td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

Cheaters ruined it bigtime. TTK needs a nerf for sure just a tiny bit. I also agree pvp has the best build variety

They go from being upside down back to being on their feet. It's crazy 😭😭

[violet juniper]

I personally love cleaners being able to take 50 bullets to the head without flinching

tf are those masks made of?? Vibranium?

[strong cave]

Hyenas don't give a damn, they will walk away shooting you. Cleaners don't fight back 😂

[violet juniper]

Those guys are just wolverine

[last gull]

@strong cave they can easily pull the trigger on the cheaters as they have all the playerbase stat's to know someone with 1K headshots per hour is not legit...

[astral kraken]

division pvp has the potential of being some of the best in gaming imo. the skill ceiling can be really high. i think what ruins it is obviously cheaters but also the barrier to entry. it's hard for non dedicated pvpers to keep up with the meta... not to mention farming for the gear and then dealing with grading/expertise.

but you've got it all. aiming, tactics, strategy, positioning, mind games.

[strong cave]

^^ this bigtime. They dominated raid leaderboards for a while. Well, they're back up again 😂😂

[strong cave]

This is why I'm addicted

I play controller and next to 0 expertise. I'm at 2 huge disadvantages

[astral kraken]

think about how fun pro tounaments would be to watch if the balance was taken more seriously

would make cs:go look like kindergarten

@strong cave do you think a 1v2 would be possible assuming roughly equal skill and all meta builds?

1v2 victory due to a clutch play for example

i ask b/c that's what makes competitive pvp really good. when you can win a 1vX based on skill alone.

[strong cave]

I have done a 1v2 with Sys Corr before, and that's arguably the most underperforming gearset rn in the game for pvp. With a bighorn Regen builds, I've done 1v3's before. These guys weren't your typical newbies either, they were pretty decent. Its all about shot placement, timing, and positioning. It's harder to do now because of all the changes, but for sure a bighorn Regen build can do it

Strafing is the number 1 thing I recommend everyone gets down pat before attempting to do facefighting

Aim would be number 2. Build countering and strategy countering is 3

[astral kraken]

hah, i was running my only pvp build (bighorn, 2 gila, 2 golan, 1 belstone, ninja) and grouped up with a random in the dz. some guy in system corruption straight up deleted us both. it was cool.

i'm bad though. haven't done it enough to get timing down. eg when to shoot, when to chicken dance

[strong cave]

Was it my username? I'm a heavy sys corr user only in scenarios I can get away with it

[astral kraken]

one time i hard countered an umbra build and that felt so good. i lost the first fight then saw he was running umbra. so i tried to time my attacks around his talents and crushed the dude. that was super fun.

[astral kraken]

it's possible. although i think that player had ttv in their name or clan tag

[strong cave]

Yeah nah my clan tag is LSO ("lost souls only". Open to all players). Screenname is the same shown here in discord

[strong cave]

When taking an influx of damage by a bighorn user, that's your time to strafe. Harder to hit HS's on a moving target. Never give your head to them. Pick them at a distance. If you notice somebody being more dominant in a face fight, use a sticky to catch them off guard

[astral kraken]

emp sticky maybe?

[strong cave]

That's a perfect skill, yes. Flame sticky if you're accurate asf

They can't ADS without hazpro and they'll be staggered

[astral kraken]

nice ok

[indigo fjord]

Is a Yaahl build worth going for? I wanna explore the DZ but I prefer solo play and it seems there are only groups going around DZ

[strong cave]

Sadly, you'll find that in all DZ's as more group members = more damage. However, Yaahl isn't exactly a bad Brandset to get into. It's just niche. You'll get more up-frontdamage out of Yaahl. Vigi + Spotter, Vigi + Glass, other talents to be considered as well. It's also worth considering the 3 piece bonus is 40% Pulse res. Specialists give 50%. Use a 10% mod to be pulse immune. It's good for the Anti-Pulse 1 shot Nemesis build people frequently run for groups. You can go the crit route as well. System Corruption as a gearset will offer the same thing natively, but your damage comes from the talent of Sys Corr itself. Sys Corr is also an Anti-Pulse set. I'd argue in solo play, Sys Corr has more usage over Yaahl. In group play, Yaahl will outperform Sys.

It's also worth noting that being pulse immune doesn't exactly equate to being "harder to find". You'll be found eventually, even without being pulsed. A good group or a good solo rogue(s) can make predictions as well as check the "Nearby" tab in the Social menu. Basically a big game of "Marco, Polo". They can also Inspect your build at any time

If you plan on exploring DZ as a solo just to check it out, and do landmarks at the same time, a mostly armor Strikers build + Memento will keep you from getting griefed. Once you get used to PVP fighting is when you can let go of strikers and explore other options. Hope this insight helps

[violet juniper]

The one time you have to fear catalyst users lmao

[strong cave]

Which is becoming common to counter flame. But without hazpro they're still taking damage. I'd argue take a booster hive or run hazpro to counter flame. Or have regen

[indigo fjord]

Ah thank you alot took notes from ur info that i can refer to so thank you. and yeah Im looking to go there just to grind some exos I dont have yet and to see what the whole thing is about ive barely been into the DZ since the first game and even then I either get killed by a rouge or make it out with little to no useful loot and ill look into System corruption

[strong cave]

Just make sure you don't use Sys Corr as a main. I brought it up as an example since Yaahl is an Anti-Spotter brandset. Sys Corr is Yaahl's Gearset sibling. Note that sys corr is the rarest and hardest to obtain PvP Gearset in the game. It can't be target farmed and you need to decon sys pieces to craft pieces. Just go with the Armor strikers build I mentioned and you should have a fairly easy time exploring dark zone at the least. Once you get used to fighting any possible rogues that will flag on your landmark when you have memento/striker stacks, then can you branch out into full pvp setups

If you're trying to get the Raid/Legendary exotics (regulus excluded), don't bother. The raids have a better chance at dropping them. DZ drop chance is .025% chance to drop EB/Ravenous/Bighorn. Legendary Summit has a 5% drop chance for bighorn and can easily be farmed on floors 80/90. The raids have a 10% chance per crate pull, and a 1% chance per boss kill during the first clear of the week after weekly raid reset. That's for Eagle Bearer/Ravenous. Regulus you have to craft and follow the Iron Horse projects

[astral kraken]

Plus with raids someone else will drop it for you so the chances are even higher.

Most good raid groups will only take a few noobies per run so the majority of the group will already have the exos and will drop them for you.

[strong cave]

^^ exactly this. GCRock discord is the best community for raids. Thousands of daily raiders looking to help people get their raid exotics

[indigo fjord]

Could one of you possibly DM me and invite to it?

Ive never done the raids since i had no one to go with and id be waiting for 10+ min for matchmaking just to get stomped

and ill look for some raid guides so I dont go in completely clueless

[strong cave]

Visit GCRock on YouTube. His discord is linked all over his videos.

Also, the only reason people farm DZ for these exotics is because they're solo players and don't know tools like this exist. Matchmaking doesn't drop raid exotics either. Plus, the pvp'ers will sometimes farm DZ with the hopes of getting a raid exotic to drop. I myself have gotten ravenous to drop as well as bighorn within 48hrs of each other. I've been farming for 2 years

This was just the other week this happened as well

[indigo fjord]

Congrats ive been wanting the bighorn for a while and struggle on legendary Summit

I can do heroic no issue its just the leap to legendary

[strong cave]

GC Rock also has raid guides up on his channel. Definitely give those a watch. Most raid groups will ask you bring a striker build with good CHC/CHD. Legendary isn't too hard, just run armor strikers and play cheeky angles. You'll clear it easy

Gaming Brigade on YT has many videos up on his channel that show easy ways to farm Summit floor bosses

I personally run a 3 blue 3 red striker setup with St Elmo's, shield, reviver hive, ceska oblit piece and nimble holster. You can use memento

[indigo fjord]

Ive got an all red build Strikers with momento and Pakhan LMG

which is mostly fully optimized

[strong cave]

At that rate you may as well run the striker bag and take st elmos

[strong cave]

It's not to say the setup is bad, it's perfectly acceptable. Legendary can be done with all reds. It's all about positioning and placement. For newbies I recommend a few blues so they have a chance

Yeah ditch pakhan and run Elmo's so you can take a shield. The shock ammo on legendary is viable. Good crowd control. I'd slap a blue core on the mask, gloves, and knees. Giving you 5 shield tiers (4 from blue, 1 from yellow). Also giving you decent armor, memento gives you good bonus armor as well. Weapon damage will also be perfect for the setup as well

[indigo fjord]

Anything on the Elmos or just DTOOC

[strong cave]

Alternatively, the setup I use has the striker backpack. Blue cores on the mask, gloves and knees. Nimble holster. Chest piece is fine. As for the Elmo, the most ideal attribute is DTOOC. Damage to Armor is acceptable as well, or CHD. Go with DTOOC or DTA. DTOOC first tho

Once you get used to playing with armor on leggo, you can adjust your cores to what you feel comfortable with. Do note that having armor strikers makes the build viable for PvE and PvP dz landmark farming. Has uses in both content. I'd say having a striker armor build + memento is a good backup to have for when you need to do some face tanking without losing too much damage

[indigo fjord]

Sweet thanks alot Ill give summit leg a go today while im watching the raid guides

[strong cave]

If you have a determined HH (headhunter) hotshot build, that is also viable for legendary. Majority can be killed with 1 shot, even the boss

Armor strikers + memento I'd say is your best bet tho until you get used to the positioning and how the enemies behave

[indigo fjord]

Yeah I have noticed they bum rush you alot and the armour strikers is my quickest option rn anyway

[strong cave]

They do, you're correct. Strikers is the best bet I'd say. You can also use Scorpio shotgun with the build, forgot to mention that. I'd stick with Elmo's tho

[indigo fjord]

I just put like 30 exo componants into getting DTOOC so I agree

Decent roll too

[strong cave]

They added strikers pieces to crafting so you could just craft the pieces and don't bother optimizing the CHD rolls 😂 it'll still perform decent. Chc being near 50-60 is all you need

[strong cave]

Felt that. I wasted nearly 40 exo comps for DTOOC on my bighorn from DZ that I got. Finally pulled it out of my mailbox

[indigo fjord]

Im on about 45% CHC

[strong cave]

CHD is on all striker pieces ye?

[indigo fjord]

ye

[strong cave]

That would make all your gear mods CHD?

If so, strip 1 CHD mod for a CHC mod

[indigo fjord]

All my gear mods are CHD with 2/4 Striker pieces have CHC

[strong cave]

Ah okay so I'm guessing it's one of your gear rolls not being max CHC and your watch level probably not being maxed for CHC

[indigo fjord]

Both max with a maxed watch

[strong cave]

Hmm... If that's the case strip off a CHD mod and go CHC

51-55 CHC / ~120 CHD is the sweet spot to be at for this build

[strong cave]

Perfect 👌 that'll do

If you ain't crittin', you ain't hittin'

[indigo fjord]

Preach brother!

[raw marlin]

This is beat build

[strong cave]

I see 3 things wrong with this build already

[raw marlin]

😎

[strong cave]

Ditch ninjabike, ditch Chainkiller, ditch those gloves. Take the OD chest for more amp damage. Take OD gloves. Take a ceska bag with Wicked/Vigi/Unstoppable Force. Then ditch the OD mask and take Coyote. Your team will thank you and so will your DPS

[raw marlin]

You're welcome

[strong cave]

Headhunter on a Crit preferred build is useless. Obliterate won't do enough damage so the 50% amp damage off the OD chest will boost numbers greatly

Additionally, swap Breadbasket on that Famas for Sadist

[indigo fjord]

NO WAY DUDE

first mf try

[strong cave]

Hell mf yes 🔥

Welcome to the leggo club

[indigo fjord]

Time to study the raids and get into a group now ig lmao

[strong cave]

Now repeat and do it all again for max gear/skill mods

[indigo fjord]

Tru

[strong cave]

Rip crafting bugs 😭😭😭

[raw marlin]

Ok I'm looking headhunters

[strong cave]

Yup! When you join up GCRock's discord server, they have an LFG Raid PC channel. Just post there and community members will @ you in chat if they can take you. Just make it known you're a raid newbie and willing to learn

[raw marlin]

Goodbye

[odd ginkgo]

Trying to put together a full red strikers obli SMG build using the pinned sheet link. What is the reason behind using the named shotty Lefty? Is it for raid purposes? EDIT: After looking at the bookmarked link again, I'm not sure where I got it from.

[midnight drum]

Can someone help me explain to me why I do not have the same survivability as the guys using bighorn

its like my regen doesn't kick in at all

[strong cave]

3 pc gila does more regen than golan. youll be at 100k+ with 3 pc gila

[midnight drum]

rlly?

[strong cave]

yes. gila gives 2%, murakami emp does 1%, and belstone does 1%. thats 4% total armor regen

[midnight drum]

back to being a slave and farming!

[strong cave]

also, i dont see any regen rolls on your backpack or chest piece, which can boost regen up to ~9k more armor

[strong cave]

yeah i was about to pull out a dps calculator and compare ceska to grupo and then sokolov to grupo and ceska

having more chc from ceska means you can take more chd. of course with it being an SMG type build, you should have plenty. even then, Taking ceska or Sokolov would wield more damage than Grupo, according to the build spreadsheet

[odd ginkgo]

It also is telling me to slot Lefty. Is Lefty part of the meta?

[strong cave]

Lefty is good for proccing sledge in raid settings, wielding more damage. its also used for getting fast stacks with striker

ACS 12 is probably the best in slot for a backup weapon with striker when you need to bring your damage up in a quick setting

[odd ginkgo]

I've got an ACS 12 with DtTooC and Up Close & Personal, it needs optimization. Would that work?

I've never had a decent full red Strikers build. I've got a hybrid 3 red 3 blue Lady Death Umbra build that I usually use with my friends. Either that or an OD Vile Bluescreen/Iron Lung build.

[strong cave]

lefty would be best, but you can use killer or brazen for dps. or if you need survivability, preservation isnt a bad option

brazen would be best, killer second best. for survivability, preservation is good. Lefty of course would be best in slot

[odd ginkgo]

I'll need to farm some Lefties then. What attributes do I want on it?

[strong cave]

DTA/DTOOC

[odd ginkgo]

Thanks for the info!

[strong cave]

[arctic obsidian]

whats the capacitor build ?

whats ur most used pvp build for conflict/dz ?

[strong cave]

It's written into the message

[strong cave]

Currently rn I use a high end setup with crits + regulus

[arctic obsidian]

do you have a picture of the build? i find it hard to construct from messages. apoligies

[strong cave]

all pieces for umbra are rolled CHD. W&H is CHC/CHD. Picaro's is CHD. CHC mods on the backpack and the mask. that 4th skill tier is coming from Kard TDI. if you read the talent for Capacitor, each skill tier gives it even more weapon damage. super useful "hybrid" for pvp

if built properly, stats will look like this:

[arctic obsidian]

thats nice, would you say its the best pvp build rk ?

[strong cave]

for conflict, this is what i use. CHC on the kneepads for fox's. everything is crits. all mods are CHC

[arctic obsidian]

i dont pvp much so looking to get into it but keep getting 2 tapped

[strong cave]

umbra capacitor, umbra pestilence, or regen bighorn

if needed, throw on 1 more blue core to my build. bear in mind this isnt meant to do face fighting. its meant to pick people off from a distance or be the one to shoot first. i made crit regulus for "oh shit, my unbreakable is popped and the last few shots i can get off are from regulus with a shield". plus regulus crits for like 3m to the body anyways, same for the head. allows for any weapon with crits to be used. its similar to my "jack of all trades" build i use for dz

another build i commonly run for dz. for conflict strip off pulse and use remote pulse and use a regular gila mask. or, throw on a blue core and take coyote. this is my "jack of all trades" build

[arctic obsidian]

is the umbra capactitor the jack of all trade builds?

[strong cave]

no

additionally, strip off Gunner and go firewall for conflict. i only use gunner for dz for the extra 5% radius and effect duration mods from gunner, which do help the pulse skill

same thing here again, my fox's kneepads have chc for the bottom attribute. im too lazy to farm for ones with chd on them. roll placements dont matter as long as you have the proper crits in the proper places

[arctic obsidian]

okay awesome ill take a look and try put some together, hopefully itll make pvp more enjoyable

[strong cave]

@arctic obsidian this is the "jack of all trades" build that works for all pvp content. adjust the cores to what you prefer, as well as change the specialist if preferred (id actually recommend firewall. my reasoning for gunner is listed above)

[worn bough]

Looking for new builds. I have the typical stryker/coyote and 1 shot hot shot. And a Heartbreaker w/ Memento. Im looking for something a little different. I would like some type of status lime with fire or something? Idk im new so idk what is viable in heroic and up

[strong cave]

4 piece eclipse protocol, setup backpack with a skill tier, status effects, skill haste, BTSU gloves. stinger hive/foam. scorpio shotgun. its a great support Crowd Control build for groups

[kindred mango]

Hmm. I usually go Electrique w/ Opportunistic, and Vile. I’ve have to compare against The Setup

[strong cave]

taking setup backpack allows the team more DPS while boosting scorpio shotgun damage even further

Localdeck put me onto using the setup backpack. the Extra 5% off perfect opportunistic is decent. as well as overcharge from BTSU

[onyx sage]

perfect oppo is goated

[kindred mango]

Yeah I like it. I think I have a haste/status The Setup too

[onyx sage]

love their phones

[vague thunder]

can i know what named item is all the gear? trying to make same build and apart from fox prayer and chill out, idk what the rest is

[strong cave]

contractor's gloves

and that's not chill out mask. that is Nightwatcher mask for the scanner pulse haste

[kindred mango]

I currently have Jammer pulse and Foam chem equipped on my EP build. I lose 0.5s duration on the pulse and 1s on the foam going from Electrique bag to The Setup

I feel the extra 5% Opportunistic is worth

[autumn yacht]

ew

[raw marlin]

Hey fiftysdeath

You see that

Right or no

[strong cave]

wdym ew 💀 borderline half of this build is recommended in the spreadsheet for pvp setups

[strong cave]

still no. you dont need headhunter

[raw marlin]

bro

dont know where

headhunter build

[autumn yacht]

change your mask and eb

[strong cave]

if you want a headhunter build, take 4 piece hunters fury with headshot damage. or, go with 4 piece hotshot with headshot damage, a determined MMR, and an airaldi bag with vigi

[strong cave]

alright, change the mask to what? and the EB to what?

[autumn yacht]

the build loses to umbra and bh but idk maybe that build is better in conflict

[autumn yacht]

lexington/nem and coyote

[raw marlin]

loo

look

this

[strong cave]

yeah i can get behind that, but thats situational tbh. this build can hold its own in dz, i have plenty of experience with it. the point of this build is to keep that decoy up and running and consistently pulse. ive dropped umbra builds easily with it, just gotta know when and when not to peek. works good for conflict too

[raw marlin]

ok

think you

[strong cave]

i think youre talking to yourself at this point

[hazy steeple]

iKia is solid, you can trust their builds to work.

He's one of the maybe 2-3 youtubers that I'd say is trustworthy.

[strong cave]

Dod Regnbue, iKiA and DJ Tickle are the top 3 number crunchers

[raw marlin]

ok ok find

goodbye

see yaa

[autumn yacht]

goodbye

[strong cave]

you confuse me. its the second time youve done this 🤦‍♀️ but have a good one

[hazy steeple]

djtickle, first time I've heard someone say that name and not add a swear word to it.

[strong cave]

dj tickle is an excellent source of info imo. he takes the time to showcase calculations and applies situations and scenarios to controversial gear, especially the catalyst. he showed the struggle to get the stacks and the struggle to even maintain them. was constantly dying as well bc of it. Tuxedo Bandito, same thing. He's a good source of info as well. just dont go to KVD 😂

[strong cave]

youre right on the bighorn build btw, this build that i posted easily gets trumped by it. then again, its a bighorn regen build. arguably the most overpowered build in the game for pvp rn. even umbra can be destroyed bighorn if you strafe enough

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say not to goto runningbutcher as well

[strong cave]

oh you mean the guy that promotes his boosting services 😂

[cerulean smelt]

does he reallly?

[autumn yacht]

the main benefit to the build you sent in my opinion is it can run nem and shotguns with an ar (idk about not running coyote you lose a ton of damage)

even the firewall secondary shotgun will surprise you with the damage

[strong cave]

thats what i love about it too. if i need a simpler time, i just throw lex on. i chose EB because this build can easily get a headshot proc on an unsuspecting players. once you have EB proc'd, ooo let the fun begin

the amount of squads ive dropped with the build is 😩

ill give nemesis a shot with it. ive been waiting to use nem until i get my dream yaahl build

[kindred mango]

What’s your dream Yaahl build? I am a fan of that brand set

[strong cave]

lemme find it in my templates hold up

[strong cave]

Dream Yaahl Setup. Getting that backpack will be a nightmare

thinking about swapping from fenris to grupo

[kindred mango]

Nice ty. Yeah that’s a tough one lol

[strong cave]

or W&H

[astral kraken]

the mask lol. imagining being killed by that in the dz.

[strong cave]

my first ever hunter getup. its just way too iconic to me. thats my permanent outfit bc thats my first ever character and my pvp character

[kindred mango]

Just thinking. Could easily swap that Yaahl bag for Fenris or Ceska which makes it much easier to put together

Then put the Yaahl on a different slot

[hoary valve]

i’m looking for recalibration station or did they remove that?

sorry i’m a returning player

[onyx sage]

it's in tinkering

[strong cave]

thats for sure true. i could easily craft yaahl pieces

[hoary valve]

oh

[kindred mango]

I can put it together right now except don’t have the pulse resist mod yet on PC heh

[slate wedge]

dream yaahl sniper build with determined white death or the other heavy hitting HE sniper is crazy in conflict

[storm walrus]

Hi, Just hit 40 and want to try OD build, i got coyote mask, bluescreen/ pestilence and few pieces of OD, should i try to get vile mask ? get more dmg ? any advice are welcome, just reach the end game and i am a bit lost on what to farm

[onyx sage]

vile is used for eclipse fire build and some pvp builds, not really used on OD.

bluescreen works on OD

[storm walrus]

ok, i can aim for a coyote +4 P OD chest , gloves, holster knees ?and bluescreen ?

[onyx sage]

yes

[slate wedge]

bluescreen OD with contractors and a wicked BP is what i used

[storm walrus]

backpack dps like grupo with wicked ?

[onyx sage]

ceska wicked

[slate wedge]

but only in CD

secondary weapon i had a carnage

to get the contractor 10% wd with perfect sadist

[storm walrus]

ok, thank you both for all the answers and advice, community is really nice. in summit ppl gave me stuff etc...The game is even more fun with nice ppl 🙂

[slate wedge]

fr, i always try to be really nice to new players because i know i loved the community when i started and the game needs those new players

[onyx sage]

I'm just an average player

[hoary valve]

can someone explain the shapes i see above the enemies head

[cerulean smelt]

this seasons modifiers
red gives you firearms, blue stamina and yellow electronics based off of Division 1

[tranquil delta]

Hey guys, for the hazpro build if we wanna run the blue core setup does it have to be blue cores? You can't roll armor on the other ones huh?

Does it have to be a core? Persay

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't the guide you're following tell you what you can do?

[cerulean smelt]

keep coming here and seeing MSMC Marti is typing. expecting a wall of text at some point 🤔

[robust marsh]

yes

there any good balance builds for the Pestilence LMG and Memento bag? I currently feel like I have one that's good for challenging and some the one above but my build is horrible for dealing with hunters, and Legendary missions.

Like the damage is kinda there, but I don't get enough off before I'm forced back into cover without even a single kill in legendary missions.

I run Gunner

• Core: 4 DMG, 3 SHIELD, 1 SKILL
  Attributes: 4 dmg, 1 skill

• 2 Heartbreaker: 15% dmg for LMGs and ARs
  mask: 170,000 armor(+3% arm), 12% Crit hit Dmg, 19.7% Incoming Repairs
  Kneepads:139,319 armor(+3% arm), 12% Crit hit Dmg

• 3 Negotiator: 15% crit hot chance, 20% crit hit damage

Plate carrier: 15% weapon dmg(+3% arm), 4.7% crit hit chance
Gloves: 12.3% wpn dmg, (+3% arm), 12% Crit hit Dmg
Holster:11.8% Wpn dmg(+3 arm), 10% status effect

Memento bag: maxed arm, wpn, and skill(+3arm), +15.4 repair skill

Pestilence: 15% LMG DMG, 10% dmg out of cover, 10.5% Mag size(current damage is 103.9k)

Burn out, and Custom TDI Kard

I run the fixer drone, and crusaders shield, and I don't intend on switching them out for anything else

that and it just took long bc I went in game to check the stats n stuff

[cerulean smelt]

gearset pieces basically nerf yourself since you can only have a core and 1 attribute on them, but in this case you're just trying to utilize the 2 and 3 pieces for both which doesn't give you much damage or survivability in general

[robust marsh]

so should I just forfeit gearset and replace em with legendarys?

[hasty sluice]

This a good chest worth keeping? ( for pvp setups)

[slate wedge]

i would just go brand set pieces like contractors, 3 pieces lengmo (or was it 2 pieces?) and 2 pieces walker

[slate wedge]

combination on it is not really that good but i’ll keep it anyways, got enough space

[hasty sluice]

I thought armor regen is used?

[tranquil delta]

I'm not using a guide 😦

[robust marsh]

alr, what skills should I prioritize? what I pretty much already got?

[slate wedge]

yeah but usually on a headshot tank build and you dont use ceska there

[slate wedge]

probably depending on the gamemode a reviver hive and something like a decoy as you wanna go full red

[strong cave]

stop the 🧢

[onyx sage]

i would never lie on the internet

[cerulean smelt]

FYI: there's a pin section in this channel that has both a spreadsheet with viable builds and a website where you can input your builds and share that link here, although you can't put in things like exactly how much armor/weapon damage you got on your cores and the attributes. they're all maxed out on the site

[hasty sluice]

aw thought it might be good due to it rolling with unbreak + the regen.

[slate wedge]

i mean it could be but i can’t think of a build rn

but defo keep it

[hasty sluice]

@strong cave #td2-build-advice message Useful?

[strong cave]

decon it

[verbal gust]

I craft all my yaahl pieces too I’m buying hallow man mask rn from countdown to max out my resources 🤣

[finite jay]

why does adding a skill haste mod make the timer go up

it does that will all the mods, i add +1 ammo mod it says -1 ammo, i add a radius one and it makes it smaller, is it a visual bug or ami just miss reading this?

[hasty sluice]

So it tells you about it when you hover over it. Ie when you go to put it on it says +ammo when its on and you hover over it it shows -ammo as if you are going to take it off.

[strong cave]

bug

[finite jay]

yeah that's what i figured, doesn't make sense when i add a mod that has a positive effect and adding it does the opposite

[slate wedge]

guys what would you say was your most difficult to farm build or which build took you the longest?

[solar sable]

without the blueprint, double skill rolled The Setup for Skill Tier or double crit Matador I'd say took longest

[vestal ibex]

idk that setup is easy to farm imo

[astral kraken]

red crit 6pc 5.11 with obliterate or glass cannon and vigilance. i'm still working on it after years.

all i have left is the chest

[slate wedge]

still don’t have both lol

[slate wedge]

holy, yeah i think this wins lol

for me it was this pvp build

chest and grupo pieces took so long

[solar sable]

yellow Sacrifice is also painful to get
damn you localmortar

[onyx sage]

oh no, he's here

[slate wedge]

or this new one i farmed (for some reason the IA pieces took forever)

[vestal ibex]

Am I the only one that finds farming non DZ named items with strange rolls easy?

[slate wedge]

oh yeah i don’t have that one aswell, but i have a wyvern chest with sd,sh and glass cannon so that will do

[slate wedge]

i mean in CD you get 8 named items per run so with targeted loot it is pretty doable especially because the talent is always the same

[vestal ibex]

That's how I feel about it.

[hexed steppe]

When it comes to gearset it's either 4 gearset or no gearset. I also wouldn't use pesti on either. I think there may have been a highend suggestion for that tho...

Heartbreaker *and nego can be very strong sets, but not in the same build.
I would say 4hb ceska memento should be good on heroic... personally I use striker setup with striker chest/bag on legendary.
Hopfully I'm not to late to the party.

[soft sinew]

Whats a good loadout with backfire? I got 4x striker gear, catharsis mask and armor with obliterate.

[solar sable]

Hunter's Fury, trash those hazpro builds tbh

[solar sable]

"I'm not paying you for that"

[soft sinew]

I don’t got no hazard protection xd going all damage

[slate wedge]

i heard with the resistance feature the bleed is negligible anyways

[soft sinew]

What mask is better? Catharsis or coyote for it?

[vestal ibex]

For damage coyotes

[soft sinew]

My armor sucks somehow the hunters one shot me down 😭

[hexed steppe]

That test yesterday was workable but boring af compared to mortar

[vestal ibex]

Well that's typical when going full damage. Tbh most hunters can be killed via foam and unloading a brazen acs into their face assuming countdown hunters.

[soft sinew]

Yes true

Emp is annoying chances of getting knocked in beginning are highest.

[vestal ibex]

I just throw some foam nades if that happens. Also you can typically los and foam them before they EMP

[astral kraken]

even if you dont have foam nades throw what you have. nades interrupt whatever they're doing and make them move.

[soft sinew]

Someone send me ss of backfire build with hunters fury so I know what stats I m gonna put

Rn my dmg is 114k, crit chance is 60% and crit hit dmg is 147%

[solar sable]

I can only imagine playing with mortar once this effin Sacrifice drops :)...

[hexed steppe]

Run a regular glass and get your practice in... it only gets better when the unicorn drops. Still good without tho

[slate wedge]

most fun is with big shield and armor cores anyway, not oneshotting everybody but you can really tank and just stand between enemies without dying

[light grove]

Hey, I never got a chance to try the aggro gain on IA. How often are you getting shot at with it on?

[slate wedge]

idk, but i was talking about mortar there

the build i use IA on is a sole PvP build so i never really got to try the aggro gain

[solar sable]

I don't like getting overwhelmed easily, I will always prefer a build that doesn't get me in those situations and kills fast

[fair dragon]

I'm glad that some people find staring contests fun but wasting time and not killing enemies is not my thing.

[slate wedge]

fair enough, i may just be used to pvp too much

[verbal gust]

Esp in countdown. Like theirs a hunter can you shoot it? lol

[fair dragon]

Yes.

I have a gun.

[cosmic holly]

What’s better for a dps build

Coyotes mask?

OR

Momento

[odd ginkgo]

Yes

Both have their place.

[cosmic holly]

I’ve noticed with coyotes mask I get close to 700k and up in dps

[odd ginkgo]

Coyote's is better for damage I think.

I'm also going to nitpick and say: It isn't Momento, it's Memento.

[cosmic holly]

Meme lol

With momento I only hit 500k to 600k

In terms of dps anyway

[subtle bluff]

For DPS coyotes will do more.

Saying bullet dmg is not the same has DPS.

[cosmic holly]

With coyotes I’m dealing 10mil dps

That’s using elmo

[subtle bluff]

Is that from the range number are you actually mathing it out?

[cosmic holly]

Range

[subtle bluff]

That number isn’t correct

[cosmic holly]

Say about 50 yards or so

[subtle bluff]

The range is bug and isn’t prefect with its DPS number also because of DTA/DTH numbers.

[violet juniper]

Different strengths. Coyote is better in pure damage, while Memento is the superior all rounder

[barren tartan]

Well.
I have 4 Striker set things
Ceska vest
St elmos
Coyote mask
Should i add anything else?

[strong cave]

I'd say that's basically optimal

[cosmic holly]

awww

[cosmic holly]

That’s what I run

[barren tartan]

Which spec do you use?

[cosmic holly]

Gunner for the ammo and banshee

[barren tartan]

I use sniper but i'm on my way for gunner

[subtle bluff]

There’s something you can use in the pinned messages for DPS

[subtle bluff]

What’s your CHC and your DTTooC?

[barren tartan]

My what

[cosmic holly]

Crit chance and dmg to targets out of cover

[barren tartan]

Crit chance is 52%

[cosmic holly]

Not bad

Mine sits at 56-58

[barren tartan]

Cant find info about that second thing

[subtle bluff]

With Coyote and SHD +800 it should sit at 54% and the rest into CHD

[barren tartan]

I have SHD 69 hehe

[subtle bluff]

Your 3rd stats on your gun more or less

[cosmic holly]

Nice

[barren tartan]

Nope

I use Polish so maybe its named different

[subtle bluff]

There you’re missing that

[odd ginkgo]

Damage to targets out of cover might read "Uszkodzenia celów poza osłoną" in Polish.

[cosmic holly]

is there a way to change game dialogue

[verbal gust]

In settings their should be a language option yes

[cosmic holly]

Doesn’t let me change it to

[hoary valve]

i know it’s a trash build

[subtle bluff]

More confused

[hoary valve]

same

idk what put so i searched it up on youtube found that build

[subtle bluff]

Answer here is don’t use YouTube for builds. 95% of them are crap.

[hoary valve]

okay where do i look up builds?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages

[odd ginkgo]

I doubt that the numbers are that high. Plenty of content creators show the same builds in the pinned messages.

Check the spreadsheet in this post.
#td2-build-advice message

Glancing at those, they seem to be fine.

[subtle bluff]

Of all of the builds out there? People say I’m being nice with 5%

lol saw kingbreaker and left.

[urban latch]

Dont look up build on trash sites like that

those services are a complete scam

[violet juniper]

They advertise for Lexington farming, btw.

I'm still not entirely convinced they're not hackers who are quite bad at pantomime

[verbal gust]

Really 🤣

[short thicket]

What's a good gear set to seek out for a returning player? I haven't played in awhile and recently re-downloaded the game. I typically ran a Foundry Bullswark set for awhile. Any suggestions?

[astral kraken]

check pinned messages. plenty of builds to pick from.

avoid foundry though. not useful for much.

[short thicket]

Foundry was my primary set for awhile. Always liked the run-n-gun style. If the shield can withstand it, of course.

[odd ginkgo]

Foundry is a tank set. All it does is help you stay alive. If you like to run n gun, you should check out Hunter's Fury and Umbra Initiative builds.

[astral kraken]

it's more of a just run

[austere tree]

Just run Striker's and do whatever the f you want while gunning

[astral kraken]

run n gun usually implies close range which striker is not good at

hunter's fury is perfect for that play style tho

[spice junco]

if my build focuses more on staying alive what would be the things to run with it?

[austere tree]

It's not like there's damage dropoff at close range. If your Striker's can delete things at 30m, it's gonna perform the same at 5m

HF won't help you against the quadcopters in Pentagon or Roosevelt or when the game decides to pull a funsie and spawn a minigun heavy at some unreachable spot

[astral kraken]

at close range you need cc or you will die. striker builds are midrange builds where you shoot from cover.

striker also requires stack building which is not something you wanna worry about at close range

in certain easier missions where it's linear with lots of cover you can do it

but esp in missions like the dlc where there's just a lot of enemies, at 4 player scaling, you're dying at close range w/ striker

[austere tree]

TBH I've never seen anyone running HF in Terminal (did like less than 2 dozen runs, all calling 3 shepherds) so I wouldn't know how it actually performs in the situation you described

But I assume by "you're dying at close range w/ striker" you meant they are running full-red? Because 4-man or not, put 4 cores on a Memento Striker's and you're basically immortal on Heroic; hell you can be immortal on Legendary if you switch to some PFE mods

Striker's has become the most braindead boring meta build for a reason; it's not just some "mid range" set; it's more like a one-button-kills-all kinda thing

HF was a very powerful set back before HB came out and Striker's getting its meta-breaking buff, but in a live service game, powercreeping comes for everyone

It's good enough that HF is at least still viable

[subtle bluff]

I did HH HF thru all of DLC but of last part of Army and Rat

[solar sable]

HHF with Regulus is beautiful

[subtle bluff]

Idk if you can call Striker braindead. When people can't solo leggo with it.

I should say that's how we solo leggo and a lot of people can't do it.

[austere tree]

I did the DLC on three chars w/ Striker's: full-red memento, four-blue memento, and a weird-ass ninjaback full hazpro backfire build

[solar sable]

I will say that getting regulus changed my whole main build

[austere tree]

I'm only using regulus like a liberty because I simply can't aim

Seems to be performing good enough with 5 directives on though

[astral kraken]

I think you need to do some actual hard content to correct your point of view. PFE striker is hardly immortal in legendary. Legendary has a lot of red and purple enemies (and minitanks and warhounds) that will ruin your day. In order to get a high PFE (anything below 50% is mostly pointless) you will be giving up a lot of damage. Enough that you simply won't win DPS trades with enemies in legendary.

[astral kraken]

Calling Striker "braindead" is silly because Striker is simply a weapon DPS set. If Striker didn't exist then we'd use another weapon DPS set; even a high-end (which used to be meta). The skill ceiling for playing DPS is very high but you need to push for faster completion times.

Obviously you can sit in the very back of an encounter, where NPCs won't go due to limited AI, and open your shield and shoot. But that has nothing to do with Striker and more of a play style thing. It's no different than throwing in a turret, launching a drone, and "letting the skills do the work".

[finite jay]

is there a weapon talent or armor talent that gives me overcharge by just hitting them?

[soft sinew]

Whats your build for it?

[austere tree]

4 blues, Memento, St. Elmos, one non-branded piece for 4 PFE mods

my aiming is quite bad; i don't think i can pull off a full-red speedrunner build on Legendary

[hexed steppe]

@austere tree , please dont self promo your own youtube acct

[subtle bluff]

It's dumb I know

[austere tree]

you could at least tell me to edit my message

well i'm not gonna type all of that again so it is what it is ig

[subtle bluff]

Ya I would of reposted for you too

Murr

[hexed steppe]

its not a big deal tbh. consistency calls for it.

51:19 definitely isn't pleasant even for a first time (soloing) because yes I don't try actual hard content nowadays, but only legendary in Summit where 4 blue cores are enough, facing way less enemies (I do remember soloing DUA and Capital Hills being way easier though)

So I do wonder if a HF build can achieve better result? Or is there other build that fares better on solo legendary?

[austere tree]

Sigh I also said I was wrong (about legendary being easy and Striker's being braindead) - not trying to further any argument or sound sarcastic; just genuinely want to learn something new

[astral kraken]

If you want to go hard into Striker PFE you can do something like this.

This is about as close as you can get to having enough PFE for it to make a difference while also doing enough damage that you can actually help your teammates somewhat. 500k crit at 1950 RPM is definitely way better than blue foundry pistol builds.

And with seasonal modifiers it gets stronger if you use Assault Link which will give you back a couple red cores and put you above the CHC cap. But don't get your hopes up as it's not an insane buff. Just like +100k crits or something like that.

But to be perfectly honest this is only good for short encounters with a few tanky elite enemies. Think rogue encounters. But in legendary content you're just going to run out of resources eventually.

In my experience, any legendary PFE build must have a source of armor regen. Even Adrenaline Rush (my preference) works kind of like armor regen because it's constantly feeding you bonus armor. It's the only way to survive in a sustained fight.

The other thing that's missing is something that, IMO, is a must have for every PFE build in legendary. Sweet Dreams. Because no matter your PFE a purple dude in a bush will delete you very fast. And purple minitank... forget about it. At least with Sweet Dreams you can run around the field one-shot-slapping purples until it's just elites left over. Once it's just elites you can run around blowing up drone backpacks, destroying med boxes, and killing medics... which your DPS teammate's life easier.

I'm straying a bit off topic, and this is totally personal opinion, but I would take a good tank over a bad DPS teammate any day. The problem is most tanks stand around with their pistols shooting chungas while their teammates are getting drone spammed, nade spammed, and struggle to kill enemies b/c med boxes are deployed. Oh and medics are reviving enemies. But as a tank if you make it your #1 mission to deal with those threats then you're more of an asset to the team than a bad DPS who keeps dying.

[hushed gorge]

Such a small paragraph

[astral kraken]

I'M TRYING TO BE HELPFUL

[hushed gorge]

Good luck locking your 200 striker stacks

[astral kraken]

That's easy to do with an ACS. And oreo can maintain it.

[hushed gorge]

[shy willow]

200 stacks is exceedingly difficult to maintain outside legendary and incursions, maybe countdown too

[hasty sluice]

zero damage roll acs

[onyx sage]

don't worry, if you're genuine in trying to learn this stuff, luckily some of us here play legendary content a lot and are happy when people want to jump in and learn the ropes.

i'm one of those. if you have general or targeted questions towards any of it i'm willing to help. aim for one will just come naturally as you learn the AI's movements over time. it's just a learned thing, raw aim doesn't matter that much

[austere tree]

I prefer 200 stacks myself just to work through bosses or a group of clustered enemies faster

the demand for armor regen is why I even run a momento build in groups; in the situation where I'd need to tank on legendary it's usually quite easy to steal kills; if I feel like the randos are doing quite well I'll just switch off memento

then again 90% of the time i just play in solo

[onyx sage]

i've run striker chest a lot back in the day, there's a lot of videos of me running striker chest in all the legendaries and i still recommend it for consistency

[gray radish]

Is coyote mask better or catalyst better? In DMG

[onyx sage]

coyote

[austere tree]

i'd say coyote? you actually don't want to get hit so often, but that'd work against catalyst's talent

man now i want nasi lemak for dinner

[short crest]

@astral kraken I only been playing for 2 weeks and even I know striker chest is boo boo

[lavish tapir]

i am still new to this game , but why is the chest pc bad ? isnt getting more damage by having the stacks increased by extra 100 ?

[short crest]

You're not gonna be at full stacks 100% of the time it's a waste. The backpack is better and a grupo or ceska chest

[lavish tapir]

what are those armor do ?

[short crest]

"But mah acs" yeah you're losing stacks when you swap

Ceska crit chance and grupo crit damage

[lavish tapir]

you lose the stacks when you swap weapons ?

[short crest]

You lose stacks when you're not landing shots

[lavish tapir]

is there a cooldown on how fast you can get stacks ? sometime i feel like i am not getting stacks even when i am landing shots

[short crest]

Not that im aware of

[lavish tapir]

also for this wouldnt the coyote mask be better for that ?

[short crest]

Yeah you typically use coyote with ceska or grupo chest

[lavish tapir]

are those named armor or is it normal legendary with a perk ?

[short crest]

I mean coyote is used in general

Normal legendary with perk

[lavish tapir]

would you give me a pictures of them ?

[short crest]

My grupo chest gives me 35% chd and obliterate

Give me like an hour

[astral kraken]

look at what @onyx sage said

[lavish tapir]

yeah take your time , thanks in advance

[astral kraken]

the reason people tell you not to run striker chest at first is because you're doing content that doesn't need it

there are absolutely cases where striker chest is good

[short crest]

I don't see people running striker chest in legendary

[onyx sage]

you're not in the right lobbies then

[short crest]

Lol

[astral kraken]

it's very common, especially on blue builds. it's also very common in solo runs.

[onyx sage]

seriously just go watch any legendary speedrun video

[hazy steeple]

Striker Chest is just for high HP enemies,I feel like it's a border if they're gonna be tanky enough to warrant it.

[astral kraken]

that's too specific. striker chest is for when you have a lot of dps uptime. that includes high HP enemies but isn't the only place where that happens.

[short crest]

Lol

[onyx sage]

or incursion speeds

[lavish tapir]

a quastion , how do you keep your self healthy with striker build ?

[hazy steeple]

So it's too specific that it's for any high HP enemies, but it's not too specific with all those extra clarifications? That tracks.

[onyx sage]

use cover, use cover to cover animation, good positioning

[fresh grove]

Doesn’t make any sense

[short crest]

Low dps builds can get 200 strikers in every engagement

[onyx sage]

also bro, you've only been playing for 2 weeks

[lavish tapir]

feel like i get beamed so fast trying to shot more than 5 shot at an enemy

[onyx sage]

you're not gonna see superstars in your lobbies

[short crest]

And I know strikers chest is booboo lmfao

[hazy steeple]

It's not though.

[astral kraken]

No what I mean is that the conditions are broader than just high HP enemies. If you have a lot of medium-hp enemies that you're constantly shooting then it also works great.

So the condition is: you have a lot of DPS uptime.

That includes: high HP enemies, lots and lots of enemies, and speed runs where you're moving fast and always shooting.

[hazy steeple]

Well yeah, I thought that was implied by the whole "high hp enemy thing", but I'll make sure I qualify it next time.

[lavish tapir]

what is the most satisfying skill build in your onion ?

[hazy steeple]

Shallots are versatile.

[astral kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz_F99WTyAM

[lavish tapir]

i want to use the roller cluster more often but i faild to make them good

[onyx sage]

only really good on hard wired builds

[hazy steeple]

Red Onions are useful in a salad, but I'd not recommend taking them in a skill-build.

[lavish tapir]

is that the name of the armor set ?

[onyx sage]

but even then, they're not meta or anything

[hazy steeple]

It is not.

[onyx sage]

no, they're making a pun on your typo, i.e. you meant "opinion" when you typed "onion"

[hazy steeple]

Ah cmon, I was just about to pull out the Ogre jokes.

[lavish tapir]

lmao i see it , my english still need training

[onyx sage]

i just think they might never get it cuz i sensed some language barrier

[lavish tapir]

sometimes i eat letters while typing stuff

dont notice them until after

[hazy steeple]

I think your spell-correct noticed the lack of the letter P and auto-fixed it by removing the extra i

[lavish tapir]

happens way to often , but i appreciate when people correct me

[onyx sage]

i only make fun of americans

[hazy steeple]

That is fair and right.

@lavish tapir I promise no more onion puns.
But I do have shallots.

[lavish tapir]

oh please more puns i like em

i dont mind being the joke at all

[hazy steeple]

Nah you're all good, they're only made out of fun.

[lavish tapir]

yeah that is why i like em

anyway , how would you make the cluster roller viable in heroic + ?

[astral kraken]

when will this punishment stop!

[hazy steeple]

Some day, the Scallions will tip and I'll run out.

[lavish tapir]

it would be a dark day

[subtle bluff]

‎

[lavish tapir]

morning to you too

[astral kraken]

@short crest 60 sec example of what striker chest can do even in solo. I've already built up stacks from the previous encounter. When I start the fight I'm already doing about the same damage as I do with obliterate. But there are a bunch of enemies and chungas after so I ramp up to full and do ~200k (1.1 mil vs 1.3 mil) more damage per crit.

So yea the idea is you don't need to maintain full stacks. As long as you're close to full you're doing the same damage. But then when lots of enemies or chungas or whatever comes out you burst much higher.

(and you are correct that isn't something you'd use everywhere - but it does have uses)

[subtle bluff]

What I always say with Strikers Chest is that it should only be used if you are able to build stacks and keep fighting long enough for it to be worth it.

[astral kraken]

Oh and (then I'm done I promise) it interacts with blue builds differently. If someone is running Striker with 3/4 blues then it takes them longer to ramp up. So like... they're gonna be shooting an elite enemy for longer obviously b/c they're doing low damage. But they have armor/shield strength to DPS trade with the NPC. One or two NPCs will bring them to full stacks and now they're bursting higher than they would otherwise.

Example with blue/pfe/striker/chameleon. Takes 40 seconds to ramp up and then I'm cooking. Ok I'm done sorry!

[inland warren]

Are ingame stats broken? According to Div 2 builder website 2.0 i have 41% CHC and 116% CHD but in game i have 66% CHC and 174% CHD

[loud narwhal]

Does bleed resistance work with backfire?

[austere tree]

yes, you should be immune at above 90%-92% res

[loud narwhal]

How do I get more hazard or bleed mods? I have that as targeted loot and been doing countdown. All I get is skill and damage mods. My tank mods are usually pulse resist or elite protection. I have 3 bleed and one Hazard

[austere tree]

tried out a 4-blue Ouroboros Striker build w/o PFE mods but Nimble Holster and one piece of Sokolov. Feels pretty nice on Heroic.

I managed to barely get by on Legendary with 5 blues (downed a couple times). It's probably gonna take time for me to get used to fighting at SMG range

My Backfire build looks like this. Ninjabike enables Cavalier's 2-piece effect (30% HazPro) and Ceska's 2-piece effect (20% Hazpro) , while rolling HazPro on 4 pieces (40%). You get the rest of the 10% from watch level

I prefer Striker because you are already losing a lot of damage output by going full hazpro; and even then this build lacks armor regen

All in all you sacrifice a lot of attributes to reach 100%. Would not recommend this build unless there's Special Ammo directive on or you are playing the handful of content that has particularly annoying hazards

It works mostly fine in solo except for cases like the long final boss fight in Brooklyn Art Museum; does okay-ish in a team especially with a support; don't even think about it on Legendary or in Countdown/Incursion

[strong cave]

The issue rn is you chose to go ninjabike as opposed to using 2 piece Ceska. Hazpro on all gear rolls even with a striker backpack will give 90% hazpro. With modifiers, can bring you to 100% hazpro. For vanilla gameplay, use 1 bleed resistance mod and you'll be at bleed immunity. Taking Ninjabike is a heavy nerf, even with the striker chest piece. Which, by the way, good luck maintaining 200 stacks.

Those ceska kneepads you have, I'm going to assume it's WD/CHD/Hazpro. Just slot in a ceska chest with WD/Hazpro/CHD. Obliterate works fine, Glass Cannon gives more damage tho. But makes you easily killable.

10%×6 pieces with hazpro = 60% hazpro + 10% from watch = 70% hazpro + 20% ceska 2p bonus = 90% hazpro +10% bleed resistance = bleed immunity

For the rest of the mod slots, use CHD.

Also, with striker bag, you get more up front damage

Hope this helps

[short crest]

You can get a good amount of bazpro with the seasonal modifiers too

[strong cave]

Additionally, that bulwark shield isn't helping you much if your pistol does no damage (Regulus + Harvest are best for damage). You'd be better off running the shield that allows you to shoot weapons (forgot the name of the skill)

[austere tree]

huh i don't know why it shows up as a Bulwark

[strong cave]

Likely because that's the actual skill you have equipped

[cerulean smelt]

didn't you know?! ninjabike is d3fence in disguise! (> <)

[austere tree]

yeah it didn't switch correctly from a pistol build. it's supposed to be crusader

[strong cave]

If your defense is stopping yourself from actually doing damage, doing a damn good job at it. That's for sure

[cerulean smelt]

never played div 1 and played around with the d3fence gearset?

[austere tree]

nah i don't like ninjabike either. I've been running this hazpro build for seasons and NB always sucked. time to try some other setup

[strong cave]

The biggest takeaway is they mentioned it's best paired with somebody doing a support build, which usually means CC/Healer/some OD builds/Measured Assembly. Basically they need to be healed just to be kept alive. Also, I started on div 2

[cerulean smelt]

i got a hazpro setup for backfire that seems to do decent in this season

[cerulean smelt]

ah, D3fence gearset allowed one to utilize a full shield like the bullwark and use an SMG like a we do now with a pistol

[subtle bluff]

Leggo tonight and watched a backfire hazpro gun just die a bunch then he rage quit it looked like

[strong cave]

Just swap your cavalier back to a striker piece with haz protection and then swap your chest piece back to a ceska chest piece with hazard protection and critical hit damage. The core attribute will stay the same. Use glass Cannon or obliterate talent. And then obviously get rid of that God forsaken ninja bike back and put on the striker backpack

[short crest]

Ninjabike is a trap

[strong cave]

And now if you think about it too so is the catalyst mask

[short crest]

I've got no experience with it so I can't say but that's a shame

It sounds good

[strong cave]

If you read the talent, enemies need to be status affected and within a specific range in order to get stacks. That means you have to play pretty up close, and at that range you may as well just run coyote for 25% credit damage

[short crest]

Can't you just use pulse laser?

[strong cave]

Hunters fury is barely viable with it, so is ongoing directive. Negotiators dilemma is barely viable with it too even with the blue screen. There's not always going to be a chance you're going to be within that range for close quarters combat with the catalyst mask meaning you won't get any stacks. And you also have to leave Target status affected so you get your stacks up which means intentionally leaving your enemies alive to have a potential to kill you

[strong cave]

That does not work because pulse is not a status effect

[short crest]

Ah that's lame lol

[hearty owl]

It’s perfect on my red Exuro build 😃

[strong cave]

If I am not mistaken, you need to be within 20 m of a status effect and enemy in order to build stacks on the catalyst mask. That's in order to get your weapon damage and the status effect buffs from the mask entirely. I knew that this would be a PVP oriented exotic the moment that they put at the very bottom of the talent that you can ads while being lit on fire

[strong cave]

Honestly I can get behind that. You can be in the range of your flame tour and it won't let you on fire. Plus all the enemies run away screaming because they are lit on fire so that means you can just shoot them as they're running around 😂

Turret*

[hearty owl]

Finally someone gets it 🥹

[short crest]

I forgot exactly what the talent says. You get stacks from being status affected right?

[cerulean smelt]

forgot to mention you can suffer status effects for 2 stacks

[short crest]

Burn yourself get more stacks ads through burn? Idk lol

[austere tree]

Set bonus (4): Talent: Ortiz Incinerator Turret Prototype
The Incinerator Turret spins 360°.
You are immune to your own Incinerator Turret's fire

huh?

[cerulean smelt]

well, there's chem launcher and there's the fire sticky, but you chance killing yourself with those at some point

[hearty owl]

._.

[strong cave]

That is genuinely the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Because what if you are under a tick status effect like bleed or poison or fire? Sure, you can ads through fire, but if you are being shot that means you are being dealt more damage to yourself than would be beneficial. This is why I say it is a PVP item because fire is heavily abused in PvP. Most people do not take hazard protection, so that means people are easily able to be lit on fire. Which if you cannot aim down your sights while you're on fire, that renders you a useless offense. You're only offense would be to run around and hope the person doesn't continue shooting you or you can attempt to hit fire and kill them. But, as we all know, the developers have nerved hip firing in one of their older updates

[shy willow]

Your incinerator can't grief you

[hearty owl]

Exuro is so slept on

[shy willow]

Sir

[hearty owl]

People DONT UNDERSTAND

[strong cave]

If you need to resort to lighting yourself on fire for more damage, you need to resort to a different game

[shy willow]

Let it stay in the grave

[short crest]

I mean backfire bleeds you for more chd

[subtle bluff]

‎

[hearty owl]

Wow

[cerulean smelt]

i know what you mean Fiftysdeath, but the talent is there, 1 stack for setting a status effect on an enemy or 2 stack for being under a status effect so you could technically get 3 stacks per

[short crest]

The easiest way to self status would be backfire?

[strong cave]

Do you have any experience using catalyst?

[strong cave]

If you didn't know, bleed actually slows your character down. You run a little bit slower while you are bleeding. That is a heavy No-No

[short crest]

I have noticed but it's really not bad and doesn't last long

[hearty owl]

Idk but I was able to maintain max catalyst stacks by just shooting gas canisters 💀 its not that hard

[short crest]

The screen turning red is more of a problem imo but that's just me

[cerulean smelt]

made up a build for it trying backfire on it, do get some decent stacks from backfire bleed. you know make an actual backfire build that could be viable out of this season instead of the mess new bros are raving about because content creators don't explain that part aside nothing but skillz i think? believe at the beginning he said this wouldn't be a build that'd work outside this season sort of disclaimer

[strong cave]

Just remember, it is 5% of your armor that is being damaged per stack that you have. So that means if you mad dump 51 bullets into an enemy and they are all hits and you go to reload, do some quick multiplication that will tell you just how many percentage ticks your armor gets taken away as you are bleeding. Bear in mind that if you are in a pinch and you are surrounded by enemies and you need to kill them, you are also taking enemy fire and dealing even more damage to yourself

[short crest]

I've never gotten close to killing myself with backfire bleed

[strong cave]

Yeah, you should be watching DJ tickle and tuxedo bandito instead. They put the mask through rigorous testing and they couldn't keep stacks for shit. It's that range limit. You have to ask yourself, how often are you going to be within that range limit? Because let's be real, some of the maps spawns and some of the maps designs are not close range proximity. A good majority are mid to long range. The only place I can see this being viable is in close quarter proximity, and that usually involves the summit and that involves close quarter proximity missions. Other than that, I don't see it being viable at all. And multiple videos have proven this

[cerulean smelt]

i think catalyst also gives bonus armor as well at some point, noticed i'd have bonus armor at times and i'm not running bloodletter or memento, but doesn't mean i've been running with someone who decided to run something like tardigrade in their build

[hearty owl]

Regulus AOE > any other way to get catalyst stacks 😎

[strong cave]

At that rate just run the punch drunk mask

[hearty owl]

Its in my red exuro build

[strong cave]

You are likely within 20m of that enemy

[hearty owl]

headshot pgc 😃

[strong cave]

Respect

[cerulean smelt]

i used to love watching nothing but skillz but at some point he flipped from skill builds to just what every other content creator runs these days, but i think i just watched his striker/hazpro/backfire build since many people come here asking questions about it

[hearty owl]

Regulus AOE + Exuro Burn that’s 2 stacks right there

I am such a genius

[strong cave]

Everybody has been putting that bill together, it was made with the design of Brooklyn DLC because the hazard protection protects you from the purple flame there. They put that bill together so that way they can still have the crit hit damage, while also being completely immune to the status effects of the new DLC content and still being able to do damage and survive. It was made with solo players in mind. I didn't jump on that bandwagon because I knew that these bills would be rendered useless after this season. That's why instead I decided to make my own hazard protection build using two-piece cheska four-piece Striker instead with all hazard protection rules. Ideal significantly more damage but I traded and survivability. However though, my build won't be rendered useless after this season. It will always work as long as the chest get two piece buff stays what it is right now

[shy willow]

Sir the kitchen is in ruins rn

[strong cave]

You will have to ignore me I'm using speech to text and we all know how god-awful that is

[short crest]

I use tuxedos backfire umbra build and it's gotten me to solo heroic and im only watch 84 dunno if it is relevant or not lol. But I like his content

[shy willow]

Tux is awful oh no

[strong cave]

I have a Umbra backfire build, and my strikers version of it outperforms it by a long shot in terms of the damage. It's only because of this season's modifiers that having a shit ton of critical hit damage and an over cap on critical hit chance is a reason why these builds are doing so well. In vanilla gameplay, having too much critical hit damage is actually a diminishing return

[hearty owl]

we need to save this guy

Tux rehab center is open for business

[strong cave]

Tuxedo isn't that bad, it's just that some of his build ideas are a bit questionable. But they do perform, I will give him credit on that. It's just that there are so many other better options to take. Some of his recent videos he is even went in depth and explaining the math behind a lot of it, like doing burst and sustained DPS calculations as well as factoring in different scenarios. Dod Regnbue and DJ tickle both do this. And if I'm not mistaken, iKiA as well

[barren tartan]

what could i improve? (gunner in on the way)

[short crest]

I noticed in some content where seasonal modifiers weren't on a dip in gameplay for sure. I've been working on a few other sets, I haven't farmed hazpro strikers as I just use a grupo chameleon strikers for group play. I'm starting to dislike the seasonal build stuff in a sense cause I want my shit to work at all times ya know

[hearty owl]

Obliterate chest

[shy willow]

iirc tux does paywalled builds as well

[strong cave]

Just swap that blue roll off of that holster and put critical hit damage on it. Ditch the focus talent, throw on obliterate. If you are a true chad, throw on glass Cannon

[hearty owl]

15 usd for monthly build “blueprints” 😭

[shy willow]

💀

[strong cave]

Yep, that is exactly why I make my own builds and do my own testing. I don't resort to YouTube and put together people's builds. I used the division 2 build tool, from mxswat and MrChow

[barren tartan]

throw what?

[strong cave]

Knowing build theory goes a long way. Eventually I'll have to go through a good majority of my builds and do a bit more theorizing so that way I can increase my burst DPS and see if I can adjust my sustained DPS in order to squeeze more performance

[hearty owl]

You want the Obliterate talent on your chest piece

[barren tartan]

ok

[strong cave]

Obliterate/Glass Cannon is a talent

[barren tartan]

i will try to do that

[short crest]

I'm only 2 weeks in so my first week was learning the basics of everything but now that I have an understanding of a lot of the mechanics i feel more comfortable throwing together my own stuff, usually based off of other people lol. But the shooting range has been my best friend last few days

[strong cave]

Please tell me this man does not do paid builds and shares them somewhere....

[strong cave]

The shooting range is actually the worst way to test out the true performance of your build. At most it gives you a basic idea of how to work with your build. Doing the number crunching is what really matters

[hearty owl]

he does or at least did, idk anymore check his yt membership

[strong cave]

You can shoot paper targets and be a badass all day but if your burst or sustained DPS is absolutely terrible, you're going to be marrying the ground with how often you'll be kissing it

[short crest]

I feel like the ttk section in the shooting range is good idk

[hearty owl]

No that is terrible

[strong cave]

There is a way you can calculate ttk without needing the firing range. The firing range is super inaccurate

[hearty owl]

That means absolutely nothing

That is a made up number for all you know

[strong cave]

I'll give it a look 👌

[short crest]

That sucks lmao I thought i was doing something checking damage numbers and shit hahaha

[hearty owl]

The shooting range was made by primitive apes once upon a time and never touched since then

[strong cave]

Nope. You need to use calculators for that, and you need to know the formulas. Tux has a calculator up somewhere. In the spreadsheet pinned in #td2-build-advice , there is a calculator that allows you to calculate the true damage of your build. Super easy to follow

Made by iKiA I believe

[short crest]

Awesome I'll check it out later, appreciate it! This is gonna be bad for me though lmao. I just came from no lifing poe2 and this game has me in a choke hold lmfao.

Expertise sucks tho not a fan lol

Is there a certain damage number most builds look for like per shot

[hearty owl]

Expertise was one of the worst things added to the game

[subtle bluff]

calculators what?

[subtle bluff]

DPS one is Raucey

[hearty owl]

🦧

[strong cave]

Raucey a real one. I remember fighting with him on some of my old off meta builds over a year ago 😂😂 bro basically transformed me into the "elitist" I am now 😭😭

[strong cave]

The devs really sticked you newbies hardcore after the Mule nerf. Dumping watch points for printer filaments with a high SHD level made the expertise grind easy. Deplete your watch points, make a new character, go from lvl 30 to 40, get the watch points back. Now, you have to either donate the item, grind levels, or use the item. Very horrible system that needs to be adjusted. Doubt the devs will do that in the near future

You don't get new points on new characters that obtain the watch now

[short crest]

It is so awful lmao I mean I know I started recently but im still only expertise 3 and I have my library maxed lol

Everything gets donated

[strong cave]

I waited for a while to grind my expertise to 30. I was just lazy. I was 18 expertise for a while. Until they announced watch mules would be removed. So I created about 3 new characters, giving me roughly 12k points a piece. 36k total points just to go from exp 18 > exp 30

[strong cave]

Transferring from Xbox to PC was easy. My library isn't maxed out in terms of talents. I only went for the good talents and didn't care to add the rest into my library. My attributes are max tho

[slate wedge]

best method now is probably just challenging CD with random named pieces and farming a brand/gearset which you just donate

[hearty owl]

yo thanks unc

[slate wedge]

no problem :)

[strong cave]

Any way I can improve the overall damage of this build without replacing any of the weapons? Yes, I know ravenous is niche. I want an excuse to use it and not let it collect dust

[formal maple]

Hi I need help with a good build for free roam and a dark zone build as I am new at the game I only been playing a week

[meager fog]

DPS is king, but it really depends onm how you want to play, and how high up the difficulty scale you want to go.

[sweet silo]

I'm returning to playing the game and need a solid dps/tank build. I've looked on YouTube and asked players and everyone has a different response so.. help?

[tulip charm]

Because every player plays differently

[formal maple]

DPS? Does that mean damage per second

[tulip charm]

I mean you can check the builds in the spreadsheet in pinned comments

[formal maple]

I use the tac 50

[meager fog]

It does indeed. Dead enemies don't fight back. BUT, being a good dps player requires not only a solid build, but also solid play. Because at higher tiers, you'll get downed very quick if you don't know what you're doing

[formal maple]

Could u pls give me some tips as I am new

[sweet silo]

Where?

[meager fog]

Sure.

What level are you? Where in the game are you?

[strong cave]

As you're a newbie, stay outta dz until you experience all PvE has to offer. That would be my #1 tip

[cerulean smelt]

about builds you shouldn't worry about them until you're 40 as well honestly

[meager fog]

As you're a newbie player, stay outta dz until you experience all PvE has to offer they fix the damn cheating. That would be my #1 tip

FTFY

[light grove]

I take it glass cannon is a no no for this one?

[sweet silo]

Level 40. I just havent played since NY dlc came out

[cerulean smelt]

depends if you think you can bear taking 50% more damage and if you're going that route i'd say even going vigilence on backpack

[light grove]

That’s what I’m asking fiftys as it’s both obliterate and unstoppable force with Ravenous

[cerulean smelt]

ah, thought it was your build my bad

[meager fog]

Are medal clips ok here?

[cerulean smelt]

like a different game clip?

[meager fog]

No a Div2 clip lmao

[cerulean smelt]

probably could in the #ask-td2-community ? not sure why Soliman Ghost posted a video of a cheater here with no context of what they were posting

[formal maple]

I used a level 40 boost and I have all of the dlcs

[meager fog]

Without playing the game?

[raw marlin]

Wait

[cerulean smelt]

read the rules

[formal maple]

Ok I went in Dz and I got destroyed install by Rouge agents

[hazy steeple]

@raw marlin Rule #12.

[cerulean smelt]

Rule 12 - No Naming and Shaming
Do not engage in any form of naming and shaming, harassment, or witch-hunting against individuals. Posting images, messages, or content that ridicules, defames, or encourages others to dislike or target someone is strictly prohibited. If you have concerns about another member, please report them to Modmail.

[formal maple]

I used the level 40 boost thing

[formal maple]

I played the game And it instantly gave me level 40

When I used the boost

[strong cave]

I mean, I can go glass cannon but rip taking more incoming damage

[strong cave]

Sounds right for a newbie

[raw marlin]

hi

i

[formal maple]

lol

[formal maple]

Yo

[raw marlin]

this is crizy

[formal maple]

Wym

[raw marlin]

my friend

[meager fog]

https://medal.tv/games/division-2/clips/kxnjb9avKeICHLZ3c?invite=cr-MSxxam0sMzgwNjExMjQx

Any thoughts? BK heartbreaker build I've been working on. Slow to start but the crits ramp up fast in crowded areas

[raw marlin]

ok

[cerulean smelt]

i prefer the long barreled guns and slapping technician link laser pointer to pulse my targets while using heartbreaker

[meager fog]

I just love the idea of hitting 1m crits with a gun that doesnt reload...its nuts lol

[strong cave]

Just crafted this bad boi... My Yaahl dream build is in the works 🧑‍🍳

Yes I'm on a steam deck rn. Out and About

[cerulean smelt]

how'd you get it to craft with weapon damange? (> <)
j/k i know you meant you crafted it with chc/chd so you can change the core to weapon damage

[raw marlin]

I need this

Where is this

[strong cave]

Pvp exclusive

[raw marlin]

Really 😩

[strong cave]

Yes. You have to be part of a clan with the clan vendor to buy Yaahl pieces. Decon them for parts. Then craft them if you have the Blueprint

[cerulean smelt]

any clue if the blueprints drop in control points? i'm curious about that honestly

[raw marlin]

Ok I see

[strong cave]

Or, you have to extract Yaahl pieces from dz or get them from conflict caches. Rn the countdown vendor sells a hollow man mask, Yaahl

I recommend the clan vendor method. Yaahl goes on sale frequently there

[cerulean smelt]

that'd be a lot of countdown runs (> <)

[raw marlin]

What 😲

We go countdown

[strong cave]

I have not a clue. I have the chest and the holster blueprint

[raw marlin]

😩

Nothing here blueprint

[strong cave]

I was attempting to craft the chest piece with double crit + unbreakable... I was gonna be here a while

[cerulean smelt]

guess i'll have to log into one of my many accounts and hope i don't have yahl any blueprints XD

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i remember someone was like. why not go this piece instead in one of your earlier posts

[strong cave]

Double crit closer still eludes me. Same with DBL crit matador

[strong cave]

Yup it was that person that pointed it out

[raw marlin]

Close

[strong cave]

Oh shit I do have the Yaahl mask blueprint

[raw marlin]

How open

[strong cave]

Meh don't need it. Coyote BiS

[cerulean smelt]

i forget what you had originally, but i just remember that specific conversation of "just craft this chest and then move that yahl here (mask/gloves/knees/holster) was like ohhhhh yeahhhhh

[raw marlin]

Huh

[strong cave]

I think I had double crit chest with unbreakable rolled for WD. Bro said yeah just move this piece to here and I was like "DUH 🤦 why didn't I think of that"

[cerulean smelt]

my initial reaction as well. like someone thought outside the box really well and pointed it out

[strong cave]

Honestly I think a 3r3b setup would do me just fine for dz

[raw marlin]

Ok I'm go dz

[strong cave]

Good luck is all imma say to that

[raw marlin]

Goodbye see yaaa

[strong cave]

Lmk how the wedding with the concrete goes

[strong cave]

We now have the dream setup 😩😩

[cerulean smelt]

no 3/3 huh? went 4/2?

[strong cave]

Yup! If I need another armor core I'll just roll armor back onto that Yaahl piece

[scarlet gyro]

HAB NACH LANGEM WIEDER ANGEFANGEN JMD LUST ZEIT IR BISSCHEN ZU HELFEN UND MIR EINIGES ZU ERKLÄRENß

sry for caps

[strong cave]

I don't speak foreignese. English please? 😭

[cerulean smelt]

think it's german? just not sure what it says honestly XD

[shy willow]

English only outside of #td2-clan-recruitment anyway as far as I'm aware

[cerulean smelt]

not sure what's a good weapon as a secondary for this build honestly

[strong cave]

Oh God he's got devils due on everyone run

[cerulean smelt]

think without modifiers i'm at 80% haz pro?

[strong cave]

I mean, that's one way to build it. I'd run unstoppable force or bloodsucker with that setup

You took 2p ceska. I'm proud

[cerulean smelt]

wait, turned off modifiers and i'm still 100%?

[strong cave]

30 uzina + 20 ceska + 10 watch if max + 10 off Yaahl + 10 for Yaahl roll + 10 off uzina + 10 off ceska = 100% hazpro

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i calculated it in my head once and was like i should be 100% with those 6 pieces in general i think? but tried it with the modifiers off and i was at like 88.7% and was like uh?

[strong cave]

Really damn odd

[cerulean smelt]

the build? yeah was just wanting to try something different for a backfire build

[strong cave]

Not just the build but the hazpro on it

Lemme really math this out.

30 uzina, 20 ceska 2p bonus. 50%

50% + 10% Yaahl 1p bonus = 60%

60% + 10% from max watch lvl = 70%

70% + 3(10% rolls) = 100% yeah that should be right

Might be a stat bug. assuming your rolls are all maxed for hazpro, you should be fully hazpro

[cerulean smelt]

they are 10%

[strong cave]

Yeah stat bug

[cerulean smelt]

nah, i forget the watch bit honestly which is also maxxed XD

made it for more of the peeps who comes here and asks about "how to backfire build?" show them this and be like strikers can probably get you more damage but after this season you'll die from bleeding (> <)

[terse scroll]

how are you meant to wipe Broken stacks when using the directive if it bugs out? just relog? visit a safe house / down yourself?

[astral kraken]

down yourself, travel to safehouse

[strong cave]

Just did the calculations for Burst/Sustained DPS. Grupo would be best for the kneepads. Helps both guns perfectly (Lex/Nemesis)

Was gonna go fox's for my Yaahl build but found that was underperforming more than grupo

[cerulean smelt]

for? your yahl dream build?

[strong cave]

Ye

Almost went fenris for the AR but chose to go grupo to help all weapons. It's a good sweet spot for Sustained/Burst

This is the new setup with my calculations> click here

[cerulean smelt]

nice nice. least you found out another piece is good for you dream build, hope it wasn't too much of a hassle to swap things around for you?

[strong cave]

Nah I had grupo kneepads in my stash. I keep high value pieces just for this reason

Already max too 😂

[cerulean smelt]

ah, figured you had a yahl there and had to craft up another yahl piece

[strong cave]

Nah I originally had fenris on the setup until I did the calculations. Found grupo was best fit for all

[cerulean smelt]

gonna report back "dream build works wonderfully!" or "i dismantled the build" or "i need to really fine tune the build more"?

[onyx sage]

"I Fixed the BIGGEST Mistake for This OP Build!??"

"Is This Brand The KEY To The Best SOLO PVE BUILD!??"

[cerulean smelt]

think fiftysdeath is going to be like "oh there's averageplayer!" "rogue protocol activated"

[hazy steeple]

@nocturne jasper The image-permissions in this channel are for proper use only.

[strong cave]

Nah I just ended a full squad manhunt with it

I'm in love with it

[cerulean smelt]

nice nice!

[strong cave]

Literally how it felt doing calculations 💀

[rustic pendant]

Would a bleed build using the stinger hive be worth looking into after I finish my support build?

[hoary valve]

idk why Elmo gun bad spelt the vibration on controller. I turned my vibration off my dual shock controller

sorry i have a third party ps4 controller kinda like it because led and i can turn of and on the vibration of the controller

[proper sigil]

does anyone know a good build for when you wanna make sure you can primarily heal teammates while still being useful in combat

[slate wedge]

yeah, you could do a ridgeway tank

[dreamy valve]

I like 4pc Refactor with chd/chc and Capacitor, Turret and assault drone

Can still get kills with your weapon and skills while still being able to heal anyone at any distance from them, even out of line of sight

And you just focus on shooting enemies while your drones do the auto healing

[real crest]

As a new lvl 40. If I wanted to have the best rushing (when I say rushing I’m talking COD mw3 type rushing from the 2000s) is it the striker with backfire and memento? Only reason is cuz I have the backfire and the memento and pieces of the striker gear but tbh idk wtf I’m doing so I was just wondering if this is the right way or if there’s a better option to go?

[astral kraken]

Depending on the content you can go with a yellow striker with one red core (technician will put you at tier 6). Enough to heal red teammates and you'll rip some good damage with the capacitor. Obliterate ceska chest, BDSU gloves.

[tired falcon]

depends on how involved you want to be in adding to the groups net dps....there are a lot of options.
If you want to be primarily healing then the Refactor chest is pretty much a must, though you could use any of the heal skill oriented regular gold gear instead with a talent, like Kinetic Momentum, Empathic Resolve, Overwatch, etc

So far these are the Refactor builds I've used but haven't finished experimenting with all the possible combinations, so these are just examples

template 1: With Memento
Emperor's Guard
Capacitor as primary, Harmony as Secondary
max skill tier
sniper turret and assault drone
The drone is more for distracting the most annoying enemies like the grenadiers and drone operators

template 2: With NinjaBike
Pecaro's with armor core attribute
Refactor including chest piece
one more brazos
same weapons and skills as the previous

[astral kraken]

This is the build btw:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/16HqEiVULospbbD6EZS29FJLo0Kc7cMwDECTo4OEmo0w/edit?usp=sharing

[real crest]

Anyone…?

[astral kraken]

try hunter's fury

[real crest]

I have no idea wtf that even is…please explain

[astral kraken]

memento and a couple blue cores

[real crest]

wtf is a blue core?

get mad all u want I literally said I was new

[solar sable]

Blue core is referred as an Armor Main/Core Attribute

[real crest]

So then what is a hunter fury?

[astral kraken]

I would suggest looking up some beginner build guides. We can answer specific questions but typing out all the basics here just seems like wasted effort when you can look it up.

[dreamy valve]

Blue core is a lifestyle as much as it is a core attribute

[astral kraken]

Better off not knowing what a blue core is anyway #redsupremacy

[real crest]

no where in the story thing did it mention a blue core…?

Mainly just about the agents and saving Brooklyn

[solar sable]

@real crest Read this, it'll explain better what to focus on:

Hunter's Fury

[real crest]

Is there a Spanish one? I’m using Google translate so it can be English for you guys

[solar sable]

I can translate for you, remember? Send me a private message

[dreamy valve]

Sounds like you are very very new, and should just focus on getting to level 40 without boost so you can understand the game’s fundamentals, no cap

[real crest]

This is updated?

[solar sable]

It hasn't changed in a few seasons if that's your concern

[real crest]

Idk I just did the free shit the game offered which was Brooklyn or something like that

But now Game wants me to buy since no free anymore so idk

[real crest]

Ok so use gear here right?

[dreamy valve]

I think the whole bundle is still 25 usd right? Includes both dlcs

My advice is to not jump to Backfire build immediately as a new player

[solar sable]

yup, try something easier to handle and gain experience with

Hunter's Fury is a great start

[real crest]

I found this one para google but translation is werid I put here maybe u get better i following this for week about but some miss

Build Component Description
Weapon Slot #1 Backfire
Weapon Slot #2 Any preferred weapon
Specialization Gunner
Mask Blue Core Hollow Man Mask with Hazard Protection
Backpack Memento
Chest Blue Core Striker with Hazard Protection
Gloves Blue Core Striker with Hazard Protection
Holster Blue Core Striker with Crit Damage
Kneepads Blue Core Striker with Hazard Protection
Gear Mods Crit Chance | Crit Damage
Skills Crusader Ballistic Shield | Reviver Hive
Modifiers Assault Link | Loaded Up | The Best Kind of Defense | Safety First
Pro Tip Aim for 60% Crit Chance, then use Crit Damage rolls and mods

Pero no se “blue core”

[dreamy valve]

You’re skipping a lot of in game mechanics and knowledge during the leveling phase, including their new player Onboarding system

[solar sable]

Jay, we just said not to go for a Backfire build as a new player
Trust our word, try HF

[dreamy valve]

I mean, we can’t force you to do anything. Anyways, I still love carrying people in any difficulty I got your back bruh

[solar sable]

as a red core enthusiast I cannot trust a blue core enjoyer

[dreamy valve]

I understand that trust must be earned, and I’m up for the challenge

[real crest]

I send Spanish message English harder sorry

[real crest]

From what I understand thanks I just do the Brooklyn thing but now I super confused on what next

y Roosevelt island legend thing is nut hard

Sorry I try to do the English hopefully u understand me

[dreamy valve]

Uno debe aprender a caminar antes de aprender a correr, amigo mío

I used Google translate

[solar sable]

that's very well translated for it to be google translate

[hazy steeple]

@solar sable There's better methods out there now, just google around a bit.
I have to use them all the time for this server.

[solar sable]

I prefer Cambridge Translate

[real crest]

???????

[subtle bluff]

He has me blocked for some reason even tho I’ve agreed to him and some of his blueish advices.

[hazy steeple]

@real crest English only on this server, you can use other languages to find players down in #lfg-playstation

[barren tartan]

Where can i find obliterate talent

I mean on which equipment

[quartz ermine]

Vest

[barren tartan]

No way

[quartz ermine]

yep

[barren tartan]

Are there vests that will have obliterate talent for sure

[hazy steeple]

It's best to get a Chest with the correct Attributes and roll on Obliterate, that way you can tweak it easier in the future.

Targeted Loot: Ceska, in Challenging Countdown, you'll get one before too long.

[barren tartan]

I have ceska

[quartz ermine]

everything is random , just farm

[barren tartan]

Well. I have to start submmit then

[raw marlin]

We have

[barren tartan]

Now i have ceska with obliterate

what can i improve now?

i know about gunner

[versed flame]

at your level, it's quite decent.

Over time, find the perfect things-completely red(characteristics)

[barren tartan]

Good to know

Btw. Im trying to get memento as alternative for solo i think. Which mask should i use when using memento?

[solar sable]

Striker's mask

[versed flame]

👆 Yes, you should have 4 parts of the set.

[barren tartan]

Make sense

[tall sphinx]

Lf ongoing directive build

[subtle bluff]

this is just a template you don't have to folow the weapons and foxes

[subtle bluff]

No sadist! get out of here! ❤️

[solar sable]

ooohhh that one looks nice

[solar sable]

come on it's not my build lol

[subtle bluff]

🧐

[solar sable]

oh wait what carnage is not equipped

weird

[tall sphinx]

Thanks guys!

[subtle bluff]

I should make a small write up guide for it since it's a really simple build.

4pc OD+Chest, Ceska BP w/Wicked, Coyote, Grupo or anything that gives, more CHC/CHD
For weapons, almost anything works as long as they have Sadist.
To start the Status Effect OD proc you can use any of the following: Riot Foam Chem Launcher, Banshee Pulse or Scorpio.

[real crest]

????????

[subtle bluff]

Use words please.
I guess if you're having problems communicating here, it's probably better to find a server that uses the same language as you.

[flint wave]

he speaking question mark

[slate wedge]

@tall sphinx if you use carnage go with chc as third attribute and use ceska backpack with wicked and contractors

[astral kraken]

maybe it's just a font none of us have

[mossy dirge]

Any idear i use oxpecker umbra striker build, with artificer hive cause shield gets damage, would that work

[subtle bluff]

that's a lot of stuff to juggle around at once tbh.

wait..
Umbra + Strikes?

[mossy dirge]

Kanmikazevandoom well known, yes

[subtle bluff]

Badly here.

oxpecker and artificer hive is redundant.

[mossy dirge]

It shreds alot, high dps and survival cause of umbra, ninja i forgot, striker,

[subtle bluff]

Do you have question?

[mossy dirge]

Artificer hive i thought it would repair damage shield since oxpecker gives damage to shield

[subtle bluff]

The Artificer hive isn't like a resto hive it doesn't repair immediately has it takes damage.

[subtle bluff]

Also, you could do a lot more. Oxpecker the base weapon dmg isn't great vs other weapons and also having NBB will also nerf the full potential of any build.

[autumn yacht]

if you got the build from him delete it

[subtle bluff]

You're saying you're going into cover to get stacks then get out for the the other stacks, then deloy the shield and shoot a while to un-deloy the shield to make cover again?

[slate wedge]

KvD💀

[subtle bluff]

Actually, high DPS.

[finite jay]

is the pakhan usless? sense we have the Bullet King?

i suppose it does more dmg but without needing to reload does it matter

[astral kraken]

pakhan has better burst, bk has better sustain

different uses

bk is for encounters when continuing to fire is more important than doing the most damage. which is not often tbh.

[hexed steppe]

add carnage and this is my setup

[solar sable]

yeah idk why carnage wasn't saved in my loadout I usually run with it

[finite jay]

i got this build form DeepSeek skill dmg build for DZ

[static shadow]

Is there a gear buildsheet somewhere in the pinned for all the gear cause I'm tired of playing Google Easter egg hunt lol

I'm talking upto dare with brooklyn

[finite jay]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1380412817#gid=1380412817

[static shadow]

Thank you

[finite jay]

@static shadow

[violet juniper]

steady over a million damage with OD buff

[hoary valve]

ya’ll know a better backfire build?

[subtle bluff]

yes don't use Hazpro

[hoary valve]

with what gear?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers or HF

[violet juniper]

second the HF

[hoary valve]

with what stats and how do i counter the bleeding

[subtle bluff]

Shoot faster

We don't we just shoot faster and kill everything

[hoary valve]

now i’m sitting here and questioning your build

[subtle bluff]

‎

[austere tree]

without hazpro the damage output itself is insane. but bleeding prevents you from sprinting, which may or may not slow down your run or screw you up at one point

[subtle bluff]

Oh right I was using to so I can run.

[hoary valve]

so go for something like crit chance and damage

[austere tree]

ah interesting I'll check out this exotic

[hoary valve]

?

[subtle bluff]

Or just use another SMG

I actually hate using Backfire its' so slow

[hoary valve]

nah grinding for backfire

[subtle bluff]

There was a point where everyone doesnt' want to do the "meta" but now the "meta" is backfire but it hasn't changed in the past 2 seasons.

[subtle bluff]

TO note.

#td2-build-advice message
Here's a post of compares run kind both a crap run but there.

[violet juniper]

At 100 stacks the bleed stops. Strikers you rely solely on killing people before they kill you. HF has armour on kill to negate the bleed

if you run Memento it also does a perfect job of soaking up the bleed

[hoary valve]

if i run the hf would i run the chest holster, gloves, and kneepads and what would i run for the mask

[torpid walrus]

Is it more beneficial to mix and match gear sets as opposed to wearing a full set?

[violet juniper]

you don't want to run HF chest or Backpack

you want high end stuff for the chest and bag, the talents are a lot more useful

I personally run this

[solar sable]

valid setup imo

[violet juniper]

if you don't have Memento, use a Ceska or grupo bag with vigilance

If you want more armour, use adrenaline rush as your backpack talent

[solar sable]

finally no hazpro 🙏

[violet juniper]

Armour is my hazpro lol

I get 30% AoK and bonus armour from stacks

[solar sable]

one blue from momento is enough

[hoary valve]

like this?

[solar sable]

just need crit rolls on those HF pieces and a Oblit talent on vest

[violet juniper]

perfect

just get some crit rolls, and feel free to swap to Ceska over Sokolov if your CHC looks a bit low. Aim for crit damage on your HF pieces

Also, you can run any SMG, it doesn't have to be Backfire. I personally use it, but I also use Chatterbox

[hoary valve]

haven’t even tried my build and a guy cussed me out while i was down

[verbal gust]

Never heard of him. But sure. If it’s a YouTuber i don’t touch that for builds I make my own or follow guides or advice here. lol

[austere tree]

hmmm does acosta's kneepads always comes with one red attritbue and one blue?

[violet juniper]

Exotic attributes are set, they always drop the same

[austere tree]

not with acosta's kneepads

seems like it's always 1 red and 1 blue though; just rerolled a dozen times

[violet juniper]

yeah .. because exotic attributes are set

[austere tree]

bruh

[violet juniper]

All exotics have set minor attributes, the only thing that changes is the percentage

[austere tree]

Do you have it? You can just reroll and check. I don't wanna reroll mine again unless you wanna bet on something

acosta's kneepads is an exception

[astral kraken]

yes

same as all exotics

[subtle bluff]

NO

[austere tree]

Uhh

[violet juniper]

now... I didn't know that

[subtle bluff]

acosta's kneepads is the one Exotic that doesn't have fixed minor attributes.

[austere tree]

great now i got a trash roll

[violet juniper]

that's weird af

Heh, I never used them so how would I know lol

My bad @austere tree I was wrong

[austere tree]

i just knew it could be rerolled, didn't know that their "colors" are still fixed

[subtle bluff]

I don't think I've seen them with 2 red's

Ok I thought so.

I would of just stuck with the CHD and Hazpro you rolled

[austere tree]

that was before lmao

[solar sable]

I somehow killed a boss with a foam chem shot on the leg... Chow, now I understand the meme

I wasn't even trying to kill her lmao

[verbal gust]

I got the perfect clutch backpack blueprint. Rolled CC and health and I’m going to make a build with an exotic smg. Just don’t know which one yet. Any suggestions?

[subtle bluff]

It's a not a good talent

When you have Aok Brandset bonus and gunner that do it already.

[verbal gust]

I figured on crit w incoming repairs could be cool tho. Oh well. Back to descent to get those stupid emporer knees ugh

[astral kraken]

fair enough but who uses them anyway

might as well not exist

[subtle bluff]

I used it.. Ok well that's not fair since I'll do stuff no one else does..

[astral kraken]

also... how come that guy acosta gets to wear two exotics

maybe i can use them to recreate old modifiers 😭

[timid osprey]

so i'm trying to figure out what a good build would be for a mix of damage and armor. any suggestions?

[hazy steeple]

HB (heartbreaker) is a fantastic choice for that, but there's a lot of options these days.
What playstyle are you looking for?

[static shadow]

Ok so I'm confused i put this together today. I have 100% resistance to just about everything I'm supposed to be at 1.5 million armor but somehow my ninja bike and memento are giving me the same stats odd. Now as you can see at the range that almost 400% is because I do hit the modifiers to pump it up. Without modifiers it's about 350% crit hit damage. I swear my damage should see hits more the 800k from watching all these other videos. Even when I tried to copy their builds with umbra to the T I could never get the over 1 million crits. Is there something else I can do this build. I mean I can survive alot of things and don't have to worry about status effects ever with or without modifiers.

[timid osprey]

just like aggressive but also can take a couple of rounds. i'm wanting to get to play on the highest difficulty.

[subtle bluff]

leggo or you mean heroic??

[subtle bluff]

Doing it wrong.

[timid osprey]

heroic

[astral kraken]

based on the stat sheets you posted you should be hitting 1.3 million crits to body

with modifiers turned on and assault link activated

how are you testing the damage numbers? specifically

[subtle bluff]

Looks like the range

[astral kraken]

what's your dttooc stat on the gun?

[astral kraken]

yea but im wondering if they're using an invulnerable elite or not

[subtle bluff]

His build is bad is all I have to say.

[astral kraken]

this is true

if obliterate is not charged up and the gun doesn't have dtoc then the crits fall to 1 million

[subtle bluff]

No he's there if he has Backfire stacked then he as to have obli

[astral kraken]

good point

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12toMVI6dK69YFeaB2RLzaQuzAKkPmtZ9WkHk2TkPie8/edit?usp=sharing

looks right i think

[static shadow]

Yea i have obl

So what am I missing then to hit harder but still maintain 100% immunity to everything but elites which im trying to figure out how to incorporate that

[subtle bluff]

You don't need full hazpro..

[static shadow]

I get that because of modifiers

[subtle bluff]

even then. you don't need any hazpro to deal with backfire bleed

[static shadow]

Yea true I guess I do it cause I tend to stand in the fire lol

@astral kraken I'm a tad slow how did you come up with those numbers which level should I be shooting at the range

[astral kraken]

it's dps calculator created by ikia. i took all the numbers from your stats sheet.

assuming those are your screenshots

[static shadow]

Yea they are

[heavy lava]

Which version is better? Goal with this build is to be able to use all the different DPS skills in conflict without needing to switch gear pieces. I do like Vile but I'm not sure if it's worth it? I can use jammer and get free tick dmg with it I've noticed.

[near elm]

Would you use umbra in pvp or pve?

[heavy lava]

Amazing for both.

I've got pvp builds for it if you are interested I'll share !

[near elm]

Im good for now I'm looking to make a cover to cover, pulse dmg build, and I was conflicted between using striker or umbra