td2-build-advice

[silent storm]

So what he is saying is basically how I understood it, granted it's a video game that I just came back to after a year and a half leave.

[red island]

what did you understand ?

[silent storm]

What he is saying

[red island]

i wont watch 15min of a random youtube video man

[silent storm]

I mainly just watched Skill Up back then so

[magic pilot]

Yea I'm not watching all that

[red island]

from 3 years ago with 200 views

[silent storm]

That is what the google machine gave me with the pic you posted lol

[red island]

yeah but thats not what i asked

i dont care about this video

[silent storm]

Me neither

But he is breaking down the exotic drop rate

[red island]

why do u need a video telling you whats on the image ?

[magic pilot]

There's nothing to break down, it's all in a chart lol

[red island]

its litterally all the infos you need, on a single jpg

[silent storm]

ok

[red island]

or png, i dont discriminate

tho png is def superior to jpg dont @ me

[silent storm]

So anyway I can stop farming the unicorn chest then because The Sacrifice is better?

[red island]

depends on the build

[silent storm]

Pest

[red island]

pest is a weapon not a build

[silent storm]

Like I used The Sacrifice years ago on my Baker's Dozen because it was so good

Sharpshooter spec Baker's

[subtle bluff]

TBH you shouldn't even farming something that hard and you're not even 800 SHD yet.

[red island]

yeah why would you do that

you dont even know where to use thoses unicorns

[subtle bluff]

And that you don't even have a clear goal of the build more of a thought.

[silent storm]

I play looter shooters to farm

[red island]

then farm something useful for you

[silent storm]

what is "useful"?

[red island]

def not a unicorn for you

[subtle bluff]

Things to help clear CD faster and more consistently.

[silent storm]

Getting the gear everyone wants is my crack

[subtle bluff]

On that note I need to update my unicorn list in my guides. LOL

[silent storm]

And I will do a CP 1000 times in a row if it drops there

[red island]

but you dont know what everyone wants lol

[silent storm]

I watch build vids and "get this now" vids and UNSTOPPABLE vids

[magic pilot]

So a bunch of garbage YouTubers push down your gullet

[silent storm]

I mean I love some builds, LMG is one and if I can make it better, hell yeah ALL IN

[silent storm]

Is that Hunter's Fury?

[subtle bluff]

unstoppable video

[silent storm]

NM Striker

I zoomed in

[red island]

dont

its the worst build advice you can get and then give to new players

[silent storm]

My Hunter's Fury build with Dark Winter is getting real fun to play though

I almost have it optimized

[magic pilot]

YouTubers are the blue pill of division 2

[silent storm]

Skillup is bluepill?

[subtle bluff]

Tac Vector 9mm w/killer by numbers is better than Dark Winter but also shown in video

[silent storm]

Yeah Dark Winter needs like 5 more in the mag TBH

[red island]

what skill up video build are u watching.....

[subtle bluff]

wtf.. Tac Vector 9mm has less.

[silent storm]

I watched all of them back then

[red island]

bro stop with the "back then"

its been years, we talking now

[silent storm]

That is where my kits are from dude

I am farming new as we speak

[red island]

are you chasing unicorns from 3 years ago ?

[silent storm]

Maybe

[red island]

and then u wonder why we tell you to stop lmao

[silent storm]

lol

[red island]

i dont even know if he got builds from before gear 2.0

[silent storm]

Some things change but most stay the same

[red island]

no, almost all of it changed

[silent storm]

Dude I have gear pieces that have different main cores on them and I'm like did this change

[red island]

yes, its called exotic bagpack

[silent storm]

They just changed the new drops while all old drops still have the old core on them

[red island]

no....

[subtle bluff]

Let him do w/e he wants as long as he stop with giving out misinformation here.

[red island]

thats what im asking

but they flat out refuse and keep saying "but thing existed 3 years ago"

[silent storm]

Explain this then I have 3 Backbones with Yellow core

None are tinkered with

Pretty sure I sharded a few as well because I needed space

Was hunting it for my D3-FNC build in TD 2 I remember that much

Needed the Yellow for Blinder Firefly

Suddenly real quiet in here

Dude I have hours in game, I'm not a complete noob. Yeah some of my info might be out of date. Just correct me. I am open to the now, but my past is still there

And honestly I want to know what is new and what works now. Because I want that meta build I want that thing that levels you up. That's what looter shotters are

[bright raptor]

yeah I think for a while the Backbones were all glitched to drop as yellow cores

anyway for actual exhaustively tested builds, it's all in The Spreadsheet 2's Hub tab https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

these are all as min maxed as they come and are up to date with the seasonal changes and introductions

[silent storm]

Budget Lengmo setup
So literally the setup I though would be good as I farm the unicorn in Countdown is called the Budget Lengmo setup in the doc

and I got grief for that

maybe some other people need to stop giving advice in here

But apparently the unicorn doesn't matter anymore

[subtle bluff]

You seem to type a lot so we let you. We didn’t grief you you may have felt that way.

[magic pilot]

thats one specific piece that was bugged

[subtle bluff]

I’m more than sure it’s said in front of you about the GDoc/Gearsheet & Build Hub but you yet to look at that one.

[magic pilot]

it was tagged as empress in the games code for whatever reason, so was dropping with a yellow core. they never retro actively fixed them, only new drops

the one i currently am using orignally had a yellow core

[silent storm]

You asked what YTer I was following of some shit like that like they are all worthless

[bright raptor]

well they are, except for those who get a shout out on the spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

that one is also not updated rn

[subtle bluff]

I’ll get the builds at least on there now.

[magic pilot]

yea there is some exceptions IE youtubers who actually test shit and understand the games dmg formula

[silent storm]

That is the one you were anxious about

[subtle bluff]

“Anxious”?

[silent storm]

Do I need to google that word for you

feeling or showing worry, nervousness, or unease about something with an uncertain outcome:

[subtle bluff]

Not gonna start this with you. I am here to help players with builds.

You seem to know/not know what you’re doing.

[shy willow]

I want a build that lets me be invincible and do good damage also op skills plz

[subtle bluff]

Sir.

[silent storm]

Famr

[magic pilot]

and buff the team

[shy willow]

Yes can't forget all my bulwark homies

[silent storm]

I watched a video on this today

[magic pilot]

never forget

[subtle bluff]

I need to get my gray set and do this

[silent storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNOuUKXCIOA&t Be the Leader

[subtle bluff]

If it’s not EP or FI then that’s a worthless

[magic pilot]

yea that build sucks ngl

for those that dont want to watch the video

i love flatline with firewall

[subtle bluff]

LMAO

[magic pilot]

that way every 3 conflict kills i can pulse

[silent storm]

He makes a solid case for the build in the video

[magic pilot]

a shotgun player is one tapping him all day

[shy willow]

Every time I look closer it gets worse

[silent storm]

Well then 1 tap him

[magic pilot]

also im pretty sure vanguard has an insanely long cooldown in pvp

[silent storm]

He mentions that in the video, in invaded DZ that isn't the case

[bright raptor]

hahahahahahahahaha

[magic pilot]

you know whats even stronger in the invaded dz? literally everything else

[silent storm]

Is he wrong?

[bright raptor]

well I already gave you the useful stuff, I am now here to laugh at these claims

[silent storm]

Dude I haven't done serious DZ for like 2 years

[magic pilot]

clearly the expert then

[silent storm]

I was just showing a vid I watched today

[magic pilot]

the best thing about that build is he at least went crit rolls and picked a decent smg

even though ouro is absolutely dead in pvp

[subtle bluff]

Again stop giving out misleading/misinformation on stuff you don’t know in the Build Advice channel. You can throw all that stuff in #td2-general-chat

[silent storm]

If you watch the vid he explains how it all works together

[magic pilot]

yea i dont need to watch the video to understand the thought process

[silent storm]

He is the pointman

And requires 3 good DPS to follow

[magic pilot]

there are so many support builds that are much better, like running survivalist+efficient

[silent storm]

Even mentions how a second Tardigrade leader would be great for the build

[magic pilot]

survivalist kit gives 641k armor per second

[subtle bluff]

He’s gonna make me repeat myself like nuts.

[magic pilot]

on a good regen build, and it works for the whole team

[silent storm]

Sometimes Team Builsds are better than solo builds

[magic pilot]

it is a team build.

[silent storm]

Like when you have friends and stuff

[magic pilot]

are you talking to yourself rn?

[subtle bluff]

In other context was the person asking for a PvE or PvP build?
You assumed otherwise.

[magic pilot]

if you need a tardigrade on your team, your support player isnt doing enough

unless you have someone running bonk

[silent storm]

I don't know dude I just was on YT filtering for recent vids

I felt like within the last year would be good

Since I haven't played recently

And I have 529h and 3m total play time and since the last 3 weeks I doubt I racked up that much. You guys are almost as bad as an LoL discord up here

[tidal swan]

yo hey now don't shit on my boy owobowo like that

[tidal swan]

I'm the only Tardi you need 😉 (might need 1 or 2 more haste rolls for insta cooldown. This is still in a testing state of how many hsd rolls I can fit)

[magic pilot]

conflict?

[tidal swan]

yea infinite scanner for conflict

[magic pilot]

i was referring to a support and tardi player btw

[tidal swan]

aaaah

[magic pilot]

pretty sick

[tidal swan]

yeah just I think you'd have to roll more into haste instead of HSD. I was just testing stuff out to see if I can at least have some damage, but not really. This one goes down to like 10-second cooldown. So 1 or 2 more haste rolls should be enough.

[magic pilot]

secret tech

[tidal swan]

mortar?

[magic pilot]

firefly

[tidal swan]

what the hell

[magic pilot]

one shots in conflict

[tidal swan]

oh shit?

[magic pilot]

yea seen deco get a quad feed with it

[tidal swan]

I'm actually sad I deleted my old Owobowo build now that the gun was mentioned. versatile Ouro goes BRRRRRRR

wanna see something ugly Prod? 😄

[magic pilot]

yea ofc

[tidal swan]

imagine just HSD roll on chest too

[magic pilot]

i saw one of these back in the day but for elmo

[tidal swan]

oh god... back in 70shock mag elmo...

[magic pilot]

gotta max that blind status

id probably go tech on that tho

[shy willow]

I'm at a point where I genuinely can't tell if these are meant to be taken seriously

The rolls are ruining my eyes

[magic pilot]

niche pvp setups

[tidal swan]

is this one of Soaps builds? looks familiar

[magic pilot]

unknown spot

[tidal swan]

pretty sure he had something very similar for reggy

[magic pilot]

think so yea

[tidal swan]

I just went onto max status and dump all else on skills, crutching on sticky/hive and HSD

but yeah very niche build indeed. I do remember having some good high kill matches with that build, but mostly it's an 'annoyance' support build. Def not meant to be facetank dueling with it.

[silent storm]

I am not calling for it, watch the dudes video and see why he was calling for it

[magic pilot]

Same with the status reg

[silent storm]

I justy did confrict with this build lol

Did not go well

Forgot I was rebuilding a kit, little bit drunk, and didn't switch back to a loadout before joining because still had same weapon

[gentle lichen]

On kill talents aren't good in pvp

Use a vigilance lengmo

[silent storm]

I know this, I am against all ramp damage in PvP

[gentle lichen]

There are lots of ramp up talents that are really good in pvp like striker intimidate and bighorn talent

[silent storm]

But my wife needed me to move a car twice and I was in the middle of a set fit to be optimized and I forgot and then I was like let's just play some conflict

[gentle lichen]

But on kill =! Stacking

[shy willow]

Bighorn my PvP goat

[silent storm]

yeah avoid on kill in PvP

I just got a Bighorn the other day and I still haven't used it but I was looking at it and trying to understand. Is it an AR that turns into a Rifle?

[shy willow]

Ignore the semi auto mode

[gentle lichen]

Yes but the rifle part is rarely used you want it for that ridiculous headshot damage

[shy willow]

Extremely busted AR for targets with heads

[silent storm]

Nice

[gentle lichen]

To the point where even after building full blue and only using regen brands with headshot/haz if you use intimidate ad rush + catharsis you'll average 350k damage to players

[silent storm]

So like you just right click and don't middle mouse to zoom in right?

And it stays AR and murders?

[gentle lichen]

Yurp

[silent storm]

Nice, yeah my bighorn is kinda poop atm because I just got it

[gentle lichen]

Get damage to targets out of cover on it

[gentle lichen]

Yeah you don't want that

[silent storm]

Well yeah

That is just the way I got it and only have 90 exotic components left so only want to reroll the good ones

[gentle lichen]

Don't "only" that amount i got it in around 6-7 rolls

[silent storm]

People keep telling me you need lots of exotic components to level expertise levels

90 dosen't seem like lots to me if I want to level gear

[merry seal]

hm. Pondering a shield build. I know there's an exotic.. smg that works with shields, but would a rifle or AR be better for that bit extra 'range'?

[gentle lichen]

It's wayy too early for you to worry about actually utilising expertise to that point

[subtle bluff]

You’re on point with that latter thought.
You’re talking about OxPecker it’s very mid if not worse.

[silent storm]

Do you not know about BuildCD?

[gentle lichen]

That would be?

[silent storm]

If someone posts a good build somewhere I need to build it

[tidal swan]

also expertise is disabled in conflict

[gloomy spruce]

I truly love to see amazing builds.

Meme builds in particular are my favorite.

[silent storm]

I rarely do my own thing in these types of games because thousands of people will tell you why your build sucks

[gloomy spruce]

I know that from personal experience

[gentle lichen]

I'm away from my system to picture some of my stuff
But it's not too far from the pvp guide in the spreadsheet

Though it definitely needs umbra builds there

[merry seal]

yeah. I'm (atm) a lmg main, and loving it, but thinking of throwing together a more 'tanky' build (was thinking the technician's hive/shield) and pondering weapon, if I go shotgun/AR.. or smg/rifle. I found the LMG early in my playthrough and enjoy the 'dakka' so never really messed with AR's or SMG's :D

[tidal swan]

you need the bighorn regen build?

[gentle lichen]

You could use a memento striker with all reds and the tech hive and shield should be enough to tank you

Or use tempest with a bulwark and have a truly unbreakable shield

[silent storm]

Here is what I want. A tanky Hunter's Fury build that incorporates Dark Winter or a Sausage

[gentle lichen]

What would constitute as a sausage in division terms

[tidal swan]

this is what I run. Secondary gun is whatever, I never use it anyways. Skills are emp sticky and defender drone. Attributes are HSD/regen

[tidal swan]

sasg-12

or whatver sasg is I don't remember the number

[silent storm]

Your kidding me right now right?

[gentle lichen]

I'm not particularly fond of sausages so i wouldn't know

[silent storm]

Sausage

[tidal swan]

I mean you could just do 4-piece hunter fury with ad-rush backpack and unbreakable chest and run DW or SASG with it. I would do Matador backpack and Badger chest.

[gentle lichen]

I tend to spell the name of the weapon not pronounce it so i think it slipped my mind to make that connection

[merry seal]

memento is the trophy backpack, no? I haven't figured out how to get tempest yet. Googling it now

[gentle lichen]

Floor 100

Do it on heroic for 33% chance and not have to deal with legendary slop

[silent storm]

Sausage is one of the best SG in game

[gloomy spruce]

I only know it from an old R6 siege vid talking about Kapkan.

They used that term for the Sas-g.

[merry seal]

aaah ok. long grind but should be simple. I've only done floor 100 once, and was supprised by the difference between the 99 floors and floor 100 :D 'floor 99.. this is a cakewalk.. OMG WTF IS FLOOR 100' :D

[gentle lichen]

Yeah so uhh don't actually do the 100 floors lmao just find someone with that floor as their checkpoint

[silent storm]

That'sa a real gun and the reason they called it Sausage is because when it went off all you could make from the meat is sausage.

[gentle lichen]

I'm also not particularly fond of cannibalism

[silent storm]

Well in good times you only use it against Turkey or Deer

and you don't unload the entire clip unless you miss lol

Granted the name did have a lot in the forming of the moniker.

[gloomy spruce]

Rowdy, what are your thoughts on Ongoing Directive builds?

Have you tried out Tipping scales?

[subtle bluff]

It’s actually pretty bad.

You’re saying stuff without anything actually knowledge again.

and context wise since knowing how you to listen well.

[silent storm]

Number 3

[subtle bluff]

LOL WHAT? There's no order here....

[silent storm]

Well If I count down from top it is number 3

Never heard of 1 and 2

[solar sable]

there is no order from best to worst or vice versa

[silent storm]

are they side arms?

[hazy steeple]

Double-barrel is a primary, sawn-off are a side-arm.

[subtle bluff]

Yes it's 3rd lowest on damage.

[silent storm]

There is a guy on YT using improvised Holster and Knees

He is live right now I asked him about build and I had to leave it was so bad

[hazy steeple]

Improvised gear is all about those mod slots, you can make a fine endgame setup with it.

For a good example of how decent it can be, check out the "Chill Out" Mask.

[rich cosmos]

How good is refractor

I don’t see people talk about it much

[hazy steeple]

It seems very "youtubery" on the surface, although with this Season I can see it being interesting. Lot of front-line play being recommended by the Modifiers.

[subtle bluff]

Not bad. The gameplay for it is slow

[hallow arch]

Opinions on Aces and Eights?

the deadman's hand talent seems fun but I think the RNG aspect might hold it back a bit

[hazy steeple]

OG MMR setup, nowadays almost totally outclassed by Hotshot.
decent with Rifles.

[hallow arch]

ahhh I see

[hazy steeple]

I'm still a big fan, but that is mostly nostalgia talking.

[gentle lichen]

It's the only rng set right?

[hallow arch]

probably?

btw how do I use Negotiator's Dillema? do I just mark enemies and then focus on the one with the highest health so I can share the dmg longer?

I do know the chest and bp are necessary though (at first glance at least)

[gentle lichen]

Chest is too much work but bag is definitely a pick

[hallow arch]

Wdym? shouldn't it be a perfect pick since it's more damage? Or is there something I don't know?

[gentle lichen]

Juggling 4 enemies at once is enough work let alone 6
Besides lots of chest talents improve damage by a lot

Bag is really good though cause it makes the shared damage almost double

~90% improvement on the gearset

[hallow arch]

ohhh wait I mixed the backpack and chest talents lmao

[onyx sage]

ND's weakness is single target, the chest makes it worse

[hallow arch]

Damn I REALLY need coyote mask for the ND builds (and other builds too)

[hallow arch]

ahhh I see

[subtle bluff]

Not really.

[hallow arch]

yeahh just found out lol, but some of them really need it lol

[subtle bluff]

Let me put it this way I haven't thrown on my Coyote mask in awhile now.

[hallow arch]

oh lmao

[onyx sage]

it's always a good piece to use, but not always the best

sometimes you can't even fit it in, like in hunter's fury

[hazy steeple]

It's also worth noting, that Coyotes in a group can have something of a wasted effect.
Since when someone who has it on has the buff active that you need, you also get that active buff.

[hallow arch]

That said I might do this ND build, I got both King breaker and Carbine 7 already, I'll just do countdown to get the rest of the stuff

[hazy steeple]

so in a group, I wouldn't run more than 2-3 Coyotes in total.
it's worth having a replacement piece in your inventory as a back-up.

[subtle bluff]

where's that from?

[hallow arch]

The build hub

[subtle bluff]

Time to go update that one...

[hallow arch]

I forgot which one though since there's like 4 different ND docs

[subtle bluff]

Ya idk why we have them at update for last year these are really old.

[hallow arch]

Even the bluescreen dilemma?

[subtle bluff]

the ones from MJX

Raucey's one I do question.

[hallow arch]

I see I see

[cerulean smelt]

@yubi king breaker is a horrible weapon btw compared to just using something like carbine 7, police m4 and you know the other 2 weapons

[subtle bluff]

Why I had question where it's from

[hallow arch]

Aw that's a shame, it was the only gun with perfect flatline

[gentle lichen]

there is dare but...

[cerulean smelt]

That's probably more accurate

[hallow arch]

oh sweet...don't tell me it's ass

[gentle lichen]

it is a gr9 soo..

[hallow arch]

craaaap

Born to have fun, forced to meta

[elder temple]

I want my Dmg higher but don't want to sacrifice armor

[cerulean smelt]

then suffer with low damage

[elder temple]

I guess you can’t have both.

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much, most people will tell you all red (weapon damage) is best because things can't shoot you if they're dead
but you said you don't want to sacrifice armor, so people can't help you

maybe one thing you can try is replacing your improvised with say Picaro's Holster. That drops with armor core on it already and 10% weapon damage so you just need to swap the last stat to crit chance/damage as you need for your build

[brittle bloom]

Good eyes LostSoul because I can barely see what's in that picture. Definitely get rid of that holster

[subtle bluff]

Don't use bluescreen.

[cerulean smelt]

I had to get on my pc too look up the lavusier backpack for that perfect talent as I couldn't remember what status effects it used

[elder temple]

Fantastic I’ll do that.

[subtle bluff]

OD and Sadist go hand and hand for good DPS.

[elder temple]

I do have an lmg with perfect sadist

[subtle bluff]

no

Anything weapons with Sadist works.

[cerulean smelt]

Devs are bad at giving us perfect talents on weapons that's worse than a normal weapon

[subtle bluff]

I mean P Sadist is good. Just the weapon isn't that great.

To note this is what OD Tinkerer can do this is showing it off too much but it's just shows the level of Dmg it can do.

[cerulean smelt]

Not saying the perfect talent is bad, just saying the weapon choice to put it on wasn't great

[gentle lichen]

I will not tolerate negev hate

[elder temple]

I haven’t been able to figure out how to get the Tinkerer mask

[hushed quest]

@elder temple master difficulty Potomac event center manhunt mission

[elder temple]

I don’t have matter difficulty unlocked, just Heroic

[hushed quest]

You complete the manhunt mission on any difficulty first then it unlocks master difficulty

@elder temple

[subtle bluff]

To note you don’t have to do on Master but Master will guarantee you get Tinkerer.

[hushed quest]

This is my current striker build and honestly I'm loving it. Just wanted to see if my stats are looking great for what I'm running, mainly pve with some darkzone content here and there

Running just over 1.5 million armor would be more but I sadly don't have max proficiency

[subtle bluff]

Go with Memento instead of Coyote. You don't need the Crit from the Coyote since you're gonna get so much from BF.

[subtle bluff]

Then for chest talents get Obliterate you'll do more damage.

You can follow this guide with that in mind of what I said.

[hushed quest]

I was debating that, but I seen a lot of people advocating for striker bag for more damage so I wasn't sure.

[subtle bluff]

You don't need BP since you're getting other stacks of DMG.

I mean you can it's up to you.

[hushed quest]

I believe i put unbreakable on for dz content for the chest, I should be able to recalibrate

[subtle bluff]

Unbreakable ya is for DZ forsure.

[hushed quest]

I have a ceska chest with obliterate I can run over Sokolov

[subtle bluff]

If you want here's serect tech gear for BF when not running hazpro. (GJ on not doing it it's grinds my gears)

[hushed quest]

I don't mind it honestly, it was annoying at first but it doesn't affect me much. Even in darkzone. Most people who pvp me in darkzone can't track target very well so the slowdown isn't bad at all, plus unbreakable saves my life a lot lol

[subtle bluff]

That's the point of Unbreakable.

PvP BF is a bit different I can't comment too much on it. #td2-pvp-discussions would be the place for that.

[hushed quest]

Only 1 person thats I've struggled with and it was a guy running foundry with pestilence, had way to much armor and he rolled it with crit hit damage so it worked pretty well

[subtle bluff]

Once you get to high level of DZ you'll see a difference in builds and gameplay.

[elder temple]

[subtle bluff]

It's strong. I love it.

[elder temple]

As long as I have Momento

[elder temple]

I manifested it and I got it.

[subtle bluff]

Do you know about the Build Hub? There's a full guide for OD there.

[elder temple]

I don’t

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc Gear > Build Hub

[strong cave]

The slow tracking is due to you being on console. Also, hey, pvp guy here, Backfire isn't all that great in any case for pvp. Keeping stacks is near impossible. The only reason it works somewhat in DZ is due to you fighting landmarks. When in transit between spots or combat dies, your stacks likely need to be rebuilt. Additionally, You're also likely fighting normies. Skilled players or decent armor builds can easily drop Striker if you catch them at the right time (no/low stacks).

Like chow said, go with obliterate. Then slap on Memento. Allows you to run and gun. For pvp, if you're determined to use Striker just for landmark farming, take Ceska chest w/ Unbreakable and roll all Striker pieces to Armor/Crit Damage. Use Eaglebearer AR, get CHC to 60%, CHD% should be about 120-130%. Also take Memento backpack

Backfire just isn't it for PvP. Too many stacking mechanics to worry about. Any normal high end or umbra build will drop striker. Striker is only good when at max stacks. Same with backfire

[gentle lichen]

Backfire striker stairs is a happy thought
Would wanna see just what kills faster that or a chatter 4-5 stacks

[gusty quiver]

Anyone with a seeker build advice; currently trying without hardwire. Got my cooldowns to 14s on the mines. But fear 😧 m going to bite into that cooldown for damage as I want my pocket nukes.

[magic pilot]

Easier to give advice if you post a screenshot of current setup

[hoary sail]

well u can try explosives skills builds

[magic pilot]

That's what HW is for

[hoary sail]

yeah but not the best for it

[shy willow]

Hard wired is almost exclusively used for seeker spam

[gentle lichen]

-# and mortar spam in pvp

[gusty quiver]

Sorry I would if added my build but not at my pc to get it spot on. Again currently trying to stay away from hardwired as much as possible. I have a hardwired build but trying something different.

[gaunt dove]

attempting floor 100 in summit and I cant last more than 20 seconds. idk if I have to change anything on this build but I might need some recommendations on what I can change/improve.

[coral reef]

i've never tried OD. This damage is with the build on the spreadsheet?

[coral reef]

Have you tried using a full red DPS build and just popping Zealot for the 2 hunters that spawn? Asumming you're playing solo

[gaunt dove]

im trying to go for the aggressive type of build because of memento. also ive tried swapping the core attributes on the chest and gloves but Its not supported from what I know

[coral reef]

it is supported, you just have to pick between changing the core attribute or any other attribute. Can only change one.

[hallow arch]

Just tried a ND build

Couldn't set up the marks properly

[coral reef]

Use it the Bluescreen LMG ideally. Or any LMG with at least 150 bullets, so you can have an easier time marking targets.

[hallow arch]

I did, but lag's a pain in the ass

[coral reef]

ohhh you're the lag guy i forgot

respect for still playing though

[hallow arch]

damn...the lag guy???? 😭

[hallow arch]

Ay I loved the first game, and I've always wanted to play TD2 but I couldn't until recently

[magic pilot]

I had something once

[onyx sage]

says right here on the employee name badge

[hazy steeple]

I can update the badge if you'd like.

[hallow arch]

wait what-

[hallow arch]

wdym I got a badge???

[onyx sage]

Employee of the Month: Lag Guy

[coral reef]

oh shit my bad didnt meant for this to happen sorry @hallow arch

[hallow arch]

AW HELL NAW

[onyx sage]

don't think you're getting away too. we got roosevelt

[hallow arch]

😭

[mighty flame]

are there any sniper builds involving overdogs and shroud?

[magic pilot]

#td2-build-advice message

Overdogs+ shroud is kinda counterintuitive

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot here. Your build needs work.

[subtle bluff]

Rifles hit hard.

[elder temple]

Should I keep to reroll?

[subtle bluff]

DTTooC best but also unless you REALLY like Chameleon this could be waste of reasourses.

[cerulean smelt]

cloak is useless if you're solo, not sure if using a decoy would help you with cloak equipped or not, never tried it

[bright raptor]

Exotics always have all three stats rerolled at once, so be emotionally prepared

[tired falcon]

with only 1 skill tier the drone isn't likely to last long enough for that 50% reduced thread kneepads to make a difference. Having said that, this might still work if you add 2 armor cores. The main problem will still be the small mag size of the weapons; you need to build the bonus armor stacks very fast to make the close range gunplay viable

[meager fog]

Change the gun, Chameleon is garbage.

[bright raptor]

I mean it's got an okay rate of fire for stack building, the problem is its lack of accuracy to hit heads outside physically jabbing enemies with the suppressor, and it can't use the pulse laser as an alternative to headshots

[meager fog]

And you're losing something very important: A usable talent.

The talent on Chameleon needs a serious rework to make it viable. As it is, it's too awkward to make it useful.

[subtle bluff]

It's not pure garbage.. just enough effort to make it work.

[subtle bluff]

Body proc is better for DPS.

[meager fog]

I suppose it would be beter to say: On a build that requires you to hit headshots reliably to keep yourself alive. You would be better off trying to poke them in the eyes with your finger.

[subtle bluff]

Body shots first than HSD. I did a pretty clean lincolin run that I wish I could post.

[meager fog]

Especially when their are other ARs that can hit the headshots at a much more effective range than the Chameleon

Like....all of them

[subtle bluff]

Yup! Chameleon is an SMG.

[meager fog]

100% and if it was rebuilt as one, the +21% crit chance would make it actually quite viable

since you could add handling to gear pieces and make it much better

[young tide]

Hi guys, is the Tinkerer mask still available or was it exclusively in the previous season ? I want to use it in my build

[meager fog]

It's a guaranteed drop from first master completion of the manager mission. It will be available forever

[young tide]

Ok I gotta take a look, thanks a lot

[subtle bluff]

hey can you copy this and repost it? quickly?

[meager fog]

lol why?

[subtle bluff]

Can't have it here.

I can't post it since it's my

[meager fog]

I see

[onyx sage]

https://youtu.be/EL8os3hugQI

[meager fog]

I was just doing it averagejoe

😭

[onyx sage]

:p

[mighty flame]

are there any other MMR focused gear sets besides Aces and Hotshot?

[onyx sage]

uhhh breaking point but 2p only

[subtle bluff]

Why would the question for me.

[subtle bluff]

Oh god this run is bad. LOL

This is where I learned EMP chunga is bad.

[mighty flame]

?

[subtle bluff]

Why are you looking? Hotshot hands down is the BiS.

[onyx sage]

he means why do you ask that question

[mighty flame]

just making sniping builds

[magic pilot]

3pc

2 pc not worth

[meager fog]

Is Shroud now top?

[magic pilot]

Yea it's pretty op

[magic pilot]

Took 3 shots to kill challenging countdown hunter with no outside buffs

[subtle bluff]

MMR needs a guide.. I'm working on pesti

[rich cosmos]

Whats a good build for measured assembly with damage

[magic pilot]

Pesti is more important imo, most people don't fully utilize HH properly

[onyx sage]

just use hotshot as recommended above

[meager fog]

Pins > GDocs > Buiuld guide

[magic pilot]

Not one in there lol

[subtle bluff]

can I ask why?

[meager fog]

Hotshot is BiS for snipers, without any question or anything else even coming close.

[subtle bluff]

is there a MA one in there?

[meager fog]

Nope. But if it's not, you don't need to ask about it.

[onyx sage]

friendly fire

[magic pilot]

If you want dmg with measured assembly throw capacitor on lol

[onyx sage]

chow maintains the sheet along with us 💀

[magic pilot]

Chows doing most of the work rn🤣

[meager fog]

Yep, and he knows MA isn't in there, because it's just not worth using.

So hopefully the player checks the Gdoc, sees it's not there and they repent their sins

[onyx sage]

no, chow asks cuz he's not the sole maintainer of the sheet, it might have been there when he wasn't looking.

but no MA isn't in there

[subtle bluff]

I actually don’t just the guides. LOL

[meager fog]

Chow is ALWAYS watching....sometimes maybe not looking....but he's watching 😅

[subtle bluff]

For some reason I have permissions for all the guides, but not for the spreadsheet

[rich cosmos]

I don’t see anything for measured and that website sucks ass on phone

[bright raptor]

yeah I just use Measured transmogs and that's it

[meager fog]

It's not there because it's crap.

[rich cosmos]

I thought people liked it

[subtle bluff]

It’s a niche gearset for teams that need crutch in leggo or lovebirds

[meager fog]

Play enough Countdown you'll see that True Patriot is also well liked....doesn't stop it being crap

[magic pilot]

Really?

[magic pilot]

Ah it's cause we need Azur to move it to the folder

[subtle bluff]

I'm good now.

[vast mica]

is this good for anything? seems too good to just extract

brand is dudu though

[rich cosmos]

Personally 10% accuracy for the brand set bonus is just flat out awful

[onyx sage]

i would just extract the crit damage

[red island]

its ok in some cases like if you play with scabard exotic, otherwise not so much

nvm its a bad brand, u can extract chd

[cinder wedge]

i hate to keep coming back and asking stupid questions but are there any sites or videos on yt that explain the damage and certain armor pieces because hearing all these terms and acronyms or build names keeps screwing me up in terms of figuring it all out due to how much info is pouring into my brain i really wanna understand it its just so complicated sry again for my yapping

[red island]

u can ask anything u need here, i would avoid youtube as most video are just clickbait tho
but take it slow, there is a LOT of info to learn, take it at your pwn pace

you dont wanna burn yourself by taking in everything too fast

[meager fog]

Urban lookout is crap.

[cinder wedge]

i am very much a simple is better i don't hate complex stuff i just like to be able to understand so i can do better and be helpful to my teammates it just seems so unintuitive adn so many yt videos look clickbaity

like warframe and destiny 2 (which i stopped playing still play warframe tho) are hard to a degree but seems simpler to understand although i have been on a break from those

[red island]

using a simple build like striker is enough, learning the mechanics of the game/npc/mission is way more important imo

this is the difference between a dps doing max damage and a dps dead after 5s

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc Gear > Build Hub

[red island]

just pick a striker build, obliterate on ceska is good, and then learn mecanics of the game, what u can do/cant do, it will go a long way

just today i went and cleared a legendary with only 1 mate that was shd 80, but knew how to position/focus/etc, which made the entire mission a breeze

while 3 players with good build but doing bad stuff would just slow me down

[cinder wedge]

its all the percentages and the names of everything that overwhelm me lol but i am trying to get better at reading through everything i see i just turn the game if i feel like i am getting to the point of being stressed or annoyed then i get on the next day and try again not getting very far but i hope i figure it out soon because destiny 2 got me to the point that i can get nuclear levels of mad at a game over the slightest thing i wish i never got into d2 it really made me unhappy in the long run

[subtle bluff]

Last night I was RMM leggo OD player, bad healer build, and weird tank build. I was carrying but wasn't ready for all the agro I'd pull because I doing all the dmg.

[subtle bluff]

I pointed you to where you want.

[cinder wedge]

nevermind lol i suck at explaining myself through text imma go chill in red dead online peace

[red island]

yeah threat mecanic is weird and doesnt allow you to really dps sadly

[subtle bluff]

TBH keep it simple but make all the context is there and we'll help.

[subtle bluff]

Like I was doing alright other than ono one else was really killing or holding my flank.

[red island]

yeah, i feel u sadly

if you dont got eyes on the back of your head its insanely hard

[subtle bluff]

And the dumb tank was blocking my shots...

[red island]

classic

[subtle bluff]

Some 12k SHD kid then called me out for going down more than the others. So I left them mid way thru a fight.

Where there was 3 mini tanks for him to deal with. Good enough for me.

[red island]

haha

[tired falcon]

that's why the unofficial name for this game is The Salt Division 2: Extra Spicey

[red island]

i dont think this guy could withstand any level of spicy

[solar sable]

was the kid running a tank build?

[subtle bluff]

I saw Aegis and closed it.

[solar sable]

fair enough

[rich cosmos]

Birdies backpack is still bad right?

Im tempted to go unlock it but Im not sure its even worth the time

[solar sable]

it's in the general pool tho lol at least I think so, and yep, it's still not that great

[rich cosmos]

Truly outstanding to have an exotic themed entirely around your team being bad

[solar sable]

I got one mid Retal IIRC

[solar sable]

a lot of medics in DZ use it to support their teams, I dont know if it's used in Refactor pvp builds tho, just getting feedback from facebook dudes

[rich cosmos]

I guess its just a pvp only exotic

[red island]

i wish it was a good set :( someone should make it work

[obtuse crystal]

And ig something good to hotswap to revive someone quickly

[solar sable]

I forgor people are used to hotswapping

[rich cosmos]

So
How would 10% status effects affect something like the banshee pulse, would it be closely equal to using a skill tier or would it be better to go for status effects

[subtle bluff]

You can check it out in the gearsheet or in game what happens when you add to it tbh.

[rich cosmos]

1. The spreadsheet is awful to navigate on a phone
   And 2. Im at work

[subtle bluff]

So Teirs for Banshee give duration and cone size 10% per

I don’t know the amount that status effects gives to it

[rich cosmos]

I tried looking it up on the wiki but the percentages weren’t really helpful

[subtle bluff]

Wiki is not up to date

[onyx sage]

skill tier will be stronger

[solar sable]

as a guy who has never seen the spreadsheet on his pc, the phone version is comfy asf

[onyx sage]

the average player has not seen a single spreadsheet ever

[solar sable]

so that means that I'm above average, sir?

[onyx sage]

AND i'm bad

[shy willow]

Sir

[magic pilot]

sir

[subtle bluff]

Sirs

[wraith zealot]

do you guys know where to find high stat headshot mod

i missed one to complete my hotshot build

[obtuse crystal]

target farming gear mods and praying you get lucky

[wraith zealot]

wait you can do that

countdown right? many thanks

[obtuse crystal]

yeah or summit because it has legendary

[gentle lichen]

English only

Btw haven't i seen you somewhere?

[proven kayak]

Nop

[hazy steeple]

@proven kayak You're welcome to use other languages to find players in the "LFG" channels, but english only on the rest of the server.

[hazy steeple]

@gentle lichen I'm sure you'll be best friends in DM.

[wanton lynx]

Anyone know the best dps and Armor build?

[subtle bluff]

Heartbreaker

[wanton lynx]

I know u would want all core att armor but would I need the other atts to be red correct?

[hazy steeple]

You very much do not want full armour stats on that build, you'd be shooting an enemy for half an hour to give them a nosebleed.

[cerulean smelt]

think you can get 5/3/1 (or 2 if you take up technician)?

[hazy steeple]

I'm sure you can throw Memento on there, with Technician, and that'll be plenty.

[cerulean smelt]

come to think of it, 6, 2, 1(2), memento, picaro's holster then technican for 2 skill tiers

[wanton lynx]

Whats the numbers? 6,2 and 1? Sorry if I sound stupid I took a 5yr break from it and I got a pc so I had to restart everything. Im a lvl 400+ tho and got everything i had on that account but I forgot how builds work and everything.

[bright raptor]

6 red cores, 2 blue cores and 1 (technically 2) skill tiers

[cerulean smelt]

gasps Mrchow using a turmoil for knees?!

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[cerulean smelt]

lol, hope i got you looking at your post and be like wait a minute!!

[devout iris]

so for tipping spears, what secondary should i have cause as of now i just have the iron lung and a gr9

[subtle bluff]

Rifles work

[gloomy spruce]

And this people is why we should ban spreadsheets. Spreadsheets are clearly tools that a small elite group of players use to maximize their builds at the expense of everyone else.

If I feel like my NBB 3pc TP 2pc Aegis rolled all blue with a Sleigher and Merciless is the ultimate damage build, then it should be considered the ultimate damage build! Spreadsheets dispel my creativity and force a tired oppressive meta on me!

My feels should be able to overturn reality!

[shy willow]

Unfortunately sir maths doesn't care about your feelings

[hazy steeple]

The temptation to change dien's name to "sir maths" is overwhelming right now.

[gloomy spruce]

My Health rolls should also matter and math should not make them useless!

Dien's name might be more appropriate as SirMathsALot

[hazy steeple]

If this isn't a bit and you're actually complaining about maths being important in builds, you may be playing the wrong franchise.

[shy willow]

EnvyVIII

[gloomy spruce]

I mean the game is called "the Division". Math was always going to be baked in...

[gloomy spruce]

I am lacking the source material?

Why not both?

Everyone wants that "multiplicative damage"

[gentle lichen]

Multiplicative damage amp damage total damage all damage

Just put the dps in the bag bro

[shy willow]

Idk I don't play descent tbh

All I know is improvisation

[gloomy spruce]

I think he hates that one(envy) but loves Greed and Wrath

[gloomy spruce]

The odd thing about that build is that it has 4 red cores (capacitor), potential for crit and or severe hsd damage. It even uses an obliterate chest piece.

It is better than a significant percent of builds without even trying.

A shield with it would be tier 6 and very hard to break.

[gentle lichen]

Man i have a really old ninjabike photo here i'll try to find it

I had a vision

This was before the capacitor meta in pvp

[hazy steeple]

There must be a way to take a screenshot of a ps5 game without using a physical camera.

[gentle lichen]

I haven't discovered that then

[gloomy spruce]

Interlacing, it is the bane of many photographers.

[shy willow]

My wife stole my camera

[gloomy spruce]

Pretty much, you want to use a low shutter speed and a tripod. It is annoying.

[dawn perch]

Is there a build that just completely safe in terms of the damage it deals. I getting shred in terms with a red build (it is so very dependent on positioning)

[magic pilot]

You answered your question at the end

There are builds that make you super tanky, but super tanky≠useful

[dawn perch]

I am horrid with positioning. It just take one misposition step and boom I am on the ground dead. I was having such frustrating time against cleaners and rogue agents.

my best strat right now is to stay in place

(behind cover and with sawyers)

[vivid axle]

whats the verdict on tinker with frenzy/measured over this?

[dawn perch]

for me it a good alternative

they do about the same DPS

[vivid axle]

like 2.1m bullets no?

[coral reef]

Yes, but Overdogs build is better because yo can then use an exotic gun for some extra utility (Bluescreen, Iron Lung, Pesti)

[vivid axle]

thats kinda what im wondering. if bluescreen+dogs is better than frenzy/strained tinker

[coral reef]

hell yeah it is

[vivid axle]

im gonna get the lmgs to try the tinker but im assuming its the case fs

[coral reef]

It really shines when you have the ROF 30% bonus by capturing control points

[vivid axle]

ceska oblit chest is a must?

[coral reef]

what do you have in mind

[vivid axle]

glass cannon lol

glass cannon makes it better with pest

[coral reef]

Sure, all the actual good players here will tell you to pick glass over obliterate. I just want to sit back and spray, man

[vivid axle]

i just think obliterate doesnt have enough uptime

[coral reef]

the uptime comes natively from your LMG BRRRRRRRR

[vivid axle]

i also just dont like dogs because i forget what the stupid breakdown is and tinker i dont have to think

[dawn perch]

I could never achieve like 2mil per bullet but I have a SHIT ass build that can't do damage. at most I could do 1.1 mil

[vivid axle]

with the dog boost im hitting 2.1

this is also maxrolled with 20 expertise on pakhan

[dawn perch]

I just could never get any of that number even when i have that exact setup. I just never hit 2 mil

[vivid axle]

i would assume expertise is the difference

[magic kettle]

can someone show me a good ravenous build?

[vivid axle]

SURE

[dawn perch]

I absolutely despise expertise. It gives you a boost in damage at the cost of materials. for newer players. IT IS JUST BS system to handle. As it does not respect your time.

[magic kettle]

what’s the gear on that build?

[vestal ibex]

These clips with old season modifiers rip

[vivid axle]

i dont think the modifier had anything to do with it iirc

its just a really stupid umbra/sticker/ninja build for max firerate

[magic kettle]

gotcha

[vivid axle]

i believe its 3pc umbra 2pc sticker and ninjabike

but that is basically the setup i used to try out rav too and its the same thing

more rav dots the better you just have to switch shoulders a lot more

[vestal ibex]

The best rifle builds are OD or High end build.

[vivid axle]

ongoing directive rifle build? this ive never heard of

also 2pc breaking point is just fine too if you wanna get saucy

[vestal ibex]

OD build

Standard HE build

[dawn perch]

is there any good blue build that is not dependent on momento and is very reliable in terms of damage. (i need a one bad day build)

[vestal ibex]

I'd never really recommend ninja bike backpack builds anyway especially all gear set ones cause the 2 pc of any gearset isn't enough to make up for a backpack talent.

[vivid axle]

v interesting every OD build i have made was lmg

[vivid axle]

ninjabike is reserved for the memest of meme builds

[vestal ibex]

Because that's typical, rifle builds aren't exactly the best out there tho.

[vivid axle]

idk if its still a thing but the technician laser pulse builds typically stack blue cores

heartbreaker i think

[dawn perch]

it is usually used for filling in gaps but it is really there to fill in gaps and complete sets. But It is not really that worth it as we have better talents.

[vivid axle]

im also at the point of the game where the best out there has been done i like the funkier ones now. im working on a perfect spotter blue core/chcchd build at this moment just because theres nothing left to build

[vestal ibex]

I think the best way to put it is you can pick one area to do really well in and not 2 or three. You've got 6 slots for gear you can't have 3 give you damage the same as 6 would.

[vivid axle]

there is actually no reason whatsoever to use ninjabike unless youre doing something totally insane

which is why i am a big fan of ninjabike because frequently i think of a build that is totally insane

[vestal ibex]

Builds are all math to me. I'm looking to make the best out of what can be slotted. What's acutally needed to play the game and clear content? Half grey gear setups so honestly it's like build whatever you want.

[magic pilot]

Ninja does have its place in PvP

[vivid axle]

i agree 100%. I have my mathmatically perfect builds for speedrunning raids and incursion so why not spend the rest of the weak pve content using insane builds

[gentle lichen]

Ninjabike build =! Insane it still needs to be comprehensive to be good

[vivid axle]

almost universally in pve it needs to be insane to justify ninjabike

[magic pilot]

Frenzy/measured all day

[vestal ibex]

I think I use insane in a different way...

[vivid axle]

insane as in no reason to use it other than ninja. I like to force all the puzzle pieces to fit and be a workable high dps build

[gentle lichen]

I think i should rephrase
Not all ninjabike builds are insane but most insane builds are ninjabike builds

[vivid axle]

i dont remember if this is ninja but it is kind of a lunatic caliber build

[dawn perch]

being good in one area is easy. Anyone can make full red, blue, yellow core build. the hard part is build into damage where you have surivablilty, and surivability where you have damage. The issue I am having is that I dying so much as I do not have luxury of positioning. The only way I can do anything is to stay in place in cover (which still get me killed by explosives). I kind of forced to play a red build.

[vivid axle]

survivability is a meme. a phrase from tcgs "life is a resource" nothing can kill you if everything is dead

[vestal ibex]

Well that is why people say go red and kill em quick.

[vivid axle]

you dont need blue cores at all in this game unless youre key tank or some other insanely specialized role

[vestal ibex]

The fact of the game is that the faster you have them reach 0 HP the faster the encounter ends and the less you get shot.

[dawn perch]

yeap. Problem is that is not happening quick enough. More often, I just get murdered

[vivid axle]

this is not a game of back and forth its literally just do the DPS and win 99.9% of the time (outside of PVP but it also kinda is like that)

[dawn perch]

either I am shooting at them and they are behind cover. Or I have to play aggresive and push them but I am put out of position and get shot up

I just want a build that let me attack from cover as positioning is a real problem for me

[vivid axle]

i dont mean it as an insult but frfr its a skill issue

[onyx sage]

they only pop up to shoot you if they can see you

[dawn perch]

I have no skill. I have garbage skills at this point.

[onyx sage]

if you also hide in cover yourself they'll keep hiding

[dawn perch]

I just frustrated as I can't build positioning skills at all and I need to compensate for the lack of skill.

[onyx sage]

you have to pop up to shoot sometimes, you don't have to leave cover entirely, you're just baiting them to shoot you

[vivid axle]

i also am coming from a point of knowing every spawn in the game and can manipulate that easily. I can see how a new player would get overwhelmed esp on higher difficulties

[vivid axle]

you should use hunters fury builds to build an understanding of how enemy AI works and where they spawn

[worn imp]

g'day fellow buildies. My friend told me that you are able to reach bleed ticks as high as over 10 millions of damage with the right status/skill builds. Meanwhile there are people saying that status effect builds that aren't foam, are "not good enough" for leggos. Can someone verify to me if certain status effect DPS builds are viable for leggos or not?

[dawn perch]

A hunter fury build got me killed a lot as well. Unless you have better designed one?

[ivory comet]

I feel this. Thats why I made this stupid build:

[vivid axle]

you want to see a really crazy one?

[dawn perch]

sure

[vivid axle]

lemme see if i still have it saved

[worn imp]

@onyx sage do you have any thoughts on this?

[vestal ibex]

I mean most of us use HHF builds all the time.

[onyx sage]

i think that's bs

[dawn perch]

what is that

[violet juniper]

heh

swap chest for a Sokolov/Grupo one instead of gila

[vivid axle]

ignore the hazpro rolls thats supposed to be HSD for this one i was just using the other pieces

chainkiller hunters fury baby

[violet juniper]

Old screenshot though, I use Intim way too much now

[worn imp]

what is exactly? the dps status effect builds not having high enough DPS to do well in Leggos? or what?

[vestal ibex]

Head hunter fury, basically chainkiller 4 pc hunters, backpack brand your main HS weapon+vigi or unstoppable or concussion.

[onyx sage]

the 10 million bleed ticks

[vestal ibex]

Bleed ticks suck. I doubt you'd get much over 100K

[violet juniper]

I call BS

[worn imp]

just verifying

[violet juniper]

status is ok, Fire EP is great

[onyx sage]

you can't even do that with fire and fire is >>>>>>>>> bleed

[vivid axle]

you are not hitting that number in bleed ticks even with scales and lengmo ive tried it

[gentle lichen]

what was that build that had 3 ticks and killed an elite in 2 bullets?

[vivid axle]

uh headhunter anything and its 1 bullet

[gentle lichen]

vaguely remember that long ago

[dawn perch]

why do i sense I am going to die trying to grab momento stacks

[violet juniper]

Triple tick

[vivid axle]

memento is horrible and a noob trap

[violet juniper]

nah, just don't get hit

[gentle lichen]

woah

[violet juniper]

you mean NBB lmao

[vivid axle]

no i mean memento

[gentle lichen]

bait used to be believable

[violet juniper]

I'd love to hear the logic

[vivid axle]

memento is unironically a more useless bag than NBB

[ivory comet]

🤯

[vivid axle]

it does nothing beneficial for any build ive ever tried it on.

[coral reef]

good morning ag--- DAMN!

[ivory comet]

sounds like user error /shrug

[vivid axle]

i dont think you people understand how many builds ive made

[dawn perch]

you know i face tank everythign right regardless of what I intent.

[gentle lichen]

you know this channel does need some action going on

[vivid axle]

@frozen haven please

[violet juniper]

then you're horrifically bad at building lmao

[vivid axle]

me and rav are the only people in this game that have come up with off the wall pve builds

[violet juniper]

I'm gonna summon the divine words

Skill Issue

[vestal ibex]

Memento is a great item but is kill/collect dependent.

[vivid axle]

memento is a meme not even worth considering

[gentle lichen]

to which a cqb build would benefit greatly from

[vivid axle]

you can be mad but it does not make me wrong

[onyx sage]

i can kinda see your pov cuz i haven't used it ever. but it is a great item for solo play

[gentle lichen]

not to say long range builds wouldn't but its an extra in that regard

[violet juniper]

that's why there's a beautiful striker shield in there to help you do exactly that

[onyx sage]

i don't use it precisely because of the stacking required

[violet juniper]

what makes you wrong is your reasoning.

"I don't like it, therefore it sucks"

[vivid axle]

ok instead of arguing with 5 people: show me a memento build and i will tell you why its bad

[dawn perch]

for me that what makes it kind of a problem. COLLECTING the trophies will get me killed. It really when you have the stacks though.

[vestal ibex]

The NBB>memento is where you messed up.

[violet juniper]

@vivid axle I use this in everything

[gentle lichen]

ignore rolls

[vivid axle]

i said NBB is bad but it plays an important role in allowing ridiculous builds to function

[ivory comet]

I think there's plenty debate on other backpacks being better than Memento. Not NBB.

[coral reef]

let him cook

[worn imp]

whats nbb stand for

[violet juniper]

he's burnt it

[vestal ibex]

I mean I bet you could take off NBB from any of the builds you mention and they'd function similar or better.

[gentle lichen]

ironically memento actually allows more hybrid gameplay/building than ninja

[onyx sage]

ninjabike backpack

[worn imp]

ah

[dawn perch]

does that shield come in an explosvie resistance variant? as the situation i find myself in are really hairy

[vivid axle]

sticker bag is better and you have blue coresd

[violet juniper]

striker bag is not better than a reliable intimidate proc

[vivid axle]

the people arguing with me are really posting sticker bags? what?

[vivid axle]

absolutely insane take

[violet juniper]

shield has that lumped in iirc

[frozen haven]

Find me a better build than this

[vestal ibex]

I think at this point you have to clarify your statement on this memento thing cause as I'm seeing this it looks like that goal post is shifting. Like is this about damage? The utility provided? what is this even about anymoer?

[vivid axle]

my king

[gentle lichen]

put a dps skill build with memento vs a ninja and show which does more damage from turret/drone and from weapon

[dawn perch]

HUH. why you using the capacitor on that build

[violet juniper]

That but all yellow and Overlord shotty

[magic pilot]

Bold statement

[onyx sage]

i have exactly this but with skill tiers

[violet juniper]

no no, he's more inventive than the hundred of thousands of people who've played, trust

[vivid axle]

nobody is saying that. Im saying NBB actually has use in the sense of meme builds and memento does not. Memento provides nothing other than false confidence for builds and if you deny this look at the two "refutations" that have been posted

[gentle lichen]

i need to remake the ninja sniper

[vivid axle]

now this is cool

[gentle lichen]

don't ever let me catch you using this in pve

[violet juniper]

"NBB is useful because I can make trash builds with it"

[coral reef]

unironically I would love to see some of those builds, are they posted anywhere?

[violet juniper]

sorry guys, 2 million per shot at full stacks is bad

[vivid axle]

like, unironically yes this ioos what im saying

[violet juniper]

ah, so you're trolling

[vivid axle]

memento has nothing to do with that lmao

[magic pilot]

60% WD is bad?

[violet juniper]

could've said that from the start lmao

[gentle lichen]

1 of which is mine and please do guide me to the false confidence in 30% skill eff and 30% WD

[vivid axle]

i do not have a repository but i can send you some

[coral reef]

send them here

[violet juniper]

3% armour Regen too, don't forget that

[magic pilot]

60% with short buff

[frozen haven]

Oh no not the 3 to 5 business days in cover build

[vivid axle]

please enlighten me when these insane buffs from memento proc? is it after youve already killed 15+ enemies and it doesnt matter anyway?

[violet juniper]

Tier 3 striker shield is bad now apparently

[magic pilot]

Considering memento takes 3 minutes to decay. And fast traveling to missions doesn't reset stacks it's one of the best options for open world

[violet juniper]

This is old, I swapped to Firewall spec

[vivid axle]

this unironically is the worst backfire build ive every seen in my life

[violet juniper]

Starts generating insane value about 10 stacks in with the skill efficiency lmao

[violet juniper]

all crit, intim, Striker is bad to you?

[coral reef]

i will reply from my experience, with Hunter's Fury, you see the incremental after the first trophy you pick. You start with 400k crits, after the first trophy 500k crits, second trophy 600k crits, 700, 800... by the time a chunga appears, you're at 1.2M crits and he's gone before the SMG burst is over. In his face.

[magic pilot]

Its pretty solid ngl

[dawn perch]

I do say that momento does still take some positioning skills to actually use effectively. Once you do build stacks it is great. HOWEVER, the problem i find it is that it will promote reckless pushes for the trophies which is a noob trap. (in other words, there are those can't use it effectively yet)

[vivid axle]

actual striker build

[magic pilot]

HF you are gonna be close anyways

[worn imp]

chest is literally only good for raids

[violet juniper]

Striker chest automatically equals sub par lmao

[vivid axle]

no shit dummy its an incursion speedrun build

[violet juniper]

so your evidence to refute my build is... Striker chest?

[magic pilot]

Not even optimal for chest striker

[onyx sage]

eh this is an incursion speed build, it's up there

[magic pilot]

It's still not optimal even for incursion

[onyx sage]

it has its use cases

[vestal ibex]

That's not an incursion speed build.

[gentle lichen]

you wanna use ninja? relegate it to pvp only

[vivid axle]

glitchless yes it is

[magic pilot]

No it's not lol

[onyx sage]

i think fox would do better here over grupo

[violet juniper]

I've heard focus is good in PvP

[vestal ibex]

For bad runs I'd say.

[ivory comet]

This feels like a Wright only encounter build...

[magic pilot]

It would

[magic pilot]

Not even optimal for wright

[gentle lichen]

yeah i have an adjustable talent i like to be agressive with this

[vestal ibex]

For pubs yeah.

[vivid axle]

this is the endboss killing build and its not even close

[violet juniper]

dude, you have literal speedrunners telling you that your build is ass

[vestal ibex]

Wasted time and effor imo

[vivid axle]

you play on console

[violet juniper]

this guy has to be trolling

[coral reef]

its entertaining though, pls dont ban

[gentle lichen]

i mean i said so the moment it started lol

[violet juniper]

and?

[gentle lichen]

it's fun to stoke the fire though

[vivid axle]

explain to me how lovebirds get killed faster than max sticker stacks and knuckles

[magic pilot]

DCH first off

[dawn perch]

close yes. Unless momento actually provide literal invincibility, I am usually dying even with bonus armour. will die if everyone shoot at me at once.

[vestal ibex]

I mean you don't know that strat and it's not really public yet...

[magic pilot]

Sounds like a skill problem

[vivid axle]

glitchless

[gentle lichen]

let's put our heads together here youll get 200% chd from backfire why go for grupo to add that little on top of that instead of going for dtoc?

[vestal ibex]

It is glitchless.

[vivid axle]

actually true that should be sok idk why

[magic pilot]

#td2-build-advice message

[dawn perch]

I have a skill problem that is the point. People recommending me the build to help with build positioning skills.

[magic pilot]

I see I see

[vestal ibex]

I'm just curious and not comparing but what is your glitchless PB?

[magic pilot]

What's your pb with these Strats?

[vivid axle]

iirc 6:50?

[magic pilot]

Not bad

[vivid axle]

its been awhile

[worn imp]

is there builds that are mostly red but still actively intertwine the use of skills? Does anyone have any examples of what that could be? (not looking for a striker build)

[vivid axle]

red refractor

[magic pilot]

Any yellow build with capacitor

[violet juniper]

3% Regen will save you a lot more than you think it does, especially with combined HF AoK

[vivid axle]

this guy

[worn imp]

sry meant to specify that i want a DPS build that also used skills

[onyx sage]

in what capacity? cuz a dps build still uses emp sticky, decoy, shock trap, blah blah

[frozen haven]

Red Eclipse Protocol

[worn imp]

hmm... interesting. Legendary viable?

[violet juniper]

"this guy" ☝️ 🤓

[magic pilot]

You weren't wrong lol

[dawn perch]

skills and red hare sort of a pain to mix. you kind of have to cheat with momento or Ninja Backpack to get a few yellow in there. Something like some bleed/fire on OD will work

[vivid axle]

3% regen in a game where armor is functionally irrelevant

[frozen haven]

I finished a run of DUA in 17 minutes, Manning Zoo and Tidal Basin will be a problem though

[magic pilot]

With modifiers?

[violet juniper]

kneejerk response honestly lol

[dawn perch]

it is funny you say that as I think i try to assualt a cleaner's checkpoint with backfire and full blue armour regen with momento. Lets say it still fail hard. But this is hunter's fury.

[violet juniper]

that's because you ran full blue

[magic pilot]

You need upfront dmg with backfire

[vestal ibex]

hmmm. I'd say fast runs these days are probably considered low 6 runs. We now have multiple teams sub 6 glitchless too.

[vivid axle]

this was months ago im happy to concede im wrong about speedrun builds because i know very little

[magic pilot]

Me

[onyx sage]

yeah please don't use backfire for open world lol

[magic pilot]

And I'm not even a good runner

[vestal ibex]

I mean I had a 6:50 like 3 months after the incursion dropped.

[vivid axle]

my only point is that NBB is good for open world and Memento is stupid and a noob trap

[magic pilot]

Same

[vivid axle]

congratulations

[vestal ibex]

Thanks, that means a lot coming from you.

[magic pilot]

I mean you were flexing the build, but can't compete?

[vivid axle]

thanks your thanks means a lot coming from you

[worn imp]

whys that such a bad idea? when not required to minmax for raids and leggos, people should run what works the best for them.

[vivid axle]

uh it was a response to someone posting a horrible sticker build dumb duck

[onyx sage]

you're missing the context here, clearly they are running into issues

[vivid axle]

if i wanted to flex a build you should see my merciless build

[violet juniper]

😶 yeah don't do that guys...

[worn imp]

people use that gun?

[vivid axle]

ballers do

[coral reef]

show it

[violet juniper]

it's funny now with the modifiers

[worn imp]

yeah show i wanna see this

[violet juniper]

you can rattle off an entire mag in about 2 seconds and it's amazing

[dawn perch]

I would say it is a noob trap though. I do know people who can use it to great effect. However, if you hand that exotic to someone who new(er) or have some skill issue. They will just die.

[violet juniper]

that's not a noob trap, that's called a skill floor

[onyx sage]

full blues running around does not mean you're invincible, ironically because you don't kill as fast there are more adds on the table which means more damage sources towards you. don't underestimate the damage adds do to you even in open world if you don't take easy measures like taking cover

[violet juniper]

full blue basically means you go down in 3 shots instead of 2 at high difficulty

[magic pilot]

People use a bugged merciless build lol

[frozen haven]

Disregard blue cores, embrace glass cannon

[onyx sage]

based af

[magic pilot]

People who exploit do, or people who don't know better

[violet juniper]

Embrace intimidate

[vivid axle]

whats bugged about NBB

[violet juniper]

my favorite no drawback chest talent!

[vestal ibex]

Merci is bugged.

[ivory comet]

this isn't reinforcing the "only me and this guy are brewing off the wall builds"

[vivid axle]

how

[magic pilot]

Not gonna go into detail

[violet juniper]

Off the wall build, hm?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah bug talk like that in here is frowned upon. Basically it has a damage issue where it does way more than it should.

[violet juniper]

I just know you were pulling that recoil back as hard as possible lol

[vivid axle]

you know a lot of people running 3pc umbra 2pc sticker with NBB?

[gentle lichen]

and a lot shouldn't

[vivid axle]

no kidding thats my point

[violet juniper]

no, because it's ass lmao

[frozen haven]

Nah, intimidate means i need to run some form of bonus armor talent or gear, overrated

[violet juniper]

42% amp though

[vivid axle]

move the goalposts much? you asked for an off the wall build

[vestal ibex]

idk what I'm looking at here? 2 min to do a bounty?

[worn imp]

all red heartbreaker intimidate pretty cool tho i think

[violet juniper]

you know what, fair enough

I asked for off the wall trash, I got off the wall trash

[vivid axle]

500k crits from an smg at max range? again an off the wall build that clears content

[violet juniper]

Clears challenging

[dawn perch]

funny thing with momento with current gameplay (which could change). I am never able to collect the trophies until the end of the fight anyways. before the ramp up, The memento is more useless than the Ninja backpack. It might as well be empty when not ramp.

[vestal ibex]

^ was gonna say

[vivid axle]

this is literally my point

[magic pilot]

Didn't you have directives too?

[violet juniper]

just gotta be more aggressive choom

[magic pilot]

Clears content≠efficient build

[vivid axle]

the base game is nothing so NBB is fine

[violet juniper]

Mid combat it's surprisingly good, but you have to commit to either C2C or risk open running

[dawn perch]

aggression has punished me more often then not.

[coral reef]

stop this madness 😭

[vestal ibex]

idr that was like half a year or more ago now.

[vivid axle]

you people move the goalposts more than soccer teams good lord

[violet juniper]

ITS FOOTBALL

[vivid axle]

maybe in 3rd world countries

[worn imp]

found the american

[violet juniper]

Europe is 3rd world, noted

[vivid axle]

yes

[dawn perch]

football you heathen (jk)

[vestal ibex]

If your base is "it clears content" then 6 pc grey builds are good caue they have cleared legendary missions before.

[violet juniper]

I can clear solo legendary with one piece of blue gear and a pistol. Took me 3 weeks, but it cleared content!

[vivid axle]

again: my point

youre so mad youre agreeing with me

[vestal ibex]

It's a stupid point. It's just dumb.

[vivid axle]

ok use stickers then? i dont care how you play the game

[vestal ibex]

Like why would you care about builds at all if it all works regardless?

[vivid axle]

it is mad embarassing for you people to get so up in arms about me saying memento is a noob trap

which is a fact btw

[ivory comet]

you said it was worse then NBB

[vestal ibex]

Like you have 0 reason to be here or contribute if that's your point.

[magic pilot]

If the build doesn't matter who cares if they use memento

[worn imp]

typical troglodyte claim made by people who cant even find Europe on a map if they tried

[vivid axle]

in terms of usefulness it is

[violet juniper]

he's an American, what do you expect

sorry, him specifically. Not targeting all americans

[vivid axle]

yeah nobody that matters cares

[magic pilot]

It's objectively more beneficial than ninja

[vivid axle]

its not

[ivory comet]

it is.

[vestal ibex]

Mafs says otherwise.

[violet juniper]

muh spreadsheet says suck it

[worn imp]

lmfao imagine thinking knowledge of basic geography is irrelevant. You can really tell who didnt pass college lmfao.

[vivid axle]

if your argument is that grey builds can clear all content what benefit does memento provide? NBB at least provides synergies that literally would not be possible without it

its not BETTER its just more INTERESTING

[magic pilot]

3% regen, 60% WD, 35% skill efficiency, 10% bonus armor. On a full red build

[vivid axle]

grey builds can clear content. how does memento benefit this?

[magic pilot]

That's all I needed to hear

[coral reef]

and two cores for your shield! yellow and blue

[vestal ibex]

Hur dur doesn't matter it "clears content". ||This is literally your point and you reiterated that earlier.||

[violet juniper]

how does NBB benefit a grey build?

[dawn perch]

btw, is full red if you change the chestpiece

[vivid axle]

you absolutely have to be trolling. nobody even in poverty europe is this stupid

[ivory comet]

this is actually great logic.

[violet juniper]

yeah it's an old build lol

[violet juniper]

Answer the question

[coral reef]

ok he's getting too comfortable now. Officer he's right there 🫵

[ivory comet]

I'm curious to see how NBB benefits MORE than Memento in the grey build experiment.

[violet juniper]

Dude thinks I'm European too XD

[broken edge]

good to know this is the global politics chat instead of a game chat

[vivid axle]

the entire argument is that memento is so beneficial for x y and Z reasons to clear content. And if content is so easily cleared by grey grear WHO CARES? NBB at least provides avenues to try new synergies which is why its more usefull.

[ivory comet]

its definitely got BUILDS flying all over the place

[violet juniper]

Avoiding the question I see

[vivid axle]

nobody ever said that

[violet juniper]

The ragebaiting has done a 180 apparently

[vivid axle]

you slandered me as an "american" first lmao

[broken edge]

in discussion how to play the game, nobody can tell you how to play it. In discussion of using A over B, you should be willing ot understand not everyone will agree

[dawn perch]

could we rephase this question then? How about what if you gave this to an absolute noob? Could they effectively use that piece or will they get kill a lot with it?

[vivid axle]

who cares? what is a discussion if not talking about disagreements

[violet juniper]

noobs will use Memento and die because they don't understand what it does. Noobs will use NBB and die because they think they understand how it works

[vivid axle]

it didnt get hostile until the xbox user chimed in

[broken edge]

well when i'm seeing people throwing some insults and trying to involve politics it's better to tone it down

[ivory comet]

You made those two claims. "NBB is more beneficial than Memento." and then "How does Memento benefit a grey build?" with the context that it doesn't.

So now, it's on you. Show how NBB is more beneficial than Memento in your OWN CREATED scenario of being on a grey build.

[vivid axle]

NBB is more beneficial in the context of it makes the game more open to bizarre builds that are not possible without it.

[violet juniper]

watch him start talking about something completely different

[ivory comet]

thats called moving the goal posts.

[violet juniper]

called it

[vivid axle]

this is also not what i said like, at all