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[gentle lichen]

Or better yet a high-end cap with 2 brazos and 2 of that brand for 80 round cap

[wispy hollow]

Lengmo 1pc and 2pc bonus is a**

[meager fog]

Without the horrible grind for perfect red rolls on a blue core

[rich cosmos]

Whats the backpack talent of measured assembly? Isnt it the grenade cooldown

[gentle lichen]

From 10 sec To 1 sec
It's bis if that's your priority

[wispy hollow]

Still not as bad as Lengmo Unicorn chest

[gentle lichen]

Talk about a 10x value talent

[rich cosmos]

Im brainstorming measured with the new chest exotic, whats the repair on safeguard? 120%?

[gentle lichen]

90%?

130% actually

I don't remember it getting a buff

[pastel crane]

Remind me, what does the new chest exotic do? Is it one of those rotating DPS talents?

[rich cosmos]

teammates and you gain buffs for each teammate within 10 meters of you

[gentle lichen]

Each?

[rich cosmos]

Just now realizing it doesn’t specify hmm

[gentle lichen]

Actually it looks busted if all 4 of you use it and stick together
I really don't want them to be lame and make it like coyote's

[pastel crane]

It says only one group of the buffs that are the highest can be active

[rich cosmos]

It’s referring to the not having teammates near part

Surely its each player right, that would be really shit if it wasn’t

[gentle lichen]

Besides that can 1 ally stick to you so the other 2 can roam freely with the buff or is it kinda like a buff-radius around the chest player only

[wispy hollow]

So if 4 people are wearing this and are together, do each of the 4 get 4 times the bonus (80% CHD, 40% skill efficiency, 4% armor regen) or will it be group based ?

[rich cosmos]

If its really just one ally max that needs a buff immediately because those percentages are way too low

[meager fog]

Just so you're all aware, the "allies" part also applies to the companions. T hey count as an ally

[rich cosmos]

Limited time build crafting booooo

[gentle lichen]

They're trying to make it into a mini memento but i can't see much use especially when it takes up a chest slot it needs a HEAVY carry from its talent to justify that

[meager fog]

Every season has limited time build crafting

This will be the first season I don't play, imo it looks crap.

[winged prism]

the way this is phrased, would it apply the buff to all allies regardless of how many are in the 10m radius of the wearer? so if im using it in a 4stack and i have one person next to me would all allies get it

[rich cosmos]

If its each its fine as is

If its a max of one player it needs its stats massively boosted like 25%skill efficiency and 2% armor regen, MAAAYBE 30% crit damage

[cerulean smelt]

the gearset?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i'm treating it like a coyote buff though tbh cause not many things stack in this game unfortunately

[rich cosmos]

The exotic chest

[gentle lichen]

I'm definitely downloading the pts this friday and seeing how it goes

[rich cosmos]

Yeah requiring someone to be 10 meters from you to apply the buff makes these stats just not worth it, if it stacked absolutely but since it seems like it doesn’t this is just ass

That really killed my excitement 😔

Ah yes 1% armor regen, Im so helpful to my team

[pastel crane]

Sounds good to me.

[gentle lichen]

It's so funny cause in our end-game you barely run blue cores so a t0 heal chem can do way more than that conditional 1% regen would LMAO

But hey think about the skill eff though and uhhhhh crit damage

[rich cosmos]

Honestly the best buff they could do is just make the talent stack up to 3x

That way you actually encourage your team to stay next to you

[gentle lichen]

Though it's definitely a double edged sword if it can stack for each player and each player runs their own instance of the chest

Try to imagine a venn diagram grouping four circles together and each time they intersect with one another they add together their values

[rich cosmos]

I just assume it would be a team wide thing, like does future in stack?

I didn’t think future stacked

[gentle lichen]

Nope neither does coyote which is why i think they'll keep it as is to avoid headache
I mean they literally did this to the kneepads for pvp and called it a day

[winged prism]

sleeper pick 🔥

[rich cosmos]

Yeah anyways please massive let the new chest exotic stack its buff

Give measured assembly this one single win

[tulip charm]

I dont think the chest stacks all that bonuses

Would be cool

[silent storm]

They disable the knees already?

I mean good if they did because they were beyond broken lol

[rich cosmos]

Those are pvp stats

[foggy imp]

Are these new exotic knee pads actually good? Lol

[cerulean smelt]

ok, i think knees are busted

[subtle bluff]

there currently bugged

[rich cosmos]

No but they are bugged

[foggy imp]

Bugged like you’re dealing more damage to enemies than intended ?

[onyx sage]

yes, a lot more

[cerulean smelt]

like turmoil was when it first released right?

[rich cosmos]

The 600% is applying to the player

[onyx sage]

nah they're not even on the same tier

[cerulean smelt]

so it's a wait until they fix it to give it a shot at any build atm?

[verbal gust]

Put knee pads on went into combat received 1.06 billion damage spawn into safe house took them off immediately . lol

[onyx sage]

no, they're incredibly busted, the 20% buff keeps on stacking

[cerulean smelt]

ddin't turmoil used to double dip damage when it first released?
are these knees doing the same thing or something differnt?

[onyx sage]

the 600% damage taken is intended but the buff is uncapped

[cerulean smelt]

WHAT?!?! lol

[onyx sage]

turmoil double dipping isn't that bad, this is on a whole other level

[verbal gust]

Should have took a picture I think it was like in the negative it was funny.

[verbal gust]

Yeah? Pesti build ?

[onyx sage]

i think the buff applies to all damage so you can use it on that

[verbal gust]

Ima dust em off then

[cerulean smelt]

in other news if they weren't bugged. the ND transfer does amped damaged

[verbal gust]

Sounds insane.

[cerulean smelt]

lol with sacrifice

[astral kraken]

every marked kill adds another 20% amp until you hit damage cap

very insanely bugged

[hexed steppe]

skill efficiency includes skill repair

[rich cosmos]

If the talent doesn’t stack thats only 10% repair

Plus 30% repair if it does stack isn’t really enough

[cerulean smelt]

Oooohhh, thought we can only mark 1 lol

[subtle bluff]

buuggg

[astral kraken]

You can only mark 1. But after you kill the marked enemy you can mark another.

[hexed steppe]

im guessing we dont know if it stacks yet? either way it is included already. maybe asking for boosted efficiency instead when its feedback time

[cerulean smelt]

Local you try it in mortar set up yet?

[wispy hollow]

Once you kill the marked enemy, you are supposed to lose the weapon damage buff. But the bug is that you keep it indefinitely until you log out

[hexed steppe]

i havent even logged today

[rich cosmos]

If it stacks Im perfectly fine with it, if its doesnt then its gonna be hot garbage

[cerulean smelt]

So extremely amped motars local!

[hexed steppe]

fr

[rich cosmos]

I reaaaaallly badly want to make a build with it and measured assembly

Im obsessing over this exotic

[cerulean smelt]

Mark a target, kill with mortar rinse and repeat what do you think?

[hexed steppe]

hopefully it can make ma more beneficial. i wasnt too stoked on that set after i made a couple variants

[viral remnant]

The rifle ?

[viral remnant]

Oh the chest piece lol I'm Hella exited for that and the rifle

[rich cosmos]

If it stacks it actually provides a massive reason to stay next to a ma player

[hexed steppe]

yeah, could make it a lot more viable

[rich cosmos]

Even if it doesn’t stack they HAVE to buff those stats because good lord its not worth it

If it stacks then it encourages teamplay

My current plan is ma, new exotic, repair skills brand bp with safeguard

[hexed steppe]

i feel like it might stack, otherwise the wording doesnt make a lot of sense. 'only highest group of buffs can be active at one time'

[rich cosmos]

The stats don’t make any sense if it doesn’t stack

[hexed steppe]

players will always be the higher buff if it doesnt stack

[rich cosmos]

Like msv makes questionable balance decisions but they seriously can’t think 1% armor regen max is good right

[hexed steppe]

imagine it stacking and you have multiple beacons in the group

[rich cosmos]

I imagine the exotic doesn’t stack past 3x

But still making it stack would be absolutely perfect

Ma needs this W

I think its really funny how they made this season themed around teamplay and all three of the teamplay items are potentially ass

Rifle ass by extension of anyone who can hit heads consistently just isn’t gonna be using it

[silent storm]

With max Tipping Scales stacks Merciless his for like 15 million on the explosion.

[cerulean smelt]

good to know, i just wanted to see if you mark with knees, then go to another target unmarked if that damage would transfer amped

[silent storm]

No it's the 20% that is applying, but it is stacking and there isn't a limit it seems.

[rich cosmos]

I figured it out I was just confused due to past statements

[winged prism]

idk ive run headshot builds since i started playing and i can definitely see myself using it in an FI healer build instead of scorpio (not that itd actually be important)

definitely wont be commonly used though youre right

[rich cosmos]

Again the issue isn’t really the talent its the fact that a lot of people, ESPECIALLY console just won’t be able to utilize it

Its gonna be underused simply because of that barrier of skill on a support weapon of all things

[winged prism]

yeah having it be on hit and adjusting the buffs accordingly would be alot better

[rich cosmos]

Not even just add crit on top of the headshots so people with good aim have even higher potential

[limpid ocean]

Is tinkerer ever better than coyote for dps gear sets?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

Tinkerer is only meta for one build OD.

[limpid ocean]

Lmg or ar for OD?

[subtle bluff]

Both work. LMG is better in the end.

[cerulean smelt]

lol, i can't help myself
keep wondering if a NBB with 3 gearset plus the 2 next seasons brandset named chest included would work well

[subtle bluff]

🤢

[dense plover]

Tipping Scales with the next seasons Holster for that sweet extra 13% RoF

[cerulean smelt]

3 tipping, NBB, named chest named holster and have your 50% magazine size

come on chow you know you wanna, 3 tipping or 3 strikers NBB named chest and holster for even more rate of fire and magazine size 😹

[dense plover]

Tippings scales without the backpack ...

Losing a lot of damage there

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't say anything about "damage" just said more rate of fire and bigger magazine

[rich cosmos]

Tbf both those things are inherently tied to damage

[dense plover]

Just go bullet king, no need for magazine size

[rich cosmos]

Just go bluescreen and have a one second reload

[cerulean smelt]

i'd be curious if i can get 500 mag on an lmg with that new brandset 🤔

i was already figuring people would be using that in a strike build with elmo since it has a big magazine size anyways

[rich cosmos]

Not big enough for tipping scales

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i'm currently 325 with gunner 50 mag with tipping scales

[dense plover]

Stoner ?

[cerulean smelt]

why's magazine size always a 3rd pc bonus?

[dense plover]

Tbh I'd be interested to see what how the Pakhan would do with your suggested setup

30% + 50% + (75%x4) on a base size of 78

[cerulean smelt]

3 arcabuz, 3 of that alloy 100% magazine size 😹

that'd be amusing too 🤔

[dense plover]

Pakhan with nearly 300 rounds

[cerulean smelt]

i keep forgetting about Pakhan honestly

[dense plover]

That's assuming all the buffs are additive not multiplicative

[cerulean smelt]

i'll for sure try all kinds of weapons with it in general

🤔 chameleon!? might be able to 1 mag all 3 buffs if you're good maybe?

[dense plover]

Think chatter box using strikers with your setup tho

13% RoF on that? you'll want the extra mag size for sure

[cerulean smelt]

chatterbox Hunter's fury?

camping doors you will be nodding off at some point

[dense plover]

Run things with a friend with the new chest exotic

[cerulean smelt]

i'll definitely have to see how the ouro fares with that 13% rof though

[dense plover]

20% extra crit damage for free? Yes please

[cerulean smelt]

might not register a lot of shots i'm thinking

[shy willow]

new chest looks dead on arrival if you ask me

[cerulean smelt]

even if we go the firewall shield?

imagine that rifle heals shield

[dense plover]

I can see it (the new exotic chest) being used for group content like raids, incursions and legendary missions for groups of people that either can't solo them or prefer doing content with groups/friends

[shy willow]

bonuses look neat but not worth trading your chest talent or exotic slot for

even in group comps where you need as much support as possible i dont see it beating out things like fi chest, vanguard, overwatch etc

[dense plover]

With the group I play with we try getting low SHD players using Coyote's as a stopgap to help bring up their stats. The new chest will basically do the same.

[cerulean smelt]

think the old noob striker build was coyotes with Chameleon

[subtle bluff]

HF is better now 😄

[shy willow]

i think HF was the first thing i ever put together

very fun set

[dense plover]

if you have 4 players with 1k+ SHD I don't see it being used, but I can see it being used to boost them and others until they reach that point in group content

[cerulean smelt]

So when will see you and average run legendary with that healing rifle exotic?

[subtle bluff]

lol

it's hope but it's hard to one shot it is the reason I don't do it

[cerulean smelt]

I meant you 2 duo it. One of you healing

might be a good thing for Average if people "teach me your ways master Average" he just uses the rifle showing them the route he takes and shoots them every once in a blue moon to fill up their armor 😹

[dense plover]

"Let me shoot this chunga in the face 8 times so I can heal you"

[rich cosmos]

New topic, whats actually the point of this new gearset

[rich cosmos]

Like why would you ever use it over striker

[dense plover]

Faster Daka, More Daka

I like the concept of the healing weapon but the "every shot is a headshot" buff lasting only 8 seconds after healing? that needs to be a little longer maybe 15s?

[cerulean smelt]

at first i was like yeah what's the point but if it's every 10 seconds you lose 1 stack. shouldn't be too bad no?

[limpid ocean]

Made specifically for lmgs

[rich cosmos]

It being headshots at all basically cuts off the majority of players that would even want to use it

[rich cosmos]

Tipping scales is lmg strikers already

[limpid ocean]

Switching dmg for crit dmg and more fire rate right?

[cerulean smelt]

chest is marking 5 enemies btw

[limpid ocean]

Oh

[dense plover]

Getting the initial headshots will be a pain but once you heal someone you basically have the Determined buff for 8s. I feel like that's too short

[limpid ocean]

Not what I thought you were talking about

[rich cosmos]

So automatic dont use on that

[astral kraken]

My guess is they're just experimenting with different ideas. The idea here seems to be teamwork. People grouped up with comms call targets and all focus the same ones.

It'll probably work with companions too.

[rich cosmos]

The issue is, this is just strikers but worse

[cerulean smelt]

nods reading that i immediately thought raids will be interesting

[rich cosmos]

That really doesn’t matter

[cerulean smelt]

i don't expect companions doing much damage, much less killing targets for us

[astral kraken]

No but they contribute to your stacks.

Which I think is the idea here. The actual bonus you're getting does feel a bit undertuned though, I agree.

[broken edge]

well i assume the idea is 4 people running the set

[rich cosmos]

They really need to add a separate stat this is just another breaking point situation

[broken edge]

i do think they jumped in too much on the ocmpanions

[astral kraken]

Yea or 3 + healer + companions. There's going to be a cost to all focusing the same target.

[dense plover]

Flame turret on spawn point

[astral kraken]

Yea not a fan of the whole thing to be honest. It just seems very mid. But who knows... maybe... it'll be... good? IDK.

[cerulean smelt]

i forsee a lot of trolling with the companion bit

[rich cosmos]

I think its a little tone deaf that they are going in so hard on them and completely ignoring the fact that they will be removed at the end of the season and locked to the climax mission

[broken edge]

i dont think the companions is a bad idea, i think the gear set being around that is

[astral kraken]

You can always count on gamers to do that 100% lol

[dense plover]

I think we're also not taking something important into consideration as well. What will the seasonal affixes be?

[broken edge]

virtuoso set is also focused on range like the season but it does feel like it would work outside of it

[cerulean smelt]

based on companions

[broken edge]

while virtuoso has a different set of issues, i dont think it broke down more or less because of the season

[rich cosmos]

The gear set should be around actual teamplay, but instead, it makes you rely on your team to do work to even allow yourself to do something

Honestly my two separate ideas is either give you skill repair on top of the damage or flat out remove the stack decay

[astral kraken]

Removing or prolonging the stacking decay significantly is a good idea.

The decay is the first eyebrow raiser for me when looking at it, yea.

[cerulean smelt]

i think it's fine. it's 1 stack every 10 seconds. nothing like the rest where you stop shooting hitting things you lose a stack every second

[rich cosmos]

Lower the damage to 2.5% weapon damage, full on remove the stack decay and remove all stacks when out of combat, bam

[dense plover]

The gear set says Ally or Skill so i'd say it's more focused on not relying on full run and gun builds

[rich cosmos]

It still has to kill the enemy

You just get more stacks when said enemy dies

[dense plover]

It says contributed to the kill so it doesn't have to kill it, just damage it. So Seeker Mine before blasting?

[rich cosmos]

I said that

Again the issue is, its more work, for effectively the same outcome

We don’t know what the backpack talent is yet but it probably won’t massively affect the set

[dense plover]

I'd say it's more style of gameplay for the same outcome really

[cerulean smelt]

true, why i'm guessing the 3% weapon damage to 5% or 7%

[rich cosmos]

My suggestion still keeps the same gameplay but makes it more unique

[rich cosmos]

Watch it be timer increase lol

[cerulean smelt]

10 seconds to 20 sconds?

that or 35 stacks to 45 stacks?

[dense plover]

It does but I don't like the whole remove all when out of combat, that'll kill the set when compared to similar sets like Strikers/Tipping Scales

If you remove all stacks when out of combat the you need to make the set have more impact during that specific combat scenario

[rich cosmos]

Tipping scales constantly has to rebuild its stacks, yeah it does a lot of damage but it also leaves you vulnerable

[dense plover]

So bring the damage up instead of down then your suggestion would have more weight I believe

[broken edge]

well do you even get one stack if you were the person that killed it?

something to test out

brevause if it really needs someone else, then it's dead on arrival

[dense plover]

It says Each Ally or Skill so it would be strange if it didn't assuming you used a skill to tag it. If you don't then the set is DOA imo

[cerulean smelt]

isn't that how they worded it? you mark it get stacks based on how many people and skills hit it and then it dies with the mark?

[rich cosmos]

Just says when marked enemy dies

[dense plover]

Reposting it

[broken edge]

you only need to shoot the enemy to tag it, not use an skill

[rich cosmos]

The big issue with it, is that yes you could get like, 20 stacks like insanely fast…. Or you get like 3 because they die so fast

[cerulean smelt]

100% it drops with Weapon cores

[dense plover]

1 stack for each Ally or Skill. So a solo player could in theory get 2 stacks using 2 skills.

[rich cosmos]

Im so sick of red core stuff man

[cerulean smelt]

i bet local could make a mortar build out of it 😹

[gentle lichen]

why don't they do hybrid pieces like system corruption or refactor

[broken edge]

well problem is that most red cores are either, on kill/hit/crit

[dense plover]

Actually I wonder if pulse would trigger the set ...

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 that funny pulse that marks a body part?

[broken edge]

i mean the overdogs and shroud are refreshing exotics that are red focused

[rich cosmos]

Even better why isn’t measured assembly a hybrid its gimmick encourages you to not use skill tiers on every piece

[cerulean smelt]

Achilles pulse with that, might be interesting?

[broken edge]

but red gearsets are becoming either too gimmicky or lesser striker again

[dense plover]

Could Bluescreen also trigger the set?

[rich cosmos]

Nimble shouldve been a blue core

[gentle lichen]

they need to add back the stack loss on miss
that would open up SO many different dps builds

[broken edge]

eh... i dont think so

[rich cosmos]

Ngl that should just be made into a different gearset

[broken edge]

would make tipping scales and determined sniper builds more popular

[gentle lichen]

everything added gets compared to striker and if it doesn't compare it gets thrown in the trash
nearest gearset we got to it is tipping and it needed upwards of 400%+ crit just to compete

[dense plover]

I'm actually really curious, if Bluescreen triggers the newbrand set do you get 3 stacks per kill as it Pulse, Disrupt and Disorient

[rich cosmos]

I just want beacon to have its talent stack 😔

[broken edge]

think you are mixing talent and skills

[dense plover]

But does the game see them differently?

[broken edge]

yes

[rich cosmos]

When it means skills I assume it means damage

[broken edge]

well you have that weird talent i keep forgetting the name

the one if you hit an enemy with an skill and gun you get buff

it has cogs as simbols?

in-sync?

[rich cosmos]

I think

[broken edge]

does that trigger with pulse?

[cerulean smelt]

yus

[gentle lichen]

Initial click does

[broken edge]

them just using pulse might give you an stack

[rich cosmos]

Enemy still has to die tho

[cerulean smelt]

in 7 seconds

[broken edge]

well for the question if that will count as a hit

because sure hitting them an explosive mine or turret is certain

[cerulean smelt]

i wanna be in that world where explosive mines hit my targets 🥹

[broken edge]

i do think a bunch of other red sets need to be powerful to deal with striker but in weird ways

using virtuoso as an example again

[cerulean smelt]

well, virtuoso and the gearset are similar it seems

[shy willow]

virtuoso is the only one that comes to mind that desperately needs a buff

[broken edge]

i think it would be more interesting if the set removed range drop off and gave you a special version of ranger, for close range weapons like SMGs you get 2% amp damage per meter the enemy is outside of the drop off range, and snipers the reverse for each meter the enemy is inside

no need to switching for weird range constantly

[shy willow]

the rest are either great in their own right or good in some niche

[broken edge]

but it keeps the core of the set being about range

[cerulean smelt]

get rid of the 2 ranged bit for double and just get a kill within x seconds i think would be fairly strong

[broken edge]

i mean i do think a bunch of the blue sets need a buff like aegis and cavalier

but thats a whole diferent can of worms

[shy willow]

yeah in terms of blue and yellow there is a lot of work to be done

[cerulean smelt]

how to fix true patriot though?

[broken edge]

completely remake it

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly liked that red/white/blue marking bit and when you get them all on they do an explosion bit. that's nice

[broken edge]

it is interesting that scales with your health, making one fo the few cases it can improve your damage

[shy willow]

honestly if they bumped the values up i could see it being nice

maybe give it something to encourage building it tanky

[cerulean smelt]

i'd love to see an explosion damage increase in the set honestly

[dense plover]

Considering that True Patriot is clearly American then it should have an American theme. And nothing screams American than higher fire rate, more ammo and instant reload.

[cerulean smelt]

that that holster can get fire rate, use smart cover for instant reload

[rich cosmos]

Im ngl I still haven’t seen a single player use vir and I don’t even remember what it does

[cerulean smelt]

was supposed to be an LMG set i think? you get 2 kills between 2 different ranges and double your weapon damage or something like that

"Symphony
Kills Beyond 25 Meters: +40% Weapon Damage to Shotguns, SMGs, and Pistols; +20% Weapon Damage to Assault Rifles and LMGs; and +25% Bonus Armor for 15s.
Kills Within 25 Meters: +40% Weapon Damage to Marksman Rifles and Rifles; +20% Weapon Damage to Assault Rifles and LMGs; and +30% Headshot Damage for 15s.
Intermittently killing enemies from both ranges builds up stacks. At 4 stacks, all bonuses are multiplied by 1.5 and triggered simultaneously for 15s. No stacks gained while talent is active."

[rich cosmos]

Ah, thats why I never see people use it

[dense plover]

If I was to get creative and unique I would say Armor on Hit with Weapon hit build stacks that slows the player while increasing RoF and either Mag size or Damage in some way.

[cerulean smelt]

nods released with the Centurion holster

[broken edge]

well problem of true patriot is that is a blue debuff set that works on paper if support in the case of debuffs were needed

[cerulean smelt]

would be interesting that explosion at the end healed the team kind of thing

what if they're trying to find a happy medium for new people to get into the game with these sets and exotics?

[rich cosmos]

That kinda falls apart when you realize a lot of the strongest items are extremely easy to use

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but if a new person dons that exotic chest noone likes. they just exist with it we get a 20% chd bonus. no need to hit a target in close, mid or far range

[rich cosmos]

Like example that I totally haven’t talked about 20 times
Beacon, its talent is on paper very good but its likely not gonna stack which effectively kills it because its stats are verrrrrry low

20% crit damage isn’t gonna beat out normal talents

Beacon is a real huge shame that needs either buffing or to be clarified as soon as possible because its actually a really great exotic but its stats are potentially really bad

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just thinking in terms of clan members taking someone under their wing have them wear that while showing them the way

[silent storm]

This is the one right?

[cerulean smelt]

for FI? yes

[silent storm]

Now that I am playing on Refactor I get the FI back I was searching for lol

[cerulean smelt]

Story of our agent lives

If you hate the eagle bearer enough you'll get it in stretch goals

[hazy steeple]

@astral kraken This channel's image permissions are for build advice, make sure you stick to their intended purpose.

[solar sable]

images above are also unrelated to the channel's name/purpose btw

[hazy steeple]

A meme is more off-topic, so more noticeable.

We're not omniscient, feel free to report stuff like that.

[subtle bluff]

👍

[devout iris]

what build do people use to solo this climax mission?

[meager fog]

Normal Red DPS. Can run a PFE set up if you want, using two improvised pieces.

In the pinned google do

[subtle bluff]

In master?

[devout iris]

yes

[subtle bluff]

If you haven't done it in any of the previous ones you're not wanting to it here. This harder than the last 2 climax mission.

It's one of those "If you have to ask" you're not ready for it question.

[meager fog]

Yeah

...do Theo Parnell first...

Thats a joke....dont do that.

[subtle bluff]

imo Manager Master was the easiest of all of them then Kelso.

[meager fog]

Theo is the worst. Hate it.

Manager was pretty easy

[subtle bluff]

I had fun on Theo wished they let us turn off the modifiers easier.
Manager made me made when I one shot with friends other than boss bug.

this I am happy it's not easy you have to have some kind strats running idealy.

[astral kraken]

If you just want to get it done then PFE will make it easier. You could breeze through the other master missions with PFE but this one has a few points where it'll struggle. There are certain attacks in the mission that PFE won't protect you from and they're pretty strong. So I don't think there's a simple easy go-to build for this one. You're probably just better off running a Memento Striker and grinding it out; expect you'll wipe at least a few times.

[devout iris]

PFE? what's that? also for striker, how many blue cores shouldi have on it

[meager fog]

Protection from elites

[devout iris]

oh, think i got some of those. prob at 11% or 12%

[meager fog]

Reduced damage from elite (yellow) enemies.

[astral kraken]

Protection From Elites. It reduces the damage that elite (yellow colored) enemies do to you. Your build will need at least 60% PFE to really feel the difference.

[meager fog]

The best way currently would be to MM into it. You should find a group fairly quickly

[devout iris]

don't got xbox live gold to do multiplayer

[astral kraken]

The reason it's useful in master mission is that most enemies are elites. That's not true even for legendary missions. But like I said this particular mission will counter your PFE in a few places. Also keep in mind that PFE really really slows down your clear time. It could take you 1.5 hours to do it. But if you ran a Memento Striker (with 1-2 blue cores on Striker) then you'll clear faster even with wipes. That's assuming you can even do it btw - it's not easy.

[devout iris]

isn't there also the provocator chest piece? cause it's passive makes you take 25% less damage from eneimes within 20m

[astral kraken]

IMO soloing this mission is harder than soloing legendary DUA/Roosevelt/Capitol.

[astral kraken]

Yep but there will be ranged attacks that nuke you. And certain attacks that'll nuke you even with that chest's damage reduction.

[devout iris]

dam, cause i think the only ones that will actually be a pain is the grenadier, drones and warhounds

[astral kraken]

And you'll be taking a big damage nerf by running that.

[subtle bluff]

I think the issue here is that this master has a decent amount of reds. It's not a build issue it's gonna be all the mech he has to deal with.

You need to kill things quick or you will get overran here.

[astral kraken]

I'm not going into specifics so I don't spoil it for anyone. But yea it's not just the things you listed.

[devout iris]

the warhounds? yeah i can see that being a issue, especially the yellow warhounds who spam the sniper like a BMG

[meager fog]

As with any hard mission, my advice would be to first watch some videos of solo comps.

Watch their strategies and positioning.

Take it area by area and perfect it as you go.

Without multiplayer, this is going to be one of the hardest missions you'll do

[devout iris]

oh ive already done the climax mission , just wanted to do it on master to get the kneepads

[subtle bluff]

If you're having issues with all it's less an issues with the build.

[astral kraken]

The master version is a bit different from Heroic in most places.

[devout iris]

ive tried before to do solo master the manager climax mission and i only made it till the luancher generators section

[meager fog]

And thats one of the easier ones

[subtle bluff]

You're gonna worse issues on this master if you had issues there.

[meager fog]

This one is alot harder.

[subtle bluff]

Also the rouge agent part is fun fo some players.

[meager fog]

Rouge 💅

[cloud laurel]

That’s my backfire build, no hazpro

[subtle bluff]

Typing... English... Ya they don't mix with me

Ya BF is easily doable in a most section.

[meager fog]

If you're not well versed in master missions, you're going to need several builds in the loadout to get this one done solo

[cloud laurel]

I can’t live without my beloved BF

[dreamy valve]

Excellent choice of blue cores

Got through it with some randoms too today. 5 blues, max pfe with Ravenous

[subtle bluff]

Funny I know on my blue build I'd do a lot more but I've put that build away.

[heady marten]

Used the new heal build i got on a legendary, 1.2 billion healing, hehehe

[fair dragon]

If it means something to you, then good for you

[subtle bluff]

FI does some hard work. Heals and and buffs.
This was last year but normally the one shot is like 230ish with no buffs but everything that FI brings you can see the difference.

[heady marten]

Idk what I’m looking at

[subtle bluff]

the 495 mill one shot

[devout iris]

Update: managed to solo the manager climax mission and got the tinkerer

[trim abyss]

why are people saying the blacklisters are broken? I tried running the supposed "broken" build with them and the damage was pitiful compared to my normal build. Am I missing something here?

[meager fog]

Yep.

They're currently broken

[trim abyss]

how so? because running them with pestilence is dog water lol

[meager fog]

Rule 6

[trim abyss]

Huh? its not an exploit or anything

its literaly just putting on a piece of gear lol

[patent fossil]

It's a bug that gives vast amounts of unintended damage, using it for that deliberately is kind of exploitative.

[meager fog]

That

[trim abyss]

ya I guess my usual TS build is just really good because it outputs tons more damage

[meager fog]

Your TS isnt hitting as high as this lol.

By tons Kettle means hundreds of millions

[trim abyss]

wierd, did they fix it already then? Because its not doing that currently

[meager fog]

Nope. I dm'd you.

[wraith zealot]

whoa fast hands, gone in second.

[subtle bluff]

Wrong channel/server. lol

[lofty frigate]

OMG

[analog wagon]

i feel dirty using those kneepad

[meager fog]

Personally, i wouldnt use them.

Although its their fault for coding them that way, companies expect players to police themselves. I can see roll backs coming 🤣

[analog wagon]

i saw ppl use them you can kill a marauder in 1 seconds

[heady marten]

a hwat

[analog wagon]

i did the kleso master manhunt has a duo i healed the other had the knee pad now that i have the quick fix it feel empty it was too easy

[analog wagon]

the quad copter(?) the black tusk have

[heady marten]

oh the kelso mission is the one with that backpack? i want to do that

[scenic whale]

I wanted to use em to test out mileage but no test would ever yield me correct numbers rn, shame

[heady marten]

ohhhhhhhh

[scenic whale]

Is that a dodge city holster set up?

That’s wild

[analog wagon]

i think imma delete it and since i got it, it will in my loot pool? guess i can just do heroic until it drops again

[devout iris]

Though now, I have to now get the exotic kneepads here in soloing the new climax mission on master

[patent fossil]

Don't delete them, just put them in your stash until they're patched. You'll have to run the master mission a bunch more times (with about 10% drop chance or so) to farm more later

[analog wagon]

i'm talking about quick fix birdie

[patent fossil]

That's only supposed to drop from the Kelso master mission, so same thing: it'll probably take a lot of farming to get another. I've heard it occasionally drops elsewhere but that is likely to be patched

[analog wagon]

yea maybe the stretch cache

[spring vortex]

Anyways to improve this? I know crit chance is a bit low but that’ll be fixed once I get a decent ar to drop

[gentle lichen]

Drop the number of blues and use a ceska bag with vigilance

[devout iris]

does it work in the new climax mission on master difficulty?

[cloud laurel]

It’s master difficulty, the pact from tidal

[devout iris]

right, but does it work even in solo? just asking cause i was gonna run solo on the climax mission

[meager fog]

Another AR wont affect your crit chance

[cloud laurel]

In solo, you can just adjust the core either 2M or 1.7M armor and work just fine by the look of the summary? I don’t solo often but if I would I’ll adjust my core to fully blues since my BF can hit up to 1M+ per bullet with fully striker stack and that’s without memento token.

Getting 100 stack isn’t hard with BF tho

Not sure if anyone noticed but belstone is GODLIKE, don’t estimate that 1% AR tbh, each blue core you have it will add up to abt 2-3K AR. You’re welcome to do the math and test on belstone and this is reason you don’t need hazpro. Even with fully red build with belstone chest, bleed didn’t make any difference except the bleed animation effect.

[rich cosmos]

1% armor regen ain’t jack shit

Even on all blue cores you still want more than 1%

You are losing a more beneficial stat just for 1%

[devout iris]

the only mods i have on my chest,mask and back pack is PFE

though one of them is just 11% while the other 2 are 12%

as for chest piece is go with palisade for the 10% armor on kill

[heady marten]

I got birdie! Im assuming with just a few swaps I can run it with the same repair hive loadout i was running right, maining FI

I just need different gloves then, hmm

[patent fossil]

I'd just run the usual fi build and only hotswap birdie in if teammates keep going down. You're losing a lot of utility and team damage buff by running it all the time

[heady marten]

I just like knowing I have it now

thinking of how i would make a loadout for that, seeing as it replaces the setup, i dont need 5 pieces of FI, so what do i run

[violet juniper]

1 PC Hana-U

[heady marten]

what is that, a chestpiece?

[violet juniper]

Hana-U is a set

[heady marten]

ah

[violet juniper]

Use 1 piece of the Hana-U brand, it gives skill haste iirc

[cloud laurel]

Or used on refactor build, if I’m lazy ima run refactor and if someone down, switch to quickstep and revive them. Mostly I’m lazy to heal in LEG bc they don’t stay within my hive and blamed the healer lol

[heady marten]

The legendary mission I did today one guy got jumpy I wasnt healing him and both my teammates deadass just stared at him until he apologized cuz he was the same guy running out in front of 5 sniper hounds lol

is refactor a gearset

[broken edge]

yes

it heals people based on the damage your skills do

[magic pilot]

BTSU

[heady marten]

How am I supposed to run Btsu and birdie together

[cloud laurel]

Hotswap lol

[magic pilot]

Oh I missed that

[cloud laurel]

Birdie is only for backup in a situation where your team have multiple dead

[heady marten]

You're triggering my destiny 2 brain with that word

[magic pilot]

Unequip birdies

If your team is all dead and you are playing a healer it's time to swap builds

[heady marten]

havent had that happen yet

[rich cosmos]

Tbh I just use birdies, def losing out on stats but I prefer it to hot swapping

[magic pilot]

Team needs a different kind of support if they are dying with a healer, like a dps carry lol

[cloud laurel]

I thought div2 weren’t allow hotswap back then in one of the discussions or patch notes.

[rich cosmos]

I have an obsession with armor and not using armor kits so I always have to find a way to either get armor back or play support

[grand girder]

isnt that related to loadouts tho? not individual pieces

[magic pilot]

Reverted

[heady marten]

Yeah cuz swapping loadouts bypasses skill cooldowns right

[cloud laurel]

U still can load out if FT to safe house and come back but your summary won’t shows up but for hotswap they did mentioned

[magic pilot]

You don't need to do all that lol

[magic pilot]

Not really, if you have a skill tier 6 hive and swap to 0 skill tier build it still recharges to max ST6

That's why oxi player self kills in incursion speeds, dying resets cooldowns

[heady marten]

I have zero idea what oxi is but I’ll take your word for it

[grand girder]

oxidizer chem launcher

[heady marten]

Oh I thought it was another shortened exotic name

[digital sparrow]

so why cant i upgrade this even though i do have it max rank ?

it just says insufficient expertise level

[magic pilot]

Proficiency and expertise level are different. Proficency is your individual item lvl. expertise in your overall level

[digital sparrow]

so what do i have to do

[magic pilot]

Proficiency goes to 10 for each item, expertise goes to 30 and is based on the total number of proficiency levels you have

[digital sparrow]

so i just gotta get more overall things more profieceny levels and itll rank up my expertise level?

[magic pilot]

Exactly

Also, it's not worth upgrading armor with expertise

[digital sparrow]

its that bad

better on weapons and skills?

does upgrading take away expertise levels?

[magic pilot]

Certain skills, best on weapons

[cloud laurel]

This^ you can level armor to + 12 since it’s free but after +12, it will cost exotic components so not worthy especially not red strikers

[magic pilot]

Wdym?

[cloud laurel]

It does! It take your + 12 to +13 😉

No, I’m JK lol

[magic pilot]

Oh I see what you mean, no your expertise level can't go down

[digital sparrow]

thank you

[silent storm]

Something wrong with the spreadsheet?

It's sending invalid responces

[magic pilot]

Working for me

[meager fog]

Just now getting into backfire a bit more.

Lotta fun I must say

[magic pilot]

Glass cannon and blue cores is criminal

[devout iris]

also how in the hell do i manage to deal with 2 quadcopters and the boss in here? cause the final are of the climax mission on master difficulty is where i got roadblocked

[subtle bluff]

EMP sticky one

[subtle bluff]

I wouldn't use GC here use intimated if anything.

[devout iris]

well im doing this entire thing solo so

[subtle bluff]

I mean that's how we deal with it on solo lego roosevelt Island

[meager fog]

GC was just on it while I was playing around with it. 🙂

[cloud laurel]

I’m not even dare to mess with GC hahaha

[cloud laurel]

Elmo also good, switch to Elmo and stunt for 2-3 sec and switch back to your g9 or something and switch back to Elmo again. Just time when they lunch rocket after the minigun spread. The rocket is what mostly kill players but the minigun spread can be avoidable

[subtle bluff]

reply to him not me! lol

[cloud laurel]

Ohh I keep forgot the tag thing MB!

[trim abyss]

bluescreen works better IMO

swapping weapons can be a death sentence when fighting 2 quadcopters

[rich cosmos]

I mean we already have a legendary mission with two quadcopters so its not that much harder

[dreamy valve]

Not enough blue cores

[magic pilot]

intimidate is just the better option there. @dreamy valve @cloud laurel

[cloud laurel]

Not really tbh since my belstone are open to change talent as needed but I’ve tried intimidate and without the bonus armor, I don’t get the buff. Obliterate is always my favorite, i can’t burst and kill boss in legendary with intimate last for 10 sec right? Or lecture me since without bonus armor, intimate isn’t active, correct? Plus I like memento for AR and 30% dmg right?

[magic pilot]

i would run it with ad rush personally

with a high tier shield you have really good uptime on intimidate

[cloud laurel]

Yeah I’ve belstone with ad rush also but the playstyle isn’t there compared to memento

[dreamy valve]

Intimidate+Adrush+insync used to be meta combo years ago until they nerfed them. Memento is just too hard to pass up due to its amazing utility besides bonus armor, and you can operate at a far longer distance with Obliterate vs Intimidate, especially with an AR. In my opinion

[magic pilot]

the nerf was because of the shield nerf and in sync nerf

[dreamy valve]

They changed the intimidate damage multiplier as well

Adrush I think they also nerfed

[magic pilot]

yea it was lower for a little bit, but its technically the best its ever been now. dmg wise

[rich cosmos]

Im just now realizing, why doesn’t beacon have all 3 core attributes, the entire gimmick of it is giving out all three stat groups

[dreamy valve]

I haven’t used that combo for a long time though so I haven’t experienced it currently

[magic pilot]

its a 42% amp at max stacks now

[dreamy valve]

I’m gunna test it out with a red measured assembly and smart cover dtooc in randoms

Gunna use tactical drone

[worn imp]

Can M249 "Black Friday" named gun be a good option for heartbreaker or do i really badly wanna run flatline for Heartbreaker builds?

[magic pilot]

flatline is a 15% amp

[rich cosmos]

Keep in mind, the talent implies it doesn’t stack so it’s potentially gonna need buffs really badly

[worn imp]

I really need to remember how this game calculates stuff.... GOD it would have been so nice if it would just be predictable for goddamn ONCE. Imagine if +22% dmg would be just that and not bogged down through being additive.....

[dreamy valve]

Gunna see how it goes, I never go off of their descriptions anymore since

[rich cosmos]

I just really badly want this exotic to be good I want to use it with measured assembly

[worn imp]

Whats better on LMGs' third attribute, 9,5% CHC or 6% DTA?

[solar sable]

I'd say chc, IIRC there's just a little difference with DTA instead or if you only need the crit

[magic pilot]

chc

[worn imp]

Heartbreaker build question: Now I know that higher RPM weapons are defo prefered for Heartbreaker, but isnt an RPK lmg with 60 rounds in mag with great damage per shot still a good choice??

[magic pilot]

it has a long reload time

[worn imp]

Is the DPS in the mag itself better than M249?

[smoky latch]

The reload time of that weapon ruins it

Doesn't matter much which LMG you use, I personally use the mil. MK46; M249 and GR9 also good

[worn imp]

I really love using the military m60

[subtle bluff]

The issues more is building stacks with rpk and it's RPM.

[worn imp]

i have a rockNroll

[subtle bluff]

Well have at it then.

[worn imp]

If i were to replace the chest with a D&H on the striker version, which build would do the most DPS for Tempest? (also I know I should use claws out holster but dont have a good one yet)

[subtle bluff]

strikers of course

[worn imp]

ok

[worn imp]

Is strikers treated as an amp?

[subtle bluff]

strikers is amp..

[worn imp]

cause im wondering wether to go coyotes instead of memento and just run striker backpack

[worn imp]

is memento amp?

[worn imp]

wat yall think of this instead of running memento on the striker version?

[patent fossil]

You'd probably want to switch away from intimidate if you don't have a source of bonus armour

[worn imp]

Memento.

maybe not consistent enough idk

[patent fossil]

... Didn't you just ask about switching memento for coyotes?

[buoyant perch]

No

[worn imp]

yeah sry lol

[worn imp]

Ok but if I ran memento + intimidate or coyotes + obliderate, what would be best for DPS?

[patent fossil]

Tbh you'd probably need to plug the numbers into a spreadsheet. Intimidate is a bigger amp than obliterate but will have lower uptime and the striker bag + coyotes is bigger than memento, so difficult to call off the top of my head

Memento is additive weapon damage btw

[worn imp]

yeah.

[worn imp]

@subtle bluff Do you know the answer to this particular question? If I ran either memento + intimidate OR coyotes + obliderate, what would be best for DPS?

[subtle bluff]

with tempest it's really w/e, like your hard limit is the weapon

[worn imp]

I think ill run memento for the survivability

There is actually an alternative setup, running Imminence 2 PC with ninjabike + striker pieces lmao

[worn imp]

How would this fare?

[subtle bluff]

try it out..

at some point saying which straw is better doesn't matter till you use it.

[astral kraken]

Hey, iKia did a whole analysis on this exact build. Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLac2cYW5D4

He uses two builds. A Memento version:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18v_nO_Y1yQxQlSWNiIyf5j02rV0C4VKR_04ewNy1Duk/edit

And a high-end version (no concern about building Striker stacks, but is harder to farm for):
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1FK5UVrVAf6figTcEyg9EhxmuX4mL--7eLxyr-QP1UpM/edit

[worn imp]

Yeah its just that in this instance Im lazy and would rather check here to see if someone here knows already. Just being honest lol.

[worn imp]

Thanks!!! 😍

@astral kraken Why does he use blue cores on it thooo 😭

[astral kraken]

IMO blue cores in cases like this are entirely up to you. He uses the blues (and technician) to get a 6 tier shield. I've run the build in 4 player Heroic and usually get the most kills (or a close second if not). The 6 tier shield allows you to get into the middle of the action and land more shots.

You can always reduce the # of blue cores until you feel like you're too squishy.

[worn imp]

I use only 1 blue core from memento always.

im an all red kinda guy but really like the +2 skill tiers for shield when running ninja or memento

ummm what does he mean with TT?

[astral kraken]

Yep just play around with it and find what you like. That's the fun 🙂 I'm also a red core enjoyer but sometimes it's fun to shake things up and play differently.

[worn imp]

for me "shaking things up" is called running hunters fury for armor regen hehehe

[subtle bluff]

100 is baseline

[worn imp]

yeah but what does TT stand for?

[subtle bluff]

TT?

[worn imp]

what

[astral kraken]

TT = tech tank. It's a build style. He goes over that here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ducxX1nwxAA

[subtle bluff]

OH ya. Tech Tank.

[worn imp]

what does HE stand for?

[subtle bluff]

High End

[worn imp]

ah

[astral kraken]

Having run that build my only complaint (in groups) is the mag size and reload time of the Tempest. It still does good work but a lot of your kills get snatched because you just can't quite finish off enemies without a reload.

In solo it's probably the most chill build I've ever played for Heroic.

[foggy imp]

Man these knee pads people are using in countdown things are dying before I can shoot

[subtle bluff]

Yeah it's dumb I hate that messes with keeping a legit leaderboard..

[smoky latch]

Gonna get fixed over night

[foggy imp]

Yeah it’s making it not fun at all. Might just stick to open world farming till they get fixed

[strong cave]

I personally would've loved it. Would make retaliation farming stupid easy. I can go all out on reconstructed caches

But for legit group content yeah this hurts the game pretty bad

[subtle bluff]

I mean they already these op modifiers..

[strong cave]

Yeah but this allows me to just let Pesti do all the work LMAOOO. I just run from point to point and collect the loot and mats. I've been busy af with work and really don't have time to do this

[smoky latch]

12 mil Pestilence ticks is insane to see. Takes a while to build the stacks tho cuz everything insta dies

[fringe sundial]

hey guys does anyone know how i can farm resources so I can upgrade my gear and stuff? bc i keep only getting like 5 to 10 every hour

[smoky latch]

Farm gear sets and dismantle or use watch points

That material is ceramics IIRC

[fringe sundial]

thank you thank you will do

[amber crater]

if you go the resources and check the material it also shows you from which faction it drops, so you can focus on activities related to that faction
for example Ceramics

[worn imp]

DPS wise, what are the top gear sets and loadout for DPS with SMGs? Ranked from highest DPS to the ones below?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers

[worn imp]

please no memes, ofc i 1000% know strikers is best. I wanna know the runner ups

[subtle bluff]

I mean.. you asked.

really imo it's only strikers and HF. You can use it with HB too.

[worn imp]

Yeah I did and you must have missed something in my question. The word "are" is in the sentence, indicating that im looking for several suggestions, not just one

[worn imp]

what about uhh ongoing directive?

[subtle bluff]

The mag dmg is bit low.

You can but it's not optimal.

[worn imp]

how about Umbra?

[onyx sage]

nah umbra in pve is dead in the water lol

[worn imp]

They need to buff it then

[onyx sage]

or it was intended to stay that way, it's already strong in pvp

[worn imp]

how bout negotiators?

[subtle bluff]

You can but it's hard to use close up.

[worn imp]

how so?

[subtle bluff]

you need to shoot people the more people you have mark kind of the better. SMG at range don't shoot too well at range.

I've tried in the past it's pita and HF is just easier to use.

[worn imp]

Yo is new reliable good? thinking of using it for a heartbreaker build

[subtle bluff]

eh.

less than mid

[rich cosmos]

?

[onyx sage]

wdym ?

[rich cosmos]

I don’t see how its dead in comparison to like, 20 other things

[gentle lichen]

didn't they buff the chd in pve and made it like 1.2% chd per stack or something

[onyx sage]

well it's not the bottom of the barrel but no one uses umbra for speeds

[rich cosmos]

Speedrunning? I mean whatever

[gentle lichen]

yeah i don't think a gearset that revolves around sitting in cover to stack is good at speedruns lmao

but again it's not that bad if you compare it to other "dps" gearsets

[onyx sage]

well the guy is asking for a rather strict comparison (which is basically a tier list) so we treat it like that, if it is what it is we call it as such

[agile citrus]

"comradely" 🤔 3% x 35 x 3 ist that like... 320? It's kinda wild that's half of the exo knees 600% where have we seen that? PGC shrieking for recognition in the deepest corner of my stash

So weird

[worn imp]

RPK has like 20% more damage than an M60 and the same RoF. How is it less than mid?

[gentle lichen]

What

[smoky latch]

If you wanna use it, use it 😆

[broken edge]

More constant reloads

[worn imp]

Dude. Im here in this chat mainly to understand why things that are recommended, are recommended.

[worn imp]

I wanna hear yall's analysis on the thing in question. thats why im here lol

[broken edge]

For things focused on crits and stacks always go for high rof quick reload

[strong cave]

L86A1 would be best

[worn imp]

i got a rockNroll for a reason. Frees up what kinda primaries I use

[strong cave]

That's IF you wanna use an LMG as an AR

[worn imp]

Huh didnt consider that one

Isnt the RoF or damage of L86 lower than RPK?

[subtle bluff]

There's are 3 different DPS/DMG stats we look at.

• Burst DPS - what a quick sec or 2 of DPS
• Sustain DPS - Who continues shooting including reloads
• Mag Dmg - what a full mag of dmg does

[broken edge]

I dont think so

[strong cave]

It's better than the RPK. That's due to the RPK having a really slow reload speed. The damage is identical I think

[worn imp]

Hence why im considering using new reliable

[strong cave]

Ehhhhhh

[agile citrus]

So.

Gc is 25% DMG amp but you take 50% more DMG. Or PGC is 30% and 60% this is dbl

The "comrade" talent adds 3% DMG per stack, up to 35 stacks. This is a stack of 105%, the stack can be applied up to three times, with is 3 stacks of 35x 3% making it 315%

Unironicaly the exo buffs an enemy to almost exactly dbl at 600%

[strong cave]

Just run RPK with fast hands 🤷‍♀️

[agile citrus]

@gentle lichen

[worn imp]

fast hands is significantly worse than new reliable's talent.

[strong cave]

@subtle bluff this true?

[broken edge]

New reliable is 15% handling i think as talent

[agile citrus]

If your using an lmg with hbr why use a low ammo one? Might as well use a ar

[worn imp]

I mean think about it. New reliable offers +40% (handling) reload speed no matter what

[strong cave]

New reliable is what, 15% handling?

[broken edge]

Huh

40%

Had the game open by chance

[strong cave]

Does it actually??

[worn imp]

yes

[gentle lichen]

Pretty sure it was buffed since project resolve

[strong cave]

Wow. Damn, okay. I'd still go L86 tho. Reloads quicker and is able to take a damage talent

[strong cave]

RPK is dead, let it stay dead. L86 has been slept on too long

[broken edge]

rof a bit weird due season

if you were running something like OD then sure RPK or even pakhan might have been beteter choices

[strong cave]

Pakhan would be better

[worn imp]

is the dmg really identical to RPK?

[subtle bluff]

0.o

[worn imp]

im doing Heartbreaker shenanigans

[strong cave]

Nearly. You'll hardly notice a difference

It'll shoot faster as well. It's 5.56

[subtle bluff]

Fast Hands is good on LMG that stack it well. In the case of small mag not so much.

[worn imp]

Base damage per shot for L86 is 60K, whereas it's 70% for RPK

[subtle bluff]

HERE...

[broken edge]

but a 100 rpm difference

[worn imp]

already looked there but thx for sending anyway

[broken edge]

so L86 will be dealing more damage in same amount of time

[worn imp]

ah didnt consider.

[broken edge]

if you want to play around of squeezing more damage PER BULLET then switch to OD

[worn imp]

brooo that 30 bullet mag hurts tho

[broken edge]

slap an extended

[subtle bluff]

Then what's your question?

[worn imp]

RPK getting 10 more bullets is nice. bumps it up to 60 rounds in mag with extended

[worn imp]

None atm, already checked the base damages

[verbal gust]

I have a question?

Kneepads work in the dz or no? Cause I went in the dz and saw a guy with them and instantly deleted the other dude.

[strong cave]

"where's my legs?"

[meager fog]

The dont

[strong cave]

They're likely damage stacking. Or doing some kind of cheat exploit

[meager fog]

But it would be hard to tell, they could just be cheating lol

[verbal gust]

No I found those already. It’s putting them back on that’s the challenge.

[astral kraken]

If they were wearing the kneepads and a cheater then I wouldn't be surprised because:

1. A cheater would definitely try to abuse them.
2. Cheaters usually don't know how the game works and wouldn't know that the knees don't work in DZ.

[strong cave]

Autobots, roll out!

• Optimus Prime

[strong cave]

Can't always bank on #2. There's some damn good cheaters in the community that are good even without them

And there's likely some who ARE cheating but you wouldn't even know it

[astral kraken]

Damn :[

[meager fog]

Wouldnt surprise me if you could stack them outside DZ and then enter with a damage buff though....just Massive doing massive things i guess

[verbal gust]

Being cheated on is poo. Especially In a Video game.

[strong cave]

One massive leap for company, one massive server shutdown to fix mistakes the next day. Sounds exact for Ubisoft

[verbal gust]

Massive will fix these. ‘7 years later’

[meager fog]

And then a ban wave because people used their mistake lol

[verbal gust]

And the innocent people affected and unbanned along with the intentional bans.

[strong cave]

You're right. We need to go bigger. Let's cheat on life. Abandon our spouses, our kids, our morals, and just go buck wild out in the middle of Alaska. We could ditch the worries of who's cheating and who's not. We can chase wolves around like we're the American version of Crocodile Dundee or sum

Or we could start a shrimp boat. Your choice 🤷‍♀️

[verbal gust]

I think your on to something 🤔

[strong cave]

You seem like you could float 👌

[verbal gust]

Oh yeah I got a life preserve vest il be fiiiine

[strong cave]

WILSONNNN

come back... 💔

DZ been feeding you weird build ideas lately tho?

[verbal gust]

No just the usual hzp regen builds

[strong cave]

Exactly why I stopped bothering with dz 💯

Mostly been at work, playing other games, or doing leggo matchmaking with randoms

[dreamy valve]

pretty good player though, never had to use his hive, respectable damage, could handle his own throughout the run

[cerulean smelt]

someone who thinks outside the box huh? 🤔

[solar sable]

I would've left the second I saw his build

[dreamy valve]

I tried to kill him on purpose during the mission too

[subtle bluff]

Now that's a new one

[dreamy valve]

But he played solid Division 2 fundamentals even after that

So I backed off

[hazy steeple]

@dreamy valve It's fine to post up questions about particular builds you see, but in the future, please crop out any names. Just in case.

[subtle bluff]

I can't actually message this to him.. But you want to... riven beat me.

[hazy steeple]

You love it.

[frosty rivet]

any exotic i could swap catharsis with? just wanna mess with the exotic slot with this build a bit to see what happens

[cloud laurel]

Yes! Use blacklister

[gentle lichen]

Good morning

[frosty rivet]

lets pretend those dont exist for today

[cloud laurel]

lol he’s asking so might as well use it b4 they fix it

But it’s really boring tho, sigh I want my normal leg back

[frosty rivet]

would the kneepads work on the build normally or would 600 amplified damage tear through foundry

[astral kraken]

there's nothing

quite literally nothing that will have any meaningful impact with that build

[cloud laurel]

Yes there is… it’s blacklister!!

[astral kraken]

Stop it!

[frosty rivet]

Because it's just that good right?

[meager fog]

I'd be interested to see just how long it takes you to kill a Lego Chunga...

[astral kraken]

You've stacked everything into defensive traits so your damage is miniscule. Since the objective of the game is defeating enemies with damage... it's sort of like showing up to a Formula 1 race riding a bicycle.

[meager fog]

When you can count your DPS on your fingers and toes, it's not a good sign

[onyx sage]

i have 1, that's me

[meager fog]

Heres the major issue, I could understand if a "tank" had a place in Division 2, but sadly it doesnt.

You cant even draw aggro from your team as the enemy will actively ignore you most of the time, since you're no threat to them.

As it is, you're just a big lump of armour standing in the middle of the room tickling enemies.

[frosty rivet]

its just a build i use when iam feeling lazy, i have more team focused builds

[subtle bluff]

My lazy to clear content for stuff is EP

[astral kraken]

It's actually even worse than that because experienced DPS players have memorized enemy movements enough that they position around that. When an all blue tank runs into the back to stand around it messes up where enemies go. Sometimes the enemies will run away (further back) which makes them very annoying to deal with for DPS.

Not to mention the tank body blocking shots which does happen a lot 🙁

[subtle bluff]

This is given me minor ptsd...

[meager fog]

I tried to explain to someone in game once why his tank wasnt a great idea. So we went into a mission and it wasnt until the enemy not only actively ignored him, but even ran PAST him to get to the DPS, that he realised

[astral kraken]

That's when you'll hear me shout "oh muh gawwwwd moooooove" out loud IRL 🤣

[frosty rivet]

unless ur me and have run this build for so long you know how to kite enemies towards the dps. but yeah its just a casual build i like to use sometimes, ive posted it here before

figured i could find a new exotic to bump it up more

[subtle bluff]

There's better ways to do that.

[meager fog]

Bump it as in make it do even less damage? Lol

[frosty rivet]

yeah

[astral kraken]

To be fair you didn't clarify what "bump it up" means. What are you trying to achieve?

[subtle bluff]

I'll explain this way. There are 2 types of tanks. A Selfish Tank (Just stays upright) and a suppot tank.

[frosty rivet]

basically what the other guy said, would want to make it even more tanky...so less damage

[meager fog]

Just wear belstone mask

[subtle bluff]

Also! for context... We're talking about leggo 4 man content.

[frosty rivet]

oh yeah ive tried that with this build

[astral kraken]

What content is it struggling with?

[meager fog]

Normal 😭

[astral kraken]

If you need more tankiness that means something is killing you, right?

[frosty rivet]

no, i just want it more tanky simply for fun

[astral kraken]

Ok in that case I can't help. I think build advice is good for solving actual in-game problems. If it's just imaginary tankiness then it's hard to give you advice.

[frosty rivet]

fair, thank you though

[astral kraken]

Thanks for running Vanguard at least

[frosty rivet]

i even use deflector

[astral kraken]

O_O

[frosty rivet]

but a geuine build question i have is if theres anything for shroud i could use. i already have a hotshot build if thats something i could just put it in

[astral kraken]

LOL CHOW that's hilarious

[subtle bluff]

GOD they were a carry. It were the player now I was then I may have been acutally able to carry them on strikers.

[astral kraken]

Yea you can just run it alongside your main MMR. It's a good secondary for dealing with chunky enemies.

[frosty rivet]

alrighty thank you

[astral kraken]

It's basically a solid replacement for Nemesis on a Hotshot build.

[frosty rivet]

me who used dread eddict

[gentle lichen]

I'm cooked i asked myself wait isn't this guy asian why is he white

[subtle bluff]

LMAO. Yea I've see that few times. It really tested someone abilities to review the video.

[frosty rivet]

Just glad I wasn't the only one

[subtle bluff]

You see my name out there!!!!

I wish I had gameplay from that one.

[onyx sage]

chow is my favorite white streamer

[stark flicker]

Building the new brandset for a he build which would be better 3pc new brandset (1pc 5% rof 2pc 30% ar dmg 3pc 50% mag size) plus overdogs 1pc ceska 1pc grupo or 2pc new set overdogs 1pc ceska 2pc fenris talents will be unstoppable force and perfect obliterate

Gun is lex with killer

[onyx sage]

this is a legit ask though, but even for dps builds there are more "lax" builds than just red striker

tho you probably understand in the hardest content the game restricts the viability of most builds

[frosty rivet]

Yeah. It's not a build I use for team play, I have actual builds

Admittedly I just like asking for advice on it for...these exact responses

[subtle bluff]

White washed Asian stream sir!

[astral kraken]

what do u mean?

[subtle bluff]

We're gonna update buildstation when we get the patch notes.

[frosty rivet]

I want advice on it yes. But the visceral reaction people have towards it is kinda amusing

[stark flicker]

I'm frothing at the mouth for that new named holster 13% rof from 1 item is gonna be the best

[astral kraken]

That's very sadistic of you, I like it. tips hat

[frosty rivet]

You're welcome

[gentle lichen]

what were the attributes again

[stark flicker]

8% rof for named holster brand is 1pc 5% rof 2pc 30% ar damage 3pc 50% mag size

[astral kraken]

We're just gonna have to do the math when someone gets their hands on it.

[stark flicker]

Plus it'll have a named chestpiece with p obliterate with max stack increased to 24

[gentle lichen]

woah woah wasn't it 20% ar damage?

[stark flicker]

Yeah typo

[astral kraken]

My guess though... if there's no amp involved it's probably DOA for standard builds. Maybe someone can actually make Ninja work with it or something but I doubt it.

AR damage is already adding to a big pool. ROF is insanely strong. Mag size is mostly good for LMGs. Just initial thoughts.

[stark flicker]

There are so few sources of rof that holster is gonna easily become bis for builds that can afford it

[astral kraken]

Agreed yea the ROF is a big deal.

[stark flicker]

13% rof for just the holster

[gentle lichen]

dude it's the bis now for umbra cap
1 brazos 1 new brand the question is wether you want picaro for WD or new brand for rof

[onyx sage]

if u have the build i can do some napkin math

[astral kraken]

(he uses actual napkins btw)

[stark flicker]

@onyx sage

[onyx sage]

i know the brand bonuses, just wondering the current weapon damage value

[gentle lichen]

new brand over walker

and then dropping picaro for new holster so trading 10% WD for 8% rof

[onyx sage]

1 + 0.15*3 + 0.15 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.05 + 0.3 = 2.15 awd

new brand over walker meaning you're running the same blue cores chc chd just unit alloy over walker?

what's the current crit ratio too btw

[gentle lichen]

ill hop on to check

[onyx sage]

so swapping walker to unit you're losing 0.05 awd, 0.05 dta and gaining 0.05 rof and 0.2 AR dmg

[gentle lichen]

pretty much

also it's 59% chc and 135% chd

[onyx sage]

awd gain is close to 7%

[stark flicker]

They were talking abt the named holster which would give 0.13 rof

[onyx sage]

if you have zero rof source the rof gain is 5% which cancels out the dta loss

[gentle lichen]

on umbra tho which has 30%

[onyx sage]

i know, am about to get to that, have to analyze piece by piece

[stark flicker]

Kk

[onyx sage]

wait just so im clear you're swapping both walker gloves and picaro for unit gloves and the named holster? so you're getting 3p unit with ninja?

[gentle lichen]

no no going with 1 picaro (1 brazos) and 1 unit normal piece then comparing 1 picaro and 1 new holster (1 unit)

[onyx sage]

okay so 2 separate configs

[gentle lichen]

so effectively testing the 2 named holsters

[onyx sage]

okay so control config to unit gloves config

you're losing 5% dta and 5% awd and gaining 5% rof and 20% AR damage

dta loss is 0.9572
rof increase is 1.038
awd increase is 1.06977

overall it is 1.063 which is 6.3% increase

[stark flicker]

Not being rude but what is this build supposed to accomplish?

[gentle lichen]

isn't it more intricate when it comes to dta and rof seeing how umbra gives 30% rof and cap has 12% dta?

[onyx sage]

oh yeah i forgot umbra and cap bonuses let me edit

[gentle lichen]

huge damage cause umbra cap and armor and skill tier 3 which lets jammer break tier 6 skills
basically pvp build

[stark flicker]

While I farm for a good ceska pair of knees how badly will I mess up my dps running turmoil?

[gentle lichen]

horribly

[onyx sage]

6.3% increase edited above

[gentle lichen]

overall dps?

[onyx sage]

ye burst

[gentle lichen]

jesus direct buff

[subtle bluff]

ROF is always buff in DPS

[gentle lichen]

what about the other version with the 13% holster and normal picaro
it's an 8% rof trade with 10% WD
surely this will be even bigger buff

[subtle bluff]

For PvP don't forget your balacing a lot of stuff

[onyx sage]

control to new holster

• lose skill tier
• lose 10% skill haste
• awd goes from 10% to 20%
• rof goes from 30% to 43%

you can probably see dps increase from this but you lose a skill tier so you might need to drop a core, which will be a loss in awd instead of gain

[gentle lichen]

wait i meant you'd keep brazos but just put it elsewhere like build above with new holster just use brazos gloves

[onyx sage]

okay so building on top of the walker gloves swap config

[subtle bluff]

Imo yes it's buff to DPS but that's if you're hitting all your shots. So normal RPM isn't bad to say unless you've got that Aim.

[stark flicker]

Nah I was curious if 50% mag size 13% chd would be better than 10% ar damage (total of 30%) 30% reload speed

[onyx sage]

• awd goes from 2.15 to 2.2 = 1.02326
• dta goes from 1.17 to 1.12 = 0.9573
• rof goes from 1.3 to 1.43 = 1.1

overall is 1.07752

so 7-8% increase

[gentle lichen]

though less damage per bullet right

[onyx sage]

yeah

[gentle lichen]

but it would scale better if external damage buffs were applied say firewall proximity or debuff like sledge and such

[onyx sage]

it doesn't matter

[gentle lichen]

gotcha
which one is less punishing if you play like shit tho lmao

[stark flicker]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwdgtATGDMbJYAMSXLajiBc0AcDZ4pgBOTc9NLAFmSkIWuopaoDZx64VRZLXUWCJy7x+41lnyiBEykNyxmwZMCgR40NmBDbxWObIOyKOY4aoXUQA this is a build I came up with for the new brandset the 2 improvised plus forge will instead be 3pc new set (named chest named holster)

The secondary I'm planning on being the mop with preservation

[onyx sage]

they all have the same rof increase and no other handling change so you might as well go with the higher increase one

[frosty rivet]

is it possible to slot in empathic resolve into this or would just running future initive as is be more efficent

[onyx sage]

FI chest is best still, and backpack should be perfect opportunistic and use scorpio shotgun

even non perfect oppo is fine

[frosty rivet]

kinda like overclock tho

[onyx sage]

well if you want more efficient you don't use it

[frosty rivet]

true

thank you btw

[onyx sage]

no worries, i can be blunt

[frosty rivet]

ill live, its what the channel is for anyway

[verbal gust]

Is their a bloody knuckles build? can’t find one in the spreadsheet at all.

[frosty rivet]

I have one I've been experimenting with for a couple years. But as you can see from the recent posts...my builds suck

[verbal gust]

@subtle bluff do I need glasses?

[stark flicker]

4pc strikers lady death claws out (red core) bloody knuckles

[verbal gust]

Thank you. Couldn’t find one sorry.

[astral kraken]

That's what I ran for incursions when they came out. The only place I've ever used bloody knuckles.

[stark flicker]

This build is terrible and I doubt it'll work above hard it plays heavy into the melee aspect

[astral kraken]

Not good for general play. Good for when there's a big boss with lots of health though.

[verbal gust]

It’s an intersting piece for sure

[subtle bluff]

We don't have a specific build for it. It can be throw onto any build in sense. Just keep BK up just rough.

[verbal gust]

Ah I see. Thank you. Was just curious. Haha

[lapis creek]

What's the top 2 talent for the tinker mask (flatline is the 1st talent)?

For PvP...

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

Talent? Craftsman?

[lapis creek]

Ops, tinker mask

[subtle bluff]

ya... context really helps with question.

Then what does Isolation is the 1st talent mean?

[lapis creek]

Update...

[subtle bluff]

Tinkerer isn't that great for PvP. This is much better question in #td2-pvp-discussions

There aren't many good PvP talents that are worth an exo slot over other gear.

[lapis creek]

[agile citrus]

@gentle lichen I luv how if a girls isn't wearing flashy fashion, their wearing something that's as big as a house and shows nothing lol nice spacesuit

It's sitting in my inventory and I'm just thinking, I'll prob never use it over the grey shade one, but it makes a smile when I see it

[buoyant perch]

Take it to #divashion

[agile citrus]

I have decided Eagle Bearer is now in my "fun" viable "skill issue" build category. I want to put a disclaimer. this section of my build stuff, usually come with a skill curve (mantis cough) usually are 7-8/10 optimal with some level of either situational high dps or situational high sustain, both relying on skill isue

[karmic osprey]

i use it with my regen build

[agile citrus]

decided that, its atrocious handling make it bad optimaly, but if you skill it, its fantastic, and Im getting an orbit JUST to make it sexy

the current set its being run into, once an orbit is obtained Ill prob drop a crit mod for a crit dmg

I want it to run semi effectively without orbit, but I also was to put a legitamate lean to swap orbit

[patent fossil]

Personally I like EB for when I'm having trouble surviving (most recently the final area of the new climax mission on solo heroic), so it's compensating for my own skill issues. Striker memento build with a couple of blue cores. Can just facetank everything.
Wouldn't use HH of course, obliterate or intimidate to make the most out of it.

[karmic osprey]

right now im farming some more striker gear to make the backfire haz-pro build for incursion

[agile citrus]

hh is a funny one. so it wont work in master, prob. too hard to get it started. need at 2 low enemys, to max it. but hh multiples your final bullet by 125% since eb doesnt hit 150% hs. also on this specific loadout, there just isnt lot of optimal second arms, just cuz its pretty straight forward. so having a nice side start for farming or carrying comes in handyu

since your last bullet in theory is a hs, it combos nicely. while its not a skill issue for you kttel, I find the kick pretty bad even with stkr/sharpshooter handling combined. also, imo getting 3 kills while teamamtes are killing too adds a skill wrinkle

Im semi considering going for gunner, but if I go gunner I need to add 2 more hs, and... its a toss up

I could also go providence, and use orbit for the ceska drop. add 13% hs, hmmmmm omg needs testing

time to make some SKEGTTI headshot is the red stat

preliminary values. 154% hs on sr-1. I need an orbit, but this is likely final setup. I dont think Ill invest in a crit mod. I want incentive to use orbit so its not wasted. Ill likely put orbit on possible swap. or dtooc. prob Dc just cuz I think a kill is better than .2% swap

in the meantime Ill use harvest on finisher, till I get an orbit.

[patent fossil]

My issue with hh on a striker build is: if you're using an AR or other fast-firing weapon you're giving up the obliterate 20% twd for at most one boosted bullet per enemy, which is a pretty small fraction of your overall damage output.
If you switch to sniper then you're losing striker stacks far faster than you're gaining them, making the gearset pointless.

[subtle bluff]

hazpro for incursion is a waste.

[karmic osprey]

and thats your opinion

[subtle bluff]

my 2k clears with at least half of those teaching or FTC runs and over +250 P. Flawless run.
Teaching what the cleanest and simplest ways to run it all.
Yes, it is my very experience opinion that Hazpro does unless in incursion.

What is hazpro gonna do? Help you tank Wright? When you don't need to tank him at all.

[solid hound]

@grizzled light

[subtle bluff]

You want to lose NBB (Ninja Backpack) at the least here.

[solid hound]

no

[subtle bluff]

In the Build Hub there's a good guide on how to do more DPS.

[karmic osprey]

not everyone wants to run meta builds lmao

[subtle bluff]

You're missing out on A lot of DPS and better ramp for more DPS.

[solid hound]

i'm showing my build to some one, this has gotten me through legendaries/masters. this is exactly the flak i was talking about for running ninja bike backpack lol

[subtle bluff]

Posting in #td2-build-advice without context doesn't help.

[subtle bluff]

With Modifiers yea easy with a team that helped you along.

[subtle bluff]

also to be specific did I say a meta build? Or help to do more?

[agile citrus]

your right. its designed to be a hot swap without swaping.

I use hh purely for sniper. if I didnt use sniper Id run obl. any other gun but because it requires so little resourse to pull off such a high value, to me losing obl and gained a secondary setup is worth it.

Im not trying to convince, just stating to me, trading obl for no hot swap 1 tap, has use

[agile citrus]

chow, can you ask them how much dmg their build does? cuz realisticaly as long as you hit 8-11m, your fine. yes you could do more, but pls allow for creativeity as long as their hitting around 10m

[subtle bluff]

I mean we can math more of it but I doubt they care.

The issues with TS chest it's worse than striker chest in ways.

[agile citrus]

20m is standard for a full meta striker (this is range btw, prob a dps calculator would percent it at like 14m) the point is, it only takes half a meta striker dmg to carry your wieght. thats all

[subtle bluff]

Ya let's not use the range DPS.

[agile citrus]

no, but its about 14m, which means likely if "range" 10m is acceptable, prob dps calucator 7m is acceptable. using hb as a line value is good, because hb is about half striker, and more in line with other builds

[subtle bluff]

There maybe way to use it but without some how making a correct base line it doesn't work. I've tired a few things it just doesn't line up.

[strong cave]

Hazpro for Incursion is pointless. The only places you'll use backfire is against wright and against the lovebirds. plus, hazpro isn't worth taking at all. The only hazards you'll be facing is purple flame. Why nerf your overall damage just to be hazpro? You'll be hazpro to hazards but not to enemy bullets a good defense is a strong offense

The "meta glazers" aren't glazing the meta bc it's "good". It's also because it's efficient

[urban latch]

Backfire (without haz pro) is amazing for tanker as well

[karmic osprey]

im only doing incursion for shits and giggles cause im bored and have all the exotics already

[strong cave]

Try a System Corruption only Dark Hours raid

If you're gonna challenge yourself, may as well go all the way lol. Striker is still striker

[karmic osprey]

i already use striker

[subtle bluff]

The point of using Hazpro for BF isn't really a thing anymore due to it being mostly "YouTube" meta for last season since you didn't need get max bleed resti.

[strong cave]

I know lol. But doing striker hazpro is not any different from taking just normal striker. Only thing you're doing is giving more damage to one build and more survivability to another

[subtle bluff]

The build for hazpro for strikers take out memento iirc and that was the point of using it the build.

[agile citrus]

its diofferent cuz every hzp is a crit dmg slot

[strong cave]

I made mine 2pc Ceska, 4 PC striker, all hazpro with I think 1 or 2 bleed mods. And I'm running glass cannon with zero blue cores

[strong cave]

Exactly like I said, one has more damage and the other has more survivability. That's the only difference between the two builds

[agile citrus]

Im not saying 1 is better. imo I never use hzp cuz the only terrifiying thing is no skill, black tusk ammo and hunter spawn cload

🤔 does hzp work on ammo, specicaly special ammo directive?

[subtle bluff]

You're trading away your upfront dmg (low stacks) for just not bleed which can be dealt with 2 different ways.
But also from mention before he's probably being kind of like you trying to be off-meta guy.

[strong cave]

Hazpro is hazpro. Yes

[agile citrus]

if you had... theoricaly, gunner, scan, maybe, 50/60 hazrpo, rest striker. hm

[urban latch]

This was in context of for the incursion. Haz pro is simply just a reduction with no benefit or survivability in the incursion. It's just a waste.

[agile citrus]

I agree wioth this btw

not enough haz in inc

[subtle bluff]

If you're worried where I have been in the past carrying whole teams with Backfire, Gunner and Palisade AoK kept up thru all of the rebuilding stacks I had to do for it.

20% AoK in Tanker is sooo much

[grizzled light]

Thank you

[subtle bluff]

Are you looking for help with a build?

[agile citrus]

not going to lie, I kinda want palisade red core chest with hh

[grizzled light]

Anything that’s not cookie cutter. I have a ‘meta’ striker and tipping. But looking to expand outside of the norm to see if it’s viable and fun

[grizzled light]

This is my main one, I’ve swapped tardigarde with ridgeways depending on what I’m doing

[subtle bluff]

So from you other post. Mixing up a decent and good game play is really the key to it all. A build and gameplay are 2 sides.

Both those exo chest aren't that great tbh they're are better gear that'll do what you want.

[grizzled light]

I’m down for suggestions for sure, being pre 1k and playing solo mainly I’ve used those to get though clearing checkpoints and invaded. I mainly use refractor for legionaries

[subtle bluff]

Here's a mix of both. I am doing this in one go just to do and you can see how much trouble I do get into but how my gameplay, postioning and build get me thru.

Again striker is just default of course due it being meta overall for DPS. TS is good but it's issues just like what I say about Bluescreen keep those stacks up either shooting or stacking on ads with lower HP isn't simple and it's more effort vs just doing more DPS.

[grizzled light]

Yeah I noticed striker has the best clear time and tipping is more for consistency

[subtle bluff]

If you're in group content TS is more useful.

Same with Bluescreen.

I have love for Bluescreen but with nego.

Not meta for DPS wise.. for the people thing that I'm all about strikers only.. But how the build synergizes with everything works very very well.

Dunno saying it's not Meta but really it is when it comes to situation...

[grizzled light]

Agreed, anything to break the monotony is what I’m looking for. Can’t wait for the 5xp event to finally hit 1k

[subtle bluff]

I get it! There are other builds we just say Striker because it's work at every level of content in the game so just having a the build around to use later is good!

If you go to the Pinned Messages > Sheets > Build Hub. You'll find a ton of good stuff! OD Tinkerere is great!

A build that doesn't need anything stacking it's just at peak DPS the whole time.

[grizzled light]

I need to grind for tinker, so far I only got birdies when we had that crit surge, 4 of us running strikers cleared it quickly

Especially with them enabling old seasonal that were active at the time

[subtle bluff]

That modifier pretty OP for DPS wise. I can carry pretty hard on that master. Manager mission imo is easier.

[agile citrus]

yyyy strikers is almost 2x as powerful as hb (it was before they made hb max at 110% and striker at 185%) the striker set is not only stronger then everything else, but its always optimal at almost all ranges and even compliments most if not all weapon choicse

there are sets that shine in scenarios, but striker is the go to suggestion cuz its not specific to situation. think of it as div is "play your own way" and in a pinch keep a striker set. just in case it gets hard

[agile citrus]

HEAR ME OUT!!!!

I... wanted to use regulus.

[pastel crane]

Finally got the Tempest. Any decent builds for it?

[agile citrus]

its for tinkerer builds