td2-build-advice

[tame shore]

mmhmm

[subtle bluff]

That's the reason tank aren't used a lot in Div 2. There is no reliable way to hold agro more than one target.

I guess I'll put it this way. Tanks are niche in the game due how we don't really fully understand how agro works.

[tame shore]

I will try to find somewhere else for scorpio build ... hmm to be able to vs hunters .. I will probably go this route

[subtle bluff]

again what are you trying to do with the build is the question

is it for global hunters?

[dry quail]

then you can go with a pfe build i guess. if wanna go against hunters. golan/gila/belstone for armor regen. alot of improv pieces with pfe moids

thats what i killed all hunters with, and a scorpio

[tame shore]

Yes .. any build for scorpio be able to vs hunters

[subtle bluff]

Just go HB and PFE it all.

[tame shore]

🫡

[subtle bluff]

Use the tech hive when they spawn so you don't get emp

by no means this is a real tank just allow you be tough enough to take it and kill them before anything.

If you know you won't get emp you can always run stick foam too.

[tame shore]

I might switch between them .. appreciate this very much .. well time to grind some countdown or look into my stash hopefully

[dry quail]

a nice support build if really wanna use your scorpio is blue od. with pointman chest (perfect vanguard) and a the setup backpack (perfectly opportunistic). blue cores on everything and chc/chd on all gear. buts its mostly viable in countdown, you cant kill shit yourself

but it will provide alot of support to team

[stark flicker]

Od procs if you aren't the one getting the kill?

[dry quail]

yes

[subtle bluff]

OD more or less reads: If target has a status effect and you hit them they get a mark. If the target dies with the mark up still OD give the ammo.

Why OD is some what support DPS.

[stark flicker]

Honestly od is my fav set

[dry quail]

and with chest and tinkerer, a really viable option to use for everything ;p except raids and incursion since the bullets runs out before boss dies ;p

[stark flicker]

Tbh I really wish named guns without a perfect talent could still be used with tinkerer

[dry quail]

od is nice, lets you get around ammo hoarder/pistelro also. unlimited ammo

[stark flicker]

Like the only reason I run striker/coyote is bc I can't run tink with lex

[dry quail]

wouldent really run tinkerer with a striker anyway, stacking with shotgun is so much better :)

[stark flicker]

I'm always forgetting to swap tbh

[tired falcon]

then go with striker or hunters fury

[stark flicker]

Aside from in raids which I'll only be running a handful more for reg

[dry quail]

raids i just use a he build instead, often no time to stack anyway

[stark flicker]

That's the one that gives 10% aok right?

I'd run it as a secondary on a support build

[subtle bluff]

Not really.. There’s a really weird build I have for it but it’s support build.

[dry quail]

its a good exotic part ;p

[stark flicker]

Honestly I wish it was on a more offensive gun it'd be really good on a shotgun/ar

[dry quail]

the gun itself is garbage

[stark flicker]

Bp is overwhelming mid

I don't think I've ever seen anyone use it higher than hard difficulty

[rich cosmos]

Not very good

[onyx sage]

people only use it for 2p or 3p but never the full 4p

[stark flicker]

Genuinely curious what could be done to change the 4pc to make it good without being broken?

[willow garnet]

hello everyone. whats new meta now? is new Set good?

[tired falcon]

depends on whether you intend to use as primary or secondary weapon.
If primary, then the breaking point set pairs well with rifles.
Something like this (is not best loadout, just an example)

coyote mask
fox's prayer
rest breaking point

[onyx sage]

it's good, but it's not an upgrade from current community testing

[willow garnet]

so, Striker for damage, hardwire for tankiness.

[onyx sage]

don't think you use any set for tanking

[subtle bluff]

but then OD just does better 😐

[subtle bluff]

HW for tanky.... that's a first

[willow garnet]

Hardbreaking. my bad.

any new modes to game, last played when brooklyn came out.

[tired falcon]

matter of preference; I rarely use rifles. If I'm using OD then I tend to go with Iron Lung or Bluescreen as primary

[subtle bluff]

Eh there's a meta build for OD Tinkerer now. But OD use Rifles if players want ot use rifles.

[red island]

any healer/support build

[dry quail]

tinkerer and od is teh shit, nothing can compare to that really ;p

[subtle bluff]

Sadist and Killer is hard to beat.

[red island]

in term of damage ? its not really the highest

[subtle bluff]

There's very special build that uses it. That's very off meta too.

[dry quail]

lol in terms of damage is ALOT more then iron lung with od yes ;p

[red island]

does compare to striker or tipping scales tho

[subtle bluff]

It's not but it can be fun for players.

[dry quail]

but we talked about od no?

[red island]

i thought you were talking about builds in general

[dry quail]

"tinkerer and od" i said?

[red island]

obviously fun is the most important part

[red island]

yeah but combos are on every build, tinkerer and striker, nego and diamondback, tipping scales and pestilence, etc

[dry quail]

but if you dont use tinkerer with od you loose alot of dmg. its not even worth to compare them. striker can be striker without tinkerer ;p

[red island]

you can get damage in other ways, having a free slot for exotic open up overdogs for example

30% amplified damage isnt nothing

or the good old coyote

[dry quail]

both wich is a self nerf with o

[red island]

not really

[dry quail]

yes really

[red island]

im pretty sure 30% amplified damage can beat killer talent

[dry quail]

30% amp on some targets. dont forget that ;p

[red island]

also open up exotic or named

[red island]

i mean if you plan on not using the talent then whats the point ?

its like saying you dont kill people with crits, then killer doesnt happen

[dry quail]

i mean, the numbers have been calculated already and tinkerer is bis

[subtle bluff]

Yes sir

[red island]

dont get me wrong it is strong

im just saying its not hard to come by a lot of damage with other set up

[subtle bluff]

The reason I suggest OD a lot is that there are no stacks it needs.

Yes there are others that peak out better but requires stacks.

[red island]

it does need a set up kill tho, but yeah its pretty easy to get started

like the oneshot build

[dry quail]

now switched topic again ;p we all know there is sets thats can do more dmg

[red island]

its good for the team too

well the game is mostly about doing as much damage as possible

so, theres that

[tired falcon]

foam chem launcher, foam grenade and the fire grenade (survivalist I think) usually makes it easy to get the OD hollow point stacks going

[red island]

yeah as i said its easy to get it, but you still need to do it

[dry quail]

yea, but what would kill faster anyway? a od with tinkerer doing 1,3m every hit then striker that needs a ramp up?

[red island]

the answer is always the same : depends on the situation

a classic

[dry quail]

yep. hence why i only use strikers in incursion lol

[dusky sky]

should i swap cyote to momento for survival as striker?

[red island]

i would suggest getting armor on kill bonuses instead

but memento is fine if you wanna play with it

[dry quail]

gunner with a palaside piece can go a long way, even use that on my lengmo gc pestilience build while doing openworld instead of a petrov piece. the overdogs does such a nice job anyway

out of medkits? sit in cover and let pesti debuff do its job and 20% armor per kill yay ;p

[red island]

even playing with preservation on gun

[dusky sky]

best way to farm Nemesis ?

[subtle bluff]

You can't it's locked behind a quest. Just get Shroud.

[dusky sky]

what quest ? i can go do em

also how do u get Shroud ?

[subtle bluff]

Seasonal path

This is better question in #ask-td2-community I suck at these question.

[red island]

if you didnt unlock it before you cant, if you did, just do cd tl sniper

if you didnt unlock it the fastest way is to get a teamate to drop it for you

[dusky sky]

how does one git gud at using Hotshot
landing consecutive headshot is so hard when they just a tiny twitch makes u miss

[rich cosmos]

Head hunter determined

Pretty sure more people use head hunter determined than actual non cheesy sniper builds

[dusky sky]

thats what i been doing

[shy willow]

With determined it's pretty challenging to miss

[rich cosmos]

Wait, does birdies exotic not work on dead teammates, only downed teammates??

[gentle lichen]

Never known that
Probs cause i only seen it used in pvp

[rich cosmos]

I saw an older clip and it looked like it just was the same speed on a dead player so like does it just not work on dead players

If so thats actually insane

Master difficulty unlock btw

[subtle bluff]

It's both. PvP maybe different.

[rich cosmos]

So it does work? Cause I saw a gameplay clip where it didn’t seem active

[subtle bluff]

For the Skill proc?

[rich cosmos]

The revive speed on birdies

[subtle bluff]

It's both I rez enough dead and down players to know it works

[coral reef]

Just crafted over 200 Lengmo masks.... not a single one with chc/chd

Ran out of Lengmo parts

[subtle bluff]

I only have my HSD one

[coral reef]

Not gonna aim for headshots while having perfect glass cannon lol

[subtle bluff]

lol

I did some math.. PGC and Petrov GC are very close

[subtle bluff]

Also have you seen the guide?

the WIP one that I haven't finished yet?

[coral reef]

No sir, on the spreadsheet?

[coral reef]

Nice! I like Petrov better, makes way more sense

[subtle bluff]

Go the guide look at the bottom of it

[coral reef]

On it

Mmmm i cant craft the Petrov chest, only have the yellow variant. And control points stopped giving blueprints a while ago. More countdown it is

[hearty timber]

is this only proc at full health and only full health?

[gentle lichen]

Full armor

[subtle bluff]

Armor not health.

[obtuse crystal]

only at full armor it applies

[hearty timber]

oh summy

[obtuse crystal]

hey

[subtle bluff]

he's a summy

[hearty timber]

also mb there, armor
not hp

[gentle lichen]

I think even at 99% it works? It's kinda iffy on the decimals

[hearty timber]

which one do you think work best in actual combat though? ground control or empathic resolve?

[obtuse crystal]

ground control works better tbh

[gentle lichen]

Empathic is pvp

[obtuse crystal]

and fi chest is alot better than the bag which u need to take one because of btsu gloves its very powerful in groups

[hearty timber]

hive is kind of a goofy thing to use compare to lunch box in 1

since it only work if your team is in LOS

[obtuse crystal]

yeah hive can be weird sometimes tbh and just not heal someone

[gentle lichen]

Or it'll disperse all charges on one player

[obtuse crystal]

usually because they pulled a shield out

[hearty timber]

i miss my lunchbox

such simple time

[obtuse crystal]

i never really got into div 1 tbh so never had one

[gentle lichen]

Remember when you could crawl to it and self revive

[hearty timber]

or the facts it actually work through wall

[obtuse crystal]

atleast chems can sometimes

like control rooms doors on ih

[gentle lichen]

Reviver sticky 😫

[hearty timber]

oh ye, the rev hive is so bad in this game

god, they butchered it hard

and idk any reasons for a medic to use it since heal hive is kind of mandatory with FI

[obtuse crystal]

and not any other good choices than fi tbh good healing and a damage buff is really good

[hearty timber]

im just trying to find a way to make my team to not go into downed state

[obtuse crystal]

throw them a hive and chem anyone that runs off

[subtle bluff]

CC them

[obtuse crystal]

or that foam eclipse is so lovely

[hearty timber]

i tend to use capacitor but maybe not anymore

i dont want to use scorpio because the design is kind of suck

[obtuse crystal]

wdym its great atleast imo

[subtle bluff]

Capacitor on FI you tend to barely 3% of the total damage dealt.

When on Sccorpio you're buff the team even more.

[hearty timber]

ik it great, i just dont like the scorpio design wise

[gentle lichen]

Lefty with fire grenade perf sledge too? GUHH

[subtle bluff]

what do mean by design?

[hearty timber]

engraving, stuff like that

[gentle lichen]

So it's not the mechanics?

[hearty timber]

no

i like the talent, just hate how the gun look

[subtle bluff]

How it looks k.

Then jsut use Lefty and Mosquito.

[gentle lichen]

I think last last season had carapace as a weapon skin for it in the stretch goals

But i think it was evil because it crashed players

[obtuse crystal]

dz or named item caches or could get the blueprint from reconstructed caches

[gentle lichen]

Best bet is retaliation since that gives a named cache each time it's done and every 2-3 retaliations you get a reconstructed cache

[coral reef]

@subtle bluff how is this looking?

[hallow arch]

Quick question what minor attribute should I put on the SMG9 for my HF build?

[obtuse crystal]

Dttoc

[coral reef]

Always chc/chd

[coral reef]

Sorry i meant this

[obtuse crystal]

Dttoc is always bis unless on lmgs then its chc or rof if using tipping scales

[onyx sage]

smh

[drowsy iron]

Me too

[hearty timber]

where do i see my skill repair % again?

either it use another name or im legally blind

[gentle lichen]

Hover over the healing part

[hearty timber]

this?

[gentle lichen]

Yurr
Check the right side of the screen

[hearty timber]

idk if i want to use mender seeker mine or just chem launcher tbh

[obtuse crystal]

chem launcher does alot better tbh

[hearty timber]

healing 124k hp passively

chem is like 1.3M instant with 276k overtime

[subtle bluff]

If don't trust us go try it out.

[misty mason]

would the shroud or mantis be a better secondary option for the white death?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on which one you like more

[hearty timber]

mantis give you 100% uptime with decoy

so it kind of nice to have 0 aggro on you all time

[misty mason]

true

[solar sable]

you can also use other high end mmrs, it comes to personal preference

[hearty timber]

i guess that's done

[hexed steppe]

personally, im using mantis as main on hh build

[hexed steppe]

might want to add scorpio and give your team a double buff. damage against status affected npcs , amp damage to targets you debuff when maxing scorio shots.. all on top of the fi and opportunistic

[hearty timber]

nah im not using that shotgun

[subtle bluff]

We've already gone over this.

[hexed steppe]

eh, leaving 10% +20% amps on the table.. just to be stubborn

[subtle bluff]

yup... I tried.

[shy willow]

Scorpio is a staple on support builds for a reason

[solar sable]

Alright, so you want to deal dmg or "take aggro" when the main objective of being a HEALER is to support your team. You're not a DPS person, so helping your teammates by applying status effects so that they don't take any more dmg than necessary. That's the main purpose of SUPPORT BUILDS.

So in simpler words, that AUG is a very good emotional support item.

[hearty timber]

i appreciate the minmaxing but my man, i dont want to use it

not because every support build use it that im gonna follow it

[meager fog]

That's not min maxing, it's common sense to use the Scorpio to buff your team when it's your literal job to support them

[hexed steppe]

no worries, just making sure you understood what you would be missing out on

[misty mason]

for the habsburg chest, finally rolled with headhunter, chc and regen, should i grind/craft for another or take what i’ve got?

[solar sable]

why habs? You're better off with Chainkiller and you need Headshot DMG & Weapon Handling

[subtle bluff]

Chainkiller + Airaldi vs Habs is only like 3-4% of differences.

Also that's the wrong one he got.

[solar sable]

why wouldn't you want PHH bruh

[subtle bluff]

How players learning they need to grind for Habsburg but getting the wrong stats?

[solar sable]

uhhh youtube!

[hearty timber]

is Concussion good for sniper?

unless the only thing people use is perfect Vigilance

[obtuse crystal]

Vigilance is the only thing that’s good tbh the starting damage is really useful and you don’t really need it after having a stack or two of headhunter

[subtle bluff]

Both work. Both that there reason for the reason they a thing.

[gentle lichen]

If only the first concussion buff was 5 secs for pistols too 💔

[hearty timber]

i have 0 clues what im cooking

[hearty timber]

TOC?

[subtle bluff]

DTTooC

Damage to Target out of Cover

[hearty timber]

what about optimal range?

[meager fog]

No.

Damage to target out of cover is the ONLY stat you need on all weapons.

[hearty timber]

i need explaination

not just "because i said so"

[subtle bluff]

What about it?

[hearty timber]

Optimal range compare to damage to TOC

[subtle bluff]

What’s the range of the weapon?

[hearty timber]

90m?

until it get damage drop off

[subtle bluff]

……

[hearty timber]

..... not gonna help

83?

[subtle bluff]

What’s the range..

It shows it above

[hearty timber]

83

[subtle bluff]

Do you think you need more range?

Than that? Go to the range you can see how far that is.

[hearty timber]

I guess 60 is enough

Cant hurt to have more though

[subtle bluff]

Vs doing 11% more dmg.

[fresh cliff]

@somber yarrow

[meager fog]

Because Dttooc is a rare damage type that only exists in 4 places. Weapon being the best one.

This game is about getting the most sources of damage into your calculation to get the highest end result possible.

Different damage sources is better than stacking one single source.

Optimal range has next to zero use, especially on a Sniper

[versed summit]

it can be useful, certain missions like tidal and manning, especially on higher difficulties can benefit from optimal range. It's a niche scenario though and with headhunter optimal range is generally just a non issue.

[cerulean smelt]

i was lucky enough to obtain a handbasket when they were giving them out through the loot goblin i think? or was it a project? nice MMR named (> <)

[violet juniper]

Cull the Weak

[bright raptor]

A really grindy project/event

[versed flame]

Talent, not suitable-on weapons

[violet juniper]

hm?

you mean flatline?

[versed flame]

eup!

[violet juniper]

I have techie laser, auto pulse on aim

lmao

[versed flame]

A mechanic?with glass?Oh well)

[violet juniper]

what?

[meager fog]

You just saying words now?

[gloomy spruce]

So does that mean I can use my Visionairo on my sniper build?

Will I not be struck down for the attempt by the meta gods?

[versed summit]

That's like literally what I didn't mean

[flat halo]

Ok which build is best for smg purist and st Elmo’s, I can’t seem to keep up with striker stacks, so I need another class that just melts

[meager fog]

Literally Strikers.

If you can't keep up with striker stacks you're likely using the chest, and you shouldn't be.

[flat halo]

I’m using soklov chest and knee

I’m using strikers, mask backpack holster and gloves

[meager fog]

Soklov isn't worth using tbh if you're using Elmos, any SMG9 with killer is better than Purist.

Screenshot your build, so I can see what we're working with?

[hearty timber]

how do you even build this thing?

[rich cosmos]

Why is measured assembly considered bad?

[rich cosmos]

Shield pistol build, thats basically it

[hearty timber]

cant use when solo

[hearty timber]

kind of counter itself since you use shield to tank hit, let it break give you disorient and now you are an easy target so might as well dont use the talent

[rich cosmos]

If only this was a co-op game

[bright raptor]

doesn't really change that outside of Legendary, or even in Legendary your team has to be doing pretty badly for Assembly to be helpful

[bright raptor]

if you're familiar with what is being machine translated from Russian it helps, but even by those metrics it is indeed word salad

[ocean sedge]

Hi everybody so I just started to play division 2 and I think I need some advice about building a good striker PVE build. I watch plenty YouTube videos, but the question is there is a difference in the striker that I built in Level 250 and the one at level 1000 .. all the creator that I got on YouTube are above level 2000

So I don’t know if I create the same build that they use at level 2000 is it gonna work in lower level?

[meager fog]

Strikers works from level 40 onwards

And dont watch YouTube videos for builds.

Most are trash.

Come here instead

[ocean sedge]

OK, as I said before I’m new on the game so another question how do I get to this?

🫣🫣

[versed flame]

Put up lots and lots of armor!but there will be little, little damage)

or a build- The heartbreaker

[ocean sedge]

You mean like a full build 6 pieces !!

[mighty flame]

you only need 4 pieces for a gear set bonus

[ocean sedge]

OK, thank you 🙏

[versed flame]

approximately

[stark flicker]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/GwFgtATGDMYIyXsAHGADOzHtawLmSigyPgHYzcdqq8yBORExOM4KjmtPYR4pzoOo9UsZlyG1gsKLAQY4wAKySJ3CEpUroClJAxKoyFVx45Fq-HDSywIfgohQ4EMVLxran6kA should I run the gr9 or the stoner in this build?

And should I even run optimist as my second talent or is there another better one I don't wanna run anything that boosts chd due to diminishing returns

Like maybe measured or unhinged could be a replacement

Or honestly streamline could work well bc I'm pretty much never using skills unless I need my rez hive

[meager fog]

Which disables your damage buffs for nearly 3 minutes.

[violet juniper]

Streamline is a noob trap

typically I run GR9 for the higher rpm, built in 5% CHC and 8x scope

also, scrap optimist for killer or measured

[subtle bluff]

so much blue...

[meager fog]

I was going to mention it....

Can't be worried about diminishing CHD returns when you'#re not even stacking damage in the first place lol

[subtle bluff]

Looking at it again a longer.... DTA, Optimist and turmoil...

[subtle bluff]

There is guide we have if you want to read it.

[meager fog]

I'm not even sure where they got the build honestly....

But my guess is youtube

[subtle bluff]

DTA is a noob trap. I get that one.

[bright raptor]

well ya gotta be a little optimistic that the setup will do more than tickle enemies above Normal difficulty 😛

[subtle bluff]

Fair

[dire locust]

Journey 7 mission 6 level up say cheese

[gentle lichen]

Cheese! 😁

[bright raptor]

Havarti!

[rich cosmos]

I think I actually like measured assembly and birdie’s 💔

Talked so much shit only to end up using it for like 2 hours straight

[stark flicker]

Just tryna mess around tbh this is a very rough draft of a build

Also I made it myself

[stark flicker]

What should I run over dta on an lmg?

[subtle bluff]

General CHC. If you're doing focus TS build RoF.
For weapon attributes it's DTTooC > CHC > RoF > DTA

Because TS gives so much CHD you can stats more into CHC on the build but ya.

[silent storm]

I think I figured out the Tipping Scales. Still trying out different Rifles and I want to get a 249 with Frenzy to test that instead of Killer but right now this build is doing very well.

[subtle bluff]

How's that legendary Zoo going?

[silent storm]

Working on it

[wraith zealot]

where can one use Closer chest piece in a build? what are the options?

just got cc cd one

[subtle bluff]

Really not worth it vs other option and builds.

[dusky sky]

BTSU Datagloves is only useful for build for drone/turret right?
since overchage has 90s cooldown

[subtle bluff]

I'm sorry what?

BTSU glove. Where it's focus is Hive.

[dusky sky]

ye u get overcharge from destroying the hive, but since overcharge has long down it is not that useful on spam deck ?

[subtle bluff]

But then how would a Drone/turret build that?

spam deck??

[dusky sky]

it can last the whole overcharge duration

[subtle bluff]

Reread your question here.

[dusky sky]

like hardwire + cluster

[subtle bluff]

BTSU is not used in Drone/Turret builds.

[dusky sky]

what is it good on ?

[patent fossil]

Healer builds mainly

[meager fog]

Well all the criticism's have already been given to you, so you can work on it.

• Too many blue cores: They're uneccesary, and they dont help you survive (they just allow enemies to stay alive longer and you're missing 60% damage)

• Streamline isn't good, you're just piling more into a single bucket instead of adding another multiplicative damage source or even a utility talent like Preservation.

• DTA doesn't apply to all enemies, and it doesn't apply all the time. It doesn't apply to robotics or chunga at all. Their armour plates are health based.

• Consider taking tinkerer off and using blue screen LMG, it goes hard with TS. Alternatively, find another multiplicative damage source (Flatline works well if you have the technicians laser pointer)

• Turmoil is not great, its halving your already lowered DPS and you're taking twice as long to kill something, making your armour even less useful.

[subtle bluff]

Support builds

[hexed steppe]

Mortar build with stinger hive wants a word with you and your btsu sacrilege

Seriously tho,
I feel like btsu only really useful where you can fill in the overcharge with burst damage or team support.
Mortar, oxi, fi, and possibly a good cc build are strong btsu options. Regular turret or drone won't be able to really benefit soo much

Would be good on hardwire explosive build as it doubles as a feedback loop proc. Noticed you mentioned hardwire after my last

[bright raptor]

yeah HW is good in case you actually need to expend the hive on something, also on that and FI you can overcharge to reset teammates' reviver hive cooldowns if they're willing to listen to you and wait a bit between Legendary rooms

[slate wedge]

i think if you get a Hana-U chest it should be more damage, right?

[subtle bluff]

The 5% more amp adds up better. It's the same with the oxi.

[light dome]

Is this a good st Elmo’s roll?

[hexed steppe]

Sacrifice is where its at 👆

[hexed steppe]

Good enough till you can roll it to dttooc. Definitely usable

[magic pilot]

Second best imo

[wraith zealot]

does anyone have 1886 determined build?

[magic pilot]

With turmoil or without?

[wraith zealot]

without, i dont have it

or is turmoil integral part of it?

[magic pilot]

No you can run it either way, it just changes it up a little

You can run it this way for cqb, or another version for longer range I'd use 3 breaking point, Fox, Zwia chest and backpack with vigi and headhunter

[magic pilot]

Probably go with either overlord or providence backpack if you main 1886

[slate wedge]

bruh i’m so stupid, skill damage would have to be less than 60% to make hana-u more useful

[slate wedge]

go memento

[magic pilot]

Ah true

I usually do as well, I just forget about it sometimes since all the other exotics bps are niche or terrible

[slate wedge]

that's very true

[rich cosmos]

Honestly, go bag and birdies would both be worth using if they had all 3 core attributes

[magic pilot]

If birdies comes out I'm leaving the group lol

[onyx sage]

hmm....

[cerulean smelt]

birdies was broken in PTS. if you read the description it said hive but if you used the hive to revive it did it normally without birdie's talent affecting it, so you had to stand near a person to revive peeps quickly

[ivory comet]

one issue* I always had with Hive in generel, is the programming that doesn't allow all variants to work off your back

Stinger hive working off your back could create very fun builds

or mobile medic heals/revives

[onyx sage]

i can roleplay white tusk chunga

[ivory comet]

sure haha.. or play around some cool sadist/HF builds

[magic pilot]

Does birdies work with stinger hive yet

[gloomy spruce]

The Birdies quick fix healer:*** When you know your group is ridiculously death prone, and you are tired of pretending otherwise***

[rich cosmos]

Tbh it ended up being better than I thought but at the same time its because my team kept dying on the final battle of tidal basin

[red island]

tbh this is the real reason u build it pve

when your team is just that bad

[gray coyote]

which is the best shotgun to use with the talent brazen

[subtle bluff]

That’s situational more.

[gray coyote]

for a one shot headshot build

used to use m870 expertise 30 but i've been told the thorn is better now

[subtle bluff]

HHF?

I’ve never used thorn.

This is something you just need to try out and see.

[onyx sage]

"better" is very debatable when it comes to thorn vs m870, m870 lets you put 2 accuracy mods that make the spread very tight, it also reloads a lot faster, it just loses in base damage by a bit.

if you already can one shot with m870, thorn doesn't give any more meaningful damage to be worth the reload hit and mod hit

thorn is when all you care about is base damage and nothing else, but most of the time you do care about other stuff than just damage

[gray coyote]

@onyx sage Thx for the answer mate

[gloomy spruce]

I love the thorn, but it is pretty much a beast as far as handling. It can be unwieldy and like trying to aim a battleship gun. The damage tho is amazing!

[bright raptor]

the downtime if you're not running Pummel is not super great

actually how does the KSG compare to the other pump shotguns these days?

[subtle bluff]

I use KSG.

[onyx sage]

it's... fine

[gloomy spruce]

I used a KSG with pummel and then swap it every so often for brazen. It is a potent shotgun with great handling as far as aim. Reloading can take a bit.

[stoic falcon]

Can someone recommend me a good healing/support build ?

[red island]

check pinned message for builds

[hexed steppe]

Refactor is pretty good for healing/damage.

Future initiative for more healing/buffing.

Ongoing directive for mostly damage buffs

All have guides

[stable beacon]

Any good tank builds that do good damage too?

[subtle bluff]

Not really. HB only is the closest

[fathom crane]

What build would yall recommend for most effective for the Elmo’s engine

[subtle bluff]

Striker

[stable beacon]

So I should just go straight dps huh

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[red island]

you cant be both in div 2, best u can do it have more armor/bonus armor/armor regen, thats about it

[meager fog]

Dead enemies cant hurt you

"Tanking" doesn't work in Div2, there are too many bullets coming at you for it to be effective in most situations

[rich cosmos]

Why tank when I can just throw on a decoy on top of my medic build

Tbf there are a few good tank builds but overall Id say its the weakest build type in comparison to damage and skills

[subtle bluff]

And you can repair it

[rich cosmos]

A tank build can be amazing the problem is you lose out on way too much

A skill build can also use a shield if they want

Not ideal but its not gonna be much weaker

[gentle lichen]

Why can't i aggro the ads with my impeccable fashion and moves

[red island]

they only aggro on threat level you fill up by doing damage, if your threat meter is way higher than your team, they will straight up ignore your team and focus you no matter what

it happens often to me in legendary, team is ass at doing anything, and i get the focus from the entire group of enemy, if i peek just one pixel i will get shreded instantly

meanwhile the entire team is dancing in middle of the room cause they cant do anything lol

[onyx sage]

i think he knows

[vernal bison]

dont hate but im running strikers with coyotes mask, which should i use? St Elmos, Bighorn, or Strega?

[red island]

use what you like most tbh

[subtle bluff]

Thinking....

[hexed steppe]

High doubt

[silent storm]

Does Blind Fire count as Hip fire?

[sudden frost]

Does anyone know how to enable adaptive trigger for ps5 controller on pc ??
For division 2

[strong cave]

DS5 windows I think

[sudden frost]

Since we are trying to button map.
Is there any risk of getting banned ?

[strong cave]

No. I regularly use DS4 windows with division

You can also just use Steam Input if you have that option as well

[sudden frost]

Steam input enable adaptive trigger and dual shock ??

I tho k I have DSX.
Will try with this.

[strong cave]

I don't have a PS5 controller but I'd assume it would work

[sudden frost]

Also reWASD is the new thing I heard.
Which the creators have made presents for div 2 I guess

[strong cave]

ReWASD is commonly used to emulate keyboard and mouse as a controller for aim assist. It's a form of cheating

And it's not free either

[sudden frost]

Ohh I guess I’ll skip that then 😆

[strong cave]

I mean, you won't get banned for it, but it is seen as cheating

Same way Cronus/XIM is a cheat device

[sudden frost]

But they offer the most granular DualShock and adaptive triggers settings for ps5 controller.
Better than ds4 and dsx with presets

[hazy steeple]

Okay back to the build advice now.

That wasn't a suggestion.

[strong cave]

Uh. Steam Input isn't for cheating 😭 it's to help him with his PS5 controller not working with trigger settings

Was only trying to help him out I swear 🙏

[hazy steeple]

It has nothing to do with this channel, so take it elsewhere.

[strong cave]

Alrighty. Sorry

[silent storm]

Do kills with Skilled and Oxidizer reset just one round or the whole tube?

[cerulean smelt]

just a round

which you got to be careful with. if you use say the hive that you can increase your skill damage, duration and haste from your back. you may end up getting a charge for that instead of the oxi

[silent storm]

What Acheievments do you lose out on by boosting a character to 40?

[hexed steppe]

why would you kill your oxi damage with skilled?

just use glass or a different skill

[gentle lichen]

doakes stare

[round zinc]

for shroud, if every active enemy are the same(like say full elite assault or hunter room on summit) then does the damage boost apply to all of them

[cerulean aurora]

I like to get somebody's opinion. I noticed there's some gear that have crit hit chance crit hit damage and weapons damage now Would you go weapon damage over Crit or would you go crit over damage?

[cobalt junco]

you can increase weapon damage through expertise, i would increase chc and chd, a perfect red core build is +50% chc and +120% chd imo

[cerulean aurora]

I know that but I'm making a hazard armor region build but I want to use the gear sets that have either weapon damage or crit hit damage or credit a chance and that's why I'm asking. Would you go over weapon damage over crit or would you go crit over weapon damage?

[subtle bluff]

There is no "Prefect" CHC/CHD. I always just say this:
Standard DPS Crit:
With Coyote's 50-54% CHC
W/O Coyote's closest to 60% CHC withouit going over
then the rest into CHD.

[cobalt junco]

i have spoken

[subtle bluff]

This isn't finish but here's kind of the reasons.

I will say going hazpro is going backwards.

[cerulean aurora]

So with or with out crit, weapon damage is weapon damage the crit is just a bonus hit

[subtle bluff]

Bonus Damage.

[simple haven]

Been fooling around with the seasonal modifiers and trying to build around them.

Demo spec focusing on the GL using the infinite ammo seasonal active has turned up some interesting data. Red cores seem not to affect GL explosion damage? Is this true or is this just Div2 target range shenanigans

[subtle bluff]

I don't know what the modifiers read.

[gloomy spruce]

Gunner and Sharpshooter with the Advanced Material Active also produce impressive results. Gunner Minigun and Striker are amazing when used on Group Legendary Runs with Advanced Material.

[red island]

yeah but you doubt everything

[hazy steeple]

Advanced Machinery?

[gloomy spruce]

Sorry, I meant Advanced Material. I changed it.

[hazy steeple]

I think it's actually "materiel" ingame, which are apparnetly a military term or something.

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, it is. I am just not up on the terminology.

[hazy steeple]

Ditto, just googled it.

[gloomy spruce]

Also @simple haven , I think explosive damage does boost grenade launcher. So maybe a red china light and 2nd piece of grupo can give your builds some extra heft...

[digital burrow]

Ye it does

Also sticky explosive , nades, artillery turet , technician Specialization

[simple haven]

Thing is I don't think... you actually need red

so you can go blue core tank Tardigrade who occasionally deletes an entire room with a cascade of GL rounds

or you can go skill build, even healer, and then you suddenly whip out the GL and delete the room

The GL is hands down the most effective usage of the skill as long as you have a way to cycle the GL quickly

some preliminary scuffed pieces and we get a 9-shot GL that reloads when you swap off and back to it

9 GL rounds is enough to obliterate spawn doors on at least 3 -man heroic scaling

tank type enemies excepted, of course

[shy willow]

iirc weapon damage scales spec weapons

[simple haven]

is what you'd think, but when we tested it, the GL was an exception

but I'm not sure if that was just range shenanigans, since I didn't have time to live-test on actual enemies

thing is other bullet-based spec weapons scaled aas you'd expect with red, just fine in the range

[red island]

that's prob stolen from French then, same with ammunition which is also stolen but not correctly cause it's supposed to be "la munition"

[hazy steeple]

TiL

...Material appearing as both a noun and adjective, and materiel serving solely as a noun. ```

Who says you don't learn anything from div2.

[somber yarrow]

hi chat any thinkerer build?

[hazy steeple]

Slapping it on OD works remarkably well, w/a ceska wicked backpack.
the trick is to make sure that you are using the right talents on your guns, and avoiding named/exotic guns entirely.

If you use it with Gunner, you can use Banshee Pulse to proc your bleed bullets when you run out.

[cerulean smelt]

if you got say cheese with the striker or crusader shield you can probably get your bleed bullets that way as well, as long as you kill them while they're blinded XD

unless, of course you're using LMG then forget the shield say cheese bit

[hazy steeple]

Say Cheese is really fun, honestly, I've been slapping Zealot on the LMG variant and if you thought you were unkillable before, you can wear the Amaru headband and just be rambo.

bonus style points if you use Foam Chem as your other skill, so you can spawn-trap everyone.

[round zinc]

whats the best 2 talent combo for tinkerer?

[magic pilot]

Sadist+eyeless or ignited

[somber yarrow]

hey chat what do you think he is using for attributes?

skill damage?

[cerulean smelt]

hopefully skill damage, but with some people you never know

[gentle lichen]

What the hell is that

[cerulean smelt]

plus, no clue why preservation and lucky. you'd think they'd go future perfect and insync. oh and why oxi and artificer? 🤔

[gentle lichen]

I have 2 questions
Does refactor heal proc empathic?
Does lucky shot give oxi infinite ammo?

If not that build is shit

[cerulean smelt]

didn't even see the chest talent, good catch on that. you'd think glass cannon instead no?

[simple haven]

probably grossly confused how the set works

[somber yarrow]

is an oxidezer build

I do not know but he shots oxi non stop dealing 286,000 each shot, he changed the chest talent for kinetic momentum

[cerulean smelt]

personally i can tell you, it'd probably not do much since enemies will stay out of oxi clouds mostly

[onyx sage]

it does proc empathic

[round zinc]

how am i suppose to proc all that consistently

[magic pilot]

🤷‍♂️

[round zinc]

😔

[magic pilot]

You said best combo, and gave no context

I gave most dps and no context

[round zinc]

fair enough thats on me

[magic pilot]

What were you looking for? I can probably give real advice

[round zinc]

for striker AR build i mean

[magic pilot]

Streamlined+killer, if you don't want to run streamlined I'd go measured

[blazing notch]

I dunno, I would rather LMG tinkerer than AR. It just feels wrong if there's no St Elmo's fire

[onyx sage]

lmg talents are also better anyway

[magic pilot]

I haven't used Elmo's since the last nerf

September 24th, 2024

[cerulean smelt]

anyone see tickles video today?

[round zinc]

WRONG SERVER IM SORRY

[round zinc]

should i even bother with it for AR striker?

i use memento for solo play and coyote for group content

[cerulean smelt]

he made a 4 OD with overdogs, Grupo wicked backpack and used sanitation. looked pretty intense

[round zinc]

whats sanitation?

[onyx sage]

nah tbh

[round zinc]

wouldn't a famas with 2 talents outperform lex easily
or its not worth sacrificing the utility of a 2nd gun being say ACS for striker stack?

[blazing notch]

I dunno, I find the idea of a weather effect being produced by a gun kinda cool

so its always st elmos

[magic pilot]

You lose coyotes so no

[round zinc]

so why does the loss of coyote less relevant for LMGs like suggested above?

[patent fossil]

^

Also third stat on lmgs is usually best as chc since they already have dtooc

[gentle lichen]

So on most occasions you'll be at 60% where coyote is not that relevant and get substituted with tinkerer

[magic pilot]

Frenzy is op

[round zinc]

but assuming that in a group setting at least 1 person is running coyote, then tinkerer should be good right?or overdog just diffs it

[hearty owl]

WHATS UP BUILD ADVICE CHANNEL

[onyx sage]

no

[round zinc]

was that for me

[onyx sage]

no

[hearty owl]

yes

[red island]

maybe

[round zinc]

gonna ask again to be sure

[magic pilot]

Yea

[rocky cape]

Anyone have a build with shroud?

[cerulean smelt]

Think only one I saw was, 3 hotshot, chain killer, overdogs forget the last piece

[strong cave]

Airaldi

[gentle lichen]

4pc hotshot is still good even if you don't have determined

[magic pilot]

Fox

Nvm

I can't read

[cerulean smelt]

Nah, think fiftysdeath is correct with airialdi backpack with vigi

[storm radish]

Has anyone got a good build for chameleon striker shield?

[meager fog]

Chameleon is just bad in general.

Better off just using something like an SMG9 with Killer

Chameleon is an AR that doesn't benefit from any advantages of an AR (Bad at range, awful handling) that behaves like an SMG also without any of the advantages (Innate 21% CHC and better close range)

[storm radish]

I'm using this what I have.

[meager fog]

And i'm giving you the advice you'll get in here, nobody will recommend a build for Chameleon when Police M4, Famas, F2000, Lexington and St Elmos exist.

And all of those are infinitely better

[storm radish]

And I have none of them so I'll have to use what I have for now

[meager fog]

Then my advice is this: Farm another AR, it will take 5 minutes to get a better one than the Chameleon (Exotics aren't automatically better)

[tired falcon]

just farm countdown on challenging with AR as targeted loot; it's easy and by sheer volume of item drops you'll get either a good high-end (aka the gold coloured items) drop or an exotic like St. Elmo. Use the countdown credits to buy named item or exotic caches, decent chance for good item.

Essentially this countdown farming method is probably the fastest way to get near god roll items

[subtle bluff]

There only a very few builds that are weapon specific generally most DPS builds are generic.

[subtle bluff]

Simple answer is Strikers. But you will learn that Chameleon has a few limitations vs other choices.

[cloud laurel]

I know one best player run with backbone, Overdog, HH, 2 HS and turmoil. He carry us with 5D. Pretty fun watching him blow up everything.

[silent storm]

I like Chameleon and use it on my Strikers often

[meager fog]

Ok? Doesn't make it good.

It's an active nerf over most other weapons

[silent storm]

Real good in Countdown though when you can stack CHD and just clear entire spawns

[subtle bluff]

5D?

[silent storm]

I think that is what makes Division 2 better than The Division. In The Division there is really only like 3 guns that you seriously use for DPS. You got The House, LWM4/LVOA-C and the Skill build stat stick. Division 2 there are plenty of options to choose from and different archetypes within the classes

[subtle bluff]

Can we not bring of Div1 stuff in the Div2 Build Advice channel….

[meager fog]

You can choose from whatever you want to.

Doesn't make everything viable. Fact is, CHameleon just is not viable

[silent storm]

Saying it isn't viable is a bit of a stretch isn't it.

The thing is a laser and once amped up does decent damage

[subtle bluff]

It is not a laser by any means

That’s a stretch.

[silent storm]

Are you on console?

[meager fog]

Not even CLOSE to being a Laser. Especially at the ranges ARs are meant to be played at.

[subtle bluff]

Do you have to start this with me again?

[silent storm]

I use it like an SMG

[meager fog]

He's on PC, he's also a very good play er, and one of the people who helps with the build theory of this game.

You don't want to challenge him on this

[subtle bluff]

And SMG are not lasers.

[meager fog]

Why would you use an AR like an SMG when SMGs are inherently better for that purpose? lmao

I point you back to this: #td2-build-advice message

[silent storm]

30 HS gets it 20% CHC

[subtle bluff]

It’s actually better to Proc the Body buff than the Crit/HS buff

[meager fog]

LMAO

[silent storm]

is it hard to hit 30 HS or something?

[meager fog]

Again, why use something that requires you to do that, when you could use something that is already better and benefits from INNATE 21% CHC.

[subtle bluff]

Players for some reason focus on getting the head buff first for some reason..

[silent storm]

How many SMGs get 90 WD?

[meager fog]

All of them can have killer on them, which provides 70% CHD, which is already beating the Chameleon.

[silent storm]

I mean you are shooting at things regardless so it isn't like amping up the Chaeleon is some weird chore

[subtle bluff]

Also the CHC on SMG let’s you stats more into CHD.

[meager fog]

^ Again beating the Chameleon

[subtle bluff]

“Amping” up

[silent storm]

I run 30% CHC on my Striker with Chameleon and it gets filled in with 1/2 a mag

[subtle bluff]

And you’ve read nothing said beforehand..

[silent storm]

There are very few SMGs I would use over Chameleon for Striker build in Countdown

[meager fog]

Being wilfully ignorant of facts doesn't make you right.

Stacking the Chameleon is the definition of a chore, and an unecessary one at that when other weapons do more, easier and faster. Simples

[subtle bluff]

End story: Chameleon is usable, can a fun to use to do a lot of damage. But how it handles and its range makes it less desirable to use in a meta.

[silent storm]

agreed on all except I think it handles fine

[subtle bluff]

Handling at Range

[silent storm]

I mean I have been using a lot of Rifles on my Tipping Point build because once you stack that up Rifles are insane DMG. So maybe going from a Baker's Dozen or LWM4 to the Chameloen has skewed my view of good handling

Because those boys jump around a lot with the trigger held lol

[meager fog]

Compared to a rifle in Division 2 the Men in Blacks "Cricket" has good handling

[subtle bluff]

How's the Leggo Zoo going?

[silent storm]

You know the room with the gator?

That's a challenge

[subtle bluff]

I know zoo well.

[silent storm]

I'm not going to pull out a shield though I will figure it out

Honestly thinking I need to switch to Pesti for that room

My 249 B though man that does the work with Killer. I really need to find one that I can try Frenzy on

I have a Stoner LAMG with Frenzy but it is low rolled and really don't want to optimize it

[gentle lichen]

farm a better one 👍

[silent storm]

yeah 20 Countdowns later lol

Still don't have a better one

I don't know maybe I will just level up the Stoner but that will be a lot of flags to do so

Then my luck is once I optimize it I'll get it in a drop

Are there any builds somewhere where you can go 6 Reds and have higher Skill tier through equipment like this?

[gentle lichen]

that's usually relegated to pvp healer builds where you use brazos technician and this pistol to get 3 skill tiers which equates to 3 blue cores

maybe in pve it be more about making capacitor more powerful

[amber crater]

if you can use Memento or NinjaBike exotic backpack they have all 3 cores

[silent storm]

This was actually my thoughts on making a skill build that relies on gear and Technician and like you said NB or Memento

[gentle lichen]

Meh FI bag talent is op in pvp

[silent storm]

What is FI bag?

[gentle lichen]

But ever since birdie's it's the best exo bag for pvp healer

Half a sec revive time is simply ridiculous

[gentle lichen]

Future initiative bag

Doubles the proximity repair buff

[silent storm]

Oh yeah my healer is Future

I got Bag Mask Holster and Knees in my healer build

BTSU obviously and Alps Empathic

[gentle lichen]

If for pve this is the best build for FI

Red FI is also pretty good

[silent storm]

The Setup?

[gentle lichen]

Mmhm amplifier for your team

And lefty with survivalist for perf sledge

[silent storm]

Is that better than Empathic?

Like because as healer I don't shoot as much

[gentle lichen]

Those two are in seperate slots can't really compare them like that

[silent storm]

I use FI bag

and BTSU so I would have to give up chest for bag

[gentle lichen]

Meh with all the repair skill you have you won't need the extra healing

[gentle lichen]

Fi chest will buff your team's weapon damage and skill damage when at full armor

[silent storm]

But repairing gives weapon and skill DMG with Empathic

[gentle lichen]

And oppo will also buff against certain targets

[silent storm]

The thing is my team would have to shoot what I am shooting

[gentle lichen]

Do it the other way around

Shoot what your team is shooting to amplify their damage

[silent storm]

Need to see the chest talent for FI

ok so +15 to +25% DMG then the shooting what they are shooting

[gentle lichen]

And the occasional sledge debuff

[silent storm]

So they would just need to stay closer to me

[subtle bluff]

This is the newer version. That QR died.

[silent storm]

So no Capacitor on FI build?

I was playing around with Scorpio the other night and it is rounds fired not pellets hit which kind of makes me think it is nothing more than a stat stick in this game

I don't know if I like it

I was feeling like with Capacitor and an offensive skill along with the hive I might contribute more than just being healbot

I do like the Mosquito though and use it for strongholds if I am healing

Just because I can stack up then just hide

Busy Little Bee though that gun can be nuts

That and a Test Subject is how I ramped DMG for Skill builds

[rich cosmos]

The talent goes unused

[silent storm]

Yeah but if I had a DMG skill then it would be better because honestly the way I play now 99% of my healing is hive

The only time I use my tube is when some dummy goes of falone and dies

or if we are at the boss and we need the extra healing the tube gives like when the drones are overhead

And with how often I OC as healer I was thinking a BFB or just single Seeker Mine with OC would be good DMG maybe even the Cluster Mines

Striker Drone or Turret like plenty of ways to do it

[subtle bluff]

It's a support build. The dmg you would do overal with Capa is like 2% in total of what full teams damage.

vs buffing/debuff everything.

[silent storm]

But what if I could do 3%?

[subtle bluff]

That you wouldn't healing or doing other things

[silent storm]

Honestly does Scorpio have unlimited range because as Healer I am never in SG distance

[subtle bluff]

It's all on the guide if you thing otherwise cool. This is the meta support build for all the reasons in the guide.

[silent storm]

Yeah I read the guide, IDK I'll try the Scorpio just to see how it acts

[subtle bluff]

We don't expect players to understand everything. Repeating myself again it's meta for a reason.

[silent storm]

I see that and 2 pellets hit so like as soon as you went into cover the debuff has already been over

[subtle bluff]

Not the other 2

[silent storm]

?

What other 2?

[subtle bluff]

Making me repeat myself is getting old.

[silent storm]

And that is an open target with no obstructins

IDK I'll try it an see

Maybe it will be my new healer build

You know what makes me mad? You know how many The Setups I sharded because they had Repair and Haste on them because I was like that looks like garbage

Only kept the ones with Haste and Damage

[violet juniper]

Only needs to land a few pellets to apply the status

the length of time the person you shoot is affected by that status is dependent on how many pellets you hit

Point blank will last longer than long range

[silent storm]

Yeah that was my point, shooting a target 50 meters away is basically worthless

[subtle bluff]

It procs other things so not worthless.

[silent storm]

Venom. What is the debuff effrects of it because the IG description is lacking

The stacks don't matter when they fall off .5 seconds after being applied and it isn'tr a per pellet debuff

And things die so fast when you have good DPS even applying the Scorpio is mostly for bosses I would think

You ain't stacking a regular mob

Hounds are the only thing I can think of this works

And aren't they mostly immune to Scorpio?

Shock would be the only reason I can think of

That is a lot of weight for a number 1 slot weapon to carry for such a niche reason

Like is that Raid only or something?

IDK it looks to me like math nerds wrote that

I can see Scorpio as a secondary weapon but not the main focus

[violet juniper]

Why TF would you use a shotgun at 50 metres

[violet juniper]

You can get up to 3-4 stacks on a regular mob

[silent storm]

That ain't proccing 20% DTT?

Like I said, a bunch of math nerds looking for most DMG possible built that. It is not realistic in 99% of content

[hazy steeple]

Technically, the send-off can reach 32m at optimal range.
and this is why pure stats are important, but not the be-all.

[subtle bluff]

Funny enough I only went up to Algebra in High School and didn't much math otherwise.

[subtle bluff]

I mean the funnier part is when are we engaging with things that far out normally.

He still can't understand that why 2 shots from a Scorpio would proc more than one things normally and go on a mini rant quest.

[silent storm]

What does it proc? I see the description in game, I see the duration relying on pellets hit

takes 9 shots to apply 20% DTT

So it is a boss build

[subtle bluff]

It's all in the guide

[silent storm]

What else will still be alive in the time it takes you to pump 9 shots in?

[subtle bluff]

You don't read well enough. You really have a simple thought on this stuff.

[silent storm]

Hunters, Rogues and bosses are the only thing I see it viable

[hazy steeple]

It might help if you explain what point you're trying to make.

[silent storm]

and even then, are they really that tough?

[subtle bluff]

I mean you're fighting them in Leggo zoo

[silent storm]

The only excuse I see to use Scorpio is for 20% debuff

[subtle bluff]

And it's not Scorpio buff

Narrow mindset.

And likes to repeat himself.

[silent storm]

Do you not understand that 99% of things die before you can even get that buff on them as a healer?

[subtle bluff]

😶‍🌫️

[cerulean smelt]

asa healer you're doing that much damage?! i call hacks!

[silent storm]

unless it coincides with the 10 second venom it's worthless

[hazy steeple]

The only way you're doing that much damage as a healer, is if you pick up your hive, and go and bean them in the head with it.

[silent storm]

Is Venom a debuff?

[hazy steeple]

No, it's a middling movie from Sony.

good cast, terrible marketing.

[cerulean smelt]

so what's that make Eminem's venom song?

[hazy steeple]

the 2nd worst part about the first movie, after that initial trailer of course.

[silent storm]

If that is the case then I was wrong about everything

[hazy steeple]

To be fair to the Scorpio, it doesn't actually say what "venom" is.

And it's a unique term in div2.

they should've called it "go watch upgrade instead".

[cerulean smelt]

only thing i feel that venom does in div 2 is DCD with those barrels of acid would be fairly similar. to me anyways. got the same icon

[silent storm]

Even in the description it isn't orange

Debuffs get the orange treatment

So for us dummies, Venom is a debuff that activates damage buffs on enemies? Not the actual debuffs listed on the gun.

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure if you see the shock debuff, is when we are nearly getting our damage buff
takes 9 hits to get the damage buff since they changed it recently from 7 shots to 9 shots

[subtle bluff]

WHy do you keep saying Venom?

[silent storm]

Yeah it takes 9 shots to get 20% and I was testing that to see if it was 9 pellets or shots, and I saw 9 shots and was like this is garbage

[silent storm]

That is what Scorpio applies

[subtle bluff]

No that's the name of the Stack.

[silent storm]

Stack of venom

[subtle bluff]

Name of the "debuff"/stack it is nothing nothing else.

[cerulean smelt]

you literally gotta hit the same target with 9 shots of scorpio to get that damage buff to proc

[silent storm]

I know

[subtle bluff]

So what's your issue now?

[silent storm]

That is my reason to say it is garbage unless used against bosses hunters or rogues

[subtle bluff]

You shoot something 4 times it's CC

Idk how that's garbage? It's CC where it can't do anything to you or your teamates

[silent storm]

Your DPS should be killing in the time it takes 4 shots

[subtle bluff]

But OK go on.....

[shy willow]

Scorpio is like one of the top options in the game

[subtle bluff]

Your a support build you don't do DPS.

[cerulean smelt]

guess setting things on fire with iron lung is garbage too, or shocking things with elmos as well?

[shy willow]

Scorpio is most often run on support builds that don't have any DPS as chow alluded to

[silent storm]

DO you not realize when I say DPS I am not talking about myself but a DPS team member?

Like if I can apply 9 stacks to a normal yellow bar in a fight my DPS sucks

[subtle bluff]

But then using 2 shots on a ads with FI build makes that target take 15% x 10%x more amp damage.

Why do you keep thinking we said 9 shots when we've Never said anything about it.

Only you have.

[silent storm]

ok so Venom is not a debuff. You need the Poison to kick in

[subtle bluff]

2 shots isn't hard.

Or 1 shot for extra 15%

You gonna make sure repeat ourselves for you not wanting to read?

[silent storm]

But like I said unless you are right up next to the target the debuff wears off so fast is it even worth applying?

[hazy steeple]

Using Legendary difficulty as an example: your DPS is not killing the boss faster than you can fire a few Scorpio shots as a healer.

[silent storm]

And that is why I said it is a boss hunter rogue thing

[subtle bluff]

10s in a fight is pretty long..

[silent storm]

Not a standard use weapon

[subtle bluff]

You haven't played a lot leggo to even understand this mindset.

[silent storm]

But the debuffs don't last 10 seconds

[shy willow]

It's great in general as a support weapon you get free cc

[silent storm]

Only Venom does

So is Venom a debuff or not?

[shy willow]

Venom is the name of the debuff bruh

[subtle bluff]

I swear you do not READ anything I post... or have a thought to think more than one move ahead.

[shy willow]

More stacks of venom stack the buffs

[cerulean smelt]

for me, scorpio makes a great mark for "i want you to shoot this dead" and it's plenty enough

[silent storm]

Dude I read the description of the weapon and was in the shooting range testing it

2 pellets is like nothing for debuff time

[subtle bluff]

Like you've said to it's not just a range game.

Well we can keep shooting it till it's daed.

[cerulean smelt]

that's your problem then. those dummies don't do much to you in general

[silent storm]

But you can aim off target and watch the debuff go down faster and faster as you hit it with less pellets

[subtle bluff]

ssomeone post something for me

[hazy steeple]

this conversation right now

[shy willow]

https://youtu.be/Bmlu0CJIRtM?si=uwG2P5RmWk7iyTL1

Here's an example of Scorpio in its element

[silent storm]

Was this 15 seconds of DMG debuff?

Or was it 3 ?

[shy willow]

Dude read the talent description, the debuff lasts 10 seconds

Only the status effects have varying duration depending on pellets hit

[subtle bluff]

Why do we keep talking about this?

[cerulean smelt]

reading comprehension?

[subtle bluff]

That was proving the point is that a shotgun can still hit stuff at long ranges.

Which in turns procs other things on the meta FI build.

[cerulean smelt]

according to them easy crowd control is useless in the game

[silent storm]

So Venom is the debuff then?

[subtle bluff]

do you want to describe mechanically what each step is doing?

[subtle bluff]

I think I've repeated myself saying repeat too many times.

[cerulean smelt]

new username? BrokenRecord?

[subtle bluff]

Hi, I am Repeat.

[cerulean smelt]

Lmao

so intead of /inviteImMrChow we call you /inviteImRepeatingMrChow?

[light grove]

I for one appreciate it the few seconds a target is controlled… even if it is 1 or two.

[vernal bison]

is this build good? i think its more fun than a strikers with st elmos

[solar sable]

well... yeah but no Fenris

[meager fog]

Crit chance is too low. Don't rely on Coyotes to buff for 10% all the time.

Settling around 55% will give much more and allow you to also use the 25% CHD buff without losing too much

[vernal bison]

what is the chd buff also i got my crit chance to get to 55% and thats without max watch too

[meager fog]

When enemies are within 10m, Coyotes doesn't give any CHC buff, it gives 25% CHD only.

[vernal bison]

ah

is there a better exotic that gives CHC? either chest piece or mask?

[subtle bluff]

nope

[tropic burrow]

hey guys any new dps meta? + can you please help me i am running 4 strikers + that mask that gives dual bonus and not sure what else and using famas with strained and famas with streamline is there anyway I boost my dps even further or is this the most? my chc is 56 and chd is 120 or something like that

[obtuse crystal]

this is the bis striker build usually i took this picture from ImMrChow

[subtle bluff]

The 2 meta's are Strikers and OD Tinkerer. Just like the post above you can find in the Pinned Messages > GDoc Sheets > Build Hub

[obtuse crystal]

mrchow if you dont mind me asking for 1st and 2nd shooter on incursion is a 686 magnum okay or does it have to 586 or harvest

[subtle bluff]

Let me point you somewhere else one sec

[obtuse crystal]

oki i just got a good 686 just wanted to see thank you

[subtle bluff]

They all work.

[obtuse crystal]

oki

[tropic burrow]

thanks, im sorry for asking but wouldnt the bis be the tinkerer instead of coyote? I really don't know

[tropic burrow]

thank you, can mathematically there has to be only 1 can you assist me if anyone tested it like iKia or something like that?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no for that one. Exotic talents can be more useful too.

[subtle bluff]

Well one doesn't needs stacks and one does need stack to get to peak DPS.

[tropic burrow]

oh damn im an idiot OD you guys meant ongoing directive?

may I ask with what guns? and tinkerer + OD?

and talents so I can farm them now

[subtle bluff]

All in the build hub.

[wispy hollow]

Another variation - Replace chest with Ceska. Replace mask with Negotiator and run the Overdogs gloves

[meager fog]

Talents you want Sadist + Whatever your preference. I love Frenzy personally.

Gun again is down to preference although there are some that are mathematically better its marginal in most cases (IWI Negev and GR9 are my favourites)

[tropic burrow]

Cold Relations please are you referring to OD or Strikers for the above?

thanks a lot I will farm now too

[elder lantern]

Good morning! I loved Retaliation mode, but despite trying several builds, I simply can't do Retaliation in Heroic mode alone. I think there should be a matchmaking option for Retaliation mode.

[cerulean smelt]

well, sadist is for bleeding targets so probably OD
strikers would be a different talent

[bright raptor]

call for backup or matchmake for free roam, tell whoever joins that you're doing retaliation, then only do you trigger retaliation

[meager fog]

Sadist is for OD, its a staple on an OD build

Amplifies damage to bleeding targets by 30%, since everything and everyone will be bleeding. Its a 100% up time after first OD proc

[elder lantern]

Yes, this option of asking for reinforcement is what many are doing to be able to play this mode, but the bad thing is that many, when they realize it is retaliation, they leave, meaning the ideal would be to have the matchmaking option since the mode is made for cooperation.

[buoyant perch]

use in-game central chat, that way you can get people who also want to do retal

[bright raptor]

in game central chat is the domain of Taiwanese boosting services

really, use the LFG channels here

[buoyant perch]

nah I speak Chinese, it's not Taiwanese

other than 3-4 bots that you can block, the Chinese speakers are just LFG in central chat

[violet juniper]

you're not using Scorpio just for the debuff at 9 shots lmao

It's a team support weapon first and foremost I'd say

[violet juniper]

Erm, akshually you want perpetuation for the bleed extension

(I'm kidding, Sadist is absolutely the best)

[violet juniper]

Tink OD is great, Measured/Sadist or Killer/Sadist are my favorites

[meager fog]

Not a measured fan myself, I can see the appeal but it spins my head 🤣

Much prefer a frenzy

[violet juniper]

the other half of the mag has the big numbers that I love to look at, that's why I use it lmao

also it's just a really fun talent

[tardy nacelle]

Anybody that plays/played striker build can give some advice to a newbie?

[meager fog]

Any gun with high RPM works

[tardy nacelle]

can i settle on one of these or do I just keep on farming for St.Elmo

[meager fog]

Bluescreen works. I wouldnt recommend Chameleon.

Also any high end AR/LMG/SMG can also work.

Talents you can use are Killer, Strained, Measured, Frenzy(LMGs)

[tardy nacelle]

I'm new to the game so I kinda would prefer an Exotic cause its much closer to full power if u get me x)

[meager fog]

Exotics are no more powerful (in alot of situations) than high end gear.

[tardy nacelle]

Yeah I get that but its day 3 for me so as of now I'd say they are better cause I don't have much going on as of now

[magic pilot]

Bluescreen is good but it's super low crit

Make sure you have chc as third attribute on it

[meager fog]

They have their uses, but can all be happily replaced with High end.

A high end Police M4 with Killer, for example, will do far more damage than the Elmos. But the Elmos has the advantage of innate 15% CHC and 15%CHD and built in CC

[meager fog]

Also this, but it makes up for lower damage with insane CC, very useful for Solo play

[tardy nacelle]

Aren't these stats on Exotics like always the same no? Just higher/lower roll values

[meager fog]

Third one is random on all weapons, including exotics.

You need Dttooc on all weapons for third attribute, except LMGs which have CHC normally.

[tardy nacelle]

Well then I got lucky as f I guess lmao

[meager fog]

CHC should be as close to 60% as you can get (55% if using Coyotes mask)

[magic pilot]

Yea you got super lucky

[tardy nacelle]

and on Exotics u can't recalibrate the random 3rd stat, or you can?

[bright raptor]

Only by rerolling all three stats at once

[violet juniper]

Chameleon is fine

[violet juniper]

Why not chameleon?

Its damage potential is outdone only by Strega at full stacks

[weak geyser]

Hi, is it possible to obtain st.elmo? If so, how?

[obtuse crystal]

yes it is you its in the targeted loot pool for ars best way would be to target ars in countdown

also is a blueprint from retaliations to craft it if dont wanna do countdown

[meager fog]

Id love it to be reworked as an SMG to match its playstyle.

But in all honesty, the stacks are just too much hassle to maintain. When you can just point and blast with other stuff without thinking about it.

It has high damage sure, but killer provides as much with less hassle (70% CHD vs 90% WD)

[violet juniper]

it absolutely should be an SMG

but then I feel like the head buff would be broken

[weak geyser]

Okay, thanks. To increase my chances of winning, do I have to play on the highest difficulty level?

[meager fog]

Would beat it playing like an SMG without the benefits of one...at least it would be a choice to use it. As it is, I'll just take the SMG9/Killer over it

[red island]

chameleon is a vector on ar, so the accuracy is awful, very much not great, also talent sound insane but in reality not so much

[rich cosmos]

Honestly cham would be amazing if they just buffed the range and accuracy a tiny bit

[magic pilot]

The range is fine, chest buff more than compensates for the short drop off, the accuracy is the main issue

[somber yarrow]

@obtuse crystal this one, except he changed the chest talent for kinetic momentum

[obtuse crystal]

It’s a glitch

How he has a lot of charges

[somber yarrow]

so there is a glitch that reloads the skills that fast?

he ended with 80

[midnight talon]

@somber yarrow not a glitch , it’s the chatterbox talent

Refills ammo on kill

[smoky latch]

It's an exploit that's triggered by the Tinkerer mask in combination with certain skills and the lucky shot talent

Infinite chem launcher ammo

[midnight talon]

@smoky latch Chatterbox

[smoky latch]

It's not about Chatterbox he's asking

[obtuse crystal]

That refills the weapons ammo it doesn’t refill oxidizer

[midnight talon]

@obtuse crystal obviously u don’t know , but it’s ok , have fun

[obtuse crystal]

I’ve oxidized entire spawns with chatter never got any back ever unless they changed something very recently it doesn’t

[solar sable]

u know you can reply to others by swiping left the message you want to reply to, right?
Plus, that is not chatterbox's talent, its a glitch/exploit as mentioned earlier

[midnight talon]

Have fun

[obtuse crystal]

That was in the range right

[somber yarrow]

yeah

does it matter for the skill haste, right?

[smoky latch]

No it's an exploit

Skill haste doesn't play into any of that

[somber yarrow]

ok then, thanks chat

[cloud laurel]

He alrdy explained it’s a glitch with trinker mask. You can oxi 24/7 up to idk 10k oxi ammo or more lol

[meager fog]

I just can't sometimes......he wasnt the only one in that countdown either....all 7 of them ran straight into the cooling tower and ignored every single hunter -.-

[onyx sage]

ninja

[red island]

its normal, hunters are on wyvern side

duh

[patent fossil]

Tbf if I was running a build like that I'd steer clear of hunters too

[meager fog]

Fair point I guess

[gloomy spruce]

What are they going to do, capture your skills and use them to wipe out your team?! That's crazy!

[onyx sage]

that's just an urban legend. our parents just don't want us to use skills in front of strangers

[spring basalt]

I saw that DJ Tickle posted a Ninja/Imminence/Brazos Tempest build. But is it actually better than running Striker with Backfire, Chameleon, etc...? Ninja is a very niche piece of gear that is often a trap when building...

[patent fossil]

It won't be better than a meta striker build, no.
YouTube creators have to keep churning out new builds though to keep the views rolling in.

[tropic burrow]

guys whats the meta od build I haven't been playing for months. I got tinkerer and od what guns+ talents + bag talent pls

[patent fossil]

Ceska wicked bag, decent lmg with sadist and another with your preference of backup talent (killer, pressure point, frenzy, maybe eyeless if you're abusing the riker active talent)

[tropic burrow]

@patent fossil thanks what would you choose as the second talent to kill fast?

[patent fossil]

One of the backup talents I just listed.
Personally I tend to run pressure point as it's basically always on and also works against robotics if you have the emp sticky as one of your skills. Others have higher damage potential if you play into their strengths though.

[tropic burrow]

thanks ill go with pressure point

[hexed steppe]

Negodogs w/ bluescreen my main squeeze lately. Probably my favorite dps of all time. Just funny seeing spawns just disappear

[onyx sage]

why is zoo so hard local?

[hexed steppe]

I still need 3x overdogs tho. They need to get into the loot pool immediately

[hexed steppe]

That expertise

[onyx sage]

i'm too poor for expertise or exotics

i'm truly the average player

[hexed steppe]

Also you need grandpa cheering you on 👴 🎉

Are you still running laps or now down to recording?

[gloomy spruce]

I want to know why everything above Story is so hard.

[onyx sage]

i have been recording lol

[coral reef]

Stop trying to make "negodogs" happen. Its Bluescreen Dilemma with Overdogs

[gloomy spruce]

It also has negotiators hence the "nego" part

[rich cosmos]

Unrelated but I hope whenever bluescreen gets a skin its just a black tusk screen draped over it

[coral reef]

We got a Flamimg Moe drink situation here

[vivid shard]

is True Patriot just worse than every other support gearset?

[coral reef]

It got fireworks...

[gloomy spruce]

It is in such a bad state that people mock its very existence and make it the subject of ridicule

[tropic burrow]

@patent fossil hey please 1 final question is there any specific specialization I should use for this build?

[vivid shard]

I really like it but... 8% less damage dealt? seriously? who cares about that?

[hexed steppe]

1st use of negodogs getting this response means its definitely gonna be a thing

The gun is irrelevant to it

[patent fossil]

Eh, probably gunner or survivalist. Survivalist is a bit better in groups, gunner is nice for the aok mainly

[vivid shard]

what should I use with virtuoso?

[hexed steppe]

You shouldn't

[vivid shard]

huh? I know it's way off meta, but I like using it for fun.

[hexed steppe]

Then use it

Nothing wrong with that

[gloomy spruce]

Virtuouso is in a bad state. It needs longer buffs and a more stable damage bonus. It felt great during the season it was introduced, but that season drastically increased the buffs involved.

You are better off with HHF, Hotshot, or a different type of high end exotic build

[vivid shard]

I do not care what "I'm better off using" I just wanna know what other weapons and exotics work well with it

[onyx sage]

it gives a generic weapon damage bonus so anything

you just need to kill to get those bonuses

[gloomy spruce]

Long range and short range get the best damage buffs with Virtuoso. iirc (admittedly that was the season where the modifiers revolved around making versatile work)

Hence why at the moment single shot weapons that are both long and short range are best.

Single shot high damage MMRs and non auto rifle like the 1886, and a secondary like a shotgun that has high damage like the Thorn.

Still, you are trying to push a very heavy boulder up a very steep hill.

[subtle bluff]

TBH if you want to use figure it out. Most weapons don’t have specific build for it.

Otherwise what LostArc said is true for it.

[gloomy spruce]

@vivid shard My suggestion on a build with Virtuoso would be a Chain killer, Gift or Providence backpack with vigi. Both rolled Headshot damage weapon handling. Roll headshot damage on everything else except the weapons.

As for the weapons. Try a White Death, shroud, or 1886 with determined(Determined is broken and highly controversial) or rifleman, and for a shotgun try the Thorn, Sweet Dreams, Scorpio, or any other high damage shotgun that has either pummel or brazen. Shotguns and MMR/Rifles give the biggest buffs of 40% on kill.

On the weapons try to roll Damage to targets out of cover on the weapons themselves.

[vivid shard]

thank you, thank you.

[hexed steppe]

Itll be worth it. Lots of stuff to get just right with no wiggle room. You got this 💯

[onyx sage]

the core idea is to position yourself well to get kills on both long range and short range. think of it like 1/2 hunter's fury and 1/2 hotshot/striker/insert generic mid-long range build here. you have to get kills from both of these ranges to benefit from virtuoso the most.

the weapon choices should follow from this playstyle

[vernal bison]

would that spit out a few more damage than with coyotes and fenris chest piece?

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, Weapon damage through red cores and added weapon damage is already high on an all red build. Ceska would allow you to increase the crit chance to 60% and roll other mods towards crit damage.

[hexed steppe]

Strega is crit starved also

[gloomy spruce]

Since Nego is part of a gear set, it is often needing as much crit damage to make it viable.