td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

Metro Ruins and Crash site is stupidly easy

[onyx sage]

another one for you in zoo. no determined

no i do headhunter

striker ez lol

[subtle bluff]

Oh right only said no deteermined

[onyx sage]

yep, it's strong in solo

[strong cave]

Cannot wait to see the breakdown these guys do

I'm watching two chefs cook up 🔥🔥

[subtle bluff]

HF is actually too easy to do

[onyx sage]

solo isn't that tanky, but in recent runs i went back to vigi

still no shield

yeah bud like CP is harder than legendary solo

[shy willow]

Good riddance tbh

[gentle lichen]

Woah uncalled for

[onyx sage]

look at the clips above and see if i played like a rat

[shy willow]

Wrap it up boys

[strong cave]

Dude has no idea who he just challenged

[gentle lichen]

Surely a surgeon of death would prefer a shot to the cerebral cortex rather than center mass no?

[strong cave]

Pvp is dead as hell bc it's the same 3 builds: regulus, Bighorn Regen, umbra. I'm a pvp main and even I had to step away. It's worse than glizzy water. And, with all of us on pc pvp, good luck going 10 minutes without a cheater showing up

[gentle lichen]

I mean come on it's a pve CP build topic why ego a pvp fight

[strong cave]

Because ego is everything to a pvp player like this one

[shy willow]

👋

[strong cave]

You expect them to be done in like 5 minutes? Good content isn't cooked in that time. Hell, even a medium rare burger doesn't cook in that time lol

I'd know. I'm certified for culinary.

[onyx sage]

have to compress the video a bit

[gentle lichen]

What build do you want it cleared with

[strong cave]

See? Patience is all it took @rigid pine . They're back

Do it. He didn't say not to

[shy willow]

Waste of time bro dipped

[strong cave]

Unbreakable is allowed too

[onyx sage]

metro ruins, this is my first clear, i can be even faster if i grind it

[obtuse crystal]

nah ill od heal i just got the build

[strong cave]

Eh just salt in the wound. Bro couldn't handle the heat of the kitchen so he left. Don't wanna be scrutinized for a build? Don't post it then 🤦‍♀️

[tidal coyote]

Super late reply but I use the mechanized infantry armor for the chest with all crit. and obliterate

[strong cave]

Especially one like that... I mean c'mon... Main orbit for crits and run Fenris? That's a huge joke. Armor and memento, crutch. Modifiers, crutch. The whole build would've been fine if he was running ceska

[shy willow]

This started with a build?😭

[strong cave]

What brand set tho. We don't use actual cheat names just brand set

[obtuse crystal]

what brand is that if you dont mind me asking

[strong cave]

I can @ show you

@shy willow

[shy willow]

Ew

[tidal coyote]

Ćeská Výroba s.r.o.

[obtuse crystal]

yeah thats the best brand

[shy willow]

It looks like a PvP build than pve

[strong cave]

26 CHC btw... AND THATS WHAT I THOUGHT!!!

[obtuse crystal]

to have on a striker build

[strong cave]

^^ what's funny is this guy with considerably less hours than the salty guy knows Ceska > Fenris.... Go figure

[tidal coyote]

I have no idea what time doing build wise tbh

[strong cave]

That's a major skill issue if a returning player knew that more than a guy with 4.6k hours

[tidal coyote]

Just picked random stuff

[onyx sage]

we're saying you at least know the brand unlike a particular person who left the chat

[strong cave]

Well, you made a much smarter choice, you should be proud

[tidal coyote]

It’s a full red build and my mask is just a random gropo one for the extra crit

[strong cave]

Grupo is a good substitute for coyotes 👌👌

[obtuse crystal]

4 piece strikers otherwise?

[tidal coyote]

Yea bag, holster, gloves and knees

[onyx sage]

my crash site vid in 1440p is too big lol

[strong cave]

Goddamn. Proved all of our points even further. A returning player knew more than the other guy 😂😂😂😂

[obtuse crystal]

probably be better off with coyotes give crit chance and or damage depending on range

[strong cave]

^^ this

[onyx sage]

ceska and grupo are a solid combo

[strong cave]

Run Grupo mask until you get coyotes

[tidal coyote]

I like to do support healer/skill builds more and currently those two are lacking

[onyx sage]

crash site

[strong cave]

I appreciate your service as a healer 🫡

[gentle lichen]

refactor

[onyx sage]

i had to cut the beginning but it's just running, or it won't fit the 500mb limit

[tidal coyote]

Refractor?

[obtuse crystal]

This is what you want as a healer tbh

[gentle lichen]

new gearset
basically skill damage you deal with drone and turrent heals you and team

[tidal coyote]

Oh

[obtuse crystal]

yeah thats a choice but fi is a tradionatal healer that also buffs your teams damage

[strong cave]

Chest piece when at full armor for you and the team increases WD by 25%. Huge boost

[obtuse crystal]

and in raids/incursion its the only viable choice

[strong cave]

That radar location is perfect 👌 I'm a pvp main so I have my group below my HUD and my radar near the top of my screen. Mostly for my shorts formatting on my YT channel as well

[tidal coyote]

Would I stand a chance in DZ with either of those? I’m kinda trash at pvp but need/want some named stuff from there

[onyx sage]

every single video i post has it too. it just makes too much sense not to use for me

[subtle bluff]

Did he leave? I finished my striker one

[strong cave]

Don't take it to pvp. If you need pvp healers, lmk

[obtuse crystal]

no not really youll want some blue cores in dz and fifty death is the pvp guy here ask him

[strong cave]

Future is still good but Ninjabike or Birdie's is a must

[obtuse crystal]

for healers this is true

[strong cave]

I mean, Crypt is the real hardcore pvper here but I can give a few templates

[gentle lichen]

nah use 4 fi birdie and alps chest with empathic resolve
2 blues you get 2 tiers from tech and kard

[tidal coyote]

With what cores?

[strong cave]

I run mine with Ninjabike, 3 FI, Murakami chest, Picaro's. Allows me more blue cores

[gentle lichen]

4 yellow 2 blue

[strong cave]

4 yellows 2 blues

I also take LLP and flatline bc I'm running tech and I'll use iron lung for status effects. Occasionally I'll use overlord too

[onyx sage]

he's probably gonna shift goalposts a bit if he does come back but just @ him anyway

[tidal coyote]

Okay, I’ll try to set it up I’ve got a lot of exotics to build whatever I need

[onyx sage]

if you don't have birdie i can help you in 2 hours

[tidal coyote]

I don’t think I have anything birdie

[obtuse crystal]

birdies quick fix is a master reward for a manhunt mission

[strong cave]

If you need pvp help, #td2-pvp-discussions is always open as well

[onyx sage]

yeah i just left home, supposed to leave earlier but someone wants a few clips 💀

[strong cave]

That they won't even watch

[gentle lichen]

don't worry we did pookie :3

[onyx sage]

i'm willing to bet bro doesn't even have balls to use vigi with no shield

[obtuse crystal]

i prefer using it with a shield but i couldnt care less if i have one or not

[strong cave]

I'll admit, skill issue on my part. I run unstoppable force for PvE. On pvp tho I run Vigi

[tidal coyote]

What weapons again should I use with this?

[gentle lichen]

up to you i prefer elmo charge at landmark and help team with shock ammo

also run sledgehammer on pistol or have lefty for debuffing enemy team

[obtuse crystal]

i dont know much about pvp because it isnt my place tbh but anything thatll do a status effect to your target is probably a good choice tbh

[tidal coyote]

I’ve got a full rifle dmg and a max dmg to armor on my Elmo, and I use lefty already good pairing

[obtuse crystal]

you preferably want dttoc on elmos and any weapon that isnt a lmg

[onyx sage]

you want dttooc anyways

[gentle lichen]

you can run overlord but youll mostly spend your time with kard for the tier

[strong cave]

He's back in #td2-general-chat btw

[tidal coyote]

dttooc?

[subtle bluff]

Metro Done.

[strong cave]

Damage to target out of cover

[obtuse crystal]

damage to targets out of cover

[gentle lichen]

ehh can count as witchhunting dont be too concerned

[onyx sage]

yeah no i'm sure if he wants to respond he can come here

[tidal coyote]

So I’ll tinker dttoc onto my Elmo

[onyx sage]

you gotta reconfigure it by recrafting

can't tinker exotics

[tidal coyote]

Oh right duh, sorry returning player but I was stumbling through the game when I was playing

[strong cave]

Witch-hunting is intentionally going after someone. Considering all I'm doing is letting somebody know someone is back, especially since they asked for clips, and they're talking to me, I'm just passing along notification. All I said was "hey, your clips are in build advice". And left it at that

[onyx sage]

no worries

[subtle bluff]

Crash site done

[strong cave]

Still going 😂😂😂

[onyx sage]

inb4 he wants an average player to do it instead of a speedrunner

oh wait...

[subtle bluff]

not using it's more LoS I did not take cover

[onyx sage]

i mean go ahead it's good content 💀

[gentle lichen]

shii ill do it on ps too
even the inferior controls can do it i bet

[strong cave]

I use controller on PC and those control points are a cakewalk

[obtuse crystal]

just play the same raid over and over smh

[onyx sage]

my channel was started literally because someone said you can't do legendary with full red 💀

[obtuse crystal]

best way to start a channel

[strong cave]

I started mine for reporting cheaters to ISAC Network. Now I get called a cheater left and right and make content on those that do so because they don't know what an actual cheater looks like or what some IQ and skill looks like

[onyx sage]

i get a fair share of hackusations too for literally flicking

[strong cave]

I get hackused for literally having aim assist on controller and using Umbra 🤦‍♀️

Everyone can use it.. and AA is NOT that strong 🤦‍♀️

[tidal coyote]

I think I’ll do the ninja bike substitute for birdie looking at its perk seems very a niche thing

[strong cave]

I'll get you a template one sec

[gentle lichen]

ngl it really is
but it can also mess you up

[onyx sage]

any 6 red

[strong cave]

Don't sleep on birdies tho. You wanna look at that damage resistance bc that's hella strong

[strong cave]

Drones in close proximity when I aim in like to force my aim to snap to them instead of the player. Same with decoys

[tidal coyote]

Isn’t that manhunt Kelso or something? I don’t think I’ve ever even done a manhunt b4

[strong cave]

Lost countless fights to it

[onyx sage]

2 hours and i can get you through. you might also like the tinkerer mask from this season but you'll need to do scouts 8 and 12 to unlock the mission for it

[tidal coyote]

😅 I’ll look a video on the scout thing to see if I can’t get them done

[gentle lichen]

yes and it also happens with player heads so pistol/shotguns are insane

[tidal coyote]

I’ll get it done

[strong cave]

(https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtMAMbdwEwybZqWQFwFYuuBRUdVRY2DeAFgjnzkXnDLTQ2qhea+TYDYxKcaKU6j0GUDSQjusirwCcSYMFzAF4dewW4uE-u0h0w8fnNli2GC+RswgA) [Future Initiative PVP Healer w/ Ninjabike]

[tidal coyote]

I saved it and will put it together

[hexed steppe]

its fine posting builds. this is a build advice channel, after all. just dont get bent out of shape if someone challenges what you post. especially if its way out of the norm or needs a ton of upkeep/input to make it work. im pretty sure everyone here has been on both sides of that discussion.

[strong cave]

Can't tell if it works bc I'm running an old discord client via Mobile rn

I figured smhhhhh

Fixed?

[onyx sage]

other way around. caption in [] and link in (). caption first

[example](https://google.com)

[strong cave]

Should be fixed now 👌

[hexed steppe]

and no space i think between

[magic pilot]

I revived @onyx sage with birdies

That's how you know it's useful

[strong cave]

Why does that not at all surprise me

[onyx sage]

i wanted to uninstall the game

[obtuse crystal]

i only use on moro to revive manually hotswapping because those mortars are annoying

[cerulean smelt]

feeling horribly dirty because of that?

[magic pilot]

I made sure I swapped to it before picking him up

[strong cave]

Damn so you really had to use hydrogen peroxide in the wound for him...

[cerulean smelt]

not rubbing alcohol?

[onyx sage]

the worst part is i said "at least you're not gonna revive me with birdie's" when he was picking me up normally

[magic pilot]

Sand paper

[cerulean smelt]

you shoudl've recorded it (> <)

[onyx sage]

he then stopped, hot swapped to birdie's, then revived me

[strong cave]

Wait so he literally stopped... Put on birdies... Yo 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[onyx sage]

it was streamed

[magic pilot]

Yea I just got it too

[strong cave]

That's next level wild 😂😂😂😂

[magic pilot]

Within the hour

[cerulean smelt]

poor average

[gentle lichen]

would hotswapping to birdie be actually faster than normally reviving

[strong cave]

Leave that to @onyx sage to figure out

[onyx sage]

yeah if your hotswap game is goated

[strong cave]

Except when it's you being revived by it

[onyx sage]

are you free? i can get on

[tidal coyote]

yeah I was just doing the scout 8 thing

[onyx sage]

i can help you. what's your ign?

[tidal coyote]

HMxVirus

[pastel crane]

Is there a use for Birdie's Quick Fix Pack? Or is it a total dogshit like all Exotics?

[onyx sage]

it has some use

[subtle bluff]

A use

[pastel crane]

Some is better than none, I guess

[wise rock]

Newbie. Building an LMG set. Bluescreen weapon. Ongoing directive or Striker? (or other?). Recent reddit posts point towards those two sets

[subtle bluff]

Both gearset works. imo Bluescreen is only good with targets that have more HP otherwise other weapons will do better job of doing DPS.
Reddit isn't the best place for infomation.

If you go the Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub

[magic pilot]

It makes you insanely tanky when reviving

So if you aren't using an exotic/ can easily hotswap to it can be used even on legendary

[hexed steppe]

i use bluescreen and carnage on OD. its really nice there

the talent is basically unlimited ammo so 2x lmg arent an issue

[onyx sage]

oh yeah @edgy solar i'll help you with birdie some other time, remind me when

oh no i'm sorry wrong ping. @tidal coyote

[obtuse crystal]

Also a great choice now is tinkerer with a sadist lmg and one with pressure point

[wispy hollow]

Or Sadist with Frenzy

[tidal coyote]

Will do thank you for helping me get Tinkerer

[obtuse crystal]

That’s also a good choice I just personally don’t enjoy how frenzy works and might lose a lot

[winged rapids]

Just got Turmoil, would that be good? Thinking about using this to solo farm mostly heroic content

[obtuse crystal]

nah honestly just swap the chest to ceska with obliterate and dont use the turmoil if wanna use for expertise tho use a grupo chest with obliterate and a strikers mask instead of tinkerer

[winged rapids]

that's what i was using before with great success but i wanna try out turmoil
losing obliterate does hurt

[obtuse crystal]

strikers chest for heroic isnt a good choice hard to get that many stacks

[obtuse crystal]

yeah lose tinkerer then tbh

[winged rapids]

and just no exotic armor then?

[obtuse crystal]

yep

[wispy hollow]

Replace Striker Chest with Ceska Obliterate and go Coyote mask. CHD everywhere including gear mods

[winged rapids]

Then striker doesn't work lmao

also losing tinkerer means i can use elmo, big mag is nice to counter the lower ST damage 🤔

[wispy hollow]

I meant replace replace chest with Ceska Obliterate, Coyote mask and Striker kneepads.

Basically 4 piece Striker (BP, Glovees, Kneepads, Holster), Ceska Chest Obliterate, Coyote Mask. CHD everywhere including gear mods and run it with Elmo's

[winged rapids]

Yes that's like the most common build 😭
that defeats the point of doing a turmoil build doesn't it

[onyx sage]

the only real turmoil build is hh

[winged rapids]

Yeah i figured that would be the optimal thing
Might try that out
Striker is working tho

[wispy hollow]

If you wanna run Striker with Turmoil I run this (pretty good and gets the job done)

[winged rapids]

I need to get me a good grupo chest

[subtle bluff]

imo turmoil can be trap for new players. It does the same dmg you would do normally but 2 target and one you should be shoot the one that wants to shoot you.

[winged rapids]

Yeah for sure, you need a lot of damage to not get destroyed by rusher and such, but it's also quite fun to shoot an elite and see reds melt around it

[wispy hollow]

Been running it lately with Pesti/Lengmo build. Its pretty fun.

[subtle bluff]

Yup I throw my into my Pesti build but I only run that build on solo heroic and below really.

[winged rapids]

Need red lengmo right

[subtle bluff]

If doing group heroic with it then I use Fox's

[winged rapids]

Do you build pesti stacks on two targets at once with turmoil?

[wispy hollow]

Not really, but the since I keep shooting different targets, everyone is damaged with the pesti ticks plus everyone is getting damaged by Turmoil.

[winged rapids]

How hard is it to get good lengmo pieces like that?

[subtle bluff]

not easy

[wispy hollow]

BP and holster are a bit tricky but not as hard as the chest. The chest is a nuisance to get.

[onyx sage]

no, just remember this rule about turmoil: it does not deal weapon damage, and frankly it's not actually "splitting" 1 bullet into 2. so most things that only have synergy with you actually hitting the enemy will not even consider turmoil

[subtle bluff]

We're doing turmoil for different reasons

Again niche reason.

[wispy hollow]

I got best luck running CD targetted loot as Lengmo. Got the BP drop in their (higher chance of named drop), plus got a lot of crap Lengmo pieces I dsimantled and then used the materials to craft the chest and holster.

If you dont get the Lengmo chest you can run the Lengmo mask instead of Coyote and run The Sacrifice chest instead of Lengmo.

[subtle bluff]

This is what I suggest for player that want to try it out.

[winged rapids]

Might start farming that when i do countdown 👌

[subtle bluff]

I'll do don't do because do but you want something new or want to farm something. I do not suggest to for players that don't already have 2 or 3 builds alerady

[vital apex]

Best Lexington build for conflict that does crazy damage and has survivability let’s see if true PvP players no there stuff👀

[subtle bluff]

there isn't a "Best" build for conflict since there are so many different and the standard meta is kind of to beat straight up unless you use good range and other things.

[vital apex]

I don’t mean best build like number one I mean like in your own opinion fam💪🏽

[subtle bluff]

also note if you're really wanting good stuff you'll get responses from #td2-pvp-discussions

IMO lex isn't that great of weapon for PvP

[spiral iron]

Another Turmoil question, does it proc with the Sweet Dreams talent? When you use it you do see a dmg number, would be funny to split 100mil dmg every 15 seconds

[urban latch]

You should try making a nego build (not using turmoil)

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil is doing the dmg not the weapon

[grim plank]

hi guys i havent played division for like 2/3 years, i have al lot of items/gear and i want to know what the best build is for pve, i saw a new named AR or a backfire build. or is the orobouros build still good?

[subtle bluff]

Not much as changed meta wise. YOu can find most in the pinned messages

[grim plank]

where? its been a while haha

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc

[strong cave]

Honestly, I can half agree with that. Depends entirely on the build but in most cases, you'll be taking Bighorn or Capacitor on most optimal pvp builds anyways

Cough, Regen Bighorn, Umbra capacitor, Cough

[gentle lichen]

imagine assault outside of those two
pfft

[strong cave]

It's only on high end Vigi like builds where Lexington shines. And sometimes with Umbra it does too. But anything is good with umbra

[strong cave]

Regulus hand peek has something to say-

[gentle lichen]

yh i meant imagine using assault rifles outside of those two
i am very well atoned with the art of shield peeking

[strong cave]

Negl I've been using the Famas in pvp lately more than anything. Umbra tinker with ceska vigi bag, 2 blues, paired with Streamlined and Optimist. It shreds armor near instantly. Hackusation after hackusation I get using that build. Hearing people cry about how OP it is against armor builds is my biggest satisfaction

[gentle lichen]

this is what it's all about

[eager viper]

What are good LMG to use for OD Tinker setup. Using m60 for now cause its best I got

[gentle lichen]

negev ie the unnamed carnage is your best bet

[subtle bluff]

M249/mk46

[grim plank]

guys whats the best AR? ive found A lexington

[magic pilot]

There ya go

[meager fog]

Lexington is the best single AR, because laser accurate and innate 3% damage boost.

However, it's not too far ahead of the base Police M4.

Also worth considering that Tinkerer builds are damn strong, which cant be used with named stuff.

Also congrats on your good fortune.

[grim plank]

But I have eagle barrier, st Elmo, oro and Lexington is better? I have 2 with different talents on

[magic pilot]

Tinkerer still generally weaker unless you are running OD

I think that most people are short sighted on this new tinker mask. most weapon talents add only like 6-10% more DPS at best and coyotes adds around 8% typically so it's not like this thing is really that much better.

[gentle lichen]

anything to shake up and change what they used for months/years

-# even if its bad

[grim plank]

how do i get the turmoise knee?

[meager fog]

From the summer caches

[grim plank]

ok, somehow i got the lexington but i havent played 2 years

[meager fog]

You're better at the maths than me. Its nice for thinks to be changed and have options 🙂

[grim plank]

do i need tinkerer if i use lexington?

[meager fog]

Tinkerer cant be used with Lex

And no you don't need the tinkerer for anything, it's just another option for builds these days

[grim plank]

im kinda new atm, i have 2 lexingtons with different talents. which talent do i need to use, or which build is good

[magic pilot]

Best ps player

[meager fog]

Lexington should be god rolled, so you can change the talents at will.

Killer is a popular one, as is strained, Sadist if someone with you is running OD. There are alot of options

[naive horizon]

I did and now I’m sad 😭 I guess I turned it on at one point and forgot to turn it off. What is the % you need to reach to be immune to Riot?

74.9% Ensnare resistant rn.

[grim plank]

what is OD? is there any good build i can use with that weapon

[shy willow]

OD is ongoing directive, a gear set

[strong cave]

Clean clip 🔥🔥🔥

But let's be real that expertise 30 is carrying your armor bar 😭🤣😭

[strong cave]

I believe 89-92%

[naive horizon]

I looked it up it’s 93%

If I get all 3 10% resist mods will that put me at 93% if I’m 79.4% rn?

[strong cave]

79.4 + 30 = 109.4 you only need 2

[naive horizon]

Okay, thank you!

[grim plank]

is tinkerer good?

[patent fossil]

yeah it's a top choice in a few builds like Ongoing Directive, and a reasonable alternative in other builds

[vivid axle]

whats the tinker update for OD? sadist+strained?

[patent fossil]

sadist and pressure point generally, although some like frenzy

[vivid axle]

lol forgot about pressure point. that seems p cool

but they cant use carnage right? so whats the bis lmg? still mg5?

[slow gust]

I was wondering that aswell, I’m running tink w frenzy+killer and I’m tryna figure out what the best lmg to use is, plus what CHC CHD I should be aiming for

[vivid axle]

50%+ chc whatever else CHD you can manage im sure

[slow gust]

Ty

[vivid axle]

i plan to try out WH/HSD on whatever the best spread LMG is too though

laser OD sounds interesting

[magic pilot]

M249, or mk46

@slow gust

[slow gust]

Ty

[vivid axle]

is that real

like based on the spreadsheet because that seems nuts

[magic pilot]

?

Why is that nuts

[slow gust]

Are you talking abt ikias spreadsheet

[vivid axle]

im talking about the balance patch sheet that comes out. I havent paid too much attention to it in like a year or two but if ikia made it yes i would assume its correct

[vivid axle]

last time i evaluated bis lmgs that was not close. this was awhile ago though tbf

[slow gust]

Ikia just made one for tink + striker

[vivid axle]

stickers 🤮

[slow gust]

Mk 46/ 249 comes out on top if you’re going for dps because frenzy doesnt refresh so you want to have like a second or two more shooting plus reload time to chain it

[vivid axle]

if stickers set has no haters i am dead. if anyone wants to use it go nuts i just do not like the gameplay

[slow gust]

I don’t run the chest because you can’t sustain stacks past 100

So I run a ceska chest w obliterate

[vivid axle]

i also think last time i checked a bis for lmg was when infantry mg5 was by far bis and this was many moons ago

[vivid axle]

the only time you use sticker chest is raids yes

[magic pilot]

Those are wrong btw

Their patch notes are known to be super inaccurate

[vivid axle]

ya i dont mean *bisoft

[magic pilot]

So not the balance patch notes

You are talking about ikias chart

[vivid axle]

the patch sheet that is circulated ig is what i meant yes

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE

This one?

[vivid axle]

god damn i love ikia

yah that one i didnt know thats him. i loved a based autistic northern europ

[magic pilot]

M249 is recommended because the mg5 is a small mag

Might as well use an AR

[slow gust]

What about the large pouch if you have it? I’m running 249 for the fourth mod slot

[magic pilot]

Running the large pouch to compensate would mean the m249 is going to do more dps, as it also has a mag attachment I believe

[vivid axle]

i only mentioned mg5 because i know for a fact many moons ago it was bis by an insane margine and i stopped playing on xbone because i got a groll (before you could fix rolls) stolen in dz

which was the last time i looked at lmgs that werent pest or carnage

[magic pilot]

Not account for attachements m249 is less than 6% off the top mg5 for burst dps

[vivid axle]

tink mask unironically made me come back to the game there seems to be tons of crazy nonsense you can kinda try to get away with

[slow gust]

Oh yeah 100%, I’m seeing some absolutely nutty builds 🤣

I’m running frenzy, killer and obliterate currently and it slaps

[vivid axle]

im looking to test the most out of pocket shit possible

tink makes a lot of really bad ideas a lot more viable

[slow gust]

Try an lmg with frenzy+measured, the gun sounds like an A-10 warthog, although you only get a 5% damage buff for the top half of the mag

It’s okay, but frenzy and killer hits

I’ve been experimenting

[vivid axle]

im talking Y/R hunter killer with companion bag and having in sync+future perfect

really wacky shit

[slow gust]

That slaps too, also from playing in pubs, Lexington and carbine 7 are best AR’s to use with tink

(From what I’ve observed)

[magic pilot]

What is proccing HK?

[mellow flint]

i like military p416

[slow gust]

Military and custom p416 are still good, back in the day they were best in slot if I’m not mistaken

[vivid axle]

i could have sworn there is a deployable that makes bonus armor

i very well might be wrong and the idea is dead in the water

[strong cave]

only skill known for that is smart cover or taking tech and aiming a skill or deploying a skill

[magic pilot]

sharpshooter can give you bonus armor

[slow gust]

Activating the minigun gives bonus armor too

[strong cave]

that too. or firewall with cover to cover

[magic pilot]

Firewall can't be used for HK tho

Armor goes away right after cover to cover move

[vivid axle]

firewall c2c wthe the hoster or gloves or whatever that also wants c2c?

its gonna be really stupid and bad but interesting enough to build imo

i only stopped playing this game because i ran out of meme builds to farm for and tink mask really lets you do a lot of nonsense

[slow gust]

Tink mask I would say is better than coyote

Just due to the flexibility it gives now

[mellow flint]

in some cases i still p coyote

[slow gust]

Definitely farm for it if you don’t have it

[vivid axle]

i have been a coyote hater since it came out

[slow gust]

The manhunt mission on master is a guaranteed drop though

[slow gust]

Bro hates coyote and Stryker

[strong cave]

for group play, coyote if nobody else is running it. solo, can get away with tink. its situtional

[vivid axle]

dogshit mask is not fun at all. and im only doing it on heroic cause it gives me an excuse to farm

[magic pilot]

Tinkerer mostly changes up how groups play tbh

1 coyotes is all you usually need so that leaves 2 players running either BK or tinkerer. With 1 cc/healer role

[strong cave]

yup that sounds accurate for what I had in mind as well

[tropic solar]

saw someone running a blue striker the other day and didnt find anything on the hub for it, so i thought id try my hand at a setup. how does this look? kind of centered around adrenaline rush/intimidate for bonus armor

[quiet arrow]

guys is this a normal hb build

[bright raptor]

not quite, Technician is preferred for the auto pulse laser

Also get an ACS-12/Lefty for stacking unless you have a Tinkerer

[quiet arrow]

alr ty

[tropic solar]

@onyx sage sheet says intimidate accrues stacks at 3/s but in-game is 1/s

[onyx sage]

it is 3/s still, each stack accumulates at 1/0.33s

so it doesn't stack in 1s intervals but every 0.33s intervals

you notice that you only take 3s instead of 9s to stack it fully

[tropic solar]

weird, the flavor text specifically says "gain 1 stack each second up to a max of 9"

[onyx sage]

yeah no we take liberties to correct what the game says

in this case it's easily correctable so we do that

[tropic solar]

wonder how long thats been in the game, incredibly simple fix

[tropic solar]

Is perfect the same accrual rate? Just 5% per stack?

[onyx sage]

it is still same rate, same 4% per stack, but max is 10 stacks

[tropic solar]

Ew, kinda weak perfect

[urban latch]

the striker backpack is very valuable, and imo the combo of ad rush/intimidate is really not worth it. That 10m range for it, has a charge time and resets the moment you lose bonus armor. Its really not worth running imo. If you really want to run it, then run it on a HF build, but striker has much better options.

If you want a blue striker build, just run your typical striker build with whatever amount of blue cores you want. Or swap in memento.

[tropic solar]

Thank you

[urban latch]

this is awhile back, but the ad rush/intimidate combo with HF was basically what strikers is now, the build every casual player thought was the only thing worth running. I personally still didnt like the combo back then, but it got nerfed with that build up mechanic

[tropic solar]

I see, thanks

[tropic solar]

Did some more thinking, the idea behind the setup was to maintain decent damage potential with survivability. My red striker basically gets one tapped by anything with ~750k armor. I thought adrenaline rush would just offer some good protection and make backfire work. HF would essentially just be less damage potential, no?

[urban latch]

are you running a crusader shield?

[tropic solar]

Oh yeah I suppose that'll be buffed up with blue cores

[urban latch]

HF is still really good, at this point its pretty underrated

depending on what your playing, strikers nego, and HF are all roughly on par with each other

[tropic solar]

I dunno, I did build a standard HF out and I wasn't impressed. It's just hard to compete with striker DMG potential. The HF talents don't seem very good in practice

[magic pilot]

The first actual build I ever made in div 2

[tropic solar]

I mean it just seems like every red build I try is just a weaker version of strikers

How do I get over that lol

[errant hornet]

Is ridgeway worth the grind to get it? Or should I just try to find someone who has it in the general pool to drop it for me?

[magic pilot]

I would just have someone drop it for you

[errant hornet]

Figured that would be easier, just run a few countdowns

[onyx sage]

capitalize on striker's weakness, striker is weak on anything that dies before you can stack, that's why people use HHF or anything that has insane burst damage without needing to land many hits

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/FXqpXWY_YT8?si=85yxFdLhbIl4G99B

This video is what really pushed me into Div 2, the way hunters fury used to be with old intimidate was nuts

[grizzled garnet]

For strikers which is

A) quicker for building stacks
B) better overall

Main ar and shotty (acs12)
Main ar and smg

[magic pilot]

all around the AR/ acs setup

And it will be quicker at building stacks, nothing beats acs-12 especially lefty

[onyx sage]

it was can tian336 for me

[grizzled garnet]

My push for division 2 was a sale and coming back it was boredom of other games

[onyx sage]

better overall depends on how well you can play at close range

in legendary i don't use striker chest so i don't need to run acs

even when i did i still didn't use acs

[grizzled garnet]

Isnt the whole draw of striker chest that you run it on legendary for more damage

[onyx sage]

one exception is for HOUND or Sparkle, i run striker chest and acs because i can emp these 2 back to back to make them not a threat

[onyx sage]

well yes, but it requires stacking, so there's a tradeoff. i run pgc now

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 fair.

Instant bonus at the cost of being as weak as a damp paper towel.

[onyx sage]

i just like being sneezed at and instantly get cramps

[tropic solar]

HHF? i have a hotshot setup, thats the only other gearset i use with red core lol

[onyx sage]

headhunter's fury

[tropic solar]

hunters fury with headhunter?

[onyx sage]

yes

[tropic solar]

uhhhh that sounds like opposites

[onyx sage]

not really

[grizzled garnet]

Pistol setup

[tropic solar]

i mean HF is close-range no?

[onyx sage]

yes, and there's nothing stopping you from playing HF at close range

hint: there's nothing saying you have to run sniper only with HH

[tropic solar]

i know, but if you wanted to take full advantage of it, you probably would right

[onyx sage]

no

[tropic solar]

its for one shot setups

[onyx sage]

because m870 and regulus exist

[subtle bluff]

Wild statement.

[tropic solar]

id like to hear your thoughts

[onyx sage]

demo

[grizzled garnet]

🤔

[onyx sage]

HHF and striker are the core speedrun meta for legendary

and if it works in legendary...

[strong cave]

please touch grass... after a birdie's revive

[onyx sage]

the average player does not touch grass

[strong cave]

😂

[onyx sage]

but anyways most MMRs do not have that much damage, m870 is stronger than most of them, especially when it comes to helmets

[grizzled garnet]

Doesn hh also affect each pellet individually 🤔

[onyx sage]

yes

[subtle bluff]

Clip kind of showed it.

[tropic solar]

that comment was in relation to regular HF, not HHF

[subtle bluff]

It’s HF…

[grizzled garnet]

So you get 20% amp from hf amd however much from hh. 🤔

[subtle bluff]

HHF and HF are the HF..

[onyx sage]

you get 5% amp per kill too

[grizzled garnet]

How so?

[onyx sage]

but yeah these are the kinds of let's say "off-meta" discoveries people have discovered, until they realized it is meta

[tropic solar]

im just talking about a regular build. HF 2pc/3pc buffs smg/shotgun and armor/hp on kill, thats what i mean by regular build

[grizzled garnet]

Nvm i didnt finish reading

[onyx sage]

HHF is like someone discovering gold trying to find an off-meta build that turns out to be a speedrunner's wet dream

[grizzled garnet]

How is a 3pc gearset considered a regular build? Its like everything on a burger except the burger itself

[tropic solar]

right so you wouldnt build HHF with an smg. when i built my HF, i wanted to use an smg

[subtle bluff]

Use an SMG it’s great

[tropic solar]

no im saying the core buffs are for those weapons

[subtle bluff]

It is a different play style

[onyx sage]

the 2p bonuses are relatively minor. it's important to realize that the 4p is the strongest bonus here

15% is just like a red core, or 15 expertise, not that big

[tropic solar]

ugh i guess im just not representing myself well, forget about it. HF talents just didnt seem very useful with an smg because it applies debuffs that arent necessary if you can just kill them super quickly with strikers

[grizzled garnet]

Doesnt necessarily mean theyre bad

[tropic solar]

i didnt say they were, i just said i wasnt impressed. could be i was using it wrong. i didnt say they were bad

[onyx sage]

i get your point, smg HF is not fast killing enough over striker to be worth using over it

[magic pilot]

The disorient is also super helpful with close range gearsets

[tropic solar]

yeah i thought so, but then i also thought, "why bother with debuffs if i just have mega dmg with strikers and kill them anyway?"

[magic pilot]

Even if you can one mag with an smg (usually you can't) then at least everyone near the guy you just killed is disoriented while you reload and reengage

[tropic solar]

again, assuming im just using an smg

[onyx sage]

i'm sure others feel differently but nowadays if i use HF, it's only with headhunter because it's the only 1 of the 2 fast-killing archetypes (besides hotshot) i use over striker

[grizzled garnet]

Free disorient on any nearby kill to other nearyby enemies is pretty handy imo

[magic pilot]

Strikers needs to ramp though

[tropic solar]

its pretty short range

[magic pilot]

The intial debuff from HF is pretty strong

[tropic solar]

but it decays slowly. if im using an smg, im ramped up almost all the time

[magic pilot]

Striker lacks the survivability and utility that HF has it's not all about the dmg

[tropic solar]

right, which is why i wanted to try a blue striker setup with the stuff above. raucey gave some criticism and that sparked this discussion

[onyx sage]

i think i'm the only one who understands seth's pov lol

[magic pilot]

Blue striker = weaker HF

[tropic solar]

im just not doing a good job at explaining myself lol, i understand where everyone is coming from and i appreciate the advice

[magic pilot]

I get what he's saying, but there is drawbacks to using striker in close range

[onyx sage]

there is a point where you are good enough that the disorient from HF would've procced too slow and you'd rather them die faster to begin with

even though i'm an average player, i realize players including me will inevitably reach that point

that's when HF (the crit variant) is just not worth using

[coral reef]

If your average gameplay session dont look like this... why play the game at all?

[solar sable]

my god

[tropic solar]

your clip is more representative of the AboveAveragePlayer

[subtle bluff]

rip

[onyx sage]

that clip is from my dog

[tropic solar]

AboveAverageDog

[solar sable]

this hit the weak spot

[magic pilot]

His uncle recorded that clip

[strong cave]

might need to change your name to "slightly above average player"

[magic pilot]

Uncle roter

[onyx sage]

he'll never come back for me

[tropic solar]

sooooo bottom line, if you wanted a tankier striker, you would run HF?

[onyx sage]

you could, i honestly recommend giving it a try

[strong cave]

even hunter's fury with a few blues and memento goes pretty good with a basic crit setup

[onyx sage]

blues or reds is up to you

[subtle bluff]

Here's kind of demo of HF but using an AR..

[strong cave]

its very overlooked as a gearset. even i slept on it at one ponit

[solar sable]

but sir I'm allergic to blue

[onyx sage]

if you're just running open world or heroic then it's more than comfy

[tropic solar]

i feel like id want passive heal or bonus armor or something though, pausing to pop armor kits is unfun

[strong cave]

shouldve asked the guy that was here last night. woulda swore he was married to it with his 27 chc and 171 chd and 2m armor

[hazy steeple]

@tropic solar You can just double-tap them, for a smaller heal.

[subtle bluff]

HF has Aok and Hok.

But really it sounds like you want to be on Heartbreaker instead.

[tropic solar]

maybe so

[tropic solar]

was not aware of that

[solar sable]

I was busy touching grass

[hazy steeple]

You should buy a chair.

much better than the ground for lumbar support.

[onyx sage]

i think there's a few deals on really good gaming chairs

really necessary for dz

[grizzled garnet]

Dont buy gaming chairs. Get an office/operator chair

[hazy steeple]

For the love of all that is Amherst: do not buy a gaming chair.

[strong cave]

it was super funny. you missed all the fun. bro called Chow the N word without calling him the N word. even bypassed the automod

[hazy steeple]

think of a gaming chair vs office chair as a NBB striker vs an actually well built one.

[grizzled garnet]

Gaming chairs are modelled after racing car bucket seats. Theyre meant to stop you sliding side to side which you wont have happen at your desk

[solar sable]

called him the WHAT

[tropic solar]

speak for yourself

i use a hawaii chair so i can be in constant motion while i game

[hazy steeple]

if you can slide off your chair at your desk, you need to shower more.

[onyx sage]

jokes aside yeah i've been using this office chair for years now

maybe i'll get the dmc vergil chair some day

[grizzled garnet]

The ideal chair is a refurbished herman miller

[strong cave]

LOLOL chow had no idea until I pointed it out

[grizzled garnet]

Or a liquidation sale HM

[strong cave]

negl id like to figure out a way to make a mini-van seat into a gaming chair. that would be cool as hell

[magic pilot]

Buy bucket seats for a race car

[magic pilot]

Yea but what about the rgb

[grizzled garnet]

Me when i say things to cause arguments

[subtle bluff]

I mean I used my bucket seat on a mount for a computer chair for a while it's nice to be hugged but sometimes it's was too much hugging.

[subtle bluff]

I have 2...

[strong cave]

german engineering at its finest

chow you tryna be the next squeeze benz? or license?

[subtle bluff]

flew by my head. lol didn't like to proven wrong... he gave me a challenge...

[subtle bluff]

EH? I should put up my car and not my students hard for my pic..

[strong cave]

LOL. squeeze benze/license are 2 of the most wanted drivers here in the states. Squeeze is in jail and License is still reigning supreme here. they both do cutting up videos in traffic (dont ever do that). they also do cop chases

[subtle bluff]

Oh those jackasses.

Ya I never do stuff the endangers the public.

[strong cave]

only when it comes to yourself teaching newbies incursion

[subtle bluff]

I don't hurt them... Either way I'll drag them... Like last night new guys is like ya my build does as much as strikers..

[strong cave]

whenever they say "my build does as much as strikers" i stop listening 💀

[subtle bluff]

6 kills in total and like 128m dmg in total... 😐

I'm glad I wasn't teaching that run..

I just carried his ass

[strong cave]

i wouldve given up and left him to fate on the matchmaking gods

[subtle bluff]

You should see the mess I'll get into when I go into RMM. I should of stream and record the stuff I've gone into.

avg and gang watched the crazy carry I've done it was nuttie. Idk how I did it still..

[strong cave]

start doing recordings of it. that would be huge on YT. rogue did one of a random matchmaking for a raid and it was honestly pretty entertaining to watch

[coral reef]

Question for the masters that make the builds on The Spreadsheet: is there a way to know when a new build is uploaded? have you guys created or updated builds recently including Tinkerer or Catalyst (lol) mask?

[strong cave]

reason catalyst isnt in the spreadsheet is because its pure garbage

as for tinkerer, it might see its way in soon

[subtle bluff]

Idk about pure garbage but it is garbage.

[subtle bluff]

Ya I've been meaning to do something for OD builds.

[solar sable]

pure garbage = bikeninja

[strong cave]

i mean, even that has better utility than catalyst. id rather somebody run ninjabike because at least i know they're not limited to distance and status effected targets 😂

[onyx sage]

tinkerer is the OD buff catalyst wished it was

[solar sable]

or shocker punch
or sawyer's
or bikeninja knees

[onyx sage]

it's so funny

[hazy steeple]

I don't think misspelling Ruth Bader Ginsburg's name is going to help much.

[strong cave]

now this i can get behind 💯

[strong cave]

so true 😭

[hasty sluice]

always was.

[hasty sluice]

Catalyst isnt that bad if you have other in your squad giving you the coyote buff. Other than that.....

[pastel basin]

Anyone have a good tip of the spear build?

[solar sable]

it's trash

[subtle bluff]

Why tip?

[random pendant]

Whats the best Talent for an AR?

[subtle bluff]

There isn't a overall best

[pastel basin]

Just for funsies

[pastel basin]

Streamline 100% unless you’re using skills, then it’s optimist, or if you have a high cc then use killer,

1. Streamline
2. Killer
3. Optimist

[subtle bluff]

^^ Optimist?

[random pendant]

thx

[subtle bluff]

😐
Measured, Strained are both better than Optimist

[pastel basin]

Yeah, but it mainly depends on the mag size, strained is better

[subtle bluff]

Ranger is better imo

[pastel basin]

I was just about to say that 😭

[subtle bluff]

Flat amount and something that doesn't care about it's mag size

[pastel basin]

Oo yeah

I never tried that before, but my aim is honestly dookie at long ranges like that

[pastel basin]

Okay so I’ve done some testing

1. Streamline
2. Killer (with high cc ofc) sort of inconsistent
3. Measured

[subtle bluff]

10-15m still is AMP dmg.

[grim plank]

is striker backfire the best build for pve?

[subtle bluff]

No overall best. Depends on what you want.

[urban latch]

Backfire is really trash for headhunting

[grim plank]

Im tanky and i do a lot of dmg, one of the best builds ive used so far

[subtle bluff]

"tanky" a lot of dmg... This is said daily.
What's tanky do what content and to what scaling?
What's a lot of dmg what are you comparing it to?

Without sounding too rude. Almost anything is viable in solo heroic and below.

If there was this magical tank dps build everyone would be spamming it and clearing everything well.
Sorry rant over.

[lost wren]

i guess techtank is what they might be looking for

[subtle bluff]

Well the question was if "Striker BF the best build for PvE" Yes and no is the answer but that normally doesn't help either.

[obtuse crystal]

if you want strikers and survivability while solo slap on a memento tbh

[subtle bluff]

stap... not the subject..

[astral elm]

Lmao bruh i dont want this i already got 2
now i got 3
i just wanted termoil Ripp

[solar prairie]

Does 100% disrupt resistance work on countdown hunters?

[solar sable]

why would you sacrifice your crits for disrupt res...

[subtle bluff]

It helps to "tank" them..

meh... Foam them before they do anything is better.

[solar sable]

agreed

[solar prairie]

Because I run 2 loadouts, one which is a perma foamer

[subtle bluff]

Well you can't CC something with the Status Effects more than 3 times.

[solar prairie]

I just tested it and it doesnt seem to do anything, when the hunter gets to cast EMP, you are locked out

[subtle bluff]

CC/Status Effects have diminishing returns in this game.

[solar prairie]

Yeah there is a short delay between the next foam, so I just either blind or burn them in between

[subtle bluff]

If anything you should be doing buff or debuff instead of just CC to ensure more DPS is done

Foam, Scorpio and The Setup is all you need really

[solar prairie]

I appreciate your concern, but I just wanted to know if disrupt resistance worked.

[subtle bluff]

It's mix of pulse and Disrupt since it's EMP Pulse their doing.

[solar prairie]

and yes, I do use scrop and the setup for my CC build.

[subtle bluff]

@hexed steppe has the build for it. I don't remember it.

[solar prairie]

I dont need a specific build for it but was just wondering if we can be immune to its emp. This is the first time I hear that a certain something has 2 properies like pulse + disrupt, usually this game categorizes those in just 1 status.

[subtle bluff]

There is I just don't know it exactly Localdeck does.

[solar prairie]

His profile has his builds links I'll check it out, thank you for tagging local

" Countdown hunters require 97% disrupt resist to be disrupt immune" But I still get distrupted with the EMP.

[subtle bluff]

hmm...

IDK about much about the CD hunters. Sorry, someone else will come along an answer you question.

[solar prairie]

Dont worry about it

[solar prairie]

His Mortar Supremacy build is interesting, I might update mine to his build

[subtle bluff]

he loves that thing. Don't get old heart started 😛

There are also more build and info in the Pinned Messages

[shy willow]

[honest moss]

If you mean at the start of a CD run, before you active the buffs you have debuffs. One is enemy hazpro and another is enemy status effects. Both will mess up your CC builds. Once you activate the buff version it is enemy reduced hazpro (you can foam purple dogs) or your status effects are increased.

Out of the iirc 13 random debuff/buffs ofcourse. So not always

[fallen comet]

What LMG do you guys recommend for an OD tinkerer build? Been running with an MK46 but curious to know if there's a better option

[subtle bluff]

Dunno better... L85 and RPK technically have more burst.

[hexed steppe]

the only time cd hunters will be able to disrupt that build is when the status countermeasure reduces your hazpro. personally i push to 100% , but another agent figured out the 97% disrupt thing because they were still grinding their watch and thats when they went full immune. you can hit 100% with 6 hazpro rolls/watch/eclipse bonus. you shouldnt need to utilize mods unless lacking watch

[hexed steppe]

Mortar Supremacy is a really strong setup but requires a good amount of management/spawn knowledge to really make it shine. btsu to minimize downtime, team support, or just boosting your own damage while rapid refreshing hive.
with cap fully stacked and talents procced, i usually around 10mil mortars on non oc, and around 13mil during oc. team buffs also improve damage if not running solo.

[hexed steppe]

-# propaganda mode deactivated

[bronze hound]

Hi local

[hexed steppe]

good morning

[magic pilot]

Getting the old man worked up this early smh

[thorny solstice]

Mk46 is great choice.

[fallen comet]

is damage to armor a good attribute on it? or something else like fire rate?

[versed summit]

Crit chance

[fallen comet]

its already at 51, is the rest needed?

[versed summit]

Drop crit chance elsewhere for more CHD

[magic pilot]

I think my striker build with lmg is 50.5/155

(I have coyotes)

[solar prairie]

I have been playing with mortars since Year1 and I am just using all highend armor, the BTSU and hive is a nice change, though I'll be using a kinetic momentum chest, I really cant do perfect GC.

The Sacrifice I have is skill haste/status effects. Was never able to get skill haste/damage.

[subtle bluff]

GC is so much more dmg tho!

[hexed steppe]

No doubt. Itll work fine without glass tbh. Always a trade ofc because kinetic wont boost weapon or spec damage. Been running glass forever so it's just business as usual when I'm rolling with it.
The hive I'll use to mitigate flanking npcs. It helps keep heat off of ya. Its also nice if you're in a tight spot, you can throw the hive out with a partial charge and buy some breathing room .

Oc hive is funny too

[grizzled garnet]

Opinions on

4 pc heartbreaker blue core with chest
Ceska pack with vigilance
Catharsis
Lexington and acs12 with technician laser

And full pfe mods

Or

Same but with backfire or elmos and sharpshooter drone 🤔

[vapid bobcat]

hi guys whats a good striker build using the tinkerer mask?

[grizzled garnet]

Pretty much same as you would use with coyotes.

4 pc strikers with backpack, ceska chest with obliterate and tinkerers/coyotes
Or
4pc strikers with backpack and chest, ceska gloves, kneed or holster and tinkerers/coyotes

The latter is more leaning towards high difficulty content like legendary, raids and incursions

[vapid bobcat]

ty sir! and weapons to use?

[grizzled garnet]

Lexington, st elmos, ouroboros, police m4

For secondary either a shotgun (acs12 specifically) or an smg

[vapid bobcat]

ty! i maybe able to get the tinkerer later tonight so tysm!

[grizzled garnet]

Just remember to avoid damage over time effects on the boss

[meager horizon]

What would be the best dps wise, MG5 or Mk46 for a OD TInkerer?

[livid mesa]

Yummy status effects

[pastel pivot]

Is 4 piece striker pack with Memento Backpack still viable in the meta? I currently use the Chameleon SMG.

[grizzled garnet]

Its more leaning toward solo but yes

Also use backfire over chameleon imo

[livid mesa]

Yes

[livid mesa]

If so use hunter's fury

[grizzled garnet]

Chameleon does alot of different stuff but none of it especially well

[grizzled garnet]

I run backfire with a strikers build

[pastel pivot]

Chameleon is just what I have right now - will try to see if I can get Backfire Thank you

[livid mesa]

Hunter's fury seems more viable tbh

[grizzled garnet]

4 pc strikers, memento and a ceska chest

Despite what some may try and tell you, you dont need haz pro. At 100 backfire stacks you no longer bleed on reload. since the bleed stacks is calculated based on stacks gained not shots fired you cant gain and at 100 and thus cant bleed

[pastel pivot]

Do you run Hunters Fury with Weapon Dmg majority or Armor? I’m more of a solo player ( keeping in mind ).

[magic pilot]

Im personally super against not using llp as I feel like the stacking for HB already feels bad

[magic pilot]

I'd go mk46

[grizzled garnet]

Llp?

[magic pilot]

Linked laser pointer

[grizzled garnet]

Ah. I was just spitballing for using exotics with the build

[magic pilot]

Imo not worth

[grizzled garnet]

Okok. Ill stick to lex

[dusk dust]

For one shot head shot and otherwise what build do you all recommend

[coral reef]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNLiB-SZH-LChI9gE18q-PdYGqHac4Gep9UQVUtg0as/edit?tab=t.0

[surreal condor]

Hey y’all anyone got a really good dps build that I can make? Mines not working I feel way too squishy

[grizzled garnet]

Strikers is the goto. Your squishiness can be down to your playstyle

[surreal condor]

Gotcha

[pallid prairie]

anyone got a birdie's quick fix build for tanking legendary or master?

[hexed steppe]

im not 100, but i think birdie's is being hotswapped in as needed

[pallid prairie]

oh ok, thanks for info

[hexed steppe]

generally when it comes to legs or master, its either 4dps, or 3dps/1healer

[twin knoll]

finally got this exotic mask, this took far too long

[nocturne dune]

i really do wish the game would stop giving me these masks

[glad heart]

Yeah, but if the game did that, it would have to give you something you could possibly use, and it won't do that...

What I do see here though is exotic components from the garbage.

[wicked igloo]

Does someone have sniper build but with picture like right one? So its easy to see where i change my attributes and talents etc

[subtle bluff]

MMR builds are just all HSD and then Weapon Handling.

The left build isn't "sniper" build.

[gentle lichen]

this more of a rifle/pistol than snip tho

[wicked igloo]

Yes its the 1886 build from spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

Yes there is a whole guide that should explain it.

[subtle bluff]

Imo. Must 2 DPS (Strikers) , 1 Support and last one can be flex but must do dmg.

[wicked igloo]

So this is correctly? Or did i have to out handling?

[subtle bluff]

You're fine with that.

Weapon handling isn't a must to play the build.

[worn elbow]

Hey mrchow you seen the buff for the tipping scale gear set

[subtle bluff]

For the PTS stuff?

[worn elbow]

The chest piece crit damage increased from 4to7 and ye

[subtle bluff]

Yeah?

What about it?

[worn elbow]

Just wanted to let ya know that’s it

[subtle bluff]

I read the notes already. Unfortunately Strikers still meta deal.

You can have some fun with frenzy and stuff.

[worn elbow]

Ye but it’s a nice change because I got bored of strikers ngl

[subtle bluff]

That's a normal response.

[hexed steppe]

Everytime I ran master it was all dps. Most of the time in legs it's all dps as well. All matchmaking tho , organized teams probably run setups with better synergy.

[onyx sage]

i'll run turret drone next time

[hexed steppe]

Me too

[subtle bluff]

I meant for the minimal amount. 4 DPS is fun.

[subtle bluff]

I have a new one...

[hexed steppe]

Oh gotcha

[sweet kiln]

Hello agents! o7
I'm sort of a returning Div2 player, I used to play explosive mortar + cluster bomb build. After some research and for what I would like to do with a friend of mine, I am leaning towards Refactor set.
Capacitor + some kind smg. Refactor - mask, holster, kneepads, gloves. HanaU - Chest, Backpack. Am contemplating waveform/memento aswell. For chest - I was thinking to utilise "skilled" tallet or empress international "perfectly skilled" chest to proc cluster bombs. Anyone doing anything of similar sort, or that's just a waste of talent space?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub

I'm kind of lost what you're asking for.

[grim plank]

got my tinkerer mask, any advice for the build? its for pve

[subtle bluff]

OD

[grim plank]

LMG talents?

[subtle bluff]

Sadist & Pressure Point

[wicked igloo]

The spreadsheet really needs some updates

This for example, How do i know what attributes i should put. It doesnt mention them except for the mods

[onyx sage]

hsd + regen or hazpro

[meager fog]

Talents are Andrenaline rush and Efficient

[subtle bluff]

Hold up. The guide?

I see it explaining what attributes per gear....

I swear if I got a quarter every time I've said more context or read the guide....

[solid cipher]

is there a better sniper for hotshot than white death?

edit: idk why the images didn't embed, photos below
any feedback is nice, is there such a thing as too much hsd? should i roll more weapon handling if i can?

[solar sable]

it's more of preference
SR-1, M700 Carbon...

[solid cipher]

i like the more hsd but i wonder if theres a point where it's overkill and im not doing anymore damage with headhunter

[magic pilot]

uhhh it literally says

[wicked igloo]

Mods yes, not the attributes

[magic pilot]

wtf are you on about...

"hsd/hazpro, headshot mod"

[solar sable]

do they not teach how to read in school?

[magic pilot]

gonna have to dumb down the guide again....

[wicked igloo]

And how the f i know what hazpro is?

[magic pilot]

hazard protection?

the only roll for gear in the entire game that remotely resembles hazpro

[wicked igloo]

Thats what i needed to know Mr know it all. Not everyone here is a longtime player

[magic pilot]

you basically just asked everyone here to read it for you

[wicked igloo]

And?

Whats your point?😂

Its called Build "ADVICE"

[magic pilot]

you dont need 6k hours to read and have some critical thinking skills

[scenic briar]

build guides are generally written for people who have some familiarity with the game—reaching level 40 at the very least—and can deduce what things like CHC and CHD mean based on what they've experienced so far

[magic pilot]

this section is worth reading if you are going with the bighorn build

and the one above it

[wicked igloo]

Thanks. Now cook me an egg.

[magic pilot]

read me the recipe and i will

[wicked igloo]

With bacon please

[patent fossil]

You two need to get a room

[magic pilot]

if you can read one full page of a harry potter book, ill give 750k to whatever charitable organization you want, F the bucket of ice

~ 50 cent

[wicked igloo]

Who reads harry potter🤨

[solar sable]

can I get this image a lil darker please it hurts my eyes

[magic pilot]

its double dark mode my bad

i know who doesnt read at all.

its gotta be hard using text to speech all the time

i dont have glasses 😭

keep trying though

[subtle bluff]

Maybe you don't need a guide....

[meager sparrow]

New to playing at level forty plus now need to know how make good build now I gotta a lot of stuff just don’t how to use it properly I been trying help if yu would plz

[subtle bluff]

Go learn the builds yourself. Your the only one to qq about this.

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Gdoc >Build hub

[patent fossil]

@wicked igloo @magic pilot that's enough, both of you. This is not the place

[subtle bluff]

🙃

[magic pilot]

He's DMing me now LMAO

[meager sparrow]

This groups says build advice where else should I ask without feeling I be trolled for asking

[magic pilot]

So mad he got muted

[magic pilot]

You can ask here, there's just some tomfoolery

[subtle bluff]

There a guide for fresh 40 in there too you should read

[meager sparrow]

Where can find this

[scenic briar]

on mobile, tap the channel name at top then go to the Pins tab

[subtle bluff]

Here for the fresh 40 guide. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/234461-tom-clancys-the-division-2/faqs/82038

[magic pilot]

Now he's gonna dox me

Sick

[elfin mist]

real streamlined tinkerer gamer here

[coral reef]

Why is everyone running armor cores nowadays? this is a cover shooter people, TTK is king

[coral reef]

just realized it might be a PvP build my bad

[onyx sage]

i die in 2 shoots if i run red

[solar prairie]

I die the moment an empty shell casing hits the ground, just from the subtle vibration.

[onyx sage]

i die after i get sneezed at

[magic pilot]

i really hope not

[coral reef]

Block him at the first message, dont reply, the only winning move is not to playy

[magic pilot]

Yea that's the plan going forward lol

[bronze lance]

This is my build with Lexington for overall content (not for high difficult-content)
But something feels a bit off
Does someone have some other suggestions/ideas?

I would take everything so I can try some different builds out (which needs to be DPS Lexington)

[glad heart]

Well, yeah. Striker chest is a problem, because keeping and maintaining 200 stacks is quite difficult save in legendary and master level difficulty. I would say replace the striker chest with a ceska w/obliterate and run striker knees. It won't feel as off as the current build feels. but then that depends on how you mean "off"

[dreamy spruce]

Prob the combination of the chest and the turmoil knees halving his primary targets damage

[glad heart]

Yeah, ok. I don't go for the new gimmicky stuff myself. That would feel way off for me.

[subtle bluff]

Your DPS/Dmg ramp is gonna VERY slow due not having anything boost your damage from the start and nerfing **Half ** of your bullet damage.

[magic pilot]

Alt account lol

3rd times the charm

[urban latch]

@pearl atlas

[magic pilot]

Bye bye!

[pearl atlas]

5th time actually

[subtle bluff]

wurd

[magic pilot]

Oh wow

[hoary valve]

i got the iron lung what build would be good for conflict

[magic pilot]

I ran this when I was playing in a 4 stack

Can also run the high end version that's in the pvp guide here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X87BwJv-I_58WAQh_bSDXRKNLBHTOi9Wtt4Bs6Pv7bY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[zealous dew]

thoughts on this? 59/133 ratio without global modifiers

any suggestions for skills for the decoy slot i was out of ideas

[hexed steppe]

pve or pvp?

[magic pilot]

I replied in another discord 🙂

[zealous dew]

dark zone but it looks like it could work in LZ? the damage is okay enough for group play

switching for picaro and WH gloves though

[hexed steppe]

in pve you could be rocking a tier 6 shield.

dont know about pvp, but thats probably being handled on the other post 😉

[magic pilot]

Dz version too, mainly used to be a little more tanky and spam fire nades

[zealous dew]

what’s the skill mod on the mask?

[magic pilot]

It's all crit mods

[zealous dew]

oh wait sorry it’s just white

[magic pilot]

Yea it's the loadout screen, not at my pc atm

[zealous dew]

nw

[magic pilot]

You can still hit tier 6 with pistol out, which is all you need to fire sledgehammer and one shot with sticky

[halcyon bear]

what is the best pve build ?

[broken edge]

there are a couple of very strong ones, rest is up to personal prefference of more specific contents

[onyx sage]

there is no "best"

[hasty sluice]

chat do we think this is alright?

messing around with tinker for HB

[plain spire]

i want a good build for high level content

[subtle bluff]

Strikers?

[still lava]

Literally just blue strikers and chameleon.

[vale merlin]

I’m looking for a cool techtank build I’m currently rocking a foundry bulwark build but am thinking of going with either ND or Heartbreaker. Which one do you guys thing is most useful

[solar sable]

not going tank
why "techtank"?

[vale merlin]

lol I’m just looking for something fun and has strong survivabiliy and isn’t striker related

[solar sable]

just wanna know what you're looking for

[vale merlin]

I’m relatively new I started playing earlier this season and I like being able to have tons of survivability so I don’t get melted on higher difficulties

[solar sable]

Nego goes for DPS and HB is a "mix" of blue and red if you wanna see it like that. I would rather run Hunter's Fury with Memento if we're talking about survivability and being aggressive at the same time

Something like this is soooo good and fun

you can use whatever weapon(s) you like

[vale merlin]

I’ve been rocking memento in all my builds that’s interesting I always thought the HF builds were challenging to manage maybe I’ll give it a shot

[solar sable]

If you want more tank, swap some reds to 4/2 maybe

I always evade answering questions about tank builds because I'm allergic to blue cores

[vale merlin]

lol I love blue builds but I guess I need to be okay with reds. I run PFE on all my builds when I’d probably be better with more CHD/CHC

What talent do you rock on the chestpiece there?

[obtuse crystal]

That’s obliterate on the chest

[hexed steppe]

i would look into umbra as well. it has a regen mechanic tied to its talent and promotes using cover.

i used memento for a long time and it can really make a lot of builds shine. its gonna be the hinge point in most builds survivability plan. dont forget that it has a big impact on skills so stuff like shield, artificer, fixer drone, (insert any other skill here) can all utilize the skill efficiency in different ways to augment your survivability.

the biggest survivability option isnt going to have anything to do with the build, but everything to do with positioning and situational awareness. having a skill or 2 to buy yourself time can make a big difference. decoy can redirect attention, emp sticky/banshee or jammer pulse can stagger npcs.

[solar prairie]

Can you share a build for this?

[hexed steppe]

any solid dps is gonna have you taking aggro. "survivability through superior firepower, dead npcs dont shoot back" is the goto line for this topic

[hexed steppe]

i dont think i have a build saved for it, but when i built it a while back i went all crit rolls/brands with memento. chance to 50%/rest of attributes chd. start with chc on the weapons first

[hexed steppe]

basically like this, if you replace all the heartbreaker pieces with umbra. you may be able to use grupo instead of ceska tho depending on where your crit stats settle in

weapon also should be a crit based talent instead of flatline. tinkerer might fit well instead of memento and just vigilance the bag in that case

[vale merlin]

Interesting I was thinking of using this setup for the heartbreaker build I was eyeing initially. But I guess I need to really learn positioning and npc logic to maximize my builds. That’s always gonna be the hardest part

[pastel basin]

I never understood that, didn’t everyone get turmoil for free a few months ago? It randomly popped up in my stash godrolled?

[hazy steeple]

@pastel basin It was part of a seasonal event or some such, I think Easter?

[magic pilot]

April fools

[hazy steeple]

That tracks.

[pastel basin]

Ohhh, so you had to be on during that event? I thought everyone just got it randomly tbh thanks

Question, for this build

1. Would the white death or the model 700 be dealing more damage.
2. For the bookbag, would the gift, a Habsburg or airaldi bookbag be better?

[gentle lichen]

1- Model 700
2- WD scales better with chainkiller

[pastel basin]

Let me restate my question then, with max stacks of chain killer, which of the two guns and backpacks would deal the most amount of damage?

Cause I’ve been noticing it’s been failing to one shot bosses when I’m playing with my friends with the gift and the WD so I’m just curious

[gentle lichen]

It'll pretty much be the same answer
Scaling is going to make 1 shotting harder

[shy willow]

Depending on the boss you may very well not one shot

In that case maybe keep a nemesis as a backup for more damage

Oh wait you already have one

Build looks good and your guns also have high expertise so you're chilling

[gentle lichen]

I'd say m870
Pretty sure i 1 shot a rogue agent at 2-3 player scaling? Not sure but very possible

[shy willow]

Shotguns make for great backups too just beware the spread

Gotta have every pellet that hits hit the head

[pastel basin]

Yeah but I’d still like to know which one of the two snipers would hit stronger and which of the bookbags I listed deals more damage overall

[shy willow]

Model 700, airaldi

[pastel basin]

Also that ss is from the pinned comments, I have the same expertise and but I’d just like to know

[shy willow]

If you care about ultimate min maxing then technically habs does more

[pastel basin]

Yess that’s what I want

[shy willow]

But it's an incredibly annoying farm so

[pastel basin]

I love min maxing 😭

No I have it already, although it has cc instead of handling how I wanted

Got really lucky cause all it took was 5 countdowns

[shy willow]

As long as it's HSD it'll be fine just feel a bit more sluggish

[pastel basin]

Wdym?

[shy willow]

Less handling means slower reload and stuff

[pastel basin]

It has vigilanace, cc, hsd

Ohhhhh right that’s what you meant

Hmmm 🤔

[shy willow]

It's negligible though tbh

[subtle bluff]

White Death more 1st DMG
M700 does more 3rd DMG

by like 1 or 2%

[pastel basin]

Thank you answers guru, yk, you’re the best fr

Okay bet, I’ll just need the resources to expertise everything

Thank you all

[onyx sage]

as an average player, these guys are my best resources

[pastel basin]

Same, well not really average, I barely have that many hours but I have pretty much any build that is needed because of these guys and 28 expertise rn at just about 400 hours

And like a good 30 of those were me afk

[abstract badge]

How much armor should I have with a refractor build? Right now it’s at 650,000. I haven’t tested it yet but that feels low. Running refractor chest, gloves, mask, holster. Hana u knees and backpack. All skill tier cores to get to ST6, and all skill damage minors

[solar prairie]

If you are running tactician, you can do 5Y 1B, since tactician has +1 Y passive

[subtle bluff]

You shouldn't need any armor cores for refactor

[abstract badge]

Oh dang ok. So run technician and then switch one of the cores to armor? Thanks for responses

I guess maybe I just need to test it lol it just seemed low, but maybe your right maybe with the healing I won’t need any

[magic pilot]

I'd run 1 red core and no armor personally

[subtle bluff]

IMO how refactor should be ran.

You do not need to go all Crit

[pastel basin]

Wait… by this, did you mean the model 700 or tactical 700?

[subtle bluff]

the one that has higher dmg...

[pastel basin]

I don’t have a maxed out tactical 700 so I can’t compare them

Or is there a site to see?

Or are they all the same?

[subtle bluff]

no mag

[still lava]

Backfire with centurions. Thoughts?

Using it with umbra. Kinda shreds

[subtle bluff]

Would be dumb. You lose all your BF stacks.

Umbra over stacking CHD isn't has valueable has other buffs

[still lava]

Ah you're right. It's poo

Into the darkness? Regenerates the bleed damage though I guess idk. Not practical

[subtle bluff]

Bleeds stop once at full stacks

[still lava]

Full stacks from BF? No kidding?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah
It was 200 stacks before so reaching it was harder
Now it only take 2 mags

[still lava]

So the increased rof from umbra to get there is no good still?

[gentle lichen]

It's more about diminishing returns coming from stacking so much chd instead of other desirable amplifiers like hunter's fury/striker's

[still lava]

I know the blue striker is much better but I'm just curious

[gentle lichen]

Sure rof can help stack the bf faster but striker's is just half the rof but comes with a really good damage up

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't make it better

[unborn haven]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/922Z4G-fsHM?feature=share

Is this build difficult to achieve? possible to get similar result before hitting lv40?

[winged rapids]

It's a Chatterbox, hunter's fury gear set and obliterate chestpiece, not hard to get at all
Don't worry about builds before you're level 40, just try stuff out

[subtle bluff]

If you're not lvl 40 don't worry about builds yet

Also that clip you can't do that anymore as well due to an older seasonal modifier.

[grand condor]

Is is worth upgrading gear from half bar when it comes to bonus? I have contractors gloves but weapon dmg is only @ 60% bar (8.9 weapon dmg)

[daring scroll]

Yes, WpnDmg, CHC and CHD, always optimize if you're lvl 40 and working on the best gear you have available.

[hoary sail]

Well no if u r poor on mat. Better to look a better piece

[hazy steeple]

In case you can't understand that (it took me 3 goes), they're suggesting that you wait until you find a better piece, so it's cheaper to "max it out".

[daring scroll]

This^

[solar prairie]

Is the harvest a curated roll to always drop with headshot damage?

[subtle bluff]

No.

[bronze lance]

Thanks man
I usually prefer to either go with Memento or Turnmoil especially since it feels a bit bad to not use it after hours of grinding haha

[gray radish]

my bluescreen build for pve anything i should change?

[strong cave]

Yes, ditch the gloves and take a ceska chest piece with obliterate. Swap the gloves to striker gloves. Additionally, I'd argue ditching the backpack, because you're all red and not getting much bonus armor from it. Coyote would do you better because Bluescreen has 0 crit mods on it and you'll be super crit starved

Ditch memento, take striker backpack. Ditch the striker mask and take coyote

Striker chest does double your stacks for more damage but striker does enough damage to not really warrant the use of the chest piece outside of Legendary/Raids

[gray radish]

Noted thanks man

[amber gyro]

Hey guys uhh for Backfire build is it worth it go for 100% hazard or nah?

[urban latch]

after 3 reloads or max backfire stacks you'll stop bleeding, so theres really no reason for haz pro on it

if bleeding is happening enough to be an issue, thats just the game telling you to run something else for the situation

[amber gyro]

i seee aight then

[solar prairie]

Is Custom M870 MCS still the best shotgun type now or has this shifted to another sg?

[fervent patio]

Dose anyone know a build for pestilence or BK (BulletKing) that isn't using Striker or Eclipse Protocol?

Just something that can at the very least get me through challenging, heroic or in a small group of two?

[solar prairie]

I still use negotiators + pestilence since that set/gun game out. can speed run any stronghold solo for priority objectives on heroic

[fervent patio]

Okay, I'll try that! What stats do you use?

And do you use the chest/backpack or no?

[solar prairie]

I use the backpack, I prioritize crit to 60%, chest you can use grupo or ceska

[magic pilot]

By far my favorite pesti build

[fervent patio]

Thanks. ^^

[fervent patio]

How dose this one work? I see you have no gearsets, which isn't a problem obvi.

[magic pilot]

Relys on the DTA/dtooc from Fox contractors along with lengmo brandset for really high pestilence ticks

Has pretty good dps from glass and Perfecr unstoppable force, which also buff the ticks

I usually get around 1.5-1.6 million dmg per tick at max stacks

[fervent patio]

And you can do heroic and group activities with this?

[magic pilot]

I've done legendary with it

[fervent patio]

Oh damn.

[fervent patio]

Solo?!

[magic pilot]

Nah I use striker or hunter's fury for solo

Can't be that aggressive with pesti

[fervent patio]

That's still insane?! No? I've never been able to do a legendary yet, I did one master but that was someone carrying me and my Uncle.

[grim plank]

is smart cover good for pve?

[fervent patio]

Can you check lfg-pc, I don't want to anger mods again. It's fine if not.

I appreciate the information and advice.

[fervent patio]

I personally don't have it yet. But I needed it for one build that went well with me staying in cover, so I feel like it can help a lot if you play your cards right.

[fervent patio]

I don't know what changes has been done to it since I've came back but I still see people using it so it can't be bad, nor hurt to test it out for a bit.

But I do know it's better in pve then pvp. (My opinion.)

[fervent patio]

I have one more question, why do you use banshee's pulse and decoy? I love BP, but could never get Decoy to work well, especially with Pestilence.

Or the build that uses Iron Lung with Fury set.

[magic pilot]

Banshee pulse is like a get out of jail free card

And I always have decoy on, with expertise it's super strong. But even without it should be enough to draw aggro

[fervent patio]

Ahhhh, okay makes sense. I'll definitely give it a try today. I need a build that isn't a one-shot build, I find myself panicking a lot with it and end up missing my shots and rather use Pestilence and BK.

[grim plank]

so i just use tinkerer mask with LMG (sadist and pressure point) and OD, i just got the turmoile knee pads. should i use the knee pads and remove my ceska backpack with the unstoppable force talent or is it not worth it?

[solar prairie]

Is there like a meta build for ravenous tank 4 man legendary? All i see on YT is solo.

[strong cave]

ravenous is fairly trashy as a gun itself. the only build to make it viable is 3 Zwia, coyote, contractor's and Fox's kneepads. crit build. as for being a "tank", this game doesnt favor being tanky. everything requires damage to clear at an efficient level

youre better off running striker or hotshot

[opal glade]

Just had that as on open world drop Oo is this new?

Any cool builds that go along with that?

[spare harness]

whats a good/decent ninjabike assult rifle build?

[hexed steppe]

Removing ninja bike bag is an instant upgrade to any dps

[onyx sage]

"decent" and "ninjabike" most of the time do not go together

[hexed steppe]

Nego/striker/heartbreaker all strong ar setups

[versed summit]

which decent rotation does it go together in?

[onyx sage]

sir

[grim plank]

whats a better build for pve dps, turmoil lexington, or tinkerer OD lmg

[magic pilot]

Turmoil Lexington with what

[loud pine]

theyre both solid it just depends what youre doing and what everyone else is running

if you join a countdown and 5 people have OD on then you probably dont want to run it as well

[grim plank]

whats doing more dps? whats a good build with turmoil and lex

[loud pine]

i wouldnt use turmoil on anything aside from headhunter personally

if you want to use lex then i wouldnt know really i imagine just a normal high end or strikers with the chestpiece which has its own issues

[magic pilot]

It depends on what you put with the turmoil build lol

[loud pine]

obviously negotiators