td2-build-advice

[vivid axle]

"f your argument is that grey builds can clear all content what benefit does memento provide? "

this is what i said. Memento is irrelevant in the context that gear doesnt matter to clear content

NBB is better because you can use WEIRD things that has been my point the entire time

[violet juniper]

[vivid axle]

NBB allows things like merciless to fire at probably unintended firerates and breaks the animation entirely. if the goal is "being able to clear content" no gear matters at all and the only interesting thing about this game is finding out how to break it

[ivory comet]

Just so we're clear. "NBB is more versatile" Is not a bad take.
"Memento is more useless than NBB" is a pretty poor take. Followed up by "nothing i ever built was worthwhile"

[violet juniper]

being able to make bad combinations does not make NBB better than Memento. That's been the counterpoint the whole time

[ivory comet]

Thats anecdotal. That's not accurate.

[violet juniper]

NBB is pretty versatile, absolutely. Is it good? no

[vivid axle]

memento (by your definition produced by le clearning content with grey gear) is aboslutely rendered useless

you dont like the classifications you imposed yourself

[broken edge]

i'm just going to say you people are arguying for the sake of arguying

[violet juniper]

as is NBB, but you've avoided this point the whole time lol

[broken edge]

so i'm just going to ask to stop

[vivid axle]

by your own definition of gear NBB is more usefull because it does something unique

[broken edge]

it has become an endless "no u"

[vivid axle]

memento does nothjing truly unique

[broken edge]

so chill a bit

[violet juniper]

this is just going in circles, I'm done XD

[broken edge]

both

[vivid axle]

how? the conversation has not devolved at all

[coral reef]

i mean is great to have someone actually defending NBB but its getting nowhere. We get that allows for weird shit. thats it.

[onyx sage]

anyways @coral reef pls carry me in leg tonight

[vestal ibex]

Then go DM.

[ivory comet]

Help me get an Ouroboros, pls. I have 3 more agents to get keys.

[vivid axle]

NBB is a garbage piece of gear. the only benefit it provides is allowing funky stuff to happen that normally wouldnt be possible. Thats the last thing i can say

[violet juniper]

We finally got there

[vestal ibex]

I'd be down for a bit of runs after work.

[vivid axle]

literally bash your xbox into your face you provided nothing to the conversation other that reddit tier asides that benifited nobody

[violet juniper]

does anyone know if Overdogs works on rogue agents?

[ivory comet]

I'm US EST, i'd be on around 8:30pm EST

[violet juniper]

PC master race proving yet again they've got an extra chromosome

[vivid axle]

@broken edge care to comment or is it only when i post that you step in

[violet juniper]

I mean you posted the hate first, so I doubt I'm gonna be in the firing line

anyway

does overdogs work on rogue agents?

[vivid axle]

did i tho

[ivory comet]

I just wouldn't engage him any further. Even to comment that he's conceding. Just go Elsa, brother. Let it go.

[vestal ibex]

I mean as an American, Americans are stupid.

[vivid axle]

flagellate harder and maybe the europeans will accept you

[worn imp]

Self awareness is a virtue.

[magic pilot]

He's not wrong, statistically

[vestal ibex]

I mean a bunch of states have developing nation levels of education...

[violet juniper]

Only by recognizing our flaws can we be free

[vivid axle]

would you care to take a guess why that is?

[coral reef]

so about those builds

[vivid axle]

or is your anti american retoric surface level

[magic pilot]

Too many Cheetos

[violet juniper]

the Cheeto dust is speaking for him at this point

[magic pilot]

Blood is filling up my red-40 stream

[ivory comet]

I'm starting to worry about the amount of cheeto's I give my kids... 👀

And that's not a lot!

[onyx sage]

i can hop on too for legendaries

[vestal ibex]

We decided to tax higher earners less and less and don't have the money to fund the infrastructure and recently have been appointing less than qualified people to run these programs further?

[worn imp]

Recognizing the problems does not mean you are anti-nation-in-question. It means that you are aware of the problems of your nation that you want to see reconciled. If anything it also makes you more patriotic.

[vivid axle]

LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

[dawn perch]

is there an alternative to the chatterbox. It kind of feels a bit mid right now...

[vivid axle]

saying americans are on average stupid is patriotic? i would love to talk to the chiropractor you visit that made you be able to twist yourself into such a pretzel

[violet juniper]

eh.... it's technically the best

ouro matches the fire rate, Backfire matches the damage

[dawn perch]

I am doing like 300k per a hit and I am not really melting anything

[worn imp]

Stupid is a reductionistic way to describe what americans are. It's more complicated than that. But the average American is nonetheless woefully undereducated and lacks important critical thinking skills.

[violet juniper]

Are you running oblit?

just a side question

[vivid axle]

do you actually think that more money into social programs will change things? are you familar with charles murray?

[dawn perch]

i cannot. I do not even have it.

[violet juniper]

Hm.... What's your chest talent?

[coral reef]

can you share your current build?

[ivory comet]

I'm also curious about this chatterbox question

[vivid axle]

What kind of american?

also chatterbox is obv hf with a sokolov piece

[violet juniper]

#td2-build-advice btw, not #economictrendsadvice

[ivory comet]

Basically, I've been looking to change up from ARs.. and I'm looking for an SMG to start trying with

[vivid axle]

nobody asked you

[violet juniper]

start with an SMG-9/Killer

[dawn perch]

do not mind the secondary or the shotgun they are not used at all.

[violet juniper]

I'm sorry Cheeto fingers

[coral reef]

what is your CHC/CHD ratio?

[violet juniper]

that looks fine to me.. except for the random nego piece

[vivid axle]

well for one you dont have 4HF

[dawn perch]

46.5/155.2

[worn imp]

Shall we get a mod in here to shut you up so the discussion can be relegated to the game?

[vivid axle]

i tried to ping the mods multiple times

[dawn perch]

oh wait why is that negoitators

[ivory comet]

I have an SMG-9 with Measured that I've been loving. Killer is kinda meh in group play

[coral reef]

you have to aim for 60% or as close as possible. Also you need the 4th HF piece

[violet juniper]

swap that nego holster for HF, you'll get a big uptick in damage

[dawn perch]

I was doing a different build at the time I think I forgot to switch out

[violet juniper]

I like to aim for 55% personally

[vivid axle]

with 4HF this should work just fine. I find the gameplay loop of max chatter hard to sustain personally so i like other smgs

[violet juniper]

save some loadouts, will help a lot

[vivid axle]

iirc sokolov over GS is more damage i could be wrong though

[dawn perch]

I was doing a determined build at the time with hunter's fury.

[vivid axle]

also doesnt really matter

[dawn perch]

with some experimenting

[magic pilot]

With memento yea

Any other exotic smg ceska is better

[violet juniper]

you might want to get a new grupo chest, those blue roles are yucky

[vivid axle]

ceska over GS really even with baked in chc on smgs?

[hallow arch]

Would bloody knuckle exotic work on hunter's fury?

[versed summit]

Yes

[vivid axle]

it could

[magic pilot]

With memento yea, most other exotic smg has 10% chc from mods

[vivid axle]

oh yeah duh with memento+exotic

[violet juniper]

except for Backfire

I find Sokolov is best with backfire

[vivid axle]

wow youre a genius you should post this right away

[violet juniper]

Compared to you, I am a genius

[worn imp]

all due respect havent we done enough rage baiting for one day?

[violet juniper]

yeah, I'm clocking out in 10 minutes anyway

then I can go straight home to my bed

[vestal ibex]

I didn't say social programs.... Infrastructure=/=social programs. If you are going to say your opinion say it don't position yourself to mislead someone and ask if they know someone. No wonder this entire conversation has been the way it is with you.

[vivid axle]

what infrastructer exists that benefits learning institutions other than social programs. also charles murray is not some crazy reference its pretty stock standard literature if youre discussing americal social politics

[violet juniper]

#td2-general-chat

[onyx sage]

not even that, #off-topic-discussions

[worn imp]

https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/535448280063148033

[frozen haven]

Speaking of True Patriot

[violet juniper]

oh that exists!

[vivid axle]

i still like it with pakhan

[frozen haven]

The Bullet King build from temu

[vestal ibex]

These people are right but honestly you aren't the kind of person who I'd wanna talk to after seeing all these convos.

[worn imp]

Its like talking to a brick wall, yeah.

[vivid axle]

you have nothing to say other than surface level observations gleaned from people you know. if you really want to talk about the decline and horrible current state of american social infrastructure you can dm me

[worn imp]

There is no such thing as talking to you. That is literally not a thing you can do, due to the everpresent wall of dogma and uninformed, preconcieved notions blocking you from keeping an open mind to any degree.

Anywho, im done reading here

[vestal ibex]

pls just let it end people. You do not need the last word.

[worn imp]

is' done

[violet juniper]

I made a redneck math DPS support build with it once

Pesti+Coyote and a Ceska GC chest

[vivid axle]

i have no issues talking but you are clearly very upset for some reason

[violet juniper]

surprisingly managed to outkill and outdamage two striker build guys in the Kelso master manhunt

[violet juniper]

dude can you just shut up at this point

the horse is dead already

[vivid axle]

wow this is such a brave and daring build

[violet juniper]

With true patriot it was lol

[small lily]

Anyone want to help me out. Im new here and just hit 40 and just trying to get the best build and wepons! i got some striker but what else should i be going for?

[vivid axle]

what crack were you smoking that you managed to combine all the craziness of pestilence coyote AND ceska GC chest

ive never seen that before

[violet juniper]

If you run green, you want 4 pieces of just that gear set

[vivid axle]

is this the 30% marksman thing on the holster? you definitely dont want that

[violet juniper]

so a striker holster and a crska chest would be perfect on that build you have rn

[vivid axle]

ill run you through som CD and drop the stuff you need if you want it

[small lily]

im always down. i play all day lol

[dawn perch]

what is an alternative to chatter?

[vivid axle]

if youre a madman you can use lady death

i still find dark winter to be comfy tho

chatter is obv BIS unless you backfire tho

[coral reef]

This is my build for speed running solo heroic--- anything and everything.

[violet juniper]

Backfire

[bright raptor]

any other high end SMG with a good damage or sustained damage talent

the HP scaling on Heroic means it's tremendously unlikely for the Chatterbox to chain enough kills to not require a reload and losing rate of fire stacks

[dawn perch]

who that one "AR" that is really an smg in AR class work?

[mighty flame]

chameleon?

[dawn perch]

yep

[bright raptor]

it can, at the cost of not getting the gearset damage bonus and still suffering from the Vector issues around being able to kill in one mag or less

[ivory comet]

so what do you suggest, SMG-9 with Killer? *someone previously mentioned that

[magic pilot]

Smg-9 best smg atm

Ouro is pretty good, insane reload speed

[ivory comet]

Ouro seems to be recommended on all the build pages

[coral reef]

insane RPM, insane reload, insane damage

[magic pilot]

It's not top for burst anymore but it's not a bad option

[coral reef]

pair it with the seasonal RPM bonus, pair it with Striker... it's the boss deleter, its the everything deleter

[coral reef]

what could possible be better?

[magic pilot]

Smg-9

[ivory comet]

Like.. it SHREDS

[austere ravine]

Dark winter? Or any other vector varieny

[subtle bluff]

Tac Vector 9mm with Killer

[coral reef]

ahhh but I worked so hard for Ouro lol

is smg9 or tac significantly better?

[subtle bluff]

not huge amount

[austere ravine]

I got it first try and I didnt have to do anything I had slaves doing for me ( my friends got me it)

[subtle bluff]

This is with Striker 100 stacks.

[magic pilot]

Ouro is great mainly for the potential dmg output from the fast reload

[ivory comet]

and just so i'm understanding: the general idea is Striker/SMG for bosses (like raids or incursions) should be fine enough, but HF/SMG for everything else?

[magic pilot]

Striker/headshot for most bosses technically

[subtle bluff]

Striker is the meta viable for all level's of content in DIv2

[coral reef]

im getting over 1900 RPM with ouro with full 30% seasonal RPM modifier and Striker. No stacks needed whatsoever. So yes, Tac Vector is looking better, but i would have to sacrifice a mod for putting more bullets in there

[magic pilot]

I don't use striker in open world though

[ivory comet]

HF?

[magic pilot]

Yea pretty much, or OD in groups

OD is the only build I use tinkerer as well

[violet juniper]

I have a Focus GR9 striker build I use it on

[onyx sage]

i use rigger

[solar sable]

I use aegis because it's meta

[gloomy spruce]

Rigger is pretty good as a premade easy bake drone/turret option.

[onyx sage]

i use sniper turret and bombardier drone

[gloomy spruce]

Interesting combo. I would love to see some gameplay of it in action!

I like the assault turret and striker drone myself.

[onyx sage]

i don't think they deal enough damage so i wanted to use these cuz most players don't use them

[gloomy spruce]

Have you tried the bombardier turret? 2x explosions and then you can run china light!

[gloomy spruce]

My fave damage build is all blue health rolled 3pc tp + nbb + 2pc aegis with a sleigher and merciless!

Great damage combo!

Its a great stealth build also. I put it on and NPC's completely ignore me for other players or npc's!

I've leveled up the expertise on my sleigher and merciless. I can now leave the white house and do open world normal!!!!

[onyx sage]

sir the sarcasm is getting out of hand

[hazy steeple]

@gloomy spruce Tone down the sarcasm, this channel is still called "build advice".

[frozen haven]

Yellow Aegis, Nimble holster, Combustor chestpiece, Artificer Hive + Decoy is legendary viable. Add a Sweet Dreams on top and you are unstoppable!

[magic pilot]

outshined by exotic options atm

[gloomy spruce]

Which exotics?

[magic pilot]

capacitor, and bighorn

capacitor will outdps lex with measured

[hallow arch]

Thinking about this Hunter's fury build ever since I got the scorpio shotgun

The only "strange thing" about it (if you could call it that) is that I'm gonna run it with Bloody knuckles gloves

[subtle bluff]

Vigilance will give more than BK.

[hallow arch]

You sure? They both give 25% weapon dmg I think

Oh wait it's the td2 wiki it's probably outdated

[subtle bluff]

One is WD the other is TWD

[hallow arch]

What's the difference?

[subtle bluff]

We have a gearsheet that's updated..

WD add with the rest of WD and TWD is a new number to it all.

[hallow arch]

I...don't get it

[subtle bluff]

Don't mind the mess it's WIP.

[hallow arch]

Wait lemme read that rq

[subtle bluff]

Another thing is:
BK you have to keep proc
Vigilance is free don't get hit or use shield.

[hallow arch]

Also bonus armor right? I heard people use it on heart breaker builds 'cus bonus armor doesn't disable vigil

[subtle bluff]

It's if your White Armor gets hit.

[hallow arch]

So...WD adds to the base damage of the weapon, TWD is added damage from talents, mods, etc.?

On God my brain sucks

[subtle bluff]

BASE WD x (AWD+SWD) x (CHD+HSD) x TWD x DTA/DTH x DTTooC x AMP x AMP x AMPs

So BK is part of AWD.

But ya the rest

[hallow arch]

Man I hate math in my shooting game

[subtle bluff]

I mean you don't need to do math

Just need to know that new number that outside of WD and Crit

[hallow arch]

Got it, so no BK

That said, do I run HF chest and backpack too or are the hi-ends better?

[subtle bluff]

Lattter

[onyx sage]

if you're familiar with how multipliers work in a different game, twd is basically a different multiplier from wd. vigilance adds to twd which is always a smaller value to wd which means it will have more value

[gloomy spruce]

...Vigi on a crit HF build?

I guess it is a thing, but maybe it is more of a commentary about how broken vigi is.

I keep going back to this. The Striker backpack was never the problem. Vigi is a talent that makes all other backpack talents for red builds useless.

Its been too dominant for the last 5 years.

[hallow arch]

Damn is vigil really that good? Considering it doesn't do much on paper

...Less is more I suppose

[solar sable]

vigi is super duper omega good

idk wtf I just said

[hallow arch]

Lmao dw about it

Also for the future HF build I'm running The Grudge and Scorpio

[dawn perch]

damn the backfire jsut sucks to use when you do not have hazard pro or when you don't stack momento stacks

[hallow arch]

Step 1: apply status effects with scorpio/banshee

Step 2: (hopefully) kill enemy with grudge for perfect vindictive

[dawn perch]

are there any rare smgs I should try instead? Or named

or should i use an AA12 instead?

[solar sable]

why not use foam chem instead?

[hallow arch]

What's the difference?

[solar sable]

it applies a status effect too

and is much much simpler

[hallow arch]

Man tf am I gonna do with the scorpio then?

[solar sable]

what was the build again? I'm sorry

[merry seal]

haha. god my build is stupid and unoptimized but silly.

[hallow arch]

Oh mb

Hunter's fury with Grupo backpack with Vigil and Sokolov Chestpiece with Obliterate/Unbreakable. Gear mods are crit chance

Grudge and Scorpio are my guns

I don't have the actual loadout rn I'm just thinking about it

Basically my (almost god roll) Scorpio has max DTA, so I plan to break their armor first, then kill them with grudge for perfect vindictive

Idk it sounds fun

But then again, I am the lag guy, so charging in is still hella risky

[onyx sage]

use a 9mm vector or smg-9

they don't have to be rare to be good

[solar sable]

yeah it does

what does perfect vindi do?

idk man, a 16% CHC & CHD buff for 20s doesn't sound great on paper

[hallow arch]

16%? I swear it was more than that

[solar sable]

21* sorry lol

[dawn perch]

i mean like yellow tier. I have poe brain. What talent by any chance?

[onyx sage]

measured

[subtle bluff]

It's only better because it's a team buff

[hallow arch]

So...I can run it?

I can always get another smg if that's not the case

[subtle bluff]

I guess but it not better nor close to talents like Killer and Measured

[hallow arch]

Well if that's the case then I think I have a vector that has measured

[silent storm]

Brought out the old build just to see how it still stacks up and I have to say it holds up really well.

[subtle bluff]

In heroic?

[hazy steeple]

That's the old "full meta jacket" setup, now known as the "standard red DPS". Or close enough to work anyway.

It's a classic for a reason.

If you see someone use the term "FMJ" on here, that's basically what they're talking about.

[bright raptor]

I've been trying it out with Exodus gloves instead of Coyote's to level its proficiency

[bright raptor]

If you have Ridgeway's Pride you can use that instead + a Wicked backpack as the HF buff range is functionally the range where any shot will bleed enemies. I alternate between this and Ongoing Directive whenever the Ubi Connect challenges for the week want me to bleed enemies

[subtle bluff]

I love my Exo gloves it's saved me soo many times. But now with Overdog I have to be good again.

[forest drum]

How can I make this build better yall ? Thanks !

Looking to do more DPS out of it. Feel like I’m not performing as well as I should with it and I’m missing something or it’s the build.

[gentle lichen]

you can remove the blue core for starters as it's barely doing anything

you can use a different AR with a damage talent as elmo's real specialty is accuracy and cc

[forest drum]

What ar do you recommend besides Lex ?

[gentle lichen]

a famas maybe or an m4

[forest drum]

I tried the famas and still felt too slow to kill elites because of the mag size.

[gentle lichen]

50 rounds?

[forest drum]

I’ll give the M4 a try though. Haven’t messed with it.

[shy willow]

Bruh

[shy willow]

It is functionally identical to Lexington in every single way except having a miniscule amount lower base damage

[forest drum]

What talent should I slap on it? Streamline?

[gentle lichen]

nah

killer or measured can work

[forest drum]

Gotcha, should I run an exotic weapon or just run the golds ?

[gentle lichen]

if you want to you can run a cc exotic like scorpio as backup

[forest drum]

Cool beans. I’ll try it tomorrow. Last question haha thanks for helping me also. Does the crit attributes on weapons you’re not using such as secondary and pistol add to your overall damage or crit hit/ chance?

Or is it only applied while using x weapon

[gentle lichen]

no each weapon's chc is independant

[forest drum]

Okay pretty straight forward then. Thanks for your help. So to summarize , try m4 or famas with killer and change armor core to red.

[gentle lichen]

yeah or other talents that might suit you

[forest drum]

Gotcha , have you messed around with a shroud build at all? I’d like to make one, however, I haven’t seen many builds for it

[gentle lichen]

i wouldn't think it would stray far from a standard hotshot build

[forest drum]

Is there a website with all the builds everyone gets theirs from?

[subtle bluff]

Standard DPS Crit:
With Coyote's 50-54% CHC
W/O Coyote's closest to 60% CHC withouit going over
then the rest into CHD.

[gentle lichen]

spreadsheet in this channel's pinned

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > GDoc Gear > Build Hub

[forest drum]

That’s a sick feature

[subtle bluff]

Elmo's is reliable and it'll work. There are weapons with better burst but then you throw one of those on has your 2nd secondary.

[forest drum]

Ahhh gotcha , what weapons are better ? I was told famas and M4 are the contenders thus far any you’d add?

[subtle bluff]

SMG9 Killer

[forest drum]

Your kidding, really?

[subtle bluff]

Nope not at all. 100% serious.

[forest drum]

What you running on it ?

[subtle bluff]

as in?

[forest drum]

Attributes and weapon mods

[subtle bluff]

Every weapon attributes should be DTTooC

Weapon Mods it's CHC but in this case CHD and one Accuracy Mod.

[forest drum]

I’m going to have a hay day tomorrow using that.

Sounds really fun

[gentle lichen]

aaccuracy mod is 30% or 50%?

[subtle bluff]

There's only a 30 one

[gentle lichen]

did you do a bullet spread test with and without?

[small igloo]

SMG9 not the SMG9 a2 variant

[subtle bluff]

Both work for his case

[subtle bluff]

Ya but also iirc there isn't a CHD for handguard.

[small igloo]

I’m used to running it with unwavering/killer with striker . 👍

[small igloo]

Sights iirc for Chd not sure about the magazine

[subtle bluff]

I hope you know big mag and not CHD for it.

[sly pollen]

I'm looking for a build for PvE gameplay. Can anyone help?

[subtle bluff]

What level are you?

[sly pollen]

2k

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > GDoc Gear > Build Hub

[sly pollen]

I couldn't find it 😄

[subtle bluff]

which part?

[sly pollen]

I couldn't find it in the doc shared by azurmen32.

[subtle bluff]

So link didn't work?

[sly pollen]

I found it now and changed it from the tabs below.

[harsh brook]

I'm looking for some clarity on this PvE build I use to run way back since I'm wanting to remake it, this time on PC. I'm not sure what changes have been made to the pieces & talents I use to run if it makes it "not gud"

[subtle bluff]

Follow what we said to go to the build hub. Standard Striker or Ongoing Directive are good starter builds.

[harsh brook]

I appreciate it but that isn't what I necessarily asked for

[toxic tree]

It's high end, with various pieces of gear from different brands...
I'd need to check in-game to see what each of those pieces gives you in attributes/stats/talents etc.

[harsh brook]

That would be wonderful, it was by far my favorite "unique" build to run. Knowing how long it took to make the first time I don't wanna waste those hours for it to be terrible

[toxic tree]

Since you're not using coyote's or some other kind of exotic to fill in a damage boost or whatever. You want to aim for high crit chance and then focus on crit damage. That's about all I can tell you right now.
Might want to go all red for extra weapon damage and play safe as a mix build like this usually needs at least some type of focus from my own experience.
Are the pieces named items specifically or just regular brand set items?

[harsh brook]

The direct talents and specific gloves from what I recall go as;

Chest - Obliterate
Backpack - Perfect Clutch (Devils Due)
AR - Strained
SMG - Optimist

Gloves were Deathgrips

[toxic tree]

Do you play solo or in groups? Strained is fine, same with optimist. Though for strained you usually go for weapons that have a lower fire rate, not sure what the fal is like from the top of my head.

I recommend Killer talent on weapons for solo play for damage. For the SMG you could try fast hands for faster reloads as that helps in pve as well. Fine as you have it there though, it's just fine-tuning and personal preference to be honest with you. I can recommend the dark winter vector smg for damage, great gun. But experiment/use what you prefer. P90s are also fun.

Obliterate is best for damage 👍 if you need more survivability go for a chest with unbreakable instead. Gives you an extra "oh shit" before you go down.

I'm not sure about Clutch, never used it myself so I can't comment on it. Could be handy in certain situations but I'd suggest unstoppable force or vigilance for damage, could use composure instead if you shoot from cover a lot. Bloodsucker for survivability but you'll need to focus on blue cores a bit more perhaps to make it really work.

Deathgrips are fun 👍

Mask might be a good idea to switch, not sure if the 1% armor regen does you any good really.

[harsh brook]

I would do a mix of both solo and group play (which it handled both really well). I believe the FAL is one of the lower ROF AR's.

Good call on the Dark Winter, I'll have to scrounge and pick it up through DZ vendors or try my luck with caches.

Clutch was the premise of the build so I could stay on top of survivability while dishing out high damage which was very competitive in regards to a standard full red build. Which is why it's a 3/3 with talents directly for damage

Mask is another great call. I'll see what some of the new gearsets give and if it's worth trading for.

That was the information I was looking for, I really appreciate it. I'll take some time and see what I can do to utilize it better

[toxic tree]

Good luck with the grind, see you out there agent.

[honest moss]

Carbine 7 might be a good option, iirc it is 700rpm and is a pretty accurate ar. Should work well with strained. Personally i would swap the bag out for a damage talent. For solo you could always do memento. Will add a little bit of everything to your build. If you do swap the bag just make sure you get another ceska piece! Paliside also offers aok at 1 piece, could be worth doing that in place of the kneepads or mask (if you keep it as is or change the bag) for extra aok, with gunner you will have 30%. Something to note is stuff like fenris ect are often lower damage increases than they seem. It is a very minor thing to consider unless you want the most optimal version to say. Coyote's is great and would let you get more CHD on your stuff because you can play around with the bonus CHC from the mid buff. Another good mask would be the tinkerer but that would take some time to get with a full build already.

[toxic tree]

Coyote is also a great buff to your team as the buff affects you and your teammates

[honest moss]

Fox's prayer would also be a good thing to slot in if you replace the kneepads, extra dttooc is always nice.

[toxic tree]

indeed, as the 5% weapon damage from the current kneepads can be improved greatly by switching them out for fox' or just messing around with the brands a little. Little switch here and there could give you that extra damage boost and/or survivability that would make the build a bit smoother overall.

[harsh brook]

Palisade for the kneepads is a great idea

[harsh brook]

Maybe I'm crazy but i found that running the walker harris kneepads offered a higher dps overall compared to fox's

[toxic tree]

It's niche, depends on builds can be helpful

[honest moss]

Obviously it depends on if the target is out of cover but typically foxs will be better

[toxic tree]

palisade should be good though, and yeah, that mask needs to go

[harsh brook]

Alright, cheers for the pointers legends. I may post what I've come up in a while

Thanks again

[honest moss]

GL Agent!

[glass gull]

Hey I'm doing Count down for a few days and I've seen some time I have buffs that I don't have normally
Are there some builds that I could use mean for team play

[magic pilot]

FI, and OD are really solid, also eclipse foam

[fervent ore]

What attribute to have on police m4??

[bright raptor]

Damage to Out of Cover

[fervent ore]

Thanks

Oh btw is m4 replica the same as m4 or a lesser version of it

[rich cosmos]

Same

[fervent ore]

Okayyy

[bold osprey]

Aimlessly farming countdowns , don’t know what to target , swapping between gun types for now, don’t know where to go

[ivory comet]

if you have no build direction, you can always try to farm out the attributes and talents for tinkering library

[bold osprey]

alright I’ll do that

[ivory comet]

Ceska CHC and CHD Chestpieces with Obliterate, Spotter, Intimidate, or Glass Cannon talents are pretty universal pieces

[bold osprey]

Any sets I should farm for raids? I’ve never done them before

[ivory comet]

Hm.. I'll leave that to the more experienced/knowledgeable folks. Strikers is the easy answer. But there are niche builds you could always get (healers and cc builds). If you haven't already, I'd start with checking out the Pins section for the Spreadsheet and going to the builds hub for what you're looking for. 🙂

I've done both raids prior to strikers so I'm a little dated.

[bold osprey]

Np thanks

[hearty timber]

is 500% skill haste the limit?

since i want to do a oxidizer spam build so i want to be able to spam it as fast as possible
i do know tag team but that have 4s CD

[stoic falcon]

Striker

[hearty timber]

(wait, im dumb that is from tranning setting)

im still missing around 75% skill haste

[subtle bluff]

Yes there's a cap. Oxi is very powerful but also very niche where it's used efficiently.

[subtle bluff]

Standard striker like the one I posted is all you need.

[pastel basin]

Control point farming with the Adrestia and wicked 😓

[rich cosmos]

So is cloak worth using, has anyone figured out how it actually works with reduced threat

[magic pilot]

Not really worth using, decoy it

[rich cosmos]

Doesn’t it effectively bump up decoys effectiveness?

[hazy steeple]

2 slots in a build to be shot marginally less.
Sounds like a bit of an awkward trade.

[rich cosmos]

I mean usually getting shot is worse than not getting shot

[hazy steeple]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you can remove the word "usually" there lol.

[red island]

threat is busted in div, if you deal enough damage, your threat meter will be si high that every npc will focus you doesnt matter if you hit them or not or if they even in range or los

thats how i know if i play with people that have hands in legendary and i can move/shoot stuff or if i have to stay behind a wall for 20s until my threat meter goes down

[worn imp]

What kind of builds use future perfect?

[silent storm]

Yeah, it's funny that the thinjg that took me so long to farm back then, specially the god rolled Baker's Dozen is now standard. @subtle bluff in Legendary as well. But where it really puts in the work is farming Heroic Checkpoints.

[subtle bluff]

Gonna be blunt with you. You don't seem need build advice move your chat to #td2-general-chat it seem more of the correct place.

[silent storm]

I chat there as well but I like reading other peoples builds and see if something looks interesting

Is the Tinkerer mask available to farm yet or is it still down?

I kind of want to try that build I posted last night with Boomerang and Rifleman

[meager fog]

Tipping scales + OD is nuts.

[red island]

there is no tipping scale ?

and its not really impressive, its ok damage

[magic pilot]

Think he means tinkerer

[magic pilot]

It's available again

[red island]

well even then, damage is mid tbh

tipping scales is def better

[silent storm]

Stage Left is basically get proficient with it then shard everyone you get from then on right?

[rich cosmos]

I was gonna say how was it mid then I noticed its with golden bullet on

[cinder wedge]

what should i go for if i am trying to farm strikers? like specs of each piece does it matter or are there certain specs for them?

like chc or chd or stuff like that?

[solar sable]

#td2-build-advice message

[silent storm]

How does this gun rank in the hierarchy exotic MMR?

[solar sable]

rank not ranked because of how trash it is

[cinder wedge]

thanks

[silent storm]

That bad huh?

Even videos of it max DMG is like 6 mil while my Baker's Dozen is hitting 12-15 mil

Just looked interesting with the scaling possibility

And with Intimidate and the extra armor I thought it might be a good build for DPS and survival

[shy willow]

Excuse you sir dread is great

Just a shame it has a forced scope

[solar sable]

shhhh he can't know

[silent storm]

Nothing wrong with forced scope

I picked up this piece and was looking for a gun to use with it and the 2 looked like they would be nice together

Keep the armor main and use the gun scaling as a weapon core

[shy willow]

Lengmo has no inherent synergy with anything other than LMGs

[silent storm]

1 PC has 20% explosive res so when they send 3 bomber drones one after another to you you have some resists and the extra armor would be nice as well

The game cheats. I'm just trying to defeat the cheats lol

[shy willow]

You would be surprised how little that will actually protect you

Like to be anywhere remotely tanky you need to invest a whole bunch in PFE and blues

Which means your damage poofs

[silent storm]

Was Proxy another one of those "one specific pieces that was bugged"? @magic pilot

[shy willow]

Yes

[silent storm]

Is this still true about Skill Efficiency?

It's like "Weapon Handling" -- it's a rolled up stat that includes that percentage of numerous skill-related things.

10% skill efficiency is:

10% skill damage

10% skill haste

10% skill status

10% repair

10% duration

10% health

It's a catch-all stat that buffs all skill related attributes

[ionic marlin]

is having 6 arm regen attributes w/o that 1% arm regen like on emperors pretty useless?

[subtle bluff]

Just look at your total armor and that amount a regen stats has. That should answer your question pretty well.

[shy willow]

Yes

[rich cosmos]

We REALLY need a balancing pass on exotics

The amount of exotics that are subpar at best is staggering

So much stuff could be much better not even including exotics just by lowering a cooldown by 5 to 10 seconds

[hazy steeple]

What, you don't think the Imperial Dynasty or Dread Edict is good?
I think I'm the first person to mention either of those two existing in 5 years.

[rich cosmos]

Imp dyn is honestly on the verge of greatness its cooldown is just so long and because of its activation range its unreliable

[obtuse crystal]

Imperial dynasty is the best randomly burning a guy is great fun

[hazy steeple]

Imp Dynasty walked, so Sanitation could set loads of people on fire.

[rich cosmos]

Ridgeways for example, all it needs is like, 5 more meters and its fantastic

[hazy steeple]

Sanitisation.
Satanisation.
one of those.

This is "advanced materials/materiels" all over again.

[solar sable]

rouge

[hazy steeple]

Give me a momento, I'll get it.

[rich cosmos]

I just think its weird so many exotics are basically forgotten about, frankly Im shocked they buffed tipping scales before release

[hazy steeple]

I'm actually kinda okay with so many being junk, it means I can justify nuking most on pickup.

[rich cosmos]

Well thats kinda why its a bad thing

[hazy steeple]

I have at least 4 copies of everything, this is very much a "vet player" issue on my part.
I would like to see a buff on the worst offenders. Would make for some interesting builds.

[rich cosmos]

Div 2 just has this problem of occasionally just releasing new stuff that you grind for but never actually use and its just bothers me

Like I want to go get birdies exotic but at the same time, I know Im never going to use it and I like being a support healer

[silent storm]

I'm just mad that I watched videos for Strega and then made this only to find out that it sucks.

I feel like it suffers from the same thing Dark Winter suffers from. The mag is too small and the bonus doesn't really make up for it.

[rich cosmos]

Dark winter sucks 🤨

Also last time I checked I thought everyone was gassing strega up when it came out

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bmOAQE-McFIdXPNgbZGceIzFfmIEWu7BLVlyMX76zG8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[magic pilot]

It's pretty strong even with the small mag, the issue is more the dmg per mag because it's so low

But with full buffs it's one of the best ARs

[hexed steppe]

this is why memento is so strong. imagine 30% skill efficiency on a dps build. shield/artificer are quite notable for this

skill efficiency, also known as Skill Buckets™

[shy willow]

Both dark winter and strega are really good tf

[hazy steeple]

Ahem.

[rich cosmos]

What?

Im not saying its bad

[hazy steeple]

Really?

Rowdy, do you need a hand with that message? You've been typing it out for 3 days now.

[silent storm]

Exactly, really good, not great. I have a Dark Winter that I have been using on Hunter's Fury with Obliterate and Perfect Unstoppable Force and honestly Dark Winter is mid for the bonus it provides. I would rather a 70% buff on a fast reload SMG than an 90% buff on Dark Winter. Give Dark winter 10 more rounds though and I will be 100% Dark Winter is the best

[rich cosmos]

…. Are you not familiar with eyebrow emoji

[hazy steeple]

No.

[rich cosmos]

Im repeating their message because of how wild it is

The joke is that its an outlandish take

[silent storm]

It's not though \

Dark Winter is lacking

[hazy steeple]

Yeah not seen that one.
It is an outlandish take for sure, DW was always "solid enough", but since the buff it's kinda stupidly good.

[silent storm]

20% CHD is nothing when reloads are over 2 seconds

I can get Killer on a fast reload SMG with 70% and the DPS over time from those fast reloads will put Dark Winter to shame with 20% CHD

[rich cosmos]

2 seconds is bad?

Dark winter slaps hard

[silent storm]

Give me an MP7 with Killer over Dark Winter anyday

[obtuse crystal]

try a tac vector 9mm instead as well

[silent storm]

same difference

Well what is the RMP on Tac Vector?

[obtuse crystal]

im pretty sure same as dark winter

[silent storm]

Still small mag though right?

Since Dark is a vector

[obtuse crystal]

39 with extended mag

[subtle bluff]

There 3 Vectors.

[silent storm]

Yeah see the MP7 has 52 with 1102 ROF

[subtle bluff]

Wtih modifiers.

[silent storm]

What 3 Vectors?

MP7 isn't a Vector

[obtuse crystal]

.45 acp vector same as dark winter and 9mm vector and the tac 9mm vector

[subtle bluff]

Again idk where you get your info from but stop trying to seem like you do.

We have a the info on paper. Stop trying to go off the top of your head or BS your way like you know.

[silent storm]

Paper is only as good as the first time you pull the trigger. Nothing is ever paper tight

[subtle bluff]

There still stats.

[silent storm]

Yeah in a perfect world with perfect accuracy and perfect distance and no chance of being hit paper will always triumph over real world scenerios

[subtle bluff]

In IRL sure but this is game.

[silent storm]

So you cheat then

[subtle bluff]

When did I say I did anything? You like assuming stuff.

[silent storm]

Because enemies dodge roll and superman sprint away or towards me or just do some crazy breakdance move while I am in their face that makes me move my mouse like a mad man trying to hit their head

[subtle bluff]

Rather a wild accusation calling someone a cheater without actually seeing any of their gameplay.

[silent storm]

If you think that paper is end all be all for this game then you must be running some program that allows you to achieve that outcome

[subtle bluff]

You're just saying random stuff again. Have fun talking to yourself.

[silent storm]

no I'm not, you are ignoring everything I just said

Enemies in this game do crazy stuff and when they do you aren't getting that paper DPS unless you are cheating it

[rich cosmos]

Just say “i like mp7 more” and be done with it

[subtle bluff]

Last thing I'll say. I only stats facts and numbers. Did not say anything else.

[silent storm]

And everyone has been shooting at an enemy that has knelt down then popped right back up in an instant or dodge rolled in like 5 directions at once and then naruto ran to cover like the flash and if you are telling me you hit them with every bullet I know you are cheating

[rich cosmos]

???

Its not that hard to land your shots

Dark winter is objectively a better gun, you don’t need to like it and thats fine, but it is

[silent storm]

Subjective, but Dark Winter is mid as an SMG

Give it 10 rounds and it is top tier

[obtuse crystal]

no its one of the best smgs in the game in terms of dps

[silent storm]

On paper

[rich cosmos]

If 10 more rounds is whats stopping it from going from mid to top tier that seems way more like opinion

[solar sable]

This is the precise example of:
"If I can't do it, no one can and I will call them cheaters".

[silent storm]

No it isn't because noone has 100% accuracy, if you do you are cheating

[solar sable]

90% accuracy is humanly possible

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's pretty simple. Get into a position where you can shoot them. Just like in IRL tactics.

[shy willow]

If accuracy is the problem then you can apply the same criticism to like any gun

[silent storm]

if that was the case then why are their always casualties on both sides of war?

[shy willow]

Every gun is trash because I can't hit my shots like whaaa

[silent storm]

Are you saying that everyone is stupid except you?

[subtle bluff]

Where did you get war from?

[rich cosmos]

I wish lexington had a unique talent and not more damage

[subtle bluff]

Like where and why are you taking stuff out of context.

[shy willow]

Unfortunately this is the world we live in

[rich cosmos]

Also lvoa exotic when, did the devs forget they have a normal lvoa

[silent storm]

You are the one that brought IRL tactics into it

You ever even served?

[shy willow]

The last exotic rifle they did was complete garbage 😭

[rich cosmos]

tru

[shy willow]

They'd have to cook pretty hard

[solar sable]

is this the one and only LVOA Lover?

[shy willow]

Div 1 nostalgia

[rich cosmos]

Its an old concept but I still think a rifle that deploys a charge from your equipped hive without using a charge up on consecutive hits would be cool

[shy willow]

Plz no more spaghetti code

[rich cosmos]

Also tru

[shy willow]

Though I do appreciate exotics that try to be at least unique

Rather than just blowing up your stats

[subtle bluff]

No. But I worked and trained with SF's and PD's.
Again taking stuff out of context. Don't know why it matters here.

[silent storm]

@subtle bluff I'll just leave you with this quote form Mike Tyson, "Everyone has a plans until they get hit for the first time"

[rich cosmos]

My ps and xbox accounts both have lvoa-c in the name and its the one gun I just outright do not take off my loadout ever, I always have at least a lvoa in my loadout

[subtle bluff]

If you want to summary of what you've said in and out of context I can quote it for you and see where you're trying to go to.

[shy willow]

Now all you need is the real thing

[silent storm]

Well you said that you can just pick and choose all engagements like your paper DPS is going to be on top all the time because you have 100% accuracy and always hit the head

[subtle bluff]

Quote me where did I say that?

[shy willow]

The thing is it is practically and mathematically better than most smgs

Certainly better than the mp7 that thing is pretty mid now

[silent storm]

And I feel like extra rounds are better

[shy willow]

Only real criticism from me is it eats ammo but there's a trillion crates in every level anyway

[silent storm]

In mag that is

[solar sable]

real buffs are in rpm and base dmg, not mag size

[shy willow]

Feel all you want but the damage output is still lower😭

[subtle bluff]

At that poin then SMG9 should "better" for you.

[silent storm]

Dark Winter forces you to play conservative because of mag size

[subtle bluff]

since it has more ammo.

[shy willow]

Burst is generally a more important metric than sustained dps

[silent storm]

MP7 with Killer is better than Dark Winter in real clearing situations

The problem is the burst isn't big enough

Not enough to excuse a longer reload

[subtle bluff]

Also wait a sec. MP7 is 40rd mag.

Where did the magical 10 extra come from?

You cannot mod the MP7 mag slot.

[silent storm]

I'll tell you wat you don't even need the 10 rounds for Dark Winter just drop .5 sec of the reload

[subtle bluff]

MP7 is 0.21 slow at reloading too.

[silent storm]

My MP7 has 52 rounds and 1102 RPM

[subtle bluff]

Modifiers and Build.

[solar sable]

drop the modifiers and I want to see you struggling

[shy willow]

Oh yeah

[subtle bluff]

Also the reload is different I forgot that updated it the TU afterwards.

The poor MP7 didn't deserve this nerf.

[rich cosmos]

Semi related, I hate proficiency, I hate it so much, it allows bad builds to work just because someone nonstop grinded out for 30% extra damage on their gun

[subtle bluff]

iirc he said he doesn't do heroics all the time.

[shy willow]

Tbh I don't think expertise is gonna make or break a build but it does make good ones hit harder

[solar sable]

ye, I agree

[solar sable]

oh f... off I'm out of this

[silent storm]

Who doesn't do Heroics?

[rich cosmos]

Highest Im going with it is 5% and its just because I often don’t max every stat out as long as its close enough to what I need

[solar sable]

Hopefully they won't turn into a youtuber with videos titled: "META Legendary build!" and have a showcase background video on Heroic/Challenging missions.

[solar sable]

I know a few 10 or 12 youtubers with those specs

[silent storm]

I live in Heroic and Legendary

[solar sable]

Try solo legendary Zoo then

[silent storm]

Solo Zoo? ok

[solar sable]

with an all red build, no blues nor shield.

[silent storm]

I have done it before

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't matter at that rate.

[solar sable]

what the hell is this? 😭

[silent storm]

I haven't even used my D3 build since I came back a month ago

[subtle bluff]

Like I'm a cheater supposedly?

[shy willow]

God mode ultra broken backfire 6 yellow umbra meta

[solar sable]

theres a little bit of build in your ninjabike

[silent storm]

Zoo with all red build. Got it. I think my Baker's Dozen can get it done

[rich cosmos]

Umbra damage stacks should be usable while shooting so that you don’t have to keep getting off cover

[subtle bluff]

Let's see it.

[silent storm]

Been awhile since I did that let me practice it

[wintry mirage]

Should I farm Summit for my Future Initation Gear? (recently hit 40)

[solar sable]

I'm sorry but this conversation feels like talking to people who praise Lars Ulrich in his current drumming state.

[wintry mirage]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

Use where I pointed to use. Then go FI.

[wintry mirage]

Should I do striker for farming first or FI?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers. It's just good to get your core farming/DPS build then FI. FI is really easy to farm.
For the rest of the guides go to Pinned Message > GDoc Sheet > Build Hub.

[wintry mirage]

Thanks.

[silent storm]

All red no shield maybe I'll try out this there #td2-build-advice message

Intimidate Chest and Perfect Unstopable force

[hazy steeple]

@silent storm The idea of an "all red" build isn't that you are trying to create as much artificial armour as you can, it's that your goal is to kill stuff faster than it can kill you, ideally when it's in a spawn-door.

So slapping 2 armour talents on to an all-red build is just nuking out the damage.

[rich cosmos]

Are there any builds that use the sticky launcher?

[subtle bluff]

EP Burn

[hazy steeple]

Eclipse status, I like to throw an EMP sticky on my striker as the latter skill, since BT.

It's not like I need a reviver hive.

[subtle bluff]

That too

[rich cosmos]

Anything else that isn’t ep?

[subtle bluff]

Not really.

[hazy steeple]

EMP sticky is good on just any "damage" build if you're fighting lots of proxies/dogs.
I do prefer Jammer Pulse, but Banshee often takes up that slot.

[rich cosmos]

Maybe Ill just throw it on my striker build then since I already use a pulse

[hazy steeple]

It must be said, I know it's a relatively small increase, but having EXP 30 on Jammer Pulse feels like you could hit Tidal Basin from the BoO.

[subtle bluff]

Like Riven said I’ve used it for oh shit moments.

[hazy steeple]

Using EMP sticky with the "fire it, let it sit, then explode when it's optimal/almost out" will massively (heh) increase its usage.

I actually really enjoy Airburst Seeker as well, that thing never gets any play.

[silent storm]

Intimidate ramps higher though than negative modifier straight damage boosts

And with a Perfect Unstoppable Force Backbone I feel it would be massive DMG

Just need to clear the low HP mobs first so that when you are hitting the tops you have a massive boost to DMG

Change this to red core #td2-build-advice message

And I already have this piece just need to optimize it

Or I can farm a Hunter-Killer with red mods. I mean it can't take that long to get one

[meager fog]

The other person is using Tipping Scales. Not my damage I'm bothered about

[undone tartan]

looking for advice on what would be the best bighorn pvp build

[subtle bluff]

There isn’t a “Best” but there are generic build for it. Search for a PvP guide here or in #td2-pvp-discussions

[subtle bluff]

These modifier burn thru ammo like no other.

[bright raptor]

Hunter Killer only drops once from the chest you get from killing all Lower Manhattan Hunters, so it can in fact take that long as you are at the mercy of the weekly rolls on Cassie's stock

Unstoppable Force also does not generate any bonus armor so you have no actual way to trigger Intimidate regardless

[subtle bluff]

Let him cook 😄

[meager fog]

That's why OD 🤣 unlimited ammo

[subtle bluff]

Fair

[gloomy spruce]

I farm it by crafting it!
Otherwise, yeah like you said - you'd be waiting for months if not a year or 2.

Crafting in Div 2 - Is RNG telling you to give up on farming, then tell it to drop dead with crafting!

I to this day wish the blueprint for the ceska chest was available. 🙁

[gloomy spruce]

I joke quite a bit on this discord, but I am going to state this sincerely:

The game has changed a lot in the past 5 years. Baker's dozen or the classic m1a are no longer the crucial weapon from season 1 post wony. The devs have done multiple gun reworks and balance changes. A determined 1886 with a chain killer chest piece and hunter's fury rolled for headshot damage with a high damage shotgun rolled with brazen(my suggestion would be the thorn) is your best shot to do this mission.

I personally have not solo'd zoo because I lack the patience for this endeavor. That build is the very least of what you might need to clear a good portion of it. Also if you haven't done so, get a red striker build with a st elmos, a ceska obliterate chest piece and a pair of exodus gloves for several other parts.

Watch dien.aka.kim or rotorblitz before you do this. They are not cheaters. The meta and gear changed a lot in the last 5 years. Otherwise, you are going to have an extremely frustrating time with this suicide mission.

[fervent ore]

How is scorpio as a secondary?? Thinking of pairing it with police m4

[gloomy spruce]

As always, it depends on the build and the content. It can work. More detail is needed from you tho.

[fervent ore]

Ahh okay so i am using the 4 piece striker, coyote mask and grupo with obliteration

for general use

[gentle lichen]

It's a good cc backup

[hallow arch]

I think I found a work around for my Mantis build

My only problem with the build is that I don't have the decoy ability, which amplifies mantis' talent

The solution is a named kneepads that I got from countdown with a maxed out "reduced threat" stat

[fervent ore]

Yess feels very useful in certain situations and also gives 20% dmg buff after 9 shots too

[red island]

do we have a slug shotgun ? or are they all pellets ?

[gentle lichen]

nah only slug shotgun is medved from div 1

[red island]

rip

[silent storm]

Dread Edict would be the armor producer.

[shy willow]

Dread is far too inconsistent to be relying on for intim proc compared to something like ad rush

You have to basically constantly be shooting and hitting shots to keep up the temp armour

[dawn perch]

hot take (likely a bad take): In some (limted) situations Rugged gloves >>> Momento

[rich cosmos]

Okay but memento is better in the other 90%

[magic pilot]

There's no situation for rugged gauntlets

Also momento is not a comparable item

[dawn perch]

part of my frustration is that momento had not helped aganist getting shot to shit by snipers and everything in the room to point where I want to use rugged guantlet at that point.

[rich cosmos]

I mean, you could just not stay out of cover as long too

[dawn perch]

that why i would rather take rugged guanlets to shoot from cover at this point. in the situation i found myself in. (being emped, when i pop my head up i just get shot to shit). Also summit is pissing me off

[rich cosmos]

You are sacrificing a lot just to stay in cover

[dawn perch]

and dying while out of it? a rock and hard place

[onyx sage]

you could probably have done some things to avoid getting stuck in short cover, like instead using tall cover and being actually able to peek

[dawn perch]

in that case, I had the entire room have angle on my position. Plus I was emped and no tall cover to peak from. Just short cover there. starting over on summit just SUCKS.

In this senario, momento is a gray backpack

[dawn perch]

also what do you mean by sacrificing a lot

[magic pilot]

Have you tried memento?

[bright raptor]

Throw a grenade at the sniper to flush them out if they aren't a Riker

[dawn perch]

i have actually and serveral of them. I just get murdered over and over again with it

[dawn perch]

My experience with this: It is a really good "win more" exotic. If you are killing a lot and collecting trophies, you just snowball more and more. But if you are pinned down or are behind in some way or can't get a kill, it will not help you in that situation to the point where even ninjaback pack will be better than momento in THAT instance.

[rich cosmos]

Do you think it may be a skill issue

[dawn perch]

I already mention i HAVE a skill issue

[dawn perch]

it also why I am kind of looking for a good immortal build right now

[hexed steppe]

That's a skill issue, not an equipment issue

[dawn perch]

g what hell am I suppose to do my friend? i know i have a skill issue. There no 100 step plan to make that right

[hexed steppe]

Use cover, use revive hive, use maybe a cc type skill like emp sticky or banshee (gunner) pulse.
Lower difficulty till you can walk through a mission then work up incrementally after that.

Once you get the stay alive experience you will then be able to add glass (build dependant)

[dawn perch]

i have done all of that, although the situation I was referring to i was emped. Challenging below are already where I cannot die unless i really try. Heroic, I have done missions without dying but the issue occur if I make one misstep. I just get punished (with a red build). If emps did not exist I would love to use my skill build honestly. Red builds are Infinitely more painful to play for me. But you brought up a good point. Including even more cc in the build.

[hexed steppe]

Personally i like using the emp sticky specifically to stagger npcs that are too close or hiding in cover.
I also been using bluescreen a lot and it also has a cc aspect to its talent
What build are you using? If recently posted a msg link is fine

[meager fog]

I mean, if all red is painful for you just add some blue until you're comfortable.

Full red is the optimal way, but not the only way. Adding a couple of blue cores has the added bonus of making a shield more viable to use (using Memento instantly gives you +2 shield tiers, and a blue core on a strikers piece will make it alot stronger.)

[dawn perch]

currently I think i using tipping the scale with lmg which does make it very difficult to actually do a shield build.

[bold osprey]

What handgun gives +1 skill tier and how do I get it

[dawn perch]

it is named kard that give you +1 skill tier IF YOU ARE HOLDING IT. It does not work if it is in hositer

[magic pilot]

You should really checkout the guide

[dawn perch]

what "guide"

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gvv20WAX-qDLNqLj8qQCQjBbQxjz4A0OrzBBYL3hRoc/edit?usp=drivesdk

Tipping scales chest is not worth running

[dawn perch]

also doesn't pestiltence fire too fast to maintain the stacks or am I just using that gun wrong?

@bold osprey it is also completely not necessary for that build

[red island]

whats the bis for pestilence ? i already forgor

[magic pilot]

No it works fine, chow runs it with vigi backpack and glass chest

[magic pilot]

For tick or overall dps?

[red island]

whats the diufference between both ?

[magic pilot]

Ones striker one isn't

[dawn perch]

why does bloody knuckles get used for this?

[shy willow]

Where does bloody knuckles come into this

They're only really used for boss burns but they're realllyy good for those

[bright raptor]

it's in the Google Doc on Tipping Scales linked

so yeah, boss burns or damage bonus from hitting enemies that rarely try to get out of the way of grenades like chungas

[magic pilot]

It's not bloody knuckles in the guide

It's listed as an option but the pictures have contractors

Bloody knuckles is one of the best pieces for boss burns if you aren't gonna do a DCH shot

[bold osprey]

Bet

[worn imp]

Can Lady Death hunters fury be good?

[bright raptor]

On Hard and Challenging it's pretty good for speedrunning "indoors" missions

Heroic HP scaling makes it harder to get kills in one mag

[worn imp]

What are the best weapons swap builds?

[red island]

Anything with centurion scabard

[worn imp]

Is there any Legendary viable build for lady death?

[onyx sage]

it would have to fall from the sky

[meager fog]

If you swap lady death out for something else, yes

[hexed steppe]

I use something similar to this. Are you hitting close to chc cap (60% chance)?
This is pretty important since tipping scales stacks chd.
I personally use glass, but an obliterate ceska chest would be good. If you have overdogs they can be a game changer .
I wouldn't use contractors with memento. I would do ceska regardless if it was chest like suggested or another piece

[worn imp]

I feel like this channel is full of nihilists for some reason. not judging lol.

[loud pine]

poor guy he just wants to use lady death but it is absolute cheeks

[red island]

Lady death is prob one of the worst gun for legandary lol it's passive is def working against everything you do

[hexed steppe]

Emp sticky can be used in a unique way with bluescreen.
You can trigger bs stackes anytime you use a skill.. with emp if you dont hit an object or you hit a teamate it goes into short cooldown instead of 27ish second cooldown, but it still counts as skill use... so you can trigger status from bluescreen every 3ish seconds this way @dawn perch

[red island]

Nihilism is not the word you're looking for

[worn imp]

Most builds in this game dont feel like they change how you play around them. Thats really what im looking for, some interesting talents and stuff that make you play differently and is still viable for some of the harder content.

[hexed steppe]

Use negotiators dilemma

[worn imp]

shit like chatterbox, diamondback critmaxing with nego dilemma, etc

[hexed steppe]

Add overdogs

[onyx sage]

i mean no one's telling you to not use lady death, feel free to try

[red island]

Just say you want to play something else lol, also try mortar build

[worn imp]

already spent hours upon hours running mortar

[onyx sage]

you probably don't know how much time we spend playing legendary to know if stuff works or not

[hexed steppe]

Average players dont use lady death

[red island]

Then play Lady death in leggo and then come back tell us how it went

[onyx sage]

like if you want to prove us wrong, please prove us wrong, you'd be doing all of us a favor

[red island]

Id love to be proven wrong

Being always right is a curse

[hexed steppe]

Making a case is one of the biggest factors in changing meta 💯

[hexed steppe]

Not hard

😂

[red island]

Shush u

Just play along

[meager fog]

If anything in here is the exact opposite of nihilism.

What you're getting is the true knowledge that Lady Death is actively ass in Legendary

[worn imp]

Im not dying on any hill here man, I was convinced on the first reply. Just cause i dont reply doesnt mean Im stubborn lol

[coral reef]

Brother I main Lady Death on all heroic content solo, I love that damn gun. In groups or harder than Heroic content... it just falls off with any build i've tried it with

[meager fog]

I didn't think that, I was just responding to the nihilism comment lol (although I did tag the wrong one)

The great thing about Div2, and pretty much all games as old as this one, is that all the hard work is already done for you. There are countless resources in the pins to check and see what others have already tested rigorously.

That's not to say you can't try new things or play around with builds to suit your own playstyle.

[onyx sage]

i have challenged more than a few misconceptions in this game too. but there are things that are hard limitations that are basically out of the realm of possibility or too unlikely to make use of

[red island]

And so much stuff in game is just a gimmick, not really usable

Like that sniper that set people on fire, when you have fire skills or iron lung, who need that

That's sad cause most of content is made with best dps items in mind, but most items arent made with content in mind

[meager fog]

In any game where killing is the objective, DPS will always be king. Staying alive has no purpose when dead enemies can't hit you.

[red island]

the bee gees would say otherwise

[meager fog]

I mean...they wouldn't. 4 of them are dead.

[pale fjord]

does anyone have a build for LMG's for a solo player, I used my boost and I'm just getting instantly shut down if I peak for just a split second too long or I get pushed.

I was running technician, but this game has changed so much since I last played..you know not that long ago (the first few months of launch of the base game) :^)

[meager fog]

Pins have plenty of builds in the spreadsheet for you to go at

[red island]

lmg have several builds, but from what u say it seems not like you lack damage but how to dodge enemy's dps

which is mostly a mecanics issue not build

[pale fjord]

I didn't think to check that, my bad, thank you.

[pale fjord]

Yeah, I'll definitely be giving the pinned builds a look.

[hexed steppe]

This is what I been running a lot.
Negotiators dilemma guide has this as a variant.
You can use obliterate chest talent instead of glass tho if still getting a handle on things.
You can use tipping scales pieces in the same configuration and itll also perform well.
Ongoing directive and striker also would work well

Nego is 😍 tho. Nothing like killing 3 npc at the same time

Well....

Unless its with a mortar

[vivid axle]

before i hunt down a ceska GC chest does it beat this(ceska oblit)

[subtle bluff]

Nothing like firing into a whole squad and not caring what you're target and everything just falls over.

[subtle bluff]

Here's the thought process. How long does it take for to get to max stacks?
Then are you able to keep it up in combat the whole time?

Ceska w/Obliterate or GC will allow you do more DPS faster first having to stack just one stack.

[vivid axle]

im kinda on the GC wave i dont think oblit is that good and everything is just dying anyway too fast for the negative of gc to matter

im also using tinker obv which at least for me is infintely better than stupid gloves

[subtle bluff]

ok?

[hexed steppe]

Yes. Its an amp that won't be additive to other twd sources, 5% more even if you only have a single twd source, and also no ramp up for glass so all shots see the highest possible damage.

[vivid axle]

convinced me ty\

[vivid axle]

shut up dork it was a question

[subtle bluff]

"stupid gloves" kind lost on that..

[red island]

gc will have way more damage upfront but will also make you so much squichier, thats depending what you prefer

[vivid axle]

i dont like the gloves because you have to pay attention. thats why i said infinitely better FOR ME

[subtle bluff]

what gloves...

[red island]

overdogs i think

[hexed steppe]

Really, what gloves

[subtle bluff]

I want my spinning kirby react here.

[hazy steeple]

Chill.

[solar sable]

are the gloves in the room with us

[hexed steppe]

Overdogs like a 30%amp. Wtf is there not to love about that

[red island]

his mind apparently

[vivid axle]

what other gloves are people using with tipping scales like be fr

[vivid axle]

hey mod can you do something about this user calling my mind bad

[hazy steeple]

@vivid axle We can see your filtered message.
You need to take a chill for a while, or we're going to have to take action.

[solar sable]

I just re-read the whole convo and never saw TS mentioned

[hazy steeple]

Lyfe, stop calling their mind bad.

[vivid axle]

did you not see the clip i posted

[red island]

i didnt ?

[hexed steppe]

Its a choice ig. I know on nego, those things are unmatched. In my mind anyways.
Extra 30% amp to the low rank transfers to any other mark regardless of them being high rank or not

[subtle bluff]

Contractors Glove, Exodus Gloves, Eagles Grasp etc etc.

[red island]

i said his mind didnt love the gloves

[vivid axle]

i would like to see a single person using either of the latter two using those as a serious build

[hexed steppe]

Exodus is used a lot

[red island]

hi, may i present you my loadout collection

[solar sable]

people like to have fun yk

[subtle bluff]

I use them for speedruns and leggo runs.

[red island]

i even use nbb

[vivid axle]

sorry, I said SERIOUS build not whatever nonsens

[red island]

cause im an average player ofc

[solar sable]

nbb isn't fun, shush lol

[hexed steppe]

Lmao

[vivid axle]

nbb is the only worthwhile exotic bag

[red island]

😈

[subtle bluff]

But also I'd like to see someone use this.

[solar sable]

okay I'm out of this, you guys stay

[red island]

i use them seriously tho, i dont know why you are all worked up about it

i cleared whole brooklyn with them

[hazy steeple]

They won't respond for a while, let's let this conversation end here.

[subtle bluff]

Ok.. Again.. I've used all of those in Speedruns.

[red island]

on another note, for the people who tried tipping scale, whats you're final thoughts ?

i tried it a bit, but really it didnt stick with me when playing striker for so long

[subtle bluff]

It's kind of the same idea with me and nego bluescreen. The more ads and HP they the more I can stack up and keep the stacks up.

[red island]

yeah but tipping stacks dont need to hit shots, thats my main issue

it doesnt reward good aim

[subtle bluff]

Eh.. Not really thinking of that when I'm doing leggo with it.

[red island]

didnt try leggo with it yet, maybe i should give it a chance

[hexed steppe]

-# duct tape mode activated

[hazy steeple]

||silence is golden, duct-tape is silver.||

[hexed steppe]

😂

[subtle bluff]

fair

[meager fog]

What did I do? 😭

[worn imp]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t8scmBL7foH9QqFCs5t70xHZqul05ZMQ8Q0cXPosRhw/edit?tab=t.0

Why does this build not want headhunter?

[hazy steeple]

@worn imp

[worn imp]

yeah but why not spec into both crit and HSD?

[hazy steeple]

I'm going to assume there's an interaction between ND and HH, maybe the hits on others reset it.
No idea, not a fan of ND.

[meager fog]

Because theyre additive to each other

[worn imp]

yeah i know but more damage still right?

hows it not better than running handling as the build recommends?

[meager fog]

DB is crit based, but no its not more damage. Crit damage applies everywhere, HSD doesn't

[worn imp]

what is DB?

diamondback?

[meager fog]

^

[worn imp]

but like if i only hit heads anyway (which i pretty much do), why not just run HSD instead of handling?

wait im slightly dumb. theres only 1 piece in this build than can have both HSD and CHD

[meager fog]

Because thats not going to happen, period

No matter how good you are, you arent hitting all headshots with a rifle. They handle horribly

[worn imp]

beg to differ, diamondback handles really nicely

[meager fog]

Beg to differ, because facts.

[worn imp]

Diamondback handles really well. "period"

[hazy steeple]

Just a general heads up: "handling" is an actual stat in div2, not just a term for how a gun works.
1% in "weapon handling" is 1% in each stability/accuracy/reload/swap-speed".

[worn imp]

ye am aware, appreciate the gesture regardless

[light grove]

Frankly if you’re already guaranteed critical hits via Diamondback’s perk, why waste slots on headshot damage?

[worn imp]

again i forgor we were using mostly green gear 💀

[hazy steeple]

I'm kinda torn between base crit chance for the build up, or just using the other stat for extra Weapon Handling rolls.

yeah actually now that I think about it, 2x chc rolls is not going to be a big boost. Unless there's a recommended limit for CHD rolls in that build?

[worn imp]

nah there isnt

its all about critmaxing the dmg

[hazy steeple]

Sorry, I just can't take anyone seriously who uses the "maxing" thing.
It makes me think of people who use to use "awesome sauce".

see also "legendary".

[silent storm]

What's wrong with awesomesauce? I put that shit on everything

[hazy steeple]

I can tell.

[light grove]

Awesome sauce….

[versed summit]

This is so epic

[red island]

you want crit damage and handling cause diamondback handling is one of the worst in the game, if you can hit heads reliably its good, but since its wont increase much the damage, handling stats are better overall for better reload, aim, drift, etc, you can get headshot damage instead of handling but the damage is additive with crit not multiplicative so its def not great

anyone with edit permission for the spreadsheet, the overdogs gloves talent description is a copy paste of the shroud, its the other way around

[versed summit]

Noted. Ty

[hexed steppe]

nego is crit based, and its talent revolves around transferring... basically multiplying your dps. diamond back guaranteed crits... 1 shot builds wont take advantage of nego and are better off just being hotshot, aces, or highend...
more than welcome to try hh on nego, but youre way better off with glass.

[onyx sage]

overdogs description fixed, but shroud description is correct

[red island]

yeah i meant its twice the same description, while overdog is the same but reversed

[onyx sage]

ye

[red island]

anyway words are complicated and im lacking sleep

[hexed steppe]

you spelled skills wrong

[red island]

I dont need skills to kick your ass in the dz local imma find u and make you wish Joe ferro found you instead 😡

[hexed steppe]

😂

whats "dz"?

undiscovered places?

GL noob

[red island]

I can still join Hunters and kick your ass next encounter

Mortar turret wont save u once its hacked

[hexed steppe]

gotta find it to hack it

[red island]

No need to find it, it's aoe

[hexed steppe]

let me know when you do

[red island]

Youll know about when isac says high treath enemy detected

Fk Phones autocorrect btw

[hexed steppe]

-# lyfe enters the arena with their hunter buddies
-# local swaps to hazpro goo
let me know how paralysis feels

[red island]

U think u the only one with haz pro ?

[hexed steppe]

yes

[red island]

I got an axe to grind, you look like target practice

But not today I gotta sleep

Sweet Dreams is a shotgun

[hexed steppe]

yeah you sound tired 👴

[red island]

I am, all the time, isnt that how life is supposed to be ?

[hexed steppe]

yes

[gloomy spruce]

Bruh Exodus plus strikers is amazing! Eagle's grasp with a second piece of zoo on a HH build is incredible. The reload speed on the 1886 can drop to around 2 seconds and the damage on the thing is monsterous.

Exodus plus striker is like combining nomad and striker from div 1.

You have a get out of death free card every 45 seconds. If you throw in a reviver, you are extremely difficult to kill.

[rich cosmos]

Nimble is also great

[gloomy spruce]

I know someone who loves it. I just enjoy the exodus gloves, tinkerer, or other exotics more.

[strong cave]

This guy knows what's good 👀

Nimble on top 💯

[versed summit]

Nimble my love

[gloomy spruce]

You were the someone that I was thinking of who loves the Nimble!

I just did not want to expose you if it embarassed you.

[onyx sage]

time to execute order 66.

[shy willow]

Nimble seems pretty great but I just cant take the exodus gloves off

[hazy steeple]

I'm impressed by these new Exotics, but I look at them and go "nice, but it's not Tink".

[rich cosmos]

Tinkerer is really boring

Like, it really just feels bland to use

[hazy steeple]

That's just like, your opinion, man.

counter-point: tink lets me actually rely on gun talents for once, rather than gearset overuse.

[hallow arch]

Got any Eclipse Protocal builds? I think the one in the build hub may be a bit outdated

[fiery gust]

I mean, you could literally say the same thing about every single item/talent/skill in the game. That is, they're boring or bland.

It's all what you make of it. To each their own.

[obtuse crystal]

For burn or foam do you wanna make it for?

[hallow arch]

Honestly not too sure atm, both are great options and I'm cursed with indecisiveness 😭

[obtuse crystal]

Also just looked doesn’t seem outdated to me

[hallow arch]

Really? It's probably 'cus it's Y6 lol mb

[obtuse crystal]

Just haven’t needed a update

[hallow arch]

Ahhh, good to know

[hallow arch]

What gear mods should I put on Eclipse protocol?

[subtle bluff]

Skill Haste or PFE

[meager fog]

I like using preservation with it. Makes even a red build hard to kill when you're healing 20-30% armour every kill lol

Skill haste is more useful in more situations

[hallow arch]

Ah I see

Fair enough

[subtle bluff]

This is actually not a bad idea.

[meager fog]

It works really well

[subtle bluff]

It was something we use to suggest when players were having issues with all red

[fervent ore]

How much cc and cd u need for shroud build? As i see everyone just go with weapon dmg and headshot dmg

Also what weapon u pair shroud with

[subtle bluff]

CHC/CHD Zero it's all HSD.

Search this channel for "Hotshot" with image you should the build

[fervent ore]

Okayyyy

[meager fog]

Having it as a passive with tinkerer means you also lose out less on damage as you can still use a DPS talent too

[subtle bluff]

This was before Palisade now that's what we suggest now.

[deft scaffold]

what build can you guys recommend for beginner

[subtle bluff]

Strikers! You lvl 40 already?

[deft scaffold]

Lvl 5

[subtle bluff]

Your build doesn't matter till your 40 anyways.

Just get to the campaign till your 40

Once your there you can find guides for starting out in the build hub in the pinned messages.

[deft scaffold]

Oh alright thank you

[wraith zealot]

is there a build where pointman get used?

[red island]

any tank build can use pointman

[glad heart]

Yeah, it is a Haz Pro/ Regen tank, that is used for the fight in the Iron Horse raid. Other than that, tanks are pretty meh for general use. https://lite.evernote.com/note/a5cc1f3a-c1af-4063-abc8-a78c2702f04a

[hallow arch]

Best builds with Memento?

[glad heart]

Best is a relative term, however, two that come to mind are Striker and Hunter's Fury. Striker: Memento and Ceska Obliterate chest. Hunter's Fury would use intimidate, or Headhunter chest depending

[hallow arch]

Ah right right, forgot the whole "it depends on the build" thing

[barren moss]

shroud amp damage makes up for using hf... right ||yes it does actually so if you want a stupid hybrid chainkiller this might be the best way to do it ||

[hallow arch]

Need help with HF, I tried using the guide in the Build hub as reference but I don't have firewall yet

[meager fog]

Chameleon + HF is a massive no no

[hallow arch]

yeah I kinda just left it there 'cus I saw it in the common primaries in the guide and I was like "there's no way it's actually viable for HF"

[meager fog]

To the question of "CAN it work?" The answer is almost always yes.

However, the question you should always ask is: "Is it VIABLE?" To which the answer would be no

[hallow arch]

yeahh fair enough

that aside, what do I do?

[meager fog]

Well It appears you're setting up for Crit right?

And you want to use SMG? Shotgun

And since you're using Memento I would switch the chest talent to Intimidate, since Memento should keep your bonus armour up

[hallow arch]

yeaaah but I suck at maintaining that bonus armor

[meager fog]

OK, so you can combine it with Adrenaline rush Grupo backpack if you want, which gives bonus armour just for being close to enemies

[hallow arch]

SMG most likely, I tried doing scorpio and a measured smg but constantly swapping between them is a hassle

[hallow arch]

that...works

[meager fog]

If you're using exclusively SMGS, I would say swap the Chest and BP for 2pc Soklov

So you want Soklov Chest + Intimidate and Soklov BP + Adrenaline Rush

Then I would recommend using an SMG-9 with Killer

[hallow arch]

what makes it different than other smgs with the same talent?

[meager fog]

Burst damage. SMG-9 is one of the highest

[coral reef]

Its hard for me to keep Intimidate up when the whole point of HF is partying in the danger zone at all times, that 30% armor per enemy killed (with gunner) invites to take risks

[meager fog]

HF isn't for the faint of heart, but it's one of the most rewarding builds for high risk play

[hallow arch]

true, I would try to stay in cover but that would defeat the purpose of HF lmao

[coral reef]

I will again recommend the absolute best* build for solo play in the entre game.

You can even play with your fave smg

[hallow arch]

I still don't have lady death 😭

[coral reef]

Just use whatever smg with the highest fire rate you can find and killer

[hallow arch]

I see I see

@meager fog sooo basically

SMG-9/Lady Death, another smg
4 piece HF, 2 piece sokolov intimidate and adrenaline rush (or obliterate and then memento idk atp)

[coral reef]

And remember to be as close as possible to 60% chc, rest goes to chd

[meager fog]

^ 60% CHC is really easy to get with SMGs.

You have 21% on your gun anyway and another 15% available (on most) from mods.

So you only need to find 24% on gear.

Always forget to mention the watch

So you innately should have 46% Crit chance without ANY on gear

[hallow arch]

WOW that much?

I thought it'd be like, 10-15% or smth

[meager fog]

All SMGs have 21% as a secondary attribute.

Maxed SHD Watch gives 10% CHC

So you're at 31% without touching anything else

[hallow arch]

God damn

Atp with my inability to make decent builds I might just ask ChatGPT to make them for me 💀

[meager fog]

I'm convinced that ChatGPT is the reason NinjaBike Backpack exists

[fervent ore]

For solo it’s killer to have on police m4 for group play which is better to have strained or optimist??

[meager fog]

Depends on the build.

If you're playing Strikers. Stay with killer. You're the one doing the most damage, picking up kills should be a breeze

[fervent ore]

Yeah i am using striker

[subtle bluff]

Group play just throw on Elmo.

[dull veldt]

Are the overdogs gloves in the loot pool once you get the recralibration blueprint?

[meager fog]

Once you get an Exotiuc from the season pass it enters the loot pool

[light dome]

whats a good pvp build?

[gentle lichen]

You can try a bighorn regen it's in the spreadsheet that's pinned in this channel

[meager fog]

One where you ignore PVP because its full of cheaters and a massive waste of time.

[dry quail]

no, not anymore.

[tame shore]

Anyone got a tank build for scorpio or any you recommend (PC) thinkin of changing my build

[subtle bluff]

Since I know you. What are you trying do with the tank build?

[tame shore]

if possible receive aggro

[dry quail]

the one doing most dmg recive the aggro