td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

Fair. It's hard to balance that build because the Fire needs status effect for it to do good dmg

If it had it's own like decoy to bring things into it sure

[noble star]

True but artificers not doing much in comparison to having a drone do damage or the stinger hive

[candid talon]

I dunno man, I'll take your word for it. When I want a burn build I go for Vile EP

With survivalist to have nade constantly reapply lefty

[noble star]

I’m willing to give the artificer a try and see if it helps 👍

[candid talon]

As long as you're having fun and not massively struggling, you're doing great.

Struggling will make things unfun fast.

[subtle bluff]

Are your stats Skill Dmg?

[noble star]

Status effect

I’m thinking i put them back to skill dmg so the drone can do more damage too

[subtle bluff]

Like I said it becomes weird balance

What's the build your using?

[noble star]

4pc exuro, Caesar’s guard, and catalyst exotic mask

Only the Caesar’s has skill dmg

Does the btsu gloves have a cooldown on how often you can break it?

[onyx sage]

yes, in the talent description

[noble star]

That’s a whole 2 minutes you can’t use the special feature of the exotic?

[sudden cloak]

It isn't really that long

[obtuse jacinth]

Yo quick question i just hit lvl 40 and i am trying to use a specific handgun (Survivalist D50) but when i am trying to equip it the game doesnt let me and i get no warnings or whatever

any ideas?

[hazy steeple]

@obtuse jacinth You need to have the specific Specilisation Tree active if you want to use its specific sidearm, in that one's case: Survivalist.

[obtuse jacinth]

oh i see thx

and how can i figure out which tree it is in each case like this one?

[hazy steeple]

If you open your inventory, the weapon up the very top (minigun/grenade launcher/rocket launcher/flamethrower/giant sniper rifle/crossbow) is the active one.

[obtuse jacinth]

thx a lot man still new to this thing 😄

[shy willow]

And it's still a staple for support builds lol, even with the cooldown it's broken

[sudden maple]

Thanks buddy 🙏🙏🙏

[subtle bluff]

Why Catalyst?

[forest trail]

can you still get the harvest?

@hazy steeple still just from the loot goblin?

ty

but it seems like they nerfed it

it doesn't give a guaranteed name everytime you kill it
yikes

[hazy steeple]

It does give a guaranteed named item, in fact it scales with difficulty now, so the higher it is, the more you get, capping out at Heroic of course.

It also includes all the Holiday Items AFAIK, so xmas/easter/summer, etc.

[onyx sage]

i think it's been disabled as of the most recent patch

[patent fossil]

Yup, goblin isn't dropping seasonal items this week

[lapis stratus]

Isit possible to build a decent pve headhunter regulus shield build with memento

Thinking of Punch Drunk,Chainkiller(or IA headhunter chestpiece),Foxes knees ,Memento then rest either IA or some pistol/headshot related buff gearset

obviously not for legendaries,just day to day content

[versed summit]

Yeah. You can do it with chainkiller, punch drunk and 3 pc IA.

It’s quite strong

[lapis stratus]

so all red i assume

[patent fossil]

Or just hunters fury, memento, chainkiller

[lapis stratus]

or i forgoe sharpshooter and go technician to get t3 shield and just leave it at that

[patent fossil]

Can do tech with bulwark shield and artificer for more defense or firewall and striker shield for the damage amp

[lapis stratus]

Yeah im leaning towards mostly just using the pistol more than everything else really

like the generic riot shield build basically

probably swap to shotgun /sniper to crack armour

[forest trail]

On the pistol builds you are just gonna use thr pistol generally

You can use some shotguns ncz they are broken with headhunter too

[subtle bluff]

I mean HHF is used leggo for speedruns.

[lapis stratus]

IG but my intention is more of playing more like a bruiser shield build with a regulus and a decently strong shield

[onyx sage]

hh really thrives a lot more on all red anyway even on these lower difficulties

but the thing is that same all red works even on legendary

once your aim game is up you never needed the blues

[hoary valve]

do you guys know any builds for darkzones?

i have bighorn but do i run it with stiker

[noble star]

The status effect boost mainly, but I think I should probably switch it out since it seems to be more geared toward weapon damage

[cerulean smelt]

Catalyst wants you to inflice status effects on others but really inflict status effects on yourself for faster stacking

[inner rock]

ehhh, almost.

[sudden cloak]

Roll it red core and call it good

[inner rock]

but its not perfect for what im looking for tbh, weirdly enough, i would accept skill haste too with hs damage

but weapon handling with hs dmg what im mostly looking for

and headhunter

[sudden cloak]

I know, but I'd take it as temp piece

[subtle bluff]

All 3 of mine I got with it health. Meh.

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, as long you got the headshot dmg and talent it's fine to just roll it red

[subtle bluff]

My surprise I got one of them out of proficiency cache.

[inner rock]

ok i guess this one saved the night lmao

crafted it btw

[sudden cloak]

I figured you crafted it just by looking at the rolls

Crafting bench notorious for low rolls

[solar sable]

thing is expensive to optimize 😖

[inner rock]

it really is but getting one like that isnt really that easy

so i rather take it and optimize it

[zenith plover]

whats a good 1886 rifle build??

[merry nest]

For your bighorn do you run headshot or damage out of cover roll?

[sudden cloak]

Dttoc

[subtle bluff]

Need to be more specific when asking.

[zenith plover]

sorry i mean 1 shot 1886 for farming

[subtle bluff]

Chainkiller, 3pcs breakingpoint, foxes and fill in the rest w/e

[inner rock]

just chainkiller and vigi with hs dmg is enough 98% of the time

[merry nest]

What's the bighorn build for pvp right now? I see gilaguard and belstone with the murakami knees and catharsis

[subtle bluff]

Issues for newer players if that don't understand how play with HH stacks. I normally don't suggest rifle 1shots they normally find it on there own.

[zenith plover]

would hunter's fury also be viable as a 1 shot build for 1886?

[subtle bluff]

It's way I run it normally

[merry nest]

👀

[subtle bluff]

Search it here or go to #td2-pvp-discussions

[merry nest]

Thanks

[stark flicker]

for descent what is the highest possible rpm?

[stark flicker]

did the math it's 3240

[mellow tree]

Okay chat, I have some ideas for a build but I wanted to run it by you guys first before I farmed for it. It’s based on using Acosta or BTSU Gloves for overcharge and the mortar turret

Is this me being insane or could it work out kinda?

[stark flicker]

if you do btsu gloves you're forced into running hive as your other skill but acosta could be decent you'd give up on having a good backpack talent though so it's a question of do you want no choice on a skill or no choice on a backpack

[mellow tree]

My other choice of backpack would be ninja bike, so I could run just 1 grupo instead of 2, but then I don’t know what else to run besides China Light and maybe a Wyvern Wear

[vital smelt]

Trying to make a one shot raid build for razorback for the weak points and for 2nd bosses, What is a good build??

[urban latch]

You pretty much just stack with the rav. 5 left, 1 right, 6 left, 1 right, then pull out your pistol as the weak points open and take your shot. Rav, DCH, and a high base damage pistol like 636 magnum is all you need

[stark dawn]

What is the opinion regarding the Harvest there? I still used it recently, but heard some complaining about the damage fall-off with distance.

[subtle bluff]

All pistol don't have great optimal range.

[stark dawn]

I think if you just try equipping the Harvest and hover over say a D50, the difference in distance fall-off is quite significant.

[subtle bluff]

Ok I'll say this way. Why are you taking a shot from that far away.

[stark dawn]

Just by being the positions in the back. In my last group I have to also proc a specific Coyote’s so cannot be at any distance (even though I was not the person complaining, to note).

[subtle bluff]

I've never heard anyone complain about specific harvest and distance.

I mean I'm just reading what you've wrote.

[subtle bluff]

I'm so lost. We're talking about pistol fall and now coyote?

Crits for pistols should never matter.

[stark dawn]

Yes, stacking for the BLB Striker TAC-50 Razorback. Coyote’s doesn’t care about crit, just the last (damaging) hit’s distance.

[subtle bluff]

0.o

You need to put all the context of your question together.

[stark dawn]

Did not mean to spam the build-advice, this is quite specific, just curious if people have had similar positions and different preference regarding pistols.

[stark dawn]

For time-sensitive opening of the Razorback for one-shotting, I heard back add-control person have complained the weakpoint only being partially damaged, due to Harvest damage fall-off.

[subtle bluff]

To be simple. If you're ever taking a shot from that far away where it would be an effect on a 1 shot strat you're in the wrong position.

[stark dawn]

Not sure if you saw the Harvest fall-off, it goes to 0 around 30 m. Coyote has procs that require 25 m+.

[subtle bluff]

You're talking about the speed strat for razorback. Only one person is stacking BLB and isn't using DCH shot afterwards.

[subtle bluff]

This statement makes no sense.

[stark dawn]

People proc Coyote’s from the back

[stark dawn]

Then I guess there is nothing to discuss, if you have never check the damage fall-off curve.

[subtle bluff]

I have but again we're Never really taking a shot for a 1 shot strat from more than 15m

[stark dawn]

Coyote’s is not proc’ed by the person taking the final shot

[subtle bluff]

We don't care about crit for one shot dmg.

[stark dawn]

That’s fine for you/your group, then this was an elaborate answer that you do not know a suggestion for another pistol.

[subtle bluff]

Look at the gearsheet for that.

[shy willow]

You answered your own question earlier lol

Just look at the optimal range stats and throw on whatever has the least fall off it's that's your issue

Harvest is pretty goated though

[urban latch]

I don't think the d50 will be close to the harvest

Either way both should still 1 tap if you've properly double stacked

[vital smelt]

I use reg but with striker with harvest and it doesn’t idk

[urban latch]

The whole trick to one shotting the weak points is to use the Rav, so you can't really use the reg without a hot swap

[violet juniper]

I'm liking this already.

[urban latch]

What is ridgeways doing for you

[stark flicker]

healing and secondary dps buff

[violet juniper]

Regen and Sadist

[urban latch]

The regen and bleed damage is very small, basically meaningless. If your running backfire your committing to it and not weapon swapping, so either the striker shield is going to waste or (ideally) your not using the carnage.

Ridgeways is really not worth using

[violet juniper]

I don't really care

not trying to be rude, but I didn't ask for your advice

I know it's niche, but after all the effort to get the thing, I'm gonna use it

[shy willow]

The channel is called build advice😭

If you're gonna post your stuff in here expect to get advice😭

[violet juniper]

It's not advice, it's him poo-pooing on it because it's not meta

and the fact remains, I didn't ask

Besides I had a look at it and scrapped it, I'm trying something better

now it flows together better

[sudden cloak]

You're free to use whatever your heart desires

[shy willow]

Less because it's not meta and more because it's not effective

We recommend off meta stuff to varying degrees all the time lol

[sudden cloak]

If I'm running open world then I'm going memento and intimidate, not because it's meta, but I like using lady death and it helps with dmg

[lost wren]

memento intimidate sounds like it'd be fun

[hexed steppe]

by posting it, you do invite criticism regardless if you asked for it or not. you yourself have been pretty critical of builds so idk why you wouldnt expect some in return... criticism is how we all make builds* better

[violet juniper]

it's good but finicky

It was an involuntary reaction from me over taking hours to get the gear piece, testing it and the first thing someone says is "erm actually it's not that good"

[hexed steppe]

you know the community tho. we are honest

[violet juniper]

90% of exotics in this game are ass lol

[hexed steppe]

no doubts there

[violet juniper]

doesn't mean I don't want to use them though. They're fun

I usually take the approach of rough build outlines, then test, then refine

hence why the first one was bad, the second one is better

[hexed steppe]

all good. if you like something and someone is critical of it, just remember it isnt personal, and it also doesnt matter if you are going for something specific. you do you, and let the rest be water off a ducks back

[violet juniper]

indeed

[shy willow]

Did army terminal like 40 times to get that damn catalyst and now it's just sat in my stash

[sudden cloak]

It is quite fun, I run it in both open world and legendary content

[lost wren]

i haven't tried legendary content yet, never found much of a reason to

but i think i should try at some point

[sudden cloak]

Legendary is definitely a lot of fun when with the right group

[lost wren]

i usually use red striker but i do want to try the classic headshot determined headhunter setup

[silver lark]

nemesis, dont know if it's even possible on another sniper to be honest because most damage comes from HH usually

starting to realize that this build is really redundant because legendary feeds you a ton of trash adds for HH stacks anyways

[shy willow]

Gotta tailor the build to the encounter

[subtle bluff]

💯 that’s how I am able to carry Leggo. I am not as good as the avg player.

[bronze hazel]

how do i get the holographic sight for marksman rifles? im trying to do a headshot build

[shy willow]

Same way you get any other attachment

It's either a side mission or CP/summit pool reward

[tawdry flare]

What is army terminal

[shy willow]

Sir have you just come out of hibernation

[noble star]

At least you had fun doing it right

[stark flicker]

Don't have dtooc as a minor for smgs what minor should I run on my backfire while I try to get dtooc? Currently it's dth

[subtle bluff]

that's fine.

No reason to waste resource.

[reef trench]

i got this is it good ?

[cerulean smelt]

Which are you asking? I see 7 things there that your question can be

[kind crest]

if you dont have anything else then this will act as a full temporary build, its not good but not bad either :)

[reef trench]

The exotic ar ofc

[reef trench]

This is the only exotic AR I have at the moment.

[cerulean smelt]

Not really honestly, but I feel it helps fresh 40 to reach the 55-60٪ chc

[subtle bluff]

Exotics and named, weapon and gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build

[kind crest]

it will definitely work while u get everything u need for the loadout ur working towards :) im personally not a fan of the chameleon but with the talents active its pretty good

[silver lark]

chameleon shreds, you just gotta be in close-ish range for it to work and check the buff hexes every so often:

orange means filling (not active) and white means filled (active)

topmost hex is the crit buff (land headshots), middle hex is raw damage buff (land bodyshots), bottommost hex is reload speed (land leg shots)

you should really treat it like an SMG, and it pairs well with the Exodus Gloves if you ever get those

[echo comet]

guys i unlocked countdown and i wanted to try out a build so i farmed striker pieces and stuff acc to a video but the stats and attributes i want arent the ones that drop do i just keep running it again until it does

[proven frigate]

If I wanted to make a skill based build what do you guys recommend?

I’ve gotten tired of the glass cannon coyote mask and I’d like to try something new with using skills other than being a run and gun in pve and PvP

[grizzled garnet]

Ok ik ik the shooting range isnt particularly accurate but.... WHAT?!??!

[rare field]

whats the build for iron lung? iwant to use memento with and ongoing directive or heartbreaker but whats ur input guys?

[stark flicker]

Not looking for advice just wanted to share an ongoing directive build https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/GwdgtMYIwEzWcojgBjGj6uYwLgMxQJj7yrYU6W4yTlFEhXOXq7ilpEs-Uxyd4vYW34ks3ViLwwALAA4wssAE4V0AKzqowBsC7ByOXNKkmpFvMHPSbl9EA

[eager cloak]

Hi, where can I find a list of double dipping source for Turmoil?

[rare field]

is OD better to use than heartbreaker?

[broken edge]

OD might have more starting and direct damage, heartbreaker will need stacks to get good damage while being more tanky

[worn mango]

I think they also respectively have different roles. HB is good for solo play because it doesn't offer anything else to anyone. OD can be used solo but will be squishy all red. But used in groups where you have others tanking for you, you can just lace everything with a Bluescreen/Carnage and constantly replenish hollow points for everyone

[proven frigate]

Thank you I’ll try it out

[stark flicker]

the squishiness problem can easily be fixed by bloodsucker/catharsis

[worn mango]

My argument would be that catharsis is generally only helping you whereas typically Coyote is helping the team. But it depends on your goals too

I'd also rather have Wicked on BP but that's because my OD is all red

[hexed steppe]

use OD chest. its better

[stark flicker]

I am though

[hexed steppe]

i like od over hb. its a solid set with not much thinking and a ton of team buffing

[hexed steppe]

nvm, im dumb and blind 👴

[stark flicker]

tbh the reason I want catalyst the most is bc of the ads while burning

burn is quite possibly the most powerful status in the game

[hexed steppe]

is there a big difference between catalyst damage and coyote on your setup?

[stark flicker]

this build is for solo play and there isn't really a need for extra chc considering the 36% you get from backfire

[hexed steppe]

close range is chd

od is also team based set

[stark flicker]

I like it for the flat damage amp with little set up

also the way abilities like catalysis work gives a separate multiplier with more effect

[onyx sage]

wdym separate multiplier

[stark flicker]

bc I'm getting so much chd from payment in kind you get a bigger bonus from the x1.24 boost

[hexed steppe]

considered hf? native disrupt on kill and all

[onyx sage]

it's weapon damage, it's not anything special

[hexed steppe]

btw, am i seeing an updated build tool 👀

[stark flicker]

your weapon damage is usually a lot lower than your chd meaning the 24% boost is stronger than the 25% chd boost

[onyx sage]

yeah but saying it's 1.24x is disingenuous, if you have full red you're already well over 200% weapon damage

[stark flicker]

especially considering the up to 200% payment in kind gives

[onyx sage]

the standard full red build is 2.3 weapon damage multiplier

[shy willow]

Afaik tis being worked on rn

[onyx sage]

24% extra doesn't make it 1.24x lol

[hexed steppe]

nice

[stark flicker]

also the damage comparison is 19.7mil per mag on crit with coyote compared to 18.8mil per mag with catalyst but the constant bonus armor and reload speed makes up for the small damage loss

also also I'm running backfire for the synergy with catalyst if I swapped to coyote it'd just be better running dw

[shy willow]

There's not many applications for backfire as is tbh

Mostly a boss burner but occasionally a gimmick hazpro build tool

[stark flicker]

I'm currently trying to make a build for every exotic gun in the game trying to play as hard into their gimmick as possible

for what I'm running carnage is literally better in every way

[onyx sage]

build for sacrum imperium 🗣️ 🗣️

[stark flicker]

the only guns I won't build are eb and reg bc I don't wanna do the raids

[onyx sage]

nothing's special about building for eb

and reg is just like any magnum so if you have a build for a magnum it's just drop-in

[stark flicker]

I wanna mostly focus on making the most garbage guns good tho

or at least giving them a niche

[hexed steppe]

overlord build when?

[gray radish]

Other than ongoing directives on bluescreen what other build is suit for the bluescreen?

[stark flicker]

sacrum imperium offensive cc https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsEwzG5EOU1CBcAWM3hzABwrFqpYBMOMe8opJDI6wAbFXnvVyegKzi4Y3YRkpFolAdBGl05FvFwgAnBAK81bYAWjaismY3SHZwORpnpdHYUA

[mellow tree]

Blue screen can fit almost anywhere that an LMG and CC is useful

I was using it on my negotiators and it was working great, it had synergy with marking

[stark flicker]

supportive harrasser build https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwRgtC4AxjLLRNlNcgXMArBaj5gDseKpas6AbDgExgLgEgAsz5ZH6WAnGM4yXZDSmOpGETOwMYI6Sk6GoUJ8INBDSiUwmlZoAcw9NxVssOENpptmMfW07WGtGGxArK4brIqVFOOREabSxwZl4sBA4gA

[worn elbow]

@echo comet

[echo comet]

hi

[worn elbow]

You don’t have the smg I’m using so go for elmos

Chest piece is ceska with obliterate talent

[echo comet]

yeah im going for elmos

[worn elbow]

And aa12 for fast stacks

[echo comet]

thanks a lot man appreciate it

[echo comet]

have that too

i have the ceska chest piece but no obliterate

[worn elbow]

Btw this build hits hard and I’m not even shd 1k yet

[echo comet]

hell yeah

[echo comet]

im tryna get elmos first before i can grind out proper rolls

[worn elbow]

Good luck agent

[urban falcon]

for backfire without max hazpro, how much hazpro do you go? 0? 60?

[hoary valve]

is their any conflict builds?

[fickle seal]

Does anyone know how to get blueprint for Catalyst Mask?

[worn mango]

There's no blueprint, only drops from the climax of Brooklyn

[terse latch]

Should I Reroll this eb?

[fickle seal]

to get what?

[terse latch]

Dtoc

[fickle seal]

I would personally stick to this...

[terse latch]

K

[gray radish]

i swap the bluescreen with bullet king thinking it would suck but it kinda suprised me how great it is on this build

[candid talon]

Think it's worth switching to FW to get Striker shield?

[violet juniper]

Absolutely

get rid of those blue rolls and Yaahl though

absolutely useless. run a Palisade chest instead

[candid talon]

Yeah... why would I want to hit 1.2M each SMG shot while being disgustingly tanky and immune to all hazards.

[worn elbow]

How’s is this build btw if you don’t me asking especially how bullet king works with it?

Like doing good damage?

[gray radish]

yeah it do great damage to enemy

[worn elbow]

Alright thanks

[grizzled garnet]

is it worth going after a heartbreaker build if i have a strikers build?

[candid talon]

Define worth

[worn elbow]

It’s basically striker but another style of play you get bonus armor and damage

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 intriguing

[worn elbow]

Use the laser attachment from the technician spec too

[grizzled garnet]

ye ye ofc

[worn elbow]

Since you can pulse them mfs by aiming at them and get your stacks fast by using aa12

[candid talon]

It's a trade off of damage for survivability

[worn elbow]

Yes exactly what our friend here said

But still do damage good damage not very very high like striker

[grizzled garnet]

also on another note... police m4 out damages famas?

last i remember famas was king

[candid talon]

If you land more shots it does.

Famas doesn't allow for technician laser pointer, and you're going for HB

[grizzled garnet]

one day i aspire to have the lexington ;-;

[candid talon]

Something to consider right there and then. Second, I will say this but take it with a graint of salt, the difference in damage is "negligible". FAMAS does seem to deal a LITTLE bit more DPS and it's a little bit burstier since it empties the clip faster and does a little bit more damage per clip. M4 usually makes up in, being a laser beam.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is, at the upper echelon, the top assault rifles are somewhat balanced. Mileage may vary.

Try them all, get a feel for them yourself. Shield Splinterer, Carbine 7, Famas, M4, etc. all great candidates. There's no "wrong answer" there.

[worn elbow]

It’s coming back

And trumoil ceska knee pad

I think I said the name wrong lmao

[candid talon]

No, you nailed. Unless you want to put the weird accentuation in Ceska that no one does.

[worn elbow]

Ye it’s kinda weird Ngl

[grizzled garnet]

any confirmed date?

[mellow tree]

No confirmed date, just been told they’re bringing them back

[subtle bluff]

Here's some updated numbers.

Not organized well at all.

[uncut vale]

what backback is that

[candid talon]

I'm not proud I had to read that four times to understand you meant backpack. It's Memento.

[vital apex]

What is a good shredding St Elmo Conflict Build?

[alpine pecan]

Strikers tbh

All reds

[uncut vale]

did i forget to but a space there ?

[uncut vale]

where can i get it from ?

[subtle bluff]

Not in conflict...

[alpine pecan]

I read wrong my bad

lol I went and looked again for conflict my bad😅

I would just say umbra then

[candid talon]

Anywhere.

It was the reward for some season, 3 iirc. Now it's on the global pool. It can literally drop anywhere. Go on Countdown or Summit and select backpacks as drop.

[uncut vale]

thanks fam

[stark flicker]

Which is better 58chc and 152chd or 64chc and 140chd

[subtle bluff]

Do it without seasonal modifiers

[stark flicker]

Is without

[subtle bluff]

60% CHC is hard cap.

[stark flicker]

Yeah but a full chc core would put me over hard cap is it worth the 2% chc to trade the 12% chd

[spiral magnet]

This any good I’m terrible at making builds 😂

Any help would be appreciated

[stark flicker]

I'd swap energize for obliterate on the chest

[subtle bluff]

I think you answer this the question yourself.
Is wasting for 4 or gaining 12 better?

[subtle bluff]

We have all the builds in the Pinned Messages > GDoc

[stark flicker]

I always see people here saying how important hitting 60chc is and sacrificing chd for it I'm just trying to figure out if the math supports it

[hexed steppe]

chc x chd for each config

[stark flicker]

.

[subtle bluff]

Keeping it simple.
w/ Coyote 50-54% CHC
w/o Coyote closest to 60% w/o going over cap.
Then the rest into CHD

[stark flicker]

Ty

[hexed steppe]

almost the same

[glad heart]

58chc and 152 is better (8816 vs 8400)

[hexed steppe]

oh i put 148 on the 60 calc🤦‍♂️

[glad heart]

oopss haha

[onyx sage]

old man

[hexed steppe]

at least i know Angel is ahead of me 😉

[glad heart]

by a bit I am sure

[hexed steppe]

i think the only time its pretty important to hit as close as possible to 60 is with nego where your transfer is based on crits. should be good between 50-60 for anything else tho

[stark flicker]

Yeah nah it's just od

Honestly od is mad fun to play

[hexed steppe]

yeah its a great set

[stark flicker]

I'm curb stomping challenging with my highest core at 7%

Tbh I might just farm for a set with better cores after I get backfire

[hexed steppe]

what are you using for bag talent?

[stark flicker]

Bloodsucker

I posted the build earlier

[violet juniper]

this build destroys hard difficulty

[iron ermine]

New on pc what is a good pve build to farm

[stark flicker]

.

[violet juniper]

OD

[stark flicker]

Ongoing directive is a strong starting point getting you to challenging with shit rolls

The 2 big things od struggles with when underpowered are cleaner and true sons tanks

[violet juniper]

OD drops off at higher difficulty if you can't drop an enemy before your ammo runs out

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc builds hub

[stark flicker]

I've found in paper tests the extra damage from a gun like backfire helps to offset the penalty against bulkier foes esp tanks and nameds

[violet juniper]

Backfire is a cheat code

[subtle bluff]

I disklike the idea of BF on OD. What makes OD great is that you don't need to build stacks.

[violet juniper]

if you want a tanky option, a shotgun with sadist is perfect

[subtle bluff]

Sadist 30%/35% amp dmg keeps up with BF talents.

SMG9 Sadist is strong

[violet juniper]

M870 MCS with Sadist or a SPAS is great as a secondary

I use Carnage and Scorpio on my build

[cerulean smelt]

say you don't go the chc route and just pour everything into chd, but you 're stuck at a lower than 50% chance to crit, how's all that crit hit damage going to help you if you don't crit often?

[stark flicker]

Well I have 58chc

[violet juniper]

50-55% is the sweet spot

60% CHD is just not necessary. Once you get to above 50% CHC, you start buffing chd

[hexed steppe]

it wasnt listed in the link posted, but i could have missed a previous post.

[subtle bluff]

If you actually care about your CHC number use the DPS calculator in the pinned messages.

[grizzled garnet]

for hotshot determined white death whats the general sweetspot for damage?

bc im hitting this rn with a partially complete build

(not fully optimized)

[terse latch]

This build good for pvp?

These are the stats

[subtle bluff]

#td2-pvp-discussions may answer you quicker and better than this channel. I wouldn't say it is a good PvP build maybe DZ PvE.

[pseudo belfry]

Anyone know where I can find the hollow man mask at??

Or how to obtain it

[strong cave]

DZ exclusive

Frequently goes on sale at vendors. Wait until Tuesday reset to find out if it'll be back

[pseudo belfry]

Okie doke
Thanks 🔥

[strong cave]

You can farm named item caches or Conflict/DZ Proficiency caches for the item as well

[pseudo belfry]

Sweet! Thank!

[cerulean smelt]

or move into Descent until you finaly get it to craft it (> <)

but you'd need Yahl pieces to craft it anyways so then you'd have to conflict or DZ those pieces anyways

[pseudo belfry]

Noted
Thanks

[mellow tree]

Shiny Monkey Vs Murakami: which one do you think is better?

Trying out a high end healer type build, I know Shiny Monkey gives me more skill repair but Murakami gives me skill damage

[violet juniper]

You just answered your own question

[wanton token]

anyone got a good shoutgun build for pvp?

[violet juniper]

M870 MCS as your main shotgun, Brazen, then a standard Regen setup

Headshot and hazpro rolls

could sneak a badger tuff and Habsburg/Providence piece in if you like

[wanton token]

can i show u what im running?

[subtle bluff]

Neither for healers build FI always is best.

[cerulean smelt]

are you trying to heal? or are you trying to damage? Trying to do both makes you do neither well

[vital smelt]

DCH? Kinda new what is that 😂

[cerulean smelt]

Dodge City Holster

[violet juniper]

Dodge City Holster. Buffs the first shot you fire with a pistol based on how long you waited before swapping to it

caps at like 200% damage or something ridiculous

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't also apply a headshot regardless where you shoot your target as well?

[violet juniper]

yes!

it's determined on steroids

not sure if it procs determined though.

[urban latch]

It doesn't

[subtle bluff]

It's not Headshot kill. It's HS dmg.

[terse latch]

I can’t seem to get a chest piece with unbreakable on it, what brand usually drops the talent the most?

[subtle bluff]

Rng is rng.

[lone wadi]

keep farming ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hearty owl]

Shiny monkey

[hexed steppe]

cap is 1000% damage. maybe confusing with busy bee,
which is 200%

[honest lake]

ok so im building a striker-ceska(2) with hazpro specifically for backfire.
82% should be enough hazpro, right?

[lone wadi]

82% is about 72% more than you need

and the 10 you cant remove comes from watch

[honest lake]

huh?
im building hazpro specifically so i dont immediately kill myself the second i have to reload at above 50stacks

[lone wadi]

once you get to max stacks you stop bleeding

and if you dont mind the red screen youll live, the bleed isnt that big of deal

could also run with gunner for easy aok

you lose a lot of potential dmg by running haz

[honest lake]

i've killed myself every single time i used the backfire thats why im adding hazpro

[subtle bluff]

Don't use backfire?

[onyx sage]

are you taking damage on the side from enemies while using it or

[subtle bluff]

You can do plenty of dps without it.

[onyx sage]

cuz otherwise backfire can't kill you unless you literally never reload

[honest lake]

i mean i play somewhat aggressive so i frequently get my armor close to breaking
and then the bleed damage just crushes me.

[onyx sage]

okay so hazpro isn't gonna solve that

the problem is you're taking damage from enemies too much

heck if you're playing aggressive you don't wanna use backfire, you want a higher burst damage weapon, backfire is only good for long fights

you're solving for the wrong problem

[subtle bluff]

Give out unhealth care faster.

[noble star]

Anyone know a grenade build just for funsies?

[noble star]

Semi related but could the backfire bleed be countered by using memento or some other way to gain armour/bonus armour, such as bloodsucker?

[onyx sage]

of course

[novel ember]

we cant do this anymore 😟 😢 we need glitch or something

[lone wadi]

thats the point

so you cant do that anymore

[novel ember]

need to try buttt afried to lose all mats on my char

[lone wadi]

try as hard as you want but theres no muling anymore

[novel ember]

i saw video on yout just one month ago it was working

[hazy steeple]

Youtube videos are not exactly a great source of info for div2, as the game is a mix of complicated and simple looking on the surface.

[subtle bluff]

I got to 3k SHD and not a single glitch 16 exp. It's not hard.

[noble star]

Is perfectly mad bomber exclusive to chest piece?

[hazy steeple]

@noble star The "perfect" part means it's from a named item, basically.

[noble star]

Is the regular counterpart on backpacks?

[hazy steeple]

Talents never swap what they're on, so if it's a Chest Talent already, then it'll always be a Chest Talent.

(e.g. Mad Bomber will always be a Chest Talent)

[noble star]

So between using perfect mad bomber and collector, would perfect mad bomber be better?

[hazy steeple]

Mad Bomber Talent:

Grenade that kill an enemy are refunded.
Grenades can now be ''cooked'' by holding the fire button, making them explode earlier.
Gain 15% bonus armour while aiming grenades```
The bit that changes from 50 to 75 is the only difference between the Perfect and Normal version.

Collector's Talent:

+50% Grenade Radius
+35% Grenade Damage
+25% Grenade Damage for each extra enemy caught in the blast
Automatically regenerate grenades every 30s, if you have less than 2 grenades in your inventory.```

[noble star]

Got it thanks 🙏

[novel ember]

mate here 1700 with 14exp but my problem is the mats for optimize

[subtle bluff]

It's not hard. Farm resources..

[subtle bluff]

Kind of crazy, you watch YouTube stuff that isn't relevant to the current game. When there are good videos on ways to get mats...
https://youtu.be/tij0jAdWcAM?si=zpMP4xnWzGaRxH9Y

[lone wadi]

or if ur shd 1700 just use some of those points lol

[hazy steeple]

To be fair, a 2 year old video in most games will not exactly be super relevant.

[subtle bluff]

The general thought sure but sadly some of the best info videos are 2 years old by now.

[hazy steeple]

Or 6, Solar Farm.

still works, still good for farming.

[subtle bluff]

That video I posted is routed thru it.

[hazy steeple]

I don't need to watch every video someone posts on this server, I see enough chaff already by having to read the filtered comments.

[subtle bluff]

Ya I miss the embedded videos for the same reason.

[hazy steeple]

Plus, most of them are way too long.

[subtle bluff]

Just to see the title. It's actually only a 2 min video.

[hazy steeple]

2 more minutes I could be on a rewatch of Good Omens.

[echo comet]

@worn elbow

[worn elbow]

Not bad not bad for now

When you get cayote mask exotic it is and swap it for your striker mask and then get holster striker

Btw do some recalibration and get maxed out stats too

But now just enjoy the game

[echo comet]

idk what to grind for first lowkey

[worn elbow]

Rn

Get the exotic mask and then try to get Elmo ar

After that get maxed weapon damage and crit damage and chance stats for your gear

A video for striker build has better information and better way to explain it

And just farm countdown for all of this

[echo comet]

will it help with survivability

[worn elbow]

You can use countdown currency to. Buy exotic caches too

[echo comet]

cause i keep going down on challenging missions

[worn elbow]

More damage and crit stuff

[shy willow]

On an all red build your damage is your survivability

[worn elbow]

Ye

[shy willow]

The idea is to kill everything before everything kills you

[echo comet]

is mine an all red damage build

[worn elbow]

Yes and no

[echo comet]

yes i want an aggressive build but i keep having to put on armour and shit in cover

[worn elbow]

Look at the red cores all golden out

That means full red core build

Same thing for blues and etc

[echo comet]

ohhhh

[worn elbow]

Since your new for now just enjoy the game learn how get used to your play style

And then farm maxed out cores for your gear

Hell ouro is just melting I love this gun lmao

[shy willow]

It's a positioning issue then

[echo comet]

alr so im gonna start doing countdown for the mask

what target loot option do i pick mask? or is there a set or something else

[worn elbow]

Mask for cayote mask

And then ar for Elmo’s

[grizzled garnet]

i need a new chest but idk if i have the will. im off by 1 minor attribute ;-;

[worn elbow]

Dam good luck

[subtle bluff]

that's fine

It won't kill you

[lone wadi]

its fine but it looks bad 😭

[grizzled garnet]

i mean its only chc which im not missing greatly

coyotes more than makes up for it. i would drop chc further if i could to 35-40

but alas... it doesnt seem possible

[subtle bluff]

Ya drop CHD for CHC and you'll be fine.

[grizzled garnet]

i dont need to

[lone wadi]

get at least that 50

[grizzled garnet]

i got coyotes

[lone wadi]

okay and you should still have at least 50

[grizzled garnet]

🤔

pls elaborate

[lone wadi]

sometimes its hard to control how far enemies push up and if they get close you have super high crit dmg but you hardly crit

[grizzled garnet]

fair fair

[lone wadi]

even with coyotes you should hover around the 50-55 crit range excluding any buffs so you can still have good crit rate without depending on the coyotes buff

[grizzled garnet]

🙏

[lone wadi]

looks great

😩

[grizzled garnet]

fr

this is with striker chest

[lone wadi]

not a big deal in the long run but i woudlnt target farm ceska anymore unless you really wanna

[lone wadi]

sweet

[grizzled garnet]

anyway. back to shd farming with hotshot, pub executions and control points

[noble star]

I think it’s funny you have a build where every once a mag or so you have a really painful bullet

[grizzled garnet]

painful for me or the enemy?

[noble star]

Whoever gets hit with it I guess

[meager fog]

I hate this 🤣

[grizzled garnet]

same ;-;

but in the grand scheme of things its not really significant

[cerulean smelt]

don't forget Companion and Perfect Companion (> <)

[grizzled garnet]

as a player you cant change them :3

[cerulean smelt]

no but companion is a backpack talent, perfect companion is on a chest

[grizzled garnet]

O.O

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if any other talents had this happen but i think companion so far is the only one that's on 2 different pieces

[grizzled garnet]

little off topic q. when taking damage to bonus armor does vigilance not get deactivated?

[cerulean smelt]

from what i remember reading, shouldn't, but they did have a mishap with the shield damage putting Vigilence on Cooldown or maybe it was on purpose but backlash so it was reverted?

[grizzled garnet]

hmmm. intriguing

[patent fossil]

Yeah both bonus armor and shield protect vigilance, it only goes when you take white armour or health damage

[grizzled garnet]

i guess that why vigilance is reccomended for heartbreaker

[cerulean smelt]

it's practically recommended for every single build it seems

[grizzled garnet]

i noticed vigilance not getting deactivated when i had bonus armor on my hotshot build

[cerulean smelt]

like if i post a picture of my pistol 1 shot build. people would have a conniption fit "WHY NO VIGILENCE?!?!?!?!"

it's basically left side all named items, right side Imminence with Concussion backpack talent, so far it's suited me well with what i wanted to do anyways and my playstyle

[grizzled garnet]

i mean... it is pretty free up front damage buff for doing something you should try do anyway

[cerulean smelt]

i know, i got a high end Sacrifice, Gift build and played that pretty extensively until now i'm bored of the build

[grizzled garnet]

i like my 1886 determined build but unfortunately its not as good in heroic

[cerulean smelt]

why not?

[grizzled garnet]

it doesnt seem to ohk

[cerulean smelt]

that's odd though 🤔

[grizzled garnet]

all being said its not optimal yet

but its mostly there

[cerulean smelt]

probably why
if gun isn't fully optimized or the gear, missing a lot of damage there

[grizzled garnet]

i'll try it again in a few since im doing the daily projects

[cerulean smelt]

was going to say, one video i saw of Raucey's had only Chainkiller and 1886 determined the other 5 pieces were grey improvised gear and he was 1 shotting things in Memorial mission

[grizzled garnet]

i am also not there in terms of shd either (yes ik its mismatched. most were spend when i was uninformed)

[cerulean smelt]

i probably went weapon damage while i ran around with that sacrifice/gift combo and had terrible damage

like can you imagine you running a duo with someone but you see things dropping fast with a similar build, then you shoot and you go through clips to kill 1 enemy? but they kill several in 1 clip?

[grizzled garnet]

ok ye it does work. idk what was up with it like last week

[cerulean smelt]

dm'd you the video i was talking about. it blew my mind away 🤣

[grizzled garnet]

i also just love not being able to see because of rain or fog or sun or anything other than clear mid day weather

[cerulean smelt]

lol, yeah i hate these weathers but i think the dust storm one in DC is probably the worst for this

if you ran this build with Reanimated GE you definitely should've been popping heads left and right

[grizzled garnet]

I just take random shots in the enemies general direction and some land

[cerulean smelt]

i try, but i tend to miss in general 😭

but for some odd reason i'm great at hitting friendly npcs, well because they like to run in front of me and stand in my line of fire mostly (> <)

[stark flicker]

unstoppable force or wicked for an od build?

[versed summit]

Wicked has basically perfect uptime, unstoppable force is good, but if you're in a group on-kill talents are less reliable.

[stark flicker]

strictly solo play

[versed summit]

IMO I'd still go wicked.

[stark flicker]

can you craft chc mods?

[cerulean smelt]

think you can craft all mods, it's RNG though

[stark flicker]

od sample build for tinkerer https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/GwFgtATGDMYIyXsAHGADOzHtawLlSlgSgihwtwrwmEQxLAHZLWr08mZME2+qaRHu36tB3BiKljgxSFwCskDAqjIlYhbAbRe0-KOl5geQ9lP7sQA

[grizzled garnet]

wait thats an old screenshot

i changed to survivalist. solo tho gunner is better

[grizzled garnet]

welp i got the m60 ready for when tinkerer drops

[stark flicker]

tbh you could run literally any lmg for secondary all that's important is that you have a negev as primary

from what I've found the iwi negev is the balance between mag size and damage

[grizzled garnet]

do we know or have a guesstimation of when we're getting tinkerers?

[stark flicker]

the rpk and l86 deal more damage but bc of the small mag size have bad uptime for hollow points and the gr89 and stoner lack in damage and firerate to be useable

[stark flicker]

week 12

it's the climax exotic for this season

[grizzled garnet]

🤔

and how many weeks we in?

[stark flicker]

8

[grizzled garnet]

bruh. imma be abroad when it drops ;-;

[stark flicker]

well you can do the manhunt mission whenever need to do master for guaranteed drop tho

[grizzled garnet]

master equivalent to heroic?

[stark flicker]

no idea never done master

[grizzled garnet]

same :3

i might see if my laptop can run div 2 at decent speeds

just so i can do some level of gaming

[stark flicker]

I'm looking and it seems like master enemies are heroic with better ai

[grizzled garnet]

so leaning towards yes?

gimme a few

o.o

welp. we gonna be gamink

i just gotta charge it bc since uni ended for the year i didnt need to use it

i'll prob play on low

anyway back to doing the daily manning zoo run

[stark flicker]

why can't we swear in the in game text

[onyx sage]

heroic ai, legendary health and damage

[grizzled garnet]

(idk why either tbh)

[stark flicker]

I literally tried to reference an in game line and got my message blocked bc it contained the f word

it was literally a line from tidal basin

[hazy steeple]

It was probably an overdone line anyway.

[grizzled garnet]

within 30s of your last message i've heard 2 curse words from the VA's

[hazy steeple]

If it wasn't advice about builds, it has no place in this channel anyway.

[hexed steppe]

Doesnt matter. It's easy to refrain from using bad language.

Stay classy

[stark flicker]

I thought I was in gen chat

[hazy steeple]

I'd recommend investing in new glasses.

Or more sleep, probably the latter.

[stark flicker]

the grind never stops

[slate wedge]

that’s good

better display than mine

[hazy steeple]

That laptop would've cost more than my entire apartment.

[hexed steppe]

Th price on full tower pc cases has really gone up that much?

[hazy steeple]

That's just the australian currency exchange rate at work.

It's like $137 for a temu mouse now.

[slate wedge]

mine with
intel i7 14700HK
64gb ram
2tb ssd
nvidia geforce gtx 4060

[hexed steppe]

Nvme ssd?

[slate wedge]

what?

[hazy steeple]

Gesundheit.

[slate wedge]

Vielen Dank

[hexed steppe]

The ssd that look like sticks of gum.
M.2

Really fast

[slate wedge]

tbh idk, built into the laptop, seller hasn’t provided me with the exact specs

[hexed steppe]

The ones I use dual 2tb are around 3500mb read/write but there are some that double that and probably a lot higher now. It's been a bit since I built mine. 1 for os 1 for games.
Traditional 2.5 ssd are around 500mb read/write iirc

[eager viper]

Ssd vs any gen nvme for gaming is barely noticeable unless the game is using direct storage. So if ur still on a SSD drive ur still good for gaming/windows.

[slate wedge]

i’ll look later today when i’m home

[stark dawn]

Also to note not all M.2 are NVMe, and can be SATA. NVMe is only with M and B+M keys. Particularly, B+M key can be either NVMe or SATA.

[grizzled garnet]

Whu?

[stark dawn]

Maybe people have too short memory or are too young: M.2 was once called NGFF, and was the once form factor for mSATA and mPCIe (for modems, for example). So it historically absolutely carried around the keying for SATA. And mPCIe became the M.2 NVMe.

[hexed steppe]

Glad you know .
I kinda use it as a blanket term, but thanks for the clarity 💯

Let me steer this back to builds since I helped it get off the rails

[fierce dragon]

Yooo im struggling to put together a pvp striker bighorn build 😫

And also a pvp high crit build ? If thats even good

[hoary sail]

Hi better to try here #td2-pvp-discussions

[toxic zenith]

What would be the earliest level I could make a build?

[hexed steppe]

Dont put to much in till you hit 40. Just utilize the best you have because most stuff is weak af after a couble levels and will be replaced anyways

[sturdy rose]

Hi! New to the game, wanna know what gear set is good to get if I wanna play “support-y” but can self sustain when I hit lvl 40.

[obtuse jacinth]

I see people having 2 attributes on their striker gear pieces while I have 1 + 1 empty gear mod slot. When i am trying to unlock it on Tinkering it says this slot cannot be optimized. How can i unlock it?

[solar sable]

As you mentioned, gearsets have 1 Attribute slot + Mod slot.
To optimize, you have to extract to your Library a high/max attribute that you want to use in a gear piece in order to optimize it to max.

[obtuse jacinth]

I have it in my library but i cannot unlock the slot to put it in

[meager fog]

That's a mod slot. Not a calibration slot

You put a mod on it, you dont tinker it

[obtuse jacinth]

Damn you are right literally never thought of it :/

[solar sable]

Plus, you can't optimize gear mods

[obtuse jacinth]

if u use a 5% mod slot i can replace it later with a 7% right?

[meager fog]

You can replace them with other mods you find, but you can't alter the ones you have.

Have to farm for better ones

[obtuse jacinth]

Thx a lot

[novel ember]

can you explain this 🧐

this guy did that double mats between chars one month ago

[lost wren]

what's the meta pve sniper setup?

[honest lake]

kuacks

[bright raptor]

because KamikazeVonSlur is a liar, next question

[solar sable]

Don't listen to him, he's nothing but a copycat of other Division content creators.

[stark dawn]

Is the White Death really still the one up there, after the nerf? Note there is also the Gift, and some Legendary speeds people swear by double HG

[novel ember]

no way! you sure why he tolds me that then

[meager fog]

Because people on the internet lie......because it's better in their head to answer incorrectly than to not know the answer

[patent fossil]

Umm, in this case I don't think it's a lie. If you create a new character and gather materials on them before buying the 'shared resources' option from Inaya, it should then add those resources onto your existing ones, taking you over cap if necessary.

The only difference now is that using scav points to gather those resources will also deduct from your other character's remaining scav points

[slate wedge]

Gift doesn’t give more damage so that’s that. Double HG gives you higher damage without headhunter stacks but chainkiller gives you higher damage at max stacks

[novel ember]

so you are saying the old way still working or !

[patent fossil]

Depends what you mean by the old way.

[novel ember]

doubling the mats when they create a new char then using the scav points then shared item then delete that char and get all these mats to my main char

[stark dawn]

Gift gives you more damage if you land the headshot, so it is absolutely preferred.

[novel ember]

you got me ?

[slate wedge]

do you maybe mean something else because the gift is a named providence backpack with perfect vigilance

[patent fossil]

You lose all the scav points on every character if you spend them on one though, so why bother? Just hold on to them until you're below cap, spend them on your main.

There's no 'doubling', really

[stark dawn]

Yes, you can do normal Providence, but most player nowadays have a Gift ready. But that Airaldi backpack up there is absolutely not the way to go, you likely will get called out for that if you go into any kind of faster raid.

[onyx sage]

if you're talking about max hh stacking, more weapon damage is preferred just due to how headhunter works, weapon damage scales the cap higher than headshot damage would; and headshot damage doesn't affect damage to helmets which is the most relevant breakpoint to meet in legendary 4 man

if you mean raids, i'd be more specific and ask if you're doing one-shotting or headhunting, for one-shotting you do want providence/more hsd because of achilles

[stark dawn]

Well, that’s why I also pointed out that there is likely no single “META” here. Legendary teams have other preference.

[onyx sage]

yes, because it depends on the content, we know the content dictates the builds

[stark dawn]

I believe some Legendary teams also go for double HG because how the base damage changes vs. the perfect/non-perfect Headhunter

[onyx sage]

what we recommend up there just works for 99% of people for everyday farming and doing the occasional legendary, it's by no means what we recommend for speedrunning

we run 3p hotshot in legendary speeds but the choice of double HG is just personal preference, it's absolutely not required

[stark dawn]

OK, but still, the White Death is somewhat mystifying. I am not even sure if it is worth the effort farming these days, as opposed to M700 or SR-1

[onyx sage]

you already can meet the threshold just by using chainkiller and fox

so the pic you're commenting on again is meant for everyday farming, not for legendary speeds, in which case having more hsd is usually better because of lower shd not typically prioritizing hsd during watch leveling

but that doesn't mean model 700 or sr-1 is not recommended, they can use it if they have it or prefer it

[solar sable]

The initial question was "sniper pve build". Raids were not even mentioned

[lost wren]

thanks

[onyx sage]

and we have the average player in mind when we give our advice, if they wanted something specific they would ask specifically for builds for that content

[stark dawn]

Sure, but the mechanics is shared, so I questioned why the specific White Death, and as somewhat a side remark the Airaldi

I think many of us do not necessarily have a separate open-world “PvE” one. I for instance just run my 3-piece raid add-control one open-world.

[onyx sage]

yeah but most people just want their first few builds, if they are at your level they wouldn't ask for these in the first place

[lost wren]

i might use the mantis for the fact that it resets decoy cooldown

but white death as main mr is fine no?
or are there better options?

[onyx sage]

"better" depends on the content you do, for 99% of content either of what you said is fine

[lost wren]

fair

[urban latch]

Airaldi>gift for damage. The hsd really doesn't matter that much

[stark dawn]

Sure, I can accept that as the goal of the build (since double HG will be nasty to farm), but then the advice of White Death for its HSD runs counter to that.

[urban latch]

I mean the m700 is stronger. The white death is close enough that it doesn't really matter, so if someone has it experienced up it's NBD to just use that

[stark dawn]

Well, my other unease is this being advertised to new players, when they can just craft their way to a M700. It’s more the old-time sniping people have the White Death due to pre-nerf stats, and possibly a lot of materials invested in its expertise.

[vestal ibex]

White death is an easy get tho.

There are even missions that have a high chance to drop it.

UPDATED NAMED ITEM DROP LIST

Camp White Oak: Pyromaniac, Mechanical Animal, Kingbreaker.
The Pentagon: New Reliable.
DARPA Research Labs: Lefty.
Roosevelt Island: White Death.
Manning National Zoo: White Death.
Coney Island: Burn Out, Born Great.
Tidal Basin: Dare, Big Show.
Coney Island Ballpark: Tabula Rasa, Carnage.
Bank Headquarters: Cabaret, Grown Great, Swap Chain.
Capitol Hill: Safety Distance, Emeline's Guard, Cold Relations.
Viewpoint Museum: Cuelebre, Tsunami
Disctrict Union Arena: Baker's Dozen, Stage Left.
Space Administration HQ: Ekim's Long Stick, Designated Hitter, Scalpel.
Air & Space Museum: Prophet.
Plaza: Invisible Hand, Glory Daze, Test Subject.
Jefferson Trade Center: Quiet Roar.
Federal Emergency Bunker: Boomstick, Backup Boomstick, The Mop.
American History Museum: Surge, Artist's Tool.
Potomac Event Center: Relic, Commando.
Grand Washington Hotel: Lightning Rod.

DROPS STILL SUBJECT TO RNG.

[subtle bluff]

Both work for top end dmg.

The idea why we suggest them is for new players they haven't perfectly optimize their builds so they won't have great Max first shot damage to stack HH well. Telling to do this way first gives them best chance to do it. Just like souless said it's not that hard to White Death.

[vestal ibex]

Edited my message to include the named items, so Roosevelt if you don't hate yourself and Zoo if you do.

[grizzled garnet]

tbh... its the difference between hitting for 25 mill or 26 mill. the enemy is still gonna be dead

[vestal ibex]

But I feel better having bigger numbers! I don't care about the build being functionally the same!

[grizzled garnet]

[vestal ibex]

3-2-1 MMR build. WD VS M700. I know this isn't a noob build but I'll be putting up a noob item build here in a sec for comparison.

Starter MMR build suggested. WD VS M700. If you are wondering which number set is WD and which is M700 it's WD as first image, the WD always having higher first shot damage cause of it's HSD being higher.

These two builds are functionally the same. At the same exact amounts of no/half/full stack they would kill the same exact thing.

[subtle bluff]

Again the advice is higher the easier for new players so there 1st shot can stack HH better, kill and just start the chain. The max/3rd shot dmg yes it should always do enough to kill anything.

I always advice almost any single shot MMR works m700 carbon, sr1 and .308 work well too just remind them that they need to understand HH stacks.

[grizzled garnet]

Which is top for hotshot tho? White death?

[subtle bluff]

I posted the chart for it

[grizzled garnet]

Ok so wd

[hexed steppe]

When it comes to headhunter, all the bolts are capable, also handbasket. They will all 1 shot... The entire build is noob friendly due to determined doing 90% of the work, So why wouldn't it be reccommended

[subtle bluff]

There isn’t an overall top.

[stark dawn]

Then explain instead of recommending a particular one.

[vestal ibex]

How you do explain "it doesn't matter"?

[hexed steppe]

Why?

[vestal ibex]

Most of them are functionally the same.

[stark dawn]

Well, why bother making players understand the reasoning in the build?

[hexed steppe]

Advice is to get someone started. White death for example can hit that 150% hsd even if the entire build is just bad.
The guides have all this info in the breakdowns

[meager fog]

The reasoning is:

Any bolt action rifle will one shot everything on the map.

[stark dawn]

It seems you do not understand the mechanics with the helmets.

[vestal ibex]

Simply HH is like throwing a ball(your damage hit) over a wall(the enemy health) and as long as that ball goes over the wall it's the same result. On most of these builds having a bit more damage still does the same exact thing.

[hexed steppe]

So when someone asks for a sniper setup, I should make them understand every little facet of the build?
Player gets what they ask for, then fine tunes the build to their liking as they learn the important things first hand by "doing for self".

[vestal ibex]

Was the difference between the starter suggested build and the 3-2-1 build enough for you to ever suggest or concern about using it?

[hexed steppe]

This is kinda funny tbh. I needed a chuckle

[stark dawn]

My initial concern was that someone asked about a “META” and the correct answer should have been there isn’t one.

[meager fog]

I believe this person is intentionally being confrontational.

Apparently......."Bullet hit head, head go pop" is somewhat difficult to understand.

[vestal ibex]

Sorry I didn't see this until you just moved that goal post.

[hexed steppe]

So build advice is here to turn people away?

[stark dawn]

👆

[solar sable]

My God. You made a whole arguement just because "there isn't a 'META' sniper build"? Wow.
How pointless.

[vestal ibex]

Link your message stating "there isn't a meta" I just see one where you suggested what you thought was meta.

[heavy escarp]

anyone able to throw a link to a "medic" build? i just hit level 40 and im just wondering what i should be looking for in terms of gearset drops / weapons

[lost wren]

good gracious i started this whole thing by just asking about a headhunter determined hot shot build 😭

[meager fog]

THe very argument that there isn't a meta is flawed in the first place. There is ALWAYS a meta, just as there is always a BiS

[stark dawn]

👆

[hexed steppe]

Its time to take a breather I think. The build was posted that is solid. White death nerf was reverted a while back so it is a top contender

[vestal ibex]

Sorry maybe I just can't read. Just wanting to see where they said anything about "there isn't a meta sniper build" Oh well.

[lost wren]

it's between sr-1, white death, and m700 right?

[vestal ibex]

It pretty much doesn't matter.

[lost wren]

makes sense lol

i just wanted something to try mastery to get that wolf pack hunter mask

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message

#td2-build-advice message

Here you can see two builds and WD vs M700.

[hexed steppe]

White death and model 700 are top, then sr1, m700carbon, handbasket after that

But it's just how high you want your ceilings

[meager fog]

As already said, doesn't matter which....nothing is surviving being shot in the head with any of them

[lost wren]

i finished up making the wd variant, only thing is though i don't have sharpshooter leveled up

[hexed steppe]

Personally I'm on sr1 and carbon across my 4 alts

[solar sable]

time to grind some xp with the build

[vestal ibex]

Don't need it.

tbf if you have a chain killer and WD you'll have enough damage to link shots regardless of the rest of your build.

[hexed steppe]

Make that model 700

I gotta drive, play nice or grandpa gonna call your mom👴

[subtle bluff]

This makes me want to make a full guide....

[fiery gust]

Handbasket doesn't have the highest damage, but it sure is fun to use. I swapped my SR-1 and SRS A1 to it on my 2 characters.

[meager fog]

Be sure to specify every detail.....down to what underpants you need to be wearing to make it work properly on a wednesday

[subtle bluff]

Oh I do that.

[meager fog]

I dont see how "Shoot head,,,head pop" isnt a full explanation tbh lmao

[subtle bluff]

I'll get that. Needs probably some graphics to it.

[solar sable]

I would love to become a nerd- I mean a very knowledgeable division player

[hexed steppe]

Do some flow charts with it

[meager fog]

What you driving? The tardis?

[vestal ibex]

HH guides issue is that you need one for simple folk and one that goes into a full page of math.

A huge gap between what works for solo heroic or what works for 4 man legendary chunga helms also makes it difficult.

[stark flicker]

is 580k on a crit good for 58chd?

[vestal ibex]

Not enough context to say. What's the build? Weapon? Modifiers? Team mates? Distance? Head body armor plates? What's your SHD level?

[stark flicker]

shd 300 od iwi negev with sadist solo ragers od chest catharsis mask imminence backpack with wicked

56.2chc

[vestal ibex]

Eh sounds about normal.

[stark flicker]

I'm working on getting a ceska backpack and better rolls as well as prepping for master mode when climax drops

[subtle bluff]

Tell us your dps this has no context behind it next time.

[worn mango]

I'd love to know the math on a chest roll with double crit and the correct talent when it's a blue core. Damn unicorns

[subtle bluff]

hmm?

[hexed steppe]

Hg

[worn mango]

Lengmo double crit with glass

The math on getting that drop

[hexed steppe]

Nvm 🤦‍♂️

[worn mango]

If attributes are weighed equally it's 1/2640 actually if my math is right

[stark dawn]

I think the game has some correlated benefit for the attributes being the same color. Never seen anybody posting what that correlation value is, though. Would be interested to know.

They are not weighted equally, unfortunately.

[hexed steppe]

You know what needs to be done 🔥

[worn mango]

Imagine trying to understand the weighted average of attributes by core lol

Even 1/2640 isn't fun

[stark dawn]

Yes, imagine a few years back trying to get the Golan backpack with skill haste, status effect, and something like creeping death (and it cannot be crafted, need to get it drop).

[worn mango]

Yeah for sure

[hexed steppe]

Lots of unicorns in this game if min/maxing

[worn mango]

This is my first that I've really tried to get honestly

[hexed steppe]

You need mortar in your life

[worn mango]

I do and I hate it

And I knew I would but I still did it

[hexed steppe]

That's too bad. If you were on pc I could teach you how to use it

[solar sable]

you have a double skill Sacrifice?!?!

[hexed steppe]

x4*

[solar sable]

you shush

[hexed steppe]

Mortar on all alts or go home

[worn mango]

That's not even that bad

[hexed steppe]

The grupo are quite a pita

[worn mango]

Yeah that took awhile. And yeah, on mortar, I think it's just skill gameplay that I really don't vibe with

[hexed steppe]

Then you got the 🦄 setup bags

[worn mango]

But I'm really liking Pesti now, seeing stuff melt is hilarious

[stark dawn]

The Grupo has become much more manageable, now seeing many with the Ninja Bike backpack. In the early days, though, and without optimization/Countdown…

[hexed steppe]

Agreed, if you dont predict the spawns/pathing it definitely isnt as fun.
Or if one is still in self delete mode

[worn mango]

Yeah, I play a ton if not always solo

And if I'm in a group I'd rather run OD

Or even CC foam, something like that

I'm trying to rationalize that if I get a double crit oblit I'll be happy but I won't

[hexed steppe]

Just gotta take that stinger hive and throw it out during extraction... I hear loot just starts raining on you after that... ymmv

[worn mango]

lol

Or I can shoot with max pesti stacks and unstoppable force and everything melts into the ground

I've said the entire time even before I built it I know it'd be a skill issue @hexed steppe and I was correct lol

lol double crit with empathetic resolve. siggghhhhh

[scenic palm]

How much crit damage should I
have on a HF build because my damage seems oddly low.

[lone wadi]

you can just do the math yourself - see how many red 'slots' you have avaliable to be rolled for crit damage and add that onto your weapon and base crit dmg and thats your max for that build

different builds have different stats so its very hard to tell you what your number should be

[hexed steppe]

get your build to minimum 50% chc and dump rest into chd. hf is a crit starved set, but smg should have a ton of chance to make that up. if using shotgun youre just gonna be low.

[scenic palm]

I'm at 50.9 CHT and 125 crit damage, is that alright?

[hexed steppe]

with or without global modifier active?

[cerulean smelt]

the global modifier added makes a huge difference. once this season ends that build you have if that's your chc/chd will be much lower

[hexed steppe]

i think theyre on. in the build app they have it somewhat updated now and im seeing like 54/93 from a backfire/hf/grupo/ceska . i dont have actual in game numbers off the top of my head so i not 100 on it. im sure someone will correct me if its inaccurate

[scenic palm]

That's all with the modifier off

[subtle bluff]

0.o
Empathetic Resolve pesti?

[hexed steppe]

looks good from my house then, you wont get a ton from the gear. youll see some damage increase depending on the talents. should just post up the build

[scenic palm]

It's 4 piece HF with memento and sokolov chest with intermediate, Dark winter as my main weapon.

[cerulean smelt]

auto spell checker at it's finest (> <)

[zenith thorn]

When recalibrating a bullet king, it already has the core attribute "DMG to target out of cover", does this mean it's impossible to roll DMG to TOC as the random attribute as well?

[lone wadi]

yes, you should aim to roll crit chance or dmg to armour there

[zenith thorn]

Thanks for that.

[subtle bluff]

really CHC is worth a lot more that DTA.

[sudden cloak]

Exo Lmgs really lack solid chc mods, that why most suggest rolling chc as the 3rd

[subtle bluff]

Uh? HE LMGs has the same CHC mods as ARs.

[sudden cloak]

I meant the exo

[subtle bluff]

No just in general CHC is value most than DTH and DTA

[sudden cloak]

Let me edit that real quick lol

[subtle bluff]

Even then tho Iron Lung has 10 CHC and 20 CHD!

[shy willow]

Iron lung my goat

[subtle bluff]

Come out pretty well at the end.

YEEE I love Iron Lung.

[shy willow]

About the only LMG I'll regularly use

[subtle bluff]

I use bluescreen too

[sudden cloak]

What build do you use it with?

[subtle bluff]

Nego only on 4 man Leggo.

Now that thing has no Crit mods

[sudden cloak]

Nego, bluescreen, 4 man leggo

Kinda want to see how it performs myself

[subtle bluff]

I need to make a build guide for but the playstyle is pretty different at first.

It's a great build I've carry a few leggo with it.

Expect for the last sections of Zoo and Tidal

[soft apex]

Is there a good build for any of the M1As?

[subtle bluff]

OD

[soft apex]

What's that?

[solar sable]

ongoing directive

[soft apex]

Oki doki 🫡

Anything specific I should be looking for with the set?

Or the M1A?

[subtle bluff]

Let me grab the build

[subtle bluff]

The skill should be Banshee Pulse and the other weapon can be w/e you want to play with for it.

[soft apex]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

The idea is OD Chest, Wicked and Sadist.

[soft apex]

Alright alright

Good thing I have foxes prayer already

[subtle bluff]

same with foxes is just an easy time but there are better stuff

Yup GL HF.

[soft apex]

The M1A CQB I have is future perfect but I should be able to change it.

I do have sadist. Mwehehehehehe

Im also currently hunting the hunters.

[quaint rampart]

Is there a talent that buffs your damage based on your previous killing damage besides headhunter?

[onyx sage]

no

[fair dragon]

Pummel, kinda

[last schooner]

Anyone got an optimal HB build?

[subtle bluff]

what kind of optimal?

[meager fog]

Not really that much difference between HB builds and Strikers/Hunters Fury.

You're just sacrificing DPS for survivability ultimately.

[subtle bluff]

I mean diffrent pieces are used for all 3 gearsets/

Different enough.

[last schooner]

Is there a good balance between dps and survivability? 3 blue 3 red for HB? Coyote/contractors (i use lmg)?

[subtle bluff]

You need Ceska

[last schooner]

Instead of coyote?

[subtle bluff]

Yea

[last schooner]

Purely for the chc?

[subtle bluff]

Or contractors

The value of not having stats into CHC so you can have more CHD is a pretty big

[meager fog]

I would recommend using Memento if you wanted an exotic with HB

[subtle bluff]

HB BP isn't something IMO people should rely on

[last schooner]

Ok so memento and contractors or ceska

[meager fog]

I mean personally, I would roll all to red cores. But that's your preference.

Try changing one at a time to see what works for you.

[subtle bluff]

Ceska

[meager fog]

Imo you're already sacrificing ALOT of DPS by using HB in the first place, and massively increasing your survivability even before adding any blue cores

[subtle bluff]

Get your CHC to closest to 60% without going over cap

It's bunch but not that much.

Other than Blue vs Red cores and RoF different HB get's more Amp per stack than Strikers.

[meager fog]

True, but 15% rof buff cannot but understated.

[subtle bluff]

I do not disagree but I just mentioning it.

0.9 vs 1.1 too

oops

[meager fog]

I would also say to OP, in higher difficulties, that bonus armour isn't going to do much, if anything especially if you're solo. With everything focusing fire on you even at full stack that armour won't last.

[subtle bluff]

By no means HB keeps up with Strikers.

The bonus armor are is just buffer for you it'll save you but don't think you can tank with it basically.

[meager fog]

Snipers and heavier enemies will still one ping your armour so use it as an emergency buffer. You're still essentially made of glass

[wanton token]

I heard that the new event is good for expertise? anyone know how to do it and what build?

[echo cradle]

Just need to know if build is good.

[worn elbow]

Put aa12 instead of dark winter and your good

[meager fog]

I mean....its a standard dps build

[echo cradle]

mhm

[echo cradle]

yeah but im making some adjustments.

[meager fog]

Like what? With the exception of using spotter instead of Obliterate (which is better) it's literally the cookie cutter build

[worn elbow]

Like what?

[echo cradle]

well, actually, not really adjustments.

[meager fog]

And for God sake open your caches

[echo cradle]

I just need to get obliterate instead. thing is i dont have any extractables to well, extract it.

[worn elbow]

Just get a better chest piece with higher attributes or optimize the one you got

[echo cradle]

already optimized.

[worn elbow]

@meager fog btw if you don’t mind me asking what outfit bundles are back in shop?

[worn elbow]

To max?

[meager fog]

And put a mod on it

[echo cradle]

already done

[meager fog]

No idea, not online atm

[worn elbow]

Oh k thanks and sorry for @

[meager fog]

Lol I dont mind being pinged

[echo cradle]

kind of forgot, lowk been a while since i played

but i just optimized it now.

[worn elbow]

Why hazard protection is on that?

[echo cradle]

got it from clan cache. and just used it to fix crit

[urban latch]

Don't waste mats optimizing that chest

[echo cradle]

i mean weapon.

[worn elbow]

Oh k

[echo cradle]

also, dont mind me pinging you but whats the best way to get shd calibration?

[worn elbow]

I had a chest piece like that maxed crit chance and I changed the 2nd attribute to max crit damage and it already had obliterate but had low weapon damage and had to farm for while to get it to max

[worn elbow]

Ngl I don’t remember

[echo cradle]

also, what does hazard protection do? sorry. its been a while since i played.

[worn elbow]

What’s your shd lvl?

[echo cradle]

2094

last played on like february. just played recently for brooklyn

[worn elbow]

Dam then just use scavenger tree for calibration

[echo cradle]

alright

[meager fog]

Gives protection against all status effects. Burn, Shock, disrupt etc. By lowering the damage and/or the duration.

There are set values where you become immune to certain status effects depending on your resistance %

[echo cradle]

alright

maxed now

[meager fog]

Poison - 96%

Ensnare - 93%

Bleed - 93%

Blind/Deaf - 91%

Burn - 91%

Disorient - 93%

Disrupt - 96%

Shock - 84%

Just incase you wondered what those thresholds were

[echo cradle]

Mhm, thanks.

[mild mortar]

I want to test a blue armor regen build. What build do you recommend to try?

[thorny solstice]

Just go with something like this, Memento gives enough regen to keep u alive and you will have good dps. Use whatever weapon u like.
Pure regen is pretty bad...you are giving up soooo much damage.

[mild mortar]

Cool, thx! Will try!

[mild mortar]

But what are those red ones on your gear? CHD?

[meager fog]

CHC until you hit 60% then CHD

[mild mortar]

Cool!

[sudden cloak]

You can also tailor the build to smgs and that rate your could swap off ceska for sokolov

[split plank]

i'm curious dabling around a bit on some suport stuff, does damage and debuffs stack ? , like if i run 4x future iniative + oportunist + scorpion

[sudden cloak]

That there is the staple of healer builds my friend

[cosmic holly]

What’s better on a dps build, pesti or the pakhan

[split plank]

niceee i'm still getting my head around on some builds and noticed that but didnt knew how buffs and debuffs works, so it all stacks if they come from different sources ?

[sudden cloak]

Affirmative, just please sure to check how long each 1 debuff last, as some are much shorter than others

[split plank]

ohh i can reach some funny numbers knowing that now

[split plank]

Any recomendations, i'm currently only with stryker, eclipse and know future iniative

[sudden cloak]

Highest I've seen on a strikers dps build with backfire is around 8m to the head, specifically on lovebirds in the incursion

[split plank]

question about that is just that they are additive on each other right, not multiplactive ?

[split plank]

gonna check that, got backfire a couple days ago, but gotta recalibrate for DOTC

[sudden cloak]

You won't hit 8m without expertise and a fully optimized build

And a solid healer

[sudden cloak]

Pretty they're all their own separate multipliers that stack together

[split plank]

i see

[split plank]

yeah i know that a full watch will help on that , i'm still on the road to 1k on the watch, got 600 yesterday

[sudden cloak]

Having your watch maxed certainly makes builds easier to make, but for things like the incursion it isn't exactly necessary as long as you have a well put together build and decent enough group

[meager fog]

An AR 😅

But out of those two, the Pahkan. Pestilence lacks DPS unless you stack the ticks properly

Depends how you've built tbh

[vestal ibex]

If you build to take advantage of pest ticks you've nerfed yourself already.

[meager fog]

Pahkan wins out for me, because mag size buff

But if you want an LMG that hits nice DPS, my secondary currently is a BM M60 E6 with strained that hits like a truck. 1.2-1.3m damage when ramped up

[slate wedge]

try negev

[meager fog]

I would if I got a good one to drop 😉

[slate wedge]

same, crafted one but i don’t wanna spend 2 million points on optimisation

[cosmic holly]

True true an AR is a good rounder

That and I run striker for dps

[meager fog]

Ar > Lmg for a few reasons.

Effective DPS. (Accuracy, Stability, Reload Speed all affect that)

More shots hit, higher RPM, faster reloads, more bullets, more hits...you get the idea.

Theres a reason most don't run LMGs for DPS.

LMGs hit like a truck, but they also waste alot of effective DPS.

[cosmic holly]

Me who just runs it for fun

[meager fog]

Yup, same here. It's why I use one as a secondary. Raining bullets is hilarious.

There's another reason people use ARs though, outside of effective DPS.

Striker Shield to protect your squishy DPS focussed ass

[cosmic holly]

Nah no shield

[lament reef]

shield is so nice for bum rushing though

suck this DTTOOC, yellow bar

[cosmic holly]

I run 5 red cores with one blue

[meager fog]

I run 6 red and use shield. Because shield = free armour and extended cover

and it's much more reliable than the armour you wear lol

[subtle bluff]

M249, Pesti and Iron Lung would argue with you about DPS and most of that.
There's a balance. Stats wise.

My main leggo builds that I do pretty good and carry sometimes both run an LMG.