td2-build-advice

[cloud laurel]

lol wow really? Let me help to make him uninstall faster

[astral kraken]

that's based

[cloud laurel]

Full armor 2M with memento with backfire can run master pretty easy

Inv me and im happy to show how it done

[astral kraken]

There are two common ways if you want to maximize your chances:

1. All red, go hard on DPS. You will probably die a few times. But you're a Gamer™ and you'll figure it out.
2. Go PFE and everything else into damage. Master missions have all elites so it works.

Those are just common ways though. Trin is right that backfire memento will smash if you play well.

[cloud laurel]

I don’t have PFE like u!! sigh accidentally savage a gear that I don’t need but I didn’t noticed one of my pfe 13% was in the slot and it’s gone for good….. I’m really depressed tbh

oh whenever I saw your pfe, I’m depressing…

[astral kraken]

I wish I can give you mine :[ To me using PFE means you are not really beating the mission. It's just there if you can't do it or don't feel like hard carrying.

Lazy easy way. Nothing wrong with it I guess. But it works so I listed it as an option.

[agile citrus]

its like backwards darksouls baiting -_-

pfe is no skill

I memeorize ai movement and sp[awn camp them before they can aim or fire

[astral kraken]

Some people just want the exotic and never touch the mission again 🤷‍♂️

[cloud laurel]

I only wish shield would give a bit reduce dmg taken then. To me, shield and sword are the same as shield and SMG lol

[tired falcon]

there are other options, like this for example

bluescreen primary
ongoing directive gearset, using chest piece
Catharsis
Perfect creeping death
3 blue, 3 red (so an armor/dps mix)

can do variations of this, ie Memento instead of Catharsis

[agile citrus]

striker x4 (chest) with chill mask, 4 pfe or crit dmg, all crit dmg attritubte, backfire and sirvalist or gunner is fine memento

if your not going pfe, its easy enough to use almost anything from ceska, to turmoil to foxs prayer. blue striker with backfire is one of the easier builds

[cloud laurel]

I like @astral kraken pfe build, I like that shiny look of 13% PFE lol

[tired falcon]

an armor/dps mix using foundry bulwark, m1928 smg and scorpio also works; it's same idea really in that you don't need to go pfe. There's enough gear diversity to get quite creative

[cloud laurel]

I like catharsis only used in tidal at final stage inside the room to receive free heal while can do dmg lol that’s when catharsis been used, otherwise memento almost always

[cloud laurel]

Not same, striker do way more dmg with memento and backfire

I can hit 1M + with 2M armor

[tired falcon]

I didn't say they're the same

[agile citrus]

if you dont go pfe with a crusader shield. which Im assuming from that loadout, you will likely lose your shield in lego or MM diffculty

pfes value is behind a shield due to its dmg reduction extending

[astral kraken]

i don't see the point in blues here

[agile citrus]

same for explosive resist. but just going for blue cores wont change whether it explodes. crusader will last longer, but same reslt

[astral kraken]

blue cores barely offer any protection. if you run blues you want either a shield or pfe or both.

[agile citrus]

it completely negates backfire with memento short term blue bonus

[gentle lichen]

wake me up when the armor core value goes up to 300k

[astral kraken]

nah i meant the bluescreen od thing

[cerulean smelt]

wouldn't creeping death be redundant in this?

[astral kraken]

just looks like a classic "bad build" type thing, unless im missing something

[gentle lichen]

you can shrimply do that by reloading 3 times in succession boom now you're immune to bleed

[tired falcon]

because of Catharsis, that's why

[agile citrus]

oh.. no idea. but I think he was variant of memento?

[astral kraken]

nah, thats not giving you much. you need to take a lot of dmg for catharsis to kick in.

it'll just make everything harder for no reason

[agile citrus]

but the only time 3 blues make a difference over red dmg loss is into heartbreaker. an imo you STIll have to compensate with either backfire, cham or BH

these weapons are specifically chosen because they have such a high dmg output vs stat investment. both cham and backfire dont need cc, and bh doesnt use it

[tired falcon]

doesn't take much damage...it's not like it can absorb millions of dmg, lol

[agile citrus]

for context, catharsis counts toward shield dmg taken

and blue bonus

[astral kraken]

Well yea that's the point. You still have to play cautiously and not get shot. So why give up all that damage for blues. You can't take a lot of heavy damage. You can only take some chip damage. But you can just... stop taking chip damage.

[tired falcon]

I have it there for fun, so yeah it's really a placeholder; just about any other item works there like that backpack with perfect wicked talent

[astral kraken]

BTW your chances of taking chip damage goes way way up with all that DPS loss.

[cerulean smelt]

lol, i'm no different. i got a ND build with turmoil knees and for now a ceska obliterate chest. maining merciless. wanted to see if that explosion transfers too XD

[astral kraken]

So it's like you're solving a problem that you created

[tired falcon]

I play aggressively with it though, works fine.

[tired falcon]

lol there's no problem to solve

[agile citrus]

@tired falcon I have only ever found 2 uses for catharsis. and one I dont even use.

pfe 80% unbranded tank

and vigil shield/crusader hearbreaker

[astral kraken]

I don't mean play passively. If you play aggressively you have to play cautiously.

[agile citrus]

in the hb scenario, you should go blue, cuz you shouldnt go pfe

[astral kraken]

Anyway saying "it works for me" isn't really conducive to build recommendations.

[tired falcon]

depends what you want to use it for but yeah pfe builds is what people use it for 99% of the time

[stray barn]

Can somebody drop me an eagle bearer assault rifle?👉👈

[cerulean smelt]

looking for group playstation is you best bet and running dark hour raid

[agile citrus]

thats because it blends with dmg intake, and the heal and repair skill meshs too

[astral kraken]

Do the raid bro it's ez. Lots of groups will help you through it.

[stray barn]

What raid

[cerulean smelt]

google GCRock discord get their invite link and see if they got any teaching raids

[tired falcon]

you don't have to have any blue cores for heartbreaker though; I've run it all red with coyote mask for example, even in legendary. The bonus armor is nice but you don't really need a lot of it.

[agile citrus]

running hb with red cores is a waste. your already using inferior dmg

and low fire rate

running hb with red cores only has 1 use imo. pulseing enemys for your team. and you take a rpm and dmgnerf to do so

[stray barn]

What raid?

[astral kraken]

Dark Hours. You can't matchmake for it.

[wary crypt]

I’m curious — for those who play solo PvE, does the 50% threat reduction actually make a noticeable difference, or does it just feel like a placebo effect?
Have you noticed any real impact from the 50% threat reduction when playing solo?

[astral kraken]

I don't expect you would see any noticeable difference because you're the only threat and therefore the highest one.

[subtle bluff]

Oh here too.

[cerulean smelt]

we were all waiting for you to grace us with yoru presence

[subtle bluff]

meep

[quasi gulch]

what is considered good dps, just got the game a few days ago and i have no idea what i should aim for

[patent fossil]

Aim for a build rather than a number

See the pinned spreadsheet for a collection of build guides to the best builds

[quasi gulch]

i got what i need the most besides a new chest or backpack

[patent fossil]

In this case, the 5th piece of striker is useless as you get all the bonuses from 4 pieces

[quasi gulch]

yeah ik im farming for the last item now but thx!

[subtle bluff]

The hunt for Ceska Chest with obliterate begins!

[quasi gulch]

yessir, straight back to countdown for the next few hours

[subtle bluff]

Build your library at the same time and donate when have too much for experise!

In the guide we say library for a piece of ceska then farm for obliterate for library then back to ceska.

[quasi gulch]

thx for the tips !

[agile citrus]

I luved this so much omg

[subtle bluff]

If you need the guide it's the in Pinned Messages > Sheet > Build Hub > Farm Guide

[subtle bluff]

HB for legendary is nichie imo. I use to main it and clear most leggo with it but I have to run it with a team.

[agile citrus]

@astral kraken he's giving your brethren props

[astral kraken]

heartbreaker doesn't work on me!

[wary crypt]

How about protection from elites when running solo PvE without a shield? I usually go for a “gun and blaze” playstyle with Striker. Do you think the “x% Protection from Elites” stat actually helps with survivability?
If it does, what percentage do you usually stack for solo PvE exploration—especially when taking on control points?

[restive silo]

quite a lot of fun in incursion, ty again for that build

[cloud laurel]

No…

[cloud laurel]

No not even pfe, just memento and solved 99% of your solo

4 striker pcs, use ceska chest with memento, all red build with AR Elmo

Solved most of your solo heroic problems even retal as well

[agile citrus]

Pfe doesn't protect without shield. It will reduce it some what but lots of elites and named have ability trees, which means more DPS than average. It works with the shield which is already how to handle them

It's not the blue cores either. Blue cores only serve to boost memento short term and to boost shield level.

[trim abyss]

what one shot build is everyone running? is it the 1886 with 2 breaking point pieces?

[astral kraken]

For PFE you want a minimum of 60%. Ideally 70% or more. It only makes sense in places where there are all (or mostly) elites. Which is very few outside of Master missions.

You can run it without a shield but you a need a source of armor regen. Otherwise enemies will deplete your armor eventually. There's really no reason not to use a shield though.

For regen you can use Memento but that's usually a bad choice because you need to collect trophies ahead of time. Usually you are switching to PFE right before an encounter that needs it so your Memento stacks will be zero. It would work for Master missions since you can run PFE the whole time.

Adrenaline rush works really well with PFE because it sort of acts like a regen in a way.

Oh, also, a good PFE build will significantly worsen your clear times. I'm talking like 2x or 3x longer than normal. All those blue cores, PFE mods, and improvised pieces will tank your DPS into the ground.

[subtle bluff]

I run HHF mostly.

[astral kraken]

These are all general guidelines btw. Experiment yourself and see what works. There are special uses like running 1 PFE mod in solo legendaries.

[trim abyss]

whats HHF?

[subtle bluff]

Head Hunter Fury

[astral kraken]

Bottom of the page:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNLiB-SZH-LChI9gE18q-PdYGqHac4Gep9UQVUtg0as/edit?usp=sharing

[dreamy valve]

If you’re playing in Heroic difficulty: Master/Heroic Climax missions, Retaliation, Countdown, Rogue Agents/Hunters are where it can help. Although Hunters can bypass it with their Melee attack and Skills

Rogue Agents/Hunter Oxidizer kills you no matter what

I’ve also use builds that have Memento with PFE for 5 years and it’s been fine

[astral kraken]

Yea rogue agents are perfect for PFE. Just get in their face and their melee just tickles.

[heady marten]

Idk what memento is

[solar sable]

an exotic backpack

[heady marten]

That’s very helpful

[solar sable]

have you ever seen players with a backpack that has a bunch of circles (shd watches) on it?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Sheets = all the gear info you need.

or you want a builder scroll the bottom of the pinned messages there's 2 there now.

[marble root]

do any protection from elite builds use "Chill Out" mask?

[solar sable]

it's not worth it

[subtle bluff]

I will say that's why Chill Out mask is good because you use 2 Gear Mods and PFE aren't unquie to Gear Mods. Build wise that's a different story.

[verbal gust]

Ikias explo seeker spam is awesome but what mods does he run on his seeker mines? Like on the skill itself?

[hexed steppe]

most likely haste, damage, +1 cluster

[onyx sage]

so pro

[verbal gust]

Thank you

[heady marten]

Houndsman backpack has a bunch of broken SHD parts on the back of it too lol

My good sir do you have a skill support sniper build somewhere? @subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

Kind of...

I'm sure there something you could to do with these modifiers but I don't have one really.

[heady marten]

Hmm, I just want a skill build that can basically comfortably use a sniper for higher difficulties (legendary)

Although I don’t actually have a normal skill build at all yet

[subtle bluff]

This is theory build from last season. Maybe it'll work with this seasons stuff you need smart cover tho.

[heady marten]

Smart Cover, that’s one of the manhunt things right

I don’t have Nemesis, I think I have two parts for it? I can’t remember

[subtle bluff]

You maybe able to use shroud. I haven't tested this build this season with the modifiers

Without modifiers this build is a bit hard to play

[buoyant perch]

no, it's a brooklyn DLC storyline skill

[heady marten]

Oh maybe I have it then

[subtle bluff]

This is very nichie build to note. The gearset MA is basically crutch for teams that can't deal with focus prioritizing the right things to do shoot.
I think support skill builds just do better and allow you do to more.

[heady marten]

So, what part of that build actually buffs the skills itself?

All I see is reds

[solar sable]

I haven't played in almost two months so I don't know how that bag looks 😔
I have the outfit cuz I asked a friend to get it for me

[buoyant perch]

the skills are there just for the measured assembly set talent

[heady marten]

I don’t have talents in my brain like that yet

Today I will build my first support skill set

[buoyant perch]

just pick one from the spreadsheet, don't start with niche builds

[heady marten]

Define niche

Like builds people just “talk” about or flaunt around?

[teal mirage]

упс

[solar sable]

bro left -.-

[heady marten]

So far my dps build is basically just a meta pick I’ve seen all over media, tried and tested with a spreadsheet

My sniper build, thank you Chow

And my tank build I made myself to be hyper armor support

I don’t have enough heavy grasp in this game to discern niche from meta basically, yet

[solar sable]

this means "oops" btw

[heady marten]

On what planet does that mean oops

Oh wait that’s not a normal n

I thought we had more random internet slang on our hands

[astral kraken]

Niche means it's used in rare and very specific situations.

It's not recommended b/c it'll just be bad for general play.

[heady marten]

Okay cool, niche for other games can range from "dont ever use this" to "this only works sometimes"

[astral kraken]

Yea just keep it simple to start out. You need a "core" set of builds that just get shit done.

[subtle bluff]

FI Healer build is a good one to have

[heady marten]

Yeah i got a tank one i only use for countdowns that does no dps but keeps everyone else topped up

A pure red striker dps

and then a sniper

so yeah i think the next i need is a skill support

[hexed steppe]

everyone needs a mortar build 😎

[solar sable]

for solo play I like OD Tinkerer, HH, HHF, PGC Strikers maybe, and mortar (unfinished setup )

[hexed steppe]

i dont see nego in there

[solar sable]

sir I lack pgc strikers

[astral kraken]

😤

[solar sable]

I want the overdogs nego setup but can't play atm 😭

[astral kraken]

yea that one is just insane this season

and last season actually

[heady marten]

words i for sure understand

[solar sable]

Ongoing Directive w/Tinkerer Mask, HeadHunter (one shot), HeadHunter's Fury, Perfect Glass Canon Strikers and Mortar (need yellow Sacrifice which is a unicorn piece)

[gentle lichen]

i still didn't get a ceska bag for my od build 😞

[solar sable]

haha noob 🫵 😆

[gentle lichen]

dont bully me ill cry under my blankies

[sour smelt]

This a good or bad setup?

[solar sable]

replace chest for Ceska w/obliterate or Intimidate and HB mask

[hexed steppe]

hb chest is better. it need crit stats throughout the build. i would ceska mask and add an ar

[solar sable]

it is? bro I'm cooked 😭

[hexed steppe]

im sure either work, but hb chest doubles stacks available

[solar sable]

calculus is frying my brain rn, I blame my homework

[cloud laurel]

Run memento with striker, do a lot better than HB

[hexed steppe]

needs crit chance rolls. needs assault rifle instead of rifle. i agree with using memento, but needs ceska off piece to improve crit chance. add tech class if available and add shield to benefit from all the skilltiers

[mental tangle]

Yup

[verbal gust]

Striker seems to be it for me doing the most damage on my AR. I might do a strikers tink build though AR talents and AR suggestions anyone?

[solar sable]

Killer and... idk measured?
Police m4 seems to be a great option

[mental tangle]

That or Lexington or st Elmo

[solar sable]

tinkerer doesn't work on exotics nor named weapons

[mental tangle]

Oh tinker and that case police m4 or my favorite before Lexington came out sig 556

[deep jackal]

anyone knows if Devil's Due can drop outside DZ ?

[hexed steppe]

named caches, mini hounds

[agile citrus]

hb chest increases hb stack x2, this includes the bonus armor. If you dont take the chest, you essentialy run red core hb, which one just shouldnt cuz there are better options

even pvp players who run hb with closer, run it with the back pack cuz of the blue nerf

[heady marten]

chameleon with damage out of cover or crit chance

actually i can just swap it whenever idk why i asked that

[agile citrus]

cham doesnt need crit chance. you have 10% from watch, +20% from head stack and an additional +15% from the mod. thats 45%, 1 mod or ceska instantly put you at 51/3%

[subtle bluff]

always DTTooC

[heady marten]

nuh uh i dont have 10% from watch yet

[meager fog]

Can be fixed with 2 crit mods on gear

Which can be replaced later

[heady marten]

nah i can def pull out all the crit i need im swimming in crit mods lol

[meager fog]

@uncut summit

[heady marten]

the rare occasion you dont get domed in the head out of spawn immediately

[subtle bluff]

Ya with modifiers if even easier.

[meager fog]

Not really, kill squads aren't a problem for Nego lol

[heady marten]

i dont know what that means

[meager fog]

Negotiators Dilemma.

[torn shale]

Damn that kills squad got melted

[mental tangle]

Or turmoil

[meager fog]

No.

[torn shale]

could i see ur build? the one u melted the kill squad with?

[meager fog]

Bluescreen LMG, 4 pc Negotiators Dilemma, Ceska Glass cannon chest and overdogs gloves

[torn shale]

all red?

[meager fog]

All red

[subtle bluff]

I remember on the PTS running into them and just being super sad how easy they were

[torn shale]

Cheers sound fun, i guess you are maxed out on shd? build still holds up if not maxed out?

[meager fog]

Would be easy to fix them as well by making them spawn out of different locations.

Too easy to spawn lock them now

[meager fog]

Yes, it's fine for unmaxxed shd

[subtle bluff]

A lot of things.

[torn shale]

Cool thanks! something to work towards too (:

[subtle bluff]

I had people crying at me with my feedback.... I said its on Heroic it shouldn't be EASY.

[agile citrus]

-_- they have easy spawns cuz your not supposed to abuse ai. your supposed to play a game

hence my fundamental disagreement with "meta" mentality. meta builds are fine, in fact they help players who arent that good, cuz the dmg output and the hold down left click works. but the meta "mentality" includes and teachs abusing ai.

[astral kraken]

what is a meta mentality

[meager fog]

Don't even.

He somehow thinks that spawn locking is abuse of the game.

Must be the first game he has ever played.

[shy willow]

god forbid man ever finds out about kenly

[agile citrus]

I actively ignore it.

[meager fog]

They speak fluent reddit 🤣

[astral kraken]

in one sentence or less

[agile citrus]

meta mentality for me, is making a build that does top dmg, the tech is "hold left click down" and farming ai limitations, such as spawns or scheduled routes, calling it "skill"

its the exact same energy as smurfing.

[astral kraken]

if it doesn't take any skill let's see you do it

not on challenging or heroic

[agile citrus]

I showed you regulus. I showed you I can solo lego without meta builds. how exactly do you see the outcome changing if I use a ezier build

[shy willow]

Pretty much any build that does top damage requires at least some skill to use because you're trading off survivability for offense

[agile citrus]

I deliberatly refuse to use elmo cuz its braindead

[shy willow]

It becomes much more apparent in more difficult content

[astral kraken]

wait so what is there to disagree about? play however you want.

[agile citrus]

if you really think this my just memeing, Ill go do a lego on all red striker with elmo. Ill record the points you want me to. I refuse to go eaiser that striker. I will not no brain ND

[astral kraken]

yea let's see pgc striker on solo tidal. first 3 rooms.

[agile citrus]

thats an intersting one. ok

[astral kraken]

[agile citrus]

give me a bit. have weekend Ill record each room

Iv cleared those on my non meta builds.. but gc is will make it interesting

[astral kraken]

and don't you cheese it in the back, sir

[agile citrus]

no, we are proving meta is cheese. so I will.

[astral kraken]

what you are missing here is that completion time matters as well

and i'm not talking about speed running

[agile citrus]

thats fine. Im no speedrunner, but to prove a point Ill go faster

[astral kraken]

looking forward to it

[agile citrus]

will chage the gloves to oVErdOGs

[astral kraken]

noice

[meager fog]

CLaims it's easy....uses training wheel shield 🤣

[astral kraken]

LET THE MAN COOK

this is sacred now

[agile citrus]

says the man who lives and breathes nd. (killing everything in the room by shooting one enemy.) they used to call that action replay in games that are harder

[shy willow]

ND requires more brainpower than striker lol you have to actually manage your targets

[agile citrus]

"manage target" spray 6 people, focus one, after 1 sec , respray

the gc is more annoying. due to the dog. the chain one

[haughty flame]

3 not 6 (with chest it's 5)

[agile citrus]

you can tell I never use it.

[heady marten]

Shroud is putting in that work

(First legendary attempt and clear on this lol)

[astral kraken]

Good job! I know Babbit, good player. The only tank player I trust 🙂

Very good teammate.

[heady marten]

I was worried about doing it as a duo but he said if youre a good shot then we dont need to worry lol

I was also worried on not doing much in legendary with this build over my zero armor dps build but I enjoyed this more than I enjoyed tidal basin on dps lol

What guns drop with perfectly in sync? is it a gun specific or just a bunch of stuff

[astral kraken]

Yea more armor just adds more time really. You knock that mission out <20 min with an all red. Actually pretty easy to hit that time with modifiers and/or golden bullet.

[heady marten]

Im not worried about time as long its gets done really, except in countdowns, more time at the end = more goodies

[astral kraken]

Test Subject (AR) and Harmony (Rifle)

[heady marten]

i just got harmony, im assuming test is better as its an AR though right

[astral kraken]

I haven't ran a skill build in so long I don't know. Someone else might.

[shy willow]

They're functionally the same but I prefer harmony because it uses a different ammo pool

(ostensibly you will be running capacitor as your primary)

[heady marten]

I was about to ask what capacitor did then i looked

I see

What if youre running a support skill build though, just healing and buffing or stuff, however that works

[shy willow]

For support the popular ones are lefty and Scorpio

[heady marten]

scorpio? say less

[subtle bluff]

with modifiers right?

[agile citrus]

@astral kraken waiting for rain to stop. its making the fight weird. this is only room one, and it was.. the second or third try. after the gun dog dies everything else is pretty straight forward, but him dieing in 2 clips is annoying. and I tested shooting his legs only, it still took 2 clips

[heady marten]

No

[magic pilot]

Second half has no audio

[agile citrus]

audio isnt needed. and steam record is dumb. it wasnt on purpose, if you listen, the gunfire and combat audio displaces after like 5 seconds, then it just mutes. might be the formating, dunno

[meager fog]

Survival is though, and judging byt that first area...you aren't making it through there solo.

You almost died 4 times in the beginning lol.

[agile citrus]

I have never played this content with this set. mine is much better at milti use. also Im taking 60% more dmg for garbage dmg increase. striker chest would do better and more
Im also, because of the 60% being forced to abuse ai patterns. its not fun, its a "job" its irriateing.

[meager fog]

You literally said it was easy.

So make it easy and show everyone how easy it is.

[agile citrus]

no. I said your set was easy. I did not say soloing lego with glass cannon was easy.

the difference is if you are not soloing, its easy.

its easy because people are either not shooting you, or, you are recieving heals, or there is mulptiple inc dmg to targets

also, this gameplay is only possible, by abusing ai. if I just "gamed" Id die. this is why I never advise gc. is it strong? yup. is it good? yup. will you succeed while having fun in a game. no. you will likely abuse the enemy to never have the chance to attack you. or you will hide while your skill kill everyone, or you have an effect or talent that kills everything your not shooting. (pesti/nd/vile etc)

[cloud laurel]

That’s not how you play with shield

I’ve seen many players use shield and run with shield…. I ran with shield in all my build except LMG only to block things and put them right away asap

I can run tidal in my 2M armor with backfire and memento, no red!

Except memento

[agile citrus]

trin -_- Im proving a point

[cloud laurel]

Well decoy is a cheat code, EMP also a cheat code

[agile citrus]

the point is that these builds trivialize gameplay, and they are advertised as "best" builds. in reality, they make the game easier. they dont promote skill or game sense. they promote making the game meaningless. imo this is why people leave, call the game too ez and get bored. this started cuz I said, thisi s why Im fundmentaly against meta mindset

I mean at one point dorky actually said : you can proc ND by shooting dead bodys... I had no words. shooting something that is dead, to kill everything else is a new one

[cloud laurel]

Game is bored because they all memorized the spawn area , game isn’t bored if they block that memory and just aim and shot

[agile citrus]

yup. which is why despite that I can do this, everytime I start going down this, I actively stop. cuz I know my own hubris, and Im actively saying, "never again, I enjoy games now"

[cloud laurel]

I only wish if they could change the spawn area to randomly, make things more interesting rather than 1 or 2 specific locations

[agile citrus]

I made the point I wanted to. so Im going back to enjoying the game. I doubt I could convince, since after proving my mantis build could do what I said, you then turned it into "if you get pushed, its a gigafail" I realised Im actively nerfing myself by using gc over striker chest, so Im trying to "prove im right" which I never care about these days...

sigh life is funny. (no context, unrelated)

[heady marten]

I cba to memorize spawns in games, like I know where its gonna spawn from, I just dont care unless its a raid or something

[meager fog]

Except you didn't prove the point you wanted to make.

You said All reds make the game easy. You then said you would complete the first three areas of TB Lego with it, to which you responded with a single clip of you being pummelled and almost dying 4 times within the space of 30 seconds in the easiest area of the entire mission.

This is not proving your point, it's proving you couldn't do it and you're backtracking.

[meager fog]

He's just bad, and showed it. Don't worry about it.

[cerulean smelt]

@meager fog it's hard to educate youtube graduates. what glass cannon or even perfect glass cannon does is train you how to take good positions as you take each add down systematically while staying on your feet and hopefully not using up your armor kits. without that education you stick behind your shield or whatever else you use and complain about not being able to clear an area
it just literally help you come up with creative solutions to get through some areas if you ask me

[agile citrus]

I didnt almost die, I was aware of where they were, how long it would take for them to push, as well how long I had to peek.

I have patience but dealing with this prattle for 3 weeks about "reddit" and "youtube" is just silly coming from someone who hasnt given anything unique to the community. I made one of the most efficient hb builds, made one of the most efficient striker hh builds, but you know. apparently I just recite public forum info. games tough. patience recovered

[agile citrus]

the gas lighting in this is pretty impressive.
the point: meta builds are ez mode - I cleared solo lego room one with 60% dmg taken. this isnt a normal feat, but lets call it easy
"all reds are easy" never said all red was easy, said "meta builds are easy" I said "gc is interesting, but ok" to a request. I guess clearing 1/3 doesnt count, cuz I took dmg. games tough
appearently I can't do it. you got me. cuz clearing tidal with pgc in all left click, is about as appealing as a toaster oven in a bathtub.
i need to git guddr

[hearty pulsar]

Sup, is there any point in using 5 strikers or is 4 a hard cap and 5 being decreased gains?

[agile citrus]

all set items require 4/4, a fifth doesnt do anything.

[cerulean smelt]

all gearsets are stuck at 4pc, going higher in anyway is nerfing yourself 1 attribute, car will say differently because this is "meta mentality"

[hearty pulsar]

thanks, was wondering, had a member from a group i do raids with recommended 5x strikers, 1x exodus, which lowered my armor a bit. so was wondering

[agile citrus]

nah you can use anything else in that slot. after four, the striker effect maxs out

[hearty pulsar]

what was that one armor that is best for solo? forgot its name

[agile citrus]

prob memento

[cerulean smelt]

brandsets are stuck at 3 pc btw as well
usually the optimal striker build for like raids and incursions uses the chest since you have opportunity to hit that 200 stacks

[hearty pulsar]

appererently its good for hardcore, offers a free resurrect or something

[agile citrus]

memento is considered a good solo piece cuz its offers absurd bonus at the cost of losing all of it on death, and also, you have to the final shot, to even get the bonus. harder in group

[cerulean smelt]

Kard Custom. it's 2nd attribute is a Skill Tier which increases your revive hive by 1 stack aka free revive

[agile citrus]

free resurrect is revive hive. its a skill, part of the hive set

[hearty pulsar]

i was thinking of unbreakable

[agile citrus]

this is only half true. in solo once your hive revives you, it doesnt matter how many charges it has. reviveing you counts as all of it. it will offer a revive to another player tho. @hearty pulsar

[magic pilot]

Striker chest doesn't offer much more dmg over pgc

[cerulean smelt]

exodus gloves kind of do that currently
you lose armor you drop a smoke bomb drop out of combat for 3 seconds

weapon swapping during that insures you go full armor repair

[agile citrus]

unbreakable gives you a large amount of armor if you lose your armor. has like 1 minute cooldown. its not a revive but it helps.

[hearty pulsar]

sorry not exodus, i was thinking of overdogs

[cerulean smelt]

overdogs offer 30% damage as long as you start at the lower tiers of enemies and move upward

[agile citrus]

there is a brand called ceska which is a great compliment to striker for the 6th piece. you can find it in countdown, by selecting the hand holding the mallet loot symbol

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oThcvcxXzcTP4feX7l-DgPe0t3oOWpQpA0A4ulmIshI/edit?usp=drivesdk

[agile citrus]

actually lol'd. thx for the jokes.

I just cant be bothered. I'll get some shd experience, no gear and be able to say I did it! gold star! Id rather shepherd or help someone clear something. @magic pilot

Im glad people "enjoy" p/gc but its tedious to me, and I dont find the ttk gain noticable over my gameplay swap

[magic pilot]

Running something like measured will favor PGC version more too, I'm gonna use the other calc and link them

[agile citrus]

breh, I was but a wee lad. wtf is this shd level @magic pilot

was this the first itteration of my striker hh? holy sheet

MY FREAKING BH! its expertise 14, a bloody tweenager
the date was 6/25/2024

[magic pilot]

That one yellow core😤

[agile citrus]

Im... pretty sure that was intentional.. but I have no idea why
mildly ashamed of it.

it has been 5 minutes. Im goingto buy you a new keyboard if you dont press enter

[astral kraken]

Well I did say the first 3 rooms. I picked the first 3 for a reason.

But I'll match you room by room so you don't feel like you're the only one doing this. This is fun 🙂 And thanks for actually trying. You're a really good player. It's easy to tell from your gameplay. Good job.

Ok back to our discussion: your original point was that meta builds are braindead and easy. You cannot tell me with a straight face that your video (or my video) shows "easy" gameplay. It took you multiple tries and you were obviously locked in. And that's just the first room!!!!11oneone

(yes I was typing for eternity, kept getting distracted!)

[agile citrus]

yeh man your just better

[astral kraken]

Really? Our time was almost identical.

[agile citrus]

btw

[magic pilot]

I feel like you didn't even watch or read what he just said ngl

[astral kraken]

Yea.

[agile citrus]

he is better tho. Im not even trolling. I can admit when someone is better.

[gentle lichen]

i'm high the first frame looked like snow all around and thought the snow already came

[magic pilot]

Considering the the video is 1:50 and you sent a message 1 minute after the video was posted

[astral kraken]

We need more of this energy in here

[agile citrus]

he is better at solo lego. I literally never do it 🙁 I wasnt trolling.

[agile citrus]

thing is... like me, purple doesnt lie. I might not always agree with him, but if he says something, I take it. and I did in fact read it -_-

[astral kraken]

I saw the weird flex

[flat halo]

What’s a good build for assault rifle and oro build, but using only gold pieces?

[agile citrus]

ur a bully @astral kraken

[astral kraken]

I didn't say that multiple tries was a bad thing!

You said it took you multiple attempts in your post. My point was simply that it can't be "braindead easy" if it takes you multiple tries.

Anyway car I agree with you that if you take the builds we were using into a Heroic control point then it completely trivializes the gameplay. I would still argue that it's not "easy" because a new player can't just do it. It takes time to learn positioning, target priority, weakpoints, NPC movement, aggro management, and all of that. After you learn those things then it starts to feel easy in Heroic.

But Heroic is not the hardest content in the game. So if you feel like PGC Striker is braindead easy you can either nerf yourself with off meta builds to make Heroic content harder -or- you can push yourself to do harder content with it (like legendary tidal basin; even in group settings it's hard).

[agile citrus]

I will say this. in fairness to your point. it was hard. I did have to abuse ai, I did in fact memorize their reaction time, how they cirlced and what order to kill them in. it was diffcult* but I would like to say in my defence, striker chest would have been similar with less risk, and memento would have been better. I'd also like to say, solo lego is the top skill cieling, and I had next to no experience doing it with elmo. but it was cool watching you, and I learned a bit

[astral kraken]

You can just use a standard red DPS here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14dz6MOKZLLr_fjJPUIUCwMtkaSJAjKMKNmFjqAJ5SA4/edit?usp=sharing

[agile citrus]

this btw is why I dont give meta advice. its not that they suck, and, they are hard to pull off in solo lego. but in normal gameplay it often trivializes it, so I pass builds that have some options.

but yyy, was fun. absolutely puting my bis pgc back in the darkest corner of my stash tho ❤️

[flat halo]

Ok thank you I will grind for those pieces

Now would I
Provided gear be any good? All red dps?

[astral kraken]

Why are you limiting yourself to high end only?

[agile citrus]

high end doesnt have stacks. I had this same question long time ago

[subtle bluff]

Why do you want to use only HE? (High End) builds?

[cerulean smelt]

they got different facts for what they do, so no matter what you say will go in one ear out the other

well, in this case read in 1 eye and exits the other eye maybe 🤔

[haughty flame]

That's incorrect.

[cerulean smelt]

beautiful name!

[agile citrus]

Lost souls pls stop kissing up. It's obvious.

[magic pilot]

you can shoot dead bodies to transfer dmg with ND

they need armor plating or a weak point though

[haughty flame]

I know.

[magic pilot]

i am confused

[agile citrus]

Same. I can go back and get the post. I know it by heart cuz it was the "some average guy meme" I defo didn't respond, was speechless. And it is true

[cerulean smelt]

what's kissing up to someone same rank as us in this discord going to do for me?

[marble root]

Are there any builds that use the survivalist rolley-polley?

[subtle bluff]

Not realy since it's not a good skill.

[agile citrus]

You have continuously promoted their ideas after and youv stirred the pot several times with comments like this. Everyone likes being accepted by people they like

[agile citrus]

🤔

[cerulean smelt]

you're just mad you're not understood and your non-meta mentality and whatever else you want to throw in

[agile citrus]

Nope. Dc. If I cared I would fight it. But I always stand by "it's my way, that's your way"

[cerulean smelt]

uh, seems you're trying to fight here?#td2-build-advice message

[agile citrus]

Youv been doing it for a looooong time. And recently you've decided to use me as your patsy to kiss up. It's irritating

[subtle bluff]

Stop starting shit drama here car...

[agile citrus]

I'm defo starting it. everyone is the victim and I'm a bully

[cerulean smelt]

you make it easy with your comments. this is usually want my screen looks like you can guess what them ignored messages are....can do the same thing but you don't. so you're the one here stirring things because you want attention maybe?

[agile citrus]

Lol

My statement stands.

[cerulean smelt]

learned something new today, though i don't think i'd ever do that anyways. any ideas if you can do that with turmoil? 😹

[agile citrus]

Prob not. The survivalist "roly Polly" has a mind of its own, and it's AI is uhhhh. Not bright.

Just when you need a heal it's taking a trip to Florida to heal mister down by 20% armor

In theory tho. Just a heal build I suppose. Fi x4 with the setup or kelso, maybe btsu and chest fi.

[astral kraken]

Is Car starting drama again?

[cerulean smelt]

what's new?

[agile citrus]

I am. I started this I guess. This was a ping to you btw @astral kraken I'm such a bully

[astral kraken]

Car, if you're wondering why people are reacting this way it's because you're passively insulting people every time you talk about build metas. It's perfectly fine for you to enjoy off meta builds. It's actually pretty cool. But you don't need to insert passive "skill issue" insults every time you talk about it. Everyone who reads this channel regularly has seen you do it.

It's almost like you want to show everyone how bad they are and how good you are. It's tiring.

[agile citrus]

I do actually. It's something I work on, reducing

[astral kraken]

So yes everyone will turn against you and nitpick everything you say when you act like that 😛

[cerulean smelt]

this drama is because i told Meta mentality has a beautiful name. made me chuckle a bit. apparently it hurt Car's feelers. said i'm kissing up. uh, we're purple. kissing up to a purple name doesn't do anything for me...but apparently they get special treatment in this server by car's standards

[agile citrus]

The "meta mentality" is from me.

[astral kraken]

Everyone just needs to chill out 😭

[buoyant perch]

Cooler is more effective than chill out

[cerulean smelt]

true, but you can't shoot yourself wtih cooler 😹

[marble root]

Ridiculous idea: 3-4 pc strikers, memento/ninja bike pack, picaro’s holster. Gimmick? It’s a 6 tech level build. Avatar ahh build

Would this be a mental asylum build or homeless build in terms of mid

[subtle bluff]

A lot of newer player fall into that trap of using NBB wit that combo. It works but your nerf your builds max dps.

[magic pilot]

You wouldn't even afford the box

[marble root]

Took too long for me to realize what NBB stood for. And I’ve been playing this series since the time you could get Div 1 as a bundle for buying an XB1

[agile citrus]

You should make it and test it. It's a fun one but it's not super good, it's just a fun one to pull out. If you like it

[cerulean smelt]

been too long for me, but didn't the div 1 one actually get a talent?

[marble root]

Don’t remember, but when classified sets came out it became pretty much useless

Also why were classified sets relegated to only limited time events…

[haughty flame]

Saying/ quoting (Car) ''you can proc ND by shooting dead bodys...'' is totally different compared to saying ''transfer damage by armor plates''

[magic pilot]

i mean thats what he was implying

[cerulean smelt]

you can get a chance at those in Resistence maybe other places as well, but probably a small percentage

[agile citrus]

I don't use nd, this was info refrenced

[marble root]

Just looked it up, NBB did not have an extra passive

[agile citrus]

All good. Tbh I don't know if I'll ever use it. But knowing how it works and sharing it is good

[astral kraken]

Not a ridiculous idea. It's been tried many times. Memento is objectively the better choice over Ninja Bag. Otherwise it's really up to you if you need all of that shield strength or not. It's a simple trade off. You're giving up damage for a stronger shield. You just need to decide what balance is right for you.

You can comfortably clear everything including legendary with a Memento Striker with only one blue core on a Striker piece. So a tier 3 shield assuming you are running Gunner spec.

[marble root]

yeah but thats a skill issue on my part, i cant even do easier content like master difficulty

[astral kraken]

A really common method is to add as many blue cores as you need and reduce the blue cores as you get better.

Eventually you will reach 0 blue cores. Then you will get to glass cannon. Then you will ASCEND.

[agile citrus]

Comes with time and effort. Like any skill sticking with it pays off. Keep challenging yourself

[cerulean smelt]

if you were playing last season you might've seen some tech tank strikers since we got a Skill Overdrive where we logged in with 3 skill tiers + a bunch of skill attribute percentages. was pretty fun

[marble root]

okay so with gunner tree, whats my secondary skill? defender drone?

[cerulean smelt]

assuming you got revive hive for your 1 skill?

[marble root]

no, shield

[astral kraken]

Decoy, EMP sticky, pulse, turret (for distraction). Those are the top tier choices I'd say.

Foam is nice too. You can use oxidizer to push enemies out of cover.

Practice changing up your skills based on the encounter.

[subtle bluff]

Idk if you watch quickly the replay I posted. But that kind of shows what the build can do.

[cerulean smelt]

i refuse to watch your clips/videos. always makes me feel incompetent 😹

[subtle bluff]

And I'm kind of reckless play it.

It's not that hard tbh it's just trusting your damage and watching your radar is most of it

[cerulean smelt]

if i play aggressive i mess up someplace. then i go back to my less aggressive approach and i do well never understand it 😹

[subtle bluff]

Yea I could be less agresive i'd be very clean but the point of the replay is showing limits.

I need to go back and do a TS with a m60

I couldn't do it with Iron Lung. I'd have to slow down a bit.

Not enough shooting to keep stacks up.

It was fine with BK

[cerulean smelt]

stacks = TS stacks or ironlung stacks?

[subtle bluff]

TS stacks

Too much reloading needed

[cerulean smelt]

too fast of a fire rate basically?

[subtle bluff]

Ya mag dmg too well.

Also being very aggressive

[onyx sage]

the average player cannot play like that

[marble root]

im sorry, can i ask how the hell im getting airstriked by HOUND while it's inside a building?

also gotta mention, god security link from last season was so good, i miss security link from Div 1

"for the next 30 seconds, division agents were effectively immortal"

[agile citrus]

You would have loved the first seasons shock ammo wardog

It was such a popular beastie the devs literally said, ok everyone, shock value is over. Petting is no longer allowed. And turned the shock ammo to "daze" wut a buzz kill... Aha

[cerulean smelt]

haven't tried Zealot?

[marble root]

not yet, only really got it today, trying to farm tinkerer

this boss is aids

[cerulean smelt]

be glad you weren't there when it first opened up. the tears cried with how bugged it was

[marble root]

no its still bugged, just died to a literal insvisible exploding decoy that 1 shot me through full armor

and a tiny bit of bonus armor

[cerulean smelt]

nah, there was a bug if you managed to damage her while taking pot shots at you. at the end when she should come down where you are. she'd never appear

[marble root]

oh thats another funny thing, she has perfect accuracy while supressed and or ignores supressed

very fair for a tanky sniper with napalm grenades

[magic pilot]

M60 is nice with it

[flat halo]

Because I don’t want to hear sets(green) anymore

[cerulean smelt]

Just imagine next seasons gearset being strong in some spectacular fashion

[onyx sage]

that trap is basically infinite damage, no amount of armor will survive it unless you have health gate ready

the boss is also basically immune to cc, you can apply statuses to her or suppress her but her AI will not change. unsure if it's intended or not but regardless it adds to the difficulty

[verbal gust]

Bk with TS and overdogs is it.

[verbal gust]

Remember when there was no sets? Those were the true og days

[cerulean smelt]

What, for 4 days?

Bad eyes. 2 months 4 days

[subtle bluff]

It's specifically for my runs I am unable to run it the way I would normally with TS due to everything.

[flat halo]

Yup

[verbal gust]

I hear ya. Pestilence is the key I think doing some testing. I tried bluescreen earlier it’s cool for cc. It damage is ok. Idk

[cerulean smelt]

People like me was still trying to get to 30 and world tier 5

[subtle bluff]

I tried it. The reload for kills and soemtimes I have to swap to a backup.

[verbal gust]

Yeah same. Idk the idea of losing overdogs to tinkerer is kinda of gut wrenching. Not really any talents out thier except measured or frenzy

[subtle bluff]

I have it on contractor to so avg player can make the build.

[limpid ocean]

Is striker tinkner lmg still strong enough to be used

[subtle bluff]

Yes it is, but it by no means amazing no.

[cloud laurel]

Tipping scale is better for LMG, with this modifier boost your RPM pretty high. Be a Rambo!

[limpid ocean]

Is that a new gear set?

[solar sable]

uh huh

[simple vine]

im stuc

[solar sable]

hello sir, welcome to build advice, how is your image related to build advice?

[gentle lichen]

They'd show their build but they're stuc

[hazy steeple]

Using the letter K, in this economy?

[rich cosmos]

Gearset involving sticky launcher or remote pulse I beg

[gentle lichen]

Why remote pulse lol

[rich cosmos]

Just because

[gentle lichen]

I respect the dedication to niche skills

[onyx sage]

woah this game has so many players!!

[agile citrus]

reminds me of the launch of shadowbringer in ffxiv. but, there was another 0

[agile citrus]

🤔 so this was a shepherd. I blanked the name, am I wild for wondering this seems... weird?
turmoil, bullet king, expertise only on main, all the best stuff, almost 30k shd and... striker drone? also 50 dz

[meager fog]

Turmoil is weird on anything tbh lol.

[strong cave]

To me this looks about right for a SHD 30k build. Turmoil boils down to "they either like it or they don't". And it would appear this individual likes it.

As for expertise only being on their main, I'm a bit confused by that. Main character? Main guns? Nobody really applies expertise to their armor because it doesn't give you much in return. Now, if you inspected them and found a high expertise majority armor like build or so, that's likely a PvP dedicated character they set. It's also entirely possible too that this individual had their account boosted, or they physically purchased their account. Depending on stats as well, could be a cheater too. And could also be somebody totally legit

Point is, it's a well constructed build. Can be drastically improved tho

I myself have 2 PvE characters and 2 pvp characters and expertise only goes on my PvP characters first. My main PvE one has some too but only on my most used builds

[agile citrus]

it feels bought. the name was a website, that led to a coding app with chinese text. was just a weird encounter. but then I have a friend I met ages ago, shd 21k who used 5 piece striker, so I dunno

[strong cave]

It's likely a cheater then

21k SHD with 5 striker is either meme or actually had their account boosted

[heady marten]

Whats wrong with 5 striker, or is it cuz it should be 4 striker with a chest and a mask

[subtle bluff]

You're msising out on a stats and a brandset bonus or exo talent

[stone python]

Is there a specific Quickstep roll I should get?

[agile citrus]

no I know him like personaly. the 5 piece guy just wasnt super into the game. but he knew like weirdly ancient stuff

like meeting a val player who trys to throw their sherrif at the cypher cam and is confused.

[subtle bluff]

no

[stone python]

Oh well it's a pistol after all

[heady marten]

Mine kinda looks like this but i dont think it really matters

[stone python]

Will you re roll the attribute?

[heady marten]

Nah i like mag size, helps for if i get flanked since ive been running sniper a lot

[shy willow]

Realistically none of them make any difference but I have swap speed on mine

[heady marten]

Thats also a good one yeah

[agile citrus]

lol the joke is in beta cypher cam could use a sherrif

this started as a meme... but its actually a good gun, imo

Im gonna max it out and either use it with mantis or bighorn, make it format into the stat lineup

[shy willow]

The bullet king is unironically good now you'd probably be better off with that

[agile citrus]

what does the "cricket" do pls? I dont want to craft it, cuz my weapon mat is low.

[verbal gust]

Also notice that thier TS set isn’t proficient. Thats odd too. Especially with the season almost at a close

[wraith zealot]

swap speed just so you can pull it out faster

[verbal gust]

Uses perfect precision strike

Killing enemies farther than 20m builds up stacks. Max stack is 2.
Hitting an enemy within 20m will use all stacks to provide +35% Amplified Damage to enemies within 20m for 5s.

[agile citrus]

interesting ability for something that inflicts "suppressed" thanks

[agile citrus]

swap speed is really good as the weapon essentially is a csgo/valorant melee speed boost, meaning pop it out, then swap in combat. however, you dont need to "farm" it. cuz a pistol only has 1 attribute, and its named, so fixed ability, you can just use your library

[verbal gust]

The drill (same talent) 4 pc virtuoso w chest overdogs and ceska backpack w unstoppable force

Really good synergy and damage only downside is killing w up close and distance if that’s your play style haha

[agile citrus]

the drill I get. on an lmg, uh. I like my crafting mats

[verbal gust]

I get it it’s niche too say the least

[magic pilot]

Same

I use it in PvP to finish players, I don't even have attachments on it. Does its job

[verbal gust]

Same esp in the dz when he’s got buddy’s I just go zoooooooooooommm and I’m gone. Be like sam fisher in this..

[magic pilot]

There is an updated sheet

Cricket is over a year old now, you'd think it would be on there

[verbal gust]

Yeah tbh it’s a cool concept gun.

[magic pilot]

Was cool when it worked with skills now it's just another niche talent

[verbal gust]

Well same with companion when it was doubled henri and the backpack talent. Idk if that’s been nerfed but that was crazy

[shy willow]

It has

[magic pilot]

Fixed more so, it was a bug. It applied the bonuses twice

[verbal gust]

“Fixed” right idk why I used the nerf term. Bugs will be bugs

[magic pilot]

Companion is still pretty good in dz

It's just overshadowed by ad rush/intimidate for dmg

[verbal gust]

Henri and 2 other electrique pieces wanted to make an smg build for the dz but everyone says it’s not viable.

[magic pilot]

It's really strong compared to the old HE smg build but smgs are weak rn

[verbal gust]

Yeah ever since they did my cmmg banshee in I saw ppl with 3 piece lengmo and I was like oh? But then again lmgs are in somewhat the spotlight atm

[magic pilot]

LMGs are in a really good spot rn

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[urban stratus]

Hey I was trying to make a build with Ouroboros but I need some opinions on what to do here

[hexed steppe]

Looks good from my house. God mode setup 😎

[shy willow]

Your sidearm is lacking id recommend another ouro

[cerulean smelt]

i'd throw ouro in the 2 skill slots too. you know can't be too safe about it

[worn imp]

Whats an alternative set to use other than hunters fury for HeadHunter shotgun builds?

[shy willow]

Better yet screw the tac 50 and swap it with another ouro

[shy willow]

There's no others with any synergy

[cerulean smelt]

hunter's fury is usualy mentioned because of the CC it has in it. you can use anything else you want, but you won't survive in range because things will be shooting you constantly

[worn imp]

Doesnt another set give a nice CC status effect when shooting enemies?

[cerulean smelt]

not that i know of in the fashion that hunter's fury does. There's eclipse you might be thinking but you apply the status effects and spread it upon their death, but i doubt that's as effective as hunter's fury

[pliant pelican]

does anyone know's what this man's build is? intresting combo but also confusing.

[cerulean smelt]

just something they threw together and it works for them

[pliant pelican]

ah so is not sum combo big dmg stuff?

[patent fossil]

definitely not

[cerulean smelt]

definitely no big damage combo

[patent fossil]

if you want the top dps builds, check the guides in the pinned spreadsheet

[cerulean smelt]

my guess, they got 3 items proficient, the othe 3 they're trying to get proficient i'd say?

[pliant pelican]

never rlly tried pesti. is it even good?

[cerulean smelt]

without things that increases your weapon damage (striker isn't possible) it's pretty meh damage wise especially with the debuff ticking

[pliant pelican]

oh i never play striker is yuck. what sets would work wtih pesti?

[cerulean smelt]

i'm trying to login to get a screenshot of a build i use pestilence in. probably in the spreadsheet here

[meager fog]

Looks like theyre tryng to expertise things.....

[cerulean smelt]

lengmo consitently drops with armor cores so you gotta get lucky getting them with crit chance and damage on it. backpack is Backbone

full pestistacks and backbone stacks your debuff will tick 1.x million damage

before overdogs i had Contractor's Gloves on

[cerulean smelt]

expertising without using up valuable materials right?

[woeful zodiac]

Any good Bluescreen build?

[cerulean smelt]

probably run it with a tipping scales build or if you fancy a heartbreaker build with it since it does have a pulse built in

[meager fog]

Nego

Bluescreen Negodogs is one of the strongest DPS builds.

[worn imp]

I messed around and tried an alternate build setup that would give me 60% more accuracy than the hunters fury build does. Since it has a lot of handling attributes it also gives more reload speed, swap speed, stability. It also allows me to use chainkiller, which the HHF build doesnt let me do, so I get perfect headhunter. Btw in case ur wondering I also run the On-Spot (urban lookout) named holster for +48% accuracy.

Do you think this can at times deal more damage than HHF?

[meager fog]

No

[pliant pelican]

that backpack sounds like a pain to farm for. if i can even

[glad heart]

It will be a pain to farm. You can farm for it, but just like any other unicorn piece, it may take you a very long time

[cerulean smelt]

uh, Headhunter Hunter's fury can use this honestly so not sure how hunter's fury wouldn't let you use it?
"It also allows me to use chainkiller, which the HHF build doesnt let me do, so I get perfect headhunter. "

[pliant pelican]

huh. i could just redo my own current build and i got a working one for my pesti o:

• checkin the spreedsheets and woo

[cerulean smelt]

think i ran a lot of countdowns and crafted it a few times until i finally got the chance and damage minors on it

[pliant pelican]

so ig i just switch this aroun and it should work

[cerulean smelt]

bluescreen right? or this for pestilence?

[pliant pelican]

where do i even farm backbone. uh Pestilence

i found the Triple Tick Pesti Off meta build. sacrifice chest vile mask 4x ongoin

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, that's an option. just know pesti is a debuff and doesn't count as a Status Effect to keep giving you hollow point bullets

[pliant pelican]

so i should try to get the Tipping scale version? til i figure out where a full red backbone bp drops

[cerulean smelt]

backbone is the usual Taret loot farming methods. before retaliations woudl be challenging countdown with Lengmo as target loot, but retaliations you can do that as well. depends what you feel comfortable doing if you're a solo'er like me

[worn imp]

Well for the setup I like most for HHF I use memento, and I use the Thorn. Since I dont have 10% HS damage mods I have to use an all red habsburg chest for 13% HS damage so I can go over 150% HS damage

[pliant pelican]

i do have a backbone but it has Core attri +1 skill / explosive / hazard protection.
best i got ig.

[cerulean smelt]

oh right backbone was the exception of dropping with skill tier lol. i slowly worked at it honestly. get a lengmo with chance or damage or maybe even weapon handling i'd use it as a place holder until i got them wtih both chance and damage then replaced it and then continued my farming

[worn imp]

I tested this build with max memento stacks, it deals more damage than HHF

[cerulean smelt]

well, yeah, picking up a trophy every 5 minutes guarntees you a 30% weapon damage buff

[worn imp]

well my go-to HHF loadout actually uses memento already:

[cerulean smelt]

you do know providence 1 pc is hsd as well right? not sure what percentage it is compared to hadsburg (don't recall how to spell it) 1pc

[worn imp]

yea lmao

but my habsburg has higher attributes than my providence chest

both are +13% HSD

[magic pilot]

Why is bighorn on there

[cerulean smelt]

back up headshot damage maybe? be happy it's not first sight 🤔

[worn imp]

Cause it feels more fun to me to use than a Regulus atm

and yeah exactly, backup HS dmg

[magic pilot]

New kneepads are interesting

[meager fog]

I wouldn't say worth it over using Overdogs, unless maybe for a Pesti build so you can use Contractors

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i misread the 600% thing and thought we would get 600% amped damage, but dorky corrected me and i'm like wait? ohhhh

[meager fog]

Essneitally means it doesn't matter what you mark, it's practically going to one shot you lol

[cerulean smelt]

now if i want to be a troll i'd have people don Sacrifice and these kneepads 👿

[meager fog]

Even an assault drone is going to shred you

[cerulean smelt]

mark the quadcopter

[magic pilot]

Yea not sure it'll see much use, 20% isn't even matching glass cannon and it has higher incoming

[meager fog]

Should be at LEAST a 50-60% Amp for that risk

[cerulean smelt]

that's why i said if i want to be a troll. get people to wear sacrifice and those kneepads
be good training material though

[meager fog]

Although....a thought.... @hexed steppe you reckon those kneepads would be good for mortar build? lol

[gentle lichen]

Putting this on a crippled minitank at spawn door and killing everything else

[cerulean smelt]

maybe 20% amped damage them shock and shrapnel traps might make a spectacular enterance

[magic pilot]

If it's yellow core it could be good

[cerulean smelt]

DZ you run out lose your invulnerability run over a shock trap and go down? 🤔

[meager fog]

They seem to fit a skill build much better

[cerulean smelt]

one red if they drop red and we run technician won't hurt the skills

[magic pilot]

I run firewall for burn though

Thinking for eclipse fire

[woeful zodiac]

Where did u get the patch notes?

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-general-chat message

[gentle lichen]

I thought the knees would kinda be usable in pvp but nevermind once they realise they can do 600% amp to you it's over lmao

[magic pilot]

In dz it will be good

[cerulean smelt]

nah, they go in a group, 1 leaves group they mark them. then get 20% amped damage to everyone else

[gentle lichen]

Whole team benefits from the 20% amp??

[cerulean smelt]

no just you, but if you got 3 people using it and they all shoot the 1 not in group would have 20% amped damage and do that every 15 seconds

[gentle lichen]

Yeah my best bet would be to tap a tactician drone in conflict and enjoy a 20% amp against everything if they don't destroy it

[cerulean smelt]

tactician, defender or repair drones will live for this purpose and some people will be so confused "why aren't they destroying my drone?"

@gentle lichen actually, will have to test if you can shoot your own skills to mark it 😹

did you have an 🤯 moment?

[gentle lichen]

If hurting yourself with mortar would proc it on yourself that'd be crazy

I also have those dz turrets in mind if you could mark them but i'm not too sure

[pliant pelican]

so Farming backbone i maybe have gotten the named chest piece more then 100 times. in a countdown

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, not fun farming it. i did it out of pure "i need this build!" and just did it over time witht he occasional crafting it

[pliant pelican]

isnt it better going tipping scales with the backpack?or is the explosive resistance / skill health thing go to?

feelsbad.

[gentle lichen]

That's what we call a triple godrolled piece of shit

[cerulean smelt]

backbone is the only piece that has perfect unstoppable force which increases the damage you do per kill

[pliant pelican]

aye. i meant that backpack + tipping?

[cerulean smelt]

well, you won't get the 3pc LMG damage with tipping scales

[pliant pelican]

ig best so far. time to farm the other pieces

[rich cosmos]

Glass cannon 2 is real

[cerulean smelt]

notice it doesn't say wearer experiences 600% amped damage, could be non kneepad users experience it too 😹

[rich cosmos]

600% is pretty crazy

Like I get its one enemy, but 600%??

[cerulean smelt]

@onyx sage i'm assuming you'll be donning these for your legendary solo runs?#td2-build-advice message

[rich cosmos]

I can see the potential behind this exotic but it definitely doesn’t seem like something id use

Can’t complain too much they made a whole ass new exotic all because of a bug so

[meager fog]

It won't see use, seems more like an April fools joke piece lol

Imagine getting domed by an assault drone 🤘

[rich cosmos]

I mean

It seems bad but realistically all you have to do is just not take damage from one single enemy

I just don’t think the damage is worth it in comparison to other items but again this is an exotic born from an accidental release so who cares

[magic pilot]

It's just not very good, they'd have to give it at least 30 amp

I hope it gets adjusted

[rich cosmos]

They could do that or lower the damage, but then it kinda loses its gimmick

[onyx sage]

maybe

[rich cosmos]

I forget is cloak a named kneepad?

[onyx sage]

si

[rich cosmos]

Damn so you can even do a detection thing

Yeah it seems cool just not worth the hassle

Especially when overdogs exists

[pliant pelican]

current build. gon work more on countdown for the all red. i am 56.9% crit chance / 131.2% crit dmg atm.

• changed kneepads to Foxes knee pads
  ig

[magic pilot]

4 lengmo meta

[pliant pelican]

ezpz

[cerulean smelt]

thought i was seeing things

[magic pilot]

It's just not in line with other damage bonuses that have no drawbacks or easier conditionals

Bloody knuckles is 25% twd, overdogs is 30% amp, coyotes is 10% chc and 10% chd for whole team

[cerulean smelt]

it also doesn't state that the wearer will experience that 600% amped damage. could be the marked target does that 600% to everyone even the non exotic wearers

[rich cosmos]

35% could be fair

[cerulean smelt]

imagine if we can mark our companions 🤔

[rich cosmos]

Also like, I feel like there shouldn’t even be a timer on the mark

I could see a scenario where you mark an enemy you didn’t intend to because of the timer

[cerulean smelt]

exactly this. you mark the wrong target and get shredded so just doing what you can to make sure the marked target can't hit you

[rich cosmos]

Can we like, not get a damage exotic, we’ve gotten like 4 or 5 in the last year

Even the ones without damage talents are all red attributes

[cerulean smelt]

aka: imagine shooting a target near the boss at the end of dark hours where we shoot the vents and throw grenade in to progress. but 1 shot hits that boss and they lob those nades with 600% amped damage to everyone 😹

[rich cosmos]

Yeah so personal suggestion is increase the damage to 30% or 35, remove or increase the timer

[cerulean smelt]

i say 100% amped damage for us but keep the timer

[meager fog]

100% amped damage would be far too strong

[cerulean smelt]

but us taking 600% amped damage would be a good trade off keeping the timer as is

[meager fog]

You're only taking that amped damage from a single source, in most situations it's easy to avoid and save them until last

I think making it 30% amped would be fair for the trade off

[cerulean smelt]

oh i know, i'm just thinking for that we should get in my opinion at least 100% if we want it increased higher that 20%

[meager fog]

Nah Full red already clears Lego fast enough with GC/PGC, adding a 100% amp would break the game entirely

[magic pilot]

Drop the timer to 5s, make amp 50

[cerulean smelt]

i'd welcome that even

[magic pilot]

That way you have to switch targeting more often for more reward

[rich cosmos]

Thats good too

[meager fog]

I say, 30% amp/10s mark/500% damage recieved would be fair

We have to remember, it's only amped from a single source, so avoiding it in most situations is easy

[cerulean smelt]

yeha, but accidental marking can happen too 😹

[meager fog]

Hell if you're in multiplayer you can just mark a low enemy and ask a team mate to keep them suppressed while you run around with GC and Ostrasize wiping everything

[gentle lichen]

When we're at such exorbitant numbers it really doesn't matter if 500-600% was changed

[cerulean smelt]

imagine the spaghetti coding you can mark a teammate? 😹

[meager fog]

Nope, you're still getting 2 shotted by pretty much everything in legendary.

[gentle lichen]

That's what i'm saying either way you'll be put into healthgate always

[cerulean smelt]

mark someone running that skill gearset that heals from their skill damage and they start doing 600% damage

[meager fog]

But the amp needs to be worth the extra work, a 30% amp is EXTREMELY strong. When we already have GC/PGC

That's damage x30%x30%.....that's a BIG number

If your base damage is 1,000,000.....with those two amps you're now hitting 1,690,000

[cerulean smelt]

wish i did base of 1 million damage... 😿

[meager fog]

I'm just talking as in you're at max stacks without the amps, and then multiply them on after

[astral kraken]

even with pgc you can take a lot of chip damage. with 600% that chip damage becomes big damage.

[cerulean smelt]

still i don't think i reach 1 million base damage in general and would love to

[meager fog]

GC Strikers hit around that at max stacks

[meager fog]

But only from one source, as I said, one source of damage is far easier to dodge than all sources

[cerulean smelt]

don't think i hit max striker stacks in general honestly. things die too fast for that and i spend my time losing stacks running from a to b and c

[bold leaf]

Same, it bugs me all the time this 🤣

[meager fog]

You won't hit and maintain them outside of Countdown,Raids, Incursions, Legendary and Master really

[cerulean smelt]

i don't bother with the acs-12 stack bit

[astral kraken]

sort of. usually the thing you're shooting is shooting you back.

[rich cosmos]

The issue isn’t really the enemy its the heavy lack of damage for it

[meager fog]

But you only have to pop it once every 15s, by which point everything else should in theory be dead. Hiding from a single Lego Chunga is pretty straight forward

[rich cosmos]

20% amp in exchange for one enemy being a death sentence is not a fair trade

Especially when we just got a exotic that practically gives you 30% amp for free

[meager fog]

Realistically, running PGC or GC almost every enemy is a death sentence anyway. Making the damage taken ammp by 100%, 200% or 6,000,000% isn't going to change that

[astral kraken]

in lego target priority is really really important. i'll try the new exotic but i already ditched overdogs b/c its just too inconsistent outside of nego. i expect the same w/ these. i'm already doing a lot of damage and i don't want to add inconsistency to the mix.

[meager fog]

It's basically glass cannon, but you only have to hide from one enemy, not all of them.

[rich cosmos]

Its glass cannon but less rewarding

[astral kraken]

the times where i need the most damage asap are times where i often don't have the luxury of tagging things basically. i'm already doing enough damage to wipe spawns w/o modifiers so there's a point where i care more about the trade off than the amp i'm getting.

[meager fog]

I'm not saying it's good, by the way, I'm merely arguing the semantics.

[bold leaf]

Nah not with a good squad; I run PGC on legendaries, it's fine

[meager fog]

We all run GC/PGC on lego in groups, that's not nearly close to being the point.

[bold leaf]

It is, since it's not the death sentence you say it is 🤣

[cerulean smelt]

as i think dorky pointed it. it doesn't neccessarly state the user ets 600% amped damage it could very well be everyone takes taht 600% amped damage because the user marked it

[bold leaf]

If you can run PGC in legendaries fine, it's not a death sentence anywhere

[astral kraken]

it really isn't a death sentence at all. you have a health gate and if you use cover and skills well then you can deal with any enemy.

you can take a lot of shots with pgc

[bold leaf]

Only time it becomes an issue for me is if I play stupid or have high ping

[cerulean smelt]

i always play stupid so yeah, but i'll still try to utlize it some spectacular fashion

[meager fog]

I didn't point that out, it clearly only applies to the user

[spring vortex]

whats a decent build for a new player to farm floor 10 summit with i've tried striker and umbra but haven't really had any luck

[cerulean smelt]

oh wasn't you? wonder who i read that from where they said it might apply it to the whole group

[amber crater]

usually it's stated in the talents if it's applicable to the allies as well, no?

[meager fog]

If you're struggling to farm with strikers it's not a build issue i'm afraid

[cerulean smelt]

usually, but you know how they tend to code and it doesn't go by the description

[spring vortex]

fair enough lol

[meager fog]

You could take even more with the kneepads, provided the enemy you shot first can't see you 😉

[meager fog]

Mind if we see your strikers build?

[bold leaf]

What difficulty?

[spring vortex]

i can do heroic fine but legendary is beating me down

[spring vortex]

gladly lemme grab screenshots

[cerulean smelt]

@pearl atlas i smell a scammer, spammer

[bold leaf]

Ah ok yeah legendary is a huge step up

[meager fog]

OK, we have alot to work on here

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, ninja bag nerfing you hard

[meager fog]

First of all, take that backpack. Roll it up into a little ball, douse it in petrol and set it on fire

[spring vortex]

Guessing it’s a noob trap?

[bold leaf]

Yep

[meager fog]

Got it in one, backpack talents are far too strong to be replaced with that monstrosity

[cerulean smelt]

thanks for that image 😹 chuckled hard reading it

[meager fog]

There are two options for a top strikers build

[cerulean smelt]

assuming usual Coyote mask or the other being overdogs?

[meager fog]

This is your basic

Easy to farm, very strong, and gives a little team help too

The strongest Strikers build atm replaces the Chest talent with Glass Cannon, and the gloves with Overdogs exotic, using the strikers mask.

More difficult to play but a MUCH higher damage ceiling.

[astral kraken]

you're a real gamer. caught on instantly 👍

[meager fog]

This is what it looks like using Overdogs and Obliterate

[cerulean smelt]

there are people here who would refuse to see ninja as being a nerf

[spring vortex]

I’ve just been using it because it was the first exotic I got and it filled in my lack of crit chance and damage when I used negotiators with it 🥀

[cerulean smelt]

show off but nicely done

[astral kraken]

Pick a build from this list and you're good. Make your own changes once you have a few good builds going (and have a good idea on how things work):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?usp=sharing

[meager fog]

I believe @cerulean smelt has my GC Overdogs Chamelelon one

[cerulean smelt]

that i do
https://youtu.be/01CNV1MSQYI?si=0dPHGKY3flOaY1bM

[meager fog]

Huh, that's Oblit, I thought it was the GC one

[bold leaf]

But why overdogs?

[astral kraken]

he's overselling it a bit lol

for striker it's meh

[bold leaf]

They are garbage

[cerulean smelt]

oh? i didn't notice what chest talent you had. just impressed you made one with Chameleon

[meager fog]

That's not even close to being true... They're the single strongest piece of DPS equipment there is atm.

[bold leaf]

Hard disagree. They force you to play by a set list of priorities rather than the priority of the threat in front of you. It doesn't matter if you gain 30% amp damage to an engineer, for example, if they behind cover and no threat, but you have a chunga beaming you down.

The only time they have any real use is where there is a single tier of enemy remaining, but if a skill is deployed you best aim at that or you're getting no benefit

[meager fog]

Chunga don't beam ANYONE down, and you are barely losing damage by going off the priority list.....

Even not prioritising targets it's a massive average DPS boost lmao

[bold leaf]

Maybe you play a completely different way to everyone else, and that's ok

[rich cosmos]

Surely they announce the lvoa exotic and the gearset themed around the sticky bomb tomorrow! (Copium its gonna be a tank build and a shotgun)

[meager fog]

I'll leave it to the others who have also noticed it's a massive DPS buff, i'm not going to get into an argument about it.

Facts doin't care about how you play.

[astral kraken]

I agree with Lia on this and pretty much all I run every day is MM lego. There are a lot of times when you don't get to choose your target priority. The thing you need to kill is the most threatening thing in a situation. In that situation you are taking a DPS nerf. I used Overdogs for weeks before giving it up because my DPS when it really really mattered was often much worse.

Remember that average DPS increases are just a statistical thing. The more practical situations are more important for good clean clears.

[bold leaf]

100% agree, there's no guaranteed uptime of the bonus. And if you need 30% to kill a low tier enemy we should be having a different conversation

[verbal gust]

And then you’re wearing gloves with no value. If the buff isn’t active

[astral kraken]

Now if you're using something like Nego it's a different story. There I think it's meta because Nego requires you to pick and choose targets anyway.

[verbal gust]

Overdogs is situational, niche at best. These kneepads coming out tomorrow will be kinda in the same spot tbh.

[astral kraken]

Yea that's how I feel about it too. Still gonna try it a lot to feel it out.

[cerulean smelt]

i'd like to see if them kneepads will transfer unmarked amped damage 🤔

[magic pilot]

Overdogs is not niche imo

[astral kraken]

Overdogs is something I'd use in solos where I've memorized the room and I'm basically hand picking targets one by one.

[cerulean smelt]

i forsee you mark the target for ND transfer and kneepads mark, then you proceed to shoot the other targets and your crit transferred will be the 20% amped damage

[verbal gust]

Why mark things when you can use strikers and blast everything before it comes out the door? Such a waste of time haha

[meager fog]

I'm not even getting involved in a discussion where Overdogs are "garbage" and "niche" that's just wild.

[solar berry]

600% intake dmg 😭

[astral kraken]

puts overdogs in username title
can't refute any points against overdogs

[cerulean smelt]

you'll love them i know it

[solar berry]

Naw

[meager fog]

They're mathematically the strongest DPs equipment in the game for Strikers.....There can't even be a debate about that.

[astral kraken]

Something being mathematically the best does not make it the best choice. You know this!!!

[verbal gust]

Please don’t bring math not this again lol

[astral kraken]

Especially when your math is based on averages!

[bold leaf]

Look the thing is, if you want to use them that's fine. But you were responding to someone wanting to improve their legendary summit build and recommending them; that's not going to work unless you are really clued in on the priority list, and can apply that knowledge in legendary at SHD 29. If they have that knowledge, chances are they don't need overdogs to suceed

[solar berry]

If they do 10k per hit, thats 6,000k. Think about that. Due to 600% intake dmg

[meager fog]

I literally posted a standard build without overdogs. And THEN posted the secondary mathematically strongest build in the game. What are you even talking about?

[cerulean smelt]

i know

[solar berry]

Even a tank build is insta dead 😔

[meager fog]

No....if they do 10k per hit...they hit for 60k...

[astral kraken]

I would go a step further that this will actively hurt new players. In legendary content the most important situations are when things go bad and you need to recover from them.

For example, a teammate doesn't kill a drone operator on the left side of the room. That drone operator runs to the right (your side) and needs to die fast. If that drone operator isn't the lowest priority target then the player might not be able to single mag her. And then she runs into cover and starts spamming drones.

[meager fog]

600% is not X600.....it's X6

[verbal gust]

That’s like giving these kneepads to new players. I can’t wait for my call for backup to go absolutely crazy.

[bold leaf]

That is a great point

[scenic whale]

Could toss them on vacation mortar build, shoot over cover and then just brain off activity press mortar

[cerulean smelt]

gonna farm them reconstructed caches?

[solar berry]

I read it as multiplicative 😪

[meager fog]

It is multiplicative....that still doesn't mean it's 600x

It's 600% which is 100%(10k) x 6

[solar berry]

Then why don’t they say x6 set off 600% then huh 🤔

[meager fog]

Because most people know basic math I guess

[verbal gust]

That’s a lot to take though. That’s like my entire armor bar 60x

[cerulean smelt]

i'll queue for Shepard event, get my endorsement leave, and queue up again

[solar berry]

Welp. Don’t wear those in PvP.

[cerulean smelt]

why not? shot a drone get no 600% as long as it's not assault, get 20% amped damage to players or players stop using drones

[solar berry]

They do more dmg to you easily. Your basically running glass cannon while not running glass cannon

[verbal gust]

How are you replying to my messages ? I thought you ignored me out me on your ignored list? Everything ok buddy?

[cerulean smelt]

how would tactician, repair, defender drone do 600% to you?

[solar berry]

In a gunfight silly

Watch a full glass cannon build tap you so quick from you using it

[cerulean smelt]

you're just on ignore, not blocked. i click your message and it'll show your message. you're not toxic enough for me to outright block you yet so

[cerulean smelt]

yes, you the user shoot their defender/tacitican/repair drone to mark it for the knees. so those can't target you to do 600% amped damage to you, so you shoot the lone player using the drone and they take 20% amped damage

[solar berry]

running glass cannon and the exotic, you asking for a for death

[cerulean smelt]

so i'm thinking DZ will ahve them 20% amped damage traps lying in wait for unsuspecting players worried about you having them in their sites and go down

[solar berry]

I’m not worried about output dmg you do. It’s the intake dmg you deal with

You gonna get slapped using it, especially with glass cannon

[cerulean smelt]

yes, you mark a skill that can't do damage to you and you don't take 600% damage

[verbal gust]

Not telling you what to do it’s your right to block me or ignore me. That’s fine. ❤️ Idk what I did but love you bro. Your awesome.

[solar berry]

Wait, so I can mark sum else and still do 20% dmg to another hostile 👀

[onyx sage]

i'm just an average player but in my mind i would prefer the kneepads over overdogs for the sole virtue of being able to pick my target

[cerulean smelt]

in the description it doesn't outright say "can't mark skill proxies"

[onyx sage]

my only gripe is the lower value compared to overdogs

but it's a fair tradeoff if just for the ability to pick and choose

[cerulean smelt]

and the 600% incoming damage? yeah not a fair trade off

[onyx sage]

eh i can get good so it's not a problem

[solar berry]

What I understood, obviously could be wrong. Marked dmg deal x6 dmg towards you but you only deal 20% amp dmg against marked only

[onyx sage]

no, you deal 20% amp to anything unmarked

[solar berry]

Gotcha

[verbal gust]

I thought you marked an enemy and everything else got 20 amp

[cerulean smelt]

yes, but like i said you pick a skill or something that can't hurt you so the 600% doesn't exist anyways 😹

[onyx sage]

the mark stays on the first thing you shoot every 15s

[solar berry]

I know that part. The duration. If only one left, no hostiles can be marked

But if 2+ you can mark

[onyx sage]

which means that only target will take that 20% always

[cerulean smelt]

it also mentions you can't remark if 1 target, but we'll have to wait and see

[solar berry]

It can be bugged on launch

[cerulean smelt]

most definitely.
imagine you shoot your defender drone and it magically increases your reduced damage by 600%

[onyx sage]

if it works properly, i'm gonna use it in my next videos. i already can see how it can be played with nego

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly can't wait to see them

[solar berry]

Naw imagine the 20% amp don’t work but x6 dmg intake does

[cerulean smelt]

that too

[scenic whale]

If you can shoot and mark a corpse that’d be pretty funny

[solar berry]

O gawd

[onyx sage]

it's funny since you can do that with nego

you can mark 2 targets then shoot a dead chunga's armor plates and the marked ones will die

[cerulean smelt]

and now you add the 20% amped from knees shooting corpse

[solar berry]

The marked ar exotic, ND and new exo

[onyx sage]

starting to think they made it for me

[solar berry]

Thoughts on combo?

[cerulean smelt]

probably. "let's see @onyx sage do a legendary solo with these babies!"

[bold leaf]

You know it's going to be bugged and you do 600% amp damage instead 🤣

[onyx sage]

i'll make the video but @bold leaf will be the carry

[solar berry]

Backwards as intended

[bold leaf]

I'll bring Overdogs

[scenic whale]

They should be pretty good on legendary no, tag a tech sticky bomb EMP it and free real estate

[cerulean smelt]

says wearer takes teh 600% amped daamge but i forsee marked target doign 600% amped damage to whole party

[scenic whale]

Bonus points if there’s a support station you can free real estate on

[cerulean smelt]

no bring the coyote

[onyx sage]

nah bring birdie

[solar berry]

I wanna see striker max dmg with it 👀

[verbal gust]

Coyote is so much better for team play

[gloomy spruce]

Didn't you tell me you were going to uninstall if someone uses that backpack to revive you 😡

[onyx sage]

i lied.

[verbal gust]

Final measure and birdie healer hybrid is good.

[solar berry]

Temp lie

[bold leaf]

Sleigher and Birdie, got it

[cerulean smelt]

imagine that gearset where your skills does the healing and you shoot yoru assult drone but it does 600% damage and then heals the team

[gloomy spruce]

Clearly. Prodigy, IC3SO and I have used birdies to revive you only for you to act like it never happened.

[verbal gust]

Makes me miss OG reclaimer

[cerulean smelt]

unless you have video proof, it doesn't exist probably in average's mind anyways

[gloomy spruce]

True, he doesn't publish those vids

[cerulean smelt]

would be awesome. reclaimer div 2 turns hive into the lunch box from div 1 and does exactly what it does in div 1 but in div 2. i can get behind that

[gloomy spruce]

OG Reclaimer is something we all miss in this game. The hive is not the same as the heal box.

[cerulean smelt]

imagine using birdies in the reclaimer gearset and getting instant revived by the hive turned box? 🤔

but we'd need a big radius on it other wise it'd be so crowded

[gloomy spruce]

The "Div 2 should be dark souls with guns!!!" crowd would be apoplectic

[cerulean smelt]

done the knees and probably give you that dark souls feel

[rich cosmos]

Birdies is fun but its a shame how it requires your team to suck

[cerulean smelt]

you'd get a lot of use out of it with me if you were pc (> <)

[gloomy spruce]

Its not like there is a shortage of players to use it on...

Especially in pick up groups.

[cerulean smelt]

imagine a team wears those knees and somehow you shoot them they take your 600% damage and go down because they stood in your line of fire

[rich cosmos]

I wish pain and suffering to people using revive hive when its clear Im trying to use birdies on them

[gloomy spruce]

Is that even possible, wouldn't they have it so that the "ostracized" person only does that amped damage to the inflictor?

[cerulean smelt]

no clue but one scenarios comes to mind. blacklister marks a target, teammate (shield users tend to do this) runs in front of your line of fire and blocks your shots and say the marked target hits their shield in the middle of you trying to kill other targets, but they go down because somehow the marked tartgets 600% damage transfers from your damage and downs them through the shield

[meager fog]

You have to remember that overdogs are trash, though

[rich cosmos]

Especially to that mf using hard wired to spam revive hive constantly

[cerulean smelt]

but here's a thought. hardwired marks a target. throws clusters mines repeatedly for 15 seconds of 20% amped explosive damage? 🤔

[meager fog]

Double dip to ignore the mark

[astral kraken]

they are either meta or they are trash, there is no in between!

#d2communityinanutshell

[onyx sage]

regulus is trash for my OD bleed build even tho it triggers bleed

[astral kraken]

dps is trash tbh

[onyx sage]

so true, i wanna tank

[astral kraken]

if you cant win without dps ur not a gamer

[cerulean smelt]

considering how many minitanks shred dps 🤔

[astral kraken]

one day people will realize how strong pfe is for all content

[cerulean smelt]

what if we use Aegis to mitigate the 600% damage? 🤔

we might live long enough to do damge 😹

[meager fog]

Most can't even win WITH dps 🤣 🤣

[cerulean smelt]

i'm one of them

you'd question how i got to 40

[subtle bluff]

I missed a lot I see

[astral kraken]

did you though?

[subtle bluff]

I think the key missing in some of the stuff is context.

[cerulean smelt]

context for new exotic knees we discussed heavily?

[astral kraken]

yep :/

[subtle bluff]

meh they are what they are

[cerulean smelt]

lol, yeah not a lot of fans of it

i personally will try a few builds with it just for the fun of it
throwing them on a mortar build might be humourous

[cloud laurel]

Can’t wait for HW with this knee pad

[cerulean smelt]

you get the idea 😹

[cloud laurel]

It’s better than nothing for seeker mine cluster

[cerulean smelt]

that's even why i'm curious if leaving them traps in precarious places in dz would down an unsuspecting player

[strong cave]

Ask @subtle bluff , I got the perfect Aegis build for y'all

[cerulean smelt]

i highly doubt aegis damage reduction would keep you alive long enough to do damage if you take 600% damage from 1 source but would be interesting to see if it does keep us alive

[subtle bluff]

.........................................................................

[astral kraken]

lost broke chow

rip chow 2025

[cloud laurel]

How can my refactor build beat both players who are using ninja backpack in LEG Roosevelt

[rich cosmos]

Because ninja bike is mid

[obtuse crystal]

because ninjabike bag is bad and usually always a damage loss in pve anyways

[cloud laurel]

1 player with HE skill dmg and other TS sigh

Ima beaten them in dealt dmg, heal, and skill dmg

[astral kraken]

must have taken 3 hours

[cloud laurel]

@astral kraken is this your apprentice?

[silent storm]

Refractor is kinda fun. I haven't optimized it yet but it beats my HE build

[astral kraken]

NICE! Now that's a gamer right there.

[cloud laurel]

lol

[astral kraken]

Skill choice is suspect tbh.

[meager fog]

Basic concept:

Overdogs are trash, or niche

Also new kneepads are trash (they are but also could probably work)

[subtle bluff]

This but they didn't have NBB on but all 3 were strikers.

[cloud laurel]

No

[silent storm]

This is what I've come up with so far for it. I am thinking about going PGC on it but haven't gotten the perfect Sacrifice yet. So I have been using this one.

[cloud laurel]

That build is bad in anyway

[gentle lichen]

2 hana is like 2% more skill damage

but pgc is the most damage increase

[cloud laurel]

Waveform is better

[silent storm]

This is my BP stats

[cloud laurel]

Waste using Hana tbh

[silent storm]

What's better?

[gentle lichen]

memento is like 30% skill eff
hard to beat that

[silent storm]

Momento?

[gentle lichen]

but hana bag is total skill damage which is also huge

[silent storm]

Hmm I can do that.

I just need a Sacrifice to drop SH SD

[cloud laurel]

Read waveform

[silent storm]

This chest isn't bad either though

[cloud laurel]

For solo

Gl in grp tho

[silent storm]

This is my Waveform. would that be better than Momento?

My Momento is maxed.

[astral kraken]

trin is goated with refactor, def follow his advice

[silent storm]

Yeah I was just playing around with it, so still not optim,ized but it is a pwerful kit

[astral kraken]

I'm not great with it but I noticed that your play style really matters too. When I was doing lego with trin he would push spawns to deploy the skills. That way it was constantly doing damage and pulling them out of cover.

[silent storm]

So if you used Waveform what do you drop between chest and back?

[cloud laurel]

No!! I only know what it’s good and not I’m just noob

[silent storm]

Probably chest because no need of Kinetic Momentum right?

And refractor bp looks weak

IDK Kinetic Momentum is pretty powerful as well. Honestly I am thnking Force Multiplier and The Sacrifice might be the best combo for the way I play if not Momento. But Momento requires kills.

The thing that turns me off about the set is that Rogues neutralize it.

And Hunters

[hexed steppe]

Force multiplier and sacrifice is the play. I wouldnt drop either for waveform. Js.

Amp/tsd > rotating sd

[cloud laurel]

Refactor chest must be used otherwise you can’t heal as much as you thought kinetic movement do better. Other exotic can be played as how well your team geared or not, if they’re not well geared and died often, use birdie otherwise I like my waveform and motherly love glove. You can hotswap waveform for birdie depend on your team play

Turret can pull aggro and especially chunga loving to shot at your turret, make your turret more tankie with motherly love glove.

But like I said. I’m open to challenge any build you think it’s better then Inv me, we can dual DUA for testing purposes

[foggy imp]

@astral kraken started use that perfect glass cannon chest piece. Dropped 115 kills on countdown

[astral kraken]

🐐

[rich cosmos]

@shy willow

Additional exotic for doing the next master difficulty

[shy willow]

That looks so trippy

I wonder if you could just mark a support station or smth

[rich cosmos]

Maybe but meh

At least we got another exotic

Heres hoping we get some cool stuff revealed in the livestream tomorrow

(Lvoa-c exotic I beg you massive)

[silent storm]

What talent would you want it to have?