td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

MP7 was mid before

Oxpecker was release last season

[urban palm]

striker still best dps?

[patent fossil]

Yup

[urban palm]

whats the best talent for m4 (i always play in groups)

someone recommended flatline but idk if its worth the specialization change

[patent fossil]

Strained, measured are decent options I believe

[lone wadi]

fast hands also good

[patent fossil]

Optimist too, although that's stronger if you've got fewer red cores

[hazy steeple]

I've not done the maths on it, but I've had a lot of fun running that newer "higher damage with no skills on cooldown" one, I forget the name.
Since my Striker only really uses a shield anyway, I just focus more on cover-to-cover and it's pretty much always up, minus the few times I need a reviver hive for a slow teammate.

[urban palm]

Oh thats perfect, ill find that one. I dont really use skills

[hazy steeple]

There's a named version that makes a pretty decent AR for Strikers, although I do suggest a stack-builder along with it (Lefty ACS is never a bad choice).

The fire-rate is a bit low though, so YMMV. Normally you want 750 or above.

Preeeety much any AR at or higher than 750 will work.

[urban palm]

the Lud but the rpm is low

and not a fan of scar design

How about the Lexington why is that the best one
i might have dismantled mine along the way

[hazy steeple]

Very, very slightly higher DPS, and it's got the feel of a fan-favourite gun from div1, that you can't quite get in div2.

And in your case: you flat-out can't get it, until the devs decide to add it back in via whatever method they end up picking.

(It also has an absurdly high fire-rate for its damage, so you can almost use it without a stacking gun)

They have confirmed (so far) that it won't be just a world drop, likely it'll be some time-limited event again.

[urban palm]

i see i thought it had some OP unique talent

[hazy steeple]

Nah, you can pick whatever talent you want, and it innately came with maxed out dtooc.

IIRC I went for Strained and Fast Hands, because I'm a stereotype.

[hoary sail]

I alway put fast hands if I can

[frank badge]

Can people show me there builds so I can have a rough idea on what to do

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages with a collection of good builds

[frank badge]

Can u @ me in it pls

[patent fossil]

It's worth learning to navigate discord and find pinned messages for yourself: on the phone app, just click the channel name at the top and then the pin icon

[meager fog]

I find Streamline really good on secondary when using Shield/Reviver hive....until you get downed lol

[lament reef]

also not active while you have shield up

[patent fossil]

Probably worth having a spare and just hot swapping if you proc your revive hive

[zenith plover]

What would be a good build for a pestilence+turmoil build?

[subtle bluff]

One of the worse gear piece to use with pesti for all the reason it states on it.

Normal Strikers works fairly well. The specfic build for Pesti is really hard farm.

[coral reef]

Tell me about it! only missing the chest piece, the hardest one. It will eventually drop

[violet juniper]

Not using it

[subtle bluff]

I only have the blue core version of it.

[worn elbow]

How good is the umbra initiative with the right build?

[shy willow]

It's aight

Sweet but nothing too crazy

Gets a lot more cred in pvp

[subtle bluff]

You either learn how to get in and out cover quickly and a lot or it doesn't work out well.

[worn elbow]

Sounds interesting thanks for the info lads

[worn elbow]

testing around and I liked this set up a lot so I was thinking ain’t better to put grupo for holster?

[vestal ibex]

For you I'd bet ceska would be better.

[worn elbow]

Chameleon talent can help with chc

[vestal ibex]

Honestly there is much to be desired with this build but you seem to be building for preference considering that statement. I'm really not sure what to suggest if that's the case.

[worn elbow]

Ceska can work same with grupo but since chameleon gives free chc there’s not much need for ceska

[subtle bluff]

3 things.

1. and 2. You need to land 30 HS to active that Crit and with Chameleon accuary isn't that good would probably take probably around 40-50rd to so do and then your DPS for those rounds aren't that great due to the lower CHC.
2. Did you know the Body active is dishes out more DPS than the Crit one? 90%WD vs 20CHC & 50CHD.

[worn elbow]

Sorry for late reply in a countdown rn but answer for first part
Accuracy ain’t that good ik but I can land them heads quickly trust me and I have like 52 chc without ceska
For 2nd part sorry didn’t understand that part

[vestal ibex]

Outside of what you should do with your build, ceska is better is almost all situations ever vs grupo.

[subtle bluff]

Chameleon has 3 different Actives for talents.

[worn elbow]

Alright then ceska it is

[worn elbow]

Ohh you meant the 3rd talent my bad

[subtle bluff]

It’s not a passive if you have to do something to activate the talent…

[worn elbow]

Oh ye sorry sometimes I forget the difference mb

[vestal ibex]

If you add in grupo you'd gain 1% CHD, if you juggle around your CHC to stay under cap you could net 3% CHD going ceska.

[muted ridge]

Can Gila roll double red?

[worn elbow]

Actually looking back at ceska is actually better since I just get 1% more crit damage

[subtle bluff]

The point is that the body active is more DPS overall than Head active.

[worn elbow]

Ye and with max striker stacks it’s 210%

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

That’s not how you math it.

[worn elbow]

Wait hold up I might did it wrong

[vestal ibex]

These numbers aren't in the same catagory, you don't just add em up.

[subtle bluff]

Also Striker Chest without the BP isn’t really worth it vs using an Obliterate chest.

[worn elbow]

Ye ik I have like 2 striker set ups 1 is the common set up for everything
2nd is with memento and ceska chest

[subtle bluff]

Striker chest is only useful in incursion and some boss fights.

[worn elbow]

K thanks for the assist fellas

[broken edge]

is pakhan the hardest hitting automatic weapon in the game at the moment? not counting ACS or rifles

[vestal ibex]

"hardest hitting" What do you mean by that?

[broken edge]

damage per shot

raw weapon damage per bullet

[vestal ibex]

Outside of rifles/MMRs/Pistols/shotguns the RPK does have the highest base damage.

[shy willow]

I always assumed it'd be the M60 or something

[worn elbow]

For heartbreaker build should I keep my ceska chest or get a holster to use the heartbreaker chest piece?

[shy willow]

Heartbreaker chest is essential

The bag very much isn't

[worn elbow]

K thanks

[meager fog]

Also.....chest talent is eh on Strikers, difficult to keep up in most situations

[worn elbow]

Ye won’t use that set up

[fresh grove]

Was wondering what build to make with the new mask

[grizzled garnet]

outside of half the weapons in the game :3

[vestal ibex]

Just a couple yeah.

[worn elbow]

Alright made a heartbreaker build in like in few runs of countdown( the mode hates me so much that it froze my game like 3 times) so far it’s nice but can be a lot better when I use the right weapons I was thinking getting a ceska mask and put memento in

[violet juniper]

NGL that's as good as you'll get

swap from wicked to vigi and you'll get more damage, but that's about it

also, less blue more red

[worn elbow]

Alright I’ll get better backpack hopefully ceska farm is pain

Thanks

[urban falcon]

Whats a good weapon for negotiator? Feel like pestilence is mega squishy

[violet juniper]

Bluescreen

[small igloo]

Diamond back in certain areas of DH

[urban falcon]

Ty both

[zenith plover]

found this build on the spreadsheet, is this still a viable oxidizer build?

or should i use refractor

[onyx sage]

yes that's the oxi build

[zenith plover]

still viable in Y7S1?

[zenith plover]

can u use a capacitor on this one?

[subtle bluff]

what are you trying to do

[zenith plover]

just wanted to put up a pve oxidizer build

cause i already have a striker build so im looking to build a skill build and the oxi build caught my eye

[subtle bluff]

Oxi isn't something you use to for open pve

[zenith plover]

oh i seee

[subtle bluff]

You run out of oxi really quick

[zenith plover]

so this build is for incursion?

[subtle bluff]

For one section

Not that build but a oxi build

[solar sable]

oxi is often used for spawn camping afaik

[pastel ledge]

Do I have to get the kill when using the grudge for the benefit to trigger?

[meager fog]

Oxi is for Legendary ad clearing in a group when you know the spawns by heart

[subtle bluff]

Sorrry what? It's only used for some speed runs even then we don't do that anymore.

[stark flicker]

any good builds that use a fenris bp?

[subtle bluff]

nope

[cerulean smelt]

aren't you curious enough to ask them "give video proof of this" i know i am

/inviteMrChow i forsee videos of them legendary mobs speed running out of the oxi with at least 3/4 health even if they shot all 7 of thier oxi in that spawn

[subtle bluff]

I've never done a leggo speed with oxi tbh

[shy willow]

Ive only seen it on the encounter immediately after the lawn on capitol

[subtle bluff]

Roosevelt Island then then most of them are kind of gone from pummel. Maybe now but still not very rare unless for speeds.

[shy willow]

I forgot they patched pummel on chem

😔

[past ridge]

Hello, I have a question regarding headshot damage (in a headhunter / determined build) and the attribute "damage to armor".

Beside helmet npc (hyena rushers, chunga), does it do anything ?

[subtle bluff]

Simple no. Helmets are basically armor plates. The only thing that shoots through them is the Tac50 from the sharpshooter.
The best attribute is always gonna be DTTooC (Damage to Targets out of cover)

[past ridge]

From what I just read on Reddit, Chunga doesn't have armor per se, but armor plates with separate health bar. The more you read, the more you know

[subtle bluff]

Again why I said DTTooC is better. DTA isn't as good as it seems.

[past ridge]

Thank you. And wouldn't damage to hp also be acceptable ?

I wonder if a headshot just always burn through hp, or it does armor AND hp (on elites for example)

[worn elbow]

Damage to health isn’t a big issue they still die quickly with the right set up

[subtle bluff]

DTTooC is a higher value anyways to keep it simpler.

[past ridge]

Indeed, on my MMR the max values are

• • 9. 5% dth
• +10% dttooc
• +6% dta

Very clear, thank you

[subtle bluff]

DTA and DTH dmg % only targets that pools amount of value.

[worn elbow]

Btw chow about the heartbreaker build I’m using memento and swapped cayote for ceska mask and it’s incredible and the one with the ceska bag and cayote mask works fine but tbh the set up with memento is better for me since I run solo all the time unless I do countdown or raids etc

[subtle bluff]

It's hard to beat memento if you can keep getting trophies.
We like to say it's the hardest working gear piece in the game.

[worn elbow]

Yep when it released the first time and I saw what it does i immediately knew that this will be the key for every solo build in the game

[loud pine]

shocker punch best solo exotic in the game

[grizzled garnet]

on a determined hotshot build what secondary should i use?

[hexed steppe]

personally, i use elmo. it can take advantage of all the hsd since its a laser

[grizzled garnet]

intriguing

[hexed steppe]

bighorn as well would work

[grizzled garnet]

🙏

[patent fossil]

I'd use Scorpio (if enemies are too close to reliably headshot while scoped) or a steady handed lmg for when you just need to pump endless bullets into something with no head (marauder drone, hotel door, etc)

[grizzled garnet]

i'll play around and see how it goes. bighorn seems like it'd work well on my 1886 build

[patent fossil]

I figure the biggest weakness of hh builds is enemies that don't have heads, and bighorn isn't going to help there, but definitely worth experimenting around and see what works and what doesn't.

[hexed steppe]

i usually find its something rushing you with a helmet that causes a loss of determined proc.

[onyx sage]

technically:

• dth will do more, because it multiplies with the hh bonus, while dttooc doesn't, so your damage to helmets will be increased more with dth than with dttooc (even when you get 10% with both)
• 9.5% dth is a lie, you actually get 10%

that said you always use dttooc practically because there are other things than helmets to deal with

generally, if you want to do more towards helmets, when making brand choices in your build you want to focus less on headshot damage and more on weapon damage and other multipliers, like dth/dttooc. expertising your mmr will do wonders, but making simple choices like using airaldi instead of providence is easy too

[shy willow]

I personally run usually either an m870 or rav

[past ridge]

Thank you, that's something i will look at. I am playing mostly solo heroic, or 4 men heroic, so I'm mostly looking at a way to maximize HDS, while my friends know they should focus helmet NPC

The only exception so far being Legendary, where my Determined Headhunter build isn't worth anything tbh (but that's OK)

[onyx sage]

there comes a point where you don't need more hsd

weapon damage both scales headhunter damage more and does more damage to helmets

[past ridge]

I'm running this for now, doing OK, i'll just play with the website until I see something better on all points 😁

[subtle bluff]

That's the standard build. m700 carbon will do a lil bit more dmg while still having a mag vs a clip.

[slate wedge]

which sniper has the highest base damage in the game?

[patent fossil]

Model 700, unless you count the nemesis or tac-50

[frank dune]

for the bluescreen dilemma build in the spreadsheet, or well just that combo, is the idea to like tag a bunch of enemies and then focus a fat one while the rest just drop by happenstance?

[patent fossil]

Pretty much

You can swap focus between whoever is out of cover. If anything these days it's more efficient to focus a weaker enemy since the transferred damage is greater than that to the primary target

[frank dune]

yeah i saw the spreadsheet info has it as 100% but in game it's 112%

[shy willow]

It's been buffed relatively recently

[coral reef]

Trying to collect Ridgeway Pride pieces in the Summit. If I dont get the part I need, can I restart the floor bracket im in to try again? For example, next checkpoint is at floor 51. Can i exit and restart those levels 41-50 to try again?

[patent fossil]

The level ranges are 20 (eg 41-60), and the parts are iirc guaranteed if you open a summit cache within that level range. You can only get back to a previous checkpoint by joining someone else or by resetting your progress to 1 though

[coral reef]

Thanks

Location of the summit cache is random right? I

[subtle bluff]

It's between White Death and M700 one has higher 1st shot dmg and the other peak.

[subtle bluff]

The biggest thing using both is needing to keep stacks up for it so if you.

[patent fossil]

No, it's always immediately before a checkpoint (end of every floor ending in 3, 6 or 9). The key for the cache is random somewhere in the preceding three floors though.

[coral reef]

Thanks! I just missed it then lol

[slate wedge]

because in all spreadsheets m44 has higher damage but i thought that m700 got buffed a while ago i think project resolve

[subtle bluff]

TU22 all weapons got touched. Then we're balanced again in TU23

[terse latch]

Should I keep this talent or switch it? It’s on my lancer chest plate system

[torn shale]

Im looking for a one shot build that is currently working properly. Anyone can send me a setup or link? Cheers.

[subtle bluff]

4pc Hotshot, Chainkiller, Arialda (can't spell it brandset bonus with MMR dmg) w/vigilance. Then any MMR that is bolt action will work.

[subtle bluff]

Otherwise pinned messages > gdoc >build hub

[slate wedge]

which brand is it?

[hexed steppe]

its belstone

[hexed steppe]

if you dont have a way of generating bonus armor then dont use that talent. also neds to be cqb to benefit from the damage

[slate wedge]

if you ever plan on playing pvp then keep it, it already is perfect for a bighorn regen build, also only recalibrate the talent so you can always change it back

but intimidate is a great talent for the build so yeah

[limpid niche]

any good way to incorporate NBB into a solo heartbreaker build if u don't have momento

[slate wedge]

nope, NBB isn’t really ever worth it over another backpack with a damage talent

[terse latch]

Anyone have a good regen bighorn build I can use? I don’t have the matador bag tho

[slate wedge]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/qllVxinZ

this is probably best without matador

if you wanna incorporate belstone then go for 3 gila, 1 belstone and emperors guards/1 yaahl/1 uzina

[tired falcon]

depends on what you want to do. There aren't many brand sets that would make the combination worth it though.
Would be better to use another exotic like Catharsis, Coyote, Centurion holster, even the new mask Catalyst.
If you still want to experiment, I've used 2 brazos (one being pecaro's holster) with heartbreaker and Bluescreen with NBB, just for the lols (300 bullets).

Besides brazos you could do Gila or Belstone.

[subtle bluff]

HF BP doesn't help your dmg.

Read it's talents.

[thick olive]

Some one should hi-key help me with a build

Like one with high damage

[subtle bluff]

hi-key....

[thick olive]

But tomorrow

[subtle bluff]

Strikers

it's all in the pinned messages > Gdoc > Build Hub.

Ya memento works

[thick olive]

So if it makes sense Im trying to get high damage but also high armor

[subtle bluff]

Either or can't both

[thick olive]

Oh ok

[subtle bluff]

Even then a lot more will be taken down pretty quick with bad gameplay

[thick olive]

Well Im trying to get high damage then, sometimes when I look up some builds they got like critical hit chance/damage rolled on everything

[subtle bluff]

That's right

again I already posted where to look

[mild mortar]

Ok what is best; oneshot build with MMR or Rifle?
I have tried with Rifle and it feels really valnureble when you somehow loose your buffs.. killing an elite enemy or whatever come towards you to get that headshot bonus up again in the middle of the fight on Heroic+ with Rifle is hard even if you hit headshots. Is it the same with MMR?

[slate wedge]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/wuSVmYD6

[mild mortar]

cool, ty! I had the Nemesis so will try this 🙂

[slate wedge]

the white death with determined or a m700 with determined is actually the preferred weapon for this since you can chain headshots really easily

[mild mortar]

Ok cool, but I shouldnt go for HABSBURG GUARD for Chest/Packpack for those HS/MMR dmg?

Or is that perfect headhunter worth it even though Habsburg give you more base HS/MMR dmg?

[hazy steeple]

A little bonus HSD is not going to make or break your build, you can see your total in the stats screen, so you can work out if you need it.

Assuming you have the required amount, a little extra is just a little extra.

[slate wedge]

chainkiller (perfect headhunter chest) gives higher maximum damage, habsburg would only give higher damage on the first shot without any stacks from headhunter

[mild mortar]

Right, thx!

[violet kayak]

What do you think about quick fixes for Birdie? I think reanimate is effective at turning striker build owners into zombies, but I can't think of an optimal build since it requires ditching the BTSU gloves and exoticizing a good backpack talent.

[worn imp]

Which UMP variant is best?

[lofty frigate]

nomal Tactical UMP or named weapon "slingshot"

[slate wedge]

normal FI build without the chestpiece and an alps empathic resolve chest

or with the chestpiece and one alps piece

[onyx sage]

birdie's quick fix does not go on an "optimal" build because optimally no one goes down

[rich lotus]

Does anyone have a backfire build or is it in the spreadsheet?

[hexed steppe]

Currently it's used on a standard striker build

Involves taking the bleed and keeping your stacks up

You'll stop bleeding once you are maintaining the same stack level between reloads.
Some are using hazpro along with the global modifier passive that gives hazpro. Ymmv

[worn elbow]

Planning on making a lengmo build with pest for the 3 piece should I get both holster and knee pads the backpack is the main set obviously and for mask and chest I run ceska obliterate and coyote?

[hexed steppe]

might consider glass for chest

[worn elbow]

That could work too

[hexed steppe]

using contractors as well, correct?

[worn elbow]

Ofc

More damage=faster kills= more fun

[hexed steppe]

nice

[coral reef]

Just got the Ridgeway Pride chest, that was a JOURNEY. is there a way to make it viable? Like it can actually compete with Coyote's, Vile or Memento?

[hazy steeple]

The usefulness of Exotics in div2 are all about the build they're a part of, for example: Coyotes is terrible in a skill damage setup, but amazing with crit red shooty stuff.

[hexed steppe]

not really. itll fit a hunters fury build, but youre better off with a chest talent and memento there. the whole cqb part of the talent rules it out of pretty much any non-meme build

[slate wedge]

it’s being used in PvP for close range fights but that’s about it

last time i saw it was by a friend in ROG clan on a headshot striker build with bighorn

[hexed steppe]

i can see that, actually. good point

[tired falcon]

I suggest using an exotic like Coyote, Catharsis, Catalyst or Centurion.
The HF backpack isn't really worth it, only increases the range of the on kill disorient effect and not by much.
Something like memento, Perfect Versatile, or Perfect Unstoppable Force would be better.
Since you're using Sweatdreams, the Bloody Knuckles exotic glove would be good here

[slate wedge]

don’t use any of those exotics rather go 4 HF and use a different backpack and chest

[tired falcon]

depends on the gear available; I prefer to use the HF vest, Centurion holster and the Perfect Versatile backpack if I'm intending to go with an smg & shotgun.
HF is pretty good for a St. Elmo & smg loadout too, using Memento and obliterate

[slate wedge]

using the HF chest is not worth it

rather go for adrush + intimidate or versatile + gunslinger

you get way more damage and the HF stacks don’t need to last 30 seconds anyways

[wispy hollow]

Been looking to get a Pesti build going. After seeing the nuisance to get a unicorn Lengmo Chest, I settled on the below two builds

3 piece Lengmo, 1 piece Walker, Contractor, Fox Prayer

3 piece Lengmo, 1 piece Walker, Contractor, Hollow Man

Which one would be better overall (so that I can use my tinkering resources accordingly) ?

[wispy hollow]

Thanks MrChow

[coral reef]

While I find the actual unicorn, glass canon is doing more damage atm

[solar sable]

so close to unicorn

[subtle bluff]

I use blue core with GC and double crit. Works well enough for me.

The one with HSD is good! you not missing out on much.

[vital apex]

Best AR build for iron horse?

[lost wren]

i think just standard all red striker crit with coyote mask and ceska obliterate chest piece

[solar sable]

nah, the best choice for IH in terms of DPS is a HE AR build, which IIRC is in the Spreadsheet

[noble star]

What stat is more important for a pakhan build, weapon handling or crit hit chance and damage?

[shy willow]

Handling is never something you build into and more of an added bonus

For DPS builds crit is king

[sharp ivy]

hello, i just now became lvl 40, and i wanted to play a build with sniper/LMG or sniper/SMG, can someone help me or is there a website for builds ? i'm new player

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > GDoc > Build Hub

[meager fog]

CHC/CHD

If using coyotes, try to get minimum 50-55% CHC base, the rest CHD

Don't rely on Coyotes to boost your CHC 🙂

[worn trout]

hello im having a trouble with builds, im looking for a build that hits around 500k-2m, have good amount of armor to survive and when im looking on tiktok or youtube to copy one, it seems that its different or im doing something wrong, does anyone can help with doing that type of build, i just got into level 40 and have 35shd watch level

i was also using striker but i dont like it, i hate that i need to do a lot of damage to do more damage

[grizzled garnet]

its the way of the game unfortunately. striker is your standard build. if you want armor go for heatbreaker but your sacrificing damage for more survivability. if youre a team player you could try an ongoing directive build with a sadist weapon. if you want a one hit kill build then you have a highend version with the 1886 or a gearset version with white death.

[worn trout]

so theres nothing better than striker armor?

[grizzled garnet]

depends what you consider "better"

[worn trout]

oh

[grizzled garnet]

as a damage build for group play not really

[worn trout]

and what about primary guns

[grizzled garnet]

st elmos is the best you can aim for afaik for now

there is the lexington but thats unobtainable for the time being but its confirmed to be coming back at a date to be announced

[worn trout]

okay thanks for now

[grizzled garnet]

🙏

[grizzled garnet]

one thing to note is that if youre struggling with building stacks for strikers use a shotgun (the ACS-12) since each pellet will give a stack

[worn trout]

i have it equipped

and also please dont kill me in the dark zone if u will see me 👉 👈

[grizzled garnet]

i dont go dz 🙏

[worn trout]

then why do u have dz in your name lol

[grizzled garnet]

just a joke name

[meager fog]

Standard Headshot build incorporates both survival and insane single target damage

Every second headshot gives armour or bonus armour. And since every shot after the first with a determined MMR is a guaranteed headshot. You'll never be short on armour

You also never have to reload, provided you don't miss...
and if built right almost every shot after the first is a guaranteed kill....surviving is pretty easy

[cosmic compass]

No Shot

wrong channel

[frank badge]

Can people show me some damage builds and health please screenshots will help a lot

[meager fog]

Basic DPS build is 4pc strikers, coyotes mask and Ceska Obliterate chest piece.

All red, stacked cirt chance to 50-55% and the rest crit damage.

[frank badge]

I’m already using a 4 piece striker

I’m just struggling like making good builds

[atomic fog]

would this be considered a god roll?

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet linked in the pins with a bunch of good build guides, but the one Dorky gave you is one of the best available at the moment.

[meager fog]

Can I ask what guns you're using? And what your attributes are on your gear.

Because the 4pc Striker DPS build is capable of clearing most content solo.

To get the best from Strikers you need a gun with high RPM. St Elmos is the current favourite of most people. But any Police M4 or Famas will do as long as it has Damage to target out of cover on it. If you're using a standard m4 or Famas, i would recommend either Killer or Strained as a talent.

[frank badge]

That’s the thing I use anything I mainly use st Elmo’s and just got the bighorn

[meager fog]

And which 4 pieces of Strikers are you using?

You should be using the Backpack, Holster, Gloves and Kneepads

all with weapon damage and CHC/CHD on them

[atomic fog]

im legit asking cuz im noob, would these be considered a god rolls?

[onyx sage]

you should extract these max rolls into the library. as is you wouldn't use these pieces

[meager fog]

I'm not massively into skill builds, so unsure about the legitimacy of the WW stuff, but afaik BA isn't really used much due to sacrificing way too much damage

They're nice rolls for library though, definitely extract that crit chance from the holster

[noble dirge]

Extract their stats for the library. Those rolls are not worth it.

[meager fog]

But for reference, since they're not "red" base attributes. They can't be imo considered god rolls. As Weapon damage is the optimal choice for almost all builds

[noble dirge]

I had to stop myself when I saw an Armor Core on Striker.

[atomic fog]

oke, thank you very much :)

[meager fog]

Made me heave honestly

[atomic fog]

whats BA?

[onyx sage]

belstone armory

the brand of the holster

[noble dirge]

Full red or bust - seeing anything other than red are grounds for the naughty corner.

[onyx sage]

red or dead

[meager fog]

Absolutely. Can't be a god roll if it's not red

[noble dirge]

@atomic fog Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't change the core attribute of your gear, as that can be buffed via Optimization. Keep that in mind next time.

[noble dirge]

What I wouldn't give for three extra 6% CHC mods for my Strikers

[meager fog]

^ That too.

Especially not on Strikers.....like....that's the number one rule of Strikers

I can forgive a single blue core on HB, because bonus armour but outside of that. NOOO

[atomic fog]

because i either change core atribute or optimize all the attributes right?

[meager fog]

If you're unsure, ask hgere first

But as a general rule you don't change the base attribute unless the other two are absolutely perfect rolls and your build calls for a specific bonus from an armour set that doesn't roll red core

Once you change an attribute or talent on a piece of gear, all others are permenently locked for that specific piece.

Essentially, that piece of strikers (unless the other two attributes are insanely good rolls) is now useless

[atomic fog]

oke, i actually dunno why i did that, it was ages ago

but if i optimize one attribute i can optimize also the other one right?

[meager fog]

You can optimize all slots

but you can only recalibrate one

[atomic fog]

i mean its not that bad right?

[meager fog]

Roll it back to weapon damage and it's perfect

[atomic fog]

but i have shit armor 😭

[meager fog]

It's an ideal piece for a DPS build

[atomic fog]

they sneeze i die

[meager fog]

Armour doesn't matter when things don't stay alive long enough to hurt you

[atomic fog]

ill keep it in mind tho

[onyx sage]

play smarter, you're basically never forced to take damage if you play smart even on higher difficulties

[smoky moss]

you quickly change this attitude in HC

[meager fog]

A standard DPS build sacrifices almost all survivability (besides a single self revive incase you mess up) for massive damage

[onyx sage]

good news i don't play hardcore

[smoky moss]

just sayin'

Uzina Getica with Striker set never looked so sexy 🙂

[meager fog]

I have yet to try hardcore in a serious way....but I look forward to the change of builds lol

[smoky moss]

hardcore is actually a lot of fun.. much more fun than SC if I can say.. simply because there's something on the line.. you change the way you play really

and the penalty is really not that harsh if you die

you still keep everything it's just re-leveling from 1-40 really but once you have gear set up.. it's really like 4 hour loss total

[meager fog]

Yeah I enjoy perma death modes in most games tbh. It's always a lot of fun gambling with your life lol

Playing no death runs in most games is a great challenge

[atomic fog]

oh btw ive been running acostas bag, but the nade isnt always refunded. is it a bug, connection error ora what? and yes i know about the cooldown, sometimes it doesnt refund even on the first throw

[meager fog]

DL1 nightmare mode no death run was BRUTAL

[onyx sage]

you should do no damage challenges in resident evil games too

[smoky moss]

it's a different feeling when 4 elites are shredding your 1.8m armor and you go from "easy peasy gonna wipe these guys" to "holy sh!t things just got real as you see your armor getting into 1/3rd" 😄

[meager fog]

Lol i've seen no hit runs on Resi 3.

They have set spawns right? So it's a pattern learning excersize essentially

[onyx sage]

i like doing it on re4 the most cuz it's my favorite action entry

[onyx sage]

yep

[smoky moss]

I'm actually doing WoNY now in HC.. I am like SHD 120 now on HC. The question really ends up being, should I kill Keener and get Rogues in open world.. cause that's a big decision in HC.

[meager fog]

I suppose the saving grace is that the games are relatively short, so not TOO much to remember lmao.

I don't have the patience for that

[onyx sage]

re4 is like the longest one, i've started it since last year and only just this weekend reduced my personal best to just 1 hit. think i'll actually get it done this coming weekend

[atomic fog]

do u know by any chance @meager fog ?

oh wise one

[smoky moss]

Acosta what? 🙂

there is only one bag.. and it's called memento 🙂

[atomic fog]

@smoky moss its literally in the pic my guy, acosta's go-bag

[smoky moss]

😉

[meager fog]

Yes.

The talent doesn't work if your grenades are full.

The grenade gets added before it gets consumed

[onyx sage]

there's a weird thing about it, it doesn't refund you if you're already at max grenades

[atomic fog]

ya i saw that on reddit, but for me its also when not full

[onyx sage]

did you throw every 60s or 15s?

[atomic fog]

its not about the cooldown

[meager fog]

Try throwing a grenade before combat, then waiting for the cooldown to finish (should be on your hud) then try again

[onyx sage]

I'm just confirming whether you got the right cooldown

[atomic fog]

actually, what about the 15s?

[onyx sage]

15s is just the overcharge duration, 60s is the actual cooldown, so you might be throwing nades during the 45s downtime

[atomic fog]

ah yeah, nah nah, i said even on 1st throw it does that

[meager fog]

The fact remains, that acostas bag is just.....eh. Not even worth using tbh

The talent is wonky, and the up time is awful

[atomic fog]

but still, i wanna understand, plus i dont play only meta stuff

[atomic fog]

lets see...

[meager fog]

Meta is meta for a reason, Acostas just isn't even in the conversation for any build that works.

Not when the other two exotic backpacks exist anyway 😛

[atomic fog]

i did try the weirdest thing, the first time i tried it worked, off combat, then not anyomer

[atomic fog]

booring, i play games to have fun, not to fill a spreadshit (pun intended)

[onyx sage]

acosta is used sometimes even in optimal runs though, just not always

it's no rugged gauntlets

[atomic fog]

should it work with every type of nade?

[meager fog]

Have fun doing whatever you want lol, i'm not judging. But we're in the build advice section of the discord 😉

[onyx sage]

all we know is the grenade refunding only happens when the overcharge part of the talent is off cooldown

besides that time you should not be throwing grenades

i would watch carefully if the talent is off cooldown, cuz that's when the refunding would work

[atomic fog]

i knooowwwwwwww

[onyx sage]

then otherwise we don't know

[atomic fog]

but thx

[onyx sage]

a clip would help, you can post one here

[atomic fog]

mh

[onyx sage]

post directly, don't post on youtube cuz it counts as self promo

[atomic fog]

maybe it is only when full after all...

[atomic fog]

damn

[atomic fog]

what are they there for then 😭

but yeah, im just experimenting

[onyx sage]

i mean...

[meager fog]

grenades are mostly there for decoration for moving targets out of cover

can't remember the last time I used one to actually kill someone lol

[atomic fog]

i just wanted to try exo picking dust in my inv tbh

[meager fog]

An enemy dying from a greande I throw is just a happy accident lol

[atomic fog]

yeah, they are a pain to throw, especially up

but again, just trying stuff out

[atomic fog]

yeah, in the end it was that, at least out of combat, damn ubisoft cant code/understand cause and effect, what a surprise

yah no, doesnt always work in combat, dumb ubisoft

[coral reef]

I just realized the backpack talent of Eclipse Protocol "Amplifies all damage you deal to status affected targets by 30%" only applies to ME, not to the whole team. I always thought I was helping the group with the talent

[meager fog]

Ralph:

I'm helping.

[onyx sage]

it's why we recommend creeping death for pure control eclipse builds

or opportunistic with scorpio

[atomic fog]

do you guys like my build now? @meager fog @onyx sage

[meager fog]

Strikers chest piece is a no for most content

Stacks are difficult to keep up

[atomic fog]

why not? 😭

wdym? what would u suggest?

[meager fog]

It's a wasted talent, that's why people tend to use Ceska Obliterate chest for a 20% damage increase.

[atomic fog]

like this?

[meager fog]

Whyuats the talent on it?

Also you're mixing too many armour sets

[atomic fog]

ya, im just showing u

oblitarate

ill change back to 4 striker after

[meager fog]

Perfect

[atomic fog]

i know, modestly 😊

[meager fog]

This is what I run for DPS, Glass cannon for flat 25% damage increase instead of Obliterate

The blues are Hazpro

That LMG deals 1.3-1.4m per hit with that build

[hazy steeple]

What's this build for, that it needz HazPro?

[atomic fog]

whaaaaat

also, why are they purple?

[meager fog]

It's just what I got stuck with at the time lol. Have had horrible luck with Ceska chest pieces and keep forgetting to change the Holster

But it does sort of help with 30% Haz pro when running glass cannon

[hazy steeple]

Countdown should sort that out.
I'm not going to ask what help HazPro is with Glass Cannon, because I don't think my brain can contain the answer.

[worn trout]

can i use piromaniac instead of gunner for dps build

[patent fossil]

perfect glass cannon + vigilance (or perfect vigilance) will get you even more upfront damage

[atomic fog]

what should i choose/optimize?

considering the build from b4

[patent fossil]

yes, gunner isn't essential but some of the buffs (ammo refill, armor on kill, increased rate of fire) do rather help

[hazy steeple]

All the years I've been playing this game, you are the first person I've ever seen to call the colour-blind mode for gearsets "purple".

[atomic fog]

you guys in english call colours in weird ways i swear, i cant remember them all 😭

[hazy steeple]

Blue.

[meager fog]

Eh, mitigates some of the damage you take from being mercilessly set on fire occasionally lol

As I said, I got stuck with it on the chest lol

[worn trout]

lmao

[worn trout]

thanks ill note that

[hazy steeple]

I've gotta be honest, I've never been set on fire enough to want to nerf crit stats.

[atomic fog]

no this is blue 🟦 thats purple 🟪 , or at least in-between

[hazy steeple]

Yeah, the colour there is very clearly blue.

[atomic fog]

lilac

[worn trout]

man is arguing about colorsss damn

[meager fog]

That blue is literally the same colour as the one you posted.... you might be colour blind

[atomic fog]

its lilac

[hazy steeple]

I think you might be colour-blind, not even a joke.

[atomic fog]

light blue

[hazy steeple]

So not purple.

[meager fog]

Yes, both those colours are a light blue

[atomic fog]

just a slight tint of purple

[hazy steeple]

I can see literally no purple in there, I'mma be honest.

[atomic fog]

whn its zoomed out ok? 😭

[hazy steeple]

but then I couldn't see the other colour dress, so

[atomic fog]

nah, i did those tests for fun

[atomic fog]

same, i got the gold white, but its actually black and blue

[meager fog]

but, off topic. I would love to find a glass cannon piece without the Haz pro, it's there by accident lol

And Like I said, I keep forgetting to change the holster...and forgetting it has hazpro on it

[atomic fog]

but back to the topic at hand, what do u think, left one right?

[hazy steeple]

It's actually funny that you found it hard to get a non double red ceska piece, since it's base is Red, it's more likely to drop with red stats.

we call it "rainbow protection", because I regularly break into people's stashes to steal extra Backfires.

It was me, I was the stash bug.

[meager fog]

All mine either drop with headshot and weapon handling or a blue lmao.....if it drops at all....

RNG be RNG

[coral reef]

When I played Division 2 back in the day (first two years), I only had a drone/turret skill build, because exotics were really hard to get. I came back to the game a couple of months ago, and I have...

• basic ass Striker build with Elmo
• red cores Heartbreaker build
• Healing support build (only used it like twice in raids)
• Eclipse Protocol status effect build (my most used and favorite)
• Lengmo Pestilence build (hardest one to put up because unicorn pieces)
• Infinite explosives Hard Wired meme build

what am i missing?

[hazy steeple]

@coral reef The spreadsheet, just make all those builds, and then go through LocalDeck's list, and then iKia's list, but for the last one you're going to need to stay hydrated, them be some looooong videos.

iKia: correct, but dang does he need an editor.

[worn trout]

what yall think of backfire builds

[coral reef]

all of those are from the spreadsheet (except infinite explosives one, don't think is there)

[hazy steeple]

Red FI is a personal favourite of mine, and doesn't get used enough.

Just read the guide carefully.

oh and of course: OD with an LMG or two, +foam chem to proc it.

and Diamondback w/ idk, Aces or something. Go wild.

[silk wadi]

OD + Carnage <3

[coral reef]

this one is interesting, i'm missing a rifle build.

OOHHHH and I almost forgot about the magnum/Regulus headshot build, that one is also really fun

[hazy steeple]

Aces was changed to work with MMR's and Rifles, and most Rifles were made full auto.
It's a potent combo.

[rich cosmos]

Aces needs to be adjusted so it doesn’t keep spamming the sound effect each time

Like I get it my cards are ready

[hazy steeple]

Imagine playing div2 with the sound on.

now if you'll excuse me, I need to rez again, since I couldn't hear the outcast rusher.

[novel ember]

guys do i need to keep this chest named? i have like 8

[shy willow]

No the rolls are trash

Cherished itself just isn't very good

[novel ember]

which one we need for the named one ?

im using this for my snip but the regular one not named

so i need to know if we need the named one or just delete them al

[worn imp]

Does the spike talent turn off if i swap weapons after i proc it?

[patent fossil]

No, the named one has a fixed talent that isn't useful

[shy willow]

Yea

Unless stated otherwise talents deactivate on swap

[novel ember]

how about this guys i have many

[slate wedge]

This is so good i love it.

[subtle bluff]

Bud. I've explained this before to you.
Exotics/Named gear/weapons aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=sharing

Bottom of the guide there's a loot list of things to keep.

[worn imp]

is any talent in this game, staying after weapon swap, actually stated otherwise?

[fast robin]

Yo I got a build that I'm currently using which I don't have a screenshot at my disposal the build is
Striker:Mask, Kneepads,Holster, Gloves
Zero F's vest
Ninjabike Backpack

[subtle bluff]

More context? What about it.

[coral reef]

yo MrChow, what is your fave build?

[subtle bluff]

um.. depends on the content.

I do not have a overall one

[solar sable]

liar!

[coral reef]

c'mon you must have a favorite

[subtle bluff]

I really don't solo, group, carry, leggo

[onyx sage]

i'm not mrchow, but

[coral reef]

can't beat good old ninjabike

[fast robin]

It's a semi dps build

[subtle bluff]

You're posting for what reason now.

[fast robin]

It's the OG

[subtle bluff]

It's a noob trap gear..

[fast robin]

Talking to me?

[subtle bluff]

In general with NBB

[fast robin]

Its the best backpack with any build cause of the armor boost and exotic talent it has

[solar sable]

Bad news, it's not.

[worn trout]

how to get perfect loot i mean full cores and all that

i know i can recalibrate but i can do it only once

[fast robin]

For me it is cause of me preffering sacrificing some DPS for survivability

[worn trout]

for one core

[solar sable]

natural god rolls are pure rng

[worn trout]

so i just need to grind and thats all

[solar sable]

You could've at least removed one striker piece but either way NBB is trash compared to Memento. If you want survivability:

1. Use another build like Heartbreaker.
2. Learn to position yourself in the battlefield whilst being able to shoot but not get shot at.
3. Keep the build, get the right attributes and recalibrate to liking.

[fast robin]

I just prefer it since I'm used to it form the 1st game

[subtle bluff]

Div 1 and 2 are very different games.

[solar sable]

Build wise yeah.

[fast robin]

Ik first one was more fun based now it's all about the perfect build

[subtle bluff]

I'll put it this way. Chest and BP are very powerful. You can't make them up with cores and stats.

There are BP talents that can give you survival better than NBB or it can give your more dmg to use blue cores.

[worn trout]

hfjdlhfjdklahfjdklsayruewifdhjskvcxb

[fast robin]

Ik but atm I'm using what I have since I don't have game pass to play with others I'm limited with what I can grind

[solar sable]

No you're not, Summit exists

[subtle bluff]

NBB simply in PvE will nerf any builds full potential

[coral reef]

Guys, let him have fun with NBB. He will maybe come back later and realize

[subtle bluff]

Ya I'm not telling him to change his build. Just why I call NBB a noob trap.

[solar sable]

Don't limit yourself if you don't have game pass, yea it's a lot of fun to play with others but there are alternatives for us who don't have a sub

[fast robin]

I just play this game to have fun I ain't doing any legendaries or raids rn since I'm still learning the endgame mechanics

[coral reef]

still learning about gear too I like you

[fast robin]

I'm in summer break atm so I can grind a lil more but most of the time I can barely play

[solar sable]

Look, get a ceska vest with obliterate and a grupo bag with Bloodsucker, use that as an alternative. It's way better than Ninjabike whilst having survivability

I have never recommended such build but it keeps you from dying whilst sucking life from enemies

[fast robin]

Is it viable against Hunters?

[coral reef]

He keeps dropping gold

[solar sable]

Nah, in that case Striker bag is a lot more useful, just keep in mind that gearsets in div2 are limited to 4 pieces maximum

[fast robin]

Ik that's what I hate the most I miss the classified gear sets

[solar sable]

there aren't such things like secret 5-6p bonuses lol

Wanna kill Hunters before they kill you? Drop a shock trap where they spawn and empty all your mags with full DPS no survivability on lower difficulties

those mfs hit like a truck at 80mph

[fast robin]

Not if they launch a shit load of skills before you can react

[solar sable]

Just don't trigger them before dropping your shock trap and tada! hunters got hunted

[fast robin]

I usually just spam the EMP sticky mines and they work pretty good

[solar sable]

I haven't tried EMP sticky & Foam chem with hunters

[fast robin]

Well sadly I'm shit at the game and I rely on the reviver hive

[solar sable]

you'll get to a point where rev hive is completely optional

[fast robin]

I miss the striker 6p with the house smg days

@solar sable thanks for the advice my guy I'ma friend you maybe in the future we can play together

[stark flicker]

for elmo's striker should I run memento or striker's bp?

[solar sable]

up to you

[noble star]

Is lengmo worth running for an lmg build or should I swap it for something like providence?

[subtle bluff]

Need more context.

[noble star]

I was running the nbb with lengmo mask and carpenter chest so I could get the 30% lmg damage, should I swap either of those pieces for something else?

[onyx sage]

yes, nbb to something else that has vigilance

[noble star]

Oh vigilance is a good talent?

[onyx sage]

yes...

[subtle bluff]

@noble star watch this clip.

[noble star]

Makes sense I guess

[subtle bluff]

Why guess?

Gaining a new damage number is better than adding to a Damage number you already have.

[noble star]

The nbb seems pretty good for the ability to use 1 piece of a brand set and get the 2pc bonus

[subtle bluff]

But it doesn’t make up for a BP talent.

BP talents are very powerful adding stats and a core do equal to the amount of a talent.

You understand in the clip I posted the non-NBB build had -50% less HSD and did a good amount more.

[subtle bluff]

You also have to remember NBB doesn’t have stats too so you’re having to make those stats up too.

[noble star]

Should I avoid using a brand set for my chestpiece aswell if I’m not using the full brand set?

[scenic briar]

no? not sure where that assumption is coming from

[weary canopy]

new player here just hit 40 and have mainly been using the pestilance and the coyote . looking for a good set gear 4 peice of one to pair with coyote and pestilance . if any1 can suggest any to farm

[noble star]

It’s just wasting the chest talent slot since the brand set talent doesn’t apply unless you’re using all 4 pieces

[scenic briar]

4 pieces? do you mean the green gear sets?

[weary canopy]

yeah

[subtle bluff]

For pesti there is one but you’re new and should farm up everything else before even trying this one.

[onyx sage]

you're mixing up gear set and brand set

[noble star]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

try to be consistent with wording

[scenic briar]

there are very, very few situations where you want to be running fewer than the full 4 pieces of a gear set

but yes, the chest and backpack talents won't do anything if you don't have the 4-piece talent active

[weary canopy]

currently using pestilance. coyote mask, random 4 peice from season track, and foxes prayer .

[solar sable]

Brand Set = High End of brands e.g. Yaahl, Ceska, Grupo...
Gear Set = Strikers, Negotiators, Ongoing Directive...

[weary canopy]

i am looking for a good 4 peice to swap out to pair with pestilance /coyote as the current set i have is for a skill build setup rather than a weapon build

[subtle bluff]

4pc Striker, Chest w/obli or GC and BP w/Vigilance or Unstoppable. Brandset are Ceska and Petrov

[muted field]

Does anyone know a good build for bluescreen? (The lmg)

[subtle bluff]

The only good builds for it IMO is when it’s content that there’s an enough HP or guys to keep the stacks up.
OD, Strikers and Nego work with it.

[cosmic holly]

Yo chat, if I already have DToC should I use CHD or CHC on my gun?
Asking in terms of lmg

[subtle bluff]

We’re a chat now! Always DTTooC for weapons then for LMG it’s CHC.

[cosmic holly]

What if mine is at 51 already

[subtle bluff]

What’s the build?

[cosmic holly]

Pakhan with striker

[subtle bluff]

What else in it?

[cosmic holly]

DW and coyotes

[subtle bluff]

How much is spec into CHC?

[cosmic holly]

Almost none

[subtle bluff]

So one at least.

[cosmic holly]

And still at 51 basic

[subtle bluff]

Also what DW? DW is normally Dark Winter.

[cosmic holly]

God rolled

[subtle bluff]

Can you screenshot your build to make this easier plz

Or

I can say this way CHC is better just because it it’s easier to reroll your gear stats then your weapon.

So w/e CHC you have on your gear turn it into CHD now

[cosmic holly]

Ok

[subtle bluff]

CHC is more on your weapon 9.5 vs your gear at 6.

The more CHD you can have the better DPS you’ll have

[cosmic holly]

Exactly

[shy willow]

Stuff like BLB, finisher, unwavering, sledge stay procced on swap or rely on swapping

[atomic fog]

so like this is a good build? @meager fog

[shy willow]

Get on grupo knees or foxes or slot in coyote and you're golden

And change out Diamondback for an AR tbh

[atomic fog]

thank youu

[atomic fog]

but i could/should optimize the attributes? i can do both right? (while i find those)

im always scared to mess stuff up

[scenic briar]

Ninjabike knees are not a very popular pick, so I wouldn't really bother spending the optimization materials on it

[atomic fog]

but if i wanted i could right? ive got plenty of material

[hazy steeple]

@atomic fog Expertise on gear is basically useless, it's barely a buff on guns as-is.

[atomic fog]

what does Expertise have to do with attributes?

im confused 😭

[scenic briar]

they're talking about optimization, not proficiency/expertise

[atomic fog]

ok thank god, yeah, ahah

[scenic briar]

and you could go ahead and do that, yeah. there's not like a better version of that item that you'd rather have

[hazy steeple]

I mean either way: optimising such a bad Exotic is a waste.

Sorry Azur, but it's the curse of the ninja-prefix.

[atomic fog]

i get that, i just wanted to understand the mechanics

[subtle bluff]

I need to save this as a quote.

Exotics/Named gear/weapons aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[hazy steeple]

If it makes the ninjaknees fans hopeful; they eventually buffed Backfire.

@subtle bluff I keep a server of common quotes to copy+paste, I can highly recommend that.

[subtle bluff]

Ya... I should.

I mean i do with builds.

[hazy steeple]

Well, that and my "blackmail" folder.

[glossy scarab]

finally crafted one with chc chd. now optimizing is killin me

[subtle bluff]

Use a normal one it’s better.

[stark flicker]

Can striker elmo solo legendary?

[solar sable]

oh yeah it can

[stark flicker]

Does it need to have the backpack or does the memento version work?

[solar sable]

afaik both versions work excellent

ask the AveragePlayer.- himself for feedback

[subtle bluff]

Yes. It’s lil less about the prefect build more gameplay.

[stark flicker]

I've also noticed I'm struggling to deal any damage to enemies in countdown it takes over a full mag to do 1 armor bar on challenging but in open world I'm melting enemies on heroic

[scenic briar]

what does your build look like?

[meager fog]

Coyotes in. Knee pads in bin.

Get striker kneepads and St Elmos with a secondary AR/LMG with Strained or Killer and you're golden.

[quasi crescent]

wondering if someone can give me advice for a nemesis build?

[coral reef]

Just made the "Diamondback Dilemma" build from the spreadsheet. Its ridiculous, every bullet is a 5M crit. Why is this not the meta? Feel like I broke the game, no stacks, no skills needed, just crit all the time😱

And im not even using it with glass canon, I hate that talent

[solar sable]

nemesis isn't meant to be a primary weapon so...

[solar sable]

skill issue

[onyx sage]

i can't use glass cannon, i die in 1 shoot

[loud pine]

unbreakable’s number 1 fan

[hard sapphire]

I am having an inspirational theorycrafting block. Does anybody have any wild, unconventional build I can work on min/maxing?

I haven't tried many armour builds.

[meager fog]

HH hits constant 30m headshots without aiming at heads

[meager fog]

I use it by force on my DPS because I can't find an oblit chest 🤣🤣

Once you get used to hiding it's not so bad lol nightmare in solo play though

[scenic briar]

Oxpecker is pretty unconventional, but I've been enjoying it as a run-and-gun alternative. 4x Striker with backpack, Exodus gloves, Ceska Obliterate chest, reroll for one blue core

the trick is to not try to facetank enemies with it, but just use it to protect yourself while you're emptying a mag

get used to quickly undeploying the shield and popping back into cover, or ideally find tall cover that you can reload behind without having to toggle the shield

[hard sapphire]

I just returned this season after a long while off, so I will explore what Expecker even is. Ty.

[scenic briar]

exotic MP7 that heals your shield based on damage dealt, but also consumes the shield at a rate of 10%/sec

[hard sapphire]

Oh neat. Kinda sounds like Devils Due build.

[scenic briar]

so it actually favors a weaker shield where you can outdamage the shield loss ticks, but you don't want to make it so weak that it breaks the moment an enemy looks at you

[subtle bluff]

It's sad that they nerf MP7 into the ground..

[hard sapphire]

I am not sure how to test this so I thought I would ask here. Does anybody know off hand how many pellets is in one shot of the backup boomstick? Like is Fast Hands a decent choice for talent? (assuming I have a max crit hit build).

[subtle bluff]

8

[subtle bluff]

Do you have system corruption mats too?
Not much it’s a PvP set and it’s not good really anymore the meta kind counters it now.

Does nothing for PvE. You don’t get normal armor kits anymore and PvE fight last longer.

Did you loot a bunch of them and decon for it?

[pure tusk]

Just hit endgame. Looking for advice on where i can find a good build guide. I do pve and like dps.

From what I’ve seen online a st Elmo’s build is the best to follow? I see different specializations on it though?

[hoary sail]

look the spreadsheet here #td2-build-advice message

[pure tusk]

Thank you

[hoary sail]

an advise go to the FAQ section in the sheet if you are new to the endgame. Goodluck Agent

[pure tusk]

Thanks so much!

[atomic fog]

Omg that’s insane man, what are those gloves and exo weapon?

[atomic fog]

Thank youu, what if I wanted to get Chameleon instead of St. Elmo’s?

[hoary sail]

St elm is better than Chameleon because no need to stack weapon talent much than Chameleon

[atomic fog]

I see thanks, also is the build good for pvp too or only pve?

Damn

[patent fossil]

Other than the gloves (which would traditionally be contractors), it's pretty much the old standard dps build, before strikers got buffed. Still preferred in raids, at least in some areas.

Formerly known as 'full meta jacket'

[coral reef]

Ah yes, the "bonus xp event farm" build. Isn't that one actually breaking the game? as in Massive has tried to correct the talent but the community loves it so much they wont allow it.

[hazy steeple]

MSV are no strangers to killing off something beloved if they need to.

they are very aware of Determind's issues and I'm sure there's decisions being made on how to deal with it.

[coral reef]

I would leave it just as it is, with some conditions:

• If you get hit, talent is off
• If you miss a shot, talent is off
• if you use a shield or any skill, talent is off
• If you hide in cover, talent is off
• Add the same penalty damage (for you) as Glass Cannon

ultimate gunslinger high risk high reward talent

as for now yeah, it's god mode

[stark flicker]

I've found ox pairs really well with hunter's fury and unstoppable force I personally run catharsis, grupo bp with uf, 4pc hf 1 piece rolled blue

Minors are chc if you need any then chd

[atomic fog]

is damage to armor a good attribute?

[coral reef]

Yes and no. Damage to target out of cover is the absolute best of them all

[hazy steeple]

It's good, but one important thing to note: it only works on enemies if they have a white bar over their health.
Normally, you want "damage to target out of cover" on a gun.

[atomic fog]

ye ye i know what armor is 😭 , thanks tho

[shy willow]

It's good to make a distinction because people assume DTA also applies to things like warhounds and chungas

[coral reef]

In Division 1 Damage to Armor was the best right? if i remember correctly

[hazy steeple]

We like to refer to those as "plates", or "plating". It helps distinguish.
Think of "armor" as a kind of shield they have.

[atomic fog]

ah ok

ok ok

[shy willow]

That and damage to elites

[atomic fog]

thanks guys

so basically as attribute i want dmg out of cover otherwise i can trash it

unless the other cores are high

[hazy steeple]

As LMG's have it by default, you have some options.
I'm a big supporter of CHC (crit chance), but DtA and fire-rate are both popular too.

[atomic fog]

i see

[slate wedge]

i love crit chance as a backup weapon for an smg

[meager fog]

I have CHD on my secondary LMG. Only comes out for the Chungas and irritating bosses but slaps them for 1.4m per hit once Strained ramps up

[meager fog]

I fully expect it to be fixed....as Perfect Determined requires you to hit a headshot each time to proc, where as the standard Determined doesn't it just stays active forever

So there's obviously an issue with it...

Its just how much they want to upset the player base over an almost 8 year old game

[shy willow]

It was changed to match how perfect determined, everyone cried about it, then it was reverted

[meager fog]

Case in point.

Don't upset the player base of an old game 🤣

[meager fog]

Mostly good suggestions, but you can't use a shield with an MMR anyway so thats moot.

And turning it off when you use cover would negate the entire point of being a Headhunter lol.

It should turn off if you miss, and if you take damage though

[coral reef]

No cover, all out run and gun 1-shot killing machine. If any of this conditions happen, cooldown 60 seconds.

[patent fossil]

Then it would be useless for mmrs and people would just use it with 1886.
I'll just restate my previous suggestion of giving it a really short uptime, like 3s or so, so you have to keep spamming shots

[slate wedge]

chd is pretty bad, especially paired with strained

only good ones to use are rof, dta and chc

[slim lantern]

Do I need 6 gear pieces with skill tier when I'm using technician or does the 7th one stack I'm new to skill builds so take it easy on me lol

I'm using refractor with waveform and capacitor if that helps

[patent fossil]

If you're running technician then you don't need 6 tiers on your gear, the 7th is just wasted

[slim lantern]

Ok cool ty I was gonna change one of the pieces to armor for alittle more survivability even though I'm using refractor I'm low shd level and my pieces are not maxed out yet

Should I use security link or assault link

[slim lantern]

2 piece Hana u or waveform

O wait nvm

[meager fog]

As with alot its what I got on it. It's served me well so far. If a CHC one drops, I'll use that

[atomic fog]

sorry, is it better to donate or decon gear?

i dunno if i already asked, if so sorry

[coral reef]

• Extract talents and everything else you can extract
• Donate to expertise
• Deconstruct everything else

in that order

[atomic fog]

so talents b4 attributes?

[meager fog]

Unless you NEED resources.

As a rule. Only extract max attributes

[atomic fog]

depends on the attribute i guess

ok ok

[meager fog]

If the attribute isn't max, extract the talent.

If you dont need the talent, donate to expertise.

[atomic fog]

thanks big man

love ya

so like, someting like this,, should i keep or bin?

[coral reef]

is that the camera or the HDR on your screen?

[atomic fog]

hdr

so keep or trash, to understand the method to the (madness)

[onyx sage]

the ideal AR has dttooc and a good talent. for this one, unless you plan to reroll the dta to dttooc and use it, you would trash it/extract to library/donate to expertise

[atomic fog]

oke

[meager fog]

Extract the talent, for your library

[atomic fog]

oke

btw @meager fog i got the chamelion in summit looking for st elmos, if i were looking for chameleon i would have gotten st e. instead 4 sure

this game smells fear, i know it

i can find st elm. there right?

[coral reef]

The Chameleon is amazing, use it in the meantime

you will be drowning in Elmos in no time, it's the game favourite gun to give out

[atomic fog]

niice, thank youu guys

yes im enoying it very much

[meager fog]

Chameleon is meh.

The stacks are awkward to navigate and require too much effort to keep up. The saving grace of the gun is it hits like a damn laser

[atomic fog]

for exos, is the attribute always the same or did i get unlucky with rate of fire?

[meager fog]

Third attribute is random. It can be reconfigured

[atomic fog]

ok ok, i thought exos were different for the last attribute

[meager fog]

Dttooc is what you want on pretty much any weapon

[atomic fog]

i need to extract it from another chameleon i guess right?

bruh i cant type for sheet

[patent fossil]

You can't recalibrate or extract from exotics

[atomic fog]

dorky lied

[patent fossil]

You change the third stat by reconfiguring them at the crafting bench

But it's random

[atomic fog]

how could youuuuu

[meager fog]

No, exotics get reconfigured.

When you first find an exotic, you should also unlock the blueprints for reconfigure from the girl sat next to the crafting bench

[atomic fog]

i should try with this one?

[atomic fog]

i see

[meager fog]

No, because it's expensive and Chameleon is just a bad AR in general.

[atomic fog]

what

[meager fog]

Talk to the girl next t9 the bench

You need to buy the blueprint

[atomic fog]

no

pple scare me

just to understand, then how do i recon?

im scared

[patent fossil]

It uses resources and rerolls all three stats on the item, potentially making them worse. It's usually safest to get a second copy and only reconfigure whichever is worse

[atomic fog]

ahhh

oke, thank you very much

thank god i favourited it or id be crying

[meager fog]

Just to clarify the first 2 stats are always the same. But could be lower or higher rolls.

The third stat might change to something else

[atomic fog]

yes yes, thanks

well at least its maxed ahah

[eager viper]

Centurion holster. Am I able to farm that if I didn’t get it from the season track? I read it drops in countdown if u got it from the season. Never played that season. Couple days in farming countdown and nothing so far

[coral reef]

Im sorry but your game looks like that all the time? Can you please try disabling HDR and see the difference? 🙏

[atomic fog]

ahah man, its only 4 the screenshot, i could never play like that

in game is normal

[limpid niche]

what gun pairs well for ouro with striker? (not interested in ACS)

[meager fog]

Pretty much anything with high DPS or a decent pellet count goes well....take your pick

[meager fog]

Once a season finishes the rewards enter the general loot pool

[eager viper]

Ok. Just bad luck then. I’ll keep trying.

[meager fog]

As a wise fish once said:

Just keep swimming

[subtle bluff]

It's not bad in general. Just has 2 cons but it is only of the Highest DPS weapons in the game but comes at a cost.

[atomic fog]

duplicate exo should be still donated or is decon better for the materials?

[coral reef]

Donate it for the expertise, if you plan to use that exotic in the long run. So you can upgrade its levels later. Or deconstruct if you're not interested in it at all

[atomic fog]

okk

[coral reef]

Thing is, you are going to want the expertise levels in the future, and also you're going to need those exotic materials in the future.

[subtle bluff]

no no no no. Exo decon for exo materials!

Exo Components are really needed in the end.

I can burn thru 200 easily right now.

[coral reef]

But you're burning through them because... you probably are high expertise level

[subtle bluff]

even at 16 exp. The point is you want them.

[coral reef]

true

[subtle bluff]

It is not worth donating them.

[atomic fog]

oke

[coral reef]

yeah for exotics is better to upgrade them via materials or good old gameplay

[meager fog]

Comes at the cost of being more irritating to use I guess

[limpid niche]

anyone know if the Slingshot competes with ARs on an SMG obliterate striker? (ARs in the same build, not an AR obliterate)

[coral reef]

I wanna create more builds but i'm officially out of optimization materials now. I just made the "Diamondback Dilemma" from the Spreadsheet last night, it's amazing. So far, I have:

(all of them maxed out)

• Skill drone and turret build, my first one
• Basic striker, never use it
• One Shot pistol build
• Eclipse Protocol , my favorite
• Diamondback Dilemma
• Infinite explosives meme build
• Healer
• Lengmo Pestilence build
• Ouroboros Hunter's Fury build

What should I build next?

[grizzled garnet]

hotshot white death or a 1886 yee haw build

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't. RPM wins

[grizzled garnet]

similarly... why is there a shotty with brazen on the 1886 sniper build?

[patent fossil]

for up close damage

[grizzled garnet]

im guessing that the shotgun does good damage even without chc/chd

[solar sable]

with max HH stacks it's a beauty

[grizzled garnet]

hmmm

i'll grab a shotty out of my stash. im sure i got a few

[subtle bluff]

8 Pellet going into something

[patent gull]

How does 4 piece striker, ceska chest piece with Glass cannon sound and coyote mask?

[subtle bluff]

works

[solar sable]

oxi, hh/hhf, mortar , HE DPS

[solar sable]

awesome

[onyx sage]

in a pixie land with unicorns and rainbows yes

[coral reef]

what is hh/hhf chief?

[onyx sage]

headhunter/headhunter's fury, the build i run in this clip

[grizzled garnet]

the m870 a requirement?

[onyx sage]

m870 or spas, everything else just worse

[grizzled garnet]

hehhehehe

[patent gull]

Betttttttttt

[meager fog]

As a wise fat man once said:

"POW, Right in the kisser"

[onyx sage]

yeah shotgun hh is very busted

it's actually better now since we have buffed accuracy mods which tightens the spread even further, but this only applies to m870. spas doesn't get accuracy mods

[grizzled garnet]

this looks like the peak i can get in terms of accuracy

[onyx sage]

yeah, 60% accuracy, and you get more if you run weapon handling on your build too

[grizzled garnet]

:3

[coral reef]

Memento would also work right? another yellow core for your shield

[grizzled garnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx sage]

beautiful, basically how i run it besides white death instead of 1886

i would also double check to see if you have 150% hsd on your m870, most likely yes but idk how high your stats are

[grizzled garnet]

yep

[kindred mango]

Blue and yellow but I run Memento with HF a fair bit

[grizzled garnet]

is there a list of skill mods that are and arent worth keeping?

[stark flicker]

would y'all reroll this elmo for dtooc?

[patent fossil]

maybe get a second one to reroll so you can use that in the meantime without risking losing the max damage rolls

[atomic fog]

1 shot pistol??

@meager fog you'll be happy to see this

[coral reef]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNLiB-SZH-LChI9gE18q-PdYGqHac4Gep9UQVUtg0as/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.rwk7sa35vic3

[atomic fog]

damn

[lost wren]

i'm noticing that a lot of the optimization materials are super expensive with the materials needed to craft them, especially shade calibration

what's the best way to farm materials? like carbon fiber, ceramics, steel, polycarbonate, stuff like that

[solar sable]

decon stuff you get that's trash

[lost wren]

is that really all? just farm junk to deconstruct?

[solar sable]

that and daily LZ routes between con points

[lost wren]

lz?

[onyx sage]

light zone, basically anywhere that's not pvp

[lost wren]

oh so just what i've usually been doing with control point farming

i do get quite a lot of materials through that, but 500 carbon fiber and 500 ceramics for 5 shd calibration is insane

[hexed steppe]

dont craft shd calibrations, those are cheaper to use scavenging points on. field recon data drops from control points completion. the rest of the opt items you usually craft.
one good spot to hit daily is solar farm cp and the area between it and either of the adjacent control points. there is a ton of assorted mat cases. it refreshes daily, and can be run 4 times daily if you have all alts made

[lost wren]

yeah ik that route
and also yeah that makes sense

[vivid steppe]

Does anyone have a good build with the stinger hive In it?

[hexed steppe]

why, yes i do

[vivid steppe]

Bet ty

[hexed steppe]

if you dont have the unicorn grupo/sacrifice, 3 empress/btsu/china/wyvern is easy to farm

[hushed gorge]

Shotgun builds with Streamline may be the worst toxic build i have ever seen in pvp😭

[subtle bluff]

Ya there was a small time where people ran double barrel and ya..

[shy willow]

doof doof

[meager fog]

Nice. Shame about that third roll

[atomic fog]

Yeah

[strong cave]

There was a time when the brazen swappable talent glitch plagued the DZ... Oh wait that wasn't that long ago 💀

[strong cave]

Somebody show this man a bonk build

[zenith plover]

Need your help as to where can i farm those faction optimization materials, i have very few and i dunno where to farm them?

[subtle bluff]

Ya... That's when I did +20mill per pellet to Lovebirds... God I wish one us in the party clipped.

[subtle bluff]

Gonna be honest this question is better asked in #ask-td2-community or #td2-general-chat

next time.

[strong cave]

You need to kill named enemies for the materials of factions

[zenith plover]

Thanks

[strong cave]

I believe this only applies to Bounties/Bosses and Summit

[strong cave]

Was super cheesy. Slap brazen on, get max stacks, swap the talent off for optimist, and it stayed. DZ server fighting gave me hella PTSD with all the shotguns. Deadlier than bonk builds

For Speedrun strats I can see it being absolute pleasure doing that 😂

[worn trout]

which is better (i can optimize the second one so attributes are full but not the main one)

im doing striker dps build

[patent fossil]

I would say reconfigure one of them a couple of times and see if you can get one close to max on all attributes

[worn trout]

okay thanks

is it good now?

also should i reroll st elmo engine

[patent fossil]

Better yeah.
For st elmo you ideally want dtooc as the third stat, so yes reroll it, but bear in mind it might take quite a few rolls to get the right stat.

[coral reef]

Reading here about the Catalyst mask talents (don't have it yet)... seems like it would work great with the Eclipse Protocol/Scorpion build? and replace the Vile Mask?

[thorny solstice]

@vestal marlin couldnt post screen on Descent channel.
up to 40 i dont play with unhinged, but thats personal choice.
FAL is my fav AR with bullet hell, absolute laserbeam.
Assault turret is just better version of decoy.
On 50+ enemies are more spongy and deal insane damage. Its like playing red perfect glass cannon on legendary.
Envy talent pool has more potential for higher loop imo.

[vestal marlin]

Ty!

[worn imp]

Does BigHorn have a chance to drop at non-boss floors in legendary summit?

[shy willow]

I'm not sure if it's been exactly mathed out but the extra tick from vile probably is more valuable

[coral reef]

Ticks from my Vile are "optimized" they hit for like 120.000 per second, because I have the Demolitionist spec (Concussion grenade). But I think the bonus for the Catalyst are really nice. More damage for status effects, more damage and reload speed for my weapon (Scorpio)... I'm gonna farm it and try it, it sounds very good on paper

I know the general veredict is that the Catalyst is not worth it over Vile, but it sounds so good!

And if I use the Catalyst (red core, more damage for Scorpio), i can switch to Technician (more skill damage)... I think i'm cooking something here

[shy willow]

The thing is the only ep build it'd slot into is one for fire but on that you probably want firewall for the burn duration

Bag amps the vile ticks separately too iirc

[coral reef]

yeah, they are also amplified by the status effect attributes

God I can' wait to get home and farm for the mask, I think it will work nicely on the Eclipse build

24% weapon damage (scorpio) + 24% status effects + 25% bonus armor on kill + 20% reload speed on kill (scorpio).... AAAAH IM GOING CRAZY HERE. Catalyst sounds like it was custom made for the Eclipse Protocol gearset + Scorpio

[vestal ibex]

For vile? Wat?

Vile increases based on explosion damage and the EP bag increases all damage done to a status effected enemy. Your status effect attributes do nothing to contribute to vile being higher.

[coral reef]

Am I misreading the mask description? Also, what do you think about what I'm saying about the Catalyst mask + EP build? It could work right?

[elfin tusk]

Hello any advice for dps and regen?

[vestal ibex]

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't remember that part of it anywhere. I mean it wouldn't matter much cause you'd have status on anyway and it's only used because it's more damage than putting on a brand with more status effect. I don't think anything about catalyst tbh.

[patent fossil]

Memento

[elfin tusk]

okay and guns to replace?

[patent fossil]

Up to you, backfire does give top dps if you can deal with the bleed

[coral reef]

Any SMG works very good with Hunter's Fury. I prefer Lady Death for the Sonic speed on kill, and switch to Ouroboros if things get serious (rogue agents, hunters)

[meager fog]

As with any game.

Its a pendulum, on one side you have DPS...on the other you have Survivability.

You cant have one without sacrificing the other.

With that in mind.

Basic DPS build is Coyotes Mask, Ceska Obliterate talent Chest with 4 pc strikers.

All red core, all with Crit Chance attributes and mods until you hit 50-55%....and then everything should be stacked into crit damage.

The caveat, as with all DPS builds, is that you are squishy like a marshmallow.

But dead enemies cant shoot back.

Div2 is a weird one for this, the more armour and Survivability you add....the harder the game gets.

[glossy scarab]

for a survivable build with decent DPS just use 4pc strikers, palisades chest w obliterate, and memento. 2 armors total. 3 if you want, it'll probably still work. i can just run around fairly haphazardly with all that bonus armor coming in and battles get done quick when its close enough quarters to just run directly at the enemies one by one.

[stark flicker]

is eagle's grasp good

[glossy scarab]

can be useful, mostly if you're already using another piece of that brand set for a rifle build. but it also works as some extra weapon handling and a 15% mag size boost. or 10% i dont know

[stark flicker]

15%

[subtle bluff]

Having that much AoK with Memento imo isn’t needed unless you’re doing directives.

[glossy scarab]

yeah true. ceska is fine

[subtle bluff]

It’s good but there are better choices most of the time.

[stark flicker]

I got one with max core and max chc but ended up chucking it to improve my library chc from 3% to 6%

[grizzled garnet]

I run with with hsd on my yee haw 1886 determined build but thats it

[glossy scarab]

I once tried it along with 2 other pieces of that gearset to get the 30% weapon handling bonus with some other stability or accuracy bonus brands to see if i could make the merciless feel any good

[coral reef]

Yo MrChow, what do you think about Catalyst Mask replacing Vile... in an Eclipse Protocol Builld + Scorpio

[subtle bluff]

Vile is just built for EP status effect.
Cata you'd lose Skill Teir.

[coral reef]

But then I would use Technician! I know im cooking something here, let me farm for the thing and will report later

[subtle bluff]

If you're trying to do mission speeds doing EP and Lady Death maybe.

Firewall is BiS because of Burn Duration.

[coral reef]

But Technician gives me +10% Skill Damage, highest tick damage! I need that mask yesterday to run tests

[meager fog]

I would hasten to say...this game is nearly 8 years old.

There are thousands of people who's sole occupation at this point is testing EVERYTHING and pushing all builds to their limit.

If it's not already listed as a build, it's likely because it doesn't work or it's worse than anything else.

[coral reef]

the mask is just 2 months old, people were quick to dismiss it because its weird... but it seems like it would work so good with what im saying!

[subtle bluff]

Skill Dmg only scales off of initial damage from Skills. Duration is really good ot have.

[meager fog]

Not judging.

2 months in game time is ALOT of time for a build or change to enter circulation.

Its normally found out within a few hours

[subtle bluff]

Try it out I am not saying don't try it.

Just losing another DOT is less dmg.

[coral reef]

lose the Vile dot but win: 24% weapon damage (scorpio) + 24% status effects + 25% bonus armor on kill + 20% reload speed on kill (scorpio)

[coral reef]

and this is just the mask, now add the benefits of Eclise protocol + backpack

[subtle bluff]

Try it

I've stated the facts other than the numbers

[coral reef]

I will give you the full report after I get it 🫡 And i'm still hunting the Lengmo unicorn chest piece for my Pestilence, thank you for the recommendation

[inner rock]

merciless is goated

but it do need a buff

[hazy steeple]

That's a Ruthless opinion right there.

[echo drift]

was the durability of the striker drone nerfed? on my refactor build it seems when i send my drone into the backlines, it dies really fast. i recall old turret drone builds where the drones can literally loiter in the enemy backline and actually last long.

[wispy hollow]

You running glass cannon on chest by any chance ?

[echo drift]

hana - u chest and force multiplier backpack

hmm maybe the high end turret drone build has the empress set? 10% skill health will make a difference?

[wispy hollow]

I meant what's the talent on your chest ? Hana u is the brand.

[echo drift]

kinetic momentum

[subtle bluff]

GC doesn’t affect your skills.

[subtle bluff]

Nothing has changed. Depending on what faction you’re going against too is a factor. Difficulty of course too.

[wispy hollow]

Doesnt the increased damage taken effect skills as well ?

[subtle bluff]

For incoming I meant sorry,

[wispy hollow]

Wait when did this change or was this never a thing and incoming only affected the agent and not their skills ?

[silk wadi]

I mean it says "All damage YOU take is amplyfied" :D

[strong cave]

Catalyst mask is ass, at best. You need to get status effects within 15 meters. Which is quite close. Killing any status effected enemy will actually remove stacks. How and why? It relies on people being status effected to get the % bonuses. Replacing vile on a SE build is redundant. You lose out on a skill core attribute and you lose out on 20% on burn duration. Which is quite a lot especially for status effects. Even in higher difficulty content, a vile tick and EP will do more than catalyst could ever dream of doing. Not even OD, Scorpio, Bluescreen, Iron Lung, and EMP Jammer can keep catalyst proc'd

Figured I'd share this to prevent you wasting time

Tux and DJ Tickle both showcased Catalyst and it struggled to perform no matter what kind of build was thrown at it

[subtle bluff]

You mean most content creators…

[strong cave]

Tux happens to target the casuals, and well, DJ Tickle is a number cruncher like us and knows what's good and what's not. He's a more tame Dod Regnbue if I had to give him a label 😂

[worn mango]

iKia said it best in my opinion. In an ideal world it's worse than all other options

People really wanna make all exotics viable but sometimes it's just not worth it

[strong cave]

iKia is the #1 man to follow. There's a problem if Tux is saying "yeah don't use it"

[worn mango]

The mask to compete with Coyote's is going to be Tinkerer and even then it's a cost-benefit analysis. If the second talent on a normal HE gun outweigh what Vile, Coyote, Catharsis do then awesome. If not, it's not needed

Which then limits you because you can't use exotics or named items too

(Assuming it's not broken and you can just use named items or double up like they were in the PTS)

[strong cave]

Flatline and Sadist are about to go crazy. Or streamlined and optimist

[worn mango]

I think utility talents are going to be good too

[strong cave]

I can see killer + preservation being used for sure

[wispy hollow]

Or Sadist and Killer with OD set

[strong cave]

I'd rather take Sadist and Streamlined

[worn mango]

Killer/Measured, Flatline/Killer/Measured, Sadist/Vindictive, Sadist/Pressure Point

[strong cave]

Measured is ass

[wispy hollow]

If streamline is secondary weapon talent and you use skill, does that disable it or its still enabled and not counted since its inherited ?

[strong cave]

Trading up a whopping 25% damage at the first half of the mag and RPM

[worn mango]

You'd have to think that's the logic

[subtle bluff]

It’s when skills aren’t cool down or deployed. The wording in right in game. Patch Note they added on to it.

[wispy hollow]

This is Div 2 we are talking about 😂

[strong cave]

For rn, we don't know. But we can only hope that's what will happen. It would be a tragedy if ubisoft dropped it and it was bugged

it'll likely happen

[worn mango]

Measured is great because higher RPM actually makes things more accurate and it's not on kill, it's always on

There's no upkeep to the talent

[strong cave]

At the cost of 25% of weapon damage

[wispy hollow]

Fast Hands could work too with crit talents

[worn mango]

But we have so much weapon damage anyway

[strong cave]

Not really. Everything is power creeped now to the point the only viable PvE builds for clearing content quickest is Striker/Hotshot/Heart breaker

And for pvp it's Regen, umbra and high end. Which requires the best stat attributes and bonuses

[patent fossil]

OD and nego also very strong

In pve anyway

[strong cave]

These too, but in all content the go to builds would be the 3 I mentioned. I love OD and Nego tho so they are okay to include

[worn mango]

The only things that out burst Measured is Active Sadist, Active Perfect Frenzy, Active Killer and Active Streamline. Frenzy is jank, Sadist is on kill, streamline is limiting and killer is also on kill

It's a very good set it and forget it talent

[strong cave]

Meanwhile measured erases half your magazine's damage by 25% for just a slight 25% more fire rate

Which is negligible considering just taking a Famas with Optimist gives you more yield gain as opposed to loss with measured

There's a reason nearly nobody recommends measured on PvE and PVP

[worn mango]

Literally iKia lol

[strong cave]

Division isn't just a shooter game, it's a math game

[worn mango]

Lexi Measured is 12.795M, Lexi Optimist averaged is 12.312M

It's small, but if we're talking in truths, it's better