td2-build-advice

[hearty owl]

I mean the weapon damage stacks

[onyx sage]

awd

[hearty owl]

Dude

I’m so fkn sad rn

Deleting it as we speak

Goodbye, red Exuro. Back into the stash you go 🥹

Nah I was on to something IDC WHAT ANYONE HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT

[subtle bluff]

Whaet, the cooker of......

[onyx sage]

pay for some bleach so i can wash my eyes

[astral kraken]

backpack is missing a mod because... who it's a f anymore

[hearty owl]

You are all my biggest motivators.

[hazy steeple]

Porridge?

[astral kraken]

we all have our guilty pleasures. this one is mine.

[hearty owl]

Ok we gotta kill you

[astral kraken]

the more of you come after me the more armor i will have

[subtle bluff]

I don't have it saved but I have something called Skillhorn.

[subtle bluff]

‎

[astral kraken]

i would rename this build "i play this game too much"

[subtle bluff]

that's I play incursion too much

[astral kraken]

imagine if you could run a reg with that and keep the bighorn... ugh.. 😍

[subtle bluff]

Harvest does more now. If I were really focus on doing has much DCH dmg I would use different talents and primary gun

[astral kraken]

is the one yellow attribute repair skills?

[subtle bluff]

This is only for Wright

Killing ads, solo pulling wright with some dps but then being able to chunk Wright on the last phase.

[hazy steeple]

I both understand and am sad that whatever that is, is gone.

[warm socket]

What loot am i looking for when im farming the goblin?

[violet juniper]

I love when legendary enemies suddenly gain complete immunity to Scorpio. Only happens when I'm on low health

[astral kraken]

happens with foam too. they gain temporary immunity after status affects them.

[onyx sage]

i love mini tanks that are immune to emp and shock when they just spawn

why am i so dumb to not be aware they gain magical resistance?

[rich lotus]

Anyone got a good skill build for conflict tried the spreadsheet just not 100% witch would be best

[violet juniper]

your entire build revolves around status effects? Too bad, White Tusk are superhumans who don't bleed

[subtle bluff]

This is Diminishing returns effect once anyone gets 3 of the same Status Effect, they gain a small immunity.

[astral kraken]

3? are you sure? when i play cc i see it after 1 foam all the time.

[violet juniper]

the white Tusk heavies must be Captain America under that armour, I've never seen a guy with a BELT FED MINI GUN turn 180 degrees in half a second

[astral kraken]

like i'll foam something, my teammates don't kill them, and i can't foam them again for a while

[astral kraken]

have you seen them climb? that must be some super lightweight alloy for their armor!

[violet juniper]

I rather think they're just built like Eddie Hall under the armour

[subtle bluff]

I never have check but I'm assuming Diminishing returns adds resti to that stat till you're immune.

0 or 1 teir it'll probably come off too quick

[modern night]

What r you using this build for

[violet juniper]

Sh*tty mortar

[vestal ibex]

Any build is good if you can't miss I guess.

[subtle bluff]

I explained a few messages below. It's shouldn't be a build anyone should try to use because it's made for one fight only. I built around what I wanted it do it doesn't anything well.

[modern night]

It’s for PvP

I figured you were using that striker dua boss so you can always mark the head

[violet juniper]

then where's your contractors?

why lengmo????

[modern night]

It’s an explosive resistance build I could care less about dta

[subtle bluff]

Skill Health. Suprised there's no shield

[modern night]

I can mortar my self and take no dmg while dmg people next to me duh

[brazen linden]

Excuse me what the actual fu-

[subtle bluff]

These are a one off builds. Take them for a pinch of salt.

[subtle bluff]

this.

[brazen linden]

I can tell, using 2 grey guns?? Bro is a masochist

[hazy steeple]

Chow has such sights to show you.

[brazen linden]

Uh oh

[modern night]

Are you using that striker for dua boss tho bc I use the same build but with no skill tier

[subtle bluff]

even tho I'm pretty blind IRL.. Thicc lenes.

[astral kraken]

the grey guns dont get used lol, thats why they are grey

when you run a chameleon you dont switch off

[hazy steeple]

@brazen linden I'm genuinely glad only you got that one.

[brazen linden]

I don’t play enough TD2 to know what Chameleon means srry 💔

[subtle bluff]

YOOO Have you seen 7 grey build heroic challenge?

[brazen linden]

Is that like a concealment build equivalent or what

[hazy steeple]

Imagine if an SMG was turned into an AR, but without the benefits of an AR.
Like range.

[rich lotus]

It’s an exotic assault rifle

Least accurate as rivens said previous

[brazen linden]

Oh

[brazen linden]

So an exotic PDR?

[hazy steeple]

Lower range.

PDR in div2 has 31.
Cham has.....20.

[brazen linden]

Sounds atrocious

[bold leaf]

If you hate range and accuracy it's great

[hazy steeple]

It however, does look like a sci-fi machine gun from 2077, so it has its benefits.

[modern night]

I almost bought a all white vector at a gun show over the weekend

[subtle bluff]

Chameleon DPS numbers is actually pretty powerful.

[modern night]

No it’s ass it doesn’t have determined on it so it’s ass

[light grove]

An assault rifle that forgot it was a sub-machine gun.

[rich lotus]

If you’re a meter away

[modern night]

The chameleon is deeply closeted

[subtle bluff]

Just by numbers never said if it works well in game

Most people things going HS proc first is best but it isn't.

[light grove]

1 EP 3 strikers chameleon DUA previously speed run?

[rich lotus]

True theoretically it looks great in dmg but reality…😂

[subtle bluff]

But that's why his build above is done the way he did it for fun.

[verbal gust]

What’s this slingshot named smg shenanigans ? lol

[bold leaf]

Presumably a summer event reward

In which case it'll probably be like the others, a higher than normal stat and interchangeable talent

But it's an UMP I think?

[verbal gust]

Yeah it looks like it

[hasty sluice]

I dont have numbers but this should be one of the best OD setups atm right?

[astral kraken]

mask just got fixed today. i'd wait for some thorough tests before committing to it. in case you end up using mats to optimize or something.

[subtle bluff]

Best idk. No one has done enough testing and numbers to say so yet.

We really throw the word Best here too quickly.

[hasty sluice]

I mean its red with a free 24% wd for shooting things. the only part is a lack of CHD on it.

[astral kraken]

in my initial testing coyote wins on pure damage. and since coyote also buffs teammates... unless my test was bad, coyote is the right pick.

you're losing chc and chd with the mask. on a build that's already hurting for chc.

[hasty sluice]

I mean im sitting at 58%/99%

[astral kraken]

in the words of jay z: men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

the thing is, with mid-range coyote you are 60%/151%

that's a big difference

[hasty sluice]

mid range?

i dont see the math

since "mid" is 15-25

[astral kraken]

actually, correction: at mid-range coyote you should be at 60%/169%

assuming you're using an lmg with crit chance

[hasty sluice]

nope

[hasty sluice]

since im using both phakan and not phakan Im using an under 60% to make up for it.

[astral kraken]

this is my chc/chd with mods turned off. mid-range coyote gives me 10% chc which puts me at 60% chc. it also gives me 10% chd which puts me at 169% chd.

and this is the build

iron lung is 60%/159% at mid range

[hasty sluice]

oop i was missing the under grip on carnage

[astral kraken]

when i take this build and put the new mask on it, it's less damage

[hasty sluice]

it was angled for some reason

[astral kraken]

(even at full stacks)

[hasty sluice]

well obv if you just copy paste it you arent counting for the loss of CHC

since you are losing both the buff ~10%CHC + the roll 12~% CHC

[astral kraken]

i didn't copy paste it. i adjusted the chc/chd

[hasty sluice]

I was realy hoping

[astral kraken]

thing is... i also ran it with modifiers turned on and it ripped. so keep that in mind.

[hasty sluice]

oh well time to wait 6 more weeks to get tinker

[astral kraken]

this season the modifiers are specifically good for builds that hurting in crit chance

[hasty sluice]

true true

[astral kraken]

so if you tune things properly with modifiers it'll be fine. i was hitting 1.6 million crits with the carnage

[hasty sluice]

dont think ill hit that much. I dont use vigi lol

or have everything maxed

[astral kraken]

OD is all about team buffs anyway. if someone in your group is already running coyote then using the new mask is not a bad idea.

[hasty sluice]

i forgot my dta was what I did on my carn. I can set it to CHC

60%/92% phakan 57%/132% carn

Think thats gonna work quite well

[violet juniper]

That's what I use lol. OD with ceska Vigi bag, Catalyst, Scorpio and sadist Lexington

Coyote is more pure damage, but Catalyst has more all rounder benefits

[subtle bluff]

My first thought with Cata on OD is that we like OD because there is no ramp just straight all the dmg then mask you need to make stacks again.

[astral kraken]

i think you can go insta full stacks with just a banshee pulse

but yea what about boss fights

[subtle bluff]

That’s where OD as always fell off

[astral kraken]

yea but with the new mask it falls off even more

[hearty owl]

Catalyst is buns

just run blood knuckles on every build

[subtle bluff]

Whaet saying something actually good. 🤭

[zenith plover]

Got it bruh

[winged vine]

Is ND chestpiece good, or should I stick with Obliterate/GC?

[onyx sage]

no, not at all

[subtle bluff]

the latter

[winged vine]

Is 10% weapon specific damage bonus better than 13% CHD?

[shy willow]

On an all red build, no

[onyx sage]

most of the time no

[winged vine]

Thanks for the replies! You guys are a big help!

[rough kelp]

Quick question. I am about to wade into my inventory and stash with dual wielded machetes and toss the remains of almost everything into my Tinkering Station... Aside from exotics, should I be worried about having difficulty getting any items again? (Such as Caretaker.) I understand that I can farm exotics via Countdown, and I assume gear or high end set items too (have not hit Countdown yet).

Just curious on how badly I will regret this decision if I obliterate my stash to go farming.

[subtle bluff]

Um first off, Caretaker was an event project thing. It's not in the general loot pool.

[rough kelp]

Yeah, which is why I singled it out as "do not kill", but I been out of game too long and am not sure if it is only one.

[subtle bluff]

Next time these types of questions would probably be answered better and quicker in #ask-td2-community
I'm really a build help guy.

[rough kelp]

Ah, apologies, I figured rarity of items was a build topic. ❤️

[subtle bluff]

You're good, I have these answers. Just sometimes no one else here will. Future things 😄

[solar sable]

this is Chow's channel now

[craggy forge]

ND with Vig Backpack or ND Backpack? I‘ve seen some Videos where people say ND Backpack is not needed?

[shy willow]

Depends how you wanna play it

Vigi will give more single target damage but imo you're better off playing to NDs strengths and using ND bag

It's essentially a 12 percent amp on transfer damage

[craggy forge]

So basically, st elmo, coyotes, ceska obliterate chest and 4pc nd?

[loud pine]

sounds pretty good yep

[feral anvil]

or ceska obliterate and fox's prayer. i usually run it with shield splinterer

[mellow tusk]

on a striler build, what the best weapon between st elmo,charmeleon and strega

[flint wave]

elmo

[mellow tusk]

the shock ammo is that realiable?

[flint wave]

it's also just a good gun in general

[solar sable]

It's just the mag and it's recoil control

and yeah shock ammo does help you when you're a little under pressure

[mellow tusk]

huh

thanks

my loadout at moment, just need to farm a better roll cheska and elmo

[cloud stirrup]

What’s your surviveability like with his build? I have attempted a similar setup but feel like my Heartbreaker build is much better for not getting one tapped

[mellow tusk]

eh, almost zero if i not using the shield

new player, watch level low

[cloud stirrup]

Yeah… I run 3 blue cores with my striker build and is still feels very glass cannon, I’m at watch level 600 odd at it doesn’t get better

Heartbreaker seems to be the happy medium of good DPS and lots of armour

[subtle bluff]

It's all about positioning and targeting.

[mellow tusk]

i used to be a glass canon, my favorite build is a 1886 determined/headshunter - so a i dont have much problems

building a striker build is just to do content with more players and farming countdown

maybe raid sometime, i didnt try yet

[mellow tusk]

the reason is because my 1886 build dont oneshot most of the enemies on legendary/heroic missions with more than 3 players

[subtle bluff]

It's not just watch level. It's just gameplay knowledge

[mellow tusk]

of course, but watch level helps a lot

but knowledge to know when and how do things in different missions and situations is the main thing to master

[subtle bluff]

To a degree, but still when we say almost anything viable in solo we're not joking.

[mellow tusk]

yes, it just depends on the player

I myself can't make solo legendary yet

and neither kill a summit floor 90+ solo heroic

[hasty sluice]

we should name the chat td2-chow-advice

[mellow tusk]

chow is the goat

[subtle bluff]

[hasty sluice]

correct

[verbal gust]

I got a Brayzen acs12 w dttooc and I can’t stop using it

[strong cave]

"I got a Glock in my 'Rari"

• Fetty Wap

[strong cave]

What's it gonna take to get you in dz? Run up some manhunts

[astral kraken]

where'd my petition go

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[terse scroll]

would there be anything else I can run on this build for extra dmg?

[nocturne jasper]

Ok here me out I have a very good sheild Carrier set, with the catharsis, liberty, with the big shield and artificer, and the perfect glass cannon.

[finite jay]

Finally got it after 4 hours

[finite jay]

you already have it

[valid mango]

i just realised that im a fool

i thought extracted talents were 1 time use haha

[subtle bluff]

When we're both on and I get you thru an incursion run

[subtle bluff]

Don't use NBB also just use Chainkiller and a Vigil or conu

[terse scroll]

i was using that previously but it seemed weak with trying to use it with a Hunter's Fury set

[subtle bluff]

NBB will always nerf any builds dmg

[terse scroll]

even if i'm using NBB to get the 3pc from IA? +60% pistol dmg

[subtle bluff]

Here's a good example.

[terse scroll]

this is my build normally

[subtle bluff]

For Pistol you'd go Striker shield. Sharpshoot doesn't really help with a Pistol

But if you're using a 1886 ya sharpshooter is better

[terse scroll]

yer i use a bit of both usually

[subtle bluff]

Then I'd just go for another W&H for that DTA since at the top and for building HH it helps

[subtle bluff]

You have both build why don't you see for us

plz

[terse scroll]

yeah i've tried them both out, was just wondering if there was anything else i could add / swap for them but i think they're both just at max so far

it's probs more viable in solo rather than group too

[fair ridge]

when farming Harvest, do I want headshot damage or dtoc?

[subtle bluff]

Always DTTooC

[strong cave]

Our time zones really screw that up

[subtle bluff]

And my sleep

[fair ridge]

I assume even for determined build dtoc outmaths hs?

[urban latch]

Yes

[fair ridge]

cool cool ty

[subtle bluff]

If you don't DTTooC already, it's a new number into math. Where HS would just add to HS amoun

[fair ridge]

gotcha

[verbal gust]

When you have cloak kneepads in countdown you have 10sec left and you bob and weave between hunters to extract and are successful in the attempt and survive? lol

[raw marlin]

This is best build

[verbal gust]

Idk bout best maybe good

[patent fossil]

A bold claim, that is unlikely to pass without argument

[verbal gust]

Can’t compete with strikers or a high end build even idk

Gearset is good it’s just the way it’s utilized at the end of the day right?

[raw marlin]

OK

GOODBYE

[light grove]

I see a pretty big argument in orange.

It’s got two straps and can be slung on your back

[verbal gust]

Don’t let the door hit ya where the lord split ya I guess.

[raw marlin]

I have no strikers

Im Go

[verbal gust]

The gearset? That’s not very nice.

[verbal gust]

Sure feel free sir

[astral kraken]

i have a strikers

its not bad

[raw marlin]

Mission striker

[verbal gust]

No the gearset you should farm for that and hey we got builds in the pinned section of this channel that may help you further

[raw marlin]

I need weapon

[light grove]

No mission for striker? You could always do countdown or summit

[verbal gust]

Can you elaborate on what kind of weapon?

[raw marlin]

Weapon is name eagle bearer

Where is this

[verbal gust]

You get it from the raid dark hours

[light grove]

💀 💀 💀

[raw marlin]

Really how

[verbal gust]

It’s an 8 man activity which requires constant comms and cooperation

[astral kraken]

make sure you bind the rock paper scissors emote

[raw marlin]

Ok

[verbal gust]

And when someone gets mad use the taichi emote

[raw marlin]

🤨

Wait

Is box 5

Hello

Yo that

Best build

I'm go looking striker

Wait huhh think you nfg ghostsper

[verbal gust]

You’re welcome sir. Have fun and gl agent

[raw marlin]

Goodbye see yaa

[lapis stratus]

any recommended build for farming floor 10 legendary submit for bighorn

[hearty owl]

Oxidizer… 😉 those who know…

[patent fossil]

Whatever works for you. Easiest (albeit slow and boring) approach would be a refactor skill build with turret and drone

[lapis stratus]

aite thanks

[urban gull]

Hey, whats a great % of prop of crit? (in the total of the build) thx

[patent fossil]

60% is max (excluding seasonal modifier bonuses), generally you want chc (crit hit chance) to be about half of chd (crit hit damage) although obviously once chd is >120% then just leave chc at 60%

Of course if you're using talents that rely on crits, such as killer or Negotiators, then you'll always want to push chc up to max

[hexed steppe]

Just dont let your skills kill everything, or else itll be a short farm session

[craggy forge]

@urban latch Can you explain this to me from the Build guide for Heartbreaker? Arialdi Holdings Chest but not playing with Marksman?

[hearty owl]

It’s the perfect version its always better

[patent fossil]

Binoculars

[urban latch]

Its for perfect focus, but tbh thats a bit outdated at this point since we can no longer shield peak. Its still an option though since perfect focus is stronger than HB chest

[hearty owl]

I’m still running Focus in 2025 😎

[craggy forge]

I am going with this atm, but I am going to swap out memento for Grupo Vigilance Backpack maybe?

[urban latch]

both backpacks are good options

the bonus armor from HB protects vigi from deactivating which is really strong

[craggy forge]

Stats are looking fine?

Why are my targets not getting pulsed with the technician laser?

And how the hell am I only doing 500k hits with full obliterate and full HB stacks? 😄 Is that normal, that it's not hitting that high?

Headshot crits hitting for 482k, is it bcs of armor cores?

[patent fossil]

Most of your cores are blue and you don't have any memento stacks, so it'll be a lot lower than a full red build

[craggy forge]

I see

Memento is only good if u r playing soloright? Cause when teammates kill enemies you don't get any trophies correct?

[patent fossil]

Solo or in a team where you're still getting plenty of kills, yeah

[light grove]

Just as long as you keep the kills coming, and picking up trophies, memento great

[craggy forge]

These as modifiers for this build?

Aren't you able to craft Carbine 7s?

[onyx sage]

nope

[molten sable]

I've been trying to figure out how wasting time and resources on crafting things makes sense. Crafted weapons have less than half the WD of found versions and I haven't found anything that is better if crafted!!???

[fleet inlet]

anyway i can make this better? my chc is 60% and chd is 136%

[hearty owl]

Yes crafting yields lower stats in general with high rolls being rare. However you are guaranteed to get whatever you crafted so if you’re looking for a specific item it can be worth it as opposed to farming for one

Countdown exists now which makes crafting less useful

For example let’s say you wanted a Habsburg bag with Vigilance and HSD/WH lol. Good luck farming that it doesn’t exist! 🤣 🥹

Only took 30k crafts

[fleet inlet]

oh yea i think i farmed for a week and didn't get one

[hearty owl]

Wouldn’t use Turmoil on that. Ninjabike doesn’t really help as you already have 4 pieces of Nego. You’re only getting the Haz Pro from Ceska from running Ninjabike. If you really want to use Ninjabike replace the chest piece with something that has Obliterate

[fleet inlet]

mmmm ok ok ill try that

[hearty owl]

Nego chest is like pretty unrealistic, the bag is insanely OP

Pinned spreadsheet has a Nego guide I think

Nego overall very good gearset 👍 😃

[fleet inlet]

mhm never really used it till now

just got bored and used it and its pretty good

[hearty owl]

@urban gull yes 🙂

[fleet inlet]

i got mine from summit so that would be a good way to get it might take awhile though

@hearty owl but i feel like turmoil would be good cause bewildered talent no?

[hearty owl]

I just think on higher level content it becomes less useful as you need to dump so many mags into a single enemy. It hurts target prioritization in situations where you want to kill let’s say a drone controller as fast as possible

I think it’s best kept on Headhunter builds due to the broken interaction

[fleet inlet]

oh ok i just though it would pair well with the four piece nego set

should i switch ninjabike for a coyote mask?

[hearty owl]

That would be a very good upgrade 🙂

[fleet inlet]

ok ty

[red meadow]

Are there any good sites to look at builds?

[vestal ibex]

This one is great.

[urban gull]

Should I do it? Or will it ruin it ? thx

[vestal ibex]

DTTOOC or nothing.

[rustic pendant]

Just so I can feel sure. If I’m building future initiative support build I shouldn’t feel like I have high damage right? Also for that build I’m using st Elmo’s engine as my exotic gun. Should I be on the lookout for anything else

[vestal ibex]

Your using elmo on a support healer build? Did you reference the pinned spread sheet or are you just slapping something together?

[rustic pendant]

I’m just slapping stuff together. Reading spreadsheets is hard

[vestal ibex]

Well they got pictures too

[rustic pendant]

Listen I got the game like maximum a week ago

Also maybe I forgot the spreadsheet exists

[solar sable]

FI is a support build, used for e.g. Healer builds, so you're not the/one of the main sources of DPS. You're either helping by healing/supporting your team's DPS members.

[rustic pendant]

Just making sure. Came here from Destiny and wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing anything

[vestal ibex]

Well typical support FI runs a setup(named backpack with perfect opportunistic) BTSU and heal hive and chem using scorpio and lefty so you can apply oppo/sledge/scorp damage buff.

[solar sable]

Healer

Red FI

[vestal ibex]

[text for markdowns](long af hyperlink)

[solar sable]

sorry, lil busy

[vestal ibex]

smexy

[solar sable]

there it is

[rustic pendant]

Thx

[eager dock]

why you don't off hdr?

[finite jay]

tf?

[subtle bluff]

Visual bug

[violet juniper]

Just a visual bug. Kinda annoying

[finite jay]

ahok

[kindred nova]

Hey guys, I'm coming back to play for battle for Brooklyn and it has been a couple years since, are these stats good enough to continue on like usual? My headshot crits hit for around 401k with a 2mil DPS. Do I need to farm more to get up to date or will this be fine with the current metas?

[violet juniper]

This is heavily outdated

[kindred nova]

Damn, what needs to change?

[violet juniper]

Depends. Do you want to keep the armour Regen or are you willing to go full damage?

[kindred nova]

I can go full damage

[violet juniper]

ok

Swap the gloves to Contractors gloves. then swap your mask, chest, and holster to Providence brand set

obliterate as chest talent

[kindred nova]

👍

[violet juniper]

you can keep the technician spec for the tech laser and flatline combo, but you'll want to replace that Kingbreaker really fast

any assault rifle with 800+ RPM is best, and obviously one that can fit tech laser.

[kindred nova]

Oh ya? It got nerfed into oblivion?

[violet juniper]

Kingbreaker is just kinda bad

high damage, yeah, but really low RPM and horrific accuracy

the talent is not worth it for how bad the gun is

[kindred nova]

Do I want more crit chance or crit damage on my gloves? I have Grolls for both

[violet juniper]

crit chance is typically better than CHD, but you'll want to hit 50% CHC and 150% CHD at minimum for the best results

I would say go for whatever has the higher roll in your tinkering library

[kindred nova]

I have 51-104 rn

[violet juniper]

is that with your current build?

[kindred nova]

Ya

[violet juniper]

then you're off to a mostly good start

farm 3 pieces of Providence brand gear and that number will go up

[kindred nova]

How good does momento hold up now?

[violet juniper]

It's close to the best exotic in game

[hazy steeple]

I'd argue that it's at least top 3, if not a clear #1.

[violet juniper]

second best exotic gear piece, in my opinion. Dodge City takes number one

it has to go Dodge City, Memento, Coyote Mask imo

[hazy steeple]

The thing about Memento, is that it's good even if you only get the slow buffs.
It's just a damn good piece.

[kindred nova]

Ya that's what I remember

[violet juniper]

the slow buffs make it such a strong all rounder. That 30% skill efficiency is a monstrous buff

[hazy steeple]

NinjaBag wishes it had half of the versatility that Memento has.

[violet juniper]

Can't do 4/4/4 core builds with Memento 🤓

[violet juniper]

it's got that annoying trait that the top exotics do though. It's so good there's nearly no reason to use other gear

[hazy steeple]

You can throw Memento on most builds and it'll rarely make them worse, unless you specifically need the BP Talent, or another Exotic.

[kindred nova]

@violet juniper I have really good prov defense gloves, should I use those or still swap to contractors

[violet juniper]

Contractors, you want the damage to armour

[kindred nova]

Ok

[ember citrus]

is this a decent ar?

[odd ginkgo]

Damage to targets out of cover would be better than headshot damage. What talent is on it?

[strong cave]

Precision Strike. Plays for long distance. It's not a bad talent but it's all dependent on optimal range and accuracy

[strong cave]

It's ass tbh. The fire rate is what makes the gun not all that viable

Anything below 800 RPM isn't worth taking as the burst DPS will be god awful

Aim for these high end AR's:

-P416
-G36C (Caretaker if you have that)
-Famas (Huntsman is okay)
-Carbine 7 (Drill hits pretty good)
-Police M4

Exotics:

-St. Elmo's Engine (loot pool)
-Eagle Bearer (DZ/Dark Hours raid)
-Chameleon (loot pool)
-Strega (loot pool, there's better options tho)

[ember citrus]

thank you for the feedback and the recs as well i appreciate that !

[strong cave]

Top DPS talents rn are Strained, Optimist, Killer. The first 2 attributes to AR's are always WD/Health Damage. Try to roll for the talent needed (mentioned above) and slap DTOC on it or find one with DTOC and roll the talent

[ember citrus]

Will do!!

[violet juniper]

Strained, Measured, Killer

sorry to be a bit nitpicky

[odd ginkgo]

Strained measured killer sounds like an anal retentive hitman. 😂

[violet juniper]

happy hitman

I made a hotshot build on my partners account (SHD 74) and I'm reliably hitting 23 million with crappy rolls lmao

Build needs work, but as a starting point I can already clear solo heroic

[subtle bluff]

Like I said doesn't take a lot for Hotshot to do good dmg. If you can make going M700 Carbon maybe nicer and easier to use with a bigger mag and that it's a actually mag.

[subtle bluff]

Optimist isn't top anymore.

[violet juniper]

I think the hotshot bonus kinda negates the mag size. 3 kills and you get a free reload

[subtle bluff]

True has long has you hit ya!

[violet juniper]

No enemy should take more than 3 shots at maximum on hotshot

obvious exception for bosses and such, but I don't think you'd use a hotshot build for legendary bosses or raid bosses.

[subtle bluff]

What Nem is used for

[strong cave]

I'm a PvPer so I'm biased saying optimist

[subtle bluff]

Meh measured then

[strong cave]

Only on umbra, least for me

[hoary valve]

any good builds with these guns?

[strong cave]

First 2 yes, rest hell no

Also, LLJW 💔 LF999

[hoary valve]

the bighorn and chameleon?

[strong cave]

Correct

[kindred nova]

What are the best assault rifles for dps builds?

[solar sable]

↑

[odd ginkgo]

I've got a rifle DPS build I use Diamondback with. It's not a great build, but I enjoy it.

[hoary valve]

sure

[grim haven]

is it just me or has everyone else been getting disconnected a lot t oday?

[solar sable]

I wonder if that's a build

[odd ginkgo]

If there is a random disconnect build, that is one I will avoid.

[hoary valve]

i can i try it?

[odd ginkgo]

I think this is my actual build. You don't need that blue attribute, it's just what I had on hand. I should probably tweak it. This was an early build when I was sub 1k SHD.

It's a very squishy build.

Here is a slightly refined version.

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKtAsA2EAGFbUfegXGAnOFDIQKwAcWmVl2koE09ICJlb1yurDxH77XQo358OuODGjDRInMEg84rYGAkqkK5WADsA4GQkQy0bqBmcVu1CRMwKCUNtG5s5nG4xA

[subtle bluff]

👀

[subtle bluff]

This is a standard HE DPS build.

[subtle bluff]

Post it like this isn't the greatest. You can just take pic of your build itself

[subtle bluff]

Gonna pointed you at the Pinned Messages and in the GDoc there a lot of good info and builds.

[limpid ocean]

Should i change anything?

[subtle bluff]

Don't use HF Chest.

HF Chest isn't good, the BP can be used but very rarely not.

[cosmic oyster]

What are the maximum stats are for all the smart cover mods now? I had 1 "damage to targets out of cover" mod that was 7% but it went down to 4% after this Tuesday update.

[compact pawn]

Might be 5% now although I'm pretty sure I crafted a 5% dttooc mod, it said 5%, but then when looking at it in the mod menu, it says 4% but the bar isn't fully maxed out, so maybe it rounded it down or something.

[cosmic oyster]

Thank you! It's strange how you were given 2 different values at the end!

[hoary valve]

i heard the st elmo’s engine good?

[solar sable]

It's great for its big mag and recoil control, shock rounds are also good
But it's not the best AR*

[subtle bluff]

What makes something the best in div2?

[hoary valve]

😮

[finite jay]

are there any anti headshot builds?

[solar sable]

defender drone I'd say

[small igloo]

The gun that you can reliably hit your targets with regardless of what the next player says.😉

[astral kraken]

if they're burning they can't aim at you

[shy willow]

Which is why people tend to run hazpro on headshot regen setups

[hazy steeple]

Say what now.

Oh PvP.

[astral kraken]

they just said headshot not hazpro headshot 😂

[odd ginkgo]

I can, but will I?

[subtle bluff]

I mean you were trying to share it. We can't see what you posted.
I don't care if you don't.

[odd ginkgo]

I was sharing it for someone who wanted to try it. If they can't read it, I will take a screenshot.

[lapis stratus]

So is there any builds that can utilize ouroboros or its just a fancy statstick

[subtle bluff]

Strikers and HF

[lapis stratus]

fancy statstick for builds like Striker,Heartbreaker and HF

[subtle bluff]

no

You just named 3 of the 4 dps builds..

[lapis stratus]

Yeah I mean is there a build that can consistently proc the exotic effect or its basically a statstick gun if you cant

[onyx sage]

the talent can be completely ignored

[odd ginkgo]

What does "stackstick" mean?

[onyx sage]

it's just a stat stick as you call it

[subtle bluff]

I was confused...

[onyx sage]

he probably meant stat stick which he said the next time around

but it means it doesn't require much interactivity to work, i.e. it's strong because of the stats it has

[subtle bluff]

I thought he meant stack stick

[hazy steeple]

I read "stack stick" as "go into the ACS slot, but also need a regular gun to deal DPS"

Ouro can be both on its own.

[onyx sage]

i thought that too but then he mentioned HF and it doesn't really make sense there

[lapis stratus]

MB i really mean the literal statstick

[odd ginkgo]

I thought it might be a stick, to poke stats with.

[hazy steeple]

What statstick would you need on HF?

[onyx sage]

stat stick is common lingo in games like this

just means something is strong because it simply has higher stats

[hazy steeple]

That's not what statstick means everywhere.

in WF, it meant a weapon that you use entirely because it gained you a background stat, without having to actually use it.

[onyx sage]

ah ok

[hazy steeple]

So in div2, the equivalent would be pulling out the TDI Kard to use for a skill, then never actually firing it.

[onyx sage]

but yeah in this case, you can completely ignore the talent

the weapon is good because of the rpm and the mods it has, not because of the talent

[subtle bluff]

what do you mean by this...

We don't use that term here so.

[lapis stratus]

Fair enough,my brain just went statstick because to me other than the stats,Im not really sure how to take advantage of the effect to the fullest,unles its really the case of if you proc it then yeah but dont bother trying to consistently build around to proc it

[twin anchor]

what builds should i aim for when getting into raids?

[lapis stratus]

And yeah im thinking more of the MMO term for it,specifically where some games its really just there for stats like FFXIV

Anyway thanks for the info

[vague thunder]

hey guys, im looking for some dz build that mostly for solo play.

anyone got any advice on what to farm?

[patent fossil]

The spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages here has a raid build guide. Generally you start off in dps roles.

[subtle bluff]

Meh. Not many builds are built around just one thing.

[astral kraken]

for armor on kill to work you gotta kill stuff

[subtle bluff]

HF and Menento already does this idea the best.

[astral kraken]

Palisade isn't the worst. Combine it with the Gunner specialization and you get 20% AoK. But that chest piece is just bad. Health is a wasted attribute and armor regen is not % based so it's also pretty useless. And the chest talent is not good.

Generally Palisade is run as a holster/gloves/knees when you have nothing really good to put there. You can keep the core blue but the attributes need to be CHC/CHD.

So basically take any crit based red build and throw in Palisade with CHC/CHD attributes and you're good.

Then replace Palisade with a piece that gives you more damage and notice that Palisade was pretty meh.

It really only makes sense for crit builds. You could maybe do a headshot based bighorn AR build but the same thing applies there: take any red damage build and swap in Palisade in place of the least useful item.

I'd start with deciding what kind of build you're looking for. Weapon damage, skill damage, buffing teammates, healing, crowd control, etc.

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's more crit.

[astral kraken]

i think for that you need a build list:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?usp=sharing

[strong cave]

DZ viable actually. Get stacks up while doing landmarks and you'll get decent performance out of it. It will be tricky to play since umbra requires being in cover time to time to get your CHD stacks back up. Memento favors run n gun. There's caveats but it can be useful. This is just my 2 cents for pvp tho 😂 PvE go with ceska Vigi bag or unstoppable force + coyote

[violet juniper]

"tryhard" build

Reddit at its finest 💀

[subtle bluff]

I know it is. I thought he wanted more PvE builds.

[barren tartan]

For stirker set which would be better
Memento or Coyote?

[versed summit]

generally memento for solo and coyote for group.

Coyote is better if you had to pick one though

[barren tartan]

I have to Pick one bc you can Play with only one exotic

[versed summit]

well you can have 2 loadouts/builds one being for memento and one being for coyote's, so you could use one while solo and the other while grouped. I'm not saying to use them both at once.

[barren tartan]

Sounds good. Now i only need to get them

[versed summit]

challenging countdown is your friend hehe

[barren tartan]

Im playing 10th floor legendary

[versed summit]

that works too

[barren tartan]

With all directives

[versed summit]

well as long as you can do it fast enough to be worth it

[barren tartan]

It is fast enough

[violet juniper]

uh... That's a wild take

Coyote is not better than Memento

[versed summit]

It's better for grouped and solo play then memento is

[violet juniper]

Coyote is better than Memento in solo play?

[versed summit]

memento is better for solo, but is way less competitive in groups

[violet juniper]

I agree it suffers slightly in groups, but that's a simple remedy of get more kills

[versed summit]

or just do more damage with coyote's

also it buffs your team on top of that

[violet juniper]

Memento outdamages Coyote to a significant degree lmao

[versed summit]

except you lose te striker backpack

so it doesn't

[patent fossil]

Coyote + a decent backpack talent will outdamage memento

[violet juniper]

In the context of striker Coyote is the better choice. anywhere else, Memento is the clear winner

[versed summit]

Ongoing Directive?

[violet juniper]

I'm sticking with Memento

extra skill tier for decoy

I use Backfire on OD so crit isn't as important

[versed summit]

for solo sure, but grouped it's not worth the loss

[quartz ermine]

ultimately it depends on preference

[astral kraken]

i think memento being bad in groups is way overblown. i've used it in groups a lot and had no problem collecting trophies. it just depends on the group. if you are with a cracked group of killers then yea it falls off... but how often does that happen?

[patent fossil]

Memento gives all weapon damage, which is additive with red cores and other sources. Bag talents can give total weapon damage, which is a separate multiplier.

Well, potentially additive with weapon or chest talents but much less diminished in general

[violet juniper]

Memento ultimately isn't about the red buff

[astral kraken]

yes this. stronger shield, stronger skills.

[patent fossil]

^

[violet juniper]

It's the 30% skill efficiency, 3% armour regen, and the bonus armour that makes it strong

being able to get up to 60% damage increase on an all red build is a nice bonus too lmao

[astral kraken]

part of the problem is people run memento with 6 blues and then wonder why they can't collect trophies

[patent fossil]

It's a great and versatile piece, yes, but it's not top damage, and how useful those other buffs are depends on content, playstyle, and group

[astral kraken]

must be memento, thats the problem lol

[violet juniper]

it's got one red core so I must do damage 💀

[astral kraken]

if only bonus armor could kill...

[violet juniper]

I'll admit, I run HF. Memento and chatterbox are the core pieces of my build lmao

My play style is primarily within 10 meters of an NPC

[versed summit]

and that's why coyote's is better IMO. The damage is just more valuable then the utility you get from memento once you're in a group.

[violet juniper]

on striker

You're not gonna convince me in any capacity that coyote is better than Memento when it straight up is not

[patent fossil]

Then look at solo legendary runs and see how many of them use memento. It's content dependent.

[violet juniper]

Solo legendary is not something I care about

I'm never going to attempt it, so why should I lol

[versed summit]

literally Ongoing Directive, ND, umbra, high end, etc.

Hunter's Fury is literally the only place it's better

[violet juniper]

Memento Umbra is better, high end umbra is better, OD admittedly not

[patent fossil]

Often, killing things as fast as possible is the best approach in the toughest content. So blanket statements like this ^ are only accurate within the content you play, they're not universal truths.

[violet juniper]

Please tell me why a crit focused piece is useful on umbra lmao

[versed summit]

because it's still the highest damage option

[violet juniper]

Umbra is about weapon damage so the crit can actually have an effect

[versed summit]

you're overestimating the diminishing returns

[violet juniper]

If you want more crit on Umbra run backfire

[versed summit]

that's irrelevant

[violet juniper]

highest damage option is crit right? Run backfire

[versed summit]

it's just more damage, specifically when factoring in the combination with a HE backpack talent

[versed summit]

highest damage option is striker.

[violet juniper]

We're talking about umbra

[hasty sluice]

Ironically using memento in skill builds even in a group is quite good. Extra damage for capacitor + 30% good stuff for skills is quite useful. It isnt the best since it can be a slow start. Running force muli can get a bit boring.

[versed summit]

we're not talking about backfire either

[violet juniper]

It's 30% skill efficiency

[hasty sluice]

30% good stuff

[violet juniper]

Facts

[hasty sluice]

my friends had to explain skill efficiency too many times so we just call it Good stuff^ TM

[versed summit]

lmao

[hearty owl]

Did I just read that memento on Umbra is best in slot??

[versed summit]

just close your eyes bb

[hearty owl]

😭

[peak cloud]

I just will patiently wait for a tinkerer. High end with a boomerang+flatlined, yes please.

[hearty owl]

It’s not 60% dmg increase btw it goes into All Weapon Damage so it’s A LOT less than that on a full red build

3% armor regen on a full red build is saving you from what exactly

[astral kraken]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AXuOJLJnuwpIXfu8NHgJjmo5918RHalNSgO9gfczE5Q/edit?usp=sharing

bottom 3

-27% dps with 0 stacks, -19% dps with full stacks, -11% dps with full stacks + 2 short term stacks

so to offset the dps loss you have to collect trophies mid-fight but this comparison is all red

no blues except for memento

[versed summit]

afaik, the damage from the short term buff only applies once, you don't get extra damage from picking up multiple at a time. Could be wrong.

[violet juniper]

It refreshes duration as far as I know, but picks up bonus armour

[versed summit]

yes

[hearty owl]

I mean no point in comparing DPS since like they said Memento is not about the red buff lol. As soon as you start caring about survivability there isn’t a point in maximizing damage

[astral kraken]

well the point is whether or not the dps trade is worth it

to decide that you need to know how much you're losing compared to coyote

[violet juniper]

isn't maximizing damage just striker+coyote+GC+backpack

[astral kraken]

it's gift+sacrifice+striker

[violet juniper]

not gift

[astral kraken]

yes gift. it's in the spreadsheet too.

[hearty owl]

He literally mathed it out

[violet juniper]

it's nice if you can get it but not better than striker backpack

[astral kraken]

technically ceska+gc/grupo+vig is a teeny tiny bit better

[versed summit]

well technically it's coyote+vigi and 4 pc striker, but it doesn't really matter

[violet juniper]

4pc striker with BP, ceska GC and Coyote

that's what I would've thought would be tippy top

[versed summit]

it's not

[loud pine]

yellow umbra is top

[hearty owl]

Vigi is giving you an amp lol

[astral kraken]

actually i'll it real quick for funsies

the memento comparison needs to be deleted anyway lul

[violet juniper]

NBB 5pc improv lmao

[astral kraken]

it's 2nd best

3% diff from glass/vig

assuming mid range coyote buff of course

Also... the absolute best is still Sacrifice+Gift+Striker. Even if Ceska+Glass/Grupo+Vig is 0.3% better. Reason is that Sacrifice+Gift is double Providence and it gives you 13% HSD.

So if you're landing headshots (which you should be) then you'll be doing more damage.

And when you're not landing headshots you're only losing 0.3%.

[violet juniper]

Welcome back Bighorn meta

[analog raptor]

Does hunter's fury debuff trigger Catalyst proc?

[violet juniper]

Yes

[analog raptor]

interesting :D, ty

[violet juniper]

disorient is a status effect. WAIT CATALYST?

I hadn't thought of that

[analog raptor]

yeah I'm starting to theory craft something with backfire, HFury and Catalyst. If you guys have ideas, let's brainstorm 😉

[violet juniper]

Backfire is good with HF because of the AOK and HF bonuses

now i think about it it's actually a pretty good synergy with catalyst because of the self bleed confirming the buff

[analog raptor]

yeah i'm putting the pieces together to go confirm the debuff sinergy too. let's keep in touch

[analog raptor]

hooo, it's working as we were expecting! beautiful and not even close from optimized

[violet juniper]

It's an interesting one lol

[unreal leaf]

strikers with pestilence? i dont have st elmo's or eagle bearer, currently using chameleon

i do not have turmoil knees though.

[onyx sage]

don't need turmoil with it, but it's decent

[finite jay]

will this work for a skill pvp build

[narrow bough]

Did anyone else created a rifle biased build? I put together two pieces of Breaking Point, one Ceska, Fox Prayers and two pieces of Zwiedadowska (or whatever that is lol) and with UIC MOD2. It is not meta at all but does a great job even when clearing 4 control point levels.

Any other tips for niche type of builds like that?

[unreal leaf]

chameleon better than pestilence for strikers then? id have to regear to boost lmg but that is no issue. just kind of bored of the same build

[onyx sage]

nope

[unreal leaf]

kk ill move some things around and see how it plays thanks

[verbal gust]

This is the way. Put undetermined on your rifle and headhunter on your chest and go for Headshots youl clear cp4 much better. I use vindicator and headhunter but I mean I’ve been debating on trying to get a decent rifle better than the 1886. lol

[narrow bough]

I am struggling with headshots since the enemies have epileptic micro animations to be honest. I found that frustrating since they just cannot stand still for a split second. I also like the boomerang talent a lot.

[tough haven]

Does any 1 have a link to a good upto date bleed build ?

[violet juniper]

don't use turmoil

[unreal leaf]

coyote still?

[violet juniper]

where did this myth come from that pestilence works with turmoil?

[unreal leaf]

oh my bad, turmoil isnt exotic

i might have the name wrong, the easter event kneepads

[violet juniper]

Yurp. Turmoil is good if you run a sniper or pistol build so you can double dip

[violet juniper]

Yeah, that's turmoil, DW lol

[unreal leaf]

running pesti with strikers would it be better to use the chest piece and backpack, or just backpack? im using a just general strikers build i vaguely followed

id think the chest piece too because of bigger magazine size ?

[violet juniper]

just the backpack

[unreal leaf]

and then the yellow that boost lmg damage ?

[violet juniper]

it's best to run the chest in content where you know you're gonna keep those stacks up. Legendary, etc.

[narrow bough]

So i put everywhere headshot damage and determined with chainkiller. Yeah i can one tap red enemies, sadly control points have all yellows and unless i will be only shooting heads, the combination feels really weak mainly for UIC MOD2.

[unreal leaf]

makes sense.

[violet juniper]

no yellow. Run the stereotypical striker build, so ceska chest and coyote mask

[unreal leaf]

gotcha. gonna give it a try, thank you.

[eager viper]

Been away. Not much of a PVP person but want to change up the pace a bit and do some DZ. Am I on the right path?

[violet juniper]

As long as those rolls are hazpro and headshot, you should be fine

[eager viper]

Arm regen and HS

But I think I can change most of the blue to Hazpro

[vocal dune]

Do weapon talents count for all my weapons?

[hazy steeple]

@vocal dune Just for the equipped weapon it's on.

e.g. Fast Hands only works on that specific gun.

[violet juniper]

Oh man.

this guy is insistent that his build is better than normal striker backfire setup

[vocal dune]

aw ok 😦

[analog raptor]

chestpiece makes takes longer for striker to come online. I prefer obliterate and then striker backpack Vs memento is debatable. depends on the activity i'd say

[violet juniper]

It's more that he's using NBB lmao

[analog raptor]

sorry what's NBB?

[violet juniper]

Ninjabike Messenger Bag

otherwise known as the noob trap

[analog raptor]

ho shit right, I assumed it was memento :D. yeah no. I don't believe his build is stronger

he clearly didn't try the others 😄

[onyx sage]

just ask him how much he crits for at max stacks and no team buffs

if it doesn't crit for more than 1.6mil then it clearly doesn't beat it

[violet juniper]

is that how much the optimal set up crits for?

do you have a screenshot I can use? will help a lot lol

[onyx sage]

i don't have one but either souless has one or i can find from ikia

[violet juniper]

if you could, it'd be real helpful

[onyx sage]

f it let me just get on the game

[vestal ibex]

I mean I have the one I think is best.

[onyx sage]

i only use eagle + coyote for mine so i'll post that but post yours too

[vestal ibex]

This is bleed immune with the haz pro modi and once you've killed blues to have it stacked.

Full solo first try Lincoln run with it.

[onyx sage]

this is with striker bp + chest max stacks + firewall shield

[violet juniper]

This is with or without modifiers?

[onyx sage]

expertise 16 vs 13 from the guy so keep that in mind but not that different

no modifiers

[violet juniper]

either way, perfect screenshots, thanks a bunch both you guys

[vestal ibex]

Yeah over 2 mil should be easy with expertise, last season with no modifiers or team buffs I was like 1.99 or something.

Idk about these backfire builds tho, in real play you feel the first world problems of strikers too much and your striker stacks just don't build. I'm almost wondering if non stacking builds would see better average damage over missions at this point.

[onyx sage]

i'm thinking obli might actually be more practical in day to day

first thought did go to gc but idk with the bleed

[violet juniper]

Why not try OD?

would eliminate the stack problem

[onyx sage]

yeah but then you have backfire itself needing stacks

that plus sadist is just too good

[violet juniper]

HF Memento?

[onyx sage]

works

[violet juniper]

Over striker chest? Definitely

There's not much chance of keeping those added stacks up in normal play

[vestal ibex]

I mean even on 100 stacks I noticed my stacks not building cause the amount of bullets needed to kill vs how many stacks I was degrading meant a net loss. Would rather not need to stack up every other room.

[astral kraken]

you guys are really gonna make me grade a backfire aren't you

[analog raptor]

yeah I agree, obli is better. Quicker ramp up of damage

[vestal ibex]

I mean I made a bleed immune with modifier buffs and it's still too much damage for stack once and fly thru.

[civic coral]

is ceska chest really that hard to find? or am i just being unlucky, done like 5 countdown matches now and seen every piece but the chest

[violet juniper]

have.. you set it as targeted loot?

[dire fjord]

what is the best melee build??

[vestal ibex]

RNG do be like dat

[violet juniper]

no melee build

[civic coral]

ofc, thats why i said ive gotten every other ceska piece but the chest

[violet juniper]

If you're looking to actually kill people with melee then just use Sweet Dreams

[violet juniper]

then it's just RNG. unlucky, but it happens. Keep trying

[dire fjord]

nah i just wanted to see if there were any

[civic coral]

ight, just wanted to make sure im not forgetting something

[violet juniper]

You can try shocker Punch or Lady Death + Claws Out

[formal kraken]

Strikers for Pakhan?

[vestal ibex]

Strikers the world man.

[dreamy valve]

The right chest and backpack brand pieces can be hard to find since the gear needs to drop both the minor attributes AND the talent you want

It gets even harder if you want to recalibrate the core attribute

[civic coral]

i just did another run and it got it from the first drop xd, and just got a 2nd chest @violet juniper

[dreamy valve]

I’ve only had several Ceska chest pieces that dropped with CHD/CHC and then Obliterate naturally

Cause I want to change the core attribute

And each new season introduces new gear and talent to the loot drop pool, making Countdown even more valuable and just about the only chance of getting the gear you want at a reasonable pace

[civic coral]

exactly yea

[dreamy valve]

Countdown might as well be the main game at this point! 😭

[dim stump]

It’s All we have for a good farm

Waiting for the divison 3 though

[violet juniper]

@onyx sage

[onyx sage]

sup

[violet juniper]

On this build, with modifiers it hits for 1.2 million crit, non headshot

[onyx sage]

looks pretty good

with intimidate up or no?

[violet juniper]

with assault link it jumps to about 1.4

[violet juniper]

intimidate up too

[onyx sage]

yeah looks good

[violet juniper]

it should do a bit more damage, but I'm not fully optimised, which would explain

The weird thing is, if I use Chatterbox I can get up to 1.1 million, with a lot more RPM

I'm being gaslighted lmao

[astral kraken]

omg i literally am testing this right now

[onyx sage]

the mpx base got nerfed a while ago which explains it

[violet juniper]

omg

[violet juniper]

It's my favorite build lol

should I use Obliterate instead of intim? I know intim does more damage but it's reliant on me getting a kill first

[astral kraken]

omg

[onyx sage]

i would go obli tbh, you do a bit less but as you said it doesn't grief you as much

[urban latch]

intimidate is pretty inconsistent. You get nothing if you dont have bonus armor, it has to stack up, and that 10m range is short

[violet juniper]

I'll see what I can do

[astral kraken]

i can see why everyone likes this thing but the bleed effect is anoooyyyyiiinnggg

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well with 50% bleed resist and the 7.5% haz pro modifier thingy you'll be immune.

It's why I went 2 pc ceska+3 10% bleed mods.

If you die you'll need to stack up on your blues for the modifiers tho.

[astral kraken]

ill suffer anything for more damage

[violet juniper]

HF AoK and Memento sorts that issue

[vestal ibex]

Options yo.

The slow and screen effect is what most don't like.

[astral kraken]

it's more the slow thing

[onyx sage]

4p foundry with crusader shield to regen!

[violet juniper]

with my build I get 30% AoK so I don't really feel the bleed, plus it has that weird thing where you don't bleed at 100 stacks

[violet juniper]

yeah.. that is annoying

[vestal ibex]

10% aok you don't notice the bleed.

[astral kraken]

yea once it gets going its not a problem. just that initial slow is frustrating b/c that's when i'm pushing the room.

[violet juniper]

seeing as I have all you numbers guys here, what would OD be like with Lady Death? It's just popped into my head

Vigi, OD with Chest, 70% amp from Lady Death

it's tempting me quite badly

[vestal ibex]

I mean those are all normal items ez to build.

My guess is it'll do fine in solo or duo then start to fall off.

[astral kraken]

i will say this. running that gun with striker makes no dang sense at all. now i can see why all the backfire guys are getting downed constantly.

with hf it's perfect since you can push mobs

[violet juniper]

Run glass cannon for optimal damage

does Backfire self bleed even get affected by GC/PGC?

[astral kraken]

or they're stacking a bunch of blue cores and undoing w/e gains the gun is giving them

[violet juniper]

Isn't that the whole thing with hazpro builds?

you rely on the gun to make up for the loss of damage

[astral kraken]

i dunno, never ran one

maybe it's b/c modifiers are offsetting the blue core stuff

[vestal ibex]

Yeah cause they give you 7.5% haz pro.

The thing I'm using to get bleed immune on mine is only because of that.

[astral kraken]

I was thinking more about how a red striker just isn't consistently survivable in CQB. You need the CC from HF to live long enough around mobs. That would explain why so many YT videos (and builds I'm seeing that copied them) are running so many blues on the striker builds. And then to offset the damage loss they run Assault Link to regain some (not all) of the lost weapon damage.

But Assault Link has a cooldown so... that's where I think they're dying so much. They don't have the buff so damage is meh and even with blues they can't deal with all the aggro.

[urban gull]

hmmm what does that mean pls?

[solar sable]

DMG to Target out of Cover

[dreamy valve]

They need other sources of survivability besides just blue cores if they are engaging in close range with strikers

Having more survivability layers will give them enough time to ramp up Backfire and getting Memento to max stacks

[eager viper]

Can always use bloodsucker BP to gain armor back with striker.

[vestal ibex]

99.9% of your weapons you want damage to targets out of cover, dat deeetoc baby.

[dreamy valve]

Bloodsucker won’t be enough, especially with this seasons enemy buffs

[eager viper]

Can pair it with a weapon with preservation? What ever talent gives armor back

[vestal ibex]

Backfire kinda yeah.... Uhhh did you read what this convo is about?

[astral kraken]

None of that is going to be fast enough. Any % bonus armor talents aren't giving a red build much.

[dreamy valve]

Tokes is probably a new player, in which case I’m framing my opinions based off of Heroic difficulty with global modifiers on in a 4 player scaled content

It’s a bit of a relief they nerfed the enemy damage reduction buff though

That plus the Ragers directive just made missions take even longer to finish. This season has really exemplified the meaning of bullet sponge for Division

[violet juniper]

NGL Preservation is fast

2 headshot kills is 60% of your armour with the standard talent

[dreamy valve]

One issue I see with preservation is that it takes up a damage talent for your weapon, and it’s another on kill proc. We might see something come out of survivability talents once Tinkerer is unlocked

[violet juniper]

The only thing I'm doing with Tinkerer is a Double Barrel HHF build

[dreamy valve]

W-wait that’s my idea too 🥹

[hazy hull]

Builds shreds through heroic

[vestal ibex]

Welcome to almost anything you put together.

[peak yarrow]

what is the difference between virtuoso and striker?
what is the best build for dps? VIrtuoso or Striker?

[onyx sage]

striker, virtuoso's buff is less and it's way harder to proc the buffs

[hearty owl]

Shhh we need more powercreep 😈

[hazy hull]

All that needs to be done now is that sweet 1k SHD LEVEL

[hazy steeple]

@hazy hull There's a x5 SHD XP coming up soon-ish, just an FYI.

[hazy hull]

I know I plan to grind it like no tomorrow

Priority ops non stop

[civic coral]

lets say i want to get a ceska chest with perfect/max stats, ill have to look for one with all the attributes i want, then calibrate it to have obliterate on it, then max out all the attributes using optimization right?

but to max the attributes using optimization ill most likely need to max out my blueprints if im not mistaken, which will still take a very long time

[urban latch]

Or find one with obliterate and one of the minor attributes your looking for

Optimizing uses your revalidation library, not exactly blueprints. Basically when you get gear that has max/high rolls but not the ones you'd want for a build, you can donate them to the library to use for tinkering in the future.

[civic coral]

yea but optimizing costs a lot of high end materials which for me are very rare still, i thought i saw someone say having the blueprint for those will help out a lot

[dreamy valve]

Now, which weapon/skill shall receive the prestige level 30 expertise next….

[half cosmos]

what do u guys think of this?

[astral kraken]

no that doesn't take long. all you need to do is go into countdown with chests as the targeted loot. it wont take long to find max attributes for everything.

[civic coral]

i meant getting the blueprints part

[astral kraken]

you dont need blueprints for that

[civic coral]

im only at like 70 unlocked blyueprints

[astral kraken]

blueprints are for crafting

you really dont need to be crafting right now

[civic coral]

yes, crafting the special materials

[astral kraken]

oh... eh... i wouldn't worry about that

even if your chest attributes aren't max rolls it'll be good enough

[civic coral]

ah bet

[astral kraken]

eventually you'll have enough to optimize

also what you described (recalibrating the talent and optimizing the attributes) is the correct thing to go for

because let's say next patch obliterate isn't meta anymore... you can just recalibrate the talent again

and still have a chest with max optimized attributes

[kindred nova]

Is this worth keeping? I'll give it obliterate but then I'll be missing out on 12% crit damage

[onyx sage]

it's not ideal, but if you're trying to farm for a double crit ceska with obli then you can keep it for now while you keep farming

[kindred nova]

Is countdown still meta for farming?

[onyx sage]

yes

[tranquil wave]

well not really after the patch when materials got like 5x buff

[inner rock]

coyote still better than 50% magsize, 20% rpm and 20% wep dmg?

for most builds?

[finite jay]

how well does the jammer puls work in DZ/pvp

[strong cave]

I mean, if you really want a hazpro build, take 2 PC ceska. Roll for WD/Hazpro/CHD. Backpack talent I'd recommend to be Bloodsucker. For more damage, unstoppable force. Ceska chest piece of course, same attributes. Talent can be Obliterate or Glass cannon. 4 PC hunters fury with Hazpro as sub attributes. 1 bleed resistant mod at SHD 1k will make you fully bleed immune. The other mod slots will be CHD

But at that rate you may as well just run an entirely different gun. I play with a striker/Glass Cannon variant. Super difficult to play. The hazpro is nice tho

[strong cave]

On PC, not all that well. The only builds that are good with it is a glass cannon/vile skill build that does tick damage. It's not worth taking in my opinion

Most used pvp skills are:

+Sticky - any variant

+Decoy

+Hive - Booster/Stinger. Healer if you're a healer

+Drone - Defender or Spotter

+Seeker - Specifically the Explosive

+Chem Launcher - Foam. Occasionally will see fire chem. Healer chem if a healer

+Shield - firewall (shotgun popshot), or bulwark (regulus)

+Banshee/Scanner pulse

(Info dump ik but trying to be helpful)

[finite jay]

@strong cave thank you

[sharp smelt]

Do anyone have an build for an healer build

[strong cave]

Fortified smart cover has some uses, good for snagging quick bonus armor as you use Firewall kits

[strong cave]

Which content? PvE or PvP?

[sharp smelt]

PvE

[strong cave]

I can hook you up, gimme a moment. I've got a template

[sharp smelt]

Thanks

[honest moss]

4 piece f.i, the setup and btsu gloves 👍

[strong cave]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/eFkoXJcC

[strong cave]

If you can't get Setup Backpack to drop with Repair/Haste, change to Technician. Alternatively, run an Alps Summit backpack with Opportunistic. Works the same, just gives the team slightly less damage

[honest moss]

Also instead of chem you can run smart cover for extra boosts

[strong cave]

Not a smart idea, people like to run shields and that will eat charges. Stick with a healer chem. Only during bosses would you run smart cover

[subtle bluff]

Um but then OC is more OP for bosses.

[subtle bluff]

Above

[strong cave]

Hardly anyone plays cover unless instructed in raids to do so

[sharp smelt]

Thanks guys

[honest moss]

Plenty of people play cover, not everyone is constantly running shields. It is an optional thing, never said you had too. Has worked fine for me in standard heroic stuff.

[verbal gust]

How do people regen so fast in the dz ima show my build I have headshot dmg and regen all over

[strong cave]

Regen should be sitting at about 105k no? Max rolls ofc

[verbal gust]

Hold on stats incoming

[strong cave]

I still fail to see where smart cover will be beneficial unless in raid settings or where you have to play in one specific area. You're trading a form of long distance healing for a skill that is mandatory to play in cover. I agree, yes, smart cover is good to use on these builds. However, it's not just shields that eat repair hives. It's also other people's skills, like drones and turrets and other hives. The main PvE skills a vast majority use. If my healer hive got ate up because Ads are targeting someone's tier 0 turret and I don't have OC, that makes my healer role useless and I may as well just be dead. You can't count on 100% hive uptime nor for people to play cover

[verbal gust]

I was just in a raid actually did dark hours

[nocturne jasper]

@verbal gust do you have a 1 shot Ravanouse build for um iron horse

[verbal gust]

Mines sitting at 100k plus and I still get melted

[strong cave]

How many stacks is their catharsis usually at? Bighorn stacks matter too. Plus expertise. Consider cheating to be a thing too

[strong cave]

Ravenous can't 1 shot but there's builds for it. I think DJ Tickle showcased one on YT. Might be outdated tho

[verbal gust]

Yes I’m at 12 exp on gear

I’m 30 exp overall tho

Cheating on Xbox is a thing?

[strong cave]

Precision smart cover id argue would be perfect to take for Boomer. Same with razorback. Buddy/Lucy is an easy 1 shot with the right build (which I have)

[strong cave]

Cheat devices can still be used, yes

[verbal gust]

I got a dttooc mod maxed for it I crafted

How is the regen build in conflict tho? Ima bout to try it

Maybe 8 more upgrades on gear get everything to 20 exp up and il go I guess

[strong cave]

Regen bighorn is a dominant meta for all pvp

For my sys Corr build, I set it at 20 expertise. I'm not dumping any more into it. My guns for sure I'll go to 30. I need to put more time in for bighorn builds bc I'm straight cheeks with bighorn rn. Relying way too much on crits

[verbal gust]

My bighorn at 21

[strong cave]

Highest expertise gun I have rn is my EB at 24%

Tempted to make a video showcasing all my pvp builds and my PvE builds 🤔

[strong cave]

Oh btw since you only get 2 kits in conflict, USE THEM WISELY. Don't spam insta kits too much

[verbal gust]

Yeah I noticed that lol by accident 🤣

[strong cave]

I should've warned you 😭 I think everyday carrier is on a 5s cooldown for instant kits. Basically sys Corr for Regen builds 😂

[jaunty citrus]

I was cracking caches, and came across one that said stamina. It gave 4pieces of foundry bulwark, zero f's, a badger tuff mask, and a scorpio. What is this build supposed to do?

[solar sable]

not being able to kill

[jaunty citrus]

Ya, I was confused about this. Like its a full loadout, but what is it even supposed to do? It looks like the game was making some kind of weird tank build.

[strong cave]

Keep Scorpio if you don't have it. Rest of it just junk

[strong cave]

That's because it is a tank build. Tank builds by nature are cheeks

[solar sable]

hey fiftys, do you have a template for an Iron Lung pvp build?

[strong cave]

I actually do, I'll name it off

3 PC golan
Tardigrade
1 PC Uzina Getica
1 PC Gila

Specialist: firewall
Armor/Crits everywhere.
Skill 1 - defender
Skill 2 - booster hive

Gun 1 - iron lung (duh)
Gun 2 - Lexington
Sidearm - Kard TDI with sledge

2.2m armor, crits of upwards of 250k, and Regen + Status with Golan. Plus armor benefits. You're an anchor for yourself and the team

If you want, slap it on a ninjabike umbra build. Will melt people, literally. Go for armor tho

[solar sable]

sweet
I was aiming to make two pvp builds just in case I need to go there

[hasty sluice]

How impactful is armor expertise in pvp?

[strong cave]

My Tardi template works for group play best, typically conflict and dz groups. For solo, go umbra

[solar sable]

Oh mind sharing that umbra ninja too?

[strong cave]

Depends on the setup. For Sys Corr, it helps immensely. I can take a 3b3r setup and get near 1.6m

[strong cave]

Ninjabike, 3 PC umbra, Walker Harris, Picaros. You can slot off Picaros for Contractors if you want. I run mine with 1.6m armor and can still shred people easily

[hasty sluice]

Im only expertise 11 😭

[solar sable]

tysm

[hasty sluice]

@strong cave im stealing your pvp setups btw

[strong cave]

I think 5 blues 2 reds + Picaro's will give you plenty to work with. For a bit more damage, 4 blues and 3 reds will work. Firewall specialist is a must as well

You could even take Capacitor and run technician + Picaros for more damage as well

If you wanna be a super scumbag, run 3 blues 3 reds umbra with ceska bag Vigi, coyote mask, and pestilence. Skills being decoy and pulse

[strong cave]

Feel free. I'm planning on making a PVP build video showcasing the dominant meta's. Eventually. Also will be doing one for PVE builds. Basically, "must haves" for both content

[hasty sluice]

I think im gonna work on making an umbra build. Since I do alot of pve in the dz. It seems like a good solo setup that can defend itself.

[strong cave]

If you're landmark farming, go with striker + memento + EB

4 blues 3 reds will be perfect. Ceska chest with WD/Crits/Unbreakable

[hasty sluice]

imagine having eb. Sound simmilar to a build i have atm

[strong cave]

I've got 2 EB's. Could easily get dupes... I wish I could say that for dz tho. I farmed with an entire server on Tuesday when South was AR targeted. None of us could get it to drop in a 6 hour session. There's 12 people per dz server btw. I led a whole group doing landmarks

[hasty sluice]

Well it be like that. Rng is rng. I plan on working on raids after I run around with my new char.

[strong cave]

GCRock is a beautiful source for doing raids. I myself will lead some from time to time. Doing DH is my favorite because I love doing the Buddy/Lucy BLB/Regulus 1 shot

Btw drop chance for EB in dz is .025% chance

[hasty sluice]

Part of GCRock rn. Just working on other things rn.

[hasty sluice]

higher than I thought tbh.

[strong cave]

Compared to the 1% chance off each raid boss and 10% chance per crate pull... Yeah, nah, that's more unicorn than a unicorn could ever be. That's a literal 1 out of Infinity chance

Actually, I wonder, how many items are actually in the game that can drop in DZ? If I knew the number I would be able to calculate 1/x (x being total number of items that can drop) which would technically be that calculated drop % per item that drops

[hasty sluice]

so is the 0.025% based off exotic drop + chance to get EB from the exotic rng roll?

[honest moss]

I don't really care if we agree, just a suggestion. Has worked well enough for me in normal forms of gameplay. I get your points but i also think you are forgetting how varied the player base is. It clearly has its uses. Bonus armour lets you keep the f.i bonus up without having to heal constantly. The extra handling lets you hit targets farther with the scorpio. The extra damage benefits the team members. In a situation where you don't need that healing it is whatever. F.i heals groups fine anyway. But again i understand your points and they are more than valid. It is entirely team/gameplay dependent. As a support build main i am just glad to have a new skill to use at the end of the day. Also this is a late reply so apologies, never got notified.

[strong cave]

No worries. Every player for sure varies. @hasty sluice it's just a flat .025% drop rate chance entirely

[subtle bluff]

0.o what did I miss

[strong cave]

Same messages about me saying stuff about smart cover

[subtle bluff]

it's a playstyle to use it. It does give a nice buff.

[honest moss]

Late response from myself, from a more average players input. I am far from skilled nor fancy.

[strong cave]

For sure. I love using precision smart cover for the team when fighting against hunters. Fortified doesn't do much for us. Killing faster = surviving. Especially during OC

I run my healer as a tech healer so the faraday talent on hives is absolutely worth taking

[zenith plover]

Can the pestilence work with ongoing directive for a offensive support build?

[strong cave]

It'll work okay but just note that pestilence talent isn't a status effect

Iron lung slots in better, or bluescreen

Pesti just make sure you have CHC rolled onto it since OD will make you crit starved

[hoary valve]

when ever i try to get a build going i feel not motivated to get the gear because i have the gear but not the proper stuff on the gear and makes me not want to play the game anymore

[solar sable]

that's just what grinding is about, you need to prepare yourself for the inevitable grind

once I saw that the pesti build has to be with red lengmo pieces I instantly knew that the grind was gonna be long asf

[zenith plover]

go it

[half cosmos]

@strong cave will try that out thanks

[finite jay]

do i add the orange and green numbers or is the orange the total including the green numbers?

[glad heart]

total including the green numbers

[solar sable]

green numbers show how much was reduced/added, so the 🍊 numbers show total (bonus already applied)

[ashen bear]

Welp, I wanna build a backfire build for this season that isn't strikers, anything else heroic viable?

[solar sable]

Hunters Fury

[shy willow]

Come to think of it hunters fury is a good shout, you get that free aok

[solar sable]

at least it's not some trash "hAz pRo bAcKfIrE"

I'm sick of those builds

[ashen bear]

Nah, this season's modifiers does pretty well to piss that right out of builds

[hexed steppe]

can pfe go past 80% with modifiers this season? or is it just chc that breaks the rules

[simple bobcat]

What is the meta build right now

[hexed steppe]

depends on the goal. skill or dps? (no such thing as meta tanks )

[subtle bluff]

If we call something meta it would be strikers

[simple bobcat]

So backfire striker?

[subtle bluff]

Striker in general.

[simple bobcat]

So should I use backfire catalyst build without a maxed out watch

Or would it need a maxed watches stats

[subtle bluff]

Don't use backfire imo

[devout iris]

is it worth using devil's due in a OD build? since i have 4 full red pieces of ongoing directive along with the vile mask and a ceska back pack with vigilance on it

[onyx sage]

no need to use devil's due, or vile either, keep the vigi ceska backpack and swap the mask to coyote

[devout iris]

i mean that's what i had before switching to vile here

[onyx sage]

then just keep it

no need to use vile

[devout iris]

right, and let me guess, perfect clutch doesn't go well with OD?

[onyx sage]

it's just not worth using in any build

[devout iris]

cause of the talent itself?

[onyx sage]

the talent doesn't heal you enough for it to be worth it

[devout iris]

and just looked over to the perfect talent and it only works if your at 20% and require crits

[onyx sage]

if you get a kill the 20% cap is removed for some time and theoretically you can get close to 100%, but you can just use a normal backpack talent like vigilance instead and have healing via gunner aok

[devout iris]

ok, and one final question, what active modifier is good for like open world here? cause for me it's either broken link or assault link

[arctic obsidian]

Does anyone have a good pvp/dz build?

[strong cave]

Until they made Lengmo craftable

[strong cave]

I have a plethora, it depends on what you're looking for

[hazy steeple]

The temptation to make the Three Amigos joke right now is overwhelming.

[turbid laurel]

I need a tank dps build

[arctic obsidian]

Any that would make conflict or DZ more enjoyable. i was looking around pestilence as i see that a lot, but any decent pvp build really.

[astral kraken]

that's like saying: i need a healthy diet where i can eat anything want, as much as i want, and any time i want

[subtle bluff]

There is no "tank" close you'll get is Heartbreaker

[strong cave]

Build 1:

Firewall specialist

Pesti primary, Lexington/Famas secondary, sidearm Kard TDI Custom with finisher

3 PC Umbra
Ninjabike
Picaro's Holster
Walker + Harris

Skill 1 - any good pvp skills
Skill 2 - decoy

Everything will be CHD/CHC. For umbra pieces roll CHD, slap CHD on Picaros and obviously W&H run CHC/CHD. Use mods for CHC with pesti if needed.

Build 2:

3 PC Lengmo (Armor, CHC/CHD)
Ceska bag with Vigi
Contractor's Gloves
Fox's kneepads. (Grupo is also acceptable. Or Coyote's mask)

Chest talent can be Glass cannon for ticks or Unbreakable for survivability. Backpack talent will be Vigi

Same skills, same specialist

^^ do note with umbra, you will need to roll off weapon damage for a few armor cores. 3 umbra pieces with blue cores will work just fine, even paired with Picaro's. Ninja comes with all 3 core attributes so you can afford to throw some blues on without too much damage loss. The less blues the quicker you kill but the same goes for you in being killed. Adjust cores based on playstyle

[hazy steeple]

I mean, Hunters Fury is up there.

but Chow is right, in div2 a "tank" is just another word for "dps with healing".

[arctic obsidian]

Thank you, i will look at both and give them a try

[hazy steeple]

NinjaBag, really?

[strong cave]

If you don't want to go the Ninjabike route, you can take 4 PC umbra with coyote mask + ceska Vigi bag. 3 blues, 3 reds will suffice

The general consensus here is Ninjabike is frowned upon but it has a decent place in PVP. If you strip off Pesti and throw on capacitor, you'll hit for even harder. Capacitor comes with Damage to Armor, and you can roll DTTOC onto it. Pair it with Walker Harris for even more DTA, gain more skill tiers by taking Picaro's + Technician and those tiers will also buff capacitor's damage. It's one of the top pvp builds rn. Ninjabike shouldn't be used in PvE, only pvp

[subtle bluff]

one of the only place NBB is ok is in PvP

[strong cave]

Give dark zone/conflict a visit. It's all you'll ever see there

[subtle bluff]

Yup it wins for math numbers for PvP.

[hazy steeple]

You'll also see people willingly play PvP, so I don't trust their judgement.
but fair enough, PvP is its niche.

[strong cave]

When you hit SHD 14k and all the PvE content is ran thru like a used Honda and there's no new content whatsoever, you tend to gravitate towards pvp within this game

Bought Brooklyn, played Brooklyn, never went back. Went right back to DZ/conflict

[hazy steeple]

Nah, I just played something else.

I know this is a novel concept, but taking breaks from the game you love when it becomes a drag, is very healthy.

I'm happy PvP players enjoy it, I never will.

[subtle bluff]

PvE, a lot of bullets everywhere, but NPCs are funny with their movement, and we can take advantage of it by just DPS quickly and getting everything down.
PvP, fewer bullets running around, but we want things to die before we do.
We want the other player to be unalive quick but then we need to be able to survive them doing the same thing. So it's a weird balance of more blues but some red and different stuff.
NBB fills this job well. Cores are worth a lot more PvP than just stats like PvE.

[strong cave]

It's fun until either a cheater ruins the experience or you go scrounging dz for a rogue group to group fight with and there aren't any. That is when I swap games as well, let time pass, then come back. Usually ends up being a group around

[strong cave]

I am so sick and tired of black Tusk going to roll, I shoot where they're gonna roll, and magically they stand back up mid roll 💀💀

Streamlined + Vigi has been paired alot frequently in pvp and that can allow you to take a plethora of blues and still do the same type of damage as someone taking dominantly red

[subtle bluff]

Cheaters ruined PvP. I actually believe Div2 PvP builds are something else. There's so much more depth to them, from different blue to red builds, to different playstyle, all the different counters to other builds etc etc.

[violet juniper]

The superhero combat roll lmao