td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

Why is that obvious, it doesn't interact with Nego at all

[loud pine]

i know it doesnt it was a joke hence the emote

[magic pilot]

I don't understand that kind of thing somtimes, my bad

[hazy steeple]

This is why /s is so useful, no room for interpretation.

[fiery gust]

There's almost nothing Turmoil is useful in, so that's a dead conversation.

[past ridge]

I'm considering which second MMR I could use with the Tinkerer, having a Headhunter / Determined build. I have a question about Eyeless or Sadist. Does it apply the bleed / blind debuff on one shot ,meaning a oneshot will give +30% damage ?

[patent fossil]

I've been enjoying running it with The Sacrifice and strikers, for solo heroic stronghold it's let me get some pretty good run times (eg 8:30 DUA) without the skill required to play regulus effectively. Just focus on whatever enemy is most convenient to shoot and you'll melt others too. The slightly slower kill speed isn't generally a problem if you're positioning yourself carefully.

[hybrid storm]

no u need to kill 4 mobs before being able to apply blind or bleed

[past ridge]

And once I killed 4 mobs, will the next one shot apply the bleed/blind AND give the bonus damage ?

on the same tick / kill

[subtle bluff]

0.o what the question is this..

Why would you need more dmg with HH?

HH MMR should be doing +24m dmg.

[urban latch]

Id take an 1886 without turmoil over an MMR with turmoil though

imo turmoil is really overrated, more people need to check out nego

[hexed steppe]

Your best bet for that is probably streamlined or ranger as your secondary for mmr tinkerer. It also may just be overkill since determined setup without tinkerer is already 1shotting.
I have used it in HH determined rifle setup and the second rifle using rifleman. Determined also stacking rifleman since its headshot based.

[violet juniper]

no, the talent will function exactly as normal

I wouldn't run either, without reliable ways to proc bleed or blinded. Behind You, Ranger, Rifleman are all great perks

[spare harness]

Is eagle bearer good for pve at all or is it more a pvp thing?

[solar sable]

pvp

[violet juniper]

PvP. It's meh at best in PvE

[hazy steeple]

So what's that Tinkerer OD build again?

[subtle bluff]

I updated the OD guide in the build hub

With it and some other stuff

It needed to happened.

if you have any opinion on the guide lmk. I didn’t check it too well with my English.

[hazy steeple]

I guarantee you speak it better than me, and I was born with it lol.

[subtle bluff]

NAH… When my friends call me speaking sometimes chowieees it’s a thing

And any text

[gentle lichen]

first time on pc. what to do

[magic pilot]

Lexington at shd 1 lol

[strong cave]

Welcome to PC club but bro Lexington at SHD 1 is wild 😭😭

[pallid star]

Been playing for a while, need to mix things up. Not sure what to do atp

[versed summit]

I’d recommend checking out some of the build guides in the pinned spreadsheet.

Certain gear sets can really spice things up

[honest moss]

Reminds me of when it first dropped as a gift. Seen an unfortunate amount of non shd level lexingtons 😭

[strong cave]

I felt so bad for all of those who got forced into level 1 Lexington's

The fact they didn't think to make it a mailbox item and locked it to Level 40 was a crime... Eh, those responsible got 2 from them lmao

[honest moss]

That was incredibly stupid imho, given the original plan of it being a 1 of a kind lol

[magic pilot]

I have 2 lvl 40 but I didn't mess them up

[strong cave]

Same here. If people logged into the game on a mule character at the time, it would gift them the gun but at their appropriate level. Well, if people logged in and they were on their literal Level 1 mule, they got a level 1 Lexington

Or, if they had no room on their other characters and made a new level 1 character to claim the gun, it would also do the same. Or if they were full, they simply just didn't get the gun at all

[hexed steppe]

Priority would be setting up a ninja bike build. Then, when all the laughing stops, you get serious and set up Mortar Supremacy .
lmk if you want some help farming the unicorns

[magic pilot]

Monday I'm off work, I told him I can help then. Won't be on this weekend

[hexed steppe]

lucky.. wait ig im off too. still on-call tho 👴

[magic pilot]

sweet the more the merrier

[solar prairie]

Does FI healer (chest, setup BP, BTSU glove) still have a role today or should I switch this out to MA healer?

[solar sable]

MA?

[solar prairie]

Measured Assembly

[shy willow]

Measured assembly doesn't even come close to competing with FI

[solar prairie]

I guess measured is good if you are running with 3 team mates doing 6 reds, nothing much to heal XD, and standard FI for raid and such

[wispy hollow]

MA is very situational. FI is overall the best healer out there.

[hasty sluice]

OD with tinker is just like sadist + fast hands right?

[worn imp]

Since headshot damage is calculated addatively, I dont know what will get me more damage? +30% headshot damage and +10% marksman damage. OR + 25% marksman damage?

[subtle bluff]

Um.. uh?

Where are you getting your info to say this stuff?

[worn imp]

its true i tested

and ive heard others on here say

[subtle bluff]

Without HH you know how to math your dmg?

[worn imp]

?

no

[subtle bluff]

Then how can you say it’s HSD is what..

[worn imp]

addatively calculated

[subtle bluff]

On itself yes.

Just like CHD, WD etc

[worn imp]

I:E not multiplicative of the total value. only multiplicative of the base damage value of the sniper

[subtle bluff]

let me go fine my infographic

I dunno if I posted on here

Damage Infographic

[worn imp]

so if im not counting it as a crit, then just exclude all the crit values from the formula??

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[worn imp]

@subtle bluff Is this true?

[subtle bluff]

With HH in play stuff is different

There’s a full guide in the pinned messages that’ll explain this better than I can atm.

But the answer is Yes and No.

[hasty sluice]

at what point is it better to forgo 60% CHC for like 56% CHC and just pump CHD

[subtle bluff]

When you’re wasting too points into the cap. Why I always say closest to without going over cap

[hasty sluice]

Thats a a fair way of putting it

[subtle bluff]

Like the other way to look at it. If you have like over 200 CHD you want to hit 60 CHC because you want every point to crit.

[errant hornet]

Any good pve shotgun builds to try out?

[hasty sluice]

head hunters fury is fun or just hunter fury with a shotty

[magic pilot]

Chc * chd = whatever crit balance gets you the highest number use that

[solar prairie]

Would explosive resist also prevent you from being pushed out of cover if its capped?

[hasty sluice]

OD truly is cracked now

[hasty sluice]

That is part of Sawyers kneepads

[solar prairie]

Ah so no amount of explosive resist can prevent being staggered out of cover except that.

[subtle bluff]

Yup. But if you're getting hit by that many explosions there is something else wrong going on.

[subtle bluff]

TBH this is sleeper gear.

[hasty sluice]

Very good damage and no explosion staggering is nice. One issue.

You cant rotate on the spot anymore.

It really shouldn't count as "movement"

[subtle bluff]

You become the turret.

[broken cradle]

Any good advice for a DZ Striker build with the Tinkerer? I want to melt rogues and actually partake in manhunts

[subtle bluff]

Not really with Striker. You don't get time to build your stacks

[gentle lichen]

It depends where and what weapons you use
If you really want to make an effective striker's you'd probably not use tinkerer though

Something like a chatter striker in dz south stairs is brutal

[subtle bluff]

Yea there's not really 2 talents makes it really worth it too

[gentle lichen]

are we goated?

[wintry mirage]

Hello, so I am new to the game and my main objective is doing support build. (Like is there any sub-divisions on support?) Any advice on that?
My main focus is increasing damage or healing/repair.

[gentle lichen]

You can do both with future initiative

[wintry mirage]

What's the level requirement on that?

[gentle lichen]

Just 40 to play with everyone else

[wintry mirage]

Got it and tysm.

[subtle bluff]

There's 2 version this maybe harder to get due the setup. In the pinned messages there's a bunch of stuff

[wintry mirage]

I see..

[strong herald]

mrchow, i dm you

[subtle bluff]

I don't do DM's what's up?

Build stuff ask away here.

[strong herald]

oh yes

[simple saddle]

do anyone have a good build for the catalyst mask please and thank you

[subtle bluff]

There is no "good" build it doesn't boost DPS.

[broken cradle]

Noted. Thanks

[rich lotus]

• 4 piece future initiative
• Alps summit backpack with safeguard on the talent
• btsu gloves
  (Run 6 skill tiers and the survivalist specialization for more outgoing heals. Also put Repair Skills on every attribute of your gear)

For skills, I recommend healing chem because it’s the best for heals, and healing hive for fast skill haste with the BTSU gloves

[wintry mirage]

Thanks for the advice tristan

Currently completing all the side quests and stuff.

[rich lotus]

Also… (sorry for yapping, I hope this helps u out)

Put incoming repair mods on your gear if you yourself want more heals

[wintry mirage]

(no worries!) And the mods are..

[rich lotus]

You can only slot them in though… they don’t roll on gear.

[wintry mirage]

Ohhh

[gentle lichen]

safeguard overkill on repairs imo
FI already has a great ability where it boosts heals for those close by

[rich lotus]

If you want to insta heal tanks, and keep your team from dying… safeguard is needed

[gentle lichen]

and you'd usually heal full reds or 3-4 blues mostly

[rich lotus]

I’ve tried it without plenty of times, safeguard just doubles your heals

[gentle lichen]

if a tank is losing lots of armor quickly maybe they aren't tanking great

[rich lotus]

You can def go without it you’re not wrong… I just think that’s more of the move if you’re strictly a PVP player

[gentle lichen]

safeguard pvp?

[rich lotus]

No I mean running without safeguard is a PvP move lol

[gentle lichen]

no it isnt

[rich lotus]

It’s ballsy to go into the dz without any cores, that’s why u never go skill build

[gentle lichen]

yh so you tech and kard to get 2 blues
and run birdie cause its op

[rich lotus]

if you want to heal in the dz, your best bet is a ninja bag cavalier build

[gentle lichen]

aw hell nah

[rich lotus]

That way you stay tanky, worked wonders awhile back in a manhunt

[gentle lichen]

cav you need bag for the uptime
and heals will not be good

[rich lotus]

safeguard is dumb to run in PvP bro lmao

[wintry mirage]

Well, I just need to level up to level 40.. 😭

[gentle lichen]

exactly so why are you suggesting it

[rich lotus]

You’re gonna be losing armor ngl, everyone will focus you if they’re smart

[gentle lichen]

even in pve cause overkill

[rich lotus]

Safeguard is the goat in pve, that’s what I’m saying

And it’s def not overkill, that’s why people suck as healers ☠️

[gentle lichen]

pve 1 chem from a mid healer can fully heal any striker player
and youll be more as a damage buffer keeping everyone topped off for FI buff

just use this and everyone will thank you

safeguard is only giving you diminishing returns the more you invest in repair skills
but giving your team a 15% amp on important targets? oh yeah

[subtle bluff]

What the…

Safeguard…

Without we already heal enough. Like it’s in your stats.

[subtle bluff]

Also things that are dead don’t hurt.

[gentle lichen]

If you put safeguard here it'll actually be a ~50% repair increase not even 100% as stated cause you already got 210%

Once again
Diminishing returns

[subtle bluff]

Here’s both guides. If you follow the QR there’s a in-depth part of the guide that’ll show you more of details.

[strong cave]

Safeguard 🤢🤢🤢 why not use Setup backpack? Tf? 15% increased damage from all sources is exponentially better than being able to heal for negligible amount with the requirement being full armor

on top of the good heals already

[gentle lichen]

"Mb gotta heal myself before you so i can heal better"

[strong cave]

Literally 💀

[wintry mirage]

I tried the QR and it didn't work, but I am thankful for the guides through.

[strong cave]

What's next, ninjabike with 2 piece monkey, 3 piece future?

Smells like a KVD build.

[gentle lichen]

Good luck
You'll probably get kidnapped into incursions a lot with that

[wintry mirage]

I'll just have to do the FI.

[subtle bluff]

Oh. Thanks for that I’ll have to check that.

[wintry mirage]

Hopefully so. I do like being helpful.

[wintry mirage]

No problem! The guide really helps me since I am more of a visual leaner lol

[subtle bluff]

Dropping heal chem on yourself and your proc FI heal like nuts.

[subtle bluff]

Oh I get it. I hate typing a ton which I already suck at so why I make guides.

[gentle lichen]

Exactly the move you do in pvp since all heals are halfed there

[wintry mirage]

Yeah, just simple diagrams and pictures, along with explain just really helps instead of google documents. Better to have slideshows than word out speech.

[subtle bluff]

We try. I like it and don’t at the same time.

[magic pilot]

Unfortunately sometimes players don't even like to verify that words are even on these guides

[wintry mirage]

People just casually read quickly and ask question when they skip over it. 🤷‍♂️

[magic pilot]

Some people skip over all the words and then ask why there is no words lol

I wish I was kidding

[wintry mirage]

😭 People do not read the fine prints.

[gentle lichen]

how should i know the red rolls are crits man

[magic pilot]

Stop😭

[gentle lichen]

we gucci man

with killer crits are 59.1% and 140%

[grim plank]

any advice fot tinkerer od build pve? lmr, ar rifle?

[magic pilot]

Lmg: mk46/m249
AR: police m4/famas
Rifle: personal preference

Killer+ sadist for solo

Measured+ sadist for groups
Not sure on talents for group play for rifles, maybe sadist+ boomerang

[grim plank]

no sadist? for group, ill do more dps on people who have bleed

[magic pilot]

Uhhh

[grim plank]

its 30% extra dmg to bleed enemies

[magic pilot]

Yea read what I said again real quick

[hazy steeple]

"use sadist"
"but why aren't you using sadist tho?"

btw just tried it out myself, and hot damn that Sadist+PressurePoint combo is brutal.

[magic pilot]

It's like free flatline

[hazy steeple]

That reload with the build is so fast that it actually finishes before the reload ends, allowing you to fire as you're still reloading.
although that may be a connection thing.

[grim plank]

lmao i thought i saw no sadist mb

[magic pilot]

That sounds like a connect thing😭

[hazy steeple]

Little benefits of playing down under!

[grim plank]

i use now sadist with pressure point on LMG, u think killer is better on my secondary? my chd 16% chc 55% killer still a good choice then?

[hazy steeple]

I will say that my testing was done with 2 different MG5's (one military and one base) as that's what I had in my stash.
And they're still sprinting through enemies.

I think one had swap and the other was dta.

[magic pilot]

Killer will do more yea

Sadist+ pressure point

Killer+ sadist

[gentle lichen]

killer my babe

[hazy steeple]

Just to confirm, it doesn't matter which talent is on your equipped weapon, right? So if say it's Sadist+Killer, you can use either on either?

[ionic scaffold]

Is the HazPro Backfire build highly dependent on this season's modifiers? Or is it viable even on the next season? Planning to build one but not if it's only good for this season.

[urban latch]

after 3 reloads or max backfire stacks you'll stop bleeding, so theres really no reason for haz pro on it. If bleeding is happening enough to be an issue, thats just the game telling you to run something else for the situation

[grim plank]

THATS whats the tinkerer mask is saying haha

[rich lotus]

Just HAVE to use your primary weapon to have both talents…

If you swap to your secondary, you will only have the secondary talent

[hazy steeple]

I'm just clarifying, as this game likes to twist and flat-out lie.

[magic pilot]

You are correct, some are a little buggy though

[meager fog]

I believe Boomerang is bugged, only works if its on the primary weapon for some reason.

[magic pilot]

I thought there was some that weren't working thanks

[still lava]

Wtf is the point of this

Why reduce the threat then increase it when you have two pieces

[magic pilot]

Balanced, as all things should be

[patent fossil]

If you want to reduce your threat, just run that named piece and no others.
If you want to increase it, run a couple of different pieces from that set, but not the named one.

[honest moss]

Would this be a good idea for a MR/mantis build? Was thinking of trying it with the mantis specifically.

[gentle lichen]

Did someone test/confirm the threat stat isn't a placebo?

[honest moss]

Was wondering this too, is 50% less even noticeable to begin with? Might need to just try it and see i guess.

[patent fossil]

Tbh as long as you throw your decoy out first (before enemies notice you) and reapply whenever it expires, and keep getting one hit kills, basically no enemies will target you

No real need for the kneepads

[willow thistle]

Can someone recommend some decent lexington build for solo

[subtle bluff]

There are only very few weapons that have specfic builds for them.

[sick schooner]

good combo for SMG tinkerer ? Killer + Streamline or Killer + Fast hand (Vector 9mm/typical striker build)

[meager fog]

Basic strikers build.

[quiet arrow]

brooooo why isnt tinkerer working guys 😔

[onyx sage]

bug, boomerang must be in primary weapon talent slot

[quiet arrow]

thank you bro

[quiet arrow]

so why does boomerang not work now?

[onyx sage]

it works in first slot, just doesn't work in second slot, it's just a bug

[quiet arrow]

are they planning to fix it?

[onyx sage]

it's on known issues board, you can check

[scenic briar]

based on the history of bugs in the game, don't wait for it to be fixed in any particular timeframe

[meager fog]

Especially since it has a workaround that involves simply swapping the weapons around

[scenic briar]

that's not quite a workaround since Tinkerer specifically only applies to the gun in your primary slot, so you wouldn't be able to use your original gun with the dual talent anymore. best to just recalibrate and swap the gun talents around

assuming you farmed up guns with innate DTTOOC and saved the recal for the talent, which you should be doing anyway

[quiet arrow]

wait its with ar's too?

[scenic briar]

Tinkerer works with any two non-named, non-exotic guns of the same weapon type, but only while you're holding the gun in the first slot

[quiet arrow]

im only confused because it doesnt show killer when i swap the things out

[scenic briar]

if I had to guess, there's probably some inconsistency with how Tinkerer handles on-gun UI elements like Killer. the most reliable way to check would just be to take it to the firing range and see if you get a damage boost after a kill

[hasty sluice]

does this happen with other tallents?

[onyx sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hasty sluice]

😭

[hazy steeple]

I tried out a Sadist+Killer (killer on 2nd) combo before, and if Killer wasn't working, then all the enemies were having sudden heart attacks.

that combo is brutal.

[subtle bluff]

Killer is always strong if you can keep killing stuff.

[honest moss]

This is just a rough idea but, in theory, would a yellow OD w status effects using the setup + scorpio be any good? Thinking of putting it together but i am also unsure on the chest talent i would use since as a support build i wouldn't need the OD chest. Any recommendations appreciated

[hasty sluice]

Sadly bleed isnt a very viable damage dealer in Div2

[honest moss]

So the OD part is to buff my groups dps along with the setup and scorpio, i would likely be running foam and emp/whatever for other skills

[subtle bluff]

whats' the Skill Teir's doing?

and what are you trying to do?

[honest moss]

More foams, basically an OD version of eclipse/f.i support builds

[meager fog]

Just a waste of time tbh

[subtle bluff]

Check out the guide in the

build hub. I updated there's a support OD version tehre

God damn enter button next to my B button..

[honest moss]

I do have f.i and eclipse already, was more for variety but thanks!

[honest moss]

Thank you mrchow!

Oh wow the spreadsheet is super fancy now. Or the updates are, awesome job btw to everyone on it!

[hasty sluice]

ah I see. that could work.

[broken cradle]

How do you get tipping point gear set?

[subtle bluff]

You don't.... Where did you see it in?

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't run strained here anyway

[broken cradle]

On X

[subtle bluff]

Go look at the post again...

[broken cradle]

And YouTube

[hexed steppe]

You need to make a kill with a crit to activate killer. I've used it in the second slot and it shows next to your weapon

[magic pilot]

Yea it works fine for me

[magic pilot]

Chows work, he's going crazy on it

[hexed steppe]

Show image

[subtle bluff]

I just need to get motivation to do stuff... 😤
Enough Tinkerers question and OD builds were asked sooo it needed an updated

[broken cradle]

Tipping scales not point

[hazy steeple]

Even if the information came directly from MSV themselves, I'd still be slightly weary about believing anything that KVD says.

[subtle bluff]

We're in Y7S1

[meager fog]

Play test

[solar sable]

So we don't read

[scenic briar]

PTS means playtest server, i.e., it's not released yet

[coral reef]

Brother you need to let us know when you update the builds your word is gospel to us

[hazy steeple]

Okay calm down.

[magic pilot]

You shoulda known that from the other day

[magic pilot]

All the builds are current, he's just updating the format

[coral reef]

Yeah im seeing it right now, it was always missing a pic with the actual gearset effects

[magic pilot]

That's in another tab -> gearsets

Both brandset and gearsets

[hasty sluice]

messing around with semi auto snipers and tinker.

Its kinda fun what you can pair

or you can just go sicko mode and use determ + streamline, and just deal an unholy amount of damage.

With streamline it does 3mill more total than my normal setup.

[subtle bluff]

Uh...

[gloomy spruce]

Um, the breaking point gear set does nothing to boost MMR damage. Rifles are a completely different weapon class.

[hasty sluice]

it boosts both .-.

[onyx sage]

breaking point 2p does give mmr damage but even then you're losing out on handling which is arguably very important to have

you already can hit every damage threshold without having to use 2p breaking point especially on mmr

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, I just looked that up. It does boost both. 2 pc hotshot would give you weapon handling which would be better.

[onyx sage]

that's 3p hotshot

which would be my recommendation anyway

[gloomy spruce]

I thought the 3rd piece was headshot damage

[hasty sluice]

Ah. never really used it so... I dont know much about HS

[onyx sage]

i'm not sure if you're speccing into hsd or crit here but if going crit using gear set pieces is a loss

[onyx sage]

yeah you're right

[hasty sluice]

So hypothetically. If using a semi- sniper 2~3p hotshot would be better

for the handling.

[onyx sage]

if hsd yes

[gloomy spruce]

2pc hotshot over 2 pc breaking point

[hasty sluice]

good to know.

[onyx sage]

if crit you just wanna run high end

[hasty sluice]

This is what I run for my normal head poping setup. I hit 23m with it

[hasty sluice]

crit sniper setups are still a thing?

[onyx sage]

idk, i saw you running gc

cuz if running hsd headhunter is no brainer

[onyx sage]

you'll get more mileage running 3p hotshot here

chainkiller, airaldi, last spot is flex

[hasty sluice]

oh I was testing with gs since I do not think id be able to up keep headhunter very while spamming shots down range.

[onyx sage]

can even run tinkerer if you want

[subtle bluff]

I'm so lost what you're trying to do.

[hasty sluice]

drop the BP and 1 airaldi for 3p hotshot?

[onyx sage]

drop the gift

use airaldi with vigi

[hasty sluice]

not the gift tbh. I have it since when I was making the setup I could not for the life of me get a good rolled airald vigi backpack

[onyx sage]

it's not that hard to farm, but it's worth dropping, you're getting 30% hsd back from 3p hotshot

[hasty sluice]

but ill keep my eye out I guess lol.

[hasty sluice]

I was just messing with semi- snipers with tinker.

[rustic jackal]

Running OD + Tinkerer + Wicked- GR9 with Sadist + Pressure Point
Would it be worth swapping out some CHC/CHD for DTA?

[hasty sluice]

trying to make something that wasnt just determination go brrrr

[gloomy spruce]

Tinkerer hsd sniper build, it looks like

[hasty sluice]

why Gr9?

its a very meh lmg

[rustic jackal]

Oh really? What would you suggest? I'm open to anything just heard it was supposed to be good atm

[onyx sage]

no, OD needs crit. the build setup as you have it are fine. just gr9 as azbybs said might not be best choice. people recommend mk46 or m249

[hasty sluice]

I use the IwI negev Simply cause I like it but you can pick what you like and also be informed https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/htmlview#gid=1392226193

[rustic jackal]

Ok that gives me a few options, time to start farming a new gun 🙂

Also, what a pain in the ass trying to get a Ceska backpack with WIcket + CHC + CHD 😐

Sorry last question RE: that, when i do get one of those guns, what would i want as third stat, CHC (if not at 60%) or CHD?

[hasty sluice]

CHC so you can make a mod CHD

or just use DTTOOC and just say oh well

[onyx sage]

yep, chc is most optimal on there, you get 9.5% chc compared to 10% chd which is terrible value, it should've been 19% chd instead

[rustic jackal]

Yeah i noticed the ratio seemed a bit off on those 2

[hasty sluice]

ngl ima miss this season

its just funny.

[wispy hollow]

That CHD will be nutty next season

[rustic jackal]

What's causing that this season, the seasonal mods? (Sorry returning after 5+ years)

[rustic jackal]

very interesting

[hasty sluice]

it do be kinda wacky.

[rustic jackal]

I notice there are several M249s in game, 'M249 B', 'Tactical M249 Para'
Which is the 'good one' ? 🙂

[subtle bluff]

There all the same

Check the Gearsheet

[spare harness]

if someone is running OD is it worth swapping something to sadist or is it better to keep killer/measured

[subtle bluff]

30% amp is pretty hard to beat..

[spare harness]

Would I swap measured or killer? I'm assuming measured

[subtle bluff]

Ya that works.

[magic pilot]

For solo swap pressure point for killer

[wispy hollow]

Dont they already have Sadist ? Do talents double up ?

[buoyant perch]

no they don't double up

[wispy hollow]

Thought so. Thanks.

[onyx sage]

i think he meant swap pressure point for killer

[wispy hollow]

That makes more sense

[magic pilot]

Apologies I'm under the influence

Killer is what I meant

[sweet kiln]

Any advice on a DPS build that is somewhat tanky and you don't need to RUN all the time? Strikers need to have stacks consistently, and I think Heartbreaker is similar?

[patent fossil]

Ongoing directive, Negotiators, high end crit

Not innately tanky but like strikers you can throw on a few blue cores

[meager fog]

DPS is DPS. Survivability comes from playstyle. Positioning, movement and knowledge.

Adding survivability lowers DPS, meaning enemies are alive for longer thus negating any form of "tankyness" that you might add.

As kettle said, you can add blue cores. But at higher difficulties this doesn't really help.

[sweet kiln]

I am not as fast as I used to be so my playstyle would be more strategic, take some cover, and then go again. So am wondering if something could work with that. I understand dps is sacrificed

[subtle bluff]

If you don't want to deal with Stacks OD. If you want striker like DPS but tougher HB.

[meager fog]

Strikers can be played exactly this way.

You dont need to be in the enemies faces. Theres a reason ARs are recommended.

The best advice I can give, and it's so basic yet most seem to not do it, use cover to cover moves.

You take a MASSIVE amount less damage while in a C2C move than running from cover manually.

[limpid niche]

what are the use cases for eclipse burn vs foam? is it just choosing one or the other dependent on if ur dealing with black tusk?
i kinda don't feel like building both

[sweet kiln]

Thanks for all the advice!

[subtle bluff]

One is a "Fun" solo build the other is a support build.

More one is DMG one is Support

[hollow birch]

Can anyone recommend a build using Tinkerer and an urban MDR rifle

[subtle bluff]

OD checkout the Pinned Messages

[subtle bluff]

Just leaving this here for the updated guide

FI Guide | FI Healer

[dry garnet]

hello friends
What build to do master dificult in solo?

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage

[versed summit]

This is probably the easiest build to use, but tbh I wouldn’t do unless it’s for the challenge

[opal glade]

The umbra set is something right down your alley i think.
It gives damage boost when out of cover and armor regen when going back into cover

[pliant pelican]

53% crit chance 129.4% crit dmg, bad or eh?

[magic pilot]

I'd drop ninja, you are just gaining a little reload speed and losing vigilance, which is already bis with heartbreaker since the bonus armor will keep it active. You also should run a high end AR preferably one that has a long rail system for the linked laser point

•lose ninja for ceska vigi backpack
• high end AR with long rail system ( locks you to technician)
• coyotes mask or grupo piece instead of improvised

[pliant pelican]

i do have this? i could just swap talents out on.

[magic pilot]

Perfect, then just run ceska for last slot

[meager fog]

Das a nice backpack

[pliant pelican]

recomendations? hands or Holster? the build was first memento 4 piece heart & improv holster

[magic pilot]

Either or

Same thing effectively

[meager fog]

I just wish we could somehow remove all Ninja Bike Backpacks from the game to stop people making that mistake 😆

[hoary sail]

don't forget to mark has prefer ur stuff u want to keep to avoid mistake

[pliant pelican]

oh i usually just yeet it into my stash.

[hoary sail]

trust me do that it will save u some time

[pliant pelican]

tho be curious what is this long rail system?

[magic pilot]

Large attachment slot on the rail for AR

[pliant pelican]

ah

is there any pref AR's to choose from? like famas Lexington?

[urban latch]

lex is pretty objectively the best AR, although its a fairly slight margin

also lex can use the pulse attachment and famas/others cant

[pliant pelican]

otherwise i do have this Famas that i could just switch talent on.

oh right what talent should i give it?

[urban latch]

ideally youd have dtooc on the third roll. For talents it depends, but for HB ideally flatline. But not on that famas

[pliant pelican]

this has Flame talent.

so just flatline and go the rocket and woo?

[urban latch]

yep

ignighted is pretty useless

[pliant pelican]

these good, or anything i should switch out?

[urban latch]

Switch the hsd for crit

[pliant pelican]

dmg or chance?

[urban latch]

Whichever you need

[pliant pelican]

40% crit chance 157.3% dmg

[urban latch]

You need a lot more chc then

[pliant pelican]

ight

its 50% right?

[urban latch]

Switch the chd mod to chc as well

[pliant pelican]

all of em?

[urban latch]

Ideally you'd have 60% chc and over 120%/as much chd you can get

You still want the laser pointer and +20 mag, but you can change around your crit on the rest of your build

[pliant pelican]

sadly i dont have fully maxed chc. so i am at 56.2% chc & 124.2% dmg

if i switch my pointer on the weapon i go to 61.2% chc
114.2% dmg

[urban latch]

the hard cap is 60% chc

you want the laser pointer

[pliant pelican]

i am usin that

idk if you can see it but. it is eqiupped. do thinking how i can remove 1.2% chc for dmg lol

or if anything else. i should do "like my Skills" or anything else.

[worn elbow]

Heartbreaker?

[pliant pelican]

Yessir.

[magic pilot]

Just swap a gear mod to chd

[worn elbow]

Nice try to get a little bit more of crit damage or use killer talent

[magic pilot]

That's about where HB is at on chd

It's a pretty crit starved set

[worn elbow]

Ye

[pliant pelican]

alrighty. i am atm at 58.2% chc & 124.8% dmg
switched a mod on the lexington

[worn elbow]

Ye that should be enough

Now go enjoy breaking some hearts

[magic pilot]

If you get coyotes and ceska backpack it's a little more flexible on crit since you'd want to be around 50% chc

[pliant pelican]

any skills recommended or my current good enough? i'm rocking the shield & revive.

[worn elbow]

That’s what I use too lol

[pliant pelican]

i do have this.

[worn elbow]

And I use memento with the setup as well

[pliant pelican]

got both tinkerer mask on some heroic, not sure if its 100% or just me being me.

[worn elbow]

After 400 shd lvls still using the same setup

[pliant pelican]

this was my original build. with the improv holster.

what if i used tinkerer and just two high end assult rifles. with killer & flatline talent? - and holster to heartbreaker for that 4p

[worn elbow]

But did max out the armor on the holster

[worn elbow]

I did use that it’s nice

[pliant pelican]

i did maxa it all out aye.

[worn elbow]

Nice

[pliant pelican]

did the good ol noobie mode. followed a yt build, hence the heartbreaker lookin like this. but i do is curious if tinkerer could fit with heart bc of the x2 talent thing.

[worn elbow]

It can

[pliant pelican]

tho. what High end weaps should i go for? is it the M4. or anything fancy

[worn elbow]

M4 or the carbine

Both work well

[pliant pelican]

ight. welp time to farm some mats for this

[versed summit]

P416 too

[pliant pelican]

i did get a honey badget im prob just dropping killer on for "use"

[versed summit]

Honey badger is really good too

[pliant pelican]

i dont seem to have any luck crafting. is Damage to armor good enough?

or is it important for the dmg out of cover?

[versed summit]

If you’re going to invest anything into it it’s worth it to get DTOOC

[pliant pelican]

ah

[magic pilot]

Not having dtooc isn't detrimental, but I wouldn't optimize anything that doesn't already have dtooc

Ideally you find something with it already on so you have a rerollable talent, like how people do with Lexington

[pliant pelican]

ah so i gotta run that fancy Countdown?

well good news. i got Flatline rolled onto my M4 so i can just plop on the out of cover

i suppose something like this

just gotta re roll my holster and i should be good.

[magic pilot]

I'd go less blue cores if possible buts it preference

[pliant pelican]

hmm. in that case i'd lose 12 expertise, sadly

[magic pilot]

You don't lose it if you reroll anything

[pliant pelican]

i can't re roll. sadly all my Craft is the red cores. so i'd have to recraft em for red.

[magic pilot]

You aren't losing much with the armor anyway

All your pieces at 25 expertise is less than 1 armor core

[pliant pelican]

so all red and roll?

[onyx sage]

armor expertise adds so little anyway, you're not missing out on much

[magic pilot]

I don't use HB anymore but when I was using it I had 2 blues

The less blue the better tbh, but the blue cores are also nice for the shield tiers

[pliant pelican]

just boring how the game is shaped around Striker. everywhere i ask for bulds ppl just striker so trying find new stuff - more fun.

[onyx sage]

because most people coming to this channel are new people and if a new player is looking for something that gets them through most content, the answer is obvious

if you want something else, you have to voice that out

[pliant pelican]

been lookin for either hb dilemma or just idk sniper. some different fun

[strong cave]

looking for a high end shotty build, crit based. anybody got any recommendations?

(i already know about HHF and normal hunter's fury)

[onyx sage]

we also always say that it depends on the kind of content you do, if you're doing easy enough content literally any build slapped together works, our advice scales up to legendary and other hard content

sniper and negotiator have build guides on the pinned sheet

[onyx sage]

i think you can take just the normal high end build and make slight tweaks to it since the good crit shotguns only have 2 mod slots for crit instead of 3

[strong cave]

ill investigate it. im trying to fit tinkerer into the build since ive used it with AR's, SMGs and Rifles so far. and of course LMG's

dont think I have a choice and will have to run memento to prevent myself from dying constantly

[onyx sage]

fast hands are also pretty nice to have for crit shotguns to mitigate their slow reload too, especially relevant for tinkerer. brazen + fast hands is the default combo

[strong cave]

I was hoping to go towards Optimist + Brazen. fast hands isnt a bad option tho

[onyx sage]

optimist isn't that great for pve especially if you have expertised weapons

[strong cave]

ive got this so far

just pieces I had lying around for the most part. yes Ik the main shotgun could be better

even using the old ammo dump holster bc why not, its free ammo

[pliant pelican]

fabcy o:

[worn elbow]

What build is this

[magic pilot]

Honestly not bad

I'd definitely go for fast hands especially since you have a mag fed shotgun

[strong cave]

high end shotgun build I went for with tinkerer since ive never used it with shotguns. taking tinkerer locks me out of hunter's fury

[worn elbow]

So this a shotgun build

[strong cave]

its made with pieces I had lying around

[magic pilot]

I mean you can use HF just have to use chest or bp

[strong cave]

yucky no thank you lmao

[magic pilot]

HF would still be stronger I think, and more utility

[strong cave]

at that rate id just go HHF

[magic pilot]

But I know what you mean, it's wrong

[onyx sage]

i agree with fifty here

[magic pilot]

High end shotguns was not great the last time I used it

[strong cave]

I mean, I can squeeze a tiny bit more damage out of this build by taking W&H bag instead of using liquid engineer

[magic pilot]

But worth a shot

[strong cave]

the regen isnt really saving me. issue is well, I have to get it to drop what I need so i can roll blue core

[magic pilot]

Walker or imminence

Palisade actually would be best option, then you can run firewall

And it comes with blue core

[strong cave]

damn it doesnt like the B word i got tripped by auto mod 😭

if im banned yk why fellas

[magic pilot]

It doesn't auto ban, just mutes you if you do it too much in short time. Trust me

[strong cave]

palisade might do me best tbh. 20% AoK would go good since i get 10 off gunner already

wait...... I could just use firewall shield. DUH

[magic pilot]

Yea that's what I mean lol

[strong cave]

nah the aok would probably be a bit better

[magic pilot]

Firewall all day, unique amp

[strong cave]

ill do some testing with it for my playstyle and adjust accordingly

[onyx sage]

it's multiplicative

just like foxes

[magic pilot]

Dtooc?

[strong cave]

of course the moment I go to summit just to run a test... rogue agent detected 💀

fk it we ball. im gonna use this build to beat em. just use foam 😂

[magic pilot]

Honestly will work well on them

[strong cave]

ez pz

this build is actually kinda nice as it is tbh. might actually keep liquid engineer. the bonus armor boost VS normal bloodsucker is nice. more uptime

[crystal token]

this is a good piece for skill builds right?

[strong cave]

the regen saves me a tiny bit as well taking liquid engineer. obviously not meant to be a full on tank and absorb bullets but the passive regen is nice as well. my weakness already from what im seeing is black tusks with robot dogs. especially the gunner one

[versed summit]

it can be

[crystal token]

is there like a better version of it

[versed summit]

depends on the skills

skill haste skill damage usually works better, for stuff like mortar, but this works as well

[crystal token]

yeah was hoping for a good mortar build tbh saw iKia had something in the build library

[hot prawn]

Hello, can you guys recommend a build for DZ? 😄 that can pvp and pve

[south dove]

Hi All, I'm in level 40 and have couple of gears, but don't know how to make a good build. Anyone willing to add me on PS5 and i'll share my screen and you can kindly walk me through it, pls?

[magic pilot]

Builds will either be good in PvP or PvE

They are very different

[strong cave]

blue strikers, ceska with oblit, memento backpack. St elmo's as primary

for dz run EB and just proc headshots to basically be invincible. thats for landmarks obviously

outside of landmarks, Mortar hit it right on the nose

[hot prawn]

Noted, thanks! I'll try to get EB then.

[strong cave]

EB is nice to have, not mandatory. St Elmos will do just fine

[hot prawn]

Got it!

[worn imp]

BTW anyone here know if I can somehow remove the red X of the Spotting Drone while aiming down sights?? (screencapped it here to the left of the red sight)? Its kinda distracting when trying to headshot mfkrs. And no, i wouldnt like to use pulse if i dont have to.

[hexed steppe]

Perfect for mortar

[hexed steppe]

Look into mortar supremacy. You'll thank me later

[light grove]

Bonus points for using it during Hollywood.

[pliant pelican]

so i switched around my HB from blue main cores to red. (crafting) but i somewhat gave up on my kneepads. am i fine rocking 1 blue core, or should i keep tryin?

• New stats are 47.5% chc
  121.8% dmg

[solar sable]

chc is a bit low I'd say, do your main weapon's mods suffice?

[strong cave]

Ditch a CHD mod and take a CHC mod

[pliant pelican]

roger

[pliant pelican]

i will have to check once i am on again. i beliv they all were crit dmg from last switchery.

[icy rune]

I've heard fun things about a Striker's build with Chatterbox as an alternative to Hunter's Fury. I know it's not meta, but if I ran 4 pieces of Striker's, what other 2 pieces could I run, other than Memento when I'm grouped? What specialization and secondaries could help? Finally, could swapping cores help with survivability? I'd like to run in Heroic, if not Legendary.

[shut viper]

Hi everyone, I have purchased the division 2 from steam , and when I try to down the resolution to 2k and I press apply, the screen becomes frozen and I can’t control anything anymore, so I have to turn off the game by pressing on X , and retrying the same thing again, and it gets frozen

[glad heart]

Not to be a killjoy, nor pretend I am something i am not, but this should be in the troubleshooting section, not in build advice 🙂

[hoary valve]

need help with one build for the journey on journey mission 6 for one i need help with is dame hostiles with 2 different skilss within 5s

any builds for it?

[frank dune]

i just put on a turret and striker drone, and did random bullshit around the open world

plus some story quests

just make them attack the same target, you drop them with your guns, move to the next

[winter moth]

Hello, can you please advise decent head shot build>

[meager fog]

Yes. Head hunter Determined. Check the spread sheets in the pins

[hollow birch]

Is the Tinkerer talent incompatible with Rifleman and Killer?

[hazy steeple]

It 100% works with Killer.
you're using Tink right, yeah?

[hollow birch]

yes

but i cant see killer impact

[subtle bluff]

It's a bit harder to see it working well on a Rifle weapon.

Since killer is based around Crit.

[hazy steeple]

If you want an easy way to see it in action, throw a sadist+killer combo on 2 LMG's, and get tickets to the drowning pool concert.

[fading escarp]

how would you rate this build for DZ pvp, this build is mostly for fighting back, not starting fights:

[subtle bluff]

Why Yaal?

[red island]

look solid tbh, you won't survive a 4 man obv but def can survive and fight back VS 1 or 2

your dps won't be high either but still decent

[fading escarp]

hazard protection, mostly

[red island]

tbh I'd ditch the bag to get something else

[fading escarp]

i also have this build that i saw someone run in the DZ and pretty much slay everyone, seems to have decent armor and offence:

[fading escarp]

such as?

[hoary valve]

why am i getting two shotted in conflict

[red island]

depends who u facing

[red island]

well dépends on what u need, ninja is good on very specific situations, mostly for pvp, but the fact u lost bag talent is really hard on dps

[fading escarp]

what backpack talents are good for pvp?

[red island]

bag talent are usually a big dps increase, for most build that where the most of the damage comes from, it really depends on the build, but take vigilance for example, it's a flat 25% increase damage, that's insanely strong

[subtle bluff]

It's more why go forthe 3rd pcs bonus vs something else that'll give you 2 bonuses

[red island]

also having a normal bag leave you open for another exo

bug again, it's def not a bad build to survive

[dreamy spruce]

By fighting back I’m guessing you mean you go in to farm landmarks mostly?

[hoary valve]

anything wrong?

[fading escarp]

correct, i know my chances are pretty low if im shot in the back while doing a landmark or something but if i happen to run into a rouge i'd want a build that lets me clear landmarks and also put up a decent fight if i have to. i just dont want one that relies heavily on armor or armor regen + bighorn as i hate using that gun and i hate those builds..

[subtle bluff]

Context helps.

[subtle bluff]

May I ask why are you doing landmarks?

[fading escarp]

what else is there to do in the DZ other than greifing? there's also DZ only items that i'd like to get for any potention furture content

[dreamy spruce]

You could use a momento based build if 90 percent of the time you’re in a landmark.

[hoary valve]

anything to fix with the build

[subtle bluff]

What's the build for?

[fading escarp]

wouldnt i lose the 40% pulse reist and the 4piece umbra bonus with a different backpack? would it be worth it?

[onyx sage]

there is no dz exclusive gear, everything can be gotten with just pve

[fading escarp]

certain armor piece's and projects can only be gotten while doing dz contact, i know there is also conflict but thats a bit boring for me personally.

[onyx sage]

if you mean yaahl and syscor, there is an argument for farming yaahl but there are alternatives, but syscor is just not worth farming

[subtle bluff]

There must easier to from when you can do Red Star farming for Legacy Caches.

[hazy steeple]

@fading escarp If you're talking about Named Items, you can get them via Named Item caches, which can most readily be farmed during Global Events.

[subtle bluff]

The build explain nothing..

[hazy steeple]

They're asking what the purpose of the build is, like, what do you want to be able to do with it?

[hoary valve]

keep dying in conflict

[hazy steeple]

You want to keep dying in conflict? You don't need help with that.

[hoary valve]

-_-

[subtle bluff]

You can post that there why not here at first?

We dunno what you're trying to do. That's why I asked for Context.

[subtle bluff]

what skills are you using here hive and sticky?

[solar sable]

Stinger hive and Burn sticky it seems

anyways, Chow, he wants advice for pvp

[lost wren]

on heroic with 4 people, is it better to run ceska ob chest or striker chest?

[dreamy spruce]

With pulse resist I’ve heard it’s either all or nothing. You can run 4 umbra complete set and then a good chest of your choice with unbreakable or perfect efficient named chest for survivability.

[onyx sage]

i would say no but just test it out

[lost wren]

no to what?

[onyx sage]

?

oh sorry, no to striker chest

[hazy steeple]

Heroic really doesn't have that much tankiness for enemies, which is the only time it's worth running the Striker chest.

if ya can't keep the stacks up: go ceska

(overall, that means it's only good for the Raid/Incursion/~Heroic CD)

[hoary valve]

fire sticky

[subtle bluff]

I'd assume so but he doesn't want to help himself out to be helped.

[fading escarp]

i have an umbra set with armor and CHC/CHD with some hazard protection but im not in game so i cant show the stats but going back to what you said my initial set (the yaahl set) has 99.7% pulse protection, im still trying to get a perfect mod so i can reach 100% but its proving to be ...difficult..

then general idea behind the build was to remain off rouges radar when they pulse and to shut down anyone using the hearbreaker build or whatever set has the enemies hit will be pulsed and add damage and armor bonus'

[hoary valve]

Stinger Hive and fire sticky

[magic pilot]

You can't be super aggressive with umbra

Unless you go full blue, but then you do no dmg if you have no dark buff

[subtle bluff]

He's really slow to reply it's kind of pointless.

[dreamy spruce]

Gotcha

[hoary valve]

nah i was in the shower to forget about my metal pain

so if you want to give up on me go right ahead idc

[subtle bluff]

If you don't help yourself why should we help you. Anyways.

[hazy steeple]

@hoary valve Don't be so dramatic.

You asked for help with a build, people are nice enough to try and help you with the build.

[hoary valve]

who’s we

[hoary valve]

wasn’t trying to make it dramatic i was answering him

[hazy steeple]

I'm 90% sure that I've heard this as a monologue from my local am-dram.

It was described as "rote".

[tired falcon]

if there's one thing all div2 players are good at, it's making everything overly dramatic. All part of the meta 😛

[subtle bluff]

I mean he hasn't answer the context question... Other than dying in Conflict...

[hazy steeple]

"i want to die in conflict" is a PvP build even I can manage.

[tired falcon]

for example if you want to see ImMrChow go academy award level enraged, just mention ninja bike backpack and build/loadout in the same sentence; let the LoLs ensue 😛

[hazy steeple]

I should start a yt channel with TTS called "outcast rusher", thats about the most efficient way to die in any mode.
but it'd just be "use grenade".

[tired falcon]

I know but at end of the day it's just a game. Everybody chill

[subtle bluff]

Funny thing about that was about the suggest it but again... no context. I am chill..

[hoary valve]

hold up

[hoary valve]

first all what would ninja bike backpack do i know what it does but benefits i will get out of it

because already running four piece umbra

[magic pilot]

Well tbh I'm not a fan of vigi in conflict because of the pesti users

I'd rather go 3 umbra 2 lengmo and ninja

[tired falcon]

don't worry about it, ninja bike backpack doesn't have a practical use in pvp anyway

[subtle bluff]

NBB actally can be good in PvP....

[magic pilot]

Umbra ninja capacitor is one of the best all round builds rn

[hazy steeple]

and it's great for distracting people, because they're too busy laughing at you.

[subtle bluff]

it not BiS by any means but it has it's spot.

[tired falcon]

the path of least pain is to test the pvp builds pinned in this discord server somewhere, I always forget what it is but it's there; see what works for you and go from there

[magic pilot]

There's a ninja bike build in there lol

Or should be idk if I added it tbh

[onyx sage]

he forgor

[tired falcon]

I used to run it in pvp for joke builds, like 3 umbra, hollow man mask, one cavalier, using either backfire or Iron Lung as primary.
It worked for a while then stopped being practical.

[magic pilot]

It's not on there, but I will update it on Monday

[hoary valve]

which set pieces for lengmo

[kindred mango]

Chow*

[tired falcon]

my latest joke pvp build is an all blue striker with tardigrade, that perfect galvanize backpack, blinder firefly, decoy, and foam grenades

[magic pilot]

Doesn't matter, just make sure you have umbra chest

[hoary valve]

what the skills i'm running stinger hive and fire sticky

[dreamy spruce]

Defender drone is always a good pick up especially while you learn positioning with umbra.

[magic pilot]

Defender is solid or decoy

[solar prairie]

Whats a good talent to put on the harvest, my build doesnt rely use pistols so anything general is good, maybe determined?

[subtle bluff]

I mean if you're not using Harvest just keeping orbit on is better

[versed summit]

Or TDI “Kard” Custom

[dreamy spruce]

I read that wrong every time 😂

[hazy steeple]

👀 .

[onyx sage]

lol

[broken edge]

here's some cursed build i'm using while grinding random priority objectives, made for absolutely no reason other than getting a slingshot with outsider from an event cache

[tired falcon]

bleed hive does insane damage in conflict

[solar prairie]

Is the striker shield bonus damage additive or multiplicative?

[onyx sage]

separate multiplier is the term but yes

[shy willow]

!addimulti

Oh oops

[grim plank]

Is there a better build then tinkerer OD LMG? Hitting 1mil on body 1,3 mil on the head.

[subtle bluff]

Strikers

[subtle bluff]

Damage per bullet isn't the best way to measure your dmg output.

[grim plank]

Striker what?

[subtle bluff]

You ask for a the for a build. Strikers builds do more..

This is OD tinkerer too.

[grim plank]

U hit 2,4mil on body how?

[subtle bluff]

OD Rifle

[grim plank]

Can you send me both builds 🙏🏼

[subtle bluff]

But again dmg per bullet isn't a good measurement for dmg output

You using the build

[grim plank]

I don’t use rifle, don’t like playing with rifle, more lmg or ar

But striker builds does more?

[subtle bluff]

Do like making me repeat myself?

[grim plank]

What are you running with striker?

[subtle bluff]

It's in the pinned messages

btw what is the build your using atm?

show it.

[subtle bluff]

what's your CHC/CHD?

[grim plank]

53% chc 150chd

[subtle bluff]

should be 54.5 / 153

[grim plank]

This is my striker build, 58%chc 151%chd

[grim plank]

I can change with mods

[subtle bluff]

Don't use GR9

If you're gonna use LMG why have a shield.

[grim plank]

Which lmg should I use? I still have to swap the shield to decoy

[subtle bluff]

Same stuff as OD but different talents

[grim plank]

What talents should I use?

[subtle bluff]

Killer Measured

imo tinkerer isn't needed for strikers

[grim plank]

Okay ty

[grim plank]

Is strained also good or optimist for measured? It looks good tho but idk what the meta is atm, haven’t played for a while. Otherwise I will use measured

[subtle bluff]

strained and optimist do the same idea... Just measured gives more TWD.

[worn mango]

The nice think with Tinkerer for Strikers is that you can use Preservation or Fast Hands as utility. It's fractionally better with Measured/Killer than Coyote Striker's because of Killer being proc'd, but if you're in a group Coyote offers more benefit to the entire group. So if you see everyone running Tink a single Coyote is 'better'

But I've also been addicted to Frenzy/Killer with LMG's. Little bit more maintenance of when you wanna pop Frenzy but it's fun nonetheless

[gentle lichen]

soo for carnage i'd only want DTA or would i go for other stuff like CHC?

(can extend to other lmgs too)

[onyx sage]

chc

[gentle lichen]

ripp but on pest DTA would improve ticks right?

[onyx sage]

ye

[magic pilot]

I'd still go chc

The lengmo build is still 1.6 million ticks with chc

[subtle bluff]

Don't forget the other half of your dmg output is normal DPS.

[gentle lichen]

yh only time i wont shoot enemy is when i can't see them :)

[subtle bluff]

Fair enough.

[spare harness]

How does this look for AR-tink ongoing? anything that could be improved/changed? ( didnt get to optimize parts/change cores or w/e just a rough sketch)

[wispy hollow]

I found AR OD not as great as in higher level content, enemies take more bullets to kill and I was running out of OD ammo. Instead I ran the same setup but with LMG (bigger mag) and that worked beautifully.

[red island]

change the bag for the one that give bonus damage when you proc status effect imo

forgot the name thl

[wispy hollow]

Wicked

[gentle lichen]

This one has higher ceiling (18% vs 25%) but ye you'll struggle with not enough ads

[wispy hollow]

2 LMG (One with Sadist, other with Pressure Point), Wicked talent on backpack

[red island]

it's also easier to get it going, and is stable

[cinder dirge]

you could use vigilance instead of UF

[red island]

wait what is the 2nd AR talent

[gentle lichen]

Measured

[spare harness]

Measured

[red island]

is that measured?

[cinder dirge]

pressure point is definitely better than measured

[spare harness]

I havent changed anything yet cuz i just swapped it on from my striker 😭

[gentle lichen]

Killer i'd say

[red island]

yeah idk if it got bugged but I would never run it

run anything else tbh

[gentle lichen]

Actually very good nowadays

[spare harness]

measured is nuts unless the topic is still on OD, i can actually aim like a human being and control my recoil so i just lazer stuff with the 2010

[gentle lichen]

First half is kinda placebo but last half is -18% RPM for 30% damage

[red island]

yeah but that mean you waste half a mag everytime you wanna dps

[cinder dirge]

killer and measured are the best talents on ARs without status effects. with bleed it's sadist and pressure point

[red island]

so that's like half a mag of no dps then you can dps, and you better not reload early

[spare harness]

idk its just preference. i never have issues with it

just hit headshots 4head

[red island]

all gear is preference but there is a better talent

[gentle lichen]

@cinder dirge i'll refer to this

[meager fog]

PP for Group play, Killer if you want to solo

Measured is fine if you wanna use it, but objectively Pressure point is superior

[spare harness]

againididntswapanythingyet i should have clarified i was mostly talking about weapon choice and armor setup 😭

[cinder dirge]

famas good, orbit good, 2nd ar doesn't matter, armor good

[magic pilot]

Wrong

[cinder dirge]

measured is a 9% increase over nothing, pp is 15%

[subtle bluff]

measured is pretty good.. just players don't understand or like it's gameplay

[subtle bluff]

9%?

[magic pilot]

Well depending on what side of the mag you have it can be a huge increase

[subtle bluff]

Even then. People only look at measured WD cons.
argh this is hard to explain into words..

Measured without any other DMG buffs yes isn't special.

[magic pilot]

Second half of measured is 25% increase. With no total weapon dmg

[subtle bluff]

But if you have that much like OD Tinkerer build.
You're the small -WD and +RoF is actually increased of DPS.

[magic pilot]

First half is -10% dps

[subtle bluff]

No..

If you look at it Per Bullets sure.

But if we're counting DPS it's an increased.

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rOMhYg43vrK7oM2KRSbctAIIy_BrO-f_uQP0-rver4U/edit?usp=drivesdk

I'm just going off the talent sheet with the striker build

[subtle bluff]

Prod.... Do you need..

[magic pilot]

But yea I know what you mean with the rof increase

[subtle bluff]

SIR.

[magic pilot]

Since od doesn't have rof sources

[spare harness]

what have i started 😭

[subtle bluff]

-10% is DMG per Bullet

[magic pilot]

My bad I just woke up😭

[subtle bluff]

Measured as always be misunderstood.

[spare harness]

i think its super good idk, again i know how to aim and can handle the famas recoil so i just beam ppl with it 😭 i dont notice a dmg drop

[gentle lichen]

ppl?

[magic pilot]

Most people just don't like how the rof changes it throws them off

[subtle bluff]

I've used it for a long time and have been given shit a lot about it.
But the numbers we need to know is its TTK.

[spare harness]

people 🤦‍♂️

[cinder dirge]

measured used to be really bad

[gentle lichen]

as in players conflict/dz?

[spare harness]

just in general enemies w/e just using it as broad term, not rlly dz and conflict cuz pvp is bad

[subtle bluff]

Nah, misunderstood even then.

[gentle lichen]

i was about to say i do NOT wanna see that in pvp content

[cinder dirge]

measured was like a 2% dps increase back before it got buffed

literally worse than everything else except utility

[subtle bluff]

...... I hate explaining this.

TTK numbers will say otherwise. I just hate trying to explain this.

[cinder dirge]

higher dps = lower ttk. talking in terms of ttk cannot change the fact that measured was objectively the worst damage talent

[subtle bluff]

First off if you go look above to the pics we posted. The first half the mag is higher DPS than the 2nd half the mag.

[subtle bluff]

Higher DPS = Lower TTK???!?!
You mean lower Mag Dmg....

I don't feel like doing this atm.. This is gonna hurt. So I'm just out.

[cinder dirge]

if an enemy has a fixed amount of health and you deal more damage per second then they will die faster aka a lower ttk

[subtle bluff]

Gonna go make my guide to explain this at some point

[red island]

the first iteration of measured was actually a dps decrease lol

having no talent was better

[gentle lichen]

Just put the house in the bag

[red island]

the apartment was something lol

[stark flicker]

Is that new set on the spreadsheet and if not what are the 2/3/4pc talents

[magic pilot]

It's on it

[stark flicker]

what can I make for improvements if any? https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXA6FpYY5RMyszcICZwL7yNsTi7SGPKBWOOwzgUzC9g+Wo0E44-FqmDAA7DGBdlSRtglac23bk2TkB3SiA

[subtle bluff]

GC

[vestal ibex]

Depends on your goal. "I wanna meme the highest tick damage I can from a pest tick" then go with PGC over foxes as it increases the tick damage. If you want build for pest tick damage it's a nerf to your overall damage potential anyway.

[stark flicker]

I heard pesti was good on legendary and was trying to see how you could build it

[subtle bluff]

idk about good but works.

I don't like using it on leggo

[magic pilot]

I run the same build, it's pretty good on legendary. Obviously striker is still best to run

[solar prairie]

Besides jammer & banshee pulse, what other quick skills can I use to apply status for OD?

[subtle bluff]

Riot Foam

[hazy steeple]

Riot Foam chem launcher is a classic, and comes with 2 shots (with the mod) at base value.

[subtle bluff]

Either the launcher or the nade

[hazy steeple]

Banshee should be more than enough though.

[solar prairie]

I always hit someone else in the group instead.. accidental discharge..

[subtle bluff]

Once you understand it Riot Foam is actually really strong.

[hazy steeple]

If you catch a spawn when it's letting out a group, tag them and you've now got a very nice kill box.

[hexed steppe]

emp sticky. instant use is hitscan and faster than any other status option aside from the bleed ammo

also make sure you get some of that bleed ammo in primary and secondary regardless if tinkerer is being used. quick swap to secondary for emergency status application if main runs out of bleed ammo is well worth

emp sticky just goated in a lot of builds, ngl

[subtle bluff]

I really need to make the Overview of it..

[hazy steeple]

"emp hurt beep boop, foam good for breathey things"

I can condense it down for you if that won't fit.

[shy willow]

Even for humanoids the emp sticky staggers it can come in clutch

[hexed steppe]

so good when something is refusing to pop up when in cover

and that double click takes no time, or really thought when you use it all the time

[meager fog]

Capitol building second area, trick shot right into the spawn point from the gate makes me feel god like every time 🤣

[strong cave]

Anybody ever try memento OD with Scorpio? It's super fun with a few blue cores and memento

[strong cave]

Oh! I also tried that rifle build with OD you mentioned. Didn't have Nego on me as that's on my pvp character... But damn the crits are insane 🤯 not a fan of how rifles constantly bounce around without weapon handling but they weren't too awful to use. I'll have to play with it more. Appreciate the pointer

[meager fog]

@subtle bluff You wer right though....I love the SMG9 lol

[subtle bluff]

welcome

[meager fog]

Gun go brr

[subtle bluff]

It's hits harder now.

[strong cave]

👌🔥

[pliant pelican]

so i am curious. either i made this wrong or i ain't getting any bonus armor shooting.

[shy willow]

Are you using the linked laser pointer/headshotting

[pliant pelican]

i am. with a vigil backpack

unless i'm doing something wrong.

[brittle bloom]

Sometimes HB bugs try taking a piece off then back on

[pliant pelican]

alrighty.

is there anything to improve im 47.5% chc 121.8% dmg

[hazy steeple]

Your CHC is a tad low.

[pliant pelican]

should i try for 60% or keep it around 50?

[obtuse crystal]

Depends if you’re using coyotes or not

[pliant pelican]

i am using tinkerer

[obtuse crystal]

Get as close to 60% as you can without going over

[pliant pelican]

alright

[obtuse crystal]

Also that’s without the seasonal modifiers make sure you have them off when you check your chc because it’ll affect it

[pliant pelican]

ah.

if i'll eqiupped coyote with modifiers im at 53.9% chc 112.8% dmg

[red island]

why vigilance if you build so much armor ?

[pliant pelican]

idk. was told to run it so i am :p

[red island]

its a good bagpack, but its completely anti synergy here

[pliant pelican]

oh? then i must find a new one.

[red island]

i mean your bag says : dont get hit to do damage, and the rest of the build says : its ok to get hit you gotta lot of bonus armor and regen anyway

its not like its bad for dps, it just doesnt multiply your forces

[pliant pelican]

alrighty, what would synergy with HB - pulse thing?

[red island]

unstoppable force would be good i guess

[pliant pelican]

i could run unstoppable force? or bloodsucker looks intresting.

[red island]

bloodsucker for more armor otherwise

or you can get the bag hb and get a chest talent

[pliant pelican]

what about uh ald rush? when your near an enmy - gain armor?

[strong cave]

Don't get hit to do damage but if you don't know, you can take damage while having bonus armor and it won't take away Vigi proc

[red island]

oh, since when ?

[strong cave]

May as well run hunters fury at that point

[strong cave]

Since always. Bonus armor doesn't count towards base armor

[red island]

when then vigi is good then

[strong cave]

Well, it does, but the keyword here being "Bonus"

[red island]

so much has changed in gear talent, i cant keep track, maybe my memory is just bad, but back then i used to remember it didnt stay on even with bonus armor

7 years is a long time man

[meager fog]

as close to 60% as you can get. Turn off modifiers too, because red cores add CHC on seasonal modifiers. Need to know it'll work after the season ends

[strong cave]

I believe that. A lot of things have either changed or long since been bugged out

[red island]

yeah some stuff has been bugged for so long we dont even remember whats normal lol

[stable jackal]

Does anyone have a good Ravenous Build? For normal gameplay on heroic without shield and Rev-Hive. Ravenous as main weapon

[strong cave]

3 Zwi, contractors, fox's prayer, coyote mask. All crits. Oblit chest talent and unstoppable force backpack

Since you're not looking to use a shield and revive hive, run a decoy and take smart cover

Gunner specialist

Secondary weapon will be an M16 with boomerang

[pliant pelican]

any other fun assult rifles i should be lookin for durin this build? or is M4 the go to?

[stable jackal]

But thats all red cores right? So ill be squishy as hell

[strong cave]

Yes. But that's what good positioning is for

[stable jackal]

hmm to puneshing for my taste

[strong cave]

If you need life back, just get kills or swap to left shoulder

[strong cave]

Taking ravenous as the main gun is already punishing enough

[stable jackal]

fair, but she looks awesome

[strong cave]

It's niche, at best

Way overhyped

[hazy steeple]

Ravenous and overhyped in the same sentence is a bit....

If it wasn't a Raid gun, most people would relegate it to the Dread Edict pile.

[strong cave]

But but but.... I love dread edict

[strong cave]

Do you usually play with blue cores?

[stable jackal]

My normal build is striker ninja back, picaros, fenris chest. 3 Blues 4 reds

[hazy steeple]

That explains a loooooooooot.

[strong cave]

Well, there's your problem. Ninjabike

[stable jackal]

how? it works great with lexi and vector

[hazy steeple]

The ninja/fenris/striker combo is explaing a lot.

fifty, be gentle.

[strong cave]

Ninjabike directly nerfs your build by a huge amount. Choosing ninjabike over Striker backpack, you're leaving nearly 30% more damage on the table. Fenris, 10-15% more weapon damage for ONLY AR's. Plus the slight accuracy boost for 2p Fenris, isn't worth it. Makes the vector useless.. Picaro's, sure, gives you 10 skill haste and 1 skill tier. Ninjabike gives you another skill tier, sure, but striker isn't meant to be a hybrid. It's best to go 4 pieces striker, ceska chest piece with obliterate, and coyote mask. You could even roll a few pieces of striker to blue and it'll still dominate. With or without a shield

[hazy steeple]

(as a side note: fenris isn't even as good as that, since it works off the base damage, on a full red build, it's closer to 2-3%)

[strong cave]

Even if you took the chest piece for striker with Ninjabike, it's still a nerf. You can't manage 200 stacks with the chest. It's better to do more damage than to survive more bullets

[stable jackal]

Im not building for pure damage and run n gun builds, i have enough damage and good survivability plus my skills can do some stuff

[hazy steeple]

What difficulty is this?

[stable jackal]

I dont want to have a pure damage build and run rev hive or shield

i play on heroic

[strong cave]

And that's good, as long as you survive. But saying a full red build is too squishy for you when youre dependent on blue cores shows the difference in at least playstyle

[hazy steeple]

You don't need reviver hive on a damage build, in fact, after a while the only reason you'll ever use it is for newbies.

most of the time you don't even need a shield, just learn proper placement, and use cover.

[strong cave]

I run reviver and shield on the build I recommended you, but I rarely use the skills anyways. I have clips of it in #ask-td2-community

[stable jackal]

well if you get ambushed by rouges or surrounded i do like to be able do not die imidiatly

[hazy steeple]

div2 is a very long-term game, it's not meant to be a "jump in and be amazing with the right setup" kinda deal.
Think of it is 50% what your build is, and 50% knowing how to use that build effectively in the content you are playing.

[strong cave]

Swap shield to riot foam. St Elmo's engine. Rogue's dead, encounter complete

[stable jackal]

nope

[hazy steeple]

(and its rogues, rouge is a shade of red, most often used for makeup)

hunter drip is great, but its far from fabulous

[strong cave]

I face rogues all the time in a full red build and rarely if ever do I die to them

[stable jackal]

becuase we play differently

[strong cave]

Only time I die is by making stupid choices and place myself in a position where I'm surrounded

[stable jackal]

my build works for me, i was just looking for a ravenous build as i found it in my stash and wanted to try it out

[hazy steeple]

@stable jackal Take the advice or don't, but this channel is called "build advice". If you just want people to agree with you, you are in the wrong channel.

[strong cave]

Division is both a looter shooter and math game after all, and the numbers don't lie

At the least, if your build works, power to you

[stable jackal]

All i did was asking for a build idea for ravenous and what my conditions are, thats all

[strong cave]

If you wanna swap a few pieces to blue with my build I recommended, it'll still perform

Just make sure you utilize right shoulder with ravenous and swap to left once when you reach max red stacks

Spam that, enemies go boom boom, enemy dead

[meager fog]

The problem is, like so many, you come into an advice channel asking for advice with a set goal in mind for yourself.

The advice you will get in here is the optimal advice available to be the best in class for your chosen weapon or gear set, based on facts and math.

What you won't get is "Use it with whatever you want because that's how you want to play"

Everyone is free to play how they want, but advice will come from a place of optimal set-up and optimal playstyle that matches the core point of the game: KIlling things fast, to clear things quickly.

[strong cave]

As well as environmental factors, who you'll be fighting, etc. It's like recommending Tip of the Spear but your main weapon to use is Ouroboros

[meager fog]

I have Cold Relations in my name....it's a poor weapon in practise because it literally can't even reach it's own talent ceiling....but I love running it.

I won't recommend it to others, because for an optimal setting it's just not great.

[strong cave]

Ravenous is niche, not many good uses with it. It's a rifle, which locks you out of striker. Since striker is all about hurling bullets constantly and hitting targets, Ravenous will not perform. You won't reach your damage cap on time bc you'll likely be dead or the room has been cleared by other builds. The only route to go is high end. A&8 won't get you there and Definitely not Virtuoso

[strong cave]

I love System Corruption greatly and even if you and I play very different forms of content, I cannot recommend System Corruption to be used

You love Cold Rel, I love Sys Corr. We are basically the same lol

[worn elbow]

I was thinking of a pvp conflict build like umbra but idk how to set it up lol

[strong cave]

I got you

[strong cave]

Umbra Capacitor w/ Firewall

this is the setup everyone and their mom runs. you can swap to technician for the extra skill tier and squeeze more damage and skill utility out of the build. probably the most optimal setup for Umbra in PVP. I do have an alt setup but its barely any better. Skills can be whatever you want, Decoy is just there because its really good for hitting flanks. any other guns will shred on this build, its just that versatile. Capacitor is best in slot due to it having damage to armor on the weapon already. very unique AR. also gives more weapon damage per skill tier you have

[strong cave]

Umbra Streamlined w/ Tinkerer

This is one that I personally use. For most up front damage in terms of Burst DPS. Be warned. this combo locks you out of skills for that reward. If you manage to score a down but cant push, toss your seeker. Or, if somebody is holding a corner and you cant push, toss your seeker. Make sure you drop your decoy when you need to flank as well. You will lose a ton of damage by doing so as it disables Streamlined, but youll still have enough damage to get a kill if need be. It's an alt playstyle I found to the Umbra/Capacitor meta. It takes practice, timing, and good positioning to use this setup... But it MELTS

[worn elbow]

Thanks my friend

[strong cave]

The second build I use more than the first. But if you're dipping your toes into umbra, you'll have an easier time with the first. Second build likely will get you hackused of cheating... Gets me hackused all the time 😂

[worn elbow]

Lmao

[fading escarp]

is it possible to reach over 1mil pvp damage without hacking?

this isnt my build btw just got downed by this guy in the dz

[gentle lichen]

No reaching over a mil in damage with some weapons is more than possible

[grand condor]

What is the minimum armor anyone should have? Even dps. I got 1.2m

[strong cave]

DPS? 720k

[grand condor]

So how do I even shoot on Legendary? Lol I die from 1 shot with 1m

If I am in cover and go up to shoot I die in 0.0001 sec. So being DPS not being able to shoot 90%. The time is not dps 😇

[strong cave]

That would be a positioning issue and target priority plays a lot into factor

@onyx sage this is your speed, you know full red Legendary super well

A few blues in legendary isn't bad, usually 2 will suffice. I can say so for myself. But if you know how to position and the spawns and everything, needing blue cores is just a crutch

[onyx sage]

it's a positioning issue, if you position correctly you can shoot without being shot back

use only tall cover, don't use crouch or short cover

from what i'm reading you're probably peeking from short cover, so the solution is obvious

https://youtu.be/nzbtviNZ2o0 watch the beginning of this vid and see how he peeks from the dumpster and kills everyone. you want to use this kind of positioning. he's using full red with perfect glass cannon so the problem isn't armor

[strong cave]

Per chance do you know if the SMG9 got buffed after Y6S2?

[onyx sage]

it's only seen 1 buff iirc

[strong cave]

I know reload speeds across guns did

Since project resolve nerfs I haven't found any buffs to SMG9

[meager fog]

You be careful and don't take risks.

Dps is not the same thing as a face tank.

You're a glass cannon

[grand condor]

Exactly, I peak up to shoot and due directly. But sure Yes. Do not have the positionning game down at all. Thanks for the info! I start look for standing cover and short "inward to the map from 1 side a to say)

[meager fog]

If you're struggling to get shots off in legendary, then there are ways to combat that.

Distractions: Decoy skill.

Interrupts: Foam, throwing grenades, using explosives setting off enemy weak points will all cause enemies in proximity to run away.

Prioritise your targets:

Closest to you dies first.

After that, Drone Ops need to be priority in legendary.

Next Rushers, shock grenades are a death sentence.

Grenadiers are next....again theyre a death sentenc3.

Chungas should he the last thing you kill, they're slow and inaccurate and very easy to avoid

[grand condor]

Got 2 blue cores now, will see how that feels. To be honest I tried with all blue cores just to see what armor does at it wasnt like you can survive x2 as much dmg away

[onyx sage]

yes, always find tall cover. there are only a few parts in legendary where you can't really do that as much (looking at zoo) but for the most part finding tall cover solves 90% of your problems

[meager fog]

Blue cores in legendary do nothing. Enemies can one tap 2 blue cores.

Unless your build is around regen or bonus armour its not worth using

[grand condor]

Btw, what would you guys do with the cyote mask? Its cheaper to roll bonus than to imrove right? Should I just "change" to weapon dmg again to max it?

[strong cave]

Optimize it honestly

[obtuse crystal]

yeah its decent enough youll probably make it worse to reconfigure it

[strong cave]

Crit chance will take 1 opt, same with the WD. CHD within 2 opts

[onyx sage]

save your exo components for expertise

[meager fog]

As a general rule with exotics, optimise anything within 5 optimisations of max.

Reroll it if not.

For normal gear pieces and sets, don't optimise unless 2 at most 3 from max

Most of the time, its easier to just farm another piece

[grand condor]

What in the world lol... I only get 0.1 wep dmg

[onyx sage]

13.6% is the nearest "tier" of optimization. optimization works in tiers. after you get to that tier the optimization works like normal again

you also notice the cost of getting that 0.1% is scaled down

[grand condor]

Great Thanks, yeah now 1 more for both dmg and crit chance will max our 💪

Now I need to learn how to quest farm all those icons 🤣

[onyx sage]

farm their blueprints from lv3+ control points and just craft them

[grand condor]

Yeah I watch a youtube video that says, just do and craft and I can't. So its just random drop from ANY control points of I play on Heroic?

[onyx sage]

yes, if you notice you get a blueprint after clearing the defense phase, it means you need to do more

hovering over any lv3+ control point, if you see blueprint as a reward it also means you need to do more

[grand condor]

But its random Yes?

[onyx sage]

yes, but you never get duplicates since each drop is permanent. so all in all you just need to grind that many once

[grand condor]

I also need to find the best mods, I guess I can just do a few runs countdown with mods and hope for the best?

[meager fog]

Maxed mods can take hundreds of hours to get.

Generally, anything over 90% is good

So for example, a 5%+ crit chance mod is a good mod,

11%+ CHD is good etc

[magic pilot]

Legendary build

[strong cave]

Please my dude, let your team do something 😂😭

[magic pilot]

One guy was full blue, 3 improvised, yaahl chest with headhunter, gila ad rush back pack