td2-build-advice

[tranquil wave]

Strikers for general PvE dps, any other gear sets for any role you wanna play in open-world, specific builds comes at Conflict & DZ

[fast sequoia]

will do but for now i'm just trying to learn about things since i'm only 50 shd i think

[subtle bluff]

Any High RPM AR works. You can put on a SMG for the 2nd.

[hexed steppe]

All good. Most of the builds are right there with updates. Not 100 if the new sets have builds yet tho

[fast sequoia]

900 rpm for ARs, right?

[fast sequoia]

that's great to know. I'll check out the builds in the spreadsheet. I've been watching youtube builds but they don't go into details just if survivability, go swap some red cores into blue

but with limited resources, I can't swap things out without a reference

[hexed steppe]

I'll just mention nego doesnt require stacking and is likely interchangeable with your striker pieces 😉

Nego is 😍

[subtle bluff]

Just keep farming

[fast sequoia]

the negotiator build is y6 s3, would that still be usable in s7 y1?

[subtle bluff]

It’s the same.

The striker build hasn’t change for A LONG time

[fast sequoia]

i see, thank you

[subtle bluff]

To note that’s like only 4 weeks ago.

[fast sequoia]

ohh that's not too long ago. Does season change quickly?

[subtle bluff]

4 seasons in a year idea.

[fast sequoia]

copy, thanks again

[old kettle]

tried to target farm carnage for my OD build but the game said id ont have enough big shows

[subtle bluff]

TBH SMG9, and most AR are good enough. Carnage is nice but isn’t required.

[old kettle]

oh i already have an lmg and AR that has the stats i want - i just want carnage kek

i just want carnage for the collection ig

[finite bluff]

whats the best way to get tdi kard custom?

[subtle bluff]

AH ok. Yeah Sadist is already really strong at 30%, 35% is nice but doesn’t make or break it.

[subtle bluff]

Named Caches and DZ is the only way.

[finite bluff]

ty

[subtle bluff]

Incursion chest can drop it too.

[verbal gust]

I’m so jealous rn I went into the dz and got killed my 4 rogues multiple times. Everything is 30 exp

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, the only real change might be choice of weapons/weapon talent.
Personally I use elmo and boomerang M1a cqb rifle.
I'll also use flatline lex/c7/m1a if I'm running tech class and have laser.

[clever merlin]

What's the best backpack for group play that isn't memento or a gear set piece for DPS?

[cerulean smelt]

group wise, only thing that comes to mind if The Setup Uzina named backpack with Perfect opportunistic where you shoot npcs iwth a shotgun or MMR and your groups damage increases

[clever merlin]

I'm using an AR/SMG/lmg

[fast sequoia]

i'll keep this in mind

[cerulean smelt]

you asked for a backpack that's good for groups and i provided an answer

[fast sequoia]

anyone know what's the target lock for in the global events?

[cerulean smelt]

done the event long time ago i don't recall much of it honestly. when this ge started i went to see the rewards and was able to take the trophy oddly enough, think indication is i've accomplished all the tasks long time ago but never claimed the trohpy bit

[thorny solstice]

Well...Measured assembly, smart cover, striker bighorn...
That thing is bit OP.
Duo legendary dmg was like challenging mode...until damage taken...

[subtle bluff]

MA imo for leggo is kind of crutch. If you’re already killing the ads you’re suppose to target MA becomes kind of useless.
FI build would have boost dmg more than that.

[thorny solstice]

We did test FI also.. gave roughly 16%...compared to smart covers 40%

FI is 25% wpn dmg...smart cover is DTTOC...we didnt even have DTTOC mod for it yet.

But like its common now, MA is also bugged...it doesnt eat stuff all the time...although its not in cooldown...shame...

[subtle bluff]

40?

[subtle bluff]

FI is TWD.

But also if you’re playing FI right it’s 25% TWD, 15% amp, 10% amp, 20% amp then sledge is another 20% DTA

[cerulean smelt]

is that chart with the max DTOOC mod in smart cover? or is it just the base?

[subtle bluff]

I’ve never used or taken cover to use it.

[thorny solstice]

I shot without buffs on, and then buffs on.. used the calculator.
FI was 16% more dmg and smart cover 40 something.. so..

[subtle bluff]

I don’t understand what you’re mathing here.

[thorny solstice]

with NO mod even...that thing is unicorn to get.

[subtle bluff]

40 DTTooC or 40% more DPS, DMG

[thorny solstice]

idk, go and test it yourself 😄

[cerulean smelt]

mods? not really XD

[subtle bluff]

You’re the one saying it so I’m asking you.

[cerulean smelt]

think mrchow wasn't specifics how you calculated 40% more with smartcover. like build wise perhaps?

[subtle bluff]

TBH those numbers are what I do without any other players buff when I run Striker BH.

So that’s why I’m asking.

[zenith plover]

cam i do a hybrid build for strikers or should i keep it at all red? i do have a bit of skill issue, any build recos so i wont die immeidately at higher difficulties?

[thorny solstice]

I can send screens once my friend comes back online.

[subtle bluff]

Yes use blue core if you’re having issues.

[zenith plover]

so i guess i can go hybrid striker's then

[cerulean smelt]

if you got memento, can slap that on for a bit of survivablity

[subtle bluff]

Do w/e works for you

[zenith plover]

so i think i can check youtube builds and tweak?

[thorny solstice]

FI on and FI off. Its 16,6% difference.
If my math here is correct, then smart covers math was also correct. lol

[cerulean smelt]

you can, but gotta becareful since past builds aren't deleted so you might find yourself copying an extremely old build that's been nerfed

[zenith plover]

yup been checking when and what season it was uploaded so im checking builds from a month ago at the latest

im just having a dillema between strikers and heartbreaker, which would you guys reco for a hybrid dps build?

[subtle bluff]

What’s the striker build?

[subtle bluff]

Heartbreaker

[thorny solstice]

classic: obliterate + backback, elmos

[zenith plover]

and should i use the Kingbreaker for my main weapon?

[subtle bluff]

You said BH here.

That’s the one I’m questioning sorry.

[subtle bluff]

No. M4 or P416

[cerulean smelt]

that weapon is terrible considering you're shooting all around your target, but you can if you desire just be forewarned what i mentioned

[zenith plover]

and which talent? flatline?

[thorny solstice]

It was just showcasing how stupid numbers can go.
Ofc i tested as apples vs apples... smart cover off and on...

[solar berry]

what happens when you use both?

[subtle bluff]

Oh.. I know how dumb numbers can go…. It’s my thing.

[thorny solstice]

Legendary chungas probably go back into shadowrealm and never return xd

[solar berry]

so meta of 2 support builds and 2 dps 👀

[subtle bluff]

This is really old and the only one I have on hand.

[cerulean smelt]

here i thought you'd pull the 50 million Heal Chem Launcher headshot

[subtle bluff]

I’ve gotten crits over 15mill per pellet

[subtle bluff]

That’s a one shot. Overall DPS is this stuff

[thorny solstice]

Its more about dps uptime and hitting your shots..

[subtle bluff]

I don’t have the good ones on this device or saved

Yeah that’s how leggo runs are done.

[thorny solstice]

But yeah, MA is awesome so far, combined with smart cover and heals, its nice.

shame its bugged tho

[subtle bluff]

You could just use FI to do the same thing but with more amps

[solar berry]

destroy skills also

[thorny solstice]

IF it works all the time...but it doesnt

[solar berry]

o, thats the bugged part abt it?

[thorny solstice]

sometimes it doesnt destroy stuff yeah, although its not on cooldown.

[solar berry]

mmm

[thorny solstice]

Friend said that he is not alone with that problem.. so idk..

[cerulean smelt]

was curious about that. like um?

like the backpack is supposed to be 1 sec cool down yet a grenade can still get through even though the icon shows it's not on cool down

[thorny solstice]

Eventhough it misses 10% of enemy skills, its still so good.

[solar berry]

atleast it works, just not fully

[thorny solstice]

Possible. Need to run it more. Im sure there are more experienced MA users here and say whats going on.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm usually solo, so yeah the fact that a grenade/skill can go through every now and then despite having the talent ready when it happens is telling me it's not exactly a 1 second cool down

[thorny solstice]

Its division... Im not surprised about anything at this point.

[subtle bluff]

Only time I’ve played with MA where it was blocking stuff was Lovebirds.

I know I had squad in Leggo Tidal that’s was using and they only went down when ads or a chunga got to them.

No skills hit them

[cerulean smelt]

i pretty much wanted to use MA as a hunter skill deterrent honestly (> <) but doesn't matter honestly XD

[solar berry]

mortars or skills, but skills is very broad

[thorny solstice]

Having good dps guys also there = easy win.
Even in duo i, as dps guy, felt like god.

Nades, mortars, drones

[subtle bluff]

It doesn’t block mortars. It only destroy skill that come from an ad.

[violet juniper]

could you make a mortar build with MA? anti mortar & mortar at the same time

[old kettle]

lmao when i switched target loot to masks bc i was farming vile it dropped

thanks i guess

[subtle bluff]

You could but it wouldn’t that good can fit enough stats in for it to do good.

[thorny solstice]

Ofc, but it will not be useful.

[subtle bluff]

MA really is best hybrid imo since it’ll give itself skill tiers.

[thorny solstice]

It shines as healer + smartcover.
Cool addition to the game tho

[solar berry]

dz gearset vs anything tbh xD

viable asf in pve

[cunning rain]

Can someone show or guide me how to build a good st Elmo build? (I also have caretaker and dark winter if those are better)

I’ve always played ar builds but haven’t played in a few years and don’t really know what works now

[cerulean smelt]

pins here in the top right corner of chat has a spreadsheet with builds that currently still work

[cunning rain]

Could I ask a general question as well?

[cerulean smelt]

dunno, can you?

[cunning rain]

Is there a reliable farm spot to find maxed stat gear mods

[cerulean smelt]

only reliable thing i know of but requires extreme luck is Countdown on Challenging or if you tire of it Summit since you can keep it to gear mods regardless of the daily changes

[cunning rain]

I figured since you could target loot but I didn’t know if there was anything I wasn’t aware of, thank you for your time

[cerulean smelt]

my 2nd account gotten a 13% Protection of Elite mod at some point. no clue where or how. until then i was like it's a myth of a mod and someone just probably Edited it to make it look legit XD

[thorny solstice]

Heroic countdown for good roll mods. Rest of the gear on challenging.
U can optimize/recal gear and weapons but not mods.
Heroic CD drops better rolls on avg.
If you have never done CD then start from challenging.

CD in general right now is veeeery rough thx to new player invasion..

[cerulean smelt]

i'd only suggest heroic countdown to people who has optimized builds and post 1k shd levels.
people there tend to check people before running it
you don't pass these 2 things they boot you out

[dim stump]

anyone got a good support build

[cerulean smelt]

only 2 support builds comes to my mind, both are in the spreadsheet in the pins
Future Initiative and On Going Directive

[thorny solstice]

Kinda impossible ask to boot people right now as 90% players are under 500shd who play heroic...i dont have time to sit there, wait...and kick...and wait.
If its dps build then lets go.

[cunning rain]

ive done a lot of heroic cd

[cerulean smelt]

since countdown change a long time ago, people have a mindset Heroic Countdown requires Fully optimized builds and they tack on needing 1k shd level on top of it, can't really change people's mindset in this honestly

[thorny solstice]

Main issue are people...some guys do stupid sht...who plays CD much right now, they know.

Luckily challenging is so easy that it doesnt matter at all.

[cerulean smelt]

from what i read between challenging and heroic they drop the same things percent wise and was always advised just run challenging since it's a lot quicker than heroic

[thorny solstice]

Absolutely true.
Heroic for rolls (for mods) and CD credits...or for just challenge right now 😂

[cerulean smelt]

for me, i can run heroic countdown but
do i want to lose time i can do in challenging for a lot of loot to maybe taking a lot of time doing heroic? 🤔
challenging wins out of me in this regard

[hexed steppe]

highend bags for dps are generally crit related (ceska or grupo) with vigilance, unstoppable force, wicked (if proc status OD or HF)

[cunning rain]

would the ceska chest piece be better than the sacrafice that comes with perfect glass cannon

[hexed steppe]

not if you are using a gearset . if you are stacking highend with 3pro/grupo it will be

[cunning rain]

im running 4 striker with coyote

[hexed steppe]

just go ceska, you need the chc

[cunning rain]

dang gotta find one then lol

obliterate for the talent?

[hexed steppe]

can use what you got till the right one drops. oblit, glass

[cunning rain]

this is what i got

primary dps is 97.5 bc dmg isnt maxed on elmo yet

[cerulean smelt]

like localdeck tells you, it'll work until you find your ceska chest with chc/chd and changing the talent bit would be wise in case we get a new chest talent that can increase our dps

[subtle bluff]

If you're able to play with PCG rock it then! People that can play wiht CG and a Vigl will have some of best DPS from the start to the top of the stacks.

[cerulean smelt]

i say that it out performs strikers i get staked that strikers is still stronger
i'm like yeah if you can get the max stats and maintain it sure, but it's not possible so their damage isn't as great as high end with PGC and PV chc/chd, but that's just my opinion trying both out and finding the high end build does feel more consistent damage wise

[hexed steppe]

once you get used to glass, there is no going back

[shy willow]

After I threw glass cannon and exodus on striker there was no going back

[subtle bluff]

ya. 25% TWD and a 25% Amp of off the bat is really strong.

I can't english anymore

[hexed steppe]

although i never use striker without the chest and bag... if i dont need the full dps of striker i just glass nego

transfer + shd exposed is pretty nice right now

[cerulean smelt]

you know i never thought to try the ole classified mission exploit, least it's an exploit to me 🤔

[shy willow]

There's only one mission where it's worth anything but the fact that once you leave it shuts makes it at least less broken than some other xp farms we've had

[cerulean smelt]

because of the sheer speed you can run it right? and the amount you obtain doing so?

[shy willow]

You get well over a million XP per clear and each one is like 2-3 minutes

[dim stump]

what stats should i be dumping my shd levels into first

[shy willow]

I ran a mule for someone in like 20 mins or so it was bonkers

[cerulean smelt]

first section? i'd say chc/chd/weapon damage in that order the rest no clue honestly probably as you see fit?

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly didn't believe it, then i ran it myself and was like wait what?!

[shy willow]

It's an open secret kind of deal because most people who happen to own the y1 pass got it through the ultimate edition

So people who don't own it never bothered with it as standalone

[dim stump]

is there anything i should focus on for scavenging

[cerulean smelt]

personally? i'd save those points

[shy willow]

Save for when you need

[dim stump]

i got 21 so far havent spent a single one

[cerulean smelt]

just know once you hit 999 you'll have all 4 brackets filled in and 249 scavenging points by that time 1k will give you 250

[dim stump]

im a long ways from that

[cerulean smelt]

you'll be surprised. 1k will come to you faster than you realize

[zenith plover]

what do u think about this build?

[subtle bluff]

take off both Fox's and Contractor. You want Ceska

and then Grupo

[zenith plover]

cheska and grupo for gloves and knees right?

[subtle bluff]

doesn't matter where they go

You want to 4pc HB w/ Chest

[cerulean smelt]

what if they went 3 HB, Ninja bag, ceska and grupo? 🤔 j/k

[zenith plover]

got it

any weapon recos that's good with flatline??

[subtle bluff]

If you have lex tbh Measure works better

[cerulean smelt]

Police m4 probably top choice? but any long barreled guns that you can put the Techinican Laser Pointer on it

[subtle bluff]

Build stacks faster to do more dmg

[hexed steppe]

you want to lose the bag for ceska vigilance or memento

personally its either ceska vig/coyote, or memento/ceska off piece

flatline is solid amp from first to last shot

[tired ermine]

How you guys hit 1m dmg is beyond me - im guessing that's on proficiency and shd level?

[hushed gorge]

sad life

[solar sable]

nope and nope
Watch bonuses are not the ones making a difference but the build

[solar sable]

You can reach 1mil dmg easily by maintaining, for example, striker chest stacks or team buffs if any

[subtle bluff]

[solar sable]

I'm still wondering how did you come up with something like this

either stupid ideas that came out better than expected or absolute boredom

[subtle bluff]

Heh heh Stoners Frenzy on lovebirds with Smart Cover too.. IT's gonna be nuTTIE

[tired ermine]

What's good dmg? Im hitting 300-400k at least 500 with stacks strikers and obli. When I try heroic im getting slammed.

[solar sable]

how so? I mean I use the same build and hit up to 900k solo

[tired ermine]

Im shd 439 started a week and a half - proficiency 7

Numbers are low - figured I'll just farm shd to hit big number

[solar sable]

as I said earlier, the watch bonuses are not that big

[cerulean smelt]

watch is an added benefit honestly, expertise isn't really needed per se but it's nice to have

[tired ermine]

I get what you mean, i just mentioned it as I thought the first time that shd lvl and proficiency matters.

[hexed steppe]

how do your crit stats look?

[glacial wedge]

uhhh

is catalyst viable for now? i want to use it

[tired ermine]

On the low side - 50 chc, 75 chd

[subtle bluff]

hasn't changed

[hexed steppe]

chance is good, youll want to focus on chd now. should be able to hit the 120-130 range without the watch bonus

[quartz ermine]

Chemical Angent is not working(you only get 1 stack), Reactant is not working beacaus of Chemical Agent, Stabilizer is working, knowing all this it is your choice whether you want to use it or not

[mellow tusk]

this build is any good for heroic/5 directives solo?

[subtle bluff]

not really

[hexed steppe]

can be. you wont be messed up by coolskills since you only deploy shield. chameleon will eat ammo tho.

you might add a couple more red cores for better damage

wont need tier 6 shield and artificer and shield both scale with memento stacks

[mellow tusk]

yeah, im using a 1886 aces and eights with determined and headhunter.

can do most of the content just oneshotting everyone , but if a cant stack headhunter or slack in positioning

most of the times i will die, for this reason im looking for a tank striker build, since they say is the most powerful build in the game

[hexed steppe]

i have elmo in that secondary slot with oneshot builds. its high stability allows it to easily utilize the hsd damage and beam heads

striker is a solid set and does allow a good amount of flexibility. heartbreaker fits the role as well. personally i use nego for most dps. you might consider a highend weapon instead of cham.

[tranquil wave]

Full red strikers, cayotes + ceska chest, hard hitting AR, decoy and hive for free death pass

cover to cover, easier shred enemies

[hexed steppe]

5d includes coolskills. revive will likely always be on cooldown

[mellow tusk]

most os the time it is

i use scanner and reviver hive, a 5s scanner steals 165 seconds of my hive haha

[hexed steppe]

its better with artificer since it only needs one charge to fix shield and it stays on back

[mellow tusk]

At the end of the day, there are a sick amounts of variation, but in your opinion, what is the better option for hero/5d?

[hexed steppe]

striker, nego, oneshot

[chrome stump]

Yay or nay?

[kind crest]

yay :) just optimize and ur good :D

thoughts on this build ? my girl made it for legendary, 90% explosive resistance, no stagger bc of kneepads about 8.5mil on the mortar and a tiny bit of pfe, 6th skilltier comes from tdi

[quartz ermine]

decent

[static sparrow]

Hey, Guys and Girls. Wanna build soon my First build but dont know anything about what is good and what is Bad, can someone give me some advices?

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet linked in the pins in this channel with a number of good build guides. Popular starting build is strikers since it's very easy to use and does top damage.

[static sparrow]

Thanks

[hexed steppe]

not a dig, but its a bit lacking. skilltier from tdi is only when its in hand. should really run capacitor for the 12% dta/dttooc (if rolled correct). i understand doing the pfe/explo resist, but probably more applicable if running the legs solo. im not gonna straight knock stategic alignment, but you can get more out of force multiplier (30% tsd) and you would only have to onetap something while mortar is midair. i would personally run china in the chest or knee. i would replace the bag and one other spot with hanna u. if not super attached to the resistance, lengmo has opportunity to be btsu or contractor's, both of which boost mortars. whats your off skill with the mortar?

im kind of a mortar nut so take the above with a grain of salt. youre still making good damage, this is how i run:
-10mil when cap stacked and fully procced talents.
-13mil when oc is active, cap stacked, and fully procced talents.

-# Mortar Supremacy

Musta been hell farming the chest

[subtle bluff]

im kind of a mortar nut
🧐 👀 🤪

[kind crest]

yea im not a fan of strategic either but i guess she prefers it since she doesnt have to go out of cover (she sometimes has difficulty with staying alive in legendaries) so thats the reason for the explosion resistance aswell, ive been running something similar to ur build but then wyvrn chest w glass and hana gloves

might change to btsu tho, hana gloves doesnt make much sense now i think about it lol

[hexed steppe]

understood. its usually easy to proc PCA right along with in sync since both have similar uptime. that being said, the build that one runs well will yield more consistent performance for sure regardless if top damage or not. mortar has a steep learning so if shes landing mortar shots precisely then its a win in my book.
youll like those btsu gloves if you can manage running a hive

[hoary sail]

well I'm mortar nerd too 😁 but i run something different

[hexed steppe]

post it so i can roast it

mortar gang, rise up

[hoary sail]

i have less dmg than ur but it's work pretty good

[hexed steppe]

-# Roast incoming
youll see closer to my top end damage by adding glass over skilled. other than that, looks good.

[hoary sail]

yes i know but i prefere to have skills more often. I try it with gc but i miss my prefect skilled. Sometimes i can spam snikers like 5 times so it's pretty fun when it's explode everywhere 🤣

[terse scroll]

what can i run instead of Yaahl Gear for a backfire build? or do i just have to jump into DZ and do some landmarks?

[kind crest]

you really dont need hazpro for the backfire :) imo its better with a little armor on kill or regen, once u reload 3 times u dont bleed anymore

[kind crest]

yea shes amazing with the mortar, lands almost everything but she just struggles with all the explosions from drones and grenadiers, she used to use hardwired with mortar so i feel like the build she uses now is way better😅 and she only runs it whenever shes with inexperienced people in legendary, usually when we play together she goes striker or healer

also thank you so much for the advice and everything :)

[terse scroll]

so swap it with palisades potentially?

[kind crest]

usually the aok from gunner is already more than enough for me (i use the backfire only in the incursion so u might need more aok/regen if u use it in open world) but yea palisades will work :) hazpro is also nice tho just dont expect the best damage out of the backfire whenever u use full hazpro

if u do go for aok make sure u have enough damage to kill quickly, i wouldnt suggest too many blue cores

[hexed steppe]

consider refactor, its a solid set and gives the heals on damage and can be run with mortar. i been running refactor through capital leg and its been usfull

[terse scroll]

my friend just got insanely lucky with the Dark Zone and got The Ravenous on their first time ever in the DZ.
What's a good build for it?

[tulip charm]

None

Its a niche gun for specific use cases

[hexed steppe]

definitely worth saving

[fluid crater]

Can anyone help me with a build ? I’m fairly new to the game and still don’t understand builds I’ve watched multiple videos on builds and am still confused , I play countdown and I play for hours and still don’t get the loot I need

[tulip charm]

Pinned comments has builds you can pick or Just Target loot Strikers in Countdown.

[fluid crater]

Thank you

[patent fossil]

The spreadsheet linked in the pins is where to find the builds plus a lot of other info

[hexed steppe]

for selecting target loot
`map > click on countdown or summit > hit h to pick the target loot. striker is a good starter set that will take you through any content.

[eager viper]

What’s decent build besides DPS for countdown. Want to change it up a bit.

[patent fossil]

Eclipse foam

[eager viper]

Ahh forget about the foam

Give that a go

[patent fossil]

Ideally make it disrupt immune for the hunters, but that's a bit more specialised to countdown

[eager viper]

Been in a couple countdowns where someone with foam helped a lot.

[hexed steppe]

can check open world target loot by hitting map > then R. toggles target loot

[eager viper]

Change my eclipse setup a bit. I use with a stinger hive

[hexed steppe]

i used to do the same

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[patent fossil]

Stinger would risk getting hacked, so maybe fire sticky or blinder firefly or something to complement foam

[kind crest]

ouu yea ur right, i think she would love refractor since she loves healing lol, is it still that whenever you deal "too much" damage to an enemy and you kill them that you dont get the armor ? or have they fixed that

most of the things to do with skill builds are completely out of my knowledge lol sorry😅

[hexed steppe]

fire eclipse (vile). 100% hazpro, foam status immunity ( blue attributes)

[weak jetty]

Pvp builds?

[quartz ermine]

You are in the wrong room

[weak jetty]

But this is build advice isn't it?

[quartz ermine]

yes

go to #td2-pvp-discussions

[weak jetty]

That's pvp discussion, not a build discussion thing though?

[untold fulcrum]

Whats the best stat to get on backfire? Damage to armor? Damage out of cover?

[weak jetty]

I'm confused

[quartz ermine]

second

[weak jetty]

Is 40% extra damage alot? Like generally

Or is just getting cores worth of damage better

[strong cave]

You can get pvp build advice here, yes

[weak jetty]

Ok so, 40% extra damage with 5 blue cores. Is that considered good?

[strong cave]

Post the build

On paper it sounds good but I need to see the setup to see if it's even worth running what you have

[inner rock]

90% explo res with 100 haz pro and 60% pfe sounds fun

[thorny solstice]

What build are we talkin about here. Sounds low dps build.

[inner rock]

yes its a tank build, bit of a overkill i think

[thorny solstice]

For what use ? It all depends on usecase

[strong cave]

Sounds useful for iron horse key stagger

If this is for solo heroic or group heroic, even legendary, you're better off taking healer or DPS. Don't wanna be "that guy", but the game sadly favors DPS for clearing content efficiently. Or being a good support role in group play

[inner rock]

yeah i think it might be useful in tidal basin legendary too but may have to test and play around

but it can also give bonus armor to teammates very often

[weak jetty]

Something I'm trying to copy from yt

[strong cave]

Yeah idk about that one

Umbra will have that build kissing the ground lightning quick

Very outdated meta

[muted fjord]

My first build striker obvs. Just looking for advice on memento or coyote mask. I have both just wondering what one is probs better is it a waste using the memento or is it worth for the buffs and bit more survivability

[strong cave]

Memento is good. Better with blue cores in my opinion. Gives more bonus armor. In group play go with coyote and striker bag

[urban latch]

Check the pinned Google doc, there's a pvp build guide in there

[strong cave]

^^ this

The pieces are good don't get me wrong but there's better builds in there. Electrique is a bit outdated and lots now outperform it

[weak jetty]

Is hunters fury ideal for pvp builds?

It seems tempting

[meager crystal]

hey what are some good skills to use for solo pve (im very early game i only have specialized and some superior items that are level 15)

[patent fossil]

Striker drone is a top choice for levelling, worth running a few yellow cores on your gear too since it scales automatically as you level up.
Other than that, crusader shield revive hive, heal chem are all popular options but it's worth experimenting and finding what you like

[terse scroll]

is there anything you can do while farming for red atrib and core lengmo gear or is it all just up to RNG? mate has been trying to put together a pesti red core build with lengmo but hasn't been getting anything

[thorny solstice]

Lengmo drops with blue core, so...he need to get piece with CHC and CHD, then recal armor to weapon dmg.
Ive been famring countdown for 3 days for Backbone backpack...its rough. Rnjesus.

[terse scroll]

it's such a brutal grind

[thorny solstice]

One of the rarest drop it seems like, it just doesnt want to drop with both CHC and CHD....or im having really bad rng.
Rest of the lengmo pieces aint that hard to get.

[urban latch]

A lot of its benefits are on kill effects. You can use it as a super budget option, but Id really not reccomend it for pvp. If you want a very easy pvp build to put together umbra is very good and very easy

[weak jetty]

I see

[tranquil wave]

Tried getting Fenris chestpiece with chc/chd + unbreakable?

[thorny solstice]

Thats like any other brand chest which u want to get with 3 things rolled on it so u could change out core.

[marble root]

Okay so bloody knuckles right? Absolutely dogshit, what to I have to do to make the melee aspect do something?

I run lady death for move speed and melee damage but what else

[thorny solstice]

Why tho

[shy willow]

Melee related stuff is generally trash, though bloody knuckles are very very good

Free 25 percent TWD

Great for boss burns and you can proc with a grenade too

[marble root]

Because I hate myself

[tranquil wave]

Yeah well, getting real lucky at getting 2 red attributes, red core and a unbreakable talent seems like an impossible mission

for fenris chestpiece, maybe RNG is gone somewhere

[onyx sage]

you're farming for a literal unicorn, don't worry about it

[strong cave]

dont use hunters fury. its ass in pvp. only good at landmark farming in dz

[tranquil wave]

'literal unicorn' ahahaha

yeah getting that AR chestpiece is tuff tuff

[tranquil wave]

got one, had everything but the weapon handling is too good to resist

[arctic schooner]

guys, whats the best exotic weapon for dps?

[cerulean smelt]

for me personally? none of them

[tranquil wave]

Lexington, Famas, Lud, Elmo's

1886 seems good too

[cerulean smelt]

lexington, famas, lud aren't Exotics though

[tranquil wave]

I know, i named better ones

[patent fossil]

Bighorn has amazing dps but only if you can land consistent headshots. Regulus too with the right setup.

[arctic schooner]

is elmos better than ouroboros, scorpio, and backfire?

[shy willow]

for general use the main answer youre gonna get is elmo

[arctic schooner]

meh my aim is like a cow, i'm basically blind

[shy willow]

past that theres reasons to use a whole host

[tranquil wave]

Elmo's for PvE, Ouroboros is decent, Scorpio where you need stagger, Backfire meta as for now until it will become unusable again

[arctic schooner]

oh well aight then, how about the gear set? any rec?

[tranquil wave]

dps - striker

[cerulean smelt]

pins here has a spreadsheet for builds

[patent fossil]

It's effective at much longer range than those, is the main advantage.

[tranquil wave]

elmo's = laser beam to any range

[patent fossil]

Could maybe run a pesti build if you just want to spray and pray

[strong cave]

i would argue magsize is what makes elmo's most preferred. eagle bearer technically hits the same as elmo's but it has 10 less magsize (due to the talent of EB for balancing reasons)

[arctic schooner]

how about like the chestplate and the exotic perhaps that i should use?

[strong cave]

ceska chest piece with chc/chd/obliterate talent. can use glass cannon, optional. exotic can either be exodus gloves (basically free unbreakable on gloves) or coyote mask. majority use coyote mask

[onyx sage]

you tried exodus yet?

[arctic schooner]

how do we farm that ceska piece with the obliterate god roll?🥲

just like 24/7 countdown?

[onyx sage]

don't worry about god roll, worry about correct rolls

[strong cave]

i got 2 pairs. i like them. but i still find them gimmicky bc they're useful for pve only. pvp theyre ass. i barely play pve now that im done with projects and at season pass 100. @arctic schooner dont worry about god roll, just get the correct rolls. you can optimize later.. countdown is fine. DONT DO VIP OBJECTIVE

[onyx sage]

and yeah just do countdown

[arctic schooner]

whats the correct roll?

[onyx sage]

i liked them when i tried them out. now i just run all damage glass cannon as always

[strong cave]

it depends. youll wanna look for a multitude of rolls. ill list them below:

Weapon damage (fixed, doesnt roll any other way)
X - can be any roll
CHC/CHD - needs to be here
Talent: Obliterate

OR

WD (fixed)
chc
chd
talent: any

WD - weapon damage
chc = crit hit chance
chd = crit hit damage

basically you need it to roll both crits and swap talent, or 1 crit and oblit talent to roll for 2 crits

[tranquil wave]

Ceska chespiece + obliterate, all red cores, chd+chc, cayotes mask, Elmos exotic as main weapon and go brr brr (+4 pc striker full red)

[arctic schooner]

wait is it better for me to replace talent with obliterate or find ceska with obliterate and like either CHD/CHC?

[tranquil wave]

you gotta find/farm specific rolls and talent

[strong cave]

not always. just follow what i posted above

[cerulean smelt]

i'd go replacing talent to obliterate, some day we may get a new chest talent that'll replace it

[strong cave]

id rather they farm for the talent with 1 crit roll, so they can slap on another crit roll and farm for a dupe at a later time. you want them to get the build quicker, not farm for a unicorn

efficiency people, DONT FORGET

[cerulean smelt]

we really haven't, but just never know these days honestly

[arctic schooner]

oh aight thx guys

[strong cave]

i doubt ceska will be replaced in the distant future... thats looking very bleak rn considering what ubisoft is dealing with financial wise...

[tranquil wave]

ceska chest with obliterate + chc/chd isnt that unicorn stuff honestly

[cerulean smelt]

no, but i'm just talking chest talents

i know we havne't had new chest/backpack talents, but like i said you just never know

[strong cave]

no, but im referencing @cerulean smelt 's advice of farming for double crit ceska chest piece and swap for obliterate. its good in late endgame for hot swapping talents but not for EARLY endgame. the early endgame goal is to get a solid build started so you CAN efficiently farm for other builds or pieces

[tranquil wave]

sure

[strong cave]

early endgame, farm for ceska with 1 crit roll + oblit talent then roll on chc/chd. perfect piece to slot in on striker. striker is easy to get. coyote can be obtained easily as well. grupo works as a placeholder if they dont have coyote. i promise you i can easily delete my striker setup and get it back within 3 countdown runs

getting double crit ceska chest isnt that common as people think it is

[cerulean smelt]

personally i feel whatever the core of the gear is, the attributes takes on the core's color more than anything, but there's still that RNG factor where you can look for what i mention for days/weeks/months/years before you finally get it

[lofty frigate]

I think it's so nice to support builds xD

[strong cave]

get rid of shiny monkey. use alps summit instead

[lofty frigate]

i try to get it,now

[wild ridge]

Is best roll for gr9 still CHC?

[lofty frigate]

It's only a temporary measure

[strong cave]

itll boost your heals for the team. trying to use measured assembly as a form of "dps" just isnt viable. id get rid of that future perfect on that gun as well and take instead Flatline. i dont see how youre using spotter talent unless youre taking LLP

[wild ridge]

I'm using contractors for reference so I already have dta

[strong cave]

depends on the setup. if you have plenty of crits id dare say take more damage to armor

if youre crit starved, use CHC. gr9 can take crit mods as well so keep that in mind

50-55 chc is a good range to be at

[onyx sage]

if on striker you want chc

[wild ridge]

Thanks goat

[onyx sage]

--goat

[strong cave]

😎

[patent fossil]

Handling and the extra crit from the mods really help too. EBs talent is great but the weaker mods really hurt it

[cerulean smelt]

ohhh good eye, didn't even look at weapons honestly but i can kind of see they're still hoping for either 6 skill tier or over charge which they're not getting either with this build

[strong cave]

the issue with running it that way is you need to hope your team stays within that hive for the skill tiers. lets be real, majority dont

[strong cave]

i was so pissed they fondled eagle bearer the way they did... they shouldve left the damage alone. but i get it for balancing reasons

[cerulean smelt]

they don't even take cover for the smart cover 😹

[strong cave]

its even worse when they use umbra

umbra cant even BE in cover to utilize the gearset or the skill

devs: new skill! come check it out!

majority pvpvers that use umbra: 💀

[cerulean smelt]

i've considered a skill tier umbra build, but was like yeah only utilizing the smartcover 50ish percent not worth it

[strong cave]

(umbra requires being in cover for the damage. in order to get the damage and rof buffs, you have to be outta cover. when you go back in cover, those buffs dont apply)

see how smart cover is useless with umbra?

[cerulean smelt]

i know, which is why we don't utilize the cover 50% of the time

[strong cave]

i mean, situationally, you can use fortified smart cover for PROTECTION when getting stacks back. or for quickly throwing yourself in cover for the bonus armor so you live in a hectic situation. but lets be real, as an umbra player, you should not be in that situation to begin with. esp with the most broken gearset for pvp

[cerulean smelt]

though, been thinking of trying some kind of build with centurion's holster, gunslinger chest talent and maybe composure backpack?

[strong cave]

ive been toying around with that idea myself. its not a bad idea. just very very niche. i can see it being utilized in group dz play or conflict. maybe even 1v1's

at that rate tho just go sys corr for 1v1's and then bighorn in groups/1v1's

[cerulean smelt]

shame that the versatile is based on 2 different weapons isn't it? like ar/smg to something like rifle/mmr or lmg/shotgun?

[strong cave]

oh, composure is the one where you get weapon damage in cover. i was thinking versatile oops 💀

most run SMG's and AR's or AR's and shotguns or AR's and LMG's. so it could work

id run 3pc visionario or whatever it is that gives you the opt range, swap speed and wd 15% with the named backpack

[cerulean smelt]

just named backpack? not the gloves as well?

[strong cave]

remind me what the gloves do?

[cerulean smelt]

gives extra weapon handling

[mystic sky]

Boy do I wish I had this advice when I started. Took me so many runs. But on the other hand, I have more mats than I know what to do with.

[strong cave]

oh youre talking about eagle's grasp gloves. thats with Zwiadowka

i mean, it might work but you could be crit starved depending on the setup

[strong cave]

THANK YOU. Somebody who gets it 💁

people need to work smarter, not harder

[cerulean smelt]

oh my bad, forgot it was a different brand

[strong cave]

its not a bad idea tho. weapon handling is alot like skill efficiency but for guns. it applies to accuracy, stability and swap speed

[mystic sky]

To give more context, I think I’d gained a bit over 800+ SHD levels before it finally dropped. I would just follow your original advice if I had to regrind it over again.

[cerulean smelt]

i haven't started that build yet honestly, but just thinking it could be interesting

[strong cave]

this exactly. ive seen this across all newbies who have started that were trying their hardest to get the "unicorn" to drop when i told them focus on just specific rolls and swap on crit. they had it within 5 or so runs and saved them so much headache. thats how i did it when i swapped from xbox to PC. my xbox builds are... heh.. we dont talk about those

im less than shd 300 on xbox. meanwhile im shd 14.5k on pc 💀

[cerulean smelt]

your materials 100k each?

[marble root]

guys, i went through the sniper page on the gear guide, why is Prophet not listed? it has perfected determined?

[strong cave]

i wish. upon reset i had about 12,600 watch points to toy with

[onyx sage]

it's a pistol

[strong cave]

perfect determined does not reset itself. normal determined does. use harvester pistol OR a magnum with determined

[onyx sage]

it's also not worth using

[marble root]

yeah but the pistol list only has 676 and regulus

i see now

[cerulean smelt]

read what Fiftysdeath mentioned about perfect determined#td2-build-advice message

[onyx sage]

all the magnums are the same except harvest and regulus

[strong cave]

rip D50 😔

[mystic sky]

I just swapped to PC. I’m now 3k ish. I have to also farm Yaahl but I’ll wait for vendor reset to buy chests to break down and craft.

[strong cave]

yaahl frequently goes on sale in clan vendor. if you need a clan, my clan is level 30. no active players since it all died. just me. but i got open clan and its for all players (only if you need a clan)

[arctic schooner]

guys, to farm ceska chestplate should i target for chestplates or ceska brand?

[strong cave]

im also a frequent dz visitor so if you need yaahl pieces i can help farm that too

[strong cave]

ceska brand itself. that ensures whatever chests drop, its ceska. not 5.11

[mystic sky]

I’ll gladly come play. I have a clan I joined with my friend. But I’m down for more buddies. I get dog walked in DZ. Haha terrifying place for me.

[strong cave]

ive got 2 whole chars for pvp so i got you covered 😂 when farming landmarks just have your whole crew run memento or somebody take a tardi build

the pvp playerbase of this game is hardcore but its not that hard when you get used to it

[marble root]

is chainkiller really the only really good option for sniping? i feel like running providence is better

[onyx sage]

not really

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say it's personal preference, think it's just a 5-25% difference in the buff per shot but caps at the same maximum

[onyx sage]

providence or hsd in general doesn't help with breaking helmets and that's what most people get stuck on, you already do enough damage otherwise

[marble root]

also is going punch drunk for 20% headshot dmg the BiS mask?

[onyx sage]

for a mmr build, no

[cerulean smelt]

"After killing an enemy with a headshot, your next weapon hit within 30s deals 125% (150%) of that killing blow’s damage in addition to it.
Damage is capped to 800% of your weapon damage. This is raised to 1250% if your headshot damage is greater than 150%."the number between () is perfect talent

[onyx sage]

wasted brand

[wild ridge]

Disagree. EB's talent is not nearly as good as Elmo's. Elmo's can force priority targets out of cover and allow ease in killing them

[strong cave]

true but if you get 3 kills after a headshot kill you negate all damage. winning impossible odds esp in pve or pvp is just too satisfying. EB > Elmo's. I will live and die on this hill, only because of personal satisfaction 😂

but in pve, yeah, elmo's has way more use

[wild ridge]

Pvp is a whole other animal though

[strong cave]

i mean, you can use it in pve, but its better for pvp. youre right as it is definitely another animal. i know this way too well 😭

[wild ridge]

Lol

Pve is what I was talking about though, since that's what the majority of players do

[strong cave]

my sanity is about to end the moment i go to DZ today

[wild ridge]

Lol. That's why I just drain my sanity in solo legendary speeds

[strong cave]

EB ive noticed works better in close range engagements in PVE. which is not always. elmos' just has that lazer accuracy and magsize plus the status talent is so good

[onyx sage]

what a tryhard

[wild ridge]

(me last night when I wiped 3x on capitol boss

[strong cave]

what a goat

[wild ridge]

Facts

[onyx sage]

i would never spend that much time doing something so fruitless, ever.

[shy willow]

manning

[onyx sage]

idk what you're talking about.

[patent fossil]

EB lets you force targets out of cover by just running around the cover and shooting them in the face while shrugging off any other incoming damage 😂
(I only use it solo but it does make life a lot easier when you just want to charge though everything)

[wild ridge]

Average manning national zoo enjoyer

[strong cave]

glass cannon EB goes BRRRRRRRRR

[wild ridge]

If you can consistently get headshot kills. Which becomes difficult in higher scaled legendary content. It also allows you to bite off more than you can chew

And put yourself in a highly compromised position

[strong cave]

until you dont get that 3rd kill. then youre kissing the floor

[wild ridge]

Exactly 💯

[strong cave]

better have a revive hive 😂

[wild ridge]

Nah

[patent fossil]

Oh I'm not a fan of putting myself in compromised positions so I just don't try and solo legendaries for the most part

Whatever works for you though

[strong cave]

im always compromised. rogue protocol, activated

[wild ridge]

When you play that aggressive imo then you need the extra utility from other skill. That and there are some positions a reviver will not recover.

[strong cave]

communications jammed, proximity coverage only

[wild ridge]

That's why I never use reviver on hhf

[onyx sage]

impossible, how do you survive in leg without revive hive!!!???!

[wild ridge]

Because another skill gives more utility than something that on a build requiring an extremely aggressive play style that when I go down I'm cooked no matter what

[wild ridge]

That's my secret cap, I don't

[marble root]

im about to start using exclusively saywer's kneepads

legendary mission controllers got me messed up

[wild ridge]

Which one is this

[wild ridge]

Just kill them? Skill issue?

[onyx sage]

my tidal exodus video

[wild ridge]

Lol

[marble root]

its just stagger after stagger after stagger

i LOVE getting staggered 5 times with 5 blue core on a backfire build

[wild ridge]

Then kill them? Also the amount of drones they spit out is scaled to players. Also why are we bringing 5 blue backfire build to legendary

[marble root]

no not drone, the walking turret, not to be confused with the dog

[onyx sage]

mini tanks

[wild ridge]

Ohhhhh

Yeah those are just Bs machines

[shy willow]

busted 🚓🚓🚓

[onyx sage]

loool!! sure! what a joke!!!

[marble root]

drones are run by drone operators, controllers have the mini tanks that shit grenades while shooting 50 calliber bullets

because they can do both at the same time for some dumbass reason

[wild ridge]

Ye

My b

Just use a shotgun and one shot them

Be a hobo like me

[marble root]

like i can run though heroic with no reviver incredibly easy, but legendary i get spammed by 978 grenades in the first area

[wild ridge]

Where are you positioning yourself?

[marble root]

the blue crate cause its the only place that doesnt get hit by grenades at the start (until they move)

[wild ridge]

There's your first problem. Start by moving to the dumpsters in the middle

[onyx sage]

so here's a tip, they only shoot you or grenade you if they actually see your hitbox

you can position yourself so that you can shoot them and they can't shoot you

this is especially true for mini tanks

if you're playing a blue build then you're basically accepting the risk that you have to play up close to maximize your damage, which makes you get killed easier

[wild ridge]

This is why if you need a specific mob dead, you over peek it for just enough time to get him to peek you

[onyx sage]

ye

[wild ridge]

@marble root are you trying to do it in group or solo

[marble root]

solo

[wild ridge]

Yeah backfire with 5 blues is not gonna get you very far.

[marble root]

found a way that gets me past first room, 6 red strikers and a st elmos

[onyx sage]

yeah just use that

[wild ridge]

Ye. positioning becomes much more important solo since all the aggro is on you

[marble root]

is it possible to make sniper builds worth in legendary?

[wild ridge]

YES

Sniper was my first sub 30 legendary solo. Back when tips of the spear was goated

[onyx sage]

you're talking to a sniper main in legendary

[wild ridge]

Actually I'm bisexual I like shotguns too

But yeah

What expertise are you working with

[marble root]

0, NADA, CERO

also dont shotguns work funny with headhunter

[onyx sage]

yeah the synergy is very strong

[wild ridge]

Yes

[strong swan]

how do i extract obliterate to put on another chest piece?

[marble root]

"baby's first room 2 clear" announcement

[cerulean smelt]

open inventory, find your Tinkering button, goto libary, look for chests, talents and find obliterate, if you got the talent on something the chest will appear in this menu

[strong swan]

‘this slot cannot be recalibrated’ why is that?

[marble root]

you changed something else on it already

[lyric prism]

so the basic HF setup. I have an all red Matador. good pairing? Dark Winter good with it?

[strong swan]

oh ok i was not aware i wasn’t allowed to do more than one, i’ll just try to find another piece then. thank you!

[cerulean smelt]

you asked how to extract the talent
not trying to change to it

[strong swan]

I went to look into extracting but the talent was not showing up as available on there

I have another chest piece with obliterate but it won’t allow me to extract

[slate wedge]

is pvp meta also still the same

[marble root]

so how do i deal with the 3 chungus guys in room 2 with a sniper

[autumn yacht]

umbra and big horn

[marble root]

on DUA

[wild ridge]

Check dms

[slate wedge]

ouh cool, did umbra get buffed?

[autumn yacht]

no people just made a really clever build

[marble root]

thank you

[slate wedge]

i was mostly playing umbra, versatile with ouro and rpk

[cerulean smelt]

is that he catharsis big horn combo?

[slate wedge]

disn’t see anyone use that at the time, maybe it became more seen now

[cerulean smelt]

btw: if you're a fan of RPK you might enjoy the div 1 made into div 2 exotic LMG (> <)

[mint axle]

If you don't play legendary, you don't have to deal with them, simple : )

[tulip charm]

nah that lmg is doa

could've gotten a different exo for d1 other than pakhan

[rich lotus]

Pakhan is a pain

It looks nice in my stash tho where it’s staying

[cerulean smelt]

you tried it in PTS? it was even worse

[slate wedge]

i can only send a pic of the screen, not a screenshot but that is the build i was using a year ago

how far can you upgrade expertise now btw?

[slate wedge]

without the revive hive ofc

[cerulean smelt]

30 levels of expertise

[wild ridge]

^

[slate wedge]

oh damn

[cerulean smelt]

only 5 levels to go for you from teh looks of your upgrades on weapons

[slate wedge]

yeah but if it is still as expensive to upgrade then hell nah bro

what do you guys think of the build btw?

[cerulean smelt]

considering the watch mule got canned with brooklyn release i know

[slate wedge]

hows that?

i somehow also have all the watch points on my character still availible even tho i definitely used them before

[cerulean smelt]

so you remember you could level up 3 agents and they'd have seperate watch points to spend on scavenging points right?
now they pooled them to your account, so if you use 1 point on 1 agent and swap you'll notice you lost 1 point on another

[heavy grotto]

Anyone have suggestions on trying to grind out the St Elmo AR? I feel like I’ve tried everything but I’m sure someone out there knows something I don’t.

[cerulean smelt]

brooklyn released they gifted everyone the scavenging points you would normally have gotten when you grabbed your watch

[slate wedge]

oh okay

that sucks

[cerulean smelt]

obviously not if you're asking
best case = grabbing 3 friends, run countdown challenging with all of you AR target loot. whoever gets it drops it out of countdown to you
solo case = live in countdown ar target loot and buying the exotic caches every 2 runs and praying

[tulip charm]

No I didnt bother after reading the patch notes

[cerulean smelt]

pts it was horrible. not as crit heavy as now and the magazine size percent was a lot smaller

[heavy grotto]

Thanks! Honestly, countdown is about the only method I haven’t tried yet. Stepped away for a while n too many game modes to keep up with haha. Appreciate the suggestion!

[tulip charm]

yeah

[slate wedge]

is ouroboros still good in pvp?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[autumn yacht]

#td2-pvp-discussions , also it’s ok

[slate wedge]

oh ok thanks

[fair ridge]

so how do ya'll run backfire thingie? i'm not excited to go farm dz for yaahl

[cerulean smelt]

i don't run it at all honestly, it sits on my wall and in my stash

[fair ridge]

that is very helpful

[cerulean smelt]

2 cavier will net you 50% haz pro on it, 2 ceska gives 30% i think it was? or 40%?

[fair ridge]

well, there's 4 strikers and memento as staple and then there's options

yaahl is nice but... dz

[cerulean smelt]

here's the burning question. past this season, do you think you''ll continue to use the backfire build?

[fair ridge]

not this again 😄 I'm not building it for some unknown far future

[cerulean smelt]

well, people want backfire build because this season modifiers makes it strong. once this season ends probably won't do well at all beyond unless you do some tweaks here and there

[fair ridge]

i know how and why it works

was just wondering how people who run it built it. as there are variations

[rich lotus]

Any advice for dps on a raid ?

[cerulean smelt]

different chest talent honestly

[rich lotus]

I use crusader shield instead of the drone because of vanguard js not equipped

[rich lotus]

You don’t like vanguard ?😂 I think the 30% boost of armour to me and allies is handy and being immune to damage for a few seconds helps

What would you think be better

[cerulean smelt]

what armor?

[rich lotus]

Fs 😂

Ah it’s 45% but either way it helps

Just pop shield out and retract and got 45% bonus armour

[urban latch]

Just run it on your typical HF or striker build. Running haz pro with it is a trap. If your running the backfire in the right situation you won't bleed after a few reloads and/or when you reach max stacks. If your finding yourself constantly bleeding then it worth just running another gun instead of putting on haz pro.

[cerulean smelt]

thanks, but they told me they know how and why it works #td2-build-advice message

[rich lotus]

I’m not too aware but I’m sure there’s a gear piece that gives a chance of a auto reload too some people use

[fair ridge]

so blue strikers with chc chd and memento?

[cerulean smelt]

kneepads but you gotta vault over cover and do cover to cover

[fair ridge]

some people just go haz on all pieces, some on one

[rich lotus]

Ya ya that’s it someone was telling me when I was tryna get one together but decided against the backfire apart from raids

[urban latch]

It doesn't have to be blue. The place I use the backfire the most is the incursion, and that's just on your typical red striker build

[cerulean smelt]

OH! what if you went nimble holster for backfire and cover to cover the bleeding? (> <)

[fair ridge]

that would work I assume but you're dropping cozy option of memento

[urban latch]

Striker chest and backpack for the incursion

[urban latch]

You really won't want vanguard on a DPS build. It's not helping your build, and vanguard is a group wide buff/cool down. So in the situations where your team wants vanguard you'll have a proper tank running it. But if your popping vanguard your basically putting their considerably stronger vanguard on cool down for them.

[rich lotus]

Ahhhh didn’t know it was a group related cooldown appreciate that I do have another glass cannon ceska chest I’ve been switching between would that be better or you gotta better talent in mind ?

[urban latch]

Glass cannon is good/ideal, obliterate or unbreakable are other options

[cerulean smelt]

if you were to change some of yoru weapon damage to armor could be great, but i see you have no armor cores and only 700k base armor which in my eyes isn't much in terms of extra armor

[urban latch]

That would not be great for a raid build, it's only going to make their build worse.

[cerulean smelt]

oh right they asked for raids specifically didn't they? forgot that part

[rich lotus]

Yea not pve my pve build is more damage based and I use glass cannon I just thought cuz of the low armour the bonus would be handy since my team want me on full dps 😂

[rich lotus]

I appreciate it just tryna fit my build into my teams without hindering their stuff appreciate yalls info im finna switch to glass cannon cuz our healers are rlly good tbh I don’t gotta worry about armour

[marble root]

How does the badgers holster “claws out” work with bloody knuckles? Thinking of running both with a Sweet Dreams

Or a lady death

[cerulean smelt]

melee damage is non-existant in game honestly, but go for it i'd say

[fervent reef]

is there such thing as a Talent that can Regen ammo as I shoot enemies?

[marble root]

If you mean chest or backpack: no

[fervent reef]

sorry not ammo, Armor*

[marble root]

Heartbreaker gear set

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't regen armor gives bonus armor clear difference

[marble root]

Unless you want raw armour and not bonus then it’s locked to some gun talents

Like mmr preservation

Or if you want to be funny, you could go turbo Uber tank with foundry bulwark with shields

[cerulean smelt]

Memento is probably the best survivability exotic. picking up trophies gives you bonus armo on short term, long term you get armor regen on it

[marble root]

You go bulwark shield with a few skill tiers+technician hive and you’re nigh unkillable on anything other than legendary content

[cerulean smelt]

things get behind you and you die, you get set on fire or confused can eventaully die

[marble root]

You laugh but when I face tank millions of damage only to drain tank it all back you won’t

[fervent reef]

ok, so I'm mainly running this build rn... and I hit pretty good but barely anny armor and in the last match it seems like someone had a talent that helped me regen armor as I was hitting people

So i was wondering if that is such a thing or i'm just tripping

[cerulean smelt]

far as i know, there isn't any "you hit an enemy and gain armor back bit" but there are several "kill enemy and gain armor" things in game

[lyric prism]

Refactor set.

[cerulean smelt]

there is that, but i rarely see them (> <)

[lyric prism]

I like it, still deciding on Waveform vs 2nd hana piece.

[fervent reef]

maybe that is what im looking for....

[lyric prism]

I have perfect combined arms pack so 1 Hand already otherwise I would do like Wyvern and something

or whatever it is.

[cerulean smelt]

problem with refactor healing you gotta have skills you can do constant skill damage with. drone and turret assualt provides it, but turret can only shoot at what it sees and some environments can put the turret in a state it doesn't hit anything around it

[lyric prism]

this is truth.

[cerulean smelt]

dunno how many times i'm throwing my turret in what looks ilke a great space and it just drops a little in the perch and can't hit anything facepalms and i can't pick it back up to try and place it again so i destroy it and wait the cooldown....

[lyric prism]

yea, I try to get ahead on turret placement and wait 5 secs to see if my placer one makes sense but the recent change of NOT SEEING THE PLACE-ABLE TURRET BC WHY!?!!?! sort of makes it difficult.

lately I just find a place where I can put it way high and deal with finding best places in maps.

[mystic sky]

Hello. What is DZ Eaglerbearer build

[lyric prism]

a DZ PVP build centered around the raid exotic Eagle Bearer. Can also on super rare occasions drop in the DZ

[rich lotus]

Run it with the sweet dreams shotgun and one shot melee non elites 😂

[surreal oak]

hi, the kingbreaker with heartbreaker gear still strong in pve? I haven't played for a long time

[cerulean smelt]

i'd use a different ar over kingbreaker, but that's for you to decide

[surreal oak]

oh ok thx !

[rich lotus]

A lot of good ars tbh it’s always gunna be preference

[lyric prism]

an M4 w/ flatline might be more desireable simply for the RPM.

Kingbreaker does truck, dont' get me wrong

[rich lotus]

You could try the lud with perfect streamline I think that’s like 850 rpm not sure tbh but I run that for my secondary sometimes

[rich lotus]

It does tbh but you won’t catch me with it In my hands either 😂

[lyric prism]

yea. big bullet damage like the mk16 or something is nice but this game kills on RPM unless you got buffs to back the slow bullets.

750 is the absolute lowest I like the 'feel' of for AR RPM.

a C7 in Striker is a good feel simple bc Striker buff.

[fervent reef]

SO i think I want to use a different backpack and use "clutch".... Clutch helps me stay in the battle for longer. What backpack I could use instead of the Striker back pack? I think I'm just gonna look the Stricker chest piece instead so I can keep the attribute that the Stricker set gives me

[cerulean smelt]

think the problem i had with kingbreaker was how it shoots like an SMG you can have your aim on the head the bullets flies all around their heads mostly

[rich lotus]

Feeling like Emelines guard hits better 😂

[lyric prism]

agreed. it needs some sort of shooting handling.

its like the Striker/Overlord?? setup I did for Chaemeleon bc 30% accuracy on 2p. it was fun when the buffs for the gun came up but to get there you had no utility.

the accuracy helped a LOT.

so, yea, choose your battles.

[rich lotus]

Idk why I don’t see more chameleon users tbh I like it a lot

[lyric prism]

if you want easy survival -palisade piece w/ Gunner spec. 20% aok. it helps. even a single blue core helps a ton.

your SHD watch will help in the long run plus learning the game to not need that safety net.

[cerulean smelt]

because you got to get into people's faces to make it hit your targets

[lyric prism]

That. I found running the 2p overlord or whatever make it feel like an accurized AR. it was so good.

stuff died, the gun buffs weren't constantly up.

[cerulean smelt]

wasn't the range based on SMG as well?

[rich lotus]

True true last person I saw use it was a heavy pusher tbf

[lyric prism]

idk, it felt like AR range. it hit at that.

I might put the setup back together now I got better Striker pieces and +30 completed.

bzzzzt.

[rich lotus]

Do it chameleon is under appreciated

You’re making me want to 😂

[peak cloud]

I wonder what is the dps on a crit pistol build with the current pistol sets bonuses. Answer is likely "not enough", but sometimes swapping to something silly just for fun is a good way to destress.

[lyric prism]

with the right gun its probably as much as an AR.

[peak cloud]

These sets seems to give more damage together than all the red cores combined.

[rich lotus]

I use the prophet one shot build for fun 😂

[lyric prism]

X-45 or soemthing for the addons.

[peak cloud]

Oh no, I didn't mean chainkiller.

[cerulean smelt]

i gotta search for a pair of knees with weapon handling and headshot damage for my build. destroyed a pair i had 😭

[rich lotus]

I got myself a maxed out sucker punch 20% hs dmg and it made my prophet build so fun 😂

[lyric prism]

Yea but something so fun about Harvest w/. Chainkiller in a Dirty Harry sort of way.

[turbid light]

Haz pro Backfire build

[peak cloud]

I guess. I am a white death guy. Hard to justify anything else.

[cerulean smelt]

i get john wick vibes running it

[lyric prism]

but why? NBB and a single Cavailer do as much as most of that.

[cerulean smelt]

didn't think of Dirty Harry though 🤔 might be more accurate

[cerulean smelt]

people like nerfing themselves apparently

[rich lotus]

See that’s why when I tried it I got off it asap the dmg off put by haz pro isn’t worth it

Situational maybe good for raids I guess

With no skills or healing

[lyric prism]

you can run full red cores and still be hazpro immune and not seasonal modifier dependent, not even NBB.

NBB does give better ease of getting there.

[rich lotus]

Yahl?

[cerulean smelt]

dark zone exclusive brand set, think 1 pc gives 10% hazard protection?

[lyric prism]

Yaahl

[rich lotus]

Yea was just asking if that’s what he meant couldn’t remember how to spell it 😂

[cerulean smelt]

that's why people are desperate for the 1 piece. you get it with haz pro and chc or chd and swap core to weapon damage of if you're satisfied with it being armor

[turbid light]

All red is not safe to me. I do a lot of legendaries. Any damage on all red then it’s hide time.

[peak cloud]

Wait a moment. Pistols actually have a solid dps... Huh...

[subtle bluff]

Sorry that seem wrong here.. I solo and carry leggo all the time and I do it in all red
The build you posted you very lil in DPS wise.

[lyric prism]

the easiest to build w/o losing a usable slot is ND w/ NBB, single Cavalier and your last slot could be a palisade for some net if needed. Any single target make suck though but you would have a lot of chd.

[peak cloud]

Terrible optimal range though.

[lyric prism]

very.

in place of ND, run HF.

[cerulean smelt]

for pistols? yeah you gotta be in all their faces XD

[lyric prism]

get in their face. plenty of survival between set buffs and stuff.

just too easy to run HF or Striker, 2p Ceska and be done with it. Need a single bleed mod.

[subtle bluff]

TBH you don't need hazpro for backfire.

[lyric prism]

people think you do, you don't.

hence Striker. more RPM, more stacking, less not at top of stack preventing bleed.

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/R6vJhXTo0lI?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say bloodletter backpack would mitigate the bleeding from it anyways, but they still want ot build it

[subtle bluff]

And even then it's slow for solo stuff

Nah shoot more faster and the bleed does nothing

I finally built the hazpro video to make a compares vs a normal one since my first video was kind of ass and I keep getting chungas when I do the normal SMG version.

[rich lotus]

Yea tbh when I ran backfire I found tanking the bleed was better for dps without the right gear set for dps

[cerulean smelt]

good job on the video

[subtle bluff]

Making a newer one soon with the full build. It take 2 mins longer to do with the hazpro blues

It's soo aassss but I see why noobs run it...

[cerulean smelt]

YTer showed big million damage numbers mimimum and people go "BIG NUMBERS! I WANT!!!!"

[lyric prism]

check the buffs. its usually maxed out oblit and FI.

and a spawn closet

[cerulean smelt]

that's the problem with most yt videos. they show build and in a group mostly and people set out to get said build then come to us "why am i not getting big numbers?!"

[charred eagle]

For an OD build would I be losing out on a lot of dmg if I don’t use the chest piece? Been thinkin about usin ridgeways pride for the build so it’s hollow point ammo whenever since the chest applies bleed on targets….

[steep jay]

anyone have a really good damage build with the strikers set and memento backpack?

i want to hit like really high numbers, and rn i can do pretty good on heroic (im 318 shd level)

[autumn yacht]

full red memento ceska obliterate would probably be the best way to run it

[steep jay]

ight ight

thank you

[subtle bluff]

No use OD Chest. ridgeways is bad.

[subtle bluff]

Bullet dmg vs dps. Aka Ttk.

[steep jay]

OD ?

[subtle bluff]

Ongoing Directive

[steep jay]

its been a while so

[steep jay]

ahh ok ok my bad lmao thank you!!

[steep jay]

ahh gotcha

[visual viper]

Guys, how can I improve this? I'm trying to make it work, but it's very inconsistent.

[hexed steppe]

roll those grupo skilltier. use capacitor, use glass or kinetic momentum chest talent

that china mask can go hanna u and youll get another skilldamage bonus

im normally a mortar main, and this is how im set up. 10mil mortar shots when fully procced, 13mil mortar shots when fully procced w/btsu overcharge

this specifically has a guide in the pinned sheet. https://docs.google.com/document/d/19mY6aOHO0R6BIq7nDFNTk2bducYQkpwsQJNDQhnekAI/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.dznfr7r650m7

[visual viper]

The thing is, I want to do some damage myself. When I'm running 6 yellow cores I can't kill anyone and I'm running out of ammo very quickly. Also I don't have capacitor and gloves.

[green pumice]

Thoughts? made a build around the new mask.

[hexed steppe]

the reason youre lacking is specifically because you are dividing your damage. youre obv not activating future perfect ever. its only on 2 red cores and no crit rolls on the build. you need to focus if you want performance. that stinger hive is your close quarters damage so you really *shouldn't need to shoot unless its proccing insync.
until you get cap, use an insync shotgun. shotguns and capacitor have 12% damage to armor, which improves mortar hits. cap will use those yellow cores as weapon damage and youll be a lot stronger on your mortar shots.
with glass on the chest both skills and weapon damage are amped
getting capacitor is just going to summit and complete 5 ascent challenges and is a guaranteed drop the first time you unlock it.
youll see improvement if you make these changes. trust and youll be wiping areas with ease

[hexed steppe]

this is basically how i run od, but with coyote. can you ss the talent on that mask, i havent even looked at it yet

[onyx sage]

#td2-general-chat message

[hexed steppe]

should be decent. i would test it out in a mission then rerun with coyote and see which feels better

[green pumice]

theres more text, but yeah will do that.

[hexed steppe]

i inspected you to read it after i sent that req

[onyx sage]

the weapon damage + status effects stacking isn't working right now btw, i would wait till they do to give it a fair assessment

[hexed steppe]

thats fair

[onyx sage]

is sir making a pun

[green pumice]

oh its broken?

[onyx sage]

ye

[green pumice]

of course it is... smh

[onyx sage]

it only gives 1 stack rn of 2% weapon damage even if it visually looks like it's giving all 12

[visual viper]

Thanks man. Right now this is the best I can put together. It's very hard to find Sombra with yellow attributes.

[hexed steppe]

no doubt. that is sacrifice, right? i would temporarily swap the single grupo for wyvern or yellow contractors until you get the correct rolls. were either of those grupo already recalibrated and stuckl with red cores

im flakey today, sorry for the contradictory advice 😅
these 3 can be empress with glass until you get your proper yellow main core grupo/sacrifice

[subtle bluff]

Exotics aren't always the BiS or needed for every build is my tip here.

[visual viper]

This one is better. Don't have any decent empress pieces.

[hexed steppe]

rate my meme build
never ending decoy

[onyx sage]

smh

[hexed steppe]

i cant embed mkv or share personal yt, so ill link ya in a min bro

[subtle bluff]

Was in leggo before season patch and this was the guy has "a killer decoy build"

Was he cooking?

[hexed steppe]

how long it last? im currently on 10 min mark and decoy is being repaired from stowed artificer 😎

[autumn yacht]

take this into dz immediately

[hexed steppe]

theyll never find me. im sure ill be 100% safe

[autumn yacht]

the phantom seeker thrower

[hexed steppe]

the alps, murakami, shiney monkey were good choices. the missed opportunity using lengmo/empress because 3pc wyvers gives 45% skill duration and would have almost doubled. i might build it like that. i dumped everything into skill duration mods/brands then repair skills to boost artificer

[hexed steppe]

over 20 minutes now, and still going

this is ridiculous

[uneven pasture]

Hi all, curious… anyone created a Caretaker specific build? To take advantage of high crit dmg?

[subtle bluff]

He also thought hazpro would help his decoy.

[hexed steppe]

more uptime this way 👴

-# New hide and seek meta incoming

[urban latch]

its more valuable than most tanks you see in lfgs at least lol

[tired falcon]

technically the white flag buff from True Patriot does that but it's not reliable in actual fights. Next option is Ridgeway exotic vest but not really worth losing chest talents from regular gear.

The closest I got is Ongoing Directive with Ridgeway and Belstone backpack with Wicked talent; is a LoL build only good for solo heroic at best

[violet juniper]

True Patriot

Heartbreaker, Ridgeway. That's it really

[violet juniper]

Scrap the wicked and just use Vigi

OD, Vigi, Ridgeway, Iron Lung or a sadist weapon should still be pretty good

you just trade a hunk of damage for way more survivability

[subtle bluff]

It's the same thing we use for Dark Winter.

[craggy forge]

How much crit should i go for with this build?

[subtle bluff]

For any DPS builds, Crit should always be closest to 60% wihtout going over. If you have Coyotes 50-54% CHC.
Then the rest into CHD.

[hasty sluice]

Is there any situation to use FP? Me and a friends meme on it all the time since its a gun skill thats for "skill builds"

[tulip charm]

Oh local is a mod

When was this?!

[hexed steppe]

Personally I never bothered using it. Being an on kill talent, you're competing with full red strikers to get that kill. Not a great recipe for success. Solo it may be ok, but you'll want red cores thus weakening your skills in hope of the gun boosting them back up. It's a terrible piece imho. Just seems counterproductive when capacitor uses skill tiers as weapon damage and dosnt require you to nerf yourself.

[hasty sluice]

capacitor uses skill tiers as weapon damage and dosnt require you to nerf yourself.
thats the main reason we meme on it. Capacitor is overused for a reason.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah no... wicked works really well on od. Ridgeways is also a bad choice when od chest gives a solid damage boost.
Running gunner spec for aok is enough survivability.

[violet juniper]

Right, but 18% versus 25% amp

wicked might work well but it's also a direct loss of damage

[hexed steppe]

Vig is total weapon damage. While wicked is a true amp

[violet juniper]

doesn't it still work out to less damage

Anarchist cookbook has a shout, regular wicked does not

[hexed steppe]

The talent has to stay active 100% if you want to actually compare damage. On paper vig is good and not a horrible choice... but the fact you were suggesting running ridgeways at the same time as suggesting vigilance kinda screams you arent seeing 100% up time.

[onyx sage]

wicked is total just like vigi, just less value but higher uptime

[hexed steppe]

That's fair.

[hexed steppe]

I'm also not seeing how anarchists cookbook perf wicked is better than regular wicked considering the offer the same damage boost.

Just trades a crit stat for status effect brand bonus

[violet juniper]

23% amp

[tulip charm]

Show proof

[violet juniper]

It's in the talent description?

Or did I get it wrong lol

I'm not on division rn so I can't check

[tulip charm]

Yes you did

Wicked and perf ver is the same 18% amp

[violet juniper]

eh, then wicked gets outclassed even worse by Vigilance

I'm still convinced devs didn't actually think the talents through, they just can't be assed to rework them

[tulip charm]

That’s assuming you’re not getting hit constantly

[violet juniper]

If you're getting hit, you're not playing correctly

All red players should not be getting hit

[tulip charm]

Well duh

[onyx sage]

🙏

[violet juniper]

On paper, and in game, Vigilance is the best backpack talent lol (for DPS, i shouldn't have to specify this but whatever)

[onyx sage]

church of dontgethit%

[flint wave]

bad church

[violet juniper]

no hit equals more damage

[flint wave]

👎

[violet juniper]

OP Tank strat, take no damage at all

[onyx sage]

why is bro trolling

[flint wave]

memento backpack

👍

[violet juniper]

Memento does nothing if you die

Join the church, you don't need that armour regen

[flint wave]

dont die then 🧠

[violet juniper]

Don't get hit

[shy willow]

I'm all for the don't get hit mentality but wicked is a no brainer on OD

You get pretty much constant uptime

[violet juniper]

Vigilance is constant uptime

[hexed steppe]

i use both depending on build. vigilance and wicked are both solid and we're talking a 7% difference... 7% difference that may be lowered due to being hit... but, im guessing youre running everything flawless and wouldnt be hard pressed to prove it with some evidence... on paper is always different than actual use.

im still wondering about that ridgeways chest suggestion... considering youre diggin in your heels over 7%, im shocked you would suggest someone dropping a 30% amp

[violet juniper]

I don't know if I should use a measured Stoner or Iron Lung on this Strike build

[violet juniper]

NGL I would never use Ridgeway on OD, it was the other guy

[hexed steppe]

👆

[violet juniper]

and this?

lmao, I'm not using Ridgeway over OD chest and coyote

[hexed steppe]

then why suggest for others?

[violet juniper]

I didn't, we were talking about what gear does the "shoot people for armour" mechanic

then someone said about his build, I said use Vigi instead

How has this segweyed into " you suggested Ridgeway instead of OD chest" lmao

I should go back to OD honestly. I want to try Catalyst with it

[hexed steppe]

thats fair, i didnt realize this was part of a different conversation

[violet juniper]

no harm done:)

[onyx sage]

uhhhhh segued 🤓

i'm taking my leave

[violet juniper]

I'm just an average player

[onyx sage]

hey that's my line

[tired falcon]

I can think of a situation, and I've tested this in legendary missions:
Foundry set with Memento, with the last gear item being whatever you want (ie a grupo vest with Obliterate).
Mechanical Animal as primary, Iron Lung as secondary

weaken enemies with Iron Lung, finish them off with Mechanical Animal.
The bonus skill tiers are a big buff to shield health regen.

You can't fully face tank, but just enough to consistently push enemies and fall back when you need to

[shy willow]

Foundry is bad enough, combining it with talents that rely on kills is even worse

[dark sierra]

Anyone have a build for sweet dreams?

[violet juniper]

Works best on medic builds

You can't build a conditional one shot gun

[dark sierra]

You have any links for them?

[rich pawn]

If I got ninja's messenger. I already have 3 pieces for striker and working on getting my 3rd piece GR, but I was wondering what the other two sets should be. umbra and negotiators with armor main base instead of going all dmg?

[violet juniper]

unfortunately no

it's just a support gun really. Works well for picking off individual enemies

[stable marten]

Have they said anything about the huntsman timer renewing instead of having to wait for it to full run out before it will proc again?

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what?

Frenzy only procs when you reload from empty.

[violet juniper]

Frenzy timer renews when you empty the mag. Huntsman just has a smaller mag and way higher RPM so frenzy has a lot more uptime

[hasty sluice]

What do you like about it?

[violet juniper]

Spas-12 🤤

[dark sierra]

It's the only exotic I have on my Xbox account right now so just trying to see what type of stuff is recommended for it

[subtle bluff]

keep farming

[hasty sluice]

The best it's used for is a "support" tank that uses it as a get off me tool via melee. Other than that not much.
If you enjoy the Spas there is a named one called Thorn that is quite good.

[marble maple]

can anyone drop me a refactor build? Im thinking refactor chest piece + named hana u backpack + waveform holster

[hasty sluice]

Sounds good if going for tech based

[fiery scarab]

I use Sweet Dream on my PFE build from time to time

[marble maple]

When do I run refactor backpack

[hasty sluice]

What is that talent again?

[marble maple]

over the force multiplier

[marble maple]

perfect combined arms for hana u and the refactor backpack gives bonus armor from the heals

[hasty sluice]

Iirc the bonus armor isn't used since it only gives armor to you. If you are solo and need extra survivability then use it I guess. But you really shouldn't

[marble maple]

So pre much this?

[subtle bluff]

Don't use waveform. Another Hann-u chest with GC is best.

[marble maple]

hows the survivability tho?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on you more than the build.

I run all reds everywhere no issues.
You have free heals already

[marble maple]

so would you recommend 5 yellow 1 red or 1 blue?

[tired falcon]

hunters fury, bloody knuckles, the Perfect Unbreakable vest, in whatever mix of red/blue cores you prefer

[tranquil delta]

Hey guys I'm running 4 piece strikers with memento. If my only spot open is my holster, and I wanted to make it work with hazpro etc, what blue cores should I roll in and what red cores should I keep? Backfire

[solar sable]

I'm assuming PvE dedicated.
Change the Striker chest for a ceska/grupo w/Obliterate and keep memento.

Why change Striker chest?
You're probably thinking that the more stacks you get, the more dmg you'll deal. And that's fine, but keep in mind that nowhere in the Open World (LZ) will you find opportunities to either maintain or get full Striker stacks outside of Raids and Legendary.

[hexed steppe]

refactor chest. do 2 hanna instead of waveform.
Pinned sheet > Hub (builds) has a ton of guides. refactor setup is in the turret drone guide and here https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vfhmvazeq14

and dont bother with the refactor bag. your heals scales with your damage so dont want to lose your bag talent

[echo drift]

@Green are you planning to roll a hazpro striker backfire build? first thing you have to think and consider is do you have 10% hazard protection roll in your library for ALL armor pieces, you'd want some flexibility in what slot to move around

even if you can farm a striker with a hazard protection roll, it wont matter if you don't have a 10% haz pro in your library since you can't optimize it to 10% if you don't

[hexed steppe]

how i run it, sometimes ill use a wyvern bag and palisades piece as well

[solar sable]

bro this hazpro backfire needs to stop

[echo drift]

@solar sable its very very appealing since is a very tanky build with a bunch of blue cores and having damage at the same time

[solar sable]

you can just reply to my message but whatever

IMO if you use blue cores (no offense) you just need to get better. I'm sorry.

[subtle bluff]

It's not that tankie vs HB. Maybe yes it's ok for noobs.
HB can do everything better but at the very top end depending on the build.
I mean hell, you could do this build on HB I have in the past. ,

[echo drift]

tell that to nearly all division content creators selling this build

[verbal gust]

Didn’t see any sacrum imperium builds in the gdoc or am I blind. lol. Is it viable?

[subtle bluff]

there context creators they're making click bait.
None of them probably even min-max the build correctly.

[subtle bluff]

It isn't.

If I put the build together and did something like this. They wouldn't been happy.
https://youtu.be/R6vJhXTo0lI?

[verbal gust]

Backfire is a meme. Gun has been for years lol

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[verbal gust]

That purist tho smg-9 absolutely shreds.

[verbal gust]

I mean to me. I just don’t like it. Idk.

[subtle bluff]

I am only hating on BF for solo play really.

I use it in speedruns all the time.

But in normal play it's not worth

[verbal gust]

Yeah? Idk I use controller so it’s hard to control with being bled it’s weird

[subtle bluff]

There are diminishing returns for CC.
If you get 3 of the CC you become immune for a small time.

Also if you read Backfire correctly. You only get bleeds for "added stacks."

[shy willow]

Backfire before was like insanely annoying to use

Now it's like unironically really good for situations where you're fighting lots of tanky stuff

Mainly incursion

[tranquil delta]

Yea I'm running memento with striker head holster legs knees and all rolled to Weapdmg/Hazard and I'm super squishy. I have a lil bleed resist in there to. What helps the squishiness?

[weak jetty]

Any fun builds for pvp?

For now all I see in the darkzone is just umbra

[clever merlin]

Swap some red to blue cores?

[tranquil wave]

Bleed or 1.9 mil crit one

[weak jetty]

What?

[tranquil wave]

if you want to try something else, go for pvp support builds, try ridgeway bleed one, or just max out crit one with all blue cores

depends what you're after in conflict/dz

[weak jetty]

Idk, I'm just bored of umbra

[tranquil wave]

go for pistol builds perhaps, oneshot sniper?

[weak jetty]

One shot Sniper? In pvp?

That's possible?

[tranquil wave]

i mean there are crazy people who use it

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, skill thing ig

[weak jetty]

Hm, k

[warm dock]

Yes 2 nights ago I had a guy obliterate me and my squad

[weak jetty]

Wait

2 nights ago. Was the map the one with like, shops and stuff

I think I was in that match

Final minute dude was camping out at parking area spawn

[warm dock]

Nah

[strong cave]

I've been running around with this in conflict. It hits for sure. Pull the shield out right before you die and are close to winning a fight, regulus crits will win it for you. You can also use it to be a cheeky prick and use right hand advantage to pixel peek on people holding corners

Just note the 3rd attribute on my fox's is CHC. My Picaros and Contractors is CHD. Fill in the rest with max CHC mods and crits on the rolls themselves for the gear

[warm dock]

If we don't have Lexington what other weapon do you recommend?

[strong cave]

Famas is next best in line

[warm dock]

Tyvm

[strong cave]

Feel free to throw streamlined on your secondary if you desire, as a "backup" choice. Crit reg I made for having 3 options to pick from in a fight as opposed to sticking with Reg only

Two primaries, then sidearm. Plenty of choices lol

[warm dock]

I'm tryna get some pvp builds on the go lately so I'm keeping all options open lol

[ruby shard]

Any good end game builds content for solo play

[warm dock]

It depends on what you're trying to go for. Like how end game are you talking like raids and the incursion or more pvp based? There's a lot of builds

[ruby shard]

pve based content

[warm dock]

If you've progressed in the journey you can check out some of the backfire haz protection builds going around or heartbreaker tanky builds

[ruby shard]

i'm a returning player, haven't played the new expansion but have done New York.

[warm dock]

I personally enjoy using a heartbreaker blue screen LMG build with exodus gloves and nightwatchers mask. (All should be farmable from countdown) and a pulse/decoy

[heavy spoke]

@warm dock are you able to show a screenshot of ur build ?

[cerulean smelt]

why you need a screenshot? unless you want their stats screenshot? heartbreaker chest,backpack, holster, knees, gila guard named mask nightwatchers and exodus exotic gloves with pulse and decoy skills using hte bluescreen exotic lmg, the 2nd weapon can be whatever you want really and the sidearm same thing
no clue if they went the armor route with chc then everything into crit damage or they farmed up the heartbreaker with chc/chd then swapped the armor to weapon damage or maybe a 3 red and 3 blue route?

[warm dock]

Can't supply a SS rn but I run 4 blue core 2 red and I have technician as my specialist so I have the laser pointer on an ACS drum mag shotgun with brazen talent and DTTOOC (placeholder till I get a rock n roll shotgun) I try to max the crit chance and the rest crit damage on my mods

Only reason for the shotgun with the technician laser is so I get armour stacks instantly

[subtle bluff]

What’s SS?

[worn isle]

everyone knows jahl brand is come or not? i trying build it backfire with no bleed and only max cd solo heroic

[cerulean smelt]

screenshot

[worn isle]

i use 4 strikers with armor and hazard added max on and cd but i missing jahl vest with oblirate talent cd and cc

[errant wren]

Hello everyone is there any website help me for build in the division or anything help me in the game.

[subtle bluff]

Help you and everyone break down the Best ACS12 for there build
Lefty with both to RoF is BiS for the quickest Stack Building to 100.
ACS12 DTTooC w/Brazen BIS for DPS
RocknRoll BiS for stack building to 200

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages the GDoc

[errant wren]

Sorry I don’t know where is it

[subtle bluff]

You on a PC or mobile?

[errant wren]

Mobile

[subtle bluff]

Tap the Channel name then go to Pin

[worn isle]

so hey do you have any tips advice with my build? i use striker vest without jahl vest