td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

In a nutshell: just use an LMG at that rate

You have to jump through hoops to get huntsman to even be worth considering

[silent storm]

I have one now and it's pretty decent. Just need to get some mats to max it.

[scenic whale]

If huntsman had like 15 ish more rounds it’d be worth considering all the cope

[strong cave]

The mag size is quite literally what gives you your damage. Well, if your mag size is small, you're not getting any benefit from it. Better off running a different source of damage or a different weapon altogether where a talent like that would work better (LMGs)

Besides, LMGs have arguably the strongest talents in the division. This includes exotic ones like Plague of Outcasts, iron lung one and Bluescreen. Hell, even Pakhan is strong too

[broken edge]

Pakhan OD, damage go big

[dapper cloak]

anyone got a good refactor build I can copy?

[solar sable]

#td2-build-advice message

[dapper cloak]

ty

[silent storm]

Just got this from Prestige. Seems everyone likes The Lexington though so how does this stack up?

[strong cave]

At 25m+, you'll notice the accuracy gets worse (with all guns but most notably that one in particular)

If you can't reliably hit a target at nearly all ranges, it's not considered optimal for all situations. It's at best a 6.5/10 gun, the accuracy is what really holds it back. If you're a mid to close range player, it's a 10/10

[silent storm]

So Ridgway's Pride is probably awesome on OD right?

[hexed steppe]

its wasted on od

[subtle bluff]

Even then I think... MG5 would just out right do better (I need to check the sheets)

[hexed steppe]

od chest gives an extra 30% amp

[scenic whale]

Most likely yeah

[subtle bluff]

Without any drawbacks (To OD Chest)

[hazy onyx]

Hallo everyone I have been searching for THE VIRGINIAN 1885 rifle for a while and i can't find it, would anyone on here have one

[hexed steppe]

dz exclusive and named item caches are the source. cant share unless grouped when the item drops

[silent storm]

So what about on Striker, how would you rank this build?

[hexed steppe]

ridgeways is close range. it would synergize better with hunters fury

it you are staying right on top of npcs it can work, but i dont really see it as a good option.

memento is a better compromise for survivability

[subtle bluff]

Ridgewayy Pride to use
You need to close to everyone so that:

• Shoot ads so you can a small light bleed (DOT) on who ever you hit
• Per bleed you get a small light heal over time (HOT)
• but then they all can shoot easily because your close to them?

wait.. clean this up

[solar sable]

kestrel just made my day

:D

[hexed steppe]

carry you through leg on pc?

[solar sable]

something greater

[gentle lichen]

I already know but i'm not a little spoily guy

[verbal gust]

Just tried umbra and acs12 with brazen🤣 centurion holster ? My gawd

[subtle bluff]

On Strikers I'll just Orbit something and go wild with the acs

[wraith zealot]

rock n' roll my beloved

[verbal gust]

Going to try this next. The new stack broker though is going to be my next season start weapon for sure. That brand set is nasty.

[astral kraken]

@hearty pulsar I just had a matchmaked group where the team already had a lot of DPS so I switched to support.

I remembered you asked about CC/support and we said it can be hard b/c you need to know the spawns. Anyway here are a couple clips from that run so you can see exactly what we were talking about. Notice how the fire grenades are already on the ground before the spawn happens.

Figured it's worth posting since sometimes we say stuff but it's hard to visualize it.

[modern fulcrum]

Please help me fix it. I’m dying on hard 😭

[digital burrow]

Try putting some more blues on and u probably dont need strkr chest as u probably aren't getting to max stacks.

[subtle bluff]

Blue isn't the issue.

If it's on hard too..

[digital burrow]

Could be its his play style but thats for him to figure out. More armor just makes him survive more. What do u propose

[subtle bluff]

On hard tho.. Should be able to do with almost anything. As it scales later maybe but at hard not really.

I'd need more context really.

[digital burrow]

True.ud have to rly see the person playing to know what issue is but some generic advice i just say run more blues to keep u up more.

Its like I see new players running all red on legendary mis and go down instantly....im like bra come on

[subtle bluff]

Um but that's what use to solo leggo..

Well a lot of us actually.

[digital burrow]

Ye so do i but not wen u r new and don't know legendary mis

Not*

[subtle bluff]

Put on blues at hard is a crutch and you won't learn the core issue. If you're at heroic and you want a lil more armor on strikers I don't say too much.

Again need more context what is going on. If you're wiping on Hard like you're just face tanking everything already..

I'm only disagree changing to blue cores while on hard that's it.

[digital burrow]

U ever solo zoo on legendary? Im currently working on it. No modifiers

[subtle bluff]

No haven't yet.

That and tidal I haven't gone to try yet..

[digital burrow]

Its dam hard

Working on tidal too. Those are only 2 mis I play mostly. Enjoy the challenge

[subtle bluff]

agreed I just don't like grind of reseting alll the time. I have to be a mood for it.

[digital burrow]

Ye very frustrating

The croc part is getting me on zoo cus i got nowhere to go when they push me

[astral kraken]

lol metalscan is that you?

[digital burrow]

Ye whos this

[astral kraken]

lol i knew it

kestrel0x01

[digital burrow]

Ah I remember ur name. Wats up

[astral kraken]

im glad you're here, some cool ppl around

[digital burrow]

Heh

[astral kraken]

anyway if you wanna solo zoo start with memento striker for the first few clears

then move on to hunters fury regulus for some rooms

once you memorize spawns and such. or jump straight to glass striker.

croc enclosure is perfect for regulus

[subtle bluff]

Not to be ass. I had to go check how hard is hard again.
On 5pcs Skill build more or less nothing and you really have to not do anything to die on hard.
I'm feel like that guy was trollling or something

[wraith zealot]

im pretty sure your problem is first and foremost the stat allocation, im seeing yellow and blue in place its not supposed to be.

[subtle bluff]

LIKE HOW on hard...

[wraith zealot]

how's your library looking? @modern fulcrum. Good baseline for striker is 50 chc and dump everything else to chd. Take off striker chest, get ceska/grupo with obliterate depending on your critical stat.

[digital burrow]

First few rooms I dont have a prob with. I cleared all rooms already except the croc room. I dont have regulus tho. Hunter fur i should try myb . Not a bad idea

[wraith zealot]

for mod slot in mask, backpack, and chest, also put critical mods, depending on your critical stat. Do everything i said, i will guarantee you'd be changing from hard straight to heroic. @modern fulcrum

[digital burrow]

Heh myb ur right

[astral kraken]

I mean for croc room you can just stay behind the doors and shoot stuff. That one should be really easy for DPS unless you're doing somiething weird.

Assuming we're talking about the same room

[digital burrow]

Yea idk why its giving me prob. The chunga comes and few rushers and sniper bot....theres no cover. This room is easy as a team. Usu 4 players dont wipe at this part but solo its hard

[astral kraken]

I did it this week so I should have it recorded. I'll see if I can find a clip after I'm done with my current run

[digital burrow]

Aight. Why don't u put on utube ?

Do u use modifiers?

[subtle bluff]

We can't share our own YouTube links in here

[astral kraken]

If you wanna check YT check this guy out:
https://www.youtube.com/@dien_aka_kim/videos

He's very very VERY average.

[subtle bluff]

someone else can just no self stuff.

[astral kraken]

It's fine Enny is gonna have way better runs lol

[subtle bluff]

True

but nah you got good ones too

[digital burrow]

Oh ok

[digital burrow]

Ye i saw this guy. Not bad

[astral kraken]

here you go. mods are on but its not doing anything for me there. this is just a casual run and there are much faster ways to clear that.

the next encounter after that is when the real fun starts 🙂

[digital burrow]

Nice. Mods on still help a lot with increase rpm. Its basically a dmg boost

[astral kraken]

it plays out exactly the same way w/o mods, done it many times

[digital burrow]

Prove it. Jk

[digital burrow]

U use strkr chest or obliterate ?

[subtle bluff]

obliterate

[digital burrow]

Oh ye I see

[digital burrow]

Gotcha

[digital burrow]

Good stuff tho. Props for doing it

[astral kraken]

Just so you don't think I'm full of hot air

Glass cannon, no mods. You just have to play it a bit different b/c no shield.

What I love about glass cannon is you can just shoot through their heal station heals.

[wet stream]

Hey guys, so I'am not a great builder and still dont know how to build a good DPS build for legendary and Heroic😅 💀
And would take any help if someone can help me xP
I use the Police M4. But I'm not dealing the dmg i would need to💀

[meager fog]

^

[digital burrow]

Very nice. U have whole run on vid?

[astral kraken]

nah but you can watch dien's videos for inspiration, he's more efficient anyway

[astral kraken]

Pick a build from this collection:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?usp=sharing

You don't need to make your own builds. Just pick one from that list or from the build spreadsheet (pinned messages in this channel). Most of them are pretty easy to farm for. Usually creating your own build starts with one of the optimal ones and making changes to it.

[hearty pulsar]

whats bis

[cerulean smelt]

Best in Slot

[hearty pulsar]

what about mods? chc?

[woeful zodiac]

Can anyone give me a good ouroboros build?

[vernal tusk]

Streamline - Do we know after i deployed shield or disorient skill in emergency when weapon damage talent increases , we do know its not working with active skill

[subtle bluff]

Standard DPS Crit:
With Coyote's 50-54% CHC
W/O Coyote's closest to 60% CHC without going over cap of 60%
Then the rest into CHD

[subtle bluff]

HF and Strikers

[cerulean smelt]

however long it takes for your skills to not be on cool down

[subtle bluff]

It's CD and Deployed

[woeful zodiac]

Exotic?

[subtle bluff]

Gearset: Hunter Fury and Strikers

[woeful zodiac]

Can I use memento?

[subtle bluff]

Yes. Follow the link above for the build hub

[digital burrow]

Thx for sharing. Toasty also has good runs on utube

[digital burrow]

U like measured? The Change in rpm throws me off

[subtle bluff]

We love measured

[vernal tusk]

Thanks - so when i just use it for seconds in emergency streamline talent buff does not work anymore, but as long as skills are not on cooldown or deployed im good to go, i mostly dont use skills :).

[astral kraken]

Honestly I didn't like it at first either. I used Killer. But after I got used to it I don't take it off anymore.

I like that it's "always on" and doesn't require stacking or kills or w/e.

[astral kraken]

BTW get yourself a regulus dude. Trust me. It opens up a whole new play style to learn.

[subtle bluff]

Streamline isn't really worth to use. Skills are too powerful not to have..
Killer will sever you better

[astral kraken]

Streamline: It's a Trap!

[digital burrow]

Not rly my style. Its like determined. Almost like a cheat. I dont even like playing in group if someone using determined

[astral kraken]

lol regulus is the highest skill ceiling in the game

I don't think there's anything harder, esp in matchmaking

[subtle bluff]

You have to land a HS with HH still..

I get not wanting to use Determined

[astral kraken]

Yea determined I get too

Although even with determined if you play fast it's not easy

[digital burrow]

Plus I use controller. So not easy for me to hit headshots

[digital burrow]

Oh rly ? I thought it was more like a determined thing

[astral kraken]

What makes determined so easy is body shots count as head shots. So you don't have to aim precisely. With regulus you need to land a headshot and it needs to be the right targets.

If you delay even half a second or miss by a pixel, you die

You also need to learn spawns and know which ones can work

[digital burrow]

I see. Yea I know all spawns in zoo. Wher do u get regulus?

[astral kraken]

Not an optimal strat but I can't tell you how many attempts it took to nail this semi-consistently

[astral kraken]

Iron Horse raid is the most reliable way. I don't know if GCRock still takes people through but that used to be the place. Maybe others can recommend a good raid discord these days. @subtle bluff do you know one?

[subtle bluff]

Yup GCrock server is still the best for Raids

[digital burrow]

Heh nice

[digital burrow]

Gotcha. Not a fan of raids and I hate farming for anything lol. Almost nvr do

But appreciate the info

[subtle bluff]

uh.. I was able to HHF 1st section of Zoo leggo.. I never tried till now..

[astral kraken]

Yea same. I just got it over with.

BTW you wanna see complete insanity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6QdBjsTapo

[subtle bluff]

He can get them from the caches

[astral kraken]

that video breaks my brain tbh

[meager fog]

Regulus takes 3 weeks to complete the project 🙂 unless you're lucky enough to get it from a stretch cache.

But it's worth it

[digital burrow]

Hah. How did he get over 600k a tick with ox chem

[digital burrow]

Ye I dont do projects , journey etc either. But
Good to know if i ever do. Thx

[meager fog]

For what reason? Just curious...missing massive chunks of xp

And most are completed by simply playing

[digital burrow]

Ye I dont do anything for xp or my shd would be a lot higher. I just don't rly care about my lvl tbh. Once u are over 1k i dont see the point.

I only play what I actually enjoy and thats mostly legedary mis.

[meager fog]

2k is where the health bonus stops, and every level gives material points for easier upgrading.

Not bugging on the way you like to play

[strong cave]

SHD 17k here,

While I still have 9k points left to use on my watch, even I skip the projects. I don't play enough to keep my resources topped off and spending points to keep them that way isn't worth the levels I get by completing the projects. Let alone how much time can go into some of them. I'd rather just farm control points for levels than waste watch points

[astral kraken]

IDK what he uses but i get 544k with this. There's no way what I have is optimal but it works for when I need it.

[strong cave]

You can do the materials farm but even then that's tedious just for a few levels

[astral kraken]

I used this for incursion turrets back in the day b/c I didn't wanna waste an overcharge hive

[meager fog]

I'm 1730, don't really play for levels or specifically to complete projects etc. They just naturally do on their own.

I was just curious as to why he would deliberately ignore them that's all.

Joruneys etc I mainly save for Stretch goals because free chunks of xp

[strong cave]

I was a goofy and I did all my journey missions right away. I did however save my manhunts and those give a good 4800 seasonal XP alone (I think with the benefits applied as well). Playing for all of an hour and doing 2 1/2 scouts brought me almost 20-30 levels. As for why he would ignore the projects, I can see why, depending on SHD level and remaining points OR by # of resources they have

Plus factoring in playtime and free time to play, would also make sense why they (much like myself, too) would ignore the projects

[digital burrow]

Ye all good. to each their own. I wouldn't knock anyone and how they spend their time playing . I think some players have diff goals than others.

I just enjoy the hard content And I like to put together unique blds. That's rly it. I will say I am almost nvr short of materials

[digital burrow]

Right

Im shd lvl 2500 btw. I know players with as much play time as me who are 3 times my lvl lol

[meager fog]

Eh SHD level has very little meaning these days.

Game has been out a long time, with lots of exploits used time ago and people who hjave probably hit 100k naturally by now

I need to get another 269 shd levels before 27th 😛

[dreamy valve]

You want to look at their commendation score, that’s the real shd

[digital burrow]

Hmm thats pretty good too. Max expertise?

[astral kraken]

is 6805 good?

[digital burrow]

Hah I dont even know how that works

[astral kraken]

oxidizer is at 28 expertise

[digital burrow]

I rly dont pay attention to all ot of stuff. Guess im just a unique kinda player

[digital burrow]

Wats the talent on bp and chest

[astral kraken]

chest is glass and bp is tech support

[meager fog]

Nah you just enjoy different stuff, that's why gaming is so great

[digital burrow]

Interesting ill test it

[subtle bluff]

To note when needing to show Oxi Builds I have oxi you have to search for the post

OH wow it's gone..

I have this saved in here and disappeared. welp it's here again.

[hearty pulsar]

opinions on the M4 vs famas 2010?

[subtle bluff]

One shoot faster the other is more balanced

[strong cave]

Then in this case, you value your time playing the game naturally and progressing VS completing projects to progress quicker. Basically the same as me lol

[strong cave]

Famas has a higher burst DPS, with a little bit more recoil compared to the M4 which has a lower burst but is pinpoint accurate

If you can manage recoil (easy to do with the right sensitivity settings and memorizing recoil patterns), the Famas would be the best all-round choice. If you prefer to turn your brain off and point and click, the M4 would be the way to go. It boils down to preference at the end of the day

[digital burrow]

Ye and i dont even know what progress means rly in a game like d2. There no completing/finishing the game. Its just diff variations

[strong cave]

In div 2 progress would be min-maxing builds, optimizing builds, and ranking up expertise. As well as playing all forms of content at least once. When you have all your builds maxed out, expertise is at 30, and you've played all forms of content, I'd say technically you've completed division 2. That's until the next update hits and new gear/content gets added. I myself am in this cycle because I have basically everything in the game and I've done all content at least once. And I'm at expertise 30. It's why I'm mostly a pvp player. But even then with the issues that's going on in the pvp community, there's not much content there to play either. The build meta hasn't changed and all the new gear that's been coming out is PvE focused (or doesn't work in PvP at all)

This is partially why we see the player counts per season climb when a new season hits and falls when the season is about to end. It's because people have either played all the new content already, got busy, or went to a different game to wait until new content hits. It's the usual division cycle lol

[modern fulcrum]

Awesome tysm agent!

[stone python]

Sorry

I was pointing out the issue

[subtle bluff]

Np remove that one. It's known to the dev's already

[hearty pulsar]

with this one, might be a idiotic question but do we scrap any items that has blue, headshot or yellow attributes?

[wraith zealot]

depends on your library.

I feel like tinkering is the place where new player needed a guide the most.

library, expertise. I dont think anyone write a guide about that.

[meager fog]

For the Gloves kneepads and Holster and backpack no, you can just change the secondary because they always roll weapon damage.

For the Coyotes, it only rolls CHC and CHD anyway, for the Chest you want a perfect stat piece so you can change only the talent.

[meager fog]

There are DOZENS of good guides about it.

[wraith zealot]

does the document have one?

some people might prefer reading.

[subtle bluff]

It's in my guide for farming

In the build hub. 40 lvl farm guide. or something like that

[meager fog]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.vzdhzql06jrd

[wraith zealot]

@modern fulcrum @hearty pulsar if you guys are still kinda lost on farming.

[modern fulcrum]

Ty!

[meager fog]

I feel like you need to edit the Mr Plow song from the Simpsons for your own theme music.

"Call MrChow, that's my name, that name again is MrChow"

[subtle bluff]

lol

[hearty pulsar]

thanks, runnng CD now and keep getting a red and blue attributes or red and yellow, not a chd and chc

[meager fog]

If you're just starting to farm for builds, this one might be easier to get.

You can use a Ceska chest that rolls with Obliterate even if you have to change one of the attributes.

Eventually, you want to try farm a "perfect piece" which has CHC and CHD but concentrate on getting the correct stuff before the perfect stuff.

[strong cave]

Assuming they're a new player and just now starting the striker farm? I missed it

[subtle bluff]

He has my farm guide it's all there already

[strong cave]

That answers my question. Yeah dorky is right on this one

It's important to note that you can slot grupo in the knees/holster/mask slot for the time being until you get coyote. Ceska chest will be most important on the build. The backpack can't be swapped out of the build either. Figured I'd point that out so there's no confusion of "do I have to farm for the exact setup or can I use a different piece in a different slot?"

[meager fog]

You can interchange the Grupo and Ceska pieces freely, as long as you have the backpack. While you farm for the perfect pieces

Even a grupo chest with Ceska mask would work

[strong cave]

Correct on that too. Whichever piece you end up getting first, do the opposite for each (if you get Ceska first, go Grupo next. If you get Grupo, go Ceska next)

Good example of this would be Grupo chest with crits + obliterate and say Ceska kneepads. You'll still have your 4 piece striker just the pieces used are slightly different. In this case, you will want Ceska chest + obliterate due to it being best in slot for nearly all DPS builds

[hearty pulsar]

whats the parts and stats

[strong cave]

Everything on striker should be Weap DMG + Crit Hit Damage. If you're a low SHD level, you might need more crit chance mods on the build to meet the 50-55% crit chance "requirement" (hard cap is 60%)

Your Grupo + Ceska pieces will be CHC/CHD

Another piece of info to know too is if you're starting the SHD watch grind, dump all of your damage points in the watch to crit chance first. Then focus damage, and then weapon damage

[hearty pulsar]

currently near the 500 shd mark

[meager fog]

You need to aim to be close to the crit cap, without going over it. You should land with 1k SHD level on around 57%> Sacrifice some CHD until you hit SHD cap

[hearty pulsar]

my currently at 51% chc and chd is about the same with 4 strikers, coyote and a grupo

[meager fog]

With Coyotes I still like to have higher crit, because the close range 25% CHD comes in handy more than you realise

Don't rely on the CHC boost from Coyotes

[hearty pulsar]

my mods are about 5.2-5.3%, i think my highest is 5.8 chc and the chd mods are about 10.3-5

[meager fog]

If you're using Coyotes, you ideally want a ceska piece

Because you get the CHD boost from the mask, so Grupo is redundant

The problem is that at Master/Legendary level you can't always control the firing distance like you can on Heroic and lower. So having a higher CHC from the off gives you a better DPS over all than having more CHD.

[gentle lichen]

i expertised the wrong chest piece
oh my head hurts rn

[meager fog]

Tbh, Expertising armour should be the last thing you do

[gentle lichen]

did i say expertise

i meant optimise

what's funny though is that i did actually expertise a wrong chest on ps

[scenic whale]

If it makes you feel any better I sacked my usage QStep recently and my only backup was a 1.5 pistol damage QStep,m. At least I finally got to see BTusk Tac bundles drain and Pistol Alloys

[analog mural]

guys how do i get the quickstep pistol?

[meager fog]

You can't

[analog mural]

it does not drop from any other sources?

[meager fog]

No

It's an event exclusive

[amber crater]

Your only chance if someone still have Houndsman bounties and get it from the event cache.
Though they always come with minimum values on the attributes ⚠️

[patent fossil]

it will likely start dropping again next time there's a seasonal event, from the loot goblin/hoarder

[meager fog]

I haven't been able to confirm if the caches still drop the pistol, it's unlikely.

[analog mural]

i only need it to pretend i have the booster hive from early days tho

[amber crater]

I can confirm, did it today

[meager fog]

I've done 17/18 bounties with others trying to farm for it for other people and nobody has had it drop from any of the caches. We were doing 4 man as well, so excuse me if I seem a little skeptical.

[amber crater]

if you are on PC we can give it a shot, I still have Houndsman bounties

[analog mural]

thanks dude, i just needed to know if its available in some loot pool 😎

[stone python]

Upgrading increases the overall weapon damage or just Quickstep's?

[patent fossil]

just that specific weapon

[digital burrow]

Right. Ye I've played most of the content once and thats enough for me personally. Only a few things in d2 get me enough to play over and over. I rly wish they add more legendary mis. That would be great

[stone python]

It wont count here in the stats?

[shy willow]

It reflects in the weapon's displayed damage

[stone python]

So i guess its not worth it upgrading pistol damage

[shy willow]

Expertise in general isn't worth it unless you have incessant amounts of stuff to burn

[astral kraken]

i'd just put swap speed on it and call it finished

since it's just to run around with

[meager fog]

Expertise on weapons is 30% extra damage. Absotely worth it. On some skills its also great.

On armour its pretty useless.

[mental tangle]

Yup

[amber crater]

just to confirm/understand the reasoning behind why it is useless on armor, is it because the percentage is applied on the item's base armor? 🤔

[astral kraken]

Yes, but it's not useless. It's just not worth the cost of exotic components compared to using them for weapons.

Even if you graded all your weapons to 30 it's worth keeping the exos for future weapons.

If you graded all 6 gear pieces to 30 you'd get 198k extra armor. A blue core is 170k armor.

[torpid mica]

I know this is a bit of a boring build, but it’s my first attempt at putting something decent together, any recommendations to improve it? Know the G36C isn’t the best weapon here trying to get the Kingbreaker.

[stone python]

Servers down?

[amber crater]

wrong channel 🙏
and they are not 🙂

[torpid mica]

Think my build stunned everyone to silence but not in a good way 😂

[urban latch]

Check out the heartbreaker guide in the pinned google doc. Main thing though is you'll want a better backpack, especially one with vigilance. You'll also want to focus on getting the minor attributes changed over to crit

[torpid mica]

I’ve got the ceska backpack with vigilance?

[torpid mica]

Brilliant cheers mate

[urban latch]

Thats exactly what you want

[torpid mica]

Aww brilliant! So I’ll just change over the minor attributes what’s a good chc to aim for?

[hexed steppe]

Memento pretty good on hb too since most generally run a shield and it synergizes well.

[torpid mica]

Yeah took me ages in the summit to get the ceska, will have fun with this for a bit and compare with memento

[neon gorge]

do ya'll got any non striker builds to recommend? want to try something different

[urban latch]

whole bunch in the pinned google doc

[stone python]

Worth crafting or nah?

[broken edge]

OD is a fun build

[neon gorge]

ı am blind apparently ı'll check those out

[neon gorge]

thx

[meager fog]

Negotiators Dilemma

[woeful zodiac]

Guys hear me out, this for the next season

Weapons-

Ouroboros
Lexington with Killer talent
Quickstep

Gears-

2 pcs of Striker
2 pcs of Unit Alloys (next season)
Turmoil or Suneate kneepads (1 skill tier)

[meager fog]

Outright worse than just using strikers...

and turmoil is bad outside of one shot builds

[woeful zodiac]

That's why I made it optional

[meager fog]

What is the objective of this build?

[woeful zodiac]

Mag size increase
RoF increase
Making it more of a burst dps ig

[meager fog]

With far less burst DPS than just using 4pc strikers?

[woeful zodiac]

Fine, I will be using Striker kneepads

[meager fog]

Not the point, you're missing the 4pc strikers bonus for no reason

[strong cave]

It's not gonna perform. Besides, you only named 5 slot pieces out of 6

2 striker + 2 unit + turmoil = 5 pieces

This a ninja bike build?

[zealous dew]

judging by how he claimed to have increased magsize from 2 unit, most likely

[strong cave]

Dude still won't even get the full striker benefit even with Ninja bike going that route

[silent storm]

I put an Accuracy grip on it and honestly it isn't that bad for 90% of engagements. Extreme range it's not that good but that is what the Rifle is for. Would like to get a Lex to compare the two but liking The Caretaker right now.

[strong cave]

an accuracy grip does help it a bit but youre sacrificing a good 5% crit chance just to make up the difference. your best bet is to use the one holster that gives you Accuracy and instead put the crit mod back on the weapon

then again, as much as I personally love the G36/Caretaker, jumping thru hoops to make a gun worth it in all scenarios just isnt exactly what most would consider efficient

[hazy steeple]

It's important to remember that "being accurate" and "Accuracy" is very much not the same thing.
Accuracy in div2 is a specific stat.

[silent storm]

But then I lose Obliterate or OvD. SO not going to sacrifice that much for it as close to med range isn't that bad

[strong cave]

yeah that is true. You could honestly just take a secondary weapon and swap off for long-range kills

[silent storm]

Yeah, also this gun seems to have a widening bloom on it so if you pulse fire longer ranges you will hit more shots

[strong cave]

swap back after you knock out a long range target. or just cover to cover so you dont get shot by long range enemies

Nimble is perfect for that 💯

[silent storm]

My Rifle is what I carry it for

[strong cave]

there you go then 👌 its not a terrible AR for what it is. I just hate that at range the accuracy is a bit bad

[silent storm]

I do also have one stat of Weapon Handling because I haven't gotten that perfect Ceska chest yet with Obliterate

[strong cave]

youll get it one day. just like one day ill get that vigi habsburg backpack so I can roll a red core. same with double crit closer to roll for red core and double crit matador to roll for blue core

[silent storm]

Matador/Hunter-Killer build?

[strong cave]

mostly for shotguns in PVP

[subtle bluff]

Heh heh...

Damnit i dont have a clip of doing HB Shotty. On hand

[strong cave]

Heartbreaker right?

[subtle bluff]

Teehehe. By no means a good build but someone wanted to see how I would play HB on my showcase run so I just decided to do this since I had the thought of this build but didn't want to put it together.

[strong cave]

Pummel and Brazen, love to see you pick up the idea 💯

Definitely give my high end shotgun version a try. It's so fun running and pumping lol

[subtle bluff]

HF would this so much better.

[meager fog]

VISIT YOUR DAMN STASH! 😏

[subtle bluff]

It's full.. I have issues...

mostly full due to all my loadouts.

[hexed steppe]

I run about 130 on average. When you got all the builds you need , lack of space becomes a non issue.
Especially if you use z to pickup loot 😎

[meager fog]

That flashing red text on my screen would irritate the hell out of me 😛 lol

[hexed steppe]

I dont even see it

[silent storm]

How does this do with 4 player scaling?

So just got Lexington. Killer is the Talent for it right?

[hexed steppe]

killer or measured

[violet juniper]

Well I just saw one of the weirdest glitches ever

this guy helped my group solo the entire master mission

he'd run out, use a skill and literally everything would drop dead

[silent storm]

Bug, report him

[violet juniper]

hell no

guy was actually really helpful

[silent storm]

Well he is glitching the new pistol

[violet juniper]

yeah I thought so. Hardwired, Vile, Tempest with a shield

He was using banshee pulse I think

managed to one shot the marauder helicopters

[silent storm]

Yup expoiting

[violet juniper]

i asked him and he said it was a glitch too

I mean I'm not complaining. dude really helped me out

[subtle bluff]

There's a bug out. Help writing out the ticket.. We but let's not talk about these things here.

[violet juniper]

how does a pistol talent do that though

[subtle bluff]

Part of the rules.

[violet juniper]

I'm not snitching on the one guy who's been able to get me through the mission

[subtle bluff]

Expoiting a bug.

I know but we don't about these things in this discord it's part of the rules.

[onyx sage]

you don't have to snitch him, but it is a bug in the game, it's not legit

but because it's part of the game right now, it's not a cheat necessarily, just a glitch

[violet juniper]

Yeah I didn't think it was legit lol, he was making crowds of people drop dead

[strong cave]

We have to be careful how exploits get talked about. Certain things go against the rules. But simply mentioning there is an exploit isn't a rule breaker

[violet juniper]

was weird watching 5-6 rogue agents die instantly

[violet juniper]

Yeah I have no clue how he did it

But hey, I have the new pistol

[strong cave]

It's a fun little pistol. I ran it with 4 piece strikers, Ceska chest with intimidate, and memento backpack. I went all out for armor and got my stacks with ACS12 and then yanked the mega shield out and mag dump my pistol

Was seeing 1m crits and it was a total blast. Just not entirely viable tho

[silent storm]

I do and it isn't something you just stumble upon

He knowingly exploited the game

[subtle bluff]

The point is discussing the topic. It goes against the #rules
I am trying help you steer you away from warning or something.

Let’s just drop it now. I could go on for a bit about it I choose not to hint near it.

[silent storm]

It's honestly why only play PvE in this game and don't even care about PvP.

Which is honestly really fun, some people like to explore Elden Ring I like running around a post virus dystopia and check stuff out lol. You ever just hook up with a resource convoy and walk them to their destination? Sometimes it's hilarious

That's the one right there.

[hexed steppe]

tbf, coming to official disc, you kinda are snitching a bit... js you can easily write up a bug report without putting names so devs could replicate the glitch and attempt to repair

[silent storm]

People know it, I say report the guy and move on

[hexed steppe]

anyways, how bout them mortar builds

[silent storm]

Step one, done.

[hexed steppe]

its ready to use.

[silent storm]

Now I need to do a LOT of farming lol

[silent storm]

See the check, it's equipped

[hexed steppe]

i would add an lmg to your build instead of a rifle to pair with lex.

[subtle bluff]

I’ve already done this in detail…Trying get us to push past the topic.

[silent storm]

Something like this?

[hexed steppe]

keep an eye on how much killer is procced when in group... if it isnt a lot then measured would be a solid option.

[silent storm]

I kill

[strong cave]

Strained would be an okay choice too

Ranger is a great option for distance play as well

[silent storm]

If I am not killing it's because everything in the room is targeting me because people take blue cores into missions

[hexed steppe]

thats why i said to monitor. if its up a lot then there is no need to change it. its a case by case thing

[violet juniper]

People are allowed to play with whatever they want.

[hexed steppe]

i would use a bluescreen or ironlung , but its mostly preference

[subtle bluff]

“Targeting” you?

[violet juniper]

threat mechanic?

does threat apply to skill builds? or is it direct bullet damage

[hexed steppe]

aggro based on damage output

[subtle bluff]

Even then that’s not all. We just know most is from Damage output.
Why we don’t suggest Tanking in the game.

[silent storm]

Yeah, I go hard so if you are sporting blue cores and a shield, while I will kill a lot, sometimes all the drones or grenadiers bomb me.

[shy willow]

On the one hand rowdy is perfectly valid for having genuine grievances with dead weight in groups

On the other you should be able to hold your own even in groups

[silent storm]

So take your blue core butt over to my corpse and rez me

[subtle bluff]

No they won’t. They’ll target the ones that’s doing the most Damage most of the time.

[hexed steppe]

isnt that the same thing he said

[silent storm]

I always draw drone and bomber agro unless those are taken out first

[subtle bluff]

There’s not way to Effectively to Tank / Hold agro.

You can tell me w/e you want this has been discussed a lot.

[hexed steppe]

hes drawing aggro through damage output is the statement

not by tanking

[subtle bluff]

I can do more has a “tank” on a 6 Skill Tier build than a 6 blue core build has done.

[hexed steppe]

huh?

[silent storm]

Yeah but you aren't every random that joins my missions

[subtle bluff]

You’re missing the point again.

[hexed steppe]

im missing your point here

[subtle bluff]

Tanking vs support tanking

Or just supporting

[hexed steppe]

hes talking about running 6red and drawing aggro

[onyx sage]

I'm missing everyone's points but that's because i just work here

[shy willow]

Sir this is a unfortunately not a Wendy's

[hexed steppe]

awe, no frosty for us?

[silent storm]

The only Frosty is a Chocolate Frosty.

All other frostys are just iced flavor

[silent storm]

Mr. Chow has to always be diametrically opposed to me for some reason though

[hexed steppe]

i dont agree with that. i think as a subgroup, build theory is going to have people challenging eachother, not out of spite, but to advance overall knowledge

i think this is justa misunderstanding

[silent storm]

Like Yin and Yang, but I will be his Costello because he has some good builds

[hexed steppe]

i remember being new here and it can seem like that tho. once one realizes none of this is personal we all get along so much better

[violet juniper]

Traditional tanks aren't very helpful. Having blue cores on your build is absolutely fine though, and anyone who says different can go kick rocks

[subtle bluff]

Cuz you miss all the points.

[silent storm]

I don't take anything personal, atleast online

[subtle bluff]

Either do I. Why I go silent and let you talk to yourself you tend to do that.
This is me just being blunt. Also if you forget I am ESL and dyslexia so sometimes trying to describe something in words is difficult for me. Why I made and use guides so I don’t mess up.

[silent storm]

What is ESL?

[subtle bluff]

English second language

[silent storm]

AHH ok

[subtle bluff]

Why you see me edit a lot and have messy English/Gammer

[silent storm]

Yeah sometimes I have been told by people like that that I say or use phrases that they don't understand have other meanings than dictionary meanings

[hexed steppe]

i ran into another mortar player today and felt obligated to compliment that build with another mortar... needless to say, nothing moved for too long in DUA

[silent storm]

So I confused them

[hexed steppe]

google is our friend

[silent storm]

I tried to use Mortar on my Refactor build and honestly how do you use it in DUA?

[hexed steppe]

oh its easy

[silent storm]

Do you run up and drop it?

[subtle bluff]

Wording no issue with you. You trying to explain things in your own way that we know for a fact how it works is the issue.

[hexed steppe]

once you get how to target behind objects, or aiming at a ceiling somewhere to force mortar to arc above to hit that high spawn point, it all becomes trivial

[silent storm]

Like with my Striker Turret I will Quickstep into a forward position and double click as I am running to drop the turret there

[hexed steppe]

you misinterpreted what he said... you tagged a sccenario that was hypothetically after he was downed because he was targettting by using all red and dishing out damage... plz reread

[subtle bluff]

Bleh I get it more or less what his theory is.

[hexed steppe]

so why the extra, you both were saying the same thing

anyways

[hexed steppe]

i can dm you something i recorded showcasing a mortar run on capital (not leg). its not sharable here per rules, but kinda shows how i use it.
basically if you can visualize where a spawn or crouching npc is, you can work your mortar target point to a specific area. if its far enough itll natually arc higher and you can usually clear obstructions. you can also aim way past things to force mortar to explode on walls or ricochet off ceilings/angled walls

dua has a lot of ricochet points that are not helpful tho.

[lament reef]

it’s morbing time

[silent storm]

I have no problem on Capitol. Wide open sky there

[hexed steppe]

its the same concept, you just have to be mindful where you place stuff. maybe ill record dua

[silent storm]

So basically what you are telling me is git gud mortar scrub

[hexed steppe]

well, i have 1000s of hours using mortar, so yeah, get gud

[silent storm]

Give it time because I am a grinder and I like things to grind

[hexed steppe]

once you realize you dont need to see the target, things fall into place

and memorizing spawns doesnt hurt

i spent a good amount of time self deleting in the beginning stages

[silent storm]

This body is going to take so long to max lol

[silent storm]

Yo.

So Lexington. Blows both Caretaker and Huntsman out of the water. It's not even close

What would I even need a backup gun for?

[subtle bluff]

What talent does Lex have on?
Just like IRL it's quicker switch to secondary than to reload.

[silent storm]

Pyromaniac is the only gun that comes close to Lexington, and Lexington is the only gun I have used in D2 that feels like my D1 LWM4 or LVOA-C in D2

[shy willow]

Wh-

[silent storm]

Killer

And when you zoom in, freaking laser beam

I get it now

Also I looked and Lex reloads faster than both Huntsman and Caretaker with same mods.

I used it as well and yeah that .4 second matters

[subtle bluff]

Lex killer to caretaker is 0.5% difference then Huntsman is like another %

[silent storm]

Huntsman to Caretaker is Caretaker in the lead. Caretaker to Lexington is just leaps and bounds better. It's not even close how much better Lexington is compared to Caretaker.

Now my biggest issue is figuring out what is the best skin for Lexington

[urban latch]

In what sense/situation?

[silent storm]

What do you mean?

[urban latch]

how is the pyro close to lex

[silent storm]

The feel of it when you are shooting. Granted I only use my Pyromaniac on my Ortiz kit but you get what I am saying

[gentle lichen]

have a dedicated iron lung player shooting everything you shoot

[silent storm]

What does that do?

[astral kraken]

shoot... now... no wait... now now now... wait for it... NOW

[silent storm]

Ortiz makes everything burn

Ortiz was actually the first build I was happy with in this game. As far as gearsets go

[shy willow]

Ignited isn't anywhere near as good as say sadist because there's not a completely consistent way to have every target lit on fire

[silent storm]

Still fun to bring it out every once in a while

[silent storm]

Do you not use the spinning turret of fire with your Ortiz build?

And the Flamethrower of Death?

[shy willow]

If you're running exuro you're nerfing yourself, in addition to the cooldown on the flame turret being abysmally long

Uptime is terrible too

[silent storm]

You know you can pick it up for shortened CD right?

[shy willow]

Other turrets and drones are up for like 2 mins at a time

[gentle lichen]

They really should've did a nightwatcher move with the 3 pc of exuro giving 100% fire turret skill haste

[silent storm]

Why what happened with Nightwatcher?

[shy willow]

Night watcher gives 100 percent scanner pulse haste

[silent storm]

What was it before?

[gentle lichen]

It was always like that

[shy willow]

It has so much going for it but the turret just sucksss

[gentle lichen]

Admittedly it's goddamn annoying in pvp

[shy willow]

Cuz the bag is a free team amp

[silent storm]

Ortiz is a CC gearset and I abused the hell out of it until I was able to build DPS gearsets

And it is really easy to build

[subtle bluff]

Tell us how it goes afterward.

[gentle lichen]

quite happy striker shares the same sentiment

[silent storm]

Striker is easy to build hard to master

[shy willow]

Eclipse:

[silent storm]

Ortiz is easy to build easy to master

[gentle lichen]

you just shoot at stuff

i would've agreed with you if it lost stacks on missing like div 1 but it dont

[silent storm]

Yeah but you die quick if you are careless

[shy willow]

You die just as quickly with exuro lol it's just that you have a goofy turret drawing aggro

[silent storm]

And CC

Striker doesn't have native CC

[subtle bluff]

How can do say that without having play it or even build it yet....

That's having a ego if nothing.

[silent storm]

That was my first build ever when the gearset was introduced

[shy willow]

Eclipse does everything exuro does significantly better

[solar sable]

wait for it...

[shy willow]

Like yeah the 360 fire breather is kinda funny but it's nowhere near as effective

[silent storm]

It doesn't have a 360 degree spinning fire turret of hell

[shy willow]

You're missing that eclipse can proliferate status effects; it's the most broken part about it

[subtle bluff]

Someone search my name for video for EP and reforward it.

[astral kraken]

#td2-build-advice message

i dont know how to forward 🧠

[solar sable]

smort

[shy willow]

Like exuro feels like they looked at firecrest and said yeah let's do that and it got lost in translation

[silent storm]

When did Eclipse come out? Because I don't think it was out when I built my Ortiz GS

[buoyant perch]

It was available before ortiz

[silent storm]

Was it?

[onyx sage]

season 2 lol

[silent storm]

Maybe I just wanted to use my Pyromaniac and that is why I built it. Because I know that was one of the first good named guns I got.

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12Su_etkf41V0BPIdI58drnGg0XSrxDmLdz4MEbrBqSY/edit?tab=t.0
06/23/2020, S2 (Keener's Legacy)

[silent storm]

I feel like Eclipse was not good back then though or we just didn't know how to use it at the time

Has it changed since it came out?

[vernal tusk]

It is a good comination momento, opbliterate chest? 4 Striker? I play skilless with perfect streamline too. And streamline.

[subtle bluff]

No steamline everything else good.

Use killer

[shy willow]

No lol

Been cemented into the meta for a long time

[rich cosmos]

Exuro is terrible by the simple fact of how much it clutters your vision

[subtle bluff]

EP only change by 5m buff on the chest iirc... (Idk how I know this when I've only play for like 22 month.

[silent storm]

I think I just was playing different back then

[hexed steppe]

yeah, ep definitely top tier. its one of the 3 builds i use on a regular basis.
negodogs | mortar | fire eclipse

[plucky portal]

Hey guys i was horsing around, trying to make something ridiculous and i was playing too much with this build where i never stop shooting and healing myself 🤣

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean?

[plucky portal]

I Don't know, it shouldn't work like it works cuz dang its tearing down everything 😀

[subtle bluff]

Are you on heroic?

[meager fog]

can't even tell what it is...

I can see it's got turmoil, so it's not good

and it looks like 3pc strikers? Also bad...

[subtle bluff]

Hence the heroic question.

[meager fog]

WHats the chest? Can't see properly

[subtle bluff]

Not heroic with turmoil everything kind just dies too easily anyways.

Named Habsburg thing.

[solar prairie]

Is the caretaker worth using over say St. Elmo or Lexington?

[subtle bluff]

Depends more on the player

[meager fog]

Not really. Damage wise its not that much better and you'll hit less shots in general.

Use what you want, but you'll see why the G36 doesnt get much use

If you want perfect killer, use Dark Winter. Far better gun imo

[solar prairie]

Off to the collections alt it goes

[meager fog]

I used it for a bit, not a noticable difference in damage. But alot of frustration.

It cant play well at the range you want an AR to play at and at the range it actually works you'd be better with a Chameleon or SMG

[vernal tusk]

@subtle bluff what about on umbra set, striker, hunters fury, negotiator dilemma, aegis, cavalier, tipping scales, fountry - i like using smg 🙂

[meager fog]

Why are you naming a million different builds that havr different uses and weapom synergies?

[subtle bluff]

.......
Do you just mean is anything else good with smg?

##"Yes"

[vernal tusk]

I do prefer smg but talent may be different

[meager fog]

Ok but you named alot of different builds that again will have different uses, playstyles and synergies.

[subtle bluff]

Kind of troll answer but also not false.
Almost anything is viable up to solo heroic.

[vernal tusk]

What weapon , talent should i use on example umbra?

[meager fog]

Unwavering would work well on an SMG

[vernal tusk]

No matter what type of build?

[meager fog]

As long as you're getting damage from other sources. Eg Strikers Stacks, Umbra Stacks, Tipping Stacks

[vernal tusk]

So chest pices or

[meager fog]

Chest pieces for most DPS builds arent needed outside of Legendary, with the exception of OD

[woeful zodiac]

Is Ouroboros with memento and sokolov good with strikers or Hunter's fury

[vernal tusk]

I have striker mask, gloves, holster , kneepads.

[meager fog]

Ceska Oblit chest? Memento BP?

[meager fog]

It's fine, Ouro works

[subtle bluff]

That's only a 2nd. Not as a primary

[vernal tusk]

Ok i can try find a ceska i do have sokolov chest, momento and one urban assoult vest

[meager fog]

Sokolov works since you get crit from your SMG anyway.

Use a primary with Killer, Secondary with Unwavering

Remember unwavering is only active when you switch to the weapon, and only active for 5 seconds, you have to keep killing to keep it up

[vernal tusk]

Ok

[meager fog]

Its used more as a spawn lock, just stand in the doorway and mow them down before they can move

SMG9 reloads in like 0.3 seconds while its active

[solemn tendon]

I need help with understanding expertise upgrade. If I upgrade my Coyote mask, is it only applied to this specific mask or is it shared to duplicate coyote mask?

[meager fog]

Only that one

Dont upgrade armour pieces until you've completed literally everything else.

Its a waste of materials since it only applies to the base armour. Having 6 pieces at level 30 expertise gives less than 200k additional armour

[solemn tendon]

I'm planning on just getting it to 10 since it doesn't hurt that much.

level 10 onwards is really tough

Is there a breakdown list of the upgrade materials from 0-30?

[meager fog]

https://i.imgur.com/6posmRX.png

[solemn tendon]

Not that one

[meager fog]

?

[solemn tendon]

like what materials are used for level 11 and onwards

so i can have a planned action if I ever want to upgrade it all the way to 30

[subtle bluff]

Only worry about getting the stuff you actually gonna keep and use.
Exp does not make or break any normal build.

[shy willow]

Just stack exo components

The rest you can buy with watch points anyway

[solemn tendon]

I'm just figuring these stuff out and I am nearing 1000 shd lol

[astral kraken]

one of the best things about this game is you'll be learning new stuff even at 10k shd

[meager fog]

You're still in the tutorial, dont worry about it

[strong cave]

I concur. 17k SHD here and still learning new stuff almost every time I play

Barely across the 1.6k hours threshold

[hexed steppe]

rookie numbers

[solar prairie]

wow you got to 17k that fast for under 1600hrs.

[strong cave]

Yes, control points farming during global events is what got me a huge chunk of my levels. If you can average about 100 a day, you can gain 1000 levels in 10 days. During global events and XP events this can increase that even more. The projects will also reward you heavily during these events, so 5 levels × 4 characters = 20 levels instantly. Plus I'm a PvPer and you get rewarded heavily for playing conflict. DZ not so much

Additionally as well during XP events, DZ landmarks rewards some fairly decent XP. If it's a heroic landmark at 5x XP, it can guarantee you a level almost every time. Or near it. It's all about speed, memorization, and in dz hoping you don't get ganked by a cheater or a full squad out of nowhere

[vernal tusk]

Do we have a assoult rifle with high rpm that support tecnician laser pointer?

[subtle bluff]

m4 and things the look like it

Go to Pinned Messages scroll down there's a build sites you can use

[vernal tusk]

Lexington is good?, kingbreaker has low rpm

I use lexington heartbreaker it should be flatline on it right?

[meager fog]

Lexington is one of the Strongest ARs in the game

[vernal tusk]

Yes cause i used kingbreaker before

[subtle bluff]

Kingbreaker is bad..

[meager fog]

Kingbreaker isn't worth using....might as well throw your shoes at them. You'd probably hit more

[subtle bluff]

Can I guess you picked it because of YouTubers?

[meager fog]

and do more damage

[vernal tusk]

Eh yes and other players in ingame

[subtle bluff]

You do know we have full guides on builds right?

That would save you on time.

[meager fog]

Pretty sure that's something they've been told dozens of times. As well as the dozens of questions they ask over and over again 🙂

[vernal tusk]

Well some of discord players said kingbreaker was good but Very happy with lexington. I have flatline on it

[hazy steeple]

Who are these "discord players"?

[vernal tusk]

Random players i talk on discord general, comunity

[meager fog]

I bet they have YT or TTV in their name somewhere 😛

[vernal tusk]

I forgot

[subtle bluff]

The build hub has a ton of good info that verified and tested.

[cerulean smelt]

btw: you should visit your stash and empty out your mails (> <)

i think isac should play the "you've got mail" everytime you log in (> <)

[meager fog]

I think it should get bigger the longer you ignore it

[subtle bluff]

For the horde!!!

[gentle lichen]

I can't be arsed to open all my conflict caches

I don't think i even claimed any caches past tier 130 on ps

It's gonna be a long day when i open all those at the end of the event

[strong cave]

High rpm? P416 works good, the M4 works good, and I think the CTar can also take LLP. Keyword here is I think the ctar can take it. I've never tried using it with LLP, only with killer/Strained/Optimist/Streamlined in pvp

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't famas take the LLP? thought it did and was one of the many reasons it was one of the main AR's to use?

[obtuse crystal]

im 99% sure it doesnt

[gentle lichen]

nuh uh

famas is short it needs to be tall first

[obtuse crystal]

the best one is lexington tho if you have it and its obtainable rn from the stretch goals if you want to get one

[gentle lichen]

emphasis on "obtainable" it isn't guaranteed like last season

[cerulean smelt]

my lexington sits in the stash mostly

[strong cave]

With the prestige caches, it's basically a coin toss for getting one or not getting one

I've gotten like 6 so far total and only 2 caretakers and maybe 1 harvest. They made Lexington a bit too easy to get

Would've loved to have seen quickstep get added into the pool so I didn't have the pistol of Satan for my 4th character

[obtuse crystal]

honestly it shouldve been

or atleast to the loot goblin next time hes around with event items

[gentle lichen]

there's a little trick for anyone that has the bounty but the quickstep you get from there is minimum stats literally

[wraith zealot]

i mean for quickstep does it really matter what stat it rolled? you only get it out if you wanna go fast after all

[cerulean smelt]

ah, thought it did since it has 4 mod slots. just checked and that does suck but whatever 😹

[strong cave]

You've got a point. Technically best attribute on it would be swap speed but I slapped DTTOC on all of mine

For that "just in case I have my pistol out and I turn a corner and there's an enemy there"

[strong cave]

Might be this December. But personally I would advise everyone here not to hold their breath for it

Giant part of the community wanted Lex and all them to be added to the Goblin loot. Devs wouldn't budge

[meager fog]

Nor should it be

[torn shale]

Im prepping for raids anyone has a decent loadout? im so excited to get this going l0l. cheers!

[shy willow]

If you have a striker build or high end DPS build either will do fine

[astral kraken]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Ir5SAkegswOeXIpnreeiES1pFE-Vw6F2xQnUmf3s-Q/edit?usp=sharing

Hmmm... is that guide busted? The evernote links won't open for me anymore.

n/m it just takes forever to load.

[analog mural]

just get a standard strikers build

preferably with a ceska chest

[gloomy spruce]

I am going to disagree. I think the RNG in this game can be punishingly awful. There are a lot of weapons and items in the game that I think should be able to be acquired after a certain point via quests.

I am glad that last season they made the Lexington and Turmoils guaranteed after reaching certain levels of stretch goals.

I know of certain items in the game that are still content exclusive or restricted to drop in all but the most extreme circumstances. Some of these items are soon to turn 7 years old next year.

[meager fog]

And thats fine, but not in stretch goals.

It ruins the whole thing for everyone else having each cache weighted to them.

Make them guaranteed if we really must (really don't see why because it's not the messiah of all guns) but don't ruin everyone elses stretch goals because some people have FOMO.

[strong cave]

to be fair tho making stuff FOMO just shuts the playerbase off even more. take the last stretch goals as an example

theyve definitely improved the system this time around. those who havent seen a benefit are the unlucky ones. RNGesus blesses us, and sometimes he doesnt

[meager fog]

I have no problem with making things accessible.

But the majority of the playerbase shouldn't suffer for it.

I should have my prestige caches ruined by a coin toss just because a minority of players missed out on an exclusive.

Guarantee it for reaching a certain level, from ALL stretch events. But remove it from the cache loot pool

[strong cave]

yeah i did find it super annoying getting back to back lex's constantly. which couldve been other loot or more valuable loot

[verbal gust]

Sounds like this upcoming veterans reward will be the same. I’ve learned my lesson though haha.

[analog mural]

is breaking point good for a rifle build? what pieces should i use?

[meager fog]

No, too much down time

Hits like a truck, 15% of the time...

[verbal gust]

Those overdogs are meta though.

[meager fog]

Sure are good

[stone python]

I have 11 chill outs, is the mask any good?

[amber crater]

compared to other masks you have 2 mods slots, so gives you more flexibility 🤔

[strong cave]

its not an awful piece for what it is. gives you more room for PFE slots or say resistance mods. if youre weird, you can take crit mods and all that too

[patent fossil]

In most situations it's a direct downgrade from other options as you're trading a second minor stat AND a more useful brand bonus. Only really handy for things you can only get from mods like pfe or specific hazpro (but even then there's usually a better option)

[stone python]

Hmm interesting build

[gentle lichen]

Mid

[subtle bluff]

AR and Rifle. Wasting stats.

[strong cave]

You'd get more out of full speccing into rifles. I run a near identical build

[stone python]

I saw some melting mobs on Heroic with the Exotic rifle "merciless" anyone knows the best build for it?

[hazy steeple]

Heroic is sort of the "default" difficulty, once you reach a certain point in div2.
So don't worry too much about needing a specific build for it, you'll be able to handle it with most setups once you learn its tricks.

[silent storm]

And build complete. Pretty powerful right out of the gate. Now what's next?

[hexed steppe]

i think @cerulean smelt been using merciless lately and may have a good build iirc.

[hexed steppe]

replace the striker with nego as next

[cerulean smelt]

me and good builds don't mix :p

[hexed steppe]

itll be direct swap with same chest/glove

[silent storm]

Guess I'll have to run more Countdown

[hexed steppe]

itll be worth, trust. its frontloaded with damage and doesnt need to stack

[cerulean smelt]

mine's basically 4 nego, turmoil and probably sacrifice or a ceska or grupo with glass cannon

[hexed steppe]

as an example if i crit for say 1mil and i have 3 marks, that 1mil crit is generating ~3.2mil in damage across the targets. crit the low ranks and overdogs amp damage will apply to the marks regardless of them being higher ranked 😎

negodogs is stupid strong atm

[meager fog]

Especially since it hits the marked targets for more damage than the one you're actually shooting at lol

[cerulean smelt]

imagine nego with blacklisters 😜

[hexed steppe]

only 20% right?

im just gonna let my dogs keep barking 🐕

[meager fog]

20% to everything but one target though, could be worth a look

[hexed steppe]

30% all targets if you prio properly

[cerulean smelt]

the transferred crits are amped it seems

[hexed steppe]

i still need to do the manhunt anyways

[meager fog]

They are, it transfer the amp to all marked target because it's based off the damage of the crit hit.

[cerulean smelt]

that's including the one marked for black listers

[hazy steeple]

20% of the time, it works *everytime. *

[meager fog]

"That doesn't make sense"

I was really weirded out when I realised that was Paul Rudd lmao

[strong cave]

Not to be Captain obvious here but I think local means it only works up to 20% overdogs gives up to 30%

[hazy steeple]

You need to watch anchorman.
It's like half of all internet memes.
but yeah, buildsbuilds.

[silent storm]

We still using Killer on the Lexington with Nego?

Or some other talent?

[meager fog]

Bluescreen LMG

[silent storm]

No LMG

Tired of LMG

So this is the build correct?

[meager fog]

Yes, it works with ARs if you want to use them, but it's far better with Bluescreen

[subtle bluff]

Tried of LMG, but still uses them.

[silent storm]

Seemed to do good with Bluescreen

[meager fog]

It does very well with Bluescreen, that's why that build is in the Build hub

Even better if you use EMP sticky bomb so you can proc bluescreen CC whenever you want

[silent storm]

I mean killing people does the same thing

[meager fog]

It does, but the EMP sticky can be fired into the middle to proc it constantly

It can also be instantly fired by double tapping in ana emergency CC need

[strong cave]

I'm trying to recap all my control points again so I can go back to using the AKM. I can't wait until the new holster drops so I can use it with the AKM and Striker

Getting a bit tired using LMGs and the same old ARs

[grand girder]

can anyone give me some advice on my build?

[broken edge]

any reason to be using 6 pieces of the same brand?

[grand girder]

swag ofc

[astral kraken]

well its missing nbb for one

[grand girder]

bummer I dont have that piece, does the provocator work?

[onyx sage]

rugged gauntlets is preferred

[grand girder]

ahh those I do have

[subtle bluff]

Someone spent time passively did this.

[strong cave]

Yeah dude, you're missing 30 expertise

The build won't work without every single piece being 30

[wraith zealot]

mad max pointing up "that's bait"

[mental tangle]

🤣 I love it when someone trolls people

[analog mural]

what gear set/high end pieces should i use with ravenous?

[magic pilot]

RUGGED GAUNTLETS?!

[onyx sage]

best gloves ever

[magic pilot]

@vestal ibex what the hell are those?

[honest moss]

58.5% CHC fine for negoscreen or do i really need the 1.5%?

[analog mural]

seems ok if u want to quickly farm priority objectives for caches tho

@honest moss yes 1.5% with nego is a big deal for a crit focused gearset imo lol

55% chc on a build that does not have cdmg talents like strikers would be ok

[magic pilot]

I'd go to 60

[hexed steppe]

its fine

chances are optimizing will hit 60

[analog mural]

guys what kind of build should i make with rav

[hexed steppe]

go nego

[analog mural]

rav nego? 🤨

[magic pilot]

Nego, umbra and tipping scales I always go to 60%

[hexed steppe]

nego works with everything. its front loaded damage, no stacking needed

[honest moss]

It came maxed chc when i recal'd it, was just unsure how important that 60% was on a pure crit based set.

Thanks everyone for the help

[analog mural]

uhhhh share the quick time clear with everyone? coz their priority objective is not dua 24/7?

[hexed steppe]

not discussing exploits/glitches... self censor so i dont have too

[vestal ibex]

"maniacal laughing ensues"

[analog mural]

is it completely against the rules to mention them at all tho if its like idk alr well-known but just dont explain how to do it?

[hexed steppe]

Rule 6 - No Posting/Discussion of Leaked, Data-Mined, or Exploit-Related Info.
We have zero-tolerance policy on posting/discussing leaked and/or data-mined information, video game piracy, cheats, emulators, exploits, or anything that can break the Terms of Service of ANY game. Discussions promoting, sharing, or encouraging the use of exploits or similar practices are strictly prohibited.

If you're unsure whether the content you are posting or discussing could be considered an exploit, do not post it.

[hexed steppe]

its not a request. learn to pick your fights i think

so kindly refrain

[analog mural]

no i mean the guy essentially said "how is it fun if people are quickly wiping the floor on leg"

but alr ill stop

[hexed steppe]

well, he self censored also... soo, yeah

carry on

[analog mural]

anyways, should i make a high end build for rav or just use neg

[hexed steppe]

both would perform similar i think

[magic pilot]

It's sad to see how easy the game has become one, at one point point legendary in a group under 30 minutes - an hour was insane. Now people run solo under 6 minutes, and that's without modifiers usually

[analog mural]

how do u use its talents effectivelt tho? like how does the defensive primer work on armor plates? ik chungas do have armor plates but what about robot dogs?

[hexed steppe]

i used highend a long time before swapping to nego and it was a similar feel

[magic pilot]

A lot of the challenge is gone

[hexed steppe]

specific rav info will need someone else to hop in for advice

[analog mural]

i mean i just returned... coz tinkerer caught my eye lol

ive yet to get a rav so i hopped on another ih raid last night and got one

but yes it feels crazy people are wiping the floor on dua in about 13m

before it took me generally like 50m

[static ermine]

yea sorry, I forgot about the guidelines.

[magic pilot]

Master is pretty hard though solo

[analog mural]

capitol hill too i didnt realize how short the map actually is when people are ALSO wiping the floor with conventional dps builds

[hexed steppe]

no worries

[analog mural]

then we have roosevelt and zoo which are absurdly long maps and i dread everytime i get a priority objective on them

[magic pilot]

I had a ok Capitol time, but I wiped on the boss a few times.

[analog mural]

btw guys, are active and passive modifiers permanent or next season they will be changed to a new pool of modifiers?

[magic pilot]

My first ever clear solo on it was 32 minutes

[magic pilot]

They change

[analog mural]

@hexed steppe if im using nego for rav then what chest talent should i be running?

[magic pilot]

Obliterate or glass cannon

Maybe intimidate

[analog mural]

obliterate even on a rifle build?

is breaking point good to use with ravenous tho

[subtle bluff]

Without modifiers

[astral kraken]

today i've been running zoo with mods turned off (matchmaking but i lead to ensure they stay off). and it's still hard. mods have definitely lowered the skill ceiling by a lot. it's very sad tbh.

[hexed steppe]

glass

[astral kraken]

power creep too but not as much. with mods off tidal and zoo still feel tough in random matchmaking. with optimal groups though it's a cake walk like you said.

i'm a little worried about it b/c if we don't have op mods then people might not play. or complain en masse until we have op mods again.

[analog mural]

are high end ARs generally better than exotic ARs like EB or elmo?

[solar sable]

the thing is, exotics will not always be BiS for every build

[analog mural]

what about strikers then? high end ARs would offer more dps right

[solar sable]

good ARs with good talents will perform differently than an exotic, idk if it'll be better or not, but they're two different options

a good example can be the ouroboros love a while ago, it was loved by a lot of players because of its absurd RPM but hated for its useless talent

I'll let @subtle bluff or anyone with greater knowledge than mine answer the right way

[astral kraken]

@analog mural ^

It's situational basically. Use the good ARs and see what works for you.

[subtle bluff]

There no general better here.

Outright burst DPS yes HE weapons can go higher due to damage talents.
Elmo is on top of mag dmg and high sustain because big mag. This basically allows us to kill multiple ads within one mag.

EB isn't special at all in DPS.

[astral kraken]

There are even weirdos who use Iron Lung instead of an AR!

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung.

[solar sable]

what about nbb do you like it?

lmaoooo

[astral kraken]

on late rainy saturday nights chow gets tipsy on wine and runs nbb

in the dark

[subtle bluff]

How I think of when or why you would use exo weapons is mostly for talents that allows me to keep dps or keepus safe so we can get a break to do so.

[wraith zealot]

cmon, game still challenging especially in legendary. Solo under 6 is glitching (im assuming its DUA?) so we dont count that. Dont let glitches and busted season modifier change your perspective on things.

[astral kraken]

i had an 11 min run with inexperienced players and it was due to mods

they really do trivialize a bunch of content tbh

[wraith zealot]

which is why we keep seeing brazen people running some wack build and still getting by ¯_(ツ)_/¯

gotta see what's gonna happen next season.

[scenic whale]

In my defense that thing handles like a dream and has free CC

Damage ain’t too bad either

[astral kraken]

haha I was kidding. It's top tier.

[scenic whale]

That thing and Pesti are my gotos for LMg, ARs I don’t know how good it is but I like big horn

[subtle bluff]

Elmo is that Iron Lung isn't bad at all.

[meager fog]

As with every season this channel will be full of "got this build from youtube but I cant hit the damage they were doing, why doesnt it work?"

For a few weeks after the modifiers dissapear.
Part of the reason you still see some blue strikers around too

[subtle bluff]

My all my videos have no modifiers in it. Same with all of our guides

[meager fog]

That never stops the youtubers from their "OMG God mode ultra mega DPS" videos

[subtle bluff]

God do I know that..

[wraith zealot]

"immortal build WITH tons of damage" 400k hit per bullet type sh

[strong cave]

@subtle bluff What's funny is in one of my most recent videos, I actually put the title as "try this META Umbra Tinkerer build (not clickbait)!". The typical YTer thing. Both half as a joke and half as being serious because I'm seeing more people take my version of the already broken umbra builds in PvP

(compared to the ninjabike version)

[shy willow]

You should've seen the state of the game when rogue momentum was out

[strong cave]

The difference between other YTers builds VS mine are that they actually perform and are not cannon fodder just to get you to click

[grand girder]

that one was a fun one

[shy willow]

Very busted but at least you had to play fast and aggressively to make it work

[astral kraken]

The danger of giving people that much power is they'll be upset when you take it away.

[analog mural]

mfw people can clear DUA in 13m compared to the 50m before

[vernal tusk]

Do you or anyone know how to build stack on a chatterbox to keep rate of fire, damage boost. 🙂

[hexed steppe]

Reloading within range of npcs is what procs the talent. It'll stay that firerate until you reload. Upon reload ,you are proccing the talent with the current conditions.
Best way to keep stack is proccing on kill refill and not reloading

[vernal tusk]

Ok so reload near npc:). + keep killing enemies i try - if i get p90 what talent should i put on it i got striker build with obliterate, momento.

[hexed steppe]

You can test it in the range with the targets on the far left. Each npc is 20% increase, up to 5.

Generally killer and measured are the goto talents.
Strained is also ok

[vernal tusk]

Not dps station , range station?

[hexed steppe]

They are all the way on the left as you walk in. Grouped targets. Maybe aoe or ttk targets, cant remember what they're called

[hazy steeple]

We used to refer to that area as the "grenade bit".

It's the targets closest to Viper's dad.

[vernal tusk]

Ok

[tropic burrow]

Hi any specific build optimal for the new master mission?

[astral kraken]

Lots of options. Everything from all red to crit PFE blue. You just have to play it differently depending on your build choice.

If you're in a group just go all red. If the team is struggling during the boss room a crit PFE blue build does fine.

If your group is all tanks or turret/drone builds then playing red is pretty hard because the pacing is very different between you and your teammates. For that situation you can run a striker memento and you'll have no problem collecting trophies.

[tropic burrow]

Are they mostly elites on master? Cus it was a mix on hard of reds and purples

Thanks

[strong cave]

I personally would recommend this setup for the newest master mission:

[astral kraken]

It's mostly elites yes. That seems to be the trend with master missions. There are a few things you need to deal with that'll do a lot of damage and aren't elite (like certain skills). If you go PFE you'll just have to deal with that.

[strong cave]

you can go all red if your group is good enough as well. I abused the bluescreen proc with sticky by shooting the sticky in the air. doing so causes bluescreen to proc and you get your sticky back in 3 seconds. this is especially helpful during the coptor parts. allows you to keep it constantly EMP'd

[astral kraken]

Eh, if you can do it with 2 blue cores you can do with all red cores. That ~300k armor isn't going to stand up to much. Only worth if you have a shield IMO.

[strong cave]

for me when I played, i did public matchmaking and fully solo. in matchmaking groups, those 2 blues saved me countless times since I was outputting the most damage in my groups (highest damage = enemies target you). there was 1 group I went full red but we had somebody doing PFE tanking just for aggro

[coral reef]

Morning agents, I have a TON of materials, enough to raise a couple of SKILLS up to 30 expertise. What is the absolute best investment for this? I can do a new build around this if needed

[strong cave]

we would need to know the skills youre thinking of expertising

right off the bat I can tell you the top 3 skills worth expertising is achilles, stinger hive, and healer chem

defender drone is another must for expertise as well

[coral reef]

That’s the question: which skills benefit the most from reaching expertise level 30, if any?

[strong cave]

EMP sticky benefits massively

it increases the blast radius by a metric fk load

[astral kraken]

If it were me I'd do decoy and crusader shield. EMP sticky is another good one.

[strong cave]

decoy is a good one too. crusader I think increases the active regen?

[tropic burrow]

Thanks got you ill just play safe with pfe then

[strong cave]

i know decoy boosts the threat level

[astral kraken]

Yea and it's % based

[strong cave]

if theres anything I know about regen, the higher the % the better the regen (example, 6% armor regen)

[astral kraken]

Just make sure your attributes are crit. If you go in with PFE and blue attributes (regen, explo resist, etc) then you'll be dead weight on the team unless everyone dies and you need to revive.

[strong cave]

i meannnnnnnnn not unless you run the car shield build lol

i did that a few times and it did help the team with aggro. but its basically the same as running PFE with crits/scorpio

[tropic burrow]

Ive got a harisburg bag with critd and adrelankn, uzina chest intimidate and gila mask. Yeah 100 % all crits fkr sure

[strong cave]

uzina is worth keeping, that habsburg is useless bc its not good to mix up crits and headshots. best to go with 1 or the other

[astral kraken]

Rav is great for killing the doggos

You definitely need a good source of regen too

[strong cave]

how much does that build you posted have? im honestly curious

[coral reef]

im taking notes here agents, thank you

[astral kraken]

75%

[strong cave]

oops shoulda clarified, REGEN lol

75% PFE is damn good

[astral kraken]

Oh the other thing you can try... change your specialization to gunner. And use the Advanced Material modifier. When you activate it the minigun is insanely strong and you can contribute a lot to DPS that way.

You will lose some PFE but it's worth it IMO.

[coral reef]

question: if i'm playing with a full red build (legmo pestilence, striker, bluescreen nego dilemma...) would you expertise to 30 the striker drone or the decoy? full red builds.

[astral kraken]

(especially against the copters)

[strong cave]

decoy

striker drone expertise increases what, duration? damage? cant remember. im not a fan of the striker drone skill

[astral kraken]

Yea decoy for sure. Striker drone (and turret) are really bad at doing damage.

[coral reef]

but if decoy only raises threat level... does that mean that it gets destroyed way faster?

[coral reef]

striker drone its only used for distracting

[astral kraken]

Decoy and turret do a better job at that

[strong cave]

if a decoy doesnt gain enemy attention, its not doing its job

[coral reef]

remember: full red build

[strong cave]

they're gonna shoot a decoy regardless. its gonna get destroyed regardless. youre better off having ALL targets shoot at the decoy so you can make a sneaky move VS 1 enemy shoots it and the rest target you

[astral kraken]

4% regen. Also adrush is basically a regen if you think about it.

[strong cave]

it is in a way because it refreshes your bonus armor and youre taking damage only on the bonus armor bit until you hit the actual armor part. this allows you to regen your main armor back up while enemies have to work their way thru bonus first

[astral kraken]

I mean you also don't need to go all in on 30 expertise for 2 skills, right? You can do 4 skills to 15.

[astral kraken]

Yea and there's such a massive horde of enemies it's almost always proc'd lol

[strong cave]

the only skills I personally would expertise is healing hive, healing chem, defender drone, achilles pulse (and scanner but im a PVPer), and decoy

the shield is a good one as well and the stinger hive. theres more but im too lazy to look

[astral kraken]

ALSO, and this is big, if you're playing that type of build don't get tunnel vision with one enemy. Your damage output is going to be bad so you can spend like 5 mags on one enemy. So pick targets that are the highest threat to help your team. For example you don't need to waste time killing that LMG guy. Just blow up his weak point and he'll switch to a pistol making him very low threat. Focus on enemy weak points and if you see a teammate in trouble try to pull some aggro off of them.

It's possible to be an effective tanky boi but also possible to make your teammate's life a nightmare.

Use your grenades on stuff. Use your crossbow.

[strong cave]

my answer to that: bluescreen

[astral kraken]

ofc 🙂

[onyx sage]

just use armor guys, you won't die in 2 shootz

[strong cave]

nah youll spontaneously die like that other guy with fenris striker memento

[coral reef]

Again, the question is: what skill is worth to level up to 30 expertise, for use with full red builds. I'm alergic to blues and yellows sorry

[solar sable]

but two and a half

[coral reef]

now I know the most sensible choice is the Decoy drone, but i'm a rebel and will end up leveling the trusty striker drone anyway

i only use the Decoy when getting carried in Legendary by @onyx sage to feel like im actually helping

[trim terrace]

what a good build to run for sub level 100 shd ?

[gentle lichen]

a high end striker should be fine

[onyx sage]

any build you would run otherwise

striker is a staple which you can just make now

[gentle lichen]

i ran this when i was a youngin

you can make this at single digit shd even you just need to farm in cd and follow the team

[strong cave]

so whats your PC level now?

[trim terrace]

thank you having to restart again on pc 😭

[gentle lichen]

like 1240

[gentle lichen]

that pic is when i started on pc too LMAO

[trim terrace]

lmao heck yeah i just switched from ps not even a week ago

[strong cave]

💯 hell yeah

[gentle lichen]

twins??

[lament reef]

achilles pulse is pretty good with mastery

[magic pilot]

Me and NB were on ps too

[strong cave]

do you happen to have the formula for how all damage is calculated in div 2? like TWD, amp, etc

im theory testing sys corr rn in #ask-td2-community and could use some smart individuals help 🙏

[gentle lichen]

Base Bullet damage x WD x TWD x (CHD+HSD) x DTOOC x (DTA or DTH) x Amp 1 x amp 2 etc

since it has been established that sys cor is an amp it should be one instead of twd

[strong cave]

im currently trying to prove if this is true. bc if it is, sys's talent is dead wrong

[gentle lichen]

i can try i have the pieces

[strong cave]

ive got them as well. im doing a comparison between Sys and OD (weird but trust me)

[gentle lichen]

i have known that od rounds actually proc on turret and drone

[strong cave]

if I can get both builds set up to have identical stats, while both proccing the 50%, this will reveal that sys is amplified and not TWD

[gentle lichen]

i just tried burster and yes it is an amp

[strong cave]

im currently working with this, 0 damage talents, what youd usually find in PVP. i plan on rolling my OD stuff to the exact same, except no damage talent on backpack. same cores, same guns, same stats

[strong cave]

how much tho is the question?

thats what I wanna calculate

[magic pilot]

Probably 20

[dreamy dawn]

are you still able to get the birdie backpack? i want to make a healer build around it?

[strong cave]

yes. clear the manhunt mission tied to it on Mastery and itll drop. if you need dupes, run seperate characters

[dreamy dawn]

i just loaded it up, master difficulty doesnt seem available anymore but ill keep trying on heroic ^^

[strong cave]

you have to play the manhunt mission once thru on any difficulty to unlock master

[dreamy dawn]

ah ok, ty

[magic pilot]

Unless you play in a group

I haven't done any manhunt missions under master

[strong cave]

odd. I tried to drag one of my friends thru it and it said that he didnt meet the requirements to play (which was play it once so it unlocks)

[magic pilot]

You still have the do the required scouts

[strong cave]

ye he did em they just wouldnt let him play master

[pliant pelican]

so i'm looking at bluescreen / coyote mask 4p dilemma. do be curious. can i switch out the cheska for my perfect glass cannon?

[solar sable]

AveragePlayer and the boys carried me through every Master without me needing any requirements than just scouts for the last one

[strong cave]

must be they changed it or something

[solar sable]

only had to do scouts 4, 7 and 10 IIRC

[strong cave]

odd. I personally had to run thru it on any difficulty for it to unlock and thats after I did the scouts

[pliant pelican]

looking at this. thinking if i could use my perfect glass cannon instead.

[strong cave]

perfect glass is acceptable. swap to overdogs tho. coyote is pointless since ODogs do more work than coyote

[pliant pelican]

aighty. so imma follow this spreedsheet & replace two items.

[limpid ocean]

What lmg attribute do I need for tipping scales

[magic pilot]

Oh my bad I replied to the wrong person!

[magic pilot]

Weird

[kindred mango]

Chc because you want it capped out

[meager fog]

Due to the CHD stacking RoF is actually a better choice since you can stack plenty of CHC on Gear

[kindred mango]

Not for me thanks 😎

If I want ROF I’ll run Strikers

I’m too exo comp poor to have both tbh

[cerulean smelt]

you'll hate next season then (> <)

[lament reef]

actually next season will be awesome

the perfect obliterate chest 1pc gives 5% rof

[cerulean smelt]

didn't see the named holster?

[lament reef]

that too

[cerulean smelt]

well, if you're an AR stiker user, both the chest and holster should boost your damage signifcantly

[lament reef]

total of 13% rof on a single piece is crazy work

[strong cave]

boost damage sure, at the severe cost of crits

[magic pilot]

Eh glass is still better than the named chest

New holster is only bis for chest striker

[onyx sage]

be solo, set the mission to master, invite

or you have to be session owner

[vernal tusk]

Its not possible to get dark winter drop from countdown i dont remember, all i know i get purist which is named ...

[onyx sage]

it's dz or named cache exclusive

[silent storm]

So Tipping Scales, Refactor, Striker and Negotiator's Dilemma is complete. What is the next good build to make?

[subtle bluff]

Build Hub

[silent storm]

Looking at Heartbreaker now

Says it's the second highest DPS behind Striker. Is that red core or with the blue cores?

[subtle bluff]

Idk when that was last updated.

[silent storm]

Yeah because I think Tipping Scales is the second highest DPS now

[subtle bluff]

Yup

Pretty sure it’d old but not too much as changed. I need to update that guide too.

[silent storm]

I've been searching forever for a CHC CHD Anarchist Cookbook

[meager fog]

Technically, Nego is highest DPS because damage split.

Strikers second, Tipping scales

[silent storm]

There's no way Nego beats 200 stack Striker

[subtle bluff]

Wanna see my clip of DUA leggo first section?

[meager fog]

It absolutely does

[subtle bluff]

Again hehe.