td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

To actually be harder? or more Argo like that was sad the 3 times I had them.

[stark flicker]

made this for pvp idk if this sucks or I just suck or a mix of both https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwJgtOAME9dvRDmQFwFZ0rMGwDMS8U2cqAHDPnmAGy5GmmogAsVsTjRqwtHJblxSpW4cNUHChaEOnC58-YKwDsOVgE4NlYOm6oZ0w9OPpe6-Iur5KPfNtXry4cg1JA

[obtuse crystal]

Shields take a lot more damage in PvP and they don’t cover the head

Unless big one

[stark flicker]

nah just crusader with bh

[obtuse crystal]

Yeah it’ll probably get destroyed in a few seconds

[stark flicker]

can you do overcharge in pvp?

[onyx sage]

no

[obtuse crystal]

No way it’ll be invincible if u can

[stark flicker]

unrelated but does there exist a build that actually uses the remote pulse?

it seems like such a nothing burger skill

[patent fossil]

Unlikely. Only use I've found for it is a safe way of proccing Faraday cage against Keener in liberty island (mainly of interest to hardcore players) - it'll protect you from his shock, but if he does manage to hack it, it won't pose any threat to you

[cerulean smelt]

i personally like it with the Explosive Delivery bit XD

[rapid arrow]

Ongoing directive with lmgs is crazy 👀

Only bad thing about it is the terrible survivability

[cerulean smelt]

next thing you'll be posting "System Corruption is underrated!" lol

[rapid arrow]

Idk what that is but damn bruh let me have some fun experimenting with builds. Don't yuck my yum

[cerulean smelt]

btw: the lmg OD is pretty meta now a days to me anyways

[magic pilot]

It's used in conflict a bit

[subtle bluff]

Go to #td2-general-chat this crap since you're not looking for a advice.

[cerulean smelt]

thank you! you get it XD

drop streamline add preservation, change the backpack to Palisades and you got a bit more survivability considering you can get kills

[rapid arrow]

I post for advice on how to improve the build, if you don't have any advice don't ping me

[subtle bluff]

No question are being asked from you.

[hazy steeple]

Okay chill everyone.

@rapid arrow Did you mean crazy bad or crazy good?

[rapid arrow]

Why would I post it if I thought it was crazy bad??

I don't get where the hate is coming from

[hazy steeple]

They read "crazy", assumed you were bad talking it, and then you reacted poorly to them reacting poorly.

[rapid arrow]

Bruh

The build is good. Crazy means it's insanely good, not bad😹

[hazy steeple]

Well without the qualifier, it can mean either.

e.g. this conversation is crazy for my mental status.

[subtle bluff]

Looks crazy confusing.

[stark flicker]

optimist or measured for lex?

4pc striker with ceska chest and coyote

[hazy steeple]

I like Strained, but I've heard Killer is nice now.

[stark flicker]

I don't wanna do killer as this is for raids so I'll do strained

[coral reef]

help me and my stupid math please

Tipping Scales build:
Shooting builds stacks to a max of 75. Each stack provides +4% Critical Hit Damage. (Assuming I have both backpack and chestpiece)

Do I get +300% Critical Hit Damage after shooting 75 bullets with an LMG? thats INSANE

[cerulean smelt]

does'nt the backpack or chest increase it to 7%?

[coral reef]

oh im just basing it from the info on The Spreadsheet

[cerulean smelt]

nm, patch notes shows 4% swore i saw 7% for it at one time 🤔

[coral reef]

Are people going to use Backfire with Tipping Scales for that 500% critical hit damage?

[cerulean smelt]

trust me, i'd be tempted
keep getting the usual "diminishing returns!" comments when i mention it
or it's for LMGs

[honest moss]

How does tipping scales work? Haven't seen anything on it yet. Are stacks lost on reload or anything?

[coral reef]

Lose 6 stacks per second while not shooting. No stacks are lost if an enemy is Suppressed.

[rapid arrow]

Is there a cap for crit dmg?

[honest moss]

Ooo thanks, sounds like a bulletking build coming up

[coral reef]

or some crazy concoction with Tinkerer mask

[cerulean smelt]

yes, i'd be that wizard in D&D session "i don't care how small the room is, i want to cast fireball!" (> <)

[honest moss]

Going to be fun to mess with for sure

[coral reef]

Pestilence will also do great with it

Like someone said: the perfect moment to play like with Hunter's Fury, every enemy is going to be supressed this season

[subtle bluff]

I like measured since it's keeps your stacks up and up your DPS

[stark flicker]

if they added a seventh armor slot do you think it'd become meta to run 2 gearsets

[subtle bluff]

Vs striker no.

[coral reef]

No cap I think!

[meager fog]

Nope.

[meager fog]

Pesti ticks don't scale with crit. So pesti will just be pesti, better off using something else.

[meager fog]

Optimist isn't great purely because you need to empty the magazine for it to be effective, at which point it becomes ineffective again.

The useable uptime is pretty eh, imo.

[subtle bluff]

There isn't but more in one stats doesn't make it better vs more numbers.

[subtle bluff]

I don't think so. I haven't sat down with the numbers yet.

[meager fog]

It buffs crit, inherently Pesti will just be Pesti

Essentially an LMG where the ticks are less use because enemies will die before you can even stack them

[coral reef]

Yeah, Lengmo works because of Fox Prayer and Contractor's gloves I think

[rapid arrow]

Wait this is actually huge. I always just assumed the tick dmg sales with how much crit you hit the enemy for😹🤦‍♂️

[cerulean smelt]

not to mention it usually just tickles the next enemy it jumps to

[meager fog]

Nope, Pesti ticks are based only on Weapon damage

It's not even a status. It's technically a DoT Debuff

[cerulean smelt]

Virtuoso can help the pesti do some more damage as long as you get 2 different range kills with it

[meager fog]

And Virtuoso is just utter garbage

Like, possibly one of the worst sets in the game, when taking the mechanics and gameplay into account

[cerulean smelt]

nods too much work just for some extra tick damage
pesti tick doesn't increase with striker either

[meager fog]

Just looking at alot of the gear sets and brand sets...it's like they intentionally make most of them useless lol

Ceska is useless outside of the single buff piece for example

[cerulean smelt]

they do honestly
striker at first i never liked because of that "missed shots dropped 2 stacks" bit then they got rid of that

[meager fog]

Grupo....UTTERLY useless, outside of the single piece.

[cerulean smelt]

duno, my 2 grupo in my mortar is pretty relevent damage wise (> <)

[meager fog]

It's like they want people to fall into a trap of using 6 seperate brand pieces lol

[cerulean smelt]

pain the keister to farm it up with 2 minor yellows for it but hey you know

[rapid arrow]

I feel like they do that to promote the ninja bike bag in a way. For frankenstein builds

[meager fog]

Again....an outright PvE noobtrap

[rapid arrow]

Or at the very least that's the reason why they added the ninja bike bag

[meager fog]

NBM is just a direct nerf to any PvE build.

[rapid arrow]

Sure but it's always good to have the options to mess around with in the game, even if it's utter minge

[meager fog]

Backpack talents are far too strong to consider using it as an option.

If that backpackl was deleted and the NB Kneepads had the same effect, it would be an incredible piece of kit

[gentle lichen]

you have the option to put close and personal on an mmr
does that mean you should?

[rapid arrow]

Not if you take the game super seriously. It could be an option to do a silly challenge or something idk

[gentle lichen]

it't not about it taking anything seriously it's just knowing what's viable and what's not

[meager fog]

Yeah it's just not a viable piece of kit, there are plenty of off meta builds and things you can use to personalise your build for you.

But using something that flat out just makes you weaker is just bad gameplay (and bad game design)

[rapid arrow]

Word

[meager fog]

Chameleon is a good example of that.

It has great buffs hidden behind an impossible track of stacks that just don't make sense to use. When other options are far more viable with far better ease of use

[cerulean smelt]

here i thought you were going to complain about it's firing. you aim for head bullet hits all around the head instead kind of deal. only reason i hate it

[meager fog]

It's an Ar with SMG handling but none of the SMG perks.

If it was an SMG it probably would be far better

[rapid arrow]

Woah woah don't hate on my goat. The chameleon was my first love. And it isn't "impossible" to track the stats it literally shows it on the side of the gun. However I admit it is annoying to hit all the requirements to get the most out of the gun. And yeah there are better guns than it admittedly

[gentle lichen]

chameleon is great the range is its issue

[meager fog]

It's an impossible track because stacking them outside of being solo is a nightmare.

And solo the gun is just not strong enough off the bat the be viable for use

[gentle lichen]

its an smg on an ar platform

[meager fog]

https://discordapp.com/channels/477210626742288384/489468635333656576/1414724065801015470

[rapid arrow]

?

[rapid arrow]

Yeah if it had better range like the st elmos I think a lot more people would consider using it

[cerulean smelt]

elmo has better range than chameleon

[rapid arrow]

Yes... I just said that?? 😹

[meager fog]

Give the chameleon the innate 21% CHC of an SMG and it's a good gun. It has the ROF, Damage and handling of an SMG but poor base attributes.

[cerulean smelt]

i would love that

[gentle lichen]

i think the chameleon is great in its state rn you just have to not treat it like an actual ar

[cerulean smelt]

like if they did that, i'd probably be tempted to use it with tipping scales (> <)

[gentle lichen]

-# if only switching weapons didn't take away its buffs

[rapid arrow]

@meager fog yo idk if you know the answer to this but does the weather actually affect the npcs ability to target you efficiently?

[meager fog]

Yes it does

[rapid arrow]

Figured I was clearing a control point while it was raining and a shotgunner missing like 3 shots point blank

[meager fog]

When it's foggy, you can get within feet of them without being seen

[rapid arrow]

W immersion W game design

[cerulean smelt]

my favorite is i can shoot a silenced gun and they come running 3 blocks away because they all heard it even though i never fired it in their direction

[gentle lichen]

it also removes your aim assist/red dot at long ranges

[hexed steppe]

Or just use backfire and relegate chameleon to its most useful role... as a premium quality exotic component

[meager fog]

My point in a way lol

[cerulean smelt]

awww, can't even use that gif? 😭

[hexed steppe]

Add cold relations to that pile too

-# I'll see myself out

[meager fog]

Get thyself out for a walk

(I agree it's a bad gun btw, only furthers to solidify that the devs make poor gear and weapon decisions)

Perfect strained is an LMG talent. Doesn't belong on something that literally cannot even reach it's talent ceiling.

[cerulean smelt]

one day they'll give us a double barreled sawed off side arm that gives us a skill tier and future perfection on it (> <)

[coral reef]

you guys hate too much, not every gun can be St. Elmo

[hexed steppe]

So I'm kinda seeing with strained you can really draw out the buff purposely burst firing. So can kinda make faster firing weapons benefit a bit more. I'll take killer any day of the week over it still

[cerulean smelt]

i don't even like elmo honestly

[meager fog]

I hate a gun that literally says I shill for it in my name? HUH

[hexed steppe]

Lies

[meager fog]

KIller wins out for a single reason.

Strained resets when reloading.

[frank elk]

st elmo is overrated

[hexed steppe]

I see your loadouts

[cerulean smelt]

come to think of it. they need to allow us to put that on a wall in our bases. that's where it'd go

[subtle bluff]

yes and no.

[meager fog]

Well no, it's appropriately rated as one of the best weapons in the game.

[gentle lichen]

the accuracy on elmo is iirc not competed by any other ar

[meager fog]

But that doesn't mean that other stuff shouldn't be better

[cerulean smelt]

to me those people are the easiest to please (> <)

[hexed steppe]

Agreed, just not a god gun

[frank elk]

the only reason its good is its ability to stun other than that its average

[subtle bluff]

nope

3rd reason on the list

[meager fog]

That fact it has innate 15% CHC AND CHD as well as an enormous magazine and innate CC. Just gives it an edge.

Doesn't mean it's the only weapon you can use (and doesn't mean everyone hates everything else which is a weird thing to say)

[hexed steppe]

That's even on the list?

[coral reef]

so top three best weapons in the game? Scorpio, Regulus and...

[frank elk]

if someone says st elmos they havent played the game

[subtle bluff]

Elmo's is reliable weapon.

• Big mag making it have the best mag dmg and sustain dmg (ensuring that you should be able to kill anything you're shooting at without reloading)
• Easy to use with the best handling weapon in the game
• Shock rounds help with CC enemies and keep you from burning thru you ammo
• Having good mods from the CHC/CHD (Easier stats a build)

[coral reef]

your turn @frank elk Elmo is badass!

[subtle bluff]

Now in saying that I don't even use elmo much if ever anymore and I all do is end game stuff.

[meager fog]

Well, you're wrong. And at this point just trolling.

[subtle bluff]

People say it's overrated because it is meta even tho it's been nerfed from where it was pre-TU22 and people that do say it are also tho players that are solo/non-meta players.

[coral reef]

I would say Ouroboros is #3 for me, if the talent worked... "When the agent has a Status Effect applied to them, 50% of the ammo in their next magazine will apply the same Status Effect to their targets."

[subtle bluff]

I don't think there are best overall weapons.

[meager fog]

Elmos is 100% in the conversation for one of the best weapons in the game. For the reasons that have already been listed.

Disagreeing for the sake of "i'm not meta" is just stupid

[coral reef]

what was the hardest nerf in all of Division 2? Hunter's Fury or Eagle Bearer?

[meager fog]

Outright best, no. Because situations exist.

But, best in more situations. Probably Elmos, or Lex.

[gentle lichen]

system corruption literally not being able to use instakits

[strong cave]

System Corruption with instakits. Ouroboros exotic being nerfed by 10% for damage

[strong cave]

They need to remove the insta-kit ability bigtime. Messes with the talent

[subtle bluff]

I believe it was the rifle nerf. I wasn't playing during that time.

[magic pilot]

Aces and eights

Went from 8 player runs running 6 pc ace to no one remembering it's in the game

[charred fractal]

Merciless year one.

[toxic tree]

Is there an easy drone/turret/seeker mine build that doesn't require special farming? Trying to complete journey 6

[strong cave]

Here comes Local with mortar supremacy

👀

[hexed steppe]

i wouldnt even put scorpio on that list anymore. when i think of 3 best weapons im also thinking different scenarios, so scoring a top 3 exotics weapons: regulus, capacitor, toss up between iron lung/backfire. honorable mention for bluescreen as i just love it

[hexed steppe]

hush. recognize the supremacy

[strong cave]

Top 3 guns for me, at least exotics, would have to be Eagle Bearer, Iron Lung, and I'd say Nemesis (PvP sniping with that thing is so satisfying)

Top 3 high end weapons, gotta give it to the Carbine 7, MP7, and probably the Saiga 12. Those 3 I love a ton

[hexed steppe]

i need to use iron lung more. im always watching grandson tear shit up with it

top weapons are so subjective, but i bet with enough responses youll see the true community big 3

c7 is goated until lex dropped

[strong cave]

Such a great gun 🙏 give it a touch on OD builds. Doesn't even need a damage talent. The fire rounds off it and the bleed with OD makes perfect chaos

[hexed steppe]

added bonus, with someone using iron lung, i know where to focus

[strong cave]

I still use C7 with strikers and Tinkerer. It's got a perfect balance I like that Lexington just doesn't satisfy for me

[hexed steppe]

yeah i would use mine with tinkerer as well. mine are all setup flatline tho

now guess how all lex are set

[strong cave]

😂😂

[hexed steppe]

[strong cave]

My pvp characters have them set with Optimist and my PvE characters have em set for killer

[hexed steppe]

i doubt i use heartbreaker a lot moving forward tho. just stronger options without having to give up crit

solid c7 stocks tho for tinkerer setups. all 20+ expertise. all old school farmed so all perfect stats with rollable talents😎

[strong cave]

I like heartbreaker but it's just in a weird spot rn. Having to take tech is a bit annoying. I mean, I can easily run it with gunner and just use Banshee pulse, but not everything can be Disoriented. Or Pulsed like that

[hexed steppe]

i farmed out a bunch of police m4s too so options

[strong cave]

And not everything has a head I can shoot either

[hexed steppe]

yeah, striker just better. can add memento to get some of the survivability function

[strong cave]

I run memento on both striker and heartbreaker when I wanna turn my brain off, stop peeking, and just run and gun

[hexed steppe]

i went and made that nasty bluecore backfire. but with added hazpro and pfe. ill catch hate but it was fun af

1 more day

[strong cave]

I did the opposite and made an all-red glass cannon version of it 😂

[hexed steppe]

nice

[strong cave]

That isn't reliant on modifiers

Kinda redundant, but kinda challenging 😂

[hexed steppe]

it does well without. ended up in backup call and went to hit t and nothing. 😂

still does its immune thing anyways

[strong cave]

The modifiers just adds the cherry on top. I think it'll be a build to stay from here on out

I'm surprised it hasn't made its way into the build spreadsheet for high difficulty content

[hexed steppe]

its in the striker guide as a incursion boss variant

[strong cave]

The Hazpro one with blue cores?

[magic pilot]

Red version

Should have eagles and a ceska piece

[strong cave]

Was boutta say if people running blue core backfire in the incursion, wtf kinda guide is that 😂😭

[onyx sage]

one for the average player

[hexed steppe]

no. hf guide has red version as well. the main push is no hazpro for the meta setups. weird thinking of backfire as meta but its 🔥

[strong cave]

Backfire is just super good now. Them dropping it from 200 to 100 stacks was 👌

[onyx sage]

average player: "uhhhhh isn't that a nerf"

[hexed steppe]

one last night for this goofy shit .
im kinda amazed intimidate rarely goes down once you get that bonus armor from the modifiers

7 Blue Core Enjoyer would be proud

[subtle bluff]

with the modifiers you need blue cores just active the right modifiers and boom enough hazpro to things don't last even more than 1.5s

[hazy steeple]

That'll be useful for the next....5 hours.

[magic pilot]

I saw that build a ton this season

[frosty rivet]

Are there any tank builds using the immense armament set? Would like to try something more useful than foundry bulwark

[frosty rivet]

Cool

How's the play style for this build?

[subtle bluff]

DON'T REMIND ME

[magic pilot]

Same as foundary essentially, you get close and spam that pistol

Tier 6 shield but you still get 3 red cores, plus intimidate. The new pistol next season will be nice here

[frosty rivet]

Do the weapons matter or can I use whatever I prefer?

[magic pilot]

Kard is probably the best bet as far as pistol goes

But yea can use whatever or even build for headshot with reg

[frosty rivet]

Alrighty thank you

[dusky sky]

what are some META build ?

[subtle bluff]

in the Pinned Messages buid hub.

.

[dusky sky]

only one meta build ?

[subtle bluff]

Striker

[dusky sky]

so only one meta build ?

[onyx sage]

no, meta is quite diverse in this game

[subtle bluff]

HHF, Hotshot, FI Healer, EP CC

[onyx sage]

the most common that you want is striker

[subtle bluff]

There isn't a best overall.
The one build that is viable in all content is Striker like mentioned above.

[dusky sky]

so im trying to farm challenge countdown for striker and st emos but im quite weak and get carried by other players
is there better way to set myself up first ?

[subtle bluff]

There's a guide in the Build Hub for frest 40.

[onyx sage]

yes, farm striker and st elmo

you just accept that you just start out having no build and get carried, this is normal

[dusky sky]

should i go into heroic at all ?

[hazy steeple]

Have you made one of the builds from the spreadsheet?

If the answer is yes: you can start to make the push, but expect to die/take ages until you learn the little details of div2 very well.

[subtle bluff]

While you’re grinding no. It’ll go slower.

[subtle bluff]

I am curious too.

[dusky sky]

am i good to go if i got a whole set of striker?
since everything can be tinkered anyway so is there point farming multiple times ?

[subtle bluff]

There are guides for it…

[dusky sky]

how's that anythnig to do with guide

like if i got all pieces of gear, is there any point to farm for more since as long as i got the piece, i can change the attributes to fit the chart

[weak nebula]

you can change 1 stat and upgrde the rest but upgrades arent exactly cheap

i farm for close to perfect expect 1 stat

[dusky sky]

oh, you can only swap out ONE stat. So you cannot just change all 3

[weak nebula]

yes

[dusky sky]

k, now there's pt of farming more

[weak nebula]

you can "optimize" which upgrades the value of the stat as many times as you want but its expensive but can only change 1 secondary stat to an entirely different stat

[spiral iron]

Will Overdogs have any interaction with Turmoil's spilt effect, or will it only take effect if the initial hit is on the lowest tier?

[subtle bluff]

We don't know. Test when you can.

[hazy steeple]

in about 7.5 hours.

roughly.

[spiral iron]

I was fully expecting you to come back with "No, read the tooltip stupid" - so your comment gives me a lot of hope

[hazy steeple]

I told chow' before that if they're not nicer, I'm going to make them shepard SHD 500's for a month.

in Heroic.

[spiral iron]

Explains a lot

[subtle bluff]

We don't know since they're fixing stuff and changing stuff.

[cerulean smelt]

with glass cannon and turmoil knees?

[hazy steeple]

Nah too easy.

foam EP, they use twin coyotes AR striker.

[cerulean smelt]

magnum 686 only no shield XD

[spiral trout]

What u think about heartbraker build mask,chest,holster, kneepads with blue core armour and all attributes are red hit chance and hit damage with memento and fox prayer full red with lexington with killer talent and chameleon. Technician spec. Deflector drone and pulse for scan?

[cerulean smelt]

that's a mouthful

you realize this exists where you could've just posted the link to it and asked?

but there is a heartbreaker build in the spreadsheet too, sure it's weapon damage but covers what you're asking but you're sticking to the armor cores

[stark flicker]

Dta or dtooc for pestilence?

[cerulean smelt]

how would you get dtooc a second time on pestilence?

[strong cave]

Crit chance

[stark flicker]

Oh wait I forgot lmg's have dtooc as a core

[strong cave]

If you have enough Crit chance, then do DTA

[stark flicker]

Y'all think spiced up with bk and tipping is gonna be good?

[strong cave]

It'll be meta in pvp I get the feeling. Can't wait to shoot walls and peek with people doing tinkerer bug

[gentle lichen]

i need a pvp meatbag rn

im actually critting for over a mil with this ON BULLET KING WITH NO DTOC OR EXPERTISE

[stark flicker]

Contractor's?

[gentle lichen]

of coursee

[stark flicker]

Are the knees turmoil or just a regular ceska piece?

[gentle lichen]

aight we expertising bullet king to 30

[gentle lichen]

normal

bro playing on console again is like playing on creative mode

[stark flicker]

Grinding bk rn

Or is that one of the new craftable exotics

[gentle lichen]

its since ny

[strong cave]

Welcome to shd 10k 👌

And can't wait to shoot at walls in pvp 💀

[stark flicker]

Yeah but the new retal mode they said made some exotics craftable I was asking if bk is one

[gentle lichen]

oh my GOD bruh

[stark flicker]

That's nuts

[gentle lichen]

its actually better to stack with a pistol just shoot every second till full stacks to not waste lmg ammo

[stark flicker]

Any global modifiers or is this raw?

[gentle lichen]

RAW

[stark flicker]

Holy shit

That's significantly better than striker

[gentle lichen]

uhh

lemme check
cuz btw thats only crits white damage is literally nothing

[strong cave]

Striker increases both the weapon damage and the Crit damage

So no, it's not better than striker. It's definitely better than umbra at least for LMGs

[hazy steeple]

Is it better than OD+Tink for LMG's though?

I know Tink is harder to obtain, but if we're talking powerhouse vs powerhouse, gotta compare the strong.

[stable tree]

Try it with Backfire for fun

Actually interested as to what the CHD rises to

[gentle lichen]

holy fuc

[strong cave]

Diminishing returns

[stable tree]

Yeah, I know

[gentle lichen]

the crits are actually WAY better than striker

llike 400k better

[strong cave]

But what about when you don't hit for a Crit 😂

[gentle lichen]

437k vs 167k

[hazy steeple]

Go ahead, I know someone wants to post that one gif.

[gentle lichen]

upkeep definitely goes to striker tho cause tipping spear literally goes away in like 7 seconds

[strong cave]

I'm still not convinced this set will be better than striker. Maybe on Crit hits sure but not on overall weapon damage

Which having scaled weapon damage will increase your crit damage

[gentle lichen]

btw im still testing with bullet king LMAO

oh i also was using 2 blues on striker so its even weaker in terms of crits

[stark flicker]

Esp considering you're running 3 blue ts

6 red is gonna go absolutely nuts

[strong cave]

How the hell I get auto modded for a gif of dice rolling 💀

[stark flicker]

No gifs or links

[gentle lichen]

pvp version go for full red if pve

dude the crits are like 10x the white damage 😭

[hazy steeple]

Adding 1 zero to the end seems kinda low, comparatively.

[heavy lava]

very fun.

[lament reef]

tipping scales sounds like it will be nuts with iron lung or pestilence

[heavy lava]

It doesn't scale pesti ticks 🙁

[lament reef]

blegh

[heavy lava]

700k with the build above using pesti ticks

bullet hell seems by far best choice as no downtime on shooting means no downtime on DMG, but this good times lmg also works well with that

Completely negates the need to suppress a enemy.

[coral reef]

brother try using the Tipping Scales chestpiece and Fox's Prayer kneepads, and report back to us 🫡

[heavy lava]

Already did sir, was more damage for sure. Harder to keep up though

I believe it'll work just like strikers. Use the cp when you expect more enemies, unless before a fight you mag dump real fast lol

[coral reef]

its going to be useful when you're facing 3-4 heavies in the new modes

[magic pilot]

The backpack is a must, chest id run glass

[heavy lava]

I die too fast using glass lol, would for sure do more DMG tho.

[magic pilot]

I believe in you!

[coral reef]

Also, try it with Tinkerer mask, 2 LMGs, Measured and Frenzy 🙏

[lament reef]

new passive that explodes all tank armor sounds wacky strong

is there a downside i’m missing

[coral reef]

Military MK46 to be precise

[coral reef]

and gunner spec for the +50 round mag

[onyx sage]

why you not carrying me

[coral reef]

im at work! those season pass cosmetics don't pay for themselves boss

[hazy steeple]

Too many donuts.

[onyx sage]

i'm just kidding with you i'm working too

[hexed steppe]

What's the new meta? Stuck working till tonight

[onyx sage]

1p tipping scales 1p heartbreaker 2p legatus contractor ninjabike + pestilence

thank me later

[lament reef]

lisan al gaib

[hexed steppe]

Oh sweet jesus

[onyx sage]

i cook only the finest

[hexed steppe]

So my pesti mention yesterday wasn't totally wasted

[onyx sage]

somewhat

[hexed steppe]

Everyone: Nbb is a meme exotic
Devs: hold my beer

[shy willow]

get the man a Michelin star

[hazy steeple]

Then take it away after he gets 1 bad review.

[cerulean smelt]

any reason for the 2 legatus and not lengmo?

[tulip charm]

Don’t question it. 🤫

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just curious honestly

[shy willow]

we are beyond the realm of logic

[tulip charm]

Exactly

[hexed steppe]

Is the sheet accurate with tipping 2 pc being mag size?
Also, does dth affect pesti ticks?

I think I'll counter 1tipping with 1yaahl, or possibly sacrifice chest. hollow man if dth affects, regular yaahl if dth has no affect.

[magic pilot]

Yes and yes

I believe dth does

[subtle bluff]

Yes. The easy way to remember Pesti dmg is your normal shot without crit and some amps

[stark flicker]

You have to break all if a tank's armor before killing it to unlock it

[lament reef]

i’ve done that on accident before

[cerulean smelt]

nah, that's just one of 8 jouney objectives

[patent fossil]

Eh, not that strong imo since once you've broken one piece of the armour you're probably just going to focus that exposed part and kill them without wasting ammo on their other armour anyway.
The cost is the opportunity cost of not running one of the other passives.

[stark flicker]

Right but to get rupert's tear you have to complete that mission

[cerulean smelt]

it also applies bleed in a radius

[patent fossil]

Yeah I know, but that's not a hugely strong effect (compared to eg 'nearby enemies burn until they die')

I mean, it is useful, but I don't think it's wildly OP

[lament reef]

handy with something like crossbow where you can aim wherever, blow all the armor off, and then focus head

[subtle bluff]

Spot-On is in the Castle Vendor

[cerulean smelt]

i got it in a loot lmao

[magic rapids]

What is the consensus on the exotic sniper?

[hazy steeple]

I doubt that enough players have it yet.

it's only been out for a few hours.

[magic rapids]

My bad

I thought it came out yesterday
I just heard an m700 sniper exotic and my neurons activated

[subtle bluff]

Too much effort for soemthing that isn't that special vs what we have already.

[hazy steeple]

yeah but it comes with a blanket though.

sniper rifle snuggie.

pewpew poncho

MMR with a mat.

[coral reef]

it looks very cool, but the most beautiful exotic is still Mantis

[meager fog]

Transmog needed for weapons.

White death with Shroud skin

[honest moss]

Or nemesis skin... love how that looks. Would also like it for gear. Btsu + waveform would look great together.

[magic pilot]

Honestly not a fan of most of the exotic skins

Iron lung is probably my favorite

Chameleon is sick too

[violet juniper]

Chameleon is awesome

[gentle lichen]

What happened to chameleon deconstructer

[meager fog]

I'd just like to make the elmos look less crappy tbh

[magic pilot]

Looks cool, gun is shit

[violet juniper]

Isn't it second highest DPS of all AR's?

[bright raptor]

like the AK, try hitting something beyond 10 meters without using Braced

[obtuse crystal]

And the buffs are inconsistent tbh in longer fights

[magic pilot]

Kard-45 is the top dps pistol

You don't see me running around with that

[violet juniper]

It's Tempest, actually

[magic pilot]

High end pistol

[violet juniper]

Since when was high end specified?

the proof is right there lmao

top burst DPS, Strega and Chameleon. Black and white evidence

[coral reef]

Experts, for a Tipping Scales build is it better to use Contractor's Gloves (LMG damage+damage to armor) or Fox's Prayer (DTTOOC)? I feel that in this particular case, Contractor's are better, right?

[magic pilot]

You are failing to see my point

Sadist is more dmg than measured

[magic pilot]

Contractors

[coral reef]

or how about... just use both, and forgo Tinkerer/Coyote's mask?

[onyx sage]

but the multiplicative

[spare harness]

Are the new exotic gloves worth to run with striker per say?

[violet juniper]

They're cool but id say no

more of a single shot build item imo

[cerulean smelt]

nods too gimmicky from the looks of it anyways

[violet juniper]

If they highlighted the weakest enemy on your HUD they'd be pretty good

Same with the sniper. Would make it a lot easier to use rather just guessing and hoping

[stark flicker]

I've been doing some real world testing for the new tipping scales set and just throwing together I few pieces from what I had

4pc scales chest bp fox's and a ceska piece with pahkan I'm hitting for around 1.4mil per crit at max stacks without the global modifier and closer to 1.6mil with the modifier

I've got 57 chc and like 100 chd base

with max stacks I get 625 chd

[subtle bluff]

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. Dmg per bullet isn’t the greatest way to measure dmg output.

[stark flicker]

would it be better to say I'm hitting over 400chd with 57 chc

[subtle bluff]

DPS

[stark flicker]

idk what the dps is exactly but I'm getting way more damage in cd than people running striker's elmo

[subtle bluff]

This isn’t the way to measure dmg output on a build.

[subtle bluff]

Damage per second. DPS

[stark flicker]

more than striker's

I don't have an exact number but this is def way stronger than striker's

[subtle bluff]

yes and no.

[stark flicker]

I'm not even using a good gun with it

[onyx sage]

if your crits are bigger but your non-crits are smaller, it doesn't really say how big it is over or under striker

[stark flicker]

it cut around a minute and a half off the time it takes me to clear invaded jtc compared to striker lex

[onyx sage]

i've already sheeted it out for the most part, for the most common crit ratios it's balanced to be around striker

[onyx sage]

heroic has rng mobs, i wouldn't just sample one run

if the striker run had like 3 chungas for example when the tipping one had 0 it's not a fair comparison

[subtle bluff]

I know I clear it faster with HF but wouldn’t be fair.

[stark flicker]

this is comparing lex on challenging to scales on heroic

[onyx sage]

still not a fair comparison

heroic isn't always stricter than challenging, some ad spawns are different

[subtle bluff]

Don’t remind me…..

[meager fog]

We trying to reinvent the wheel again?

[subtle bluff]

I mean it’s a different wheel.

[strong cave]

People trying to justify tipping scales CHD being higher than striker again? But fail to realize that while striker outputs less CHD, pushes more base weapon damage?

Literally tipping scales is hoping your crits fully kill your enemies instead of striker rewarding being accurate

[cerulean smelt]

and striker is less gimmicky on the stack building (> <)

[strong cave]

Striker is also a direct increase to weapon damage, UNLIKE tipping scales. So striker increases white and orange numbers meanwhile tipping scales only increases orange numbers

[subtle bluff]

There's more math and builds to be looked at.

It does get near striker but it also has an easier time gaining, holding and losing it all. Not faster depending on strikers.

[onyx sage]

yeah it's mostly usability differences rather than just peak number differences

[gray radish]

this build is great

[hot prawn]

Hello! This is my Striker Tank build. Should I switch out CHD to CHC since there's no more crit modifiers? 😄 Haven't unlocked this season's modifiers yet

[subtle bluff]

it shouldn't have matter with or without the modifers.

[misty anchor]

I'm new what's a good build for grinding when I just hit lvl 40?

[hot prawn]

oh ok ok, thanks. Thought I needed more crit chance 😄

[subtle bluff]

No you do.

[hot prawn]

so should I up my crit chance then?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub there's one for fresh 40 in there

[subtle bluff]

too lazy to here's copy and paste from the guides

You want the highest combination of CHC and CHD. Your aim is to have over 50% CHC and over 100% CHD with this build. If you are debating between which of the two to choose, multiply your CHC and CHD options together and see what ends up the highest:
CHC1 x CHD1 = X
CHC2 x CHD2 = Y

[hot prawn]

Got it! thanks man

[misty anchor]

I can't find him?

The build.i.mean

[subtle bluff]

You on mobile or Computer?

[misty anchor]

Mobile

[subtle bluff]

Tap the Channel in screen go to Pinned

[pastel crane]

So, what's the play with Tipping Scales build? 4pc with a Grupo and an Exotic?

[gentle lichen]

grupo is very not worth

invest into chc till fully at 60%

then at base WD or TWD

[scenic briar]

unless you're overcapping on CHC with no other way to avoid it, Ceska is always better than Grupo

[pastel crane]

Right, Ceska. I forgot lol

[gentle lichen]

it's especially better in tipping cause of the insane diminishing returns on grupo

like adding 13% to 325% or 525% isn't gonna be THAT big of a jump

[pastel crane]

Fair enough. So, 4pc Tipping, 1 Ceska, and....

[gentle lichen]

i personally use contractor's
no need for exotics imo at least pvp wise

[pastel crane]

Well, I plan to use it on PvE only, but sure.

[gentle lichen]

think about using tinkerer maybe and put some WD talents that'll help your rpm and damage?

[pastel crane]

I'll think about it.

I was getting bored with Tinkerer a while back

[hexed steppe]

how long tinkerer been out 👴

[hexed steppe]

whats a good pesti tick rate?

no modifiers, solo

seeing ticks around like ~1.18 mil health damage, ~1.34mil armor damage on this.

[magic pilot]

It was the master drop

[hexed steppe]

ik, i just poking fun on hawkster getting bored of tinkerer a while back .
kids these days dont know what boredom is. obv never had to wait till the streetlights came on or else it was chore time. am i aging myself, yeah a little bit
-# and yes, i did walk 10 miles to school... up hill both ways rain or shine 👴

-# ill see myself out

[hazy steeple]

I think I had that album in the 90's.

[lament reef]

was it on a cassette

[pliant pelican]

is the chest piece Ridgeway's Pride any good these days. becuase i do keep gettin em

• if so is there any fun builds to run with it?

[subtle bluff]

Not really

[hazy steeple]

@lament reef It wasn;t the 80;s.

[cerulean smelt]

you're reminding me of walter from Jeff Dunham about walking in the snow to get a condom sketch

[hazy steeple]

That reference explains a lot about you.

[rich lotus]

First try on second character and I got it. Thank you rnjesus! Any build suggestions for the Tempest?

[subtle bluff]

You got that recently?

[rich lotus]

Just now yeah.

[subtle bluff]

Got it. Thanks!

[rich lotus]

Just got online was working.

[worn charm]

Best build suggestion for tempest is put it in a vault where it belongs, bcs the talent is trash, and i actually think they will disable it somehow before the climax

[terse scroll]

does anyone know any fun builds that could work in a trio where you already have enough damage from the main 2 and the 3rd is kinda just not getting time to shoot any enemies ? (we have a pesti dps and headhunter determined dps who just clear rooms way before our 3rd can really shoot anyone)

i’m thinking like maybe a tank build or something support skill based?

[hexed steppe]

mortar build best build for fun

found in this channels pinned sheet or in my profile i have a link to the community guides and my builds

hard to use but shines when you stop self deleting

1 hanna+1wyvern if you dont have the grupo unicorn pieces

[fresh fox]

foam build

[verbal gust]

How’s that lmg gear set?

[terse scroll]

that’s what i was also thinking tbh

[fresh fox]

yea its awesomr i love foam

[subtle bluff]

It's soo underrated. Easier to support carry then DPS carry.

[cerulean smelt]

any particular talent on chest?

[novel ember]

guys have you tried Mortar Explosive Build im looking for the best to go for legendary 🫶 checked the pinned one here but also im asking if we have more good options and thanks

[subtle bluff]

Pinned

It viable but not good at every stage of some of leggo to note and does require some learning to use correctly.

[novel ember]

ok so i would like to know the good one for every stage 😆

[subtle bluff]

There isn't. Why would I say all of that otherwise....

Sometimes you have to move and shoot and you can't camp around. These are the stages where this build will have issues with. Learning curve.

[cerulean smelt]

@subtle bluff i tried glass cannon, not sure what else to try honestly

[novel ember]

can you show me how much dmg you can make with this looks cool

[hoary sail]

i use it moste of the time in summit leg. Nd only in DUA Leg

[cerulean smelt]

@subtle bluff the new NBB pestilence build AveragePlayer posted earlier. tried to get chc but that doesn't hit 50 for me so i went weapon handling

[cobalt peak]

is the new lmg set actually any good or should i just stick to strikers?

[subtle bluff]

That's a troll post.....

[cerulean smelt]

seriously? figured it was decent with what i tried, but i tried to alter a bit more too XD

[novel ember]

yup same here need to try it in summit but im looking for the best one to go with

[subtle bluff]

Talents are too good.

[cerulean smelt]

honestly there's really no "best" probably more personal preference

[hoary sail]

there is no one like other said

[subtle bluff]

There's others?

[novel ember]

no idea im asking 😅

[subtle bluff]

There's a PvP one but that's not what you're asking

[novel ember]

but wait which one you have now ? you have this uni chest ?

[subtle bluff]

You really really don't like to read the guides...

[cerulean smelt]

if you look at Localdeck profile that bulid looks legit. i went a different route and it works great for me

[novel ember]

guides?

[subtle bluff]

He know where to go. He just doesn't like going to them to read

[cerulean smelt]

yes, the pins in the upper right hand corner has a spreadsheet full of builds

[hoary sail]

well u need the one when u deal max dmg or other thing?

[subtle bluff]

We've repeated ourselves enough here with him. He knows where they are.

[novel ember]

its mortar so sure we need that dmg

[subtle bluff]

💀

[novel ember]

are you talking to me dude?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i saw that too

[novel ember]

and ?

[subtle bluff]

technically I'm Not talking to you

[patent fossil]

The pinned one is the best one. That's why it's pinned.

[cerulean smelt]

at this point you're beyond help. go youtube or twitch for a "best mortar build"

[hoary sail]

Well if they explain to u where it is nd u don't go look there. There nothing we can do for u

[tired crater]

I used this build for Y7S1, are there any upgrade/better alt for this in Y7S2 now? thanks

[cerulean smelt]

it works. other alternatives is striker gloves and coyote mask, striker gloves and memento

[tired crater]

right, I switch to coyote on group. solo I usually switch to exodus glove/memento though

[cobalt peak]

is there a good pakhan build or is it just the usual strikers?

[subtle bluff]

To note this standard striker build hasn't changed for a few years more without the elmo

[cobalt peak]

i might honestly just try umbra again, used it when it came out and liked the healing

[hoary sail]

u can do the pestilense one then replace it with the Pakhan

One of my clan mate did it nd it's pretty good

[subtle bluff]

Rarely there is a build for a specific gun

[subtle bluff]

may as well use the new brandset instead then.

[hoary sail]

yeah hi tell him that yesterday

i need to farm some piece too.

[toxic frigate]

the hardest part finding Palisade Chest with good substats and obliterate

[subtle bluff]

Stop and just get a Ceska one it's more universal.

[hexed steppe]

i dont have any screenshots, but its roughly 10mil max regular hits, 13mil max overcharged hits.
'max hits' will need capacitor fully stacked and perfect combined arms talent procced(active). i also have at expertise 30 so you will see different results until you can match the stats i currently have.
i missed the part about legendary usage when i responded. this can work in leg, but could leave you exposed if you dont have top notch positioning. standard mortar might fit legs better since it focuses more on talent uptime rather than max damage from talent. i would try out heroic and get solid tactics learned there before using in leg. definitely usable but requires a lot of input and knowledge of npc behavior/pathing .

[novel ember]

i made the same one but with sombra mask uni and my problem is the expertise not max on my mortar

[hexed steppe]

2 grupo or 1?

If its only 1 replace it with wyvern or a second hanna(if using my setup)

[coral reef]

This is the kind of insight I come here for! Thanks. I have not even tried the build OR anything in the new season yet, I spend last night grinding expertise, making the most of the 3x week. Just target farming weapon mods in Countdown. I'm 29 and a quarter expetise level now! I don't even know what i'm going to do once I hit 30

[novel ember]

for sure 2 man

hope this will work in legendary

[coral reef]

Hear me out! How about mimicking the Lengmo Pestilence build, and replace the Lengmo pieces with full Tipping Scales? The build includes Contractor Gloves and Fox Prayer. ¿Coyote's Mask? Not needed, gets replaced by the actual talents of Tipping Scales. So you get ALL the benefits of Lengmo Pesti + weapon handling + bigger mag. Is there anything to this im not seeing?

[hexed steppe]

Make sure to get good with it in heroic. Its not gonna work out if you're learning the build in leg

[onyx sage]

so pro

[novel ember]

give me your tips if you can mate now im using it like normal just taking cover and put it then Q

im using stinger not reviver btw

[hoary sail]

Tips? a good knownledge where the spawns are nd a good aim with it it's a good start.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah stinger hive is what I use as well.

Personally I'll set the hive either between me and spawn or on a flank where its harder to cover, the hive puts whatever plans the npc had on hold .

As for placement you just don't place it close to environment it might hit. Lower is better since it arcs a meter or 2 from anything or on top of something is best.
Make sure when hitting npc in cover you put your aim behind or on top. They'll take no damage if there is cover between even if they appear in aoe.

Get used to where npcs go, not where they are now. Practice makes perfect.

OK pro tip time. If you have npcs in an elevated position you can actually aim on the ceiling of your area and don't need to actually see the npc. If there is clearance it'll arc high and hit them (like dua mall 3 floor room).
Somewhere like capital in the senate chamber where they spawn up top you can actually arc those mortars to the spawn door in the little room... same with the roof where the dome blocks view of the left spawn... doesn't matter, they die anyways.
You can also aim past walls and certain areas will ricochet rather than explode instantly 😎

I can pm a video if you want to see usage. Can't be shared here since no self promo

[coral reef]

can you send me the video please? you convinced me to try that build lol

[hexed steppe]

-# Propagandist level increased

Will do

[novel ember]

this is for a new player 😅 anyway thanks

[dire terrace]

high fellas so heres my issue and i appreciate any and all advice thank you in advance so i played the division the first one a lot from launch and havent played since the servers went dead ok so i have about 7 years to make up for i have hit level 40 done most if not all of the story content have not touched the DZ yet and am pretty uncomfortable on challenging its going but its going pretty slow i have a pretty intermediate striker build going and have been working on my tinkering library the problem is i cant seem to comfortably move up from here and im struggling pretty bad if anyone could look at my build or anything i would be greatly appreciative sorry for rambling and sorry for my ignorance in advance

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet pinned in this channel with a bunch of good build guides including striker - follow that guide and farm countdown for the parts and you'll be heroic ready in no time

[violet juniper]

Oh wow. The game has entirely changed since you've left. We have a spreadsheet kinda thing with premade builds, use those builds as a guideline until you're comfortable, and you'll be ok

[coral reef]

also post a pic of the build

[dire terrace]

is there anyway to show all the stats on the build when i post it?

or can i screen share?

its bad and you will prolly make fun of me xD

[violet juniper]

Just do one screenshot of the build, then another of the stats page

[strong cave]

Just post a screenshot

The main screenshot will tell us if it's bad just by the looks depending on coloration

[violet juniper]

and DW, we've seen a lot of builds. pretty much every single person here started with a bad build

[violet juniper]

yellow true patriot is the best build in game wdym

[hexed steppe]

Use snipping tool and can paste image direct from that into this channel

[strong cave]

I'd rather it be Ninjabike striker picaros 💀

[hexed steppe]

Image perms here and #ask-td2-community

Inventory> stats tab to see build stats

[violet juniper]

Nah all yellow

[dire terrace]

one is just of the talents

[strong cave]

I see the issue already

[dire terrace]

my gloves and knees are ass i know

[strong cave]

So is your chest

Striker chest isn't all that great for normal content

I'll let the other nerds explain it

[dire terrace]

yea i have little to no exotics

and most of my gear is ass not really sure what im looking for tbh

[latent comet]

If you can get exotics I like the Coyote Mask for Striker

[dire terrace]

or how to farm it for that matter

can i get it from the exotic caches?

[latent comet]

From Retiliation?

[dire terrace]

from countdown

i suck way to much to do retals by myself even on challenging

[latent comet]

I believe so? Im not really sure. I know you can get it from the Jefferson Trade Center mission

[dire terrace]

just like redo the jefferson trade center mission cause ive already done it

and i dont believe i got it

[latent comet]

Yea you can do it on a higher diff for the best chance. matchmake and see if anybody else gets it so they could drop it for you

[dire terrace]

btw thank you all

[hexed steppe]

Make striker look like this

[coral reef]

Also, change your AR, that one has really slow rounds per minute.

[latent comet]

Thats exactly my striker lmfao minus the shotgun

[dire terrace]

is there any way to exvlusivly farm those exotics?

[coral reef]

yes

[latent comet]

Countdown

[hexed steppe]

I usually use m1a cqb. Older screenshot 🍻

[dire terrace]

what are the numbers in the top left corner of the item?

[latent comet]

Ooo thats sick. I switch my secondary between SMGs ...think I put on the apartment last night for funsies

[latent comet]

Expertise

[dire terrace]

ahhhhhh

really guys thanks for the help ive been p[ulling my hair out figuring this stuff out on my own xD

[latent comet]

Hey if you need someone to run with I should be on tonight

[subtle bluff]

Really should just get some of it in CD and try it on in CD. After using it more the stacks can be pita sometimes depending.
30 exp you just now cry at wanting more exo comps.

[dire terrace]

i will be too ive been going solo so it would be nice to have some company xD

[dire terrace]

so in other words yes i would love to xD

[latent comet]

I'll dm you my username and we can hook up. What timezone are you?

[dire terrace]

i am moutain time

[latent comet]

Im EST so thats perfect.

[dire terrace]

heck yea!

so prolly just grind countown til then?

[latent comet]

Love helping people so I truly dont mind it

[dire terrace]

i just wanna keep working towards the goal xD

[coral reef]

i know, only one problem at the time! That lv. 30 expertise was my personal "endgame" goal in the game. I've been working on it for so long... not a single mule used, because they were patched when I started caring about expertise

[dire terrace]

so can you only level them to 15?

[latent comet]

You'll get there I've been a day 1 div player since 2016 and im only level 948 cause of massive breaks but it's super easy to focus on what you want

[dire terrace]

ok theres like 100 builds on this list XD

idk where to start! xD

[latent comet]

Pick one and run that once you get that the way you want. Run another.

[dire terrace]

what are the exotics in that screen shot?

[coral reef]

just finish the Striker that you already have... in time, you will want to start another one and so on

[dire terrace]

idk what build this is! xD i just started putting something together i have no idea lol i just remembered striker was good in the first one lol

[coral reef]

In my days, we did not started with Striker, it was always the good old turret+drone combo, for that early endgame

[latent comet]

Just make sure you stack chc/chd on striker.

Coyote/Ceska/4PC Striker is what I run

[dire terrace]

ceska is a?

[latent comet]

yellow chest piece

[latent comet]

Broooooo yes!! That was my thing too!

[coral reef]

This is your build: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0 You're only a few pieces short

[dire terrace]

thank you for narrowing it

[latent comet]

The AR can be changed in and out so you dont have to use that exact one.

Even tho I love the Police M4

[dire terrace]

any suggestions on ars? talents and stats?

so the ceska with obiterate?

[latent comet]

St Elmos Engine

[latent comet]

yes 100%

[dire terrace]

any good reliable way to get one? or just grind one countdown

[latent comet]

Countdown 🙂

[dire terrace]

you got it bout to start slapping them out

should i be buying inaya out every time she has stuff?

[latent comet]

I would

[magic pilot]

Yes

[dire terrace]

you got it i have been im just making sure

[latent comet]

Sent you that DM with my username btw. Dont know if you've seen it 🙂

[dire terrace]

added you and sent a message xD

[north scarab]

is having armor as core attribute the only to increase my survivability on this build?

[hazy steeple]

The best way to increase the survivability is to use a different gun.

[north scarab]

but i like the aoe spread TT

[honest moss]

Kind of. In all honesty you almost have a perfectly fine O.D setup, are you set on status effects?

[hazy steeple]

Pestilence doesn't actually spread status, it spreads weapon damage.

[honest moss]

O.D is huge dps.

[hazy steeple]

Yes the name is deceptive.

[north scarab]

oh

so what would be a better OD gun

[violet juniper]

Don't use pesti please

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, bleed is a bad status anyway, so OD is not the greatest combo for Vile.

[violet juniper]

use an LMG with the Sadist talent, and scrap Vile

[hazy steeple]

OD itself is really good, Vile is good, just they aren't great together.

[north scarab]

so any lmg with sadist

is there any other exotic i could run it with

[honest moss]

If you got tink use it or try to find a carnage. Blue screen is also great or even bullet king. ARs and rifles are also amazing on O.D

[hazy steeple]

Tink might be a little ahead of a SHD 173.

[honest moss]

Oh yeah... mb

[violet juniper]

None that will do more damage. Sadist is probably the strongest planet in the game

You could use Iron Lung or Bluescreen though!

[hazy steeple]

It's best to think of Exotics as "the same tier" as gold/gearset gear, rather than above it.
It all depends on your build.

[alpine tinsel]

I’m not gonna front on you like I’m not also learning but personally i really really loved OD with Tinkerer and LMGs w Sadist and Frenzy

I know some people will point you to strained/killer/measured/etc and those work too, but for me and my playstyle i find this works so damn well in Heroic content.

[patent fossil]

Sadist/pressure point is the other main combo

[hazy steeple]

Focusing on Bleed as your Vile combo is......questionable.

[patent fossil]

Simple extra 15% amplified damage with no requirements

[honest moss]

Also wanna note that wicked or vigilance are great for the bag slot talent. Would grab a ceska bag for it

[north scarab]

im not very sure what stuff works together well yet, in my head it was just aoe dots haha

[honest moss]

Hey take your time, half the fun is getting there 🙂

[hazy steeple]

On paper it sounds amazing, bleed an enemy, and ever enemy around them gets spontaneous stigmata.

[alpine tinsel]

I’ve never really liked vile personally

Total damage dealt is equal to 50% of your….concussion grenade. Alright.

[meager fog]

It's extremely strong with a burn EP build

[honest moss]

It does scale but yeah i only use it with fire ep

Its an additional 80-100k+ damage or so

[alpine tinsel]

I’ve not tried an EP build yet tbh

I was gonna do OD Iron Lung but id try that first

[hazy steeple]

yeah the vile EP fire setup is.....well, fire.

you can burn out entire spawns, making encounters take seconds.

It was particularly useful during the Summer Swarm event, farming strongholds.

[honest moss]

E.P is super strong. I love a good CC support build. Fire will destroy pretty much anything other than heavies or named enemies on anything below heroic. Depending on exact buffs and players it can still work on heroic+ although won't be a kill all type of deal.

Firewall shotgun lets you burn clankers and toasters. Very useful if you wanna be a roboracist...

[subtle bluff]

It can be done but that's completely a different bleed and playstyle.

[hazy steeple]

I mean it's bad.

[subtle bluff]

EP Fire build always want me to say the beavis and Butthead meme of "heh heh fire fire fire!"

[hazy steeple]

I just use that "elmo praising fire" gif.

[north scarab]

sorry whats an EP

[hazy steeple]

Eclipse Protocol, status effects gearset.

4pc Talent for EP: Indirect Transmission

> Spread status effects of that enemy to all enemies within 10m
> Refresh 50% of status effect durations```

You can see how that would combo nicely with Vile and fire status.

[north scarab]

ohhh but its more for support right from what im reading

[hazy steeple]

Well kinda, you don't want to overly solo with it, but if you have teammates kill those enemies, their status effect will spread to new ones.
e.g. "set someone on fire > kill enemy > all their nearby friends are now on fire".

[alpine tinsel]

U said its not as potent solo?

[north scarab]

what attribute should i look for on the lmg

[hazy steeple]

Crit Chance is really nice for LMG's.

on pretty much every other gun type, "dtooc". (damage to target out of cover) is the go-to.

@alpine tinsel Well it's just a matter of killing power, and especially if there's Heavies/robots.

[meager fog]

I basically an INSANE CC.

Completely locks down all spawn points so your allies can just farm them

[honest moss]

Also can get 100% hazpro making you immune to hunter emps for countdown ect. One player on eclipse turns hunters into sitting ducks

[alpine tinsel]

Ok so eclipse protocol and tip of the spear are what to farm for

Idk why i never used eclipse

[magic pilot]

I recommend people who want to go hazpro for disrupt to at least run cavalier

That way the whole team is immune, otherwise you do way less dmg for almost no gain

[honest moss]

Cavalier healer is one i use sometimes, i agree. Just on EP being emp immune helps a lot in countdown/hunters in general for the cc side.

[magic pilot]

Eclipse disrupt is really nice too

[meager basalt]

Hi, I am running a striker build with the backfire and the bleed damage causes the screen to sort of black and white, if i get bleed protection or hazard protection will it stop it doing that?

[covert meadow]

Hi im looking to build an immunity to face tank heroic, I have a yaahl, chest with obliterate, and striker, but im only achieving 70% haz even though each piece has full haz except mods?

[meager fog]

You can face tank Heroic with a full red build....especially this season

[covert meadow]

Without modification?@dorky?

[meager fog]

Modification?

[covert meadow]

Yeah i don't want mods looking to do without

[meager fog]

Do you mean Global Modifiers?

[covert meadow]

Yeah

[meager fog]

I mean yeah, full red Strikers with a shield can tank through heroic pretty easily.

If you're struggling to survive with a full red, try this:

[covert meadow]

Ok thank you ima show what im using and just got downed pretty tough

[meager fog]

I just (literally a couple minutes ago) face tanked through two rogue agents with that ^^

[magic pilot]

LOL

[covert meadow]

Maxed rolled to

But I use to have 100% on this, I just can't remember what I did

[coral reef]

how many damage per critical are you doing when Backfire is fully stacked?

[covert meadow]

I went through Brooklyn like water

[magic pilot]

last season modifier

you dont need hazpro imo

[covert meadow]

Yup @magic pilot

Thats why I don't wanna use it now, when season is over it's useless

But I'll build urs @meager fog and run it back and see what's up

Appreciate it

[meager fog]

@magic pilot Also had a good suggestion, which will probably help as much, if not more

Try whatever you feel comfortable with.

^ Heroic Rogue Agents, with what I posted (but not a backfire build)

[covert meadow]

Nice run there 👍

[meager fog]

Honestly, should have put a foam chem in between them at 15 secs, to stop that other one running up to the roof lol

[subtle bluff]

Smg9

[covert meadow]

Lol ill follow that direction 👍

[meager fog]

SMG9 is love.

Still haven't tried the TAC this season. That should be nuts with full ROF boost

[covert meadow]

Looking for 52 chc here right?

[subtle bluff]

Maybe too much. Mag size issues.

[meager fog]

Because you have no coyotes, you are looking for as close to 60% as possible

With the SMG9, I currently have 57.4%

[covert meadow]

Mom yeah I just got it to 132 51

1 more will push it

Mmm*

[meager fog]

ALways remember, up until 60% CHC, you want a 1:2 ratio of CHC:CHD

[covert meadow]

Yeah im where you were 120 57

[meager fog]

Good, memento gives you two shield tiers, and the mask gives you a third. Gives your shield around 4.5m HP

[covert meadow]

Omy

[rich lotus]

Does incoming repair also effects the repair drone to repair armor? On yourself

[meager fog]

If you want to change the primary, Lexington with P{reservation works really well

[meager fog]

Incoming repairs affects all repairs done to you

[magic pilot]

courier btw

[covert meadow]

Oh wow, I thought elmo was gonna be the standing tall solider still but that lex packs a punch!

[rich lotus]

Thanks. So repair skill does the same, plus repairs to allies?

[meager fog]

Repair skills affects any skill that YOU use that repairs allies.

Incoming repairs affects repairs that affect you only.

[onyx sage]

incoming repairs also only affects skill repairs

[rich lotus]

But does repair skill also affect the drone for repairing my own armor?

[meager fog]

Yes, it affects all repair skills that you use

[rich lotus]

Alright. Thanks 🙏

Looking for a fun repair myself build. :). but didn’t really understand the difference

[meager fog]

T l:dr - Repair skill, useful when you're using repair skills.

Incoming repairs, next to useless because you can't guarantee other people will be using repair skills

[rich lotus]

Unless repairing yourself??

[meager fog]

Still, repair skills does the same thing and affects allies too. Making it a useful utility build.

Incoming repairs affects only you, nerfs your damage and offers no utility

[covert meadow]

Ty again @meager fog @magic pilot for your advice to fully built gonna put it on coney island

[meager fog]

Good luck, let me know how you get on

[covert meadow]

Mosdefintly will @meager fog 👍

[magic pilot]

gonna try this setup with tempest

[cerulean smelt]

will you let us know how it fairs?

[magic pilot]

i do not have it yet, might try and go for it

since there is a way to possibly get it still....

[cerulean smelt]

is the summit thing implemented already? thought it'd be something they'd add on the 23rd?

[magic pilot]

no different way

[covert meadow]

@meager fog clean bro! Tyvm for sharing! Gotta clean up my accuracy but build is smooth!

[meager fog]

Appreciate the feedback 🙂

Just got to practise that positioning, to avoid those revives 🙂 Next step is taking that revive hive out 🙂

Foam Chem helps with keeping enemies in front of you. Better positioning will help with preventing getting surrounded

[alpine tinsel]

Would iron lung be good on EP?

[covert meadow]

Yeah rogues just took it to me lol I got 1 but im rushing...you right though. Angles!

Dogon hive is a crutch! Taken it out right now!

[meager fog]

Revive hive makes you actively play worse, because you have a safety net.

The foam chem is my personal choice. I find it useful with my aggressive playstyl;e because I can get to spawns fast and lock them in.

Decoy works really well to preserve your own HP

[magic pilot]

tipping build

[covert meadow]

Yup 100% truth, I just figured it was needed but this build is showing me that

Now I don't want the armor

[obtuse crystal]

I might make this a change of pace from strikers

[magic pilot]

gonna give it a go

[violet juniper]

Why contractors and not something like cent holster?

Bloody knucks? etc

[cerulean smelt]

probably better for consistent damage i'd imagine

[magic pilot]

go for it lol

i just dont like centurion at all, and BK i only use for boss burns

[cerulean smelt]

i agree with you on the centurion holster. i don't like that "swap weapon" mechanic even though i still want to make a build based on it. centurion, the chest gunslinger talent and whatever it's called on the backpack with swap weapon mechanic

[magic pilot]

versatile

[magic pilot]

saw this awhile back

[cerulean smelt]

think the only centurion holster build i saw on youtube, i know eww, was a virtuoso build and pestilence doing some 1 million tick damage average XD tried it out and was impressed but i keep forgetting the weapon swap bit

[magic pilot]

i saw that one i think

[subtle bluff]

The only place I like centurion is in the tanker. I'm keeping the talent up 90% if the time.

[cerulean smelt]

😭 i get to go find me a scale mask and a new ceksa chest

[alpine tinsel]

I’m thinking nimble holster & tipping scales should pair perfectly….

Suppress-> reposition-> armor healed-> return to shooting with no lost stacks. Could be the shit if i can get tipping scales gear that doesnt come with crap like status effects and blind resistance

[alpine tinsel]

Devils Due or Contractors Gloves for a Tipping Scales build🤔

[subtle bluff]

Devils Due is really bad. A placeaid (I cannot spell this brandset AoK bonus one) is better and can be put in any slot.

[subtle bluff]

pic with no context. kewl.

[subtle bluff]

Ya I have my first Ceska that's locked to obil and then a 2nd that's has a free talent slot.

[ivory compass]

context was in #ask-td2-community but i literally dont even know enough about the game to know what to ask about my build anyways ngl

[subtle bluff]

copy paste the context? I don't look that channel a lot I'm mainly a build guy.

[cerulean smelt]

from what i saw scrolling through the conversation. they mention bluescreen with ND and think something along the lines of not enough ammo

[coral reef]

@subtle bluff guy says that he is always out of ammo and wants to know why

[cerulean smelt]

love Fiftysdeath burn with the "missing" (> <)

[subtle bluff]

TY. @ivory compass run gunner is the answer.

[ivory compass]

its either a skill issue from my part or my dps is low and im having to shoot a lot for some reason, i guess

[coral reef]

@ivory compass you just need better rolls on the pieces my man. Everything goes to CHD in there. Your CHC should be 50%. And you need Contractor's Gloves, thats it

oh and change spec to Gunner for sure

[subtle bluff]

Ya also you don't have enough dmg.

[ivory compass]

ye i gotta unlock gunner im doing the missions rn lol

[subtle bluff]

Ceska Obli is also needed.. Cloak is useless here.

[coral reef]

ALSO! you're not using gear mods? Gibus pls

[ivory compass]

using cloak entirely because i dont have other named items for that slot (and i dont have all the gear set pieces to be able to afford not using a high end on kneepads ;-;)

[ivory compass]

oh yeah true i literally forgot 💀

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen Nego is one of 2 of my go to builds for group Leggo normal or carry. Only because the targets are health.

[subtle bluff]

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[coral reef]

ditch all blue and yellow cores you have, replace them for CHC / CHD, go for contractor's gloves and you will see how amazing that build is (Negotiators Dilemma + Bluescreen)

[coral reef]

and what is the third talent on the Bluescreen? You want damage to armor, or CHC

[cerulean smelt]

nods ND useless if you're not at 55-60% crit chance

[subtle bluff]

He really really needs it to be CHC and Ceska since Bluescreen has Zero CHC/CHD on it.

[ivory compass]

its mag size but its all max stats so i prob wont try to change it unless i get a second bluescreen

[coral reef]

ah its ok, just try to hit 50-55% CHC with everything else and dump the rest into CHD. But yeah, those extra 24 bullets on a 200 mag size is nothing really

[subtle bluff]

Use Iron Lung instead it'll do you better than bluescreen by a good amount.

[ivory compass]

yea i saw that iron lung had some crit related attachments so i thought about using it

[subtle bluff]

CHC on Bluescreen is rather important

[coral reef]

Hey MrChow, do you have a veredict or opinion about Tipping Scales? Or still testing things out?

[subtle bluff]

Still testing. I only have like 2 hours in master with it done.

I need to get some replay of it and watch the uptime on it. I basically replaced my striker with it.

It works is what to say for now but the LMG matters to a degree because of the how stacks are built and lost.

[coral reef]

yeah you need high RPM i think

[subtle bluff]

For how I am able to play. I know how to keep shooting a lot to keep it up.

I need to make a heroic run Lincoln run to get a bases for normal PvE.

I did RMM heroic bounty with pesti but changed to CG and Vigilance

[coral reef]

I'm thinking of using it with the Military MK46 (perfect balance of RPM, Damage and mag capacity) only downside is the eternal 4.5 seconds reloading. That plus Tinkerer and Measured and Frenzy

[subtle bluff]

That reloading really hurts it.

I've only used it on Iron Lung and lil with BK and Pesti.

[cerulean smelt]

this is what i went into a retaliation with which i failed because time ran out on last cp. 1 million crits is nice though once you get that high

[coral reef]

This three, but forgetting about Coyote's and just rocking Contractor's Gloves and Fox Prayer Kneepads right?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska Obli and Contractor you have enough CHD already.

[coral reef]

yeah but how long does it take to get to that 1 mil number? Because you can also achieve it with Striker

[subtle bluff]

I haven't sad on the math for it yet

[cerulean smelt]

oddly enough. doesn't seem to take me all that long to obtain it

[subtle bluff]

like a few seconds of firing

[cerulean smelt]

the gun and pieces aren't even fully optimized yet either XD

[subtle bluff]

On paper with full on both strikers and tipping tipping has lil over a 1mill more burst DPS.

[coral reef]

I think its going to be... faster to achieve high damage with Tipping Scales, but higher ceiling of damage with Striker

[cerulean smelt]

please don't point and laugh 😹

[subtle bluff]

I need to do a showcase run on heroic mission

in a sense it'll act like BF if that makes sense.

You drop all of the stacks fairly quickly.

[coral reef]

BF?

[subtle bluff]

Backfire

[coral reef]

but then... just start shooting and you're hitting for 1 mill per crit again in seconds

[subtle bluff]

but then things aren't dead already and your having to play catch up.

Most of my lin heroic runs I don't take cover at all just LoS ads for a sec to reload or to reposition.

[coral reef]

I know Tipping Scales can be the shit, we need to discover how to exploit its potential

[subtle bluff]

It's has a good peak DPS but staying up there is another story.

[violet juniper]

Tipping bag or Backbone

what would you say is better damage wise

[subtle bluff]

So here's the thought without doing any math.... What Prod posted would be easy standard like Strikers but the same mindset for building just like Strikers running GC and Vigilance because of getting both TWD and AMP is good.
IDK if Backbone and giving the brandset up is answer.

[coral reef]

I just remembered that Weapon Handling improves reload times... is there anything Tipping Scales can't do???

[cerulean smelt]

btw: @hexed steppe Advanced Material skill tier levels (> <)

[violet juniper]

I love this

1.7-1.9 crit at full stack

[subtle bluff]

on a 600 rpm weapon.

[violet juniper]

I was using Cent holster prior to this, to be fair

I'm gonna test the gloves tmrw

[solar sable]

Chow, am I wrong on using, in my OD Tinkerer build, a gr9 as main and an MG5 as secondary?

[violet juniper]

it's whatever you want to use

your talents are what actually matter

[solar sable]

Just need some guidance

[violet juniper]

typically I'd use an IWI Negev, but GR9 is ok. Lower base damage, but higher mag and RPM

[subtle bluff]

if we're being talking very detail. mk249 or MG5

[violet juniper]

I also had season modifier active

• cent holster = fast

[subtle bluff]

ah. Haven't even turned those on.

[violet juniper]

It's a flat 30% ROF increase if you even have one control point taken

[subtle bluff]

crazy

Is that on default?

[violet juniper]

default im fairly sure

[subtle bluff]

actually makes sense why my pesti is over 1k RPM

[solar sable]

lolol

[violet juniper]

I haven't investigated too deep, but being in a contested zone gives you 30% rof increase

Not sure what a fully taken zone gives

[solar sable]

what's interesting with the mk249?

[subtle bluff]

High rpm

[violet juniper]

It's on contested by default in countdown, so I'm gonna assume that logic applies to off site mission and raids

[cerulean smelt]

so 5.11 has a use now with spiced up eh?

🤔 though zealot, aegis, provacator might be interesting to see how much DR we can manage XD

[solar prairie]

Which is overall better, Cayote + contractors/fox, or contractors+fox (for Tipping scale )

[cerulean smelt]

personally probably coyote since the set is crit hit starved

but i'd honestly say try them both and see which works for your playstyle

[hazy steeple]

Normally, a gearset focused around crit will require Ceska, or at least heavily favour it.

[cerulean smelt]

i've been moving the ceska piece around honestly, what i'm going to attempt since i'm trying to level up the Zealot where you lose the capability of aiming

[solar prairie]

Time to dust this off then!

[solar sable]

are those... RG?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, becuase the active modifier for outcasts you lose the ability to aim, so i though rugged gloves might aleviate that pain while i level it up and do the journey things for it

[subtle bluff]

Don’t need killer anymore.

[cerulean smelt]

thanks for the reminder. had a hell of a time with true sons active modifier

[solar sable]

ohhh so that's what they do
damn, I'm so excited to play this weekend

my old xbox may have died recently but my sister's series S had me covered

[shy willow]

If you ever get a replacement the series s is great value for money

[magic pilot]

I think the consistent 60% chc is super important with the set since your crits are almost 10x dmg of the non crits

[onyx sage]

yep getting 60% chc is very important

[vale merlin]

I really do wanna try a pesti build on the new set but I feel like I should wait for people to play more and see if the novelty wears off

[subtle bluff]

I'll be updating the guide with it maybe tonight.

After a bit more testing.

[stark flicker]

just got rav this gun is pretty nuts is there any reason to use lex over it other than firerate?

[stark flicker]

pesti is pretty antithetical to scales bc scales only buffs crits and pesti stacks don't scale with crit afaik

[shy willow]

Incomparable

But rav is a very niche gun it's nothing crazy outside of those niches

[alpine tinsel]

Gonna maybe tweak the armor exotic to coyote but this smacks

55% CHC + 80% CHD (BEFORE tipping scales bonuses), this shit hits 800-900k crits w the high end lmg its nasty

[solar prairie]

My anus just cletched after seeing GC.

[subtle bluff]

it's not a lot vs standard idea.

[gentle lichen]

which would be obliterate?

[subtle bluff]

I was trying to reply to the picture

not the GC one

[gentle lichen]

is that nimble?

[alpine tinsel]

On mine? Yes

[subtle bluff]

People still haven't learn that more one just one stats isn't better than getting other numbers

[alpine tinsel]

Wym

[honest moss]

In this situation with ts, would swapping any extra chd minor attributes for hsd be a thing to consider? If you are already at the intended chc mark at least.

[subtle bluff]

HSD adds to CHD it doesn't change the math.

[gentle lichen]

base chd helps with initial damage before stacks kick in

[subtle bluff]

More or less treat Tips Chest just like Striker chest but it's not as much more DMG liek strikers.

[burnt hornet]

Anyone been doing tinkerers and contractors? Pretty good time

[subtle bluff]

That's 2 pieces of the build yes..

[burnt hornet]

Feels obvious what the set is considering the topic we're on

[honest moss]

Oh right ofcourse. Guess it is sort of whatever then for any spare minor attributes? Thanks for the help.

[burnt hornet]

But it's 4 pc tipping and gr9 with frenzy and measured.

[gentle lichen]

do you feel like you can consistently upkeep your stacks above 50?

[subtle bluff]

Putting DMG in the range vs in actually are 2 different things

[burnt hornet]

Yeah as long as I suppress one guy who is already camping in cover it's weird to get used to but with the rof it suppresses instantly

[subtle bluff]

GR9 is crap on dmg and just barely above mid vs other lmgs.

for DPS

[gentle lichen]

i keep thinking in pvp situations
it's like it got hardwired into me

[burnt hornet]

It's not the gr9 that's appealing it's the magazine size paired with frenzy

[gentle lichen]

-# badum tss

[subtle bluff]

The new noob trap is becoming GR9 Frenzy.

[gentle lichen]

best bet with that would be a negev or mg5

[subtle bluff]

It works it's not great..

[burnt hornet]

I am quite literally a better player than you

[alpine tinsel]

So youre saying i dont have to lean all the way right into the damage in theory that “more number more damage more good”?

[subtle bluff]

MG5 or MK46/m249

[burnt hornet]

Talking up the m249 is comical shhhhh.

[subtle bluff]

well quicker DPS.

[gentle lichen]

can u empty +100 rounds in 5 seconds with frenzy?
ignoring the ludicrous RPM buff from global modifier