td2-build-advice

[violet juniper]

Wouldn't Bluescreen be kinda better?

Bluescreen with a fire sticky and foam or something lmao

[onyx sage]

idk ask them what they were going for

the thing with damage EP is the dta is quite impactful

it's why running shotguns or capacitor is really preferred

[violet juniper]

Capacitor is better unless you run scorpio

even then, id prefer capacitor for the damage boost

[onyx sage]

you get the idea. statuses don't work with dttooc and any gun class other than capacitor or shotgun just has less dta

[hoary valve]

heartbreaker build for pfe

[cerulean smelt]

won't get much protection from elites on it unless you opt into having Chill out mask or 1 or 2 improvised pieces

[hoary valve]

i was going to run improvised mask and memento

and don't understand to run for the core attributes and the atrributes for the mask and the hb gear

[cerulean smelt]

why improvised mask? can just use a gearset or some random brand set mask?

[violet juniper]

Don't you get two slots on improv?

[cerulean smelt]

no, just 1 mod slot, chill out mask is the only one that gets 2 mod slots

[hoary valve]

which i don't have the chill out mask

[onyx sage]

improvised gear is only useful if they're on gloves, holster or knees

[cerulean smelt]

when i said improvised i meant in gloves/knees/holster kind of thing

[onyx sage]

otherwise you only still have 1 mod slot for the top 3

[subtle bluff]

Are you just building a bunch of builds to do so? Or are you trying to find something?

[hoary valve]

yes so i don't get burn out of this game i was burnt of bo6

[subtle bluff]

Just checking.

[cerulean smelt]

honestly, you'll hit a point where you'll burn out on division 2

[hoary valve]

not if division 3 drops

[solar sable]

bro thinks div3 will come out next year

[cerulean smelt]

i think that's a long ways out if it ever does come out

[hoary valve]

i thought 27 not 26

[solar sable]

Not even close

[subtle bluff]

We have no year at all. It could be even longer.

[hoary valve]

talking about year

[solar sable]

At least 5 years more until a teaser releases or sum

[cerulean smelt]

basically they announced it's in development
so expect an extremely long time before we get more on it

[odd ginkgo]

I'm going to make my own Div3 with hookers and blackjack!

[hoary valve]

but are they going to add more dlcs to division 2 or keep as it is if they keep it as it is idk about lots of people playing it

if they do have more dlcs i can see it grow

[subtle bluff]

No this should have been the last DLC.

[cerulean smelt]

assuming we got infrastructure keys, i can see they add stuff for those keys

[subtle bluff]

This DLC has been in the works for a while.

[cerulean smelt]

they also showed us this#news-and-announcements message

[hoary valve]

have you played the first one it would been great if they added the tunnels

[odd ginkgo]

Ah yes, the deer herd management simulator teaser.

[hoary valve]

i mean the The Underground DLC in the division

[subtle bluff]

Confused.

[hoary valve]

lets get back on topic

[subtle bluff]

Ah Div1. No I never played Div1

[hoary valve]

you get good loot from their and also hard

[subtle bluff]

I've only been playing div2 for 16 months now.

Ok?

[hoary valve]

for the pfe would this be good ?

[subtle bluff]

What the goal?

[cerulean smelt]

btw: Protection from Elites only reduces the damage of yellow barred npcs, purple and reds will still destroy you

[subtle bluff]

You need to give more context when asking questions for builds.

[hoary valve]

i will figure it out on myself don't need help rn

[subtle bluff]

Then why ask.

[autumn yacht]

aura farming ngl

[hoary valve]

ask to get advice

[subtle bluff]

.......

[solar sable]

Want advice? Give more context about what's the goal of the build and you shall receive it.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm starting to think they're a youtuber trying to crack the code to curing cancer but an under utilized div 2 build

[hoary valve]

nvm forget it

[subtle bluff]

This is like asking the guy at the auto store is this good oil for my car?

[hoary valve]

it's a bad build anyways

[cerulean smelt]

while driving an EV?

[subtle bluff]

I mean... The context isn't there even!

👀 🧐

[cerulean smelt]

well, if you started of with "is protection from elites good for legendary?" could've steered you in a better direction, but all we got is you asking if your pfe is good?

[subtle bluff]

Help us, help you.

[cerulean smelt]

i bet MrChow has a legendary build that's solid

if not mrchow at least AveragePlayer probably does

[onyx sage]

i wouldn't recommend my builds for the average player. my name is a lie

[hazy steeple]

@onyx sage I can change your name to be more accurate if you'd like,

[cerulean smelt]

probably but you could probably ask "this solo legendary or 2-4 player legendary?" and at least given them a build or 2 that would be good

[onyx sage]

no thanks i like selling snake oil still. don't wanna go out of business before retirement

[hoary valve]

probably going to search one up on youtube

[hazy steeple]

That is the equivalent of buying a motorcycle helmet off Temu.

[solar sable]

why? Is it because the internet is full of crap? Oh wait, YouTube is also part of the internet!

[cerulean smelt]

people here can help you
i can't as i don't run legendary
did it enough to get big Horn and the dyes and i'm done doing them
kind of like the raids and incursion got what i needed no need to do painful things anymore

[hoary valve]

no my head full of crap okay and idc if i'm talking shit about my self already depressed

[subtle bluff]

Let him spend his efforts the way he wants. He choose to use it else where go for it. We're here but just like the web you need to give search context to find the right answers.

[hoary valve]

and the only break i get from life is playing video games and no i don't have a social life because everyone ignores me

[hazy steeple]

It is funny how often this server turns into budget therapy sessions.

I really need to start charging more.

[cerulean smelt]

name change? Rivens the A.I Lesbion PHD?

[hazy steeple]

I genuinely can't understand what that says, and I feel like it's not just due to my advancing years.

@cerulean smelt Shh, I'm undercover. Having it in my name is a quick way to get sued.

[cerulean smelt]

i can't even spell 😭

[hazy steeple]

Almost no one on this server can, dw.

[subtle bluff]

We have this room!

[subtle bluff]

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I hate English

[cerulean smelt]

complete with bouncy walls and floor? a nice white uniform?

[hoary valve]

and good builds for Paradise Lost Incursion

[solar sable]

FI healer, strikers and chow take the rest

chow supreme king of incursions!

[hoary valve]

strikers gear

if so i will go crazy

[solar sable]

@subtle bluff Incursion mentioned

[hoary valve]

its always striker

have you tried anything else besides striker gear

[solar sable]

I actually have, lots of different builds

but I main HHF for several reasons (just 3)

[hazy steeple]

@hoary valve Strikers is fairly overtuned right now, and has been for quite a while. You get used to it being everywhere.

[subtle bluff]

4pc Strikers Chest+BP and a ACS12
and FI healer once you get to the bosses.

[subtle bluff]

Yes it sucks for incursion. You can but everything take way longer to do and ups the possibles of wiping.

[hoary valve]

overturn it because i'm basically looking for armor and damage

[subtle bluff]

what almost every other players says when there new here.

[hoary valve]

and striker not good with everthing

[subtle bluff]

"Looking for a Tank/DPS build" or "I want to build off meta builds"

[solar sable]

kinda right but not much

[subtle bluff]

It's literally the build that can be used in every single part of the content in division.

Now do we all use it all the time no. It's just safe go to.

[solar sable]

you can trust Chow's word when it comes to Incursion or general builds

[hazy steeple]

"overtuned" here meaning "too strong compared to other builds that can do similar things".
you pretty much can use it for anything, because even with a bunch of blues, it'll still out DPS most setups.

[hoary valve]

is any tank builds for Paradise Lost Incursion

[solar sable]

idrk if tanks are a good thing for Incursion

[hazy steeple]

In the Incursion, for most cases you just wanna kill stuff faster, unless the meta has changed.

[subtle bluff]

No it literary makes it harder to do.

[onyx sage]

incursion is literally just a big dps check. it's not a tank check. it's not a skill check

[solar sable]

even if there were any, Wright's fight is about aggro iirc

[subtle bluff]

It's the funniest thing to me watching players try to tank him to me at least. It's bad I know.

[onyx sage]

so if you already know what to do (which isn't a concern when you join a lfg) all you care about is dps

if you vy away from that you're just wasting time

[violet juniper]

that MF is scary

[solar sable]

agreed

[subtle bluff]

They all go down at some point and I am just sitting around waiting for the argo to transfer and keeping up my stacks.

[violet juniper]

Wright is actually mentioned in a Brooklyn voice clip

[subtle bluff]

Really?

[violet juniper]

one of the lore bits you pick up

I think it's in the refinery mission, Danvers and another person discuss the purple flame they tested on wright

It also confirms that paradise lost occurs canonically before BfB

not that interesting, but I found it pretty cool

[hazy steeple]

It did drop a year or so before.

[violet juniper]

Outside of the game yeah

I'm not sure when the raids take place though. I just like that there's mentions of the outsider content, makes them feel less isolated if that makes sense

[hazy steeple]

Div doesn't really mess with timelines, or care that much about them for that matter.
Raids came out 6+ years ago now, so you can attest that they're at least set before the events of WONY.

granted, this is all very unrelated to #td2-build-advice, so I'll stop now.

[lost wren]

what's the skill build that most people use for pvp?

[lone wadi]

people dont normally use skill builds

theyre often looked at as cheesy or no skill

[lost wren]

so i've noticed 💀

[lone wadi]

what kind u looking for tho

[lost wren]

i didn't really know there was multiple
i'm kind of just trying to fill out my loadouts right now for different situations

[lone wadi]

its just fire sticky and mortar

[lost wren]

makes sense

what brand sets or gear sets?

[lone wadi]

you can scroll in the pvp discussions chat for a nice mortar build bazookas sent

for fire its just skill dmg and status effects whatever, hard to mess up

[lost wren]

yeah the attributes and cores are pretty simple

[lone wadi]

imo its pretty boring gameplay but can be pretty funny once in a while so i just normally use guns and have demolitionist saved on a slot so i can manually swap the pieces in

[lost wren]

ye

i much prefer gunplay but like i said, just trying to diversify a bit with my loadouts

might be a good idea to get the brooklyn dlc and finish that off

[lone wadi]

thats a pretty good idea consider smart cover seems really strong

[lost wren]

the hunter masks from there have balaclavas that's unironically the main reason 😭

[steady horizon]

What's up w all these big horn regen builds ruling the dz.

Devs need to nerf that shit

[lost wren]

high damage, tankiness, and a counter to status effect slop

[steady horizon]

I put out a ton of damage but they get their armor back constantly it's crazy

Its way too much

[lone wadi]

its not that crazy bro

its just prolly cause its harder to aim than it is to strafe on playstation, cause most people who use that build just starts strafing around when they get low and you can barely chip past adrenaline rush

[static shadow]

Is there a viable infinite ammo lmg build. I swore ive seen one

[subtle bluff]

The only reason I would never need "infinite" ammo is when I have to carry a bad group .

[hexed steppe]

ongoing directive

[subtle bluff]

So the reasons I need more ammo is that you're not doing enough dmg.

[versed summit]

Literally just steady handed gr9 or bullet king

[hexed steppe]

youll still run out. od keeps proccing spec ammo and can effectively be infinite

[hazy steeple]

Fun fact: you can just use a skill like the Foam Chem in order to proc OD for totally free.

and it's useful on the build already, so it's not even a wasted slot.

[static shadow]

@subtle bluff nah for ammo hoarders. I don't like to always snipe lol

[subtle bluff]

Do more dmg.

Use less bullets and hit your targets better use OD with Rifles.

[static shadow]

Yet still leads his team in damage with hoarders on yawn next

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

[static shadow]

How about also sometimes I don't want to reload and use bullet king hmmm lol

[subtle bluff]

Go for it we're not stopping you

[static shadow]

But thanks for the advice above and not the run around

[prime jay]

Do y’all have any builds where there isn’t much prep needed besides shoot bad guy

[lone wadi]

striker lol

[hazy steeple]

Strikers requires build up and/or maintaining the stacks.

[subtle bluff]

"Prep"?

[lone wadi]

which is just shoot bad guy

[hazy steeple]

It's literally not.

Full-red high-end setup requires literally no setup or preparation.

[lone wadi]

and its way harder to make

[hazy steeple]

Countdown.

[solar sable]

everything is pew pew in this game except for skill builds

[hexed steppe]

nah, strikers is the ultimate, point here, shoot build

[subtle bluff]

Strikers doesn't require stacks to do dmg.. It does dmg jsut fine.

[lone wadi]

countdown doesnt guarantee the rolls or the talents you want

[hazy steeple]

It does if you want to kill things fast enough in higher difficulties.

@lone wadi No one is that lazy.

[lone wadi]

you only have to worry about 2 pieces with striker

[subtle bluff]

In squads sure but then you want it's peak dmg.

[solar sable]

Nothing does FYI.

[prime jay]

Would y’all think a Strega strike build from like 2 months back would still be viable

[lone wadi]

yes but with striker you only need to farm longer for 2 pieces

[hexed steppe]

all striker pieces are also essentially god rolled since they roll red core

[lone wadi]

you can use any weapon you want tbh

[lone wadi]

👍

[hazy steeple]

The term "godrolled" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
"properly rolled" works though.

[prime jay]

There’s a lot of options like blue screen Lexington and Strega so idk which one to use

[lone wadi]

whichever one you want

if you want the most dmg its prolly gonna be lex tho

[subtle bluff]

both require kills and/or stacks for the talent to work.

[hazy steeple]

The more important thing there is that you don't need to use Exotics or a specific named item to get a build to work, just throw on any old high-end AR that has a similar fire-rate to the Lex's base gun and a Talent helps you out, and you can kill stuff with it on Striker.

[prime jay]

Turns out the Strega build I was referring to is 8 months old 💀

Do yall think it could still run well

[subtle bluff]

The standard striker build is like 2-3 years old and is fine still..

[prime jay]

Idk if that a good or bad thing lol

[hazy steeple]

You could use a pointy stick with a frowny face drawn on it and still get kills with Striker and a few stacks.

[subtle bluff]

Following up with what Riven said.

Not every exotic/named gear/weapon is good nor is needed for every build.

[ionic scaffold]

Any SMG suggestions for an HF build with scorpio aside from Dark Winter? Thanks. Currently using Banshee.

[hazy steeple]

Just any high-end SMG with a decent fire-rate. HF does a lot to prop them up.

[solar sable]

Vector, Tac Vector or smg-9

[subtle bluff]

Tac Vector 9mm or either SMG9 w/Killer

[hazy steeple]

and a partridge in a pear tree

[odd ginkgo]

When something works, and you enjoy using it, then it's great. What difficulty level are you planning to play the build in?

[candid talon]

But, do keep in mind DW is usually the optimal or close to optimal SMG and it's not as hard to get as people think since the first two attributes and talent always comes the same and you just have to edit the third so with a bit of investment and attention to DZ vendors or getting named boxes from CD runs will get you one relatively fast.

Unless you legitimately just dont like the gun for some reason.

[ionic scaffold]

Thanks. Unfortunately didnt get the DW a few weeks ago since I just started back then but currently deciding between the tac vector SBR 9mm vs the non tac version.

[odd ginkgo]

I like the Lady Death exotic SMG. However I do prefer the Dark Winter over it.

[candid talon]

Lady Death used to be absolute borked lol

Now it's... alright. Rarely worth the exotic slot.

[odd ginkgo]

I still run it on an Umbra build. It just dumps the mag so quickly, lol.

[subtle bluff]

Tac Vector 9mm w/Killer does more DPS than DW.

[devout iris]

any open world build for the pakhan ?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers works fine.

[odd ginkgo]

@lilac notch these are the drops

[grizzled garnet]

for sniper hotshot it mentions the m700. does that include the m700 carbon or is that different?

[subtle bluff]

Yes they are different. M700 does more than the carbon is easier to handle and reloads faster. You can use either when solo.

[grizzled garnet]

🙏

[grizzled garnet]

what would be the greater focus for a hotshot determined build in term of weapon mods? stability or accuracy?

[subtle bluff]

Stability

[strong cave]

Stability + accuracy. Majority of the existing stats you'll get from weapon handling on hotshot and sub attributes on the chest + backpack itself (20% WH)

I try to select mods to max out both stability + accuracy

[subtle bluff]

Generally stability because MMR are single shots they only have sway you have to worry about.

Accuracy doesn't really effect single shots MMR's.

[strong cave]

Usually stability you'd focus on first since accuracy is dependent on standing still for x amount of time. I just max out both because honestly why not

[grizzled garnet]

also is there a way to use this scope or the other hsd scopes without looking down it?

[strong cave]

The Holo sight with 10% HSD will work just fine

[subtle bluff]

no

You need DttooC on your weapon there

[grizzled garnet]

i dont got it 😢

[strong cave]

If needed, you can run the 8x scope with a cross hair overlay

[grizzled garnet]

already recalibrated to put determined on it

[subtle bluff]

It may not do enough dmg.

It's kind of big.

[strong cave]

We would have to see the build

[strong cave]

As long as he's using 4 PC hotshot, Chainkiller, Airaldi bag with Vigi, should still be able to 1 shot

[subtle bluff]

Once he get's HH stacks sure

[strong cave]

Mmm yeah chow might be right. That shd level also plays a difference

[subtle bluff]

it's getting that first HS kill is important

normally m700 sure.

[strong cave]

Bro would need to target a red first. Definitely not 1 shotting a purple

[grizzled garnet]

i'll run it for a while. this isnt the final weapon i'll be using anyway. just an intermediate

[strong cave]

After the first HH stack it's smooth sailing

[strong cave]

White Death is best in slot on this build

[subtle bluff]

For dmg yes.

[grizzled garnet]

welp

[strong cave]

You could run a mag-fed M44 as well and it'll be nearly the same. Does more damage than the SR-1

[strong cave]

That'll for sure 1 shot

[subtle bluff]

Ya. If you want more dmg swap the BP for Airaldi bag with Vigi

[strong cave]

Per chance does the Custom M44 (mag fed) do more damage than the M700 Carbon?

I know it does more than the SR-1

[strong cave]

Damn the noticeable difference from the Custom M44 and the SR-1 💀💀 they really destroyed the SR-1 didn't they...

[subtle bluff]

Eh it still works

For Heroic for me when I did use it on my alt toon.

Then again my is at 20 exp 😐

I've never noticed the Custom M44

I don't use MMR anymore.

Maybe when I go grind out this new idea.

[strong cave]

Give the custom M44 a shot. You'll notice that it'll nearly match the damage to an expertised SR-1

Obviously expertise level on the gun is dependent to how noticable the damage difference is. I had mine around 12-18% expertise and using a non-optimized Custom M44 nearly matched the damage of my SR-1

You could also go Model 700 Tactical or carbine (I think?) too. Differing mods but way higher damage than an SR-1

[subtle bluff]

Ya I'll try when I use Hotshot again

[versed summit]

It’s really pretty minor, and IMO, the reload on the custom M44 is so awful that it doesn’t matter anyways.

The SR-1 was kind of busted though

[versed summit]

Tactical sucks because it can’t take a stability underbarrel. M700 carbon rocks tho

[strong cave]

The custom m44 is mag fed tho is it not?

[hoary sail]

y but very slow

[versed summit]

Yeah but it has the same reload speed as the white death’s Clip reload

[strong cave]

Wtf 💀 I never bothered reloading with it bc hotshot kept my mag full typically

[versed summit]

Lol then you don’t need a mag reload anyways lol

[strong cave]

I mostly chose it as an alternative to the SR-1 due to damage nerfs. I main white death and handbasket

Hey now I know stuff I didn't know before 😂 crazy it's the same speed as WD reload

[hoary sail]

i m still with it. Nd SRS A1 are my confortable MMR

[versed summit]

If you’re not doing a reload from empty it should be faster, but I’m not sure

[strong cave]

Yeah I never did reload from empty with it

Typically when I notice that I need more bullets and have a few left and I miss a shot or 2, I'll just reload for the hell of it

[forest trail]

m700 generally brings more dmg tho lol

[forest trail]

personally i'd recommend running the 3p gotshot instead of 4

more dmg anc you can run dodgecity if you want for some regulus play too
comes in clutch a lot of the time and can get hh started easier even on elites

[strong cave]

At that rate just go full high end

[forest trail]

why tho
3 hotshot is more dmg

[strong cave]

D&H Punch drunk mask
Chainkiller
Prov holster
Airaldo bag Vigi
2 PC Habsburg

HSD and Weapon handling on everything. Yes Habsburg rolls armor but unicorn pieces like those help immensely.

WD mmr primary 1, primary 2 can be whatever MMR and pistol can be regulus

[vestal ibex]

More damage on a HH build doesn't always make it better, these builds are typically functionally the same. HH is like throwing a ball over a wall and the enemies health/armor is that wall, all that matters is the ball clears the wall and you'll keep buffs.

[charred eagle]

Could the 1886 be good in any rifle build? Cause I really like the gun but running headhunter and determined could get frustrating sometimes missin heads lol

[vestal ibex]

1886 is good on any build basically.

[shy willow]

If you're running determined you can't physically miss the head😭

[charred eagle]

Well yea, after you get the first headshot kill… and then again for enemies with helmets/shields

[vestal ibex]

Shields don't matter, only helm.

[rapid wave]

If Crit capped running negotiators and lmg should I use a grupo chest or Petrov both with obliterate

[vestal ibex]

It depends on a lot of things. Being at crit cap and having optimal CHC/CHD are two different things. Does your LMG have CHC? What is your other brand/exoitc item on the build?

Max watch?

[hexed steppe]

Make sure you arent way above cap. Make sure you are running chd on every piece. If that's the case then use contractors glove, grupo chest nego bag. If you need chc rolls that arent secondary (like chc rolls on nego pieces) to hit close to crit cap, use a ceska piece instead of contractors

[hexed steppe]

Nego setup

[hexed steppe]

When min/max optimal chc/chd ratio, just multiply chc x chd for each ratio you are considering . The higher number will give optimal dps. Not precise, but close enough to dictate what's optimal

[vestal ibex]

??

[hexed steppe]

You seemed confused.

[vestal ibex]

About what?

I mean I am confused now. Was there something in my statement that made it seem that way?

[hexed steppe]

Everything was already mentioned. Just seemed like you missed it. Weighing grupo/petrov or both.
Dont take personal, I was just stating incase you weren't sure

Courtesy, not criticism

[onyx sage]

as an average player, i'm confused, but not just about this conversation

[vestal ibex]

I'm not I just don't get what made my statement seem confusing. They said should they use a grupo chest OR petrov both with obliterate. They didn't mention the last item.

[hexed steppe]

Why you no give twitch drops grandson?

[onyx sage]

because i'm just a big hack sir

[hexed steppe]

Explains a lot

[hexed steppe]

Only so many ways to slice an optimal nego setup.

Why I worded my response like I did

Water under the bridge. I already had my dementia erase what we were just talking about

Who dis?

[quasi mason]

Hey guys i'm new to the game and I would like to know that what is the best shotgun build?

If anyone replies thx❤️

[hexed steppe]

Hunters fury plays well with shotguns. They are cqb and hunters fury amps damage at closerange. Good synergy.

Check the pinned spreadsheet 📌

[quasi mason]

Where is it? Im blind af

[vestal ibex]

Unless you are on a phone then you'd tap the top and then you'd see pins.

[quasi mason]

Thank you❤️

[hoary valve]

does any have a build for summit for legendary loot farming?

[subtle bluff]

It’s really what works for you there’s no magical build that makes it easier.

[autumn yacht]

if you’re doing floor 10 hotshot is what you should use

[subtle bluff]

This is why more newer players have BH and are trying use them on a random or crit build and doing bad DPS incursion is this reason.

[sudden cloak]

Problem solved by telling them they can't use it

[subtle bluff]

Wished it were that easy. Then they say they crit for x.x mill much etc etc.

[sudden cloak]

I've kicked several from my group after trying to explain to them their build isn't optimal for boss dps, if they can't listen to constructive criticism they don't get to run simple as that

[glad heart]

It is probably as plain as the nose on my face, but BH is what?

[subtle bluff]

I get it. I’ve been called a lot of things when I do MMR incursions and try to teach and help why I require ppl to be in Discord VC for reasons.. I’ve for good awhile I taught incursions and cleared FTC’s on the daily and know it all too well. I just carry DPS on bosses now… 😐

[subtle bluff]

It’s not great has a AR and it’s nothing special unless you you go all HSD. It has no CHC/CHD mods.

[glad heart]

what is BH?

[subtle bluff]

Bighorn

[glad heart]

OH! OK... now I understand ... thanks

I have one, it is a nice placeholder in my stash, and that is about it.

[sudden cloak]

I'm still teaching my clan, oxi and chunga skip on Wright

Just a handful of people on Xbox that actually wanted to learn

[subtle bluff]

For speed?

[sudden cloak]

Just sub 10 runs, nothing too crazy

[subtle bluff]

Don't sweat chunga less pull then just clean up everything else sub 10 is easy.

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, fair point, but i told them I'd show them everything I know, which is everything except like the true speed runs strats

Not sure how different they are

[subtle bluff]

Tanker is the biggest time saver. If their tanker is bad that'll eat up the time.

[sudden cloak]

We're doing 4dps there, they're still getting used to it without a healer but they are getting better

[subtle bluff]

Do it with a FI it's more efficient.

If you go to my bio YouTube you'll see we did a 3 phase and still got 11 mins.

[sudden cloak]

I'll check it out, we've been doing tanker how i had been shown by an lfg buddy on Xbox

[cerulean smelt]

it's a trap!
edit:
forgot timer (> <)

[sudden cloak]

😂

[urban latch]

you mean wright and not tanker right, because this reads like your saying FI on tanker

[sudden cloak]

[subtle bluff]

Yeah Wright.... Derp

I am confusing myself. Sorry

[sudden cloak]

Lmao

[subtle bluff]

I was commenting someone on my video about using 4 dps on wright and just got mixed up...

[sudden cloak]

This is something I have done in my early incursion days, and it is not fun

I gotta say I do love using precision cover on lovebirds though

[subtle bluff]

Haven't tried it yet since I just ended either using striker shield or one shotting of them for a chunk of their hp. Lovebirds is the easiest one. I mean if they have backfire it's really easy to get sub 10

[zenith plover]

What's a good Bighorn build??

[cerulean smelt]

i'd assume PvP since it's popular there
pve doubt there's any?

[subtle bluff]

He's here too. =/

[sudden cloak]

The oc is like 45% dttoc so it's pretty good in groups that aren't 1 shotting them

[subtle bluff]

Ya I know it's a lot I need to try it.

[cerulean smelt]

here people speculated a lot of yellow strikers builds would come out of the wood works

[sudden cloak]

Think I'd rather do the tent strat then run with yellow strikers

[cerulean smelt]

not sure how it'll work in raid/incursion/legendary runs
but it did make sense if we were to use 3 red/yellow with future perfect and staying in that cover would be pretty strong

[zenith plover]

Im currently optimizing weapons rn, what weapons should i invest expertise on??

[cerulean smelt]

oddly enough, i'd only upgrade the ones you'd extensively

[hearty forge]

470 hours and I still haven't seen a waveform holster, hooooow

[zenith plover]

Alright so i guess elmo's then haha

[cerulean smelt]

the trick is
don't have the desire for it, it'll rain the holster and you'll be mad you keep getting it over other holsters

[tawny axle]

Hey Im returning to this game since i last played in 2023 or so would anyone be able to help me update / make some builds

[odd ginkgo]

Check the pins for a gear spreadsheet, the builds are in there.

[tawny axle]

aswesome ty

[hexed steppe]

not enough Lootcifer sacrifices. step them up for favorable rng
🔥 😈 🔥

[tawny axle]

was the scorpio nerfed into the ground or

[noble star]

Skill damage or status effects for Ortiz exuro?

[odd ginkgo]

I haven't noticed a change.

[odd ginkgo]

The flamethrower turret is more of a novelty than a useful skill. However Status Effects might be more desirable. It increases the length of burn duration.

[noble star]

Does status effects increase the burn damage too?

[odd ginkgo]

I want to say yes, but I don't know for certain.

I do know Status Effect attributes are preferred for most status effect centered builds.

[tawny axle]

if i send a few images of some of my builds in dms could you possibly offer advice on changes etc

[odd ginkgo]

Just post them here. Then we can all see them.

Someone more knowledgeable than I can advise you that way too.

[tawny axle]

that one i have saved as Skilzzzzz

[odd ginkgo]

Throw some skill haste gear mods in the mask, chest, and bag.

[hexed steppe]

both

way better off with fire ep

[noble star]

2pc of each would be good?

[wispy hollow]

• Run Hanau Named backpack (Force Multiplier)
• Replace talent on Chest to Kinetic Momentum
• Run 2 piece Hanau , 3 piece Empress, 1 Piece Wyvern or Waveform
• Skill Damage and Armor Regen everywhere with Skill Haste Mods

[tawny axle]

yeah my bag isnt godrolled atm but the rest pretty much are

[tawny axle]

awesome will do

[wispy hollow]

Also since you are running Technician, you get a free skill tier, Replace a skill tier on gear to Armor or WD

[hexed steppe]

yes, your burn is conditioned on the damage of the skill thats applying. skill damage and status boost the burn this way. thats why an ep firesticky can have a burn of around 800k if rolling all status, skill damage secondary attributes, and fully stacking capacitor

[tawny axle]

the best hanU backpack i have for now

[hexed steppe]

use tech support talent. save force multiplier for the mortar builds

[wispy hollow]

Run it until you get a better one. Easy to farm countdown with Hanau as targeted loot

[hexed steppe]

also 3 empress or no empress

[tawny axle]

I know when i last played the best place for farming was like round 10 on that floor thing

ill run some countdowns

[hexed steppe]

make sure to fill in some mods too 😉

[odd ginkgo]

CD is better for general gear than Summit. Summit floor 10 is for grinding exotics.

[hexed steppe]

after the xp nerf, 10 is basically a bighorn farm location

[tawny axle]

yeah i only just noticed that, forgot that was even a thing tbh, i have alot of inventory management to do as i have so much stuff and idek what to keep anymore lol

[hexed steppe]

this is what i run for turret/drone

remember if you have 6 skilltiers on your gear, you are open to use any spec

this gives 20% aok all the time, 30% aok if i pull the mop shotgun out

youre also right to go with glass on chest like you have. its damage thats 100% uptime and boosts your weapons

this one is in the build sheet, along with a couple rafactor turret/drone variants

[tawny axle]

yeah think ima make a few skill builds and test each one to see what i like more

[hexed steppe]

its hard to mess em up tbh, pretty forgiving so go nuts

[odd ginkgo]

This is the way.

I recently tried the Triple Tick build and have been enjoying it.

[noble star]

Is using 2 sniper rifles together a bad idea?

[lone wadi]

probably

there isnt a point of using 2 at the same time

plus you technically already have 2 with the spec weapon, and i usually use scorpio when sniping in case someone sneaks up on me

[cerulean smelt]

there will be in 5-6 weeks (> <)

[lone wadi]

it is worth it if youre runnign hotshot

means you give up vigilance

[cerulean smelt]

won't know until they release it and how the alter it
determined + something might be fun

[onyx sage]

i mean you can just run 3p hotshot

the bad thing about it is the fact that it comes with double crit instead of hsd/wh

[lone wadi]

why would you run 3p hotshot

you dont get the ammo back if you run 3p

[onyx sage]

you don't need to, people run 3p all the time lol

[fresh grove]

I run triple hotshot on mine

[lone wadi]

can you oneshot the named outcast heavy weapons when they have ragers active

with a normal sniper rifle

[onyx sage]

yes lol, you think the 20% bonus is that impactful?

[fresh grove]

I usually don’t play with directives but I probably could

[lone wadi]

no i meant that in teh sense i cant

so i was wondering if it was better

[onyx sage]

i can analyze it for you

[lone wadi]

yea please cause thats the only boss i cant seem to one shot

[cerulean smelt]

🤓 waiting for information to write down

[lone wadi]

i also play with 5 directives so 4pc is just better for me

could never get it to oneshot the outcast named heavy weapons

[fresh grove]

Run determined

[lone wadi]

i do

i have 4pc, chainkiller, araldi vigi bag

[cerulean smelt]

hmm, incoming wall of text? 🤔

[onyx sage]

if you run 5 directives that's fine, 4p is really good for it, so no problem there, but basically:

• no it doesn't directly give you more damage. let's see why.
• 4p hotshot is good if you basically miss very few times to get the buffs active. the 2-stack buff gives you 20% more "damage" but it's not like taking your damage and multiplying by 1.2. it's not that impactful. however, it is better than getting an additional brand. this is only the 2-stack buff alone, the 3-stack refills ammo and 4+ basically loops the 2nd and 3rd over and over.

you can see how it's really good if you don't miss that often. but in reality, either of these 2 things happen:

• you miss, in which case you lose all the hotshot buffs including the 20% bullet amp. your hh is still there but the lesser damage could mean the helmet doesn't break
• you need more damage right off the bat

so the 4p is used mostly for the ammo QoL, but you could choose to run 3p hotshot instead and use another piece. some run dodge city holster. some run another brand combo (like 3p hotshot, 2p habsburg, 1 airaldi/chainkiller/fox) which nets you more damage without it being reliant on you not missing.

sorry lol i wanted to look like i care

[fresh grove]

Weird

[onyx sage]

that's basically the best it can be. tldr 3p hotshot won't be more damage than this. it's more damage right off the bat rather than having to stack with hotshot basically

[cerulean smelt]

least you explained how 4pc works in general. only reason i had it was for that ammo bit anyways. didn't really care about the stacks honestly

[onyx sage]

what you can do for your problem though is break helmet with your mmr then dodge city pistol the head, but you miss out on the ammo QoL

[lone wadi]

thankyou for this

[lone wadi]

nah they dont have helmets in the first place, i just straight up dont have enough dmg to one shot them

[subtle bluff]

My pov I only go 3pc hotshot for where I need to get my first few shots to do max dmg.

Cheesing things…

[onyx sage]

you saw the health/armor values sheet yeah?

[vestal ibex]

Does 3 pc hots vs 4 pc hots even hit a higher damage on the start up?

[onyx sage]

3p hits higher for first shot yes

[lone wadi]

oh is there one

[vestal ibex]

Enough to hit a new break point? Or have meaningful impact?

[lone wadi]

would you happen to have it handy

[onyx sage]

it can

it can be the difference between one shotting an elite rusher and not

[vestal ibex]

Situational type thing most the time probably.

[onyx sage]

yeah, the biggest reason people run 3p is so they don't get penalized for missing

[subtle bluff]

“Other skill issues.”

[onyx sage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1OP0r0A81wroX9v9iZ1u-jYNndTjugaB8e1MxS3FWCsk/htmlview#gid=0, look at the TU8.4 Raw tab

so ragers basically doubles the health and leaves the armor intact. you can see even in solo heroic doubling health is basically adding another ~3mil

most things don't meaningfully clear this gap

[lone wadi]

ahh i see

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, I feel like at this point if you know how to correctly use HH and stack and there is an oppertunity to hit a new break point it should be taken but I feel like that's actually not possible most the time to bridge that gap.

[onyx sage]

yeah, i didn't mean to make 3p vs 4p be about damage, it's just hxbc's side question

[lone wadi]

ye thanks for that

[vestal ibex]

I just want people to HH and not get sucked into stupid builds.

[onyx sage]

the best example in speedrunning of where people use the 3p is for chunga breaking during morozova for key. they need the off the rip damage

[onyx sage]

yeah it started off as "can you fit tinkerer into a build" and then hotshot was suggested and then it became 3p vs 4p

not really debating about hh builds or minmaxing

[vestal ibex]

I honestly don't think tinker needs to be in HH builds tho. They are perfection already.

[onyx sage]

but muh determined + damage talent combo busted!!

[cerulean smelt]

i was t hinking if i don't use skills determined + streamline would be rather amusing

[violet juniper]

wait til you see my spitball DB build

it's gonna blow some white tusks socks off

[cerulean smelt]

while making them writhe on the floor?

[violet juniper]

potentially

[rapid wave]

For refactor build would memento or waveform be better?

I get memento ultimately but feel like the build up takes forever especially if you fast travel at all

[subtle bluff]

waveform isn't good

If that helps you out or not or you could go combined arms.

[rapid wave]

I sit in cover allot running this build. Would Sawyers work?

[subtle bluff]

Glass Cannon and Combined would do more. than sawyers

What is this build for?

[wispy hollow]

Neither, 4 piece Refactor with 2 piece HanaU (Force Multiplier bp and chest with Kinetic Momentum)

OR

4 piece Refactor with 2 piece HanaU (Force Multiplier bp and gloves/keepads/holster/mask)

OR

4 piece Refactor with 2 piece HanaU (Force Multiplier bp and chest with Emphatic Resolve)

[subtle bluff]

Bleh Kinetic Momentum just go GC.

or that.

[rapid wave]

If it helps been using striker drone and explosive seeker. Found those to work best for me

[subtle bluff]

is this for solo?

[rapid wave]

Yup

[subtle bluff]

Here's let me get you my hot take on Refactor. Let me go find it

[rapid wave]

Wouldn't have guessing CHC/CHD

[sudden cloak]

Different setups for Different play styles

[tawny axle]

What should be a good dps for a skill build

[sudden cloak]

Like your skill dps? Or you shooting dps?

[tawny axle]

skill dps

[sudden cloak]

Honestly depends on the skill build your using

[subtle bluff]

Skill DMG and DPS doesn't really work together.
Any Red DPS build will outright always output more DPS than a Skill build.

Skil build are limited by the Skill's uptime.

It's not something can Consistently measure in a sense.

[sudden cloak]

Only skill builds i have are FI, refractor and a mortar build I'm working on for tidal

[tawny axle]

ok heres a question what do the colors mean like red etc

i see them on the documentation just this is new to me

havnt played in like 3 years

[sudden cloak]

A lot has changed since then

[subtle bluff]

You'll be suprised how much overall DPS you would put out with it. Cap is really strong weapon, the mods are really good 10 CHC and 30 CHD!

WD, Armor and Skill core hasn't changed.

[tawny axle]

yeah im tryna get back into things but i have alot of builds / gear i dont know is even useful anymore

[subtle bluff]

That's been here forever

Since 3 year ago don't think it's that different a few new things but Strikers is still meta.

[tawny axle]

ill look into the strikers build

[subtle bluff]

It's all in the pinned messages

[winter nacelle]

Can anyone suggest a good beginner build for the darkzone?
Any YouTube vid recommendations?
Thanks all 👍🏼

[solar sable]

Not YT.
Check the pvp guide in the pinned Spreadsheet

[lone wadi]

4 umbra , ceska vigilance bag, contractors gloves, 3blue 3 red

[silver lark]

does anyone know if it's possible to do ~27.5 million damage in one hit with Nemesis without on-kill buffs or skills? trying to make a sniper build for 4p legendary that can one shot elites without needing to fight for kills

[onyx sage]

no, you need to stack hh to get there

[silver lark]

I can only get about 21 million with 3pc hotshot, The Gift, Pristine Example, and one Habsburg gloves, Nemesis is expertise 14

[onyx sage]

the simple answer is no

[silver lark]

do you think HH stacks are the only way?

[subtle bluff]

More MMR than HSD.

[silver lark]

I was considering achilles pulse but it doesn't always target the head

[subtle bluff]

wait.. Oh you're using that already nvm.

I mean that's how we cheese bosses from the start.

and also reread Achilles...

[silver lark]

thing is if achilles doesnt target the head then I dont think I can oneshot them, and building more into skill tiers for achilles consistency hurts direct damage? unless...

[subtle bluff]

nope.

that's not how it works.

You don't need achilles mark to be on to do good dmg.

[onyx sage]

if you want to one shot, the only way to do it consistently in legendary is to do hh; if you want to get kills first to stack hh, know the encounters beforehand so you can catch enemies and kill them before the rest of your team can

you don't need achilles in legendary at all, it's more about knowledge

either way you slice it you can't do what you're asking for without hh

[silver lark]

darn

[onyx sage]

tldr just kill faster, most matchmaking lobbies aren't that good

if you find killing speed to be a problem then use a high end mmr instead of nemesis, it works perfectly fine

[subtle bluff]

Both builds aren't optimize builds by any means.

This is just showing NBB is bad.

[silver lark]

headhunter carries damage though

I have a meme build with headhunter and a t6 shield lol

[onyx sage]

no one's talking about ninjabike tho

[subtle bluff]

I know just showing what HH does.

[subtle bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907529802297253899/1394967494434881616/Resto_Chem_Dmgg.gif

[onyx sage]

epic embed fail

[silver lark]

THAT DOES DAMAGE??

[subtle bluff]

that's a meme

[onyx sage]

indeed it does. it's coded as a bullet

[subtle bluff]

40mm projectile

[onyx sage]

even without hh if you direct hit an enemy with it you'll see a hundred or so damage

[tawny axle]

Whats a good all round build for countdown

[loud pine]

usual red dps build

dont really need a healer but OD can be good

[hazy steeple]

Obligatory suggestion of Red FI. But it's only good-good if a bunch of other people are doing the OTT killing.

[fair dragon]

so obligatory response of No.

[hazy steeple]

It's still single good by itself if you don't suck.

[odd ginkgo]

What if I suck though, what then?

[shy willow]

You can never go wrong with striker

[solar sable]

rusty naval

[graceful field]

Does the expertise lvl come into play alot in conflict with the striker build. I have a strikers/ rolled with crit (expert lvl 7) and mods, coyote mask & lefty/st elmo.....get absolutely fried every match

[subtle bluff]

conflict turn off your SHD and take off exp.

[lone wadi]

i would argue striker is not good in conflict

[shy willow]

Unfortunately 😔

[solar sable]

it isn't good in pvp

[shy willow]

Getting back into it for them sweet payday costumes

[lone wadi]

yeah dark zone

[graceful field]

Ok whats would you suggest for conflict? Not new but not og either

[lone wadi]

but in conflict its hard to stack on people's decoys, no mobs for you to stack on either

[lone wadi]

umbra lol, afaik conflict meta has been burst down other people before you get bursted

[subtle bluff]

TBH that's on you. Conflict really comes down to player playstyle and if he wants to counter or not to counter at the high end of it.

When I go into conflict I go in with 3 builds ready.

[lone wadi]

the fact that pulse has a huge cooldown in conflict also discourages you pushing into other people

i forgot if there is, but i dont think you can see nametags thru walls either, which is another incentive for you to stay further back in cover and wait for enemies to push

[solar sable]

dz is pvevp lol

[lone wadi]

yeah i know

its not conflict, which is why i explicitly said dark zone

[graceful field]

Alright ill give umbra a shot. I try to be more support and suppressive fire where im not as good. The strikers does great for incursion/ dark zone so will save it for there

[hexed steppe]

look into ongoing directive. dps stuff down, you and team gets hollowpoint ammo that amps everyones weapon damage

[sudden cloak]

I dont pvp much, but umbra is usually what I use in a group for dz

[hexed steppe]

oh wait, is this for pvp? disregard. i know nothing of pvp priorities

[sudden cloak]

If you like the game then yes

Plus you get the smart cover skill which is pretty good so far

[shy willow]

Stevie wonder could see the nerf coming

[sudden cloak]

Please no nerf lmao, and damn

[shy willow]

Gear wise just smart cover and the catalyst

[sudden cloak]

This^

[shy willow]

But you do get a lot of new drip if you care about that and lore

[sudden cloak]

A few new missions and more hunters to hunt

[shy willow]

Plus the main missions are genuinely a good time and pretty unique

Catalyst is alright, smart cover is busted strong but situational

At skill tier 6 it's like 50 percent dttooc and 80 percent weapon handling

[sudden cloak]

That's oc not tier 6

[shy willow]

Oops

[sudden cloak]

Tier 6 is 35

[shy willow]

Best ones yet too imo

[sudden cloak]

It's also closer to 300-400% weapon handling iirc

On oc, think tier 6 smart cover is still pretty high though

[shy willow]

Real, but also just a teaser so

[odd ginkgo]

My money is on that image being a teaser for a deer herd management game mode.

[torpid dirge]

Anyone have a PvP build that gets around 2m armor and 100k armor re-gen?

[violet juniper]

3 piece gila, 1 belstone, Catharsis and Emperor's Guard kneepads

all blue, 4% regen

no build will get you 2 million unless you either sacrifice regen or level expertise

[torpid dirge]

Thx I'll check it out. I have most of that already so shouldn't be much of a grind.

[tawny axle]

so confused with this Talents:

• Flatline (run technician and laser sight pulse attachment)
• Strained
• Fast Hands

i dont see those in technician?

[onyx sage]

these are weapon talents

[tawny axle]

where do i find those lol

[onyx sage]

they're not tied to the specializations, you either find them randomly on guns or recalibrate them to have those talents

[violet juniper]

These are weapon talents. it mentions the technician spec because it has a special gun attachment that pulses enemies you aim at, which procs Flatline

[reef swallow]

Recently got Bighorn
What kind of build, other than AR damage, would be good?

[cerulean smelt]

only thing i know that it's popular in is a DZ Armor Regen headshot damage build of some sort

[subtle bluff]

PvP good, PvE not so great unless on all HSD but then you have to hit heads all the time. It’s also like an SMG because of it’s recoil

[violet juniper]

Finally! not the best, but it's a solid start

[cerulean smelt]

i'd still accept that. it's what 2-3 optimizations each? for damage, dta and dtooc?

[slate wedge]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/sohhHNnU

fpr example this one, probably the most popular

[cerulean smelt]

i don't pvp so probably is, i just read people say some kind of Armor Regen, HSD, Big Horn build

if i could pull it off, i'd do some kind of troll System Corruption, Exodus Gloves + decoy build of some sort

[violet juniper]

Yeah I'm taking it

[iron moss]

Lf advise for a dps build

[solar sable]

send the build then

[cerulean smelt]

not sure how to see it on mobile devices but this chat here has a pins section with a bunch of different proven builds

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1380412817#gid=1380412817

[noble star]

Would technician work well with mantis as an alternative to sharpshooter?

[young notch]

does the cloak knees actually feel like they work?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say no since you lose some free headshot damage

considering you're asking for the sake of the decoy and mantis combo?

[austere cloak]

any body got a strega build

[violet juniper]

Yeah

It's noticeable. Pair it with decoy and it's perfect for keeping enemy attention off you

[noble star]

Yeah, my biggest issue is without the free skill tier the decoy duration is too short

[cerulean smelt]

so get 1 skill tier to make it last a little bit longer and have a little bit longer cool down?
can try it and see if it works for you
but like i said going techinician you lose out on the amount of headshot sharpshooter provides

[young notch]

i just want to pair it with my negotiators build because i build way too much aggro doing group play and cant even shoot my gun half the time

[cerulean smelt]

oh? i might have to make a build based on it 🤔

[subtle bluff]

Yes it does.

[silver lark]

update on hitting 27.5m without HH/skills -- I've reached a bit over 25m with 3pc hotshot, Pristine Example, Vigil, Centurion's Scabbard

crits tip it to 29m, I'm thinking it might be possible to reach 27.5 with 25-30 expertise but it'll be a grind

[cerulean smelt]

sounds like too much work to "swap weapons" to do extra damage but you do you

[silver lark]

fair enough

[subtle bluff]

Forgot to add w/ Nemesis

[subtle bluff]

Ugh I’m glad I’m not home to update mine.

[prime jay]

Do yall have any sniper build to try out

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Message look for Hotshot build I believe the guides under.

[noble star]

Ace and eights is pretty fun, idk if it’s any good but it’s fun

[violet juniper]

this is impressive lol

wait what sniper? If it's Tac-50 or Nemesis then it doesn't count

[tired falcon]

has anyone found a non-striker build that makes Merciless good?

[violet juniper]

Nope

Merciless just kinda sucks in general

[broken edge]

you can make it be okay with breakingpoint by having large amount of stacks fixing the stability and accuracy

[tired falcon]

yeah that's the best I've got so far; also tried variations of Umbra (ie with Centurion holster)...it's kind of hilarious in a stupid fun way but not really effective

[coral reef]

Just wanted to say sorry for when I argued here that Courier backpack was better than the Eclipse Protocol backpack, holy shit 🔥 🔥 🔥 😱

[sudden cloak]

Lol

[onyx sage]

you learned your lesson.

[solar sable]

sir

[onyx sage]

i'm never toxic okay

[hexed steppe]

burning shit*

[worn elbow]

How’s the build fellas will this be enough for incursion?

Finally optimized the chest piece and mask to max attributes

[hazy steeple]

meta AF

you are going to take that Incursion's lunch money.

[worn elbow]

Hell yeah btw you get orobrous from the incursion box at the end right?

[hazy steeple]

10% chance from the box, 1% from each boss.

and there's no RNG protection in place. So it can take a while.

[worn elbow]

Oh k thanks

[sudden cloak]

I think I got my first oreo after 30 or so runs

[subtle bluff]

same it took me 32 runs

[unique ridge]

Wasnt it 20% or did they reduce the Chance?

[unique ridge]

Got mine in my First and im Happy i did never played it Afterwards

[sudden cloak]

I don't see why you don't run the incursion, you're supposed to come full circle and help others get theirs lol

[unique ridge]

My builds were to Bad now i have one but need the Eagle bearer for it

[hazy steeple]

Never been 20%, nope.

[unique ridge]

So i was really lucky

[sudden cloak]

They can't be that bad

[hazy steeple]

Just throw on the meta strikers setup and you have the ideal build for it.

[unique ridge]

I Had a damage build which didnt kill the Elite enemies in 2 mags and died every 3 secs

[sudden cloak]

What rivens said^

[sudden cloak]

Just put this together

[unique ridge]

I have almost the Same Striker but with the damage mask (forgot the Name) and picostas holster

[sudden cloak]

Meta incursion build right there, except you have oreo so you're able to change it for more dps

[hazy steeple]

@unique ridge That holster isn't as good as a ceska piece, free crit wins out.

[sudden cloak]

^

[unique ridge]

Now im running a 50% 50% Dark Zone dmg HP build

[sudden cloak]

Since you have oreo, I'd suggest putting this together

Then bam you're good to go for incursion lol

[unique ridge]

I will Take Note of that

But wont the shield Break in Like a few secs?

[hazy steeple]

I keep seeing this recently, what's with the random capitol letters?

It's all over discord lately.

[unique ridge]

German

[sudden cloak]

They'll die quicker than they can spawn, turn to you and shoot you

[unique ridge]

Its the german grammar

[unique ridge]

Ahh ok thanks

[hazy steeple]

It's probably not that, since it's only a recent thing and I've seen it from all sorts.

most people that do it have an anime profile, if that helps.

[unique ridge]

For me ist cuz im German and autocorrect

[prime jay]

What’s the best sniper for hot shot

[hazy steeple]

super high damage, mag reload.
m700 tactical is great for it, anything similar is

[sudden cloak]

Incursion isn't all that hard as long as you have a solid group to help you and teach you all the little things

[unique ridge]

Nemesis or mantis i think

[sudden cloak]

White death or model 700 for group/heroic, sr1 and a couple others for challenging

[solar sable]

High End: White Death or SR-1
Exotic: Nemesis

[unique ridge]

I mean i know what to do but my Squad doesn't i dont really have people that Play this game except my Mom and her Friends😂

[hazy steeple]

I'm going to double-down on mag reloads here, especially on a 3pc HotShot setup.

[sudden cloak]

I usually run 4pc hotshot

[hazy steeple]

If you're going for the meta CP farm, 3pc is probably going to win-out for pure stats, but both work fine.

[sudden cloak]

If you're doing 3pc then yeah, something that is mag fed

[prime jay]

Also when using hot shot should I use gunner of sharpshooter

[sudden cloak]

Personal preference i suppose but I use sharpshooter

[solar sable]

sharpshooter for the regenerating ammo on cover

[timber dagger]

I was at 50 chc i rolled my mask and it jumped to 60 chc is this due to modifiers ?

[lone wadi]

Prolly not

[timber dagger]

How the 10 point jump?

[shut wing]

anyone know the optimization costs for Elmo's regarding true sons tactical assesment? (or all) I am currently at 17% health damage and want to know how much I need to get it to full. Is there a rule that applies or a chart that displays all costs / each upgrade step?

[patent fossil]

Just toggle modifiers off and you can easily check

[patent fossil]

I don't recall ever seeing a chart for it. Costs increase the closer you are to max though.
Just craft up a bunch, what you don't need for Elmo's you'll end up needing for something else.

[subtle bluff]

tbh don't worry about it yet.. make sure you have it rolled to DttooC first

[shut wing]

Thanks. Any tips on what activity to target? I mostly need printer filament and steel, was thinking of hitting countdown with targeted mods for printer and just adding steel when leveling up watch. do you think of something better?

[subtle bluff]

I'm a build guy. Why I only really answer build question in this channel. May want to try #ask-td2-community

[bright raptor]

Doing a daily loop of the area around the Sinkhole and Solar Farm control points is still best for steel - also open every True Sons lockbox as on occasion they give 100 steel or other faction associated material

[shut wing]

thank you

[fallow geyser]

one of my fav build all the time. good for global world/dz/countdown/summit etc. hits hard more than 1 million and good for survivability.

for dz just change the chest to ceska with unbreakable talent.

[cerulean smelt]

i would rather have 2 different striker builds honesty
one PVE and one PVP

[subtle bluff]

Measuring a builds DMG by per bullet isn't the way to do it. DPS is the what you want to do.

[unique ridge]

I wouldn't use a shield for pvp it can be pretty dangerous you can get disoriented if it's fully broken

[unique ridge]

NOW THATS A LOTTA DAMAGE!

[fallow geyser]

not for me. i know how to use it.

[unique ridge]

Then its another thing I know it wouldn't work for me cuz i probably don't know how to properly use it

[fallow geyser]

hs regen with repair skills/incoming repairs for conflict or dz

[lone wadi]

waste of a stat tbh

this is also the pefect chance to run hunter killer

[slate wedge]

optimal would be matador, 3 gila and 1 belstone

but otherwise 3 gila, hk and one golan

[timber dagger]

@patent fossil thanks- i wasn't sure what it was exactly

[timber dagger]

What's the chc and chd?

[lone wadi]

Crit chance and dmg

[vestal ibex]

Think they wanted to know the numerical quantities of the build.

[lone wadi]

That really doesn’t matter tho

[vestal ibex]

Just clarifying what their questions seems to be. Pretty sure bro knows what CHC/CHD means as they frequent these chats.

[lone wadi]

right. Mb

but agains it doesn’t matter since if they frequent the chats thed know to build for close to 60 chance and rest damage

[vestal ibex]

I think it's more of a "I wonder what the numbers are so I can guess if it's worth building or messing with" kinda of question.

[lone wadi]

you cant judge a build with numbers alone

[vestal ibex]

But if you play enough you can.

[lone wadi]

....you cannot

[vestal ibex]

I'm sorry you feel that way. Most of us have played with so many builds and know how the numbers game plays out.

Cause considering that HSD is added to your CHD simply having a baseline build you use and comparing the numbers would easily give you an idea of which is better.

[lone wadi]

unless youre talking about straight damager per seconds, its very hard to measure builds based on just crit

its really not about playing for longer, its about having enough information to judge a build

[vestal ibex]

And that info they asked for was probably all the info they needed.

Not much else to say atp you can direct your questions of motive or usefulness at them.

[lone wadi]

if youre so adamant about that its not like i can change your mind

[patent fossil]

In the context, they can see all the gear pieces, talents, etc. So they're not judging it only on crit, that's just a missing piece of the overall picture

[worn elbow]

Fellas this my striker build I wanna add more survivability what should I change

[urban latch]

Its much eaiser to judge a build by just seeing what it is vs someone telling you a dps number since theres many ways people will judge/calculate dps.

[lost wren]

coyotes mask for exodus gloves i've heard can be good

i only recently got back to the game though, someone else might have a better suggestion

[worn elbow]

K thanks for the info

[lone wadi]

i would say that the optimum crit stat is already known if you have a pictuer of the build

[urban latch]

Toss on a crusader shield. Thats always step 1 for more survivability. If you have memento thats the easiest gear piece to put survivability onto a build, espescially when paired with a shield. You can also switch weapon damage cores to armor if you want to trade damage for survivability

[worn elbow]

If anyone else has more ideas tell

[worn elbow]

Alright that sound good

[vestal ibex]

There is also learning to use cover without using the cover system.

[worn elbow]

You mean standing behind something without going in cover

[lost wren]

yeah and using the shield to peek around cover

[worn elbow]

Ye I do that but without the shield

[lost wren]

that works too, just might be riskier

i've also heard smart cover skill could also be pretty solid

[urban latch]

a crusader shield on a red build wont let you just run out and face tank the world. You position yourself with body+ high cover and expose yourself to only the ads your shooting. The crusader shield protects you from the targets you shoot, the cover blocks everything else

[worn elbow]

I can use chill out mask and put crit mods on it and put armor on the knee pads and I’ll be at 1.1mil armor how does that sound fellas?

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLopWe9NfF0

Thanks to @onyx sage there is much to learn in this vid to help keep you up AND shooting.

[worn elbow]

Yes ik I always do that

Made legendary floor 10 a lot easier

[worn elbow]

Btw souless what do you think about this

[vestal ibex]

The guy who made that guide does solo legendary full red no shield builds. It's a skill in the tool box imo and everyone would play better utilizing it.

[worn elbow]

Dam

[vestal ibex]

I think you are going into preference with that. I personally am a red and dead or I'm dead if I mess up kinda guy. I think you've already gotten 2-3 really solid suggestiions and should try those out first.

[worn elbow]

Alright thanks for the infos y’all

[coral reef]

Question, agents: Does the fire damage from Fire Sticky and the fire damage from Firestarter Chem Launcher, stack? As in, can I launch the chem launcher cloud, ignite a fool, and then shoot the fire sticky and the enemy will be having DOUBLE fire damage?

[slate wedge]

nope, as long as they are affected by a status effect, they will not get that same status effect again

[odd ginkgo]

You can stick multiple status effects on them though. If you had someone in your group running OD and feeding you bleed ammo, then you could stick bleed and fire on them.

The OD, Pestilence, Vile mask "Triple Tick" Build let's you throw three Damage Over Time elements on an add at the same time.

[coral reef]

Thank you for the feedback! I'm doing just that, but with Scorpio+Vile+Chem Launcher+Stinger Hive+good old Eclipse Protocol. My absolute favorite build in the game. Also, I'm using the demolitionist specialization, so the Vile mask do more damage because of the concussion grenade.

[coral reef]

But i'm wondering if Survivalist is a better spec choice (group members get +10% damage to status affected enemies). That plus the Eclipse backpack talent (Amplifies all damage you deal to status affected targets by 30%) sound really good.

[onyx sage]

solo or group?

solo doesn't matter because the survivalist spec buff doesn't apply to you

[coral reef]

both really!

[onyx sage]

it's up to you tbh. i'd also recommend firewall for the 20% burn duration

[tawny kindle]

Memento backpack?

[fallow geyser]

yes

[open thicket]

Is there a reliable site for builds i can follow, returning player wanting to try something new been using striker for the longest

[mellow tree]

Check pins on this channel, there’s a spreadsheet with builds you can try

[open thicket]

Thankyou

[sudden maple]

Hi guys I've been trying to Recalibrate my hostile it says no replacement found. Can anyone please help me out🙏

[cerulean smelt]

looks like someone has been ignoring their library duties

[patent fossil]

need to extract a higher armor roll (or damage/skill core) from a different holster before you can recalibrate it again

[cerulean smelt]

something i never bothered looking at, would it be cheaper to recalibrate a max stat on it if you didn't have max stat at the time you recalibrated it or Optimizing it to max?
would think the recalibrate would be cheaper?

[patent fossil]

yeah pretty sure recalibration would be significantly cheaper

[pallid jackal]

Just got this game, any builds for a noob?

[cerulean smelt]

if you're starting at level 1 don't worry about builds at all until you hit level 40 which is the max level

[pallid jackal]

@cerulean smelt alright noted

[cerulean smelt]

if you do something like the level 30 boost or level 40 boost, you'll probably have a rougher time than if this is your first time playing a division game as you'll be thrown everything in game at once and you'll feel extremely overwhelmed

[pallid jackal]

@cerulean smelt didn't know there was a boost 😂 I'm level 5 atm

[cerulean smelt]

nods if you got like the gold/ultimate editions they come with a boost, otherwise you can spend real money converted to in game Preimium Credits and buy it that way, which i feel is a waste in general

so yeah, first time playing division in general do the 1 to 40 grind get a grasp of the game. once you're 40 come ask about builds, probably won't change much but you can always hit the pins in this channel (upper right hand of chat thumb tack icon) and there'll be a google document full of information and several proven builds that just works

[forest trail]

the newyork comes with a boost ittself tho

i think brooklyn comes with one too
just the dlcs themselves not gold or ultimate

[dry shoal]

missing a few things to this build, mainly armour core attributes for some survivability, but thoughts on crit build for pvp?

these js the stats

[solar sable]

it's better if you show the build itself

[cerulean smelt]

from my perspective of not being a pvpr, your crit chance is pretty low

[subtle bluff]

Really just need to see that build.

[cerulean smelt]

umbra chest can be changed, you got a yellow attribute hurting your build if you recalibrated weapon damage on it?

[dry shoal]

i said in the first message i needa change around some attributes lol

[subtle bluff]

PvE or PvE?

I mean it looks like a PvP build

[dry shoal]

cus it is

[subtle bluff]

Well then you already answer your own question then.

[cerulean smelt]

maybe they wanted more assurance in their way of thinking?

[subtle bluff]

I just did tho.. 😐

[dry shoal]

“PvE or PvE?” 😐

[subtle bluff]

Some of these new players do some wild things I had to check.

Better that just assuming

[dry shoal]

confused how i answered my own question lol

when i didn’t ask one other than thoughts on crit build

[subtle bluff]

this i meant. Sorry

Fixing your stats for more CHC and CHD

[cerulean smelt]

so in general he's saying your build looks solid for pvp with you changing attributes in your build in general

[dry shoal]

ik that, i’m just confused ab the “you answered your own question” part lol

[subtle bluff]

My english isn't wanting to work.

[dry shoal]

all g lol

[subtle bluff]

Friday done with work. lol sorry thanks.

[cerulean smelt]

Mrchow driving sipping a mai tai (> <)

not minding the flashing lights behind them

[lone wadi]

its great, got all the right pieces, i would consider switching to technicial and getting harvest/deagle/orbit with finisher as a sidearm

and prolly another ar as backup as well, but if you really wanna run shotgun use the m870 or double barrel

[dry shoal]

kinda switched it around for some more survivability n turned out making this, pretty happy with it

i run thorn cus of the talent

[lone wadi]

its the same

you dont get more dmg out of it

[lone wadi]

you have 4 golan with that bro

i can assure you the first build you sent was wayyy better

i forgot to say but use decoy/defender drone + explosive sticky

[dry shoal]

i wanted more armour hence why i went with golans, imma try it for now n if i dont like it imma go back to the old one

end goal will eventually be bighorn regen build

[lone wadi]

you can just roll armour cores on the umbra

ur gonna be shooting pellets and with tha tbuild compared to the other umbra one

[dry shoal]

yeah i guess, idk, ill see how it runs for now

[lone wadi]

i dont understand why you woudlnt take advantage of capicitor's weapon buffs with skill tiers by running technicial and picaros

and if youre not running somethign special like regen or hazard, contractors and foxes are always best in slot

[dry shoal]

i’m running elmo’s on this one, not capacitor js forgot to switch it

[lone wadi]

elmo is ass for pvp

might as well give a free kill

[solar sable]

anything but hazpro
that's great

yeah you stop bleeding after the third reload plus you can cancel the bleeding effect a second before finishing reloading, the downside is losing Backfire stacks

yup

[lone wadi]

thats great just use that

yeah, shared on all characters, 3x the number of materials compared to before

so no more making mules just for scav points

[solar sable]

scav points are now account shared and triple the gain per point

[dry shoal]

it just isnt tho lmfao

[lone wadi]

lmfao ask anyone out there

[dry shoal]

got a clip that says otherwise

[lone wadi]

You’d be better off with a normal ar with a talent that does damage

Not even for dz man

[dry shoal]

i mean i out dps pestilience with ease

[lone wadi]

the only thing it’s got going for it is the mag size

but you don’t need 70 rounds to kill

I mean you’re free to use what you want but using Elmo’s is just putting yourself at a disadvantage

[dry shoal]

i drop 3 in a row same mag, but alr

[lone wadi]

With that build?

[dry shoal]

yup

[lone wadi]

The 4 golan 💀

[dry shoal]

im waitin for clip to upload, at least i think it was same mag

[lone wadi]

are you dropping red black tusk bro

[dry shoal]

yeah ofc, im js lackin in good exotics atm other than capacitor

[lone wadi]

why not use that

[dry shoal]

dont like smaller mags personally lol

[lone wadi]

FOR REAL 😭😭

can’t believe Elmo’s getting picked over capacitor in that “build”

[cerulean smelt]

the picture above with 3 golan and ninja bag what you guys are talking about?

[lone wadi]

Unfortunately

bro switched from a good build with a good gun into 4 golan with elmos

[cerulean smelt]

🤦 wow

[dry shoal]

n still out dpsing LOL

cant control em

[lone wadi]

Wish I had your server 🙏

[dry shoal]

its like 2 regen builds every 4 games or so

most others are js crit dmg builds with no armour

my crit builds i go against arent umbras almost ever

[lone wadi]

conflict is too boring for me so I play dz most of the time

[dry shoal]

this was one of them

[lone wadi]

xbox players are on something with the elmos and golan

[dry shoal]

built special in the brain

[lone wadi]

That build would be great if it has fenris and coyotes instead

yeah but atp an m4 with damage talent would be better

even at full armour you shouldnt need more than 1 mag to kill

[solar sable]

hey!

[lone wadi]

Magdumping all of elmos is also how you lose

free headshots for days

[dry shoal]

isnt my build brother

[cerulean smelt]

waht backpack though? they have ninja currently

[lone wadi]

not his build but good changes

[lone wadi]

We’re talking bout another one, check the pic

[dry shoal]

nah bro

[lone wadi]

yeah his build has 4 golan instead

[dry shoal]

mines more brainrot n makes no sense but works

[lone wadi]

So wouldn’t a build that is thought out and makes sense work better lol

[dry shoal]

bighorn is what i don’t have lol

regen build is what i’m ending with till it gets nerfed

js gonna sit on floor 10 for a few hours

[cerulean smelt]

never used bighorn much so i don't know, but was thinking that first sight ak named could be like a budget bighorn in some shape?

🤔 come to think of it, wonder if they'll ever give us or already give us the capability of getting a blueprint for these event stuff?

obviously, but if "don't have big horn, could first sight be a place holder until you get big horn?"

like something if you don't use skills, First Sight + Streamline be something of a buffer until one obtains the big horn?

[lone wadi]

It just doesn’t hit the same way

[violet juniper]

Nothing hits like Bighorn

That's the honest best thing I can say about it

I love it

[autumn yacht]

lol wtf

[forest trail]

Is there any use for the catalyst?

Is it Atleast useable for backfire?

[fickle swallow]

is countdown still a good way to grind? im finding zero games on challenging

i just want the backfire man

[cerulean smelt]

1st picture is First Sight with Stabalize talent on it as i've gotten it, 2nd picture is Big horn, 3rd Picture is first sight with Streamline
i see what you mean for it doesn't do the same damage
the first sight i think was 1 clip or 2 and 1/2?

[solar sable]

yup, but you can also farm Summit F10 on repeat with SMG TL

[fickle swallow]

i heard that summit was ass for grinding bc of the low drop chance of exotics

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say probably faster if you're trying to get say a Big Horn

[solar sable]

Not that bad if you farm tenth floors on repeat, you kill one named boss every time which has a slightly higher chance

[lone wadi]

Countdown is way better for anything that’s not bighorn

[fickle swallow]

wdym by 10th floors? like just doing floors 1-10?

[solar sable]

Reach F10 > Kill ads > Kill boss but leave some ads alive > Loot and Fast travel to Lobby > Repeat
but yeah, it's an alternative

[cerulean smelt]

you can go into summit run it at normal 1-10, don't leave the elevator, go into menu return to lobby, change your difficulty to heroic/legendary add directives if you like, go to 10th floor spawn named boss, kill and loot return to lobby

[fickle swallow]

ill try heroic but idk about that lmao, i cant kill the hunters on the top floor on normal so idk how heroic enemies are gonna go

max dmg per a shot rn is 450k

[solar sable]

Here's how you should do summit farm
#td2-general-chat message

[cerulean smelt]

is this the goto pvp build?

i know i probably won't need this for anything but i'd like to try and use it for something

[lone wadi]

Hell no

[cerulean smelt]

so this is still usable?

[subtle bluff]

👀 napped too long and I see now I see lost wanting to PvP?

[solar sable]

when you're too bored you start to become what you promised to destroy

[subtle bluff]

Don't say that.

Someone put me down if I ever get there.

[fickle swallow]

just after complaining about not getting it i got it next countdown

[cerulean smelt]

not really, just trying to understand the appeal of big horn in pvp

[subtle bluff]

The build is powerful because you only neeed HSD for stats so you're free to slot in Hazpro or ArmorRegen. Then since BH give's itself more HSD for landing HSD you can go more tank stuff for stats.

But BH needs to be played kind of like an SMG due to it's recoil and neeing to land HSD.

[lone wadi]

Yes that itself is already better

There’s a lot of variations you can run that with, some better than others

[fickle swallow]

whats the best attribute i can have for the backfire?

[subtle bluff]

it's always DttooC

[fickle swallow]

okay thank you

3rd reroll holy goated

[noble star]

Catalyst or waveform for an Ortiz exuro build?

[candid talon]

Very likely waveform but it depends on which skills you plan on using

I'd use neither. Probably 4pc + Wyvern + idk Electrique maybe.

You don't HAVE to use exotic armor.

[hazy steeple]

@grim rapids As this channel is called "build advice", you're looking for #lfg-playstation for the catalyst farming, and #lfg-raid-console for the Raids, GL Agent

[grim rapids]

Thanks for the info

[noble star]

Which slot should I use for the wyvern piece?

[solar sable]

iirc it doesn't really matter what piece as long as it's the right brand

[hazy steeple]

Unless it's a named item, that's about right.

[noble star]

I just want to keep Caesar’s guard in my chest piece slot, that’s about it

Because of that there’s only really the mask and holster slot left to move around

[candid talon]

Get BTSU and use artificer with the turret and use a proper chest piece

100% uptime + overcharge + actually useful chest talent

But don't take it from me, I don't remember last time I used that type of set

[subtle bluff]

EP is just better.

[noble star]

I mean rn by using perfect skilled I get kills with striker drone to reset the cooldown of the flame turret so I don’t have to get any skill haste

Probably, I just like the novelty of the spinning turret lol

[candid talon]

You can use Artificer turret to to boost the spinning turret and break it when you need a skill reset