td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

nope, you want dtoc

oh, yeah that's also mb since I'm sleepy asf

[astral kraken]

it's good 👍

[loud pine]

its pretty much the meta high end dps aside from a few small things

[astral kraken]

That's odd because the SMG should be giving 21% CHC without mods.

Whereas the Eagle Bearer only has a 15% CHC mod.

Well the EB should be DTOC which is why you're going over.

[loud pine]

youre essentially wasting 6.5% of that crit chance from EB third stat

[astral kraken]

Difference is gonna be very minor though. I wouldn't sweat it unless you want to min/max.

(altho DTOC on the gun is important, but you can reroll that any time)

Just costs 1 exo component per roll

Since you're not just throwing a ltitle CHC (not a big deal) but you're running 8% DTOC when you could be running 18% DTOC.

Yup it'll definitely rip

Plus you have advantage over Striker (especially in solo). You don't need to worry about stacks as much. Try glass cannon on that chest. You're already squishy anyway. The damage is going to feel even more insane and it'll be instant (no obliterate stack building).

You're already running providence so you can swap that chest for a Sacrifice named chest. Then make the mask or something grupo.

Yea just a variation to try. You'll feel the difference for sure.

My experience with mods is: don't farm for them too hard. They'll just come on their own. Most of my max mods were from random missions and open world stuff.

Mods are one of those things you can really burn out trying to farm IMO.

Think of it like... with gear you can optimize/recalibrate it. But you can't with mods so you need a perfect roll to drop. So if you spend a lot of time farming mods you're losing out on the opportunity to get really good gear pieces to use for other builds.

(which don't need to drop perfect, just good enough)

Also the difference between a max mod and a good enough mod isn't that great. Like the one you showed is only 0.9% bleed resist from max... big deal.

Same with CHC/CHD.

[quartz ermine]

magnets🤣

[winter moth]

hey there, can you recomend LMG build?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers

[austere tree]

or Ongoing Directive

[subtle bluff]

You're set to a LMG tho with that.

The issue is when someone just ask for "build" without more context other than gun type I just give the easy answer for me.

[loud pine]

naming my firstborn strikers in honour of the gearset

[lavish tapir]

now i understand why people dont use skill builds , it sucks when half the end game just disable your ability for like 2 minutes at the start of each fight and you just set there being useless

its easier and safer to just equip heartbreak and strikers sets and shot

[austere tree]

nah my drone absolutely rips in countdown man, the skill button even turns murderous red

[shy willow]

So good it takes out your whole team

[tranquil wave]

As boring as striker is, it's best for dps so

[tranquil wave]

up to u what role u wanna play, but mostly for any pve content strikers ftw

[subtle bluff]

Striker pretty much works everywhere 100%. But once you've gotten it down there are other things you can play is the point.

[autumn yacht]

have you gone through the build doc? there are a lot of options

[slate wedge]

i honestly only play healer, pfe tank or another support build in countdown anymore

striker got too boring

[candid talon]

I know this is very likely just anecdotal bad luck but CAN HANDBASKET COME WITH DTTOC? Jesus Christ I've ran through 200+ at this point

[subtle bluff]

He knows... Geez guys he just wants to try other stuff.

[rich cosmos]

How are primaries attached to your bag

[subtle bluff]

I am not disagreeing with anyone here... LOL I've done it all but 2 very different builds.

[subtle bluff]

Yes. TBH it's not worth. m700 and white death are better.

[rich cosmos]

Most games just slap the weapon on you because its much more work to put a holster, or scabbard, or sling

[candid talon]

I like SR-1 tbh :\

[subtle bluff]

That and the M700 Carbon are easier ones to use.

[candid talon]

Haven't been able to get a M700 with dttoc god rolls

WD is a little too slow for my taste doesn't make up for utility in damage

OFC personal opinion, mileage may vary

[subtle bluff]

RPM?

[shy willow]

The rpm for most bolts is pretty similar excluding the tac 308

[candid talon]

Essentially.

[subtle bluff]

It's 55 all the top DMG stuff then 60 for M700, SR/1 and handbasket then 308 at 70.

You'll barely noticed the different from 55 to 60 rpm.

[tired ermine]

Hey Chow, we ran incursion earlier - I saw you equip a backfire striker with a bloody knuckles, is that some sort of specific raid builds only?

[shy willow]

It's a tuned setup for boss burns

[tired ermine]

Ohhh I see, specifically just for that situation then.

[subtle bluff]

it's the same reason why you run Striker Chest in the incursion. Since you have time to build stacks and you fight a lot and keep fight BF is the same. Since you keep shooting and max stakcs out and keep them up BF is really good.

I don't teach other to use it off of the bat becaue you're already learning the rest of the mission I don't FTC to get stress with keeping the stacks up and seeing the bleed.

[tranquil wave]

SHD levels and crafting tables.

[full bane]

i cant craft yet, shd levels i have lvl 200, how many more levels i need?

sorry for the dumb questions

[full bane]

or you mean this reward?

i dont have cleaners tactical assessments there in list

[subtle bluff]

farm CP's.

for the blueprint

[full bane]

noted will do, on herooic and 4 directives on?

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't need to be. Heroic I believe so. #ask-td2-community those guys aren't better at this than me.

[rare swift]

no u can just do challenging and you will be fine

[austere tree]

challenging CPs for most of the blueprints and heroic for all of them (at least that's how it used to be years ago)

apparently invaded missions drop blueprints too

[full bane]

✍️ thx guys

[hazy hull]

Should I go survivalist also thinking of replacing my riot foam with a shield

Cause ensanre is the one status effect catalyst doesn't cover

[subtle bluff]

tbh Catalyst isn't more dmg vs just using Coyotes.
having to build stacks kind is going back to strikers.

[hazy hull]

I can build stacks so easily with the hollow point bleeding

[versed flame]

You can use a personalized machine gun

[hexed steppe]

Challenging, that was already mentioned, but you dont need directives unless you want to squeeze more xp out of them. Linked guide is for xp but applies for blueprint farming as well. just use directives youre comfortable with, or none at all.

#ask-td2-community message

[hexed steppe]

is it just regular wd?

[subtle bluff]

I haven't tested it but that's what it says.

[hexed steppe]

i dont even have it to test 👴. seems geared more towards hf, since od isnt gonna really take advantage of half the talent . 24% wd and some status effects for the bleed isnt really a ton... especially considering coyote is team wide buff

[subtle bluff]

And support tanks.

[hexed steppe]

wd would be stronger on a build utilizing some blue cores like on HF/tanks... but then again memento gives 45%wd and 30% status effects on long buff, and bonus armor on short

weird piece for sure

if it kills ninja builds, ill be happy
🙅‍♂️ 🥷

[torn whale]

Hey, can someone help me with something?
where I can find Future Initiative

[versed flame]

The countdown

[torn whale]

thanks

[candid talon]

Alright, if I use a full strikers or obliterate strikers for incursion, with a secondary let's say rock n roll / ACS12. What is the ABSOLUTE BEST RIFLE? Elmo? Splinter? Carab? Famas? M16? Other meta stuff that I never heard about?

[versed flame]

Elmo if strikers

rock n roll- DZ loot

[torn whale]

can i ask you another question?

[versed flame]

If there is no Elma, then a carbine,M4,famas

[torn whale]

If I want to build healer and DPS gear
Which build do you recommend?

[versed flame]

Something like that

[torn whale]

ok thanks 🙂

[hexed steppe]

2 different agents asking

Red fi could be a dps healer. It's in the pinned sheet.

[versed flame]

Refactoring?

[hexed steppe]

Refactor is solid, but not dps. Personally it would be how I approach the role tho

[strange steppe]

Are there any pistol builds being used in PvP?

[slate wedge]

oh yes hahaha

regulus, liberty crit, regulus crit, regulus hazprot

[strange steppe]

Example of a build?

[slate wedge]

this would be a hazprot regulus build

i don’t have screenshots of the others but i can build em real quick with the online tool

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsFgTG5EOU1KBckAcYAsNgwBmOQtclBTafQwk3AVkovPVzv33lZb5HQA2QXhg9+E1Oli0GcSQsToAnCPyR4wfOEbMsZFumCC5xxRlDwG48MFibYJNsHREckaFj0Gp0XoiA

this one would be a standard regulus build, hoe many blue cores you take depends on your comfort

[autumn yacht]

hes on xbox so liberty is probably better suited

also id only run regen/hazpro reg with all the bh and sticky umbras running around

[slate wedge]

obviously you can go with vigilance and spark/gunslinger/unbreakable too

[slate wedge]

for some reason my regulus crit build did more than my liberty crit build when i tried it

[autumn yacht]

liberty shoots much faster and reloads faster

[near elm]

My idea for a build utilises damage to pulsed enemies, and cover to cover buffs. Currently I have 4p umbra, Ferocious calm and an overlord bp with the 'calculated' talent. Are there any changes that can be made to improve this current concept?

[slate wedge]

true, however you don’t really wanna trade with full auto guns anyways, rather peak and shoot so fire rate might not be that big of a drawback

[worn mango]

@hexed steppe Gotta farm for Provi chest for mortar, what should I use in the meantime? Wyvern glass cannon good enough for time being?

[slate wedge]

yeah that’s the best alternative

[autumn yacht]

i agree that liberty is pretty bad but on console reg is really rough to use

[worn mango]

Cool, I already have that in the stash

Finally can craft Grupo so I got a double yellow holster finally lol

[slate wedge]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/OwWgTCDM4wDC9EOU1AuYAOKMCMMx9UUT1hRoJ8IAWaYh0tQmS09xxNANm9bg6D0uPmwichKNJD40Q3OdngyQwPg2ZYQc3GDlJeQtLli1t45Lqph6TXNOzkQmAKzOiTUBMRA

this is probably what you would go for on a regulus crit build right?

for liberty just change the grupo piece to foxes/contractors

[slate wedge]

the weapon talent flatline is pretty bad right now so better use something like optimist or streamline

also always use the Umbra chestpiece as it gives really big boni and change the one of the umbra pieces to something like contractor gloves, foxes prayer kneepads or a grupo/ceska piece

the backpack talent calculated doesnt really do anything for you so better switch to something like vigilance/versatile or use an exotic backpack like memento or ninjabike bp which opens up new possibilities

[stable beacon]

anyone have a tank build that gives really good dps?

[worn mango]

You're asking for two very different things which aren't truly achievable without either sacrificing survivability or damage. Your best bet is a Heartbreaker Memento. This is Ikia's, use a Lexington or Police M4 as your AR

You'll have to pick up Memento stacks but once you have that it's kinda easy for solo heroic as long as you don't play awful

[hexed steppe]

Nice, yeah wyvern solid for chest in the meantime. If using force multiplier a second hanna pc can also work for chest. It's all really close so use what you have available

[worn mango]

I can't wait to see how long a double yellow Sacrifice will take now lol

[hexed steppe]

Make some Lootcifer sacrifices. It didnt take long getting 4x. A month or so for all.

It took me longer farming 4x waveform for the alts (different build)

[worn mango]

I have no idea what you're trying to tell me lol

[hexed steppe]

Nvm , was just my own farming times. It's irrelevant since rng gonna do what it wants

[barren tartan]

Now. I finally have memento

Should i use it on solo or multi

[slate wedge]

only solo or duo

[astral kraken]

as long as you're getting kills, it doesn't matter

[barren tartan]

Im killing fast enough

But i have coyote and memento and i can use only one of them at the moment

[unkempt knot]

am conflicted whether I should keep my OD Sadist Build or Opt for Bluescreen ND Build.
(both amp DMG for whole team but I wanna hear it from you guys.)

[tired falcon]

depends on the type of tank you're trying to do...

The basic one requires Vanguard or Perfect Vanguard, then Catharsis mask. Everything else is typically striker, though you could use Negotiator as well.
You could also use Memento instead of Catharsis, assuming you're doing enough dps to keep getting the trophies.

Another example would be using Tardigrade so that you're not dependent on using a shield. So that would be Tardigrade with striker and the last piece is whatever you need, ie a Groupo.

You could use backpack talents like Galvanize (or Perfect Galvanize), Leadership or that one talent which gives bonus armor when your shield gets hit (I forget the name).
Then you could use Umbra, Heartbreaker.

The main questions you need to ask yourself are

• do you want to be just absorbing incoming damage, or do you want to be constantly providing team bonus armor?
• which weapons will you be using?

[hazy steeple]

@unkempt knot Keep both, alternate which you use.
Although I will say: bleed bullets for everyone is almost never a bad thing.

[tired falcon]

I would use Bluescreen over an lmg with Sadist as Bluescreen is much more versatile.
Bluescreen works great with both Ongoing Directive and Heartbreaker

[hazy steeple]

There's no reason you can't use both, and if you really-really need a way to proc OD, use a skill like the Foam Chem to get it sorted.

[unkempt knot]

Other than the LMG.
This had OD Mask & Centurion. (ngl kind of a hassle in practice constantly switching for bonus.)
Precision Cover just to be sure.

[hazy steeple]

I forget which Exotic LMG people seem to pair it with these days.

[austere tree]

heartbreaker might work

[tired falcon]

probably Iron Lung

[hazy steeple]

I went for Memento over Coyotes.
buuuut Coyotes is a solid choice.

[unkempt knot]

Coyote's is too strong....specially in groups.

[astral kraken]

if there are other coyotes you can do contractor and ceska

[hazy steeple]

Emphasis on the Ceska though, you are strained for CHC, since it's a Gearset.

[unkempt knot]

not to mistake for Contractor's Gloves yes?

[onyx sage]

it is contractor's gloves that he meant

we frequently shorten it to contractor

[hazy steeple]

We also call it "remember that armour is only useful on a set amount of NPC's", but that's not as catchy.

rtaiouoasaonpc's really rolls off the tongue.

[unkempt knot]

Despite this chat I'm still sticking w/ Coyotes.
Someone could just bring a 2nd & I alr. get 10 CHC CHD + 25 CHC/CHD.

[hazy steeple]

2x Coyotes in a group is 100% fine, but 3 is pushing it.

Just remember to make that backpack a Ceska, unless you're going Memento of course.

[unkempt knot]

I was alr. annoyed farming 1 million CD Runs SPECIALLY when it comes to a unicorn that is Obliterate chest.

[hazy steeple]

Crumbly Tomatoes?

[unkempt knot]

Gravedigging a nursery home.

[hazy steeple]

That is the first time I've seen someone call it CountTown, ngl.

kinda has a ring to it.

1, 1 ceska backpack. Ah ah ah!

[candid talon]

What's the best talent for AR's right now?

Strained?

[unkempt knot]

Strained is a good pick but Measured & Killer are also worth noting.

[verbal gust]

Caretaker is good. 👍🏽 streamlined is good too if you don’t like using skills

[tired falcon]

if am not using an exotic AR then my go-to is currently Lud and Caretaker; caretaker with a Memento Negotiator build is a lot of fun...been using that with Pakhan

[verbal gust]

My go to as well and when they come out with Lexington again streamlined is going on it or measured I wonder what the damage is like w streamlined on it tbf

[hexed steppe]

i personally roll memento/ceska mask/hb chest its a solid setup for solo or group

[marble forge]

hey all, how do I farm Bluescreen?

[worn mango]

This weapon can be obtained from Exotic Caches and Mission rewards. It is a Mission reward for completing the SHD Mission Jefferson Trade Center (Manhunt: Captain Lewis), after which it can also be obtained from any area/mission with Light Machine Guns as targeted loot.

[marble forge]

i dont have that quest ative 😒

doing the trade center

[worn mango]

You can go back and do Legacy Manhunts at any time

[stable beacon]

uhhhh i have no idea i havent played in awhile

[astral kraken]

if you don't really know what you want just follow this progression: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?usp=sharing

[marble forge]

thank you bro

[stable beacon]

appreciate it

[strong cave]

I've already tried, it hits hard. You're locked out of skills tho so I really only see it viable if you don't care to play with skills. Better as a pvp talent I'd say

[tired falcon]

Lud works well with bonus armor builds, where you deploy a skill only when necessary.
I've used it with backfire, some form of bonus armor and intimidate

[candid talon]

How does Lud interact with a shield?

[marble forge]

done it but didn't receive the bp 😦

[worn mango]

Same as any skill, it's just a base gun with no ability

Streamline is ultimately not worth it when measured and killer exist

[hexed steppe]

i could see it having a place on determined headhunter builds when that new exo mask with abridged drops. most else youre gonna use some sort of skill on anyways... people that "never use skills" still fit a revive a lot of times so its kinda a nogo talent most of the time. imho ofc

-# idk how people decipher my msg sometimes with the amount of f-up typos

[worn mango]

Doesn't that take away from the hotshot mask for the 4 pieces and then you'd have to use backpack?

Or just forgoe the four piece at that point

[solar sable]

cuz you're old and we have some sympathy

[hexed steppe]

probably forget and use 3pc. it happens if someone wants to use a 321 setup too

[worn mango]

You mean 5.55

Yeah I'm not actually sure what adds more damage, 4th hotshot or streamline

To be honest I don't even remember what 4pc even does lol

[hexed steppe]

its qol mostly. there is a 20% damage buff but i cant remember if it figures into the top end or not

[worn mango]

It's stuff like the mag replenish too isn't it?

And even with that setup I love using the recon drone thingy

That little guy is great

[hexed steppe]

yeah mag, bonus armor with no time limit, damage buff

im partial to my emp sticky, great for a quick stagger when you need a asec

[onyx sage]

i love emp sticky

[hexed steppe]

42% wd could be pretty huge on hh setup, especially on top of determined

[verbal gust]

PvP yes and yes it hits like a freight train. Tried it with an AR instead of bighorn for regen and the damage is not so bad haha.

[rocky rain]

On which set is the backfire that’s so popular this season build?

[hexed steppe]

striker

[rocky rain]

Thanks

[hexed steppe]

armor cores help flex some hazpro from the modifiers

[verbal gust]

With catalyst mask def I see everyone using it tho. It’s a little bit on the boring side tbf

[rocky rain]

Oké, thanks. Will give it a try

[tame sparrow]

I got the Pakhan and I want it to do high damage with a high fire rate using some striker pieces. Any advice?

[tired falcon]

even with striker the Pakhan still fires pretty slow...if rpm is the priority then Umbra set works better

[lavish badger]

Tell me the medic build, because I haven't played the game for 9 months.... (PVE)

[lavish badger]

And what about the Measured Assembly brand?
Or is it only for the PVP?

[tired falcon]

it's basically the same setup as FI but you can opt for more blue/red cores as you get the skill tier bonus when team is near your hive or smart cover

[tiny stone]

What's the meta for catalyst mask? (Is there even one?) Max hazpro blue core striker? Hunters fury? I assume backfire is a must

[arctic scaffold]

any thoughs for this pvpbuild or is it fine its HZD/HSD

[subtle bluff]

None of what you said.

[tiny stone]

Very helpful

[subtle bluff]

Not all exotics are good or is needed in any or all build.

[loud pine]

its basically 2nd best to coyotes all the time

it works alright with OD but if youre running an exotic mask you will be better off with coyotes/grupo instead

and it will probably be 3rd best when tinkerer comes around at the climax mission

[tiny stone]

Ah got it. That's what I meant if there even is one

[subtle bluff]

Blood knuckles will always be the best for DPS but keep the proc up maybe harder.

[loud pine]

it was fun on OD while i got it proficient but that was it for catalyst

[sudden cloak]

I don't usually have issues with keeping bloody up

[subtle bluff]

I mean on bosses it’s not hard but it all fights BK isn’t optimal but worth to use. Just funny when everyone is trying to use or think Cata is good when BK is actually BiS for DPS boost.

[loud pine]

so many people are going crazy over catalyst and have been for weeks and now everyones realising its incredibly mediocre

[subtle bluff]

Give it another week

Support tank it could be ok to use

[astral kraken]

ppl dont look at numbers. proof is in how often you see the ninja bag.

[sudden cloak]

This^

[astral kraken]

if it looks like it might be good ppl just assume it is

[loud pine]

rugged gauntlets dps meta when

[subtle bluff]

Why I made a clip showing it’s bad.

[astral kraken]

perfect for sitting in tent on capitol boss room

[subtle bluff]

FU…. How many times I’ve carried a group just sitting there and at the end they go wtf we’re done?

[sudden cloak]

I prefer to spawn camp them lol

[astral kraken]

ppl stubbornly sitting in tent is a sight to see... especially in a checkpoint room

[hazy steeple]

It was the old recommended meta, it's hard to blame them for following instructions.

[loud pine]

my favourite gloves because i love being on fire and facetanking cleaners

[subtle bluff]

But not even trying to follow the guy that’s been clearing and carrying.

While at a checkpoint

[astral kraken]

true but a lot of ppl will stick to tent no matter what. i've had so many cases where 3 of us go right and 1 guy still goes to tent lol

we clear the room fast. matchmake with same person later and they still go to tent lol

[hazy steeple]

Yep, that was the exact described method that I was told when I first tried it way back when.
"stay in the ******** tent", in those exact words.

[subtle bluff]

I remember my first few times doing the tent and I was like this can’t be the only way to do this.

[hazy steeple]

Wish I still had my old screenshots folder, it's fun to see the names from back then.
ah the builds we used to use.

[astral kraken]

same. then i played with some knowledgable players and learned that if a strat is a long drawn out slog, it's the wrong strat

some ppl are fine with it tho. just to get through it like it's a dental operation lol

[slate wedge]

my group tried 4 hours on first day of the incursion to get the boss down,we couldn’t do it lmao

[sudden cloak]

I like teaching newer players the incursion, it's one of the few things where I know almost everything about it

[subtle bluff]

Incursion requires builds, strats and teamwork to get it done.

[subtle bluff]

Did you know you can 1shot moss from the front?

[sudden cloak]

I ran it a week ago with 3 first time clears, my longest run in a long time

[sudden cloak]

I knew about it, never learned how to do it or try it

[subtle bluff]

It's fun.

[sudden cloak]

Jk no I didn't know about that

Is it a spd run strat? Or just something that's fun to do

[subtle bluff]

Same kind of thought you'd do with Theo master and leggo bosses but one shot.

Fun

[slate wedge]

yeah it was the first day it came out, we didn’t know the mechanics then

[slate wedge]

same💀

when i just think about the amount of time i put into that mission

[subtle bluff]

Here I am only playing div2 for about 17months 15 since I found incursion and some how on top of clears boards.... I lived in there because of unemployment...

[sudden cloak]

I've only got 260 or so clears, but my fastest clear is like 7m 41seconds

What do y'all think about using precision smart cover for dps on lovebirds?

[subtle bluff]

I think I'm at 2k and officially 6:27

[subtle bluff]

In speeds we wouldn't use it.
LFG you could with MA for more damage just to figure out where anyone is going.

[sudden cloak]

Why not for spd runs?

[subtle bluff]

Don't need it the current way we do it is the most effective and reliable way of doing it.

If we were it'd be only the crit player using it.

[sudden cloak]

I mostly play Xbox, I wonder if the way we run it on Xbox is different than PC, then again I also wasn't fully into the full spd run way, I was like half way into them

[subtle bluff]

WR splits for lovebirds is like 34s

Shouldn't be too different the biggest is just being cracked at chasing and taking the shots.

[sudden cloak]

I know for all of my runs for lovebirds, was 3 of us using backfire and bloody knuckles

Obv someone using Fi

[subtle bluff]

Oh. It's 2 shot Johnson then burn Martinez.

Within like 25-30s

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, I wasn't fully into the spd run methods, my expertise at the time was only like 13

[subtle bluff]

In my bio you can find my YouTube with some old PB clips.

[sudden cloak]

I'll check em out, I think precision smart cover would be good for the more average runners

[subtle bluff]

It's just not many places to take cover without messing up stuff.

Why I say with MA sure it'll work since that'll igrone all the mechanics

[sudden cloak]

All 3 dps can take cover in the cubby hole up where lovebirds are, also, MA?

[subtle bluff]

measured assembly gearset

[sudden cloak]

Oh, I haven't used it or looked at it yet, I know it's similar to the div1 version right?

[subtle bluff]

No idea anything about div1

[sudden cloak]

Lol

[subtle bluff]

Imo not faster but can make it simpler.

[slate wedge]

damn 2k is mad, i only played until February 2024 and then stopped, just came back last week but at that time my pb was 6:44 and i had 550 completions

i just looked and you are 5th on completion lb, thats wild

[subtle bluff]

Wasn't joking I lived in there.

1\3 of them are ftc runs

[slate wedge]

dayum, i couldnt honestly

i had nights where my speedrun groups started like 150 incursion runs bit only finished like 10-30

[sudden cloak]

There's only one other person in my clan with over a hundred clears lol

[strange steppe]

Is there a badger tuff chest blueprint?

[sudden cloak]

I don't think so but I'm not entirely sure

[pale oyster]

Anyone got advice on a god tier PvP build? Wanted to run strikers but I feel like everyone is

[slate wedge]

big horn tank

[hasty sluice]

Ok dumb question and I don't want to google. Why is everyone talking about backfire+ gearset now? Did it get a buff I missed? I can't even remember what it does other than inflict you with bleed.

[slate wedge]

gives dumb amount of chd but takes long to stack

[urban latch]

it got a buff awhile ago, and casuals getting their builds from YT didnt realize how good it was. Then the new season came out and it gives some haz pro buffs, so people tried it out and realized its very strong now

[sudden cloak]

Still inflicts bleed but instead of having to build 200 stacks you only have to build 100 and you get the same amount of crit dmg from the talent

[pale oyster]

Thank you, btw any advice on a Pesti build?

[hasty sluice]

Ah so they effectively made it ramp up in half the time. + the new seasonal mods giving free haz pro. On top of YT going use this gun now

Thanks for the info my dudes

[sudden cloak]

Pretty much

[subtle bluff]

You ready to do some not so fun farming?

[sudden cloak]

😂

[subtle bluff]

If not, just go Striker, Ceska Chest GC and Contractors gloves.

[slate wedge]

for pvp?

[sudden cloak]

I could've sworn that the weapon DMG from striker didn't work for pesti

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't

RoF buff is why.

[slate wedge]

not on the ticks

[sudden cloak]

Alright then

[pale oyster]

Yeah, wanted to run something diff, played a few conflict matches and it CAN melt but im looking to absolutely cook. Im sure it can I just cant seem to put the right build together

[subtle bluff]

NBB Umbra, Contracts and 1pc HB

Conflict and PvP is very much a finding a playstyle that works for you or figuring it out.

[pale oyster]

Thats fair, whats yall favorite build to run PvE?

Or PvP?

[subtle bluff]

depends. I do like my Pesti build but it depends on the content and solo or not.

[astral kraken]

seasonal modifiers played a big part i think. a lot of yt backfire builds stack blue cores and use assault link to make up for the missing red cores.

[sudden cloak]

I like throwing myself at legendary tidal solo with a high end pfe build and memento

[astral kraken]

and suddenly title: iMmoRtaL mAssiVE DpS

[sudden cloak]

Yeahhhhhhhh, we're just gonna pretend they didn't say that lol

[subtle bluff]

Had 2 BF Hazpro guys in the leggo I was in carrying they both died.

[dawn pond]

Anyone recommend a returning player a decent PVE build? I had a patriot build running with Chameleon before and I’m just trying to get my feet back. My SHD is around 305 to get an idea of where I am at

[winged vine]

For pure burst damage with Ouroboros, RoF or DToC?

[dawn pond]

Also HELLO, I should’ve started with that first

[coarse pawn]

I second this as another returning player

[astral kraken]

hi mike. check the pinned messages for a list of builds/guides.

[dawn pond]

I know what oros is but idk the other two

[astral kraken]

this is also a great resource: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?usp=sharing

[dawn pond]

👀👀

[subtle bluff]

hopefully we're working on a better place

[dawn pond]

Thank you @astral kraken

[winged vine]

Rate of Fire and Damage to Target Out of Cover

[dawn pond]

AHHH, thank you!

[winged vine]

Np!

[vague thunder]

is this good enough for dz?

or should i go striker + catharsis (5 blue core) + fenrir?

[astral kraken]

you'll get shredded. here's a pvp build guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X87BwJv-I_58WAQh_bSDXRKNLBHTOi9Wtt4Bs6Pv7bY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.sztdj4iywieh

[vague thunder]

perfect just what im looking for

thanks mate

[sudden cloak]

Dtoc being multiplicative out performs every other stat available for that 3rd slot

Oreo already has a high enough rpm, no need to make it any higher

[cerulean smelt]

but need to make all that ammo go poof and they'll have to be like "why am i out of ammo already? i only reloaded 3 times!" (> <)

[sudden cloak]

Lol, I have a build that's just pure rpm that I like to use for fun

[cerulean smelt]

3 umbra 2 strikers?

[sudden cloak]

With Ninja yes

[cerulean smelt]

funny isn't it?

[subtle bluff]

plz no.. I do not need to see those again.

[sudden cloak]

I like pulling the build out whenever I'm running with newer players

[cerulean smelt]

try it with huntsman yet?

[sudden cloak]

I haven't no

[astral kraken]

poisoning the well i see

[sudden cloak]

I tell them specifically do NOT use what I'm using, I use it to keep myself entertained

[cold wasp]

Is the chameleon good ?

[subtle bluff]

The well isn't that clear to begin with...

[subtle bluff]

it's ok. Can be good

[cold wasp]

Oh it’s the only exotic I got rn besides the chatterbox and was just wondering. I’m coming back to the game after like 4-5 years and I’m level 40 just doing my story stuff and then WLOFNY

[subtle bluff]

Exotics aren't always, needed, or are the BiS on builds. Gonna say that.

[cold wasp]

Ohh thanks for info. Is there anything I should focus on doing or tryna get ? I don’t wanna ask to many questions 😅

[onyx sage]

i mean you can ask questions... it's just that you only have 3 questions left.

[cold wasp]

Well that’s really the only thing I wanna know for rn 🥲

[onyx sage]

i'm just yanking your leg just ask away lmao

[terse scroll]

yo, would headshot dmg as the 3rd attribute for Bighorn be a better roll instead of DTOC? If DTOC is better, can someone explain why exactly?
Is DTOC another dmg stat that’s being proced on weapon hit but HS isn’t since it’s only being proc’d during HS’s?

[slate wedge]

DTOOC is better, not only because it is being proc’d for bodyshots aswell but also because of the way damage gets calculated

DTOOC is an own multiplier in the formula, same as HSD however you normally get way more HSD than DTOOC on any build so adding 10% to an existing 200% is less of an impact than having a new 10% on top

i hope this was clear enough

[vestal ibex]

mafs

[terse scroll]

ty ty, that does give a better understanding

[terse scroll]

are there any videos or any other resources you might know of that explain how dmg is calculated in the game a bit more?

[slate wedge]

not at the top of my head but either iKia, Dod-Regnbue or Hutchler made a YT video about it i’m pretty sure

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzEqgWOGezQ

Bit old but a ton of this info is still relevant.

[astral kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xk15X0nW48

Text version: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zsb60ue6yKbcJctD8FQEAOAUxcyg5Cot1fuPQQD3xj4/edit?tab=t.0

[terse scroll]

i just pulled that one up xD

[terse scroll]

ooh ty, i like text docs as well

[astral kraken]

yea the doc is solid

[terse scroll]

you can get so deep into this game it’s crazy.
me and a friend put together a backfire build recently and i’ve been just skimming a few YT vids about it too,

are they all building Haz Pro so it shortens the duration and affect of the Bleed on reload from Backfire?

i have been stacking reds with my build bc i feel like the bleed from Backfire isn’t really an issue

[astral kraken]

if you're running it for damage then no hazpro
if you want a build with 100% hazpro (irrespective of backfire) then backfire is a good weapon run with it

the bleed isn't so much a problem as the slow effect which could get you downed

[terse scroll]

yeah running for dmg we were hitting like 13/14mil DPS is insane and we weren’t even procing Catalysis in the Range

[terse scroll]

that could just be mitigated with smart plays though right, like reloading in cover / behind shield ?

[solar sable]

I forgot to ask for talents on bag (which brand of the ones listed too) on this one and for the umbra w/bikeninja

[devout iris]

Anyone got like a fun build to run in the open world

[solar sable]

HHF is a lot of fun

[austere tree]

MrChow showed a build using Acosta's Kneepads to mitigate the bleeding (or should I say slowing) effect

[devout iris]

hhf?

[hexed steppe]

headhunter hunters fury

usually with regulus or shotguns

[devout iris]

oh it's the one, the build used in like solo legendary

may i get a build sheet for this one?

[solar sable]

this is the one I got

[devout iris]

oh, didn't expect to see one with the HF back pack

[subtle bluff]

It's not prefect but for solo it's fine

[astral kraken]

white death 1/2/max shot at grade 30: 5.4m, 13.5m, 22.7m

should be fine for solo

i think it's good to min/max this type of build if you have seasonal modifiers turned on

the overheal some npcs get make it harder for hh builds

[slate wedge]

which tool do you use to make this?

[solar sable]

I genuinely have no idea, I have those templates saved in my private server but uh, I think Chow knows

[onyx sage]

scooby sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s7vHHV9gR1mm2R6IIHqeebWhE5fTfuBI5KIYVN9kU0E/edit?gid=1067549626#gid=1067549626

[devout iris]

does it work if i use an 1886 rifle with determined?

@astral kraken

[solar sable]

I think you can use any weapons of your choice that have a high dmg output IIRC

[astral kraken]

oh bb do i have a build for you. ill post in a bit.

[devout iris]

cause now i just looked in my stash and i had a base 1886 withg determined on it

since for me the 1886 rifle is like the white death but texan style

with the amouynt of time youll fire it

[astral kraken]

this. build. slays. even at 4 player scaling.

it's enough damage to 1 tap most things on heroic once you're full stacks. 1886 has a super fast fire rate and you can use it with a shield.

and if you come across a spawn door, whip out the reg, and kill them all at once

if you come across a chunga, whip out the reg, break the helmet, finish with 1886

if a chunga is close and you have no reg stacks, whip out shotty, shoot his head to break helmet, whip out reg and finish

it'll work well against most factions. the ones with helmets you just have prioritize targets more.

it completely destroys cleaners

make sure you wear a cowboy hat

[devout iris]

roger that, since once i bought that white tusk officer outfit i will not take it off my agent here

[devout iris]

all of them red attributes are just HS and WH?

[astral kraken]

yea

[devout iris]

ok

[cosmic compass]

I need to get me some Better Build

[mighty tusk]

Wouldn't the bigger the magazine size, the slower the reload is?

[solar sable]

No, you can get them outside the raid and it still counts for donation

[astral kraken]

yea but it's just 1 extra round

plus the 1886 reloads can be interrupted

[subtle bluff]

You can get more dmg with Breaking Point mixed in.

[astral kraken]

yea i think the difference is like 5% rifle dmg

i just like the handling and extra round i get from zoo

[subtle bluff]

‎

[astral kraken]

yep

[subtle bluff]

I use both in mine build

[astral kraken]

ooooh what if i use ninja! i can get everything i want!

yea this one is sorta balanced around the reg too

[subtle bluff]

Ya I see that.

I did one with 3 Breaking and 2 Zw. Worked well.

[astral kraken]

yea when a build like that gets rolling on heroic... teammates are like: can i play too?

[subtle bluff]

I use mine on leggo too

[astral kraken]

solo or group?

[subtle bluff]

Both

[quiet brook]

Anyone got a good chatterbox/fury build? The build I was following is using Brazos chest and holster with ninja Ike backpack but I feel like there’s a better chest and holster set to run

[hazy steeple]

@quiet brook Check the 📌 pinned-message of this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds. There's a Hunters Fury guide in there.
You can throw Chatterbox on that.

[quiet brook]

Sweet thanks

[hazy steeple]

good call on being weary about NinjaBag builds, they're rarely that good.
Just for full reference: the spreadsheet is all up to date as far as choices go, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask them in here. It's made by the folks in this server, after all 🙂

[gaunt aurora]

does anyone know how to tinkering twice, i mean like tinkering core and attribute in one item?

[hazy steeple]

@gaunt aurora You can only recalibrate a single "thing" on any one item, but you can optimise the rest of the attributes.

so for example: you can change the talent on a Backpack, but then the attributes are locked forever on that particular item.

[strong cave]

You'll want Ad-Rush on the backpack. As long as you have the brand bonuses, the slots don't matter. On mine I have a double crit ad rush Gila backpack. You can slot a different brand there, it's not order specific (Uzina or Golan or Gila)

example 1

Example 2

Order doesn't matter. Personally I'd recommend crafting what you can since armor + crits is easy. That's if you can afford to optimize. Farm for a compatible backpack.

Whole setup will be Armor/CHC/CHD. I was lazy and didn't apply the attributes

Lastly, Umbra Template

I left the guns empty and the mod slots empty. Skills as well. Up to you to decide what to use. If you're going with capacitor, take Tech for the extra skill tier. Gives it more damage and the extra skill tier is nice

[odd ginkgo]

Can someone recommend a good support build for helping shepherd low level agents?

I can find the details in the pinned sheet, just don't know which one to look for.

[loud narwhal]

Is blue core Hunters Fury viable? I am running blue striker and love the armor.... I wanna run more SMG but red core I am super squishy.

[slate wedge]

yeah, start with 4 blue cores and go down when you feel like you need more damage and can manage the damage intake

[odd ginkgo]

I've got a 3 red, 3 blue HF that I take into Challenging lvl Countdown.

[loud narwhal]

What armorer & exotic you guys use with Hunters Fury? Or do you run the full set?

[odd ginkgo]

HF Countdown Protection From Elites build

[odd ginkgo]

I suggest Lady Death or Scorpio for an Exotic. Dark Winter or an ACS-12 for a secondary.

[loud narwhal]

Ugh I want Dark Winter but don't wanna do DZ. I've gone twice and someone 5k+ SHD just nukes me.

[odd ginkgo]

It drops from Named caches. That's how I got mine. Spend your CD bucks on named cache boxes.

I don't do DZ either.

[loud narwhal]

That's what I've been doing ...just keep getting snipers ...

[odd ginkgo]

Oof. Maybe try setting SMG for loot drop in CD?

[loud narwhal]

What about perks/passive/specializations?

[loud narwhal]

I was told it doesn't drop in CD....I'm also going for orbo smg

[odd ginkgo]

If you want survivability, check this post:
#td2-build-advice message

You get and give bonus armor when you open your shield, and you get bonus armor on kills. That build is my go to CD build.

Scorpio for some CC and it buffs the damage coming from your teammates.

[odd ginkgo]

Yeah, I don't think it does either.

[urban latch]

Red future or OD. There's guides in the pinned spreadsheet.

[full bane]

im new player, did some CP farming last days but i got 0 on optimization type, how does that work? after i complete all normal ones i will start getting optimization blueprints?

[vestal ibex]

It's a huge pool of blueprints, you might get some early or you might get em last. It's just RNG so keep farming and just get all the blueprints anyway, it'll help you in the future when making builds/crafting.

[ashen portal]

Best way to get blue prints is farm control points i believe hope that helps

[full bane]

roger, im actually desperate in need of cleaners materials for optimizing

i see the blueprint can drop in summit, is it better to farm summit if i am looking exactly for that one?

[ashen portal]

Do you have wony dlc?

[full bane]

i think i have warlords of new york, how can i check?

[full bane]

nono, i have standard edition

[ashen portal]

Go to your map which is the touch pad on PlayStation then zoom out should see a circle above and when you hover over it should let you fast travel
If you haven’t been there yet you can go to the pilot at the White House and choose that Destination

Oh ok well that’s a bit tricky yeah farm summit as all type of gangs spawn there I usually just head to New York an cp there for cleaner stuff if you can’t do that maybe summit

[tired ermine]

Any recommended builds for hunting hunters or does that fall under PFE builds? Want to track down masks

[full bane]

yep i can farm in new york, so farm CP alert level 3 here non stop?

i saw on youtube to do public executions, have the 2 hostages alive, i get bounty, problem is bounty can be any type, so random

second problem is that they were saying to farm bounty's on normal difficulty and you will get 4 cleaners materials, that is not true, i got only 1 piece

[vestal ibex]

I would personally just do control points, CPs (on the highest diff with as many directives to gain xp too) can be done in 3-4 minutes pretty easy and you can even reset the control points via map options if you have a CP you like to farm, I personally do navy plaza.

[full bane]

how about do them in new york? will i have more chance to get the cleaners there? or cleaners blueprint?

[vestal ibex]

All the same pool of blueprints. I mean you sound low enough level that you shouldn't concern with optimizing tho. That time you are farming mats just to optimize would probably be better just farming a better rolled item imo. I personally don't suggest optimizing until you can't farm up better items or you're down to the highend chest/backpacks that aren't easy to farm.

[odd ginkgo]

I concur.

A weapon doesn't have to be optimized to be useful. I've got some that are about 75% there and they clear challenging content just fine.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah via farming you can get most builds to 85%+ perfect without optimizing pretty easy. I'd still suggest doing your CP3-4s to get all your blueprints tho, along side filling up your recal library. It's all just farming in the end so as long as you enjoy it go ham.

[astral kraken]

hunters are best fought with a standard red dps build

use foam launcher and foam grenades to glue them down then shoot them

in groups you can have a dedicated foam build to make it super easy, but your teammates need to be running all red to kill them fast

[full bane]

agree, spent 40 hours in countdown for better rolls, my SHD is around 200 level so yes, new player, this are my item stats, best i could do

now i was wondering how can i improve my char more for the moment, was trying to push gloves weapon dmg, but ran out of optimizing mats

[odd ginkgo]

Those are fine for now.

[astral kraken]

reroll that elmo to damage to target out of cover. only costs one exo component you can easily get it by doing priority objectives.

5-10 rerolls will usually do it. sometimes just one.

[full bane]

how to do it?

[odd ginkgo]

You can also grind countdown and buy exotic caches from the CD store.

[astral kraken]

go to the crafting bench. its in the exotic category.

it's worth doing b/c once it's done it's done forever

[odd ginkgo]

It will consume your Elmo and give you a new one. Just an FYI.

[full bane]

do i need blueprint?

[astral kraken]

that lady next to the bench sells em

[full bane]

this vendor?

[odd ginkgo]

Go into the Whitehouse.

There's a crafting bench and a tinkering bench in a room kind of across from the shooting range.

[vestal ibex]

When you walk in the front door go to the hallway and turn left and they are just like 15 feet(5m) on your left.

[full bane]

yep found it, holy, i got it from first try
with max stats

[vestal ibex]

GGs boi

[astral kraken]

LOL

[odd ginkgo]

I'm jelly.

[vestal ibex]

Hello 10% more damage off the rip

[astral kraken]

now 1,000 people won't get a catalyst for another 50 runs, good job!

it has to balance out ya know

[full bane]

😂 , i though its normal to roll max, from library stats but i guess not

[odd ginkgo]

Prefectly balanced, as all things should be.

[astral kraken]

don't forget to favorite it again

[vestal ibex]

The only other thing you could do is make sure you've got 60% CHC and the rest dumped into CHD then just fill out your watch.

[astral kraken]

trust. me. 😭

[odd ginkgo]

I feel that.

[full bane]

did my best, alot of ppl helped me here in chat in the last weeks

i have no survivability ofc, but i think im a glasscannon, if i want some armor or other stats, it will hurt my dmg too much, now with low items levels etc. i think glasscannon is ok

[vestal ibex]

Just don't get shot. It comes with time and experience.

[astral kraken]

and getting shot

[odd ginkgo]

You've got 61.5% CHC. If you can, swap a CHC mod out of your gear for a CHD mod.

[astral kraken]

that's modifiers doing that. best to make builds with modifiers turned off.

then let modifiers give you whatever bonuses it wants

[full bane]

yep will do in the future cause i made the build when i was like lvl 50 shd and now i got more crit from watch
glad i can improve

[odd ginkgo]

Ah, that makes sense.

[full bane]

but i kept duplicates of this sets, with same good stats, in case i will need em, i have replacements now izi, glad i though about that

thank you guys, appreciate every tip, this div 2 community is amazing

[odd ginkgo]

I concur, this community is great!

[raw marlin]

Hey people

This is best

Bye

[astral kraken]

bye

[arctic schooner]

guys, whats the best exotic smg in the game?

[hazy steeple]

It depends on what your build is.

And it's important to remember that Exotics are not the "best" items in div2, just another tier.

[rapid crown]

Anyone know best farm for saint elms

[hazy steeple]

Same as about 90% of exotics in div2:
Targeted Loot: Assault Rifles, then either Challenging Countdown, or Priority Objectives.

[arctic schooner]

hunters fury?

[autumn yacht]

this is what you end up making after the advice we gave 💀

[hazy steeple]

Any are fine, although I wouldn't throw Backfire in that pile.

[arctic schooner]

hmmmm which is better, ouroboros or backfire?

[autumn yacht]

i believe kia has measured vector on his HF build but i’d have to double check

[vestal ibex]

Ouro if you can't keep 100 stacks for any reasonable time on backfire.

You'd also have to do DPS calcs(use the pinned spread sheet) to see at what stacks the cross over is cause ouro will do more damage than backfire until a certain amount of stacks. idk what stacks that is tho.

[craggy forge]

Which is the best one-shot build to farm CPs for Watch levels?

[onyx sage]

depends on your skill

if you just want to stay at range and snipe then hotshot it is, it's still the most consistent

for some CPs it's faster to clear with regulus, not all of them, in which case HHF or the high end HH setup is better

you can also snipe with the high end setup as well so you're not limited to just regulus

[craggy forge]

can you link me a quick setup for Hotshot?

[green stream]

w or l

[tiny stone]

anyone have a good CC build recommendation?

[onyx sage]

ye olde reliable

[onyx sage]

improvised gloves can be replaced with electrique gloves, and it doesn't have to go into gloves, can be holster, kneepads, mask

[tiny stone]

is there a repo of all these build images? i've seen a bunch floating around here

[slate wedge]

one of the fastest CP clear builds is contractors, foxes, gift, chainkiller, punch drunk and dcg holster with the prophet

everything rolled to hsd and crit damage

maybe replace gift foxes and contractors with 3 pieces IA

[hearty owl]

Erm…

Prophet is kinda dookie

and HSD + CHD is so overkill 😭

[hexed steppe]

Check the pinned spreadsheet. Lots of build guides

[slate wedge]

is it? honestly never tried it but it sounded good

[hearty owl]

You can’t chain bodyshots on Prophet

[slate wedge]

nothing is ever overkill

[hearty owl]

Prophet has Determined implemented correctly so you have to actually aim for the head every other shot

[hexed steppe]

Harvest or police 686 for determined

[onyx sage]

these are just pictorial summaries of the guides in the pinned spreadsheet yeah

[onyx sage]

it's so bait

[hexed steppe]

Actually the only determined implemented as intended

Nvm

Reading is a secondary skill for me apparently

[slate wedge]

oh bruh i didnt know

then probably harvest with determined?

[onyx sage]

ye

[slate wedge]

i can get that from loot goblin rn right?

[onyx sage]

i'm a determined aficionado. i spam determined everywhere

[hearty owl]

Yes DZ South sir

[slate wedge]

same, but usually only in PvP or countdown don’t really play anything else anymore

and in countdown i am only running theough and collecting loot with a full pfe build

at the moment

[hearty owl]

PvP and Countdown is crazy work ngl

The 2 most mind numbing things to do in the game 😭

[hearty owl]

Bazooka…

We need to have a talk buddy

[slate wedge]

says the guy who speedran incursions too

[hearty owl]

Why is my OG inc speed teammate running PFE in Countdown 😭

TRUE THOUGH

[slate wedge]

because i can’t always play on PC so when i have to play on MacBook abd have 15 fos and no mouse i can’t really participate lmao

[slate wedge]

i know tho

[hearty owl]

Honestly that is such a valid excuse

[slate wedge]

yeah after 10 minutes of playing division on macbook air it is so hot i can’t have it on my lap anymore lol

[hearty owl]

You are hardware limited into running a Kamikazevondoom Countdown build

[slate wedge]

hahahaha so true

i could run a healer but i am too lazy

i am just watching yt while running my pfe build honestly

[hearty owl]

Nah stick to the PFE buddy 😂

[onyx sage]

subway surfer + minecraft jumping in the background

[hearty owl]

Gen Z gameplay

[onyx sage]

can't solo a legendary without subway surfer with TTS bs playing

[astral kraken]

probably just gave up

"i'm gonna go collect some loot now"

which, honestly... fair enough lol

[onyx sage]

this is the way of the 1886: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP15LBuf8go

[astral kraken]

@devout iris some motivation 😄

first half is regulus stuff, second half is 1886

[devout iris]

i mean i already got kestrels build set up, just couldn't find one zwai backpack with HS and WH so just got one with CH and WH and just put a HS mod and called it a day

[astral kraken]

and the cowboy hat???

i know i'm not wearing one, i always have a hoodie, it's my brand

[devout iris]

yup, tried to see if i can take Capitol building on legendary but the damn grenader's fire at me like as if the M32 is a rifle

[astral kraken]

ooo there's a sneaky little spot for that

[devout iris]

Not to mention even if I wanna peak, I get lasered with bullets

[astral kraken]

decoy on the porta potty, peak right side juust barely. won't get hit and can hit them.

[devout iris]

Then again once in done with the enemies i would have to push for then to spawn, which the Chung's comes in

[astral kraken]

nope go under the bridge to the left. there's a little area in there you can sit. the grenade dogs can't hit you there... 95% of the time lol. keep tossing your decoy out and popping reds.

kill red, kill purple, kill dog. repeat. then kill red and purple and break chunga helmet. then kill chunga.

[onyx sage]

or just run directly to the spawn and skip chunga/dogs

[astral kraken]

yep! wave skip is great.

it's good to learn the under-the-bridge thing though because sometimes you won't be able to wave skip when in a random group.

@devout iris how the wave skip works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVv5HsdVgdw

[onyx sage]

crazy that this PB uses concussion on bp instead of vigi

[craggy forge]

Like how are these numbers coming up? 2.3-3m, on the 2nd screenshot I had modifiers up, but 1st screensho no link used, only full stacks on strikers, somebody buffing me? Cause I don't always get these numbers

[vestal ibex]

Countdown bro.

[craggy forge]

Well not getting those numbers on every single countdown 😄

[craggy forge]

Ahh ok

[vestal ibex]

Looks like the 25% weapon damage to enemies within 15m but there could be other spec buffs at play like firewall proxy or who knows what else.

[tawdry flare]

We have new bro

[hearty owl]

The 25% one stacks incorrectly

Gives 25% amp per player within 15m

Which is why you can do 8mil with an AR on the initial hunters cause everyone is close to each other

[tall sphinx]

Just threw this together and it’s actually decent

[solar sable]

I feel like throwing up

your crit chance is on the ground...

[astral kraken]

chill lol

[tall sphinx]

Yeah that’s okay, I never said it was perfect. Lmfao.

[solar sable]

I saw bikeninja that's why

[astral kraken]

what difficulty level do you play at?

[tall sphinx]

Heroic

[astral kraken]

solo?

[tall sphinx]

Sometimes

[hazy steeple]

After enough practice, you can use basically anything at Heroic, it's kinda the "default" difficulty for endgame.
The trick is to do it efficiently, so you want a good build.

[astral kraken]

I'd say try putting together one of the builds in the recommended build guide. One of the best practices is not to use multiple gear sets in one build. It doesn't need to be perfectly optimized, but something recommended. Then compare that with the performance of your current build.

[hazy steeple]

IIRc We had a player a few years back, whose goal was to finish every mission on Heroic with a full set of White Gear.

This is before Determined, mind you.

[tall sphinx]

I have like 8 different builds I was just trying something different.

[astral kraken]

Dope. If you're having fun with then that's all that matters. The game is all math under the hood though and the math in your build is... lacking haha.

[leaden kayak]

hey guys i have these and chameleon but i dont know what to build any help ?

[rocky rain]

What works better with the Backfire and Striker: the new Catalyst mask or old school Memento?

[green stream]

yall like my expertise

[hearty owl]

They both give AWD but Memento would be higher with the short term buffs from trophy pickup. Catalyst would be much more convenient

Just a matter of what content ig. Catalyst for a group since you aren’t guaranteed trophies and Memento otherwise

[rocky rain]

Thank you, makes perfect sense.

And with a Yaahl-Obliterate chest right?
And with the Catalyst, what do you use as a chest?

[hearty owl]

If you’re going down the Hazard Protection route then yeah Yaahl would be the way to go… could probably run the same with Catalyst? I mean it procs off of taking a status effect so even if you had high Bleed Resistance as long as it procs for even a second it should give the Catalyst stack

Tbh have never made this build myself so don’t know too much

[rocky rain]

Thanks, I’ll test both, so far the Memento way seems better, at least in terms of survivability

[hearty owl]

Yeah the regen should help offset the bleed

[dire fjord]

what specialism is the best to start of with i like playing mid range and and doing the second bit of the story

[rocky rain]

Gunner so you get 10% armor back on every kill or Technician for an extra skill-tier

[dire fjord]

tanks

[solar sable]

First of all, favorite all yout exotics and high end ARs with 800+ RPM.

Then, take a look at the 📌 Spreadsheet and look for Striker's. That's a basic but widely used for any content.

[nova edge]

are headshot builds nerfed/ineffective for heroic w/ 5 directives?

[solar sable]

no?

Why what's happening?

[rocky rain]

No but hard to survive with imo

[nova edge]

I get my buffs going with white death and determined but the headshot is only cracking the enemies helmets and not killing them.

[solar sable]

That's supposed to happen

[hearty owl]

Yes that is a normal interaction

[solar sable]

Determined doesn't kill with helmets, it destroys them and deactivates the talent

[nova edge]

so ill have to just reactivate the talent repeatedly

[solar sable]

yes, that's about it

[hearty owl]

They should be one shot to the head after helmet break so free stack

[solar sable]

Only happens with helmets and not with shields btw

[hearty owl]

You just gotta hit them in the head 😃

[solar sable]

it's easy, they get disoriented when their helmet pops

[hexed steppe]

Who knew determined required just a small drop of skill every now and then

This seasons modifiers must be playing hell with the ego of some agents... determined is the be all end all build... right?

[hoary valve]

what would you run for chameleon?

[nova edge]

thx for the help doomz and Whaet

[slate wedge]

probably striker

[solar sable]

what the other person said
chamaleon is super inconsistent when it comes to maintaining stacks, it's a matter of preference but I'd say use something else

[tired falcon]

since the weapon accuracy is trash, it's effectively only a close range weapon.
That being said, it's buffs are good, so it works well with dps oriented gear like Striker, Ongoing Directive, Negotiator, Hunters Fury.
If you insist on using it like a true AR then you need to compensate for it's poor accuracy.

Something like this
Visionario
Centurion holster or Exodus gloves
rest striker

or stick to close range and use an ordinary Coyote + striker + Obliterate build

[hoary valve]

isn't most ar in the game poor

?

[onyx sage]

no, a lot of the ARs are very strong

[vestal ibex]

Stong

[hoary valve]

talking about poor accuracy

[onyx sage]

nope, they are way more accurate than cham

if you take even a police m4 and compare, the cham gets smoked

[tired falcon]

No, but that's besides the point. What I was trying to say is that Chameleon is significantly worse than other AR's; it's very noticable.
You can see it for yourself at the shooting range. It's basically an smg that comes with damage to health.
It is a good weapon but I don't use it in situations where I need to reliably hit targets at medium ranges

[hoary valve]

i can see already shooting 50m and the accuracy sucks

[vestal ibex]

50m....

[light grove]

It’s just nice to be shot gun rushing with even more sprinkle from the modifiers

[onyx sage]

are you talking about the cham specifically or ARs in general? because good ARs can still hit at 50m if you have to, whereas cham is very disadvantaged at this range

[hoary valve]

just the cham

[onyx sage]

well yeah duh that's the point we've been making

[tired falcon]

what you can do is to spec into weapon handling since it comes with significant crit chance/dmg buffs.
If using striker set with two 8% weapon handling gear attributes then the total weapon handling comes to 31%.
That's the sweet spot.
My Chameleon striker loadout uses Memento and a Grupo with Obliterate (for Legendary difficulty I swap out the Grupo for a Palliside for the extra armor on kill)
with two 8% weapon handling attributes

[royal ruin]

Question recent returning player. If you don’t have turmoil knee pads for Stryker or heartbreaker. What is good substitute

[onyx sage]

you don't need turmoil.

[vestal ibex]

Turmoil isn't even the standard. Just ceska/grupo or ceska/coyotes if you have it.

[onyx sage]

you just use the regular crit pieces. follow the standard build guides. turmoil actually makes your build worse here

[royal ruin]

Oh gotcha. Good to know Will run ceska/grupo or coyote

[tired falcon]

turmoil is a borderline joke item, at best a fun experiment for sniper & Determined builds. There are only a handful of builds that can make it work but not really worth the effort

[light bear]

any advice?

[solar sable]

Get a Ceska vest w/Obliterate and both Crits.
All your striker's gear have to have CHD, mods can be CHC and get it close to 60%.

[tired falcon]

why two AR's?

You would be better off replacing the vest with something (Ceska, grupo, Fenris, Palliside) that has obliterate.
Even a crafted one with crap attributes would be better than that 5.11 piece

[light bear]

i’ve only been playing for a week so honestly i have no idea what i’m doing, i’ve just seen people talking about striker builds so i put on the armor

[solar sable]

↑ this is one setup if you wanna keep Memento

[light bear]

i’m guessing obliterate is a talent on the vest?

[solar sable]

on a Ceska vest, yes

[light bear]

should i target look ceska then and grind until i get one of those vests with obliterate

[solar sable]

yes and no
Target Ceska and try to get one with either:

• Both Crits and an open talent slot (if you have Obliterate saved to your Library) (most optimal)
• One crit and Obliterate (Recalibrate the second crit to it)

[light bear]

would it be smart to try and get a vest that has obliterate and then extract that to my library, then grind for a vest with both crits and an open talent slot

[onyx sage]

yes, it's smart

[solar sable]

Exactly

gotta love people who think like that

[light bear]

i’ve been looking up builds and all their armor has 170k but all the pieces i get are like 100-150 so im assuming its just luck based

[solar sable]

pure rng

[light bear]

well my rng is pretty trash considering i’ve done 20 countdowns and no st. elmos 😭

[solar sable]

AR TL?

[light bear]

mhm

i’ve gotten 2 chameleons

[solar sable]

You can also try Summit Floor 10 Farming
It works perfectly for named items and exotics imo

[surreal moth]

I got 4 Chameleons before I get Elmos

[solar sable]

you mean 4 exotic components before Elmo's? /s

[light bear]

sorry for asking so many questions but i’m new so this is all a lot

[solar sable]

nah, don't apologize
we were all newbies

[light bear]

also i saw people using the rock n roll shotgun, i looked it up and it said the best way to get it was conflict caches

[solar sable]

Named Item Caches. Conflict is PvP and you won't always win without a dedicated PvP build

[light bear]

i mean i’m 3/3 in conflict luckily

[solar sable]

Countdown vendor sells them
IMO an ACS-12 with Brazen works better than R&R

[light bear]

also what’s the best way to level up my watch because i see people like level 7000-20000 and i’m holy

[solar sable]

one method pinned in → #ask-td2-community

There's a 5xXP event coming soon so you can try to get the build the pin suggests and improve your clear time

@azure sentinel

[light bear]

tysm

[solar sable]

that build is for a different purpose but it also works with Control Point Farming

I've been using it and having fun popping named bosses heads with Regulus

[onyx sage]

i can't do it without determined...

[autumn yacht]

(harvester works too if you don’t have reg)

[solar sable]

plug in a better gaming chair smh...

[candid talon]

@subtle bluff it's not just the RPM on the SR-1 versus White Death, it's the reload speed as well, sir.

[solar sable]

sr-1 is obviously better because it uses a mag, White Death doesn't
it's about dmg at the end of the day

[stray atlas]

trying to mess around with the bluescreen, do you think ongoing directive or negotiators dilemma would be better? also swap out exodus for the vile or that other mask for more dmg?

[strong cave]

How's the umbra build + tardi build coming along?

[hexed steppe]

Takes a lot of time basically. You'll make good gains during 3x/5x xp events. It kinda means nothing seeing a high shd level tbh, so dont get hung up. Push past your 1k and you'll be on the same footing minus a time bit of health. By 2k there is no difference

[strong cave]

Ditch ceska chest and use OD chest. Swap backpack for ceska bag with wicked or unstoppable force

[solar sable]

Just getting the umbra pieces again cuz I trashed them idk when 😵‍💫

[hexed steppe]

@subtle bluff nego bs is all yours

[stray atlas]

so what about the masks? shouldn i keep exodus?

[solar sable]

I'm still making both builds tho

[stray atlas]

its underrated, seen people solo master with it

[solar sable]

wdym all yours that was your field 😭

[hexed steppe]

I see Doomz is a sg convert 😎

Bout time

[strong cave]

Keep exodus yes

They're like unbreakable but on gloves

[stray atlas]

alright nice one, im only shd 21 is this scalable do you think?

[strong cave]

Yes it can clear heroic

[autumn yacht]

this gun is underrated

[stray atlas]

like will it be good for potentially runninng legendary?

[solar sable]

I saw sg's spawns easier to clear with regulus and omg it's lovely

[strong cave]

Ah yes, division china

[solar sable]

Is division in china still enjoyable? holy f-...

[hexed steppe]

Nego is goated, no doubts. I just havent given it enough time with bluescreen, to really push it. I do like it a lot. Mr.Chow been rolling through legs with it tho so definitly one to consult about it

[stray atlas]

yeah, just wondering if the dps with the other set would be better, are you also in agreement that i should swap the backpack and chest?>

[hexed steppe]

I have used it a lot on od and bs really good there

I use nego bag in my set. That transfer buff is nice.

Glass chest

[autumn yacht]

if youve ever played a hoyo game its like their relic system on steroids

[stray atlas]

perfect glass connon u think?

and would that be a good build to get my way through most stuff solo?

[solar sable]

if I only had a newer system

[hexed steppe]

I have ceska and Grupo glass/ oblit chests for flexibility. You can use perfect if prefered tho. Oblit safer if doing legs/master stuff a lot. All preference at the end of the day

[violet juniper]

Spotter isn't as good of a talent as it sounds

[violet juniper]

Neither, use Vigi

Wicked is directly worse than Vigi, and unstoppable force is only better if you use Backbone

[violet juniper]

what the hell is that?

oh it's Chinese Division

[stray atlas]

im smoking legendary rn with it tbf its decent

[subtle bluff]

So you want to do DPS or?

[violet juniper]

it might be decent, but the OD chest will be better

[stray atlas]

yeah im gonna try get that

[violet juniper]

plus, less work needed to get the talent going

[stray atlas]

im doing negotiators dilemma i thinki

[subtle bluff]

What you wanting to do with the build DPS, Support or something else?
I have a really long answer because I need to make a guide for Bluescreen OD and Nego

[stray atlas]

i do mostly solop but i wanna be able to do all the misions

so dps and survivability

[subtle bluff]

None of what I'm gonna say for the build is gonna be with blue cores. Bluesceeen isn't a really high dps weapon but it has CC build in so it needs it's red cores.
In your case I would say just run Strikers with Menento.

[subtle bluff]

Yea I’ve been carrying with it but there are section I need to swap back to Striker or HH. Nego Bluescreen is really strong but the playstyle is very different.
But the idea and setup was more for group play in general to have things with more HP allows you to just tag and focus. Lower HP IDK I haven’t used it to solo anything.

[dark plume]

Hello! Returning player here, is Hunter's Fury with Coyotes and Chatterbox a decent build to go for or is it played out at this point?

[onyx sage]

you don't use hunter's fury with coyote

[dark plume]

Why not? Is it because critical hit damage has a cap or something? I'm still re-learning everything

[subtle bluff]

Chest and BP talents are very strong basically

HF Chest and BP talents aren’t dmg talent.

[dark plume]

So, what's a good alternative? Memento BP? Or GRP chest?

[subtle bluff]

Both of those work.
Ad rush with intimadate is normal go to.

[dark plume]

Thanks for the help!

[mossy dirge]

Want to use lady death, dark winter...

[candid talon]

Nightwatcher with HD and obliterate is pretty fire

What should I do to improve this build? NB feels so underwhelming. Knees are Turmoil

[hexed steppe]

I'm just wondering where this is relevant to to conversation you are quoting into 🤔

[hexed steppe]

Ok multiple posts.
Remove ninja, add vigilance bag
Add contractors gloves
Add foxs knee
Add punch drunk mask
Add preference red core hsd rolled holster
Add determined to your pistol.
Or swap it all out for headhunter hunter fury setup

[strong cave]

Get shot once, goodbye 25%. I only use Vigi on hotshot or in pvp. I prefer unstoppable force in PvE for 100% uptime even if I get shot. Getting stacks for sure takes work but at least I can afford to take some damage

If you need immediate up front damage, I agree, Vigi the way to go. Also, yes, the "don't get shot" advice is never ending here. But let's all be real, you WILL get shot at one point 😂

[hexed steppe]

High damage builds are always targetted. Preference for wicked. Always up, no stacking

[violet juniper]

it's only 4 seconds

like you notice the loss for a moment or two, then it's back

[hexed steppe]

Well unless you continue getting hit

It can add up to a lot of lost damage over the course of a mission

[strong cave]

^^ exactly this. Sometimes you can be flanked or have numerous shoot you at once and you have to duck for cover

[hexed steppe]

Also nade/drones and other indirect forms of damage. It's not as simple as down for 4 sec then back

[strong cave]

^^ this too

[hexed steppe]

I'll see a ton of damage from a wicked/carnage od setup

[strong cave]

Good example is OD builds. People swear by Vigi but if you look at it, OD can be used as crit/status. You kinda have to play aggressive. Playing cover works but opens up more room for being shot

[strong cave]

Because of the constant 18% uptime. Same with Unstoppable Force. You only need 5 kills, significantly easier than not being shot

I don't struggle with getting 5 kills. I struggle with being shot 😂

[hexed steppe]

I dont really use unstoppable but its solid and has my respect

I would need to farm it. I do have a ceska with it already... but I need farming for 4x agents

[strong cave]

I dislike Vigi in PvE except on HH builds. Unstoppable Force gives the same amount, and has no downtime unless you can't get kills or you've already cleared the room. Vigi is a PvP talent bc the bonuses in pvp is worth more than in PvE

That's just my playstyle and preference. I dislike having to play corner kissing/cover hiding just to keep my damage. I'd rather just get kills and be rewarded for my efforts

[hexed steppe]

We sound like a couple vigilance haters here

[strong cave]

Vigi builds in pvp my beloved. They just don't hold up to the overwhelming meta that plagues dz/conflict. In PvE tho, unstoppable force is crowned the winner for me

My hatred with it is that the NPCs can be unforgiving.. rikers, I'm looking at you....

[violet juniper]

You... Don't need to cover hide?

[strong cave]

What I mean is you don't have cover, a shield, or a wall to hug from enemies. You're blind in the open. Even if you are in cover, say somebody comes and flanks you. Or you get overwhelmed by numerous enemies. That's what I'm getting at

While you might be fighting X person, there's a hidden Y sniper in the back and boom you lost 25% damage and need to duck in cover. Ah wait, there isn't any where you are. Goodbye 25% damage, and armor. You finally make it to cover, and then yeah ANOTHER person flanks you. Your kit is popped, you go to shoot Z flank, and then Y sniper shoots you again. Damage yet again gone. Those sorta situations I mean. Or an influx of ads spawning in and one of them happens to shoot you when you need that damage

Black Tusk/Hyenas/Rikers are for sure known to do this kinda thing 💀

[violet juniper]

yeah I'm NGL just kill them

I run vigi in most of my builds and I can keep vigi active about 99% of the time, in legendary and up

it's not hard.

[strong cave]

Would love to see clips of this in action, a full run without losing Vigi for more than 99% of that run

From start to finish

[cerulean smelt]

right?! considering they fixed the shield peaking mechanic players like to use for those moments

[subtle bluff]

You still kind do not where as well or easily.

[cerulean smelt]

tried voice to text this message?

[subtle bluff]

I… tired.. English is goodbye.

[violet juniper]

I'm lost on what would be best brand for the chest piece

[subtle bluff]

You still can do it kind of. But no where as well or easily.

[violet juniper]

Probably just gonna bite the bullet and use Ceska lmao

[cerulean smelt]

looks like a messy build of trying to put everything in one

[violet juniper]

Ignoring the chest talent, I'm changing it

I'm going for the gunswap build

[cerulean smelt]

gunslinger on chest?

[violet juniper]

yup

there we go

I'm using this as an opportunity to try stuff I don't normally do

[cerulean smelt]

you'll have to let us know how it works out. i've been tempted with the use of smart cover honestly

[violet juniper]

Gonna run a heroic now

ok, it definitely needs a certain type of SMG

managing cooldowns is pretty easy, just swap when gunslinger runs out

Versatile has no downside to switching, whereas gunslinger does

[cerulean smelt]

re-read versatile
you get boosted if you're swapping to particular weapons

[violet juniper]

I know

I'm saying that you can swap as many times as you want with versatile because it simply refreshes, whereas gunslinger will turn off

[cerulean smelt]

i don't recall what it is, but i'm thinking it's like going from ar to like shotgun or something isn't it?

[cerulean smelt]

i know, that's why i'm thinking smart cover with it would be pretty awesome XD

[violet juniper]

as long as it's a different type of weapon

you can't have two SMG's for example

[cerulean smelt]

oh it's ranged and weapon types
"Amplifies total weapon damage for 10s when swapping between your primary and secondary weapons if they are different.
35% (45%) to enemies within 15m for Shotguns and SMGs
35% (45%) to enemies further than 25m for Rifles and MMRs
10% (20%) to enemies between 15-25m for LMGs and Assault Rifles.
At most once per 5s per weapon type. "

[violet juniper]

works by far the best for SMG's and shotguns imo

don't have to think about range then

[cerulean smelt]

that auto reloading when swapping would be so fun

[violet juniper]

NGL gunslinger is too finicky to manage

Versatile and cent work perfect together, so I can just use obliterate to maintain a damage bonus across weapon swaps

[cerulean smelt]

versatile seems more finicky XD

[violet juniper]

I need less restriction on weapon swapping

[candid talon]

I want a one shot determined build with PHH chest

[solar sable]

#td2-build-advice message

[violet juniper]

use hotshot with an Airaldi backpack

[candid talon]

I have a MMR one, wanted a rifle one with 1886, that's all

[cerulean smelt]

what i use now for a pistol headhunter build that holster was hard to get a hold of though being a DZ exclusive

[candid talon]

Is that claws out?

[subtle bluff]

Why not DCH?

[violet juniper]

why TF are you using an all red claws out

[candid talon]

Probably stacking pistol damage with Imminence but still...

[violet juniper]

I didn't even know it gave pistol damage

[candid talon]

Yeah but you need it to come with HS damage

Because it generally comes with +1 skill which you need to turn into red, so with it being DZ exclusive, needs quite the farming

[cerulean smelt]

nods got lucky with dz south being wyvern target loot one day and dead dz so i was able to farm up iwth headshot on it so i can change the core

i never cared for claws out before since all i remember of it was the melee damage on it. someone mentioned pistol damage on it think i had one but it wasn't rolled well so i looked hey it does have pistol damage who knew?

[candid talon]

Yeah... I farmed one for my regulus one shot build

[austere tree]

You can get Claws Out's blueprint from Descent

[solar berry]

^ Same with other DZ/conflict named exclusives

[hexed steppe]

thats essentially what i gave you. using ninja leaves a 25% total weapon damage talent off the table. with the suggested changes youll be trading a few ninja dependent bonus' for some single source amps and a whole lot more damage.

[ember citrus]

does anyone have a fun skill build they does a decent amount of dps?

[odd ginkgo]

Are you looking for a 3 yellow, 3 red build?

[cerulean smelt]

localdeck has one i tried and enjoyed

[odd ginkgo]

Is that the refactor plus high-end build in the pins?

[ember citrus]

where might one find that? in the pins?

[cerulean smelt]

not in the pins, would have to search of Localdeck. go into their profile and there's something like a link to builds there

#td2-build-advice message
just click on his name here

[ember citrus]

ahhh i found it thank you kind agent!

[cerulean smelt]

localdeck opened my eyes to memento. i used to hate the exotic

[ember citrus]

i did see there was a build that kinda countered the negative effects, is that the one you found?

[cerulean smelt]

negative effects in terms of?

[cosmic holly]

Ngl I’m tempted to use it on my pistol build

[cerulean smelt]

i'm loving the extra pistol damage honestly

[cosmic holly]

I’m trying to build one

I have punch drunk and dodge holster plus regulus

[frail tendon]

is striker still the go to "meta" build with the updates? I noticed on the spreadhseet it was out of date

[onyx sage]

it's not updated because nothing changed about it, and nothing needed to change, it's still relevant and still used in hard content

[hexed steppe]

-# Meta destroyer incoming

Let Mortar Supremacy Commence

[civic meteor]

Can you make a decent build with true patriot? I’m also curious to try Catalyst but I gotta grind for it and I feel like the devs are gonna nerf it into the ground

I have a pistol one shot build but I feel like a glass cannon trying to get that first headshot

[hexed steppe]

what are you trying to do with it? chances are there is something way better than tp to achieve whatever the goal is

[cerulean smelt]

what's that? (sarcasm off)

[hexed steppe]

Hollywood incoming

[civic meteor]

To do insane amounts of damage with survivability

[cerulean smelt]

oh? hmmm, do i go live in a classified mission or not? 🤔

[civic meteor]

I have like 700k armour it feels low

[hexed steppe]

just go ongoing directive with gunner class

[subtle bluff]

Lol it's not that good even.

[solar sable]

damn
no yellow sacrifice yet 😔

[hexed steppe]

nerfing damage in an attempt to boost armor just means you die slower. survivability through damage output is kinda the name of the game in pve.

od boosts your entire teams damage, a lot

[civic meteor]

Armour boost enemy damage?

[hexed steppe]

you wont need it in 4 hrs

[hexed steppe]

you give your team a direct amp through the ammo

[subtle bluff]

Nerf repair Chem.

[cerulean smelt]

i hope we get a modifer that lets us do team damage and you hit someone with that in game and get it recorded

[civic meteor]

So what should I work on just getting better at the game or improving my build or going to something better like an LMG build or some fast smg crit build

[subtle bluff]

You've wanted everything... What do you want.

[crisp zodiac]

how do i build for the pestilence i really like it debuff and how it functions

[cerulean smelt]

just know strikers doesn't increase the tick damage on it
so look through talents and see what catches your interest and put it in your build
so far i know petrov and Lengmo has LMG damage in it as a brandset, 1 petrov is needed for lmg damage at least and think 3 lengmo?

[austere tree]

3 red core Lengmo and one Contractor's Gloves, Obliterate Chest and Vigilance Backpack (or Memento for solo)

[crisp zodiac]

i found a build video thats uses lengmo with coyotes mask but iam worried it wont hold up late game

[austere tree]

Coyotes boosts crits. It doesn't really benefit Pestilence as it prefers pure weapon damage (but not with Striker's or OD; somehow these don't work)

[crisp zodiac]

should i do a different build then i have a chameleon

[cerulean smelt]

one build i've tried and liked was 4 virtuoso with centurions holster. but i couldn't keep up on the weapon swapping for it so i used a different approach

[austere tree]

I think Pestilence works quite well on Heroic solo as most builds do. I run mine with 4 directives anyway and so far it hasn't failed me. Plus Pestilence got a huge buff in firing rate in recent season

Watching hiding enemies dying to the ticks can be fun

[cerulean smelt]

the hardest part of the build. backbone backpack ugh

[crisp zodiac]

exactly it made my first summit run easy

yeah the summit forced that item down my throat then i accidently deleted the perfect roll i was looking for

[cerulean smelt]

now though, i might be tempted to try it with smart cover 🤔 would be fun for the weapon swapping auto reload bit. empty pestilence, weapon swap x2 (goto secondary and back to pestielence) and fire until empty and hopefully i'll have 2 full ticks going clearing a room XD

[crisp zodiac]

i need to rerun summit but it took me 3 days to finish it and iam really not wanting to do it again

[cerulean smelt]

only reason i did summit recently was to reobtain a capacitor AR exotic that i accidentally destroyed 😭

[crisp zodiac]

i havent played in years the last time i played it was like 3 months into the warlords dlc so i have no clue whats good or how to do what

[cyan breach]

If i need to farm a czeska backpack, do I target the brand or the backpack?

[crisp zodiac]

iam gonna say brand cuz there are lot of back packs but only 5 of the brand

[cyan breach]

honestly as I was asking it sounded dumb, but here I am lol. Thanks!

[cerulean smelt]

6 brand pieces

[crisp zodiac]

look my name has a 5 in it because thats the highest i can count lol

[subtle bluff]

No the chest.

[cerulean smelt]

at least you asked, some people think "since i need this band in this specific piece" they might go that piece over brand not knowing they're target loot has a lot of pieces in that one piece

[crisp zodiac]

wait so if you chose a different targeted item and your teammate chose another brand do you both get separate loot or does it go with what ever the leader chose

[astral kraken]

just use a standard striker build with pestilence. it rips.

[crisp zodiac]

@cyan breach wanna run summit together?

[astral kraken]

then if you wanna switch to another gun you can w/o a new build

[crisp zodiac]

everyone said striker doesnt work with it though

[astral kraken]

who the f said that lol

[solar sable]

I have a template for a HE pesti build from MrChow but it's painful to get

[crisp zodiac]

iam sorry i don't know the abbreviations what's HE?

[solar sable]

High End

#td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

all the best builds are

[crisp zodiac]

can you send me the link please

[solar sable]

it's there lol

[cerulean smelt]

i agree, funny how people upsells strikers as the most damaging build out there.
i'm like uh yeah i fyou can get teh 100 or 200 stacks sure, but you're playing catch up to high ends damage wise

[astral kraken]

pesti striker rips

b/c pesti is just a good lmg on its own. the dot is just a bonus and a good one at that.

[hexed steppe]

yeah, striker is definitely hyped, but also delivers damage when you need it. i basically only use it when im gonna have chest and bag active like in legs. nego is personal dps preference for open world, non mortar type activities

[cerulean smelt]

yes, the striker stacks doesn't increase the pesti debuff damage

[hexed steppe]

they probably knock striker pesti because agents hyper focus on the tick damage way more than they should

[astral kraken]

tick damage doesnt matter

[hexed steppe]

i agree

[astral kraken]

if you're building pesti for tick damage you're doing it wrong

[crisp zodiac]

then whats the point of pestilence the whole things IS tick damage

[astral kraken]

look at the video. the tick damage still kills stuff. the reason pesti is good is b/c it's just a good lmg (high rpm, good damage)

and the ticks just help out

the only downside with pesti is the reload speed

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, people think "oh striker increases weapon damage, pesti debuff is on weapon damage, it'd be OP!" then try it and realize the tick damage doesn't increase because of striker stacks

[crisp zodiac]

i watched it the only thing that did the killing was the bullets not pestilence

[astral kraken]

34 seconds

[crisp zodiac]

at that point i might as well go for a striker build since it doesn't need a weapon to do damage iam looking for something to specifically work with pestilence

[astral kraken]

then again at 47 seconds

which btw was very helpful b/c i needed to push the chopper and that purple tank guy likes to hide

so i just pushed the chopper and ignored purple guy

[crisp zodiac]

maybe ill go for it after i get the legnmo build goin as i already have the majority of it i just need contract and coyote then its done

[civic meteor]

Is there any like automatic pistol or automatic gun that goes into the sidearm category

[cerulean smelt]

93r is probably your closest auto pistol of 3 shot burst

[civic meteor]

Sad

[cerulean smelt]

i forget the model but the named Purist looks like it could be a pistol model in SMG and it's full auto

[onyx sage]

Converted SMG-9 A2