td2-build-advice

[marsh river]

yeah t hats what i was thinking too.. that it cant compete in either side of eclipse and FI

im just not understanding what uses the set has.. where and why would you use it. it seems like a hybrid of eclipse/FI, and pays the price by being worse

i can see drone build being somewhat afkable sort of setup but i dont see the point of that at all

[astral kraken]

Your intuition is correct. It's a mid-tier hybrid skill damage and healer build. And it's viable in group settings.

There may be some creative uses I haven't seen. But the only time it's ever been useful (in my experience) is on legendary Tidal Basin where some of the engagements are prolonged. I usually run a glass cannon striker build and one of the issues with running glass cannon is chip damage. Even if you peek correctly you'll often take a little bit of damage here and there. A turret/drone refactor build keeps me topped up without needing to have a dedicated healer.

The turret and drone also keep some of the enemies distracted which is a little help. If the same player just ran DPS then obviously it would be much better. But I prefer someone run a refactor turret/drone instead of a dedicated FI healer.

This assumes that person knows where to place their turret so it actually hits enemies.

[cerulean smelt]

only status effect build i tried it in was in the range. did rather well healing wise but it's like extreme burst healing 😹

[dreamy valve]

I actually use a red core refactor build for both solo and group play that’s pretty decent. Let’s you participate along with your pets, I’ll post it later on. The set is actually underrated as a support build in my eyes as it’s nice to heal a teammate that you don’t have line of sight to or if they are all the way across the room

[cerulean smelt]

oh? i'd like to see it honestly

[lament birch]

I don’t have the rest of the stats on hand but here’s my current Strikers build (With obliterate + bloodsucker and two A.O.K mods on the chest and pack)

[subtle bluff]

Do me a favor. What's the amount on the AoK skill mod?

[subtle bluff]

my "off-meta" refactor uses reds.

[marsh river]

but i dont really know that support builds are necessary in this game outside of legendary and raids. and in pretty much every instance, the dps buffs from FI build is just more than enough to make up for the lack of dps.. i know there are plenty interesting hybridization builds for niche scenarios that can function very well, but are never a must have or an obvious improvement for the team.. if that makes sense.

with all the striker builds going around now, pretty much all content that can be dps'ed is insta melted before any sort of strategy has to be considered

[subtle bluff]

The idea of a support is to help DPS do their jobs by either keeping them upright, allowing them to just DPS vs taking so much cover, and buffing/debuff .

[marsh river]

an example of this silly type of hybrid build i used, yellow core ongoing directive with opportunistic backpack, scorpio and foam... to provide as much DPS buff and CC to my team as possible to run countdowns and ensure that the team has enough utility and damage to power through the hunters. did it work? yes, absolutely. was it necessary? not at all.

[dreamy valve]

Yeah, it’s not very much required in general, it’s just a horizontal build alternative to healing and support. The game isn’t a traditional mmo that requires different roles to complete the majority of the content in this game. I still play classic EverQuest on emulation servers, so I can really feel the gameplay differences and culture of how both games are run.

[lament birch]

They’re both now at 16k + 10% off the Steelworks chest plate + Gunner specialist skill

[marsh river]

for me, there's very little that is as stimulating for my brain as pondering through build combinations and try to discover hidden secrets and new ideas.. in any rpg that has this type of element. i genuinely enjoy it. problem with division is that the game is basically solved, and off-meta builds dont really have any room to shine so its a little bit disappointing

[subtle bluff]

The mods them self are?

[rocky verge]

omg classic everquest... i played a high elf enchanter, so i know the value of support roles

[lament birch]

Speaking of Hybrid Builds—

Here’s my skill build :))

[lament birch]

The cog chips, yes

[dreamy valve]

Yep most classes are co-dependent on each other to be successful in the game, save for a few

[subtle bluff]

okay.. so you're spending 3 Skill Mod slot for 16k AoK how much is your total armor?

[dreamy valve]

I just play other games lmao

[meager fog]

Unneccesary amount of AoK for a DPS build.

You're sacrificing alot of damage, and the AoK only works after you've spent an entire clip trying to kill a single enemy.

[lament birch]

On my Strikers build, it’s 1.1 million armor.

On my Hybrid build, it’s 1.0 million armor.

[subtle bluff]

and there also using bloodsucker at the same time.

[subtle bluff]

so does 16k AoK really help you? when ads are hitting you for at least 100k?

[meager fog]

10% from gunner spec is plenty to keep you alive, need to adjust your playstyle if it isn't. (Thats around 78k armour on kill for a full red build)

[rocky verge]

many dps players suffer from main character syndrome and usually fail to peel for their supports in their time of need 🙁

[onyx sage]

what chow's basically saying is the value of aok mods are really low compared to what you get elsewhere. gunner giving you 10%, palisade giving you 10% is a lot more value than 16k

[astral kraken]

Don't run AoK mods. You're giving up a lot of damage by doing that. The AoK they provide is barely enough to notice.

[winged prism]

watching someone armor kit the second they get hit instead of just waiting the 3 frames it would take to walk into the hive 2 feet away from them....

[onyx sage]

as you probably notice also, 10% scales with your armor while 16k doesn't

[astral kraken]

What kind of support do you play?

[meager fog]

You would be far better running all red and using the preservation talent on your gun, which would give you 150k AoK and ALOT more damage

[lament birch]

It stacks with each kill I get, be it with my SMG or LMG

[onyx sage]

10% does that too

[astral kraken]

Run an experiment. Take off all of your % AoK and only leave the mods. Then watch your AoK.

[onyx sage]

10% of 1 million is 100k

[subtle bluff]

Your missing my point with the AoK SKill Mod.

[astral kraken]

Then in part 2 of the experiment remove all AoK except 10% from Gunner. Then watch your AoK.

[rocky verge]

i don't unfortunately, but it's been an observation i've been picking up

[onyx sage]

armor on kill is also dependent on kills as well (hence the name), if you go too much on aok without a care on how much you're losing out on damage you also lose out on not triggering aok that much either

[meager fog]

Cant trigger AoK if you cant kill anything

[lament birch]

I’ve been running Dark Winter with a mix of Pestilence/MK46 (M249 SAW) with Ranger/Black Friday/Blue-Screen & GR9 with Frenzy

Been loving my MGs lately as a perfect opposite to my D.W

[meager fog]

Running Pestilence at all if you barely have weapon damage is a waste of time.

The point we're making is that you're sacrificing too much damage for no gain

[subtle bluff]

Guys.. Ihad this... hehe oh well

[meager fog]

By speccing into AoK, you're sacrificing the very damage you need to make it work

[lament birch]

I could load up the game now to pull the proper stats for y’all

My striker pieces all have maximum or close-to-max on weapon damage/crit chance/crit damage

[onyx sage]

i just think you need to zoom out a bit and assess what you want from your build.

this channel is build advice and we give only advice that helps you do the hardest content in this game. if you're not seeking that then something has to change. as it is now, the build isn't really what we would call decent

[meager fog]

From the top of my head you're sacrificing 30% by having two blue cores, a further 35% Total weapon damage by not using the strikers back pack. And alot of CHD from not using the mods.

[onyx sage]

(it's not total weapon damage btw, striker is an amp and the backpack just modifies that amp)

[astral kraken]

The ninja bag trap!

[lament birch]

That’s what I’m trying to do myself but I’m rather indecisive at times

Need some secondary opinions for good advice

I’ve ran full red without A.O.K before with Czeska instead of Steelworks and the result were akin to running Glass Cannon, as I run on Challenging difficulty as the norm

[meager fog]

As it is, you're locking yourself to challenging because of the amount of damage you're chossing to sacrifice.

Ironically by trying to survive, you're making the game harder

[lament birch]

I use that one for my Hybrid, as I don’t have Memento Amorous/Mori still— just over five years

[onyx sage]

our general direction for advice is "be more offensive and defer to good positioning/tactics for defense"

[astral kraken]

If you want to buildcraft and you want your builds to be good then it's better to start with one of the recommended builds (see pinned spreadsheet) and make modifications to those.

Under the hood this game is all math. And a lot of very smart people have figured out the optimal combinations of gear/talents/etc to get the most effective builds. The only variance from there is player skill (aiming, awareness, etc).

There's still a lot of room for creativity but you need a solid foundation first.

[lament birch]

<< They always say the best offense is a good defense!! >> - Agent North Dakota of Project Freelancer.

[onyx sage]

it turns out in this game, adds die fast if you be just a little bit aggressive. you don't need to resort to stalling tactics or have to build any absurd amount of survivability. less enemies on the field means more survivability for you

[meager fog]

Dead enemies can't hurt you

[astral kraken]

laughs in cleaner backpack gas tank

[meager fog]

Or the gunner ammo pack when I run past it 🤣

[onyx sage]

zoo boss barrels

[meager fog]

It bloody hurts when you're running GC lol

[astral kraken]

"please dont shoot boss. please."

[meager fog]

Side note @onyx sage proved this doesnt apply to enemies when you use Nego.

Dead enemies can kill you 🤣

[lament birch]

My true limitations come from slower than average reaction speeds and meddling accuracy for headshots, I prefer to go for center mass

Not to much being overwhelmed easily with seeing plenty of red on my motion tracker/Seeing the armor of my OPFOR not moving down from my gunfire after using my banshee pulse to daze them

[astral kraken]

Throw together a meta DPS build and then we'll talk about your reaction time. I bet it's not as bad as you think.

[lament birch]

Again, I’m not discouraging the comments toward myself, just putting down what I know I’m lacking and covering up in kind

[astral kraken]

This game is brutal when you do low damage.

[lament birch]

General overview for my DPS build

[onyx sage]

we just want to see the overview of the pieces

[onyx sage]

like this that you've shown. the rest are basically implied

[lament birch]

Oh! My bad, Chooms.

Here they are.

[marsh river]

striker kinda ruins the game a little bit

[lament birch]

NEGATIVE GAINS???

[marsh river]

35 minutes is a bit long but its fine

[lament birch]

I tried legendary for a daily once on my full red version of this build

I didn’t even make past the front lawn of the Capital Building

[marsh river]

no build in the game is so powerful that it will entirely forgive any mistakes you make. on legendary the key is to abuse the angles and manage distance

[lament birch]

My fastest time on that mission is currently just over 13 minutes

Also nice hat :))

[marsh river]

like for example, open the door to the next room then pull back a bit and hold a good corner at good distance so u can hose em down while they push you

[amber crater]

it happens when the type is signed and you go over the maximum positive value, then it shows negative due to the first bit is for the sign (plus or minus) 🙂

[marsh river]

13 minutes? on legendary? solo?

[lament birch]

13 minutes on Challenging. Solo, yes.

[marsh river]

okay, challenging, and even heroic, is a quite different ball park than legendary

[lament birch]

So it’s the game being unable to process numbers past a certain value?

[lament birch]

So I’ve seen first hand myself—

The big house still gets me shook D;

[meager fog]

Yes it goes up, hits the value and goes down to the negative max, and back up again rinse repeat

[lament birch]

That sounds very goofy :DD

[meager fog]

I think its symbolic...of the sheer amount of powercreep lol

[lament birch]

I’ve been blessed with invisible OPFOR that killed me through walls again

What’d I do-?

He didn’t move from there after I died the first time

[astral kraken]

just did it and yea it's insanely fast. was this always a thing???

[onyx sage]

yeah

[subtle bluff]

So this is what a standard striker build should be able to do. This is with no modifiers and being very aggressive gameplay. Showing how much just gunner AoK give and just dealing damage out with some skills is all you need sometimes.

[patent fossil]

If you want to speed it up even further, make a new character and level them up manually (without using either of the boosts), and never purchase the 'chance of extra items in field proficiency caches' perk. Then use that character as your main.

[lament birch]

F I N A L L Y !

I died ONCE from an invisible kill squadron, but I managed to go from 30 seconds up to 5 minutes on spare from the second to last control point, got the last one without going down too.

[marsh river]

someone explain the math

DCH + regulus + chainkiller on achilles mark

how is it allowed to hit for 63m?

and why is achilles boosting damage at all?

[astral kraken]

are you headshotting?

[marsh river]

does achilles add the headshot bonus twice or something?

[astral kraken]

yes. iirc it's [normal damage calculation] * [headshot damage]

aka double dipping

[onyx sage]

but yes basically if you're already hitting the head it's gonna apply hsd again

[marsh river]

and this only happens if achilles marks the head?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[astral kraken]

yes. this is why it's so strong this season. because you can use the modifier to get yourself skill tier 6 even on a red build.

which marks every part with achilles. otherwise you would need an overcharge source or a teammate to do it.

[onyx sage]

i mean otherwise it just applies hsd once, to an area that already doesn't take hsd

[marsh river]

im trying to figure out what the dude in my team was doing on incursion lost paradise, he was using achilles, DCH and regulus and he kept calling for me to overcharge (i was playing FI BTSU), so he could achilles and blap the boss for big damage

but i dont understand the mechanic he was using, or rather why it hit so hard

[onyx sage]

overcharged achilles marks every single body part, otherwise it won't and the parts it picks will be random

[marsh river]

aha, so he's marking the head and double dipping headshots with regulus and holster bonus

[onyx sage]

yes

[marsh river]

thats wild actually

[onyx sage]

though if he wanted to optimize further he should use harvest with flatline and hsd mod

[marsh river]

whats harvest?

[onyx sage]

named magnum with higher base

[marsh river]

ah

[lament birch]

I keep getting harvest, even from targeted drops lmao

[onyx sage]

it's exclusive to mini dogs rn

[marsh river]

the thing that deterrs me from using regulus is the accuracy at long range.. its iffy at best

[astral kraken]

most of the time people use regulus with a car door and just get really close

mostly used for blapping spawns when they're clumped up

[marsh river]

i used to run full regulus build a while back but it has so many weaknesses, and if u miss your chain the setback is huge

its good alot of the time and incredibly frustrating the other half

[astral kraken]

it can be frustrating in matchmaking bc you're sorta on your own there

but with a team that has cc it's really nice and comfy

all you need is 1 cc that can foam them for you and drop heals on you if things go bad

[marsh river]

yeah but that sort of team setup requires premade

[astral kraken]

yep. regulus in matchmaking is peak hard mode 🙂

plus enemy health scaling makes it harder

[marsh river]

yea

[subtle bluff]

Very close.
This is the equation for Achilles [number you would hit normally] x [1 + HSD%] x [1 + exp%]

[subtle bluff]

If you're at the range Achilles doesn't work fully correctly there.

[marsh river]

i guess achilles only really is used for big boss fights

nothing else makes sense to me anyway

[onyx sage]

yes

[subtle bluff]

It's actually the 1 trick pony.

[foggy imp]

Any changes or advice on this build? Do I need one more crit chance over crit damage with coyote

[red island]

u can try replacing the exo with overdogs for more damage output vs low ranking target, otherwise its good

[astral kraken]

looks good

[foggy imp]

Just swapped to overdog and swapped 1 crit damage for crit chance so I’m at 54% crit chance. Need 25 more points on watch for crit chance

[astral kraken]

well almost good. i don't see glass cannon anywhere there

[red island]

u'll be fine then, looks good

[foggy imp]

lol I’m not there yet bro 🤣

I’ll die

[astral kraken]

every death is a learning experience - bruce lee

[foggy imp]

Next countdown I will throw it on for you

[astral kraken]

chad

[subtle bluff]

As long as your weapons have DTTooC you're good.

[foggy imp]

It definitely does. Going full Chad for @astral kraken in next countdown

[subtle bluff]

If you scroll a lil you'll see a video of what the build should be able to do.

[foggy imp]

Wow that’s insane. What talent is on that police m4

[subtle bluff]

Killer

In solo Killer talents will do better in burst than Elmo

[foggy imp]

Would measured be another good alternative

[subtle bluff]

It's weaker but it's still good.

[foggy imp]

I’ll try to get a good roll police with killer on it. I’ll try and do the same for a smg-9

[subtle bluff]

If you use Killer I'd recommend bring up your CHC up to 50-54%

[astral kraken]

put unwavering on your secondary smg

game changer

if you can find a vector even better

[foggy imp]

Just got this dropped. Same thing or a different vector

@astral kraken

Idk why it has 19 bullets lol

[astral kraken]

Get a Vector SBR 9mm (not tactical). It'll have more ammo per mag.

Then put a +20 extended mag in it.

Total should be 50 something. Like 52 or 53 I forget.

[subtle bluff]

Killer on that version is Super underrated.

[subtle bluff]

Funny enough the tac one when killer is proc is best of all them even Dark Winter

[astral kraken]

Yea there various ways to do it. But Unwavering is for specific cases as you know. Like burning down a spawn very quickly.

Then switch back to primary.

IIRC the tac vector is actually better on paper. But the non tactical one has worked out better for me for some reason.

(specifically with unwavering I mean)

[foggy imp]

I’ll keep this in my secondary slot and try it out

[subtle bluff]

I haven't used unwavering with vector really mostly on SMG9

This is what it does.

[foggy imp]

@astral kraken also the glass canon was annihilating npc in countdown. Just had to position good and was deleting people off the map

[subtle bluff]

GC is goated for dmg.

[foggy imp]

Was that the tactical vector that I just got in the video?

[subtle bluff]

YUP

[foggy imp]

Holy shizzzzz

[subtle bluff]

I have video just like the striker one on my youtube

[astral kraken]

Yea dude once you figure out positioning there's no reason not to run it. Every single DPS build I have uses it because there's no reason not to.

[subtle bluff]

imo people learn to play with it at the start it makes for good habits.

[astral kraken]

You're already squishy with red builds so it's not that much of a difference. And you're immortal because you have a health gate. Just be careful once it hits.

[foggy imp]

So just throw killer in this and it’s done ✅ all I have next is that good police m4?

[onyx sage]

i'm so proud of you

another glass cannon convert.

[foggy imp]

Very true. I felt awesome running it and only had 5 people in countdown. Did amazing until the end and then got pinned

[foggy imp]

Thank you very much 😮‍💨

[subtle bluff]

Killer is a good primary weapon talents as a 2nd it's kind of meh.

[astral kraken]

glass cannon is also a gateway into being a good CC player imo

[subtle bluff]

We like measured and unweavering for our 2nd just how it's used.

[astral kraken]

a good cc player knows how to manage aggro and runs into the middle of stuff to get it done

[subtle bluff]

Hi that's me

[astral kraken]

yup. and getting ahead of spawns.

[subtle bluff]

You've never had me support you yet.

[foggy imp]

So if I had st Elmo for primary and that tac vector for secondary i should use a different talent ?

[subtle bluff]

Measured. You can play with unweavering.

[foggy imp]

Ok so killer only if I have that in primary. Copy

[subtle bluff]

it's depends more on your playstyle.

If you're gonna use your Killer weapon a lot then sure but it's not being used all the time Killer doesn't really do much if you think about it.

[bleak sequoia]

also, if you're a shit player like me, you might not kill fast enough for killer to be procced 24/7

in which case something more consistent might suit you until you git gud

[astral kraken]

@foggy imp

Unwavering is a utility. It works really well when you need sustained DPS on enemies that can't shoot back at you. It makes your reload almost instant and it stays that way as long as you keep killing.

So it's more up to you if you want to use it but I always find it useful.

[foggy imp]

Thats insane. Might throw that talent on this tac vector and see what I can do

[subtle bluff]

I hate you and yoru videos... jk... ❤️

[astral kraken]

That one was network optimized!

[subtle bluff]

They're better but it still buffer for me

Ya unwavering is really good just needs to know how and when to use it,

[scenic whale]

is there a reason why Backfire is picked as a primary option? Used it in the field it seems rather ok save for the extra bleed. Tho i have heard there's something you can do to cancel out the bleed ticks

[astral kraken]

Ok I'll keep lower the bitrate. It was capped at 40k this time.

[foggy imp]

@subtle bluff I just realized I need damage out of cover instead of armor so I’d be stuck with that talent

[subtle bluff]

Like bitrate on a Discord post isn't gonna notice almost any difference.

[foggy imp]

Should I keep looking for a damage out of cover and scrap this one?

[obtuse crystal]

It allows for really high dps at max stacks but it’s only good if you can keep those stacks like in the incursion is the main place it’s used often and you can avoid the bleed by becoming immune to bleed but it’s honestly it’s not worth it you’ll be better off with a high end vector with killer imo

[subtle bluff]

It'll work not as well but it'll work.

[foggy imp]

Been watching your YouTube videos. Very cool to watch. The tinkerer run was good but I’ll probably never get that drop lol

[subtle bluff]

It's 100% chance on master

[foggy imp]

Yeah I tried on heroic to see if maybe I would get lucky and I got smoked by the lasers in the first part 🤣☠️

Been asking in PlayStation lfg but it’s been a little quiet. Might try on the weekend to get a good group

[subtle bluff]

Find a team and you'll get it done

[foggy imp]

Now that I’m part of the glass cannon crew would love to see how that tinkerer mask runs with two lmg or ar

[subtle bluff]

Tinkerer is only meta for one build

But it is fun to play with

[foggy imp]

Is that tipping scale

[subtle bluff]

OD

[subtle bluff]

It's all in the build hub

[subtle bluff]

If you go to my bio there are 2 other discord server that have better LFG groups.

[lament birch]

Hmmm…what LMG is good for my build?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the talents and stats both are good LMG's.

[lament birch]

Here be my non-exotic options

[subtle bluff]

Woah... You don't need to do this.

Like the guide says any weapon that's +750 RPM is good.

[lament birch]

And all of my options are above that number, I’m quite spoiled for choices

[onyx sage]

just pick one

[silent storm]

GR9 with Frenzy is a nice one

[lament birch]

Plus I need something that’ll complement my Dark Winters CQC specialty

[lament birch]

It made one of my retaliation missions go by a lot smoother against the bigger targets XD

[subtle bluff]

Killer talent is only really good if it's proc all the time but that can be said with any talent.

A talent is only as good as it's uptime is.

[lament birch]

Crit-Chan & Crit-Dam are around the same cap of 60%

57.2% and 59.4% respectively, on my Dark Winter

[silent storm]

This one has become my new favorite for my TS build

[onyx sage]

there is no crit damage cap. in fact you should be aiming for at least double the amount of crit chance for your crit damage

[subtle bluff]

that's very low CHD.

[onyx sage]

so if you're 60% chc, you want at least 120% chd

[subtle bluff]

Ya Idk if you watch the video I posted relying to you but that's what strikers can do.

[silent storm]

CHD cap is around 800%

[lament birch]

I gave her Ranger and she’s doing me wonderful work so far

[lament birch]

I haven’t seen it yet, sorry on that

[subtle bluff]

Should take a just a quick look. Like jsut the first 30 seconds you'll see a lot.

[foggy imp]

Thank you very much.

[astral kraken]

What's that based on? Datamining or...?

[silent storm]

Just messing around with stuff lol #td2-build-advice message

[astral kraken]

Why do you think that's the cap?

[silent storm]

I don't, it was just a joke

But I am not sure how to get it much higher with making an ungodly weird build

[lament birch]

Guys, I think I’m experiencing a live mental breakdown

My graphics are melting + the enemies are invisible again

So much flickering

My eyes were on the verge of twitching madly

Oh god- I’ve been flanked and killed the ghost dogs again

[gilded flicker]

Haven't played in a year or two have builds changed much?

[wraith zealot]

hmm, i think the only meaningful change is people slapping overdogs on any red build that fit.

[subtle bluff]

Not too much. Like above overdogs is the new meta offset gear and the new Gearset can someone what compete with strikers. Building stack and losing stacks a different way.

[gilded flicker]

gotcha ty

[wraith zealot]

oh i forgor tipping scales is new, yeah that new set competes with striker for red damage build

[subtle bluff]

We have a few of the things updated in the Build Hub

[silent storm]

How do you know if Tinkerer is working? And do the guns need to be the same name? Or can 2 different LMGs be used?

[gentle lichen]

it just needs to be not named/exotic and of the same type

the abridged talent on the buff pool under your combat ui should be orange when using your primary weapon which means it's working

[silent storm]

Yeah I am trying Killer and Frenzy but my 249 B with Killer is not getting Frenzy when I reload

[subtle bluff]

You reloading from empty?

[silent storm]

Yeha I left the shooting range and reequiped and it worked

There no Tinkerer BP?

[subtle bluff]

I'm sorry what....

[silent storm]

Reconfigure

Got some low rolls on mine and would rather put components into it than flags, gonna be a lot of flags

[shy willow]

It's easier to just go get another one on another character

[silent storm]

I'll be honest I don't even know if I want to use it lol. Killer and Frenzy doesn't beat Overdogs. Maybe Frenzy and Streamline might be better.

[subtle bluff]

Well it does... Just harder to keep Frenzy up. So without Frenzy up ya Overdogs is just easier to use.

[silent storm]

Yeah but Frenzy is a massive DPS boost and the loss of Overdogs Killer can't overcome.

[shy willow]

70 percent crit especially if you're using a crit starved set is nothing to scoff at

[silent storm]

Streamline might be able to bring it back but even that has sacrifices as in once you pulse your Streamline will be down for 20 seconds

Tipping Scales is not CHD starved though

[subtle bluff]

You're not wrong but why were using it in the first place?

[silent storm]

Killer?

I would say that Killer is A-tier Tipping Scales weapon talent. Frenzy is S-tier though and now I have a good LMG with Frenzy. And I crushed pretty much all my other LMGs other than named and exotic.

[subtle bluff]

Wasn't the question but ok.

[meager fog]

Measured/Frenzy.

LMG go BRRRT

[silent storm]

I'll try that out as well.

[foggy imp]

This combo with tinkerer out does the overdog gloves?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

It's hard to beat Frenzy in burst DPS period.

[mellow flint]

is mg5 a good lmg

[foggy imp]

Have you tested that combo with striker? Or does it really only demolish with tipping scale

[subtle bluff]

Yes it is. You need CHC too.

[mellow flint]

140% chd 50% chc

[subtle bluff]

No. Frenzy just does that much burst it's up period.

[subtle bluff]

Depending on the build you need more CHC most likely. The context here.
The point MG5 is a good LMG. The way you have with RoF is good with TS but if on anything else CHC is better.

[mellow flint]

i think 50% should be enough right?

[subtle bluff]

I'm repeating myself....
Depending on the build you need more CHC most likely...

[foggy imp]

I’ll have to try it eventually. Hard to give up the gloves

[strong cave]

50% CHC on tipping isn't enough. The damage is all in the crits. If you ain't crittin' you ain't hittin

[subtle bluff]

The point is how easy is it to keep up Frezny...

[strong cave]

You need 60 with tipping. It's a must. Otherwise just use striker

[foggy imp]

Yeah my watch isn’t maxed out so I have a perfect rolled tipping scale in stash. Using striker with overdog right now and st Elmo with glass cannon

[subtle bluff]

we were talking about the other guy.

[foggy imp]

My bad lol

[strong cave]

All good but I was talking about the other guy. Overdogs are great and so is Elmo's ✊ great choices. Get that watch level up

[foggy imp]

Do you guys know if the drones and or exploding rc cars interfere with the 30% damage when shooting an enemy

[subtle bluff]

Those are Skill Proxy

[mellow flint]

ah i see i see

[mellow flint]

got it, thank you

[stark flicker]

Should I get ouro for my hf build or would I be better off with a dark winter?

[gentle lichen]

which do you like more

[stark flicker]

Dunno never run paradise

[gentle lichen]

oh you don't have it
you can stay with dark winter but if you wanna do paradise grab a striker build and go to gcrock server

[stark flicker]

I'm looking now and when did they nerf hf from 30% aok 100% hok

[gentle lichen]

it's 20% aok and the nerf was only at the hok going from 100% to 50%

[stark flicker]

Yeah when did they do that

The hok was a really munor thing it had going for it tbh

[gentle lichen]

dunno like a year ago at least
don't keep track of it

[gentle lichen]

it was pretty big at least when you're full red and only relying on constant kills

[stark flicker]

this is the build but the calc doesn't show damage with killer on vs off for the dw https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtAzG4IxgTNJ4XLSgXMKVYLDCAGzqmqYCc+UciwwZjmRA7NQUjC7k2VuDzjlewkBghVBIkRngtwDGDBIwKKim1UAOAhSqjZEBWCJwArAgHh5fUdLFEMdg8-RA

the guns aren't accurate I was just doing a damage comparison

like part of me thinks the extra reload speed plus rof of ouro would make it better but dw also has a pretty big damage boosting talent

[magic pilot]

I don't think it was 100 before

[cloud laurel]

Don’t like backfire?

[stark flicker]

It was originally 30% armor 100% health I've been playing since beta

[stark flicker]

Everyone I've talked to says backfire is garbage

[magic pilot]

Congratulations

It got changed when they adjusted the watch health values, made it way to easy to stay alive on a full red HF build

[stark flicker]

You literally just said it wasn't 100 tho???

[magic pilot]

It was definitely nerfed wasn't sure on the values, hence "I think"

[stark flicker]

Ah ty

[magic pilot]

Backfire is solid, but might be too much incoming damage with Hunters fury since you have to play so close

I like to be midrange with backfire

[stark flicker]

Tbh I dislike backfire bc of the poor uptime

It resets every encounter and takes most of the encounter to get back to full

[magic pilot]

It got a buff not too long ago, same crit damage bonus but half the stacks

[stark flicker]

Ik

[magic pilot]

2 magazines shouldn't be most of the encounter then

[stark flicker]

Doesn't it lose stacks a sec like striker?

I thought it used to which is why it wasn't used

[magic pilot]

No, it loses all stacks instantly after 10s of not hitting an enemy

[stark flicker]

Ah

[stark flicker]

Honestly disagree hf allows you to play a lot riskier than usual with 2b cores plus the confuse and a shield you have more than enough survivability

I run it with glass cannon fairly often for speed

[magic pilot]

Try it out, I didn't personally like it. The handling from striker+gunner is more up my alley

[magic pilot]

Glass cannon + 2 blues nice

[stark flicker]

Nah I swap to 6 red with gc

[magic pilot]

I haven't ran crit HF since Ouro first came out

[stark flicker]

I have a set with flexible cores so I can swap between messing around and speed for challenges or wtv

[magic pilot]

Damn that was 2 years ago

Time flies

[gentle lichen]

ouro was introduced how long ago??

[cloud laurel]

Ohh okay it’s garbage just like those who’ve told you then

[urban latch]

its definitely situational, the longer/harder the fights, the stronger it is. solo, quick engagments, its not great. But in the right situation, like incursions and raids, its one of the best weapons in the game

[stark flicker]

like 98% of the time I run solo I only really ran the raids for exotics/collectibles

[gentle lichen]

Reload like 3 times in a row with low stacks and boom you bleed no more

Besides that just shoot something every 10 secs which isn't always possible in missions/open world

[light grove]

Exactly how exotics are supposed to function according to devs 🤣

[cloud laurel]

For noobie who didn’t know how to play backfire, you can build with umbra and get the general idea of it. Once you’ve understand the concepts, use striker. Build not require hazpro, fully CHD as your main attribute and keep core open to reroll core later. Only noobie still using hazpro and yes I’ve seen many highshd lvl 5k-10k+ who are still using hazpro. Hazpro it’s a useless stats beside IH.

[light grove]

Before any substantial discoveries with backfire (which took a while, even back then it wasn’t really loved)… I countered it with stupidity of heartbreaker, memento and Ceska with crit damage. 5b 2R

[magic pilot]

Over 2 years ago

[cloud laurel]

10 sec isn’t short tbh and if you can’t refresh within 10 sec then idk how would you dps in this game…..

[gentle lichen]

my bad i should get a tank and a put a leash on him and let him follow me everywhere i go to refresh my 10 sec buff

[stark flicker]

I dislike stacking effects on guns bc if I have to swap weapons or use a skill or do anything that isn't using that specific weapon all of the time the entire buff goes away

[magic pilot]

Ngl I swap off backfire a lot. I use it in heroic countdown

[stark flicker]

I'm frequently swapping to quickstep and mostly run overworld stuff aside from the weekly invasion meaning instant uptime skills like measured or killer are infinitely more useful

[magic pilot]

Yea I wouldn't run backfire in open world, for the same reason I wouldn't run striker

[cloud laurel]

I’ve used backfire in retal heroic either solo or grp and yes I do swap out for quickstep as well.

Feel free to add me in game same name as here. Just bc you don’t understand how backfire work properly doesn’t mean it garbage. I’ve been backfire main spec long before they buff from 300 to 200 w/o even bother with hazpro.

[hearty owl]

hi trin

it’s too early to be beefing in build advice!

[cloud laurel]

Ahh GHOST!! Hiii

Nothing to do when I’m at work atm it’s slow today so I was checking and when I see garbage make me sad

[magic pilot]

Me?

[gentle lichen]

can't even relegate this with a response

[magic pilot]

I like backfire too....

[hearty owl]

Dude same I only check this channel when I’m at work

[magic pilot]

I'm at work rn🤣

[hearty owl]

#ILoveBeingEmployed

[stark flicker]

it's okay to like a gun other people don't it's a game do what you want

[scenic whale]

is there a reason for the In-Sync on the Eclipse Protocol build or is it just sort of the best talent to have since it buffs the explosion damage of the sticky bomb?

i get the DtA part but it doesn't seem like in-sync is changing any of the DoT values

[onyx sage]

you have to proc in sync before you cast the status

[cloud laurel]

No Emma

[scenic whale]

Ah, gotcha ill test it again rq

[cloud laurel]

I’m agreed but it’s garbage just bc u don’t know how to play

[astral kraken]

when whaet types you know something's up

what's up

LOL trin is on one again i see i see

[scenic whale]

oh ok i see the effects now, thanks alot

[astral kraken]

just let them call it garbage, more fun for us

[cloud laurel]

lol it’s too early to be here but it’s super slow today at work so where else can I be? lol jk but yes many dislike the backfire but once you get to know it, you’d would fall in love tbh.

[magic pilot]

When I first heard of it being used in the incursion I was disgusted

Now I can't imagine running without it

[magic pilot]

Yes and no, I got it to work awhile back while casting

When I was testing pvp sticky builds

You have to time it perfectly

[onyx sage]

it's before status apply is my point

[magic pilot]

Ah ah gotcha yes

[onyx sage]

status damage never changes with skill damage while it's ongoing

[magic pilot]

Right

[scenic whale]

Lil follow up question, do you ever bother with ever lasting gaze for a set up or do you just quick press

Foam
In sync proc
Sticky bomb

Or is the gaze bonus so high I just want to open with that then switch to insync naturally

[marsh river]

is the dot-damage from firewall flamethrower affected by cores or not?

[onyx sage]

i don't use everlasting gaze but it may be useful in some cases

it's just too inconvenient and low uptime for me to be useful

[scenic whale]

It seems “decent” as during testing it boosted the DoT damage to about 475 from 360 on an unoptimized build, but it seems super wonky to get running

[astral kraken]

i tried to make everlasting gaze work for a long time and just gave up

[onyx sage]

yes

[scenic whale]

In sync is already killing elites for me with an optimized shotgun and me running foxes knees atm since i didn’t have a pair of electrique ready)

[onyx sage]

the fire status itself isn't but the "impact" damage is

[marsh river]

cool ,, but i asked specifically about the dot xD

[scenic whale]

So I’ll just stick with in sync and ignited since it’s doing really solid work

Testing a build out for a friend since he was having some issues making it work on Heroic

[marsh river]

so a full blue/yellow core would do the exact same burn damage from the flamethrower..

[onyx sage]

you're better off with anything that gives status tbh, fox doesn't really help the status except for bullet damage

[magic pilot]

Electrique or Golan if running technician. But survivalist is usually the play for the amp dmg for team

[scenic whale]

Oh yeah definitely I’m gonna go spam a couple retals for a pair of electrique gloves I just didn’t have anything else on hand

So I just slapped on technician to make up for the last missing skill tier

[magic pilot]

I only really used everlasting gaze on f10 farm

[scenic whale]

But I assume if I want personal burn damage then Firewall is the way to go?

[onyx sage]

yes

[scenic whale]

Last question since he prefers bleed hive is there any potential to mess with BTSU data gloves then hot swapping off of them to standard gloves

[magic pilot]

I'd say no, since you have to break the bleed hive to get OC. By the time it's fully charged OC is over

[scenic whale]

Shame, I’ll toss him on riot foam then

[magic pilot]

I'd go fire sticky/ fire chem

[hearty owl]

Thoughts on the Tamper Proof Rigger build

[onyx sage]

uninstall worthy

dammit you made me curious to try

[magic pilot]

Rig division 2 to uninstall

[onyx sage]

best strat

[scenic whale]

He hates the fire chem launcher with a passion so probably no luck convincing him on that one. I’d have better luck getting him to use The flame turret before he even wants to use fire launcher sadly lmao

[onyx sage]

he's missing out cuz it's the best fire skill

[hearty owl]

They should buff shock trap

[scenic whale]

He really is

Thanks for all the advice folks, appreciate it

[hearty owl]

Buff shock trap, remove foam chem and ensnare from the game altogether

[marsh river]

so if i'm correct..

eclipse with blue cores and +status effects, with advanced materiel flamethrower.. and pFe mods.. u are basically a flametank that "cant die" and still do insane dpm with fire spread

[onyx sage]

we heard you, striker nerf is reverted next patch

[marsh river]

... xD

[hearty owl]

To add to the list:

• remove every gear set added since TU19
• revert tips change

Actually TU19 is too generous we may need to go back to TU12 now that I’m looking at it

[astral kraken]

pay attention new people. this is what happens when you get so good at the game that you snap.

[marsh river]

lets go back to TU4 imo

[hearty owl]

Honestly if they just brought back open doors IH and floor 10 summit farm I’d be so back. Both were removed for no good reason

[marsh river]

no need for all that anyway, loot is raining everywhere u go

[astral kraken]

we need more hard content, that's it

incursion was a step in the right direction and then that was it

[marsh river]

hard content th at doesnt involve spamming robot dogs and chungos at u

[astral kraken]

master difficulty is cheeks

[hearty owl]

Floor 10 was the XP farm that didn’t kill the servers and actually required effort to do quickly

[magic pilot]

I mean, there was afk scripts for f10

[marsh river]

but it wasnt intentional to function that way so i dont blame em to fix it

[astral kraken]

bring back wony alts

[hearty owl]

Ugh no thanks. If I have to run WoNY one more time I might end it all

[astral kraken]

wony alt via dz

[magic pilot]

I'm glad wony is over

I refuse to do the final mission on any of my characters

Keener will never "die"

[gentle lichen]

I don't think i did keener on my pc account lmao

[astral kraken]

who is keener?

[hearty owl]

badgood guy, I think?

god knows atp

[astral kraken]

oh yea i shook his hand once

[gentle lichen]

Reneek
He's a redneck

[hearty owl]

I think the Kajika mission was the worse of WoNY. At least with Keener you knew it was the last thing you had to do

[magic pilot]

Kajika is the worst one, I didn't bother to do it on my alt characters

There's 3-4 points in the mission you think you get to kill him just for him to run away

[hearty owl]

I remember the old farm on WoNY release where you could kill him in the first room you see him with a sniper and have a chance at the exo holster

good times

[magic pilot]

I wasn't around during that period, was that right at wony release?

[hearty owl]

Yep it was patched pretty quickly too

[magic pilot]

What holster was it?

[light grove]

Airburst mine with everlasting gaze. It’s a surprising long burn time

[marsh river]

well ive just tested this.. full blue core eclipse, does exact dot damage as yellow core if the dot is from the flamethrower..

thats it then, flametank to beat the game

[hearty owl]

The one at burns people every half century

[magic pilot]

Oh dynasty

[hearty owl]

Yesss that one

[magic pilot]

Was that ever good?

[hearty owl]

Maybe for PvP lol I honestly think the range was busted on release or the frequency of the burn

[gentle lichen]

Only good cause you could bug it lol

[magic pilot]

Yea pvp it got used a little bit

[gentle lichen]

Same case with dch

AND centurian's in conflict
Why is it always holsters that are broken in pvp

[magic pilot]

Hey tinkerer isn't a holster!

[gentle lichen]

It cam be if you try hard enough

[cerulean smelt]

think if we ever got more skill based exotics it'd be used pvp as well?

[magic pilot]

100% without a doubt

Anything to do with skills or grenades pvp sweats love

[cerulean smelt]

shame there's hardly many skill based exotics as it is though

[magic pilot]

In the future we might see more balance between PvP/PvE since we are getting a new director. So there's hope

[cerulean smelt]

like i said, i don't pvp but i'm excited to see that pvp will finally get some loving

maybe you pvpers will get 8 man raid mode (> <)

[astral kraken]

i predict a cosmetic collaboration with nikki minaj

[hearty owl]

Yes now we’re talking

[magic pilot]

No snoop D-O-double G?

[astral kraken]

who?

[magic pilot]

Smokeless barbecue guy

[cerulean smelt]

ah yes, what we need is bright green cosmetics with a green leaf plastered all over it and maybe some smokey vfx

[hearty owl]

I mean we had that one garbage apparel event (literally) so it’s close enough

[astral kraken]

we need shorter shorts

[cerulean smelt]

speedos?

[astral kraken]

the length we have now is criminal

[gloomy spruce]

The problem is that when PvP gets any love the "HOW DARE YOU LOCK CONTENT AND GEAR BEHIND PVP" people show up.

[magic pilot]

Yea that one sucked

[cerulean smelt]

i think PvE gotten enough love as it is, pvp needs some

[gloomy spruce]

A similar group to the "HOW DARE YOU LOCK X EXOTIC BEHIND THE RAID" people

[magic pilot]

Literal trash bag mask

[magic pilot]

That's what happened with pesti

[cerulean smelt]

i was curious what they were thinking giving us trashbag cosmetic

[hearty owl]

I felt so bad for the guy designing it cause he was hyping it up on Twitter 🤣

Like yep this is what we came up with guys: garbage event!

[magic pilot]

Thank god I missed that

[cerulean smelt]

least it wasn't a Paid Cosmetic. imagine if they wanted to charge us for it?

[hearty owl]

but it’s ok they made striker literally broken that same patch so it’s fine we forget about it

[magic pilot]

I mean it is paid now lol

[gloomy spruce]

Was that the nuclear reactor clothing event where everything looked like it came out of Zoolander's Derelict campaign?

[hearty owl]

Yes that’s the one

[magic pilot]

Yea came out with countdown

We got high visibility uniforms and literal garbage man outfits

[gloomy spruce]

Oh yeah, I remember. At that point we finally had a contender for worst outfit compared to the Dallas Outfit.

[cerulean smelt]

I just meant in general. Didn't those who played back then get it for free via a project it seasonal pass kind of deal?

[magic pilot]

Cache event I think

Every 4 levels you got 1

[cerulean smelt]

Wasn't there another one where the chest was a white or black trash bag?

[gloomy spruce]

The trashbag finally beat the reigning champ for game's worst outfit.

[magic pilot]

Same one

[cerulean smelt]

Wasn't a fan of this outfit

[hearty owl]

I think the recruiter fit aka the diaper fit is also down there

[magic pilot]

We had a hot streak of terrible apparel and op gear for like 1-2 years

Heartbreaker, hotshot, umbra (PvP)

[cerulean smelt]

Next exotic div 1 striker as a holster what do you guys think? 😂

Tipping scales + striker 1 exotic holster would be so op

[magic pilot]

Striker exotic holster with striker you mean

[silent storm]

Master difficulty chungus die fast to TS Frenzy build.

[silent storm]

Striker is Div 1 Striker

[hearty owl]

Div 2 Striker is nothing like Div 1 striker lol. You lost stacks on missing shots on Div 1, which meant it took some skill to use unfortunately

[cerulean smelt]

no it's different, we're not getting healed from div 2 striker

[astral kraken]

"unfortunately"

[marsh river]

wth

[silent storm]

Striker healing is the Classified set.

[astral kraken]

[hearty owl]

Yeah unfortunate for all the people that cried about it 😭

[cerulean smelt]

well, when they first released it it did have that missed shots you lost 2 stacks in it

[hearty owl]

Yep on release Striker was in a OK spot

they just needed to buff the damage but then they removed the stack loss on missing and just made it braindead

it’s like I’m playing a cod campaign on the easiest difficulty

[cerulean smelt]

even back then people rode on that striker gearset 😹

[magic pilot]

Or bf6 on hardest difficulty

[astral kraken]

i honestly hope they just delete striker for d3. a dps build should function like nego... where the peak effective dps is very high but you need to work for it

[broken edge]

on release striker was dogwater here

many mistakes happened and now we are here

i dont want div3 to just be div2 again

thats not the point of a sequel

thats why once in a while a throwback set or item is fine

[astral kraken]

actually overdogs is on the right track except it should buff more for lowest tier and make it harder to kill highest tier

[cerulean smelt]

i miss my div 1 handheld nuke sticky bomb 😢

[hearty owl]

anything stack based is just lazy, especially when it’s overdone, like tipping scales now

[silent storm]

Tipping Scales is best DPS set

[hearty owl]

wow nice

[astral kraken]

til

[cerulean smelt]

think we'll ever get Lonestar div 2 equivelant?

[hearty owl]

Probably not

[broken edge]

i think it's on a good spot of being either neutral or good, having a negative will be detrimental

[hearty owl]

With how buggy weapon swapping can get in this game when you stack it, I don’t think Lonestar would even proc half the time

[astral kraken]

no one actually uses it the way it's described. everyone just shoots whats in front of them and if they get a 30% amp nice. otherwise whatever.

[broken edge]

besides what lonestar is remembered now is the classified version more

[silent storm]

I mean I use Over dogs the way they are intended

[astral kraken]

no one is repositioning to hit the most opportune target. just point and hold down mouse button.

[cerulean smelt]

the whole weapon swap instantly refilled your LMG mag?

[broken edge]

i dont think anyone is also caring about the range priority coyote mask either

[astral kraken]

exactly. same point applies to coyote. except that gameplay wouldn't be that fun. we had a season where range based gameplay was a thing and everyone hated it.

[cerulean smelt]

i know i never did, also really never cared for the mask in general either

[cerulean smelt]

i still hate it, dread anytime i have to run that mission too

[broken edge]

chance to instantly reload your weapon and get 75% rof buff when your magazine reaches 0

[cerulean smelt]

oh? i dont' remember the rof buff 🤔

[hearty owl]

Lonestar was honestly pretty well designed

God I miss Div 1 sets

[broken edge]

it was weird, just never sit well with me for shotgun set

it worked fine for LMGs of course

[cerulean smelt]

just googled it. never recalled the rof, but i do remember the weapon swap refilled your mag bit though 😹

[broken edge]

people just used to turn any gun into a brrrrrt

[cerulean smelt]

peopple just wandered around with the exotic lmg and normal lmg didn't they?

[broken edge]

i do think there's a lot of room to experiment here, like making an actual health tank set, a pistol set, more supplementary skill sets

i do think old berserk skill could come back as gear set

[cerulean smelt]

i'd welcome a pistol gear set honestly

[hearty owl]

New pistol set that gives an absurd amount of headshot damage yes 🙊

[cerulean smelt]

i'd love to see that honestly too

[silver topaz]

just hit level 40 Need a pvp build to grind and somewhere to grind for the gear

[broken edge]

countdown will give you bulk of anything you need

[cerulean smelt]

think the pins here there's a build sheet with a pvp starter kind of thing

[hearty owl]

Good morning Mr Chow!

[subtle bluff]

Murr

[cerulean smelt]

☕ 🍵 🥓 ?

[magic pilot]

That was the first modifier season

[subtle bluff]

I like how people will spam a few server so quick but not response to the people that replied to them..

[cerulean smelt]

it really was wasn't it? ever since the journey got less grindier and we haven't had any bs reflect

[magic pilot]

PvP guide was just updated

[magic pilot]

Tbf I think they all suck (modifiers)

[cerulean smelt]

i thought last season was a nice touch of div 1 nostolgia

[magic pilot]

I didn't play last season at all besides maxing the pass🤣

[cerulean smelt]

i just hope they keep getting creative with them honestly

[hearty owl]

Just throw Legendary ads in the raids and I’m sold

[cerulean smelt]

i'm sure a lot of people just want legendary world difficulty in general

[magic pilot]

at least master

[hearty owl]

and idk what’s stopping them. They did that with Legendary Tidal and Manning. Literally just threw white tusk in there with little to no regard to how it would play out

[cerulean smelt]

i was just thinking that. master world difficulty could be a thing i think too XD

[subtle bluff]

I just noticed he wants to PvP when he’s fresh 40….

[cerulean smelt]

and yet as you said, spammed other servers the same response

[magic pilot]

I say good luck!

[cerulean smelt]

should ask them "do you stream?" and give us the link (> <)

[subtle bluff]

Fair

[trim abyss]

whats the reason for running sacrifice with ongoing directive? I was seeing people in here saying it was awesome the other day

[patent fossil]

were they maybe talking about overdogs and not ongoing directive?

[trim abyss]

possibly, i was confused lol

it was around this spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aQCqJ-PZzGXfJrOAefwlm4Agzb0eTigvXP8u9GFKLY8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[patent fossil]

generally Ongoing Directive chest is too big a buff to pass up for something else

[trim abyss]

oh I see, I think it was negotiaters dilemma

[patent fossil]

yeah probably

[onyx sage]

ongoing chest is basically the same increase as sacrifice but depends on HP rounds and has no damage taken penalty

[glossy rover]

i want a funny skillbuild

one that uses a green set for its not so intended purpose

thoughts?

[magic pilot]

pvp or pve

[glossy rover]

dont matter to me honestly i just want to do a little bit of trolling

i was thinking heartbreaker

[magic pilot]

firefly pvp build, with technician

[glossy rover]

mortar you reckon, firefly could be funny yeah

[magic pilot]

syscor buff applies to skills. can def make a mortar version

i would just run glass+6 yellow

[glossy rover]

yeah, i wish there was another way to buff skil damage other then chest talent, i want to use the chest to abuse the buff

but that would be too broken huh

i wish energize activated on system proc

[magic pilot]

yea kinda stuck

[glossy rover]

alright but what about perfect shock and awe its on a china, then you run 4 piece system

and if you really wanted to leverage more damage , the only thing i see fit is a wave form

you could run a wyvern i guess to give you the 8% brandset all the time plus the minor bring it up to 18%

or instead of mortar would you go explosive sticky/seeker?

[magic pilot]

sticky would be crazy, then you can run technician

[glossy rover]

could run it with claws out and tdi custom with mortar and big shield

tdi custom rolled insync

that would allow me to run syscor chest

[magic pilot]

ohhhh true

didnt even think about kard

[subtle bluff]

eh... 11% DTA vs 15% Mortar

[glossy rover]

Really constrained by Syscor here

[magic pilot]

huh?

oh you are saying holding a shotgun

[subtle bluff]

I've never tested but my mortar PvP I used it like that.

[magic pilot]

yea id assume that will do more dmg

[glossy rover]

But there is a trade off I guess I get a blue core I lose dtoc and dta because not shotty is it worth probably not, is it funny absolutely

I also get shock and awe

With insync active I’ll have over 100% skill damage then systems 20% and shock and awes 20% that would be additive I’d assume as it’s TSD

So that would give me 140% Skill damage roughly

Or am I calculating that wrong

[magic pilot]

yea it is

its hard to say without a calc

[glossy rover]

this is what i was thinking

[pastel basin]

@magic pilot

[magic pilot]

i can see your drops in game lol

[pastel basin]

Yeah I was too lazy to HUH?

How ???

[magic pilot]

lmao

[buoyant perch]

Just enable stalker mode

[pastel basin]

^^^^

[chrome cradle]

Just throwing stuff together atp

I could improve it

[subtle bluff]

Not bad. Coyote here isn't as good has other gear. You have a ton of Crit stuff already. Use contractor glove instead.

[astral kraken]

Great start!

[chrome cradle]

Oh ok

[astral kraken]

See if you can get the Gunner specialization. Demo is good too though for team play.

[chrome cradle]

Already got it

[chrome cradle]

What group is contractors

[subtle bluff]

Petrov

[chrome cradle]

I got gloves from them but it won’t contracters

[silent storm]

DO you have Overdogs?

[subtle bluff]

Or that too

[chrome cradle]

Would battle gloves work?

[chrome cradle]

No

[subtle bluff]

use one of these

[chrome cradle]

I’ll see

[subtle bluff]

I mean he shouldn't due to being low SHD so he should have gotten thru that far in the season path.

[silent storm]

I used Contractor's until I got Overdogs and they were pretty good

[chrome cradle]

Watch me get it from a cache

[silent storm]

Are they paid or free pass?

[magic pilot]

Free

[subtle bluff]

It's a thing.

[subtle bluff]

There always free. One thing Div2 has always done good at is not being Paid2Win.

[silent storm]

This is my current TS build and it murders everything even in Master level.

Like 1.5 second Chuinga kills

[chrome cradle]

Can I get over dogs from countdown

[subtle bluff]

No

[chrome cradle]

Oh

[subtle bluff]

You pretty much only can get it from seasonal path till afterwards you should be able to get more of them.

[chrome cradle]

Level 29

Got it grind time I’m at 21

[silent storm]

Season pass don't take long to level I think i finished it in 4-5 days

[subtle bluff]

Just grind your library out while doing it

[chrome cradle]

On it

[subtle bluff]

GL HF agent!

[chrome cradle]

[chrome cradle]

What should I use instead of coyotes mask tho

[subtle bluff]

Use that it's fine.

Biggest Stats even with Coyote on is just hitting CHC cap

[chrome cradle]

I meant for when I get overdogs

[subtle bluff]

You need TS to have 4pcs

[silent storm]

Just make sure you are putting all of your first 250 SHD levels into CHC before any other Offensive trait on thewatch

[chrome cradle]

Ah well that’s a problem

[subtle bluff]

No. It's WD then CHC.

[chrome cradle]

I’ve been spreading them out

[subtle bluff]

Well now you know. WD > CHC > CHD > HSD

[chrome cradle]

Ok

[silent storm]

I did CHC, WD, CHD and now working on HSD

[subtle bluff]

Good for you. I am telling what's best.

[chrome cradle]

What’s the fastest way to level up season? (Let me guess it’s countdown?)

[subtle bluff]

Just get exp, finishing mission or cp

[silent storm]

Honestly, DZ then Control Points then Missions

[subtle bluff]

and Priory missions for XP.

IMO just farm stuff do, CP and missions and you'll get it. Don't sweat it too much. Get other builds strikes and stuff so you can do Raids.

[silent storm]

I feel like 10 WD is easier to miss out on than the 10 CHC

[subtle bluff]

You won't care that I've done that math.

[silent storm]

I mean it's not that important as long as you just pick one and fill it before moving on I feel

[subtle bluff]

Per small point % WD gives more. If it were in full 10% sure.

Doesn't really matter really in the end it'll go quick.

[silent storm]

I chose CHC first because then I could lean on the 10% in my builds easier

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't really matter in the end. It's only % different. Unless you're saying you have all your skill mods max by that time it doesn't really matter again.

[silent storm]

Oh yeah I had 6% CHC mods the first. I have like 4 of them and still don't even have 1 12% CHD mod, 11.9 is my highest

Not fretting .1% though lol

[subtle bluff]

Well you're just lucky I rarely see new players have my CHC max mod by 600 SHD.

[silent storm]

Lot's of Crafting

[subtle bluff]

Idk your point doesn't really matter other than for you. Good for you.

[silent storm]

I mean it took a lot of collecting and crafting, I don't know if I can recommend that route considering that target loot does exist and you can just set it to mods and use the filiment to level expertise as well

But my mindset was still in Division 1 when I did it

That's how you even had a chance to get a godroll in that game unless you were extremely lucky

[chrome cradle]

Would blue screen be any gud for me

[silent storm]

On TS build it is awesome

3rd stat 9.5% CHC

[chrome cradle]

Well I just got it randomly and what’s ts stand for

[silent storm]

Tipping Scales

[chrome cradle]

Ah should I use it or bullet king

[silent storm]

Both are great options

Bluescreen gives you disorient

[chrome cradle]

Bullet king it is (I dread the idea of reloading)

[silent storm]

Bluescreen has 260 rounds and 1.5 second reload

It is so close to not reloading it's crazy

I think higher DMG as well

Just checked it does

Bulletking is great for just never stopping firing and keeping your team stocked up on ammo

Also, for Tank Bosses or Kill Squads this is what you want right here.

[subtle bluff]

You mean can disorient enemies not yourself.

[silent storm]

Did I make it sound like it disorients you?

I love Bluescreen though, it is a great gun and I stopped using Bulletking when I got it

[subtle bluff]

☝️

[subtle bluff]

You tell us

[silent storm]

I meant that it allows you to disorient enemies.

[subtle bluff]

Simpler way is just saying Bluescreen can CC...

[silent storm]

Like just spray wildly into a pack then pulse and they all drop

[subtle bluff]

Kind of... anyways.

[silent storm]

I mean you need the stacks ofcourse

[subtle bluff]

🙄 the most around about way of explain or saying it all.

[silent storm]

I mean the weapon description lays it out for you

And when you are rockin and rolling on TS with Bluescreen I mean you are putting CC on everything around you

The biggest downfall of Bluescreen though is that there are very few single enemies that survive 50 rounds so unless you are just spraying and praying everything in front of you, you need to be pulsing or dropping a hive to trigger CC

That's why I got a Frenzy LMG, because now I just mow enemies down one by one in seconds

Death is the best CC

[subtle bluff]

🙄

[silent storm]

How do you get your DMG to show up on the left side of the screen? I was looking in options for it and I can't figure that out

[solar sable]

The way you phrased it implies that Bluescreen gives YOU disorient status effect. Not to the enemies. If you did phrase it correctly it would've said "Bluescreen makes enemies disoriented".
So no, you did not mean that.

[foggy imp]

How many blue cores do you want on striker with momento

[solar sable]

just the one that Memento gives you

[foggy imp]

Thank you

[astral kraken]

i like 1

[silent storm]

Thank you

[astral kraken]

that's my standard memento. good for turning off brain and just clearing some heroics.

otoh my gun is grade 30 which is probably why i don't care about sacrificing the red core

[solar sable]

some of you guys took advantage of the mule farm before it got nerfed 😔

[silent storm]

Tinkerer on TS with Frenzy and Streamline might be the play. Just gotta stay alive so hive doesn't turn it off.

[subtle bluff]

When are you joining the Iron Gang Gang with the @onyx sage s?

[silent storm]

Probably want this with HSD and Weapon Handling right?

[gentle lichen]

I'd save it if crit sniper ever became a thing

[silent storm]

Maybe good for Rifle build

[magic pilot]

pvp

[silent storm]

What would you do with it in PvP?

[magic pilot]

crit nemesis

[silent storm]

CHD or HSD mod?

[strong cave]

Neither. Change to red core*

[foggy imp]

Thank you. Going to take off overdog gloves for momento. Need more survivability

[devout iris]

alright got the shroud sniper, what build do i use it with

[silent storm]

That is a given, I was talking about the actual mod slot

[strong cave]

Nemesis should always be at 60% CHC. Depends on your crit chance %

If you need more chance, use a chance mod. More damage, use a damage mod

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot

[devout iris]

what about aces

[subtle bluff]

Have you read the talent for it?

[devout iris]

i mean it's the same as the overdogs gloves

[subtle bluff]

👀 Ace8 is the same as overdogs?

[devout iris]

no i mean shroud

the weapon shroud and overdogs have the same talents

[subtle bluff]

What’s the question….

No

Are we talking in circles?

[devout iris]

no, i though aces was worth using with shroud

[subtle bluff]

No it isn’t

Aces8 is bad for one shot builds.

You’re already should be able one shooting why would aces help?

[winged prism]

they have similar talents, just opposites of each other, not identical

[digital olive]

is this any good everythings rolled with chc/chd

[gentle lichen]

your uptime with chest is going to be a lot harder
use a ceska chest with obliterate and replace petrov knees with striker

[digital olive]

oh is that all im really missing

[magic pilot]

Yea other than that it's pretty on point

Pakhan isn't really that great imo but the guns are all similar in dps atm

[digital olive]

okay thanks and if i switched those pieces would it be alright for a first time clear of iron horse?

just trying to get regulus pretty much

[buoyant perch]

Yes

[digital olive]

alright ill start farming and then try a lfg thanks so much

[foggy imp]

And the one blue with the momento can handle legendary?

[astral kraken]

Yep. It's a great way to learn the missions IMO. I don't use it anymore but I did a lot when learning.

People will say Memento isn't good for team content but I don't agree with that from personal experience. The only time it's a problem is when most of your team is DPS and you can't kill things as fast as them (and get Memento trophies). But most matchmaking groups aren't like that. Most of the time, even with that build, you'll have no problem getting kills b/c people run really weird stuff in legendary.

And if your team is killing way faster than you then you can play more aggressive and push. There's always something to shoot that other people aren't shooting.

You don't always need to use what's optimal. If you can stay upright you're more beneficial to your team than if you constantly need to be revived. It's slower with Memento but you're not speed running, just learning.

[foggy imp]

@astral kraken I more so was wondering because I’m trying to get that tinkerer mask on mastery and I am getting absolutely demolished. But I also do need to put this build together to run harder content

[astral kraken]

Where are you dying?

[foggy imp]

The first bot boss I can’t get passed that

[astral kraken]

What's killing you? Is it just too many enemies to handle or the rocket barrages?

[foggy imp]

The rockets

Even trying to hide behind the crates it’s getting me

[astral kraken]

Pretty sure you can run back inside the previous room and hide from them there.

[violet juniper]

they're identical, just opposites

does x% of damage to lowest/highest tier of opponent

[winged prism]

fighting every urge to do the reddit move and post the definition of identical rn

[foggy imp]

I’ll try that today. Ran heroic 16 times and had 💩 luck getting it to drop.

[cerulean smelt]

nods normal to challenging i think are single digit percents while heroic is low double digit, thinking 10%?

[foggy imp]

Yeah I was hoping to get it within 10 tries but nope. So just going to take an hour trying it on masters for a guarantee drop

[chrome cradle]

So I got the gloves now what

[foggy imp]

Use a chest piece with obliterate or glass cannon. Maybe the one that gives you 10% lmg damage or a ceska if your crit chance is lower than 60

[cerulean smelt]

uninstall the game and quit playing maybe? just play i say or look at other builds

[chrome cradle]

Fs I’ll go back to Warframe thx

[meager fog]

Get rid of that awful mask

[foggy imp]

@meager fog I like the name change

[chrome cradle]

I was using it as a replacement cuz all I have is coyotes

[cerulean smelt]

lol, well, like Crisco said check your chance, could also change those blues you have

[meager fog]

Ideally you want TS mask, and a Ceska Oblit or Glass Cannon chest

[chrome cradle]

I think I have the glass cannon chest

[cerulean smelt]

but make sure you're at 60% crit chance honestly

[meager fog]

Needs to be ceska, vital you hit 60% crit chance to get the best from TS

[patent fossil]

When you run out, immediately behind you to the right there's stairs up to a balcony, hide up there and you're pretty much safe from everything except the occasional spawn wave from a door right behind you (which can generally be burnt down quickly, just keep your ears open for it)

[foggy imp]

Awesome advice thank you. Will try this after work

[onyx sage]

we just stay inside the house

unless you're speedrunning there's little reason to go outside

(these 2 statements will be taken out of context and it's intentional)

[foggy imp]

I’m struggling right now just because I’m not running momento so I’m super squishy. But might try throwing on 1 armor core and running momento to see if it’s a little better on mastery @onyx sage

[patent fossil]

Tbf staying inside the house sounds like the safer approach, not one I've tried myself

[cerulean smelt]

i'm honestly trying to picture a house in this map

[magic pilot]

I can help you this weekend if you can't get it

@urban latch

[cerulean smelt]

huh? figured you'd ping player instead (> <)

[magic pilot]

He doesn't have a ps5 sadly, Raucey does

[cerulean smelt]

ahhhh, i just seee you have ubi and thought how nice and why not player over raucey 😹 makes sense though

christmas is coming on, force player on ps5

[magic pilot]

I originally played PS, switched to PC only now. But my brother has a ps5 that I can use if I need to help someone

[cerulean smelt]

any platform you prefer? or doesn't make much difference in general?

[foggy imp]

Would greatly appreciate that

[spark plaza]

I have a future initiative build (mask, chest, holster, knee pads), the BTSU gloves and the hermano named backpack (with repair skill and repair skill mod), i wanted to swap out this piece by an "Alps Summit Armaments" bakcpack with repair skill and the talent safeguard that gives 130% total repair skill when at full armor.
At first without adding the repair skill mod to this new piece i was expecting to get more healing because of the 130% but when i went to the shooting range and compared the number i was getting more with the hermano, which is strange in my opinion do you have any idea why ?

[magic pilot]

Pc by far

I'm not locked at 30 fps lol, and MnK is easier to play

[onyx sage]

total repair skills isn't factored into the number, but also

1. you can see the number without going into the range
2. you shouldn't be prioritizing healing ironically on FI, since you heal more than enough already, so most would recommend using either hermano which you have or the setup which has perfect opportunistic

[cerulean smelt]

setup with scorpio boosts people's dps if they shoot your marked targets btw

[magic pilot]

I've also talked to your friend about this already

@spark plaza

[cerulean smelt]

is the full clip and 2 additional shots after reload that boosts dps from scorpio?

[magic pilot]

1 extra shot after reload

[onyx sage]

just 8 shots which is scorpio full chamber, not 9 shots as written

[cerulean smelt]

9 is the shocking status then?

[onyx sage]

no, shock is 6, debuff boosting damage taken is 8, 9 is how it's written which is wrong

[magic pilot]

Oh it is?

[spark plaza]

Alright, good to know, thanks for the insight !
I know i can check outside but i was already there when doing some testing that's why.
Yeah i have both ready the hermano and the setup

[onyx sage]

yeah, it's 8

[cerulean smelt]

well, good to know anyways 😹

[spark plaza]

Oh which one ? I wasn't aware of that ^^

[cerulean smelt]

gasps you have more than 1 friend? 👀

[magic pilot]

Asura

[onyx sage]

you guys have friends???

[magic pilot]

I'm your friend🤭

[onyx sage]

sir your order is ready

[magic pilot]

Oh....

[pastel basin]

Really? I always went completely max healing for all 3x I’ve made the build lol

[magic pilot]

Only need 2-3 repair rolls

[pastel basin]

👀 damn 😭

And then the rest is skill haste?

Well I never really had a problem with the skill haste

[magic pilot]

Yea

Replied to the wrong one

[pastel basin]

It’s okayyy, also why do most people use brazen in speedruns instead of just straight up rock n roll?

[onyx sage]

damage

[long nexus]

When do we get sinister shade Chest? I’ve logged on every day for the lady-4-5 days and I’ve never gotten any project to complete the set. Anybody else know why?

[magic pilot]

Don't think there is one

[amber crater]

if you go to projects, you don't have the project Halloween 25 Event?

[magic pilot]

There's a hoodie that's it

[long nexus]

No it’s not there

[magic pilot]

Also this is not the right channel, go to #ask-td2-community

[long nexus]

Just noticed that sorry daddy 😉

[coral reef]

A week later... yeah, that Pestilence build with perfect glass cannon is fantastic. I've even used it in heroic groups with no map. Just use your eyes bro. My new favourite build. 5 stars to PGC

[lament reef]

another convert to the church of pgc

[onyx sage]

my tears are welling up...

[astral kraken]

it really is a beautiful sight

[gloomy spruce]

pgc... I have so many memories of having to pick those people up

🤦‍♂️

Birdie's Quick Fix is the best complimentary piece of equipment in a group if the 3 other players insist on using pgc.

[worn imp]

Cant heartbreaker reach a higher burst DPS than strikers?

[magic pilot]

Not really

[worn imp]

How come when i actually compared it with 2 different optimal weapons using the same weapon, heartbreakers damage exeeded striker's?

[magic pilot]

Damage per shot yes, dps no

Strikers has 15% more rof from the 3 pc

[worn imp]

oh cause of rof?

[magic pilot]

Also if you are comparing identical builds with 4 pc of both. No chest or backpack. HB is 50% strikers is 65% buff

So something in your comparison is off

[coral reef]

i mean i would not use it on Legendary 👀 but for that pestilence build, PGC just melts everything on Heroic, solo and group, directives or no directives.

[red island]

pgc is fine
just dont get hit

[coral reef]

Sorry but i'm a PGC crusader now. Made the game even more fun for me

[winged prism]

been saying this since day 1 😌

[pastel basin]

@magic pilot what build would I run if I was to be doing IH?

[magic pilot]

where did you find an evernote link lol

[hexed steppe]

Run it on nego with overdogs. Maybe with bluescreen instead of pesti tho. That's what I been using in legs lately

[pastel basin]

Still in the pinned comment lol

The spreadsheet leads to a Google docs and then the link in the Google docs leads to the builds for tanking

[magic pilot]

ah i see now

[pastel basin]

Also @magic pilot how do you make your skills and grenades and stuff have this outline looking thing?

[subtle bluff]

color blind mode

[pastel basin]

😲

Ohhh thanksssss

[glossy rover]

hey anyone need a hazard emperors guard got it in my contam

drop user ill invite you so you can kill me and extract it

[solar sable]

wrong channel

[glossy rover]

the right channel doesnt get looked at

its a piece for a build someone might be build crafting

so is it really the wrong channel?

[solar sable]

yeah basically

[silent storm]

Get a Ceska mask with CHC CHD and you're golden

[silent storm]

And reconfigure your Bluescreen to 9.5 CHC

[silent storm]

Glass Cannon isn't really needed on Tipping Scales. The Backpack is too good to pass up on so keep that as well.

[chrome cradle]

Funny you say that

[silent storm]

I mean you have Ceska and GC so if you like it keep it

[hexed steppe]

Fill out you mod slots 😉

Glass is superior

[chrome cradle]

Was gonna in a sec

[silent storm]

This is how I like the Bluescreen as I don't like the DMG+ GC gives because I play way to aggressive for it

[hexed steppe]

Glass frontloads a lot of damage

[chrome cradle]

Time to test this stuff out

Using bullet king instead of bluescreen

[solar sable]

well, it's not the same saying that "gc isn't needed" to "I don't like glass/gc"

[hexed steppe]

If you replaced the ts pieces with nego, you would have the build i* use for legs. Bluescreen is goated 🐐

[chrome cradle]

Bullet king superior

[silent storm]

It really isn't needed, it's a nice boost if you can avoid taking agro. Usually I will only go GC if I have a shield in front of me

[hexed steppe]

Glass applies to the shield

[silent storm]

A person infront of me with a shield

[solar sable]

bullet king just has a no-reload talent, that doesn't make it better as Bluescreen has a CC talent. It's about preference and what you wanna do with it

[hexed steppe]

Bk is pretty good on ts. Synergizes well. On nego, not so much

[chrome cradle]

I dread reloading.

[silent storm]

ANd like I said last night Bluescreen reload is negligable because of how fast it is

[solar sable]

well yeah we all do lol

[hexed steppe]

But yeah, lmg in general are doing good at this point

[silent storm]

LMG are broken if I'm being honest

[subtle bluff]

Hold that thought

[hexed steppe]

Video incoming?

[solar sable]

lololol

[hexed steppe]

Knew it 😂

[subtle bluff]

Can't doubt anything afterwards.

[astral kraken]

eye twitches

[subtle bluff]

You don't have a eye tho...