td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

i kinda like being forced to use something other than an exotic or lexi

the mask brought my love back to the police M4. havent touched that thing in a hot minute. since project resolve

[lost wren]

i should get a police m4

or a carbine 7

[strong cave]

definitely get one. its basically got the same handling as the Lex

[lost wren]

famas is nice but the recoil especially with measured is a bit wonky

[strong cave]

carbine 7 is decent. basically like the M4 version of the G36

famas recoil is no different than EB recoil from what i experience. then again, i got EB recoil down to a science even on a controller

[versed summit]

M4 rocks

[lost wren]

is there a best to worst list for non-named high end ars?

or are most of them the same regardless?

[versed summit]

It handles really nicely and honestly gets a bad rap. P416 is pretty good too

[strong cave]

Famas, M4, P416, Carbine 7, G36C

[versed summit]

G36c is trash

The enhanced is better, but they’re mostly meh

Avoid the c tho

[strong cave]

Enhanced is nice. I tend to use them for mid range

anything long long range is a no. the accuracy at that range is ass

[versed summit]

Their accuracy is so bleh IMO

[lost wren]

from best to worst?

[strong cave]

best to worst

[broken edge]

probably too soon to tell, is the thinkerer looking good overall?

[violet juniper]

Heavily dependent on the talents, very strong all round piece

[stark flicker]

what hold over piece should I use till I get tinkerer 4pc strikers ceska ob chest primary is police m4 with measured secondary random ar I found with killer

standard chc/chd

[violet juniper]

Coyote

[stark flicker]

don't have it

[violet juniper]

Grupo mask

[stark flicker]

alr

[lost wren]

for striker ob tinkerer beats out coyote's does it not?

[violet juniper]

Depends on talent

[lost wren]

measured + killer?

or is there a better talent combination to use

[violet juniper]

Strained+Killer will probably be the copy paste meta that everyone running it will use

it's odd, I'm using the mask and it doesn't feel like the sadist is taking effect

maybe it's just the gun I'm running, like IWI seems to be the best possible option

[lost wren]

what's strained

oh that one

[violet juniper]

It'll be all over YouTube within a few days I guarantee

[lost wren]

strained + killer is the best talent combo for striker ob tinkerer?

thought it was measured and killer

[violet juniper]

"NEW OP COMBO!! Best build in GAME???" type thing. It'll just be a standard striker build with killer+strained tinkerer on a FAMAS or something

[violet juniper]

it's whatever you want. I would personally say strained+killer will do more damage

[lost wren]

i don't really listen to many youtubers thanks to that reason honestly

[violet juniper]

Good mindset to have

[lost wren]

honestly the less i watch youtubers for the games i play the more fun i have with the game

[violet juniper]

Raucey, Ikia, Compton are exceptions though

[hexed steppe]

#ask-td2-community has image perms as well

[lost wren]

ikia is really good i do like ikia

[violet juniper]

GCRock is more enjoyable than I give him credit for, his hunter mask videos were invaluable when I was hunting

[lost wren]

crypt i like for pvp stuff
toastey is cool to watch for the runs
nothingbutskills i watch for the guides

[lost wren]

GCRock i like as well, but i don't watch him that much
i watched his iron horse guide and am in his discord for raid runs

but yeah even with the youtubers i do like i find that less youtube = more fun with the game which is sad but funny

oh roguegold
i only watch his dz farm videos lool

[shy willow]

When you have an understanding of what makes builds good it's easy to slot stuff in

I mean they say tinkerer build but id wager it's literally a bog standard DPS build with tinkerer plastered on

[lost wren]

he is

his dz farm videos are just the most entertaining

[shy willow]

Get ready for like 4 months of GODLY TINKERER BUILDS and it's the same build with different weapons

[solar sable]

at least it's not KVD

[lost wren]

[solar sable]

HE ACTUALLY DID?!

LMAO

[shy willow]

Von gloom

[solar sable]

stolen*

[lost wren]

i'm curious if tinkerer can be used for pvp

[hexed steppe]

beats ninja bike builds

i see od kinda being the goto for tinkerer builds tho. youll need to be using the same weapon type and will likely run out of ammo on other builds. od keeps itself topped up for the most part

[broken edge]

okay i feel less stupid knowing that only one weapon gets double talent

and not both

makes it a bit trickier to run double something silly

[shy willow]

Double double barrel

[broken edge]

like i was planning double shotgun with brazen and streamline

number go up

it should also allow for close and personal + the one that reload shotguns

man i'm bad with names

[hexed steppe]

running hf?

[broken edge]

just thinking of silly combos outside of ARs

mostly using the unique talents

[shy willow]

Pummel

[broken edge]

yeah

[shy willow]

I can smell the YouTube builds featuring determined plus a damage talent

[lost wren]

determined and ranger

[shy willow]

Give it a month and we'll have people trying to peddle first blood and naked

[hexed steppe]

determined/rifleman 1886

[broken edge]

huh

wonder if that would work

[hexed steppe]

headshot is a headshot

i dont have the piece to try it yet

[lost wren]

i don't have an 1886 yet

when crafting the chest piece i messed up and recalibrated the wrong stat and now i ran out of zofia materials and now i can't craft it until i get more

[obtuse crystal]

Or rifleman

[lost wren]

yeah rifleman's the one people use with determined on 1886

[strong cave]

bro had to have crashed out when Ubisoft uploaded all the other content creators in their own documentary for the Y7S1 brooklyn release

[strong cave]

id be the type to use boomerang and killer on an m16

[subtle bluff]

AGREED... Plz let tinker be the thing and not NBB..

Also then hazpro for normal...

[wispy nacelle]

Is eagle bearer worth grinding for?

[solar sable]

if you do pvp then think about it

[silver lark]

just got tinkerer, what should I try? thinking streamline determined or something

[subtle bluff]

try stuff.. this question is gonna be asked to death

[spare patio]

Anyone know why my reviver keep refreshing it stacks? It went from 4 to 1 occasionally. Im running burn sticky bomb build

[meager fog]

Strained/Killer Strikers

[verbal gust]

Lieutenant Dan reporting for dooty!

[versed summit]

I’d do measured instead of strained, no reason to double down on CHD

[dreamy valve]

Just threw this together recently, and the build feels pretty strong. Even if Tinkerer is currently bugged

1886 is turbo damage with headshots now

[gentle lichen]

ranger inappllicable on rifles?

[dreamy valve]

yeah

[subtle bluff]

fox's will net you more dmg vs 3pc of BP.

[grizzled garnet]

How is tinkerer currently bugged?

[dreamy valve]

Dunno, heard about it in another server, I just got it myself and will be testing it tomorrow

[grizzled garnet]

I bet itd be about how its "NoT wOrKiNg WiTh LeXiNgToN"

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 intriguing

I guess itll take time to iron out the creases

[gentle lichen]

i ran OD sadist + pressure point

the numbers were not impressive

[grizzled garnet]

Tbh od is more for team support imo

[gentle lichen]

50% amp + 30% amp + 15% amp

i'd expect dumb numbers

[subtle bluff]

Another 15% amp wasn’t gonna do dumb numbers why the players that know never hyped it.

The math never changed.

But also it’s never about bullet really but the DPS in the end.

[grizzled garnet]

The argument between 1 10 million damage bullet every 5 seconds or 100 100k every 5 seconds

[subtle bluff]

I haven’t sat to math anything probably overall. May just one OD version to get the story straight and I’ll be happy.

[grizzled garnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[subtle bluff]

At least it works and there’s things to do with it. Sadly no is being creative with it.

I’ve thought of some stuff nothing is popping out to me.

[grizzled garnet]

The builds that come to mind are strikers, OD, 1886, heart breaker maybe

[dreamy valve]

1886 might be better than Shotgun now with Tinker Headhunter. You can still one shot elites, but can do it at long range while still being able to use a shield

100 rpm and you’ll be popping them faster than a shotgun too

I think Tinkerer will ultimately serve burst damage builds a bit better than something like OD or Heartbreaker, where the incremental improvements to damage might not necessarily be a better trade off from giving up exotic and named slots and other utility gear that might benefit the player a bit more

[grizzled garnet]

1886 was always a hh build in itself

https://youtu.be/YSLySCNBwKg

[dreamy valve]

I’ll test it with and without Tinker, since I’m still partial to the Exodus gloves for the extra survivability

[grizzled garnet]

We love no embeds 🥲

[dreamy valve]

I always had the thought in the back of my mind that Tinkerer would be a partial trap exotic for builds, even during the PTS phase of it

[dreamy valve]

Headhunter + determined is what’s doing everything

Turns the game into ez mode

[grizzled garnet]

Indeed

[rich lotus]

I have it too wdym how?

[misty hull]

For OD build with tinkerer is sadist + vindictive good?

[subtle bluff]

Eh... unless your team is building around you don't see really worth it

Killer would just do better overall in that sense.

[hexed steppe]

i would probably go sadist and pressure point since both are amps and synergize well with od, or sadist/killer. jmho tho. should range test a few talents paired to see what works for you

[rich lotus]

Pvp? Pve?

[subtle bluff]

There is no good answer since it's only been about 20 hours of it being released.

[subtle bluff]

PvE. OD build isn't used in PvP

[rich lotus]

Who told u that ?

[subtle bluff]

Told? Read the gearset.

You'd get one mag of HP rounds then just stuck with a dead gearset.

[rich lotus]

I have read it and?

[spare patio]

would this proc when burn damage caused by sticky bomb kills the enemy? technically its the status effect that killed them right, not the skill.

[rich lotus]

Nah OD does massive dmg in PvP unless 100% hzp

[subtle bluff]

Status Effect that are used by a skill is a Skill.

[subtle bluff]

Not saying you don't do dmg. You're just a One mag trick build.

[hexed steppe]

at that point just go with eclipse. you would have a 30% amp that applies to all your damage

and spreading fire

[hoary sail]

Yes because it's the same for Mortar if u kill mobs with the bleed

[rich lotus]

I mean most builds are one mag trick builds because foam bighorn exist, especially on pc where u can beam pixels

[subtle bluff]

The idea is to do that but nothing in PvP always runs the same.

[rich lotus]

Run the same? I don't understand,sorry English is not my 1st language

[subtle bluff]

The point is you're one trick mag build then lose out over half your dmg.

[rich lotus]

Unless u kill the guy in 1 mag or half a mag,also u can always use 2nd gun with hollow point,ima send clips later

[subtle bluff]

I know how it works.

I understand the idea. Just not seem like a lot of effort to setup and a gamble afterwards.

[shy willow]

I don't see why anyone would run OD in PVP when there's so many other busted builds to go round

Ninjumbra, bighorn regen, mortar, fire etc

[grizzled garnet]

Jmho?

Just my honest opinion?
Just my humble opinion?

[hexed steppe]

either

humble when i write it, but honest is just as accurate

[grizzled garnet]

Just never seen jmho. Ive seen imho before

[hexed steppe]

fair

[rich lotus]

Because it gets boring using the same old meta builds, getting out of the comfy zone is fun,also OD gives a lot of dmg to teammates, especially in DZ where npc patrols are everywhere

[grizzled garnet]

Regulus pvp build 🤔

[rich lotus]

All red hsd dmg with hzp,big shield

[subtle bluff]

I mean there are plenty of non meta build in PvP... Idk about that statement.

[rich lotus]

I have to make a vid of me killing ppl in dz with OD now 😂

[grizzled garnet]

I suppose it hasnt changed then

I wonder if smn like vanguard would be worthwile in pvp for the 5s invulnerable shield or is that different in pvp

[rich lotus]

I don't run regulus,only liberty,also i am on console, different game in dz here

[grizzled garnet]

I can imagine

Last i properly fought in the dz hf and lady death were meta for pc

Idk about console bc i dont play there

[rich lotus]

That was years ago,also regulus gameplay kinda boring tbh, imagine sitting on a corner peeking from a shield waiting for someone to run by

[mint axle]

What is the talent combination that gives the highest damage with shotgun and abridged?

[rich lotus]

Brazen and flatline?

[versed summit]

Streamline would best flatline

But context is important like if we’re talking HSD or crit

[dreamy valve]

Streamline might have been auto take if it was pts version

[versed summit]

Not really relevant to the current question IMO but yeah. It would’ve been just too much damage to pass up

[dreamy valve]

At a meta gameplay level, I think the player give up too much damage using current streamline

Like, not meta in the sense of just numbers

Meta in the sense of gameplay mechanics and fundamentals

[versed summit]

That’s fair

[dreamy valve]

R-really? 🥹

I mean, yes of course

[violet juniper]

Depends on the shotgun

[mint axle]

Well, most people use the semis that have 5 pellets cap.

[violet juniper]

Brazen/Pummel or Brazen/Close&Personal will probably be the best

If you use a DB, it's Brazen/Optimist.

[versed summit]

Depends on the build

[mint axle]

Yeah but I mean only the weapon talents with abridged, the rest of the build is just blue.

[versed summit]

Yeah but like headshot or crit? What pieces are you using anyways?

[grizzled garnet]

Since ND helps build stacks for Bluescreen at a faster rate does that also apply for stuff like st elmos or backfire

Not saying a build around it will be good. Just interested to see if itll work

[bright raptor]

no

St Elmo's and Backfire stacks apply to yourself unlike Bluescreen

still both good weapon choices for ND but ranged accuracy could be a problem with Backfire

[gentle lichen]

insanely powerful
especially with the new brandset

this does not fail to 1 shot 2 blue and under players and 2 shot even full blue regen players

[grizzled garnet]

🥲

I just thought there might be something there

[grizzled garnet]

What does the IA brandset do?

[gentle lichen]

60% pistol damage + initial 5% general WD

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 intriguing

Anyway time to wait for the livestream

<t:1755093600:f> <t:1755093600:R>

[grizzled garnet]

Also im a fan of the outfit. Professional with a splash of silly goofy

[snow jackal]

What would be better for a status build, vile mask or imperial dynasty holster?

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yTpZconNI79H0165-nwpLMIDZaS-f5Gd-WHQGAoQY2M/edit?usp=drivesdk

Vile for burn, neither for cc

A build compendium along with other useful info can be found in the pins

[snow jackal]

thank you so much

[wheat warren]

I have an Heartbreaker build but I can't decide what AR I should put on, Carbine7 or Police M4 and why?

[meager fog]

Either or, they're both amongst the best ARs in the game.

Mathematically the Police M4 has the highest DPS

[wheat warren]

couse of the RPM right?

[strong cave]

due to tinkerer mask

[mellow flint]

whats everyone favourite combi, im seeing alot of measured + killer for some reason

[strong cave]

Killer/Optimist or Killer/Strained. for PVP im running Optimist/Streamlined

[meager fog]

KIller strained is a diminishing return, as I found out.

Actively worse than just using something else

[strong cave]

depends on how much crit you actually have. I run Killer/Optimist myself tbh

[mellow flint]

why the sudden increase of killer usage

[strong cave]

got buffed from whatever it was to now rewarding 70% (90% perfect) CHD on crit kills

i think it would reward only like 30% CHD back then

[mellow flint]

when did it get buffed

[strong cave]

during Y6 i believe

[mellow flint]

ah no wonder

[strong cave]

it was during the Aaron Keener manhunt which was I think Y6S1 or 2. mightve been Y5S3 as well. hard to keep track because its been repetitive

[wheat warren]

wdym? thats a Brooklyn DLC only mask right? what does that do with the Carbine7 and Police M4 comparisson?

[mellow flint]

its not locked behind the DLC

[wheat warren]

oh I did read it had a drop chance in brooklyn lol

[mellow flint]

thats the catalyst mask

[strong cave]

its not locked behind the DLC. its part of the base game. as for what it has to do in comparison, the tinkerer mask can combine talents. higher RPM, usually more burst DPS. now with combinable talents, you can unlock even more DPS. Police M4 will likely be on top because can't use lexington with the mask

[wheat warren]

oh LOL, so If I put it on Mask I can still have it dropped from the general loot pool?

[strong cave]

no. catalyst will not drop from general loot pool. only brooklyn

[wheat warren]

yall just said its not locke behind the DLC

so it IS a DLC only mask

[meager fog]

You're confusing Tinkerer and Catalyst

[wheat warren]

I am talking bout Tinkerer 😄

never said anything bout Catalyst

[meager fog]

Tinkerer is NOT a dlc mask

[vestal ibex]

You replyed to a post talking about caatalyst tho...

[strong cave]

you need to specify next time. but no, TINK is not locked behind the DLC. catalyst is

[wheat warren]

oh didn't see that lool

sry mb, so I can drop the Tinkerer from the general ppol

[vestal ibex]

Yeah master mission ez

[wheat warren]

I am spamming Countdown :d

[vestal ibex]

You don't even need to do all the scouts, just week 8-12.

[strong cave]

doesnt work

[vestal ibex]

Well it is LOCKED to the season climax mission.

[strong cave]

its like target farming Ouroboros in countdown when its locked to Incursion

[wheat warren]

season climax missions are?

[strong cave]

same as the manhunt mission from Seasons 1.0

just do those scouts and itll unlock the manhunt for you. unless you feel like speedrunning 12 whole weeks

[wheat warren]

oh thx

[vestal ibex]

What are the things for these??

||Week 8: True Sons Control Point in East Mall > Capitol Building > Bounty for Lieutenant Hanford
Week 12: 3 Invaded mission > Invaded Stronghold > Bounty for Alec "Prospero" Thorpe||

[strong cave]

have to do 3 CP's that are true sons and then 3 invaded missions

[hearty owl]

I don’t wanna do scouts just gimme mask 🙁

[patent fossil]

Only have to do 2, it's not that big a task

[tulip charm]

Thats two too many

😭

[meager fog]

Smacks of "I don't want to play the game, just give me stuff"

[dreamy valve]

The high value target system was a step in the right direction, now if they can resist hiding the season exotic for 12 weeks that would be great

[loud pine]

facts i just wanna play destiny not ‘lieutenant hanford’

[hearty owl]

TRUTH NUKE

[loud pine]

brooklyn will have to wait im on the moon

solo ops calls to me

[hearty owl]

Caldera's #1 defender

[loud pine]

forget caldera k1 hive is where its at

right now im driving the vex out of creation though 🫩

[hearty owl]

Ooooh yeah just logged in

[strong cave]

still didnt stop them from making the most tedious scouts the required scouts to complete

[loud pine]

get grinding guardian 450 light wont reach itself

[dreamy valve]

B-b-but engagement metrics

[cerulean smelt]

least it's not the usual, get the 2 hvt then wait a week to get the finale mission anymore

[dreamy valve]

Yeah, slight improvement

[cerulean smelt]

just a skosh

[dreamy valve]

I think they are relearning my friend 🥹

[cerulean smelt]

probably, but i'm curious on this area thing they're going to implement in the pts bit 🤔

[violet juniper]

This "Shroud" sniper sounds absolutely insane

125% AMPLIFIED DAMAGE to the biggest enemy

The gloves are ok though

[stark flicker]

Y'all think that new set will be used over strikers?

[cerulean smelt]

me, no

[onyx sage]

not really, but it's a nice sidegrade

[strong cave]

its basically like True Patriot but more towards Racism (tiered enemy) instead of Freedom

[cerulean smelt]

thanks for that laugh, i didn't even see it that way but now i'm going to

[quartz ermine]

my old DZ build is doing great in PVE with this new mask, what do you guys think?

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything is viable in solo play.

[misty hull]

Whats a good LMG for ongoing directive?

[subtle bluff]

But there's a limit to how viable something is.

[cerulean smelt]

i felt bluescreen did a good job on getting hollowpoints reliably

[misty hull]

Thanks , imma farm for it been using carnage for awhile now

[quartz ermine]

make sure you have Captain Lewis manhunt completed( the reward is Bluescreen)

[patent fossil]

carnage or any sadist lmg has a big damage advantage over bluescreen/iron lung/whatever else

[wicked igloo]

Can someone suggrst me a pvp build? I dont really know whicj one to go for

[cerulean smelt]

speaking of hollowpoint, think next season modifier will make OD more powerful?
Assault - “Stepping Stone”: Killing an Assault archetype enemy with a headshot instantly refills your magazine with Hollow Point Ammo.

[violet juniper]

It has a ridiculous amount of potential

[cerulean smelt]

so use both chest and backpack?

[violet juniper]

I think so yeah

[meager fog]

Literally Carnage

[cerulean smelt]

so 300% chd and maybe even use it with lady death was it?

[violet juniper]

no?

+30% LMG damage is there lol

[meager fog]

Not really, your hollow point never runs out anyway so that would absolutely be a waste.

[gentle lichen]

Still need to charge it no?

[violet juniper]

honestly, Bullet King might be a great choice

[gentle lichen]

And the decay rate is crazy

[violet juniper]

I mean with chest and bag 75 stacks of 4% crit is ridiculous

[narrow tulip]

Current stats rn, shotty is mid working on that, and working on grinding library and watch levels

[violet juniper]

That's 300% crit damage at full stacks

[narrow tulip]

Also ik I need obliterate ceska but the two I have were buns

[meager fog]

Revive hive.

[narrow tulip]

I don’t usually have a need for revive hive

I’m usually solo

[urban falcon]

Any particular builds that work really well with all 5 directives on heroic? Minus mmr/rifles

[cerulean smelt]

still doesn't hurt using other weapons for that 300% chd though XD

[meager fog]

Literally the reason to use it

[meager fog]

Basic strikers. Although don't use 5 directives.....Broken Armour is quite literally broken

[urban falcon]

Ahh man i hate that bug lol

I just pray it works (60% of the time)

[tulip charm]

Headhunter

with pistols!

[patent fossil]

with broken armor: always wait until any status effects wear off before you kit, and you're usually fine in my experience

[narrow tulip]

Over pulse or shield?

[urban falcon]

lmao got me there

[onyx sage]

i mean pistols are really strong

[tulip charm]

ur really strong

[urban falcon]

i dont trust my aim to do one shots 🙁

[meager fog]

Either.

Revive hive is an essential piece of kit imo.

For the other skill most used either shield or chem foam

[tulip charm]

I mean you can get yourself a harvester with determined and turn your brain off

[cerulean smelt]

i definitely do that sometimes

[worn elbow]

What talents should I use with tinkerer mask heartbreaker build

Flatline yes but what else?

[violet juniper]

Backfire lol

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, flatline and whatever i'd say. maybe measured?

[worn elbow]

What did that do again? Measured

[cerulean smelt]

thanks, div wise my brain is dead now a days. imagine 600%chd lol

[violet juniper]

Half mag is fast, half mag is slow

[worn elbow]

Sounds interesting

[scenic briar]

OD can help keep your ammo supply up

especially with an LMG, Carnage being the obvious pairing

doesn't rely on any particular skills either

[stark flicker]

running 4pc striker with tinkerer and ceska ob chest for my talents should I run measured/killer or measured/strained primary is a police m4

[violet juniper]

Killer/strained

run a FAMAS too, they're great

[stark flicker]

as secondary or over my m4?

[violet juniper]

actually, Measured, Killer

[stark flicker]

so what I'm currently running got it

[violet juniper]

Over M4

[gentle lichen]

Isn't measured still a placebo effect on your dps?

[patent fossil]

they gave it quite a buff

[cerulean smelt]

probably, but that fast rof part of it is still extra damage

[gentle lichen]

Only way i could think of it is on an lmg so your first half of the mag stacks your striker's fast and the other half doing the brunt of the damage

[scenic briar]

I mean it's easy enough to check at the firing range

[gentle lichen]

But would you really magdump something at heroic?

[gentle lichen]

That place is not a dps calc it's horrible

[cerulean smelt]

lmg, i'd probably go frenzy honestly?

[gentle lichen]

I got my shotgun to do like 20m dps

[gentle lichen]

Sleipnir is just so great
Is the famas with the same talent good?

[cerulean smelt]

i tried it in PTS and wasn't impressed. but getting it now i still haven't used it much but i did notice a huge difference from pts

[gentle lichen]

I know someone who has this strat where they reload in cover with umbra and step out with full umbra stacks and frenzy with slepnir

[scenic briar]

I mean it depends on how you use it. for certain scenarios it isn't a good comparison with real-world usage, but if you want to know if a talent increases the damage output of one magazine, the numbers don't really lie

as for whether you actually magdump, it depends on the build and the gun

[cerulean smelt]

for me i do that with the ironlung. get in cover. spacebar to get out of cover and light them on fire XD

[scenic briar]

9mm Vector is going to be emptying mags constantly, a GR9 not so much

[cerulean smelt]

famas?

[violet juniper]

Huntsman is like Umbra. Meh

lots of flash and noise, no actual result

[scenic briar]

I haven't actually run Measured on a Famas so I'm not sure, but my guess that it's probably competitive with Optimist

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i'd imagine so

[rich cosmos]

Umbra slander

[violet juniper]

Justified

[violet juniper]

Optimist isn't very good

[twin knoll]

could this be a good weapon for me (i am doing the starter build, also sorry about the screenshot, steam has issues with screenshoting the game in fullscreen when running from steam which then also makes the game run from ubisoft connect)

[violet juniper]

what the hell

[cerulean smelt]

grudge? unless you're doing status effects the gun is effectively useless

[twin knoll]

like i said it bugs out when in fullscreen

[violet juniper]

Grudge isn't good for striker

and you want DTTOOC, not health damage

[twin knoll]

i'll need to farm a lot of ARs then

[gentle lichen]

Stretch goals coming next week
One of the caches would drop lexington. Grind that

[strong cave]

you on a steam deck or sum? bc my steam deck does this all the time

either that or linux of some sort. i never have this issue on windows

[twin knoll]

nope PC, it has issues with fullscreen and the steam overlay

i can't play on windowed fullscreen since it decides to dim the game making it so the contrast and brightness settings in game don't mean anything and my game always launches in windowed mode

and im running it through steam

[strong cave]

odd

[twin knoll]

its probably because the game is optimized for ubisoft connect but not steam fully

and i might have to reinstall it on ubisoft connect but that could take ages

[stark flicker]

what's your specs

I run it without the described issues with a 3050 and 8gb ram

launching from steam

[narrow tulip]

Post D.U.A mission on legendary. At one point I had like 11 good status affects

[hexed steppe]

-# Predator mode active

Use snipping tool and you'll be able to paste screenshots direct to chat without giving steam a chance to jack them up

[twin knoll]

@stark flicker those are my specs

[twin knoll]

fullscreen doesn't allow snipping tool since it pulls you out of the game

[hexed steppe]

It does. Just alt+tab. I use it all the time

[twin knoll]

like proper fullscreen not windowed fullscreen

[stark flicker]

make sure you check your 3rd party graphics card is turned on sometimes they're disabled by default and it uses internal graphics

[narrow tulip]

Btw how good is mantis or iron lung?

[stark flicker]

mantis is like c- but il is good

[twin knoll]

no clue how to check that and i think it uses my graphics card not my internal graphics

[narrow tulip]

I got an almost god rolled il and a decent mantis

[stark flicker]

on the dropdown for amd radeon check what other options there are

[hexed steppe]

Mantis is solid but required ability to actually hit heads. 90% of agents will just cheese with determined

[narrow tulip]

From what I can tell I can hit headshots decently if I aim for more than half a second but I can also hit quick scope headshots pretty consistently too

[twin knoll]

its just amd radeon 760M graphics (CPU-Z) and its not selected, my graphics card is selected

[stark flicker]

you may need to disable directx 12 that can cause stability issues

[twin knoll]

yeah i think directx12 is new for division 2

[hexed steppe]

Pair it with decoy to take advantage of its talent and roll with it. I usually hit about 1-1.5mil more damage with mantis than I do with a determined m700 carbon

[narrow tulip]

What’s a good build?

[gentle lichen]

Amp damage goes brrr
And in pvp the amp stays active regardless of players targeting you

[hexed steppe]

Typical 4pc hotshot, airaldi vigilance, chain killer chest

[stark flicker]

strikers with ceska and coyote ongoing directive with a light machine gun determined headhunter rifle

[hexed steppe]

Use handling rolls then some headshot to try and hit 100% stability. At 100% there is no scope sway, but it's harder to do with mantis than it is with highend

[narrow tulip]

Was talking about for mantis. That’s the build I was using with Elmo/ acs(I don’t have lefty yet)

[stark flicker]

oh yeah headhunter is the go to

[narrow tulip]

One in the spreadsheet great?

[stark flicker]

you could run this

[stark flicker]

yeah

[hazy steeple]

The spreadsheet builds are all worked out for at least Heroic tier, full meta maths and all.

[gentle lichen]

How much less damage would running ninjabike with all the +mmr damage and hsd give?
Could be worthwhile considering you won't bother with vigi not proccing
But then again if vigi don't proc that means you're targeted which means no mantis buff

[hexed steppe]

It's like 8mil less

In the 18-20mil range I would say

[subtle bluff]

ME ME. I have the clip for that!

[subtle bluff]

Here ☝️

[gentle lichen]

Going with vigi then
Pretty sure the outcast named gunner has 25m EHP

I need to 1 shot everything or nothing
No inbetween

[subtle bluff]

uh?

in solo?

[gentle lichen]

Yh
Also that sniper isn't expertised how much would 30 expertise affect it?

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Solo heroic named? 19,789,226

Health 2,827,032 Armor 16,962,194 In total 19,789,226

[gentle lichen]

Duos?

[subtle bluff]

27,648,374

[gentle lichen]

Off by 300k on the vigi version

Pretty sure the 30 expertise would make up for that
And the 3/2/1 sniper setup

[subtle bluff]

are you going off of my clip build?

wtf is 3/2/1?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah but proper vigi sniper build would be different ofc

3 hotshot 2 habs 1 uhhhh

Airaldi? I don't remember

[subtle bluff]

That is a BAD build. It was use for pure for compairness.

uh I'm more than sure local would of put the correct hotshot build here

[gentle lichen]

4 hotshot chainkiller and gift is the classic one
I know one which maximises damage in favor of the gearset

[subtle bluff]

No Gift/Prov

[hazy steeple]

Gift is a bit of an old holdover from the days of Aces.

It's been surpassed.

[gentle lichen]

I like the 3 second delay than the 4 imo

[twin knoll]

finally fixed the issue, it was because of the optimizations for windowed games, that was forcing the game to launch in windowed mode, turning that off fixed it

[hazy steeple]

If you want to go for the 3pc, I can recommend throwing the Fox's Prayer knees instead of the 4th Hotshot, free dtooc never hurt anyone.

[gentle lichen]

Oh yeah 3 hotshot 2 habs 1 fox no?

[subtle bluff]

imo Hotshot talent is good.

[gentle lichen]

Maximising damage

[twin knoll]

is heartbreaker a good build or is it kinda meh?

[subtle bluff]

You do not need 2pc hab.

unless you already have them you won't farm them easily.

[twin knoll]

the one from Raucey

[hazy steeple]

If it's from Raucey; it's probably good.

[gentle lichen]

I'm familiar with the pain of 2 rolls and 1 talent to roll core

[obtuse crystal]

its kinda like strikers just works off pulse just i recommed running it with linked laser

[gentle lichen]

Definitely stack with acs heartbreaker stacking is generally harder than striker's

[twin knoll]

i'll stick with strikers (standard red build) for now

[subtle bluff]

If you want more survival throw on a memento.

[scenic briar]

Memento is arguably the single best piece of gear you could equip while playing solo, though its effectiveness falls off in a group as the kills get split with the rest of the group

[twin knoll]

does every AR have health damage as a core attribute?

[obtuse crystal]

all but one

capacitor

[echo drift]

couple of questions about the tinkerer. does the bonus apply to only one weapon? what if i swap to the secondary? will the bonus still apply? which gun in the inventory considered the "primary" the one slot or the two slot?

[subtle bluff]

If your Primary and Secondary weapon are not Exotic or Named and of the same type, the Secondary Weapon's talent will also be applied to the Primary Weapon. Does not apply to Talents that include weapons swapping.

[obtuse crystal]

yes primary only and the one slot

[narrow tulip]

Could I run hotshot and momento

[subtle bluff]

Could.

[narrow tulip]

All I do is run solo

[subtle bluff]

No reason you can't try

[narrow tulip]

So from what I hear it’s good, it’s just a lil less chc and chd

[subtle bluff]

But you just said this..

[obtuse crystal]

why crit on hotshot

[narrow tulip]

Huh

Isn’t that the cores on the araildi backpack?

[subtle bluff]

😶

[obtuse crystal]

no its random and the core is weapon damage

[narrow tulip]

Nvm wasn’t paying attention

Saw redcores on the stuff and thought it was chc and chd, not weapon damage and handling

[narrow tulip]

Is there a sidearm and second skill or player discretion

[subtle bluff]

latter

[hazy steeple]

Kard TDI is never a bad choice, just free slightly better skills when you have a moment.

[gentle lichen]

Free reviver hive charge to revive a teammate and keep a charge for yourself

[echo drift]

how about when i swap to my secondary weapon? will the talent from the primary weapon apply to the secondary weapon

[urban falcon]

Any ideas if tinker killer/measured AR beats coyote with killer? I dont have the mats to test it too thoroughly

[subtle bluff]

that's the talent description.

[golden nacelle]

It beats it slightly

[stark flicker]

what skill should I run to pair with cluster seeker

[stark flicker]

I don't have coyote but it def feels way smoother than a grupo mask

[versed summit]

Hive works well

[stark flicker]

not talent

[versed summit]

For seeker spam

Otherwise mortar

[stark flicker]

the old seeker spam build used crusader but afaik they nerfed hard wired to not work with shield anymore

[stark flicker]

alr

[versed summit]

Yeah just use hive

[onyx sage]

no it still works with shield

[versed summit]

It works really well with it

[onyx sage]

you're thinking of in sync

[stark flicker]

alr is in-sync worth running over cap?

[onyx sage]

they both have their place, i'd say you're not at that much risk to run in sync over capacitor

capacitor requires stacking but in return gives you more skill damage and its bullet damage is higher, the risk is getting shot at because you're shooting more with it

[stark flicker]

should I run hw bp or memento or a 3rd option?

[scenic briar]

my skill build runs both Capacitor and Harmony (perfect in sync rifle)

[onyx sage]

hw backpack

[scenic briar]

so if you can't maintain at least 20 stacks, you can just plink with the rifle

[stark flicker]

oh yeah bc of waveform right?

[subtle bluff]

waveform isn't good.

[hexed steppe]

i would run a hive as the feedback loop trigger and also btsu gloves for ez team oc

also for explosives cap and insync shotgun are the top end because both potential 12%dta

[misty hull]

Does frenzy work well with steady handed?

[narrow tulip]

Is virtuoso set good or ass?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no?

[subtle bluff]

Good know where 15-25m is in game while fighting.

[narrow tulip]

I’d say like at least two of the big trash containers

[paper moon]

Hey any advice for a returning player?

I have a bunch of gear but I’m not sure how to recycle most of it or use it towards a build

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Gdoc >Build hub

[narrow tulip]

This a halfway decent mantis build? Ik it’s missing mods that’s on purpose

Firing range at 15m hits for 5.3m damage

My screen recording is loading and then I’ll send it

[subtle bluff]

You can hit for more.

[subtle bluff]

using a worse weapon

[narrow tulip]

Isn’t that the signature rifle?

[subtle bluff]

not the point the build

is what I was using...

[narrow tulip]

I’m also only 125

And don’t have nearly close to the 29 expertise level

[subtle bluff]

Trust me it's not your SHD to do that

[glad heart]

My Aces & Eights build with Mantis is hitting 28mil headshots, and 17mil body shots when stacked up... your build is not finished, and I am not all that familiar with Hotshot, so take this with a grain of salt. Why Mantis? For low visibility conditions.

[subtle bluff]

You're also counting your HH stacks hold on here

[narrow tulip]

Pure aesthetics. I love the look of the mantis

[glad heart]

Yes I am

[subtle bluff]

the point is that he's using NBB..

[glad heart]

Well I said to take what I said with a grain of salt... and I am running an Airaldi with Vigilance

[subtle bluff]

and that's what is what's the best to run.

[narrow tulip]

I don’t have an airaldi yet or I would have it

[subtle bluff]

Did you note my base WD vs Mantis? My SHD and Exp does not make up for that much WD

Again the point is using NBB..

[narrow tulip]

What’s the stats on that?

[glad heart]

Hey, I am not picking on you at all. Just sayin where it could go, and maybe hotshot can take it higher

[subtle bluff]

scroll down from there I posted it..

[narrow tulip]

The reason I’m using NBB is bc I don’t have the airaldi so I’m using it to fill the spot for now

[subtle bluff]

You don' t need airaldi.. You need vigilances.

[narrow tulip]

I don’t have any vigi or airaldi

[subtle bluff]

keep farming

[hazy steeple]

If you want the vast majority of gear, go run a Countdown or two.
It takes 15 minutes, and you can even pick what you want to be more likely to drop.

[narrow tulip]

Ik I just don’t want to run it after doing that for 4 days straight

Lowkey been trying to get the chatterbox and nemesis

[hazy steeple]

Both requires you to own the blueprint first, in case you were trying to farm it out like that.

since they're "project exotics".

[narrow tulip]

That’s what I read, I got the tally part Alr

Just been doing invaded, cp3s, strongholds, and manhunts bc I’m lacking in attachments too

[hazy steeple]

Ah yeah you need the actual Nemesis Blueprint, not just one of the parts.
to do that, you need to own any 2 (can get them both in 1 week) parts of the Nemesis, the first being from breaking down the Adrestia in Tidal Basin, then go re-run an Invaded Stronghold and get the one part that week, and then wait for Grand Washtington Hotel whilst you get the other bits from the Invaded Strongholds.

it can take a while, but just make sure you're doing all the steps as you can get them.

[narrow tulip]

Are the other parts for nemesis guns that I have to take apart or are they actual parts I have to find an pick up

[glad heart]

Boss drops from invaded strongholds

[narrow tulip]

I’m missing 4 sights, 15 mag mods, 8 muzzle mods

[hazy steeple]

Chatterbox is a lot easier, just farm out Hyena lockboxes, then once you have all 3 bits, go run the Bank mission (regular) and open the gate just before the server room.

completing the project will give you a fully made gun, no need to farm it out unless you want more copies.

[glad heart]

don't forget to get the secret key in bank headquarters

[hazy steeple]

(it's just before you go down the elevator shaft, in the office, to the left of the entrance)

open a panel on the wall.

[narrow tulip]

I was playing with a guy who picked it up, does only he get it or both of us?

And will it show up in my inventory?

[glad heart]

you have to have the parts first to get the blueprint

[hazy steeple]

re-read if still confused.

[narrow tulip]

Oh I did t see that message

I only have the modified mod part for it

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna post something in #ask-td2-community for you. @narrow tulip

Ask everyone else there what it's about.

[hexed steppe]

tbf, even using that ceska with unstoppable force would be an improvement over ninja bike while you farm a proper vigilance bag. hotshot headhunter is a set that has a lot of flexibility on what you use as your highend pieces. ninja is just a solid nerf tho

[narrow tulip]

So ninja is basically all buns? I will say pestilence golden bullet is disgusting

I wish they put good bounties in

[subtle bluff]

So Chest and BP talents are some of the most powerful things in the game. NBB takes that away and cannot be made up by just actually brandset stats.

[cerulean smelt]

or even gear set stats, sure you can probably push some stats a lot, but the loss of backpack talent just hurts more than you think

[subtle bluff]

And I'm pretty sure he's seen my NBB clip but if he hasn't...idk

[cerulean smelt]

willing to bet haven't seen it, but has seen other youtubers showing it off like it's the best thing ever and it's slept on, but doesn't explain the modifier mechanics which might make it seem pretty powerful but we veterans know better

[azure hill]

Hello community: I play Striker with Elmo and GR9, but using Grupo Chest instead of Fenris. Cause in my thoughts, Grupo boosts both, GR9 and Elmo and is therefore the better choice, is that stupid?

[cerulean smelt]

depends. if you're crit chance starved then you're nerfing yourself immensely. which is why the usual goto is 4 strikers, ceska chest with obliterate and coyote's mask, which can be replaced with grupo mask if no coyotes

[hexed steppe]

Nbb is best on slot when running 5pc improvised tho

[cerulean smelt]

not 5 5.11?

[azure hill]

Elmo: CC 54,9% CD 130,9% GR9: CC 54,4% CD 115,9% (Pistol CC 49,9% CD 125,9%)

Running with Memento and as mentioned Grupo Chest with Obliterate

[hexed steppe]

That's solid reasoning. Crit is always gonna be stronger than weapon damage.
I would consider weapon damage brands if running all blue cores tho

[azure hill]

For now running heroic solo is fine for me with all red cores. I get a little squishy when playing with 3-4 player group, but still fine. Still a little early for legendary for me though.

[cerulean smelt]

so 1 walker and harris with glass cannon? 🤔

[hexed steppe]

Usually you will want ceska over Grupo. A lot of times you can shift attributes to squeeze a bit more chd while using ceska

[subtle bluff]

In groups you shouldn't really use Memento then especially in leggo.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm kidding though, wouldn't want to make someone quit over glass cannon

[hexed steppe]

Your stats are decent considering memento cant have crit rolls

[cerulean smelt]

nods which is why i was worried about using grupo over ceska, since strikers has no innate crit chance on it

[azure hill]

For 4 player groups i have some other builds i want to try. Just "finished" (except min maxing) a Refactor build and i have a pretty tanky Foundry Bulwark build with Catharsis and Zero F's.

[subtle bluff]

Tank....

[hexed steppe]

Personally I been using Grupo and ceska on my striker.

In general, without memento, optimized striker should be around 50chc 150chd

[meager fog]

Not that word again 🤣

[subtle bluff]

Sorry.. Foundry Tank.

[cerulean smelt]

how are you going to react to next seasons 300% chd?

well, gearset anyways

[azure hill]

i said tanky guys, xD i know there is nothing really like a real tank in legendary and not even heroic.

[hexed steppe]

Same as I always do, mortar ofc

[azure hill]

Just testing some other builds then pure dmg with Striker or combined dmg with Heartbreaker (which i also tried)

[hexed steppe]

I like standard striker, standard negotiators, and memento heartbreaker

Highly recommend trying negotiators

[subtle bluff]

it's more of the issue tanks don't really do much in this game. It can't hold more than one agro at time while having other support builds allows DPS to DPS.

[patent fossil]

It's just not a useful role, regardless of how tough you are you don't really contribute much to the group by tanking.
I'd recommend trying foam eclipse if you want a legendary support build

[cerulean smelt]

lucky, i don't know anymore about builds i like now a days

[azure hill]

My first build in the game was Rigger, still using it if there are some skill kills to do (even prefer it before my Hard Wired Seekerer Mine spam build)

[cerulean smelt]

plus i think 1 tank build is only realy useful in the Iron Horse raid really

[subtle bluff]

there are something I called support tanks but that's whole different thing and more about the game play than anything else.

[cerulean smelt]

but i haven't ran IH in so long i don't know if they still use that method for one encounter?

[hexed steppe]

I would just use decoy. Best aggro tank in the game

[cerulean smelt]

oh, who thinks with the hackers rapant in pvp that new exotic will be their goto?

[hexed steppe]

What skills are you using with rigger?

[cerulean smelt]

i've tried rigger when it first came out, wasn't impressed. not sure if they made adjustments, but with how sometimes i can't control my turret/drone during a fight i find it so not worth it

[azure hill]

Usually Sniper Turret and Striker Drone sometimes (depending on tasks in summit or season aso) seeker mines

[azure hill]

I found it fun dealing few million (sometimes crit) headshots with sniper turret.

[hexed steppe]

Check my afk highend/ refactor guide in the pinned sheet. Highend will yield a lot more damage than rigger

[subtle bluff]

I still like my refactor 😄

[hexed steppe]

Should look into mortar down the road as well.

[azure hill]

Also tried Hotshot (found it most fun with Diamondback) and Breaking Point (With UIC (wanna try it with the new mask, with Boomerang and Flatline or Killer))

[hexed steppe]

Boomerang + lucky shot
-# memes... I'll see myself out

100% accuracy

[cerulean smelt]

My thought was determined and rifleman

[azure hill]

Storage Chest getting little too small for me nowadays... If you want to safe everything that could be usable having rolls on CC and CD or Skill Haste and Skill Damage.

[hexed steppe]

Make your 3 other alts and each of their bags can hold 150 items.

[azure hill]

About foam eclipse: is there any build mentioned in the channel or stlt?

[patent fossil]

The pinned spreadsheet has it amongst other good build guides

[azure hill]

Thanks, havent checked the pinned messages yet.

[misty hull]

Will strained reset when steady handed procs?

[strong cave]

Unsure. Steady handed isn't all that worth it. Depends on the build to make use of the talent. On anything DPS related I'd recommend Killer and if you want to keep your DPS consistent you could go fast hands for quicker reload

[meager acorn]

This build is working insanely. With future perfect 3 stacks, and putting smart cover, Classic M1A is laser beaming zero recoil. Every attribute is CHC and CHD, getting upto 5.2mil in headshot + crit hit. Can put bloodsucker for safety. Still testing.

[subtle bluff]

OD does more.

[meager acorn]

boomerang is not working in secondary with tinkerer, it works in primary

[meager acorn]

not tried OD with rifle yet, will try

[patent fossil]

Obliterate seems odd choice for rifle build, maybe GC?

[meager acorn]

did not use GC cause of survivability, maybe will try GC + bloodsucker 🤔

I'm still testing combos

[meager acorn]

I'm using it in LMG, not tried in rifles yet

[subtle bluff]

Dont mind the weapons. Use w/e type you want

[meager acorn]

is there any app/site to showcase like this? did not know that

[subtle bluff]

There are 2: https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/
And this is the newer version with a shared database that's still in beta buildstation.app

[meager acorn]

ohh alright. Thanks👍

[worn elbow]

@verbal geyser

Ignore the weapons for now just the armor you look for now

Chest piece name is ceska and it has a talent called obliterate

[verbal geyser]

Random drop?

[worn elbow]

No you can farm them from countdown

Keep in mind that there other set ups for striker all of them are good

[livid sorrel]

gr9 with strained and frenzy is stupid fun

[verbal geyser]

I’ll work my way up towards this

[worn elbow]

Take your time enjoy the game

Btw the gloves and knee pads and holster all weapon damage and crit damage

Mask is crit damage and crit chance and same with chest and backpack

[misty hull]

just tested it, it works strained doesnt reset. when steady hand procs.

[terse scroll]

has anyone found any decent Tinkerer mask builds yet? a lot of them seem kinda lack luster so far

[obtuse crystal]

Probably only best in a od build with sadist and pressure point

[terse scroll]

man i've never even touched OD, might have to give it a try

bit sad you can't use named weapons with it

[strong cave]

lack luster? how? they're all over the place. Strikers, OD, even high end setups it works

could even use it on spotter or heartbreaker and itll still hit

[shy willow]

What ninjabike wishes it was

[strong cave]

LITERALLY

[terse scroll]

it just doesn't seem like it adds anything that's super worth using it as opposed to Strikers or my other main Regulus Headhunter

[strong cave]

didnt think to add Killer/Preservation together paired with gunner? especially on striker?

[shy willow]

It's not like you're supposed to completely revamp the build

[terse scroll]

nah i've been using Killer / Ranger mostly with it

[shy willow]

You just toss tinkerer on and pick a secondary

[strong cave]

Killer and Ranger aint too bad. I use Killer/Optimist personally

[terse scroll]

yeah, i've been enjoying the stability buff from golden bullet so i wanna test out strained or whatever the stabilty talent is

[strong cave]

better uptime as opposed to ranger due to ranger relying on distance. not everything will be at distance

[terse scroll]

close & personal could be decent

[shy willow]

Ranger, measured, strained, killer are all pretty good

[terse scroll]

yeah probs gonna try out a few more this weekend,

[strong cave]

honestly, i wouldnt recommend that. optimist would be a bit better situationally bc not everything will be close up either

give killer/streamlined a touch. even on striker build. the shield isnt always used tbh and a decoy works about the same

[terse scroll]

yeah i'll try out optimist, the way it's worded always confused me and didn't think it would be that big of a buff

[rich lotus]

Guys are smgs good relatively? I tried them on my od build which used to run an lmg and it just doesn't feel right. I'm running sadist and vindictive but maybe I'll switch to ars or back to lmgs

[terse scroll]

smg backfire is one of the strongest builds atm i think for this season anyway

[strong cave]

SMGs for the most part got nerfed to the ground since ouroboros nerf. MP7/Banshee were really good until they got diddled as well. backfire is only meta rn due to the modifiers of this season giving hazpro immunity

[rich lotus]

That's for sure I have one of those. I meant specifically high end weapons though and non named (for tinkerer)

[terse scroll]

ah right

[shy willow]

Afaik the .45 vector is still nice

[strong cave]

SMG-9 rn is the go to smg

[shy willow]

Smg 9 my goat

[strong cave]

vector 45 is still okay, tac vector is top vector of course. if you can manage to get a touch of mag size, the mp7 still sorta holds up. with tink on striker it works with killer and optimist

[rich lotus]

Well if I were to change, what are the strongest lmgs do you think. And I never ran vector, I was running the pp-19 and mp5 lol

[shy willow]

Explains why you thought smgs were bad oof

MG5/Iron Lung, RPK and L86 are pretty good

[versed summit]

RPK and l86 actually kinda suck now. Mk46/m249 are good tho

[shy willow]

Rip

[spark relic]

Hi I have a question, what is the best High End LMG? I can't decide between the MG5 and the Military MK46.

[meager fog]

Mostly whatever you enjoy using, mathematically some are better but the differences are marginal.

I believe the NEGEV is one of the best. Personally I love the E6.

[thorny solstice]

Depends on build/content and what u like. No definitive answer to that really.

[violet juniper]

IWI

It's the Police M4 of LMG's

[rich lotus]

Is there a link to how many different versions of a gun there is? I wanna know how many different versions of the MK46 and M249 there is.

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus The spreadsheet has all those listed, you can find the link in the 📌 pinned message of this channel.

make sure you check out the builds tab too, very useful for endgame (heroic) content.

[rich lotus]

So with Tinkerer, do the unamed, non exotic, etc, weapons have to be the exact same models or just that type? Like 2 LMG’s of any version or the exact same?

[patent fossil]

just two of the same class, eg lmgs. Not the same model.

[rich lotus]

Thanks

[versed summit]

I don't think it handles well enough compared to an MG5 or MK46 tbh? do you like its handling?

[violet juniper]

IWI is about the same as the MK for me

[versed summit]

that's fair then

doesn't work with weapon swap talents

[hushed gorge]

this sniper build is nice i think. You now have more survivability thanks to tinkerer

[onyx sage]

rip vigilance

[hushed gorge]

i am dishing out so much dmg anyways bro

i was talking about the survivability

[onyx sage]

have your way

[versed summit]

Just take bloodsucker

[hushed gorge]

i mean 23-27m isnt that bad 😀

[obtuse crystal]

Honestly just go 3 piece hotshot and swap bag back tbh

[onyx sage]

i mean yeah i can just do the same thing with 3p hotshot

[hushed gorge]

ok,i ll check

[obtuse crystal]

At least it isn’t hotshot chest tbh

[onyx sage]

also you're not cracking legendary 4 man chunga with it which is realistically the only thing you really need to do for damage

[hushed gorge]

aint no way i am fighting a juggernaut with a sniper build💀

[onyx sage]

damage issue

[tulip charm]

Anyone testing new mmr damage?

[onyx sage]

asking others to test rn since i'm working

[tulip charm]

oh

[dull drum]

whats a good sniper build?

[hushed gorge]

its actually good now ,thnx guys

[onyx sage]

vigilance always king

[grizzled garnet]

Dch bodyshot counts regulus damage but doesnt activate its talent correct?

[onyx sage]

you mean dodge city

[grizzled garnet]

Oui

[onyx sage]

dodge city bodyshot (with 1+ stack) makes your pistol damage also factor in hsd, but does not count as a headshot

[grizzled garnet]

🥲

[chrome kettle]

So looking into it I see why I'd want to run it, but should I go for the perfect vigilance of "the gift" or roll standard vigilance onto another item?

[grizzled garnet]

Ill play around with my hotshot build. Try dch or foxes. Maybe even punch drunk

[grizzled garnet]

Good luck with the gift

[onyx sage]

you absolutely don't have to run the gift, you can run another brand like airaldi + normal vigilance

[hushed gorge]

hows the new upcoming auto pistol?

[obtuse crystal]

Perfect vigilance is just 1 second shorter cooldown

[grizzled garnet]

https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/1405490216768110654

[hushed gorge]

i see

[meager fog]

Who on earth wants survivability on a build that can one shot literally anything

[obtuse crystal]

Or just lose determined and then don’t need tinkerer for the preservation

[hushed gorge]

if you get outrunned sometimes,thats why 😅

[grizzled garnet]

Use decoy

[meager fog]

I made the wrong use for literally there because I was so mad. There are a couple or three enemies that you can't one shot.

But ^ that. Decoy is your friend.

[hushed gorge]

i see,but i am not losing much dmg using tinkerer mask,almost getting the same damage

[grizzled garnet]

Practice targeting your higher risk enemies. Try quickscoping. Practice positioning. Etc etc

[grizzled garnet]

I think the issue is more with preservation than tinkerers

[hushed gorge]

then what talent shall i run then ?

ranger or something?

[hazy steeple]

It's a sniper in div2, you have a fairly simple choice.

It's unfortunate, but it is the default for a reason.

[meager fog]

A full hotshot build is hitting 35m+ at full stacks, but it's all over kill.

As long as you prioritise targets properly, even the helmeted targets are easy to deal with

[onyx sage]

optimist or streamline imo. ranger doesn't really do that much

[hushed gorge]

streamline can be conditional for me if i use decoy

[onyx sage]

yeah you can use optimist if you use decoy too much

[meager fog]

HH Sniper is about prioritising targets. You only really need decoy for rushers

[onyx sage]

though on this kind of build you have less risk if you popshot often and keep enemies at bay

yeah so you only use decoy in only crazy situations

[grizzled garnet]

(Just whip out ye old regulus :3 )

[grizzled garnet]

Ye usually when i run my hotshot build i line up the crosshairs before even adsing and then only actually ads for 0.5s and repeat

[onyx sage]

yeah, popshotting is the best way to play

[hazy steeple]

100% whatever stat makes it perfect aim is always worth aiming for, mostly because blind-firing with perfect accuracy is hilarious.

[onyx sage]

stability

[hazy steeple]

yeah that.

[onyx sage]

it's so funny that blindfiring and headshotting is so consistent with enough of it

[dreamy valve]

I’m having so much fun using 1886 with Tinker and determined with rifleman. Complete spawn camp with golden bullet, one shotting everything before they even leave the doorway, even shield rushers

[hazy steeple]

How high of a factor is GB in that setup?

[dreamy valve]

I like the svd for that fact, I’m gunna test tinker with it

[hushed gorge]

the highest i could hit was 32m at max stacks

[onyx sage]

because you use m700 carbon

[grizzled garnet]

(They're using an mmr tinkerers build)

[grizzled garnet]

Mannn im only getting 24m ;-;

[hushed gorge]

it has magazine reload thats why😅

[onyx sage]

his build is pretty much minmaxed so

[grizzled garnet]

So theres a way to make blindfiring accurate af?

[hushed gorge]

how bro

[onyx sage]

you're probably already doing it, just stack weapon handling, it's the default secondary stat on hh builds anyway

[dreamy valve]

Im getting 25 mill on 1886, expertise 14

[grizzled garnet]

1886 20 mill expertise like 6?
White death 24 mill expertise like 6?

[grizzled garnet]

🙏 ill test it out tmrw

[dreamy valve]

It’s gunna be my retaliation build next season

Gunna pump it to 30

[hushed gorge]

34Million,holy moly

nah,i dont need tinkerer on sniper

[dreamy valve]

Unless they “fix” determined next season

[onyx sage]

now you see the way

i'd wager you can do a bit more taking off punch drunk for airaldi

[hushed gorge]

34million every shot, i was blind the entire time

[onyx sage]

can you show me the hsd in stat page real quick?

[hushed gorge]

wait bro

[grizzled garnet]

If youre not running tinkerer id say run a m870 with brazen for rushers

[onyx sage]

oh you have unoptimized hsd somewhere

[hushed gorge]

hmm

0.4 hsd less

[hexed steppe]

its one of the mods

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 why not try white death or is that less overall damage?

[hexed steppe]

m700 carbon is better qol mods/mag reload

[dreamy valve]

Yeah the carbon feels better to use

[onyx sage]

i don't think he's running modifiers (unless i'm wrong)

let's just take 324% for now

your awd for mmr right now is 230% + 30% + 30% = 290%, yeah you'll do more with airaldi

[hushed gorge]

that weapon hits hard but kinda slow after shooting 1 bullet

[hushed gorge]

i dont use modifiers

[onyx sage]

for first shot and cap shot

[grizzled garnet]

Fair. i guess theres little reason if youre already overkilling by like 20 mill 🥲

[onyx sage]

actually 295% awd but yeah

[grizzled garnet]

(Idk health amounts. I pulled the 20 mill number out of the air)

[onyx sage]

not 20mil but definitely by a few mil. however against chunga helmets more damage always helps (not hsd but weapon damage)

[meager fog]

You....you realise that Hotshot replenishes ammo?

[hushed gorge]

it does but the delay still stays

i was talking about the delay

[hexed steppe]

3pc wont tho 👆

[meager fog]

Fair

[grizzled garnet]

The chambering the next shot

[meager fog]

WHite Death has a higher Headshot damage than any other rifle iirc

[hushed gorge]

it hits hard,i am not denying it

[meager fog]

Which would mean you can actually use other mods, to make the weapon more stable/accurate instead of focussing on pure HSD

[dreamy valve]

I feel like you get faster kills with Carbon, been my experience

People were big on the SR-1, was it nerfed that badly?

[meager fog]

SR-1 is still the strongest of all MMRs afaik

[hexed steppe]

no

[onyx sage]

nah

[hexed steppe]

its almost matched to carbon

[hexed steppe]

@onyx sage is this still up to date
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml#gid=313498350

[hushed gorge]

37m holy moly

[onyx sage]

there's also tech to cancel delay for mmr but it doesn't negate the shot for shot recentering time

[dreamy valve]

Thought it was Nemesis

[hushed gorge]

thnx for the suggestion @onyx sage

[meager fog]

Fair enough.

ut the difference between the rifles is minimal when you're discussing things that will ALL one shot everything except helmeted enemies, even if you removed like 50% of the damage from any single one of them

[onyx sage]

yes

[grizzled garnet]

Do you know if the buolder website taked into account stuff like statuses for wicked/sadist or tinkerers?

[onyx sage]

nope

[grizzled garnet]

Show off ;-;

[meager fog]

So my personal advice for HH MMR build is, use what's comfortable

[dreamy valve]

Nemesis is like 50+ mill

[hushed gorge]

i just followed what you guys suggested🙂

[meager fog]

Every rifle will one shot enemies.

[onyx sage]

yeah there's very few cases where you absolutely have to minmax

if you're farming open world, just prioritize convenience

you want it to be fast anyway

[hexed steppe]

i been rolling with mantis recently. got off the determined band wagon

[onyx sage]

finally seeing more people run mantis makes me happy

[meager fog]

Divashion has to enter your mind occasionally.

What makes you look coolest in a group situation 😛

[grizzled garnet]

https://youtu.be/YSLySCNBwKg

Real (raucey hh 1886 grey gear solo heroic lincoln menorial run)

[onyx sage]

what a build scammer, can't even one shot a chunga thru helmet

[meager fog]

We all know Raucey, a machine

[hexed steppe]

-# click bait detected

[onyx sage]

oxi build with 7 skill tier too

[hexed steppe]

[onyx sage]

exposed.

[dreamy valve]

Hmm very nice would like to see what they used

https://youtu.be/4fsmwgGPjuY?si=16ciLGQ-HU4OUjLe

[hushed gorge]

bro trolling for sure

[meager fog]

No, just proiving that determined is broken and overpowered

[subtle bluff]

I know what there using... Doesn't help I'm blocked.

Glitched Incursion speed require a lot of prep to clear courtyard that quick. Also if you didn't know he had BLB stacks.

[subtle bluff]

It's more that HH and Determined.

[meager fog]

Wait that guy blocked you? lmao

[grizzled garnet]

If you mean 7 core has blocked you they can still view your messages. Just they need to click "show message"

[subtle bluff]

Blocked I can't leave reaction on his messages

[grizzled garnet]

If you wanna tell them is another story :3

[subtle bluff]

It's cool. I know more or less why.

[meager fog]

Because you were right? 😏

[subtle bluff]

It's my whole thing when I hate players giving new players bad info or things and I can be a butt about it but that's it.

Me typing is very blunt. I'm bilingual and have some dyslexia so sometimes it's really hard for me to express or explain myself when typing so I normally just come off blunt

[meager fog]

So...you were right 🤣

[onyx sage]

he was prefect

[meager fog]

He normally is

[subtle bluff]

Sir.... chowiiees says otherwise

[meager fog]

Can you tell me why people don't use Cold Relations more with striker builds?

Apart from the small mag size

[subtle bluff]

rpm

That's really it. Just RPM.

[meager fog]

As a back up, it just seems to slap hard when someone gets close. Does Perfect Strained really not make up for the really poor RPM?

And a reload time of just over 1s

[onyx sage]

strained isn't a frontloaded damage talent, its low rpm doesn't really make its damage frontloaded either, and the game just incentivizes frontloaded damage

[subtle bluff]

Less RPM less DPS the scaling for RPM to WD there's a number but more RPM just more DPS because of everything else.

Why are you making me attempt to explain things. LOL

[onyx sage]

even if say 2 smgs do the same mag damage, you'd still pick the one that's more frontloaded

[meager fog]

Because I don't like to see the guru down on himself.

[grizzled garnet]

Imo you dont need a backup. St elmos is enough in itself and frees up options (acs-12 🙏 )

[onyx sage]

he's been through much worse, like my bullying

[subtle bluff]

THAT ^

[meager fog]

Maybe, but still. He's like a literal god in here, and should be treated as such

[subtle bluff]

HEY noo.

Nothing like that just a guy that like to help people.

[onyx sage]

nope, his fate is consigned to mansplaining to the average player

[meager fog]

WIth a big math brain

[meager fog]

An SMG makes a better back up IMO, especially one that hits like a truck with more accuracy that the ACS. I suck with shotguns

[subtle bluff]

Other's have done the harder work. I'm just applying it for the avg player here.

SMG9!!!!

[onyx sage]

smgs have been buffed recently too and they're arguably easier to use than shotguns

[meager fog]

I just feel shotguns are too RNG based, not sure what it is but too many pellets can fly into space for no reason other than the game saying "FU"

[grizzled garnet]

I use my acs more as a tool than a damage dealing weapon

[meager fog]

Yourt recommendation sir?

[meager fog]

It's far more effective to shoot someone than hit them with the gun like a hammer....

[subtle bluff]

I just had a derpy idea for my lovebirds burn down frenzy build...

[meager fog]

And shotguns don't make good screwdrivers

[meager fog]

Btw, the favourite word was used in gen chat....

#td2-general-chat message

[onyx sage]

smg-9 non a2 variant too btw

[subtle bluff]

There are builds I rarely suggest because players need to play more before trying them.

There's a support build that I've named "The Masters of Uppies" build...

[narrow tulip]

Drip or drown type shi

[hexed steppe]

Fr. Determined just trivializes most content and it's not even enjoyable to use. No challenge. What's nice is not being locked in to one weapon because you dont want to lose determined proc.
Mantis/like glue pretty solid combo for me

[narrow tulip]

I’m running mantis/surge

[hexed steppe]

Using skills? Insync will see damage buff you skills and weapon

[narrow tulip]

Just holo and give

Revive hive

[hexed steppe]

Use weapon with damage talent then as backup weapon. Surge is for skill boosting

[narrow tulip]

I’ll prolly switch my holo to striker or cluster balls

[hexed steppe]

Well mantis and decoy *go together. I would use something like shotgun/ rifle/ar that can take advantage of the hsd you already have stacked on the build

[wicked igloo]

Should i start a 1 hit sniper build for farming CP or stick to red crit/st elmo? P

[solar sable]

one shot/hh/hhf are the best for control point farming

[lost wren]

hotshot headhunter determined

[hexed steppe]

its preference. both headhunter or crit builds clear control points well.

headhunter has the edge, but one would need to be proficient at using it for the faster clear times

[strong cave]

thats actually badass. whats the pieces?

[narrow tulip]

Rider outfit with the virtuoso cosmetic

[strong cave]

appreciate that, agent

[narrow tulip]

Can do any armor you want just when u mod the armor, change cosmetic to virtuoso

[hoary valve]

what is the best tinker dps build ?

[strong cave]

im definitely not paying 5 bucks for that (its not actually a bad price but nah not worth it to me). but i can easily make an equivalent

[narrow tulip]

Yea ik they have black boots you can find in free roam

[strong cave]

currently rn its paired with 4 pc Ongoing Directive, Ceska bag with Vigi/wicked/unstoppable force, tink mask, and a Sadist AR with either a streamlined AR or Killer AR

[narrow tulip]

Idk about the rest, but I got a bunch of fits when I had work money a few years ago

[strong cave]

pressure point works too. streamlined locks you out of skills so get the proc first and then hella damage. if you like skills, then go Sadist/Killer

[lost wren]

how good is the lvoa-c

the rifle not the lexington ar

[hexed steppe]

meh, but i am biased to only like m1a variants

what build

[bright raptor]

better than it used to be (not a literal repetitive strain injury cause to name one) but not stellar

[lost wren]

not sure honestly, just curious

[bright raptor]

like any rifle, works well with an all critical hit chance + damage build

[hexed steppe]

i would definitely try it out. it might be something that clicks with your playstyle.

if it doesnt perform well for you, look into m1a cqb. solid rifle

[lost wren]

right yeah

[hexed steppe]

rifles play well with negotiators dilemma

[lost wren]

i'm still wondering what other builds at least for pve the tinkerer can be used for, so far i've seen

1886 with determined and rifleman
striker obliterate
and ongoing directive

what else?

[hexed steppe]

any dps really

[narrow tulip]

Good 1886 build? Trying to build a cowboy loadout

[lost wren]

@narrow tulip

[narrow tulip]

What is that mask lmao

[lost wren]

tinkerer

new exotic mask

[narrow tulip]

Ahh

Best way to get?

[lost wren]

season climax mission on master difficulty, guaranteed drop when you beat the final boss

[bright raptor]

Congratulations

Now blow some minds with it

[solar sable]

HHF

If you already have DCH yes, if not... just look at its project

yup, you're not meant to use regulus all the time, only in certain situations

[obtuse crystal]

You should honestly have a m870 for like chungas and stuff tbh

[lost wren]

yeah regulus is mid against chungas

alternatively you can run this instead

for hunter's fury version

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1JyIPHwVUbwdPYFpuenjg7nk9wOmSQ9U_JjqNxNSEuT8/edit

here's also a high end version with immenence armaments

[rich lotus]

Anybody know if one of the Smart Covers kills war hounds?

[rich lotus]

Only with final measure set

[hexed steppe]

not really a bug, it happens when you have a specialization skill equipped and swap specs. you would need to be deliberate to make both slots empty. it is an easy way to ensure streamlined is always active tho 💯

[hexed steppe]

thoughts? ill be setting tinker on OD as well, but not there yet

[rich lotus]

I run sadist+pressure point double ar,for pvp n pve

[hexed steppe]

thats what ill be doing on od myself 💯 .
for basic crit nego im up in the air if i like rifle or ar more. tried ARs with strained/killer and measured/killer. im gonna run flatline/killer tomorrow sometime.
i definitely think OD is gonna be the goto for this. easy triple amp

[signal escarp]

can someone recommend some builds for a group of 3 to tackle the master manager level please?

[hexed steppe]

3x striker.
2x striker 1x headhunter

[signal escarp]

I'm running scorpio, memento with 80% protec from elites

st elmos?

[subtle bluff]

pfe doesn't help much there