td2-build-advice

[alpine tinsel]

Cuz ngl adding some armor regen attributes is really not a bad idea at all lol

[subtle bluff]

The I haven't used the modifier yet. So in sense I'm nerf it atm but ya

[subtle bluff]

Ya I sitll don't do that when even in leggo missions

[burnt hornet]

Armr Regen is a wasted stat

[gentle lichen]

again base chd can help your initial damage alot cause you still need to stack for at least 4 seconds for damage to be good

[solar prairie]

How do you even do the resist 1m damage with zealot

[cerulean smelt]

i'm imagining full level 5, provator exotic chest and aegis gear set/

[gentle lichen]

add eagle bearer + defender drone

birdie DR after rez too?

[cerulean smelt]

so purposely go down in a group. have your buddy pick you up with birdie?

[solar prairie]

but you dont take damage at all

[cerulean smelt]

eagle bearer you still take the damage, those 3 kills would be extremely important with taht 1million damage on the line

[solar prairie]

I mean when zealot is active, you are immune to damage until a certain point

[gentle lichen]

just to stack damage reduction to max it wouldnt make sense practically

[solar prairie]

Also this hit 5 targets with zelot expire, im not srue where to find that many mobs in close proximity lol

[cerulean smelt]

i meant, you go down. get picked up with birdies and hit zealot and go ham and taking as much damage as possible

[solar prairie]

wow thats a lot of steps for a season journey

How about the damage 5 enemies with the final explosion, any good spots to do this?

[gentle lichen]

perhaps near spawn doors?

[solar prairie]

Made it work on fenderal emergency bunk

[toxic frigate]

is PFE only capped at 12% per mod?

[solar prairie]

13%

[toxic frigate]

damn

[solar prairie]

thats the ultimate unicorn in the game, some have 2k hours with 6pcs, other have 5k hrs and not a single one.

[toxic frigate]

im still looking for 10% bleed res like 2pcs

[violet juniper]

This is my unicorn

[solar prairie]

I have discarded a few of those before realizing it, CHC/CHD.

[solar prairie]

I have found an easier solution, equip 6 blues, have unbreakable, defender drone and chem/hive heal and stand in the middle of legendary DUA entrance. ( not sure if unbreakable is mandator but its all I had) This also accomplishes the hit 5 targets.

[honest moss]

On LMGs, would dta still be better than dth when going for damage output? I know usually you want chc. Wondering if dth has any potential.

[solar sable]

well, not everything has armor, like tanks and warhounds, so unless you're not fighting against those you can use it but it's not as great if you're crit starved

[honest moss]

Gotcha, thanks!

[subtle bluff]

The story is having more CHC you'll be able to have more CHD. You might be able to get away with RoF which is worth more than DTA/DTH but the right LMG would make it.
If you want to check this I am just making a bunch of video's atm go get on HE LMG use the DPS Spreadsheet in the Pinned Messages.

[toxic frigate]

there's no specialization with armor on kill bonus right?

[subtle bluff]

Gunner

[toxic frigate]

oh

[meager fog]

Not everything has armour, just like not everything has a head.

DTA for example doesnt apply to chungas or robotics

Their armour plates are classed as health

[hazy steeple]

If you want a quick guide to if something has armour: does it have a white bar over its health? If yes: has armour.

If no and is a heavy/robot: probably has "plating", which when broken, does direct health damage.

Although for this season, I highly recommend you turn on the Rupert's Tear passive modifier, and watch those heavy's die in seconds.

[cerulean smelt]

why couldn't you?

[cerulean smelt]

can we cut you some slack?

[subtle bluff]

Tipping chest is like Strikers chest.
Use an Obli chest

[cerulean smelt]

Average players build seemed decent 🤔 mask,backpack, holster, knees, contrator's gloves, forget what chest but i'm thinking probably ceska with obliterate on it

[subtle bluff]

GC

[cerulean smelt]

oh right

[subtle bluff]

I know what he did

[cerulean smelt]

so you know what he did last summer huh? 😹

[subtle bluff]

In hard mission and stuff this feel alright I do not like this is heroic mission so far

I think that's when I met him

[cerulean smelt]

nice nice. him, me and local did some retals then he's like "did you run leg zoo?" thought i did, but apparently i never did and got my giraffe thanks to him carrying me all the way through it lol

what i currently run. been moving that ceska piece around. trying to level up zealot since i'm done with Advanced Materials and True Sons (level 5)

and no scales mask yet 😭

[subtle bluff]

I saw some of it

No need for ACS12. Turoil here either will be good or bad. Just make sure your CHC at 60

It's reallly important with Tipps

btw is that with the weapon changed to your LMG?

is your the weapon in hand for the stats you want to look at.

Just making sure for you

Because I see players get that wrong a lot

when they don't have there primary in the 1 slot

I was mostly ask for bluescreen

anyways just noting it for you

[gentle lichen]

Sure if you can upkeep the stacks

[subtle bluff]

IMO it easier than striker in leggo since you're normally shooting for longer time.

IDK haven't used it yet in there but I am having problem with it's stacks in heroics.. I have to slow down because I have no stacks from the start of each encounter..

[cerulean smelt]

you'll have to ask Averageplayer what he thought when i ran it in zoo

[subtle bluff]

I've ran in master

[gentle lichen]

i think i caught into the last part of stream
it was pretty effective with BK i'll say

[fervent kelp]

no

[gentle lichen]

not nearly...

[subtle bluff]

this is not new... BF and Umbra...

[slender mirage]

I was low key excited for tipping scales but it turns out ongoing directive version is consistently effective damage wise than full stacks of TS with chest and backpack 👀 what am I missing?

[wintry fiber]

So I’ve recently discovered my love for the pestilence in pve does anyone have any good recommendations for a build

[shy willow]

You're running a blue in addition to the new brand being dead on arrival

[magic pilot]

The spreadsheet has pesti builds

[patent fossil]

Blue core, no expertise, suboptimal HE brand piece, suboptimal lmg talents

You've already got a ton of crit from the gearset so taking crit talents like killer and strained won't get you as big buffs as things like measured and frenzy

[honest moss]

Imho ditch the chest for oblit/gc. Extra stacks aren't that huge of an increase vs the hassle.

I run mine with BK but for talents i'd go optimist/frenzy or like kettle said. Maybe you could flatline work too but gunner helps with ammo a lot.

[tired falcon]

in case anyone was wondering if a NBB loadout can work in retaliation, at least solo anyway, I can confirm the following:
3 striker
2 brazos, one as vest with Obliterate, other pecaros
revive hive and healer drone
bluescreen primary, socomm mk16 with Preservation talent as secondary
modifiers enabled

I completed a Hyenas retaliation solo on heroic with the fog of war global directive enabled (since the npc modifier icons already tell you where they are anyway)

[hazy steeple]

The thing is, of course you can use NBB in a mode if you can handle it.
the reason people say that it's such a bad piece is that it takes up a slot that is generally incredibly powerful, and replaces it with a worse option, so you can get other minor bonuses.

e.g. in this case, Striker's backpack is fantastic, and one of the few times you can justify to replace it is with Memento, which gives the 3 cores that NBB does, but frankly absurd extra bonuses based on its Talent.

With your build, you get the 3 cores, +50% mag size, and nothing else.

And just to compare directly: even the lesser buff with Memento is worth it, it's not like it's only OP if you max it out.

[tired falcon]

notice I said can work; not every mention of nbb has to turn into a sermon for phucks sake

[strong cave]

I mean, they're giving you and anyone else reading pretty important info. This is a public discord

[vestal ibex]

I mean if that's your idea then there is not need to ask, any grey backpack build would work so yeah NBB would too.

[strong cave]

People look at Ninjabike as the end all be all piece alot of times if they're newbies or don't understand builds. Helps to put that information here for others that don't understand. If you do understand and wanna use it, by all means feel free

We ain't telling you not to 🤷

[hazy steeple]

As this channel is called "build advice", you are going to get advice if you talk about builds.
You are welcome to go to another server if you don't want to follow in the spirit of this place.

[mental tangle]

How

[vestal ibex]

Just gotta tinker the numbers a bit ya know.

[mental tangle]

Ah ok

[gentle lichen]

say that again

[slender mirage]

@honest moss thank you both for your inputs!

[violet juniper]

Mostly reddit users who think NBB is this "so wow, much awesome" gear piece ool

"it's like tinkerer, you can experiment" except for that tinkerer is .. actually a good gear piece

[meager fog]

Gives bad advice in a build channel and gets arsey when told it's bad advice 🤣

[hushed gorge]

whats NBB man?

[meager fog]

Ninja Bike messenger Back Pack

[hushed gorge]

oh
the bag that gives you +1 brand set/gear set bonus

[rocky cape]

Some improves?

[patent fossil]

Gr9 mag a bit big for frenzy, it'll run out well before you need to reload

[tired falcon]

looks pretty good as is. You may want to try talent combination of steady handed and measured if you don't want to have to reload

[rocky cape]

okey

but i see other agents with 500 critical dmg an i only have 180 idk

[patent fossil]

It stacks up as you fire, that's the gearset talent

Just make sure you have 60% crit chance or you'll be losing out on a lot of damage

[vestal ibex]

Yeah pretty sure with that set if you end up a couple % over cap it would be better than being 57-59% too.

[subtle bluff]

Don’t use chest. Kinda treat the chest like strikers chest.

[rapid arrow]

Nah you always need more!!!

[coral reef]

how much damage are you doing per critical hit shot, with all of those blue cores?

[subtle bluff]

These CHD numbers aren’t the first time we’ve seen this BF umbra people did before this.

[rapid arrow]

Like 640 - 643 k

[cerulean smelt]

i believe it was the same guy that was spouting "I love umbra bf so much!" then post another build picture and we tried to edumacate them on how to get it better but they didn't want to hear it despite posting these builds in builds-advice

[subtle bluff]

Umbra is just a pita to keep the stacks up.

That playstyle is pita

[cerulean smelt]

nods not a fan of the whole take cover for a few seconds. leave cover for a few seconds

[rapid arrow]

Oh right when I posted something on a build I like and the first thing you say is something corny to try to be funny, then when you find out I was enjoying the build and not hating it you then deside to "give me advice" after going back and forth with your buddy hating for no reason. I'm new to building the mechanics in this game and all I'm doing is posting what I've made in my journey on becoming a better agent, but we have people like you who sit here all day and ruin the vibes because you're bored

[cerulean smelt]

see what i mean @subtle bluff same person from before. you're in the #td2-build-advice where people come to get advice on builds. if you want to post builds you enjoy complete with pictures/videos there's #ask-td2-community but you do you

[rapid arrow]

Wow it's like talking to a brick wall

[hazy steeple]

Okay everyone, time to chill.

[rapid arrow]

Whatever dawg just feel free to not respond to any of my posts pls🙏🏾

[subtle bluff]

UH..

There's no context of someone looking for advice that i can see. If there just showing off idk i can do my gif meme...

[rapid arrow]

Chow what channel is this?

[cerulean smelt]

alrighty. 30% ROF from season modifier makes this ridiculous. like i got a bigger more accurate vector lol

[gentle lichen]

This carried over to iron horse/legendaries
Non-glitched Speeders are malding atm

[cerulean smelt]

seriously?!

[gentle lichen]

Had 1200 rpm on my lex in iron horse today

[cerulean smelt]

wow, that's another level of ridiculous
does gunner give some rof too?
think there's the kill one isn't there?

[gentle lichen]

I am quite certain rupert's tear didn't work but the movement speed one where you hit a rusher actually works LMAO

[cerulean smelt]

here i was hoping with the agitation meter the pestilence tick would average 1million

[gentle lichen]

I'm not sure what works and what does not but go off and try stuff!

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just trying to get the zealot level to 5 so i can work on sanitation

[gentle lichen]

Sanitation is so goated i love it
You get elmo cc on your weapon ezpz

[cerulean smelt]

was telling average i feel stupid not leveling that up over advanced materials

[solid hound]

anything i can improve? I know I did top dmg but i feel like i could be doing better. farming mats for optimizing the things i need still. SHD calibration and field recon data farming sucks and takes forever.

[cerulean smelt]

2nd screenshot don't help us
are you 60ish% chc with it as is?

[subtle bluff]

Why are we repeating ourselves here? Either you want helps or advice on a build or tbf I don’t really care.
It’s all I do here. Maybe some joking around and arguments like this but general I am here to help or talk with players about build stuff.
Repeating myself: If there is no context to a picture or post I tend not to be helpful.
End story on this with you.

[solid hound]

46.2%

[coral reef]

you need to hit 60% son

[subtle bluff]

Drop chest.

It’s the same idea as strikers.

[solid hound]

aight, i still have some things to optimize, but i dont think i can hit cap with everything maxed. should i mod in CHC instead of CHD?

[subtle bluff]

Get Ceska Chest

Bluescreen is has no Crit mods on it. So you need stats into CHC a lot more.

CHD stats won’t matter as much since you’re building it.

[solid hound]

i have a bullet king with 9.5% CHC

[cerulean smelt]

i saw average player running something like this but with glass cannon and a different weapon
this has been working for me for the most part so far

[coral reef]

also, I think the RPM on Bluescreen is not enough for Tipping Scales. It's more of a slow dance, works better with Negotiators Dilemma for example. With Tipping Scales you need a fast hitting weapon.

[coral reef]

god, not the Stoner please lol. Love it but also not cut for tipping scales

[solid hound]

i was using pesti for a while but i switched it to bluescreen for the cc and higher mag size

im counting on those turmoil kneepads tomorrow lol

[subtle bluff]

Tipping in care about RPM. The stacks build more or less from Trigger time

[cerulean smelt]

most of the day yestrday or the day before i never gotten a mask to try it with so i was using all kind of ceska in various places

[subtle bluff]

Reloading you will lose stacks without anything else.

Dunno why I replied to that one.

[rapid arrow]

To answer my own question I post here for advice. Even if I'm not actively asking for it under the context that I'm posting in the advice channel obviously I'm looking for advice. I would love your help instead of you constantly shitting on me for no apparent reason. Let's restart and let's put this all behind us yeah?

[coral reef]

don't fall into that trap please

[solid hound]

i just wanna try em

[cerulean smelt]

i even tried that, felt lack luster so i went with normal ceska knees

[solid hound]

i'll probably switch back to these WHC ones, or Petrov. haven't decided yet.

[cerulean smelt]

bounced between stoner and GR9 honestly. stoner just feels better than GR9

[solid hound]

I have contractor gloves, too. Might try to find a pair of exotic kneepads

or go back to coyote mask and put tipping scales in a different slot

[rapid arrow]

Tipping scales is not bad for lmg dmg. But is ongoing directive better for overall dps?

[cerulean smelt]

yo!, i wasn't done looking at your picture T_T

[coral reef]

you need an RPM monster, try the Military MK46 or Military MK46 Replica. Amazing damage, rpm and 100 bullets. 200 with Tipping Scale and the Gunner Mag

[magic pilot]

Work in progress lol

[coral reef]

I will tell a story about this. I saw this build posted yesterday, and i was so happy, because it was the very same I "created" or figured out by myself. ITS EVOLVING

[gentle lichen]

I'll say if you have stacking issues use ceska chest obliterate

-# most times with this set you will face stacking and decay issues

[magic pilot]

I'm not sure if I'm keeping contractors yet

But ceska chest is here to stay

[coral reef]

only without Glass Cannon of course because i'm a below average player, just good old Obliterate

[magic pilot]

That works too

[rapid arrow]

I see but doesn't that drop my dps since I'm not getting as much stacks? Or is it an equal trade?

[magic pilot]

Also don't think I'm going to keep iron lung, I enjoy it but I barely utilize the fire

[rapid arrow]

Yeah that's for sure 😹. It takes forever to build then it decays hella fast

[gentle lichen]

It will lose sure but ask yourself are you consistently above 50 stacks?

[magic pilot]

Glass chest would be more dmg

[rapid arrow]

Very true you're right. Bet thanks for the advice Ima do some experimenting

[coral reef]

i'm even using the exact same two guns as you! Instead of reloading, i switch to the other one and keep the party going

[rapid arrow]

Yeah but Id just die in two bullets to a regular enemy 😹💔

[magic pilot]

So same as normal

[magic pilot]

This is completely useless

[solid hound]

idk how to catch it without the thing going down lmao

[magic pilot]

You don't the range doesn't function properly

[coral reef]

put this on a pinned message lol I always use the range to test things

[magic pilot]

#td2-build-advice message

[solid hound]

yeah the dps seems busted since im hitting stacks of 1.2-1.4m

[magic pilot]

Check that video out

[gentle lichen]

Check range for damage numbers only imo not dps

[magic pilot]

Even damage numbers can be off

Dodge city, and firewall shield don't work properly in the range

[gentle lichen]

That's weird

[magic pilot]

Dodge city gives double headshot dmg in the range and firewall shield just doesn't work sometimes

[rapid arrow]

I'd rather die in 5 bullets quick peeking from cover rather than 2

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/mNk-qwZL35M?si=afsOTdDc8KU53SQY

Highly highly recommend this video

If you are running all red there's essentially no difference with glass cannon vs without

[rapid arrow]

Bet I'll check this out later

[magic pilot]

The glass cannon drawbacks are all a figment of our imaginations

[gentle lichen]

Hope things are going better for him actually

[magic pilot]

I hope so too

[coral reef]

say no more, changing to GC tonight

dies

[rapid arrow]

With that mentality you'll be able to solo any legendary. I might have to adopt this level of thinking

[gentle lichen]

It's been done 👍 believe in your skills and your build

-# and don't forget to corner peek

[magic pilot]

Exactly

[coral reef]

There is a madman here that "group solos" (he just carry everyone) Legendary Zoo and Tidal Basin. makes it look like story mode. And he uses Glass Cannon

[hazy steeple]

Have the kind of confidence in yourself as that youtuber does in using the "reactor face" in something as niche as a div2 skill video.

[magic pilot]

When I first started everyone recommended the high end raid build with PGC, I died over and over again

I still die a ton, people just don't like to accept wiping is a huge part of learning what you can pull off and what you can't

[gentle lichen]

The game cannot ragebait me 😌

[magic pilot]

I'm sure @onyx sage has died thousands of times before clearing zoo for the first time

[cerulean smelt]

and now has it down to a science of how to carry people through it

[gentle lichen]

Go'ed

[magic pilot]

Solo carry 3 people at that

[coral reef]

i heard he's 7 feet tall and uses a LMG in each hand

[red island]

@hexed steppe did u update ur mortar build on evernote ? my old link is dead

[cerulean smelt]

i hate you (> <) gave the gun a go and loving it lol

[wary forge]

Banshe vs vector vs mpx for PVE???

[subtle bluff]

vector

[subtle bluff]

We stopped using evernote

USe his bio or the gear sheet

[red island]

aight

[coral reef]

Try it with the Large Suppressor that gives +30% Accuracy and it will feel even more amazing

[red island]

also do npc have burn resistance ? or is the shotgun from firewall only for pvp ?

[subtle bluff]

The biggest different between the 2 builds is Uptime at peak DPS.

[onyx sage]

2 months before i got my first zoo solo

[onyx sage]

duo zoo with me

[coral reef]

its an honor to softem them up for you boss

[cerulean smelt]

nah, just do what i do. make it harder for Average (> <) give him a challenge

[hexed steppe]

Most guides were transfered to Google docs. Evernote is kinda a pita when not subscribed. My profile has my daily drivers linked. And my full guides are linked there. Also in the pinned sheet too

[hexed steppe]

Thank you

[cerulean smelt]

but i want locals youtube/twitch link! XD j/k

[hexed steppe]

Average player using you as a human shield too

[red island]

got it thanks

im trolling around with some build, sometimes i wonder why its not that bad lmao

right now tinkerer is very funny

[onyx sage]

nah i always get carried

[stable tree]

💀

[onyx sage]

it's true sir

[subtle bluff]

None that's for normal use.
2pcs of Hotshot gives more.

[hexed steppe]

Good combo would be marking it as junk+donate all junk in expertise.
Very powerful

[marsh nebula]

Started playing again recently after a break. I'm running a pretty much perfect strikers build with st. elmos. Today I got the ouroboros and the lexington should be coming in soon. Should I swap out the st. elmos? If yes, for which one? Is there some other weapon that would be better? Trying to squeeze out every last bit of damage I can

[subtle bluff]

there's a point where adding something to give utility is good too.

[cerulean smelt]

think lexington got a tad nerf at some point

[red island]

wait we dont have a speedrunner setup in the spreadsheet

[onyx sage]

because we're all casual players

[red island]

i think only you are

[onyx sage]

if anyone plays better than average they must be cheating

[red island]

preach

oh, we dont have the leagues anymore right ? so no point doing speedruns ?

[onyx sage]

but anyways it depends on the content

yeah don't think they continued the league-style mission speedrun event last season either

[red island]

i wanted to do also a melee build but there isnt really many pieces for that and even all of them combined dont do any damage lol

[subtle bluff]

Kind of sad we don't have them anymore. I'd like them leaving it there.

[red island]

i wish we had more movement speed buffs gear

[dreamy valve]

Glass cannon has become less and less relevant over the years due to power creep and alternate sources of additional damage without its drawbacks. I still use it on one of my dps build though, so it’s still got a niche play

[wanton epoch]

Which build should I go with? I play on heroic. I like the 200 striker stack but obliterate is also nice lol

[coral reef]

Ahhh the infamous blue core backfire striker... the forbidden fruit

[wanton epoch]

Lmao it gets the job done 😂

[subtle bluff]

Getting the job done faster and have less of chance of things shoot you is better.

[broken edge]

would say obliterate

[magic pilot]

I still run glass

[shy willow]

Glass is still like top 3 chest talents

Amps all outgoing damage gives it quite an edge

[spare harness]

im an all red backfire enjoyer 🥹

[solar sable]

at least it's not hazpro

[hexed steppe]

definitely not niche. there are very few dps that wouldnt benefit from glass, OD and HB being the 2 i would use the set chest

[solar prairie]

Is Stoner the best in slot LMG?

[cerulean smelt]

kawaiizilla didn't like me using it, told me to try some mk something? either the actual gun or the replica crafted

[hexed steppe]

glass does make blue cores irrelevant tho

[dreamy valve]

This is based on my own anecdotal observations with public matchmaking btw over the years. I do think it is niche to the general population of players due to how the talent works. Most would rather use Obliterate for their dps builds

[solar prairie]

So Classic M60 then?

[hexed steppe]

i disagree. someone choosing not to use because it scares them doesnt make it any less effective or unusable. when i think niche i think rav, tank builds, oxi builds, stuff that really only have a few applications.
if everyone is running around with oblit strikers, then every one of them would see a dps boost on glass.

kinda makes it bis rather than niche

[cerulean smelt]

as Kawaiizilla suggested

i used the GR9 at first, then got a stoner and gave it a whirl. so i'm guessing any non exotic LMG would work honestly

[hexed steppe]

this for a tinkerer setup

[dreamy valve]

Oh yes, I don't disagree with the dps boost, but my term for niche is the amount of players who would be using the talent over another. Maybe less popular would have been a better term. I will have to stand by my observation that more players will use another dps talent over glass for whatever reason it may be.

[cerulean smelt]

if they don't use glass i'd say it's a fear. but whoever posted DOD's vidoe on it was pretty spot on with how much damage one takes using the perfect/normal/obliterate and how many bullets it took

[dreamy valve]

the fear can definately be assuaged with soemthing like Exodus gloves imo

[hexed steppe]

thats fair, we use niche a bit different. there is definitely stigma against glass regardless if someone ever tried it

and it isnt popular because of that

[cerulean smelt]

plus thinkt he wording scares them a whole lot
25%/30% more damage i do
but i take 50%/60% more damage with npcs already doing a ton of damage as is. yeah i'll stick to obliterate (> <)

[dreamy valve]

Glass cannon is indeed not a one size fits all playstyle. Like in Warhammer 40k, Not everyone likes to play as Eldar as opposed to another faction like Deathguard

[cerulean smelt]

i had a guy take me under his wing. told me to wear sacrifice/gift/1 providence, fox's and contractor's. it's helped me play a lot better than i used to XD

[hexed steppe]

my current mains all use glass atm , but i used oblit more until it got nerfed...

[cerulean smelt]

so true, it's not a be all thing to use. i got bored of using it. so i moved to try making other kinds of builds

[hexed steppe]

been rocking a pesti build so far this season, glass is mandatory.
nego glass is mandatory especially if using rifle.
mortar mandatory glass

[cerulean smelt]

i'm curious on that pesti build

[hexed steppe]

i dont want to hear about Caesar's guard today
pesti is pretty good. i want more handling

[cerulean smelt]

do i want to know what happend with ceasar's guard?

[hexed steppe]

no i figured you would counter my glass mortar with it

just being jerky , all

i dont have a ss of it, ill have to log

nvm i do, just not saved to pc

hollowman/sacrifice/contractors, rest are generic chc/chd rolled

i think i swapped the lex to killer, but i never use it anyways

[shy willow]

How comes yaahl

[onyx sage]

remember guys. the average player uses glass

[onyx sage]

i know yaahl aint got to do shit

[shy willow]

Sir the average player not the average player

[gentle lichen]

Probs more luck with ceska holster and foxes' but this is maxing ticks?

[buoyant perch]

👉🏼 😎

[hexed steppe]

hollowman ,14% damage to health, 2pc 10%weapon damage

2pc wh wd+ dta, contractors dta+lmg damage. i can compress it with ninja, but vigi too good

max ticks for around 1.18 on health, 1.34 on armor. its a wip tho, i need to farm out the new gearset still

[hexed steppe]

idk what max ticks can be. im sure it can get higher. i think foxes might be a down grade since ill lose the wd from yaahl. can partially supplement with a 3rd wh for dth and 1pc ia for 5%wd maybe.. this working pretty decent, but reload kills me... especially after using bluescreen a ton

[rapid arrow]

For sure. So my 1st question would be which of the two has the highest dps? And 2nd which is more viable to run to grind missions

[subtle bluff]

TS vs OD right?

[rapid arrow]

yeah

[subtle bluff]

OD doesn't need to stack and it's at peak DPS once you have Hollow point rounds.
TS you need to build stacks for a bit to get to peak DPS. TS is higher peak DPS.

[lavish grail]

what skills and talents go with a vindicator build? @ me to reply

[subtle bluff]

Not worth to use.

[lapis latch]

good morning guys. today i tried to do the climax mission from last season for the mask. but i am not able to start it. i can select it from the legacy manhunts but when i teleport there the mission wont start. any wokaround? cheers!

ah just saw that the mission is deactivated by the team -.-

[solar sable]

yeah it's because of a glitch

[lapis latch]

so sad, can the mask drop in other mission where masks can drop?

[solar sable]

nope

[lapis latch]

-.-

so i wait for reactivation -.- than u for the info

[ionic scaffold]

Has anyone tried the overdogs with ND and is it better than coyote in the build?

[frigid nimbus]

Hmmm? I just a random turmoil dropped into my mailbox

[hazy steeple]

It was due today, so that makes sense.

[frigid nimbus]

Ah, I see

Why did we get free turmoils?

[hazy steeple]

You got a Turmoil and Lex from getting to 130 and 150 on the Season Pass last Season.

[frigid nimbus]

Should've waited to ask I guess...

[hazy steeple]

I'm a fast typer.
since this is build advice, I advise you to use it on a hotshot determined setup.

[frigid nimbus]

Been there

Any good ways to use the lexington outside of generic assault rifle dps builds?

[solar sable]

uhhh no? not really

[frigid nimbus]

I love making meme builds so I wanted to ask

Like my DPS Shield Build

[hazy steeple]

It is the most generic AR dps gun that ever existed.
You could use it with a HB tank setup, IIRC it can take the laser pointer.

but its main purpose is to shoot things, it's not a complicated gun. and it even drops pre-godrolled.

[frigid nimbus]

I ran Turmoil with Ouro for shits n giggles

[toxic frigate]

Does Turmoil with Backfire even work since its a ceska pc

[subtle bluff]

um yes?

Work?

[toxic frigate]

is it efficient even

[subtle bluff]

You're doing 1/2 dmg to your target you're shooting at.

If that target is shooting you and takes double the time to kill him now....

[toxic frigate]

yeah, nah think imma just go normal one

[stark flicker]

Is 51chc 121chd good for shd 800?

Max chc and chd on watch

[strong cave]

Aim for 55 for best case

Depends on the build ofc

[stark flicker]

Running coyote

[strong cave]

Keep distance and if not possible go for 55

[stark flicker]

4pc striker bp and chest coyote and ceska holster with chc and chd

[strong cave]

Not every target can be killed at distance but every target can be at close range

[strong cave]

Why the chest tho

[stark flicker]

Don't have the bp for the other pieces on my xbox acc

[strong cave]

Fair enough. What is your primary?

[stark flicker]

Lex with strained

[strong cave]

All CHC mods?

[stark flicker]

Chd

[strong cave]

For the gun?

[stark flicker]

I have 2 chc mods I don't have the chc barrel or the biggest mag

[strong cave]

Go for that CHC muzzle and that mag. Then ofc put the CHC muzzle on and the mag and you should be set

[stark flicker]

I'm using the +accuracy barrel and the small mag

[strong cave]

For rn 51 will work if you play distance

[stark flicker]

Kk

I might have the bp's not entirely sure tho

[strong cave]

Work with what you got. The game rewards time

[magic pilot]

It's more build dependant than anything

[stark flicker]

4pc striker bp chest coyote ceska holster

[magic pilot]

Like if this is striker I would say it's good, but for high end no

[magic pilot]

Yea that's pretty solid

[stark flicker]

Yeah this is striker plus I'm not nearly max on my chc and chd stufd

Most of my chc are 4.6 and I have a lot of 10-10.6chd

[magic pilot]

Instead of strained id go killer or measured

Measured for group, killer for solo

[stark flicker]

Kk

Am I crazy or does advanced material actually go kinda nuts with tots

[magic pilot]

Haven't tried it yet, what does it do

[stark flicker]

Infinite spec weapon ammo spec weapon dmg buff and a 1.5x buff against named

[hazy steeple]

Advanced Materiel.

[stark flicker]

Ty riv

[magic pilot]

Oh yea tots HH is back

I already have the pieces

[hazy steeple]

I eagerly await the math nerds to do all the hard work so I can just steal the build.

[stark flicker]

I wanna try out tots china

[magic pilot]

Is that one of the active buffs?

[stark flicker]

China light

For explosives damage

[magic pilot]

Not what I meant

[stark flicker]

Gonna make the black tusk grenadiers know how it feels

[magic pilot]

Is it a passive modifier or active

[stark flicker]

Oh yeah it's an active buff

[magic pilot]

Depending on how much you can use it might be good

[hazy steeple]

that's lvl 1.

[stark flicker]

45 sec duration and 60 sec cooldown

[magic pilot]

Otherwise I'm just gonna run HHF with tac-50

[stark flicker]

I wanna see a pfe tank with minigun build

[hazy steeple]

Having only really tried Sanitation so far, I think I can safely say that I'm going to be sad when this Season is over.

[stark flicker]

Zealot is nuts

It ohko's hunters on challenging

At lvl 1

Tbh I might use it to cheese the masks

[obtuse crystal]

It probably won’t work against the group of 4 tho

[hoary atlas]

Is anyone Know which Gear Set suitable for Master Difficulty?

[obtuse crystal]

atleast when i did it we did 3 strikers and one healer using fi

[hoary atlas]

I Use 4 Striker 1 Belstone Chest with Unbreakable and one Exodus Gloves

[obtuse crystal]

youll get more dps using the way its built from the pinned sheet

[hoary atlas]

3 Armor 3 Damage on my build

Lemme check Pinned sheet

[magic pilot]

Yea I'd recommend going with a healer or CC as 4 player

Otherwise just an all red striker, with chest if you can keep stacks up

[hoary atlas]

I see

Thanks for tips

[toxic frigate]

is the best way to farm certain named gear is still the countdown with brandset target loot?

[magic pilot]

Named weapons can drop from certain missions

[toxic frigate]

uh im seeking Henri

[magic pilot]

UPDATED NAMED ITEM DROP LIST

Camp White Oak: Pyromaniac, Mechanical Animal, Kingbreaker.
The Pentagon: New Reliable.
DARPA Research Labs: Lefty.
Roosevelt Island: White Death.
Manning National Zoo: White Death.
Coney Island: Burn Out, Born Great.
Tidal Basin: Dare, Big Show.
Coney Island Ballpark: Tabula Rasa, Carnage.
Bank Headquarters: Cabaret, Grown Great, Swap Chain.
Capitol Hill: Safety Distance, Emeline's Guard, Cold Relations, Apartment.
Viewpoint Museum: Cuelebre, Tsunami
Disctrict Union Arena: Baker's Dozen, Stage Left.
Space Administration HQ: Ekim's Long Stick, Designated Hitter, Scalpel.
Air & Space Museum: Prophet.
Plaza: Invisible Hand, Glory Daze, Test Subject.
Jefferson Trade Center: Quiet Roar.
Federal Emergency Bunker: Boomstick, Backup Boomstick, The Mop.
American History Museum: Surge, Artist's Tool.
Potomac Event Center: Relic, Commando.
Grand Washington Hotel: Lightning Rod.

DROPS STILL SUBJECT TO RNG.

Thanks to @rain kite for compiling.

[magic pilot]

Countdown then

Or do retaliation for reconstructed caches and try to get the blueprint

2 retaliations gets you 1 cache

[toxic frigate]

where to see the cache again

[hazy steeple]

You can add Apartment to Capitol Hill.
I got a dozen of them during the Summer Swarm from whatshisface.

[magic pilot]

Crafting bench

[magic pilot]

Yea list is a little old, I'll edit it on

[toxic frigate]

how many turmoil you want

A: yes

[hazy steeple]

The great thing is that if you use one, it deletes the other.
So economical!

[toxic frigate]

realest

[hazy steeple]

no rush, i was just being petty.

[magic pilot]

0

Remove it from the game already

[spare harness]

so what is seeming to be the more reliable dps active modifier for like.. striker per say or is it one of those whatever floats your boat type of things?

[hazy steeple]

If you plan on getting close regularly, Sanitisation is hard to put aside.
Just "if Imperial Dynasty was good".
Is there better options? Probably. Is there more fun options? I reapeat: fire.

[spare harness]

fire is really really funny

[toxic frigate]

I hate Rikers tank, so i really like the flash cam

[hazy steeple]

Put on Rupter's Tear this Season, never take it off.

Heavies die so fast they might as well be Rushers.

[toxic frigate]

^

both batter up and stepping stone also pretty good

[hazy steeple]

Had a Heroic Kill Squad last night, 2 chainsaws.
I 1-magged them with an OD Tink, with having enough bullets before a reload for 1+1/2 of their buddies.

[toxic frigate]

kinda hate faction based one

[hazy steeple]

Literally did not release the trigger the entire time.
The spirit of Gunner is alive and well.

[restive haven]

hi guys, I am playing for a while but only have a half-baked one shot build. Could someone suggest me a build that can run endgame solo and is more an all arounder build ? Using AR is prefered.

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet linked in the pins that has a whole bunch of great build guides.
Striker is the standard that copes well with all content and is simple to use

[cerulean smelt]

Localdeck's profile has a few builds as well. i took inspiration from his Hybrid Skill build to come up with a broken one from 3 palisades/2 arcabuz and memento with capacitor

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine you've been loving scorched earth?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd imagine if you're the crusader/striker shield user a level 5 advanced materials would be up your alley since activating it at level 5 overcharges your shield to be invincible for a period of time

so, i think it was a DJ TIckle video i watched for the journeys and in there i think he mentioned leveling up the active modifiers you get 1 xp per kill while having one of the 5 active modifiers equipped and 150 per specific faction retaliation. is people kind of doing both to quickly level their active modifiers?

[hybrid olive]

That hasn't happened to me (yet)

[meager fog]

It's been fixed, so it won't hopefully.

I really hope you didn't tag the AI there...

[strong cave]

Ceska but swap intimidate with obliterate

[cerulean smelt]

do you have 50-60% crit chance with either of them on? then it's personal choice. otherwise stick to ceska like Fiftysdeath says

[strong cave]

Ceska

You're insanely Crit starved with Grupo

Make sure you swap intimidate to obliterate on Ceska

No

I wish there was, personally. Considering we can craft Grupo chest and Ceska backpack 💀

Target ceska and matchmake on Countdown. Challenging difficulty

Countdown > Summit

[subtle bluff]

Floor 90 is always a good too

[strong cave]

For efficiency, go with Countdown since nearly all pools of loot will drop whatever you have targeted

Floor 90 ain't too bad tbh

[cerulean smelt]

congrats and lucky! i don't know how many runs i did to get mine finally. not looking forward to running it again so i can put glass cannon on it

[jagged stump]

I am still trying to obtain an unicorn one 😄

[onyx sage]

me with like 10 ceska chests now

[jagged stump]

Decent high rolls too?

Looks like you can also re-roll the talent to what you want.

Yeah, but you can swap it when you want, which is nice

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't it go from 3 to 5 targets? can try it to see if you can use it well

[violet juniper]

I might be onto something here

[onyx sage]

nope

[sick schooner]

is Care Taker good weapon ?

[cerulean smelt]

it's interesting

[sick schooner]

how was it compare to other meta weapon, like M4 (tinkerer), Lex, etc.. ?

[subtle bluff]

mid. Talent is good but the gun with the slowish rpm doesn't take Advantage of it

[sick schooner]

welll, i can live with Fal SA-58 RoF, i guess i can live with G36 then

[sick schooner]

this build better than i expect

[violet juniper]

Which variant will be better to use?

[onyx sage]

second is more backloaded

i'd prefer the first one for faster damage ramp

[magic pilot]

^

I thought about using backbone but the set is super lacking up front dmg like Enny said

[real quarry]

anyone looked into Ageis gear set build, im curious if theres an idea out there for

[obtuse crystal]

It’s honestly just not that good tbh

[real quarry]

its worth a shot just to see

[hexed steppe]

post some screenshots if you find a good way of running it

[real quarry]

i may try tinkerer but tbd

my guess, the strength may be as a support tank hybrid

[obtuse crystal]

Yeah I’ve never seen a good way of running it tho tbh closest I’ve seen is a decoy build tbh

[real quarry]

let me look into it and see if there is something

[subtle bluff]

I've attempts they just feel useless when everything is dying before they do anything when they do.

[real quarry]

i mean it could be a distract type, resiostance meant for survivalability in a group. maybe its good for retaliation.

[subtle bluff]

problem with distracting things is there no real agro table we know of only one pistol.
For the rest a FI would do better because of healing and buffing.

[real quarry]

TBH i wouldnt have gotten a backfire build after the season was done if it werent for people testing stuff, i figured id test it and give ideas and maybe have other ideas assist

however theres a good chance for the build to work it has to be in a group no matter what for max benefit.

[subtle bluff]

uh?

You can use BF without hazpro just fine.....

[cerulean smelt]

i attempted it to try and soak 1 milliond damage with Zealot but don't think i got even 1 million damage honestly

basically 4 aegis, Provacator and put whatever i felt would help for mask, tried chill out with aok mods in it

[real quarry]

someone created a full 100 hazpro for backfire mines just not maxed

and its useful and fun

[cerulean smelt]

nods not hard to get 100 haz pro honestly

[subtle bluff]

You don't need hazpro...

@cerulean smelt can you post something for me?

[real quarry]

i enjoy it honestly even if it is much

[subtle bluff]

Just do more dmg...

that way is soo slow.

[real quarry]

ok

[solar sable]

hazpro Modifiers are over please don't waste your crits on hazpro

hazpro was never """""meta"""""

[real quarry]

its really not due to smg having 21 percent

you dont need everything as crit plus backfire gives crit dmg so lol

[cerulean smelt]

was my work around of yters "STRIKER HAZ PRO BF GODLY BUILD"

[solar sable]

OMG META BACKFIRE NINJABIKE HAZPRO YAAHL INSANE GOD BUILD

[real quarry]

never said it was lol i sasid i have fun with it

[cerulean smelt]

didn't bother farming up red builds for those 4 blues

[solar sable]

take a look at this please
https://youtu.be/R6vJhXTo0lI?si=XewOUyH9wOKl00sL

[real quarry]

it looks nice and can change mine if a iwanna i just dont want to

[real quarry]

no im good bc you disrespectful over a build

[cerulean smelt]

in case you're wondering how much haz pro

[hazy steeple]

No one needs to respect your build, this channel is called "build advice".
@solar sable could've said it nicer, but what they're trying to put across is that you could improve it.

[solar sable]

nah, I'm being sarcastic with this comment but just don't use hazpro

[solar sable]

this one

[violet juniper]

"a little bit of this, a little bit of that"

[subtle bluff]

Especially now these modifiers you'll A bleed.

[real quarry]

oh yeah cause him ragbaiting is build advice, first advice ive heard in a while lol

[hazy steeple]

It's clear that you don't hear advice much.

Now drop the attitude, you lost all your goodwill in record time.

[violet juniper]

Backfire with hazpro, check. NBB, check. Useless Yaahl piece, check. Two many blue cores, check.

[real quarry]

lol ok

[violet juniper]

The reason we're being overly harsh is so you take the feedback on board and think "ok, what can I change to improve it a bit"

[cerulean smelt]

i feel it could be fun to make a tipping scale/bf extreme diminishing returns build

[magic pilot]

Oh I do

[real quarry]

i didint ask'

[violet juniper]

Stop being scared of your own gun lmao

[real quarry]

i just stated the build i enjoyed and i got build advice, i dont remeber asking

[magic pilot]

I've already started, becuase some people are already going "muh 2.4m crit" then you look and they have 50% chc and do 100k non crits

[violet juniper]

you actually bitched about people telling you your build sucks.

[solar sable]

womp womp

[magic pilot]

Ok ok let's chill a little

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just here waiting on @subtle bluff to tear apart my build to my striker haz pro backfire build from last season

[real quarry]

^\

[subtle bluff]

You know better.

[shy willow]

I hate to point this out but you're on a channel named build advice

[magic pilot]

Incursion speed runs use backfire on the tanker section because nothing can clear anything as fast, guess what they use no hazpro at all

[violet juniper]

my Memento's back hurts from how badly it's carrying my striker backfire setup lol

[real quarry]

^

[real quarry]

^

[magic pilot]

No hazpro is the fastest way/ most efficient so that is what people are gonna recommend

[violet juniper]

If there was a gun that actively shot you every time you pressed the trigger in return for 200% damage, incursion players would use it

Incursion speedrunners are like Helldiver's, they're nuts

[magic pilot]

I have a 5:54 PB im gonna pretend im an incursion speedrunner, thanks for the compliment

[real quarry]

i dislike using memento

[violet juniper]

You're welcome I guess

[cerulean smelt]

😱 remind me not to ever piss you off

[violet juniper]

i don't remember asking

[magic pilot]

We can run them together 🙂

I'll get soap to run too, he's WR runner atm

[real quarry]

i didint know we had to ask to answers?

[magic pilot]

Maybe Toni as well

[violet juniper]

You didn't ask anything, you just said "I dislike memento"

[real quarry]

asked and asnwered :)

[violet juniper]

There's a fair amount of people that don't like the picking up trophies part but it satisfies my loot goblin brain

[cerulean smelt]

funnily enough mement is a strong exotic armor. you get some serious buffs as long as you pick up a trophy within 5 minutes

[violet juniper]

I should really stop being so reliant on the damn thing

[cerulean smelt]

put on Sacrifice and you'll never leave without your momento

[violet juniper]

That's like using PGC with heartbreaker

just, why?

muh bonus armour:(

[cerulean smelt]

30% amplified damage with some extra armor to spare

[violet juniper]

60% damage taken

[subtle bluff]

Don't need to use it...

[real quarry]

thats why i dont but thanks

[violet juniper]

I run this usually

Intimidate compensates for the extra blue core

I could probably swap over to firewall for the super shield and even more damage

[cerulean smelt]

mrchow is no averageplayer O_O

[subtle bluff]

I'm very average... Not if comes to incursion that's a different story.

[solar sable]

chow just ignore them already

[subtle bluff]

I'm chill.

[solar sable]

less womp womps and more build talking

[subtle bluff]

Like I've always said:
Almost anything is viable up to solo heroic. Doesn't mean it's good.

[cerulean smelt]

3 5.11 + 3 Gila?

[subtle bluff]

My new pesti build is a things

[violet juniper]

I made some changes to this build earlier too. Swapped Stoner for a MK49/Flatline with tech spec, and Ouroboros lol

[solar sable]

may I see your aberrat- creation?

[violet juniper]

Overdogs is such a weirdly nice pair of gloves

it would be real helpful if it showed an icon above the targeted enemies heads though

[cerulean smelt]

ran countdown earlier to satiate my curiosity of NBB, 3 scales, 2 arca bux. 400 mag in a stoner anyone?

[subtle bluff]

CRAP the replay raw are where I can't put them in here

[violet juniper]

let's hear that frenzy proc lol

[cerulean smelt]

think i made it through 225 rounds before frenzy fell off

[violet juniper]

Could probably swap a piece of TP out for 1pc zwia

use eagles grasp for a handling bonus on top of all the lead you're spraying

[cerulean smelt]

personally i wanted to go,2 tipping scale, true patriot, 2 arcabuz

[dire finch]

Quick question. Are perfect talents locked to specific named items?

[hazy steeple]

Pesonally I myself oneself think that there's some intereting builds this Season, IMO.

ah damn I forgot to use individualistically.

@dire finch Some Perfect Talents are on more than 1 Named Item, but yeah you can't have them on non-named stuff.

[real quarry]

yes or it could be a buff on a gun or item

[dire finch]

So it's possible for Perfect Obliterate to roll on a named Grupo Sombra chest for example? Getting mixed answers online and some answers say that some talents are locked to certain brand sets.

[real quarry]

no, i actually dont know if one exists

if its not named it will get a talent thats normal perfect talents are only on named gear or weapons.

[hazy steeple]

No.

It's locked to a specific named item, just go with that.

[dire finch]

Gotcha, Thanks for the help guys!

[hazy steeple]

@dire finch Just having double-checked, there is no Perfect Obliterate.

although if you are using it with a gearset build, you're probably going to want it on a Ceska Chest, not Grupo.

[dire finch]

Wow I'm a dumb ass lol. What chest would you guys recommend with a HF/Oreo build? Maybe Chatter Box? I'm trying to take advantage of the RoF bonus from the modifier.

[hazy steeple]

If it's a gearset build that focuses around crit stats: ceska is better than grupo.
it's all down to the amount of crit % that you get from each piece: vs adding rolsl to stuff.
With an SMG setup, you can also use 2pc Sokolov, or throw on a Coyotes Mask, since you'll be getting the 1st buff (which is crit chance).
I'm sure someone can tl;dr that for you.

[dire finch]

Thank you for the detailed reply. I'm going to look into that. I appreciate the help.

[hazy steeple]

Wait I mixed it up, you should probably just check out the build one of our resident math nerds has set up. It's very detailed.

You can find it 📌 pinned in this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds > Hunters Fury.
GL Agent

[dire finch]

That's perfect! Wish I asked here sooner rather then spending 30 mins on google looking for nothing.

Thank you!

[real quarry]

okay so i built 2 types of Ageis builds that are more like hybrids but are not solo builds due to the talent of the gearset, id say this works very well in countdown and team based missions , which you can use it all the time with friends. i basically made a chc and chd build and headshot build with the gearset.

[subtle bluff]

🤢

[real quarry]

lol i didint say it was pretty but it makes an impact with bighorn

[subtle bluff]

I'll give this advice BH and Crit don't mix well enough

[real quarry]

BH is headshot build

[subtle bluff]

Then obli only works off of crit

[real quarry]

yeah but crits still happen and BH does enough dmg toi begin with so you barely notice it was mostly for the hs dmg on the chest piece

its not perfect but its an idea

i didint even touch the specializations

so there could be a better special for it too

[urban latch]

Was the 5p intentional?

[real quarry]

no

honestly forgot what i was gonna change so ill just put overdogs for gloves

[onyx sage]

if i run these with my friends and we still stomp stuff, it says more about my friends than me

[real quarry]

fair

im just trying something new vs the same stuff. and i havent seen much about it and personally i can see the idea but it requires what the talent of the gearset requires so.

[onyx sage]

i mean it's not hard to make new stuff that also makes sense

[urban latch]

I wonder why no one at all ever talks about that set or makes builds for it or uses it ever lol

[subtle bluff]

The only reason the same stuff is around is because this game has been around for awhile so we meta a lot of things

[hazy steeple]

No one can spell Eegis.

Ageis.

shield.

[urban latch]

I never had to learn how to spell it

[solar sable]

A-A-ron.

[real quarry]

i understand that but doesnt mean finding new things isnt gonna be dumb or useless its just based on what you have. ageis is a full on team based hybrid,

[onyx sage]

egypt?

[hazy steeple]

I'll use my Arialdi instead.

[solar sable]

Arailis?

[onyx sage]

_ _

[subtle bluff]

there are better ways of doing that in a different way.

[onyx sage]

blue OD is another team-based hybrid, but it makes infinitely more sense

[real quarry]

doesnt hurt to experiment

[hazy steeple]

It helps if you start a build with an endgoal in mind.
so in your case, define "team support". without using the exact words "help your team".

[onyx sage]

i mean if you run with a team against hard content and suffer, it does hurt

[hazy steeple]

Killing things helps your team.
Support is generally, empowering them to kill better.

Whether that be by setting them all on fire, healing them, etc.

[onyx sage]

if they have common sense, they would rather you be more supportive or aggressive to make their lives easier

[real quarry]

i mean yeah support team with said gearset. the gearset is solely based on support. number of agents and number fcused on player equals resistance percent

[hazy steeple]

So your goal here is to help your team survive?

[onyx sage]

in hard enough content like legendary that resistance isn't impactful at all

you'd rather just kill stuff so there are less things shooting at you

[real quarry]

better idea for hs ageis build

[subtle bluff]

If an ad is shooting with gun that has 50rds that's doing 300k per bullet....

[shy willow]

Aegis in itself is unfortunately just a bad set

[onyx sage]

and i'm sorry but countdown is both not hard content and is a dps check on heroic, so you're actively hurting your team running this

[subtle bluff]

and if there is were say 7 of them shooting

[shy willow]

If you wanna tank and support the blue OD dien mentioned is good, but even then in more intense content I'd rather have a foamer or FI

[hoary atlas]

is this Good for Master Difficulty ?

[onyx sage]

let's get a potential strawman out of the way: again i want to say you're free to experiment, but whether something makes sense or not is still something we reserve the right to comment on

[shy willow]

It'll do but I suggest a better chest

[real quarry]

so if you do countdown you have 8 ppl, so the number would 1.7 lets say you have 3 focused. Backpack makes it 5 percent so it would 15 percent, which gives 25 percent resistance to damage.

[hoary atlas]

Which one ?

[real quarry]

its all based agent and argos but it works none the less

[shy willow]

Ceska oblit/glass prolly, exodus gloves are basically their own unbreakable

[onyx sage]

there's something other than straight up killing that makes your resistance to damage 100%

[shy willow]

The issue with aegis is it's based on threat which tank builds have little to no ways of generating

[subtle bluff]

not the chest.

[hoary atlas]

Ceska armor or Damage ?

[shy willow]

That and the DR bonus is exceedingly small for an entire sets worth

[onyx sage]

damage, forget about armor on this kind of build

[hoary atlas]

Ah i see, i think have that

[subtle bluff]

It's easier to heal them back and then buff there dmg output.

[onyx sage]

it doesn't add much more survivability to you, and the faster they die, the easier you live

[real quarry]

i agree i kinda just foprce it by push far to them and shoot them so i get it. it works well

[subtle bluff]

that's just one guy what about the rest of them.

[onyx sage]

eventually in a good team you will lose that aggro anyway, a good dps will generate much more aggro than you

[shy willow]

Like in general content/legendaries I would take a foamer over anything else anyday

It's extremely powerful support

[onyx sage]

aggro is not solely based on distance, you do know an enemy that's right in front of the tank will still shoot a backline dps right

[subtle bluff]

we think we know how agro works but we really don't

[real quarry]

i mean for all of them, the more argo on you the better. plus shield so i dont see what you mean. even then countdown its difficult to do it when everyone has dps build but this has its uses

[shy willow]

If you have a buddy run negotiators while you run aegis you'll notice everyone is gonna go straight for the nego

[subtle bluff]

DON'T REMIND ME

[onyx sage]

what we're saying is your theory of how this build works does not match with reality

[hoary atlas]

Is there anything need change like Weapon im use Lexington and Rock n Roll

[shy willow]

The more people that run DPS the faster you can go

[onyx sage]

those are fine

[real quarry]

the build itself maxes to 8 focused which can be up to 40 percent resistance which can give 68 percent in 8 players missions and 52 in 4 players. so

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't match out Division 2 works. Div2 is a very different type of game.

[onyx sage]

again, theory

[shy willow]

As long as people aren't actively sabotaging you countdown isn't particularly difficult

[subtle bluff]

Can he carry us?

[shy willow]

Is the theory in the room with us

[real quarry]

its bewtter with healer too ive done that a couple and its helpful

[onyx sage]

we can put him in tidal with us and he will get zero aggro, i guarantee

[subtle bluff]

I mean.. If he using the mosq he can hold the one.

[real quarry]

probably, still going off the gearset nothing more

[onyx sage]

idk why you're still on this hill. we're saying you're only paying attention to how this build theoretically works, reality is NPCs always go for people who deal highest damage

therefore you get 0 aggro => the set bonus is useless => the team gets 0 utility from you

[real quarry]

they do focus if you are too close as well so yes and no

[naive sonnet]

Sorry to interrupt, i wanted to make a smg build and was wondering if there is 1 that stands out above the rest rn?

[subtle bluff]

HF and Strikers

[real quarry]

hunter fury

[shy willow]

^

[onyx sage]

you say it like we don't run the hardest content to death and back

[real quarry]

?

[onyx sage]

it doesn't matter how close you are, eventually they will focus the backline

[real quarry]

maybe

[naive sonnet]

I figured those sets. Ill try and chatter box with them and momento. Wanted to be sure there wasn't something new

[onyx sage]

not maybe, absolutely

[real quarry]

maybe you dont know. i could be crazy

[hazy steeple]

@naive sonnet You don't ever need to apologise for asking a question on here, it's very much an open forum as far as discussions go.
If people really want to have a 1-on-1 conversation with no interruptions, they can take it to a PM.

[onyx sage]

go do a tidal legendary with us, we'll show you in real time

[shy willow]

Dien has run an obscene amount of legendaries if anybody here would know it's him 😭

[naive sonnet]

Im just being more polite than usual ig. Thanks lol

[hazy steeple]

Ah don't worry too much, I call people nerds all the time.
It's all in good fun.

@onyx sage hey dork.

[naive sonnet]

I love it

[onyx sage]

I'm just an average player

[hazy steeple]

Don't oversell yourself now.

[onyx sage]

can't undersell too much without being suspicious now

[real quarry]

im already there you a little late, so it works exactly how i thought lol

[shy willow]

Sir an average player soloing legendaries seems like a juxtaposition

[onyx sage]

?

you stopped making sense so suddenly

[shy willow]

If you're in a group and you're drawing aggro in that build it says more about their DPS then your build

[naive sonnet]

So pretty much all weapons I want to roll Dttoc (except lmg) on right?

And the go-to for LMGs is RoF? So i know going forward

[shy willow]

Even with imminence I don't think you can reliable hold aggro

[onyx sage]

mostly chc for lmg, dta or rof are good 2nd and 3rd choices sometimes

[real quarry]

one tipp scale build, one hybrid idk, one striker so yep

[onyx sage]

on gearsets besides nego and maybe TS, your crit is lacking so chc helps a lot. chc on lmg is even stronger than ceska

[naive sonnet]

Gotcha. I believe i asked in other server but i like to make sure with more ppl

[hazy steeple]

A lot of people are in both servers, but if in doubt: just use the spreadsheet.

It's put together by folks here, so you can ask them directly if they're around.

[naive sonnet]

Lastly, the dttoc from fox prayers works with nego dmg? Or only wep dmg?

[onyx sage]

dttooc does boost the nego spread damage

[naive sonnet]

Ty

[shy willow]

Huhhh I always thought only dta

[onyx sage]

it simply takes your current bullet damage if it crits and then modifies it by 60% or 112%, then does that on an enemy

[naive sonnet]

I thought i was cooking, bluescreen them to statis them out of cover and nego them all down xD still works but i thought i was getting dmg there

[onyx sage]

no, the dta is an exception, it applies twice, if the first target you hit has armor dta applies there, then if the marked target also has armor dta will apply again. but this is double dipping, not the behavior jackie asked

[shy willow]

Ahh

[naive sonnet]

Oh wait u said did! Cool. I am playing and lookin here on my phone

[real quarry]

i was answering you but its fien

[onyx sage]

lol so ig you don't want to know

[real quarry]

know what

[onyx sage]

how aggro works in a real environment?

[real quarry]

its actually called ragebaiting lol

[hazy steeple]

You keep using that word.

[real quarry]

what?

[onyx sage]

it's called a challenge but whatever you wanna call it sure

[real quarry]

im confused now, what challenge im playing tidal basin rn on heroic

[onyx sage]

legendary is like repeated so many times earlier

[real quarry]

never sadi it would be legendary build dummy

[onyx sage]

i rest my case lol

[subtle bluff]

A single person and easily carry heroic 4 man.

[real quarry]

like idk where your ego is but its up there, over a build lmao

[onyx sage]

you talk about your build like it functions in any sort of high bar when it doesn't, that's my point

[real quarry]

i never said it does, talked about how it should

[onyx sage]

literally any build can do heroic, and we said how it fails to do its job in the content that matters, yet all you do is deflect all the criticism you get

[real quarry]

not if it could go threw legendary, you got all upset and challenged me for no reason bc you wanted to ego trip on a build that sucks. sounds like a toxic div 2 player lmao

[onyx sage]

not really, i said you don't know how legendary challenges your perception of how aggro works, you make it about my ego, it's an easy strawman tho

[subtle bluff]

Legendaries was mention a few times here...

[hazy steeple]

Okay don't worry about responding for a while.

[subtle bluff]

Not much.

doesn't do much for how Div2 just plays out

[solar prairie]

Which of these two might cost lesser materials to fully optimize?

[subtle bluff]

I'd assume the one with less numbers to get it all the way there.

I'll keep saying it.
Almost anything is viable up to Heroic. Doesn't mean it's good.

[solar prairie]

We really need a new world difficulty, like master maybe.

[subtle bluff]

Open world heroic can kind be hard sometimes than some missions

It's the learning curve.

They just need to change the scaling for it all.

[solar prairie]

I mean just adding a new difficulty doesnt force anyone to play on that difficulty.

[tawdry flare]

Open world heroic sometimes sucks if you are solo and enemies come from all the side

[solar prairie]

This is what keeps it interesting for me

I love both Bluescreen and BulletKing but I can only take one of them to experties 30. Help me decide 😄

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung

[onyx sage]

so about that...

[safe turret]

I’ve been using AR builds for a while now I want to get into LMGs what’s the best build setup for that

[subtle bluff]

OD and TS.

[elfin tusk]

any changes?

[subtle bluff]

swap chest and kneepads use obliterate.

@safe turret and @elfin tusk go into the Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub it's all there.

[elfin tusk]

with one do you prefer chest?

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[hazy steeple]

@elfin tusk Ceska is still the right brand to use, it just should be on the chest, with Obliterate as the Talent.

[elfin tusk]

yee i know

[hazy steeple]

Then why did you ask?

[elfin tusk]

I forgot that I had one blue core, which I couldn't change. I preferred to ask if there was anything else I could change besides that.

[hazy steeple]

Nevermind.
You can use the Striker Chest instead, just only use it in Incursions/Raids.

[subtle bluff]

someone in another discord ask for advice then answer himself to me.... 😐

[hazy steeple]

Just farm out another one, it's a worthwhile piece to have perfect.
you can use the ceska oblit w/double crit stats and a red core for a lot of builds.

I use it in 7 dfferent loadout slots.

[elfin tusk]

okey okay 🙂

[grizzled garnet]

at 260% chd whats the better option for lexington?

strained, killer, optimist or fast hands?

[subtle bluff]

Killer is always good in solo.

I don't have the math for Optimist vs Strained when at that high of CHD. Fast Hands is a players choice.
IMO Measured.

[grizzled garnet]

so solo

4pc striker
memento
ceska chest with obliterate

lexi with killer
smg-9

[fallen comet]

Wonder when we'll get perfect obliterate

[strong cave]

Knowing the devs, it'll end up on a weird chest piece. I wouldn't put it past them to slap it on 5.11

[fallen comet]

Lol most likely yeah

[subtle bluff]

Idk what they would do change it. It's very balance imo.

[cerulean smelt]

no even better. improvised XD

[strong cave]

I wouldn't be surprised if they made it pre-nerf damage, 25%

[subtle bluff]

hmm?

[strong cave]

Or made it to where instead of per crit hit = 1% WD, it'll be per crit hit = 2 WD, and change how many stacks it takes to get to full

[tawdry flare]

Did you say 5.11

[strong cave]

Perfect obliterate would be weird because there's really no way to make it better

[subtle bluff]

without making it OP

[strong cave]

Perfect Intimidate is just marginally better, on paper, than normal Intimidate

[tawdry flare]

I mean Obliterate was 25% before now it's 20 they will make it 25% on named item

[strong cave]

That's what I was saying lmao. But knowing what brand the devs will toss it on, it'll end up on 5.11 😂

[tawdry flare]

5.11 is already powerful enough it has moar DPS than striker.

[strong cave]

If they wanna have perfect obliterate compete with normal obliterate, devs would need to throw it on a decent brand. Walker and Harris, Grupo, or maybe Imminence Armaments

Ceska would be too easy and would make Ceska + Oblit completely useless

[gloomy spruce]

Maybe the devs need to do the exact thing they clearly swore off after they introduced gear 2.0.

The devs need to bring back berserk.

Berserk would make health and builds that are connected to that stat potentially viable again. 5.11 being tied to health makes it a dead brand. Health itself without berserk or a way to provide a benefit makes the stat useless.

The devs really hated the Berserk, strained, clutch meta from the early first year that they inadvertently created a useless stat out of health and made brands connected to it worthless to this day.

[onyx sage]

if they do, i will play the game infinitely more not because of how strong it'll be but because "berserk" is a name i'm forever attached to

[strong cave]

I personally am behind this. Would also be nice to see a specialist rework. Having to select what gun bonuses we want is just flat out dumb. Just tie it to a broad category of "weapon damage"

[brittle bloom]

Still miss the dz during berserk clutch. Was def some fun

[patent fossil]

It's best if you just ask your questions directly

[hexed steppe]

that or R&K chest

imagine the outrage if it got reworked onto a yaahl chest 😈

[toxic frigate]

tbf

it would be funny if they just decided to throw perfect obliterate on backpack just as they did with henri

[hoary atlas]

Any Change Needed for Tipping Scales Build ?

[toxic frigate]

is the only reliable way to roll the 12% chd gear mod is from countdown/summit as per usual?

[magic pilot]

Don't run the chest

[hoary atlas]

Replace with Petrov ?

[toxic frigate]

or ceska obli

[hoary atlas]

Backpack should change ?

[toxic frigate]

i think TS back is fine

personally i ran Abridged

so i had no idea on how perstilence work

[hoary atlas]

I see for GR9 should use Magazine size ?

[toxic frigate]

you could

[hoary atlas]

What about use damage to armor ?

[paper belfry]

My partner uses a striker build with memento, but when we play together it isn't great.
What's another decent alternative? (She uses memento backpack/improvised holster. 205 SHD level)

thanks!

[magic pilot]

Contractors?

[junior surge]

Just run the striker backpack. Alternatively you can run any backpack with vigilance (I'd recommend Grupo or Ceska)

[hoary atlas]

I see

Tipping scales remind me Lone Star 2.0

[strong cave]

Cant wait to run this 🔥

[coral reef]

My brother in arms

[onyx sage]

yooooo controller

[coral reef]

Pls no bully

[onyx sage]

nah i'm noob

[coral reef]

I 'discovered' the Irong Lung fun by watching you 🫡

[strong cave]

Controller gang 💯

[worn cargo]

Hi guys, returning player here. Would appreciate some advice if possible, before I stopped playing i had a 4 pc strikers, with memento and obliterate on fenris chest with St. Elmos. Is this still a decent build? I can do heroic content solo still, I sometimes switch to striker BP and coyotes mask for group content. Tried Strega also and is fun.

[obtuse crystal]

yeah that works just so you know a ceska chest will perform better than a fenris one

[strong cave]

this is the standard for a striker build, but the memento version will also perform

stats should look neary identical to mine when maxxed out

(before I get any nitpickers about my chc in the first image, with all red, I mostly shoot at distance anyways. when i plan to play close range I swap mods)

[worn cargo]

Cheers pal. I think I just need to work on substats. I had the Lefty as well, is it worth using?

[strong cave]

Lefty is still good. worth it for the talent. the talent description is also wrong, they reverted the change from Y6S2 so it still applies to the group, not only to the agent who threw the grenade. devs are a bit lazy and still havent changed it

if you want an all damage ACS-12, just take a normal one with Brazen

[hexed steppe]

if you main pesti youll want glass chest

[hushed gorge]

give me a strong pestilence build that is stronger than mine
i am really enjoying this gun

[merry nest]

On my PVP skill damage/status build should I put skill duration or skill haste mods ?

[gentle lichen]

Whaddya use? Sticky + stinger?

[merry nest]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

Better to just post build and also duration doesn't affect burn time so haste is better

[merry nest]

Aw no way does it not 🤣🤣🤣

[gentle lichen]

It affects how long the sticky can stay on a wall or player before it expires

[merry nest]

When will I ever use skill duration mods?

[gentle lichen]

Oxi builds for more ticks

[solar sable]

wait omg you're also a xbox player? YOOOOOO

[coral reef]

No, PC only with xbox controller

[coral reef]

Boy do we have the build for you https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[solar sable]

you had me excited for a minute 😔

[strong cave]

PC > Console

[solar sable]

I agree

[lofty frigate]

😎

[subtle bluff]

Yay context...

[subtle bluff]

First for him he needs to be on reds.

[hexed steppe]

just got the parts to make this today and it was tearing stuff up

just swapping what you had to glass would be an improvement though

and yeah, no blue cores as just mentioned by Chow

[subtle bluff]

Ya this works well!

[hexed steppe]

im liking it. its pretty similar to the highend i was using, but with the exceptionally better handling

ended up putting dta on the pesti since not using contractors tho

[subtle bluff]

There shouldnt be a difference in weapon handling.

[hexed steppe]

new set stacks weapon handling

along with chd

[subtle bluff]

Oh right..

I forget that detail.

[hexed steppe]

that pesti reload is a big drawback for me, and this kinda fixes that

on non-pesti setups is it just the set bag thats better or are you guys using chest too?

pretty sure im gonna test out bluescreen on it soon

[subtle bluff]

I used a Pertvo brandset instead of PGC

[gentle lichen]

25% handling is actually pretty nice

[gentle lichen]

Tried sac and gift?

[hexed steppe]

personally i think i would trade out the ceska for petrov. with this set stacking chd its easy to use some of the attribute space as chc. dmiminishing returns and all

[subtle bluff]

no I haven't yet.

[wild lily]

any other backpack suggestions or should i keep using cookbook?

[subtle bluff]

5% to me vs being able to push more is my thought

[subtle bluff]

Have you read the different between Wicked and P Wicked?

[gentle lichen]

Realistically there isn't a difference between p glass and glass in damage taken. You'll almost always otp on both

[hexed steppe]

use ceska wicked bag.

[wild lily]

Is there any D: im dont remember it that well

[hexed steppe]

and coyote mask

[subtle bluff]

and Cata mask is 10% less DPS vs Coyote.

[hushed gorge]

is this the catalyst mask?
i almost forgot about it lol

[gentle lichen]

I don't even have it

[subtle bluff]

7 seconds

[gentle lichen]

Is it even that good

[hexed steppe]

with OD you almost never need any ammo so carnage would still be king along with your bluescreen

[wild lily]

Damn fr? i wanted something different from the usual

[solar sable]

I use this setup I love it tbh but Chow doesn't agree with me using GR9

[hushed gorge]

catalyst is not that good

[solar sable]

of course it's the old man's build /j

[hushed gorge]

just use cayote at his point instead of Catalyst

and you were trolling huh

[subtle bluff]

maybe with frenzy...

[strong cave]

this is the one time that I disagree with Chow and GR9 would be super nice due to mag size 😂

[solar sable]

hell naw

I tried frenzy and didn't like the combo

[gentle lichen]

But that 75% rof

[subtle bluff]

fair

[subtle bluff]

50 less rds, more Base WD and RPM is mk46

[solar sable]

I was seeing 1mil crits almost always

[solar sable]

I'm gonna try and farm an mk just to see the numbers and shi

[strong cave]

MK is super good. Hard to pass up

GR9 is just fun bc big mag = big fun

[gentle lichen]

Steady hands though with gr9 and there you go temu bullet king

[solar sable]

I will keep saying this, idk why some people say Heroic Retal is hard when you can melt them solo lol

[strong cave]

That's crazy 😭

[strong cave]

I run nimble holster and just cheese the C2C mechanic

2 blues, ceska, nimble, 4 PC striker, rest all red. St Elmo's

[subtle bluff]

oh right gr9 is 250

[solar sable]

I just face tank them with 6 reds

only died once

[cerulean smelt]

325 with tipping scales

[jagged aurora]

LESGOOOO
Chat, need help with Eagle Bearer Build

Got it, T O D A Y

[cerulean smelt]

congrats. now go put it in the stash like i did (> <)

[jagged aurora]

ye lol

[cerulean smelt]

for the zealot objectives. i tried a provacator, 4 aegis, chill out mask and eagle bearer build. was interesting, but never gotten any 1 million damage reduction objective completed

[jagged aurora]

me neither, which is weird, because i'm sitting in the middle of the road, being shot by all directions

shot, burned, exploded and nothing lol

[buoyant perch]

Stand in front of DUA legendary, get aggro then start acrive modifier

[cerulean smelt]

i just wanted to be done with zealot journey and thought that'd be easy. watched DJtickle for the 5 emp explosion objective and was like seriously?! got it done and moved on. now i'm on cleaners sanitation

[buoyant perch]

Probably move that to #td2-general-chat
This is not the place for that

[cerulean smelt]

probably, but i was just giving Jackie an example of what i used the EB with build wise

[patent fossil]

this is mine, works great in solo heroic - use cover to cover to get close and get your first headshot kill, then just facetank everything. I usually play glass cannon type builds so this is a great bit of variety for when I can't be bothered worrying about positioning

works well in solo retaliations too

[jagged aurora]

Good old Striker as usual, alright, I’ll save and put it together later

[cerulean smelt]

question about tenacity. do we need all 3 headshots to reduce 100% damage or is it just 3 kills in general?

[patent fossil]

just three kills. You need one headshot kill to get it started, and after that headshots will build the DR faster, but the rest of the kills can be anything

personally I tend to run it close up and always go for the head anyway, as it just does more damage and is more likely to stagger enemies

[violet raven]

For tipping scales, what we gonna be keeping. The ones with CHC ?

[subtle bluff]

Keeping?

[jagged aurora]

CHC until you hit cap, then any leftovers go toward CHD

[hexed steppe]

honestly, unless youre rolling main cores to blue/yellow, i would just worry about getting high-max weapon damage rolls and keep attributes flexible

[strong cave]

I run mine with 2 blues and Nimble holster. Hitting 1.1m - 1.4m crits even with blue cores

[hexed steppe]

assuming youre running the bag, correct?

so i know TS is generally a lmg set, but has anyone decided to get real stupid and run backfire with it 🤔. 550 - 725 chd possible?

[winged vine]

Would the TS chest talent be better than a Petrov Obliterate?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

You'd ideally want Ceska with Obliterate

[winged vine]

I got that. Thanks!

[cerulean smelt]

think of TS chest like striker chest. could you use more stacks to build up on or be happy with the default but have an actual talent that can push your damage higher?

[cerulean smelt]

trust me, i'm so tempted

[winged vine]

Chatterbox comes to mind here...

[cerulean smelt]

i think TS + backfire as an extreme diminishing returns build. like i said i'm tempted just to see. i brought it up in PTS and people are like "it's an lmg set" so they can't fathom the idea of having all that crit damage since backfire is and SMG and not an LMG

[winged vine]

I like the idea of just going balls out on CHD, but I feel like Chatterbox has excellent synergy since it can have an endless mag

[cerulean smelt]

not really, you'll run out of ammo eventually
so far wtih TS + 50 gunner LMG mag on a stoner and 2 arca buz i got 450 mag on it which was humorous

[winged vine]

Too much ammo for frenzy?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd be so tempted to go farm some True Patriot pieces and put that in the mix. 1 TS, 2 arcabuz, 2 true patriot and see what that mag is but i'm like nah, the damage isn't there because of NBB taking up a damaging talent so it's not worth trying to get as much mag as you can honestly

highest crit i managed in taht 450 mag was 1million tops. that 7 from TS is so much nicer

i do have to say. i was impressed to run a countdown and someone was running instigator and taking out npcs like they were nothing. what's the build for that? just normal HH with overdogs?

[subtle bluff]

problem with chatterbox is when you can't kill something and you lose your RoF stacks

[strong cave]

I am, correct ✅

[minor nexus]

can anyone help me build a bluescreen build cuz i try to make everytime it just too weak

[strong cave]

The standard striker build will work for it. Same with Nego