td2-build-advice

[lost wren]

chainkiller is still used for chest piece

is secondary smg with unwavering dead?

[subtle bluff]

2nd is P. Headhunter stacks HH stacks faster.

[subtle bluff]

Idk I've used but then not the burst isn't as high with SMG9 has it was with Banshee.

I run measured

[lost wren]

i like measured

is lexi with measured good for pve?
or is killer still the best pick?

[subtle bluff]

Both are good. I already mention when killer is good or not.

I use to ranger with lex

[crystal token]

ok so it's still best in slot for DT builds

[subtle bluff]

DT?

[lost wren]

determined i think

[subtle bluff]

HH builds...

[lost wren]

measured lexi better or worse than st elmos

or are they used for different scenarios

[subtle bluff]

Lex is better burst

Elmo is king of Sustain and Mag Dmg.

[lost wren]

70 rounds does that

[subtle bluff]

and WH

[lost wren]

i'll try lexi measured for legendary

[crystal token]

ok so yeah sticking to Chainkiller and now will farm an Airaldi Bloodsucker unicorn

[lost wren]

airaldi bloodsucker shouldn't be too hard
unicorn would be the 2 piece habsburg setup

[crystal token]

oh right the headshot and MR dmg

[subtle bluff]

Minor unicorn vs Unicorn

[lost wren]

measured is solid for pve no?
is it better than killer in group play?

[subtle bluff]

I already mention this....

It's all about tanlent up time.
Killer if you're always getting kills it's great if not measured is always good

[lost wren]

understood

[lost wren]

how good is caretaker?
trying to farm it with the stretch goals but i'm curious if it's actually any good

[faint nebula]

tinkerer build with hunters fury. running strained on an mpx. 2nd talent?

[crystal token]

just rolled this bad boy i'm so hyped

[lost wren]

measured, killer, optimist

[solar sable]

habs?

[crystal token]

YEP

[lost wren]

oh wow nice

[solar sable]

hype

[lost wren]

very lucky

[crystal token]

now I should farm a headhunter habs right

[solar sable]

walker Harris for Chainkiller

[lost wren]

2 piece habs is better

but good luck farming chest piece lol

[crystal token]

already got this might spend all my resources for a habs chest now

[faint nebula]

if you had to pick. contractors or foxes prayers?

[hexed steppe]

foxs

everything can be out of cover, not everything has armor

[solar sable]

PHH says otherwise

[crystal token]

ngl that sounds like it could have been the yellow text for foxes LMAO

[hexed steppe]

no doubt 🍻

[subtle bluff]

Mid

[lost wren]

PHH doesn't increase damage

[hexed steppe]

hits cap faster

[lost wren]

just makes stacking easier

[lost wren]

ye

[hexed steppe]

personally 2habs vs chainkiller airaldi is pretty close anyways. the habs just take a lot longer to farm/craft/optimize

[lost wren]

it's only really for min max

[faint nebula]

thoughts?

[hexed steppe]

ofc. either 1 shots , but i definitely understand really wanting the unicorn setups

[lost wren]

why the random blue

[hexed steppe]

16, for each agent

[faint nebula]

i just saw that blue. fixing now

[hexed steppe]

64 total

[solar sable]

I'm still looking for that yellow Sacrifice, you sick bastard.

[lost wren]

real

[hexed steppe]

do them all in quads so each agent is decked out

[hexed steppe]

send some noobs to the great one and youll get it

[subtle bluff]

My main character has 4 striker loadouts. I'm could fill out of them.

Most of them would be incursion builds

[faint nebula]

does flatline just work out of the box with the technician linked laser pointer?

[subtle bluff]

Losing CHC makes it not worth it.

[faint nebula]

seems like i often need to get that 4th kill to start getting anything out of it

[subtle bluff]

Go fast

Last season did

[faint nebula]

ranger or vindictive (or something else) already running strained

nvm vindictive is more for a status build. bleah

[crystal token]

yep trying to build whatever I can then slot in turmoil for more fun

[shy willow]

🫵😂

[crystal token]

currently running hotshot but i wanna swap to a high end HH setup

[solar sable]

shut up 😠

[solar berry]

How you guys think of pressure point and sadist combo for OD?

[hexed steppe]

highend may be better as a 1886 hh build then.

[hexed steppe]

pretty standard atm

[solar berry]

Oof 😥

[crystal token]

true I gotta get a decently rolled 1886 fr

[solar berry]

Sadist and killer could be good 🤔

[slate wedge]

1888 is so satisfying fr

[solar sable]

what about 1885

[slate wedge]

you mean 1889?

[meager fog]

Strained > Killer.

Better up time

[solar sable]

nah I think it was 1883

[subtle bluff]

have you seen my oxi guide with the poorman's oxi build?

[hexed steppe]

as long as you have solid crit, sure. sadist/pressure point is always on with od

[slate wedge]

1890 is the best weapon for determined HH builds aside from MMRs

[subtle bluff]

Ehhh... Solo Killer is kind of just really good. Strained that'll depend on the weapon too.

[solar berry]

I’ll stick to pressure point. Overall base dmg vs bleed targets

[meager fog]

PP with Wicked BP is really nice

[hexed steppe]

cooked this up recently

[subtle bluff]

😐

[crystal token]

god now that looks incredible I might just be able to piece it up rn

[subtle bluff]

2pc BP helps does more than any amount of Zwai

[meager fog]

In the master mission

[subtle bluff]

Dorky did I post my new meme build run?

or have you seen it yet I can't remember if I shared it here or not

[meager fog]

Yes I think you did....was it Lincoln memorial?

[hexed steppe]

its fairly close when i tested 2 zwai/2bp. i do need to optimize the bp pieces tho for an accurate test

[subtle bluff]

Most of my stuff is Lincoln

[meager fog]

It was a clip in the boss room?

[subtle bluff]

local hasn't seen it yet

[meager fog]

You got hit by the guy who said "ha! Found you"...even though he was 2 feet away

[hexed steppe]

ridiculous handling is pretty sweet for qol

[subtle bluff]

Meme build for BH...

The good and the suck.

And I may have used BH too much to able aim it that well...

OOPS wrong one

[polar ingot]

Pics (of the build so I can copy-paste) or didn't happen in game 😅

[crystal token]

ok kinda whipped it up now to grind for the turmoil LOL

[meager fog]

I don't care what anyone says. SMGs are just hilarious fun

[faint nebula]

i love them. but some missions just require more range

[subtle bluff]

strikers, GC and Vigi, Tac Vector 9mm w/killer

OK this is the right one. BH meme build. It's good and the suck.

[meager fog]

Strikers with a couple pfe pieces works fine for Solo Master.

[meager fog]

"Ha FOUND YOU!" 🤣

[subtle bluff]

plz don't... I see enough as it is already in RMM...

[solar berry]

Isn’t streamline better than pressure point? 🤔

[meager fog]

Not if you're using skills

[solar berry]

I barely use skills

[meager fog]

Especially if using revive hive. Thats almost 3mins of down time

[subtle bluff]

By DPS sure but missing on skill that are very powerful eh.

[solar berry]

I use my banshee only for bleed rounds. Never use skills again

[subtle bluff]

You'll wonder how we've solo leggo for forever ago with less DPS.

[solar berry]

That’s why I was asking if streamline or pressure point is better as terms of dps

[subtle bluff]

You don't wanna know what I've seen...

[meager fog]

Laughs in Master/Lego

[solar berry]

Skills isn’t my thing entirely. I use it as a tool not to focus on like skill builds

[meager fog]

Streamlined is the better option for an organised group if you have someone else running support to pick you up. For pure DPS.

But outside of that, it has too much down time.

[solar berry]

I get that. I’m asking a simple question here 😪

So streamline is better? For dps?

[meager fog]

Im pretty sure I just said that...yes.

[solar berry]

Ok. Thanks

[subtle bluff]

I'll be good and just leave 2

[subtle bluff]

Let them get to the wall. They'll see it.

[meager fog]

Once they try soloing master/lego without skills that will be a fun watch

[subtle bluff]

I mean sometimes players have issues with being able one shot some heroics.

[solar berry]

You think imma do a solo legendary/master with OD 👀

[subtle bluff]

don't forget the DZ 50 somehow..

[solar berry]

Bro. That’s striker dawg

[subtle bluff]

you mean not strikers but has it on...

[solar berry]

I was asking a question for OD. Not master/legendary OD expertise knowledge

[karmic tide]

Trying to make a build with the flamethrower as the focus. Here’s 2 versions. Very open to thoughts.

[meager fog]

My thoughts are don't.

You'll be disappointed. The flame thrower is just all out poor.

[karmic tide]

Not helpful but thank you. It’s not about doing the best, it’s about having fun. I like burning things.

[subtle bluff]

EP Burn

[karmic tide]

What’s EP?

[crystal token]

Eclipse Protocol

[karmic tide]

Oh ok

[subtle bluff]

Just note at heroic it'll get lil rough for it.

[karmic tide]

I’ve got that in that first picture

[solar berry]

It’s a gearset for status effects

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[subtle bluff]

There's no EP in that build..

[karmic tide]

Oh lol I thought the chest holster was that. Ok

[solar berry]

Chest and BP of gearset is for 4pc. You have a 3pc on anyways

2+NinjaBP = 3

[karmic tide]

Right the 4 is tip of the spear

The others are just for burn dmg and burn duration

[solar berry]

yes but the chest talent on have no purpose cuz that gearset isn’t a 4pc

[karmic tide]

40% burn dmg from the chest and holster

You just don’t get the 4 pc bonus

You get the 3pc though

[solar berry]

Chest boost of said gearset if 4pc

[karmic tide]

I get that

Ah I see

That was hard to understand but I think I got you now

I should be using the chest pc for the 4pc gearset instead of having it on my 3pc, correct?

[subtle bluff]

Not using tip would the big one

[karmic tide]

The whole build is for the flamethrower though, nothing else @subtle bluff

[solar berry]

boost this

[karmic tide]

Yeah I follow

[subtle bluff]

Yup I know it is. I know how to burn things.

[karmic tide]

So wouldn’t tots be the best approach for signature weapon dmg?

[subtle bluff]

Nope

[solar berry]

No need for signature. Your focused on skills and status

[subtle bluff]

The WD isn't the key..

[karmic tide]

What if all I want to do is use my flamethrower though?

[subtle bluff]

EP...

[karmic tide]

Gotcha

[solar berry]

Survivalist for status builds

[subtle bluff]

No. That's support

[karmic tide]

Firewall for the burn stuff right?

[stark flicker]

is turmoil worth running over ceska ob chest (4pc striker with tinkerer)

[subtle bluff]

Burn baby burn.

[solar berry]

Killing status affected hostile grant spec ammo, and team do 10% more to status 🤔

And your applying a lot of status anyways

[subtle bluff]

No.
I'll put it this way for Turmoil. It's only used on all red builds and if you're worried about needing survival then you shouldn't even think about this gear piece.

[karmic tide]

Welp that’s all I needed lol

[subtle bluff]

It's for teammates not you

[subtle bluff]

Did I have to repeat myself a 3rd time I hear. jk

Waiit I did say EP 3 times

[karmic tide]

lol nope nope I believe you now

[subtle bluff]

Read the talent

Skills are just as good at doing it

[solar berry]

O I see. Duration increase and on arm break, shotgun if needed

[subtle bluff]

Just durations. The rest are nice

[karmic tide]

I’m having the hardest time getting the Kard

[subtle bluff]

Don't worry abou tit

[karmic tide]

Ok

[subtle bluff]

This is 2nd toon I don't use it much

Mostly support builds

[stark flicker]

I am running all red and I'm not worried abt survival but noted is turmoil mostly used on he builds

[subtle bluff]

The issues with it your sitll doing the same amount of output just half to 2 targets

[karmic tide]

Do I have to use scorpion? Could I stay with Lexington w/ ignited or whatever it’s called? @subtle bluff

[meager fog]

Turmoil keeps enemies alive for longer.

Not ideal with a red build

[gentle lichen]

Let's say hypothetically i had 100% hsd rate would the 93r be a good pistol option? (Compared to other high ends disregarding regulus ofc)

[stark flicker]

wait why are people calling it bis then?

[subtle bluff]

Weapons almost don't matter. The biggest thing is when using both skills with the weapon in hand they'll scale from DTA

[subtle bluff]

YouTubers/Content Creators are dumb.

[karmic tide]

Thank you for all the help homie🙆🏼 praise the sun

[subtle bluff]

You'd still put DTTooC on it.

[subtle bluff]

Check out the Pinned Messages you'll find all the info I gave there too

[gentle lichen]

I meant compared to other pistols not what minor attribute it would have

[meager fog]

Think of it this way: the idea of a squishy red build is to remove enemies from play faster.

If you're using turmoil you're killing two at a time, but it takes twice as long to remove them from the board. Meaning you're taking hits for twice as long.

[subtle bluff]

You wanna see someone trying to do that?

[subtle bluff]

What would a pistol do for you? First off

[gentle lichen]

Bulwark :)

[subtle bluff]

Ya no.

You do lil to nothing with no red cores anyways.

THere was a fix and something is back I think.

Same issues anyways the target your shooting is taking 1/2 damage.

[gentle lichen]

I meant using the car door in general i'd use it on 1 blue or something

[meager fog]

Even if it does.

You're still taking longer to remove an enemy. Because you're splitting your DPS.

[subtle bluff]

Easier just killing everything faster....

[gentle lichen]

The peeking the bulwark can do is the selling point

[subtle bluff]

I mean I have one with Tommy gun some where

God that was not the funnest runs. I had 3 chunga spawn for it..

[meager fog]

Im not sure you know who you're talking too 😂

Chow is one of the best build theory crafters in here 🥰

[subtle bluff]

4 blues 1 yellow 1 red

[sudden cloak]

Seeing their reaction to chow pushing up like that, I don't think they've ever seen that lol

Those modifiers were pretty good

I mean, 30% WD and 30% RoF alone sounds pretty good

That is of course if you're in control of every section on your map

[gentle lichen]

Because no aim community
I mean look at determined

[sudden cloak]

It did when the game came out, then from what I've heard people complained about losing striker stacks when they would miss shots so now here we with our current strikers

[sudden cloak]

Aiming on console is a fair bit more difficult than pc, but it shouldn't really be an issue for most people, especially since I play with aim assist off and I do just fine

[hazy steeple]

You really like that cry emoji.

[sudden cloak]

I personally wouldn't mind if we reverted back to div1 strikers, but that's just me

HB is the dollar store version of div1 strikers and it isn't even 1/4 as good

[karmic tide]

@subtle bluff

Better?

[subtle bluff]

No mods. I don't remember tbh

[subtle bluff]

Yeah I carried these guys pretty far here.

[subtle bluff]

Everything Status Effects?

[sudden cloak]

I mean seeing the guy using elmos instead of capacitor on a skill build was something else

[subtle bluff]

ya.... they were Heavy.....

that section I almost solo the whole thing.

[sudden cloak]

Carrying stuff that heavy isn't good for you chow

[hazy steeple]

Don't set up a joke like that cmon, it's too easy.

[subtle bluff]

Wanna see the worse one I've carried

[sudden cloak]

Im scared but yes

I enjoy seeing some of these atrocities

[subtle bluff]

Hint. We're on Leggo Tidal

[sudden cloak]

The hell is a "decoy" build

[subtle bluff]

IDK how they ever clear and leggo

[sudden cloak]

I mean the 2 guys barely above 1k shd probably didn't know what they were doing tbh, but the other dude 9k+ and you're still rocking builds like that

[subtle bluff]

Controlled aggression

I've been doing something like for a long time. I've put it away and it doesn't get use anymore.

HB BP 4 Blue Cores. I acutally don't want to HB BP.

[hazy steeple]

That's my nickname for #td2-pvp-discussions

sorry, carry on.

[sudden cloak]

Lmao

[subtle bluff]

But it's true for PvP and for the build. I'm trying to get close to get some agro and be able to land all my shots but be able to pull away for my shield to stay up.

[meager fog]

NBB....and you're SHD 9k....oh my word.

[sudden cloak]

Right? That's what im saying lol

[subtle bluff]

I've had some wild RMM...

My incursions ones are probably the funniest.

[sudden cloak]

The things I've seen people rock up with give me headaches

Perfect glass cannon and you're complaining about dying, I wonder why

[karmic tide]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Nice then the rest into Haste and your good then

[karmic tide]

I just used it for a few heroics. Oof. I wish the balance was there to make that a stronger option but it was fun.

[subtle bluff]

heroic is it's limit

[karmic tide]

I just can’t find that build where I’m like “oh yup this feels right”.

[subtle bluff]

Yup it happens

[karmic tide]

The search continues🙆🏼

[subtle bluff]

If you get over that hump and start learning how to DPS things just go away

EP burn is great everything before heroic and maybe some duo heroic.

EP CC support is really strong. IMO it's really good for this master till boss.

[karmic tide]

I’ve had builds that were just fine in leg & mast but they still don’t have that fulfillment for me.

[subtle bluff]

It's why I run my EP support differnt I use The Setup and BTSU to be able to heal, oc and buff.

[sudden cloak]

The higher difficulty enemies legendary and master kind of do have some haz pro just not a lot

[karmic tide]

@subtle bluff for dps but not the backfire(I just don’t like it) what’s the go to?

Ok I’ve got that

4pc striker &?

[sudden cloak]

It depends, its not just lex

[subtle bluff]

Iron Lung Strikers - my standard strikers.
Bluescreen Nego - Heroic 4m and up.
Decoy and EMP Sticky

[karmic tide]

Streamline/?

[sudden cloak]

No, never, measured or killer are generally the better talents depending on what you're doing

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil is only used in Keslo master 3rd section but then hot swap off of it for hunters.

Also using Striker chest and just carry the whole section with it

[karmic tide]

Ok cool

Is that the FAMAS?

[sudden cloak]

I mean, yeah but its not the greatest dps choice

Lex is overhyped imo

Elmos is better for soloing legendary

[subtle bluff]

Ya even more now that poeple can get. kinda of crazy it's kind of throw tinkerer in the shadow a lil.

[sudden cloak]

It's honestly better than lex in group legendary too

[subtle bluff]

I use to run it in my leggo build with ranger and smg9 measured but I love Iron Lung

[sudden cloak]

Lex is the highest dps ar but only by like 3-5%

[meager fog]

Because clip size, dps, laser accurate and Shock ammo which removes enemies from cover animation disrupts them and in general makes things easier to kill

[sudden cloak]

Famas, police m4, carbine 7 are all decent high end choices

[subtle bluff]

base

[sudden cloak]

I've always liked honey badger

[meager fog]

Plus Elmos require less ammo pick ups since you get 70 free rounds every 1.5 magazines

[meager fog]

I like the premium skin for it lol

[subtle bluff]

GOD DAMNIT... I redid my meme HF BH run... GOT 3 extra chunga spawns

[sudden cloak]

🤣 🤣

[subtle bluff]

LIke when I want to get a good clip for these I no joke get all the chunga spawns

Loading luck...

[fervent patio]

Dose anyone know how I can make a Tanky, but good DPS for PVE for solo runs on anything and for small groups?

I'm doing better at coming up with builds. But still having a hard time getting through challenging difficulty missions. ;-;

[subtle bluff]

Heartbreaker

But there is no real tanking in Div2

[fervent patio]

Ah, okay.

This is my current build.

[subtle bluff]

Better gameplay will out do builds to a degree. Good postion and being at the right place at the right time to do the right things is big.

[sudden cloak]

What the hell

[subtle bluff]

I blame him.

[sudden cloak]

I've never seen that happen before

[fervent patio]

Oh, what the hell?

[subtle bluff]

I've seeeen things lol

[sudden cloak]

Its currently 4:20am here

[fervent patio]

But, this is the build I use for chal diff atm. Not good, but just enough the get by. Nothing is truly max out as well.

[subtle bluff]

Is this a PvP build? lol

[sudden cloak]

Ninja bike is just a really bad backpack

[sudden cloak]

Pve

[fervent patio]

My secondary is just there because I don't really have anything good to pair up with pestilence. And my stats aren't insane neither. I just give enemies pestilence.Stand wait for them to die and shoot them when I can. (PVE)

[subtle bluff]

Like like 3 things off of conflict meta

hehe anyways

[fervent patio]

And I know. I just realized my build didn't carry over fully.

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub

[meager fog]

That build right there needs Bob the Builder

[subtle bluff]

A ton of builds in there Heartbreaker

If you grinded a lot of CD to farm go there get striker so you can farm eveyrthing.

[fervent patio]

Lmfao. I know, I'm still learning how to make builds. For a while I didn't understand how Umbra worked.

[sudden cloak]

Bob can't fix it, but we can supply the info for a better build

[meager fog]

First thing I will repeat.

Take that Ninja Bike backpack. Put Kitty Fluffy Kiss Kiss inside it, and throw it off the Brooklyn Bridge.

Then check out the pinned builds for something you like the look of

[solar sable]

do you have more clips like this one? lmao

[subtle bluff]

Not really that oen was special

[fervent patio]

Okay, thank you.

[solar sable]

just saw this sorry but nope I haven't

[sudden cloak]

Its similar to mine except I use 2pc hana-u and 1pc wyvern

[fervent patio]

Is this what I should follow?:

[meager fog]

Solid build yes

[subtle bluff]

This is for incursion turrets

[fervent patio]

Okay, one more question though?

[meager fog]

Yep?

[sudden cloak]

That's what I use mine for too

I've got the 3pc empress and 1pc wyvern version as well

[fervent patio]

How do I get coyote's Mask?

I came back to this game about three weeks ago. Me and my uncle couldn't get it to drop. ;-; I even farmed jefferson trade center a bit on is heroic and still couldn't get it to drop.

My uncle got it I think yesterday or the day after, but I wasn't with him for him to drop it for me sadly. I've done summit and CD on challenging and or heroic difficulty and still nothing.

And priority objectives give me the same is exotic.

I'm starting to think I just can't get it. Even on ps4 I couldn't get it.

[meager fog]

Countdown or Summit with targeted masks.

Or Jefferson Trade Center mission if it has mask target loot

[fervent patio]

I also have Directive on, a total of 125% on summit and 50 on open world.

[meager fog]

It will drop eventually, it's around a 7% chance on Heroic from the JTC mission

[fervent patio]

Okay, I'll just keep trying then. Thank you for the information. I really appreciate it.

[meager fog]

Try MM into the mission and asking for it to be dropped, after hours farming CD and Summit thats how I got mine.

[subtle bluff]

Don't sweat it.

Trinker would do you better if you want it

[fervent patio]

MM?

[meager fog]

Matchmaking

[fervent patio]

I made a build around it, and it's good dps, but is extremely terrible survivability.

[fervent patio]

I can show it if you want.

[subtle bluff]

If you want

[meager fog]

Coyotes has no more survivability than Tinkerer.

[meager fog]

Tinkerer would work just the same on that HB build is what he was saying

[subtle bluff]

Hold on I need to make this build into something we can copy

[fervent patio]

I know it doesn't, but I would die if anyone even looked at me, lol.

I don't have everything I need for the Rifle Tinkerer build yet sadly. It was fun to use, but just not finished and bad armor.

[fervent patio]

Thank you!

[meager fog]

Normally better to just farm another

[raw marlin]

Finally

Let go

[subtle bluff]

God... Everyone is posting this in all discords

[raw marlin]

[meager fog]

Exo components are valuable. Dont waste them rerolling things when it's normally quicker to just farm another.

[subtle bluff]

If it's one of your main weapons just roll it.

[meager fog]

No, Elmos can drop with a random 3rd

[raw marlin]

I Have elmo

[meager fog]

So does alot of people?

[raw marlin]

People?

I'm finally open box is back weapon is Lexington

Sorry I have to go ok see ya

[meager fog]

I am confusion

[grizzled garnet]

Most if not all exotic weapons

[meager fog]

Only exotic gear drops with set attributes. Weapons don't

[magic pilot]

Shoutout my clan lol

[cerulean smelt]

i just put a striker build together and i use GR9 with 250 magazine size with tinkerer mask, chest and turmoil knees. things just goes poof for me (> <)

[void tiger]

Hey guys, any tips on builds around Oxpecker? just got one from an invaded mission and i would like to use it without my shield getting lasered

[magic pilot]

Normal striker build basically

Dps wise there is better options, but if you play aggressive enough you can tank a lot of dmg

[void tiger]

so just all red cores or do i need some blue cores mixed up too?

[magic pilot]

I would go all red personally

[patent fossil]

Ta for the heads up

[meager fog]

Depends on the content. All red for pretty much everything, or PFE if running Master/Legendary if you want

[void tiger]

Any ways to farm some mods? I only got like 2 PFE mods but theyre all trash

[meager fog]

Just standard gameplay, look for targetted mod loot (or target it yourself in countdown)

[magic pilot]

They come into the vendors a lot

[void tiger]

alrighty then thanks for the input chief

[void tiger]

vendors been dookie as of lately

[meager fog]

Well...you wouldn't know anyway.

[void tiger]

aint buying some mid ass dlc just for an extra vendor 😭

DAMN IT

[toxic frigate]

Any recommended build for PFE focused but still do damage

I thought it want around 4Blue 2 Red?

[meager fog]

All red does fine with a couple PFE mods most of the time. 2 blues help with AoK but still will get wiped in legendary content.

Besides that, with the Oxpecker the idea would be to deal as MUCH damage as possible as quickly as possible to maintain your shield. Since the talent heals it for damage you cause

[onyx sage]

nothing's better than it, there are some close to it

[honest moss]

P416 a decent AR option? I like the look more than a police m4. I know there is a chart somewhere but i don't know how to find it.

[onyx sage]

it's good

[honest moss]

Thank you "average" player 😄

[onyx sage]

I'm scared to ask about the quotations

[honest moss]

XD

[toxic frigate]

can you just kill this MG Riker without breaking your HH stacks

i hate it when it just blews his hat off

[patent fossil]

Nope, same as any other helmeted enemy, you have to break the helmet to get a headshot kill

[toxic frigate]

so its just breaking hat with Determined then reset it with Regulus?

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message

[magic pilot]

Yea or just don't run determined and hit him elsewhere to one shot

[ionic scaffold]

Anyone got a Tinkerer Turmoil one shot MMR build? I have this and not yet optimized but I think I like the 4 pc hotshot more for now.

Or maybe change the chest to a more fitting brand set?

[cerulean smelt]

will be tough keeping tinkerer and turmoil in that set up

[wooden finch]

how has CHC/CHD ceska bag become a unicorn piece for me

[sudden cloak]

Huh?

[shy willow]

Chain killer is good

Infinitely better if you're using turmoil as well because that thing takes 30 years to get stacks with

[wooden finch]

i cant for the life of me get a ceska bag with chc and chd

[magic pilot]

Idk if 2 hotshot is worth here?

[gilded needle]

what can i do to make my build better?

[glad heart]

It isn't just you. That is a very rare piece. It is so hard to get, it begs a hard look at manipulated rng in this game.

[patent fossil]

Agree with mortar, if you want to go that way better off with 2pc habsburg or similar.

[sudden cloak]

Get obliterate on your chest piece

[lavish vortex]

if i have the same build but my shd watch stinks (<100) and i can recalibrate my strikers pieces, do i put on chd or chc

[glad heart]

Just slight adjustments:

[gilded needle]

oh ty guys

[glad heart]

As your shd level goes up, your build will get a little better,

[sudden cloak]

You don't have to run elmos with the build, most high end ar's should work, but elmos is great until you get your watch up

[gilded needle]

mk

[glad heart]

Ummm Elmo is great period. No caveats at all. I have all of them, and Elmo stands out. Mag capacity, shock rounds... Lex with strained is good, but still run Elmo.

[sudden cloak]

I never said it wasn't good, i just said high end ar's will also get the job done, and there are quite a few ar's better for dps than elmos, it shines most in those lower lvls when you're missing watch points and weapon mods for high end ar's

[gilded needle]

would lexington with killer be better?

[sudden cloak]

Killer, measured and strained are all good options for lex

[gilded needle]

alr

[glad heart]

You basically said it is a "noobie" gun. I take exception to that comment, because it is simply not true. Sure you don't have to run it. Each to their own.

[sudden cloak]

I still use it, but mostly for solo legendary

Open world I have other preferences

[glad heart]

I run lex if running Scorpio, or Mantis....

[sudden cloak]

Mantis?

[glad heart]

Sure, why not? Striker is not a "sniper" build, but there is a use for a clean headshot once in a while... Roosevelt Island, the high ground sniper in second to last area,

[sudden cloak]

I've just never used it, not even sure what the talent does

[glad heart]

Low visibility, scope highlights the head

[sudden cloak]

Ah, yeah I could see that being useful

[glad heart]

White Death, M700 etc would make the shot also. But not if you can's see the target clearly

[lost wren]

i'm going to try to use lexi with measured for legendary until i get a lexi with killer
no luck with the stretch goals so far sadly

[meager fog]

You can change lexis talent you know?

[lost wren]

i do
the lexis i have are both for pvp

one with flatline and the other with measured

[sudden cloak]

I personally think elmos utility is better for legendary than lex extra dps

[karmic tide]

6red or 2red & any thoughts? Guns aren’t changing:)

[sudden cloak]

If for legendary, the most I'd is 2 blues if you're running strikers

[karmic tide]

Just general heroic pve

[sudden cloak]

6 reds then

[meager fog]

You need no blue at all for heroic

[karmic tide]

Ok

I just need to get better at playing then

[meager fog]

Even for lego, you can just use improv piece with PFE mods

And 6 weapon damage

[meager fog]

Better positioning, learning spawns and using cover to cover moves

[sudden cloak]

Positioning is key to surviving, try to position yourself to where only 1-2 ads can see you at a time

[karmic tide]

💁🏼‍♀️

I think that’s blowing a kiss

[lost wren]

also focus on killing from right to left

[sudden cloak]

Lol

[sudden cloak]

Huh?

[karmic tide]

lol

[meager fog]

Lol what?

[meager fog]

This is what I use for Lego.

[lost wren]

depending on positioning kill from right to left, enemies to the right of you get more priority
least that's what i got from toastey

[karmic tide]

Does that “Reduced Threat” on Cloak work?

[sudden cloak]

It depends on where you're at honestly, I switch shoulders depending on the situation

[onyx sage]

in solo, no

[sudden cloak]

I also focus whoever is closest, whether they're left or right

[onyx sage]

there's only 1 target for them to shoot, reducing your own threat does nothing

[karmic tide]

Obviously lol

[gloomy spruce]

It does not increase the likeliness of an NPC to target a drone/turret/decoy or other hostile npc?

[karmic tide]

But in a team setting

[onyx sage]

it still won't work the better you perform, because eventually you will build enough threat

and you want to deal more damage, that is the goal, so you will build more threat, eventually cloak becomes useless

[sudden cloak]

The best way to reduce your threat, is to obliterate everything in that general location

[onyx sage]

shoot shit, don't die

[sudden cloak]

My favorite motto

[lost wren]

how would this be for a lego setup?

[onyx sage]

good

[meager fog]

It would be fine if you know what you're doing.

[sudden cloak]

Thats fine, I personally would use decoy/assault turret over revive hive, but that's just preference

[lost wren]

i like decoy more ye

[sudden cloak]

Emp sticky is also very goated

[lost wren]

for the hounds

[sudden cloak]

Mini tanks more than the hounds

[meager fog]

Skills are a matter of taste. Whatever works for you.

I love Foam because spawn killing is fun.

Mini gun makes short work of the dogs and tanks.

And revive hive because I get a little too over confident sometimes 🤣

[sudden cloak]

The only hound you have to worry is the grenadier hound, minigun and sniper dog are easy to disable and don't 1 shot your shield

[onyx sage]

grenade dog and mini tank my beloved

best designed enemies in the game

[lost wren]

the apartment is a good secondary to keep right?

[sudden cloak]

Mini tanks do ungodly amounts of dmg

[lost wren]

what mods then? i hit the chc cap without them
just more chd or accuracy?

[magic pilot]

It's pretty bad atm

[lost wren]

rip

[meager fog]

More CHD is never bad. PFE doesn't hurt as long as you're close to 150 CHD

[magic pilot]

If you are going unwavering crit mods

[lost wren]

oh i more meant the gun mods

[meager fog]

ROF > Rounds in Mag > Handling for me

[lost wren]

would smg9 with measured or unwavering be better?

[magic pilot]

Definitely

I like unwavering personally

[lost wren]

unwavering feels nice to use ye

sucks that the banshee isn't good anymore, i have it with unwavering
time to rely on rng

[magic pilot]

Yea I crafted a banshee and got it to 20 expertise

[lost wren]

is a secondary smg with unwavering the best use of a secondary slot or are there better options depending on the content

[magic pilot]

It depends, sometimes lefty is nice for stacking and sledge

Scorpio is a good secondary as well

[lost wren]

for the cc

[meager fog]

However you cant use Scorpio as you're using Elmos

[lost wren]

well yeah, ik

[lucid loom]

Do I need to change anything to make this crazy..

[sudden cloak]

What are you going for with this?

[surreal condor]

Is the hot shot set good with the EB?

[urban latch]

Hotshot is a sniper set

[sudden cloak]

^ this

[lucid loom]

@sudden cloak I’m trying to make a strong smg build

[surreal condor]

What set should I use for EB?

[sudden cloak]

Try this out https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mWk2Jgg8uJX3hkturWAET95gizwVHReoOOayO-ixe6U/edit?usp=drivesdk

[urban latch]

basically any crit dps build

[grizzled garnet]

For a strikers tinkerer build what ar would i want? Also what talents?

[lost wren]

famas, carbine 7, police m4, p416

measured, killer, strained, optimist

streamline is fine too but skills are really good so i wouldn't recommend it

[subtle bluff]

You can throw in ranger too.

Unless you're in front of their faces all the time with an AR.

[lost wren]

ranger is pretty solid as well

[bronze summit]

hi does turmoil kneepads work with iron lung? will the richochet bullets apply the burning effect? 🔥 Another question, how does turmoil work with a status talent weapon. Ignited for example, the extra kills from the kneepads count for the elemental kill counter? thanks if u can help me, i dont have the turmoil. @ me

do burst weapons send all pellets of the burst at the same enemy? will it spread out and hit multiple hostiles?

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil is doing the DMG not the weapon for the transfer dmg.

[bronze summit]

ah so its a seperate instance, thank you

[subtle bluff]

No where in it's description says ricochet.....

[lost wren]

is turmoil even a good item to use?

[subtle bluff]

Rarely.

For real stuff not really.
Things under heroic sure or fun stuff. It's on my pesti build but that thing isn't a serious build. I'll take it off it I need to do real clears but otherwise it's my build to clear stuff quickly like for projects or something on challenging.

[charred fractal]

Turmoil are very useful, the problem is the understanding of how they work with people only looking at one metric.

[pastel crane]

Is there a build that make use of Birdie's Quick Fix Pack? Or is it another useless exotic?

[meager fog]

They're really not that useful.

[charred fractal]

Ok 👌

[solar sable]

from what I've seen it's pretty niche

[fleet wasp]

anyone know how i can get this AR?

[noble nova]

best thing to do is farm countdown with target ARs

[plush sundial]

What can i change to push me into legendary right now I can do heroic

Coyotes Mask
6.0 CHC
12.0 CHD

Umbra Initiative vast
170000 Armor
10.7CHD

Umbra Initiative holster
13.7 WD
12.0 CHD

Devil's Due
12.9 WD
12.0 CHD
10.HSD
10.0 CHD
Umbra gloves
10.9 WD
6.0CHC
Umbra kneepads
170000 armor
6.0 CHC

[magic pilot]

oh my!

id probably start with swapping off devils due

[plush sundial]

@magic pilot any suggestions to replace it with

[magic pilot]

ceska vigilance backpack

[plush sundial]

Ill try that out

[subtle bluff]

If you can't solo heroic invaded Tidal flawless (no downs) on a mostly red build you're not ready for leggo.

[scenic briar]

what are the situations where it's useful?

[meager fog]

When a youtuber told you it's good

[charred fractal]

Speed running, but clearly someone else knows better so I can't be bothered to argue.

[fleet wasp]

i didnt realize i havent been putting points into my specialization class

i have 145

[idle crane]

The kneepads are good for a bunch of aspects of them game, killing 2 ads at once with a headhunter build, killing multiple ads but just shooting at one, killing 2 dogs easily, killing ads around you while doing objectives

[glad heart]

Heck of an acid test. What qualifies as "mostly red?"

[meager fog]

All red, or no more than 2 blue

[glad heart]

What I thought. Also, tidal is always invaded... just sayin

[fleet wasp]

is this a good exotic? just picked it up in countdown

[meager fog]

Not really

[meager fog]

Taking twice as long to kill an ad, because you're splitting your DPS, while taking damage from multiple is not a good use for anything.

You could make a case for them being useful on low difficulties. But on Heroic/Master/Legendary outside of 0.1% of the game population who speedrun in very organised groups. No. They quite literally aren't useful.

[charred fractal]

You really don't understand ttk

[idle crane]

They don't work in legendary? But I've used them to solo every legendary today? 🫡

[meager fog]

@subtle bluff You don't understand time to kill.

[idle crane]

Yanno 10 minute capital, 13 rosovelt, 21 tidal and a 12 dua 🫡🫡

But also, headhunter🫡I like killing 2 ads when shooting 1 😉

@charred fractal went quite in here

[charred fractal]

Waiting for the POV demands 😂

[idle crane]

🤣🤣

[subtle bluff]

Meep.. I did some math a while ago for ttk for guns...

[charred fractal]

Static single targets.

[subtle bluff]

There's accuracy in there too.

[violet juniper]

Peep this awesome striker healer build guys

[subtle bluff]

It's not math that in.

[violet juniper]

keeps up with dedicated FI healers and everything too guys

[subtle bluff]

Plz no. Soo many have tried this

[violet juniper]

reddit, as usual lmao

His ouro does more damage than capacitor too btw

[subtle bluff]

I kind of have one. But it's not just healing.

[violet juniper]

"give me a fun hybrid healer build that isn't meta" Refactor is right there.

I just pointed out the issue with his build and left it at that lol

[subtle bluff]

Tinkerer can make some stuff. I just haven't tried yet.

[glad heart]

Well, guess I will never be ready for leggo. Memento/ceska oblit/elmo build. Put down last area, 1 panel on third launcher to bust, game cheat drone (acted like a sniper drone--e.g. no yellow light glare) blew up over my head.... dumped out. no point in finishing it... got back up and just quit

[violet juniper]

It's not the build, it's the knowledge. You have to practice. You'll get it, but it's hard

[glad heart]

Was not that hard actually, but a cheater drone put me down, up from reviver hive, but no point in finishing as no longer flawless.

[meager fog]

1 down is still fine.

As long as you finish without death.

[glad heart]

well hell haha.... oopsss... will do it again tomorrow haha

[meager fog]

In an ideal world sure, no downs flawless runs. But mistakes will ALWAYS be made. That's why your revive hive is there.

[glad heart]

True I would have finished without death... was just about there

[subtle bluff]

The point is to get thru it all without a Rez hive.

[glad heart]

Yep

[subtle bluff]

In leggo a Rez hive won't help sometimes because of getting overrun. Just getting in the mindset of poisitoning and prioritizing targets.

[glad heart]

2nd garage dua leggo, go down everytime. Its a kill box with no where to fall back to

[sudden cloak]

When I first started solo leggo I used rez hive, but once I started getting more comfortable running I started using decoy, assault turret, emp sticky and defender drone

[sudden cloak]

Just play from the room with the ammo box in it, you can shoot through the glass closest to the door and peek ads from the door

[glad heart]

That's what I do, but every time they push hard. Thinking being a bit more aggressive with it may help, but a decoy might be smarter.

[subtle bluff]

Garage is the make it or break it for DUA.

[subtle bluff]

Aka cheese.

Mini gun the spawn is my trick

[glad heart]

Well I keep breaking.... haha

[scenic briar]

the beginning of DUA with all the mini tanks can be a little tricky too

[sudden cloak]

Yup, try decoy/assault turret, assault turret is better at holding agro than decoy is

[subtle bluff]

Emp sticky and decoy so you can focus them

[glad heart]

MK46 on full red striker, + elmo, entrance I am handling fairly well

[subtle bluff]

Garage is the hardest place.

[glad heart]

I agree

[sudden cloak]

Break their tracks so they can't move, dmg them to lure out the controllers as well and kill 2 birds with 1 stone, using emp sticky

Every time im on a good run for dua garage is always my longest section

[subtle bluff]

Killing tanks is usually my first thing then make sure I'm in position for spawn to change to the minigun

[karmic tide]

So Rez hive is out?

[subtle bluff]

You could also if you're running lex you can fun chatterbox for spawns.

[karmic tide]

Sorry I guess I didn’t read all the way down. Just got home and was catching up. I should stop running Rez hive is what I’m hearing and just focus on being better

[sudden cloak]

For solo leg you get more survivability/utility from decoy, assault turret, emp sticky and defender drone

[karmic tide]

I play with no mini map because I felt like I was looking at it too much.

Made me have to memorize spawns

[sudden cloak]

Mini map is huge when doing legendary

[karmic tide]

Feels like weakness to me 😉

[sudden cloak]

It most definitely is not a weakness, I have spawns memorized even with my mini map active

[karmic tide]

I was just teasing. You do you:)

[sudden cloak]

You'd be surprised how many people say the same thing and are fully serious

[karmic tide]

Yeah it’s a game lol not life or death. It’s meant to be enjoyed so why would I FORCE my opinion on your playstyle

I’m excited to learn to play w/o rez hive

I stopped using a shield awhile ago and that felt good

[sudden cloak]

It takes some getting used to

[glad heart]

I hate the shields. Never used them

[karmic tide]

I got tired of being dragged across the map by someone caught on it

[sudden cloak]

Firewall shield is great

[glad heart]

Mostly, I am trying to shoot through a shield, rather than using one. (if grouped)

[karmic tide]

lol yup

[sudden cloak]

I usually only get dragged if a player runs next to me without paying attention

[karmic tide]

Situational awareness is definitely a learned skill that most players don’t have at least on xb

[sudden cloak]

I like running with fog of war on regardless of what im doing, even legendary if im not running solo

[karmic tide]

Might as well lol 25% xp for a thing that’s not even on my screen

[glad heart]

Well, i have had the mini map lie to me more than once. Show nothing, but a dude right behind me from out of nowhere

[meager fog]

Thats probably because you were playing with someone using Fog of War...

[glad heart]

Solo, PVE

[sudden cloak]

I've also had this happen before as well, usually results in my almost dying if im on my red builds

[fleet wasp]

What’s the best AR to use for the striker ?? I’m stuck between the st Elmo’s engine or the Lexington or is there a better one

[meager fog]

Both are some of the best in slot.

[glad heart]

Two of the best. Police M4 would be the same as using Lexington. FAMAS is good, but 3 shots hit the target, the rest go over the targets head

[fleet wasp]

any exotic or one that I should grind for then?

I’ve been building up my striker class I just need my mask and a decent AR

I’ve been using the chameleon

[glad heart]

AR grind.

[fleet wasp]

May just stock pile exotics and see what one fits best

[meager fog]

There are BiS: Elmos, Lex, m4 Famas etc.

But literally any high RPM gun works just fine.

[sudden cloak]

Honey badger is 1 of my favorites

[fleet wasp]

Can the stats of Elmo’s be maxed when dropped? Or atleast 1 or 2 of them

[glad heart]

Can drop in any condition. All RNG

[fleet wasp]

Oh no way that’s dope imma just mindlessly play countdown then

Need to max my gear pieces but tinkering is confusing lol

[meager fog]

It always drops with AR Damage and Health Damage.

The 3rd attribute is random, but you need Dttooc.

[sudden cloak]

It can drop with it's attributes maxed out but it's completely upto rng

[meager fog]

yes

[wicked igloo]

Should i use red crit build for farming summit floor 10? I just get schredded to death with it

[versed flame]

and the complexity?Legendary?

[meager fog]

Popular exotic farm

[subtle bluff]

You mean difficulty...

I hate that everyone want to get it for PvE...

[wicked igloo]

Legendary yes, ive done like 20 strongholds so trying my luck here

[meager fog]

Countdown is better, but people like to do different things.

[subtle bluff]

Easier if nothing.

[wicked igloo]

Im looking after bighorn

[subtle bluff]

Why now?

[wicked igloo]

For pvp

[subtle bluff]

DZ?

[versed flame]

aaaa!clear

[wicked igloo]

Yeah

[subtle bluff]

You past 900 SHD yet?

[wicked igloo]

Im at 560

But besides that, just wanna collect all exotics too

[subtle bluff]

Players over 900 will have those stats on you.

I mean collect it when you have the build and gameplay to do so.

[full sedge]

@viral remnant saw your q in general chat. try this build, very tanky. 6% regen with memento fully stacked. mask is chillout, just use regular gila if you don't have it, pfe mods. bellstone obliterate chest with another pfe mod. the blue minors on the glove and holster are explosive resistance. the bellstone knees might be a bit tricky to get, but try to put the one damage core on any of the pieces, doesn't have to be that one. 4 of the pieces have crit chance, all other red minor attrribs are crit damage. memento has a crit damage mod. i first ran it with unbreakable on the chest, but if running the reviver hive you can do without, especially after ramping up memento stacks. i actually switch to decoy from reviver after i max the memento stacks. i did leggo solo dua with this build. ngl, takes a bit longer but it is tanky.

[subtle bluff]

Looks like a PvP/DZ build..

I mean good luck solo other leggo with this. DUA isn't that hard. I did it on HB last year.

[full sedge]

forgot to mention credit, actually been trying to find which youtuber i saw this build, tweaked a bit, but pretty much their build. wanted to try a non-striker tank.

when you're shd 7590 sometimes you just do things for the challenge

[meager fog]

Isn't MrCHow like SHD 1,000,000 lol

[subtle bluff]

I'm like 7k only.

It's not really a tank. It's busier if nothing.

[hexed steppe]

i miss the old days with 30sec oxi clears on f10 and you didnt need to lobby to get a fresh set of npcs

[subtle bluff]

Just happy not seeing hazpro for backfire.

[full sedge]

5 armor and 6% regen not a tank?

[subtle bluff]

Not really you can stand in front of a bunch of ads at once.

[full sedge]

yeah, landing so many shots the hazpro is not needed for the backfire.

[dusk maple]

Are there any recommended Striker's Battlegear build that I can use other than memento?
memento is cool, but this stat system is so tired sometimes.

[violet juniper]

I'm having a ton of fun using striker with tinkerer rn

basically just a super Measured setup with no RPM decrease

[dusk maple]

ty. I watch this build of user sometimes, I will try.

[violet juniper]

My highest shot without modifiers, at full stacks+crit+headshot is 2 million plus

[hexed steppe]

some of yall need to branch out to nego... js

[violet juniper]

Yellow nego healer hybrid

[hexed steppe]

especially if you never tried it

[glad heart]

Welp, the older you get the less you tend to experiment.....

[dusk maple]

I have this headgear, but IDK I can use other weapon without named.
I will check, ty.

[glad heart]

I have a nego build BTW.

[violet juniper]

I have two, but one is a bit of a nothing burger unfortunately

[hexed steppe]

in most situations nego is just as, if not more, effective at clearing areas than striker

[subtle bluff]

When played right

[hexed steppe]

i only did tinkerer with rifles on nego so far tho. unfort only have 1 tinkerer and 4 agents so its on the back burner

[violet juniper]

Spawn clearing with nego is so fun

[violet juniper]

I have the old style Dien build

binoculars

[hexed steppe]

Seizure Build 👴

[subtle bluff]

No noes.

[rigid pine]

Τinkerer is underwhelming in my taste. I'm talking about solo playing mostly, not that impressive. I have tested the mask with many builds, and I didn't like it.
tbh, Memento changed the way I play so much, I don't consider anth but that viable when solo free roam or Solo Legendary.

[subtle bluff]

What are you running? But also the first I got went to my stash.

I don’t run memento almost ever now.

And all mostly I do is the hardest content stuff.

[violet juniper]

massively dependent on your talents and build setup

I've got probably the highest damage striker build I've ever made using Tinkerer

[rigid pine]

I have many builds. Just to be clear, I don't like full red builds. Specially with the current modifiers that drives to blue core attributes.

[violet juniper]

Tinkerer is only as good as the talents you use with it. It's NBB but done correctly, I'd say. Masks like Coyote are general use, strong exotics. Tinkerer can be awful, or it can be amazing

and honestly, it's just a very fun gear piece to play with. there's so many combinations you can use

[rigid pine]

I'm not seeking massive or top dmg. I'm seeking reliability from a build. So I don't want cover. I want kill after kill, so Striker of course, I want survivability, so Memento. That's what I like to play. That's why I said I didn't like Tinkerer.

[subtle bluff]

My only builds with peak DPS is incursion. My strikers doesn’t run the anywhere the best DPS weapon.

[rigid pine]

I'm not saying I can't do all the content if I don't use Memento. I said I like to play a certain way. No cover, no shield, I'm tired of using this bs.

[violet juniper]

Reliability? Use preservation plus your other talent

just an easy example

[subtle bluff]

I mean same I don’t use shields I don’t take cover but will use LOS.

[violet juniper]

I have a bighorn striker build but that's only for incursion lol

[subtle bluff]

Yup only on bosses.

[violet juniper]

I don't think I can stay scoped in long enough with my current build for incursion

[subtle bluff]

I have a meme build of using it BH HSD in a mission

[rigid pine]

Preservation will not help at all with the style I'm playing. PS. I'm not looking for an advice btw, I have more builds and combos, not even 4 characters can store all of the items. I'm just here to discuss. xD

[violet juniper]

I probably could, I just don't want to try. I hate miccing up for raids and stuff because I'm just not the most sociable person

I do still need to run Dark Hours and get the stupid EB though

[subtle bluff]

Just do the projects atm

[violet juniper]

I've just thought. I might try ranger over killer on my build, seeing as I usually stay pretty far away from enemies as a gunner type player

not sure if it'd be worth it though. I can't give up measured as it's kinda a key part of the build

[hexed steppe]

memento is the hardest working single item in the game... i wish i used it as much as i used too

[rigid pine]

So, this is my favourite for free roam, missions on Heroic (not Black Tusk though)
Full hds dmg. Stacking with Rock and Rolla, and swap to Big Horn. It's full blue but with the current modifiers the dmg is insane for a tank build xD.
Assault link, Multitasker, Best kind of Defense, you can choose either the haz pro or the protection from elites as a third modifier.

[glad heart]

Took me forever to get the two ceska chest pieces I wanted.

My belief is that it is intentionally made difficult due to its popularity

[hexed steppe]

lets go farming. i keep Lootcifer paid up

can simplify ceska farming by skipping right to glass

instead of the detour through oblit

[glad heart]

The scrifice and I get sacrificed very quickly

[hexed steppe]

[rigid pine]

Try this once you get EB btw.

Exodus gloves are a sleeper piece imo.

[glad heart]

I have run Exodus gloves w/striker bp and chest... only problem is the cloud blinds you as well,

[rigid pine]

It's annoying for your teammates mostly. I can handle the fart smoke xD

[glad heart]

Oh heck no, they already nerfed provi, leave it the heck alone

[subtle bluff]

Why in my noob guide is just start Ceska for the chest and library

[glad heart]

I did 150 floors in summit, to get just one ceska rolled enough to recal

[subtle bluff]

Striker chest isn’t the great to run due not being able to get past 150% stack and staying up there. This comparing it with obliterate

[violet juniper]

🤮 striker chest

[rigid pine]

That's why you can stack easily with Rock and Roll. Obliterate with hds dmg build? Think again.

[violet juniper]

I love the exodus gloves. They're surprisingly good with chameleon for resetting buffs

[subtle bluff]

Starting to just kill things vs focusing on stacking is better this for normal PvE

[glad heart]

I would show you the last one i got, but it would make you cry I am sure

[subtle bluff]

Also keeps yourself safer in ways.

[violet juniper]

For EB.. I don't know what build I'd use it for. I'd have to ask darkfox in the GCROCK server

[subtle bluff]

I only stack strikers when the opportunity arises and I know that I have the time to.

He’s mainly PvP’ing with it

[rigid pine]

Chameleon was the first weapon I tried with Exodus. It was fun until it wasn't. EB buff also resets btw, so it's a big w if you f it up during Tenacity.

[subtle bluff]

Just killing things faster.

[rigid pine]

For missions which are mostly linear I agree. For free roam/cp cleaning, I don't like hiding behind a shield. I don't say it's wrong, it's boring for me. And cover of course.

That's why I like Memento full blue Striker. It reminds me (not even close but anw) the good old striker of td1.

[subtle bluff]

I’m on glass cannon.. I didn’t need it if you noticed..

[rigid pine]

I want the stacks, I want the dmg, but I want the regen, I want the face tank/survivability.

[subtle bluff]

Tech tank

But you don’t want to use shield

Bullets hurt too much to tank.

[violet juniper]

Alphabridge was always the tank/DPS hybrid of div 1

[violet juniper]

regen tank!

[subtle bluff]

…..

PvP builds?

[rigid pine]

I'm not talking PvP right now.

[violet juniper]

full red regen is the way my friend

you can regen all of 600-700k armour really quickly

[shy willow]

Red regen is somewhat of an oxymoron

HF maybe but that's AOK

[violet juniper]

nah it's peak build trust

Reddit would love it if I used EB with it

[rigid pine]

With the current modifiers, if you want to use them anw, full red it's a waste. You are missing free stuff.

[lapis hare]

Are there any builds that keep you pretty tanky but also let you dish out great damage? Because I’m getting tired of being taken down fast as soon as I peek my head out of cover or move while on challenging. I can’t even run the legacy manhunts on anything higher than Hard because I just get destroyed on challenging.
I’m SHD150 and have been running a striker build.

[rigid pine]

Easy.

No need for cover xD

[lapis hare]

I’m also using St Elmo’s as my primary and just a normal ACS12 because I don’t have any of the named ones.

What’s that chest and backpack you are using?

I do have that smg though.

[rigid pine]

Yahl chest/Memento Backpack

[glad heart]

Yaahl, yeah... no too hard to come by

[lapis hare]

I need a yahl but haven’t gotten one to drop from DZ.

Also don’t have a memento.

[glad heart]

I don't think build is your problem. It is positioning, and use of cover that iss getting you killed

[rigid pine]

Build is like 50% of the job imo. Positioning and perception are the other 50%.

[lapis hare]

Well it gets pretty annoying when enemies start to flank you and such. Especially on legacy manhunts.

[glad heart]

That is about positioning, they will always try to flank you immediately. always have a fall back, or a corner to get around.

[rigid pine]

Anw, this build is carrying through Legendary (solo or group), with a little exp in your part, you will not have probs with this one.

[lapis hare]

But most of the time it is just trying to peek my head out to get shots and then bam armor is insta gone!

[rigid pine]

Of course you can die, if you totally f it up xD

[lapis hare]

Sadly seems like a lot play on pc.

Sorry, what is aok striker?

[glad heart]

yeah they do... sorry was changing the post so it disappeared

[glad heart]

Armor On Kill AOK

[lapis hare]

Oh okay, still not completely used to the lingo.

[glad heart]

Too much lingo I agree

Yeah yeah yeah COD FOB....

[lapis hare]

So this is my build. I do have max gunner but I am leveling survivalist.

Crit chance is 54% and CRD is 95%

[glad heart]

Very standard striker build, good to legendary (once you have more experience and a lot more watch points)

[rigid pine]

Typical Striker, it's good enough for most of the content. So, it's just watch levels you want to get.

[lapis hare]

Thing is I’d like to not need revive hive on. Pulse it’s only good for one time and then has a long cooldown.

[subtle bluff]

Strikers is the on build that can be used in all content.

[lapis hare]

Any way to level watch quickly?

[glad heart]

Yeah legendary content.... oh ok I know...

[lapis hare]

😔

[subtle bluff]

No just play the game. You’ll level passive

[lapis hare]

Dang, kind of wanted to rush to SHD 1000 so I can get those bonuses.

[rigid pine]

Even free roaming will give you tons of xp. But I recommend doing things with loot in mind. So target some pieces you miss and farm areas/missions.

[violet juniper]

All directives heroic

If you really want to do the hard grind.

[glad heart]

Anything worth having is worth working for.... if you keep dying in challenging, drop it to hard till you never go down in hard, then up the difficulty

[violet juniper]

add in some priority objective strongholds with xp as the reward

[rigid pine]

All directives to a new player, it's going to be really frustrating for him xD

[glad heart]

5x events help...

[lapis hare]

Guess I kind of wanted good loot to drop faster so I play on challenging.

[glad heart]

Yeah I get it. So play with someone that is stronger maybe?

[lapis hare]

lol don’t really have anyone. I’m pretty much solo.

[glad heart]

the curse of non-pc...

[lapis hare]

Maybe if it ever goes on sale again with dlc I’ll get it for pc. 😂

But then I gotta start all over again

[glad heart]

It will. Just give it some time

Yeah but with someone to help, it goes faster.

[lapis hare]

So back to the Backfire gun, is that not really a good striker setup?

Even with Yahl.

[rigid pine]

Backfire is op right now cause of the modifiers.

[lapis hare]

Oh so outside of the season modifiers not so much?

[rigid pine]

It's decent I can say, but right now with the modifiers it really shines.

It's not that hard to build it anw. And you don't have to search for Yahl. You can still do it with other brand set.

Right now, your main goal is the watch level anw xD

[lapis hare]

True.

[rigid pine]

And the build you have, it's going to work fine.

[lapis hare]

Okay, so I just suck! 😩😂

[rigid pine]

Only going to get stronger and stronger with watch lvl build up.

[subtle bluff]

TBH just gameplay

[rigid pine]

Nah, you will get used to the game's mechanics.

[subtle bluff]

I’d love to have 500SHD and stay there to proof SHD lvl doesn’t matter

[lapis hare]

Feel like I maybe try and rush stuff when fighting enemies.

[subtle bluff]

Wait why 1k SHD?

[lapis hare]

Believe that’s when all bonuses are available to you.

[subtle bluff]

That’s a first for me to hear

[lapis hare]

Oh maybe I am wrong.

[glad heart]

watch is fully leveled up at 999 IIRC

[subtle bluff]

There shouldn’t be anything you can’t do at SHD 100 that you can do 1k SHD other than knowledge.

[scenic briar]

SHD 1000 gets you modest boosts to various stats, but they won't make or break a build

[plush sundial]

Whats the best way to get maxed out mods solo

[subtle bluff]

Oh you mean stats. Almost again doesn’t matter to a degree.

[lapis hare]

I think it matters enough.

[subtle bluff]

No.

[solar sable]

not that much.

[subtle bluff]

I can solo heroics with all purple gear

It’ll take me forever but it’s very doable

[solar sable]

what about grey gear 😏

[subtle bluff]

Too lazy to get them but 2 players have cleared with everything grey but 2.

[rigid pine]

It's the same with expetize, it's good to have, but it's not a ''must'' thing so you can play the content.
That's why your first priority is the loot and the watch will also grow @lapis hare

[solar sable]

holy

[subtle bluff]

HH is too strong

I could do it. Just lazy to get the gear

[rigid pine]

Haz pro is not only for the Backfire, it's for all the annoying bs anw.

They are giving free stuff with the modifiers so we can use them, it's practical.

You can do many combinations, I recommended something I tested myself, and maybe fits to players like me, who want to be totally aggressive with npcs' etc.
I have 4.5K hours in this game, nowdays I just want the easiest way to do stuff, not the most challenging or sth.

We play the same content nearly 7 years xD

[subtle bluff]

Can't atm. It's in the build hub

[stark flicker]

Is 62 chc and 182 chd good?

And would anything of significant value be lost if I did 57/192 instead

[lost wren]

how good would the new tipping scales gear set be from the pts?

[subtle bluff]

Do it without the modifers

[stark flicker]

Does the github thing use modifiers?

[subtle bluff]

no

[stark flicker]

That's without modifiers

[onyx sage]

60 chc is max so

[stark flicker]

I was thinking I could drop to 57chc for 10% extra chd with my mods

I was thinking nothing of value would be lost if I run the flash hider on my iwi over the muzzle brake

Does this not use max watch?

Bc I am

[hexed steppe]

you sure thats 192chd?

[stark flicker]

This version is 182 and 62 chc after vindictive proc

[stark flicker]

Those numbers don't include vindictive so add 16 to both

[hexed steppe]

oh no, thats not how it works. you have average chc/chd. youll get a buff sure, but its not an accurate description of the build stats

its consistent with my numbers

[stark flicker]

Bc of OD I'll always have vindictive active though

[hexed steppe]

its like saying because you run backfire youll have 366chd

[stark flicker]

Okay but unlike backfire this isn't a perfect world thing bc I will literally always be applying bleed to enemies

[hexed steppe]

it wont be active until you get a kill under status. i get what youre saying but the answer i gave with that being above average is just thinking of the build rolls. its average numbers with a decent buff

[stark flicker]

I have to get a kill under status to activate od

[hexed steppe]

anyone can kill to activate your od

[stark flicker]

Do you misunderstand how the gearset works for all intents and purposes every kill will be under status

[hexed steppe]

why not killer?

[hexed steppe]

i know exactly how the set works

[stark flicker]

Bc I don't want to use the same 2 talents on every build

[fiery gust]

I mean, if you're playing solo, then yea. You got 100% chance on kill to have Vindictive active. I think what localdeck is trying to say is you may or may not have it active in a group. If you don't get the kill, you get nothing.

[hexed steppe]

15% < 70%

both are on kill , but killer doesnt matter for status. and what i mean by anyone can proc your od is because as long as the npc has the od mark your teamates can get the kill and everyone gets the benefit

[stark flicker]

This build is for solo play

[covert meadow]

Guys....

Sup deck bro...i need major advice pointed in the right direction

[hexed steppe]

just seems an odd choice to add a little chd, when you can add almost 3 times as much

[hexed steppe]

kinda a self nerf if your team cant benefit, because you know, solo build as you state

[stark flicker]

It's meant to be fun and since you were insisting on putting it in a group you actually get 64% of each bc vindictive applies to all allies

[covert meadow]

I have been trying this master mission, currently 18 experience on an all maxed striker build with glass cannon chest and vigilance BP, while it's not forgiving, I cleared the first wave (barely) but now im just pulling hair.

I googled pfe is this what I need to get this tickering mask...

And refusing to yt this i came here

[solar sable]

PVGC requires an insane amount of skill and positioning knowledge
The build does not make the agent*

[covert meadow]

Yes I watch my bro dien, perfected flawless

I just cant...

[fiery gust]

GC for master? Gl with that unless you're trying it 500 times.

[solar sable]

he the goat

[covert meadow]

Im close to about 100 runs

[hexed steppe]

thats also depends if they are actually dps and stacked with crit and can utilize it. its not a full buff either since its additive with everyones stuff. but you mentioned solo build so i dont mind thinking in those terms.

[covert meadow]

Yeah im stacking but it's not penertrating enough

[solar sable]

I suggest running the standard Strikers build instead of PVGC if you don't know very well how to position on extremely high difficulties

[hexed steppe]

personally i just went in with a standard oblit/striker/coyote/elmo all red setup. revive hive and emp sticky. i didnt attempt solo but that worked well for group when doing master mission

[solar sable]

I stopped using diaper- (sarcasm) rev hive a while ago
Wander without fear

[covert meadow]

Yeah it has to be solo, as im not a subscriber for console but ty bro I'll give it a try pvgc is nice, love the build but im starting to see same shade colors lol litterally

[hexed steppe]

well im old, depends are 😍

actually i think i did have a jammer in there the last couple times. i think when grandson carried me i was on revive tho...

emp sticky pretty much standard on every build nowadays. revive/jammer/banshee usually my other if im on any type of dps

[solar sable]

I run with decoy & emp sticky/emp sticky & shock trap but hey! I'm still trash at this game :P

[covert meadow]

Ill definitely give you results of standard vs pvgc tomorrow, I can't take another wave... smh tomorrow

Not giving up though, they got the right one now!

[onyx sage]

me too, I'm just an average player

[hexed steppe]

if wiping with glass just use oblit or the striker chest. youll have a ton to shoot at

[covert meadow]

Yes sir!

[solar sable]

sir

[toxic frigate]

can you still get Chill out now?

[subtle bluff]

Not a P. Flawless. Just a Flawless.

there's a difference.

[covert meadow]

Yeah, no wipe though which still...using pvgc is um... unforgiving

[subtle bluff]

Flawless is no downs, P Flawless is no armor kits and no downs.

[onyx sage]

new challenge?

[subtle bluff]

Ya go

[onyx sage]

focused on re4 no hit rn

[hexed steppe]

i caught some of that a couple weeks ago in a stream i think. was RE but not sure which

[onyx sage]

yeah i'm still trying 😔

[solar sable]

please I'll donate 1 dollar

[onyx sage]

this weekend sir

[peak moss]

In theory crafting a lengmo pestilence build, just wondering if gunslinger, braced or obliterate are viable talents for the chest

[subtle bluff]

Glass Cannon is BiS for Pesti TIck DMG.

[peak moss]

Hmmm

[faint nebula]

im using the linked laser pointer but not building heartbreaker stacks. i dont get it

[subtle bluff]

Can you post the build

[solar sable]

what's that bag talent?

[faint nebula]

perfect clutch

[shy willow]

Ew devils due

[faint nebula]

i may swap it. mostly liked it for the extra crit chance

really just trying to figure out why this wont build hb stacks

[solar sable]

bruh ceska brand gives the extra chc not the bag itself

[faint nebula]

i know. but putting this build together thats what i had at the time

[subtle bluff]

Go to the range Aim at the does it pulse?

With the LLP on

[faint nebula]

it either does every time or i ll go back to the range a few minutes later and it wont pulse anything

its like its being turned on and off depending on when i go in the room

makes no sense to me

[subtle bluff]

Save the loadout switch off of the build and back on

[faint nebula]

ill give it a shot tomorrow. already shut down for the night. thanks!

[subtle bluff]

OK np. Ya I haven't had problem but I don't play HB much anymore

[solar prairie]

Is there stil any way to get this? My control point 4's no longer reward blueprints.

[subtle bluff]

I believe decent

[solar prairie]

oh okay

So I guess under reconstructed caches?

[subtle bluff]

maybe Idk tbh

[obtuse crystal]

You’d be better off with vigilance if wanna use that instead you don’t lose if shield or bonus armor takes damage

[obtuse crystal]

I’m 90% sure yes