td2-build-advice

[narrow tulip]

I was looking tho, would breaking point rifle/shotty build be decent?

When I get home I’ll experiment around I suppose

Ik for sure I’m going to use the ravenous, it looks great

Was about to say I’d use Lexington but the requirements to get them💀

[meager fog]

Theres no requirements to get lexington...it['s not in the game yet

[narrow tulip]

Ohhh

I saw the tweet and it was on the chart so thought it was

[glad heart]

Lexington will be back toward the later season... forget what they call it... 71 year old memory... haha

[narrow tulip]

Born great then?

I get that gun somewhat reliably

[onyx sage]

it's dogwater

[glad heart]

use a police M4... the lexington is a replacement for it...

[onyx sage]

if you have a police m4, f2000 or famas with a good talent, you can use it. it doesn't have to be named to be good

[narrow tulip]

Why is that every gun that looks like it has a good stat is dog water?

[onyx sage]

because you only look at named guns

[meager fog]

Experience

[onyx sage]

things that are good don't look good at surface level

[meager fog]

and maths

[solar sable]

I hate maffs

[subtle bluff]

I really need to save this quote....

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed in every build.

[glad heart]

I don't use the math. Do the bad guys die before I do... all good

[narrow tulip]

I think that’s my main problem is that I’m trying to put an exotic in everything when I need to focus on getting crit chance and damage up and just doing reliable damage

[onyx sage]

yeah don't fall in the shiny trap

[narrow tulip]

Too late

[narrow tulip]

A. Good talents for m4,
B. Is breaking point a good set
C. Airport raid is most viable for ravenous right?

[meager fog]

A: Strained

and Damage to target out of cover for 3rd attribute

[onyx sage]

ravenous is from iron horse, not dark hours

[subtle bluff]

From everything you said you want a OD Rifle build..

[onyx sage]

breaking point 4p is not a good set, the 3p or 2p are sometimes used in rifle builds but aren't that worth using over high end

[meager fog]

He was talkming about a DPS build earlier, think he's flitting betweeen conversations lol

[strong cave]

at that rate just take my 3 piece zwia build with fox's kneepads and contractors gloves

[onyx sage]

ye

[strong cave]

hell, even ravenous works really well on it. and thats a really niche gun

[narrow tulip]

Looking for something that I can get to cover, pop up, demolish 1-2 guys, and move again

Tbh I think I should prolly stop trying to make a build, and just look for a premade one that’s fits my needs lol

How niche is ravenous?

Also what does the colors mean on the build chart?

[meager fog]

That describes pretty much any DPS or HH build

[onyx sage]

i think you just want a hh build yeah

red is damage, yellow is utility

[narrow tulip]

What’s the hh build?

[meager fog]

headhunter

Permanent headshots without even aiming, no need to even move

[subtle bluff]

I already said this... He just needs to play a lil

If he's still new he should grinding CD anyways and getting his library maxed

[narrow tulip]

Library is almost maxed lol is hh not in the chart yet?

Maxed more from random shit in the free world then cd

[patent fossil]

Headhunter is a chest talent

[meager fog]

Hot shot is the build I believe in thje spreadsheet

[patent fossil]

'Sniper setups'

[subtle bluff]

One day once I finish this how dmg work infographic and updating both guides. I'll transfer and make a more mobile friendly build hub

[narrow tulip]

Would hh slot into hb?

[solar sable]

no

[narrow tulip]

Alr

Once I get home I’ll get to work and let yall know

[solar bear]

whats the best way to get into build craft with the division?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc

[fading escarp]

just managed to craft this chest piece and i was planning on upgrading the hell out of it but i was curious what talent i should put on the chest?

[subtle bluff]

Not much context..

Again no context.

[meager fog]

You become immune to Backfire bleed after 3 reloads anyway

[fading escarp]

the chest piece was meant to be used for DZ, wanted something to stay off the enemy radar when they pulse

[subtle bluff]

Seeee context too important!

[faint dagger]

Anyone with eagle build to share (PvP)

[subtle bluff]

Try to #td2-pvp-discussions quicker replies there.

[narrow tulip]

Is regulus HH close to good?

[silk wadi]

Can you hit the head without determined? :D

[narrow tulip]

i’m just trying to find a good rifle build

[solar sable]

Regulus HH is meant to be ran for close combat or spawn kill large amounts of enemies, as they get disoriented AFAIK

[hearty owl]

When people come here asking what the “best” build is, they usually end up receiving feedback for builds that are most convenient and easy to put together. The real answer to that question is Regulus HH though. It’s just that it requires you to hit headshots and most people cannot consistently do that :).

[shy willow]

Its difficult to run but has a super high skill ceiling and is very effective

[subtle bluff]

I've said like 3 times already OD

Something like this.

[narrow tulip]

Sorry thanks

[faint dagger]

someone know if concussion perk stack at each shot ?

[shy willow]

It doesn't stack it just procs again

[hushed gorge]

does anyone use Handbusket determined build?

how does it perform

[subtle bluff]

Not better than what we already have

[solar sable]

I'd say it's "okay"

[narrow tulip]

Holy jeez just hit a 20 mil headshot on a guy with the dodge city/prophet

[narrow tulip]

Damn

Is there a tier list of exotics or do I just ask?

[subtle bluff]

not really but I've already said my piece to that

[shy willow]

There's a handful of top tier ones a couple complete trash ones and the rest are mid/situational

[narrow tulip]

Oxpecker?

[shy willow]

Fun gun but shoots peas

[narrow tulip]

I see

I went to the shooting range and saw a spinning red circle and was so confused for a sec

[narrow tulip]

How do I get multiple mods on the mask? It only lets me put 1

[narrow tulip]

Oh im an idiot

[narrow tulip]

Does it matter if it’s a m1a socom or does it have to be m1a cqb

[subtle bluff]

Kind of. The idea is you can use any rifle.

just have sadist on it. try them all out.

[peak crest]

is it possible to make A good build LMG with Strikers and Patriot? if you get what I'm stepping in stacks and A big mag.

[subtle bluff]

TP sucks. A lot.

[hazy steeple]

@peak crest You can't really combine 2 different gearsets together at once.

[narrow tulip]

Current build. I’m too tired to grind anymore. I hen I wake up I’ll check the news and fix it

[subtle bluff]

Follow this guide if you’re that new. Then go back to OD build I already posted for you.

[grizzled garnet]

Just wait until the harvest or regulus

[hot prawn]

I'm trying to farm Pestilence and as a new player i kinda only want rolls with crit damage or best in slot. Is Health damage good enough or is it as good as getting like a crit damage roll? 😄

[versed summit]

It's ok, You really want CHC, or potentially DTA for specific scenarios.

[hot prawn]

Ok ok, yeah damage to armor is nice too. I wanted it for a dark zone build 😄

[versed summit]

yeah Damage to Health sucks for that

[hot prawn]

Got it thanks!

[unkempt thunder]

Bro, whats goods builds for legendaty difficulty? Idgaf about running solo or else. I need for the builds that thinks suit you the best

[patent fossil]

Meta Striker, Negotiators, headhunter, foam builds all work well in legendary. See the pinned spreadsheet for full build guides.

[unkempt thunder]

[trim abyss]

does anyone have a link to a good strikers build? the one in the pinned messages is from last year. Or is that one still viable?

[median knot]

Its been about a year, maybe 2 since i last played. Ive been searching for info on meta builds, but there is so much info out there its hard to filter what is good and whats not.

What are good builds nowadays? When i quit playing i had a full striker Elmo build completely maxed. Is it still viable as an allround build?

[glad heart]

It is still viable

[glad heart]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1509999994#gid=1509999994

And striker with elmo is still viable... I run striker/ceska obliterate/memento/elmo most of the time

[median knot]

@glad heart Thnx. I think im running coyotes and fox prayer. Ill have a looksy at obliterate/momento.

I think my Elmo gold build is memento/ceska obliterate though. Need to look. Thnx for the info.

[subtle bluff]

Pinned messages > Gdoc > Build hub

[meager fog]

Its literally the best available

[hazy steeple]

PSA: The builds in the spreadsheet are updated as needed, the meta hasn't really shifted in that time.

AFAIK they're all current, if any are out of date please let me know.

[trim abyss]

awesome ty!

[stark flicker]

is the converted smg-9 a2 worth running compared to the converted smg-9 replica?

[shy willow]

You get more mod slots with the former which makes it pretty valuable

[median knot]

I see the striker build with a Police M4. Is that better than an Elmo nowadays?

[meager fog]

Police M4 is mathematically the strongest AR.

However, Elmos is the most used.

The shock rounds drag enemies from cover, making Dttooc even stronger.

[hazy steeple]

Elmo also has the added benefit of being pre-packaged good, requiring less RNG and effort to make decent.

[median knot]

Dps wise not a big difference? I still have a maxed Elmo.

[meager fog]

DPS Police M4 wins.

Taking all game mechanics into account, Elmos wins

[median knot]

I understand that. But is the dps from the M4 significantly more? Or marginally?

[hazy steeple]

Elmo wins purely by the fact that you can make sesame street puns whilst you blast BT.

[meager fog]

Its marginal

Probably talking less than 50k per hit at max stacks on a DPS set up.

[sudden cloak]

Pretty sure I have 1 of my builds saved as Elmo's world

[unreal wagon]

Almost level 40. What should i be doing once i hit 40 to gear up?

[tropic solar]

i would say farm out a decent striker set first and then go from there

donate all your max rolls to the library, junk to expertise

then you can start keeping and building high-end gear you like with attributes from your library as you build it

[stable walrus]

I just hit level 40 and farmed for my first few gear - I am more of a Armor + skill kinda person so I have combos of Hunter's fury and Lengmo. Any suggestions for me?

Also I currently have global difficulty on Hard and sometimes play control points and few missions on Challenging

[tropic solar]

take a look at the spreadsheet and target farm a gearset that you think applies to you, then do other content with that set

id give the same advice about the library/expertise as the other guy above you

[stable walrus]

Oh ok, and where can I find that spreadsheet?

[tropic solar]

pinned messages

[stable walrus]

thanks!

[tropic solar]

if you have questions about the spreadsheet, i can help you

[stable walrus]

Appreciate the help, shall get back if any needed

[stable walrus]

went through the spreadsheet, makes sense why many of the Hunter's fury sets dropped with weapon core attributes, had to spend quite the time at the recal station to change them into armour. I was after the Armor and health on kill perks. Also for the Lengmo, it gives 30% LMG damage which I also benefit from cuz I use an LMG

[tropic solar]

sure, thats fine. i think when youre newer to a game, its a good thing to just experiment with stuff that you like even if its not a setup that most people would consider good. theres also some build guides on the hub tab of the sheet if you want to skim those and see how stuff that you want to use might be built

like hunters fury does not cater to lmg users for example, but other gearsets/brandsets do

[stable walrus]

Yeah I get you, definitely shall look into those. 8 player raids look cool but ik i'd get decimated if i tried lol so yeah

[tropic solar]

yeah raids are not matchmade and they require comms/roles, so thatll be way down the line.

i havent done those either

[trim abyss]

for turret/drone builds, im trying to understand how 3 piece empress is better than 2 piece empress with a waveform holster?

[worn imp]

Does skill damage make fire DoT deal more damage if you applied the fire through a skill?

[subtle bluff]

I posted a guide for you hit 40 if you search my name.

[subtle bluff]

Not as much as status effect.

[worn imp]

is the Set's backpack or chestpiece obligatory when doing a fire EP build?

[subtle bluff]

Read the talents.

[worn imp]

i did

im just thinking whether or not theres a better talent and set bonus option from a high end piece than the EP chest for example

[urban latch]

Skill damage and status effect increase damage the same amount, but status effects also increase the duration of the status so you'd get more damage per burn

[subtle bluff]

You reading the backpack talent for EP?

[worn imp]

i know i want the backpack one

[subtle bluff]

To note EP burn isn't great on heroic groups.

[worn imp]

just the chest im not sure about since u can get a chosen talent from high end chest

[worn imp]

uhh how about oxidizer stuff then?

[subtle bluff]

Not a status effect.

[worn imp]

fine cause i want a nice skill build that is legendary viable

[onyx sage]

in legendary you use foam eclipse

you don't expect to do damage with status in legendary, it's just not enough

[worn imp]

for now ive been running this Arty Turret/capacitator DPS build. all the red attributes are mostly CritChance and 3 CritDMG mods

I hit 1K million dmg on average in Legendary missions

[subtle bluff]

1k million....

[worn imp]

billion whatevs

I want a good alternative skill DPS build to this one since im getting a bit burned out on playing Arty build.

[onyx sage]

you would expect it to show negative or have low millions (because of overflow) for good damage

[worn imp]

I wanna use skills that actually require some kind of thought to use and not just pop and forget. skills like fire/oxidizer, hive, sticky, seeker mine, turret, etc

[onyx sage]

mortar turret is probably what you want

[worn imp]

.

[onyx sage]

that means there's not much else

[worn imp]

burned out on mortar turret

[onyx sage]

we already went over this

[worn imp]

what are the best status effect builds then since EP burn isnt adequate for legendary

[onyx sage]

there's no status effect build that does good damage on legendary, on legendary you just focus on foaming

if you don't accept this as true then there's no further advice we can give

[worn imp]

hence exactly why i was trying to do EP burn but apparently its not very good as ive read

isnt there some crazy fire turret shenanigans one can do?

[hearty owl]

YES

ORTIZ FIRE TURRET BUILD

[worn imp]

hmmm is that legendary viable?

[onyx sage]

exuro builds do work in legendary but it's not the fire damage that makes it strong, it's the amp it gives to weapon damage, but even then it's limited by its massive cooldown

[hearty owl]

If @onyx sage in in your group it works yes

[worn imp]

cause it sounds fun

[onyx sage]

no, i will not carry an exuro user

[hearty owl]

wtf man…

[onyx sage]

by all accounts it's not legendary viable, even if you force it in you'd rather just foam people and let the dps clean up

[worn imp]

bruh... okay then in terms of skill CC builds that aren't foam launcher. Is there other viable skill builds in this game?

i dont particularly need to be a skill dps guy

[onyx sage]

a lot of them are viable, but you're asking about legendary, which is intended to gatekeep a lot of builds

[worn imp]

i just want the skills i use to be somewhat not braindead like popping a drone

fine then what about heroic with a shit ton of modifiers?

[subtle bluff]

A good support does a lot in leggo.

[onyx sage]

then all of them will work on heroic, with or without modifiers

like literally anything will work on heroic

[worn imp]

is there a CC/support skill build? i already always run heal hive

[subtle bluff]

There no prefect build.

[hearty owl]

It works in a organized group with 3 other DPS players (i.e not in random mm)

[onyx sage]

chow you need to fix your autocorrect to use "perfect" some day...

[subtle bluff]

Really if you're saying you don't want a brain dead gameplay you should learn how to build it.

[worn imp]

what are u referring to?

[hearty owl]

The support CC on Legendary

[subtle bluff]

It's me issue tho.

[worn imp]

i know i am just here really for suggestions then i look at all the sets and make a decision of what to aim for and build it a bit myself

[worn imp]

what would that look like, build wise?

and is there a version of it that isnt foam launcher or full heal build?

[subtle bluff]

But also depending on the team sometimes EP works sometimes it doesn't.

You can use foam on FI too.

[worn imp]

whats generally the strongest EP build setup then?

[onyx sage]

fire and foam

they're 2 separate setups, depends on which you want to do

[worn imp]

yeah?

[onyx sage]

foam eclipse is the only recommended one for legendary, because foam is the most busted status in there besides emp

[worn imp]

whats the stinger hive good for?

keeping the enemies preoccupied with the bees? xd

[onyx sage]

it just makes them bleed. idk i wouldn't use it. i need to ask someone to make a new build pic

nvm he updated it

[worn imp]

can you do a fire/emp EP build?

[onyx sage]

oh wait you're talking about eclipse fire. eh i'd use fire sticky and firestarter chem

[onyx sage]

i really don't want to repeat myself.

if you're asking about legendary, forget about fire

[hearty owl]

Improvised gloves in the big 25

[worn imp]

why not electrique gloves instead?

[sudden cloak]

For the extra skill haste mod I'd assume

[worn imp]

is that better than the straight up extra status stat from 1 piece of electrique tho?

[onyx sage]

you can use that too, improvised just allows for more haste and is usually the bottleneck. unlike popular belief more status duration doesn't really help here

[worn imp]

status effect is more than just duration tho so... its damage as well

[onyx sage]

well in legendary you're not doing status damage so

[worn imp]

okay

[onyx sage]

why do you keep forgetting this lol

[hearty owl]

UNPOPULAR OPINION: if you need more haste on that build then you are WASTING your chems cause there is no scenario where you are dumping all 7-8 charges that quickly 😭

[tropic solar]

man i be slanging those oxidizers when i got em. they stack

[worn imp]

u bring that into legendaries?

[tropic solar]

no lol, just commenting on chems

[worn imp]

ah

[hearty owl]

yeah we are not talking about oxidizers

[tropic solar]

i am not a leg caliber player

[worn imp]

Is perfect perpetuation on the evelasting gaze rifle worth running for an EP fire build?

[hearty owl]

You don’t need to waste a slot on that useless weapon. Look at the build pic sent earier, there is perpetuation on the pistol

Even for the fire build its just not worth running

On the fire setup you want a shotgun since the Damage to Armor affects your fire damage

Probably with insync on it

[worn imp]

@hearty owl What is generally stronger, EP fire build or Exuro?

[hearty owl]

EP fire as much as I hate to say it 😔

[worn imp]

I know u suggested exuro as a candidate before so wanted to ask what u think

[worn imp]

i feel ya bro exuro sounds fun af!

[hearty owl]

I still love my Exuro setup and will continue bringing it to every raid 😃

[worn imp]

[hearty owl]

Haven’t been kicked yet 😎

[worn imp]

u think the difference in efficiency is like staggeringly large or just slightly notable

cause i might just try to go for an exuro setup

[hearty owl]

I guess the real obstacle with Exuro is the upkeep of the turret. The cooldown is annoying so you pretty much wanna pick it up always before the duration is up or when an encounter is over so that it refunds some of the cooldown

EP you can manage your fire chems so it’s just a lot more consistent. Although most people just end up spamming it and have no charges

When Exuro is active tho it’s arguably better than fire chems and let’s you actually shoot your weapon

[worn imp]

exuro sounds epic im doing it

[hearty owl]

The EP bag on the fire setup is also very strong

[worn imp]

🔥

[hearty owl]

🫡

[worn imp]

See u around Agent, thx for the advice 🫡

[hearty owl]

Just run the Exuro bag and chest whatever you want. The chest from the set is kinda useless ngl

[azure wasp]

Is there a website that has no bs layout for builds or must I endure the YouTube videos to find one?

[patent fossil]

The pinned spreadsheet has good build guides

[azure wasp]

Recently came from diablo 4 and that community uses https://mobalytics.gg/diablo-4

I don’t have a computer rn so those are painful on my phone.

[patent fossil]

YouTube is so full of clickbait builds that it's hard to find the actual to ones

[azure wasp]

But thanks I’ll get a hold of a computer and use the build sheet.

[narrow tulip]

What’s the Elmo stats I want

I have ar damage and crit hit chance

[subtle bluff]

Weapons is always DTTooC

[narrow tulip]

Almost there

[grizzled garnet]

Just optimize from there. Iirc you can do that

[narrow tulip]

I got it maxed

[worn imp]

What is highest DPS rifle with boomerang for a CD dps build?

[subtle bluff]

OD build does more.

[pliant pelican]

so i got the new cataclyst. mask on my first run, and were thinking what builds are good for this said mask, and if there is any good ones. did heard fire is nice?

[glad heart]

Catalyst very underwhelming. There is a detailed analysis (I don't have a link) that proves it is not that good. Coyotes is better for DPS and Vile is better for Status. It is memed with OD, but OD does more damage with Coyote. Congrats on getting it first run. It is a good wall hanger

[pliant pelican]

i did also try this. not sure if build is. good to go.

[glad heart]

I cannot speak to that build....

[hexed steppe]

need to use a shotgun if planning on proccing opportunistic

[pliant pelican]

ah.

• is chestpiece Collector a new item? just looted it

[hexed steppe]

not new. released a few seasons ago

[pliant pelican]

oh. never seen it before. huh

[hexed steppe]

its a nice exo component

[pliant pelican]

is youtube a way to go for builds. or nah, bc i did try to look up catclyst mask. and few uses ongoin directive / burn / bleed

[shy willow]

Change it so it isn't restricted to regenerate grenades only if you have 2 left and we're cooking

[hexed steppe]

wasnt the sheet pinned in this channel already suggested earlier?

[pliant pelican]

didnt see one. about cata at least.

[hexed steppe]

its probably never making it into the build guides if it isnt a great piece

[shy willow]

On paper it looked so loaded it's a shame

[hexed steppe]

its outclassed by other items

[pliant pelican]

its in the list of gear. i aint the best on figuring out google docs either prob is a build somewhere

[hexed steppe]

the sheet will be your best source of solid builds. youtube will give you the gimmicks and the "this makes you a god" type builds

hub (builds) is the tab you are looking for

[pliant pelican]

only issue is. idk what the mask is marked under like oxy build. is it blue cores / hybrid.

[hexed steppe]

its not under any build afaik. its a status based mask so would be used with status based builds. so like fire/emp/cc type builds

[pliant pelican]

welp i found my other build. apparently itr's called F1 healer build

[shy willow]

I don't think catalyst is anywhere on build sheet

[pliant pelican]

sadge

[shy willow]

It's listed for information but no build recommendations just ain't that good

[pliant pelican]

this is somewhat the build the yte talking about, which didnt need any expertise to perform good.

[hexed steppe]

coyote is better there... but go try it, od is a good setup

there is also a carnage lmg available at the cd vendor this week, perfect sadist

doesnt catalyst also require you to be cqb?

[onyx sage]

yes

it's not really a good mask, you can try it if you wanna have fun with it but it's not rocking anyone's boat

[dreamy valve]

This guy had an interesting bluecore build. Went behind cover in the middle of the firefights and just stood still while shotgunning everything throughout the whole run. Pretty tanky without using a shield, always had alot of bonus armor too

[dreamy valve]

I think they could have soloed Legendary Manning very slowly, but it might have worked

[subtle bluff]

PFE builds have been around for awhile. The issue they have is with Tanks and Dogs.

[subtle bluff]

PvP PvE?

To note: Strikes is just meta and is not overrate just in players that don't just want to be different. It's the only gearset that clear all levels content.

For PvE BH does really good with HSD but if things don't have heads it really sucks for it.
Going for CHC/CHD it doesn't come with anything CHC/CHD making you have to stats into CHC which loses out on DPS overall.

Also Armor Regen isn't good PvE

Tanks, Dogs and Heavys do not have heads

or are you talking about Armor Regen?

Issue with being anything like a tank in Div2 is that bullets hurt a lot and there are a lot of them coming at you. If you don't clear out guys quick enough you will get overran.

Your welcome to do it since almost anything is viable in solo we just do not recomemnd using regen in PvE.

IMO this is just quicker and more fun unalive guys quick.

This is strikers but can be done on HF just as well and safer.

[strong cave]

@tight wedge This applies to PVP too. The more damage you take, the worse off you'll be. Regen would be decent for PvP but in PvE, it's just not worth taking. Chow is right on this one as well, not every enemy has a head. But every enemy can take a crit hit. Crit bighorn can work, I've used it before, but you have to make up a metric fk ton of crit just to achieve optimal chc %

I typically go high end if I wanna run crit bighorn and I leave the DPS crit to striker with normal AR's or Elmo/EB

[meager fog]

This is one of a few games where focusing on surviving rather than killing is actively going to make the game harder for you.

The 10% AoK from Gunner spec is more than enough for most situations tbh

[sudden cloak]

Typically I don't run anymore more then 2 blue cores for open world myself, 4 for legendary content

[meager fog]

All red = enemies dead

Sometimes I even use Glass cannon if I'm feeling extra fruity 🤣

[sudden cloak]

I don't run full reds unless I'm with a group that knows what they're doing

[meager fog]

Full red solo heroic 3/4 directives depending how much I want to concentrate.

Lego I only do with clan mates who have specific roles lol

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, fair enough there

[onyx sage]

why did he leave...

[smoky latch]

Cuz someone said sth he didn't like to hear I guess. 'But my favourite YouTuber said Bighorn is good in PvE' kinda thing

[strong cave]

this is why people shouldnt come to build advice if they only want to hear what they want to hear. wouldnt be surprised if it was a KVD recommendation for using Bighorn for PVE

[onyx sage]

if one expects good advice, do not expect it to be sugarcoated at the same time

[civic turret]

If I remember correctly Tinkerer specifically doesn't work with named items because they have perfect talents---Lexington doesn't have a perfect talent despite being a named item. Is it still possible to run Lexington with Tinkerer to take advantage of the second perk?

I haven't played much since Brooklyn dropped so I don't know if they changed it from the PTR or not.

[onyx sage]

no one knows until we can verify when it releases tomorrow

[civic turret]

Fair enough.

I didn't know if they announced any changes over the course of the season.

[onyx sage]

they said they were looking into the possible issue of it working with named items that don't have perfect talents

that's all we've heard, we don't know if they are going to do something about it yet

[meager fog]

No idea, don't see that what I said was wrong lol.

And he had the idea that Strikers is "overrated"

[onyx sage]

it's a common sentiment from people who haven't done hard content enough

i don't blame them for leaving this server with that lol

[meager fog]

Unless he mistook overrated for overused...in which case he would probably be correct but it's overused for a reason lol

[onyx sage]

if he meant overrated in that "it's not as effective as other stuff" then he's fighting too squishy mobs for striker stacks to matter, if he meant overused then... idk we give good advice here and striker works for everyone, the only reason one would deviate is if they're conscious about it. why ask for advice expecting to hear what you want to hear. weird thing to leave the server for

[smoky latch]

All of 'em have one of those builds, mostly paired with Memento and Striker's...

Then they add each a different piece and claim dibs on 'their build'...

[strong cave]

I'd assume it means no named items entirely. This includes Named weapons without perfect talents. However, fingers crossed, we can pair Lexington with Killer and Streamlined due to bugs 🙏

[strong cave]

I feel called out bc guess what I'm running RN with bighorn 💀💀💀

[civic turret]

I think that was the case in the PTR so we'll see if that holds up or not.

[strong cave]

The proper term for that is... "Snowflake"

Snow might be coming to DC after all 😂 devs teased it

[meager fog]

Some people want to reinvent the wheel...not realising that within a few days of new equipment and content being released it's already been relentlessly tested against old stuff

[onyx sage]

everyone wants to discover the "new meta"

[strong cave]

Or being relentlessly changed each season

[onyx sage]

if everything is meta... nothing is meta

[strong cave]

If only that concept applied to PVP. Tired of the Regen, skill and umbra builds

[meager fog]

Pvp should work like descent. Can only wear what you pick up in the DZ 🤣

[sudden cloak]

That'd be like survival from div1, which I'm not saying no to that

[strong cave]

Exactly. We all hope for that

Hope: 📈📈📈📈📈📈

Reality: 📉📉📉📉📉

[meager fog]

Would be alot better having to farm a build instead of just entering DZ with an uber PVP build

[strong cave]

If they'd ban cheaters and get rid of expertise in non-invaded DZ maybe life would be perfect. Highly doubt. I tell myself that to cope so I don't crash out

[lost wren]

why the difference between invaded and non-invaded?

[patent fossil]

Invaded missions have a slightly different layout and story, and you're fighting black tusk instead of the original faction

[snow jackal]

If I want a tanky status build what should I look for? is there better than perfect creeping death + scorpio? im still a bit new

[cerulean smelt]

think the only difference on perfect creeping death is a few second cool down and maybe a little more range?

[snow jackal]

yeah, should I go for smth else?

[cerulean smelt]

if you want tanky, memento backpack is up there for being pretty tanky

[dreamy valve]

Memento is even more S tier this season

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this tanky season

[sudden cloak]

You can pretty much slap memento on just about any build and it'd work

[hexed steppe]

define tanky status build

[snow jackal]

I wanna use scorpio and the courier backpack + chestplate that has perfect vanguard (idk if it's good) but I also wanna not die

[hexed steppe]

dont go courier. go with opportunistic

[subtle bluff]

Status Effect that don't have a direct scaling aren't that good. IE scaling w/Skill Teirs

[hexed steppe]

The setup

[hexed steppe]

youre probably gonna die if you dont have strength in the build. build something like ongoing directive. you and team get bleed ammo that amps damage. its based on status and synergizes with scorpio and status skills

[snow jackal]

perfect I'll look into it and try it out thanks :)

[cerulean smelt]

tankyish builds won't do much damage in general and only 1 tank build is really needed for Iron Horse Raid

[meager fog]

A general advice I give to most people.

Survivability in Div 2 is mostly a noob trap.

More often than not, trying to be a "tank" will result in your death. There are far too many bullets hitting you at once to tank anything in this game.

You'll just make the game harder for yourself.

KIlling enemies fast = Less deaths.

[subtle bluff]

That.
It’s a balance. You need to be able to take guys off the field. The slower you are at the high possibility you will be flanked or overran.
You can get away with a lot in solo play.

[meager fog]

All red = Enemies dead.

Too much blue = You're dead too

[subtle bluff]

I tried out a new build idea for BH but the same issue applies to it that the normally applies to it.

[cerulean smelt]

oh?

[meager fog]

@hexed steppe

[subtle bluff]

HF HSD Intim/Memento. Chunga and things with helmets sucks. Doing up to 2-3 mill a HSD is cool with all stacks/buffs but helmets, Chunga’s, things without heads it still sucks.

HHF is better by all means.

[cerulean smelt]

ah, bummer. would've been nice to hear of a newbuild

[subtle bluff]

Solo play you can do so much that works but builds that scale into group play is a different story

[subtle bluff]

PvE

You need to give context for this btw for others.

Good mainly is PvE support and another version is good for solo PvE under 2 player heroic

[hexed steppe]

yes

follow the build guides for optimal setups

[shrewd burrow]

Hey all. I'm doing the start to a ongoing directive/status effect build with Iron Lung. What all stats should I focus on when rolling gear? I heard status effect stat was kinda pointless, and that the build is mostly just for the hollow point rounds. I also want to get the catalyst mask at some point, gotta run the DLC first.

[stark flicker]

chc and chd

also I'd swap the hive for emp jammer in solo play

without a team dogs are basically impossible to beat above hard difficulty

[shrewd burrow]

@stark flicker yea I heard emp jammer was good for mechanical enemies. My goal was to get the build together, then grind more for good rolls. The tick dmg from Vile seems low, so I want to swap it out to catalyst to stay on theme and boost weapon damage.

[subtle bluff]

Issue with this idea is that DOTs that can’t scale it’s base stats is not worth to do.

You’re close to another version that works better than this.

[stark flicker]

tbh I'd swap the backpack for ninjabike and run deathgrips plus emperor's guard

it's a better backpack than od the extra bleed isn't worth it

[subtle bluff]

Well yes and no to that..

The base of the build isn’t focused here.

You have some of the right ideas both of you.

[shrewd burrow]

Overall I wanted to keep a status effect theme, the workings of it don't matter as much. I definitely belive I can do it better, I also don't like how the vile mask dosent allow armor/weapon main stat.

[stark flicker]

the vile was designed with hard status skill builds in mind

[shrewd burrow]

@stark flicker yea it was the start of my idea to build this. I grinded for the iron lung, and got OD. Originally was gonna use my Pestilence til I learned it wasn't a status effect.

[subtle bluff]

@shrewd burrow Here’s a build that- @shy willow use this more.
Edit: -works better than what you’re using

[shy willow]

Yoo triple tick

[subtle bluff]

Letting you explain it if he has questions.

[shrewd burrow]

@shy willow for the most part I have all of that to try it out. Though the Pestilence I thought didn't work with status? What pops the OD status for hollow point?

[shy willow]

The setup chow linked uses banshee pulse, I use jammer

[subtle bluff]

I also have riot foam

[shy willow]

Just kick it off with a skill and you get basically infinite uptime

[shrewd burrow]

Ah so the skill pops the OD, then from then on OD bleed pops itself for the most part?

[subtle bluff]

Skills start the Status Effect just need to kill that one guys afterwards ya the bleed is it’s own Status Effect.

[urban latch]

"really well" us a vast overstatement

[shrewd burrow]

Gotcha, thanks for the build idea.

[shy willow]

It looks complete garbage but it's pretty workable

[urban latch]

If you want a status build just make an eclipse build. Either foam or fire. Both are so much more effective. OD really is not a status build

[honest moss]

Why SE over CHD rolls specifically if i may ask?

[shy willow]

Idea on triple tick is to maximise ticks

[urban latch]

Triple 0s is still 0

[honest moss]

Just noticed the bag too, thanks for clarifying.

[shy willow]

Bleed and vile tick for about 200k together, pesti ticks for 700k, bullet damage is about 200k

[urban latch]

but keep in mind thats a tick every half second, so thats like an rpm of 120

[subtle bluff]

Don’t forget that the bleed and vile dot is 3 times a sec and pesti is a DPS.

[urban latch]

so its really not that impressive

[subtle bluff]

EP burn is more fun.

Get some of the pyrotechnics out of you. 👹

[echo quiver]

is there a decent striker build thats dps and tank for solo?

think i need to grind better pieces but the one im running now is mostly dps

with crit damage

[subtle bluff]

You don't tank Div2.

[solar sable]

You either have one or the other, there's no in between

but, you can just get new striker pieces and recal them blue cores

[hazy steeple]

Well, HB can tank a little.

but overall yeah div2 is more about smart positioning, over taking damage out in the open.

[echo quiver]

ah i see

i mostly run solo right now. just trying to find a good build to run on Heroic. ive been on Challenger for a little bit now and a lot saved up.

[worn elbow]

Striker or heartbreaker or ongoing directive easy to build and good in for heroic

[echo quiver]

ok. im running a striker build. not sure how well its optimized at the moment

[worn elbow]

Not bad it takes time to get the build ready

Challenging is not that bad either to stay on some prefer challenging over heroic and sometimes the opposite chose what difficulty your comfortable with for now and when you got the build at 100% you can do heroic

[echo quiver]

ah ok. i appreciate that input. im almost done finishing the Library. im using 4 Striker pieces with Weapon Damage and mostly Crit Damage. Coyoti mask. St Elmo. think i need a different Specialization and 2nd weapon

[worn elbow]

Use gunner spec for striker

[echo quiver]

is that one you have to unlock?

[worn elbow]

Technician and firewall and gunner all can unlocked by doing there challenges or be bought

Here’s a old pic of my striker build still using the same setup but for weapons I do use ouros and iron lung and Elmo’s and chameleon and eb sometimes

[echo quiver]

ah ok. yea, mines similar in terms of the pieces. not sure about the body armor yet. but im pretty much running everything else

[worn elbow]

And here’s my heartbreaker build if you want that too

[meager fog]

Just learn positioning and cover use. Strikers is capable of clearing anything.

[worn elbow]

The technician gives a laser attachment that when you aim you pulse the enemies and with that you get the free armor bonus from heartbreaker

Heartbreaker works on pulsed enemies but you can do it without the laser attachment too by doing headshots

[echo quiver]

best weapon combo?

[hazy steeple]

@echo quiver It all depends on the build, and even so this isn't really a game for "best", a lot can work in each case.

[worn elbow]

A lot of weapons can work with strike and heartbreaker but I went with carbine 7 with killer talent for heartbreaker

Strikers I use iron lung Elmo’s ouros smg eb sometimes backfire can work with it too chameleon

[scenic briar]

for both gear sets, you would ideally use a gun with a high rate of fire, so you can ramp up your damage faster

[meager fog]

ACS stacks strikers hella fast.

[scenic briar]

ACS builds stacks fast, but also requires you to get in close. works okay for HB since you'll quickly get a ton of bonus armor, but could be risky for a Striker build. not impossible, but definitely requires smarter play

[echo quiver]

what would be good to run with St Elmo?

an SMG?

[solar sable]

SMGs or an ACS-12 with Brazen, not for stacking but to kill fast in close encounters
smgs like: smg-9 or tac vector

[narrow tulip]

I’m following the strikers build and it says I can use sharpshooter. Is there a rifle/shotgun or rifle/ assault rifle mix I can use?

[solar sable]

brotha uhhhh

[worn elbow]

What if you use 2 reds and 3 blues and memento how will that work?

With memento you get 3 red cores and 4 blues

[subtle bluff]

You'll do some more dmg.

[subtle bluff]

That doesn't tank like he's asking for.

[worn elbow]

Thanks for the info

[thorny solstice]

tank that does dps...yeah

[subtle bluff]

Here's the guide. There's more guides in the Pinned Messages.

[subtle bluff]

It does DPS and has more survival it cannot tank for anything but a short amount of time even less when you get to heroic and above.

[thorny solstice]

Thats main heroic build ive played with and im literally 9 out of 10 missions top1 damage dealt and damage taken...
5 blue cores, memento stacks gives insane bonus armor and regen(if you hit your shots and kill stuff), tier6 shield...

[subtle bluff]

It's is not a tank is my point. Yes it's strong for a reason.

[thorny solstice]

Striker, dps and tank in one sentence

[subtle bluff]

You can survival a lot. Not a tank by any means.

In your eyes sure but for new players they will say otherwise.

[worn elbow]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

going in with RMM it is not hard to get to top of damage dealt.
I did top dmg 4man leggo tidal and almost kills on a non strikers and means nothing.

[charred fractal]

Wrong group my bad

Speed run not normal

[onyx sage]

holy shit teach me

[charred fractal]

What's there to teach?

[subtle bluff]

trollin me

Since I'll never do that again.

[charred fractal]

Ah ok

Bus run?

[subtle bluff]

That's a lie I didn't record that run.

No to proof a point.

That was RMM run with refactor built a different way.

[onyx sage]

a lot to teach me. i haven't run legendary that much

[charred fractal]

I wasn't implying anything just asking.

[subtle bluff]

I know you were. I was just speaking on myself.

[thorny solstice]

heroic vs leg... never running that build on leg. Going off rails here. OP asked striker, dps and tank, i shared my opinion about that. Not gonna compare d-s here today

[subtle bluff]

...... I'm just gonna repeat myself over and over again with you.

[meager fog]

By definition there's not really such a thing as a "DPS and Tank"

You sacrifice one for the other.

[last stream]

So we all know Tinkerer is coming out—do you think the Streamline and Boomerang talents would be good? What do you guys think?

[subtle bluff]

Never said your build was bad or anything. Just that you are misinform someone that it's something that it's not.

[devout iris]

For a HB build I was thinking should I use red and Blue cores? Cause I was gonna use saint Elmo as my primary and rock and roll as secondary with the spotter laser tag

[urban latch]

Running flatline and the laser pulse will be considerably better than Elmo's

[sudden cloak]

Lexington will be available soon, so I'd try get that with DTOC and flatline instead of Elmo's

[devout iris]

well i still got mine when they fist gave it out along with the skins that show how long you've played the game

[sudden cloak]

Then use Lexington with flatline, your DPS will be better than Elmo's

[subtle bluff]

Everyone hates this thought but IMO measured is better than Flatline.

[sudden cloak]

I love measured personally

[urban latch]

Not on HB build for sure

[subtle bluff]

Oh I mean for HB too.. Again imo.

[small light]

just finished my strikers build and i want to go for an smg build but have no idea which armour set and gun to use

[opaque jacinth]

Strikers,memento and sokolov chest with obliterate

[small light]

for an smg?

[opaque jacinth]

Yes sokolov gives 10% dmg.also striker is the best pve set..You can try an alternative with a hunters fury.also good

[small light]

is memento the backpack that drops those tokens that boost you

[opaque jacinth]

Yes,gives dmg,armor and survivability cause you gonna run and gun

[small light]

which smg would you recomend

currently i only know about the chatterbox

[opaque jacinth]

Dark winter is my fav for pvp,cause it has perfect killer talent...Ouroboros is also really good and chatterbox as you mentioned

Pve* sorry

[small light]

so if i was to do chatterbox what would my 2nd weapon slot be like a rifle? maybe an 1886

[opaque jacinth]

Anything you want,i regularly use an ar as secondary

[small light]

okay thanks

[small light]

wait would backfire be a good weapon for it?

[opaque jacinth]

Backfire is good but with season's modifiers it can get really good with a certain type of build,but I wouldn't invest on it if i were you.Try chatterbox and dark winter and you'll deal a lot of dmg

[small light]

thanks

[lilac fossil]

what are the best ar's?

the normal high end ones

[onyx sage]

famas, f2000, police m4

[lilac fossil]

thanks

[wet thicket]

I wouldn't recommend the M4 not as good as it used to be, Its really Famas F2000 and the Fal now

Basically the Triple Fs for AR's lol

[onyx sage]

wdym, m4 literally got buffed

[civic turret]

Okay so it doesn't work with Lexington now. Guess they changed it from PTR.

[onyx sage]

and i don't think fal is ever relevant

[wet thicket]

Spreadsheets says otherwise, I trust math more.

[onyx sage]

FAL has low mag size and would've been good if it actually handles a bit like AUG

and the AUG is already pretty terrible

and i'm willing to bet you only looked at burst dps, when the game biases more towards higher rpm weapons which means police m4 is still more favored than low rpm high base weapons.

but seriously recommending the fal to people?

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what did I miss here? lol

[onyx sage]

you didn't miss much, it's in one phone screen

[subtle bluff]

I see....

[wet thicket]

I looked at both Sustain and Burst the Fal beats the M4 in damage, I think it handles pretty well and I'm aware it shoots slower but even then it still beats the M4 in both sustain and burst scenarios. We can agree to dissagree but I trust my spreadsheet numbers.

In the end the guy got the answer he wanted because he is better off just using the Famas or F2000.

[hushed gorge]

finally got the mask

[lilac fossil]

if you dont mind can you send me the spread sheet and for other weapons if you have it

[onyx sage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?usp=drivesdk ikia sheet

[wet thicket]

Look at the bottom of the spreadsheet there should be tabs for each weapon type

[onyx sage]

you forget to factor in the assumption that most players will run striker, so on paper alone sure you can recommend people based on what a spreadsheet says but who do you actually see running fal on something like striker?

[wet thicket]

Congratz

[onyx sage]

spreadsheets are only one thing you should look at among a handful of things

[wet thicket]

With Striker it does more

[scenic briar]

how a weapon handles matters too, like I hate trying to wrangle the AUG

[wet thicket]

Thanks Chow was just about to send that

[subtle bluff]

but everything is around just burst

[onyx sage]

heck let's just make people run first sight then

[subtle bluff]

The issue with it on strikers is your mag dmg is lower

[onyx sage]

my point is look at what people are actually using, or what you're actually using, every good speedrunner i've seen does not care that the fal exists, if they don't care about handling there are better options, if they do care about handling they don't use the fal

[subtle bluff]

I've ran Fal with OD and Strikers trying to make up numbers for speedrunning incursion tanker section

All AR's are only a few % difference one way or another burst, sustain DPS and/or Mag dmg size.

[wet thicket]

They don't care about fal because Lex exist they use the META because its the most effective I'm just saying that recommending the Fal isn't a bad thing to do yes you can use M4 because of its handling I just never understood why people liked it.

[subtle bluff]

For strikers the bigger issues for open world is that you only get ot build 40 stack s then have to reload.

I have 2 lex. I never use them.

[wet thicket]

I prefer Highend during open world

I also have 2

[onyx sage]

you have to look at what builds people actually run. most players will not run high end outside of specific situations like pfe or raids

and i'm pretty sure they're asking in relation to tinkerer, so you need to factor that in as well, lex automatically goes out of consideration

[subtle bluff]

You're are allow to do w/e you want. The issue is you recommenced players Fal from the start for new players is the thing.

[onyx sage]

if we all just recommended players what we see is good on a spreadsheet we'd be very far removed from reality

[subtle bluff]

Fal has the other issue that BH has and why it isn't ran as much as it could be.

[onyx sage]

recommend with new players in mind please lmao

[subtle bluff]

Chamelon on heroic CD was fun till you have to carry half of the CD.

[onyx sage]

if they know what they want they would not be asking here

[wet thicket]

He was asking about the tinkerer so I assumed he was good enough to handle master diff which isnt for new players

Thats my standpoint and I'm leaving it at that we dragged this on longer then needed, Im going to work.

[subtle bluff]

Master is easier than some of the heroic invaded strongholds

[onyx sage]

so no players actually get carried through master or any sort of hard content at all then?

[subtle bluff]

that was sad.... like 27 min clear one shot? Had to wipe at boss because of bug.

[onyx sage]

if a player who's just been playing for iron horse for 3 weeks and they got the regulus, they must be really good at iron horse

what is this logic

[patent fossil]

You can get it on lower difficulties than master too, it's just not guaranteed

[onyx sage]

most players will touch the mission, even less touch master difficulty for the guaranteed reward, once and then never touch it again

i wouldn't assume their skill level out of this single interaction

[subtle bluff]

terminal is harder than this

[hushed gorge]

whats the best Talent combo for ARs with tinkerer Mask?

[wet thicket]

Killer strained optimist flatline and preservation are my personal favs atm

If your running an OD build you can do killer sadist or sadist pressure point.

[hushed gorge]

sadist huh?
bleed is still relevant i see

[obtuse crystal]

well od gives rounds that bleed

[wet thicket]

I know a good amount of people who like OD

[obtuse crystal]

so sadist is really good for od

[sudden cloak]

I'd go measured/killer personally

[subtle bluff]

There is no Best in the this game.

at least overall

[wet thicket]

I'd argue there is still META's when it comes to certain situations/missions

[hushed gorge]

i see

[wet thicket]

Basically just use whatever you want with killer

[obtuse crystal]

depends on the build tbh but with strikers ill run killer fast hands if i decide to run it with tinkerer

[wet thicket]

Want sustain? Use preservation. Want some more damage to strained or optimist. Want to do literally anything else it's your choice

NGL forgot about fast hands

[sudden cloak]

I feel like measured/killer would be a good combo in most situations

[wet thicket]

I never liked measured just personal feel for me but I understand why most like it

[obtuse crystal]

might just run killer and preservation tho that aok would be nice

[sudden cloak]

Could always run gunner as well

If you aren't already running it

[wet thicket]

I'ma just use preservation or optimist with killer

20% aok sounds nice for striker builds and if you get a hs kill it's 30% (assuming you have gunner on)

[obtuse crystal]

but more aok

[sudden cloak]

Run what you're comfortable running, I'm just throwing out options and such

[obtuse crystal]

yeah i might not even im running sac on my dps build and not dying to often

[arctic otter]

So anyone tested the tinkerer with lexington yet? Or any of the other named weapons without a perfect talent?

[spare patio]

How do people get like 1m damage per hit

My best build only get like 400k

[patent fossil]

Yes, apparently it doesn't work

[hushed gorge]

not sure if tinkerer is working as intended

[gentle lichen]

What's the highest/best unnamed burst dps assault rifle?

[hushed gorge]

tinkerer with famas (675k tick)

cayote with famas(745k tick)
I am kinda confused

[gentle lichen]

needs to be of the same type of weapon

[hushed gorge]

same type i see

my bad then

[modest slate]

Look at your video red alphabridge icon = disabled buff

[hushed gorge]

Thank you for letting me know

[hushed gorge]

is it working rn

[vestal ibex]

rip grupo chest.

[hushed gorge]

explain pls

[subtle bluff]

you invested how much into exp your gear....

[hushed gorge]

oh expertise?
its just a game and i use gropo most of the time so,from my pov,its not a loss i guess😅

[hazy steeple]

It might help if you explain why you pick Grupo over something else.

[meager fog]

Why Grupo over Ceska for example...

[hushed gorge]

did i miss anything?

[patent fossil]

with way you can swap around crit chance and crit damage in this game, 1 chc = 2 chd. This means ceska bonus is worth 16% chd, but grupo is only worth 13%

(of course this isn't always true and depends on the rest of the build, but in this case it is)

[subtle bluff]

mine is going over 12 exp on armor pieces.

But yes also that CHC is worth more.

[hazy steeple]

After a while you just get bored.
My meta-hugging strikers setup is on about that.

[vestal ibex]

This is what I was referring to.

It's the most simple "low hanging fruit" change people can make.

[hushed gorge]

you guys were talking about crit values
i see
but back then grupo was good before the nerf

[vestal ibex]

The gap was bigger before the nerf tho.

10 vs 15

[hushed gorge]

didnt notice. thank you for letting me know

[rich lotus]

So guys does Lexington with with the tinkerer or no

[violet juniper]

no. Named guns do not work with tinkerer

[rich lotus]

Yeah I know that but in the pts it did

I'm glad they fixed it

[gray radish]

any one use the thinkerer exotic yet? how it feel?

[violet juniper]

that was the PTS, this is now

high end only.

[hoary valve]

which one better?

[solar sable]

none, because of striker chest
you won't make it to 200 stacks and even less maintaining all of them on normal content.
It's meant to be used in raids or legendary

if you wanna use Memento then just swap Strikers bag for memento and add Strikers mask

[hexed steppe]

you need ceska or grupo in either to replace picaros (depending on current chance)

too many blue also

but thats jmho

[spare patio]

Is there a way to increase bullet capacity? Im not talking about magazine size

[violet juniper]

We're allergic to the colour blue here on discord

[solar sable]

1. If you're struggling to survive use Memento but bring an AR at least to get long distance enemies, oreo is for close combat
2. Changes as I mentioned earlier (Striker mask & memento)

[violet juniper]

Ammo capacity?

Ammo dump holster, True Patriot, Petrov iirc

[hexed steppe]

man im hoping this week i get more than dread edicts... had a steady flow of components last 2 weeks, but no ninja bag
-# dont judge, its for meme build 😎

[hexed steppe]

use ongoing directive. it doesnt change your capacity, but it does basically give you unlimited bleed ammo. i use od with 2 lmg and never even need to hit ammo cases

[violet juniper]

a mod using NBB! Demoted

[hexed steppe]

hush you

[violet juniper]

lol

[hexed steppe]

need 2 more, so i can troll on all my alts

-# proceeds to self flagellation for my insolence

[hoary valve]

better?

[hexed steppe]

much

as long as you can get to 200 stacks often then using the chest is ok. just monitor your stacks and if they only reaching half anyways then go with oblit chest

oblit would stack the same time as your initial striker stacks

[scenic briar]

Ceska Obliterate is much more versatile, but also a much bigger pain to farm

[meager fog]

Still using the Grupo piece lol. Striker chest has VERY limited uses.

[scenic briar]

not only is it harder to reach and maintain stacks 101-200, but Obliterate also has the benefit of being active at the same time that you're ramping up your Striker stacks

[meager fog]

Striker packpack is far more useful since it buffs the stacks without adding additional caveats

[scenic briar]

on average, at 60% CHC, you'll start having that 20% WD at around 34 stacks of Striker

[subtle bluff]

Oh.. He's here too

[meager fog]

I would nomiate a ceska glas cannon chest over a single grupo piece.

[hazy steeple]

Ceska oblit is really not that hard to get, just run Countdown. Should only take you a few runs to get one with at least 1 crit stat, and you can just modify the Talent.

It really is worth farming it out fully though, you can use it on most red DPS setups.

[meager fog]

^ That too.

Even a crit damage/weapon handling Ceska chest is better than a Grupo piece.

[scenic briar]

yeah I guess it's worth using without both CHC and CHD, though that should be your eventual goal

fortunately it's not a piece that needs a rerolled core, so it's not the worst thing in the world to farm

[violet juniper]

🤮

PGC or nothing

[meager fog]

Skill issue I guess

[violet juniper]

yeah, wanting to play the game without going down in a single shot is a skill issue

if you run GC, run PGC and vigi to squeeze as much out as possible

Running GC in open world... Is a choice. More power to those who like it

[meager fog]

Lower the difficulty if you're struggling to stay alive, not sure what else you want to be said.

Glass Cannon is fine, and a viable choice for DPS in a group.

[hazy steeple]

It seems a bit excessive.

[arctic otter]

I enjoy using PFC. I use it in many of my builds. It requires someone to play more tactical and keep your eyes open for enemies who flank. Keeps you on your toes.

[violet juniper]

It's not that it's not viable, it's just the risk outweighs the reward

why would you run glass cannon in heroic? It's unnecessary

[subtle bluff]

I mean.... I do it..

[violet juniper]

content above that, makes sense

[sudden cloak]

I like running intimidate

[meager fog]

Why would you not want an instant damage buff?

[violet juniper]

Why would you want to take 50-60% more damage in low difficulty?

[scenic briar]

sometimes it's fun to just min-max your damage and see how quickly you can mow down roomfuls of enemies

[hazy steeple]

playing so close to the line, when you can easily go for Oblit instead with no real reduction in shooty power for Heroic, feels a bit much.

[meager fog]

I use Glas Cannon on Heroirc and Legendary....it's perfectly viable.

[violet juniper]

just run intim if you want the amp damage

[sudden cloak]

Intimidate is additive DMG not amp

[violet juniper]

You're not understanding my point. I have never said it's not viable, I said it's not necessary in low difficulty

[meager fog]

My point was that I would take Glass cannon Ceska chest over a single grupo piece

[violet juniper]

Fairly certain it's amp, but I could be wrong

I'm not too up to date on which talents provide what damage multiplier

[sudden cloak]

I run intimidate quite a lot, it's definitely additive

[violet juniper]

Interesting to know

[meager fog]

I also never said it was necessary.

I said it would be preferable over a grupo piece

[hazy steeple]

Any ceska chest would be preferrable over a grupo piece, as long as you can still modify the Talent.

[sudden cloak]

The DMG difference between obliterate vs intimidate isn't big enough for it to be amp either

[grizzled garnet]

Got 2 q's.

Is there any reason to make a non raid tank build?
If yes then can i has?

[violet juniper]

no

[grizzled garnet]

🥲

[violet juniper]

Tanks just take longer to kill stuff.

[meager fog]

Nope.

Too many bullets for tanks to be viable.

Survivability is a noob trap for most content

[grizzled garnet]

What about shotgun builds?

[violet juniper]

nothing wrong with a memento or a few blue cores to soak up damage, but the best way to avoid damage is to kill anything that damages you, before it can damage you

oh and PvP

[grizzled garnet]

Trueee. Das why strikers is so effective

[sudden cloak]

For legendary content, if I'm running with randoms then I do 4 blues 3 reds(memento)

[grizzled garnet]

Shotgun builds any good??

[sudden cloak]

Aside from that, I usually only do blue cores when Im bored

[meager fog]

HH shotgun is awesome

[sudden cloak]

^

[grizzled garnet]

Thats also with hf right?

[sudden cloak]

This is a build I use to solo legendary content, waiting to get a chill out mask before I use it on my PSN account though (mods are PFE, not bleed res)

[violet juniper]

My standard build is 4pc Hunters Fury or Striker, 2 blues, Memento, and a Sokolov chest piece

Lots of armour, lots of damage, and it's fun

[meager fog]

Solos Heroic 4 directive, nothing more needed.

[sudden cloak]

After I seen how yt massacred strikers this season I have unfortunately drifted away from it

[grizzled garnet]

Wdym?

[meager fog]

It's meta for a reason.

[sudden cloak]

All of the backfire+hazpro builds

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 ngl ive not tried backfire haz pro yet

[sudden cloak]

Nah I still use it for things that need it

[sudden cloak]

It's very lackluster imo

[grizzled garnet]

Cant you just stop backfire bleed by maintaining max stacks

[sudden cloak]

My point exactly

[grizzled garnet]

Just run a regular strikers with memento to outheal the hurt

[sudden cloak]

Gunner is more than sufficient

[grizzled garnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lost wren]

what builds use tinkerer now? or is it suboptimal?

[sudden cloak]

It works well on my rifle determined build

[lost wren]

what would the build look like?

[lost wren]

with the 1886? interesting

[dull drum]

how do i get tht new mask again ?

[sudden cloak]

Climax mission

[dull drum]

ok ima look for someone to help

[grizzled garnet]

It also seems interesting on 4pc od, 1pc ceska with wicked and then 1 iwi with sadist and then a donor lmg with pressure point

[grizzled garnet]

Why not full highend?

(Besided the mask ofc)

[dull drum]

am i going to hve any problems with tht new misison ?

[lost wren]

what are alternatives to the 1886? i can't seem to find it from the blueprints

[stark flicker]

imtim is additive to total damage but multiplicative with itself meaning it gives +(1.05^5)

[stark flicker]

unless you are min maxxed yes

I'm nearly min maxxed and it took me like 45 minutes

[sudden cloak]

Any hard hitting rifle I suppose

That isn't full auto

[grizzled garnet]

Imo just farm cd for one. There aint no replacing the rootin tootin cowboy shootin feeling

[sudden cloak]

The brand bonuses for breaking point have escaped my mind

[grizzled garnet]

25% rifle and mmr damage for 2pc

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, I had to go look at the spreadsheet

[grizzled garnet]

Ngl... dont seem all to good but idk

[grizzled garnet]

Same 🥲

[sudden cloak]

I mean, it does less than a hotshot build but it still gets the job the done

[lost wren]

is tinkerer just good for that only

[grizzled garnet]

No

[grizzled garnet]

I run the highend version

[sudden cloak]

Which is?

[stark flicker]

that new mask is gonna be nutty for hotshot builds determined/rifleman will be strong

[sudden cloak]

How much you hit for?

[lost wren]

tinkerer should be good for striker no?

[sudden cloak]

Obliterate strikers sure, not max stacks though

Even then, coyotes might still be better as a DPS option

[grizzled garnet]

Uhhh

[sudden cloak]

I've never seen DMG numbers like that before lol

[lost wren]

what weapons?

and what talents?

[sudden cloak]

Me personally, I'd go measured/killer, any of the solid AR's should do

Police4, famas, carbine 7

[grizzled garnet]

Idr but i think 20m

[lost wren]

measured killer famas seems fun

i'll try that

i wonder if tinkerer could be used for pvp

[subtle bluff]

Is this at full HH stacks?

[grizzled garnet]

Idk

[violet juniper]

uh

[subtle bluff]

20 mill on HH isn't a lot.

[violet juniper]

Wut?

[grizzled garnet]

Im in bed rn and thats from like 2 weeks ago

[subtle bluff]

Woah... Looking.

[subtle bluff]

Woahhh

[violet juniper]

ok, just note that I can just about understand how OD builds work with amp damage. I'm really not that good with numbers lmao

[subtle bluff]

@stark flicker Are you just saying stuff or have you ever checked your math to in-game?

[stark flicker]

someone else did the math and said this

I didn't check myself bc I don't use intim

they said intim multiplies with itself

[violet juniper]

multiplies with itself? That... doesn't really add up.

[subtle bluff]

Ya.. That would be some actually crazy numbers.

[violet juniper]

9 stacks of 4%

9⁹?

[stark flicker]

1.04^9

[violet juniper]

There is no way that's correct.

[stark flicker]

according to the math it's a 42% increase

[violet juniper]

So it doesn't multiply with itself

[stark flicker]

it does each stack amplifies the others I sent the formula

[violet juniper]

9⁹ comes out to something like 387 million

[stark flicker]

where are you getting the 9

it is a 4% increase for 1.04

[subtle bluff]

Have you read the talent?

[violet juniper]

This is confusing me, I need to get on and check the talent lmao

[stark flicker]

it says it gives 4% per stack

[violet juniper]

And there's 9 stacks

[stark flicker]

so a 1.04 buff per level

and the stacks multiply with themselves giving 1.04^9 or 1.04^10 if perfect

[stark flicker]

raised to 9 not times 9

they amplify the effects of the other stacks

[violet juniper]

what?

[stark flicker]

just like unstoppable force

[stark flicker]

the equation is 1.04 (4% increase) amplified by the number of stacks 9 giving 1.04 raised to 9

[subtle bluff]

What am I reading.

[grizzled garnet]

They mean 1.04x1.04x1.04... 9 times in total. Or 1.04^9

[stark flicker]

yes

I literally wrote that like 5 times

[grizzled garnet]

Idk the math so im not for one side or the other

[violet juniper]

So 1.04 to the power of 9

[grizzled garnet]

Im just eepy 🥱

[violet juniper]

just say that next time I don't understand the whole ^×* stuff

[stark flicker]

you don't understand multiplication? /genq

[subtle bluff]

This isn't how the talent works.

[violet juniper]

oh don't be a snob

[grizzled garnet]

* means multiply
x means multiply
^ means to the power of

[violet juniper]

no, ⁹ or whatever number means to the power of lmao

[stark flicker]

I'm not being a snob you're being agro when I'm trying to explain how something works

[grizzled garnet]

They both do

[violet juniper]

No you're being a snob over keyboard symbols lmao

[stark flicker]

^9 is longhand for devices that can't do the tiny number

[violet juniper]

Or you just say to the power of

[stark flicker]

if only I did

[grizzled garnet]

Apparently the formula is 1 + (stacks x 0.04)

[onyx sage]

not really, it's exponential like emma said

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 fair

[onyx sage]

so at 9 stacks it is 42% increase

[stark flicker]

I am done arguing with people abt freshman math I'm stepping away before I get myself muted

[violet juniper]

I think we should strive to remember that this is a video game, not a maths exam

[onyx sage]

chill

[grizzled garnet]

I dont mess with math. Not since the incident of 2018 (secondary school maths exam)

[violet juniper]

The only game I'll math out on is diablo

that's when the number crunching actually makes a difference

[grizzled garnet]

I mean it does here too but to each their own

[violet juniper]

Oh you're an American.

[violet juniper]

don't need to number crunch, just throw on the ceska Coyote striker build

[grizzled garnet]

Whatchu mean by that?

[violet juniper]

depends on how you take it

In this context, math is different between UK and US

[stark flicker]

I don't know what that's supposed to mean but if you're trying to make this argument about math personal please leave me alone or I'll block you

[grizzled garnet]

@violet juniper I just wouldnt say stuff like that. Its up to interpretation and you prob wouldnt want the mods taking the worst of them interpretations

[violet juniper]

I mean, I despise Americans in general, but in this conversation it's purely about differences in school math syllabus.

[grizzled garnet]

Yikes

[violet juniper]

anyway, moving on, doesn't matter lmao

[sudden cloak]

Nah

[patent fossil]

eh, I'm English (maths, not math!) and I understood emma's point perfectly well, that ^ symbol has been basic symbol for exponentials since forever

[grizzled garnet]

I use it bc idk how nor care to learn how to do the funny small number

[violet juniper]

Small number is cute

[patent fossil]

superscript!

[violet juniper]

ʷᵉ ˡᵒᵛᵉ ˢᵐᵃˡˡ ᵗᵉˣᵗ

[gray radish]

Is OD great pair with thinkerer?

[stark flicker]

it's tinkerer and yeah there's a couple therycrafts going around most popular seem to be sadist+pressure point and sadist+vindictive

[gray radish]

Good to know

[subtle bluff]

dunno who's coming up with vindictive when pressure point, killer and measured give more dps.

[stark flicker]

I saw a negev one floating around I'll pull up the build paste

[subtle bluff]

Tinkener is good on builds that uses HE weapons.

[subtle bluff]

You don't need to. I know how it works and the numbers could be better

[violet juniper]

pretty great. Measured+Sadist is a nasty combo on a Negev

[subtle bluff]

That burst sounds amazing. I'd like to see it on m249

[violet juniper]

I'm gonna use a MK48, purely because I love the Saw

we had the same idea!!

[stark flicker]

tbh the combo I'm most excited to try is frenzy plus optimist

[violet juniper]

frenzy measured is right there

[subtle bluff]

optimist is a very mid talent

[stark flicker]

I think it's neat even if weak

[violet juniper]

Except for the Shield Splinterer

[stark flicker]

I've only really seen ss in pvp tbh

[violet juniper]

shield Splinterer gets bonus points for being stylish though

[stark flicker]

even then it's a niche pick

[violet juniper]

Plus the sound is crisp

I would adore an exotic F2000

[subtle bluff]

Shield Splinterer is acutally decent burst DPS weapon

you're right they haven't done that yet.

[stark flicker]

which do y'all think will be getting better results 4pc strikers with vyroba ob chest and memento or 4pc strikers with backpack vyroba ob chest and tinkerer

weapon would be measured/killer converted smg-9

[violet juniper]

Depends on the content

[subtle bluff]

vyroba?

[violet juniper]

Ceska

[stark flicker]

ceska

[livid mesa]

Hey chat

[violet juniper]

Problem with the build is that tinkerer will not change the inherent issue with striker chest

[subtle bluff]

Derp..

[stark flicker]

I'm not using the strikers chest

[livid mesa]

On a tank dps build do I use technician or gunner?

[stark flicker]

I'm using a ceska ob chest and strikers backpack

[violet juniper]

Oh I read it wrong

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build and the playstyle. There isn't a "real" tank for Div2

[violet juniper]

Second variation will do more damage

[livid mesa]

It's kind of a legendary build I'm using

[violet juniper]

simple answer lmao. any question of "memento or DPS bag?" DPS bag will always win

[livid mesa]

Idk if I use technician for more shield health or gunner

[hexed anvil]

Will the new mask affect the incursion meta?

[stark flicker]

I find 4pc foundry with pfe and liberty is pretty unkillable in 90% of content aside from like raid bosses

[violet juniper]

Probably not

[subtle bluff]

Tech would be the only one there that would give more shield hp by giving a Skill Teir.

[violet juniper]

Enemies also become mini bosses

[subtle bluff]

Not really. BF is really hard to beat.

[stark flicker]

bf?

[subtle bluff]

backfire

[hexed anvil]

Yea I need my acs12 🤣

[violet juniper]

Backfire is the current king in most content

[stark flicker]

it'd be funny if tinkerer allowed an exotic to also gain a non-exotic talent but only if you run wtv the gun the exotic is based on is

[violet juniper]

it's enjoying its season of dominance like ouro did before it gets inevitably nerfed again

so.. div 1 alphabridge

[stark flicker]

never played the original game till end game

[livid mesa]

Aight

[violet juniper]

Div 1 alphabridge was the gear set Tinkerer is based on. Used to allow exotic talents

Bullpup was meta for a while because it's talent was Unhinged on steroids

[subtle bluff]

again tank's aren't suggest in leggo builds unless there support tanks.

since you can't reliability hold more than one agro.

[stark flicker]

nah I was thinking like if you're using an exotic gun the exotic can get other gun's talents but it can't give the exotic talent to another gun

[violet juniper]

yeah, that's what I meant

you used to get the exotic talent, and the free talent

[stark flicker]

so like you could get an elmo that also has measured but you couldn't give the measured gun elmo's talent

[violet juniper]

that's what Alphabridge used to do

[stark flicker]

ah sounds like a pain to code

[violet juniper]

along with guns having 3 talents on them lmao

Essentially, 4 weapon talents on one gun

stood head to head with striker in its prime

but, Striker wasn't as good back then. You used to lose stacks if you missed shots (I think that should be brought back tbh)

[stark flicker]

striker in the current game was d tier before that part was removed

does striker increase pesti tick damage?

[violet juniper]

No

[violet juniper]

only LMG damage and weapon damage increases tick damage as far as I know

[subtle bluff]

part of my pesti guide.

[lost wren]

other than 1886 and striker obliterate, what other builds can you use tinkerer for?

[strong cave]

OD. 4 piece OD (chest mandatory), tinkerer mask, ceska bag with wicked/vigi/unstoppable force. take a sadist weapon and a killer weapon

if youre feeling extra funky, 4 piece true patriot with tink mask and ceska oblit. rest all TP. take a streamlined weapon and take an optimist weapon

[lost wren]

interesting

i’ve never done an ongoing directive build before

[strong cave]

could do all red, 2 blues, or 4 blues. its not meta, no, but damn i love the summer vibes

OD is top now. due to the mask

[subtle bluff]

almost any builds that does better with HE weapons over exotics.

[subtle bluff]

It's not brandset but what prioity stats would you be shooting for. In most cases it's CHC.

[strong cave]

just go crit. if you aint crittin, you aint hittin

[subtle bluff]

It's either you do Crit (CHC/CHD) or HSD not both.

[lost wren]

especially since crit damage and headshot damage are additive to each other

[subtle bluff]

that just add together to keep it simple.

The more CHC you have without having to stats into the more CHD you can have the more CHD you have the more DPS happens.

with coyote 50-54% CHC
w/o coyote closest to 60% without going over
Then the rest into CHD.

This no finish by any means but here's small understanding how Dmg is done.

Depends on a few things. The main thing for good build is DPS. A lot of DPS is gonna come from Crit so that why those number for CHC is important.

Read what the gearset does.

FI gear makes far superior than any other build because of it's Talent.

Then the buffs it gives out.

[hexed steppe]

refactor with chest has solid heals. i find that fi is kinda overkill outside of raid or legs

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the team and again what you're trying to do.

[scenic briar]

how does the math work out on using the chest for increased healing vs. glass cannon for more damage (and thus more healing)?

[subtle bluff]

But yea my theory is still GC is doing 2 things vs just one thing.

[stark flicker]

not build related but only channel I can post photos the sniper keeps running away

[lost wren]

striker build using the tinkerer
should be good no?

[strong cave]

double famas not required. just the same weapon type

[subtle bluff]

why 2x Famas?

[lost wren]

ik

[subtle bluff]

Stapppp don't do that. jk

[lost wren]

wish it worked for named weapons to use lexi with measured but oh well