td2-build-advice

[gaunt grove]

Lower scores are better.

[meager fog]

Nego

#td2-build-advice message

[grizzled garnet]

Isnt the harvest that revolver everyone wants for determined builds

[fierce olive]

sum like this?

[meager fog]

You don't need the PS piece, Ceska with Obliterate or Glass Cannon best

[fierce olive]

for sure? dont i need some sort of armor regen?

[meager fog]

You get 10% AoK from the gunner spec, more than enough

[fierce olive]

alright

[meager fog]

THis is mine

[fierce olive]

sick alright i´ll pretty much copy that, i choose the smaller stats on my pieces based on what chc/chd i want right

[meager fog]

60% CHC is vital, after that it's all CHD

[fierce olive]

this what i got rn but prolly just the event pushing me up, im so low shd level

[meager fog]

Yeah event is giving you 25% CHC and 50% CHD

[fierce olive]

alright sick

[fierce olive]

what skills are you using?

[meager fog]

Foam Chem and EMP sticky

[vivid shard]

how do I make system corruption work best in conflict and DZ?

[gentle lichen]

You don't

[fierce olive]

no blue cores for sure?

[meager fog]

Heres the thing:

This game wants you to kill enemies fast. Armour doesn't help with that, even having full blue and armour regeneration in high difficulty all your armour is gone in seconds.

Learning to use a DPS build is about using the environment to your advantage, breaking the enemy LoS and focusing on creating a firing lane for yourself to herd the enemies into.

Always remember: Dead enemies can't hurt you

[vivid shard]

is there just no hope for system corruption? is every other standard option better?

[red island]

sus corr is def not great, pvp has several méta build, with various degrees of difficulty, sys corr is def way weaker than the méta rn

[red island]

it's nice to roam in dz undetected, that's about it

100% crit chance ?

[vivid shard]

is that it? is that all it does well? isnt 100% bonus armor really good?

[vivid shard]

the event upped the CHC cap

[red island]

it's not really great, it's just a good build to run around and survive a bit, but as for damage/utility, it's useless, a single cc on u and u cant do anything

[red island]

not to 100% tho ? it's supposed to be at 85

[vivid shard]

arent other builds weak to CC too?

the meta doesnt just have haz pro on everything, right?

[red island]

most pvp build want haz pro, to avoid that

not all of them are haz pro heavy, but most

Just one guy running any cc skill or weapon makes you useless if you dont have that

they also track u with that cc even without pulse cause u can follow damage numbers

[vivid shard]

fire and foam are just gonna kill me, but if they dont have it, will I win the 1v1?

[red island]

no, sys corr doesnt have damage either, as I said, u just good to run and hide

[vivid shard]

20% extra damage is nothing?

[red island]

no, it's not, compare it to striker or any set with a normal dps talent

it's good to sneak around, that's it

[mild dawn]

there was some sort of system corruption support build for a group but i forgot what goes into it

[vivid shard]

how is it gonna support? surv medkits with everyday carrier?

[mild dawn]

eat kits

[red island]

I mean if you wanna support ur team while staying hidden that's an option

and u can share healing with survivalist iirc

would require some test tho

pvp is very spécial tbh, most people dont know what they are doing, and thoses who do are so far above anything else they just mop the floor with no counterplay

so if you dont know which side of this you're on, you're on the first

[vivid shard]

i absolutely do not know what I'm doing

[red island]

then be ready for a world of hurt if you go into pvp

[vivid shard]

ok so what I've learned so far about doing well in pvp is:

[red island]

having the right build is 90% of the work

positioning and situational awareness is the rest

[vivid shard]

always have a haz pro build just in case your enemy has a status effect build, 80% of skills are useless, and always have 4 different builds to swap to

[meager fog]

UI is broken, it caps at 85%

[meager fog]

Full Red Nego vs Heroic "Kill Squad"

[grand girder]

it doesnt in game, when at 100% all bullets are crits even in chat damage numbers

[meager fog]

It literally does, you can have 100% and will still hit none crits.

[grand girder]

huh I tested it earlier and all were crits on my end visual bug maybe?

[meager fog]

I deliberately put mine at 110% and got non crits, it's a bug

[gentle lichen]

5 seconds to make use of the bonus armor and the damage
I can just strafe you until that ends and then you have no bonus armor and no damage and you have a dead 4 pc gearset

[strong cave]

I am Donald J Trump and I approve of this message

[calm tree]

Why nego and not striker?

[meager fog]

Both are good, Nego has higher DPS potential with no stacking.

Strikers has higher single target damage.

The person I replied to specifically asked about Nego, TS or OD

[celest swallow]

if im using bighorn hb should i go all in on headshot dmg artibute ?

[patent fossil]

probably not, bighorn has such a huge HSD bonus that you'll get heavily diminished returns, and be even weaker against enemies that don't have heads

[celest swallow]

so sap out to cc cd

bc atm i have 41 cc and 92 cd with 160 hd

[patent fossil]

yeah

[celest swallow]

also picaro holester or forge ? if i pick my fights i can tank well with picaro on legendary

[uneven cove]

anyone got a funky diamondback build just for fun? re-downloaded the game to do brooklyn dlc

[celest swallow]

yea swaping hd for cc/cd was good idea alltho bighorn lost abit of dmg my aa12 dose some great dps now i was able to decently melt goldbars but now its even more efficent

need to get better aa 12 tho bc i have shit minor atribute

[meager fog]

Diamonback isn't really used, purely because it just isn't very good

[uneven cove]

i know its not good

but its kinda boring 1 tapping everyone with ravenous

[leaden patio]

Whats recommended to run with bluescreen for solo play? I like the idea of OD but I've seen that it doesn't perform too good for solo

[elfin summit]

What's your Chest? Chainkiller?

I do want to replicate your build.

[meager fog]

Ceska Obliterate, although I normally use Glass Cannon

[patent fossil]

#td2-build-advice message
Negotiators dilemma, like this ^

[rich lotus]

Glass cannon is so fun to use. Tend to run it in countdown but use coyote instead of overdog for team support

[meager fog]

Too many Coyotes in countdown already, as a DPS your role is to get your damage as high as possible to make the most of other peoples buffs.

Overdogs are best in slot for DPS

[rich lotus]

90% of the teams I get they have overdogs equipped. Maybe everyone is out for themselves 🤣

[meager fog]

So too should you be, especially in pubs.

You can't control what others use, but you can get yourself set up.

[rich lotus]

Is it better to run shield with reviver hive or banshee with reviver for sticky situations. Haven’t gotten any good mods for the chem launcher yet

[meager fog]

IN my honest opinion, you need to try and move away from shield and revive hive. Having crutches like that makes you play worse as you know you have a back up. Plus an all red shield is not helpful in Heroic/Master/Legendary.

I would recommend removing the shield first.

[hexed steppe]

Revive/emp sticky

Emp sticky has an instant use function that's overlooked.

[meager fog]

Emp Sticky is great, helps with ability spam in Lego too

[hexed steppe]

In legs revive is gonna be ideal as well

[meager fog]

Another reason to not take shield, you can't use it to proc bluescreen 😛

[meager fog]

Banshee isn't great with builds like Nego, OD and Strikers because if the enemy are close enough to you that you can affect them with it you're already dead

Works beter with HF

[rich lotus]

How do you get the emp sticky

[hexed steppe]

Really? Banshee is great for when shtf... contrary hf already disorients on kill

[meager fog]

I guess, buut I prefer not to let them get close enough to need to use it 😛 There's always one that escapes my cone lmao

[hexed steppe]

Personally if it isn't a build running revive, banshee/emp sticky is a solid combo. For me emp sticky just stronger if I had to chose between the 2

[meager fog]

My whole playtstyle is if I need the banshee, i've messed up somewhere lol

[hexed steppe]

Banshee also puts something like outcast rusher in slowmo

[hexed steppe]

So if you messed up somewhere, wouldnt an option to give some breathing room in a pinch be a good idea?

[buoyant perch]

#ask-td2-community

[hexed steppe]

Banshe/emp sticky/jammer all fast use options

[meager fog]

I'm not saying the option isn't there to use if you want/need it.

I guess I'm more at a point of I want to do things flawlessly, rather than have a panic button.

For most DPS builds the skills are normally only there to proc something else/or help with stacking and spawn locks (just my opinion) Gun play, positioning and knowledge of the map is what I try to use to survive.

[hexed steppe]

I countered because I thought your reasoning was flawed

[rich lotus]

@meager fog is riot foam better over chem launcher

[meager fog]

Riot foam is one of the Chem Launcher options

[rich lotus]

Sticky bomb my apologies

[meager fog]

I use the riot foam for spawn locking (and in some cases it's handy to give you a little breathing space to move into a preferential spot without allowing the enemies to flood out into the map)

THe EMP sticky I use to directly combat the Skill spam in lego

Specifically, the Drones. It helps alot.

If i'm not playing Lego, the foam is far more useful.

In Lego I use both

[meager fog]

My logic is never perfect 😛

[rich lotus]

What’s the other skill that you pick to pair with riot foam?

[meager fog]

Outside of Lego? Smart cover mostly

[rich lotus]

Or just in general since you get to pick two haha

[meager fog]

Riot foam is always used on most of my builds 😛

The second one I go between EMP Sticky and Smart Cover depending on the situation

[rich lotus]

I just switched over to technician over gunner so I’ll get this maxed out and see if I can get better at surviving without those lol

[leaden patio]

which attribute do i want to pick up on my bluescreen?

[meager fog]

CHC

[rich lotus]

@dorky with the reviver hive do you know why when I go down it doesn’t revive me

[meager fog]

It won't work if you've recently been EMP'd

For example when you're fighting a hunter and they EMP flash you, it won't work if you go down

[gentle lichen]

if you like camping you can use tech and throw down reviver hive and stay close to it

[rich lotus]

@meager fog what are the best attachments I should be looking for on the launcher

[meager fog]

On your chem launcher?

[rich lotus]

Yeah

[meager fog]

+1 ammo and ensnare duration

[rich lotus]

I have +1 but I only have esnare health

[meager fog]

Ensnare health was what I meant.

When you ensnare an enemy, the foam has a health bar, Chungas and elites can break free from the foam before it runs its duration (the same way you can when you hold F to break free) the more health it has the longer this takes

For heavy enemies, Ensnare health is paramount to help the foam last longer

[rich lotus]

Damn this already feels so much more efficient thank you for your advice. I’ll work on perfecting it

[stark flicker]

What rifles are good with nego?

[meager fog]

None really

[meager fog]

Anything else you need, ask away

[marsh river]

hey. didnt play in a while. what is the meta gun for hotshot headhunter now? solo/group random heroic content

using srs a1 atm.. seems still good.

[red island]

didnt change much, u can still do it it's effective vs everything except helmet/chunga

[marsh river]

yes i understand that, i was asking about gun specifically

[meager fog]

White Death/Shroud/SR-1

[worn elbow]

Anyone got a good build for shroud exotic?

[marsh river]

shroud.. new on the season pass.. cool. i prefer this build, headhunter is always my goto for years

[red island]

most bolt action snipers are good enough, srs a1 too, even the 1886 is good

[meager fog]

1886 is a rifle

[red island]

didnt say it was

the magnum pistol can work too for this

[onyx sage]

no, ensnare health is useless and only relevant in pvp where you have teammates that will shoot the foam out.

ensnare duration is what you want

[red island]

oh I was wondering a thing about turmoil, the damage transfered is applied to which part lf the body ? on nego it's chest iirc, is it the same here ?

[mint axle]

Chest probably, just like pestilence.

[red island]

so on a head shot build u could kill a helmet guy by proxy this way ? only chunga would be immune to a oneshot

[onyx sage]

random part

[red island]

ah, that's unlucky, even if the head is only 1/6 chance

[onyx sage]

it's like negotiator basically

[red island]

isnt nego only chest ?

[mint axle]

But the thing is: either the damage applies to the body or applies to a different property that makes the helmet break when the user dies. For example if you kill a hyena rusher with the sweet dreams, it's going to kill it but it's going to break the helmet for some reason also.

[amber crater]

I think what matters is where you hit your target and what damage your shot cause, since that will be split and 50% of it will be transferred to another enemy nearby 🤔

[red island]

yeah but we talk about the other enemy, if they have armor plates

[red island]

hm, im gonna test some stuff tonight to see how it works

[amber crater]

"When dealing Weapon Damage to an enemy, 50% of the damage will be dealt to another enemy within 30m instead. When there are no enemies nearby, deal damage normally. Does not apply to Armor Plates"

[onyx sage]

yeah mb, it's chest only

[mint axle]

As far as I know they are immune to turnmoil talent at full armor.

[onyx sage]

i just rewatched footage

[red island]

OK then if it's chest it's good to kill helmets

that make head shot build better vs them

now I need to test if you break a chunga helmet if the damage is transfered or if u break his chest

like if they are fully armored it wont work but if you break 1 part we need to check

funny how a joke item for aprils fool could be such a game changer lol

[mint axle]

My theory is that is just like the pestilence, like: a chunga has six part of armor, and with each part lost, it will receive like 16,6% of the damage.

[red island]

ill test it out, ill tell u how it goes

same way I tested spec weapon damage

[cerulean smelt]

i can tell you this. if you headshot a non-armored npc and an armored npc is near by they both die while the armored npc's get the helmet break mechanic but they're dead

[red island]

even chunga ?

that's what interest me

[mint axle]

Man, this is so confusing

[cerulean smelt]

perhaps, i had it happen wtih a hyena rusher (helmeted npc with the pouch on thier left leg)

[red island]

yeah, I need a complete confirmation, so ill test it

[mint axle]

To make the context easier to understand, I would call the helmet users helmeted and the chungas armored.

[red island]

imma test all body parts

so we know for sure how it works and it's not random

[meager fog]

Yeah but no.

Nego is chest only but also turmoil is divided damage. Nego deals 112% of the damage to a target you have marked yourself.

Turmoil is random

[red island]

turmoil target is random, doesnt mean the body part is, need to find out

[meager fog]

Which was my point.

Turmoil randomly targets any enemy, not even the same enemy each time.

Hence why its bad.

Nego targets enemies that you have actively sought it to target

[buoyant perch]

Chunga should be called armor-plated

[marsh river]

does the infinite TAC-50 ammo build still work?

i think it was a gletch with the hollow point ammo set

[honest moss]

Anyone messed around with the uncapped chc for this weekend? 100% is more like 99% for me, wondering if there is a hard limit in the code. And if there is any builds i should try out with this stuff. Thanks

[red island]

i didnt say turmoil was good, i said it could be useful in some niche build but for that we need to know how it works

its not the first time you have trouble reading the words i wrote

[cerulean smelt]

Usual hard cap is 60% the event is to let us reach 85% but it's more likely bfb opening active modifirer recycled without the red, blue and yellow icons

[honest moss]

I have been able to go over 85% even over 100%. Visual bug? I thought it was 85% cap too

[meager fog]

It isnt uncapped.

Its capped at 85% anything above is a UI error

[honest moss]

Appreciated thanks

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much what dorky told me as i posted a pic above on a build that should've just be at 85% cap but i was 10% over that

[honest moss]

Just had me confused was all since i thought i read it was 85% the "new" cap. Thank you both

[gray radish]

Best build to defeat huntsman? I used striker all red but dang I feel like I just pinch him

[meager fog]

If you're using the strongest single target DPS build in the game and don't feel you're doing enough damage then the build isn't the issue.

Houndsman is essentially a hunter. Who is also immune to most status effects.

The best way to kill him is to gun him down.

[red island]

striker is best build to kill him, u can lower difficulty if u need, its immune to everything but gun damage

[gray radish]

thanks guys

[subtle bluff]

If nothing you can stack on the dogs with acs12 quickly and then just dps him down

[red island]

remember to stay in cover as much as possible

[onyx sage]

we were discussing the body part turmoil deals damage to, not the target

[mint axle]

Use a red build for lmg and pestilence.

[agile citrus]

it's been a long time, but I think we got a dev responce on this that said, "hunters (the whole discussion revolved around foaming hunters in CD) use the foam health to dictate how long they take to get free." supposedly while npc's dont shoot the foam, it is considered the defining factor on how long they struggle

since the dev rectified this, Iv never swapped off the mods for my chem launcher.

the dev clarified the reason for this is because the raid mechanic in... I want to say IH? actually dictates the rules of riot foam effect. which means hp is the deciding factor with ai. even if we the players can use "E" to break free

[onyx sage]

source?

[agile citrus]

its in community server dicord

gen chat or something. can use chat search for.. prob ensnare health. it was some giant convo between me, chow, and some other company source. it wasl ike 8 months ago

[calm tree]

Is summit still best for farming specific gear?

[meager fog]

Countdown

[calm tree]

Sick, I’m gonna try to get that nego gear tonight

[agile citrus]

summit is only best if you have floor 90. in this use, you leave 1 npc alive, kill all 3 boss, loot them, then open map and hit "return to lobby" without killing last mob

[calm tree]

Oh bc boss drops the best stats im guessing?

[agile citrus]

your gaurnteed 3 pieces of loot, which is effective

cd, give 2 loot drops per objective, from each boss, with a random low % of mob drop. the last objective has a healthy loot drop and so do the last 4 hunters and helicopter. but its about a 20 min investment. due to dps values. its up to you whats worth more for your time

[lost wren]

if you're doing countdown you do challenging also, heroic takes a while and you usually get wiped in pubs

[agile citrus]

between being kicked if you dont iniate the group, the likely hood of success in heroic, unless you the big carry, isnt high enough to dodge challenging

the only build Iv ever successfully managed to carry heroic in, and iv tried many builds is a bighorn crit build. 4 piece heartbreaker, FP, memento, 5 6% cc, 3 pfe and technician. using riot foam for basic fighting, and emp pulse into emp grenade to roll the dogs. its possible with tech to use a hive to mute the emp hunter pulse, but hard to time, if you dont pick it up hunters steal its use

3 blue core, 4 red (memento)

[agile citrus]

timing isnt a super thing. cd has time sinks that are bigger than player dps. like guarding terminals and hiking to kingdom come. also, the ending, is always a 4 min reset.

your pretty much stuck. you can shorten it by doing both objectives at once, but I can count on one hand how many times Iv seen this carried out in a mming

[calm tree]

Been matching for a few minutes now :/ don’t think there’s too many ppl doing summit

[marsh river]

striker with protection from elite

i was scrolled up far and tried to reply to how to kill the huntsman.. my bad.

[agile citrus]

he doesnt respond to pfe btw. its so gross
pesti is SUPER good on him tho. prob neg too

[lost wren]

just use zealot

[red island]

or advanced materials, it just shred him

[lost wren]

made the od build after i got carnage, got pretty lucky with a groll too
though do i keep using wicket on bp? or switch to vigilance?

[subtle bluff]

Read the talents.

[solar sable]

oh wait no

[lost wren]

25% vs 18% ig

[subtle bluff]

No the other point in them.

When there up or losted.

[lost wren]

ye
one is by status effects the other is passive but goes away with damage taken

i know how the talents work i'm just curious as to which one i should run
unless it doesn't matter and it's up to personal preference

[subtle bluff]

One has pretty much high uptime the other one you can’t get hit.

Your call at this rate.

[solar sable]

imo Vigi is indeed strong and can get you slightly higher numbers vs Wicked

as Chow said, you can't get hit with Vigi and it's up to you

[gentle lichen]

don't get hit? vigi better
get hit? wicked better

[solar sable]

OH NO!

[gentle lichen]

i need to watch jojo part 3 again

[lost wren]

still need to get a ceska piece with glass cannon
really dumb that you can't craft it

[buoyant perch]

if you are using glass, just use perfect glass

[lost wren]

the crit chance from ceska helps significantly more than 5% more damage

for this weekend i guess it's fine because of the bonuses we get, but not for general

[onyx sage]

it really depends tbh, if you have too high crit pgc is better, like in TS or nego

[lost wren]

i suppose

[onyx sage]

also pgc is actually 4% increase (1.3/1.25 = 1.04) but it's close enough

[buoyant perch]

just use perfect glass and perfect vigilance and you have that 10% crit chance if it's striker

[agile citrus]

vigils most useful state is behind a teamamte aggro or behind a shield. your using lmg, so not shield. also theres a reason to not use perfect vigil. I forget what it was. I know its not a dmg buff, it a 1 sec cd drop off after hit. but... it has something to do with the perf brand and what you could use instead. might be a fine brand, but its just longer grind so people dont bother.

its the grind. if I remember properly, I usually dont with these semi meta stuffs. people perfer ceska over providence, the perf vigil. but if you have perf glass and perf vigil, this is moot, as second prov talent is first ceska talent. but at the end of the day it really doesnt matter as perf vigil is 3 sec recovery, over 4, with no dmg inc

[gentle lichen]

you can still use vigi in solo with high success rate but it will depend on how good you are

you can use decoy and corner peek for example to have high uptime on it

[dreamy valve]

Anyone still using tipping scales for their LMG builds?

[subtle bluff]

A lot of us. I love it in group setting like leggo.

[meager fog]

The issue is that you aren't generating bonus armour so Vigilance will spend alot of time down.

Vigilance is fantastic with any build that gains bonus armour

Vs Wicked which is active 100% of the time on an OD build

[subtle bluff]

Anyone active in-game atm?

[meager fog]

Me, why?

[subtle bluff]

Can you get me a SS of Refactor BP?

I have 2 numbers say 40 and 80% I”m sure it’s 40.

[meager fog]

It's 80

[gentle lichen]

whut was it about

[subtle bluff]

Copy thanks

[gentle lichen]

sounds quite interesting
shame that memento is a thing

[meager fog]

When using the refractor set, it's a godsend tbh

[meager fog]

Vigilance most useful state is behind bonus armour.

Vigilance stays active as long as your armour/health doesnt take damage.

As long as you have or generate bonus armour it will never turn off

[meager fog]

?

[gentle lichen]

uhh woohoo you got 3 exotics

[pastel basin]

😭 it was an accident

[dreamy valve]

Nice exotic farm build yo

[meager fog]

Also: Print Screen exists

[red island]

man thats why i dont get exo he took them all

[onyx sage]

ye pgc works better

[lost wren]

still looking for a ceska piece with glass cannon for striker

[red island]

obliterate is fine too

[subtle bluff]

I used Obliterate still on and off with it.

[lost wren]

ye obliterate is what i use right now
still want ceska with glass for the option

farming for hours has had no luck however

[subtle bluff]

It’s a unicorn. Meh

[lost wren]

[subtle bluff]

I got mine passively. During a leggo mission I think. End farming if there's a master mission with the loot you want they drop a ton do it.

[lost wren]

i could try that

[elfin summit]

Ceska, huh? A brand?

[subtle bluff]

Yes?

[cerulean smelt]

Might as well get one where it has chc & chd so you can freely change the talent

[lost wren]

that's what i've been farming for bruh

[subtle bluff]

Ya that’s what we’ve talking about!

[sour smelt]

Trying to dabb in to different builds but do anyone of you have a bleed build?

[subtle bluff]

For DOT Bleed stats is the lowest on of them all.
If you’re looking for a “bleed” build it would be OD (Ongoing Directive) it’s red DPS build.
If you want stats effect build it would be EP (Eclipse Protocol)

You can find both builds in the Pinned Messages > Gearsheet > Build Hub

[buoyant perch]

Rise's triple DOT build (pestilence + bleed + vile). Status effect as attribute.

[solar sable]

what. the. hell.

[hexed steppe]

well, its different

[magic pilot]

Shout out bro clan

[buoyant perch]

The build makes sense for what he wants to achieve

[solar sable]

it looks like a build from tux's vids

[magic pilot]

It's pretty solid. It's on the spreadsheet too

[magic pilot]

I got it featured in a tux video lol

[solar sable]

IT WAS THAT ONE?! lmao

[hazy steeple]

I love how it uses Pestilence because that totally works with....okay I can't keep this up. What is that thing?

[buoyant perch]

Regnbue (retired spreadsheet contributor) covered it a long long time ago

[magic pilot]

PGC and red cores buff pesti ticks

[hazy steeple]

If there was a SHD 30 on the left-hand side of the screen, no one would bat an eye.

[magic pilot]

Crit doesn't that why they went with status effects

[subtle bluff]

It's a thing. Off meta pesti.

This is a @shy willow thing.

[shy willow]

Can confirm it's actually pretty sweet

It's like a budget version of the 3 lengmo setup with a sprinkle of support courtesy of OD

[hexed steppe]

whats the bleed+vile ticks on this, and does it cover the loss on actual bullet damage? i just wonder if its truely worth speccing all that status to accommodate vile. pesti can be used or not regardless, but trading a red core seems little counter productive. link me the maths video if its easier.

arent the pesti lengmo setups still using crit?

[cerulean smelt]

I use a pestilence 3 lengmo build and it's all crit based

[subtle bluff]

This is what show. I've never used the build yet.

[subtle bluff]

ikia has one.

[fervent ore]

For smg9 which is better measured or killer

[subtle bluff]

Depends what you're using it for.

[fervent ore]

Solo open world content

[subtle bluff]

Killer

[fervent ore]

Okay how is dark winter compared to smg 9(killer)

[subtle bluff]

First let me say:
Weapon Talent

• Killer is an amazing talent but only if you can reliably get kills with CHC. So solo play is great.
• Measured is pretty much good most of the time.

[subtle bluff]

When the talent is up DW will out burst but the Mag from SMG9 crazy bigger.

[fervent ore]

Ahh okayy

[subtle bluff]

Imo and on paper Tac Vector 9mm out does DW.

[meager fog]

SMG9 go vrrrrrrt

[subtle bluff]

But you need to be on point due less mag size

[calm tree]

What are the stats on the nego pieces if you don’t mind me asking?

[meager fog]

Weapon damage and then CHC/CHD as needed

[agile citrus]

this was what I was looking for earlier. thx

[agile citrus]

🤔
does obliterate count as wd for pesti?

as long as Im making a unicorn set, Id like to know if olb is almost GC for pesti dot

[meager fog]

Yes

But also no, Glass cannon is an amp. Obliterate is additive TWD.

[agile citrus]

sigh. theres unicorn set for blue/yellow core obl and fenris, whos natural drop leans into red attributes.. and then theres unicorns with base core yellow/blue that grin maliciously at you

[cerulean smelt]

not sure why there's a fenris unicorn for other attributes/cores

[agile citrus]

the fenris was an old one. some peoples still like it. It was in fact my first unicorn. but it was just for examples sake, of saying natural red core piece, lean into red attribute drops, while blue and yellow are infuriating

[cerulean smelt]

the most infuriating one for me was backbone. brand usually armor core but this one was skill tier

[agile citrus]

Iv destroyed prob 70 legmos at this point. Im so disappointed Im going to take a break. christ

Im prob late af, but I never use this so now Im glaring at it, with thoughts.

[lost wren]

i worry about when i'm going to decide to try and get the habsburg pieces for my determined setup

that can only be pain

[agile citrus]

Im cleaning inventory and found this. its prob for 1 tap 1886

but Im 99% sure 1 tap 1886 using fp, soooooo

[stark pike]

Found a god rolled Lightweight M4.
Is it worth keeping or is it a non viable weapon?

[red island]

its viable

[urban latch]

You'll already be using foxes, and chainkiller is still better anyways

[leaden patio]

whats the current best one shot build with low expertise?

[urban latch]

depends on the situation and what exactly you mean by one shot

like are you looking for a headhunter build or 1 shotting a specific boss?

[leaden patio]

I mean the one shot determined builds for open world

[urban latch]

theres two main builds, hunters fury or the high end set. theres a guide for both in the pinned google doc

[magic pilot]

It also depends if you go rifle or mmr

[lost wren]

for high end regulus setup, would the more newer imminence armaments set be better or would you still use the old setup?

[gentle lichen]

Douglas bag can surely scale hh better

Oh i'm cooked

[lost wren]

punch drunk is right there lol

[gentle lichen]

Images loaded for me like this and i was like dch talent on kneepad??

[lost wren]

two backpacks, two gloves, two kneepads

new secret tech??????

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i tend to look at brands not gear pieces anymore

[gentle lichen]

I mean which one does more damage

[lost wren]

i don't know
hence why i'm asking

[gentle lichen]

I thought you had the two builds there
I might have these pieces

[lost wren]

i have the pieces and can make the builds but nothing is fully optimized

so damage numbers are skewed a bit if i go to test it myself

[magic pilot]

Left one is more reg dmg

[lost wren]

with imminece armaments?

[magic pilot]

Yea

[lost wren]

gotcha
also for leggo content can high end work? or is headhunter's fury the one you need?

[magic pilot]

I'd go HHF personally

[lost wren]

gotcha

so something like this

[magic pilot]

Yep

For FTC with HHF I'd go tech spec and bulwark shield tho

[lost wren]

ftc?

[magic pilot]

First time clear

[lost wren]

ah ok

[magic pilot]

It's a lot more forgiving, shield is a little tankier, can run arti if you want as well, decoy and foam good too

[lost wren]

i run decoy and bulwark

decoy is so good

[silent storm]

Great weapon, I like it with Rifleman.

[lost wren]

i run firewall and use white death with streamline for the first shot and m870 with brazen

[lost wren]

FINALLY got it man

[onyx sage]

nice

[lost wren]

crit chance roll is a bit low but it should be fine

[dreamy valve]

Guys

I’m looking forward to the blue core overdrive next

[obtuse crystal]

Remove blue Cores they’re overrated

[onyx sage]

blue core overdrive when it gives you free 100% DR

[dreamy valve]

I’ll even take 15% for each blue core

Then stack on pfe, defender drone, bonus armor, armor regen, 6 tier shield

Activate zealot as panic button

[cerulean smelt]

you're not the only one. curious how they'll implement it honestly. i forsee it'll be like the current weapon one where they select specific armor attributes like PFE, Haz Pro, Armor Regen, maybe health just because

[subtle bluff]

I still like uppies 6 skill tier "tank" build

Not trolling.

[magic pilot]

can confirm its real

[cerulean smelt]

so i google Uppies 6 skill tier tank build and i'll find it?

[calm tree]

dumb question, but is there any other way to farm Ouroboros that's not Lost Paradise? It's tough to find a team. No one seems to be doing it anymore.

[cerulean smelt]

this server rough, look for GCRock discord and check there or your favorite streamer discord

[buoyant perch]

Wait till the end of every season - "stretched goal" and you have a super super small chance of getting it by grinding seasonal XP

[cerulean smelt]

that's like a .05% i think?

not to mention newer exotics gets put into that pool so it'll keep getting smaller

[calm tree]

jesus

is it even worth the grind?

[winged prism]

if youre just looking for absolute pure meta then probably not, but its very fun to use and still shreds

[calm tree]

What's the meta rn?

[subtle bluff]

I'll post it later.

[winged prism]

dps wise its strikers st elmos/lex, mind numbingly boring and you can absolutely use other builds with alot of success

so please dont think you have to use that its very overkill for this game

[buoyant perch]

Secondary can be ACS-12 or SMG-9 for close range.
SMG-9 is the best non exotic SMG right now

[subtle bluff]

It's 10% from the chest and 1% per boss.

[cerulean smelt]

the exclusive exotics?

[subtle bluff]

Ouro

For incursion

[cerulean smelt]

oh, someone mentioned getting it via the stretch goals

keep reading that GCRock tends to do learning runs for incrusion/raids

[subtle bluff]

I have run thru video in my bio

[obtuse crystal]

we teach faraday and how to oneshot bosses

were not that good teachers tbh to the raids

[cerulean smelt]

no clue just restating what i've read here in this server

at this point i probably won't have the patience to even teach the game

[obtuse crystal]

mine is wearing thin tbh because some people just dont listen and walk around like a headless chicken

[cerulean smelt]

for the raids i was treated like "stand here, point at that door. kill anything that moves out of it" i probably did more than that honestly but i stuck to near the spot i was told to stay at

[obtuse crystal]

ive told people to do that and then their on the other side of the bossfight

[cerulean smelt]

i still rememer being level 30 running Dark Hours and the old speed run strats used. i imagine it's changed drastically since level 40 and more brand/gear set choices in game along with decoys

AKA, having 2 people dedicated to Aces and Eights 2 shotting chungas

[obtuse crystal]

better than some of builds ive seen

i would take all red aces any day of the week instead of a blue core build

[cerulean smelt]

well, back then all red was common to run. since people were doing speed runs. think the group i ran with was in 5th? which ever it was where you get listed on the board and they were happy enough 😹

think next day we were bumped off but they didn't care

not to mention i dont think the tinkering or recalibration was in game yet, so getting aces with blue wasn't really heard of

[agile citrus]

I've been super bored, so I dusted off capacitor dtooc, Mario kart pistol with swap, asc12, dtooc and future perfect, technician, 3 piece striker, 2 yellow, 1 red, picaro holster with yellow core and prov chest with red and obl. Ninja bike bp.

[obtuse crystal]

mario kart pistol i love that youre calling it that

[agile citrus]

Lol I know it starts with an M and all I hear when I have it out is sonic theme song "gotta go faster faster!"

[cerulean smelt]

pistol doesn't start with an M except the model it's off of

[strong cave]

I always thought sport mode was because we are Jailbroken Teslas traveling at Ludicrous speed

[gentle lichen]

I'm just reliving my gauss prime trailer whenever i crank it out mid fight

[cerulean smelt]

that would've been an awesome reference if while we run we saw a plaide after image of us running (> <)

[vivid axle]

since when does crit chance show over 60

[calm tree]

Any tips on how to improve?

[main parcel]

Anyone have a good build for the tipping scales gear set?

[subtle bluff]

The Global event Modifiers. It goes away.

[cerulean smelt]

tomorrow it goes back to 60% cap

[subtle bluff]

Switch chest with a Ceska w/Obliterate

[cerulean smelt]

think people done overdogs over contractors too don't they?

[gentle lichen]

perchance

[pastel basin]

Wouldn’t this setup be better than with the matador? .5% more armor regen but at the same time it has 10% more status effects, and perfect intimidate once I get my hands on it, just not the 5% weapon damage buff from walker harris

Omg wrong photo

Also I’m just using the shield so the perfect intimidate stays procced during landmarks so i can clear them fast asf.

3% less bonus armor because I wouldn’t have perfect adrenaline rush as well

About to destroy the 2 people I get in my low level darkzones 😈

Im also about to get the hunter killer chest piece in like 20ish minutes once my game reaches 21:00

Oh also, what secondary could I run so I can use it for the landmarks, just so I don’t waste my AR ammo so I could use it for PvP

[calm tree]

Just did and don’t noticed much difference my chd it’s a bit lower that’s it

[gentle lichen]

shotgun

[subtle bluff]

For this weekend with this event maybe.

[cerulean smelt]

your major goal is getting as close to 60% chc as possible so you can dump everything into chd as much as possible

[gentle lichen]

it's ending today no?

[cerulean smelt]

today or tomorrow ish

[pastel basin]

Custom Model m870 MCS or m870 express?

[solar sable]

express

[pastel basin]

Ty

What even is the difference? They both basically have the same stats lol

[gentle lichen]

M870 family in its whole is great

[pastel basin]

And I want Brazen right?

[gentle lichen]

Yurr

[pastel basin]

Bet 😈 boutta get a god roll in 3 countdown runs fr

[solar sable]

just three? bro you're lucky asf
last time I farmed a m870 it took me 12 runs 😭

[subtle bluff]

I use KSG....

[hexed steppe]

@cerulean smelt just for shits and giggles since it came up the other day . i should be close to cap once this event is over. had cap hitting inthe 800k-900k top end, in range with no memento stacks.

-# Dont crucify me y'all, just for fun and not advice

[cerulean smelt]

lol, nice nice, think after event it'll still be good?

[hexed steppe]

idk if its even good now , but im gonna make some poor groups carry me around tonight

[marsh river]

arent FI healers using the new smart cover thingie instead of chem?

[hexed steppe]

doubt. probably more on a measured assembly healer

[marsh river]

feel like the chem is extremely rarely needed unless players are making poor decisions on legendary difficulty and the hive is not sufficient heals

the hive in itself is extremely potent most of the time in my experience

[hexed steppe]

was that a question or a statement before

[marsh river]

its obviously a statement to provide context for my question

[hexed steppe]

i was talking about your original question 🤦‍♂️

[marsh river]

what

[hexed steppe]

ive only really noticed smart cover being used on ma healers. not fi

[marsh river]

MA = ?

[hexed steppe]

👆

[marsh river]

dont think i have seen this

[hexed steppe]

ma an interesting set. its talent benefits from having people in hive and/or smartcover. if youve ran into a smartcover healer recently, its likely ma. personally i like fi better since its solid buff with the heals.

[fiery gust]

For a strict FI build, no, you're probably not using Smart Cover.

[marsh river]

okay let me clarify a little bit.
ive used FI healer a lot as solo random in group content, legendary and etc and it has many time been the group carry that keeps idiots alive through their mistakes, while also providing extremely nice damage buffs to the team. the build is absolutely god like and i think its one of the single best builds in the game and has been for a very long time. in group play, the damage buffs alone is worth more than any one dps build.

however, my question stems from this:

in less difficult and less challenging content, the healing chem becomes largely redundant and an underused skill. this feels like a waste of resources that could have been otherwise used to grant even further buffs. the smart cover buff seems like an obvious choice to replace the chem for that purpose.

so i dont see why not use it as a hot-swap alternative?

on that note i have not heard about the MA build so i will look that up now

actually just browsing over the MA set it looks totally shit and i dont get it

[hexed steppe]

tbf, in lower content the healer isnt really needed at all. something like od buffer would be more appropriate in that scenario... imho ofc

or cc maybe

[marsh river]

yeah OD is fantastic too. somewhat providing comparable overall performance to the group, but the FI is the more chill and safe alternative

[agile citrus]

-_- its craftable

[solar sable]

I know, I just didn't have enough materials to either fully optimize it or craft it multiple times.

[subtle bluff]

Or use Riot Foam...

[marsh river]

yeah that works too

[subtle bluff]

FI and EP builds can and does a lot more than 2 things.

[marsh river]

ofc

[fiery gust]

Well, if you're playing with randoms, Smart Cover is probably useless. Let's be honest and say that 90% of the randoms won't even realize they need to be in cover to reap the benefits or even know what you're using lol. That said, you could certainly utilize it in more organized groups. I mean....if you don't need the Reinforcer, which is often worth it due to 1 person flanking, pushing, whatever, you can certainly swap it for something else.

Alternatively, if a healer isn't even needed sometimes as local was saying, you could utilize a CC build with Riot Foam or Burn sticky/Firestarter.

[pastel basin]

I lied 🙁 4 runs so far and no luck, I’m getting other god rolled shotguns but not the m870…

Like right after saying that as well, I just got a godrolled one but with max headshot and spike…

[lucid wolf]

Hey guys! Is the chatterbox w/ fury still viable after the red line event ends? I am having too much fun right now 😄

[obtuse crystal]

yeah its still great after the event ends

[pastel basin]

Omfg istg, I just got a almost god rolled one and my game crashed at the same time I pressed pick up…

[hexed steppe]

and... its meh at best . stacking either slows it up or causes you to be too much out of cover. dont waste resources unless you want to sweat

[hexed steppe]

shoulda just picked it up and inspected it after the match 🔥

[pastel basin]

Close enough right? Lol

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[pastel basin]

I mainly don’t want to actually control point farm so that dz is much more easier whenever it’s targeted for something I actually want, and plus I can very easily just kill people in there cause no one really has a good build below 500 shd, also same thing with below 1000

But at the same time, the resources I have right now are so scarce due to the fact that I cant keep on relying on scavenging

[solar sable]

BRUH

[pastel basin]

Hmm?

I also got a god roll with flatline for that one like one shot strat in IH, same stats basically

[subtle bluff]

Just don't be like me.

Argh... I hate this setting.. 💀

[obtuse crystal]

That guy is agile lol

[subtle bluff]

Div2 as coding for the matrix....

[cerulean smelt]

great aiming!

[gentle lichen]

Great embedding

[subtle bluff]

Shuttt it. 👺

[cerulean smelt]

i aim, i shoot feet for some odd reason

[subtle bluff]

They should give us a role so the few that let us embed.

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say something a mod should be allowed to do. like knowing some players here that won't just embed random stuff

[gentle lichen]

Compromised verified accounts are the problem though

[solar sable]

what a weird 🐾ish

[hazy steeple]

@cerulean smelt Not mentioning any names to due Rule 12 and all that, but I think some of us who have been around for long enough know why that's a bad idea.

[elfin summit]

Is Bluescreen a good fit for Tipping Scales?

[red island]

yes

any lmg is fine with it tbh

[elfin summit]

How do I use it?

[agile citrus]

You may already know this, but something I've found vs chungus is after they head dip, it returns to its og position

But I looked closer saw that was a asc 12 and uh... The following acc and I just frowned. Nvm.

[red island]

use what ? bluescreen ?

[cerulean smelt]

was curious myself. either bluescreen or tipping scales. or maybe it was typed out wrong for how to get it?

[agile citrus]

Use a bleed hive. Drop it then pick it up to proc bs. It's has a super high recovery if you lose it for any reason

As for TS it's basically striker for lmg. Tape left click down and make a sandwich

[red island]

i prefer using pulse tbh, low cd, useful in fights, and keep your rez hive aviable for solo

[agile citrus]

I agree with the second part, but I genuinely never use hive anymore, but I also prob would use turret over pulse, turret can be picked back up and can be used as a decoy in a pinch. Since bs spam up to 50 every 5 sec and pulse being... I think 18 sec CD?

[red island]

sure turret is a good option

[gloomy spruce]

I am now having to resist the temptation to create yellow tipping scales with a NBB just like I did with striker. Curse you LocalDeck!

Hmmmm.... with a NBB... I can use a sacrifice, Picaro's holster, then a baker's dozen or an ACS with lucky shot if it is possible....

[agile citrus]

Acs with future perfect would like you to look at him in his finest suit

[gloomy spruce]

Not with this abomination that I am cooking

Imagine this with tipping scales instead of striker:

It would already have 6 yellow cores

[mild dawn]

i mean it is the spooky month but that thing might be too far

[gloomy spruce]

It would be

[cerulean smelt]

so you main kard custom?\

[gloomy spruce]

I don't have to for this build, but I can if I want the future perfect.

[cerulean smelt]

oh nm, i counted it all wrong lol

[gloomy spruce]

Its fine, I intentionally made the build deceptively simple. People don't realize that it carries 4 red cores with 6 yellow. The capacitor turns it into 7 red cores. It naturally starts with 60 chc and 120 chd.

[bright raptor]

oh that is indeed pretty clever

as an asides the amount of bat noises from the drone mod was definitely more and louder than expected

[red island]

you're a 3/1/6, im not sure u need tdi kard custom since you're already at max skill tier

i mean 3.5 rather than 3 red core cause picaro but still

[gloomy spruce]

Maybe 3.667, but yeah

Kard is overkill, yeah

[red island]

i made this build a while ago, not with pgc tho, didnt like it but its fun

[gloomy spruce]

pgc adds the chc bonus and the extra damage.

[red island]

i think i used ceska oblit

[cerulean smelt]

visually yes, but picaro's counts as 2 skill tiers because of ninja backpack

[red island]

i know, i factored it in the maths

[gloomy spruce]

My friends no longer joke about yellow striker in front of me after I created this abomination. 🙁

[red island]

haha

[cerulean smelt]

wanna see an abomination i created after being inspired by local?

[red island]

its a nice build tbh, its not my taste but def viable

[gloomy spruce]

They never even mentioned yellow tipping scales, so they may have feared this

[gloomy spruce]

Yes pls!

[red island]

not again plz

[cerulean smelt]

i don't have it complete yet, but once you see it you'll probably like oh that's nice! hopefully

2 pieces refuses to drop with the attributes and the chest with the correct talent and attributes for me atm

was semi messing around with houndsman with the skills

forgot to show stats currently on it as well

[gloomy spruce]

Its everything Frederick Thylander tried to prevent from ever happening again with gear 2.0

I love it!!!!

[cerulean smelt]

so you can probably imagine if i had weapon damage for the 2 armored palisades, i feel it'd hit like a truck

[gloomy spruce]

You still probably hit fairly hard. You've got 6 red cores with the capacitor.

[cerulean smelt]

considering i'm told capacitor doesn't care where the skill tiers comes from it'll count it as weapon damage and i'm sitting at 6, the kard is overkill but i couldn't think of any other weapon like you, but quickstep might be a good replacement for it 🤔

[gloomy spruce]

Everyone is loving the quickstep

It is fun to run fast with just a weapon swap.

[cerulean smelt]

i thought for sure i'd be farming the houndsman until tonight to get the gun honestly

[gloomy spruce]

I got like 3 within an hour just from the hounds alone.

The hounds can drop them, too.

[cerulean smelt]

i know, when i got mine i'm like uh? ok whatever, then got a 2nd, 3rd, then inventory full lol

[strong cave]

Hang on guys, gotta flip my croc lids for Sport Mode

[agile citrus]

Mine is obl prov. Cuz cesak tier is sux but prov tier 2 is good

[red island]

its the same tho ?

prov tier 2 is 8% crit chance like ceska tier 1

[agile citrus]

Ceska tier 2 is like haz pro. But prov tier 1 is hs. HS and 8% cc vs 8% cc and hazpro

[red island]

yeah but crit and headshot arent multiplicative, so 13% hs is really meh

[agile citrus]

I just don't have a use for haz pro.

[red island]

u could go groupo somba instead, 13 crit damage and 20% explosive damage for spec weapon

or even fenris

but its not great

[agile citrus]

I suppose, but tbh I haven't found a use for the spec weapon. It destroys weak points, but it's inconsistent cuz outside of outcast rushers it auto targets head only.

[cerulean smelt]

well, i think ceska get's mentioned a lot because of it's 1 piece for 8% CHC since most people will usually run it in a gearset build that way the last piece can be an exotic piece or grupo for more chd

[red island]

yeah and crit damage was nerfed

oh wait crit chance was nerfed too mb

[hexed steppe]

use emp sticky for this, its a 3 sec recovery if you fire it into the air or teammate 😉 . no need to waste time dropping or pickup since sticky has instant use function

[elfin summit]

A Bleed Hive? That's good for Bluescreen?

Hold on, don't you mean the offensive one?

Oh, yeah. Where do I get the Turmoil?

[buoyant perch]

End of season

[elfin summit]

End of season, huh... Unlucky me.

[agile citrus]

I like this. I dont know if itsd worh more to my gameplay since I dont use revive hive, but I like this, thanks

[agile citrus]

the reason bleed hive is so good, its instant cast, and even if it gets hacked or destroyed it regens at least 1 charge ithin a sec

[elfin summit]

I see. What should I use to improve my TC?

[agile citrus]

you can prob use heal hive too. but the other suggestions let you use revive hive which I know a lot of people use. revive can be used but after you poof, 2 min is a long cd for bs. turret doubling as a decoy option is super good, as its an instant pickup, works from cover. sticky good too, has many cross uses, pulse works, but I personally wouldnt imo. its too long of a cd, for me, and you pulse enemies anyway with bs if your trying

[elfin summit]

Does the Artillery Turret count?

[agile citrus]

the biggest reason I stopped using revive hive is its massive cd and I do a lot of shepherding. so I end up in the most RANDOM directives 9/10. so I just got used to using foam, etc.

any nonshield skill will. I prob wouldnt, cuz I think (I never use it) that mortar turrt has an ammo count

[elfin summit]

Jeez. Every other one has infinite ammo?

Ehh. Well, thank you for the advice. I'll check that stuff out once I can get in!

Certainly, my gear pieces are substantial enough, right...?

[scenic whale]

What’s 2 good LMGs types to pair together for a frenzy type build with tinkerer?

[agile citrus]

time to annoy shepherding and/or mming

[agile citrus]

dont worry about it too much. rule of thmb, if your gear has a synergy, meaning their a way the 6 piece work together. youll be fine. your biggest stats come from 1k watch and 50% crit

theres a reason I only build around 50% crit, or I build around an smg with all 12% crit dmg

these are my personal abominations, all of them were made by yours truly, and I use them almost everyday ❤️

theres also one I use that I swiped off batumeu bless his soul after he solod mm kelso on yt. I tend to swap his chameleon for a backfire

uhhhhh dum blue gloves. belay the last one -_- same for the other one, but, yeh red gloves for strega

[patent fossil]

We have a spreadsheet linked in the pins with actual meta builds, recommend working towards those first before messing around with Car's appropriately named 'abominations'

[agile citrus]

right disclaimer, I was only able to make these work after I fixed my skill issues lol skill > gear

Im just taking a lovely moment to look at how much my brief reunion with my yellow striker has detroyed so many talents and core setup

such as blue striekr gloves, yellow striker knees and future sight asc 12 which should be brazen with pulse lazer

yellow striker is truly diabolical

[lucid wolf]

@agile citrus why are some of the items with a blue blackground? what are those? sorry, came back after a long time.

[magic pilot]

Gearsets

[lucid wolf]

Weren't they green?

[agile citrus]

just my color preset for set pieces

[lucid wolf]

Ahhhhhh!

[agile citrus]

if you activate color blind there sokme useful add ons. like when you in hive aoe or in red is dum aoe

@urban latch dont you dare throw shade on my pride and joy he didnt mean it, shhh

[urban latch]

I just don't like the name of batu being slandered like this

[agile citrus]

huh? batumeu made an amazing build. 4 piece blue striker, memento, chameleon, 3 fpe and survialist. he had a 6th piece, am just blanking.

I dont know if he made, only that he showcased it for solo kelso mm

it was prob chill mask 2 pfe

[elfin summit]

Alright, I'll be sure to check them out. Thank you.

[magic pilot]

@pearl atlas @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

Thank you

[marsh river]

someone played around with the journey ability to have a "permanent" flamethrower build? im testing it with eclipse and it seems good but i feel like it could be more

[pastel basin]

Also with this build, would it be good to have 2 versions, one with haz pro and one with armor protection incase no one is using status in dz?

Cause 9/10 times, no one in my lobbies really use status effects

[magic pilot]

If you really want to min/max then yes

Your build definitely needs some work though

[pastel basin]

Hmm?

[magic pilot]

Gunslinger?

[proper sigil]

What does your build look like right now?

[marsh river]

its a pure eclipse build repurposed to spray fire only

it feels... incredibly good. on some maps. others not so much. i prefer enclosed spaces for obvious reason

thats basically me killing the whole mission with flamethrower -> fire spread by eclipse. nothing else

very standard eclipse base

i tell you whut tho. its incredibly fun

its doing a big ole struggle against chungas and robots etc. does actually no dmg at all to things that dont burn. but to thigns that burn.. full room clear in seconds. insanely effective

[proper sigil]

I actually like that setup but I just don’t see myself using it much in missions cuz the enemies are most likely gonna be far or there’s just too many shooting at me, or both

[marsh river]

yeah its far from the perfect and most competetive build.. but with this ability it works very well and its a lot of fun

i even managed a solo retalation with it so theres that

[subtle bluff]

Solo heroic EP fire upper limits due to things with armor plates. Anything challenging and below it's fine on.

[cerulean smelt]

btw: chem launcher and stick does do damage to armored targets they just won't get set on fire. aka chungas with armor on will just take damage but not burn. break the armor then set them on fire they'll get set on fire after their armor breaks

[buoyant perch]

armor plate is not armor

[dreamy valve]

Sounds like my kinda build, so we are kindred

[agile citrus]

its a good build, high survial, high dmg. specialy for high diffculty like mm solo

Iv swapped the cham for backfire which couild potentially make it viable for solo leg, but its good the way it is too

[agile citrus]

I love how this reply is repeated but everyone knows its not. I get it, you need to call stats what they are, but usually when this term is used the word "armor" the A is not capitalized which means its not a noun, its an adjective.

hes not talking about the stats, otherwise its capitalized. this is held true by ubi themselves. when a stat is affected in a item description, the correct terminology is capitalized

[cerulean smelt]

funnies thing is. i was just letting people know what aune said isn't completely true. warhounds yeah you'll never take them down with fire chem/stick alone, but chungas who have armor you'll eventually break their "armor plates" armor to which you can proceed to set them on fire with the status effect.....maybe taro is aune in disguise?

[magic pilot]

You can actually

[buoyant perch]

you can take down warhounds with fire, just use the firewall class sidearm

[magic pilot]

Firewall pistol

[buoyant perch]

isn't that a shotgun ?

[agile citrus]

it is technicaly, but its refered as pistol for its slot. but yes, its powered by Shotgun dmg

[magic pilot]

Yea, but it's pistol category

[cerulean smelt]

@magic pilot wanna educate aune on this? "does actually no dmg at all to things that dont burn." #td2-build-advice message

[long nexus]

Is it possible to have a skill build with armour on kill?

[cerulean smelt]

it is, if you truely want but most will have skill haste and damage in it's place

[buoyant perch]

yes what's that shotgun's name again

[agile citrus]

gunner armor on kill, minigun sub effect, death grips, palisade, armor on kill mods, mop, gunner pistol, emelines guard, perveance gun talent

[buoyant perch]

the mop yes

[cerulean smelt]

oh and they'll also wear most brandsets with more haste/damage in their builds for optimal damage, butyou can probably put on 1 palisade for a bit of armor on kill

[long nexus]

I feel like I can’t do anything above challenging with my skill build, cause enemies just hit way to hard 😂

I’d like a bit of armour back when then kill somthing

[cerulean smelt]

what's your current skill build?

[agile citrus]

if you run skill, but want survive, using a frontal att isnt good. load outs for aggressive skill can be shield, hive, riot foam, emp puls etc. for dmg, dmg trrt drone, chem launcher etc.

nothing wrong with not using cap either. can run elmo scorpio etc. the need to "minmax" is what handicaped tons of people before I started using infinte pulse and exos on hbr

[cerulean smelt]

i have this build, a bit unorthadox does have armor on kill built in and can practically run any specilizations of your choosing

[long nexus]

Turret and turret drone

[cerulean smelt]

yes, without the kard you do have 6 skill tiers if you're technician, if you want to add gunner instead then getting one more piece skill tier will do just that

[astral kraken]

A bit unorthodox?

[long nexus]

The kard pistol??
I have that

[cerulean smelt]

if you know the brands you'd see none has haste/damage built in

[subtle bluff]

It's "armor on Kill"

[agile citrus]

wrinkles nose ew

[astral kraken]

You had me at SOCOM M1A. #division1 #neverforget

[long nexus]

Yea that’s what I said 🤨

[agile citrus]

the point is amor on kill is super common, with next to no limitation to a skill build 👆

tbh, memento + belstone armory is more than enough. just imo

[cerulean smelt]

i got the idea from Local's profile. i did try it with NBB like you got listed but it lacked oomph so pretty sure 99.999999999% are probably ewing your nBB striker skill build

[agile citrus]

I tested it with memento, memento capped matchs its dps, and you prob lose 1 skill teir. which is fine cuz memento has 30% skill tier. but it redunant because you dont gain a dmg boost

also memento lose a ton of dmg and skill if you die. do with that what you will. the nb output is consistent

[cerulean smelt]

30% skill effieciency not tier
skill efficiency affects damage/haste/status effect/repair skills/possibly duration

[agile citrus]

skill efiency is exactly what happens when you gain a skill tier -_-

[cerulean smelt]

yes, nbb is consistently lower damage compared to any other backpack with a talent on it

[subtle bluff]

Uh

[cerulean smelt]

ok aune

[agile citrus]

it even tells you in most skills, the next teir effectively inc by 15-30%

[agile citrus]

test it. I have no concerns. get a backpack, no red talents, red core. harris, vigil

[subtle bluff]

Um... Yes and no.

[subtle bluff]

I have?

[agile citrus]

the problem, which youll find once you build it, is you lose picaro +wd, you lose prov 13% hs. I think thats all, but it is the problem. but your welcome to test it and post results.

stop posting facepalms and post results. in fact, I will. I think I likely still have the memento build

[cerulean smelt]

i'm facepalming because you want to sound very educated in NBB being great and trying to push it, but you just not understanding the point why people don't like NBB which it lacks a backpack talent which is very powerful

[subtle bluff]

Pointless? For a fun build.

[agile citrus]

nb is NOT great. in fact, yellow striker is trash to begin with. but in this case, in a trash build vs a trash build, the dps is equal BUT memento reuies you to live

[subtle bluff]

Idk if yellow is completely trash...

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
i mentioned my build i tried NBB first but it lacked any oomph behind it. AKA no damage

[agile citrus]

and this has nothing to do with "range" bad dps. it is that your chat log will log the same dmg number within reasonable match

[agile citrus]

Ill go prove it. give me a few moments

[subtle bluff]

This was with 3 strikers builds in the team....

[cerulean smelt]

via reddit explaing efficiency

so aka NBB providing nothing more than adding 1 gearset or brandset which in turn lowers your damage significantly

[gentle lichen]

:(

[cerulean smelt]

btw: the way memento works is there's a short term buff (weapon damage, bonus armor, and skill efficicency) and long term buff (weapon damage, armor regen and skill efficiency)

[solar sable]

SKILL BUCKETS 🪣

[gentle lichen]

Huh

[obtuse crystal]

ninjabike counts as a striker piece you have 5 piece striker on

[agile citrus]

its pointless difference. the dps isnt enough to make up for if you die, you are out

[cerulean smelt]

get better at killing and getting better positioning?

[agile citrus]

same weapon, near same stats. memento vs nb. in this case, nb only wins because memento requires you to live. you die once, you lose it all. is it worth, this diff

[solar sable]

The faster you kill, the faster you become untouchable.

[gentle lichen]

Building up memento isn't that hard

[magic pilot]

4 striker with ninja lol

[agile citrus]

no its not, but if your in a boss fight and the team wipes. there you go. Im not saying its worthless, Im saying, it isnt a high enough gain to be worth

[cerulean smelt]

they don't understand the long term buff of memento and 30% weapon damage, armor regen and skill efficiency

[lost wren]

the secret 5th gear set bonus

[agile citrus]

shit, did I blank? I forgot picaro huh

[magic pilot]

The short term buff alone is really good

[gentle lichen]

Short term buff with 2-3 blues is insane

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but car doesn't understand memento why they're saying its trash vs ninja backpack

AKA you have to live

[agile citrus]

fuuuuuh fixed

[lost wren]

question though

what makes headhunter's fury regulus better than high end regulus?

[agile citrus]

I KNEW the dmg felt low. SIGH

[cerulean smelt]

any why they did that build for 5 striker with NBB doing the same damage as a memento

[magic pilot]

Built in sustainability, more dmg at top end, built in CC @lost wren

[cerulean smelt]

if you're in that short range you disorient the NPCS so you can take your time doing headshots

[lost wren]

other than raids is there no real reason to run high end over hhf?

[gentle lichen]

Disorient status animation is perfect for lining up headshots too

[agile citrus]

side by side, left is nb, right is memento. top is nb, if load diff

[magic pilot]

I personally use HHF always since I don't do raids.

[lost wren]

gotcha

[magic pilot]

Is that with trophies?

[agile citrus]

its with

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, it'll be the same in range, but you can't get trophies in range so what you showed is an extremely moot point

[lost wren]

i was initially curious about running high end but i already have an hhf setup and there's no real reason to change it ig

[gentle lichen]

Bro

[magic pilot]

Uhhh what

Vigi ≠ memento

[agile citrus]

harris, vigil, no red sub attr

[magic pilot]

Bro learn how to use the spreadsheets please lol

[cerulean smelt]

once you have full long term buff you're 30% weapon damage, armor regen and skill efficiency which will make the damage higher

[agile citrus]

harris has 5% natural weapon dmg, vigil offers +25% wd, and this red core is equal.

[gentle lichen]

Total weapon damage isn't like weapon damage

[agile citrus]

is it diff? whats the % diff from memento vs vigil?

Ill go to dua, collect a full memento and reset it. Im 90% this was how I tested all of it long ago, but Im not always right. Im dum sometimes

[magic pilot]

With short term buff too?

[lost wren]

also for the other weapons what do you run?
i run white death with streamline and m870 with brazen as my other weapons, pretty confident with m870 but what about white death? should i keep it? use a different talent? or use another option?

[agile citrus]

the short tem buff in dmg will only increase by 5%, and thats only because Im taking a skill tier off, for 30% skill eff

I dont know how to replicate that, but I will provide a chat log of in dua

[gentle lichen]

Great way to do it

With hh stacks you might as well pick off far targets

And close range m870 with hh is lethal

[lost wren]

do i keep streamline or go for ranger maybe?

[gentle lichen]

Ranger sounds more consistent

[lost wren]

got it

hmm could go ekim's for perfect ranger

[gentle lichen]

Definitely a choice

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fKLpklc6G70NcLPseYv9__kefDutUaiviXNxs97Lkgg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage runs white death with streamlined to start stacks

[agile citrus]

does this say the dmg per bullet? cuz I know it should be around 1m
for crit

[lost wren]

so do i keep it

or is it personal preference

[magic pilot]

This is just memento and vigi not the full build

[magic pilot]

Personal preference

[agile citrus]

was irriating to get cuz dum hynea head armor. but the dmg is consistent for harris vigil

had short term at the time

build

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eEvglMhbpkQmOQL4EWYqZsxwSOp7O3rt-0a7KDdRKW8/edit?usp=sharing

[agile citrus]

yyyy, thats about right. at the end of it, memento beats it. and if you wanted to keep nb in the back in case your team wiped, absolutely. Im just saying I despise swapping builds and find the diff negilible for my game play

[magic pilot]

i just wouldnt run memento in a group

[cerulean smelt]

but i mostly solo so it's not an issue anyways 😹

[agile citrus]

the only time this actually works is if, you are signicantly above the teams bullet dmg. excepting something like pesti or rav, which has weird mechanics that nab kills.

[meager fog]

Streamline isnt very good

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, not a fan of it either. sounded awesome on paper but then i'm like how much do i lose it and was like yeah not worth it 😹

[meager fog]

Its a noob trap. They see 42% and think its good because its a high number.

[scenic coral]

it doesnt work the moment u use a skill right

[buoyant perch]

Or in cooldown

[cerulean smelt]

deploy shield/hive/turret/drone and it goes poof

[fiery gust]

Very niche talent.

[onyx sage]

it's very niche. i use it mostly on hh builds because my skills rarely get used during those sections

[glossy rover]

You can just unequip skills entirely

[fiery gust]

Yea. Something where you want to have heavy damage with no wind up or gimmicks.

[lost wren]

could i go ekim's with perfect ranger then?

[scenic coral]

just use the exotic mmr...

[lost wren]

this is with regulus

[subtle bluff]

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[subtle bluff]

Same with you

[scenic coral]

whitedeath ranger or ekims then , use the one with the bigger number

[lost wren]

this is talking about other weapons to use with hhf regulus

already using m870 with brazen

[fiery gust]

1886 is nice.

[subtle bluff]

It can be a done a few different ways.

[fiery gust]

If you want an MMR, pretty much anything will work lol. I'm guessing you'll be using Regulus most of the time anyways.

[subtle bluff]

HHF first and foremost is CQB gearset/build

[lost wren]

well yes
i'm referring to backup weapons to use

i know regulus will be the main option
m870 with brazen for chungas and bosses

[subtle bluff]

we use to run another m870 with pummel

[lost wren]

ye ik
i see it in the guides

[subtle bluff]

The untold solo HHF solo heroic build I ran is with DCH and HHF w/1886

[cerulean smelt]

show off (> <)

[subtle bluff]

Eh. It’s an old build we’ve put to the side since everyone wants to do max dmg.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just teasing ya

[fiery gust]

Fun build for blasting missions.

[agile citrus]

-_- I just saw this, I should clarfiy why I only learn first hand, and never use spread sheets or guides... I like the game.

I used to do this stuff ages ago, but Im old and I dont wanna play games like a job anymore. as reyna says "look in their eyes when you kill them, it helps"

I understand I could do both, but I have a hard enough time not seeing video games like neo after he popped smith like a balloon. call it a personal choice

[subtle bluff]

It was great for Brooklyn! Other than both bosses it's so good.

[fiery gust]

O yea. Can be a little annoying for bosses, but really good for general clearing. The explosions are always satisfying, whether on HHF or otherwise. XD

[cerulean smelt]

@glossy rover here's your build with 2 W&H along with the stats on 2nd picture. 3rd is with claws out 959k with claws out and 931k with 2nd W&H quite the nerf wouldn't you say? over losing 11% pistol damage?

[glossy rover]

Go shoot a target

Dta doesn’t show in stats but it will when you hit a target

[subtle bluff]

Wait what? It’s in his stats…

[glossy rover]

Yeah no but it won’t increase his base damage

It’ll increase after calc on shot

[buoyant perch]

Need to hit a beefy armored target to get max damage too. It doesn't overflow into health.

[magic pilot]

Why no dodge

[subtle bluff]

DTA only does % to the HP of the armor amount.

[obtuse crystal]

If you wanted dta wouldn’t contractors be more than 2 piece w&h

[meager fog]

jUST USE sHROUD

[subtle bluff]

He wants the WH maybe? Idk really.

[solar sable]

caps lock was on lol

[glossy rover]

Correct but then your losing a minor for what reason 3%dta

[obtuse crystal]

I’ll take it instead of weapon handling

[glossy rover]

That’s fair

Could roll headshot chance though

That would net more damage then 3%dta

Well if the whole build was headshot chance

[obtuse crystal]

You shouldn’t need crit on a headshot build tbh

[subtle bluff]

Bleh HHF just works better in the end imo.

[glossy rover]

Why not it’s free damage

[scenic coral]

robots everywhere

[subtle bluff]

AoK, extra amp and CC..

[meager fog]

This.

Crit damage and headshot damage are additive, use one or the other, not both.

[subtle bluff]

HH stacks can be used to one shot Dogs & Tanks.

[glossy rover]

diminishing returns

[fiery gust]

Because the crits will scale your headshot damage extremely poorly. You've either got next to no CHC, or next to no CHD. Neither is useful in this case.

[meager fog]

Robots count as a headshot kill, as long as you wait for them to explode

[meager fog]

Adding crit damage does not mitigate diminished returns with HSD....because they're additive....

[subtle bluff]

when using Determined

[scenic coral]

the thing is the breakpoint is like 25m to 1tap everything , so might as well build for crit since hh reache that no matter what

[subtle bluff]

Excuse me?

[fiery gust]

Lol what.

[meager fog]

Wrong.

You aren't one shotting a helmet wearer. And you need HSD to get the initial shot.

[scenic coral]

yah 1 tap the named stuff 2 tap tanks n such

[subtle bluff]

I need to figure out an avatar like yours btw. 😛

[scenic coral]

even if your 1 hit does 50m its still 2 taps due to game design, so might as well build for crit

[meager fog]

Please stop talking.

[subtle bluff]

LOL

[fiery gust]

So you're going to build like 10% CHC and zero CHD. That's so good....

[meager fog]

At this point, it's embarrassing.

[subtle bluff]

Chancing on Crit for the Damage you need to do on 1 shot build isn’t the way to go.

[scenic coral]

nah i piece together some random pieces and reached like 60 chc 100chd ish

[subtle bluff]

If you really cared to 1 shot Achilles becomes the answer.

[fiery gust]

And now you sacrificed 75% of your HSD.

[meager fog]

Stop. Talking.

[meager fog]

Start. Listening.

[subtle bluff]

Not imagine using a real weapon.

[meager fog]

At this point, it's you being willfully ignorant of how the game works.

[fiery gust]

This. And that loves HSD. Crit is useless.

[glossy rover]

What’s the minimum chd you can have?

[fiery gust]

0% if no watch. 20% otherwise.

[meager fog]

Who cares? you build for HSD or CHD, not both. Ever.

[subtle bluff]

Dorky chillll it’s listening

[glossy rover]

Yeah alright so I roll headshot onto my gear

Then what’s my second minor genius

[fiery gust]

WH usually.

[scenic coral]

why not both chd and hsd with hh

[meager fog]

Weapon handling. Genius

[subtle bluff]

The point a 1shot builds stack HSD to do the most focus dmg. Crit is part of DPS cuz all the bullets going out.

[glossy rover]

Yeah sounds like a skill issue honestly

[fiery gust]

Where are you guys magically getting 60% CHC and 100+ CHD on an all HSD build? I gotta know.

[meager fog]

This imbecile needs to be banned. Seriously.

[glossy rover]

So why wouldn’t I maximise my damage by rolling chc to squeeze out the chd sitting there doing nothing

[subtle bluff]

If you think that then answer how I did 50mill with a Resto Chem launcher..

[solar sable]

Weapon Handling for no gun sway and 100% stability. Nothing to do with skill issues.

[glossy rover]

Just control the gun with your hand

[scenic coral]

i used that ninja bag, and just piece together all those new green n providence

[meager fog]

Because by doing that you're literally minimizing your damage

[astral kraken]

bro too soon

[subtle bluff]

THat’s actually the worse way to do the most dmg.

[meager fog]

This is the most painful conversation i've ever had in here

[magic pilot]

Doubt it

[subtle bluff]

Lies.. You know that there are worse…

[solar sable]

That's how you control Recoil. Please listen to the advice.

[meager fog]

I'd get more sense talking to a brick.

[scenic coral]

my point is with hh you dont even need to stack hsd to 1 tap, so might as well roll for crit

[subtle bluff]

UH?

[fiery gust]

You don't do a lot of super challenging content, eh?

[subtle bluff]

OK now I’m hurting too.

[cerulean smelt]

they stick to story from the sounds of it

[meager fog]

Obviously you'rte playing on Story mode

[astral kraken]

i agree now. ban.

[meager fog]

I'm so angry I can't even spell straight

[scenic coral]

it works on heroic though

[magic pilot]

If only someone was testing this stuff!

[fiery gust]

I'm in awe. It's like he's saying just run an AR with HH and you'll one tap everything with your crit. Don't need HSD at all. Like bro what.

[scenic coral]

what do you guys play?

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything is viable up to solo heroic but doesn’t mean it’s good.

[magic pilot]

Solo Legendary

[solar sable]

Look, whether or not you "control with your hand" it still is difficult to control weapon sway.

[magic pilot]

100% stability is extremely helpful

[solar sable]

Plus you aim faster

[astral kraken]

in life too tbh

[magic pilot]

Never experienced it🤣

[solar sable]

I've heard the wife doesn't let you achieve 100%

[magic pilot]

The damn wife took half my stability

[scenic coral]

since legendary is btsu isnt it simpler to just nego or od melt it?

[astral kraken]

... what?

[meager fog]

You can do Heroic with a grey build.....

IN here we talk about VIABLE builds. Not any old shit you scrap together

[magic pilot]

It's white tusks

[glossy rover]

Yeah but if I just aim then I should be ok

[subtle bluff]

I’ll says it again:

• 1shot builds is focused on HSD because it’s something you’re needing to do so determined with HH is very good since you’ll always hit the head
• DPS build use Crit because the have RoF and more bullets to Chance to Crit.

[magic pilot]

Same with legendary

[solar sable]

Brother, it's not about an ego fight, it's about having the right stats.

[meager fog]

Please do a Lego run, with their CHD/HSD Split build.

I need it now.

[magic pilot]

I'm not that good lol

[cerulean smelt]

think you replied to the wrong person

[subtle bluff]

If it were that simple wouldn’t people be doing it all the time?

[meager fog]

I'll pay you £20 to complete DUA with a split HSD,CHD build on Lego @glossy rover

I will pay ANYONE £20 if they can.

[cerulean smelt]

should mention Mikkyy_ since they're vouching hsd with crit damage

[subtle bluff]

Where my updated ish infographic for DMG.

[astral kraken]

looks up exchange rate

[fiery gust]

It's time for the 60% CHC, 120% CHD, 10% HSD HH solo Legendary run video.

[astral kraken]

@onyx sage ^ paid work

[solar sable]

Mikky is seriously into some ragebait shit

[cerulean smelt]

with NBB?

[glossy rover]

I’m not having an ego fight just aim better honestly

[meager fog]

I hope he does it, because that build is going to be painful to run lmao

[onyx sage]

what's the build

[fiery gust]

All crit HH build.

[glossy rover]

I was talking about a pistol headshot build

[onyx sage]

i would just play it like the chest talent doesn't exist tbh

[solar sable]

Fine, do what Dorky said with 0 stability mods, 0 accuracy mods and no custom sight.

[glossy rover]

With chc rolled into minors

[scenic coral]

did they make legendaries harder now? pretty sure the shield cheese trick still works right

[magic pilot]

No

[onyx sage]

shield + first person interaction was removed

[subtle bluff]

Go into a RMM and check it.

[meager fog]

No WH allowed though, they said you don't need it.

[cerulean smelt]

OH Aune is back as Sexylots now?

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[subtle bluff]

Nah Aune blocked me

Aune easily one of the worse here for the short time we’ve seen him. He doesn’t need to be in this channel.

[meager fog]

There should be a ban list from just this channel.

[cerulean smelt]

well, sexylots mention the shield scope trick like aune did not understanding it got patched lol

[magic pilot]

Is he banned?

[scenic coral]

letme go test on the easy one

[magic pilot]

That's why focus died

[astral kraken]

honestly good riddance

[cerulean smelt]

another build they questioned why it wasn't being used anymore

[subtle bluff]

Sexylot is a normal person.

[onyx sage]

you'll notice your pov doesn't change anymore

before it would shift you to the left

[glossy rover]

It goes to where the gun actually is

[meager fog]

Is there a hole somewhere that these people can crawl back into?

I want to have the "Why shouldn't I use NBB?" people back.

[subtle bluff]

Dorky let's stop here plz we're getting a bit off topic much.

[cerulean smelt]

you weren't here when one touted both nbb and memento does the same damage? then they proceed to use the targeting range to prove their point?

[meager fog]

Anyway, please go and be average and complete lego DUA with a CHC/HSD build.

You need to reach 60% CHC and 100% CHD while doing this.

[onyx sage]

i can't even walk out the white house without dying

[meager fog]

We're stil talking about builds 😛 We're just building outside the scope

We need a 60% CHC build, with 100% CHD, that is a oneshot build that hits 25m

[subtle bluff]

You know what I mean.

[meager fog]

❤️ Lets not get muted again

[subtle bluff]

@glossy rover It's not complete but this shows why we don't stacks both HSD and CHD since they add up together anyways.

[meager fog]

I already said this, btw.... They don't care...because they're right

[solar sable]

ego vs the truth

[meager fog]

They don't care that a Headshot is essentially a crit that doesn't benefit from crit damage unles you hit a crit at the same time. Which you can't do because stacking both makes both weaker and less likely to occur.

[subtle bluff]

Also it's the other why I believe HE Imm 1shot build is kind of point since HHF will do the same and give more at the same time.

Everyone get's a chance.

[glossy rover]

so headshot vs hds crit im seeing a 421k jump in damage per bullet

with what i just managed to slap together

[subtle bluff]

what's the stats?