td2-build-advice

[cerulean smelt]

lol, i tried the dual dial up method. worked wonders for FPS games (> <)

[strong cave]

Oh yeah memento is fine. Just run it as a crit setup, not headshot

[peak meadow]

In group play, if you aren't getting kills, you aren't getting the maximum value out of it.

[strong cave]

^^ this. In group play run striker bag

[peak meadow]

It's okay for giving two skill tiers to your shield in solo play but I still wouldn't run it in that context.

[strong cave]

As a solo player majority of the time by preference, I approve of memento. Group play where you struggle with kills at times, not worth it

[meager fog]

COD2 was the absolute peak of online gaming and I will not argue this point.

[mental zealot]

I see 🤔

[subtle bluff]

You should do leggo with me and Bile

[cerulean smelt]

for me i was hooked on Counterstrike. 2 modems did make a tad difference in playing XD

[strong cave]

I got a goofy build I recently made might be perfect for it

2 actually

[strong cave]

For me, cod MW2 was. Cod 4 was where it all hit the hardest tho

[cerulean smelt]

evee gave me an idea i'm trying to get. no luck so far

[strong cave]

Nothing like entering in an MW2 lobby and the whole lobby talking smack and that random 6 year old screaming on the mic 😭😭😂😂

[meager fog]

God MW2 was like the Fortnite of my teens

😫

[strong cave]

I was lucky to experience it when I did. I was so damn young but GOD the community was there. It was golden. Nothing can match it

[hazy steeple]

The slurs really tied the game together.

[strong cave]

BO2 is when it was at its highest peak

[meager fog]

I was 19...dammit stop it 🤣🤣

[strong cave]

YES. You know it. We all know it 😂

[strong cave]

One cod experience I wish I could bring back was MW2. Modern day cod, id revive all the OG warzone maps. Rebalance all the MW19 guns, Cold War, and Vanguard. Both cod parties would be so happy

[meager fog]

Greatest game ever made?

Orcarina of Time.

I'll die on this hill.

[peak meadow]

OH RIOT SHIELD, I'M A [expletive] THAT USES RIOT SHIELD

[strong cave]

😂😂😂😂😂

[peak meadow]

That video kills me every single time

[strong cave]

Mom get the camera!!! God... Trickshotting was so perfect back then. I was such a big faze fanboy

[peak meadow]

@hazy steeple can I post the video

It, unfortunately, has explicit language

[strong cave]

You might be playing with fire my boi be careful 😂 but that's good to ask

[peak meadow]

YUM YUM YUM YUM YUM

[hazy steeple]

Sorry, standards and all that

[strong cave]

Bro is literally self-sadist talent

If y'all could revive 1 game what would you guys revive? Id revive Halo 3

[peak meadow]

Metal gear online 1

Actual Resident Evil Outbreak File 1

[cerulean smelt]

Black and White 1

[meager fog]

Orcarina of Time, UE5 remake

[meager fog]

Black and White was hilarious 😂

[cerulean smelt]

the bits i remember? totally, but i never figured it out. now i think i could probably play it a lot better

[meager fog]

Used to spend hours just picking up villagers and throwing them around

[strong cave]

Alright. What's a modern game you cannot stand? I have to give this one to R6 Siege

[cerulean smelt]

can we say division 2 even though we still play it? (> <)

[strong cave]

Fkn felt. FELT.

[meager fog]

Fortnite, and anything that has similar graphics.

Rocket league.

FIFA

Every COD made after 2005.

The list is endless

[hazy steeple]

That seemed pretty finite.

[meager fog]

I could go on...

[peak meadow]

One day I joined a Siege server with a Chinese name and one guy immediately threw slurs at me

[subtle bluff]

that a real thing

[strong cave]

MW19/MW3 2023 were pleasant experiences for me tbh for cod. I love how both of those cod games felt. The matchmaking was... Awful, to say the least. But casual gameplay against vet bots was so fun

[hazy steeple]

That was basically my entire online experience growing up, so you get used to it.

[cerulean smelt]

truth be told, i'd love to play some COD vs bots honestly or even Battlefield vs Bots

[strong cave]

Very. I tried to get into siege as a new player, and instantly got called a fun word. Starts with R- rhymes with "lard". Multiple syllables. As well as other names. Yeah, instead of helping me, they'd rather insult me. I quit, left a bad review on steam. Went back to division

[meager fog]

Original Battlefield...what a game

[subtle bluff]

R6 is the new level of toxic

I still enjoy the game tho

[meager fog]

Eh. R6S is tame vs basically any MOBA

[peak meadow]

13 year DOTA 2 player

[strong cave]

If anyone plays siege willingly, and loves the toxicity of it, I question their sanity

[cerulean smelt]

still can't fly a darn XD

[sick depot]

Which beginner friendly build would You recommend that involves Elmo and no Exotic armor?

[peak meadow]

I can tell you one thing: NA Dota players are weak

[strong cave]

Cod is one of those ones where people underrate the fun of going against bots. Especially when you crank up the difficulty. It's good practice

[sick depot]

ATM Im running 4 piece hunter + PS + Ceska, shield and revive, dont use other weapons

[solar sable]

hotshot maybe

[solar sable]

regular HE too

[peak meadow]

Replace the mask with a grupo Sombra mask

[cerulean smelt]

every cod i'm like "maybe i can vs bots this game!" no bots game in T_T

[subtle bluff]

Save this for now

[strong cave]

There's mod clients for the older cod games that add in bots. MW2/MW3 notably. Bo1-4 had them. Ghosts - Infinite warfare as well

[cerulean smelt]

maybe they got better about it and i just don't bother anymore, but yeah i'd ahve to google "COD vs bots?" and find nope or i'd have to some kind of 3rd party software to set one up

[strong cave]

The mod clients also keep the game up and running too

[peak meadow]

Lemon Demon makes the best music

As long as we're talking about old stuff

[cerulean smelt]

never heard of them, but i do like heiakim

[strong cave]

Like, no armor build? Bc I'd actually recommend HeadHunterFury

Doesn't use Elmo's but watching enemies die by 1 shot headshot for shotguns is funni

[peak meadow]

We already posted two striker builds that can use Elmo's

[sick depot]

I dont have exotic armor pieces

[cerulean smelt]

are they needed?

[sick depot]

Thank You for screena with builds

[rose rapids]

what are some good dz builds?

[glacial isle]

is there a link for that or is it pinned ?

[strong cave]

Bighorn Hazpro + HSD + passive regen, Striker memento, high end crit Vigi builds, Umbra. That's the current meta rn

With bighorn buffs I'd dare argue you could do Hazpro + Regen and don't even bother with HSD

[peak meadow]

The other one is up there

Posted by Mr Chow

[sick depot]

This build stacks crit dmg right? Where does crit chance come from?

[peak meadow]

Chest piece, gun, mask, watch

15+6+6+8+10 IIRC

• Coyote buff

Also 6% mod

[muted fjord]

This is a good starter build to farm? I just hit 40 so looking for my first build

[peak meadow]

Yeah, it's fine

[lavish spoke]

i´m also using this Striker Build but i die so fast should i change cores to Blue?

[peak meadow]

Use Elmo's instead of Lexington and SMG-9 instead of ACS-12 if you want

[peak meadow]

This is unfortunately a skill issue.

Look at how this player utilizes head-level cover to avoid being shot

This is how high level players avoid taking unnecessary damage with that build.

[lavish spoke]

yeah i think that explains it a lot

[peak meadow]

Basically just always prioritize tall cover for yourself

[quartz ermine]

that hunter got discombobulated xd

[lavish spoke]

true i will try it for sure

[peak meadow]

Though to answer your question in earnest, if you're playing under Legendary, you can add some blue cores and it'll likely be fine. It's discouraged in Legendary since damage is always going to be king in that difficulty.

[lavish spoke]

i think i should change my Playstyle and use more Cover and positioning thanks for the Advice

[peak meadow]

Enjoy

[subtle bluff]

Read the guide. Ceska brandset bonus helps a lot. If you go to Pinned Message there's a GDoc to learn about.

[young sail]

guys i dunno if it s the proper channel, is there a way to farm LENGMO set apart from target farming in summit ?

[cerulean smelt]

countdown or your flavor of open world/missions you enjoy living in with lengmo target loot

[young sail]

so no blueprints or vendors, just summit and countdown

[cerulean smelt]

blueprints if you were here during the season it dropped i think?

[young sail]

i was not, ty anyway, does countdown drops more than summit? or its the same

[cerulean smelt]

a whole lot more since you're running with 7 others and get a whole lot of loots

[peak cloud]

Are strikers, umbra and centurion holster the only esys to buff rate of fire?

[young sail]

some weapon talents does it aswell, cant think of anything else rn

[hearty owl]

Gunner spec

[cerulean smelt]

Frenzy

[peak cloud]

Oh, fair. I wonder how much handling is required to laser the ravenous at higher rof...

[hearty owl]

Some weapon mods

just pull your mouse down 🙂

[peak cloud]

No way, this thing kicks like a horse with each shot.

Very bouncy. At least at strikers rof.

[cerulean smelt]

increase mouse speed?

[hearty owl]

Mmmm could try Braced

[cerulean smelt]

oh! get a trackball mouse and just spin that ball down wards

[peak cloud]

Might actually try it with one opf the rifle themed sets with handling for 3 pieces. But I am afraid that using it with centurions would be too cumbersome.

Centurions sounds like manual Breaking Point...

Although breaking point, if all bullets land, with a backpack, should give 432% wd to ravenous. In theory. Could be bonkers if emptying it's clip didn't took forever.

[solar berry]

I wish BP didn’t rely on headshots for stacks. But it is, what it is

[late karma]

Hey everyone, im new in dv2 and i have a question about meta builds, and what skills i must have. I want build for damage rifle but idk what is the best

[bronze patio]

can this build can keep up this season? for GR9 or should i go for striker

[verbal gust]

Check pinned gdoc has a bunch of builds

[young sail]

u can start with a striker set build, evergreen and easy to farm, then u can go and search something more to your taste

[late karma]

So how can i get striker set?

[young sail]

reach level 40 then target farm it in summit or countdown

[gilded socket]

anyone know a good pesty build ?

[stray spindle]

Countdown heroic for shire.

[vague thunder]

anyone have a build for legendary? looking to get idea on what sort of equipment i need to farm

[loud pine]

personally i like bluescreen ND for legendary but main ones are strikers with chestpiece and an eclipse cc

[vague thunder]

guess i need to farm eclipse set then. will check this

[eager viper]

Looking for a nice CC skill build. Using eclipse with foam. Stay this route or is there something better?

[vague thunder]

any thoughts on running nego dilemma on legendary? is it bad?

[loud pine]

nope its very good

[vague thunder]

cuz i already got the set unused, figure i just modified it for legendary run

although not sure if can do solo build. if not then got any advice on what core/attribute i should role?

[loud pine]

for leggo? just all red damage is king

[vague thunder]

sure no need to add some blue role in? cuz i feel like i die if i went in all red on legendary

[loud pine]

learning where to shoot from and enemy priority will give you more survivability in legendary than any armour cores will

armour cores mean stuff dies slower = more time for enemies to kill you

[vague thunder]

understood captain

will try running it tonight. right after my dumbass meeting

[buoyant perch]

Just expect a lot of dying. It's a part of the legendary learning process. You can also watch YouTube videos to memorize strat and spawn locations.

[wild ridge]

^ this.

Legendary imo is a lot of memorization to get truly good at, as the spawns are mostly consistent (with some being weighted to where the majority of players are looking.) and their compositions will always be the same.

[bright raptor]

one note is that all red Negotiator's will make you a priority target for enemies because they do know you can do a lot of damage

but learning will indeed help with this

[vague thunder]

wait all red can bring aggro?

[loud pine]

negotiators brings aggro

its like a soft taunt, if you do a lot of damage the ai realises its you and will go for you

and since ND has you spreading damage they will want your ass lol

[vague thunder]

welp running solo so only my ass in there anyway

[unborn hazel]

I cant wait for them to want it Im ready and open...waiting I mean waiting

[vague thunder]

god cant believe i just say that

[patent elbow]

Anyone got a good build for the backfire? I've seen a lot of different options, just wanna know which set works best with it. Preferably with some survivability because the gun does a lot of dps by itself

[wild ridge]

Gr9 striker frenzy

[peak cloud]

Wait. But nowhere in Breaking Point it states that you need a headshot? Only to hit a normal shot?

[hushed gorge]

i guess the catalyst mask is fixed

[twilit dock]

for solo I've been running backfire w/ 4p strikers, memento BP and ceska chest with obli. 4 blue cores 1 red and haz pro on everything. CHD/haz pro on ceska and 2 CHD 1 CHC mods. I've tried different variants and some with all red cores, I just don't like playing solo that way

[urban latch]

just run the backfire on a normal build. You really dont need/want haz pro with the backfire. If your using it where you should, you shouldnt feel the need for haz pro at all. If you do thats just telling you that you should be using another SMG for the situation

[safe thunder]

hi guys , basically my friend told me to do a Pure dps build , for bosses on raids , he let me see his build and he dont use any green set what u guys use for bosses on raid?

[still gyro]

Is there a good solo build that has a mix of survivability and damage for heroic and legendary? Too many times on striker feel like I peak for too long or get flanked and die so quickly, how is bluescreen negotiators?

[peak cloud]

Game just gave me a sign by dropping an eagle's grasp, lmao.

[urban latch]

check out the pinned google doc. Bunch of info and guides in there. The build your friend is talking about is the standard DPS build, its been the main dps build for raids since gear 2.0 for a reason. The other common DPS build for raids is striker. Each have their advantages depending on the boss/role your on. Ideally have both, striker is easier to put together, but I personally use the high end build the majority of the time in raids if I were just picking one.

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔 it says hitting a shot to gain stacks. I’ll have to test it out more. But I feel like breaking point needs a buff anyways. But I do know stacks per shot depends on what you use. Rifle is less stack gain but faster rof overall. But snipers gain more stacks per shot but slower rof.

[solar berry]

It’s fixed? 👀

Because the Y7S1.1 update haven’t dropped yet. Many issues is still being investigated on trello

[peak cloud]

I thought it was 1 point per bullet, with cap being a magazine size?

[solar berry]

Maybe mag size. If that’s the case, big mag be more worth but a lot of shots require to full stacks…

But small mag is quicker stack ramp up

[peak cloud]

Yes, that's my problem with it. At large mags it could offen an immense damage boost, but it would:
Take forever to ramp up.
Each miss is a loss of stack because you will consume them upon reload.

[solar berry]

I tried white death vs acs rifle. Takes so long to reach max stacks on acs rifle… the acr variant

[peak cloud]

White death? Dunno, with 5 of the mag size you'll get what. 20% WD when all the shots hit. 36% with a backpack.

Not worth it, since it's not a total.
Ravenous have a potential to reach 400%+ if all shots hit, but it's near impossible to hit them all normally.

[solar berry]

Each miss is a loss 👀 I never looked that far into it. Wish it was like strikers post striker buff striker made it, miss shots don’t count as lost gain anymore

If that’s the case

[peak cloud]

Each miss is a loss because stacks themselves are consumed upon reload.

[solar berry]

I was just messing around with it, nothing to serious

[peak cloud]

To give an effect.

[solar berry]

Yea the 10s after reloading

Mmm 🤔 gearset needs a buff anyways.

[peak cloud]

True. Too clunky...

[solar berry]

It’s not bad but it’s also it good 🫡

If it wasn’t headshot based. Maybe be abit more worth. But it was made for snipers originally. Rifle was added later on I think. Or other way around

[peak cloud]

It isn't headshot based...

Else there won't be rifles with low base damage, right?

No point headshotting with them. At least aside of dread edict.

[solar berry]

+3 is 30 HSD bonus

[peak cloud]

A bit of a waste, but not related to the main bonus at all. Somehow.

I think this set is just poorly planned.

[solar berry]

Why would they randomly put HSD on the gearset? If it wasn’t HSD based

[peak cloud]

Dunno. 30% doesn't exactly make it a headshot beast.

[solar berry]

Striker is rof and WH. It’s all about shoot to kill fast and weapon performance in general.

ND is chc/chd based, 4p helps to gain more chd and split dmg for marked targets

All other gearset bonuses align to what the gearset does overall. But BP can use any other stat but HSD

But rn, it’s focused on headshots. Prob because hitting hsd is the focus for stacks gaining.

I noticed using ACS rifle, hitting hsd, I was maybe gain more stacks or feels more powerful overall than hitting body shots all day.

[vestal shard]

hi what is a good build i can go for

[slate spoke]

there is a lot of good ones, really depends on what content you want to run

[vestal shard]

i just completed battle foor brooklyn

so im not too sure what to do now

[slate spoke]

you run mostly solo or in a group?

[vestal shard]

solo

[slate spoke]

there is a handy spreadsheet pinned to the channel to help you know what gear people are talking about. and a few semi outdated build guides in it.

[vestal shard]

hmm what is good tho for solo

[solar sable]

Recommended builds:

Striker's.
HF.
Hotshot.
HHF.
OD.
Nego.

[slate spoke]

i might catch some flak for this but probably highend gear assault rifle and memento backpack

[solar sable]

any of the above

[slate spoke]

anything striker will work for everything

[vestal shard]

ah ok

[slate spoke]

i suppose with more info into your playstyle we could recommend something more specifically

[vestal shard]

im more of a sniper kinda player

[slate spoke]

with a marksman rifle or just being long range with other guns?

mine isn't the best but this is what i run for sniper

[vestal shard]

yea marksman rifle

im running a 1886 and a classic m44 carbine

[slate spoke]

with determined on the guns and headhunter on the chest?

[vestal shard]

er its just random gear from when im clearing the story quest

[slate spoke]

ahh then its worth trying to get those talents in and see how you like it.

[hushed gorge]

use chainkiller vest

[craggy forge]

this or better to play with armor instead of weapon damage?

[fervent reef]

how can I get these?

[peak cloud]

Memento isn't popular in high-end build, right?

[subtle bluff]

Woah someone searched!
Ideally you only need WD. But at first if you want to reroll a core or 2 to armor feel free to do so.

[peak cloud]

Somehow it's not in a recommended options list.

[subtle bluff]

The point of HE build is that is there is no stacking needed.

[craggy forge]

How about memento with Striker? Or isn't it that useful?

[subtle bluff]

For future #ask-td2-community we're builders in here. You can get these from doing the faction mission, bounties, cp, open world activity etc.
Or you can craft them if you have the blueprint.

[craggy forge]

@subtle bluff so not getting memento for striker? 😄

[subtle bluff]

It works too.

[craggy forge]

Like when does it make sense to pick memento over striker backpack?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the player.

Memento does give more survival

There should be another Pic here with striker memento?

[craggy forge]

No there isn't

At least not in the spreadsheet

[slate spoke]

best is to craft them, if you don't have the blueprint you can unlock it eventually by running control points.

[craggy forge]

St Elmo is the go to?

AR

[subtle bluff]

Ya but a lot of stuff works.

[fervent bloom]

any AR or other automated weapons that are better than ST Elmo?

[peak cloud]

Build calculator from the link above. It doesn't take talents like spotter and flatline into consideration, right?

Bluescreen outperforms kingbreaker on the plot...

Yep, removed spotter and the plot didn't change.

[subtle bluff]

For dmg stuff?

[peak cloud]

Yes.

[subtle bluff]

Kingbreaker is really bad atm.

Mx builder?

[peak cloud]

Used it to see if taletns are accounted for.

[fervent bloom]

is Saint Elmo or Strega better for a Striker DPS build?

[subtle bluff]

Ya it doesn't count talent. The mx is a bit outdated on dmg charts I think.

[peak cloud]

Shame about kingbreaker being meh though. Not sure if I have any relevant weapons that do not require stacking.

[subtle bluff]

Elmo is just reliable and always just works.
Strega is really only with the talent uptime.

[fervent bloom]

ok

[subtle bluff]

Posted one

[vestal shard]

hi what is the best way to get st elmo engine?

[subtle bluff]

Targeted loot

[vestal shard]

where can i farm that

[loud pine]

countdown

[vestal shard]

holy countdown is so tough

[urban latch]

what difficulty are you matchmaking on?

[tulip charm]

Well just matchmake in challenging

[craggy forge]

If I want to farm ceska chest, is it better to farm ceska pieces or chest pieces?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska

[craggy forge]

and glass cannon as talent y?

[rich lotus]

Any advice apart from a better chest plate and a coyote mask ? Don’t mind running the crusader shield but doing missions solo on heroic is a pain when I have to use armour kits constant don’t really want to sacrifice red mods

(My crit is 6 over that’s bugged idk I swapped a gear mod out for dmg instead and it didn’t change from 66)

[cerulean smelt]

probably modifier

[rich lotus]

Witch is good for healing I’m running assault link with the loaded up , the best kind of defense and a tier a day as my passives

Also are the prot from elite mods good for any builds I have a lot of 11% ones and 11.5% but they are starting to take up a lot of space 😂

[dreamy valve]

For glass cannon, pair it with Exodus you won’t regret it

[tulip charm]

Memento

[rich lotus]

Only started playing about a week or two ago how do I get that ?

You think it would be better than coyote ?

[tulip charm]

If you want survivability yes

[cerulean smelt]

provides better solo survivablity

[tulip charm]

Its the best solo backpack in the game

[tulip charm]

Just target farm backpacks in countdown

[rich lotus]

Oh shii that’s not bad so I could just run Stryker face instead of groupo then appreciate yall homies 🫶🏻🫶🏻

[tulip charm]

Yeah exactly

[cerulean smelt]

btw: if you like federal emergency bunker it has backpack loot (> <)

[solar berry]

🫡

The bunker from the fed

[rich lotus]

Yhhhhhh appreciate it I acc don’t mind that map cuz the stoner runs through the groups 😂😂😂appreciate yall im finna try out a catharsis build too till I get the memento bag but appreciate yall frrrrr still learning from this game gotta say its a step up from div 1😂

[umbral plinth]

Hi guys, probably the X time Someone asking this , so far all the vids i"ve seen on Lost Paradise is that you need a Myriad of Players and Builds to get around the Boss Wright, is there any Healer Build that is currently Meta ?

I was using Foundry Bulwark+Catharsis+Liberty and i"m litterally useless and Im more of a support player, so i would have to Grind a completly new Build, but just dont know which one

[subtle bluff]

Other than the first section the 3 dps should be on 4pc striker with chest and backpack and a acs12. For bosses using the Tech FI healer makes it easier for it to do.

No tank is ever needed. Only time we use a tank is one raid in one encounter.

[glacial isle]

im interested in trying my first incursion on division 2(pc btw) im just not sure if im the right level(284) or what, i currently am running 4 parts of the striker set(holster, kneepads, gloves, backpack) my mask is the coyote mask, along with the reviver hive, crusader shield, st elmo AR, lefty shotgun and gunner specialization, my build is pretty much a pure red

[umbral plinth]

Thank you i look into the Classic Tech FI healer build in the Spreadsheet posted here

[solar sable]

swap glass cannon to obliterate but overall you can do Incursion without issues

[subtle bluff]

I should have a guide there too

[glacial isle]

i wish i could, i had to swap an attribute on the vest

[subtle bluff]

After the 1st section you want Strikers chest. It'll make things easier.

[solar sable]

and that ↑

but yeah if you can get a ceska vest with an open talent slot then it'll be great for anything

[glacial isle]

sounds good, ima grind some more to try and get the same vest i have with the attribute i need already on there, then get another striker vest

[solar sable]

get a striker vest and a ceska holster tho, you could also use bloody knuckles instead of striker ones

[glacial isle]

sounds good, i just got the bloody knuckles a couple hours ago

[peak cloud]

Is it fine to run sharpshooter instead of technician for the spotter/flatline? Should also enable a companion backpack talent.

[raw marlin]

i need division 3

[cerulean smelt]

if that's the route you want to take go for it

[subtle bluff]

You can. It wouldn't be the recommended way to go.

[raw marlin]

ahhh

[peak cloud]

I see. It's just I am unhappy with maintaining vigilance.

[raw marlin]

goodbye see yaaa

[onyx sage]

i think you're more unhappy seeing it disabled than caring about it not up all the time. when it is up is not as noticeable

[onyx sage]

not an airport

[cerulean smelt]

funnily enough you can use the firewall shield or the other similar shield (non-firewall) to maintain vigilience

[onyx sage]

shields in general protect your vigilance, but like if you're trading shots literally all the time that's when vigilance is really not useful

but then if you trade shots all the time, you're probably dead by then

so there's a percentage of your time when you are not taking shots, and that time is significant enough, meaning vigilance is already doing its job well enough

tldr you're probably more annoyed at just seeing that vigi is disabled without considering that it's doing its job well when it is up

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much what i'm thinking as well, just threw in the shield bit as an FYI kind of thing

[cinder wedge]

i have a question are snipers and assault rifles a good thing to make a build around

also can you make a good build based around pistols

[cerulean smelt]

you can, but i feel you'll be half nerfed between the 2

snipers tends to want headshot damage, assault rifles aren't as good for headshot damage even though you can get the damage on them via 3rd attribute

[cinder wedge]

i use those 3 weapons a lot snipers for long range or mid ars for mid to close range mostly but i do use my berreta quite a bit for close or medium range as well

[peak cloud]

I guess I am too used to chainkiller playstyle. I should try a shield.

Getting back to automatic weapons is like playign a different game now.

[cerulean smelt]

only 1 pistol build comes to mind really and it's usually just chainkiller chest or a chest with headhunter talent on it mostly

[cinder wedge]

i love melting enemies with a pistol it makes me feel like john wick lol

[cinder wedge]

what's chainkiller?

[urban latch]

sniper builds in this game are revolve around the headhunter talent, which makes high base damage weapons increably strong. So on a sniper build if you want a close range option you could go for something like a M870 shotgun, or mid range a 1886 rifle.

AR builds are good, but seperate builds

[cerulean smelt]

named walker and haris chest gives perfect headhunter talent on it

[next island]

how to farm yaahl gear ?

i have striker set

also looking for backfire smg

[cerulean smelt]

buy it in clan vendor or dark zone vendors

or just live in dark zone and hope you get it

[cinder wedge]

what the most well rounded out of those three assault rifles, snipers or pistols for a glass cannon type build

[next island]

thanks for the adv

[cinder wedge]

i just want to shred things very quickly and does the ars or sniper I'm using matter very much

[next island]

i have the bullet king LMG (it restocks ammo on 100 hits to enemy

[cerulean smelt]

lexington, carbine 7 and st elmos are the 3 ar that can shoot like a laser beam

[onyx sage]

well rounded is AR

[cinder wedge]

i might go for an ar build then

[cinder wedge]

:D sounds fun

[cerulean smelt]

lexington can't get, but not sure if you were around when they were handing them out
so that leaves carbine 7 and st elmos

[cinder wedge]

if i made an ar build to shred guys could i use any ar and it would work or does it have to be a decent one?

[cerulean smelt]

any you like really
people just recommend Police M4, Famas, st elmos as they're high up on the damage side of things

[tired falcon]

almost any ar will work...you have to consider all the items that go in any given build: the weapons, gear, gear talents, skills used

For example I can and have used this build successfully

Socom mk16 primary with Optimist talent
M19something (I forget the exact name) smg as secondary
Memento
Belstone vest with Obliterate
rest True Patriot

3 blue, rest weapon dmg as core attribute

using the new Smart Cover skill offensive variant to buff damage

[hushed gorge]

will the Caretaker drop for me in countdown?
i got one from projects

[onyx sage]

no

[hushed gorge]

ahh,i thought i could gift one to my clanmates

[hushed gorge]

so its gone just like lexington right?

[onyx sage]

ye

[hushed gorge]

fok

[eager viper]

exclusive rewards like this is bad for the game.

[cerulean smelt]

like lexington and caretaker? probably

[subtle bluff]

Eh

[eager viper]

yea. should be away to get them. make the paint job on weapon excluive only

[subtle bluff]

Everyone has an opinion. None of them are OP and are a need to have.

[cerulean smelt]

shrugs techinically the hardcore minmaxers are the only ones suffering honestly

[subtle bluff]

Even then they're not BiS

[eager viper]

i dont suffer from fomo. but some people do.

[cerulean smelt]

your opinion says differently though because "it's bad for the game"

[eager viper]

it is.

i still dont suffer from fomo. im not chasing the caretaker. i could have had by now if i wanted it

[hearty owl]

People want the Caretaker 😂 😂

[zenith plover]

Is the huntsman any good??

[cerulean smelt]

it's a famas with perfect frenzy (lmg talent)

[jaunty igloo]

my current favourite gun

great for someone whose bored of st elmos imo (like me)

[cerulean smelt]

nods got it on my crit high end build atm

3 providence, fox's, contractor's, coyote's, huntsman and dark winter (> <)

[jaunty igloo]

im not going to say my build because it involves ninjabike...

[cerulean smelt]

if it's working for you why worry about getting shamed? i had a ninjabike build. 1 arcabuz, 2 palisades to see what i can do core wise to reach skill tier 6 before i decided to go for the 3 palisades and 2 arcabuz pieces

[near elm]

I'd like some guidance towards making my first build

[river rock]

Same! Played the game a lot, but never really paid much attention to builds and would like to learn 🙂

[jaunty igloo]

ye i know, i use it with ninjabike, 2 piece brazos for the mag size and striker

[subtle bluff]

IMO first build should be Strikers just to have since it can be use at all content levels.

[stray fossil]

Aite bet say less

[subtle bluff]

It’s very content creator dream gear to make builds. They all can be fun build but will never be top or anything special good.

[subtle bluff]

Here you go same with you @river rock

[river rock]

Thank you @subtle bluff

[white mural]

Hi all, returning player, what's the best way to pick up gear? I've looked at the sheet with a lot of info but it feels like info overload

[subtle bluff]

Countdown

I need to finish this start farm guide

[near elm]

For me its not about making the most effective or perfect build, it's about understanding how a 'build' needs to be constructed, what gear peices to use and what stats work well with specific peices

[white mural]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9

E.g., I found this - I take it I'd need to target stats and move them over to the build's main items?

[subtle bluff]

That’s fine. A good amount of how to do DPS is in the guide

[jaunty igloo]

same, its where the fun of this game is for me. Making a build that isn't meta work for you.

[fervent reef]

Ok so pretty much I'm running this build but I have pretty much, no health.... if I were to invest into health and a damage. Where should focus on?

[jaunty igloo]

also i think people skew too heavily towards the highest tier of content when talking about what builds are good

ninjabike allows you to make good hybrid builds which imo is ideal for playing solo, which is what i do most of the time

[near elm]

The thing is I don't have the knowledge or understanding to know how to make a build as I only have 83 hours in this game, I'm looking to learn or to spitball afew ideas with someone who does understand

[glad heart]

Everything you need to know is in the pinned spreadsheet in this channel

[subtle bluff]

the build guide pretty much explains it.

[tired falcon]

I've been using 3 brazos + catharsis, ninja backpack + 2 brazos, for making just for the LoLs hybrids; it's fun when they happen to work even in the toughest content...for example this is my legendary ninja build

3 striker
brazos vest with Obliterate
pecaro's holster with skill tier

St. Elmo primary, mg5 secondary with Steady Handed talent
decoy

Lately I've been using the new Smart Cover instead of the decoy. Even at skill tier 3 it gives a lot of damage buffs

[subtle bluff]

I mean the current thought meta is BF Hazpro

[jaunty igloo]

thats literally my build with huntsman instead of st elmos

[subtle bluff]

This NBB strikers brazos is and was a YouTube meta

All the content creators have dubbed it something

[jaunty igloo]

i never saw it on youtube tho

[subtle bluff]

It was like 3 seasons ago

But it pops up here and there. It’s nothing special. Cool more mag size and some skill tiers.

[solar sable]

it is

[subtle bluff]

I see it all the time in incursion and I have to carry them because there missing out on 125% more amp dmg.

[jaunty igloo]

?

[subtle bluff]

Anyways…. Again in solo play almost anything is viable. Is it good will it a wall once you start group and doing harder stuff 100%

[jaunty igloo]

well, being able to have a tier 6 shield while having 4 red cores is very nice

[subtle bluff]

But you’ve done good at mention it’s a fun build that’s all I care.

I just hate when people say these are amazing or better than normal/meta stuff. I really hate using meta but if people use I’ll use it I guess.

[jaunty igloo]

yeah, I know that. Any build has its limits in specific content.

[subtle bluff]

Meh doing more dmg is always nicer.

There’s better ways to do “Tech Tank”

[violet juniper]

Run Memento backpack and Heartbreaker

same principle as striker, but way more survivability

[subtle bluff]

Just need to have tech for laser pointer but yup

[subtle bluff]

The best is pointing you to the Pinned Message and there’s a Build Hub section with a bunch of builds.
Otherwise I’m gonna be typing too much.

[subtle bluff]

The point to them atm is getting striker set to grind CD with since it’ll work great in CD. But ya HB is great for the rest of it all.

[subtle bluff]

It doesn’t mean you did anything I’ve carried enough people that think they’re good with a bad build.

[cerulean smelt]

i get carried in everything i do (> <)

[jaunty igloo]

mate, why are you intentionally antagonizing people because you don't like their build? lol

[subtle bluff]

Just don’t like people giving out misinformation about using bad builds.

[jaunty igloo]

please point out the misinformation

[subtle bluff]

I hate find players that need help because they’ve been pointed in the wrong direction and people are trolls more than helpful people here.

[jaunty igloo]

all the guy said was he used it in legendary

[solar sable]

"this build does more damage than strikers most of the time"
-said someone one time

[subtle bluff]

Do you like to be heavy and not useful in a group sitting and just trolling the team without realizing it?

That’s what his build is. He doesn’t output any meaningful damage and isn’t tank

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say they do (> <)

[subtle bluff]

Just doing it sure but that doesn’t mean he did anything but be there.

Ads in 4man leggo have 25mill HP with his build isn’t doing much DPS at all. I can math out the DPS if I wanted to

[urban latch]

no its not lol

[stoic mirage]

Is the future initiative backpack and chest in the loot pool now?

Ive been away a while

[urban latch]

Yes, same with foundry

[stoic mirage]

Ok thanks

[subtle bluff]

Sorry YouTube/content/noobs/lazy meta.

[urban latch]

"""meta"""

[cerulean smelt]

what if they used meta to get a meta build? 🤔

[solar sable]

it needs more of those things "

[subtle bluff]

I hate you….. Respectfully

[urban latch]

""""""""""m"""e""""t"""a"""""""'"

[solar sable]

more

[cerulean smelt]

sorry i couldn't resist, i still call it facebook i don't care what people want to call it meta

[subtle bluff]

Ya I’m sitting at meta site working funny enough

[jaunty igloo]

pretty sure it is still called facebook, Meta is just the new name for the company

[fervent reef]

So... tell me this... if I make a build that focuses on Critical Hit Damage and Chance.... but I make my backpack and Vest towards armor... would I have a good build?

[cerulean smelt]

What backpack or chest provides ammo?

[fervent reef]

armor* sorry

[cerulean smelt]

Oh armor just for a tiny bit of survivability? Sure but you won't have as much damage as another perolson who skips the armor

[jaunty igloo]

do you mean having blue attributes (not core attribute) on chest and backpack? because that would heavily reduce your damage

[subtle bluff]

The core of any DPS build is crits so getting your CHC (Crit hit Chance) to around 54% then dump the rest into CHD (Crit hit Dmg) is the focus.

Core wise you can throw in blue or 2 if you’re not feeling comfortable with all red.

[fervent reef]

Man I wish there could be a way to share the my build but literally im doing this one...

[subtle bluff]

Phone discord.

Take a shot and post

[subtle bluff]

Change the chest to Ceska and the reason why is for more CHC.
Streamline doesn’t work when skill are deployed.

[tired falcon]

🤣 it's funny how you go from zero to salty in just a few seconds
All I said was I used it in a legendary and it worked. You are extrapolating things from it that I never actually said.
The thread of conversation was fun hybrids.
No where did anyone make any claims about a given build experiment being meta, equivalent to meta, or better than any meta.

[subtle bluff]

People poked me.

It’s just leggo comment I didn’t like

[fervent reef]

So far I can hit hard but the thing is that if Im 1 vs 1 on PVE in challenge mode. I can be taken down easily...

[subtle bluff]

Else wise you’re fine.

[subtle bluff]

Streamline is very strong. Just make sure your skills aren’t being used or on CD.

[tired falcon]

it must be one of the meta builds. 100% bonus to antagonizing others, get a buff to words per minute for chat messages 😛

speaking of the Streamline weapon talent, the description text doesn't mention deployed skills...so is it a bug (wrong description) or is the talent supposed to work when skills are deployed but not on cooldown?

[cerulean smelt]

PTS it worked with skills even shield deployed
live they included those skills in the Cooldown section (secret nerf)

[urban latch]

The point is this is the build advice channel. You can run whatever you want, but expect pushback from others if you start giving out bad advice

[subtle bluff]

Patch Notes look

[cerulean smelt]

nods if someone asks for a legendary build and you're like "i did this build for fun lol and it worked" people won't read that part of the comment and will try your build for it

[jaunty igloo]

I struggle to see how mentioning a build that works is bad advice🤣

[tired falcon]

in the specific thread of the conversation advice was not being asked for nor was it given out...we were just trading build experiments, so maybe at worst it belongs in different channel. No point going in full thought police mode

[cerulean smelt]

oh, i didn't bother looking in game but it reflects this as well?

[onyx sage]

nah, in game tooltip doesn't say

[cerulean smelt]

so in game still says "skills on cooldown"?

[onyx sage]

ye

[mental pivot]

Are you only able to change one part of an item? For example main talent/attribute/etc

[jaunty igloo]

ye

[subtle bluff]

To me the line is saying something that isn’t good is useable in leggo play and depending some group play.

[cerulean smelt]

like if i was going to run legendary and i'm leader and i see someone coming in with that build i'd probably kick them regardless
if not leader i'd probably "good luck o7" and leave group and requeue after awhile hoping i don't get put in the same group i just left

[jaunty igloo]

But it's your opinion that it's bad. That doesn't make it true.

[subtle bluff]

It's mathematical

[jaunty igloo]

you can disagree, but idk why you were acting like it was misinformation

[subtle bluff]

My advice is base of damage output.

Eithe your support build or dmg.

[tired falcon]

the root problem is assuming a given statement applies to "meta"; unless the statement explicitly says something akin to this is better than [fill in the blank] then I wouldn't make such an interpretation

[cerulean smelt]

new bros are coming in, they'll see that build and think someone said it works so shouldn't be a problem then go in and keep getting floored because they don't have the knowledge or skills to play such a build

[subtle bluff]

Again... Solo play I don't really care what's really shared to a degree.

[tired falcon]

I don't see how or why someone would make such a leap in logic....unless someone explicitly says this is better or equivalen to [fill in the blank] why would you think otherwise

[onyx sage]

why do newbies keep making youtuber builds?

[tired falcon]

wha'ts a youtuber build?

[onyx sage]

any random build on youtube

[jaunty igloo]

You mean literally any build in the game?

[onyx sage]

people would pick any build someone posts and then make it, no one has to say the build outperforms this or that for them to do that

[cerulean smelt]

it's always in the title right?
"This build shreds legendary!" poeple click and watch and see build and go collect it

[jaunty igloo]

please explain what the problem with that is? It is identical to if someone got build advice from here.

[onyx sage]

we have standards here

[subtle bluff]

There all click bait.

[cinder wedge]

i want to make a ar build based around the hunters ar :D

[subtle bluff]

Sorry 96% of them are click bait

[subtle bluff]

Strikers and HB both work.

[tired falcon]

haven't got that new item yet but I imagine it would work well with True Patriot gearset

[cinder wedge]

whats true patriot?

[subtle bluff]

This is a troll..

[cinder wedge]

strikers and HB?

[subtle bluff]

True patriot is bad.

[tired falcon]

lol

[subtle bluff]

Either gearset build work.

[cinder wedge]

also I'm still new to build crafting never got into it on ps4

i used to use true patriot simply because i loved the explosions :D

[cerulean smelt]

personally i'm thinking i need to try ninja, 3 patriot 2 arcabuz with that gun just to see if the rpm goes insane on it

[jaunty igloo]

I used it with true patriot, ninjabike, and 2 piece brazos for the most ammo. It's decent, the issue is that extra 6% dmg/rof isnt really worth it compared to using striker, which ultimatly gives you more of both of those stats

[cerulean smelt]

ah, good to know, i was jsut thinking RPM wise towards the end would it be like "why am i reloading, oh i'm empty" XD

[tired falcon]

ok I'l rephrase for the thought police out there

disclaimer: following is NOT an assertion or claim about being better than or equivalent to what is widely considered as "meta".  Consider this as only a fun experiment```
Using True Patriot with the huntsman (I think that's the name....could be wrong....it's the new named famas that's rewarded for taking down all the hunters in the Brooklyn dlc) and say Chatharsis or Memento would be a fun build

[subtle bluff]

Got it. If you go to the Pinned Messages on the top you'll find a Gdoc with a bunch of good info and a build hub.

[bleak briar]

Hey I've noticed im dying super fast, i don't actually have a build rn, i just got into the invasion thing, and im dying in like 3 or 4 hits. My current "build" is just skill cores, the riot shield, and that artificer hive
Is there something i should be doing?

[cinder wedge]

oki thx

[cinder wedge]

i was thinkin the shield breaker I'm planning on getting that gun sometime gonna finish the base story first

[tired falcon]

lol yeah that +80% mag size bonus....though using Umbra with brazos and ninja likely (unproven, just a guess) outputs greater sustained and burst dps

[bleak briar]

Oh i never die behind the shield, its only when i get hit

[cerulean smelt]

did the umbra yeah it screams

[hasty sluice]

Hunters ar?

[marble root]

hey guys, i wanted to finally make a true patriot build, and with an improvised holster, i have a 45% protection from elites, so how many red cores should i go, also is Catharsis or Memento better to run with TP?

rn im running a 2/5/1 split with memento

[hasty sluice]

Id day Memento if solo. Also the issue with TP is that its bugged. the explosion does damage based off your armor instead of the enemy.

[marble root]

ok ty

[cinder wedge]

shield breaker is the one you get if you kill the hunters you need the ivory key the gun is a f2000 i think

[jaunty igloo]

how long has that been a thing?

[hasty sluice]

TP can work as a support/Tank setup for a group. Its not the best but it exists and is kinda funny.

[hasty sluice]

awhile irrc

[marble root]

cause my idea was "oh TP gives extra mag size, Pakhan scales mag size, kappa chungus"

[tired falcon]

I consider the huntsman functionally more like an smg rather than an ar due to the high burst damage....so what I'm thinking is using the new Pahkan as primary, hunstman as secondary, and then some ridiculous combination of gear that provides magazine size buff

[hasty sluice]

true that is funny. Though the issue with that is phakan wants you to get the final hit with it.

[tired falcon]

it's always funny and satisfying to see the TP explosion take out other enemies...seen a few times where a chunga was frozen in place and the TP explosion took out a few others

[marble root]

yeah, also important to mention i almost never play on a team, only exception being countdown

i have no friends who play div 2

rip eagle bearer and ravenous builds, cant do raids and too bad for DZ (genuine skill issue)

[thorny solstice]

You are not missing out...

[jaunty igloo]

tbf TP has always been buggy as hell, they still haven't fixed the bug where it will only show 1 or 2 colors then blow up, or show 3 and not blow up. and thats been a thing since i stated playing in like 2021 or something

[marble root]

yeah but ravenous shoots funny

[cerulean smelt]

no no, they look great on the wall where they belong (> <)

[jaunty igloo]

Is ravenous the one to do with swapping shoulders?

[tired falcon]

Ravenous is okay....I hate how my aim on the screen gets messed up when I switch shooting sides....it kinda works well when used with that Breaking Point or Break Point gearset, whatever it's called...but it's always a pain to use, so I rarely use it even though it's damage output is pretty good

[tired falcon]

yes

[still gyro]

Umbra or striker for backfire haz pro build? What are upsides and downsides of both?

[subtle bluff]

Idk it’s fun for some and not for others. Murp

[cerulean smelt]

umbra you need cover to stick to for 1 set of stacks

[hasty sluice]

True seeing TP fireworks is so fun. Its just a shame that it works off the agents armor total instead of the target killed. Kinda ruins the magic. using a chunga to nuke adds would be so fun to see.

[solar berry]

umbra for burst dps, striker for constant high dps

[cerulean smelt]

i was hoping Oh Carol would've been a fun thing to run around with, but no matter what i do it's not that great

[hasty sluice]

lamo

[still gyro]

I assume they are pretty similar otherwise, biggest difference I assume is striker probably has more dps but umbra will have a little more survivability?

[tired falcon]

well with Oh Carol you can't put a good talent on it like Determined, so of course compared to typical sniper builds it's gonna suck

[cerulean smelt]

if, and that's a big IF, they don't put named items that don't have a perfect talent in the tinkerer mask the oh carol + determined might be a funny thing to run

[hasty sluice]

Big big if. Since it does say named.
pros - White death doesnt become uber meta
cons - yes

[solar berry]

Abridged mask don’t work with perfect talents but works with perfect stats on the weapon

[hasty sluice]

source?

[solar berry]

PTS testing

[subtle bluff]

When I have heal on incursions since I have a free main slot I throw the snowball thing and after boss his dead I go snowball ads heads.

[hasty sluice]

ok but that was pts

[solar berry]

PTS is always very close to final product

[cerulean smelt]

yes, streamline worked with shield and deployed skills in PTS live they altered it to deployed and skills on cool down. in game tooltip doesn't reflect this just skills on cool down

[marble root]

so you guys said that ravenous is complete wall fodder, but 1: why, and 2: is there any niche for it

[solar berry]

That was a bug with the talent

Ravenous don’t get used much. But it is a good overall weapon

[hasty sluice]

boss nuking.

thats uh yeah.

[marble root]

i see, cause i like the wonky firing, same with merciless, except that one is good

[solar berry]

Merciless used to be good

Not anymore.

[marble root]

damn, everything fun getting powercreeped

[hasty sluice]

Its not great but it still can be used sometimes.

[cerulean smelt]

i missed the "use it on warhounds" bit learned of it and go try and it was nerfed 😭

[solar berry]

Y1 version was fire 🔥

I swear every exotic was at its peak during Y1

[subtle bluff]

It only well on armor plated enemies.

[hasty sluice]

does the aoe dmage all the plates?

[solar berry]

Now they are stripped now basic bi- (not gonna say it) compared to its Y1 version

[strong cave]

Alright, build nerds. I need a solid Nego setup. I lost all my pieces to decon

[solar berry]

Decon got you

[subtle bluff]

I've told you mine.

[hasty sluice]

4pc nego, Ceska chest obl and exo gloves, gunner and bluescreen. His ^

[violet juniper]

4 PC with backpack

[strong cave]

Yeah imma be honest my brain is mush farming for days and days with shepherd levels, as well as farming Army term

[subtle bluff]

You can only stack off of armor plated.

[strong cave]

Can I go nuts and go Glass cannon?

Cuz I got a glass ceska collecting dust

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

[hasty sluice]

dont ask me lol. im only the messager.

[strong cave]

Bet. Coming right up... Eventually

[subtle bluff]

I have another maybe a dumb idea but I need to run it first.

[violet juniper]

Diamondback is fun on nego

[strong cave]

Can't be no dumber than my fully armor strikers + firewall shield + tardigrade + Elmo's

[subtle bluff]

I have to make a guide for it it's works too well.

[strong cave]

Works better as a component

[violet juniper]

L opinion

Diamondback is awesome

[strong cave]

Literally 1886 determined is better

[violet juniper]

1886 determined isn't drippy

[strong cave]

I will die on this hill

[subtle bluff]

Should of seen some of these silly support builds that worked on zoo.

[strong cave]

Nor is being locked to random targeting and distance

[hasty sluice]

all yellow strikers.

[violet juniper]

You don't even need to, it's just shoot anyone stupid enough to get close to you

[subtle bluff]

I'll do it don't tempt me.

[marble root]

holy lord let this man have salvation...WHAT ARE YOU ON?

[strong cave]

I got a yellow striker healer build with iron lung. Sit in cover, heal your boys, even comes with OC. Iron Lung for crowd control

[marble root]

I run this shit like the founding fathers intended

[violet juniper]

1886 determined is nowhere near as drippy as the silly looking snake rifle

[marble root]

smoothbore too

[strong cave]

Hunter's fury at that point

[hasty sluice]

Ok fr I died multiple times to a guy in dz running it. His oxi hurt... alot.

[marble root]

hit the dog 2 corners down instead of the home intruder

[violet juniper]

you may have spawned an idea

[strong cave]

Everyone... RUN

[subtle bluff]

Oh oh we've dubbed my wright skill repair, striker, 1shot build.

[violet juniper]

HHF with Diamondback : 🤭

[marble root]

okay so i never got an answer, whats a good core split for solo TP?

[strong cave]

None. Take strikers

[violet juniper]

All red

[marble root]

memento included

also, the duality of man

[strong cave]

Don't take memento... TP backpack buffs the talent... Still. Take strikers. Do your team a solid and do actual dps

[violet juniper]

True Pat is alright if you run TP pack with Pesti and all red

I used it in the Kelso master mission and somehow did the best out of the entire team

[strong cave]

In damage? Or dying?

[violet juniper]

Damage

[hasty sluice]

why striker for healing? Are you using the stacks in someway?

[marble root]

brother the question has solo in it💀

[violet juniper]

All red TP with backpack and Pesti will get you the best result

[strong cave]

Doesn't matter tbh. TP can only dream of being viable rn

[violet juniper]

or a measured Stoner. You need a high damage LMG

[hasty sluice]

they want to use phakan

[marble root]

now hypothetically, what if i use pakhan (when i get it), cause like...312 mag size

[violet juniper]

I'm gonna use HHF with Diamondback lmao

[strong cave]

I wanted to see how strikers would work in terms of doing damage + healing. Screw the crits, just use Iron Lung to light things on fire. It works in a weird way

[violet juniper]

I haven't tried Pakhan but go for it

[marble root]

i mean odds are ill get it in like a week, season level 13 rn

[hasty sluice]

could you hypothetically run it with dodge city?

[violet juniper]

I only used Pesti because the stacks on top of the debuff just feels right. You can use Iron Lung too

[marble root]

also whats the exotic armour piece

[violet juniper]

Doesn't DCH only work on pistols

[violet juniper]

for TP? Coyote

[marble root]

bet i got an almost perf coyote

[violet juniper]

for TP aim for at least 40-50% CHC

throw a ceska piece with obliterate in too

[strong cave]

If you don't want any skill haste.. sure? Mine runs BTSU gloves

[marble root]

might not be in the books for me, got an improvised holster for another protection from elites mod

[strong cave]

Isn't the point of doing crits to aim for near 55% CHC? If you ain't crittin' you ain't hittin'

[violet juniper]

eh... Not useful

[violet juniper]

TP. LMG. 55% might not be feasible

[marble root]

aight

[violet juniper]

honestly, the whole "you must hit 50% CHC" thing is BS

40% upwards is fine. Anything below that on DPS needs to definitely be changed

[strong cave]

It's not. MATHEMATICALLY the point of crit is to constantly crit. It's where your damage actually comes from. Don't believe me, keep your crits on a striker build at 40-49%. Then swap it to 55+. Watch the difference happen in front of your eyes.

[marble root]

yeah im at 40 without changing pack, gloves, kneepads to any crit

[strong cave]

This applies to all builds.

[violet juniper]

start optimising!

[violet juniper]

skill builds, tank builds, headshot builds, mortar builds, etc?

[strong cave]

Those aren't crit builds 🤦‍♀️ those are different categories. I'm talking all CRIT builds

[violet juniper]

I don't give a monkeys about maths that's when a game gets boring.

[marble root]

AGREED

[violet juniper]

it's a video game. You have to keep that clearly in mind lmao

[hasty sluice]

@marble root you could run this setup for the funny with + 80% mag size

[marble root]

let me run my dead edict in peace 😭

[violet juniper]

holy mag size

this with a frenzy Stoner is funny as hell lmao

[strong cave]

If you like the game taking forever, when it's already punishing enough with the grind, have fun I guess 🤷‍♀️ but don't be surprised when people tell you that you're giving niche build advice on inefficient builds

[violet juniper]

people who get stuffy about builds can kick rocks

[strong cave]

There's a big reason the community swears by these things.

[hasty sluice]

ok is there a more updated build maker? the one I use doesnt even have last seasons stuff.

[cerulean smelt]

the mx one? find the option to clear your database

[strong cave]

It's tested and true math. Also helps new players too. Giving bad build advice to newbies deters them away. Wouldn't it be better to recommend decent builds then actually allow them to experiment? Instead of giving out inefficient experimental builds? Part of it is your responsibility on this as a community member

[violet juniper]

Then why doesn't everyone run the exact same build with no variety because it's mathetically the best and there's no need for anything else?

because it's how games die. End of

[strong cave]

🤦‍♀️😂 I give up with you. You're like a brick wall lmao. Don't be surprised when you get kicked from CD

[violet juniper]

I'm consistently the highest DPS and kills player in CD lmao

[strong cave]

Cool, gold star for you ⭐

[violet juniper]

the only place when you should run the mathetically best build is in things like Incursion or Iron Horse

[strong cave]

Appreciate the Nego setup 🔥

[marble root]

324+1 magazine size

holy discount bullet king

[hasty sluice]

???

[violet juniper]

just run striker

[strong cave]

I do, smartass

[violet juniper]

it's mathetically better 🙂

[marble root]

can lmgs get mag size as an attribute?

[strong cave]

@subtle bluff get a load of this guy recommending 40 CHC 😂 scroll up

[violet juniper]

yes but it amounts to like 8 extra bullets

[hasty sluice]

#td2-build-advice message

[cerulean smelt]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MzC0CZQNlBGUAMjlNS9qBcacb7rATgmjhIBZz9qsCb7aGmdtm2FNxyAOZQ42AFYBUeLChJxkAqzpzEs9gqiL5HNSiA
this tool? find the option to clear it's database on your computer

[marble root]

holy gunner passive required

[hasty sluice]

ah found it. its from issues

[hasty sluice]

nah

[violet juniper]

my beloved

Doesn't get nearly enough love in builds

[marble root]

but what if

maybe

you run out of bullets

[strong cave]

That's because this is a mostly pvp item

[marble root]

you NEED gunner passive ammo gen

[violet juniper]

Pack another one of those big mags

[marble root]

exactly

[violet juniper]

i used it in my high end Bighorn build to abuse the ROF buff lol

[strong cave]

Just go umbra at that rate

[violet juniper]

isn't it a bit too fiddly for PvP?

[hasty sluice]

oh if you switch off the gun you just straight up delete like 300 rounds

[strong cave]

No, it's commonly used in pvp

[violet juniper]

damage decrease

[marble root]

double lexington aka DIVISION 1 META BABY LESSGOOOOO

[violet juniper]

I'm still scared of Div 1 DZ

[marble root]

div 1 DZ changed me man

[violet juniper]

I used Bullpup Alphabridge before they changed it

[marble root]

actually got me looking around like the hunters from the survival gamemode were hunting

[violet juniper]

I never really bothered with Survival

[strong cave]

Div 1 DZ rn: 💀

[marble root]

Div 1 DZ got me on that 1 mile long stare (i was 13 when it all began)

[strong cave]

It deletes rounds constantly. That's what makes this more of a pvp item. Only for the damage and rof buffs. Commonly used on umbra builds

[hasty sluice]

Classy striker: Boo!

[cerulean smelt]

i watched a farily recent div 2 DZ hacker video. guy spawns in instant manhunt status, youtubers runs up behind them and shoots them down
then the rest is the hacker killing the youtuber "ez hakutua" over and over again

[violet juniper]

Me with my Hunter's Faith Historian build

[marble root]

im gonna be deadass, whats the most non skill legendary cheese build?

[violet juniper]

HHF

with Thorn, not a pistol

[zenith plover]

Is HB viable for solo play? Cause im looking for a tanky/dps hybrid build

[violet juniper]

definitely

Run Memento and Technician spec with it

[marble root]

whats HHF, and whats thorn

[violet juniper]

Headhunters Fury

Thorn is a named shotgun, highest single target damage in game

[marble root]

oh right

[zenith plover]

How many blue and red cores should i run with this spec?

[violet juniper]

all red

[marble root]

i have one in inventory

[violet juniper]

Memento gives you a free armour core, but you can run another armour core if you feel a little squishy

[hasty sluice]

doesn't? most HHF run the 870 tac for the extra mods?

[violet juniper]

accuracy and mods. Thorn does do more damage

[zenith plover]

All right or should i go for strikers with some blue cores?

[violet juniper]

Striker will do more damage, HB gives more armour

Personal preference

[hasty sluice]

by far my fave way to run strikers is the a steelworks chestplate for the extra armor on kill. having 25% armor on kill (with gunner) is so comfy

[violet juniper]

if you want to be real bougie use the Mop with Brazen

extra 10% AoK lmao

[hasty sluice]

I would but the gun just doesnt hit for what it needs to.

[cerulean smelt]

or mop iwth preservation for extra armor on kill (> <)

[violet juniper]

try a DB with optimist

5 stacks in one shot is funny

[hasty sluice]

bro id use DB but the god awful reload bug

[violet juniper]

can't wait for Tinkerer mask so I can combine Brazen and optimist

omg. HHF with tinkerer so you get damage bonus from brazen, optimist, and headhunter

[hasty sluice]

pummle + brazen gaming.

free reload + dmg + damage

[violet juniper]

Optimist massively outdamages Pummel on DB

even outdamages Brazen, crazy as it sounds

[strong cave]

Then what will you do about your chest or backpack talent?

[violet juniper]

Chain killer chest, HF pack

not the best but you swap backpack for Tinkerer mask

[strong cave]

Goodbye backpack damage talents

[violet juniper]

You'll have to compare Vigilance buff to your second gun talent

[strong cave]

The math still isn't adding up, even if it's theoretical currently

Amp damage and weapon % DMG are 2 different things and they don't exactly stack together the same

[violet juniper]

I mean, losing Vigi when your theoretical max damage output is over 1000% damage isn't much of a loss

[hasty sluice]

ohyeah on DB but other shotguns are gonna be wacky

[onyx sage]

vigi is 1.25x that damage

[strong cave]

But it could mean the difference in 1 shotting a named enemy, or more up front damage

[violet juniper]

won't be using other shotguns, I'm doing this purely to make the DB broken

[onyx sage]

it doesn't matter how much you stacked hh, it is 1.25x

[strong cave]

PLEASE INTERVENE. This channel needs you

[hasty sluice]

is there any way to not have the agent take 5 business days to fire after reloading the DB

[strong cave]

We've all been saying this math ain't adding up

[onyx sage]

there's only 1 weapon talent that beats vigi for hh and that's brazen, but it requires shotguns

[violet juniper]

Which is what I'm talking about

[cerulean smelt]

2 ways

[violet juniper]

DB! Double Barrel Shotgun!

[strong cave]

They're trading a damage talent on a backpack for tinkerer mask on HHF. Using optimist and brazen

[onyx sage]

i'm ngl though, it does make sense. you're trading vigi for a weapon talent

[violet juniper]

I mean HHF rolls weapon handling and HSD on rolls so there's that. Other than the HF disorient on kill to cover your reload not really

[onyx sage]

the realistic difference here is you lose some weapon handling and hsd because tinkerer doesn't come with those

[cerulean smelt]

1.Exotic knees, think Ninja BIke where you do cover to cover or vault to reload your weapon. 2. precious smartcover you weapon swap to instantly fill you're ammo

[onyx sage]

yeah you basically said what i'm about to say

i need to think about it more to fully complete the comparison but at a glance your idea makes sense

[violet juniper]

I'm NGL this build only works if you use DB lol

[strong cave]

It makes sense but you trade so much up front damage for a second talent

[violet juniper]

otherwise you'd definitely lose at least some DPS

[violet juniper]

not with DB. The unique way it works with optimist is what makes the difference

[onyx sage]

it does trade first shot damage, and for some like me i run MMR on second slot, and this means i'm basically locked to shotgun only. in some encounters it makes sense

so for me that's 2 tradeoffs

[strong cave]

I know how optimist works on the double barrel. Im simply saying trading Vigi for a second talent doesn't seem worth it in an entire sense

[violet juniper]

It's not really a good build in any sense if we're being honest

[strong cave]

💀

[violet juniper]

I'm just trying to experiment with Tinkerer to spin a good build into a wacky one

[onyx sage]

nah i'm being frank here and say it genuinely makes sense

[wet gyro]

so there a resource to look at builds? my buds and I did the striker in all reds and got one shot in legendary mission today.

[onyx sage]

i would probably do brazen and pummel

[strong cave]

That's a better setup

[solar sable]

you ain't no frank

[onyx sage]

these are actually optimal for it, the problem isn't the build

[violet juniper]

you can run Regulus in your pistol slot if you want to fall back to basic HHF too

[onyx sage]

yeah i would definitely do that but it loses out on whatever tinkerer would've brought to my build

[strong cave]

Doesn't apply to exotics ^

[onyx sage]

using it would be a loss in this kinda hypothetical build

[violet juniper]

Use Orbit to add some crit spice to the super shotgun lmao

Wasn't there a shotgun in Div 1 that shot both barrels at once?

[strong cave]

Backup boomstick: 😢

[violet juniper]

oh my god imagine that with optimist

[strong cave]

Can't be named items

[tired falcon]

anyone tried using the new Catalyst mask with Ouroboros? On paper, never ending bonus armor....

[onyx sage]

but anyways i would probably do double m870

[strong cave]

Currently bugged

[violet juniper]

Where's your status effects coming from?

[onyx sage]

or m870 + spas-12

[strong cave]

Me with a KSG 😂

[violet juniper]

DB + ACS-12 for me

[cerulean smelt]

but what if they alter it to both weapons shares their talent with one another so dual shotguns you just swap to other and empty your clips?

[hasty sluice]

The reload bug im talking about*
the fact that there is a delay between when the rounds are loaded vs when you can fire. Like im spamming fire.

[violet juniper]

If it doesn't die in two shots, pull out the auto shotgun and blast away

[onyx sage]

yeah i've run into this a lot. the only real way to solve this is to reload cancel. it does take some practice but it makes it very consistent

reload cancel by swapping weapon then back

[hasty sluice]

ah

[onyx sage]

you can run into this with any single firing weapon

[violet juniper]

I had a cursed idea. HHF with Diamondback

[onyx sage]

this is not related to tinkerer right?

[violet juniper]

no

[onyx sage]

yeah i've thought about running diamondback with it too

[violet juniper]

Standard HHF but with Diamondback for that 20% amp shot

[tired falcon]

my choice would be to use the foam chem launcher, but the main idea is to intentionally rush those enemies that do status effects, ie the chungas

[violet juniper]

Don't need determined if you only hit headshots! 🤓

[violet juniper]

I'd say use Iron Lung instead

[onyx sage]

yeah i don't use determined anyways, it would be a nice breath of fresh air for me

[violet juniper]

or... OD backfire?

self bleed for 2 stacks, OD gives 1 stack for bleed

[onyx sage]

i've just been liking mmrs more than 1886 personally

[hasty sluice]

@violet juniper do you just run dttooc on db?

[violet juniper]

the cowboy novelty wears off after I miss a shot

[wet gyro]

we got one tapped by mobs, while hiding. you sure?

[violet juniper]

usually.

[onyx sage]

yes. it's all about positioning and killing before you're overwhelmed

[wet gyro]

sheeesh skills matter?

[violet juniper]

Yeah that's how legendary works. You have under a million armour, you need to press them before they get to you

[onyx sage]

yes

legendary actually tests your reaction time and awareness a lot

[wet gyro]

ok i clearly need to see capitol building then because it's wild

[onyx sage]

with experience you can learn spawns though

[hasty sluice]

and how you deal with drone/nade spam.

[wet gyro]

yeah we have no clue how to dael with it

[onyx sage]

position yourself correctly and they don't use them

[violet juniper]

Listen to this guy, he's an average player

[mental pivot]

The drones seem very annoying in Div2. The first game seemed to be mostly just the shotgun enemeis that were problematic on high difficulty

[onyx sage]

think about when you use drone/turret and how you have to see an enemy's hitbox in order to target them with your skills. it's the same principle but from the enemy perspective instead

[marble root]

My controller ass could never

[violet juniper]

Div 1 LMB shotgunners were terrifying

[wet gyro]

do you guys just have full red strikers, no armor?

[onyx sage]

if you position yourself correctly, they don't get to use these skills on you

[solar sable]

it ain't that hard tbh

[onyx sage]

yes, but imo if you're new you can put on some more armor

[tired falcon]

Yeah I just ran this Iron Lung build in capital legendary in a group, just for the LoLs
Catalyst
Liguid Engineer
Ongoing Directive
3 blue, 3 red
Iron Lung primary
Lud secondary

I was able to rush enemies most of the time, keeping up the bonus armor frequently. Don't think it would work solo though. Is still fun to use.

[violet juniper]

it's optimal, yes. I personally run Hunters Fury with Memento, but I like to be different and quirky

[onyx sage]

i would recommend watching toasteyxgod's legendary guides, he goes over builds and the strats but most importantly he goes over the actual encounters in real time so you can see his thought process and how some unexpected things happen

[wet gyro]

perf, that a youtuber/

[onyx sage]

he's a speedrunner

[tired falcon]

the new gearset Measure Armaments or whatever the name is, works great against those drones

[violet juniper]

unexpected being a shotgunner sneaking into your backline

[violet juniper]

Final Measure!

[onyx sage]

he approaches it from a new player perspective so it's not because he's a speedrunner that his guides won't be friendly to newcomers

but yeah legendary is meant to be very hard, dying is normal

[mental pivot]

Measured Assembly?

[violet juniper]

I've heard that set bugs out more often than it works, to be honest. Primary use just seems to be a slightly more fiddly hive overcharge build

[violet juniper]

oh that's the div 2 name.

[mental pivot]

Too many measures and protocols! 😛

[violet juniper]

my bad, they basically copy pasted the gear set from the first game into div 2 and gave it a different name lol

[cerulean smelt]

i'd believe it. think i've had times grenades landed near me while i'm in my smartcover radius and grenade blows up lol

[wet gyro]

cool, thanks for the help!

[violet juniper]

It works in Rainbow 6 because they can actually optimise correctly lmao

I wish the ADS was a skill in division, it'd be really cool

pop it down and it takes out grenades, drones, and electronics

[tired falcon]

to get the most out of it requires teamwork...the other players have to intentionally stay in the hive/smart cover area of effect; when the group is coordinated it's great...I think it's good, am going to do lots of build experiments with it.
I've been in group of randoms where there was zero coordination in the legendary mission (was dua I think) and the one guy running the set just kept following the group, timing when to drop/pick up his skills. I imagine it was annoying for him but we got the buffs sustained for long stretches of time

[cerulean smelt]

nods a lot of my runs i'd put a hive or smartcover in play people stand with shieild out shooting facepalm

[violet juniper]

it fulfills a role that doesn't have much importance I think. It's a cool ass idea, but a lot of what it does can be avoided by just being aware of your surroundings and not spraying bullets like a chimp

[mental pivot]

Maybe it's a little better for PVP?

[violet juniper]

it can probably counter mortar

[cerulean smelt]

just to be that extra annoying? 🤔

[violet juniper]

wait, does it counter mortar? Would be great for conflict if it did

[mental pivot]

One of the sets does. I think MA chest talent does

[cerulean smelt]

shrugs something that'd probably need testing

[mental pivot]

Or backpack

[violet juniper]

get one of the PvP guys on that lol

[hearty owl]

You can reset global oc cooldown w measured 🤫

[violet juniper]

you've just scarred my eyes whaet

[hearty owl]

😉

[cerulean smelt]

MA backpack is 1 sec for skills/grenades thing
chest is the overcharge cooldown

[violet juniper]

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT BANNER?

[hearty owl]

LOL

[violet juniper]

I'd say the backpack would be better

[marble root]

Idc what y’all say about my guns, it’s a 50 chc (either I crit or I don’t (it’s 21.7%))

[tired falcon]

yeah I've seen that many times...it's like dude how do you not see the deployed hive and smart cover??

[violet juniper]

then you can run tardigrade or something for team support

wait no, BTSU for hive

[violet juniper]

shoot bulet

[strong cave]

Measured assembly counters all skills, yes. It's cavalier's new contender. It's a niche build set tho and a FI healer or just cavalier would be better for team buffs. Measured relies on hive and smart cover and acts as a trophy system. Hardly anyone stays in cover on PC, let alone stays near a hive long enough

[mental pivot]

"While at Skill Tier 6, having at least one ally Agent in the range of your Hive or Smart Covers for 4s will grant Overcharge." ..... "Mortars and enemy skills that enter the range of your Hive/SC will be destroyed." Less with more people close to you

[violet juniper]

it's great if you run bunker type comps I'd say

[strong cave]

Chest and backpack near necessary on that set as well. You're basically a healer bot

[mental pivot]

Yes my hive has a very big area and players still will sit just outside it

[mental pivot]

I like healing but I struggle to deal any damage on enemies in challenging+

[marble root]

I wish measured procc’ed on myself entering the space, wanna do artificer hive and sniper turret build

[tired falcon]

I bet it's the same players in countdown that wastes 10 min because for some reason they can't tell that it's their session, only they can start it

[marble root]

But there’s no set that synergises with it

[strong cave]

I'd still argue future healer. Gives more damage buffs for the whole team. Killing fast = surviving. Also, @mental pivot , it's not meant for damage. It's basically meant to act as a trophy system. You'd be doing less as that than as a FI healer with setup bp + BTSU

[cerulean smelt]

that'd be me because i don't realize i'm the leader

[strong cave]

"start newbie" in chat usually works

[mental pivot]

I have the FI build right now exccept for BTSU. I think it's because I build the wrong stats. :x

[strong cave]

Spent half my day training newbies how to play CD. Was still like pulling teeth. Went to summit for my sanity back and efficiency

[violet juniper]

yeah FI is the strikers of support builds lol

[strong cave]

Everything repair skills

[marble root]

How do people struggle with this? Just matchmake instead of making a lobby

[mental pivot]

I have only played CD once. It seemed fun but very hectic?

[marble root]

Yeahhhh but it’s also the best exotic farm

[tired falcon]

have you tried:

thought police disclaimer: NOT a claim about or pertaining to anything remotely close to the topic of "meta"

Ninja backpack
3 Refactor
2 brazos including Pecaro's

striker drone and turret
Capacitor as primary

[violet juniper]

CD is like herding cats

away from the VIP objective.

[mental pivot]

The one I see says it should be turret damage/haste. Very confusing.

[strong cave]

You can thank endgame content being open to all players now. Instead of being a paywall thing

[marble root]

Oh right, they did do that

[strong cave]

For future initiative? It's for healing

[strong cave]

Please get this off my screen 🤢 refactor is a spit on the face to skill builds

[violet juniper]

Skill Repair/Haste for FI iirc

[cerulean smelt]

sounds amazing, Glass Cannon?

[violet juniper]

NBB! get the pitchforks

[strong cave]

Ninjabike asspack has no place in PvE

[violet juniper]

NBB striker 😃

[strong cave]

Have fun only doing .065% damage per stack without the backpack

It's known the striker backpack is the best DPS backpack in the game

[cerulean smelt]

worked well enough to help me decide to go the 3 palisades, 2 arcabuz route with a build

[tired falcon]

what if in group of 4 you have

• Future Initiative
• Refactor
• Measured Assembly
• Ongoing Directive

don't think you can get more synergized than that

[violet juniper]

I'll run a shotgun to make up for the DPS loss

it'll be fine!

[strong cave]

Good luck to you. I'll see you at the next checkpoint while I run the backpack as you're still building stacks with an ACS 12

[violet juniper]

ACS12? That's silly I'll use Cuelebre for the extra reload speed

[strong cave]

God help us all

[mental pivot]

Which location has the glove target loot at the moment? I do not find it.

[marble root]

“It’ll be fine”-ers when it won’t be fine

[violet juniper]

It'll be fine guys when they can't clear hard on their own

At least they're having fun, I don't judge

My first "build" was yellow true patriot lol

[strong cave]

That sounds about right

[violet juniper]

I was SHD 30

[tired falcon]

I've used glass canon, kinetic momentum, overwatch, obliterate...they all work, though of the bunch glass canon is the most hilarious....watching a chunga or warhound die near instantly from glass canon + capacitor + drone + turret at the same time.

[violet juniper]

This is what I use now. Just with Chatterbox instead of Lady Death

I wish Lady Death was good, but just can't use it. I run Chatterbox or Oreo depending on what situation I'm in

[tired ermine]

Can this be used with backfire or nah?

[violet juniper]

absolutely

[tired ermine]

Does it need any changes? Haz pro, etc?

[strong cave]

I wouldn't recommend that route but you can yes

[violet juniper]

Memento bonus armour takes care of the bleed

[strong cave]

SMG-9 would be better

[marble root]

They gotta buff pakhan, give it 1% weapon damage per bullet in mag

[strong cave]

Frenzy talent 💁‍♀️ optimist 💁‍♀️

[violet juniper]

that would be ridiculous

[bold leaf]

181% weapon damage buff is a great idea, yes 🫠

[strong cave]

Yeah let's revert nerf to streamline while we are at it 🤦‍♀️

[marble root]

Exactly, y’all should take notes

[violet juniper]

maybe 1% amp damage per 5 extra bullets in mag

[marble root]

This is where the fun begins

[strong cave]

It comes with 15% WD mod.. what more you all want?

[bold leaf]

181% weapon damage apparently

[marble root]

More bullets

[strong cave]

Glass cannon

[marble root]

I wish to cosplay heavy tf2 with tomislav

[tired falcon]

the hectic part is kind of the point, that and loot farming. To me it's still fun and good for build experiments. A lot of enemies surrounding you at all times.
You either kill fast or die fast, so the feedback loop is short, which makes the theory crafting fast.

The one downside are the noobs....for the love all things holy why people still waste time doing the VIP objective I'll never understand

[violet juniper]

the mag size build is gonna go crazy when Pakhan gives you 300% weapon damage

[marble root]

That or

[violet juniper]

This with Striker and you got the new meta

[bold leaf]

I'm gonna have to calculate that now

[tired falcon]

Pahkan doesn't give weapon damage, only magazine size buff.....the one lmg I want back from Div1 is the Hungry Hog...I think it's an m60 variant, anywya the talent is great, +10% damage bonus on each kill until you reload

[marble root]

1% rpm per bullet

[violet juniper]

so Frenzy on crack

[marble root]

Make gunner sig useless but actually

[violet juniper]

181% ROF increase is ridiculous

[marble root]

As it should

[violet juniper]

imagine that with Umbra

you'd empty a clip in less than a half second

[marble root]

No, 80% mag size build

[marble root]

Ala 324%

[subtle bluff]

Idk leaving it here for you all

[violet juniper]

We know what it does, we're spitballing

[subtle bluff]

Copy

[violet juniper]

OMG