td2-build-advice

[agile citrus]

its not actually that trippy. you use it for one bullet, then as long as you hit anything else, you get gc for free

prob a pistol? like bee?

its an interesting talent. itll introduce, 1 hp runs. I want to see the vids from this. Im actually interested

imagine comnbining with riot foam. or shock, like scorpio.... OMG Im actually excited, f*k worried

I neeeed it queue spongbob meme

CHOW I SWEAR IF YOU COMMENT NO SCORPIO

[subtle bluff]

^^^ This. It’s a free not planned exotic.

[hexed steppe]

more components

[verbal gust]

Well we all love components. I have a feeling it’s going to be viable. Idk why we’ll see. Maybe the infinite seeker mine build? Seems it may be good w skills.

[rich cosmos]

Ive had two separate ideas both of which are less emphasis on actual talent doing something unique

The idea I prefer is having a talent that grants 10% crit chance for every skill tier you have, and 10% crit damage for every armor core you have, the caveat is that it would have 100 more rpm than the base lvoa and 10% crit chance and damage mods, no handling related mods at all, +10 rounds so its a 40 round mag

We really need a new exotic that can slot into a build focused on skill tiers like capacitor

[silent storm]

So an exotic Harmony?

[rich cosmos]

Not really

I came up with it with ninja bike and memento in mind

[silent storm]

So an insta shard exotic

[hexed steppe]

is this new exo supposed to be an amp to all damage, or just weapon damage

[verbal gust]

Amp to all damage

[hexed steppe]

source

[rich cosmos]

The kneepads are specified as amp

[broken edge]

it's a bit vague in the patchnotes

[broken edge]

Receive 600% Amplified Damage from the marked enemy.

Deal 20% Amplified Damage to unmarked enemies.

doesnt say weapon

[hexed steppe]

i get that, doesnt mean its all damage. od is an amp as well, but only for weapon damage

[broken edge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed steppe]

will see very soon tho

[broken edge]

well OD is the ammo that gives the bonus

[silent storm]

20% DMG seems low

[verbal gust]

Yeah it doesn’t say all or not so I guess time will tell

[hexed steppe]

would be much more interesting as something that can be used in a skill build

[agile citrus]

I think its busy waspinator

[verbal gust]

Seems as viable as the mosquito we’ll see haha

[hexed steppe]

amps weapon damage, no?

[broken edge]

had an old suggestion about an rifle that would give +1 skill tier for the sniper turret and buff his damage among other gimmicks

[broken edge]

skills dont get the special ammo, you know what i meant

[silent storm]

They say what the attributes will be on it?

[verbal gust]

Doesn’t the bleed bullets say themselves that it’s amped weapon damage and bleed bullets are for guns?

[subtle bluff]

Too bad there’s no way to get mortar squeezed

[broken edge]

i remember the short funky time it worked with spec weapons, fun times for OD

make that flamethrower cause bleed

[hexed steppe]

thats why i used that as an example

[rich cosmos]

I really badly want an ar or rifle that slots into skill builds (not capacitor)

[verbal gust]

Sentry’s call was my go to for falcons lost until it got nerfed into the ground in div 1 this sorta reminds me of this with OD pre fix lol

[silent storm]

They unnerfed it with MDR

[agile citrus]

there is
mechanic animal? I think. and harmony [test subject]

[verbal gust]

Omg fighting Barrett to get that thing was a nightmare.

[silent storm]

Test Subject

[agile citrus]

in fact, its kinda better? sorta

[hexed steppe]

test subject

[silent storm]

I used Test Subject for a long time until I got Capacitor

[rich cosmos]

Again not what Im asking for

[verbal gust]

My hybrid build

[subtle bluff]

What skill build would be my question first.

[agile citrus]

the effect of test subject, when you shoot an enemy your skill dmg goes up by 20%, if your skill hits, your weapon dmg goes up by 20%, if both hit, you gain dbl. or 40%

can I ask if you not looking for capasitor, and your not looking for an ar or a rifle, what are you looking for exactly?

[subtle bluff]

There’s too much to say here.. I’m just gonna just say.. No.

[silent storm]

I don't understand this build

Are you just trying to keep yourself alive?

[agile citrus]

I asked my dad what the birds and the bees was at 6 yrs old. he told me, some mysterys arent ment to be understood

[subtle bluff]

Even then this is bad way of doing it

[verbal gust]

It’s been deleted for ages it was one of my first builds I made alone it sucked 🙂

[verbal gust]

I’ve let you down chow it won’t happen again. I pinky promise I can be better 😅

[wary crypt]

Why when it comes to control point solo, I feel that short ttk is way much better to neutralize the threat?

The moment you popped the flare all threat goes to you and no matter how great your shield they will chase u down from all angle

I’m saying that breaking the ice the first time you popped the flare is the one determine you able to go through control point or not

I’m running 5 blues and 1 red memento pack

Striker all the time

Not int with tech skill
And my mode always with gun n blazing

I need armor regen combined aok

[agile citrus]

if it makes you feel better, the first build I ever made was all blue heartbreaker, with backpack, and catharsis. it was fun. a quiet memeory Im not correcting that typo of the beginning

[subtle bluff]

Yea your TTK is lower because you’re on all Blue.

[silent storm]

6 Red Core is the only way to play

[subtle bluff]

What does “my mode always” mean?

[verbal gust]

That’s like saying ima play with birdies quick fix and do nothing but res people. Should be a how many revives you did somewhere in the end results of a mission.

[agile citrus]

a lot to unpack here. but I can answer a few. the aggro goes to you, cuz you summoned help. but it would go to you anyway if just shot someone. it more you did something, while solo. the "every angle" is prob cuz your fighting hyenas or black tusks. "surround them" or attack when out of ammo or armor are inbuilt ai tactics. for all factions, but hyenas are based on it. black tusk have it all.

striker blue only works if you pick up memento. the blue doesnt actually protect, no dmg reduction

[wary crypt]

Yeah but how are you gonna be able to survive if you are doing gun n blazing while ads coming from all angles ? Left shield and right drone heal

[cloud laurel]

Solo meaning everything less then group. If an NPC have 10 hp in solo, with 2 ppm 20 HP 3 ppl 30 HP 4 ppl 40 Hp.

[subtle bluff]

Kill them faster.

[agile citrus]

try backing up, keeping the red on the radar in front. peek with a surface close with shield out

[wary crypt]

Hmmkay I’ll readjust again

[subtle bluff]

Bullets hurt. Trying not taking so many bullets the better, is general idea.

[verbal gust]

Iron lung is the way

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung

[agile citrus]

it froze at 7 second 🙁 I had popcorn ready

[wary crypt]

This is my behavior I tend to gun n blazing and rarely take cover

[subtle bluff]

Ya I've hearing my video have been weird. I'll have to re encode them.

[verbal gust]

My striker momento is almost all at 30 il showcase that here later ima do the master climax mission with it.

[wary crypt]

I need to try out more reds.

[subtle bluff]

Something with ths last Discord update has messed with these videos.

[subtle bluff]

I didn't "take cover" in that clip.

[verbal gust]

If your doing control points I got something 4p striker glass cannon ceska chest and grupo backpack with Adrenaline rush if you know the spawns it’s so much easier I use Elmo’s or iron lung

[wary crypt]

The problem I tested multiple times even with shied out knowing you had 5 blues that shiehd also wiped out within 3deconds especially with hyenas holy crap 💩

[agile citrus]

theres a few thing to keep in mind. he used an lmg, which promotes stagger, it also has a burn at 50 clip if you keep firing, and it inflicts suppress, all these things help enemys not fight back. Im not saying its not skill, just mentioning that happens less with ar or smg

[wary crypt]

Is Andrenaline rush good enough to replace memento?

[subtle bluff]

ALSO.. I have to ask. Why does everyone fire their flare off the bat? We have the surprise on our side, why waste it for flare..

[wary crypt]

I’ll watch his video but thanks again for your thought everyone

[silent storm]

No taking cover, that's subjective. Just because you didn't hit spacebar doesn't mean you didn't take cover.

[verbal gust]

If you use momento that’s fine too or if you find yourself too squishy replace glass cannon with obliterate grupo with a max crit dmg mod is good I have 180 cd 55cc on mine

[subtle bluff]

"take cover" I used LOS.

[silent storm]

Litterally what cover is

[subtle bluff]

It's unbelievable.

[wary crypt]

What is LOS

[subtle bluff]

line of sight

[verbal gust]

Its a cover shooter I mean

[silent storm]

Line of Sight

[wary crypt]

LOVE OURSELVES?

Oh sorry

[verbal gust]

It’s ok youl get used to our div talk and acronyms here soon. Trust.

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no. I was using to shoot from just LoS an amount of enemies.

The challenge was not taking cover which I didn't.

[verbal gust]

I wish they would add a fov slider. If they did I can’t find one.

[silent storm]

There is cover and there is concealment. Cover will provide a hard surface that will protect you from LOS and fire. Concealment will protect you from LOS but not fire.

[verbal gust]

You did a magnificent job of not taking cover in cover sir

[verbal gust]

I don’t see concealment in the field manual anywhere. Hmm

[subtle bluff]

wtf concealment? You're trying to bring IRL stuff into a game?

[silent storm]

So you didn't hit CTRL, but you were still in cover

[verbal gust]

Exodus gloves? That poof cloud is annoying and over abundant.

[subtle bluff]

Funny enough it's not spacebar for me.

[subtle bluff]

exo is strong. It was my thing before overdogs.

[subtle bluff]

Idk why you care so much. Go do the challenge yourself without modifiers.

[silent storm]

so space is your parkour?

[subtle bluff]

I did that in one go no retry. why it looked so messy.

[verbal gust]

Same. Idk I like but dislike overdogs idk why. Kinda like damage you don’t notice but things die quicker than you know.

[silent storm]

Overdogs are meta, such good gloves

[subtle bluff]

It's not up all the time but when it is! I love it.

It makes up really quick vs anything else.

[silent storm]

So what do you have in that video Obliterate and NM Edit Momento

I full screened it and saw the talents

[verbal gust]

Sure if you like playing Eenie meenie miney moe with sock puppets go for it.

[subtle bluff]

It’s very basic build. I could have done it on HF too but strikers is bit harder to do so did it on that.

[silent storm]

It's not even that thought out, just kill reds first then purples then slaughter everything else

[subtle bluff]

The point of the challenge is using LoS/tall cover, taking cover isn’t need most of the time.
The other point is how powerful Memento can be with just one stack.

[agile citrus]

@silent storm in division "cover" is a status state

[subtle bluff]

I did not make it point to collect all of them. Hell I don’t think I even thought about it here.

[agile citrus]

it icreases your stability when firing, it offers some inc bullet reduction, and moving cover to cover offers massive invul bullet reduction (not full, just a LOT)

LOS is "cover" only in the literal sense. cover in division is a different thing

cover actually affects several talents as well

[silent storm]

Tell you what though after watching the vid full screen I'll never use LMG Striker again lol. Such unstable LMG on that kit.

[subtle bluff]

lol that’s a wild statement

[silent storm]

Tipping Scales is like a laser

[verbal gust]

But iron lung ? 😢

[subtle bluff]

Gaslighting at its finest there.

[silent storm]

Even with Unhinged Tipping Scales is smooth as silk

[agile citrus]

does tipping scales even boost stability? cuz striker does. so does gunner and sharpshooter

[subtle bluff]

Go do the same challenge with your build.

[hazy steeple]

We all playing nice today?

[agile citrus]

we are. rowdy is just disagreeing.

different opinions make good convo

[silent storm]

Tipping Scales boosts Handling which is Stability Accuracy Reload

[subtle bluff]

It is your opinion and you’re allowed to disagree but stating that out loud like it’s a fact doesn’t prove anything since the video shows otherwise.

[verbal gust]

No tipping scales is a stackable gear set giving you crit damage. Where is stability and handling coming from?

[silent storm]

The talent

[subtle bluff]

CHD and WH is given.

[verbal gust]

Ah missed handling gotcha my bad

[subtle bluff]

Iron Lung WH isn’t that bad even. I may have been tired.

[silent storm]

It's why high capacity Rifles are so good on Tipping Scales

[verbal gust]

Rifles on tipping scales?

[hazy steeple]

Just a general reminder (not targeting anyone in particular), but make sure you use commas where necessary, folks.
It can help clear up a lot of problems.

[silent storm]

Oh yeah they do massive DMG

[subtle bluff]

That’s an opinion.

[agile citrus]

As an AVID ravenous supporter, argueably the best rifle in division.. I agree rifles are bottom teir gun

[cloud laurel]

No

[verbal gust]

It is. Is it an off meta thing? Cause I havnt seen anyone at all use rifles on that set.

[subtle bluff]

I try to remember. English is very much not my strong suit.

[cloud laurel]

Because rifle is suck period

[agile citrus]

you havent seen anyone use rifles outside of harmony (my refactor) or 1886 (headhunter)

[verbal gust]

Well rifles imo are kinda in a space with smgs atm viable but not viable. Just my opinion.

[subtle bluff]

UIC is what he uses right?

[verbal gust]

Eeewwwww

[subtle bluff]

Rifles isn’t bad has a backup weapon.

[verbal gust]

Classic M1A used to be my go to

[cloud laurel]

SMG?? that’s so wrong, we can dual DUA with my backfire if you wanna see how space it is

[subtle bluff]

The 9 sec build up for TS to work with rifle is… 🤮

[agile citrus]

smg is super viabl imo. darkwinter + 100% optimal range, or tactical vector +unwavering and 100% optimal is my favorite. also, oreo still exists along with backfire

[verbal gust]

Backfire was overused and is now overshadowed by the lmg spotlight this season tbf.

[agile citrus]

smg's goodie is high firerate. it builds into stacks so nice

[cloud laurel]

Ring your LMG and we can dual DUA

[verbal gust]

I had a cmmg banshee I used a couple seasons back. It was fire.

[cloud laurel]

Ppl don’t know how to use backfire do t assume its over shadow

[agile citrus]

lmg's dont drop for me. only exo components and lmg alloy and reciever comp. game tough

[verbal gust]

No I know I used it all last season, giving it a break tbh.

[subtle bluff]

Thing of the use of it like striker chest. Where you can striker chest well BF is also probably good.

[cloud laurel]

Bring your LMG and we will see who overshadow who

[silent storm]

Max Tipping Scales stacks against Elite in the shooting range with my UIC

[subtle bluff]

After how long of stacking to get there?

[silent storm]

1 LMG mag

[agile citrus]

trin, it doesnt count if you use elmo. the poor puppet has plot armor. its an lmg with a shield

[subtle bluff]

You’re using a Rifle…

[verbal gust]

He’s ok he’s just a little confused. It’s ok to be confused we’re here to help right chow?

[cloud laurel]

What Elmo? I’m hardly use Elmo since it nerf anyway

[silent storm]

That's the build

[agile citrus]

heyo? les go trin! down with the puppets!

[cloud laurel]

Yes in a raid for incursion but not LEG

[subtle bluff]

I’m use to with this guy. It is what it is. He’s better than others at least.. To a degree.

[verbal gust]

Ok now replace the rifle with an lmg with steady handed replace mask with tinkerer and use TS holster

[subtle bluff]

There is playstyle to use in leggo but that’s neither here or there.

[cloud laurel]

Sure I’m always open challenge, DUA dual leg

[agile citrus]

Im say 1 thing. rpm 271

[silent storm]

I have a build like that

[cloud laurel]

I know but it’s too long

[agile citrus]

imagine if it was like.. x5 rpm

[verbal gust]

You mean too strong. Mistype. It’s all good

[agile citrus]

x4? my b

[subtle bluff]

It’s effort but it works and you can do strats around those players. I’ve duo carried some really bad builds with someone like that.

[cloud laurel]

I’ve used with centurion, pretty fun

[silent storm]

I use this one, Unhinged is only 18% WD but unlike Streamline I can use my skills

[verbal gust]

Like my hybrid build? 🤣

[subtle bluff]

EH.

[cloud laurel]

No, backfire with chest only good for raid and incursion. Some place can be use in leg but not worthy

[subtle bluff]

It’s making your Shield tough enough to take a few things and still having good TTK for a few ads.

[agile citrus]

Iv carried incursion with

[subtle bluff]

But it’s niche to play and build.

[agile citrus]

its not god tier, but it works in a pinch

[verbal gust]

Ew ninja bike. Haha

[cloud laurel]

Striker chest with centurion yes it’s good but the downside of both weapon and centurion isn’t match together

[cloud laurel]

Trash

[verbal gust]

Don’t worry I had a build like that.

[subtle bluff]

I went to click the message and something about incursion carry with nbb….

[astral kraken]

brotha uuuuuuuuuuh

[agile citrus]

WHOA WHOA WHOA lets not compare kids. bad form breh

[wraith zealot]

what a waste of loadout slot.

[cloud laurel]

If you’re staying alive, refactor build can kills all skill dmg with turret and drone

[silent storm]

This is Frenzy and Unhinged with max Tipping Scales stacks

[verbal gust]

Oh no it’s long gone made that like 7 seasons ago.

[agile citrus]

Ima be real. striker x elmo does that

[subtle bluff]

Yay ranage

[wraith zealot]

thank god.

[cloud laurel]

Range isn’t the same as field, u wanna test then go to DUA leg and see how it’s work

[agile citrus]

I still use mine they dont mean it sh, have some milk

[cloud laurel]

Range test they don’t shot back at you lol

[silent storm]

It's what I was using when you kept dying trying to use a Rifle

[subtle bluff]

Lmao what?

[verbal gust]

My frames!

[astral kraken]

try that on a purple minitank!

[cloud laurel]

I have a recorded of it u sure abt that?

[astral kraken]

BRUH

[subtle bluff]

Is that official sir tank?

[verbal gust]

What server I want to witness you and chow in the dz. Long but not ever forgotten moment right there.

[silent storm]

Yeah you died like 3 times with your Rifle build

[subtle bluff]

His rifle build?

[silent storm]

He was trying a Rifle and it wasn't very good

[verbal gust]

Breaking point does a better job with rifles imo

[agile citrus]

theres an old saying in mmorpgs. if your the one dieing, its prob cuz you have aggro.

[silent storm]

His other build though we smashed that

[astral kraken]

based fax

[cloud laurel]

Yeah ik and I didn’t cover like you, I ran rifle build like my SMG

[subtle bluff]

I’m losing context here.

[silent storm]

Yeah ik and I didn’t cover like you, I ran rifle build like my SMG

[astral kraken]

i think at this point context has lost us

[subtle bluff]

And there goes the context!

[cloud laurel]

I’ve never play dps as a rifle beside 1 shot build and to proof to you I can do more than you but you give up and quit after we failed once

[verbal gust]

What are we talking about here? I’m so confused?

[subtle bluff]

YUP that.

[cloud laurel]

I’m still up for rifle vs rifle your build vs mine

[silent storm]

Well I had to quit because I was getting too drunk to play lol

[verbal gust]

Still trying to figure out what we’re discussing?

[astral kraken]

now that's some context

[agile citrus]

Im gonna go solo retal with yellow striker cmon son

[grand girder]

this seems like the weirdest pissing contest ever

[cloud laurel]

He said rifle can be competed in LEG when we said NO

[silent storm]

He also had Exp 30 to my 0 Exp

[astral kraken]

rowdy is like a wrecking ball

[cloud laurel]

So we did a ran, his rifle vs my build normally SMG and I killed his build

[verbal gust]

I feel like I’m being shouted at a million miles away i can hear noise but I can’t understand what’s being said.

[grand girder]

paragraphs exist people, if there is a lot of words to be said just simply put it all together

[verbal gust]

How with no context to the meaning?

[grand girder]

I'm referring to the two going at it lmao

[silent storm]

I mean we did finish DUA a few time decently fast

[cloud laurel]

I have it on vid tho, so on 2nd run I was trying to use rifle with TS but im too adapted of my SMG playstyle which up close to enemy face, like 5M away and he also make a comments saying thats not how you play rifle. Which I am admitted since I don’t play cover to cover

[wraith zealot]

who got stars above their damage in the end? how big of a margin between you two?

all i know is in leg if you do more damage the less you'll be able to do said damage since you got aggro.

[silent storm]

Also my Rifle build was Rifleman Lucky Shot so I needed to stay in cover

[wraith zealot]

which is why i DESPISE people running their sh#t tank build in leg.

[silent storm]

He slaughtered me

But again he was 30 Exp to my 0 Exp

[grand girder]

thats on you for not doing exp tho?

[cloud laurel]

Sigh we can do this again if you want, word are just word

[subtle bluff]

30 and 0 doesn’t make a huge difference. It’s a difference but not that big.

[silent storm]

It's not like I wasn't doing DMG

But he was up front with an SMG

[subtle bluff]

What did say?

[grand girder]

holy shit (yeah that aint just exp difference lmao)

[astral kraken]

xD

[verbal gust]

He’s just saying the difference is marginal compared with 30 exp

[astral kraken]

backpacked

[verbal gust]

How many ads did you shoot?

[astral kraken]

i wasn't there

[wraith zealot]

is this your build? for that leg run?

[agile citrus]

30 expertise is 12% bruh @silent storm

[subtle bluff]

Only his buddies were there.

[verbal gust]

Ahh I see

[wraith zealot]

why arent you using foxs prayer? @silent storm

[astral kraken]

trin is just humble so im posting it

[silent storm]

No that was Rifle run

[subtle bluff]

The gearset yes weapons were different.

[subtle bluff]

There’s more than just that to question let’s be honest here.

[cloud laurel]

This is my alt and not with my main geared I’m only used + 20 BF

[subtle bluff]

The other mini tanks

[verbal gust]

Understood.

[silent storm]

I mean I'll run again with my LMG build I don't care

[wraith zealot]

that rogue ceska piece bothers me the most.

[silent storm]

Trin isn't allowed to use Rifle though

[subtle bluff]

The 2nd thing is that his build is built for modifiers. His words.

[cloud laurel]

This is not my point, my point is that rifle can’t be in a competition for LEG

[silent storm]

Sure not against a SMG face tanker with expertise on it

[subtle bluff]

But hey question! What your opinion of this build? (Pause for clip)

[cloud laurel]

Sigh okay, Inv me I’m in game ima use rifle vs your LMG

[wraith zealot]

i'll say, for TS, you dont rifle for pure rifle, you use it for backup to lmg. Atleast thats how i do it.

[verbal gust]

My cmmg banshee with 30 exp still melts. I love it.

[silent storm]

But when I get into Tier 6 Smart Cover and start stacking TS I complete it

[subtle bluff]

@silent storm how is this build in your opinion then?

[verbal gust]

Can I have an opinion? If I can it’s 🔥

[silent storm]

Bluescreen TS? I like that a lot

[subtle bluff]

TS cannot do what that just did…

[silent storm]

Ahh ND

[cloud laurel]

It’s only +20 BF after I’ve switch over from my main char +30 BF…

[silent storm]

I've been building one of those but haven't gotten all the pieces yet

[subtle bluff]

Remember how you’re doing your build it take you at least ~9s before you’re at peak. So how much longer if everything else up?

If I took 9s to kill 2 things I would have wiped.

[silent storm]

What you mean?

[wraith zealot]

how tipping scales works.

[silent storm]

Oh well things die fast enough on TS

[subtle bluff]

Context road + Rowdy = no where.

How long does it take to get your first 2 kills?

On leg elite soo?

[silent storm]

Bluescreen DMG on TS

let me go see

[subtle bluff]

Why are we go switch and showing bluescreen?

No ask that….

Take your build I don’t really care what weapon you use and w/e use modifiers and go into DUA leggo and kill everything till you get the chopper spawn.

[cloud laurel]

Range vs field are not the same, no one is shooting at you in range test but on the field, a whole new concept of different

[subtle bluff]

What’s funny he use to reply to everyone with something like this. lol

[agile citrus]

Rowdy all the range does is give you a sample of what its max potential can do. the actual dmg will fluctuate. think of it like catharsis, it has "+45%" dmg at full stacks. but you will never see this dmg consistently, so you measure it at like 23.

[grand girder]

this concept is hard for some people to grasp unfortunately

[subtle bluff]

I think the easy thing here is letting him go try this. I can do what I shown in video probably 75% not warmed up.

[agile citrus]

Ima be real. I dont even own tipping scales. I tried to craft it. the crafting bench called me a nub and said git gud

I prob got it in journey. I also prob immediately disassembled it

[subtle bluff]

It's not a bad set by any means.

[astral kraken]

Whenever there's a TS player on my team I can feel the DPS loss. There aren't that many places where you can just hold down the trigger for it to peak.

sir, this is a wendy's

[agile citrus]

ahem

[agile citrus]

anyway. disagree. no elboration.

[grand girder]

elbowration

[agile citrus]

riven your no fun

[hazy steeple]

That's what I call it when someone won't shup up at the movies and you need to give them a silent but firm reminder.

[wraith zealot]

you know what makes you feel dps loss? blue striker facetanking spawn point with big ass shield so no one gets to shoot at npc.

[solar sable]

can I get a Dave's Single?

[silent storm]

Slightly slower but once I'm live nothing touches the ground from the chopper. Need to kill the yellow bomber first then the MG track, then the other track bombers die fast, just need to pay attention for the drones, not that hard

[agile citrus]

fun fact. demo drone breaks lego backpacks

[hazy steeple]

It's worth noting that killing enemies repelling from choppers is easier than on the ground, as their weak points are exposed with no need for you to take cover.

It's also hilarious.

[wraith zealot]

should've jumped instead of rappelling.

[silent storm]

So I just pulse first then once that is done Bluescreen takes care of keeping the rest from shooting me

[grand girder]

get an earthquake everytime a chunga jumps out the chopper

[agile citrus]

I would like to go on record saying as a shield main... I stand slightly to the side tyvm. my duo has some tusks to farm

[wraith zealot]

i think those blue striker do it so gaps between them and proper red core is not so large that it shames them.

"look dude, we arent so different you and i"

[agile citrus]

nah. its cuz they using memento and they getting frustrated

[silent storm]

I feel like you are playing with blue core TS then

[astral kraken]

No. It's because they can't keep their stacks up in hard encounters.

[silent storm]

What encounters?

[astral kraken]

That's my TS build. I use it in places where I can just hold down left click.

[agile citrus]

my favorite is why Im using my strkr hh, and everytime I go into a room to farm the red early, he dies instantly and I turn around and all 3 followed me like a telsa truck on a fiats bumper "um, can I help you?"

[astral kraken]

Most legendary encounters. There are a few places (a long encounter on Tidal, DUA boss room, etc) where TS shines. But most of the time you need burst DPS not sustained DPS which is what TS gives you.

[solar sable]

Bullet Ring

[astral kraken]

So if someone is running TS on my team I can feel their lower burst DPS and encounters take longer. If they get flanked with low stacks they can't win a 1v1 against an enemy.

[silent storm]

IDK man TS is on par with Striker I feel as for ramp up time and only a Striker Chest Striker is putting out more DMG

[cloud laurel]

Hahaha

[wraith zealot]

hehehe

[astral kraken]

Exactly why striker chest is not recommended for most places. It has the same problem.

[silent storm]

I think you missed my point

TS ramps up faster than Striker and does same DMG

[agile citrus]

the fundamental problem with stacks is everything die to quickly to max out. this is why we play on chall+, cuz stacks dont exist lower. also, striker doesnt care about this cuz you can weapon swap off acs12

[cloud laurel]

No, striker don’t lose stack like TS does when reloading

[astral kraken]

Yea striker (without chest) has better stack uptime for sure.

[agile citrus]

it doesnt ramp up faster. a striker chest maxs in a single rock and roll clip

[silent storm]

My Bluescreen puts me at max stacks in 185 bullets

I have 260 in the mag

[agile citrus]

isnt bluescreen like 780 rpm?

[grand girder]

he's probably using the ROF buffs from seasonal i'd imagine

[cloud laurel]

Yes

[silent storm]

I only have 798 RMP on my weapon

[agile citrus]

798 rpm is not going to beat a rock and roll clip

[wraith zealot]

yeah. again. away with ceska in with foxs prayer.

[silent storm]

Naa CHC is better

The kit is a crit kit

[wraith zealot]

im guessing you got DTA on your mg?

adjust accordingly then.

[agile citrus]

10% watch/6 6% cc = 42%, add 1 mod, 48%

oops.

[grand girder]

uhh 6x6 aint 30 xD

[silent storm]

I'll give the full breakdown if you want

But these are the stats

[subtle bluff]

I think I just need to make video comparisons again but for TS Chest vs and not.

[grand girder]

isnt the ratio for chc to chd like 1/3?

[silent storm]

Well I haven't gotten a Ceska GC chest yet

I have this but it underperforms

[subtle bluff]

Even obli would work.

[wraith zealot]

idk what to tell you if you're so set on your ways.

saying chc is better than dtoc is a lost cause.

[silent storm]

The kit is set in it's ways. It's DMG comes from CHD

[wraith zealot]

what makes you think i dont realize that?

[subtle bluff]

It really doesn't. You just think because you're looking at the end number of dmg.

[silent storm]

I'd rather be closer to 60% CHC than 40%

[subtle bluff]

You talking for gear not the weapon right?

[wraith zealot]

yeah, that ceska off piece bothers me so much.

im p sure with foxs prayer that build would do so much better.

[subtle bluff]

In more cases Ceska would be better. But in this case with TS taking CHD from the build to put into CHC isn't bad.

[agile citrus]

fundamentaly disagree

but then I mainly hs, so meh. I guess if your body shotting could make sense

[silent storm]

I HSD as well

Just because it is an LMG doesn't measn you can't pop heads

[subtle bluff]

Taking things out context.

[agile citrus]

not the point. crit doesnt work the same in hs

I understand to a point, due to how ts works. but I just wont ever use ts, and only bakcfire has this inate effect. but backfire has 21% cc and like 15% mod. omg I just had dejavu

just pointing out, if you have x6 6% and 2 6% mods and your watch, you hit 58%, which lets you use FP

[subtle bluff]

Again you're adding your own thoughts to a subject that you don't even know.
And you proof it by saying you won't eve use TS to at least understand it.

[silent storm]

And you have garbage CHD as a base before ramp

[agile citrus]

I assume, it increase your crit dmg the longer you fire, as well as wh

[buoyant perch]

@silent storm it could make sense that

• Crit bucket is saturated with the TS gear set talent so you could change crit mod and minor attributes to CHC instead of CHD to get to CHC cap
• Normally (striker), ceska will win because the crit bucket is not as saturated. We have had the math for that for ages.
• However, unless @wraith zealot has the math to back it up, I'm not inclined to believe it makes a big difference

[silent storm]

But here, this is what you think is good so let's see

[wraith zealot]

up the chc to 50+.

[silent storm]

no

[wraith zealot]

then it wont work.

[agile citrus]

Id like to point out backfire buffs your crit dmg by 200% but the actual dmg per bullet output, isnt quite x2, your crit dmg before

[subtle bluff]

In TS you want to hit the CHC cap.

[wraith zealot]

he dont want to.

[subtle bluff]

Oh... That's dumb.

[agile citrus]

you want to hit the cc, cuz your set takes care of the cd

[silent storm]

I was at 57.5 with the ceska piece you hated

[agile citrus]

just go x8 6% cc

[wraith zealot]

use mg with chc instead of dta.

or yeah, repurpose your set attributes.

[agile citrus]

and dtooc

[cloud laurel]

Sigh soft cap CHC 50% max 60% aim for this goal but why no one wanted to? TS without cap or soft cap CHC isn’t tipping scale but instead tipping Sh1T!

[silent storm]

This dude don't even know that Dttooc is native on LMG even though I posted a pic of my Bluescreen

[subtle bluff]

Someone link him the IKia TS video

[wraith zealot]

i didnt realize its already at chc. why didnt it break 50 when its already chc?

[agile citrus]

quality build

[grand girder]

cause he put fox's on instead of his ceska piece -8%

I'm assuming he isnt running all chc on gear pieces tho

[silent storm]

Ceska is 14% CHC

[agile citrus]

it doesnt matter much. you can figure out what hes using by attributing his watch, inate weapon values and the remaining stat sheet

[grand girder]

yes but you should have chc on the foxs ergo -8% not 14

[silent storm]

Still below 50% and now CHD is taking a toll

Why would I want 90% CHD ?

[subtle bluff]

@silent storm here https://youtu.be/ULGJE476RSA?si=70BAqE81JGpUhCz-
Very in-depth with some gameplay of Tipping Scales. It's long.

[agile citrus]

9.5+10, 19.5, +6 x4

[wraith zealot]

is this full ramp damage on your ceska build?

[buoyant perch]

basically you don't want too many eggs in one bucket of damage, you already get tons of CHD from the gearset already

[subtle bluff]

Let him go watch that. It'll explain it in a better form for him.

[agile citrus]

can we take a moment to sink this in. to cap out, he shoots 183 bullets at 798 rpm

[grand girder]

"It would take approximately 13.9 seconds to shoot 185 times at a rate of 798 rounds per minute (rpm)."

[agile citrus]

theres a reason I chose the bluescreen as my off chungus build

O. M. G. jaksdfhaskjfshgfjk PESTI for chungus hive

[grand girder]

but then again dont most TS users have like gr9 or some shit for fast firerate?

[agile citrus]

I dont have to use VILE I have an EXO slot
time to cook
-_- I forgot, I use bluescreen with vile cuz its the special move of dua boss

[scenic whale]

Isn’t TS also kinda weird since it only cares about time spent shooting not actual bullet count. I swapped off TS cause I tracked my bar and most rooms ends before I’m even at like 30% ish of the bar (no chest piece)

Like one of my meme builds is hold down cooler hip fire then go into a room with a rifle (it’s purely for shits and giggles)

[agile citrus]

I like using 1886 hh with shield and not aiming down sight. am lazy

[wraith zealot]

would be too strong if it was bullet count no? just hold of frenzy reload in between encounters.

[scenic whale]

Maybe, but it’s not like strikers is particularly hard to ramp either. That or I get to enter rooms with a full mag of OD and that also still works with frenzy fine

Just feels like I’m hard gimping my own damage to play TS unless I’m playing chill rounds with super uncoordinated friends

[agile citrus]

😂 someone reading this is not confused who this is

[scenic whale]

When it does fully ramp it slaps quite hard (had some fun with it in Paradise Lost) but most normal content even CP door camping they just die before I ramped

[wraith zealot]

drawbacks must be made for it i guess.

stacks decay is too fast tho.

[scenic whale]

Tho my perception of TS is also likely warped because of the retaliation RoF and dps boost

[subtle bluff]

This. Reason why it sucks sometimes.

[scenic whale]

Im gonna miss sanitation, was such a fun active to play around

[subtle bluff]

That's a thing.

[wraith zealot]

makes you want to play striker.

TS big numbers are pretty but its such a hassle

[subtle bluff]

Why I do I play strikers mostly. TS will go on for leggo or group stuff.

I just haven't and won't learn a new way to play with TS where the striker is easier to use. TS does hit hard when you're able to hold the trigger long enough

[wraith zealot]

bait your teammate and blind firing from cover is my go to.

wont work when their build is too shite to draw aggro tho.

what would be a fun rifle combination for tinkerer ts?

rifleman boomerang?

[astral kraken]

Ranger maybe?

[wraith zealot]

over boomerang? that could work.

the rifle in use must be stable enough to hit target at range tho.

otherwise it'll take over rifleman so theres no dead talent.

[astral kraken]

Hmm yea. I guess whenever I use Ranger I'm using the rifle as a back up on a crit build.

With the primary being an AR or SMG.

[wraith zealot]

rifle, the true backup boomstick.

[rich lotus]

is 1.2m armour a lot?

[astral kraken]

Depends on the context. What your going to use the armor for?

[rich lotus]

i only just started and am wondering if thats a lot thats all

[astral kraken]

Gotcha. It's sort of mid. A lot of armor is like 2 million. But armor doesn't protect you too much in this game even if you have a lot of it.

[rich lotus]

ah gotcha

[astral kraken]

Because when you add armor you are giving up damage. The more time it takes to defeat enemies the more time they have to knock you out.

[rich lotus]

ah

gotcha ty

[astral kraken]

np! Make sure you check the pinned messages for build recommendations. It makes starting out way easier once you reach level 40.

[rich lotus]

i say just started im shield level 2 so i kinda now what ma doing

i did buy a boost tho from the store

[astral kraken]

Well the real game starts at 40 so you skipped all the boring stuff 😛

[wraith zealot]

hit countdown and good luck agent.

[cloud laurel]

My rifle hit 3.7M head dmg

[wraith zealot]

what rifle are you using?

[cloud laurel]

The artist

Pretty fun with centurion and TS

[wraith zealot]

artist jumps around a lot isnt it?

do you have a hard time landing shots at range?

[cloud laurel]

Not if u roll weapon handle

Hope pretty easy

Join us, we are doing DUA test build atm

[wraith zealot]

im doing something else atm. Go on w/o me

[silent storm]

Good stuff so far, bout an hour in and he has confirmed a lot of stuff I have been saying but also gave some good advice about other things I haven't even thought of. I subbed to this dude, it's weird he never came up before in my Division algo.

[subtle bluff]

Theirs only a few YouTubers that only want to help and don't care for views or subs. He's one of them.

[silent storm]

Yea but I have watched people exactly like this in the past

[subtle bluff]

Idk what that means.

[silent storm]

The guys that pull out the spreadsheets and compare the math

[subtle bluff]

Ya who else?

[agile citrus]

I'll have you know my backup broomstick with dtooc and brazen takes offence. He has one tapped many a head armor in the tummy

[marble chasm]

is backfire+mementto HazPro striker build still good? just got back

[buoyant perch]

^that's against the rule about naming people or whatever

[heady marten]

oh then my bad

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no? Don't think it was ever super amazing.

[silent storm]

Farming for Ceska and end up with this

[heady marten]

chow ur sniper build + shroud is apparently too no skill and for babies i gotta use something else

[heady marten]

what would you do with this

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot or the MA thing?

[heady marten]

hotshot HH determined + shroud and white death yeah

[subtle bluff]

They an go cry a river tbh

[heady marten]

the guy went down after solo pushing a kill squad and i wiped them all out and thats when he started screaming at me

like sorry i revived you or something im just playing a build that was put in the game

[subtle bluff]

Lol

[heady marten]

he was using bullet king or something and died like 20 times

[cerulean smelt]

@subtle bluff Sheparding is going to be fun

[heady marten]

level 15k just to be toxic 😔

[cerulean smelt]

you spelled idiot wrong

[heady marten]

get this man a true

[subtle bluff]

bloated 7k I bet

[heady marten]

i just hit 320

oh i also got memento crafted i didnt even realize i could craft it

[cerulean smelt]

what mrchow is saying they probably got 8k legitly but 7k through exploits

[heady marten]

exploits like my for babies sniper build? lol

[cerulean smelt]

with realtion release it's been a new thing

[heady marten]

memento sounds like a brawler exotic

[cerulean smelt]

no much worse

[silent storm]

@wraith zealot #td2-build-advice message This build is ok, I'll be honest though, it does way more for my Rifle than it does for my LMG.

Gonna have to say that my ceska piece is better than fox.

[wraith zealot]

ok.

[heady marten]

wait i dont remember doing this, what is this, is this something i should go get?

[buoyant perch]

well we have to do the math for that to be sure but I'm sure it's not a big difference

[pastel basin]

Anyone have a really good run and gun solo build?

[subtle bluff]

HF?

[wraith zealot]

any non sniper 1 shot build should work. But you cant use quickstep most of the time...

[solar sable]

if you want a HHF setup with DCH (Dodge City Holster as the image states) then yes

[cerulean smelt]

you'll get a holster exotic

[astral kraken]

Definitely get it! It's awesome.

Get a Regulus too. One of the most fun things to do in the game IMO.

[heady marten]

that sounds like a raid weapon

[wraith zealot]

ngl i have that gunslinger+regulus build, but i dont know about the gameplay loop. Care to share how its supposed to be played? @astral kraken

for overall PVE like mission and CPs. Video is nice too

[astral kraken]

Yea let me cut you a clip real quick. The best place to practice IMO is Capitol mission on Heroic.

[wraith zealot]

most of the time i feel like gunslinger is only there for hs damage and handling stat.

i just go back to my harvest determined if i feel like playing with pistol.

[heady marten]

Cassidy gameplay

[subtle bluff]

I have one I haven't upload yet.

[astral kraken]

@wraith zealot I played this very badly but it's from today so quickest to get. Basically you try to push spawn points and then just nuke everything that tries to walk out of the door.

@wraith zealot Here's another. There are lots of places you can do it.

[wraith zealot]

yeah see, that's what i said, idk what's the purpose of the gunslinger and what makes it better compared to full HE pistol build.

[astral kraken]

Oh for the first shot. If you don't mess it up (like I tend to do!) then that first shot will get chainkiller started for you.

It's also good for when you've lost stacks and there's a chunga around. You can switch to your MMR or shotgun for a bit then once DCH is charged up you can pop the helmet.

Basically it gives you a pocket nuke for when you need it. Either to get chainkiller started, pop a heavy helmet, kill a minitank, etc.

[wraith zealot]

but most of the time its gonna sit there unused right?

i saw what it can do in raids but idk if gunslinger is it for regular mission.

maybe i'll try it again later. Could also be me being impatient on lining up the shots.

i'll see what happened if i slow it down a little.

[astral kraken]

Ummm it really depends on what build you're using it on actually. For a regulus headhunter then yea it's only there to start the fight or get out of a bad spot when you need it.

But on this build I actually use it a lot. Open world, missions, everything. The main weapon is the 1886 but I'm always switching to the regulus for a quick pop when the opportunity presents itself.

[wraith zealot]

yeah this is my build exactly, minus the shotgun.

[astral kraken]

Yea it's like every time you see a clump of enemies, reg them real quick.

[solar sable]

yummy build, I'm saving it for later

[astral kraken]

When the 1886 gets goin it's oh so so so so good. Feels like cheating lol.

[solar sable]

who doesn't love variety? I do, so I'm using it once I get the chance to play

[astral kraken]

@wraith zealot For solo play HFF is just better though. Enemies are so much weaker that you don't even need a DCH to get things going.

[solar sable]

Chow, stop spying.

[subtle bluff]

[cloud laurel]

Here’s my rifle build

[subtle bluff]

I posted my OD rifles.

While ago here I think I tagged you

[cloud laurel]

1 healer 3 dps

[subtle bluff]

modifiers?

[cloud laurel]

Yes

[agile citrus]

breh, the 1.3m spray with obl striekr. I forgot how broken striker/elmo was

Im absolutly putting elmo back in stash after novelty wears off
(this was in cd, but this isnt relevant, even without cd buff, elmo olb hits 1m easy, with chest I tihnk it goes to 1.4m? or 1.5. I forget)

[shy willow]

Being in countdown is absolutely relevant to damage numbers

[urban latch]

If your seeing higher than expected numbers in countdown it's probably the countdown modifiers

[shy willow]

8 players, group buffs, counter measures etcetera

[agile citrus]

cd does buff. however 1m is normal for elmo obl striker

will get a screenshot outside of cd to show. but Im sure everyone already knows anyway

its fine if its the range. this is pretty normal cuz elmo is just pretty op in terms of stability and uptime

the backpack was memento, I could put FP on or ODs but the point is made with a "blank" piece

I made a claim about striker chest. I wanted to keep accuracy. Im pretty good with stat consistency without testing dont ask pls but ods impressed even me at 1.8m

unlike bloody knuckles, or coyote mask, od's is something Ill keep in stash for raiding helping

it is good. Im just going to refuse for normal gaming. cuz I perfer to not kill everying in .5 seconds. I like play with my food. just a lil

[heady marten]

Alright gents im actually making another build today, probably a skill build but im not sure if i want to go with the healing/buffing or with the dps drone

is there a hive build anywhere

[agile citrus]

skill builds are pretty consistent because the arent that many skill attributes

one of the reasons yeller strkr is a thing, is after apply yellow, you kinda have the shebagn, with just not the attriute bonus. such as skill effiency, skill haste and/or skill dmg

[heady marten]

yeah i figured

is there a build that combines skill with shield

or does shield work with blue gold and blue cores

[agile citrus]

the more you make builds, the more youll notice, how you play them means more than what their made of.

"optimal builds" will often do 1 job very well. but if you just like playing, sometimes you can just goof.

@hexed steppe can you give ex your big shield x seeker mine build pls? Im not good at skil builds

[heady marten]

ooh, is this a build i could convert into a shield + hive?

[hexed steppe]

I dont normally run that. But for hardwire its for seeker spam where shield triggers the feedback loop talent. Hive won't be a good skill unless using the hive as the trigger . Hardwire geared to spam, something like my mortar build would be good for damage hive.

What is the intent? Skill dps?

[hexed steppe]

I would look into refactor maybe. Heal with skill damage so good support

[agile citrus]

someone said refractor x mortar is good. Im not a mortar player so no idea

[tulip charm]

Isnt refractor the skill healer gearset

[hexed steppe]

Its probably decent. Personally i just use drone/assault turret for consistent, constant damage. Mortar is a lot of burst

[hexed steppe]

Yes, heals from damage output

[tulip charm]

Oh

[hexed steppe]

Its a good set

[tulip charm]

Oh right does the bleed from mortar count as part of the skill damage?

[hexed steppe]

That's a good question but I dont know the answer

[tulip charm]

Actually I should play the game instead 😭

[hexed steppe]

It does trigger empathic resolve so there is some funny interactions

[tulip charm]

I see

[strong cave]

5 piece striker meta

💯

[fringe sundial]

i just came back to this game and i have astriker build going on is this good ?

and i have been trying to find players to in dark zone but no one is it dead or something ?

[meager fog]

Darkzone is split by SHD groups, its almost empty until you hit 1k

[heady marten]

i dont have an intent really, i just want to use the shield to be a tank and also be able to heal people if i dont feel like doing dps like im normally on

[fringe sundial]

1k???? how long will that take lol

[meager fog]

Depends how fast you are at levelling, the difficulty you play on and how many directives you can handle.

During a x5 xp event it can be done in a day of grinding.

One of my clan members did 400+ SHD levels in a 19 hour marathon the other day

[fringe sundial]

Damn bro, I don’t think I’m built like that for the game since I don’t even know exactly what to do,or even starti

[fringe sundial]

My guy was on a mad marathon

[dense plover]

With 5x XP a control point will give you around 5 levels

[fringe sundial]

Wait is that 5xp on now ?

[dense plover]

27th November

[fringe sundial]

Oh ok mad then I’ll do it then

[dense plover]

Give me 2 secs and I'll share the secret tech

[heady marten]

yeah i just turned my second modifier on, special ammo and fog seem the chillest of the two

[fringe sundial]

secret tech ?

[dense plover]

So if you don't want to be min/maxed with being optimal then go with this

• Challenging World Setting
• At least 2 Directives ( Add more if you're comfortable )
• Go to the Attic Safe house ( In West End )
• Run down to Sleeping Giant Control Point ( In Foggy Bottom )
• Clear it, loot field and reset Control Points

Pestilence will do a great job for Challenging.

You'll get 4-5 levels per run during 5x XP

[fringe sundial]

done done thank you sir straight out

[heady marten]

as for the two directives, fog and special ammo are the easiest two right?

[dense plover]

If you want to min/max then I'd go with a sniper build
Determinded on the weapon
Headhunter on Chest
Vigilance on backpack
4 piece Hotshot
Max out Headshot damage on everything

[fringe sundial]

oh yeh is it possible to transform my SHD level to my other character Well basically every little thing on this character to my new character

[fringe sundial]

thank you bossman im litertally saving all this lol

[dense plover]

I run Fog of War, Cool Skills and Special Ammo

[heady marten]

yeah but doesnt cool skills basically render a reviver useless

[dense plover]

If you're using the sniper headshot build no. You basically don't use skills at that point.

[heady marten]

I mean I use the decoy with mine

[dense plover]

Then drop cool skills. It's a little less XP but if you're okay with that then I don't see why not

[heady marten]

i just enabled the second one lol, ill try it out later

im usually fighting hyenas cuz of how my map has been so the decoy helps with rusher spam

[dense plover]

Tbh I just use the sniper build with Handbasket so it's been a while since I used skills on that CP tbh

[heady marten]

ive been loving shroud

[dense plover]

This build you don't want to use a scope as there is a bit of a cheese to it

[heady marten]

just threw this together for shield skill, gonna see if i can get a better rolled setup cuz this one is for a diff build

[dense plover]

If you use a holo sight when your crosshair goes from white to red it means you'll hit the target and with Determined up any hit will count as a headshot

[heady marten]

ye i use a holo with secondary white death

[dense plover]

If you want to commit to the CP farm I highly recommend trying to get a Handbasket

[patent fossil]

Yes, all characters share shd level, except hardcore ones

[magic pilot]

There's a new Acs-12 in the expertise menu 👀

[patent fossil]

There is a pinned guide in #ask-td2-community for shd xp farming btw

[heady marten]

ooh i see it

[agile citrus]

not relevant, but hardcores share their own shd.

if you get to 40 on HC, any shd gained will be returned to you, if you make another hc and get it to 40

[patent fossil]

Yeah, I actually consider that a bit of a shame

[heady marten]

i shouldve saved all my other setup backpacks i got.. man

setup only drops from named caches right

[magic pilot]

No it drops like normal

Can get the blueprint from control point crates too

[heady marten]

oh so, backpack focusing it is

my technician isnt LEVELED

[magic pilot]

Target uzina

Uzina only has 2 named items in the pool, backpacks has 30+

[hexed steppe]

I would look into something like foam eclipse or refactor then. Neither will allow you to tank, but tanking actually hurts your team.
Solo tank you can use foundry bulwark but its very slow to clear when tank

[heady marten]

i made a temporary hybrid build with future initiative with the matador backpack and btsu gloves running repair hive and its working pretty well

i can comfortably stand in front of everyone else and not get nuked while making sure they stay behind me for heals

[heady marten]

im kinda glad i didnt see this cuz i wouldnt have gotten a new exotic backpack from this countdown run lol

just got exp level 6

[spring vortex]

what exotic should i chase for a heartbreaker build?

[rich cosmos]

Another damage exotic ggagggrrrrarrarraa!!!!

Seems interesting tho

What does this mean

Im confused

[spring vortex]

probably means the ally buff will take priority over the skill buff if you are near an ally and skill

[rich cosmos]

Oh okay

So 60% crit damage 3% armor regen and 30% skill efficiency for just being close

[heady marten]

thats a cool exotic

[rich cosmos]

Whats skill efficiency again?

[spring vortex]

that perfect obliterate chest loots nutty i can't wait to get it

[heady marten]

oooh? do tell, what is it called

[heady marten]

every striker build boutta get a nice upgrade

[spring vortex]

gives 5% rof buff at 1 piece too

i think i'm gonna try that chest and catharsis with heartbreaker

or coyote

[cloud laurel]

That’s not how healer does, try that in LEG and say it again lol. Also FI fully buff when you are at full armor, If you’re taking dmg, FI buff will go away. I thought I saw a setup backpack you have it earlier

[magic pilot]

Eh not really

The rof is better for non striker builds

Immobilize is gonna be super good with tinkerer builds, that's gonna be standard for coordinated groups

[rich cosmos]

Wait are both named items the same brandset?

[magic pilot]

Yea they usually are

[rich cosmos]

Might run the new kneepads with the lvoa on umbra

[magic pilot]

The exo?

[rich cosmos]

The named item

[heady marten]

Yeah it doesn’t have good rolls for skill so I’m getting another one

[rich cosmos]

The named kneepads might actually be goated for rifles

New exotic rifle is whatever I guess

[magic pilot]

That's holster

Its not as good when used with stuff that gives rof

[rich cosmos]

Oh

[rich cosmos]

Is the pts already live?

[magic pilot]

No

[rich cosmos]

Idk seems like itll be good to me but can’t use it till it releases

The new rifle is cool I guess but like, its exactly what I don’t want to use, pretty the rifle that it is also doesn’t have full auto

Yeah no thx

Also wait didn’t they already make its exact gun an exotic that is also healing based wtf?

[tulip charm]

WAIT IS THAT GEARSET SENTRY 2.0?

Oh wait Im restarted

😭

[rich cosmos]

It is really funny how making this rifle this gun specifically and require headshots has immediately killed its usage on console likely

[magic pilot]

Yea tbh it could've just been a doctor home rework

[tulip charm]

yeah

Idk whos in charge of the exotic department atm

[rich cosmos]

Also once again ignoring the high capacity rifles*

This would have been a fantastic chance to use them since its a healing exotic

[tulip charm]

ig its one of those filler exotics before releasing a meta one

[rich cosmos]

Legit just make it so it works on crit too

Remove the last part of the all headshots and just add stacks on crit too

Having an exotic thats only purpose is to heal should be much easier to use for everyone

Someone whos good at consistently hitting headshots is not using this bro

[tulip charm]

Hmm

Ig I can see a party using intimidate

and relying on the guy to maintain the buff

[rich cosmos]

I just think if someone wants to be a healer, they should be given a really good reason to be one

[tulip charm]

pvp gun ig

[bright raptor]

that feeling has been hard to shake since the resumption of seasons, especially with Sacrum Imperium

[rich cosmos]

I think they just flat out don’t know what to do with rifles

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQDPQLx10QG7mwu5kNSqLZZFPyuT9L5M3I0sQ5gsbzE/edit?usp=drivesdk

Killer vs immobilize

[rich cosmos]

Why would you use this gearset when you could use striker

Like yeah sure stack decay but you need enemies to die to even get the stacks in the first place

Why is there even a decay at all if it requires enemies to die

Its a damage build that needs teammates to help

Unless the chest or backpack talents are realllly good I don’t see the point

[cerulean smelt]

chest might incrase the marked targets from 3 to 5 i'm gonna guess
raid might help?

backpack might go from 3% to maybe 5% 7% if we're lucky

[rich cosmos]

5% for every single person shooting would be kinda crazy but thats still kinda outdone by striker

[magic pilot]

It's not very good either

[rich cosmos]

What if it gave skill repair on top of damage?

[cerulean smelt]

5 x 35?

[magic pilot]

But it depends on the chest+ backpack

[rich cosmos]

Like what if every stack granted like 12% skill repair

[dense plover]

This next season exotics?

[rich cosmos]

Can’t see what image your replying to but probably

[rich cosmos]

My personal change would be adding on like 12% skill repair for each stack or just have the stacks not decay at all until encounter ends

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u1PbDkTVcV7sqJj2mT1v3gRFbZLT2ipPMBrENoof1ts/edit?usp=drivesdk

Vigi+pgc+killer

[cerulean smelt]

so ninja bag, 3 strikers and 2 Unit Alloys new meta?

[magic pilot]

For pipe breaker 3 unit+ 2 striker + ninja yea

[cerulean smelt]

Elmo main?

[magic pilot]

The named famas from the hunters I think

[cerulean smelt]

with the frenzy?

[magic pilot]

Yea

[cerulean smelt]

i'll be excited to try out that named chest with perf oblit 🤤

[magic pilot]

Glass❤️

[cerulean smelt]

dunno how i feel about bittersweet though lol. having a reason to shoot your teammates?

there going to be any use of Sheriff?

[hazy steeple]

1-shotting a building.

[magic pilot]

Depends if they add attachments to it

[silent storm]

Perfect Kinetic Momentum when?

[magic pilot]

Where it's at right now there's no point in using it, 100% accuracy doesn't do anything

[cerulean smelt]

you mean fall off?

[magic pilot]

No accuracy

It has no fall off, but it's not accurate to hit anything from range

[cerulean smelt]

oh nm, the no fall off is right below it lol

is accuracy what reduces the pellet spread?

[magic pilot]

Yea

It would need like 800% accuracy to be a beam

[rich cosmos]

Is there no master exotic?

[cerulean smelt]

so visionario, eagle's grasp and Hunter's Fury?

[rich cosmos]

Did they not show off a master exotic for next season?

[cerulean smelt]

i thought at the end they mentioned something was going to be the climax?

[rich cosmos]

As long as it isn’t the new chest Im good, the new chest exotic is very intriguing

Still feel like its missing something tho

[cerulean smelt]

oh no, they were just saying the kneepads were in the climax today

[rich cosmos]

I meant next season

[magic pilot]

The shotgun

[rich cosmos]

Oh so the named item is the drop neat

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i know, i caught them at the tail end and heard them mention climax mission, but didn't hear before that what they mentioned

[cerulean smelt]

exotic shotgun wasn't it?

[magic pilot]

The shotgun is exotic

[rich cosmos]

Oh the place holder model confused me

[magic pilot]

It has no weapon mods on the pts too

[rich cosmos]

New chest exotic is cool but like, I feel like its way too focused on damage and not enough on actual support play, like 3% armor regen is cool but not for pve

[winged prism]

my god

[magic pilot]

Mid

[winged prism]

600% is kinda wild

[magic pilot]

Just mark a drone lol

[carmine bridge]

it's sheriff

oh boy

[magic pilot]

#rule 6

[silent storm]

is that rule 6 though?

it's a known issue

[magic pilot]

Definitely would be considered an exploit

[silent storm]

I would be surprised if they aren't disabled

[patent fossil]

I'd avoid publicising it, although of course anyone who actually tests them is likely to figure it out pretty quickly

[heady marten]

the new meme exotic is out?

[silent storm]

YT is going to have a gazillion new OmDz NeW DetErmiNed BuILd jUstDropPed Farm this now!!!1!!ELEVEN!!1

[heady marten]

emphasize the ELEVEN

30billion damage to that red bar hiding in the corner please

[silent storm]

Good thing they are knees so Turmoil can't be used with them

[rich cosmos]

Bad news is they are knees so I once again don’t have an excuse to use cloak

[silent storm]

Is there a gun called Dagger?

[rich cosmos]

Basically all the new gear coming is cool on paper but needs changes

Chest exotic being the only one that might be fine on its own

[magic pilot]

Immobilize is really good

[rich cosmos]

Isn’t there only one way to apply that status effect tho

[silent storm]

Grenade and Skill as far as I know

[magic pilot]

Foam yea, CC player

[rich cosmos]

Yeah anyways I really hope they are willing to change of bunch of the new stuff, new rifle should use crits not headshots

Hell could use both but not just headshots, new gearset needs a pretty large change

[magic pilot]

We don't know chest or bp talents yet so it's hard to say

Definitely not topping strikers (thank god)

[rich cosmos]

I still think either the decay timer should just not exist or it should give skill repair too

Doesn’t really matter how fast those stacks can be gained, its still based off killing and that hurts its performance

Maybe one of the talents massively increases the damage but I doubt it

[tight gust]

so right now im running pestilence with tipping scales and ninjabike for some extra gear set bonuses, idk if tipping scales is the best option for pestilence so im asking here for any other options

[cloud laurel]

Not with ninja backpack, TS require backpack for the CHD, that’s the purpose using TS, Or others had used HE.

[tight gust]

noted

[meager fog]

New named CHest for Y7S3 looks nice for strikers. 1pc bonus +5%ROF and Perfect Obliterate

[subtle bluff]

There’s a pesti guide in the build hub

[tight gust]

if possible can you point me towards the build hub?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Sheets > Build Hub

[violet juniper]

Huh?

Perfect obliterate is finally becoming a thing?

[broken edge]

I will claim responsability for that exotic shotgun, years of posting screenshots and other data regarding range and accuracy spread cor shotguns is going to pay off

[meager fog]

Yes, on the named chest for the new season set.

[coral reef]

thank you for your service

[broken edge]

Yeah, new brand that gives 5% rof and i think it stacks up to 24 now the perfect version

[tight gust]

new shotgun looks sexy

[solar sable]

how does it look like?

[violet juniper]

I need the patch notes stat lol

[meager fog]

New season set 1pc - 5%ROF, 2 pc +20% AR damage, 3pc +50% magazine size

[broken edge]

Patchnotes on thursday

[violet juniper]

All I've seen so far is the new kneepads that are broken as we typically expect from ubish#t

[meager fog]

The Sherrif?

[broken edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489834801700929536/1437829524573261987/image.png?ex=6914aa98&is=69135918&hm=eea269a9a68e51004f6bc273e433904264252b273ff6d64f237a5aeb53ce0396&

[tight gust]

ye

[broken edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489834801700929536/1437829010947047645/image.png?ex=6914aa1d&is=6913589d&hm=e72eada1d9f5153043f40a4cc072eaed531c42e0dfeea6f24a92a841cf1173e3&

[meager fog]

Does look nice, and no damage fall off is pretty insane

[broken edge]

well it was the two things that killed shotguns from having any effective range

[tight gust]

i wanan see what the spread on it looks like though

[violet juniper]

What's that Bittersweet gun?

[meager fog]

It's crap

[tight gust]

rifle that does healing if im not wrong

[violet juniper]

that's not what I asked

[broken edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489834801700929536/1437828666905202758/image.png?ex=6914a9cb&is=6913584b&hm=d28f88ba809506a00285d1ee49a4f00b189a6547d1772a0784a2084f388dc6f4&

i mean guaranteed headshots is pretty good

[violet juniper]

So a healing rifle counterpart to doctor home

[coral reef]

eh dedicated healers will find it useful

[fiery gust]

That Lockdown shotgun have anything interesting?

[violet juniper]

eh, could be useful. What's the new gearset?

[broken edge]

it is a weird funky

lockdown just has perfect talent that is extra damage to snared enemies

like sadist and so on

[fiery gust]

Ah, sad.

[violet juniper]

Also, exotic chest? What's that about lol

[broken edge]

gives bonus to all stats to allies nearby

[meager fog]

Bascially a chest version of the Coyotes mask, that grants skill efficiency and armour regen

[broken edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489834801700929536/1437829200366276752/image.png?ex=6914aa4a&is=691358ca&hm=fb7904231df04a8dc902c8f2ee900fa8106d5ff048487fd8f9e661a03e1f368d&

[meager fog]

and crit damage to allies

[violet juniper]

That's... Not bad

[broken edge]

there's a named holster

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489834801700929536/1437829392356081818/image.png?ex=6914aa78&is=691358f8&hm=175fc7ff9646b9c093632e2cf811e0ebc6137b790b6172e6b6569bf2c01fa3fa&

that does give even more rof

[fiery gust]

Some interesting items.

[violet juniper]

That's not a bad gear set, compared to what they've put out recently

[broken edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489834801700929536/1437829626880852180/image.png?ex=6914aab0&is=69135930&hm=130a7173b285236dfea5d97ff5ac551f17b963a25362a90c8a83e7854be8f594&

[violet juniper]

at least they haven't clearly hit the randomize button and just gone with it this time

[meager fog]

It's an AR version of Lengmo basically. Looks decent

without the horrible grind lol

[broken edge]

well most of the last releases have for hybrid builds that acts like a water spray on a cat face to the community

[violet juniper]

That's crap

[broken edge]

it's weird

also not much into it

because while you can get a somewhat big bonus

seems unreliable

[violet juniper]

hybrid skill/DPS set or a weird DPS/support set

[broken edge]

but you will have a companion now on the season

[meager fog]

Ngl, i'm not a fan.

THe allied AI is bad enough for CPs without having one follow me everywhere lol

[fiery gust]

The friendly NPCs are actually the worst piece of the game.

[broken edge]

you will have more control

to the point you can point to cover or enemies for them give priority, have passive modifiers and an active skill

[meager fog]

Yeah you can direct them etc but honestly...seems a season I probably won't pay much attention to

Not my kinda thing

[broken edge]

i will be interesting to have an more "active" modifier

cause i found the kelso one kinda boring actually

[fiery gust]

Division 2: Season of Sims. 😂

[broken edge]

it was just free damage for playing the game

[meager fog]

I wonder if the allied companion will take all the credit for finishing a mission like Kelso...

[coral reef]

if i have a mine following me at all times, do you think it counts for the buff?

[broken edge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager fog]

Yes, anything this season that says allies also counts for companions. They mentioned that in the stream

[fiery gust]

If it's within 10m, it should based on the wording.

[broken edge]

skills proc the weaker effect from the description

[coral reef]

yeah, free 10% chd at all times

[fiery gust]

They should have made them stack somehow.

[broken edge]

a healing drone is a good long duration passive thing that is always on you

[coral reef]

even better than the mine

[rich cosmos]

The new chest exotic seems intriguing but it doesn’t give enough towards skills

[meager fog]

The AR set looks nice, the exo shotty looks nice.

Everything else i've seen so far, eh.

[coral reef]

the exotic shotgun looks like a beast

what do you mean NO BULLET DROP OFF? sounds OP

[meager fog]

Depends on the spread

[fiery gust]

Pellets probably go left, right, up, and down immediately out of the barrel lmfao.

[meager fog]

although it comes with +100% accuracy built in

[coral reef]

b e a s t

[broken edge]

100% accuracy is not that much

[meager fog]

But....is it worth not using Brazen....probably not

[broken edge]

might half the the spread

[fiery gust]

See that's the thing. It'll have good base damage out the gate, but likely entirely worse than a high end shotgun with a useful talent overall.

The accuracy at range will definitely make or break it.

[broken edge]

no wait thats a double barrel it's from standing still

[meager fog]

THorn is my favourite Shotgun atm, can't see that being better

[broken edge]

i need to find my accuracy test one

[rich cosmos]

Why did they make another mk14 exotic themed around healing when the first one is never picked

[broken edge]

cause this one looks cooler

i guess

[meager fog]

Does look badass.....but transmog when? 😛

[rich cosmos]

Honestly the rifle would be fixed by just simply making it apply stacks on crit too

Only headshots is an immediate death sentence

[broken edge]

i for once bless rifle builds that are not crit based

[rich cosmos]

Rifles really need love because its like they don’t know what to even do with them

[broken edge]

they became heavy ARs pretty much

i like running them with A&8 with focus chestpiece and sniper scopes for a very steady semi auto sniper

[rich cosmos]

My complaint is that like, thats their design philosophy for like every damn rifle exotic when thats just not working

This new rifle is just not going to be used by anyone

If you wanted to use a rifle for headshots, you wouldn’t be playing support

The doctor home rework was better at this requirement

[spring vortex]

is there a basic conflict build that i can use to carry my weight in the mode while farming for the rock n roll?

[meager fog]

Bighorn Regen is standard PVP

[spring vortex]

ty

[agile citrus]

Gimme rof pls and thank you

The rof wall is the demon wall that snicker at me in the ded of the night. Whispering of failure and suck and.... Cherry poptarts

[worn imp]

For heartbreaker, which weapon + talent combos are the best?

[rich cosmos]

Weapon talent basically always use flatline

[worn imp]

How about Dark Winter perfect killer tho

[rich cosmos]

That would work but the linked laser pointer mod from tech gives you basically infinite pulse meaning flatline is basically always active

Which also means your gearset is always active

[worn imp]

no no ill run linked laser on Darkwinter

[coral reef]

you think this will be patched today?

[rich cosmos]

Not today but maybe in a couple days

[winged prism]

what do ppl think of the new exotics they showcased

the mk14 one is super unique and i hope itll be meta for healer builds, and the shotgun is gonna be fun no matter what

[scenic whale]

The new gear set looks like decent fun to mess with Huntsman

Most definitely not effective but fun RPM memes

[worn imp]

does Lexi have better DPS than any of these?

[smoky latch]

5% more base dmg

[worn imp]

Is First Sight a good contender for DPS to Lexi?

[gentle lichen]

That's more headshot focused and not everything has a head

[worn imp]

ah damn it cant equip linked laser

[rich cosmos]

Wait wouldn’t measured assembly be really good with the new exotic chest

[meager fog]

3%, it was nerfed

[worn imp]

@meager fog Best LMGs to run for Heartbreaker?

[smoky latch]

The stock AK is never a decent option, doesn't matter in which variation

[wispy hollow]

Named chest with Perfect Obliterate talent

[meager fog]

Whatever you want to run tbh, obviously there are those that are better than others but anything with the Technicians laser pointer works absolutely fine

Have to consider that when using HB, you can't stack bonus armour once you hit max stacks. So for me it's not a great set for prolonged fights or high level content

[smoky latch]

Are you kidding me? An exotic for a perfect talent??

[worn imp]

Well how about DPS wise? Which LMG that can use LLP is best?

[meager fog]

It's not exotic, it's a named varient of the new brand set

[smoky latch]

Nevermind then, was going by the color

[meager fog]

M249 is a fantastic gun.

[cloud laurel]

This exotic chest is bad lol

[rich cosmos]

This is the exotic

[meager fog]

That picture is not of an exotic....

[wispy hollow]

Obliterate - 20% for 5s
Perfect Obliterate - 24% for 10s

Not sure what to make of this

[meager fog]

It's a good piece, and the 1pc bonus is +5% ROF. For strikers this means +20% ROF.

[smoky latch]

Ty

[wispy hollow]

So you reckon this will replace Ceska + Obliterate combo ?

[cloud laurel]

I’m blinded

[rich cosmos]

I still think this exotic should get like 10% skill repair on top of the bonuses and them 5% for the skill version but otherwise it should be pretty good

Interested in using it with measured assemby

[meager fog]

Ceskas crit bonus is whgy it's best in slot atm, it might not replace but it'll be a fun alternative to test

[wispy hollow]

Now we wait

[meager fog]

It's certainly a useable set, +5% rof, +20% AR damage and +50% Mag size for Ars is pretty big

[gentle lichen]

Bro
Why do they keep making ninja capacitor builds more busted

[wispy hollow]

Ninja is already nerfing your build

[gentle lichen]

I guess I can't complain when they dropped something like imminence which is literally 60% pistol damage

[rich cosmos]

Pvp

[wispy hollow]

Aaah that makes sense

[meager fog]

I was thinking of trying it with Chameleon

[gentle lichen]

That's literally gonna replace the W&H in an umbra capacitor and it's going to be DISGUSTING

[cerulean smelt]

when i saw the chest. my mind went to 2 brandset, 3 striker and nbb with elmo honestly

[meager fog]

Almost like a AR version of Lengmo lol

[wispy hollow]

With better piece bonuses