clip

[gentle lichen]

Who's opfor?

[plucky portal]

Oh damn that's good to know then, either way i thank you all for help 😅

[meager fog]

Like 3.6%

[grand girder]

you can even see when I tab back in

[gentle lichen]

Son 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭im crine 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[strong cave]

Honestly, I personally would keep rolling for slightly better. My Gila is already max for how much BS I've deconned 💀

[grand girder]

I've optimized worse pieces than that lmao

but ima roll for double crit just to piss you off

[lament birch]

Opposing Forces = OPFOR

Or just Opps in the modern lexicon

[meager fog]

Enemies or Ads

[gentle lichen]

I'm 20 and i already can't keep up with this lingo

[strong cave]

No, what would piss me off is you craft double crit closer

[strong cave]

Opfor is very common terminology in military settings 😭

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i got a different lingo for war where i come from

[strong cave]

What, "1v1 me rust?"

[meager fog]

But not in gaming settings. 30 years gaming, and that's the first time i've EVER seen it used 😛 lol

[lament birch]

Tangoes, X-rays, Charlies, Innies count too

[gentle lichen]

Let's stay English friendly

[grand girder]

I got another chc haz pro one btw